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[00:16:53] <Polymorphism> https://www.reddit.com/r/hobbycnc/wiki/index
[00:16:57] <Polymorphism> found a massive list of cncs
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[00:29:31] <Duc> you still havent bought a cnc
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[00:30:46] <_methods> lol
[00:32:50] <Duc> he may be ina loop how do we fix this
[00:35:51] <unfy> damnit poly :D
[00:37:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.fearofstuff.com/humans/fear-of-making-decisions/
[00:38:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/decidophobia/symptoms/
[00:39:30] <CaptHindsight> Duc: an online intervention?
[00:40:14] <Duc> CaptHindsight: yep but not sure how to force someone to make a decision. Bad decisions are allowed
[00:40:41] <Jymmmm> Duc: needle under their fingernails
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[00:41:26] <CaptHindsight> they need to want help
[00:41:49] <Duc> or is he the owner of the company
[00:41:57] <Duc> companies
[00:42:22] <CaptHindsight> you can't make them change unless you are a school system or possibly prison/gulag
[00:44:30] <Duc> I need to go back to care bear training this is mean of me
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[05:43:20] <unfyhome> dragged wood & drawer slide machine inside, powered up the athlon system, wired up a single axis driver ... tested all 3 axis ... seems to work fine \o/
[05:46:01] <unfyhome> now to figure out how wanna build the driver enclosure
[05:46:42] <unfyhome> soooo very happy that the lil nema17's are more than powerful enough for the job. although the Z axis may be a diff story with a heavy ass router hanging on it
[05:47:02] <unfyhome> (i have room for attaching some springs to take some of the load off though ... by design ... woo heh)
[05:54:25] <Tecan> for a 0.5 mm drillbit what would the y.0xxx number be ?
[05:54:53] <Tecan> 0.145 ?
[06:01:10] <Tecan> aha its in inches, so 0.185 = 4.7 mm
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[07:01:44] <Deejay> moin
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[09:23:06] <XXCoder> boo
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[09:43:18] <Bushman> hi guys
[09:43:36] <Bushman> is it possible to enter more than one command per line in MDI?
[09:44:19] <XXCoder> im pretty sure you can do blah blah ; blah blah so on
[09:44:30] <XXCoder> not very certain though
[09:44:44] <Bushman> cool. gonna try it out and see if this syntax works
[09:51:22] <Bushman> nope... it's ignored
[09:51:25] <XXCoder> darn
[09:51:31] <Bushman> yea :(
[09:51:35] <XXCoder> odd though
[09:51:51] <XXCoder> most machines, even opretty old ones, allow insert more than one line before running.
[09:52:15] <Bushman> well, i can input more than one line and it buffers
[09:52:54] <XXCoder> oka trying to clear up what you mean by "command"
[09:53:10] <Bushman> ok:
[09:53:19] <Bushman> x100
[09:53:21] <Bushman> y10
[09:53:34] <Bushman> not x100 y10
[09:53:53] <XXCoder> h you want it to go to x100 THEN y10
[09:53:58] <Bushman> yes
[09:54:00] <XXCoder> nope that isnt a way in gcode
[09:54:10] <Bushman> i know it's not in gcode
[09:54:30] <Bushman> but what about putting more than one "g-code" line in one MDI line?
[09:54:59] <XXCoder> you menioned bufferin?
[09:55:57] <Bushman> well, i can manually enter more than one line by running each separately and they buffer untill the last one finishes
[09:56:13] <Bushman> but that still require me entering each and every line separately
[09:59:16] <archivist> have you tried g1x0 g1y1 on one line
[10:00:27] <archivist> might want to set exact stop mode so it does not attempt to round corners
[10:01:43] <Bushman> hmm... let me try this
[10:08:29] <Bushman> nope, two Gn don't work either :(
[10:09:02] <Bushman> i wonder if i can make a file with snippets and only invoke the sub program from MDI
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[10:23:09] <enleth> New servo drives arriving tomorrow, I have to whip up a 2kW 140VDC source somehow, wish me good luck
[10:23:32] <Bushman> :D
[10:23:53] <Bushman> enleth: good luck, don't die.
[10:23:54] <Bushman> :D
[10:24:43] <enleth> I do have two old US-made 5kW autotransformers
[10:25:05] <enleth> and a big box of huge ass capacitors
[10:25:37] <enleth> no high power diodes, but that's what big FETs are for anyway
[10:25:41] <enleth> it's going to be fun
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[10:31:20] <archivist> synchronous rectum fryer!
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[15:37:34] <ReadError> anyone have a good domestic aluminum source? (USA)
[15:37:52] <ReadError> Amazon is out and mcmaster wants like 85$ for something I paid 33 for ;/
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[15:38:51] <archivist> just go to a local metal stockist
[15:39:29] <ReadError> yea I dont have one of those
[15:41:52] <_methods> online metals?
[15:42:10] <_methods> http://www.onlinemetals.com/
[15:42:30] <_methods> metalsdepot.com
[15:42:45] <_methods> metalsupermarkets.com
[15:42:51] <mozmck> where in the USA doesn't have a metal supplier?
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[15:43:32] <_methods> and ebay too
[15:44:01] <ReadError> america is big
[15:44:15] <ReadError> not everyone is within a stones throw of a metal stockist
[15:45:13] <archivist> depends how hard you throw the stone :)
[15:45:14] <mozmck> just curious where? Every back country place I've seen has at least welding and machine shops.
