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[00:00:31] <PetefromTn_> the idea of using the din rail mounted 24v and 5v power supplies like R2E4 as well as using the picopc 24v DC PC power supply should make hooking everything up a piece of cake
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[00:00:40] <PetefromTn_> more good news
[00:00:57] <PetefromTn_> is the machine came with some nice components I need back there already
[00:01:04] <PetefromTn_> such as a bank of relays
[00:01:22] <PetefromTn_> and a large telemechanique contactor that appears to be perfect for the application
[00:01:35] <jthornton> sweet
[00:01:53] <PetefromTn_> also the machine electronics enclosure has to large pancake fans in there
[00:02:32] <PetefromTn_> the spindle encoder is built in as well and other than having to extend the wires where some jackhole got happy with a wire cutter in the enclosure should just hook right up to the 7i77
[00:02:49] <PetefromTn_> so at this point I am making a list of items I need
[00:03:08] <PetefromTn_> I am going to probably go with that Asroc main board we were talking about last night
[00:03:27] <PetefromTn_> whichever SDD is reasonable and of good review
[00:03:45] <PetefromTn_> probably going to get the two 8G DMM ram modules
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[00:04:28] <PetefromTn_> I need to figure out which picopc 24v power supply will work best apparenlty the main board typically uses at most 40 watts
[00:04:38] <jthornton> I just ordered another gigabyte motherboard I was so impressed with the latency of the first one
[00:04:42] <PetefromTn_> but most of them are 20 pin not 24 pin
[00:04:55] <PetefromTn_> so it sounded like connor had a cable solution for that
[00:05:11] <PetefromTn_> which gigabyte board did you get?
[00:05:25] <jthornton> getting links
[00:05:35] <andypugh> 16GB RAM seems excessive for a LinuxCNC machine
[00:05:37] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/18-computer/29147-intel-cpu-on-board-motherboard-suggestion?start=20
[00:05:46] <jthornton> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128860&Tpk=13-128-860
[00:05:49] <PetefromTn_> andypugh well I agree
[00:05:52] <jthornton> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117545&Tpk=19-117-545
[00:05:59] <jthornton> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231718&Tpk=20-231-718
[00:06:03] <PetefromTn_> but apparently you need to populate the board with two ram modules
[00:06:12] <PetefromTn_> and the 8 gig are only like 40 bucks
[00:06:23] <PetefromTn_> and I cannot imagine a 4 gig would be much less
[00:06:26] <jthornton> I don't recommend the case I bought the power supply only had one sata plug
[00:06:35] <andypugh> I like to use motherboards that take 12V input.
[00:07:59] <PetefromTn_> jthornton so you have this board and have experienced excellent performance and latency
[00:08:20] <PetefromTn_> andypugh I plan to use the picopc power supply with 24v input
[00:08:43] <PetefromTn_> going to probably use a 120w 24v dc DIN rail mounted power supply
[00:08:58] <PetefromTn_> this is all tentative
[00:09:08] <PetefromTn_> if you guys see anything wrong with any of this speak now
[00:09:12] <andypugh> I have used PicoPSU, but some boards take 12V (or 24V) directly
[00:09:21] <PetefromTn_> yes
[00:09:36] <PetefromTn_> but I won't have a 12vdc power supply to run them
[00:11:12] <PetefromTn_> so you have like $140 into that board/cpu
[00:11:39] <andypugh> In recent machines I have uesed one big 24V supply and a bunch of these for 5V and 12V: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-DC-LM2596-Voltage-Regulator-Step-Down-Converter-Buck-Led-Voltmeter-Module-/261760407823?hash=item3cf222d90f:g:w44AAOSwv0tU-Ce4
[00:12:06] <andypugh> (Pretty led displays mean you can look in the back and be sure that the voltages are all there)
[00:12:12] <PetefromTn_> how big was the power supply
[00:12:47] <PetefromTn_> that's pretty cool BTW
[00:13:07] <andypugh> Well, I got a bargain so the one in the Mill is a crazy 500W one.
[00:13:09] <PetefromTn_> wonder if they make that in a DIN rail mount
[00:13:27] <PetefromTn_> that is crazy unless your drives are DV
[00:13:28] <PetefromTn_> DC
[00:13:39] <PetefromTn_> motors rather
[00:13:41] <andypugh> It does run the A-axis servo, too.
[00:14:09] <PetefromTn_> honestly if I got two of those converters you linked to
[00:14:12] <jthornton> PetefromTn_, yes I have one and one on the way
[00:14:16] <PetefromTn_> it would actually save me some cash
[00:14:31] <PetefromTn_> because the 5v power supply I was going to get is like $45
[00:14:35] <PetefromTn_> DIN rail mount
[00:14:57] <PetefromTn_> if I got the LARGER 240 watt power supply
[00:15:05] <PetefromTn_> it is like 115 bucks
[00:15:19] <PetefromTn_> plus whatever those are in US bucks LOL
[00:15:29] <andypugh> I just put the boards on DIN-adapters: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-Sets-DIN-Rail-Mounting-Adapters-Feet-for-35mm-32mm-or-15mm-DIN-rail-/371475699457?hash=item567dad5701:m:mo4RMVkdj9XGcw1dtASuDAA
[00:16:05] <PetefromTn_> ooh those are cool
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[00:16:56] <PetefromTn_> that ram is cool and a good bit cheaper
[00:17:24] <PetefromTn_> well actually it is the same price ;)
[00:17:38] <PetefromTn_> but I could buy two of those for 8G total
[00:17:48] <PetefromTn_> and be at the price of one 8g single stick
[00:18:01] <PetefromTn_> so that works and is as said more than adequate
[00:18:30] <PetefromTn_> Tom seemed to get good latency from this asroc board apparently
[00:19:13] <PetefromTn_> I can't tell you how happy I am that I might not have to solder those high density connectors LOL
[00:19:38] <PetefromTn_> andypugh what do you use for your AC distribution
[00:20:35] <andypugh> Incidentally, that eBay proce for the brackets isn’t super-competitive compared to even Digikey: http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=1201578
[00:20:47] <PetefromTn_> I figured as much
[00:21:15] <PetefromTn_> wonder if those would work for the mesa cards
[00:21:22] <andypugh> I don’t tend to have much AC distribution.
[00:21:43] <PetefromTn_> I don't remember if I got the din mount kit or not I gotta look
[00:21:48] <PetefromTn_> really?
[00:22:02] <PetefromTn_> that was a bit of a challenge on the Cincinatti
[00:22:08] <andypugh> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=DIN&product_id=227
[00:22:26] <andypugh> Mesa adaptors are not super-expensive either.
[00:22:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I used in the cincinatti
[00:22:39] <PetefromTn_> worked great
[00:22:53] <PetefromTn_> I would love to use as much din rail stuff as possible
[00:23:10] <PetefromTn_> there is a good bit of rail inside the electronics enclosure
[00:23:22] <andypugh> To take AC power into my drive PSU I used Neutrik PowerCON.
[00:23:52] <PetefromTn_> drive psu?
[00:23:54] <andypugh> (Those are my connector of choice for AC and motor-3-phase)
[00:24:21] <andypugh> Yeah, box of caps and regulator to make the 300V DC for the servo drives.
[00:24:41] <PetefromTn_> aah ok
[00:24:55] <PetefromTn_> these drives all take direct AC input
[00:25:00] <PetefromTn_> just like on the Cincinatti
[00:25:23] <PetefromTn_> but there will be much less stuff in this machine
[00:25:40] <PetefromTn_> I had to power the 3 phase vfd for the coolant pump in the Cinci
[00:25:51] <PetefromTn_> this machine came without a coolant pump for the built in sump
[00:26:17] <PetefromTn_> so I will just buy whatever 120v AC pump I can get that is suitable for a reasonable price and hit it with a relay
[00:26:51] <PetefromTn_> there is even an AC relay in there already which might work for that
[00:26:59] <andypugh> You probably don’t need them in that case, but these are PowerCON: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.XpowerCON.TRS0&_nkw=powerCON&_sacat=0
[00:27:32] <PetefromTn_> Oh no I know those that is not what I was talking about
[00:27:34] <andypugh> They do a 4-pole for speakers that works nicely for steppers or 3-phase motors. 250V 40A rating…
[00:27:49] <PetefromTn_> I am talking about DIN mounted power distribution blocks
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[00:28:08] <andypugh> Ah, right, I just use normal blocks.
[00:28:11] <PetefromTn_> like bring in big AC cables in top and break out into smaller ones to the contactors etc.
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[00:28:32] <andypugh> It helps when you realise that they can be bussed together, that is what the screw in the top is for.
