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[00:00:28] <malcom2073> Trailer bearings are the same principle, two angular bearings clamped together (bolt on one side, flange on the other) to support the shaft
[00:01:11] <malcom2073> Hmm, he's only got one
[00:01:13] <Frank__9> i thought the cage was more complex, but its just a bored pocket, with a shoulder right?
[00:01:28] <Frank__9> almost the same with the shafts
[00:01:42] <malcom2073> Looks like it, trying to figure out if it has one angle and one regular bearing, or two angle bearings
[00:02:08] <robin_sz> two angle bearings probably
[00:02:40] <malcom2073> Yeah, one for each side of the shoulder
[00:03:18] <Valen> robin_sz: yeah but I imagine that was enough for all your bearings?
[00:03:34] <robin_sz> yeah, plenty
[00:03:51] <Valen> so it was cheap ;-P
[00:03:56] <malcom2073> Frank__9:
http://s13.photobucket.com/user/esalsman/media/CNC%20Plasma%20Table/DSC_4670%20Small_zpsavbmztju.jpg.html
[00:03:57] <robin_sz> its about the size of a small tube of toothpaste
[00:04:03] <Frank__9> its wired because the pic of the 3 finished bearing cages look like they are different, some have top shoulder and some bottom??? the cad image looks like it has a bearing from the top and the bottom
[00:04:04] <malcom2073> Yep that black thing is a seal
[00:05:03] <Frank__9> the green thing in the last link is the seal right?
[00:05:04] <Frank__9> :D
[00:05:13] <Frank__9> excuse my noobiness
[00:05:15] <Frank__9> heh
[00:05:27] <malcom2073> Yep
[00:05:32] <Frank__9> those pics are your build?
[00:05:35] <Frank__9> i saw them around
[00:05:35] <malcom2073> Nope
[00:05:37] <Frank__9> lol
[00:05:38] <malcom2073> From that thread
[00:05:51] <malcom2073> brb
[00:06:59] <Valen> I want to put these up in places now
http://imgur.com/gallery/ncKFR
[00:08:01] <Frank__9> thanks again!
[00:08:25] <Simonious> When I swapped the bit I bumped the router so that home is no longer home.. mistakes were made.. I do have a nice hole in the part that I could use for alignment, but.. it's the starting point of the cut, not the home. What I would like to do is start the cut, pause the cut - somehow align the too with the existing hole w/o linuxCNC tracking the position change - and then resume the, now correctly aligned, cut. - I'm
[00:09:48] <enleth> Valen: well I had it at 2500 or so, 10mm HSS two flute mill, hand cranking to get a feel for the material, some quality mild steel
[00:10:22] <enleth> the chips were uniform indigo and one gave me a noticeable burn on the neck
[00:10:43] <Simonious> I certainly can reface the the blank and start over, thickness doesn't matter here, but I lose a lot of time that way.
[00:10:57] <enleth> cutting action was really nice, but chips were flying high and fast
[00:11:46] <enleth> a mag base shield just got in the list of things I could use
[00:12:48] <cradek> don't forget to consider that some cutting directions throw the chips AT you and some throw them away from you
[00:14:05] <robin_sz> lol, is that the test then? how well wo they burn your neck? ;)
[00:14:59] <robin_sz> I get that on the router, with a stream of aluminium chips coming off, they are hot as hell if they go down yuor collar
[00:15:16] <enleth> tbh I did not expect them to fly this high, although I did crank pretty fast
[00:15:25] <robin_sz> faster is always better
[00:15:52] <robin_sz> you need to aim for around .003" chips I guess
[00:16:04] <robin_sz> how many rpm?
[00:16:45] <robin_sz> oh 2500 and a 2 flute
[00:16:52] <enleth> I may have been going at 400mm/min with 2500rpm, half mill width in the material, cutting from the side
[00:17:02] <robin_sz> thats about right
[00:17:16] <robin_sz> 5000 chips per minute
[00:17:18] <robin_sz> .003"
[00:17:20] <enleth> climb cutting I might add
[00:17:23] <robin_sz> = 15"
[00:17:38] <robin_sz> 15" is very close to 400mm, so yeah, good feed
[00:18:18] <enleth> that's a bit less than two crank turns a second on my mill, easy to keep that pace
[00:18:56] <robin_sz> i run bigger chips in ally, 18K rpm, single flute and about 2000 to 2200 mm a minute
[00:19:22] <enleth> next time I'll just get the full face mask and a leather jacket, screw the chips
[00:19:32] <robin_sz> yep, and a scarf!
[00:23:01] <robin_sz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3hm56qwdsu03cms/DSC_0239.jpg?dl=0
[00:23:13] <robin_sz> 2U front panels out of 6mm 5083
[00:23:38] <robin_sz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kwf6fj943s9l66m/DSC_1671.jpg?dl=0
[00:23:48] <robin_sz> very pleased with the router under EMC now
[00:24:13] <robin_sz> just the retract-when-paused to solve
[00:24:56] <cradek> there's a component that does that now
[00:25:05] <robin_sz> there is?
[00:25:05] <enleth> some "ripple" on the sides
[00:25:18] <robin_sz> enleth, on a couple yes
[00:25:51] <robin_sz> its only 10mm across and 300mm long that side strip
[00:25:57] <robin_sz> so its largely unsupported
[00:26:52] <robin_sz> cradek, different to the example I saw in the err .. examples
[00:27:37] <robin_sz> there is a jog while-paused example that retracts .. thats what I was looking at
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[00:29:50] <robin_sz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/awwkhioi83r634t/DSC_1670.jpg?dl=0
[00:32:39] <PCW> os1r1s: if you have differential inputs on your drive ( +- step/dir inputs) you should wire them to the 7I76s differential outputs
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[00:45:43] <tiwake> Valen, DaViruz: after the heatlamp has been on it for a while (about an hour+ now) it seems to be thickening up
[00:45:47] <tiwake> :3
[00:45:59] <tiwake> most of it dripped out though... oh well
[00:46:44] <tiwake> first fiberglass job anyway, so I have an excuse XD
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[00:52:27] <Valen> yeah, catalyst ratio is very important, as is cleaning prep, and very thorough mixing
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[01:25:03] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: what is the catalyst? MEKP?
[01:25:26] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: is this polyester resin?
[01:32:00] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: I don't know how to tell?
[01:32:16] <jdh> does it smell like polyester?
[01:32:36] <tiwake> it smells like a chemical I shouldent breathe
[01:33:22] <tiwake> CaptHindsight:
http://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/p/BK_7651281 is what I have
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[01:40:04] <Valen> that sounds like mekp lol
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[01:42:38] <Frank__9> guys, i was wondering if someone could tell me if my idea is stupid, i want to do this:
http://i.imgur.com/FIpvheD.png with this,
http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-610744673-punta-de-eje-trailer-y-masa-fiat-renault-chevrolet-o-vw-_JM :D i understand its kind of the same thingy, i should only get the second link images shaft a little more skinny
[01:44:14] <malcom2073> Frank__9: You could do that, though for that price you should machine your own heh
[01:44:53] <Frank__9> u have to divide that number by 15!
[01:45:08] <Frank__9> its like 40 bucks
[01:45:11] <Frank__9> us dollars
[01:45:16] <malcom2073> Wait, does that have one, or two bearings?
[01:45:43] <Frank__9> i think it has one, but with the size of two
[01:47:05] <Frank__9> actually i see two, but butted up
[01:47:24] <malcom2073> I mean the concept is the same
[01:47:29] <malcom2073> Or at least very similar
[01:48:15] <Frank__9> yes, the difference would be that the cad image has two shoulders, the other one looks like it has only 1,
[01:48:35] <malcom2073> I think the other shoulder is underneath the flange
[01:49:06] <malcom2073> It's gotta have two to pinch between the bearings
[01:52:00] <Frank__9> wired
[01:56:12] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: Valen yeah, that hardener is MEKP for the unsaturated polyester resin thinned with styrene
[01:57:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-Bondo-118-oz-Fiberglass-Resin-0404/205798046 $36/gal at Home Depot
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[02:10:14] <gregcnc> enleth
https://www.instagram.com/p/BDUFCxGBjMl/
[02:11:43] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: the nearest home depot is 1.5 hour drive away
[02:11:57] <tiwake> same distance for costco and walmart
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[02:18:38] <Inheritance> what kind of mill would be required for cutting 1-4mm aluminum plate?
[02:19:06] <Inheritance> I'm trying to cut custom electronic project enclosure panels
[02:21:45] <os1r1s> Inheritance What width/length
[02:21:46] <os1r1s> ?
[02:22:16] <Inheritance> about 12x12" max
[02:22:27] <Inheritance> most enclosures are 8x8 or less
[02:22:47] <Inheritance> they are those premade anodized extruded aluminum project boxes
[02:22:56] <Inheritance> I want to custom cut rectangular and odd shaped holes
[02:23:07] <Inheritance> I had terrible results by hand so now I'm looking into cnc options
[02:23:16] <Inheritance> I was recommdned this
http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm but it looks like way more thasn i need
[02:23:30] <Inheritance> I see chinese "engraving machines" for around 500, not sure if they would do it
[02:23:53] <Inheritance> and I do like the diy option, but I'm afraid it would take too much time away from protoyping and production
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[02:30:51] <djdelorie> Inheritance: have you looked at the options at openbuilds.com ?
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[02:33:00] <Inheritance> djdelorie, no, I will look there
[02:38:55] <Inheritance> im sold
[02:39:02] <Inheritance> I want a cnc
[02:39:22] <djdelorie> feed the addiction... :-)
[02:39:55] <robin_sz> so the spindle config in the .inifile ....
[02:40:20] <robin_sz> MAX_OUTPUT = 10000.0
[02:40:20] <robin_sz> OUTPUT_SCALE = 24000
[02:40:20] <robin_sz> OUTPUT_MIN_LIMIT = -24000
[02:40:20] <robin_sz> OUTPUT_MAX_LIMIT = 24000
[02:40:46] <robin_sz> does that look right for a drive doing 10V in = 24k rpm out?
[02:41:27] <Inheritance> https://www.amphenolcanada.com/ProductSearch/drawings/AC/MUSBD511XX.pdf
[02:41:31] <Inheritance> this is the type of cutout I need to do
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[02:45:46] <Inheritance> what do people in here think of machines like hte nomad 883?
[02:47:43] <pink_vampire> someone use them here for pcb?
[02:47:44] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-3-175mm-Carbide-PCB-Engraving-Bits-CNC-Router-Tool-10-Degree-0-3mm-10pcs-/190881923588?hash=item2c71730204:g:JgUAAOxyF81SAgT3
[02:48:16] <Inheritance> ?
[02:48:20] <Inheritance> someone here uses the 883 for pcb?
[02:49:18] <pink_vampire> Inheritance: what is 883??
[02:49:48] <Inheritance> http://carbide3d.com/nomad/
[02:49:57] <Inheritance> price just seems high and work area I would like 12x12....
[02:50:01] <Inheritance> 8x8 a little bit small
[02:50:55] <pink_vampire> what engraving bit it recommended for low speed spindle for pcb making?
[02:52:02] <Inheritance> http://community.carbide3d.com/t/great-results-milling-pcbs-from-eagle-with-the-nomad/283
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[02:52:07] <Inheritance> perhaps that helps you pink_vampire
[02:52:40] <CaptHindsight> Inheritance: the Chinese routers are just more poorly made versions
[02:52:58] <CaptHindsight> how poor depends on the source and the day it was assembled
[02:53:07] <Inheritance> would they be a waste of money at 500?
[02:53:10] <Inheritance> or would they do what I need
[02:53:33] <CaptHindsight> depends I rework them and they perform ok
[02:53:46] <Inheritance> 1-4mm aluminum no problem?
[02:53:50] <CaptHindsight> others have gotten lucky and they were ok out of the box
[02:53:54] <Inheritance> https://www.amphenolcanada.com/ProductSearch/drawings/AC/MUSBD511XX.pdf
[02:54:00] <Inheritance> thats the most complicated type of cut
[02:54:24] <Inheritance> http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1PvLLIXXXXXbeXVXXq6xXFXXXw/Split-body-font-b-Extruded-b-font-font-b-Aluminum-b-font-font-b-Box-b.jpg
[02:54:26] <CaptHindsight> others have gotten crunchy bearings and 3-4mm of lash
[02:54:28] <Inheritance> in that type of enclosure
[02:54:35] <Inheritance> hmm
[02:55:25] <CaptHindsight> if you get lucky then it will be ok for engraving or machining aluminum slowly
[02:55:40] <CaptHindsight> if you get junk then you'll have to rebuild it to make it work well
[02:55:53] <Inheritance> that doesnt sound too good
[02:56:10] <Inheritance> what about the DIY route? or other options
[02:56:15] <CaptHindsight> so do yah feel lucky?
[02:56:19] <Inheritance> not really
[02:56:22] <Inheritance> this is for production of products
[02:56:24] <Inheritance> in house
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[02:56:30] <Inheritance> small batch specialty stuff
[02:56:39] <Inheritance> I'm starting a business
[02:56:48] <pink_vampire> www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-10-Pcs-Carbide-End-Mill-Engraving-Bits-for-CNC-PCB-Cutter-Rotary-Burrs-1-2mm-/311558952410?hash=item488a5c55da:g:h8cAAOSwWTRW2AWR
[02:56:56] <CaptHindsight> diy depends on your budget and your mechanical engineering skills
[02:56:56] <pink_vampire> how something like that?
[02:57:50] <CaptHindsight> since you're new to this I'd suggest spending more money on something with a warranty and guarantee
[02:58:06] <Inheritance> my computer and electronic skills are strong
[02:58:14] <Inheritance> mechanical engineering and patience not so great
[02:58:56] <Inheritance> most of all, I'm worried diy would end up taking so much of my time I hve no time left for producing anything between work and school and the cnc build
[02:59:05] <CaptHindsight> your mechanical-fu is weak
[02:59:44] <CaptHindsight> do not focus on the moon or you will miss all the heavenly glory
[03:00:03] <Inheritance> how do people here feel about shapeoko 3
[03:00:10] <Inheritance> or carvey
[03:00:13] <Inheritance> nomaqd 883
[03:00:17] * Jymmm moons...
[03:00:23] <Inheritance> xzero raptor
[03:00:35] <Inheritance> http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[03:00:41] <Inheritance> most expensive by far
[03:00:44] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: full or waxing gibbous
[03:00:52] <Inheritance> I could makie my own guitars as a bonus though
[03:00:53] <Jymmm> lol
[03:00:55] <Inheritance> sell them on ebay
[03:01:35] <pink_vampire> what is the recommended ball end mill for 3d machining?
[03:01:38] <pink_vampire> ^
[03:02:20] <pink_vampire> 2 flute or 4flute?
[03:02:31] <pink_vampire> 1/8" it's ok??
[03:03:53] <CaptHindsight> flute symphony
[03:04:28] <pink_vampire> ?
[03:04:29] <tylerc> I have a question regarding latency-test freezing my system. Am I in the right place?
[03:05:19] <tylerc> I have a homemade CNC mill/router that has been running on 2.6.3 for a long time. I went to upgrade it, and I can't get latency-test on the new version to not freeze the system. Same PC. I've installed from the CD. Single CPU AMD system. I just don't know well enough what has changed to know what to look for.
[03:05:27] <CaptHindsight> tylerc: yup
[03:06:13] <tylerc> tried latency-test 100ns 10ms (I think this changes the base period to something less frequent to see if it's just overloaded)... still freezes.
[03:06:50] <tylerc> takes a second or two before it freezes the system.
[03:06:50] <CaptHindsight> tylerc: how old is the CPU?
[03:07:00] <tylerc> Very... :(
[03:07:19] <tylerc> I can replace it if thats likely to help. Just don't want to replace it and find I'm in the same boat.
[03:07:26] <CaptHindsight> so no issues with 2.6.3?
[03:07:31] <pink_vampire> someone can help me??
[03:07:43] <pink_vampire> I want to close the order.
[03:07:48] <CaptHindsight> only happened when you updated towhat?
[03:08:17] <tylerc> Very rare (once a day or so) unexpected long latency. but otherwise, no issues.
[03:08:24] <tylerc> I'll check the version... sec...
[03:08:45] <tylerc> linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy
[03:09:11] <CaptHindsight> the updated systems runs fine until you run the latency test?
[03:09:24] <tylerc> pink_vampire: would depend on the material your machining.
[03:09:33] <pink_vampire> aluminum.
[03:09:37] <pink_vampire> steel.
[03:09:38] <CaptHindsight> 2 flute
[03:09:41] <pink_vampire> brass
[03:09:45] <CaptHindsight> 4 for steel
[03:09:56] <CaptHindsight> next question please
[03:09:59] <pink_vampire> what diameter?
[03:10:08] <tylerc> System seems to operate fine until I run the test.
[03:10:21] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: for 3d machining.
[03:10:49] <tylerc> Haven't used it a whole lot yet except the test. Havent tried configuring linuxcnc and running the mill itself without running the latency test.
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[03:11:56] <CaptHindsight> tylerc: could be lots of things
[03:12:16] <CaptHindsight> easy to see if you use serial debug to see where it actually hangs
[03:12:45] <CaptHindsight> tylerc: easy fix, use earlier version
[03:13:02] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-1-8-solid-carbide-End-Mills-ball-end-CNC-cuutter-2-Flute-1-5-x-75-/191826981321?hash=item2ca9c771c9:g:SjsAAOSwzgRWy1M-
[03:13:14] <pink_vampire> what do you think about that?
[03:13:17] <tylerc> :) ya.. I might need to use that fix. Not my favorite solution though.
[03:13:19] <CaptHindsight> difficult fix, look at BIOS settings, any kernel options etc etc
[03:13:31] <CaptHindsight> then debug from serial port
[03:14:17] <CaptHindsight> pink_vampire: read a book on feeds, speeds, flutes, materials etc
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[03:14:38] <pink_vampire> petefromtn: !
[03:14:56] <petefromtn> Yo
[03:15:06] <joem___> perfection!
https://i.imgur.com/cYBWrSm.png
[03:15:07] <joem___> :P
[03:15:09] <tylerc> pink_vampire:
http://www.cnccookbook.com/ helped me a bunch.