[15:45:27] <ReadError> north GA
[15:45:49] <ReadError> with my work schedule its not easy to get to ATL during business hours
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[15:59:30] <CaptHindsight> http://metalsupermarkets.com/marietta/
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[16:03:56] <CaptHindsight> ReadError: more likely your problem is finding a supplier with evening or weekend hours
[16:04:09] <CaptHindsight> rare for metals and welding supply
[16:05:18] * Loetmichel2 has destroyed 2 USB thumbdrive casings today (stepped on them)... the chips are still fine, so it was good that i had a cnc mill and some 1/8" PMMA... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16224&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 ;-)
[16:06:23] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel2: the end is still unprotected from being stepped on
[16:06:30] <SpeedEvil> Sliding cover?
[16:07:36] <Loetmichel2> no, i dont need caps i have compresed air to blow any dirt out of the plugs
[16:09:04] <SpeedEvil> I mean the metal end is quite fragile and can exert a large lever arm against the PCB leading to failures in several ways beyond dust
[16:09:27] <Loetmichel2> thats why i made the perspex GRIP the plig
[16:09:29] <Loetmichel2> plug
[16:09:47] <Loetmichel2> the pcb inside is floating in any direction by about 0,2mm
[16:10:32] <Loetmichel2> so that there ISNT any force on the soldering joints
[16:10:40] <SpeedEvil> I mean if you support the edges, then stand on it
[16:11:31] <ssi> morn
[16:11:38] <SpeedEvil> ing ing ing
[16:11:49] <Loetmichel2> i have a few sticks that i simply shrinked into shrink tube when the plastic shell gave up.
[16:12:10] <Loetmichel2> that works well for short sticks but not so well for longer ones like thiese
[16:12:12] <Loetmichel2> these
[16:12:12] <ssi> ReadError: metal supermarket in marietta is your best bet
[16:12:18] <ssi> especially if you don't want huge quantity
[16:12:19] <Loetmichel2> to much forces
[16:13:09] <Loetmichel2> but i think i'll make some out of 4mm aluminium and drill an 1mm hole where the access led is. THAT should be indestructible
[16:13:15] <Loetmichel2> also i can make some caps then
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[16:49:19] <Tom_itx> ReadError, if you're willing to travel, here's a sampling of what is available here:
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/stock_index.php
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[16:55:21] <maxcnc> hi all
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[16:55:32] <maxcnc> a nice day in Germany no Rain
[16:59:13] <maxcnc> im so done for today lost a part after 1hr plasma in the last 4 gcode lanes Brrrr
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[17:00:01] <maxcnc> im off gn8
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[17:13:11] <pink_vampire> hi
[17:17:12] <Encapsulation> hi
[17:17:16] <Encapsulation> =D
[17:17:59] <pink_vampire> http://community.woodmagazine.com/t5/Info-Sharing/How-to-build-an-Easy-Shop-Table-Instructions-amp-Pictures/td-p/103272
[17:18:13] <pink_vampire> hi Encapsulation
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[17:45:57] <Encapsulation> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPPxJ3CMvHw
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[18:03:31] <Encapsulation> http://makewealthhistory.org/2014/09/27/building-of-the-week-wikihouse/
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[18:11:27] <TurBoss> Hi
[18:12:02] <TurBoss> I need to run 2 motors for the same axis but I was told that i need to use joints_axes branch
[18:12:19] <TurBoss> joints_axes12 has gentrivkins examples
[18:12:26] <TurBoss> but 13 only trivkins
[18:14:13] <TurBoss> I'm confussed :S
[18:14:14] <TurBoss> :P
[18:14:45] <TurBoss> the 2 motors run in the same position
[18:15:13] <TurBoss> so 0-1200 for one and 0-1200 for the other one
[18:15:25] <TurBoss> i'm planning to use 6i25+7i77
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[18:29:06] <Encapsulation> TurBoss, channel is dead during day, evening someone can help if not b4
[18:31:24] <TurBoss> ty
[18:31:40] <TurBoss> will try later
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[18:37:33] <Encapsulation> I need a cnc kit or machine with 4" z clearance 10"x 10"y travel capable of basic pcbs and clean engraving and routing of 2-4mm thick al panels
[18:37:56] <Encapsulation> the issue is the z clearance, the super cheap ebay machines only have 70mm max
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[18:40:58] <cpresser> TurBoss: you dont need JA branch. just use gantrykins
[18:41:54] <cpresser> TurBoss:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/gantrykins.9.html
[18:43:12] <PCW> if you dont need gantry homing just use trivkins and drive both axis from the same command
[18:45:12] <PCW> or try trivkins + the new gantry comp
[18:45:36] <TurBoss> ohhhmmmm
[18:45:37] <TurBoss> :D
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[18:46:46] <TurBoss> PCW garty homing?
[18:46:53] <TurBoss> *gantry
[18:51:49] <unfy> encapsulation: if you're a DIY kind of guy, building your own can be good fun (yes, i'm the process of doing so...)
[18:53:27] <PCW> yes as far as I know only the gantry comp really does gantry homing correctly (never increase racking)
[18:55:21] <TurBoss> well i don't hacve the machine yet but i'm collecting information
[18:55:33] <TurBoss> ty
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[19:07:16] <miss0r> yay - machine leveled. all axis working and assaigned the way they should. and my post processor is almost working.