[00:28:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is nice
[00:29:04] <PetefromTn_> all of these things make this stuff super easy
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[00:29:35] <andypugh> Though actually getting the bus-strips for the blocks can be difficult
[00:30:04] <PetefromTn_> I got mine from Galco
[00:30:12] <PetefromTn_> trying to login there so I can see what I got
[00:31:20] <andypugh> It isn’t super-easy to see, but the terminal blocks on the right hand panel here are bussed together for GND, 5V 12V and 24V: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/fU5J9IOTdl79f8fkCVs5NtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
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[00:33:16] <PetefromTn_> nice..
[00:33:27] <PetefromTn_> bb in a bit gotta eat dinner thanks guys
[00:34:52] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i use those buck regs too and after i have it set, i put a dot of hotglue on the pot so vibration doesn't decide to change it
[00:35:10] <andypugh> Probably wise.
[00:35:28] <Tom_itx> it comes off easy if you need to adjust something too
[00:36:25] <Tom_itx> you can't build em for that price
[00:37:38] <Tom_itx> these are the preset ver of the same chip but cost ~$10 to make: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/misc_stuff/5v_switcher.jpg
[00:37:56] <andypugh> On reflection, for power distribution I reckon these make more sense than bussing together terminal blocks: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/commoning-blocks/3882833/
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[00:38:42] <Tom_itx> i used some pcw has on the site for all my 5v stuff
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[00:39:38] <Tom_itx> instead of daisychaining the supply wire i brought each one back to the header
[00:43:36] <andypugh> The Mesa commoning block looks pretty neat, actually. Though it might be easier to make one that wait for Mesa.
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[00:43:57] <PCW> we have a little 8-45V to 5V 2A buck converter also (LBUCK) But I have not got around to putting it on the website
[00:44:11] <zeeshan> for encoder powering?
[00:44:31] <PCW> yeah +24 to local 5V kind of stuff
[00:44:40] <zeeshan> hm that would be nice
[00:44:43] <zeeshan> if its din rail mounted
[00:44:51] <zeeshan> i have a dedicated supply for 5v and 24v
[00:44:56] <zeeshan> it'd be nice to collapse it into 1
[00:45:04] <PCW> its tiny (1.5x1.5)
[00:45:15] <zeeshan> nice
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[00:45:27] <Sync> zeeshan: just use on of those 1/8 or 1/16 bricks
[00:45:44] <PCW> terminal block in/out 3.3v/5V jumper
[00:46:01] <PCW> no electrolytics
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[00:48:23] <Sync> http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/APXW003A0X3-SRZ/555-1245-1-ND/2640013 I use these in a product
[00:48:26] <Sync> they are awesome
[00:48:46] <zeeshan> no din rail mount
[00:49:15] <ssi> it's a component :P
[00:49:29] <zeeshan> shrug
[00:49:34] <zeeshan> at eaton everything is din rail mount
[00:49:35] <zeeshan> :P
[00:49:39] <zeeshan> even small dinky circuits
[00:49:48] <zeeshan> makes life easy
[00:50:12] <ssi> "at eaton, even when we buy surface mount resistors they're din mount. I really have no clue how they even manage to build anything"
[00:50:31] <malcom2073> Lol
[00:50:34] <zeeshan> they wouldn't design something that needed an external resistor
[00:50:37] <zeeshan> unless its a massive one
[00:50:37] <malcom2073> That's awesome
[00:50:37] <ssi> "last week we bought a bunch of copper bus bar to make 1600000A circuit panels, and for some reason the raw copper stock was din mount"
[00:51:10] <malcom2073> They don't design anything cool then, some of the coolest stuff needs external resistors
[00:51:33] <zeeshan> read above
[00:51:45] <ssi> "it was pretty cool really, we just went around all day picking shit up off the floor and snapping it onto din rail for no reason. My buddy found a potato chip that some ants were carrying off and it had a damn din mount on it, so we stuck it on the wall"
[00:51:49] <CaptHindsight> 1600000 W internal DIN mount resistor
[00:52:05] <zeeshan> dude
[00:52:07] <malcom2073> Lol
[00:52:09] <zeeshan> today i had designed something
[00:52:13] <zeeshan> and it wasn't to standard lol
[00:52:15] <malcom2073> Was it DIN rail mountable?
[00:52:21] <zeeshan> i got edumuacted
[00:52:27] <zeeshan> apparently 250mcm cable
[00:52:34] <zeeshan> needs support every 6"
[00:52:41] <malcom2073> din support?
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[00:52:44] <zeeshan> no
[00:52:47] <zeeshan> we're using gp03
[00:52:49] <ssi> malcom2073: ^5
[00:53:01] <SpeedEvil> I am confused by the unit mcm
[00:53:09] <ssi> millicentimeter, duh
[00:53:17] <zeeshan> kcmil
[00:53:19] <zeeshan> same thing
[00:53:24] <malcom2073> mcm == din rail cm
[00:53:34] <malcom2073> because in german, din starts with a m
[00:53:39] <SpeedEvil> ah
[00:53:41] <ssi> god that's a bastardization unit if I've ever seen one
[00:53:53] <zeeshan> yea its a bit annoying
[00:53:56] <zeeshan> but it started with awg :P
[00:53:57] <ssi> cmil is a bastard unit to begin with
[00:54:19] * ssi likes millicentimeter better
[00:54:27] <zeeshan> its like any other conversion though
[00:54:30] <zeeshan> just remember A = d^2
[00:54:41] <zeeshan> very easy to convert to a real unit like cm or inch
[00:55:08] <ssi> yeah except d^2 is part of what makes it bastard unit to begin with
[00:55:19] <SpeedEvil> decibels annoys me more.
[00:55:19] <ssi> cmil is the area that the conductor would have if it were a square with side length equal to diameter
[00:55:23] <ssi> or some bullshit like that
[00:55:26] <zeeshan> its really not much diff than dealin with F
[00:55:28] <zeeshan> for example :P
[00:55:34] <SpeedEvil> the calculation varies if it's a 'power-like' or a 'scalar-like' value
[00:55:39] <malcom2073> ssi: That sounds like "We're too lazy to remember pi*r^2
[00:55:40] <malcom2073> "
[00:55:45] <ssi> malcom2073: that's exactly what it is
[00:55:49] <malcom2073> Bwaha
[00:55:55] <ssi> it's a relative unit, so the absolute number doesn't matter
[00:55:56] <CaptHindsight> cubic fortnights
[00:55:57] <malcom2073> That's fantastic
[00:55:59] <ssi> and d^2 is faster
[00:56:07] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: its just log scale
[00:56:09] <ssi> it's almost a dimensionless unit, but not quite :P
[00:56:22] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: But it's a _different_ log scale for power and scalar-like
[00:56:32] <ssi> SpeedEvil: that's just cause ohm's law
[00:56:48] <zeeshan> are you talking about noise
[00:56:49] <ssi> power is nonlinear
[00:56:50] <zeeshan> or electricity
[00:56:54] <SpeedEvil> ssi: no, it's not
[00:57:49] <SpeedEvil> 10dBV/0dBV is not the same as 10dBW/0dBW
[00:58:06] <SpeedEvil> you need to know what the unit means before you can compute the decibels
[00:58:07] <ssi> well for starters dBV and dBW are referenced to a different baseline
[00:58:18] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: baseline
[00:58:19] <zeeshan> er
[00:58:38] <PetefromTn_> Man I can't wait to see this CNC lathe make some parts ;)
[00:58:46] <SpeedEvil> you can't just treat 'V' as an irrelevant part of the unit, like 'mV' - you know 'mV' will be 1/1000th of a V
[00:58:54] <ssi> no, you can't
[00:58:59] <ssi> they're different units
[00:59:00] <zeeshan> its a log scale!!!!1
[00:59:03] <zeeshan> its not linear
[00:59:14] <SpeedEvil> I'm not expecting it to be linear
[00:59:39] <zeeshan> im too dumb to understand your complaint then :P
[01:00:30] <zeeshan> http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7480/16082519967_8e2e4ad967_h.jpg
[01:00:33] <ssi> zeeshan: power into a load is related to the square of voltage into a load because of ohms law
[01:00:38] <zeeshan> 5v supply is definitely a lloot bigger than 1.5"x1.5"
[01:00:45] <SpeedEvil> decibel is explicitly a power ratio.
[01:00:46] <zeeshan> i could fit it on the din rail above
[01:00:52] <PetefromTn_> andypugh that electronics cabinet you linked to what machine is that for?
[01:00:52] <ssi> zeeshan: so when you work with power ratios it's 10log, and when you work with amplitudes it's 20log
[01:01:13] <zeeshan> that makes sense
[01:01:54] <PetefromTn_> what do you guys think of the idea of that 24v to 12 and 5v converter board? Looks interesting no?