[03:15:17] <pink_vampire> you can help me to finish my order..
[03:15:31] <pink_vampire> tylerc: i know..
[03:15:36] <tylerc> pink_vampire: as did trying a bunch of bits out and breaking a few... :(
[03:15:48] <pink_vampire> but for finish the part..
[03:16:05] <petefromtn> Dem dose servo stepper drives?
[03:16:19] <joem___> yep
[03:16:24] <joem___> https://i.imgur.com/SnK6J47.png
[03:16:32] <petefromtn> Let us know how it goes
[03:17:07] <pink_vampire> I want to smooth the part..
[03:17:12] <petefromtn> Well the Uhaul is in da driveway ;)
[03:17:17] <os1r1s> joem___ Stock leadscrews or ballscrews?
[03:17:26] <joem___> stock, for now
[03:17:34] <joem___> stock screws with 3dp'd mounts
[03:17:37] <CaptHindsight> petefromtn: how many days until liftoff?
[03:17:39] <joem___> so make aluminum mounts for ballscrews
[03:17:44] <pink_vampire> I know that I need to go with ball end mill, but what diameter is recommended for that?
[03:17:55] <petefromtn> Closing Friday at 4:30pm
[03:18:27] <os1r1s> joem___ Cool. I'm in the process of CNCing my PM25MV, which is similar to the g0704
[03:18:27] <petefromtn> Today we loaded up the heaviest furniture into the 26 foot truck
[03:18:48] <os1r1s> joem___ Is that your own tray, or did you use hoss plans?
[03:18:55] <petefromtn> Kicked my ever lovin ass...
[03:18:55] <Inheritance> os1r1s, anhy ideas?
[03:19:08] <tylerc> Oldest question around: Recommendations for a motherboard & cpu? Parallel port would be nice, though not required (moving to a mesa board, but might be nice to run it the way it used to be). Only use is axis & linuxcnc, so cheap is not a bad thing.
[03:19:20] <os1r1s> Inheritance If you are just looking to engrave panels, a router will do just fine
[03:19:43] <os1r1s> Inheritance The old v90s work well for that
[03:20:06] <petefromtn> Ooh and I got a smoking deal on a nice used 5x8 utility trailer.
[03:20:07] <joem___> os1r1s, my own flood tray, similar to rustuff's
[03:20:31] <CaptHindsight> tylerc:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130759&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Motherboards+-+AMD-_-N82E16813130759&gclid=CLC8yJL31MsCFQ-oaQod45UOew&gclsrc=aw.ds
[03:20:39] <joem___> os1r1s,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvlL8a7w94
[03:20:47] <CaptHindsight> tylerc:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157490
[03:21:02] <petefromtn> Gonna serve double duty as a shit hauled and I plan to make a steel kayak rack for it that I can remove
[03:21:11] <Inheritance> os1r1s, I'm looking to do cutouts like this in 1-4mm aluminum panel
https://www.amphenolcanada.com/ProductSearch/drawings/AC/MUSBD511XX.pdf
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[03:21:35] <CaptHindsight> tylerc: the Asrock has an LPT port, the APU's start at $25
[03:21:51] <djdelorie> heh, pink parallel port - pink_vampire that one's for you :-)
[03:22:00] <os1r1s> joem___ Thats pretty wicked
[03:22:18] <pink_vampire> I know that board
[03:22:59] <os1r1s> joem___ Do you have more details on it?
[03:23:21] <joem___> os1r1s,
https://imgur.com/a/EQRgx
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[03:24:01] <pink_vampire> nice.
[03:24:20] <tylerc> The wiki still the right place to look for the latency values?
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Latency-Test
[03:25:03] <CaptHindsight> it's an older list
[03:25:29] <CaptHindsight> anything AMD made in the past 7 years should be under 25uS for jitter
[03:25:51] <joem___> 3dp'd z motor mount for both nema34 and nema27
[03:25:52] <joem___> http://i.imgur.com/GiaYXir.png
[03:26:25] <tylerc> CaptHindsight: Thanks for the help.... I think I'll just replace the PC rather than try to make this old hunk of junk work.
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[03:26:34] <pink_vampire> and I need 1" slitting saw arbor
[03:27:03] <pink_vampire> and recommendation? or something to avoid?
[03:27:07] <pink_vampire> any*
[03:27:22] <os1r1s> joem___ What coating is it?
[03:27:37] <CaptHindsight> tylerc: for ~$100 you're done and no headaches tracing issues
[03:27:45] <Jymmm> Building Without Nails The Genius of Japanese Carpentry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMtSc2MJLcw
[03:27:58] <joem___> os1r1s, oh, neverwet
[03:28:01] <djdelorie> the pc running my machine is so old it doesn't have working usb :-(
[03:28:06] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grizzly-G1438-Slitting-Saw-Arbor-New-Free-Shipping-/251817395761?hash=item3aa17c8631:g:vroAAOSwYGFUzwTp
[03:28:11] <joem___> os1r1s, it may not last very long, i think its not oleophobic, so
[03:28:22] <pink_vampire> do you think it's good?
[03:28:25] <joem___> but thats ok, under that is vinvyl paint, then epoxy
[03:29:15] <os1r1s> joem___ How sturdy is the stand?
[03:29:20] <joem___> LOL
[03:29:21] <joem___> overbuilt
[03:29:38] <joem___> its extremely sturdy, no wobble either
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[03:32:20] <CaptHindsight> pink_vampire: buy it
[03:33:10] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: do you have good experience with it?
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[03:33:34] <CaptHindsight> it's fine
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[03:36:30] <pink_vampire> the finish look bad
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[04:20:31] <Jymmm> Japology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8vJ11cXLs4
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[04:40:09] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: lost art
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[04:58:30] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: was that your segue into your favorite Tokyo past time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV5Lx1c0MWs
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[06:37:32] <pink_vampire> chips again!
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[06:56:42] <unfy> i've been dragging ass on building cnc, over the past few weekends i've been throwing together something quick / simple out of wood, drawer slides, all thread, and angle aluminum.
[06:57:14] <unfy> nearly done with the first build and time to start testing etc... but still got just a bit more building to do
[07:15:30] <kengu> ok
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[07:31:02] <unfy> also, as an aside, has anyone given serious thought to the 'diy concrete lathe' ?
[07:31:16] <Not-Renny> Me!
[07:31:28] <unfy> instead of casting parts out of al (ie: gingerly), it's base is concrete grout ?
[07:31:37] <Not-Renny> I'm butts poor.
[07:31:44] <unfy> renny: done more than a cursory glance at it ?
[07:31:50] <Not-Renny> It's reinforced concrete,
[07:32:12] <Not-Renny> The holes are left larger than needed and filled with non-shrinking grout.
[07:32:39] <Not-Renny> I've looked at most of a build guide for one....
[07:32:53] <Not-Renny> It actually looks like a really fun project.
[07:33:08] <Not-Renny> Why do you ask, unfy?
[07:33:14] <unfy> the make zine thing that looks like it has 'most' stuff, but starts to trail off towards the cross slide etc ?
[07:33:43] <unfy> mostly just cause kinda thinkin bout it, too. wouldn't mind something relatively inexpensive and not 3 phase.
[07:33:58] <tiwake> Not-Renny: still butt poor?
[07:33:59] <unfy> granted, the bolton stuff looks to be $1200-$1500 delivered ?
[07:34:38] <Not-Renny> tiwake, I will be eternally butt poor. I bought materials for my whole 3d printer frame for $21
[07:34:54] <unfy> pvc tubing ?
[07:34:56] <Not-Renny> 2 sheets of Baltic birch plywood :P
[07:35:01] <unfy> or that :D
[07:35:16] <tiwake> heh
[07:35:22] <Not-Renny> It'll be a super solid frame, but is cheap.
[07:35:43] <tiwake> super solid and wood don't go together
[07:36:04] <unfy> i've been impressed with the center / undermount drawer slides for cnc rails
[07:36:08] <Not-Renny> ?
[07:36:47] <unfy> granted, i have doubts i'll even be able to touch AL with it, but it's a fun starting / learning point
[07:36:57] <Not-Renny> https://imgur.com/7yfwFVC :P
[07:37:19] <tiwake> wood is so squishy... even the hardest of hardwoods, compared to most commonly used metals used for structures :P
[07:37:53] <tiwake> I'm also tired
[07:38:09] <unfy> renny: have you done a BOM for the concrete lathe ? come up with a cost ?
[07:38:12] <tiwake> Not-Renny: you should tell me to go to bed
[07:38:18] <Not-Renny> So am,I, tiwake, and you even have an hour more than me.
[07:38:37] <Not-Renny> It would be hypocritical of me to tell you to go to bed :l
[07:38:39] <tiwake> Not-Renny: meh, I've been working on car stuff for most of today
[07:39:03] <tiwake> and actually my birthday started about 40min ago :-x
[07:39:05] <Not-Renny> Woo, cars
[07:39:18] <Not-Renny> And hjappy birthdaygh
[07:39:31] <Not-Renny> Doing anything exciting?
[07:39:39] <tiwake> working on car stuff
[07:39:43] <Not-Renny> :P
[07:40:02] <tiwake> doing fiberglass repair for my first time
[07:40:28] <Not-Renny> How is it?
[07:40:30] <unfy> tiwake: we share a bday :D
[07:40:36] <tiwake> I should look for jobs in texas
[07:40:44] * Not-Renny did glass cutting for the first time yesterday
[07:40:47] <tiwake> unfy: oOo... how old?
[07:41:39] <tiwake> 29 as of today
[07:41:48] <Not-Renny> Also tiwake, you should join me and Deathwilldie for a road trip this summer.
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[07:42:22] <tiwake> to where?
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[07:42:54] <Not-Renny> To kind of down the West coast, up through Utah and out of Idaho, then back into Oregon.
[07:43:15] <Not-Renny> We have to see the redwoods and the Salt Flats and stuff
[07:43:18] <tiwake> I might be in texas... heh
[07:43:26] <Not-Renny> D:
[07:43:44] <Not-Renny> But didn't you just barely set up a machine shop?
[07:43:57] <tiwake> sorta... leaving the LLC
[07:43:59] <unfy> 38
[07:44:29] <tiwake> unfy: got 9 years on me... what were you doing 9 years ago? XD
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[07:45:05] <Not-Renny> Also, unfy, plywood bits for a concrete form, lots and lots of concrete, 2 thick and really, really straight rods, etc.
[07:46:55] <Not-Renny> Depending on how large you want it and how much angle iron you have laying about, it could be anywhere from $150 to $500-plus.
[07:47:34] <Not-Renny> They used to make em crazy big. For lathing artillery shells and stuff on the cheap.
[07:47:44] <unfy> so yeah, we were looking at the same thing
[07:47:55] <Not-Renny> Yeps, I think.
[07:48:05] <Not-Renny> Link to what you were looking at?
[07:48:38] <unfy> the open source machine tools org thing and such ?
[07:48:47] <unfy> has a makezine and yahoo group ?
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[07:50:09] <unfy> 9 years ago ? abou tthe same as now btw
[07:50:36] <tiwake> what are you doing now? (in general)
[07:51:15] <unfy> day job ? coder, casino industry, network / db admin as well etc
[07:51:20] <Not-Renny> Tiwake go to sleep :U
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[07:51:47] <tiwake> unfy: but by night you slay vampires?
[07:55:13] <unfy> nah
[07:55:20] <unfy> flexible work hours
[07:55:24] <unfy> at the moment i work at night
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[07:56:44] <unfy> what i do during my hobby time ? make own pcb's, reload my own ammo, bought a welder and am doing some standard mods on it, have melted some AL ...
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[07:57:21] <unfy> moin, deejay
[07:57:21] <tiwake> and slay vampires
[07:57:29] <Deejay> moin
[07:57:42] <unfy> i've fiddled with copper elecroplating, powdercoating
[07:58:28] <unfy> i wanna get the baby cnc done and experiment with it and stuff
[07:58:51] <unfy> and make designs on something bigger that involves steel
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[07:59:54] <SpeedEvil> I suggest a rolling mill.
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[09:18:28] <pink_vampire> how much it cost to send a part for anodize?
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[09:26:30] <XXCoder> just half of everything you own
[09:26:34] <XXCoder> kidding
[09:26:37] <archivist> ask your local anodiser
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[09:50:41] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/2jk7wO4.png
[09:51:03] <pink_vampire> archivist:^
[09:51:08] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[09:51:16] <pink_vampire> SpeedEvil: ^
[09:51:31] <XXCoder> nice
[09:51:48] <XXCoder> youre been making parts at decent pace lately
[09:53:01] <pink_vampire> I need to finis sand all the other.
[09:53:23] <pink_vampire> aluminum dust alllll oveeeer
[09:53:37] <XXCoder> heh sometimes I call it alum scabies
[09:53:44] <XXCoder> it can get itchy if fine dust
[09:53:55] <XXCoder> thankfully curable by bathing lol
[09:54:26] <pink_vampire> i have to get a shop
[09:54:31] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I'll take the maid bar any day over this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-yBx9C70zo
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[09:58:46] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: thank you, I feel soo normal right now.
[09:59:44] <XXCoder> japense shows is weird
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[09:59:56] <XXCoder> in public they are quite contrained and strict though
[09:59:57] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzgPOJPTo_A
[10:00:11] <pink_vampire> I need a slitting saw arbor
[10:01:09] <XXCoder> freedom fries lol some people still havent gone over french thing
[10:01:55] <pink_vampire> soo funny
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[10:02:40] <XXCoder> fixture is bit weak though it actually rotated ;)
[10:02:46] <Jymmm> XXCoder: You mean like the Japanese TV game show handjob karaoke?
[10:02:57] <Jymmm> XXCoder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWEZ2XqMByg
[10:03:10] <pink_vampire> he need to cut potato under argon
[10:04:17] <SpeedEvil> pink_vampire: this is an entirely unhelpful comment - but did you consider making it out of 1/4" or whatever, and bending it?
[10:04:52] <SpeedEvil> Assuming for the moment that that middle bit serves no mechanical purpose.
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[10:05:45] <XXCoder> Jymmm: its show not in public lol
[10:05:53] <pink_vampire> i don't have a way to bend it accurate..
[10:06:10] <XXCoder> not bent means it is stronger anyway
[10:06:17] <XXCoder> if bit more expensive
[10:06:20] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: probably
[10:07:34] <Jymmm> XXCoder: No clue, Just after CaptHindsight's segue thing, I remembered that jp had these REALLY weird game shows and of course
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=japan+gameshow is all you need from there
[10:07:59] <XXCoder> never seen that type of dial seen in that pototo milling
[10:12:16] <pink_vampire> SpeedEvil: do you know how much it cost to anodize part like that?
[10:12:24] <SpeedEvil> pink_vampire: $0
[10:12:30] <SpeedEvil> As I have all the stuff
[10:12:49] <pink_vampire> i want to sent it out..
[10:12:51] <SpeedEvil> If you're willing to DIY, it's really quite cheap
[10:13:06] <XXCoder> heard its possible to anaode in own, with few proper stuff as well as large cooler box
[10:13:13] <XXCoder> think capt was one who did it
[10:13:17] <SpeedEvil> sulphuric acid isn't expensive or particularly nasty, and dye is readiy available.
[10:13:30] <SpeedEvil> Very important to clean absolutely perfectly first.
[10:13:37] <SpeedEvil> Unless you like the tie-dye look
[10:13:38] <pink_vampire> I dont want all the acid stuff in my home.
[10:14:00] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: wonder if can abuse that and somehow tie dye loo with many colors
[10:14:16] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: XXCoder: I think I'll stick with this insead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLoukoBs8TE
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[10:14:53] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: wax resist on the surface of clean aluminium - anodise - clean some off, anodise different colour, repeat
[10:15:03] <XXCoder> nice speed
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[10:15:34] <XXCoder> guy has tougher feet than me
[10:16:12] <pink_vampire> http://profileprecisionextrusions.com/services/aluminum-anodizing/
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[10:16:53] <XXCoder> man everything takes so much time back then
[10:17:44] <Jymmm> XXCoder: You should see hit tile hut video
[10:17:50] <Jymmm> his*
[10:17:52] <XXCoder> ok
[10:18:22] <XXCoder> heh old style cook to strength - wood. first of its type I guess
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[10:20:47] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Now you'll know how to hunt and have shelter form nothing =)
[10:20:55] <XXCoder> guess lol
[10:20:58] <XXCoder> guess so*
[10:21:38] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Heres the tile hut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P73REgj-3UE
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[10:25:58] <XXCoder> nice
[10:26:09] <XXCoder> fired clay is one of earliest materials
[10:26:18] <XXCoder> and most enturing material we got still
[10:26:20] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Thought you might appreciate that =)
[10:26:48] <XXCoder> aliens will think we had tiolets as idols, it will be found in all ruins
[10:26:57] <Jymmm> lol
[10:27:00] <XXCoder> most common shitty god in usa
[10:27:04] <XXCoder> ;)
[10:27:06] <Jymmm> porceilen godess
[10:27:32] <XXCoder> or another 1,000 years later, toilets will be one of damn few traces left.
[10:27:48] <XXCoder> aliens will puzzle why it was made.
[10:28:27] <XXCoder> roof really is pretty amazing
[10:28:35] <XXCoder> also amazing huge amount of work for one guy
[10:29:10] <jthornton> morning
[10:29:23] <XXCoder> hey very early morning to you too
[10:31:25] <XXCoder> Jymmm: he has physicality of guy who works all time. not very large but probably can whip puffy muscled guy
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[10:36:46] <XXCoder> nice
[10:36:57] <XXCoder> that hut would last for quite a while
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[10:37:06] <XXCoder> everything is protected from elements
[10:37:14] <XXCoder> well door definitely not but easy to replace
[10:37:52] <Jymmm> XXCoder: heh. He built up that video from making other tools, but what you don't see and you KNOW that it happened, is all the failures, the cracked tiles, the thousands of branches that just didn't do what they were suppose to, etc.