[19:07:32] <miss0r> *note to self* never again try to write a mastercam post processor
[19:08:01] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[19:11:06] <pink_vampire> hi,
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[19:11:39] <pink_vampire> I want to build small table with a shelf underneath
[19:11:49] <miss0r> ... don't we all ;)
[19:11:52] <djdelorie> out of aluminum?
[19:11:57] <pink_vampire> no..
[19:12:00] <pink_vampire> wood,
[19:12:01] <djdelorie> foam?
[19:12:02] <_methods> out of fingernails
[19:12:04] <miss0r> styrofoam? :)
[19:12:12] <pink_vampire> 2 by 3 material.
[19:12:46] <djdelorie> I've built a few of those. Specs?
[19:12:53] <pink_vampire> the top plate should be 69cm X 48 cm
[19:13:13] <pink_vampire> hight 77 cm
[19:14:49] <djdelorie> Is your 2x3 cm or inches?
[19:15:20] <enleth> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Heidenhain-TNC-145-CS-with-monitor-/231899255791?hash=item35fe45d3ef:g:GakAAOSwZQxW4jAi - I'd buy that to upgrade the 131 I have now if I had spare $500
[19:15:46] <pink_vampire> http://www.lowes.com/pd_1030-10129-7407-96___?productId=1000016683&Ns=p_product_price|0&pl=1&Ntt=stud
[19:16:26] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: ^
[19:16:32] <enleth> fitting mesa will take some time, meanwhile I've gotten to like the TNC
[19:16:49] <djdelorie> do you have pocket screw tools?
[19:16:59] <pink_vampire> no.
[19:17:04] <pink_vampire> have the G0704
[19:17:45] <djdelorie> hold on, searching for a link...
[19:18:05] <pink_vampire> It need to hold 25KG
[19:18:28] <pink_vampire> about 50 lbs
[19:19:17] <djdelorie> http://macdotcnc.blogspot.com/2014/06/cnc-joinery-i.html
[19:19:52] <djdelorie> the basic pattern is like this:
http://www.delorie.com/wood/projects/craft-table/table.jpg
[19:20:18] <djdelorie> start with four legs, join in the four aprons (eight including the second shelf), place top and shelf on those
[19:20:19] <Encapsulation> unfy, I thought about that but it doesnt seem very economically viable and I'm also short on time
[19:20:49] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: I want to be able to take it apart..
[19:20:59] <djdelorie> then don't use glue :-)
[19:21:04] <pink_vampire> so no glue, just screws
[19:21:10] <djdelorie> no screws either
[19:21:13] <archivist> and expect it to wabble
[19:21:24] <archivist> taper pegs
[19:21:38] <pink_vampire> I need id stable..
[19:21:41] <pink_vampire> it*
[19:22:02] <djdelorie> use some 1x4 for the aprons to stiffen the legs, use cnc joinery to inlay them into the legs, and a few wood screws into those to keep them "in"
[19:22:17] <djdelorie> but if the fit is snug enough you won't need the screws
[19:23:01] <djdelorie> if you want to just use screws, either get a pocket screw setup or expect an ugly table :-)
[19:23:16] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: ugly is fine.
[19:23:28] <djdelorie> screw-only alternate: bevel the aprons 45 degrees and screw them to the outer faces of the four legs
[19:23:34] <pink_vampire> just for holding the anodize stuff..
[19:24:05] <djdelorie> for each shelf, two 1x4's screwed to the *inside* faces, supporting the shelf
[19:24:27] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure how to do it.
[19:24:49] <djdelorie> would you like a picture?
[19:25:07] <pink_vampire> let me to make a 3d model
[19:28:33] <unfy> Encapsulation: ah. time would prolly be the biggest constraint. economical is ... i dunno how much i have into my simple machine heh. sadly, i don't have any suggestions on cheap machines other than ebay/aliexpress/banggood and praying the one you find within budget & size isn't complete crap (for the light work you're describing they *should* be fine)
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[19:29:09] <unfy> and i have no idea if the shapeoko stuff is valid for you or not, i don't think it's got the z travel you were asking for
[19:29:27] <Encapsulation> I looked into it a bitm, was concerned about the z yeah
[19:29:30] <Encapsulation> also the z design
[19:29:41] <Encapsulation> the problemw ith the cheap ebay machines is most dont have the clearance
[19:29:45] <Encapsulation> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRO-1-5KW-3-AXIS-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-MACHINE-DRILLING-MILLING-6040-USA-/331787662821?hash=item4d4015f5e5:g:hpwAAOSwAKxWakwH
[19:29:46] <Encapsulation> this does
[19:29:57] <Encapsulation> but I'm worried about 1. the paint and 2. the white control box
[19:30:03] <Encapsulation> I only knopw the black box is ok, this white box is a mystery
[19:30:10] <Encapsulation> blue box sucks
[19:30:47] <djdelorie> http://www.delorie.com/tmp/simple-table.html
[19:33:09] <unfy> box looks like it should have the TB6560 (ebay search that and you'll understand), and some form of VFD driver (an ebay search for 'cnc spindle' should show you a few different vfd controller boards)
[19:34:12] <Encapsulation> sounds lioke that board sucks
[19:34:34] <Encapsulation> more research needed
[19:34:45] <unfy> the water cooling is.... i don't see any mention of a pump for it or anything