[01:01:59] <ssi> so 20 dBV == 10 dBW
[01:02:00] <SpeedEvil> This means that a 10dB increase means different things depending on if the unit (dBV, dBW) is power-like or not.
[01:04:11] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: honestly man
[01:04:16] <zeeshan> i like the converter idea
[01:04:24] <zeeshan> but having a dedicated supply is more robust obviously
[01:04:31] <zeeshan> thats why i think ill stick to a 5v and 24v supply
[01:04:52] <zeeshan> like its $20-30 a supply
[01:04:54] <zeeshan> its worth it
[01:05:31] <zeeshan> im going to have trouble fitting the drives and stuff for this machine
[01:05:45] <zeeshan> i need a large ass vfd for the spindle, one large ass one for the hydraulic unit
[01:06:41] <zeeshan> i thinking of using a 48x48" cabinet for all the power distribution, relays, vfds, drives, etc
[01:07:05] <zeeshan> and since the machine has a box where the old fanuc 3t control went, throw all the computer related stuff there, including mesa
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[01:07:41] <zeeshan> i wonder if my work will let me order a custom box
[01:09:07] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan actually man the electronics cabinet on this machine is rather massive considering what will be going inside it.
[01:09:16] <zeeshan> what size is it?
[01:09:21] <PetefromTn_> I could probably build everything into a box a quarter of the size
[01:09:26] <PetefromTn_> maybe less
[01:09:35] <PetefromTn_> I dunno I have not measured it
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[01:10:18] <PetefromTn_> but I would guess it is probably five by six foot and maybe 18" deep
[01:10:31] <zeeshan> jeez
[01:10:33] <zeeshan> you should snap some pics
[01:10:38] <zeeshan> is there nothing in it right now?
[01:10:43] <PetefromTn_> Oh I will probably do that
[01:10:56] <PetefromTn_> no it has all the din rails and some cable guide stuff
[01:11:06] <PetefromTn_> it has a couple relays
[01:11:13] <PetefromTn_> a large transformer
[01:11:24] <PetefromTn_> a bank of circuit breakers din rail
[01:11:36] <PetefromTn_> a main contactor/switch
[01:11:46] <PetefromTn_> a pair of good sized pancake fans
[01:12:00] <PetefromTn_> and some other odds and ends din rail stiff
[01:12:01] <PetefromTn_> stuff
[01:12:28] <PetefromTn_> It is pretty dusty in there tho I will have to probably clean the crap out of it before I start installing stuff
[01:12:40] <PetefromTn_> I was trying to decide what to do about mounting the PC stuff
[01:13:08] <PetefromTn_> I am planning to build a large rectangular pendant for the front of the machine to house the monitor and keyboard/switches etc.
[01:13:20] <PetefromTn_> it did not come with one unfortunately
[01:13:35] <PetefromTn_> but honestly after seeing pictures of what It would have come with
[01:13:49] <PetefromTn_> it looked like a bigass metal TRS80 computer on a stick
[01:14:05] <PetefromTn_> I think I would be happier making something for it anyways
[01:15:19] <PetefromTn_> I have some heavy gauge hot roll sheet here that would be perfect for building the box.
[01:15:32] <PetefromTn_> My only question right now is where I will put the PC
[01:15:48] <PetefromTn_> in the Cincinatti I built the PC into the pendant at the front of the machine
[01:16:06] <PetefromTn_> and I ran 120vac up there to a terminal box to power the Pc and the monitor
[01:16:23] <PetefromTn_> but this PC will be run on the 24vdc from the power supply
[01:16:35] <PetefromTn_> so it MIGHT be better to leave it out back
[01:16:52] <PetefromTn_> but then you deal with longish cables for the monitor and keyboard etc..
[01:17:04] <PetefromTn_> so I am undecided on where to put it
[01:18:38] <zeeshan> i think isolating it in the pendant is a good idea
[01:18:52] <zeeshan> but i havent had much problems with mine being in the power distribution area
[01:19:03] <zeeshan> 60hz doesnt really do anything for noise
[01:19:07] <PetefromTn_> I know a lot of people put it back there without issue
[01:19:18] <zeeshan> im glad i kept my vfds in a seperate box
[01:19:24] <zeeshan> those are noisy bastards
[01:19:44] <PetefromTn_> I wouldn't think putting it up front would be a problem for the DC power setup it is not very far after all
[01:19:59] <zeeshan> why dont you wanna use a dedicated power supply for your pc
[01:20:01] <zeeshan> like the standard ones
[01:20:28] <zeeshan> the main thing wrong with my setup
[01:20:32] <PetefromTn_> I honestly don't mind that
[01:20:40] <zeeshan> is ran a 25ft cable for vga
[01:20:44] <zeeshan> and i get lines on my screen
[01:20:48] <zeeshan> i need to do something about that..
[01:20:48] <PetefromTn_> but Tom said he liked the picopc stuff
[01:20:57] <zeeshan> ive heard you can use dvi
[01:21:01] <zeeshan> or a vga booster
[01:21:12] <PetefromTn_> and it would negate the need for a custom mounting for a typical power supply
[01:21:32] <PetefromTn_> because it basically plugs into the board
[01:21:39] <zeeshan> oh i see it now
[01:21:41] <zeeshan> that is nice
[01:21:56] <zeeshan> for some reason im annoyed with having walwarts inside the enclosure
[01:22:07] <zeeshan> can you give that dc jack 24v
[01:22:09] <zeeshan> direct?
[01:22:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is capable of like 12-36v
[01:22:33] <zeeshan> ncie!
[01:22:36] <PetefromTn_> or something like that
[01:22:50] <zeeshan> its about the same price as a regular psu
[01:22:51] <PetefromTn_> I figure this PC will take around 40 watts or so
[01:22:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah it looks nice man I think
[01:23:07] <PetefromTn_> and would simplify the build a good bit
[01:23:55] <zeeshan> they're patented
[01:23:58] <zeeshan> so you know they gotta be good
[01:23:59] <PetefromTn_> I figure I will put the Hitachi WJ200 way down low in the enclosure because the power to the main motor is down there and close
[01:24:03] <zeeshan> someone spent thousands trying to patent it
[01:24:05] <zeeshan> so they care
[01:24:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah thats good
[01:24:28] <PetefromTn_> I will put the servo drives somewhere in the middle
[01:24:31] <zeeshan> dude this is going to make things really nice
[01:24:39] <PetefromTn_> close to wherever the leads need to go
[01:24:43] <zeeshan> ill keep a 24v din-terminal block in the pendant area
[01:24:51] <zeeshan> and distribute power to this thing and my buttns and things like that
[01:25:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah 24v scheme is the way to go for a lot of reasons
[01:25:22] <zeeshan> its completely prone to noise
[01:25:24] <zeeshan> from my exp
[01:25:24] <PetefromTn_> I just was not aware you could even use it to power the PC
[01:25:30] <PetefromTn_> yup
[01:25:39] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Just remember to twist the black white green and red wires together!
[01:25:47] <PetefromTn_> too bad you can't run the monitor that way hmm
[01:25:52] <zeeshan> you can!
[01:25:53] <Jymmm> zeeshan: BUT NOT THE BLUE ONE
[01:25:57] <zeeshan> i run my monitor from 12vdc
[01:25:57] <zeeshan> haha
[01:26:03] <duc> Any preference of torque or speed reference for controlling servo
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[01:26:05] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah?
[01:26:15] <Jymmm> duc: RAMMING SPEED!!!!
[01:26:17] <zeeshan> i take one of the regular psu connectors and power it directly with 12vdc
[01:26:22] <zeeshan> so basically whwnever you turn on your comp
[01:26:24] <zeeshan> the monitor turns on by itself
[01:26:37] <PetefromTn_> duc I run mine on speed but PCW said torque is more precise somehow
[01:26:59] <PetefromTn_> as far as controlling the torque curves but that is beyond me
[01:27:23] <PetefromTn_> how many watts you figure for the monitor?
[01:27:43] <duc> Until the 3 yaskawa 750w motors and sgdv drives, I would start making notes about wiring
[01:27:47] <PCW> Velocity mode is easier to tune and more suited to normal LinuxCNC update rates
[01:27:49] <PCW> Torque mode is good for things like Z axis where you can balance gravity loads
[01:28:05] <PetefromTn_> ^^
[01:28:32] <PCW> but torque mode typically requires faster servo thread rates (say 2- 8 KHz)
[01:28:40] <zeeshan> wouildnt torque mode
[01:28:45] <zeeshan> get rid of stick and sliip issues
[01:29:05] <PCW> (since in this case LinuxCNC needs to run the velocity loop)
[01:29:23] <duc> Controller with be a 5i25/7i77 card setup
[01:29:35] <PetefromTn_> good choice ;)
[01:29:55] <PCW> you can try both, velocity mode is typically easier to tune
[01:30:11] <duc> Baby steps it is
[01:30:30] <duc> Is there a trade in credit for a 7i76 card. Lol
[01:30:33] <PetefromTn_> is it possible to run BOTH on one machine?