[10:38:12] <XXCoder> yeah I assumed there was bunch of failures
[10:38:21] <XXCoder> no project goes without failures
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[11:12:07] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[11:12:16] <XXCoder> I just got code p0135 for first time today
[11:12:29] <XXCoder> o2 heater error code. strange.
[11:22:56] <pink_vampire> anther part is done.
[11:24:30] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Realize that it could also be the sensor itself failing or wiring
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[11:24:44] <XXCoder> Jymmm: its diffult to know for sure
[11:25:09] * miss0r|shop just packed up his arboga U2508 for the last time (que melodramatic music).
[11:25:09] <XXCoder> but my van matches on all symtons
[11:25:19] <XXCoder> lowered fuel ecomony, bad idle, misfirings
[11:25:28] <miss0r|shop> Car troubles? that my homefield
[11:25:30] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Not really, Look up the diag in the factory service manual. they wll give troubleshooting procedures
[11:25:46] <XXCoder> miss0r|shop: I just got p0135 for nissan quest
[11:25:50] <XXCoder> first time it ever appeared
[11:26:00] <XXCoder> along with p0400, probably side effect
[11:27:15] <miss0r|shop> acording to my software here, its probally a faulty sensor (O2, BANK 1, SENSOR 0-1)
[11:27:26] <XXCoder> indeed
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[11:27:35] <XXCoder> I love my bluetooth odb2 lol
[11:27:42] <miss0r|shop> :]
[11:27:46] <Jymmm> Appreciate the drill bit. drill press, is that a flywheel in your pocket, lighter...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEl-Y1NvBVI
[11:28:10] <XXCoder> I might finally buy one, but not too sure how to find it. I do have vehicle bible though lol
[11:28:20] <XXCoder> (the car repair guide manual)
[11:28:27] <Jymmm> XXCoder: ebay
[11:28:42] <Jymmm> XXCoder: or goto forums and look around
[11:28:50] <Jymmm> might be downloadable
[11:28:59] <XXCoder> why as I already has a copy
[11:29:24] <miss0r|shop> I might just be stupid here - call nissan.. sometimes the original is alot cheaper than one would think. and they will most likely be willing to deliever a installation manual/explotion picture with it
[11:29:29] <Jymmm> ok, then I'm confused
[11:29:42] <miss0r|shop> the sensor
[11:29:47] <miss0r|shop> Jymmm: ^
[11:29:49] <XXCoder> I also already downloaded factory repair guide
[11:29:56] <XXCoder> miss0r|shop: ok will do so
[11:30:21] <Jymmm> miss0r|shop: IF it's a sensor itself.
[11:30:24] <miss0r|shop> another plus about that solution, you are more likely to get the correct part in the first try
[11:30:28] <Jymmm> s/a/the/
[11:30:55] <miss0r|shop> indeed. but some 'incognito' questionening while requesting a part purchase, will probally give a hint
[11:31:30] <Jymmm> heh, true
[11:31:30] <XXCoder> my van had been fixed quite a bunch times to fix idle issues
[11:31:37] <XXCoder> it improved a lot, but not idle bahhhhh
[11:31:41] <miss0r|shop> like: I was wondering if you could quote me a price for xxx. [while he/she is locating the part, remark the error].. something like that
[11:31:44] <XXCoder> thankfully all cheap
[11:32:20] <XXCoder> most expensive was fuel pump though, but then van was undrivable after that decided to die lol
[11:32:50] <miss0r|shop> that usualy goes hand in hand. it seems, the more critical the part is, the more expensive it is ;)
[11:32:54] <miss0r|shop> thats how they get'ya
[11:33:29] <XXCoder> indeed
[11:34:18] * miss0r|shop is clearing space & vacuueming the shop floor for the new mill.
[11:34:28] <miss0r|shop> I have NO IDEA where all this dirt comes from
[11:35:02] <miss0r|shop> it looks like an aluminum mud slide in here
[11:35:29] <XXCoder> miss0r|shop: dirt comes from dirt
[11:35:37] <XXCoder> thats why you seem to be never rid of em
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[11:36:11] <miss0r|shop> at one point in time, I was planning to clear out the shop completely, and get a nice white/gray epoxy floor
[11:36:31] <miss0r|shop> but now I have 10+ metric tons of equipment in here... I can't seem to get around to it :)
[11:36:57] <miss0r|shop> at the moment I have a raw concrete floor - it does tend to collect alot of stuff
[11:37:00] <XXCoder> cant do on sections?
[11:37:24] <miss0r|shop> well - I know a guy who does it for a living, and he reccomended against it
[11:37:50] <miss0r|shop> it can create somewhat of a 'binding issue' where the newly poured meets the old
[11:38:46] <_methods> buwhahahahhah
[11:39:03] <_methods> amphenol aerospace just got put on mil-qualification hold
[11:39:11] <_methods> stop ship
[11:39:19] <miss0r|shop> heh.. if you'd seen the inside of my shop, you'd know sectioning it wouldn't be easy either, I have very little space left in here. like - the large mill in here it has a spot, and the only way to move it would be to shove it outside
[11:39:23] <_methods> MIL-DTL-22992, MIL-DTL-26482, MIL-DTL-26500, MIL-DTL-27599, MIL-DTL-38999, MIL-
[11:39:26] <_methods> DTL-55302, MIL-DTL-83513, MIL-DTL-83723 products; FSC 5935; VQP-16-030163
[11:39:39] <_methods> 1. Sourcing of components from unapproved facilities, specifically components from the
[11:39:42] <_methods> People?s Republic of China.
[11:39:45] <_methods> 2. Delinquency of testing for retention of qualification for Mil-Specs listed above.
[11:40:03] <_methods> that is gonna screw some people up big time
[11:40:59] <miss0r|shop> speaking of fscked up stuff. did you guys hear about the $280mil ship to be named 'boaty McBoatface' ?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/world/europe/boaty-mcboatface-what-you-get-when-you-let-the-internet-decide.html?_r=0
[11:42:10] <XXCoder> yeah heard of that
[11:42:14] <XXCoder> fun name
[11:42:28] <miss0r|shop> British humour at its best.
[11:43:05] <XXCoder> miss0r|shop: british painting of guy with apple on face? replace it with boat
[11:43:11] <XXCoder> and it can be that boat icon
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[11:43:42] <miss0r|shop> hehe. is that painting British ?
[11:43:54] <XXCoder> hmm I thought so
[11:43:59] <miss0r|shop> Belgian
[11:44:12] <miss0r|shop> René Magritte
[11:44:20] <miss0r|shop> thank you wiki
[11:44:30] <XXCoder> son of man
[11:44:59] <XXCoder> too bad, if it was british it'd be funnier but it still works.
[11:46:50] <miss0r|shop> I seem to recall an episode of Family Guy, where Peter and Chris creates a cartoon, with realy shitty drawings ofc. They had a character named something like that. like duck mccrap face or something like that - I Can't quite recall
[11:50:31] <XXCoder> lol ok
[11:51:57] <miss0r|shop> never mind - He was called 'poop face tomato nose'...
[11:52:02] <miss0r|shop> Back to cleaning
[11:52:23] <XXCoder> lol later and thanks
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[12:08:31] <miss0r|shop> do any of you have a good solution for pulling out/removing concrete anchors from a floor? I have to remove a machine acnhored with 4 such. and If possible, it don't want to have to lift it that much
[12:09:15] <jdh> we lift the corner and sawzall
[12:09:34] <archivist> lift it enough to angle grind them flush
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[12:10:24] <archivist> I never anchor the machines, move them too often to get more in
[12:11:09] <miss0r|shop> yeah well. my 'newly' installed machines have the holes for the anchors drilled deep enough for me to hammer them level with the floor in case of removal - i did not think of that when installing this particular machine
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[12:11:30] <miss0r|shop> I will do the lifty-cutty thing. sucks that the machine weight in at 2 tons
[12:17:03] <archivist> quite often some of my machines remain on the rollers/bits of wood
[12:19:42] <Tom_itx> 36°F
[12:19:49] <Tom_itx> 80 yesterday
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[12:25:09] <miss0r|shop> archivist: how do you keep the steady doing that (vibration) ?
[12:25:27] <archivist> gravity
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[12:26:04] <miss0r|shop> most my machines have a pretty small base - I wouldn't be comfortable with thtat
[12:27:23] <archivist> like this one living on rollers
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2011/2011_07_13_Adcock_and_Shipley/IMG_1139.JPG
[12:28:15] <archivist> later on moved a bit to packers and one roller
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_06_15_Adcock_Shipley/IMG_1249.JPG
[12:28:43] <enleth> gregcnc: well that is an option, although it would probably make it pretty difficult to work to blued marks
[12:29:35] <miss0r|shop> archivist: i realy wouldn't be happy about that
[12:29:37] <enleth> gregcnc: so in the old days of bluing, scratching and hand cranking without DROs, they must have just protected themselves with clothing I guess
[12:30:17] <archivist> miss0r|shop, as you can see it is in use in those pics, dated a year apart
[12:31:06] <archivist> I never know if I need to turn/move some day
[12:32:05] <miss0r|shop> indeed. but in the latter picture, you have it blocked up in one side, atleast. that makes me feel better.
[12:32:11] <archivist> machine CG always inside the footprint with the loads I put on
[12:33:32] <archivist> now for risky
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=statfold+milling
[12:34:05] <archivist> note the crane left holding the load :)
[12:34:30] <miss0r|shop> o_O
[12:35:02] <archivist> never looked to see if it was bolted to the floor
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[14:49:26] <MrSunshine> ahh, squared up a piece for scraping in the lathe =) worked out nice =)
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[15:28:10] <Polymorphism> how much do I need to spend to cut 1-4mm aluminum plate?
[15:28:17] <Polymorphism> weither diy or prebuilt
[15:29:30] <Polymorphism> this is a very difficult question to answer apparently
[15:29:34] <archivist> a jigsaw, a fretsaw a bandsaw, a water jet
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[15:29:49] <_methods> wtf is 1-4mm plate
[15:30:03] <Polymorphism> jigsaw is sloppy
[15:30:10] <archivist> 1 to 4 1.4 or what
[15:30:11] <cradek> shear
[15:30:25] <_methods> your question is so vague it would be impossible to give any meaningful answer
[15:30:31] <Polymorphism> _methods, seriously? 1-4mm thick aluminum sheet
[15:30:46] <_methods> seriously wtf does that even mean
[15:30:50] <archivist> 1 to 4 do you mean
[15:30:50] <_methods> what size
[15:30:52] <Polymorphism> the actual item, are the extruded project enclosure cover plates and surfaces
[15:30:53] <SpeedEvil> Chisel, hammer
[15:30:56] <Polymorphism> 12x12" max
[15:31:04] <_methods> now that i understand
[15:31:05] <Polymorphism> small electronic enclosures
[15:31:06] <Simonious> In solidworks when I do 'make drawing from part', my width and height are in metric.. I'd love to change this to use standard paper sizes 8/5"x11" usually - how do I do this
[15:31:09] <Polymorphism> I'm looking to go into production
[15:31:12] <_methods> 12"x12"x 4mm thick
[15:31:16] <Polymorphism> so I want the cuts very professional
[15:31:17] <_methods> is that what you mean
[15:31:23] <Polymorphism> thats why I'm thinking cnc is the way to go
[15:31:25] <Polymorphism> yes
[15:31:28] <archivist> extrusions are not so simple to cut
[15:32:06] <_methods> aluminum/steel/stainless/copper/brass?
[15:32:12] <_methods> ah alum
[15:32:16] <_methods> sorry just saw that
[15:32:21] <Polymorphism> http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0412/2461/products/KGrHqJHJE8FCnvfREnfBQvZpsRfk_60_1_ec535843-21ed-49ab-b509-1c7348331eb2_large.jpeg?v=1406017501
[15:32:34] <Polymorphism> I'm making products and I want to start production
[15:32:40] <SpeedEvil> you just want to cut the faceplates, not the sides?
[15:32:48] <_methods> what kinds of quantities
[15:32:54] <Polymorphism> well I'd like to be able to cut the enclosure itself
[15:32:56] <Polymorphism> as well as the panels
[15:33:02] <_methods> any local machine/sheetmetal shop can do that for you
[15:33:06] <Polymorphism> I know that
[15:33:12] <Polymorphism> I have 5000 dollars for new tools
[15:33:16] <Polymorphism> I want to do this at home
[15:33:19] <Polymorphism> produce in hosue 100%
[15:33:26] <_methods> holy fuck
[15:33:28] <Polymorphism> ideallyt I would even cut the enclosure from scratch
[15:33:29] <_methods> this is painful
[15:33:37] <Polymorphism> I dont want to pay a machine shopo
[15:33:42] <Polymorphism> why would I be in here askinbg about cnc?
[15:33:47] <Polymorphism> obviously I know I can pay someone else to do it
[15:33:50] <Polymorphism> I could even do it at my makerspace
[15:33:53] <Polymorphism> I want to OWN the machine
[15:33:56] <Polymorphism> thats what I'm asking about
[15:34:00] <Polymorphism> what machine to buy or build
[15:34:02] <Polymorphism> to get into cnc
[15:34:05] <Polymorphism> and these are my requirements
[15:34:08] <Polymorphism> my budget is 5000 dollars
[15:34:12] <_methods> Polymorphism> how much do I need to spend to cut 1-4mm aluminum plate?
[15:34:14] <Polymorphism> ideally, I'd like to stay under 3500
[15:34:24] <_methods> that was your question
[15:34:25] <Polymorphism> well I could see myself building a new guitar as well
[15:34:27] <Polymorphism> cutting pcbs
[15:34:28] <Polymorphism> etc
[15:34:31] <Polymorphism> if I had a nice machine
[15:34:33] <Polymorphism> like the raptor
[15:34:46] <Polymorphism> but I don't know if it's a ripoff, or if its way more than I need
[15:34:50] <Polymorphism> thats why I'm here, asking for advice
[15:35:00] <Polymorphism> I also see the Nomad 883, carvey, etc
[15:35:03] <Polymorphism> not sure how those stack up
[15:35:12] <Polymorphism> but I'm facing the real decision of which machine to purchase or build
[15:36:03] <Polymorphism> Shapeoko 3 looks nice too for ~1000 and a large cutting area
[15:36:08] <Polymorphism> but I've heard rigidity concerns
[15:37:37] <Polymorphism> so my basic requirement, is just 1-4mm thick aluminum 12" x 12"
[15:42:11] <Polymorphism> nobody?
[15:42:15] <Polymorphism> 155 people in here
[15:42:22] <Polymorphism> does anyone in here actually own a mill
[15:42:24] <Polymorphism> is this a channel about cnc
[15:42:37] * Polymorphism confused
[15:43:11] <tiwake> most people are at work, you know, working?
[15:43:26] <tiwake> :P
[15:43:34] <tiwake> except me, I'm between jobs
[15:43:59] <_methods> lol of course people in here have mills
[15:44:04] <_methods> i have 2 in my garage
[15:44:13] <_methods> and a whole bunch at work
[15:44:17] <cradek> it's hard to cut thin stuff with a mill. water/plasma are probably better, designing your enclosures so you can build them with a shear and brake is maybe even better
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[15:44:40] <tiwake> cradek: its pretty easy with a good vacuum holder thing
[15:44:49] <tiwake> they are not cheap though
[15:44:52] <tiwake> heh
[15:45:26] <Polymorphism> fixturing wax
[15:45:29] <Polymorphism> ?
[15:45:29] <cradek> yeah, lots of it depends on the actual design
[15:45:34] <_methods> but when you start snapping at people that try and answer your vague question they will probably be reluctant to help
[15:45:49] <Polymorphism> remind me when I snapped?
[15:45:55] <Polymorphism> <_methods> seriously wtf does that even mean
[15:46:03] <Polymorphism> your first response
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[15:46:30] <Polymorphism> water//plasma cutters look out of my budget
[15:46:38] <tiwake> waterjet is badass
[15:46:41] <Polymorphism> shear and break I dont know what it is, I'll look that up
[15:46:42] <tiwake> get one
[15:46:59] <cradek> fixturing for production should not be fiddly
[15:47:27] <_methods> _methods> wtf is 1-4mm plate
[15:47:31] <_methods> that was my first response
[15:47:31] <cradek> sure you can use superglue or carpet tape or wax sometimes, but that's not going to be a good solution like waterjet might be
[15:47:34] <Polymorphism> I dont see any watert jet in my budget
[15:47:50] <tiwake> maybe your budget should be bigger
[15:47:55] <Polymorphism> it is what it is
[15:48:00] <Polymorphism> $3500 is already a lot to spend on one tool
[15:48:06] <cradek> or in-house might not be practical?
[15:48:16] <tiwake> that will hardly get you a knee mill these days
[15:48:37] <Polymorphism> http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[15:48:43] <Polymorphism> looks like it gets me a cnc that might be MORe than I need
[15:48:47] <Polymorphism> thats what I'm trying to determine
[15:48:58] <Polymorphism> I could become a luthier on the side
[15:49:23] <malcom2073> Loetmichel2 Does a lot of sheet metal work with a 6040, it might be good to talk to him
[15:49:30] <_methods> ^^
[15:49:32] <malcom2073> for enclosures and the like
[15:49:35] <tiwake> bleh aluminum
[15:49:39] <cradek> unprotected ballscrews and no provision for coolant
[15:49:51] <malcom2073> i think he uses a vacuume table to hold them down
[15:49:52] <cradek> you need coolant for milling aluminum
[15:50:11] <cradek> I agree vacuum fixturing is likely to be the winner for sheet stuff
[15:50:32] <tiwake> a good vacuum fixture kit will be in excess of $1000
[15:50:57] <cradek> by production do you mean 10, 100, 1000, 10000?
[15:50:59] <Polymorphism> could that secure entire enclosures as well?
[15:51:03] <tiwake> hmm, though I don't have a whole lot to base that off of
[15:51:50] <Polymorphism> 6040 doesnt look bad
[15:51:55] <Polymorphism> its a lot less than that raptor
[15:52:03] <_methods> Loetmichel made his right on the table i believe
[15:52:22] <tiwake> Polymorphism: have you checked craigslist? if you keep a close eye on it you might find a good cheap machine (haas VF3) for a few thousand
[15:52:47] <Polymorphism> itsnt that 65,000 new?