[19:34:57] <Loetmichel2> [evil scientist laughter] *MUHAHAHA* ITS ALIVE! [/evil scientist laughter] I have just resurrected my Dell streak 5 smartphone... that sat 2 years on the balcony plugged in and serving as an IPcam... and had a bootloop for tha last six months. The battery has doubled in volume tho, and quartered its capacity. A "reset to factory" did the trick tho to resurrect it ->
http://www.cyrom.org/pal
[19:34:57] <Loetmichel2> bum/main.php?g2_itemId=16227
[19:34:59] <unfy> the tb6560 is... well... at least it's cheap to replace heh
[19:35:35] <Encapsulation> I'm not the only one using old smartphones as ipcams xD
[19:35:45] <unfy> an ex coworker was as well heh
[19:36:02] <Encapsulation> unfy, problem is I'd essentially be paying for it. If Iwanted to upgrade it I may as well go for the better machine first
[19:36:37] <Encapsulation> 1300 vs 2500 for the omio x6-2200l and then I get 2.2kw spindle, flat hiwin linear rails, handheld remote, usb (which I like), AND a control box that is good to go
[19:36:45] <Encapsulation> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/
[19:37:58] <Encapsulation> seems like the increased cost is worth it, then I get tempted to spend the same price on a smaller machine 12x30x4" raptor mini (prices not listed on page):
http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[19:38:11] <Encapsulation> becauyse I know its probably better quality even iof a smnaller workspace
[19:38:16] <Encapsulation> then I get a DANGEROUS temptation
[19:38:18] <Encapsulation> to just say fuck itg
[19:38:35] <_methods> this guy just won't quit
[19:38:40] <Encapsulation> and spend $4000 on the 25x30"x7" work area xzero raptor
[19:38:40] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: I did basic model
[19:38:41] <Loetmichel2> unfy: the TB6560 is perfectly viable as a stepper controller
[19:38:52] <Encapsulation> Loetmichel2, you use TB6560 with good results?
[19:39:15] <Loetmichel2> ... as long as you NEVER have any unsure contact in the motor wires and stay away from its maximum voltage by at tleast 5 V
[19:39:24] <Loetmichel2> Encapsulation: yes
[19:39:34] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/vz4zelJ.png
[19:39:35] <Loetmichel2> i've blown about 10 or so
[19:39:36] <unfy> loet: i'm aware of that. and i'm also aware of some of it's limitations ... and the benefit that it's only like $50-$60 to replace.
[19:39:57] <Loetmichel2> but once you get your machine "settled" and everything wired permanently they live forever
[19:40:01] <pink_vampire> what do you think about it?
[19:40:21] <djdelorie> if your cnc can cut rectangular holes in the bottom shelf so it slides on the legs, sure
[19:40:24] <Loetmichel2> unfy its more like about $5 to replace the driver
[19:40:30] <Loetmichel2> if you can solder
[19:40:41] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: this is the easy part..
[19:41:16] <unfy> i suppose that's viable if it's just that one chip that blows. usually i fear a power / inductive spike like that taking out far more heh
[19:41:26] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure how to make the square frame
[19:41:36] <djdelorie> having the aprons butt against the legs results in a stiffer table than aprons screwed onto the faces, because the torque is spread over a longer distance
[19:41:41] <djdelorie> did you see the picture I posted for you?
[19:41:43] <unfy> (note, i'm fine with cheap gear if it's being used within it's "range")
[19:41:44] <Loetmichel2> unfy: like this?->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12554&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[19:42:34] <unfy> bubbly traces,yum yum
[19:42:40] <Loetmichel2> ... wanted to "jumpstart" a 32V2A smps that was too small for the 4 steppers... tried to wire two 12V 7A AGM batteries in parallel... accidentally swithced red and black ;)
[19:43:05] <Encapsulation> oops xD
[19:44:26] <Loetmichel2> all 4 driver chips instantly went "volcano"
[19:44:28] <Loetmichel2> ;-)
[19:44:43] <unfy> Encapsulation: you will always have price vs feature debate in the machine you go for. if money is a concern and the 2200 is within your price range - i see zero reason why you ever have issues with the machine
[19:45:49] <unfy> if it's beyond your price range, the $1200 ebay thing is possibly viable. round rails is kinda 'hmmm' - but it is at least ball screw and a spindle that will more than cover your task. I'd ask the seller about the water cooling / pump stuff first though
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[19:52:30] <Encapsulation> I have my own pump
[19:52:37] <Encapsulation> my main concern was the control box, sounds like it might be ok
[19:53:22] <Encapsulation> I like to get the most for my money and avoid diminishing returns, so if the x-6 is only 10% better, it's not worth it to me. and if the raptor is only 20% beyond 6040, probably not worth 3x the price
[19:53:31] <unfy> see if you can find other VFD controllers on ebay that have the same face plate as what's in the pic and cross reference from there :D
[19:53:38] <Encapsulation> good idea
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[19:54:19] <Encapsulation> http://www.workshopaddict.com/forum/attachments/machining-cnc-manual/13041d1424908072-30x60-cnc-router-assembly-build-dsc_0777.jpg
[19:54:41] <Encapsulation> unfy, do you think these raptor machines are that much better than the omio x6-2200l?