[01:31:09] <Sync> velocity and torque?
[01:31:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[01:31:39] <PetefromTn_> IE one drive Vel the other torque
[01:32:14] <Sync> I don't see why not
[01:34:26] <Tom_itx> damn i hate when suttle programming errors show up 6mo after you write the code and forgot what you had in mind...
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[01:34:58] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I wish I could use that sumitomo drive on my lathe zeeshan it would save me a bunch of cash... but its just not big enough
[01:35:11] <zeeshan> 10hp not big enuf? :p
[01:35:29] <zeeshan> lol tom
[01:35:32] <PetefromTn_> not to run a 7.5hp motor single phase
[01:35:42] <zeeshan> oh ya
[01:35:45] <zeeshan> only 6.5hp output
[01:35:46] <zeeshan> or something
[01:35:52] <zeeshan> so close!
[01:35:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah it sucks
[01:36:09] <zeeshan> do you really need that extra 1hp?
[01:36:12] <PetefromTn_> I wish they had a similarly inexpensive one that is 15hp
[01:36:25] <PetefromTn_> well I paid for it I might as well get it LOL
[01:36:28] <zeeshan> hahah
[01:36:31] <Tom_itx> zeeshan some old datafile code i use
[01:36:42] <PetefromTn_> honestly the lathe ALSO came with a 5hp motor from the factory
[01:36:51] <PetefromTn_> the 7.5 was an option
[01:36:57] <Sync> you can probably overload it for long enough
[01:37:22] <PetefromTn_> ?
[01:37:27] <zeeshan> i agree with sync
[01:37:34] <zeeshan> usually vfds are designed to handle 120% overload
[01:37:41] <zeeshan> so 10hp can actually handle 12hp for short periods of time
[01:37:56] <PetefromTn_> hm
[01:37:59] <zeeshan> you're not going to really be sitting at 7.5hp constantly
[01:38:05] <PetefromTn_> well if it was a mill maybe but a lathe?
[01:38:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah doubt it
[01:38:28] <Sync> even on a lathe you only cut for so long
[01:38:29] <PetefromTn_> probably half that most of the time or less
[01:38:34] <SpeedEvil> What would a CNC thing that can handle non-rotating tools be? Say that can push a standard lathe type insert through steel taking 1mm cuts.
[01:38:42] <SpeedEvil> (other than expensive)
[01:38:51] <zeeshan> i think 7.5hp would mean like 3/8" cut at 0.015ipr
[01:38:53] <zeeshan> in mild steel
[01:39:15] <zeeshan> whats the difference between cost
[01:39:20] <PetefromTn_> well keep in mind this is not a gear head lathe
[01:39:22] <zeeshan> of the 2 drives
[01:39:30] <zeeshan> its direct drive?
[01:39:34] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately almost half
[01:39:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah direct multi vee belt drive
[01:40:18] <PetefromTn_> the hitachi is like 778 shipped
[01:40:26] <PetefromTn_> and yours was like 398 or something?
[01:40:35] <Sync> 778 is not that bad
[01:40:38] <PetefromTn_> that would buy a bunch of cheesecake
[01:40:48] <PetefromTn_> Sync no actually it is not really
[01:40:59] <PetefromTn_> but 398 is MUCH better ;)
[01:41:14] <Sync> sure
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[01:43:39] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-hp-ac-drive-inverter-variable-frequency-phase-converter-speed-control-230v-/271987174231?hash=item3f53b2eb57:g:PNkAAOSw9r1V-B3g
[01:43:42] <PetefromTn_> new one there.
[01:43:53] <zeeshan> my numbers were completely off
[01:43:53] <zeeshan> btw
[01:44:22] <ssi> PCW: i found a bug in the 7i77 manual, sserial section
[01:44:27] <zeeshan> .375 doc in mild steel (1018 cd) , at 0.015ipr, 500sfm
[01:44:36] <zeeshan> requires 24hp!!
[01:44:55] <ssi> PCW: under SPECIAL RPCS, DiscoveryRPC and UnitNumberRPC are correctly numbered as 0xBB and 0xBC respectively
[01:45:18] <PetefromTn_> heh maybe on your monster lathe
[01:45:25] <zeeshan> pete here
[01:45:38] <zeeshan> like with carbide you wanna run it at .008 ipr usually
[01:45:38] <ssi> under SSERIAL REMOTE RPCS, the next section, they're swapped, Discovery is listed as 0xBC and UnitNumber is listed as 0xBB
[01:46:19] <PetefromTn_> no man I just meant I will not be ABLE to make that cut on this lathe with only 7.5hp
[01:46:20] <zeeshan> lets go w/ .010ipr, .125doc , 1018 cd
[01:46:26] <zeeshan> requires 6hp
[01:46:28] <ssi> .015 is a hell of a chipload
[01:46:29] <zeeshan> so that'd be the limit..
[01:46:36] <PCW> Ahh of course thats in about every sserial daughtercard manual :-(
[01:46:42] <ssi> PCW: yeah I figured as much :)
[01:46:44] <zeeshan> ssi pretty common w/ carbide tho!
[01:47:07] <Tom_itx> cutting a 3tpi thread might take a few hp in steel, other than that i doubt you'd press it to the full 7.5 hp
[01:47:12] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/WEG-CFW08-7-5HP-230V-NEMA4X-Variable-Frequency-Drive-/272036851141?hash=item3f56a8edc5:g:j8gAAOSwBahVHXVl is this 3 phase I am sure?
[01:47:18] <ssi> PCW: I thought I found my bug! was painstakingly transcribing from the scope (since my stupid cheap usb logic analyzer died), and I saw it respond to 0xBC with unit number, and the manual said it should be 0xBB
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[01:47:24] <ssi> seemed like a smoking gun! but alas, no that's not the issue
[01:47:31] <PCW> Though you are the first one that have noticed it
[01:47:35] <Tom_itx> because on threads you're taking a full cut on the near final passs that will take some HP
[01:47:38] <ssi> sweet, do I get a prize? :D
[01:48:26] <zeeshan> you could do a .3 doc @ 0.010ipr , 500sfm
[01:48:30] <zeeshan> in 6061 though!
[01:48:30] <zeeshan> :D
[01:48:32] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, this took some HP from the spindle motor on the final couple passes: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/thread1.jpg
[01:48:55] <Tom_itx> you're not normally gonna take that big a cut at once at that feedrate
[01:49:03] <zeeshan> thats true :P
[01:49:08] <zeeshan> unless youre baws!
[01:49:40] <Tom_itx> well when i was making test specimens i pushed it pretty hard to get to final diameter
[01:49:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah I figure a CNC lathe can often be faster taking multiple cuts at higher feedrates than hogging in a single
[01:50:03] <zeeshan> buttttttttt
[01:50:07] <Tom_itx> put an ammeter on it
[01:50:08] <zeeshan> tool life rapidly decreases
[01:50:10] <zeeshan> if you do that
[01:50:10] <Tom_itx> to monitor it
[01:50:21] <duc> A production shop may take that if it's the one item they make. Time is money and more parts
[01:50:21] <Tom_itx> mark on the meter where 'marginal' is
[01:50:50] <Tom_itx> duc, a production shop is also aware not to grind their equipment into the dirt
[01:50:58] <PetefromTn_> I am used to a 12x36 chinko lathe with 2 chinko HP....I think this machine will be MORE than enough for me ;)
[01:50:59] <zeeshan> i had the infamous question on my final exam, keeping time constant, is it better to take 2 passes at double the feed rate
[01:51:03] <Tom_itx> and have massive downtime
[01:51:04] <zeeshan> or one single pass at half the feedrate
[01:51:06] <zeeshan> :D
[01:51:13] <ssi> and what's the answer
[01:51:18] <zeeshan> single pass
[01:51:21] <ssi> why
[01:51:28] <zeeshan> tool life isn't related to depth of cut
[01:51:39] <zeeshan> but a strong function of feed rate
[01:51:40] <SpeedEvil> You're not cutting while transiting?