[15:52:58] <Polymorphism> and I can't fit that in my home
[15:52:59] <tiwake> new yeah, you don't need new
[15:53:13] <Polymorphism> it also looks like more than I need
[15:53:19] <tiwake> then why are you... w/e
[15:53:23] <_methods> lol
[15:53:24] <Polymorphism> ?
[15:53:28] <Polymorphism> I said my budget was 5000 max
[15:53:35] <tiwake> I'm done
[15:53:36] <Polymorphism> I know that can get me what I need
[15:53:43] <Polymorphism> as there are complete options on youtube premade
[15:53:46] <Polymorphism> milling thicker metal
[15:53:47] <Polymorphism> for less
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[15:53:51] <Polymorphism> I'm asking , how much is too much
[15:53:59] <Polymorphism> what is the most basic machine I can get away with to do this job
[15:54:10] <Polymorphism> cut out odd shaped holes in the 1-4mm plate to put the components
[15:54:11] <_methods> a coping saw
[15:54:15] <Polymorphism> I can't do it by hand
[15:54:16] <_methods> and hand drill
[15:54:16] <CaptHindsight> nope, doing it all wrong
[15:54:19] <Polymorphism> it doesnt work for me
[15:54:20] <Polymorphism> I tried it by hand
[15:54:21] <CaptHindsight> you're supposed to ask the same questions every few hours until you get the answer you want to hear
[15:54:23] <Polymorphism> the results were sloppy
[15:54:35] <_methods> practice more
[15:54:40] <Polymorphism> whats witht he odd attitude in here?
[15:54:52] <Polymorphism> do you dispute 5000 is enough for a unit that will do what I need?
[15:54:59] <Polymorphism> someone just said a guy is doing this with the 6040
[15:55:02] <Polymorphism> and vacuum fixture
[15:55:03] <Polymorphism> thats only 2000
[15:55:04] <_methods> it's more than enough
[15:55:08] <Polymorphism> way under my budget
[15:55:16] <Polymorphism> is that what is being recommended ?
[15:55:17] <cradek> ah, "cut odd shaped holes in plate" is some new detail to your question
[15:55:34] <_methods> i think he wants to machine the housing too
[15:55:41] <Polymorphism> I could, but its not required
[15:55:47] <_methods> but i don't think any of those machines have enough z
[15:55:52] <Polymorphism> I just want to be able to machine the cutouts in existing housings
[15:56:04] <Polymorphism> my max z required is 2.6"
[15:56:12] <Polymorphism> these enclosures arent too thick
[15:56:23] <Polymorphism> I was envisioning putting the entire box in there
[15:56:26] <_methods> then a 6040 should do the trick
[15:56:26] <Polymorphism> and machining the LCD cutout on top
[15:56:33] <Polymorphism> and then putting the plates in and doing the power antenna etc cutouts
[15:56:56] <Polymorphism> I'll read up more on the 6040
[15:56:58] <cradek> that is a job for a press
[15:57:05] <Polymorphism> a press?
[15:57:13] <tiwake> for news
[15:57:18] <tiwake> you know, the news press
[15:57:28] <cradek> it's easier to punch shapes like that than cut them
[15:57:28] <Polymorphism> https://www.amphenolcanada.com/ProductSearch/drawings/AC/MUSBD111XX.pdf
[15:57:31] <Polymorphism> there is an example
[15:57:36] <Polymorphism> of a type of cutout I need to do
[15:57:51] <Polymorphism> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/1200x900/2229-00.jpg
[15:57:57] <Polymorphism> that is the box I would like to cut
[15:58:00] <Polymorphism> all faces
[15:58:07] <Polymorphism> or at least the end plates
[15:58:37] <Polymorphism> I figure I could then engrave the control labeling
[15:58:41] <Polymorphism> with the same machine
[15:58:55] <Polymorphism> I'm trying to start a business
[15:59:12] <Polymorphism> cradek, I would need custom dies though
[15:59:15] <tiwake> you should get a news press
[15:59:23] <Polymorphism> I'd like to be able to try different cuts, prototype in house , etc
[15:59:28] <Polymorphism> and then move to production witht ehs ame machine
[15:59:39] * Polymorphism looks up news press
[16:00:12] <Polymorphism> this doesnt seem like what I need
[16:01:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.toxel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cheese07.jpg I wonder if there is a market for CNC'ed versions
[16:02:13] <Polymorphism> not sure why you mock someone trying to start a business
[16:02:16] <Polymorphism> with legitimate questions
[16:02:32] <Polymorphism> I'm going to talk to the 6040 person when they return
[16:02:34] <cradek> Polymorphism: true about custom dies. whether that's worth it depends on how big your production will be.
[16:02:46] <Polymorphism> probably 10-20 unit run to start
[16:02:49] <CaptHindsight> carving by hand seems tedious
[16:02:49] <Polymorphism> hopefully more from there
[16:02:59] <Polymorphism> yeah I cant do this by hand
[16:03:02] <tiwake> each hour? each day? each week? each month? each year?
[16:03:04] <Polymorphism> just one product has as many as 10 cuts
[16:03:18] <cradek> cool, homemade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuYCQEo17V0
[16:03:33] <Polymorphism> maybe 50-100 per year? I don't know
[16:03:46] <Polymorphism> for now I just want to be able to produce 1-10 professional looking enclosures
[16:03:49] <Polymorphism> and go from there
[16:03:54] <tiwake> a business should be able to make money by outsourcing everything
[16:04:08] <Polymorphism> I'm not going to outsource this part of it
[16:04:15] <Polymorphism> why does everyone say this?
[16:04:16] <tiwake> can you make money by outsourcing the work to start off with?
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[16:04:31] <Polymorphism> I also want the machine for prototyping in house
[16:04:31] <CaptHindsight> has anyone seen the crimp tool used for solderless plumbing connections?
[16:04:34] <Polymorphism> so its not jusat for production
[16:04:39] <Polymorphism> thatsd why I would spend the money
[16:04:52] <Polymorphism> one off designs, custom builds, protoytypes, AND the ability for small batch in houser produiction
[16:04:58] <tiwake> thats what a knee mill is for
[16:04:59] <Polymorphism> if I need 100s of units I'll cross that bridge later
[16:05:03] <Polymorphism> and I won't consider the moneyu wasted
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[16:05:17] <cradek> CaptHindsight: pex? I've used it lots
[16:05:19] * Polymorphism goes to look up knee mill
[16:05:50] <cradek> CaptHindsight: (in the US there are at least two currently-popular solderless plumbing schemes)
[16:05:55] <Polymorphism> is this just a manual mill
[16:06:15] <tiwake> yeah, and what you likely want for 'prototyping'
[16:06:20] <CaptHindsight> cradek:
http://www.toolup.com/Ridgid-43433-RP-200-B-Press-Tool-Kit-with-ProPress-Jaws-1-2-to-1? did you use this tool?
[16:06:39] <Polymorphism> tiwake, how does the learning curve and cost compare?
[16:06:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.toolup.com/Ridgid-43358-RP-340-Battery-Press-Tool-Kit-with-ProPress-Jaws-1-2-2 or up to 2"
[16:06:56] <Polymorphism> if the cost is similar or the learning curve steeper I would still want to go cnc
[16:07:03] <tiwake> do you want to be a machinist or a manufacturer?
[16:07:17] <cradek> CaptHindsight: jeez no
[16:07:22] <Polymorphism> that price is insane
[16:07:32] <Polymorphism> tiwake, manufacturer
[16:07:35] <Polymorphism> I want to spend my time coding
[16:07:37] <Polymorphism> and designing
[16:07:46] <Polymorphism> not struggling with power tools getting metal splinters
[16:07:50] <tiwake> if you want to be a manufacturer, outsource everything to start off with, and don't rush to buy a machine. If you want to be a machinist, get a machine right now.
[16:08:17] <Polymorphism> hmm
[16:08:23] <tiwake> now we are getting to the root. finally.
[16:08:31] <malcom2073> Or find a friend with a machine for you to use and play with
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[16:08:41] <malcom2073> Or at least, to help you out with small runs and prototyping
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[16:09:17] <tiwake> for prototyping you might be able to get away with renting a small portion of an existing machine shop, buy your own tooling, etc.
[16:09:38] <Polymorphism> there is even a local maker space with laser cutter plasma cutter 3d printer cnc etc
[16:09:43] <Polymorphism> but I want do produce in house..
[16:09:44] <cradek> CaptHindsight: here's very much like the stuff I used:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291195744826
[16:09:48] <tiwake> the most difficult thing about owning a machine is having a place to put it.
[16:09:51] <Polymorphism> I don't want to drive an hour each time to make a cut
[16:09:58] <cradek> CaptHindsight: the tubing cutter of that style is really useful too
[16:10:08] <tiwake> outsource the production to people who are good at production... likely somebody who has a waterjet machine
[16:10:27] <Polymorphism> tiwake,
http://carbide3d.com/nomad/ what about machines like that
[16:10:32] <Polymorphism> I could put that on my work desk
[16:10:38] <Polymorphism> the work area is a little bit small
[16:11:01] <Polymorphism> 8x8"
[16:11:01] <CaptHindsight> cradek: a fraction of the price
[16:11:12] <tiwake> a micro mill?
[16:11:25] <Sync> get a 6040 with ballscrews and be happy
[16:11:27] <toastydeath> hey, this is a shot in the dark but does anyone in here know a decent amount about linux SAS and block devices?
[16:11:28] <cradek> CaptHindsight: the crimper takes a lot of strength and would be very tiring to run all day
[16:11:30] <tiwake> are you cutting out holes in sheet metal, or are you engraving stuff?
[16:11:39] <Polymorphism> tiwake, I'd like to do both
[16:11:47] <Polymorphism> I'd like to cut those little alumimum anodized enclosures
[16:11:49] <tiwake> thats two different machines
[16:11:53] <Polymorphism> and then engrave the logo + labveling
[16:12:03] <cradek> CaptHindsight: I can imagine quickly wanting a power crimper of some kind if you did it all day
[16:12:03] <Polymorphism> wouldnt it just be two different tools?
[16:12:15] <Polymorphism> just a .1mm cut or something
[16:12:18] <tiwake> different tools as well
[16:12:33] <CaptHindsight> cradek: yeah, looking at jaws, buy vs make
[16:12:33] <Polymorphism> did you see the examples
[16:12:46] <Polymorphism> they seem to imply I could cut my own pcb, cut my own enclosure, and engrave the logo + labels
[16:12:49] <Polymorphism> with one machine
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[16:12:59] <malcom2073> Engraving is typically done at a significantly higher rpm than milling
[16:13:04] <Polymorphism> https://www.inventables.com/technologies/carvey
[16:13:04] <tiwake> can you make money if you outsource everything?
[16:13:05] <Polymorphism> also this
[16:13:14] <Polymorphism> no
[16:13:41] <tiwake> then its probably not a very well thought out business
[16:13:54] <Polymorphism> https://d2rhdy377k7eul.cloudfront.net/assets/carvey/product_slide2-ac6f5f4b3df3e7a963d7865d881e68b3.jpg
[16:13:57] <Polymorphism> thats a perfect example
[16:14:01] <Polymorphism> of what I'm trying to do
[16:14:11] <Polymorphism> and also an example of someone doing it as a business
[16:14:11] <CaptHindsight> jaws are ~$150ea not bad
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[16:14:28] <Polymorphism> also this
https://d2rhdy377k7eul.cloudfront.net/assets/carvey/product_slide6-3156b2da169eaf47fb310198dfd0f2b3.jpg
[16:14:42] <malcom2073> If you want to do small runs, get a machine and learn to be a machinist.
[16:15:23] <Polymorphism> it seems like milling by hand would be a steeper learning curve than learning to use a machine
[16:15:33] <tiwake> buying machines should not happen until you have a facility to house the machines, and enough work to keep all of said machines busy in the peak months. Fill in the lower volume months by looking to do other peoples work.
[16:15:37] <Polymorphism> especially one of these desktop mills that come with software that goes from cad straight ot the machine
[16:15:55] <cradek> to run a cnc you need to learn all the skills of a manual machinist and then also how to operate your computer stuff
[16:15:58] <Polymorphism> why is it so hard for people to just help advise me one WHAT to purchase though
[16:15:58] <Polymorphism> not if
[16:16:00] <Polymorphism> it's my money
[16:16:02] <Polymorphism> its disposable right now
[16:16:05] <Polymorphism> I want to buy a cnc
[16:16:08] <Polymorphism> ...
[16:16:13] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: Because there's no right answer
[16:16:24] <malcom2073> There are many different options that each have their pros and cons
[16:16:31] <Polymorphism> hmm
[16:16:37] <cradek> we're actually trying to help, instead of just answering your question because it is based on false assumptions
[16:16:41] <malcom2073> That, and a lot of people here are *really* against helping people shoot themselves in the foot, even if they don't believe they are doign so
[16:16:48] <Polymorphism> ok
[16:17:02] <gregcnc> there are people that just do what they want and learn along the way
[16:17:08] <cradek> for instance that cnc makes a part magically appear from a drawing in cad when you push the GO button
[16:17:19] <Polymorphism> I don't beleive its that easy
[16:17:24] <Polymorphism> I know there is a lot to learn
[16:17:30] <archivist> we know it is not easy
[16:17:40] <Polymorphism> it does seem like some of these all in one machine-software solutions might make it *easier*
[16:17:48] <malcom2073> They make it *seem* easier
[16:17:51] <tiwake> tooling, tool holders, be prepared to spend thousands just on tooling and measuring equipment
[16:17:54] <cradek> you can make your first part faster on a manual machine than on a cnc machine
[16:17:55] <Polymorphism> http://carbide3d.com/carbidecreate/
[16:17:56] <Polymorphism> like this
[16:17:58] <archivist> there is no "all in one"
[16:18:04] <Polymorphism> cradek, even for advanced cuts?
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[16:18:10] <Polymorphism> https://www.amphenolcanada.com/ProductSearch/drawings/AC/MUSBD111XX.pdf
[16:18:10] <malcom2073> But you wind up spending more time making up for the shoddy machines than you would if you had started from a good starting point
[16:18:11] <Polymorphism> like this
[16:18:35] <cradek> well it depends. there are a lot fewer skills to learn to start, but you can't cut ellipse shapes or something like that.
[16:18:50] <Polymorphism> I need to cut ellipses etc
[16:19:00] <gregcnc> have you spent any time watching others do something like this? These days people put way too much info on instagram, youtube etc
[16:19:00] <Polymorphism> that part is just one example
[16:19:03] <Polymorphism> thats an actual part I use
[16:19:08] <cradek> ok but the point still stands
[16:19:21] <cradek> yes! youtube is great for seeing people's working setups
[16:19:27] <Polymorphism> gregcnc, yes I've watched a lot of youtube videos and read a lot of forums
[16:19:32] <cradek> how do you hold the work, stuff like that
[16:19:34] <Polymorphism> lots of conflicting info out there
[16:19:49] <gregcnc> none of it is conflicting, just different ways
[16:19:59] <Polymorphism> well in terms of opinions I meant
[16:20:08] <malcom2073> Goes back to the "there's no right answer"
[16:20:16] <gregcnc> no there isn't
[16:20:28] <gregcnc> but at some point you have to just take that leap
[16:20:43] <Polymorphism> so what is the general feeling about machines like the nomad
[16:20:44] <Polymorphism> or carvey
[16:20:49] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: They're pretty crap
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[16:20:58] <CaptHindsight> Nomad sounds cool
[16:21:13] <malcom2073> sorry, speaking of the carvey
[16:21:18] <malcom2073> It's an engraving machine
[16:21:29] <Polymorphism> http://carbide3d.com/shapeoko/
[16:21:32] <Polymorphism> there is also that
[16:21:39] <Polymorphism> someone said it might not be rigid enoughb
[16:21:39] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/178590870/the-nomad-cnc-mill i think I know who made that
[16:21:46] <malcom2073> That's a bit more sturdy
[16:22:14] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: That's the big issue with cutting aluminum, you'll get terrible finishes and ruin tools with a flimsy machine
[16:22:19] <malcom2073> vs cutting plastic or wood
[16:22:24] <CaptHindsight> different one, they are in CO and tend to use wood on the exterior of everything
[16:22:34] <cradek> the spindle looks like a wood router?
[16:22:49] <Polymorphism> its a dewalt router
[16:23:11] <cradek> you can't cut metal with a wood router
[16:23:22] <_methods> you "can"
[16:23:24] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfYc35KeTEY
[16:23:28] <_methods> but will it look good
[16:23:34] <Polymorphism> by the way, thats 20x thicker than I need
[16:23:35] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/UVU2O48RBZ4?t=28s Carbide 3D Nomad 883 CNC Mill In Action
[16:23:38] <_methods> will it hold a tolerance
[16:23:39] <Polymorphism> 1-4 *millimeter*
[16:23:41] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: See my comment about ruining tools and shoddy cut qualitty
[16:23:42] <Polymorphism> alu is what I need to cut
[16:23:49] <Polymorphism> see my comment about thickness
[16:23:57] <Polymorphism> I dont need to do anythign that thick
[16:24:04] <malcom2073> Also, just listen to that chatter
[16:24:32] <Polymorphism> is that because no coolant?
[16:24:41] <gregcnc> you have to be realistic about how long it will take you to get running
[16:24:43] <Polymorphism> also so so much thicker than I need
[16:24:46] <malcom2073> no, it's because it's a wood router on a flimsy machine heh
[16:25:00] <cradek> the speed is way too high and there's no rigidity
[16:25:04] <malcom2073> Could also be that the feeds are wrong
[16:25:10] <gregcnc> if you have product to sell today but it takes 6 months to make a aluminum bezel plate, job it out
[16:25:15] <CaptHindsight> the spindle
https://youtu.be/dvGtw1Qk1F0?t=40s
[16:25:25] <Polymorphism> 6 months??