[19:55:01] <Encapsulation> omio x6-2200l 14x21x5" cutting area for $2500 shipped
[19:55:11] <_methods> changing your name to Encapsulation doesn't mean we aren't sick of the same questions over and over still
[19:55:11] <unfy> the linear glide rails of the x6 will be less hassle than the round rails in the ebay machine. the round ones need to have a few set screws tightend on the bearings themself to get them snug and such
[19:55:25] <Encapsulation> xzero raptor 12x30x5" is $2500 all said and done as well
[19:55:47] <unfy> Encapsulation: no opinion personally
[19:55:48] <Encapsulation> and a whopping $3800 for 25x30x7"
[19:56:40] <Encapsulation> I think its worth the extra for the omio over the ebay
[19:56:45] <Encapsulation> but its not as clear with the omio vs raptor
[19:56:49] <_methods> then buy it you moron
[19:56:52] <_methods> and STFU
[19:56:56] <Encapsulation> _methods,
[19:57:00] <Encapsulation> name the time and the place, or cut the shit
[19:57:04] <Encapsulation> I'm sick of your bitching
[19:57:09] <_methods> lol
[19:57:10] <Encapsulation> you add nothing with your waste of spacxe comments
[19:57:18] <_methods> you're sick of me.......
[19:57:21] <Encapsulation> yes
[19:57:26] <Encapsulation> all you do is talk shit and spam
[19:57:30] <Encapsulation> I'm having a discussion with someone
[19:57:33] <_methods> no
[19:57:35] <Encapsulation> and you interrupt it with that bullshit
[19:57:37] <Encapsulation> you add NOTHING
[19:57:37] <_methods> no
[19:57:40] <Encapsulation> you interfere with conversation
[19:57:45] <Encapsulation> you interfere with progress
[19:57:48] <_methods> there is no conversation clown
[19:57:53] <_methods> there is no progress
[19:57:57] <_methods> you ask the same shit over and over
[19:57:59] <Encapsulation> because of your shit
[19:58:05] <Encapsulation> and I've heard enough of it
[19:58:08] <_methods> so leave
[19:58:13] <Encapsulation> that would be you
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[19:58:18] <Encapsulation> I'm here having a legitimate discussion
[19:58:19] <_methods> no
[19:58:19] <Encapsulation> and you interrupt it
[19:58:21] <Encapsulation> how dare you
[19:58:21] <_methods> no
[19:58:22] <_methods> no
[19:58:26] <Encapsulation> you subhuman trash
[19:58:29] <_methods> lol
[19:58:33] <Encapsulation> oh I'm serious
[19:58:38] <Encapsulation> dont interrupt me again
[19:58:39] <_methods> i'm sure
[19:58:40] <Encapsulation> you fucking pleb
[19:58:50] <_methods> says the guy who's wife left him
[19:58:57] <Encapsulation> she wasnt my wife
[19:58:59] <Encapsulation> she was a whore
[19:59:02] <_methods> hahahha
[19:59:21] <Encapsulation> indeed
[19:59:52] <_methods> you're going to get booted if you keep this up
[19:59:57] <Encapsulation> and?
[20:00:03] <Encapsulation> I have 3 vps
[20:00:06] <Encapsulation> its no problem
[20:00:19] <Encapsulation> in fact, youll never even know who I am, untuil you realize ;)
[20:00:22] <_methods> so you're gonna keep comin in here and trolling then
[20:00:38] <Encapsulation> I'llk have as many productive discussions as it takes until my research is complete
[20:00:52] <_methods> so you do plan to keep trolling the room then
[20:00:56] <Encapsulation> I learned lots of new information in the last hour
[20:01:03] <Encapsulation> none of it came from you
[20:01:28] <djdelorie> will the two of you please take this to a private channel. The rest of us don't care
[20:03:19] <_methods> this isn't a private thing
[20:04:49] <djdelorie> remember that this is the linuxcnc channel, not the trash-talk-each-other channel
[20:04:59] <_methods> this isn't trash talk
[20:05:04] <Encapsulation> unfy, thanks for the advice so far. I'll consider the points you have made
[20:05:05] <_methods> i told him to stop with the questioning
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[20:05:14] <_methods> this has been going of for 3 weeks now
[20:06:19] <djdelorie> and you called him a moron and a clown, which is totally uncalled for
[20:06:33] * unfy facepalms
[20:07:54] <_methods> someone that asks the same question over and over for 3 weeks very much fits the definition of moron
[20:07:58] <djdelorie> and it's been going on for less than 2 weeks so far
[20:08:03] <_methods> i see no problem with referring to him as a moron
[20:08:16] <Encapsulation> of course you dont, you've been trolling since day 1
[20:08:50] <Encapsulation> and if you honestly believe its the same question, then you really need help.
[20:08:58] <unfy> 19-20 years on, good to see irc hasn't changed much :D
[20:09:02] <Encapsulation> any non-troll can see I'm legitimately trying to come to a conclusion here
[20:09:08] <Encapsulation> unfy, xD
[20:09:20] <Encapsulation> only 17 for me and I guess its always been this way
[20:11:03] <unfy> dj: gotta ask, did you draw the simple table thing right then and upload it btw ?
[20:11:07] <Lowridah> '
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[20:16:05] <Loetmichel2> Encapsulation: that attitude is not really making it easy for me to help you any more.
[20:16:22] <CaptHindsight> _methods:
http://www.fearofstuff.com/humans/fear-of-making-decisions/
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[20:16:28] <CaptHindsight> _methods:
http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/decidophobia/symptoms/
[20:16:28] <_methods> indeed
[20:16:41] <Encapsulation> Channel troll count increased to 2
[20:16:43] <Loetmichel2> You know, we have a somewhat filthy proverb in germany... "wer ficken will muss freundlich sein"...