[01:51:47] <ssi> ah
[01:51:54] <duc> We push our equipment to max removal. Only so much equipment can fit or produce so much stuff if your going easy
[01:52:14] <zeeshan> order of importance
[01:52:17] <zeeshan> sfm , feedrate
[01:52:21] <duc> Main reason to not buy a haas or bridgeport in a manufacturing shop
[01:52:23] <zeeshan> that class was really useful
[01:52:33] <zeeshan> whats wrong with haas
[01:52:36] <zeeshan> haas makes good machines
[01:52:36] <PetefromTn_> If I ever get into some serious production I will worry about it then or get another machine... for right now this should be MORE than enough
[01:52:42] <zeeshan> i think youre confusing haas w/ tormach
[01:52:48] <Tom_itx> zeeshan i doubt they're as heavy as a mori or okuma
[01:52:55] <Tom_itx> or tree for that matter
[01:53:02] <zeeshan> for the same price, no
[01:53:11] <duc> Haas is good for 5 years versus a mori, okoma and a few others
[01:53:15] <zeeshan> most people are used to seeing the pansy haas machines
[01:53:16] <PetefromTn_> more like half the price
[01:53:20] <duc> But yes most are fine with haas
[01:53:37] <zeeshan> what do you mean good for 5 years
[01:53:40] <Tom_itx> i'm sure they've improved over recent years
[01:53:50] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, tolerances start to fail
[01:53:58] <duc> We kill a haas in 5 years. Pull and replace
[01:54:04] <zeeshan> ah
[01:54:07] <duc> 15 years for better units
[01:54:11] <Tom_itx> if you grind them into the dirt like the duc production shop is
[01:54:42] <zeeshan> i dunno man, i've seen plenty of success stories for manufacturing plants
[01:54:44] <zeeshan> running haas 24hrs
[01:54:47] <zeeshan> im not a haas fan boi
[01:54:54] <zeeshan> trust me, i never used to like haas, till i looked into it myself
[01:54:57] <PetefromTn_> thats funny because there are a half dozen shops within a ten mile radius of my home that have nothing but HAAS machines running 24/7 making tool steel parts...
[01:55:02] <Tom_itx> i've seen a few as well
[01:55:04] <zeeshan> exactly pete
[01:55:12] <zeeshan> haas haters i think are based on their older machines
[01:55:19] <zeeshan> and its likely germans spreading the hate
[01:55:19] <zeeshan> :P
[01:55:21] <Tom_itx> i don't hate em
[01:55:29] <Tom_itx> i don't think they're as rugged as some
[01:55:39] <zeeshan> theyure definitely not
[01:55:48] <zeeshan> i haven't really ever seen a haas with a hsk taper
[01:55:50] <duc> Lol. Haas as its place but not as rugged and can't hold tolerance like okoma
[01:55:55] <PetefromTn_> the one shop I worked in had their ORIGINAL HAAS a VF3 that is almost 20 years old now... it is still making parts
[01:55:56] <zeeshan> you know you're serious business when you got hsk
[01:56:00] <PCW> ssi:
[01:56:01] <PCW> http://freeby.mesanet.com/LBP.PAS
[01:56:03] <PCW> http://freeby.mesanet.com/SSLBPLOW.PAS
[01:56:16] <zeeshan> duc: i blame operator :-)
[01:56:27] <Tom_itx> i don't agree
[01:56:31] <Tom_itx> entirely
[01:56:36] <duc> I will say a bridgeport gx309 can take a fucking hit but suck overall for problems
[01:56:42] <duc> Gx300
[01:56:48] <duc> We have 50 of them
[01:56:48] <PetefromTn_> I am not arguing that a HAAS is as good as the others understand
[01:57:01] <Sync> zeeshan: depends
[01:57:02] <ssi> PCW: oh boy this looks terrifying :D
[01:57:12] <Sync> a lot of guys I know are changing back to regular tapers
[01:57:14] <PetefromTn_> but the argument that they only last 5 years is hard to swallow
[01:57:23] <jdh> wow, haven't seen any of that in years
[01:57:38] <zeeshan> wtf am i reading this code
[01:57:39] <PetefromTn_> at the end of the day they are less than half the price of most of the japan machines
[01:57:40] <zeeshan> is this assembly
[01:57:54] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ i've seen some pretty shabby operators around here... i could believe it
[01:57:59] <PCW> well the remote only needs to implement what SSLBP uses
[01:57:59] <PetefromTn_> and even if they only lasted half as long its a wash
[01:58:02] <Tom_itx> err monkeys..
[01:58:03] <duc> Yea massive row for producing one type of part. 3shifts a day
[01:58:06] <zeeshan> pcw where are the comments? :-)
[01:58:12] <ssi> there are comments
[01:58:48] <Tom_itx> i ran a row of 6 & 8 spindle lathes for several years, the week after i quit, they set an 8 spindle on fire
[01:58:49] <duc> We do have a few haas with a million+ tool changes for AL maching
[01:59:01] <zeeshan> duc: in a tier 1 supplier manufacturing plant
[01:59:04] <zeeshan> theres no such thing as haas
[01:59:15] <zeeshan> which is why i never really took haas seriously
[01:59:19] <Sync> you'd be amazed
[01:59:19] <ssi> zeeshan: what about paas?
[01:59:33] <ssi> without paas, how we goan dye our easter eggs?!
[01:59:35] <duc> We aren't auto but firearms
[01:59:45] <Sync> I know someone that does gearbox machining for a skidoo manuf
[01:59:47] <ssi> duc: oo which one
[01:59:54] <Sync> all haas + one okuma
[02:00:01] <zeeshan> Sync: they arent a tier 1 supplier
[02:00:02] <zeeshan> :p
[02:00:16] <Sync> for their market, they are
[02:00:32] <duc> Mystery. Lol
[02:00:35] <zeeshan> im not saying tier 1 as in like they're the go to for supply
[02:00:35] <ssi> figures :)
[02:00:50] <zeeshan> im saying tier1 as in if you ddon't produce 700parts with no more than 1 failed part
[02:00:54] <zeeshan> you lose your entire plant
[02:01:21] <zeeshan> those guys don't f around with haas
[02:01:34] <duc> Zeeshan is right
[02:01:45] <zeeshan> (im not saying haas is bad, but im just saying the big boys don't run them for a reason)
[02:01:47] <ssi> zeeshan is often right
[02:01:49] <ssi> but never in doubt
[02:01:51] <duc> Time is money and some industry have a small margin
[02:01:57] <PCW> ssi: the state params can be helpful when debugging (SSLBPs state will reflect when it got stuck)
[02:02:14] <ssi> PCW: I still don't have a clear idea of how to get at those
[02:02:25] <Sync> oh I actually have seen some haas and doosan in VW suppliers plants
[02:02:29] <zeeshan> i dont know why im reading the sslbp code
[02:02:30] <Sync> but not in the balls to the wall ones
[02:02:35] <zeeshan> it's so cleanly written
[02:02:36] <zeeshan> maybe thats why
[02:03:00] <PCW> they are accessible from the host (linuxcnc) side
[02:03:05] <ssi> PCW: yeah, but how? :D
[02:03:18] <zeeshan> Sync: prolly the tool room machine
[02:03:18] <zeeshan> :-)
[02:03:24] <Sync> nah
[02:03:33] <PCW> raw-read
[02:03:33] <duc> I would love a haas in my garage. But 416 ss heat treat to 38 rc is mean on machines if it's 24/7
[02:03:57] <Sync> but the one shop has gone to all dmc 105 linears
[02:04:02] <ssi> PCW: is that related to "Raw Mode" that I see in the hm2 man page?
[02:04:09] <zeeshan> Sync: how dare you support haas
[02:04:11] <zeeshan> you're german
[02:04:15] <zeeshan> it's against your blood nature
[02:04:23] <Sync> well, how can I support the dmg idiots? :D
[02:04:31] <zeeshan> haha dmg is top notch cude
[02:04:32] <PCW> I think theres a HAL pin but I dont think its valid if the remote doesn't start
[02:04:33] <zeeshan> *dude
[02:04:53] <PetefromTn_> vfdvfdvfdvfdvfdvfd.....grrr grrrrrr
[02:04:56] <ssi> If the "enable_raw" config keyword is specified, some extra debugging pins are made available in HAL. The raw mode HAL pin names begin with "hm2_<BoardType>.<BoardNum>.raw".
[02:04:59] <duc> Lol
[02:05:03] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: if my opinion matters
[02:05:04] <Sync> the only ones I can support are hermle
[02:05:09] <PCW> raw mode just lets you read bare registers
[02:05:10] <zeeshan> i'd save up for the bigger drive
[02:05:12] <zeeshan> and not f around
[02:05:13] <PetefromTn_> oh it doesn't ;)
[02:05:19] <Sync> zeeshan: their support sucks
[02:05:26] <zeeshan> Sync: i attest to that
[02:05:27] <PetefromTn_> just kidding man
[02:05:30] <ssi> not taht then
[02:05:32] <zeeshan> their support sucks if you're a small time shop
[02:05:48] <zeeshan> but they'll sniff your you know what, if youre a tier1
[02:06:20] <ssi> oh I've actually got sserial errors in console
[02:06:24] <ssi> I didn't even notice that before
[02:06:31] <PetefromTn_> you would think if Hitachi can make and sell a drive for 775 there would be chinese ones tripping over themselves for half that much...