[16:25:34] <gregcnc> maybe I don't know your ability
[16:25:45] <gregcnc> I'm delaing with people like that now
[16:25:47] <Polymorphism> mostly code, getting in to electronics now
[16:25:51] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: It iwll take you more than 6 months to go from getting the machine in the door, to producing a product assuming you've never run a mill, or designed a part for milling
[16:25:53] <gregcnc> never machined anything?
[16:25:56] <Polymorphism> no
[16:26:05] <gregcnc> 6 months
[16:26:12] <malcom2073> Less if you're spending 40 hours a day on it of course
[16:26:16] <malcom2073> but not much
[16:26:20] <tiwake> Polymorphism: you idiot... outsource the machining to somebody who has a water jet machine. Having been a machinist 10 years, and a part owner of a machine shop business for two years, do not buy a machine to cut out what you want. What you are doing is the same thing my business parters are doing and why the business is failing right now. This is why I left the LLC.
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[16:26:28] <CaptHindsight> these guys figure out ways to make beer money selling routers, FDM printers, dog polishers etc.
[16:26:48] <tiwake> Polymorphism: get a machine to do your engraving if you want, but don't get the machine to cut out your plates or whatever
[16:27:06] <CaptHindsight> and Easy Bake Oven bakes, but you probably don't want to go into business with one
[16:27:07] <gregcnc> there has to be a way to make dog polishers and make living money
[16:27:25] <malcom2073> gregcnc: Shapeoko does :)
[16:27:45] <malcom2073> It's tough to beat the chinese at their own game though, 6040's are damn good *for the money*
[16:28:32] <Polymorphism> the 6040...
[16:28:46] <Polymorphism> is someone saying that can't cut what I need?
[16:29:02] <malcom2073> It can do what you need, I said this before. Loetmichel2 uses a 6040 to do exactly what you're looking to do
[16:29:03] <Polymorphism> https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/1200x900/2230-00.jpg
[16:29:05] <CaptHindsight> who sells the 6040 that don't need rebuilding right out of the box?
[16:29:13] <Polymorphism> ^^
[16:29:16] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: That too heh
[16:29:19] <Polymorphism> thats why I'm asking how muich to spend
[16:29:23] <Polymorphism> so I don't need to do something like that
[16:29:31] <Polymorphism> out of the box working sounds like myt best option
[16:29:36] <Polymorphism> if it takes 6 months just to learnt he machine
[16:29:40] <Polymorphism> then I can't be building one as well
[16:29:42] <gregcnc> That metal box is extruded?
[16:29:42] <Polymorphism> and tweaking etc
[16:30:08] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: extrusion with sheet for end caps
[16:30:24] <gregcnc> yes, but where does the router fit in?
[16:30:31] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: That, I don't have any experience with, fully working machines out of the box are pretty far above my hobbiest budget :)
[16:30:50] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I think he wants to make openings for connectors
[16:31:21] <Polymorphism> http://www.bitscope.com/product/BS120/05.jpg
[16:31:24] <Polymorphism> I want to turn that box into this one
[16:31:26] <Polymorphism> for example
[16:31:28] <Polymorphism> not the best example
[16:31:36] <Polymorphism> but I want to take those boxes and make them into professional looking enclosures
[16:31:44] <Polymorphism> cutout for LCD, usb, knobs, etc
[16:32:03] <gregcnc> and there are no suppliers of enclosures that will do that for you?
[16:32:11] <Polymorphism> with the end result being a product essentially indistiguishabler from profesisonal
[16:32:17] <Polymorphism> they will but its usually 100 MOQW
[16:32:19] <Polymorphism> MOQ
[16:32:37] <Polymorphism> -r
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[16:33:07] <maxcnc> hi all from a rainy eastern weekend start in Germany
[16:33:14] <archivist> takes a lot of practice to get that finish
[16:33:18] <gregcnc> so how mcuh is 100 boxes VS machine and time cost
[16:33:37] <_methods> you'd never hit ROI on a run that small
[16:34:14] <maxcnc> Polymorphism: cand you buy a standard one and modyfi it
[16:34:17] <djdelorie> I once heard that a CNC machine only pays for itself if it's always running...
[16:34:27] <archivist> 10 off the setup has cost you 300 each minimum
[16:34:46] <Polymorphism> the machine doesnt need to pay for itself
[16:34:51] <Polymorphism> although I think it could
[16:34:59] <Polymorphism> I could potentially make a large profit on each system
[16:35:00] <maxcnc> the 6040 will do the modyfy
[16:36:20] <Polymorphism> the 6040 is sounding like a solid option
[16:36:44] <archivist> when I last did a product in a case we had the case front panel machined and screen printed at a local company
[16:36:44] <Polymorphism> its obviously much less money than some of these desktop enclosed machines like the nomad or carvey
[16:36:48] <Polymorphism> and around the same as the shapeoko 3
[16:36:51] <Polymorphism> is it higher quality?
[16:37:09] <Polymorphism> if I wanted to have these outsourced I could just get pcbs printed
[16:37:12] <Polymorphism> cut and silkscreened
[16:37:15] <Polymorphism> its a very clean option
[16:37:21] <Polymorphism> but I want to do this in house
[16:37:40] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj0Bv4UEFSs
[16:37:44] <Polymorphism> like that I could do
[16:37:48] <Polymorphism> but I want the metal plates
[16:38:28] <os1r1s2> Would you tie the fault line on a servo to the abort pin in linuxcnc?
[16:39:19] <cradek> os1r1s2: there's an input specifically for amplifier fault
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[16:40:56] <cradek> os1r1s2:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/core-components.html#_pins
[16:41:03] <os1r1s2> cradek Ok. I'll research. I didn't find it in pncconf so I didn't know it was there :)
[16:41:36] <solosoft> hi, anyone here have compiled xenomai linux-rpi raspberry?
[16:43:37] <CaptHindsight> solosoft: I thought I saw a binary out there, if thats any help ;)
[16:44:28] <enleth> os1r1s2: I'd route all fault signals to the main feed and spindle power contactor if I were making a machine from scratch
[16:44:51] <enleth> os1r1s2: the control might get them too, but that's, like, a secondary concern
[16:44:55] <CaptHindsight> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=74686
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[16:45:11] <solosoft> yes, there are some raspbean imgs, sorry for not being more spesefic Im on archlinux
[16:46:11] <CaptHindsight> sorry I can't be anymore help, don't mess with arch anymore and have never touched a pi
[16:46:36] <CaptHindsight> well i did take it out of the box and look at it
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[16:48:56] <os1r1s2> enleth: So how would that work from a wiring perspective?
[16:49:09] <solosoft> I have a old dektop pc running linuxcnc and paralell breakboard but I get realtime issues when milling and want to use the pi and arduino grbl
[16:49:10] <os1r1s2> enleth: The fault line would go to what which would kill the power?
[16:49:58] <enleth> os1r1s2: is it active-low or active-high? relay or transistor output?
[16:50:08] <CaptHindsight> solosoft: whats the jitter like?
[16:50:33] <os1r1s2> enleth: The motor driver supports either.
[16:50:52] <os1r1s2> enleth: Its coming from the driver, so transistor output
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[16:51:27] <pcw_home> typically you will also need a pin from linuxcnc to reset the fault
[16:51:51] <enleth> os1r1s2: what my current mill does is route all such outputs to coils of low power relays, then routes the main contactor power through all those relays, e-stop buttons and limit switches, in series
[16:52:04] <enleth> so any of those going open cuts feed and spindle power
[16:52:52] <pcw_home> make sure you dont remove control power on a servo fault
[16:52:54] <solosoft> CaptHindsight, dont remember have been months since I used it but It was whitin its limits I remember when setting it up
[16:53:00] <Polymorphism> ok
[16:53:03] <Polymorphism> I just called inventables
[16:53:06] <Polymorphism> they said carvey wont do whaty I want
[16:53:07] <enleth> pcw_home: that too
[16:53:11] <Polymorphism> calling about nomad now
[16:54:01] <os1r1s2> pcw_home: So it sounds like the fault line should just pull back into 7i76 and abort ...
[16:54:01] <os1r1s2> Maybe disable the spindle too
[16:54:21] <enleth> if you want to depend on software for safety, yeah.
[16:54:26] <enleth> your call
[16:54:30] <enleth> I'm not going there
[16:55:06] <CaptHindsight> 6141 router, 1 better
[16:55:26] <os1r1s2> enleth: I'm just trying to understand. When you say control logic, do you mean from the breakout board or from the driver?
[16:55:54] <pcw_home> os1r1s2: thats the normal thing, if you want to disable servo power there may be a bootstrap issue to get the system up
[16:57:14] <enleth> os1r1s2: wait, when did I say that?
[16:57:37] <pcw_home> a servo fault stops the drives independent of any other software, whether you want to tie this into the Estop logic is up to you
[16:57:52] <CaptHindsight> solosoft: if thats true then why the real time error?
[16:58:42] <enleth> Polymorphism: I'm afraid you're just going to find out that most of those desktop router-engraver-whatnot-thingies are about as good for cutting aluminum as if they were made out of jello and well cooked noodle
[16:59:19] <enleth> pcw_home: is there any plausible reason not to do that?
[16:59:25] <Polymorphism> even thin alumnium like this enleth
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/154/924/510/510924154_629.JPG
[16:59:25] <Polymorphism> ?
[16:59:30] <Polymorphism> top, and end plates
[17:00:23] <enleth> Polymorphism: unfortunately, unless you're OK with the machine making horrible noises, leaving the cut edges ugly and dulling tools unreasonalby fast
[17:00:42] <pcw_home> Yes it often makes very awkward bootstrap issues unless the control and servo bus power are independent
[17:00:43] <os1r1s2> pcw_home: I'm using clearpath motors which have an embedded driver in them. So if I remove the power, I'm removing the power from both driver and motor.
[17:01:03] <Polymorphism> enleth, I'd like fairly clean edges although I could sand them smooth I just nedt he parts to fit...
[17:01:03] <CaptHindsight> I'd get the Nomad and then come back and talk about this in 6 months
[17:01:07] <Polymorphism> dulling tools doesnt sound good
[17:01:15] <Polymorphism> I called about nomad, they didnt answer
[17:01:19] <Polymorphism> not happy about that
[17:01:25] <enleth> pcw_home: ah, OK, I just assumed that control power being separate is a given
[17:01:29] <Polymorphism> inventables answered right away and said theiur machine is unsuitabnle for my needs
[17:01:45] <Polymorphism> horrible noises are fine
[17:01:49] <Polymorphism> rough edges ok but not ideal
[17:01:52] <Polymorphism> dulling tools, meh
[17:02:08] <Polymorphism> if it works it works...
[17:02:12] <Polymorphism> I dont want to abuse a machine though
[17:02:17] <Polymorphism> I want the right tool for this job
[17:02:24] <Polymorphism> even if it costs big $$$
[17:02:27] <Polymorphism> but not too big
[17:02:29] <Polymorphism> under 4k
[17:02:29] <enleth> Polymorphism: hint: if it looks pretty, is being marketed with shiny renders and photos of the thing sitting on an office table, is being sold by something that touts being a "startup" and has a "startupy" vibe around it: it's shit.
[17:02:48] <Polymorphism> thats been my fear...
[17:02:57] <gregcnc> big$$ and 4k......
[17:03:04] <CaptHindsight> ebay search terms: cheap Chinese router Returns mostly wifi routers
[17:03:07] <Polymorphism> I consider 4k big money, yes
[17:03:15] <Polymorphism> I know money is relative
[17:03:16] <gregcnc> it's not in the machining world
[17:03:19] <Polymorphism> to me, thats a lot to invest
[17:03:23] <Polymorphism> I'm a student still
[17:03:44] <gregcnc> that's why it's probably cheaper to get someone else to do it
[17:03:48] <djdelorie> wait, my cnc router looks like crap, does that mean it's good? ;-)
[17:03:59] <enleth> pcw_home: but if you *do* have separate control power, doing an e-stop on a drive fault seems to be a sensible thing to do
[17:04:17] <enleth> pcw_home: if you really want to, you could still restart on the spot, maybe saving a part
[17:04:45] <pcw_home> Yeah, but it suspect the integrated drives you lose everything
[17:05:10] <Polymorphism> 6040 looks like a solid option so far
[17:05:16] <enleth> er, what?
[17:05:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Powerful-Small-Size-Four-Axes-CNC-Router-for-Lighter-Phone-Watch-Carving-/281913464215 $2900
[17:05:30] <Polymorphism> if the raptor is "only" 1500 more though, is it better?
[17:05:40] <pcw_home> so really depends on where your safety/ vs time recovering from nuisance trips balance is
[17:06:03] <Polymorphism> the working area is a little too small CaptHindsight
[17:06:14] <Polymorphism> I need 8x8 to 12x12"
[17:06:16] <gregcnc> capt the powerful and willful one sounds beter
[17:06:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-6090-CNC-Router-Engraver-Machine-23-6-x35-5-x4-WorkSize-Free-Ship-by-Sea-/131578979681 $2990
[17:06:38] <pcw_home> ( I worry a bit more about this on DC servos since a component failure can cause a runaway regardless of drive enables )
[17:06:50] <enleth> pcw_home: sure. I'd not be happy with the drives giving me "nuisance" faults though, surely there's a problem somewhere if they keep happening
[17:07:22] <CaptHindsight> I'd add a nameplate "Metal Mutilator 5K"
[17:07:29] <Polymorphism> that looks amazoing capricorn_1
[17:07:32] <Polymorphism> CaptHindsight,
[17:07:37] <Polymorphism> whats the catch?
[17:07:39] <enleth> pcw_home: DC servos here, this is *exactly* why I'm so insistent on cutting power on faults
[17:07:47] <Polymorphism> other than the fact it would look absurd in my apartment
[17:07:51] <Polymorphism> if it even fits
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[17:08:59] <malcom2073> Fwiw, do you have any idea how insanely loud these machines get?
[17:09:17] <Polymorphism> yes
[17:09:28] <Polymorphism> I would run them during the day for neighbors
[17:09:31] <Polymorphism> not night
[17:09:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/262330315038 2 mills for 1, keep 1, sell the other $4k
[17:09:47] <Polymorphism> this machine doesnt look like it would handle aluminum perhapps
[17:10:02] <Polymorphism> too far away
[17:10:12] <Polymorphism> but a used option might make sense..
[17:10:57] <enleth> pcw_home: and why I tested my mill by causing deliberate runaways, to see if the limit switches get it to stop if it ever decides to shoot the table through the wall for some reason. They do.
[17:11:44] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Okuma-MX-45VAE-CNC-Vertical-Machining-Center-NO-RESERVE-AUCTION-/162015206914
[17:12:30] <Polymorphism> thats out of my budget
[17:12:40] <Polymorphism> and realstically I need a smaller machine
[17:12:43] <Polymorphism> that can fit in an apartment
[17:13:18] <CaptHindsight> Polymorphism: that message with gregcnc on the front end, was for gregcnc
[17:13:19] <gregcnc> how muhc of the price of the product is the machining for the case?
[17:13:47] <CaptHindsight> Woodstock
[17:13:57] <gregcnc> needs spindle rebuild
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[17:14:26] <Polymorphism> CaptHindsight, like I said, out of my budget
[17:14:37] <gregcnc> would still be a reasonable price if the rest was OK.
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[17:16:57] <CaptHindsight> you can't help some people, some just have to learn the hard way on their own
[17:17:08] <CaptHindsight> and that's ok
[17:17:32] <gregcnc> polymorphism, if bringing the machining of that case in house is making or breaking profitability of this product it sound like the price is far too low
[17:18:27] <Polymorphism> I still need a way right now to continue prototyping
[17:18:33] <Polymorphism> before I even move to production
[17:18:39] <os1r1s2> enleth: I could always run the enable line through the e-stop so that it kills the drives outside of linuxcnc control.
[17:18:47] <Polymorphism> and now I'm faced with the option of a cnc that can do this, or buying a 100 dollar scroll saw
[17:18:53] <Polymorphism> and trying to do it by hand with adhesive templates
[17:19:05] <Polymorphism> the last time I just taped it on and it was a complete failure
[17:19:13] <gregcnc> is the case a functional part of the product?
[17:19:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cat-50-cnc-mill-tool-holders-/301897122354 "hand tossed into a box from across the room" $3200 or best
[17:19:30] <Polymorphism> if the case is professional enough I could sell one of these tomorrow
[17:19:37] <Polymorphism> if it looks like a sloppy hack job that wont fly
[17:19:58] <Polymorphism> CaptHindsight, lol
[17:20:20] <gregcnc> there are boxes like that on local CL too
[17:20:43] <gregcnc> that's my point about waiting 6 months
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[17:23:58] <enleth> os1r1s2: makes a lot of sense, but that's not related to fault signals, isn't it?
[17:24:18] <os1r1s2> enleth: Guess it isn't :)
[17:26:03] <maxcnc> im Off have a nice Eastern
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[17:28:30] <os1r1s2> Is the time for step and dir in microseconds or milliseconds?
[17:28:53] <pcw_home> nanoseconds
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[17:30:19] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: you wanted to know something about sheet metal work on a Chinese CNC6040?
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[17:36:16] <Loetmichel2> hrrrmpf... call from the mechanic: car is done. bill is "only" 3899.50€... will have to up my overdraft allowance for that :-(
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[17:36:37] <_methods> ouch
[17:37:03] <Tom_itx> or get another car
[17:37:20] <Loetmichel2> its a bit late for that, Tom_itx
[17:39:08] <Polymorphism> ok
[17:39:09] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel2: tell him all about cutting aluminum on the 6040
[17:39:14] <Polymorphism> I just talked to apollo from carbide 3d
[17:39:20] <Polymorphism> the nomad 883 sounds like a VERY nice option
[17:39:26] <Polymorphism> he claims it will do everything I'm asking
[17:39:31] <Polymorphism> and I will be making my first cut on day 1!!!
[17:39:59] <Tom_itx> claims are not always facts
[17:40:02] <CaptHindsight> _methods: ever notice how they behave and sound very similar, but new nick
[17:40:04] <Polymorphism> I think thats a little bit optimistic yeah
[17:40:06] <Polymorphism> about day 1
[17:40:10] <Polymorphism> but I think the machine might do what he says
[17:40:26] <Polymorphism> he told me hes cut 1/8" aluminum some titatium etc and he didnt sound like a liar
[17:40:28] <Tom_itx> what leads you to believe it will?