[20:16:45] <_methods> and you're right djdelorie it's not been 3 full weeks
[20:16:48] <_methods> just 1 day short
[20:16:52] <Loetmichel2> translate that yourself please ;)
[20:16:59] <_methods> he started on the 3-24-16
[20:17:04] <_methods> http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc/2016-03-24.html
[20:17:08] <_methods> first he was inheritance
[20:17:11] <CaptHindsight> it's like the alcoholic or addict that is still in denial
[20:17:13] <_methods> then polymorphism
[20:17:19] <_methods> now he's encapsulation
[20:17:24] <Encapsulation> 3 tenets of OOP
[20:17:41] <djdelorie> unfy: paper and pen, then snapshot with a webcam. It's fastest.
[20:17:42] <_methods> 3 tenets of stupid
[20:17:46] <Encapsulation> xD
[20:17:52] <Encapsulation> as I said, a simple troll
[20:18:31] <CaptHindsight> I don' think that you know what a troll is
[20:18:38] <_methods> you ask the same question for 20 days and i'm to troll
[20:18:50] <Encapsulation> you're continuing to troll right now
[20:18:51] <djdelorie> _methods: 3-24 was 13 days ago, not 20
[20:18:52] <Encapsulation> as is capricorn_1
[20:18:55] <Encapsulation> CaptHindsight,
[20:19:07] <Encapsulation> and dj is correct about how long its been
[20:19:10] <CaptHindsight> Encapsulation: it's not trolling, it's pointing out a disorder
[20:19:16] <Encapsulation> its trolling.
[20:19:30] <CaptHindsight> you must be confused
[20:19:48] <Encapsulation> in fact
[20:19:50] <CaptHindsight> a disorder is not trolling either
[20:19:52] <Encapsulation> almost everything you say is utter nonsense
[20:19:56] <Encapsulation> lol
[20:20:01] <Encapsulation> I've been taking note
[20:20:08] <Encapsulation> there is sometimes a shred of useful information
[20:20:10] <Encapsulation> or seriousness
[20:20:17] <CaptHindsight> it's an illness, that you can get help for
[20:20:23] <Encapsulation> but its mostly jjust trash
[20:20:27] <unfy> dj: settle your whipping problem ?
[20:20:28] <Encapsulation> you should work on that
[20:20:33] <Encapsulation> so you can be a better person
[20:20:39] <pink_vampire> http://www.crateandbarrel.com/all-clad-asparagus-pot/s639351?b=1&a=1552&campaignid=206595536&adgroupid=13838805536&targetid=pla-76746415674&adpos=1o2&creative=44897458376&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CPW1vofr-ssCFcokhgodD5wGbA
[20:20:45] <djdelorie> unfy: no, I'll live with it. I just keep the IPS below the threshold
[20:20:54] <Encapsulation> THAT is a nice asparagus pot
[20:21:20] <djdelorie> "People who bought this item also bought"... I'm thinking "asparagus"
[20:21:21] <pink_vampire> no!
[20:21:27] <CaptHindsight> Encapsulation:
http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/decidophobia/online-test/
[20:21:35] <CaptHindsight> it is treatable
[20:21:36] <pink_vampire> that anodize pot
[20:21:44] <Encapsulation> more spam, zzz
[20:22:54] <pink_vampire> I need to get a permission from my wife..
[20:22:59] <Encapsulation> LOL
[20:23:07] <CaptHindsight> Encapsulation: there's help out there
[20:23:12] <Encapsulation> CaptHindsight, diaf
[20:23:39] <pink_vampire> Encapsulation: I'm the wife..
[20:23:52] <DaViruz> CaptHindsight: i'm trying to take the test but i can't decide on the answers..
[20:23:52] <DaViruz> :)
[20:23:53] <CaptHindsight> so shame in getting help
[20:23:58] <Encapsulation> pink_vampire, well then that should be no problem!
[20:24:00] <Encapsulation> lol
[20:24:02] <CaptHindsight> so/no
[20:24:27] <Encapsulation> you're a poor troll
[20:24:31] <Encapsulation> I've met much better
[20:24:47] <pink_vampire> :(:
[20:25:05] <Encapsulation> take that cloak off a second CaptHindsight
[20:25:06] <unfy> pink: bipolar emote ?
[20:25:09] <Encapsulation> you dont need it
[20:25:10] <Encapsulation> ;)
[20:25:27] <CaptHindsight> a troll is not defined as someone that you disagree with
[20:26:20] <unfy> anyway, i go back to working on this middle man protocol handler daemon thing here at work. gl.
[20:26:24] <Encapsulation> gl unfy
[20:26:29] <Encapsulation> thanks again!
[20:29:54] <pink_vampire> for boiling the part I need narrow and toll pot, or something like a saute?
[20:30:07] <pink_vampire> http://bestcookwarefinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/stainless-steel-saute-pan.jpg
[20:30:26] <pink_vampire> vs
[20:30:27] <pink_vampire> http://www.chefcentral.com/rsvp-endurance-asparagus-steamer.html?utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_content=search&utm_campaign=Shopping+Campaign&gclid=CPLDx4_s-ssCFdhahgodHCAI2g
[20:30:43] <Encapsulation> cant you find something at tyhe dollar store
[20:30:51] <Encapsulation> maybe not
[20:30:53] <Encapsulation> might be all plastic
[20:31:06] <Encapsulation> go to marshalls or tjmaxx
[20:31:17] <Encapsulation> or better yet walmart if its just for anodizing
[20:31:27] <pink_vampire> I can't use plastic for the boiling part.