[02:06:33] <ssi> hm2/hm2_5i25.0: hm2_sserial_waitfor: Timeout (25mS) waiting for addr 5a00 &mask ffffffff val 1004
[02:06:39] <zeeshan> duc 416 doesn't seem hard to machine in paper..
[02:06:46] <zeeshan> 85% machinability index
[02:06:53] <zeeshan> thats in par with cd steel
[02:07:07] <Sync> that might be true, but it still keeps me from getting a machine from them
[02:07:18] <PetefromTn_> from who?
[02:07:26] <Sync> dmg
[02:07:35] <PetefromTn_> DMG are nice machines
[02:07:36] <zeeshan> i think their machines look alittle dorky
[02:07:38] <duc> Not to bad but we can make d.o.c and speed.
[02:07:41] <zeeshan> with their fancy enclosures lol
[02:07:47] <ssi> I imagine that's where it's trying to dive into the ptoc
[02:07:53] <ssi> looks like there's an address backwards
[02:07:59] <duc> Take max D.O.C. Dam phone
[02:08:03] <ssi> 0x005a sounds saner than 0x5a00 for my code
[02:08:19] <ssi> the remote is running, there's a 1khz stream of processrpc
[02:08:24] <PetefromTn_> really impressed with these DMM servos and drives so far
[02:08:26] <ssi> but I have no pds reported in dmesg
[02:08:31] <PetefromTn_> even the manual is nice
[02:08:37] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you have them in your cinci right?
[02:08:42] <ssi> cinci is tecos
[02:08:48] <PetefromTn_> no I used the TECO's in the cinci
[02:08:56] <ssi> not as tasty as tacos, and way more money
[02:09:02] <PetefromTn_> which are also nice but their manual is typical chinese
[02:09:18] <duc> I was going to get some DMM but couldn't find to much info about them
[02:09:38] <PetefromTn_> I just got them and have not installed or run them yet but they certainly look legit
[02:09:47] <PetefromTn_> and DMM got them here in a HURRY
[02:09:47] <duc> Plus missed the 500 dollar sets on ebay for 750 watt motor setup
[02:09:53] <zeeshan> h,mm pete
[02:09:55] <PetefromTn_> they also made me a great deal on them
[02:09:56] <zeeshan> now you got me thinking..
[02:10:03] <zeeshan> their 1.8kW model is not too expensive
[02:10:08] <duc> What are you installing them on?
[02:10:09] <PetefromTn_> duc if you want them call them direct
[02:10:30] <PetefromTn_> a Standard Modern CNC lathe 14x45
[02:10:33] <duc> Already got yaskawa setup off ebay for same price
[02:10:44] <PetefromTn_> really?
[02:10:51] <duc> Yea
[02:10:54] <PetefromTn_> yaskawa are really good drives
[02:10:55] <zeeshan> brand new?
[02:11:38] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: im liking this:
[02:11:38] <duc> Motors are suppose to be low hours
[02:11:39] <PetefromTn_> this was a motor, driver, cables encoder/power and tuning with software shipped for under $500 an axis
[02:11:46] <zeeshan> The DYN4 servo drive accepts both single and three phase inputs for all drive models. This simplifies application and installation requirements. Input voltage is also universal 110~230VAC 50/60Hz. Compatible into any system with specific power, space or cost requirements.
[02:12:23] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan yeah?
[02:12:36] <duc> I did find the motor shaft odd on the DMM. Dmm is 14mm for 750w while yaskawa is 19mm
[02:13:19] <PetefromTn_> duc if you got a yaskawa motor driver and cables set even used for under $500 you did awesome
[02:13:40] <duc> Motor was 150, driver 169 and cable for 70
[02:13:50] <Sync> we just got one for 180€
[02:13:51] <zeeshan> new?!?!
[02:13:52] <PetefromTn_> fuck thats cheap
[02:13:53] <zeeshan> thats cheap
[02:13:58] <Sync> complete with axis, drive, motor and cable
[02:14:13] <duc> Had to buy separate but low balled people
[02:14:23] <PetefromTn_> how much is 180 whatever the hell that thingis?
[02:14:29] <zeeshan> lol
[02:14:46] <PetefromTn_> oh
[02:15:05] <PetefromTn_> I am sure you could piece together used component purchases on ebay and beat my deal
[02:15:15] <Sync> yuros
[02:15:19] * zeeshan still hasnt heard if it was new or not
[02:15:20] <zeeshan> if its used
[02:15:24] <PetefromTn_> :S
[02:15:25] <Sync> so 195usd
[02:15:25] <zeeshan> thats not a fair comparison :p
[02:15:56] <duc> Slightly used supposedly. I was really close to buying dmm just not enough info
[02:15:57] <PetefromTn_> I'm not saying I got the greatest deal in the world here LOL just that I am pretty happy with it all
[02:16:06] <PetefromTn_> not enough info?
[02:16:07] <zeeshan> LONG LIVE CANADA
[02:16:16] <PetefromTn_> :D
[02:16:21] <zeeshan> canada thanks you for your american currency
[02:16:28] <PetefromTn_> enjoy it mate!
[02:16:35] <PetefromTn_> thanks for the great deal!
[02:16:36] <duc> I even made pulley adapters for my bridgeport. What the hell will I use a 5mm keyway broach for and a 14mm reamer
[02:16:53] <zeeshan> i think the problem is you have a bridgeport
[02:16:58] <duc> Not much on forums about quality
[02:16:59] * zeeshan hides
[02:17:25] <PetefromTn_> actually DMM has been selling for a couple years now and there are lots of folks using them online
[02:17:28] <duc> Lol. Bridgeport boss 5 and leblond 15x30 was earned in a trade for a ar15
[02:17:40] <PetefromTn_> but at the end of the day its all chinese stuff anyway
[02:17:52] <PetefromTn_> for the price if something goes wrong it is cheap enough to replace
[02:17:59] <duc> BRB switching to computer
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[02:18:35] <Duc> Much better dam phone is hard
[02:19:12] <Duc> Link to the motors
[02:19:13] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/171152820529?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[02:19:33] <zeeshan> cute motor
[02:19:50] <Duc> And controller http://www.ebay.com/itm/161797026282?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[02:19:51] <zeeshan> might rip that bridgeport apart
[02:19:52] <zeeshan> :D
[02:20:14] <Duc> Probably will but then I can convice the wife I need a VMC
[02:20:20] <ssi> do those motors have encoders?
[02:20:23] <zeeshan> im kidding
[02:20:27] * zeeshan is in troll mode
[02:20:37] <ssi> looks like it, but there's no data
[02:20:42] <ssi> also can you get those funky connectors on it?
[02:20:42] <PetefromTn_> those look almost identical to my motors hehe
[02:20:48] <Duc> absolute encoders on them
[02:20:55] <ssi> oh the proprietary ones
[02:21:09] <Duc> yep but drives output a quad signal
[02:21:14] <ssi> right
[02:21:16] <ssi> locks you into their drives
[02:21:20] <ssi> and you'll need a cableset too
[02:21:24] <ssi> which isn't gonna be cheap I bet!
[02:21:33] <Duc> going to buy cables tonight once I get off my ass $70 a set
[02:21:47] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/YASKAWA-SGDV-5R5A01A-SERVO-DRIVER-750W-SGMJV-08ADA21-MOTOR-TESTED-WORKING/181803694582?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131227121020%26meid%3De112de074fc748b7bc339f0d55cb4ec1%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D161797026282
[02:22:59] <zeeshan> pcw i read a paper on torque control vs speed control
[02:23:09] <zeeshan> and i don't see why you're saying its better for Z axis
[02:23:10] <Sync> ssi: they use 4mbit hdlc
[02:23:32] <Duc> figure I spent $389 a axis including motor, drive and cable
[02:23:47] <ssi> Duc: not bad
[02:24:18] <Duc> Im cheap since I dont make anything off the mill for money. Plasma table has made some
[02:24:36] <PetefromTn_> thats a low price and definitely worth it. I am happy with the DMM's tho. a bit more money but all brand new ready to go
[02:24:59] <PCW> zeeshan: It depends on the drive: with a simple velocty mode drive you cannot do torque offset to balance gravity
[02:25:03] <Duc> I will have to follow your build to see if thats for the next project
[02:25:23] <PetefromTn_> I ALMOST went with DMM for the Cincinatti
[02:25:29] <ssi> torque offset to balance gravity
[02:25:31] <ssi> that sounds cool
[02:25:35] <ssi> Sync: think we can do that in stmbl?