[17:40:30] <Polymorphism> it was nice to talk to a real person about it
[17:40:43] <Polymorphism> well he sounded honest to me
[17:40:59] <Polymorphism> he said the machine is geared towards those with no cnc experience
[17:41:03] <Tom_itx> must be a damn good salesman
[17:41:09] <CaptHindsight> _methods: keep asking until you hear what you want, suck up the attention
[17:41:11] <Polymorphism> he was
[17:41:30] <gregcnc> the machine doesn't know or care how much experience the operator has
[17:41:35] <Tom_itx> so _methods wtf's for lunch?
[17:41:38] <Polymorphism> thats why I like this machine
[17:41:41] <pcw_home> "promises are neither facts nor lies"
[17:41:43] <Polymorphism> the included software loks powerful
[17:42:34] <Polymorphism> I dunno
[17:42:37] <Polymorphism> I'm skeptical yeah
[17:42:46] <Polymorphism> but these guys also make it by hand
[17:42:50] <Polymorphism> software is included
[17:42:55] <Polymorphism> there is something to be said for this option
[17:43:02] <Polymorphism> I need to research more
[17:43:41] <Polymorphism> he basically said also, the shapeoko is nice, larger bed etc
[17:43:47] <Polymorphism> but if the nomad works for me, its the bettyer option
[17:43:57] <Polymorphism> they do seem quite different
[17:43:59] <CaptHindsight> same M.O.
[17:44:02] <Polymorphism> even though they are sold by the same company
[17:44:04] <Tom_itx> if i made it by hand i'd be proud too
[17:44:15] <Polymorphism> I'm sure I'll be paying a premium
[17:44:19] <Polymorphism> for a ready to run machine
[17:44:22] <Polymorphism> but maybe its fair
[17:44:27] <Polymorphism> thats what I'm trying to find out
[17:44:34] <Polymorphism> is this machine functional
[17:44:46] <Polymorphism> the pictures make it look amazing
[17:45:05] <Tom_itx> that's the marketing dept
[17:45:24] <Polymorphism> oh cool
[17:45:25] <Polymorphism> http://instagify.com/user/apolloness/998997889
[17:45:28] <Polymorphism> this is the guy I just talked to
[17:46:12] <Polymorphism> the parts being produced look quality
[17:46:21] <Polymorphism> the bed is only 8"x8" but I trhink I could work with that
[17:46:28] <Polymorphism> and z just 3"
[17:46:37] <Polymorphism> only one of my enclosures wouldnt fit
[17:46:49] <Tom_itx> so if you put a 3" tool in you have 0 clearance
[17:47:09] <JT-Shop> lol
[17:47:19] <Tom_itx> hey JT-Shop
[17:47:22] <Polymorphism> is that the case?
[17:47:26] <djdelorie> all this talk about needing 12x12 and now you're going with 8x8 ?
[17:47:35] <JT-Shop> hey Tom_itx
[17:47:37] <Polymorphism> djdelorie, this optuion is different than the others
[17:47:41] <Tom_itx> get your trike back yet?
[17:47:48] <JT-Shop> the spyder sprung a leak last night lol
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[17:47:55] <JT-Shop> fetched it Tuesday
[17:48:02] <Tom_itx> good or bad news?
[17:48:08] <JT-Shop> 1,162 miles in 18.5hrs
[17:48:23] <Tom_itx> and how many tickets?
[17:48:39] <JT-Shop> good news, I have the extended warranty with $50 deductible... maybe I get a new engine
[17:48:46] <JT-Shop> none
[17:48:53] <Tom_itx> that would be super
[17:49:03] <Tom_itx> you should find out what happened though
[17:49:26] <JT-Shop> yea, it started to leak oil last night
[17:49:51] <Tom_itx> have you run it since you parked it?
[17:49:56] <JT-Shop> the service dept is real good where I take the Spyder to
[17:49:58] <Polymorphism> the actual working height is 3" - tool length?
[17:50:08] <Polymorphism> that could be a major issue
[17:50:14] <Tom_itx> yes it could be
[17:50:47] <JT-Shop> nope, when I pulled off of the I-310 bridge into the cubby hole that is the last time I ran it
[17:51:16] <Tom_itx> wonder why it just now sprung a leak
[17:52:15] <JT-Shop> dunno, unless it was leaking from the start and just now filled up whatever place it was leaking into
[17:54:11] <_methods> Tom_itx: i had some chicken salad
[17:54:12] <_methods> hehe
[17:54:14] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqXauMOhWos <- my 6040 in some 1.5mm AlMg3
[17:54:33] <Tom_itx> _methods, funny.. so did i but with bread around it
[17:54:42] <_methods> mmmmmm
[17:54:57] <JT-Shop> I had a wish sandwich
[17:55:08] <_methods> squish fished patty on a bun
[17:55:14] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWTTP0RomA0 <- some 3mm stock aluminium sheet
[17:55:15] <gregcnc> tuna melt yo
[17:55:24] <Polymorphism> thats the type of thing I need to do Loetmichel2
[17:55:49] <Polymorphism> thats exactly what I want to do!
[17:55:54] <Polymorphism> except a little bit smaller scale
[17:55:58] <Polymorphism> 12"x12"
[17:56:27] <Polymorphism> the 6040 looks nice...
[17:57:07] <Loetmichel2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6-YwG9dv7A <- some stepped holes in the side of 8mm wide al blocks (not osha-approved ;)
[17:57:52] <Polymorphism> I'm sold!!!
[17:58:02] <Polymorphism> whats the Z travel
[17:58:16] <Loetmichel2> 80mm above the vacuum table
[17:58:31] <Loetmichel2> i think 100++ wothout it
[17:58:49] <Polymorphism> so 80mm - tool length?
[17:58:52] <Polymorphism> is the working height
[17:58:59] <Loetmichel2> yes
[17:59:18] <Loetmichel2> you can move the spindle up, tho
[17:59:42] <Loetmichel2> so its clear of the workpiece INCLUDING the tool
[17:59:50] <Polymorphism> ??
[17:59:52] <Loetmichel2> z travel is about 120mm iirc
[17:59:54] <Polymorphism> oh right
[17:59:59] <Polymorphism> I wonder if thats true for the nomad machine as well
[18:00:07] <Polymorphism> I would think 3" working height is 3" working height
[18:00:14] <Polymorphism> I didnt realize I needed to subtract tool length
[18:00:19] <Loetmichel2> its just that the gantry only has 80mm left if you mount a 25mm thick vacuum table
[18:00:28] <Polymorphism> ah
[18:00:33] <Polymorphism> which vacuum table are you using?
[18:00:38] <Loetmichel2> selfbuild
[18:00:47] <Loetmichel2> 20mm thick PVC sheet
[18:00:48] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3D-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-6040-DESKTOP-1-5KW-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-USA-/131745451666
[18:00:50] <Polymorphism> is it this machine?
[18:00:53] <Loetmichel2> and 8mm thick PVC sheet
[18:01:01] <Loetmichel2> look here:
[18:01:17] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14682&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:01:24] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14685&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:01:27] <Loetmichel2> understand?
[18:01:42] <Loetmichel2> ... and a bunch of M4 nylon screws
[18:01:50] <Polymorphism> yes I see
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[18:03:20] <Loetmichel2> its easy, cheap... only needs a shitload of machine time ;)
[18:03:37] <Polymorphism> did you machine those pieces
[18:03:39] <Polymorphism> with the same machine
[18:03:47] <Loetmichel2> which pieces?
[18:03:58] <Polymorphism> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14682&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:04:00] <Polymorphism> where did you get that piece
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[18:04:16] <Loetmichel2> that was a 200m thick PVC sheet
[18:05:44] <Loetmichel2> glued in place with double sided tape. milled into that shape, then screwed to the rails beyond, then levelled, then the 8mm "top" sat on it, drilled the holes and and countersunk for the nylon screws, and then had the machine do the 3mm/0,8mm stepped drill grid
[18:05:57] <Loetmichel2> 20mm, not 200mm of course
[18:07:04] <Loetmichel2> the 8mm sheet will already hold when you apply the vaccum to the side holes (thats normal 10mm fish tank PVC tube btw)
[18:07:44] <Loetmichel2> so it basically does a "muenchhausen" and pulls itself out of the problems ;)
[18:08:03] <djdelorie> the ability of cnc machines to mill their own tables is wonderful :-)
[18:08:27] <Loetmichel2> only caveat is that milling away aboput 80% of that 20mm PVC sheet with an 1/8" mill bit takes quite a while ;)
[18:09:36] <Loetmichel2> djdelorie: i even to pieces up to 3 times the size the machine can mill...
[18:09:58] <Polymorphism> very cool
[18:10:39] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16182&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- just made a "puzzle" like nook at the sides
[18:10:50] <djdelorie> I have a set of gcode programs for mine that are used to install a new bed - levelling, recessed screws, etc.
[18:12:21] <Loetmichel2> here i did it for some 4mm thick AL sheet for a Vesa 400 mount:
[18:12:41] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15934&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:12:44] <Loetmichel2> see it?
[18:12:56] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15931&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- better?
[18:12:58] <Loetmichel2> :-)
[18:13:18] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15937&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- and mounted on the TV ;)
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[18:16:33] <__rob> what do you put on a mill table when your going to leave the mill for a while ?
[18:16:44] <__rob> to keep any rush spots at bay
[18:16:46] <cradek> wd40 works fine
[18:16:46] <__rob> rust
[18:16:51] <__rob> drys out pretty quick tho
[18:17:13] <cradek> I think that's fine, and it stays protected
[18:17:18] <Loetmichel2> i use way oil for that
[18:17:24] <Loetmichel2> friom the lathe
[18:17:30] <enleth> __rob: depends on how long the while is
[18:17:51] <Loetmichel2> wd40 is 90% petroleum
[18:18:00] <Loetmichel2> and evaporates in lesst than a week
[18:18:12] <Loetmichel2> so if you are back inside a week its fine
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[18:18:26] <Loetmichel2> if you stay away longer: better use some thick oil.
[18:21:53] <_methods> lps2
[18:21:57] <_methods> that stuff is awesome
[18:21:59] <_methods> but expensive
[18:22:44] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/LPS-Labs-00216-Heavy-Duty-Lubricant/dp/B000SKZKC0
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[18:24:35] <enleth> or maybe good old cosmoline?
[18:25:11] <__rob> wacked on a bit of way lube
[18:25:15] <__rob> should be good for a bit
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[18:27:50] <Crom> crap over drawn to the hills
[18:29:54] <Polymorphism> wow
[18:29:57] <Polymorphism> thats a nice machine Loetmichel2 !!!
[18:29:59] <Polymorphism> and nice work
[18:30:24] <Polymorphism> I'm convinced
[18:30:32] <Polymorphism> you could cut modular pieces?
[18:30:40] <Polymorphism> and build an entire motorcycle frame?
[18:30:42] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkvSfTMIB04&feature=youtu.be
[18:30:53] <_methods> science
[18:30:53] <_methods> lol
[18:31:36] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: i would not trust a motorcycle frame I made
[18:31:37] <_methods> sure go ahead and do that in the house
[18:31:41] <Loetmichel2> other than that: why not?
[18:31:54] <Polymorphism> this machine made these parts?
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[18:32:54] <Polymorphism> that mount is awesome
[18:32:56] <Polymorphism> I'm sold
[18:33:01] <Polymorphism> I have a tv I wanted a mount for
[18:33:11] <Polymorphism> even one extra use and I'm certain I need a cnc
[18:33:16] <Polymorphism> plus I could make a new neck for my guitar?
[18:33:19] <Polymorphism> or not enough work area
[18:33:30] <Polymorphism> and cut my own pcb with this machine?
[18:33:34] <Polymorphism> my primary use is this
[18:33:35] <Polymorphism> http://enclosuresandcasesinc.com/images/split_04.jpg
[18:33:37] <Polymorphism> take this enclosure
[18:33:41] <Polymorphism> and make it a professional product
[18:33:56] <Loetmichel2> hihi
[18:34:02] <Loetmichel2> you mean like these?
[18:34:04] <Polymorphism> https://www.amphenolcanada.com/ProductSearch/drawings/AC/MUSBD111XX.pdf
[18:34:07] <Polymorphism> I need cuts like these Loetmichel2
[18:34:13] <Polymorphism> in that type of enclosure
[18:34:13] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14160&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:34:26] <Polymorphism> yes!!!!!!!!!!
[18:34:26] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14247
[18:34:27] <Polymorphism> at last
[18:34:32] <Polymorphism> yes!!!
[18:34:33] <os1r1s2> pcw_home I'm getting an error ./pm25test.hal:25: Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.output-00' does not exist
[18:34:38] <Polymorphism> I'm trying to start a business
[18:34:44] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14250&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:34:49] <os1r1s2> Is there anything special to do to reference sserial ports?
[18:34:49] <Polymorphism> and I want to produce my enclosures mostly in house
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[18:35:04] <Polymorphism> yes!!!
[18:35:08] <Polymorphism> and also cuts for lcd display, etc
[18:35:26] <Loetmichel2> thats what i do for a living ;)
[18:35:26] <Polymorphism> http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1yOXsIpXXXXXhXpXXq6xXFXXXT/Flanged-Split-body-font-b-Extruded-b-font-font-b-Aluminum-b-font-Box-Enclosure-font.jpg
[18:35:52] <Polymorphism> did you engrave the labels?
[18:35:53] <Polymorphism> with the machine
[18:36:01] <Polymorphism> on that acrylic plate
[18:36:34] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16050&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- made this lately for a customer
[18:36:53] <Polymorphism> yes!
[18:37:04] <Polymorphism> I wantg to do one-off and small batch professional electronic devices
[18:37:13] <Polymorphism> and make the enclosures in house
[18:37:20] <Polymorphism> either by machining those extruded aluminum china enclosures
[18:37:23] <Polymorphism> with the cutouts I need
[18:37:25] <Polymorphism> and engraving labels
[18:37:27] <Loetmichel2> the labels are 2mm acrylic sheet, spray painted blue from the back side and then engraved from behind
[18:37:35] <Polymorphism> or, by making the entire enclosure from scratch
[18:37:56] <Polymorphism> http://www.cbttechnology.com/images/products/enclosures/GS3517-extruded-auminum-enclosure-base.jpg
[18:38:06] <Polymorphism> I was thinking engraving this deep enough would go below the dye in the anodizing
[18:38:11] <Polymorphism> and become a silver text
[18:38:16] <Loetmichel2> yes, it does
[18:38:27] <Polymorphism> okm what do I need???
[18:38:32] <Polymorphism> my budget is 4000 usd
[18:38:43] <Loetmichel2> fo that isdn router i needed some "see thru" labels tho
[18:38:58] <Polymorphism> for the leds?
[18:39:00] <Loetmichel2> so i used the "back engraving acrylics" route
[18:39:06] <Loetmichel2> exactly
[18:39:11] <Polymorphism> http://enclosuresandcasesinc.com/images/split_04.jpg
[18:39:16] <Polymorphism> do you need a vacuum plate for those end panels?
[18:39:20] <Polymorphism> or can they be fixtured in another way
[18:40:03] <Loetmichel2> ah, for you PCB question:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16167&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:40:41] <Loetmichel2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMXxjT4nNxg
[18:40:56] <Loetmichel2> vacuum plate would be the easiest
[18:41:20] <Loetmichel2> but a MDF or PVC sacrificial plate and double sided tape would do as well
[18:42:06] <Polymorphism> thats what I was envisioning
[18:42:18] <Polymorphism> cutting slightly deeper than the part depth into a disposable material below
[18:42:38] <Polymorphism> wow
[18:42:40] <Polymorphism> pcb milling!
[18:42:42] <Polymorphism> yes I need to do this
[18:42:53] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel2: That router casing, was it to 'harden' a consumer-type product or was it to develop your own router?
[18:43:12] <Loetmichel2> FinboySlick: hardened consumer product ;)
[18:43:28] <Loetmichel2> hardened as in "tempest-attack-proof"
[18:43:51] <Polymorphism> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14160&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:43:51] <Loetmichel2> No more EM hints from this device
[18:43:52] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel2: What's the typical cost of a project like that?
[18:43:57] <Polymorphism> did you make those from scratcH?
[18:44:09] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: sure
[18:44:12] <Polymorphism> with the 6040?
[18:44:16] <Loetmichel2> lemme think
[18:44:18] <Polymorphism> what was the material you used to start with
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[18:44:39] <FinboySlick> I imagine companies that worry about EMI snooping have pretty deep pockets.
[18:45:14] <Polymorphism> is that steel?
[18:45:48] <Loetmichel2> for 20 of these about 100€ in 1,5mm sheet aluminium, two or three 2mm mill bits broken for 5€ a pop, and about 2 days on the mill
[18:45:53] <Loetmichel2> aluminium
[18:46:12] <Loetmichel2> 1,5mm thick AlMg3 to be precise
[18:46:45] <Loetmichel2> FinboySlick: i mostly work for .mil and .gov
[18:47:24] <Loetmichel2> we have VERY few cuistomers who are not one of those ;)
[18:47:32] <Polymorphism> is the machine upgraded?
[18:48:02] <Loetmichel2> a bit
[18:48:15] <Loetmichel2> had to change the motor couplers after a year
[18:48:17] <Loetmichel2> boken
[18:48:22] <Loetmichel2> broke off
[18:48:24] <Loetmichel2> all three
[18:48:43] <Loetmichel2> and had the gantty lifted up 15mm
[18:48:58] <Loetmichel2> to that the 4th axis fits under it
[18:49:22] <Polymorphism> did yhou purcahse on ebay?
[18:49:27] <Loetmichel2> ah, and have mounted limit7reference switches
[18:49:31] <Loetmichel2> yes, i did
[18:49:31] <Polymorphism> and do you recommend this machine?