[20:31:35] <pink_vampire> I know...
[20:31:40] <pink_vampire> but what shape?
[20:32:10] <Encapsulation> I dont see why it would matter if you can submerge it and bring the water to a boil
[20:32:29] <pink_vampire> narrow and toll, or low and wide?
[20:32:41] <Encapsulation> depends on your part thickness perhaps
[20:32:51] <pink_vampire> plate
[20:33:06] <Encapsulation> truth be told I dont know
[20:33:09] <Encapsulation> CaptHindsight, is the expert on this
[20:33:14] <djdelorie> low and wide if you can use two burners to heat it up faster
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[20:33:28] <Encapsulation> dj makes a good point
[20:33:38] <Encapsulation> how many parts do you have?
[20:33:43] <pink_vampire> one
[20:33:58] <Encapsulation> doesnt seem like time matters much then
[20:34:12] <pink_vampire> the anodize containers are narrow and tall
[20:34:30] <Encapsulation> deeper submersion
[20:34:34] <Encapsulation> less splashing or overflow chance perhaps
[20:34:36] <Encapsulation> not sure
[20:34:50] <Encapsulation> seems like there is no one answer, its going to depend on your specific needs
[20:37:08] <XXCoder> Encapsulation: yeah some is just art
[20:37:24] <CaptHindsight> have you noticed this nut in the channel that keeps changing his nick?
[20:37:54] <Encapsulation> I've noticed a little bitch desperate to troll
[20:38:22] <XXCoder> his, bitch. decide on gender man heh
[20:39:05] <Encapsulation> ...
[20:39:10] <Encapsulation> that statement made no sense
[20:39:16] <Encapsulation> my point stands
[20:39:27] <Encapsulation> you only make yourself look bad with that shit CaptHindsight
[20:39:44] <Encapsulation> when there is a totally unrelated discussion about anodizing occuring and you continue to troll
[20:39:56] <XXCoder> ah capt was talking about you
[20:40:23] <Encapsulation> indeed
[20:40:26] <Encapsulation> mostly all he does
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[20:40:52] <XXCoder> dunno what happened before so I dont care
[20:41:12] <Encapsulation> fair enough
[20:42:56] <Encapsulation> have you seen this guide pink_vampire
https://gordsgarage.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/the-full-monty-part-2/
[20:43:26] <Encapsulation> his results look quite nice
[20:43:29] <Encapsulation> perhaps just do what he does
[20:43:38] -!- Encapsulation was kicked from #linuxcnc by Jymmm!~jymmm@unaffiliated/jymmm [Please refrain from annoying or antagonizing the channel]
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[20:43:55] <Encapsulation> what?
[20:44:04] <Jymmm> Encapsulation Please refrain from annoying or antagonizing the channel
[20:44:13] <Encapsulation> I will continue to do so as I have been
[20:44:17] <Encapsulation> (refrain from such things)
[20:44:35] <Encapsulation> was I kicked for the link?
[20:44:42] <Encapsulation> pink_vampire, has been trying to figfure out boiling for anodize
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[20:47:24] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: he is fine
[20:47:38] <pink_vampire> he help me with my anodize setup.
[20:48:58] <pink_vampire> sorry that I've disappeared, I look at my kitchen for nice pot.
[20:49:18] <djdelorie> for *a* nice pot
[20:49:31] <jdh> some
[20:50:40] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: sorry that I've disappeared, I look at my kitchen for a nice pot.
[20:50:48] <Encapsulation> did you find one?
[20:51:08] <pink_vampire> yeah..
[20:51:34] <pink_vampire> buy only one with non stick
[20:52:20] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: go to dollar store
[20:52:26] <XXCoder> theres plenty of bins you can use
[20:52:37] <pink_vampire> I know
[20:52:53] <XXCoder> capt I think used cooler bucket for his anadozingf
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[20:54:28] <pink_vampire> it's too big for what I need
[20:54:35] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/DduFsOW.png
[20:55:33] <pink_vampire> one the empty side I want to put the electric stove with the pot
[20:55:49] <XXCoder> would crockpot work I wonder heh
[20:56:25] <pink_vampire> I have a crockpot (I hate to cook in it)
[20:56:42] <XXCoder> go to value vallage or something
[20:56:44] <pink_vampire> but it's not get to boiling,,
[20:56:46] <XXCoder> I bought a small one for 8 bucks
[20:57:32] <pink_vampire> http://www.target.com/p/elite-cuisine-single-cast-electric-burner-hot-plate-in-black/-/A-49124276?ref=tgt_adv_XS000000&AFID=google_pla_df&CPNG=&adgroup=&LID=0pgs&network=g&device=c&location=9004311&gclid=CMn3xKzz-ssCFYwkhgodvsAJbw
[20:58:00] <pink_vampire> I have something like that..
[20:58:27] <XXCoder> value village and stores like that usually has cheap pots
[20:58:47] <XXCoder> I dont recommand mixing kitchen and shop :)
[20:59:03] <pink_vampire> calphalon make very nice stuff
[20:59:55] <pink_vampire> worst case scenario I will get Pink / Blue / Red / colored food
[21:00:50] <pink_vampire> anyway the dye is not that toxic
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[21:01:40] <XXCoder> well later all
[21:02:02] <Encapsulation> ttyl
[21:02:05] <pink_vampire> engrave...