[02:25:41] <zeeshan> PCW: but the problem is if you're in torque mode, and you crash into something
[02:25:41] <Duc> What stopped you
[02:25:47] <zeeshan> it'll try to accelerate even harder
[02:25:50] <PCW> (for un-counterbalnced Z Axis on a mill)
[02:25:56] <PetefromTn_> but at the time their price was higher than Teco by a few bucks an axis and they were in Canada so I was concerned right off the bat...
[02:26:11] <zeeshan> and how do you predict the moment of inertia of the system?
[02:26:20] <ssi> PetefromTn_: yeah I'd be concerned too man... I mean, it's canada
[02:26:23] <PetefromTn_> I mean lets face it nothing good comes from Canada ;)
[02:26:31] <PCW> nope torque is where that belongs (so the velocity loop sees a symmetrical system)
[02:26:33] <Duc> LOL Im almost canada since I lived in ND
[02:26:44] <Duc> for 17 years
[02:26:52] <PetefromTn_> jeez don't you freeze your frackin' ass off in winter?
[02:27:05] <Duc> Im now in AL
[02:27:15] <PetefromTn_> ah
[02:27:49] <ssi> Duc: now I know who you work for :D
[02:27:54] <Duc> LOL
[02:27:58] <PetefromTn_> the guys at DMM were very helpful on the phone both times I talked to them and they responded via email as quickly as could be expected considering the time difference
[02:28:25] <Sync> ssi: yes, most probably
[02:28:28] <Duc> I got excellent service for emails from them. Even weekend replies
[02:28:35] <PetefromTn_> ya know what else?
[02:28:47] <PetefromTn_> I was expecting to have to pay customs fees
[02:28:50] <ssi> Sync: sic crinq on it
[02:29:02] <PetefromTn_> DMM said the fees were typically somewhere between 2 and 8 percent
[02:29:06] <ssi> I blowed up my code again
[02:29:09] <ssi> and reverting it didn't fix it
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[02:29:11] <ssi> that drives me nuts
[02:29:22] <PetefromTn_> but the driver from DHL delivered right to my door
[02:29:27] <PetefromTn_> I signed and he left
[02:29:36] <PetefromTn_> will I be billed for it later or something?
[02:29:37] <zeeshan> bill comes a couple days alater
[02:29:39] <zeeshan> yes
[02:29:41] <zeeshan> dhl is lame like that
[02:29:49] <Sync> ssi: that is why rene bought the yaskawa drive
[02:29:50] <PetefromTn_> shit
[02:29:57] <Duc> Interesting. I know CNC4PC had the 750 kit for $700 but I should have called to check on the $500 kit
[02:30:01] <zeeshan> honestly i think that's a massive scam
[02:30:08] <zeeshan> cause you could reject the package
[02:30:12] <zeeshan> but they take that choice away from you
[02:30:20] <ssi> Sync: ah cool
[02:30:22] <zeeshan> by not infomring you the customs charges at the time of delivery
[02:30:35] <Sync> you can always just request to deal with customs yourself
[02:30:37] <PetefromTn_> Duc honestly I TRIED to get them from CNC4PC
[02:30:38] <ssi> Sync: gonna RE the yaskawa absolute encoder format?
[02:30:43] <zeeshan> sync hav eyou tried that?
[02:30:46] <zeeshan> that's another major scam !
[02:30:47] <PetefromTn_> he refused to work with me
[02:30:50] <zeeshan> i tried!
[02:30:54] <Sync> we basically reverse engineered it already ssi
[02:30:56] <Sync> yes zeeshan
[02:30:59] <Sync> I do it all the time
[02:31:01] <ssi> cool
[02:31:02] <zeeshan> its hard up here
[02:31:43] <Sync> here I tell them, nothanks plz gtfo with your bill, I'll handle it
[02:31:45] <PetefromTn_> we went back and forth for several days after he initially said he would be able to make a similar deal to that ebay sale
[02:32:05] <zeeshan> are these chinese drives?
[02:32:18] <Duc> Still wondering why the difference in motor shaft sizes.
[02:32:33] <PetefromTn_> but at the end of the day he did not come down much off his original posted price
[02:32:47] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I believe they are chinese but I honestly don't know
[02:32:56] <zeeshan> does it have a made in sticker
[02:33:07] <PetefromTn_> duc I dunno man but 14mm is plenty for a motor of this size
[02:33:23] <zeeshan> what rpm is your servo
[02:33:27] <zeeshan> peak
[02:33:37] <ssi> Sync: how come your compatriots dont stay up all night like you do?
[02:33:40] <Duc> no doubt.
[02:33:47] <PetefromTn_> dunno I was trying to take a picture for you guys but my damn cellphone croaked and I had to charge it ;)
[02:33:50] <ssi> my work schedule is interfering with my german hackfest schedule
[02:33:51] <ssi> :(
[02:34:03] <Duc> 3000 RPM but let me check max
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[02:35:28] <PetefromTn_> mine are 3k RPM 2,4nm
[02:36:22] <Sync> ssi: crinq is awake, we're discussing the nextgen™®© hardware
[02:36:26] <Duc> max 6,000 RPM
[02:36:51] <Duc> @2.4 NM
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[02:36:56] <PetefromTn_> Holy smokes both the drives and the motors say made in canada
[02:37:00] <ssi> Sync: I hope you're gonna keep the eagle files in git as you work on it, I want to weigh in :)
[02:37:23] <Sync> we're slowly migrating to kicad
[02:37:36] <mozmck> what are you making?
[02:37:41] <Duc> acutally 3k rpm @2.4 then drops off to 1 NM at 6k RPM
[02:38:24] <Sync> you can already look at the bob if you want ssi
[02:38:33] <ssi> Sync: yea I want
[02:38:37] <ssi> mozmck: SECRETS
[02:38:51] <mozmck> :)
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[02:40:46] <zeeshan> 14mm = .551"; Torque using 3000rpm, 1hp: T = 5252*1/3000=1.751 ft-lb, shear stress = Tr / J . assume mild steel shaft, shear yield strength is .577*30000psi = 17310psi. , shear stress = ((1.751*12)*(.551/2))/(pi*.551^4/32) = 640 psi
[02:40:53] <zeeshan> hopefully i didnt make a calc error
[02:40:59] <zeeshan> but i think you're safe with a 14mm shaft :p
[02:41:21] <Duc> I was to dam lazy to break out the ME math
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[02:41:40] <zeeshan> never assume
[02:41:42] <zeeshan> calculate
[02:41:43] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[02:42:31] <PetefromTn_> I aalways figured motor shafts were stainless
[02:42:37] <Duc> I would question that result cause otherwise the chinese would make it with a smaller shaft
[02:43:08] <PetefromTn_> apparently its not chinese :D
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[02:44:22] <Duc> Hm what how long of a cable I need for the x-axis
[02:44:42] <PetefromTn_> I got 5 meter cable sets for my lathe
[02:45:14] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/KMeT6oW.png
[02:45:16] <Sync> nah PetefromTn_
[02:45:17] <zeeshan> fak you fea
[02:45:20] <zeeshan> always slightly off
[02:45:23] <Sync> I got plenty of rusted servo shafts
[02:45:31] <zeeshan> 1133psi it says
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[02:45:44] <PetefromTn_> Sync LOL
[02:45:49] <zeeshan> fatigue is prolly around 6x that number
[02:45:59] <zeeshan> so its still 3 times bigger than it needs t obe
[02:46:00] <zeeshan> :P
[02:46:07] <PetefromTn_> hehe for this small a motor I am sure its fine
[02:46:32] <zeeshan> i was reading an article a while back because i was curious why motor frames dictate shaft size
[02:46:36] <zeeshan> cause i didnt see the relatiosnhip
[02:46:42] <zeeshan> apparently it was a silly thing done back on the day
[02:46:42] <PetefromTn_> I had nema 34 1125 oz in motors on my RF45 DC servos and the shafts were even smaller than these
[02:46:50] <zeeshan> it has nothing to do with the shaft failing
[02:47:02] <Sync> yeah
[02:47:04] <Sync> it is just because
[02:47:08] <zeeshan> yea "just because"
[02:47:09] <zeeshan> lol
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[02:47:18] <zeeshan> "looks about right"
[02:47:33] <PetefromTn_> I figured it had more to do with the size of the motors internals than anything else
[02:47:37] <Duc> or if they used a standard material size since custom sizes cost more
[02:47:53] <Sync> they are usually always ground
[02:48:00] <Sync> so standard sizes don't matter
[02:48:11] <Duc> Ground stock still comes in standard sizes
[02:48:31] <PetefromTn_> its probably ground at the manufacturer
[02:48:48] <PetefromTn_> of the motor
[02:48:48] <Sync> yeah but rotors don't come in standard sizes
[02:49:00] <Duc> Not if they can get away from it. Cost money and a person to operate a centerless grinder
[02:49:08] <PetefromTn_> this is so awesome I am FINALLY gonna have a CNC lathe here
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[02:49:21] <zeeshan> im happy for you :D
[02:49:38] <PetefromTn_> I can't wait to make a CHESS SET!! ;)
[02:49:55] <zeeshan> ssi, so i heard you're buying a tormach?