[18:49:40] <Polymorphism> if you were purchasing a new one today
[18:49:50] <Loetmichel2> yes, for light work its the best bang for the buck you will get
[18:50:03] <Loetmichel2> wouldnt recommend it for steel work tho
[18:50:12] <Polymorphism> ok
[18:50:16] <Loetmichel2> it IS possible but the machine doesent like it at all
[18:50:16] <Polymorphism> I'm assuming that would cost a lot more
[18:50:25] <Polymorphism> I'm ok with just 4mm aluminum
[18:50:37] <Polymorphism> is the 3040 the same machine with just a smaller work area?
[18:51:03] <Loetmichel2> sadly: not
[18:51:33] <Loetmichel2> it has no supported rails and often no ballscrews (just acme instead)
[18:51:45] <Loetmichel2> also the "spindle" you get with the 3040 is trash
[18:51:51] <Polymorphism> wow
[18:52:00] <Polymorphism> so the 6040 is THE machine to go with for these china machines
[18:52:09] <Polymorphism> on a budget of 4000 or less, with less being spent the better
[18:52:30] <Loetmichel2> only buy these machines with supported rails at least on y, with ballscrews and the 800W watercooled 3p AC spindle
[18:52:39] <Loetmichel2> yes
[18:52:54] <Polymorphism> not the air cooled 800w?
[18:53:18] <Loetmichel2> never seen them with the air cooled AC spindle
[18:53:46] <Not-Renny> Heh. Is it possible to bootstrap a CNC machine using a tiny lathe and a 3d printer? :P
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[18:53:59] <Not-Renny> CNC mill*
[18:54:00] <Loetmichel2> they usually come wiehter with a DC motor with a loooong ER44 colled pressed on ("400W air cooled spindle") or with the 800W water cooled one
[18:54:07] <Loetmichel2> the latter is a real spindle
[18:54:14] <witnit> I have no use for this, but I really want it
[18:54:15] <witnit> https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/tls/5488734317.html
[18:54:59] <malcom2073> Not-Renny: There are a couple thingiverse 3d printed cnc machines
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[18:55:20] <malcom2073> you could, in theory, make one out of plastic, make wood parts, make one out of wood, make metal parts, make one out of metal, make better metal parts, repeat
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[18:55:28] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, what do you think of this unit
http://www.omiocnc.com/x4-800-4a/
[18:56:37] <Not-Renny> This is how I will build my factory, malcom2073 :P
[18:56:46] <malcom2073> :)
[18:57:12] <Not-Renny> I will need a machine to manufacture steel and ceramic bearings.
[18:57:31] <Polymorphism> these machines look way nicer than the nomad
[18:57:38] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: no supported rails in y
[18:57:42] <Not-Renny> Diamond powder is cheap enough, but the diamond impregnated bits seem ungodly expensive.
[18:57:49] <Loetmichel2> and frankly it would be to small for my taste
[18:58:48] <Polymorphism> I see
[18:59:55] <Loetmichel2> when you work with sheet metal a lot you will notice how big the parts are before you do the "origami"...
[19:00:17] <Loetmichel2> you will run into the limits opf your machine sooner or later
[19:00:25] <Loetmichel2> with the small one more sooner ;)
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[19:01:17] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: for this 19" 2u enclosure i had to split the bottom and top lid... and the sides had to be milled diagonally to fit onto the machine...
[19:01:30] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16182&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[19:01:46] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16179&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[19:01:58] <Polymorphism> ah, I see
[19:02:02] <Polymorphism> I will go with the larger machine
[19:02:13] <Polymorphism> I'm not sure what you mean by supported y though
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[19:02:38] <Polymorphism> how did you bend that metal
[19:03:19] <Loetmichel2> http://www.amazon.com/SBR12-1000mm-Supported-Linear-SBR12UU-BlockbEARING/dp/B00EBUXBKG <- these are supported rails
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[19:03:45] <Polymorphism> ok
[19:03:51] <Loetmichel2> the smaller machines use simple 16mm or 20mm cylindrical bars only supported at the ends
[19:04:01] <Loetmichel2> so they bend on the long run
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[19:04:26] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Router-3Axis-CNC-6040-2-2KW-Spindle-With-Ballscrew-Router-Machine-US-Stock-/201544611555
[19:04:31] <Polymorphism> this one is a junk imitation right
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[19:05:39] <Sync> no, that's the "real deal"
[19:05:43] <Polymorphism> really?
[19:05:48] <Polymorphism> it looks too cheap
[19:05:52] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: i mill a slot a the bends into half the material thinckness and bend it by hand
[19:06:00] <Sync> they are shitty mills, but they are cheap
[19:06:15] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: its the real thing. seems to be a bit cheap tho
[19:06:27] <Polymorphism> I love this price
[19:06:28] <Polymorphism> !!!
[19:06:37] <Loetmichel2> usually these sets go away for a bit short of $2k
[19:06:43] <Polymorphism> thats what I thought
[19:06:49] <Polymorphism> so paying 1/4 of that sounds great
[19:07:03] <Polymorphism> oh
[19:07:05] <Polymorphism> its current bid!!!!
[19:07:31] <Loetmichel2> yeah
[19:09:41] <Polymorphism> the 2.2k spindle?
[19:09:44] <Polymorphism> some say 1.5k
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[19:10:26] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRO-1-5KW-3-AXIS-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-MACHINE-DRILLING-MILLING-6040-USA-/331787662821
[19:10:28] <Polymorphism> like this
[19:12:36] <Loetmichel2> looks ok to me
[19:12:48] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3D-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-6040-DESKTOP-4AXIS-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-US-/221354177332?hash=item3389bcb334:g:yoIAAOSwm8VUyYZi
[19:12:54] <Polymorphism> this one has the black box instead of white, which did you get?
[19:13:04] <Polymorphism> and is the 4th axis any good?
[19:13:04] <Loetmichel2> the spindle is aviable in 800W, 1.5kw and 2.2kw
[19:13:16] <Polymorphism> do you suggest the 2.2k?
[19:13:19] <Loetmichel2> the 2.2 kw is IMHO a bit fat for that light frame
[19:13:26] <Loetmichel2> the other two are ok
[19:13:39] <Loetmichel2> i never used more than about 400W of mine ;)
[19:14:03] <Polymorphism> hmm
[19:14:06] <Polymorphism> a lot of choices to make
[19:14:21] <Loetmichel2> you cant use that much torque on small mill bits anyway... the frame will distort if you do
[19:14:50] <Loetmichel2> so you usuall ymake light passes (0.2mm deep) and to a lot of them
[19:15:05] <Polymorphism> oh
[19:15:30] <Loetmichel2> to keep the the "sprigyness" of the gantry out of your part measurements ;)
[19:18:31] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: there you see me working thru an 8mm thick sheet of aluminium... remote ;)
[19:18:37] <Loetmichel2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u_ChO1AKYY
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[19:20:27] <Polymorphism> this is what I need
[19:21:01] <Loetmichel2> you do understand what i mean with "light passes and more of them"?
[19:21:09] <Polymorphism> yes
[19:21:25] <Polymorphism> I wont even be working wtih alum this think
[19:21:27] <Polymorphism> thick
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[19:26:55] <Polymorphism> this is going to be great
[19:27:33] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-MACH3-CNC-8060-3-axis-1500W-ROUTER-ENGRAVING-Machine-110-220VAC-/291708908156?hash=item43eb34b27c:g:fvgAAOSwwpdW5sYz
[19:27:38] <Polymorphism> I wonder if the larger model is worth the cost
[19:28:04] <Polymorphism> looks like a lot more money
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[19:31:44] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: i doubt it
[19:32:14] <Loetmichel2> 600mm in the gantry without a supported rail is prone to be even weaker than the 400 on the 6040
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[19:33:26] <Loetmichel2> notice that i have my 6040 mounted on the table... ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14139 <- and not with few screws...
[19:33:34] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4axis-6040-CNC-router-DRILLING-MILLING-ENGRAVER-mill-MACHINE-800W-USB-adapter-/131760985341?hash=item1ead9114fd:g:3GwAAOSwL7VWi292
[19:33:39] <Loetmichel2> that move made it a LOT stiffer...
[19:33:39] <Polymorphism> am I seeing this wrong
[19:33:52] <Polymorphism> or are they advertising this as coming with usb adapter, but its actually a usb charger
[19:33:56] <Polymorphism> looks deceptive
[19:34:11] <Polymorphism> I see
[19:35:22] <Loetmichel2> yeah, but at least they say below that it is a charger and that the PC must have a real LPT port
[19:35:44] <Polymorphism> which control box do you have?
[19:35:55] <Loetmichel2> but they are wrong with the notebooks
[19:36:01] <Polymorphism> above though it says "free usb adapter" when its not a usb adapter
[19:36:04] <Loetmichel2> i used quite a few, most work
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[19:36:19] <Loetmichel2> only some have some problems with powersaving interrupts
[19:36:38] <Loetmichel2> i have a second hand PC on it
[19:37:04] <Loetmichel2> with an athlon64x2 @ 3ghz
[19:37:07] <Loetmichel2> not really fast
[19:37:28] <Loetmichel2> but fast enough to do LinuxCNC AND the encoding for the webcam ;)
[19:38:11] <Polymorphism> is linuxcnc an alternative to mach 3?
[19:38:29] <Loetmichel2> imho its not only an alternative, its way better
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[19:38:39] <Loetmichel2> its also free and more modular than mach3
[19:38:43] <Polymorphism> so I don't need to budget 150 for software
[19:38:54] <Loetmichel2> no
[19:39:00] <alibama> where does one find post processor files - my buddy has a haas om2a - i’m looking to test it with linuxcnc
[19:39:20] <Crom> Tormach dropped Mach3 and went to Pathpilot a LinuxCNC based controller
[19:39:42] <Polymorphism> I like the tormach 440 but out of budget
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[19:40:52] <Polymorphism> this is going to be great
[19:41:01] <Polymorphism> 6 months though before I cut my first part? that sounds like a bit much
[19:41:08] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: the tormach 440 is made for hard steel work
[19:41:29] <Loetmichel2> its a whole different machine than a gantry made of aluminium
[19:41:29] <Polymorphism> I see
[19:41:34] <Polymorphism> like a rifle barrel
[19:41:39] <Polymorphism> ?
[19:41:43] <Loetmichel2> for example
[19:41:58] <Loetmichel2> or complex cast iron parts and stuff
[19:42:02] <Polymorphism> I don't need to do anything like that
[19:42:12] <Loetmichel2> its meant to do hard work with laaarge mill bits
[19:42:23] <Loetmichel2> not meant to do wide area with light cuts
[19:42:31] <Polymorphism> the most I might want to do is thin steel
[19:42:45] <Polymorphism> http://c1.zzounds.com/media/fit,2018by3200/quality,85/Saffire6USB_RightNew-f95a2946d059b8f013046bc860253583.jpg
[19:42:48] <Polymorphism> an enclosure like this
[19:42:49] <Loetmichel2> thats what the CHinese gantry mills are made for
[19:43:06] <Loetmichel2> you can do steel
[19:43:13] <Loetmichel2> but you have to cut very lightly
[19:43:44] <Loetmichel2> i usually do less than 0.1mm per cut in steel
[19:44:19] <Polymorphism> no problem
[19:44:27] <Polymorphism> what about parallel vs usb?
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[19:46:33] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15093&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- these are made of zinc clad steel because i wanted to solder the corners shut
[19:46:58] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: LinuxCNC uses the LPT port to do kind of a "bit bang" to the stepper drivers
[19:47:02] <Polymorphism> thats fantastic....
[19:47:07] <Polymorphism> and you score and bend you said??
[19:47:20] <Polymorphism> so linuxcnc is parallel only?
[19:47:40] <Loetmichel2> and an usb -> lpüt converter has a round trip time of about 1 second. not that good for realtime bitbanging... ;)
[19:47:48] <Polymorphism> ok
[19:47:55] <Loetmichel2> no, you can use some USB based controllers, too
[19:47:55] <Polymorphism> I wont look for a usb mill then
[19:48:08] <Loetmichel2> and some DSP cards
[19:48:15] <Loetmichel2> made for CNC
[19:48:37] <Loetmichel2> i think one of the developers of said cards is here in the channel
[19:48:58] <_methods> http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=109
[19:49:02] <Loetmichel2> but for a CNC 6040 a PCI LPT card will do nicely
[19:49:02] <_methods> $11 quad core lol
[19:49:03] <enleth> Polymorphism: it's not "parallel only", but rather USB is unsuitable for this
[19:49:13] <cradek> linuxcnc has lots of interfacing options - the parallel port is only one
[19:49:24] <enleth> Polymorphism: there are other options besides parallel and USB, but they're expensive
[19:49:28] <cradek> also ethernet cards, pci cards, pci express cards
[19:49:47] <cradek> some are way under $100
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[19:53:56] <Polymorphism> ok I'll stick with LPT
[19:54:42] <Polymorphism> wow that board looks great
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[19:54:52] <Polymorphism> you just cost me $11
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[19:55:26] <_methods> the $30 one is pretty cool too
[19:55:31] <_methods> a9 1gb ram
[19:55:37] <_methods> the m2
[19:56:38] <Polymorphism> also interesting
[19:59:05] <Polymorphism> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15084&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[19:59:07] <Polymorphism> did the machine cause this
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[20:00:57] <Polymorphism> I'm going to build a quadcopter with the machine
[20:01:31] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: no
[20:02:07] <Loetmichel2> that was me being a bit less carfiul with a cutter knife
[20:02:10] <alibama> so i’m trying to use program a haas om2a 4 axis mill with linuxcnc - what files do I need to download to do this? I was told it’s called a post processor file?
[20:03:34] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: you mean something like this? ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12997&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[20:04:17] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8241 <- or this
[20:04:21] <Polymorphism> yes!!!
[20:04:33] <Polymorphism> now I'm sure I need the machine
[20:04:39] <Deejay> :)
[20:04:46] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5171 <- or this
[20:04:49] <gregcnc> alibama you installed linuxcnc on a haas om2?
[20:04:56] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5177
[20:04:58] <Loetmichel2> :-)
[20:05:02] <Polymorphism> is that aluminum channel that you milled Loetmichel2 ?
[20:05:05] <Polymorphism> to reduce weight
[20:05:30] <alibama> gregcnc: that’s what I would like to do - my buddy at the engineering school has one and I’m interested in testing it with linuxcnc
[20:05:32] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7495&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[20:05:34] <Loetmichel2> :-)
[20:05:44] <gregcnc> why
[20:05:44] <Polymorphism> !
[20:05:47] <Loetmichel2> thats square aluminium tube, yes
[20:05:53] <Simonious> alibama: take good notes if you do! I've got a HAAS here and I find the idea interesting for sure
[20:06:05] <gregcnc> what happend to the original control?
[20:06:21] <alibama> gregcnc: not sure
[20:06:43] <Polymorphism> it took 4 operations??
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[20:06:52] <Polymorphism> or could you attach that to the 4th axis
[20:06:53] <Simonious> gregcnc: would it be so wrong to remove that monolith and run it with EMC2 instead?
[20:06:57] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: actually 8 operations
[20:06:58] <Polymorphism> some of these machines have 4 axis for a similar price
[20:07:03] <Loetmichel2> my home CNC is to small
[20:07:05] <alibama> actually for all I know it’s still working
[20:07:22] <gregcnc> on a relatively new 60k+ usd machine?
[20:07:30] <gregcnc> why
[20:07:48] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: had to rotate it 8 times
[20:07:49] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11744
[20:07:51] <Loetmichel2> each one
[20:08:00] <alibama> I’m just interested in generating g-code for it and thought I needed those files to control it…
[20:08:22] <gregcnc> what are you doing exactly?
[20:08:30] <Polymorphism> I shoould budget extra for tools and clamps and other things, how much am I looking at for required accessories
[20:08:37] <gregcnc> using CAM to generate gcode?
[20:09:24] <alibama> gregcnc: yes - let me point out that i don’t know what the heck i’m talking about :)
[20:09:36] <gregcnc> so what are you trying to do
[20:10:03] <alibama> ultimately - just mill some small aluminum parts, and i need to generate g-code from my dxf
[20:10:30] <CaptHindsight> so what have we decided on? Less time was spent planning the invasion of Normandy.
[20:10:41] <gregcnc> so using some cam you need a proper post to generate usable code for that machine
[20:10:42] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: btw: that last copter got a few "ufo" calls to the local police. i think it wasnt the brightest idea to test it at night ;-)
http://www.cyrom.org/MC/nachtflugtest_.avi
[20:11:01] <gregcnc> that all depends on the CAM software
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[20:12:47] <Polymorphism> xD
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[20:13:46] <Polymorphism> and this machine is the last thing I ever need to buy
[20:13:52] <Polymorphism> then I can make everything from now on
[20:14:12] <Polymorphism> how do I secure things to the table? where do I begin
[20:14:17] <gregcnc> Capt the winner is 3d printing in reverse to see just how long it can take to make parts only a few mm thick
[20:14:24] <Polymorphism> I should spend some time learning now whil I wait for shipping
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[20:17:30] <Polymorphism> looks like it was 1700 usd in august 2015
[20:17:33] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: starting with 6" plate
[20:17:34] <Polymorphism> now available for 1200 usd?
[20:18:13] <_methods> is that like a reverse mortgage
[20:18:18] <_methods> reverse 3d printing
[20:18:29] <gregcnc> 3D unprinting
[20:18:38] <_methods> hehe
[20:18:41] <_methods> aka machining
[20:18:42] <CaptHindsight> _methods: yes, but tooless
[20:19:50] <CaptHindsight> like a pipe unbender
[20:19:54] <XXCoder> gregcnc: 3d unprinters exist
[20:19:58] <_methods> i want to get a reverse mortgage on someone elses house
[20:20:02] <XXCoder> few of em by now
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[20:20:41] <XXCoder> it takes shredded remains of 3d printed object and makes strand out of em
[20:20:54] <_methods> shredded lettuce
[20:21:32] <CaptHindsight> undrill bits
[20:21:46] <gregcnc> are those lefthanded?