[21:04:16] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magnetic-Stir-Plate-/272178371744?hash=item3f5f185ca0:g:IV0AAOSwAuNW7cY3
[21:04:21] <pink_vampire> that cute
[21:06:32] <Encapsulation> pink_vampire,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0wRgdxSpmw
[21:06:32] <Encapsulation> =D
[21:06:49] <Deejay> gn8
[21:06:55] <Encapsulation> gn
[21:06:58] <pink_vampire> I know
[21:07:12] <Encapsulation> ok
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[21:07:36] <pink_vampire> but for 58$ you get it work fine
[21:07:46] <Encapsulation> true 58 is a cheap price really
[21:07:57] <Encapsulation> I'll bbl, going to drink beer now
[21:08:29] <pink_vampire> I never drink alcohol.
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[21:21:15] <pink_vampire> any idea for a filter for the sodium bisulfite?
[21:22:44] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ?
[21:27:10] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: ?
[21:27:16] <djdelorie> no idea
[21:28:04] <pink_vampire> fuel / oil filter will work?
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[21:50:29] <unfy> oh my god
[21:50:31] <unfy> the rage is real
[21:51:13] <unfy> i don't use clicky linux very much. i make a shell script and put it in the desktop folder. i can see it on the desktop in ubuntu
[21:51:26] <unfy> i can't seem to make ubuntu run it via clicky stuff
[21:52:06] <unfy> double click opents it in a window, right click doesn't show anything meaningful, using the search interface thing also only lets me edit it... etc
[21:52:08] <unfy> my rage is real
[21:52:22] <enleth> >linux >desktop >clicking
[21:52:25] <enleth> doing it wrong
[21:54:15] <unfy> i usually avoid X at all times, but in this instance, i have to work within graphical environment and make things graphic user friendly
[22:12:23] <enleth> unfy: dumb question: does the script have +x set?
[22:13:56] <unfy> yeah, it did. it's a nautilus file manager window manager whatever the fuck thing it is ... setting
[22:14:06] <unfy> to open them in an editor instead of running them etc
[22:14:22] <unfy> i found setting, and put 3 fingers into it until it cooperated
[22:14:30] * unfy 's still outright pissed about this
[22:14:41] <unfy> i understand that from a security / safety stand point... but my god
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[22:19:31] <TurBoss> Hi
[22:19:46] <TurBoss> I'm trying to open a gscreen glade file
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[22:19:52] <TurBoss> but i'm getting an error
[22:20:05] <TurBoss> gladevcp not abailable
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[22:21:11] <TurBoss> no catalog
[22:22:35] <JT-Shop> read the first part of the gladevcp manual about requirments
[22:23:04] <TurBoss> ok ty
[22:23:11] <TurBoss> sry
[22:23:33] <JT-Shop> If your running newer than Ubuntu 10.04 you have to do something special to open a gladevcp file
[22:24:37] <TurBoss> i'm on 15.10 simulator 2.8.0 pre
[22:24:53] <JT-Shop> you will need to install the older glade
[22:24:56] <TurBoss> this is my desktop
[22:25:01] <TurBoss> my machine runs 12.04
[22:25:14] <TurBoss> i'll investigate
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[22:27:54] <TurBoss> gscreen is not gtk3 based?
[22:27:57] <TurBoss> or i'm wrong
[22:29:10] <TurBoss> so
[22:29:41] <TurBoss> what is more modern gui? pyvcp or gscreen or i'm confussing thing?
[22:29:42] <TurBoss> xD
[22:38:18] <JT-Shop> pyvcp is a virtual control panel, gscreen is a GUI
[22:38:37] <JT-Shop> it's not the gui that's not modern it's upgrade hell from glade lol
[22:39:19] <TurBoss> ok ty
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[22:56:08] <TurBoss> gn
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[23:11:04] <andypugh> OK, so, why do I _sometimes_ get “unknown operation beginning with e” when running this G-code subroutine?
http://www.pastebin.ca/3455566
[23:13:21] <andypugh> In other news, a chap I know (LinuxCNC user) is pretty chuffed with this part he just made:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlPWFT73Qns
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[23:27:43] <alex4nder> hey
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[23:31:30] <andypugh> Hi
[23:31:44] <Duc> hello
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[23:38:37] * JT-Shop wonders what chuffed means..
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[23:41:32] <ssi> it's brit for "pleasantly satisfied"
[23:42:01] <JT-Shop> I would be too, it's nice looking
[23:42:08] <unfy> lies, it's a dirty sexual maneuver j/k
[23:45:34] <alex4nder> I'm about to start testing with 4.4.0-1-rt-amd64 from debian testing.. anyone know of any gotchas with that prebuilt kernel?
[23:47:06] <ssi> 4.4?
[23:47:09] <ssi> is that a kernel version?
[23:47:17] <alex4nder> yes, linux
[23:47:18] * ssi feels old holy shit
[23:48:07] <JT-Shop> yea, there seems to be some issues with latency with 4.4.x
[23:50:11] <CaptHindsight> alex4nder: what hardware will you be testing it on?
[23:51:07] <alex4nder> CaptHindsight: celeron 3205U and a mesa 7i76e
[23:52:28] <alex4nder> hmm, ok
[23:52:29] <CaptHindsight> alex4nder: lettuce know if there are any problems
[23:52:40] <alex4nder> will do
[23:54:18] <CaptHindsight> better than beer goggles
http://news.softpedia.com/news/samsung-receives-patent-for-smart-contact-lens-502652.shtml