[20:21:52] <_methods> hehe
[20:22:03] <XXCoder> lol
[20:22:05] <_methods> double lead left handed undrill bit
[20:22:09] <CaptHindsight> not sure but unsaw blades are
[20:22:21] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: for starters: buy a thick sheet of particle board or MDF
[20:22:22] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: weld
[20:22:25] <gregcnc> down cut left handed undrill
[20:22:30] <Loetmichel2> and some double sided carpet tape
[20:22:38] <Loetmichel2> and glue your parts to the machine
[20:22:49] <Loetmichel2> its the easiest to get level
[20:23:04] <CaptHindsight> I though double sided carpet tape was for double sided carpets
[20:23:13] <Loetmichel2> and buy at least a 16mm or bigger if you get them wood router bit with a 6mm shaft
[20:23:51] <Loetmichel2> so you can level the particle board/MDF on your machine in a time that will not see your retirement ;)
[20:24:06] <_methods> http://uploads.neatorama.com/images/posts/217/89/89217/1458828354-0.jpg
[20:24:09] <DaViruz> i've never seen a single sided carpet
[20:24:16] <DaViruz> that would be like a mobius carbet
[20:24:23] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, which controller do you use
[20:24:29] <XXCoder> DaViruz: easy to make one
[20:24:32] <Loetmichel2> the one that came with the machine
[20:24:39] <Polymorphism> is it the white, blue, or black box?
[20:24:39] <DaViruz> not very practical
[20:25:08] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14148&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[20:25:10] <XXCoder> yeah. though very long belts at factories to convey stuff usually is a mobius strips
[20:25:16] <Loetmichel2> does that answer your question=?
[20:25:16] <XXCoder> both sides = twice life
[20:25:17] <CaptHindsight> so 6040 or 4060 router, which one is better?
[20:25:25] <XXCoder> or rather one side
[20:26:46] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, yes, ty
[20:27:51] <Polymorphism> did you make the cart?
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[20:28:12] <Loetmichel2> it was an old computer cart i just fitted with a bigger top
[20:28:49] <Loetmichel2> and some struts because it "nicked" forward when the weight of the particle board top and the machine was on it ;)
[20:31:17] <CaptHindsight> $9 for a cobalt 3/16" 2 flute double end mill
[20:32:58] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3D-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-6040-DESKTOP-4AXIS-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-US-/221354177332 ----
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-four-4-axis-6040-1500W-cnc-router-engraver-engraving-milling-machine-desktop-/221763760469 ----
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3D-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-6040-DESKTOP-1-5KW-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-USA-/131745451666
[20:33:08] <Polymorphism> I guess I've narrowed it down to these 3 options
[20:34:01] <Polymorphism> is that usb one worth it?
[20:34:04] <Polymorphism> and how do the other two compare
[20:34:11] <Polymorphism> it looks like just a different control box
[20:34:39] <Polymorphism> ah also 800w vs 1.5kw spincle
[20:35:03] <CaptHindsight> https://imagebin.ca/v/2apzmk7rpwvC
[20:35:54] <Polymorphism> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16191
[20:35:57] <Polymorphism> and is this going to happen to me!?
[20:36:39] <CaptHindsight> https://imagebin.ca/v/2TYvESEACWSs
[20:36:42] <Sync> it could
[20:39:29] <CaptHindsight> could be worse, look what happened to this guy
http://roark.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Frankenstein_research_002.jpg
[20:40:51] <gregcnc> how many years of machining does that to you?
[20:41:59] <malcom2073> gregcnc: Couple of milliseconds in the wrong place :)
[20:43:55] <gregcnc> reminds me of that guy wrapped up in the lathe
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[20:46:14] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, can you linkl those enclopsures again please
[20:48:00] <CaptHindsight> watching Young Frankenstein clips now
[20:48:43] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: this will only happen if you are not careful with the deburr tool ;)
[20:49:26] <Loetmichel2> which one?
[20:49:54] <Loetmichel2> which enclosure?
[20:50:07] <Loetmichel2> dont you have a scrollback in your IRC client?
[20:50:27] <Loetmichel2> gregcnc: what? the small cut in the palm?
[20:50:34] <Loetmichel2> its not even 2" wide...
[20:50:41] <Loetmichel2> only 8 stitches
[20:51:04] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/qzetgnZtcHs?t=34s Tom Balding Frightful Machine Accident - Cuts Finger almost off!
[20:51:09] <gregcnc> no, malcolm2073 comment
[20:52:30] <gregcnc> is there not a better way to deburr you parts?
[20:52:33] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/qOSdSKyxhhI?t=1m18s it's all fun a games until...
[20:52:55] <gregcnc> better = safer
[20:54:56] <Loetmichel2> gregcnc: i could for examle not pull the deburr tool towards me and work away from me instead
[20:55:12] <malcom2073> Lol nice CaptHindsight
[20:55:16] <Loetmichel2> i slipped from an edge with the tool and hit my hand at full force
[20:55:17] <malcom2073> I love those videos, the acting is amazing
[20:55:50] <Loetmichel2> lucky that the tip of the deburr tool is dull, so it only severed the skin an the fat, the muscle underneath it was unharmed
[20:56:07] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, I can't scroll back that far for some reason
[20:57:26] <Polymorphism> wow
[20:57:30] <Polymorphism> that video is the argument for cnc
[20:57:32] <Polymorphism> I'm sold
[20:57:43] <gregcnc> what
[20:58:06] <Polymorphism> hes machining something by hand, right?
[20:58:11] <malcom2073> Looks CNC
[20:58:11] <gregcnc> so
[20:58:19] <Polymorphism> so theres the problem
[20:58:23] <Polymorphism> I will lose a finger if I do that
[20:58:26] <Polymorphism> guaranteed
[20:58:31] <gregcnc> assuming CNC won't kill you is a problem
[20:58:58] <malcom2073> CNC is *more* dangerous than manual milling I'd say, since the machine can move itself
[20:59:15] <Polymorphism> well from what I understand thought here wouldnt be any reason to put fingers anywhere near the machine
[20:59:16] <Polymorphism> once its running
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[20:59:28] <Polymorphism> -t
[20:59:28] <malcom2073> That has nothing to do with CNC
[20:59:35] <malcom2073> You put your fingers in the same places at the same times for CNC vs manual milling
[20:59:38] <Loetmichel2> my old teacher said: "even the prettiest machine is a soulless monster that only waits for a moment of unawareness to kill you!"
[20:59:53] <malcom2073> Which btw, is *NOWHERE NEAR* anything moving
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[21:00:42] <Polymorphism> I will follow safe practices
[21:01:01] <CaptHindsight> let someone else do it
[21:01:18] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: BTW: THAT ws the CNC mill: (or rather me neglecting any safety procedures and changing the workpiece wihle spindle is still running with a 3mm mill bit in the collet) ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=2958&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[21:02:21] <Loetmichel2> right thru the thumb nail and out the other side ;)
[21:02:34] <gregcnc> yay snow!
[21:03:20] <Polymorphism> ouch
[21:03:30] <gregcnc> sheeeet
[21:03:43] <Polymorphism> CaptHindsight, I'm buying the 6040
[21:03:48] <Polymorphism> probably this weekend
[21:03:55] <Polymorphism> just need to do a little bit more research
[21:04:00] <djdelorie> after two more days of waffling about it :-)
[21:04:34] <CaptHindsight> but a 4060 is for portrait mode
[21:04:44] <malcom2073> Heh
[21:04:51] <Polymorphism> what is the rough workflow?
[21:04:58] <Polymorphism> I can use librecad export as dxf?
[21:05:04] <Polymorphism> and then I need to convert to gcode or something?
[21:05:10] <Polymorphism> and how do I align the workpiece
[21:05:15] <Polymorphism> I see roughly how to fixture it
[21:05:26] <malcom2073> When you convert from DXF to gcode, you will set where your alignment corner is
[21:05:43] <malcom2073> Most utilities will let you choose a corner for your origin
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[21:06:16] <malcom2073> But yes, roughly, generate DXF, convert to gcode, simulate (Could skip if you're brave), then run on machine
[21:07:15] <gregcnc> the rinse improve repeat until you have millions
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[21:07:43] <CaptHindsight> 4060
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF2TCEXTt1w vs 6040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awah4PXwAAo
[21:07:44] <Polymorphism> I supooise the only part that I'mn not clear at all about is
[21:07:51] <Polymorphism> how I align the aluminum plate for example
[21:07:53] <Polymorphism> int he machine
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[21:08:02] <Polymorphism> so its not rotated at all and so its in the right spot
[21:08:04] <Polymorphism> to actually be cut
[21:08:20] <malcom2073> When you generate the gcode you'l set which corner to be 0, then when you zero the machine, you make sure it's rotated properly
[21:08:25] <malcom2073> And not in the wrong corner
[21:08:51] <Polymorphism> ok
[21:09:31] <djdelorie> you can use an edge finder along an edge to see if it's parallel
[21:09:51] <djdelorie> or have the mill make it's own edge to set the part against :-)
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[21:09:53] <malcom2073> A dial indicator that clamps onto your spindle can also help with ensuring the piece if positioned straight
[21:10:22] <Sync> oh haha in his second video he has huge springs clamped to the z axis CaptHindsight
[21:11:47] <Polymorphism> this is going to be amazing!!!!
[21:12:03] <Polymorphism> so the nomad guy was trying to tell me how it auto measures tool length
[21:12:06] <Polymorphism> and what a great feature that is
[21:12:10] <Polymorphism> is that really hard to do?
[21:12:24] <djdelorie> it's not hard but it's annoying
[21:12:54] <Polymorphism> I could probably add some auto measuring device later I would think
[21:13:01] <Polymorphism> if I really needed that
[21:16:17] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: i made my vacuum table with 1/8" holes so i can use broken mill bit shafts to aling the tools
[21:16:30] <Loetmichel2> s/tools/workpieces
[21:17:50] <Loetmichel2> simply oush the saft into two holes in the same row or column, move your worpiece edge against that and press down (if you are using double siderd tape, if using vacuum: simply swithc on the vacuum)
[21:18:24] <Loetmichel2> ... remove the alignment pins, touch the corners and z, start milling
[21:18:32] <Loetmichel2> push, shaft
[21:18:43] <Loetmichel2> <- has thick fingers sometimes ,)
[21:20:08] <malcom2073> Alignment pins are a good idea, and you can use the mill to drill the holes in your baseplate to ensure they're perfectly aligned with the motion axis
[21:20:28] <Polymorphism> ah I sdee, that sounds like a clean way to do it
[21:22:25] <Polymorphism> just one part I d ont qwuite get
[21:22:29] <Polymorphism> touch the corners and z?
[21:23:34] <malcom2073> To set zero on your machine
[21:23:52] <malcom2073> To tell it where the corner of the material is, and where it is height-wise
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[21:29:50] <Loetmichel2> yeah, what malcom2073 said
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[21:35:25] <Polymorphism> and if I drilled the alignment holes in a base material and then used pegs to align the work piece, then I would know where the corners are
[21:35:32] <Polymorphism> wait, I wouldnt
[21:36:00] <malcom2073> Yep you would, until the next poweroff :)
[21:37:03] <pink_vampire|2> http://i.imgur.com/sq3g4Yh.png
[21:37:14] <pink_vampire|2> Done!
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[21:38:41] <Polymorphism> nice work pink_vampire|2
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[21:39:08] <Polymorphism> what do you use for a mill
[21:39:23] <pink_vampire> thanks Polymorphism
[21:40:02] <pink_vampire> g0704
[21:40:58] <pink_vampire> what kind of a machine do you have?
[21:41:04] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: ^
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[21:42:46] <Polymorphism> wow that looks pretty nice
[21:42:51] <Polymorphism> and then you converted it to cnc?
[21:42:54] <Polymorphism> how much did that cost
[21:43:16] <Polymorphism> 7-1/16" x 26-5/8"
[21:43:29] <Polymorphism> slightly narrow width for my needs in the x, or is it y?
[21:43:42] <pink_vampire> any pics?
[21:44:22] <Polymorphism> no
[21:44:24] <Polymorphism> or yes
[21:44:37] <pink_vampire> I have 1025oz/in dc servo motors.
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[21:44:57] <pink_vampire> with the G320X drivers.
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[21:45:35] <pink_vampire> the whole thing is about 5K$
[21:46:08] <pink_vampire> but just the wires cost me about 350$..
[21:46:23] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism:
http://i.imgur.com/Wc8bgID.png
[21:46:52] <pink_vampire> become to
http://i.imgur.com/J42TZe0.png http://i.imgur.com/bMZt37d.png
[21:47:15] <Polymorphism> nice
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[21:47:30] <pink_vampire> the machine with the control cabinet
http://i.imgur.com/zopeOzP.png
[21:47:46] <Polymorphism> did you design the cabinet
[21:47:56] <pink_vampire> yes
[21:47:58] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/wWPij14.png
[21:48:04] <pink_vampire> old pic ^
[21:48:49] <pink_vampire> more about the cabinet
[21:48:50] <pink_vampire> http://imgur.com/a/M8yGV
[21:49:32] <Polymorphism> 4000 feet of wire??
[21:49:37] <pink_vampire> yes..
[21:49:42] <pink_vampire> 5 axis..
[21:50:26] <pink_vampire> servo drivers mount
http://imgur.com/a/LtdkC
[21:50:51] <Polymorphism> what is the 4th and 5th axis
[21:51:18] <pink_vampire> I didn't decide yet..
[21:52:03] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking maybe to make 4th axis and 3d printer extruder
[21:53:06] <pink_vampire> you are also in to metal working?
[21:53:55] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: ^
[21:56:14] <Polymorphism> yes
[21:56:15] <Polymorphism> recently
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[21:59:06] <pink_vampire> what kind of parts?
[21:59:38] <Polymorphism> I;m looking to buy my first cnc
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[22:00:43] <Polymorphism> to take the extruded aluminum enclosures like these:
http://www.hammondmfg.com/jpeg2/1455NHD1601BK_AB.jpg and cut holes like these:
https://www.amphenolcanada.com/ProductSearch/drawings/AC/MUSBD111XX.pdf
[22:00:48] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire,
[22:02:04] <pink_vampire> look very easy.
[22:02:22] <pink_vampire> small end mill and trace the outline.
[22:03:07] <pink_vampire> just protect the paint,
[22:04:05] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: ^
[22:04:41] <Polymorphism> its anodized finishs o no probl;em
[22:04:53] <Polymorphism> in fact I think if I engrave I will get silver letters
[22:04:57] <Polymorphism> to label the cutouts
[22:06:11] <Deejay> gn8
[22:06:28] <pink_vampire> but the chips can scratch the surface
[22:06:38] <pink_vampire> Deejay: ?
[22:06:48] <Deejay> yeah?
[22:06:57] <Deejay> need some sleep now
[22:07:06] <pink_vampire> did you saw the part?
[22:07:12] <Deejay> yep, very nice
[22:07:31] <pink_vampire> almost like datron..
[22:07:44] <Deejay> perfect, nice finish
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[22:08:09] <pink_vampire> and I did it with a defective Z axis
[22:08:38] <CaptHindsight> _methods: oh noes!
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/garry-shandling-dead-comedian-was-878124
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[22:12:10] <os1r1s> cradek Do you know if I have to do something special to use an port on an sserial device?
[22:12:28] <os1r1s> pcw_home I didn't see if you answered me earlier, I had to drop
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[22:15:49] <Frank__9> good morning
[22:15:55] <_methods> CaptHindsight: well i guess it's just cruz and trump now
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[22:19:12] <os1r1s> Anyone use sserial?
[22:22:35] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4jwVdFsoGo&t=1m0s how much for this machine!!!!
[22:24:08] <CaptHindsight> _methods: We're Not Gonna Take It
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI the new campaign song
[22:25:05] <_methods> heheheh
[22:32:09] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: it's not the machine is the cam program.
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[22:55:48] <_methods> it's not the heat it's the humidity
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[23:14:05] <os1r1s> andypugh pcw_home Either of you around?
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[23:28:33] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, what do you think of the xzero raptor
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[23:35:14] <shaun413> hello, does anyone have experience with the GRBL
[23:35:33] <malcom2073> Yep
[23:35:39] <shaun413> Im having issues with the steps/mm I set... Using gt2 belt and 20 tooth gt2 pully..
[23:35:42] <shaun413> hey malcom2073
[23:35:46] <malcom2073> Hi
[23:35:51] <shaun413> i set the steps/mm to 80...
[23:35:59] <malcom2073> fwiw, reprap is a better place to ask, but I'll try to help if I can
[23:36:05] <shaun413> lets bring this to offtopic
[23:37:31] <CaptHindsight> _methods: what a coincidence
[23:39:31] <Polymorphism> what type of tools do I need to begin?
[23:39:31] <CaptHindsight> the trifecta
[23:42:47] <Polymorphism> is the 6040 controller reallytt junk?
[23:42:50] <Polymorphism> some say to replace it with gecko
[23:43:20] <_methods> indeed
[23:44:58] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: It is, you can go a bit cheaper and get one of the 6600 3 axis boards, they seem to be alright
[23:45:40] <Polymorphism> seems like a waste to just junk the controller...
[23:45:46] <Polymorphism> scrap it I mean
[23:47:06] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-6090-CNC-Router-Engraver-Machine-23-6-x35-5-x4-WorkSize-Free-Sea-Shipping-/371583465857?hash=item568419b981:m:m6JuJNy2gTliIpNW-2PxsqQ
[23:47:08] <Polymorphism> this thing looks nice
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[23:52:42] <malcom2073> It looks nice... but it's probably about identical to the 6040
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[23:52:58] <malcom2073> in terms of quality
[23:53:15] <malcom2073> Unless you need the size, why?
[23:55:52] <cncnoob1979> hey guys. I have a 7i77 board and using pots for overrides. Got a quick question. Im using 5k pots with 24 volts on input 0,1,2 for overrides. I burned up one of my pots yesterday. They are .3 wats pots, but Im not pulling a load on them, just for an override. Any suggestions on possiblities on why? DIGIKEY #987-1329-ND.
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[23:57:24] <cncnoob1979> Im wondering if it was just a bad pot. The 7i77 shouldnt really being drawing any current from them.
[23:58:46] <Polymorphism> I was considering it for the size only, yeah