[02:50:03] <ssi> did you?
[02:50:05] <ssi> nobody told me
[02:50:07] <zeeshan> :D
[02:50:09] <PetefromTn_> lol
[02:50:09] <Duc> Lucky, No more tools till I get a work shop only so much fits in a 2 car garage
[02:50:18] <PetefromTn_> heh
[02:50:23] <ssi> I can't own tormach, it's got mach right in the name
[02:50:27] <PetefromTn_> I have a VMC and a CNC lathe in a 2 car garage
[02:50:28] <zeeshan> you should buy one
[02:50:33] <zeeshan> and mill it into pieces w/ your machine
[02:50:36] <ssi> lol
[02:50:45] <ssi> sounds like a lot of money that I could use to build another laser :)
[02:50:50] <zeeshan> your table prolly has a 1500lb capacity?
[02:50:50] <zeeshan> :D
[02:50:54] <ssi> I dunno what it is
[02:50:55] <Duc> Surface grinder, 5x5 ft plasma table, 15x30 lathe, bridgeport cnc mill and a massive toolbox
[02:50:57] <ssi> I'm sure it's a lot
[02:50:57] <PetefromTn_> I think its funny how zeeshan hates tormach LOL
[02:51:04] <zeeshan> dude i'll make sure you get 100,000,000 views
[02:51:21] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i think it's cause of john nycnc
[02:51:30] <PetefromTn_> Oh I got more than that in here man LOL
[02:51:31] <zeeshan> i had the hardest laugh the other day
[02:51:37] <zeeshan> and i swear, i am not trying to be a dick or anything
[02:51:44] <zeeshan> when he announced he's offering cnc classes
[02:51:44] <zeeshan> ROFL
[02:51:45] <PetefromTn_> Oh perish the thought
[02:51:54] <zeeshan> he's starting a school or something
[02:52:01] <PetefromTn_> WOW
[02:52:03] <Duc> in time in time
[02:52:20] <zeeshan> that noob is going to be teaching others....... scary thought
[02:52:35] <PetefromTn_> duc this is not a hobby for me man I am trying to make money in here as crazy as that may sound
[02:53:06] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I did something I have never done before at the shop today
[02:53:07] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: trying?!
[02:53:08] <zeeshan> you already are :d
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[02:53:13] <Duc> at least your making money. Mine is for fun on the weekend for an hour
[02:53:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah so far it is looking pretty good
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[02:53:53] <Duc> I did build a 20mm rifle with the crap at least
[02:54:07] <zeeshan> what did you do
[02:54:23] <PetefromTn_> we are building that RX7 that has the LS-A motor in it
[02:54:29] <Duc> a 20 mike mike rifle. Makes a 50 BMG look like childs play
[02:54:36] <ssi> nice
[02:54:42] <zeeshan> wait
[02:54:46] <zeeshan> he's keeping the supercharger on it??
[02:54:49] <zeeshan> fd??
[02:54:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is blown
[02:54:55] <zeeshan> !!!!!!
[02:54:57] <zeeshan> dude snap some pics
[02:55:02] <zeeshan> thats a unique build
[02:55:05] <PetefromTn_> supposed to make like 575hp
[02:55:11] <PetefromTn_> I will
[02:55:13] <zeeshan> yea it makes that stock
[02:55:14] <Duc> Look up 20mm rifle build Pirate4x4
[02:55:19] <zeeshan> but you can easily push 650 out of them
[02:55:26] <zeeshan> with not much changes
[02:55:27] <PetefromTn_> thats what they were saying
[02:55:34] <PetefromTn_> anyways
[02:55:45] <Duc> That will be a fun car
[02:55:47] <PetefromTn_> they pulled the motor and tremec tranny out of it
[02:55:59] <PetefromTn_> and put on the new fender flares
[02:56:13] <PetefromTn_> and the new front clip and side skirts that Sync despises ;)
[02:56:21] <zeeshan> noooooooooo
[02:56:21] <PetefromTn_> and they were like
[02:56:24] <PetefromTn_> say pete
[02:56:37] <ssi> Duc: is it rifled?
[02:56:47] <PetefromTn_> do you think you can tig weld up all the excess holes in the front frame section and the bodywork in the engine bay>
[02:56:58] <PetefromTn_> I was like uuuhhh I guess so
[02:57:09] <Duc> yes its a vulcan 20mm barrel that is over 55inch long
[02:57:10] <PetefromTn_> so they were like....get crackin'
[02:57:14] <zeeshan> haha
[02:57:16] <zeeshan> thats a lot of welding
[02:57:18] <ssi> oh you used an existing barrel?
[02:57:28] <PetefromTn_> honestly I did it in like two and a half hours
[02:57:36] <Duc> yea designed the bolt system and barrel extension out of S7 tool steel
[02:57:40] <PetefromTn_> die grinder with sanding disks
[02:57:45] <PetefromTn_> knock off the paint
[02:57:50] <Duc> dam bolt is about the size of a soda can
[02:57:52] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: now we both have some japanese paint inside our body
[02:57:57] <PetefromTn_> clean the area and hit it with thick rod
[02:57:59] <zeeshan> the lovely smell of old jap paint
[02:58:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah it stinks LOL
[02:58:13] <R2E4_> hiya Pete
[02:58:20] <R2E4_> PCW and all
[02:58:23] <PetefromTn_> did you smooth the engine bay in your FD?
[02:58:27] <PetefromTn_> Hey R2
[02:58:28] <zeeshan> no
[02:58:30] <ssi> that would be a scary first test fire
[02:58:37] <zeeshan> but i did remove a lot of extra holes when doing body work
[02:58:47] <Duc> Hopefully soon been working to dam much
[02:58:48] <zeeshan> like my trunk has no holes for spoiler or rear wiper
[02:58:52] <PetefromTn_> it was kind of funny
[02:58:55] <zeeshan> and i got rid of the antenna hole
[02:59:10] <PetefromTn_> they asked me to do this and then they had to leave to meet a customer or something
[02:59:24] <PetefromTn_> they came back an hour or two later and I was cleaning up
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[02:59:32] <PetefromTn_> they were like HOLY SHIT you finished?
[02:59:33] <Duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/20MM%20Rifle/20140825_215245_zpsp25hmcge.jpg
[02:59:35] <zeeshan> hahaha
[02:59:40] <zeeshan> nice!
[02:59:43] <zeeshan> you shoulda slowedddddddd down
[02:59:56] <PetefromTn_> they only marked the holes they wanted sealed up with a sharpie
[03:00:07] <PetefromTn_> most were on the front frame and in front of the wheel wells
[03:00:12] <PetefromTn_> so he is like
[03:00:20] <Duc> machined my own lower from scratch also
[03:00:32] <PetefromTn_> jeez man if I had known you could do it that fast I would have had you do BEHIND the wheel wells too
[03:00:50] <PetefromTn_> so tomorrow morning they are marking the ones behind there for me to seal up
[03:00:50] <zeeshan> dude you have to make plugs
[03:01:11] <PetefromTn_> for larger holes yeah
[03:01:27] <PetefromTn_> but most of these were easily fillable with just rod
[03:01:38] <zeeshan> nice
[03:01:47] <R2E4_> you arc welding?
[03:02:01] <PetefromTn_> the square ones that are on the sides I made little square pieces for
[03:02:05] <PetefromTn_> no tig
[03:02:19] <R2E4_> ah.... was going to say, they still arc weld today? lol
[03:02:29] <zeeshan> technically tig is arc welding
[03:02:30] <zeeshan> gtaw :)
[03:02:31] <zeeshan> smaw!
[03:02:33] <PetefromTn_> lots of people arc weld
[03:02:40] <Duc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmfn38Y-RHE
[03:02:42] <R2E4_> mig would be easier to fill jholes no?
[03:02:47] <zeeshan> yes it is
[03:02:50] <PetefromTn_> and yeah technically TIg is an arc weld
[03:03:04] <zeeshan> Duc: that is apretty frigging big ass bullet
[03:03:11] <Duc> mig works well with a piece of copper behind the hole
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[03:03:24] <zeeshan> good luck getting copper behind some of those holes
[03:03:25] <zeeshan> :D
[03:03:30] <zeeshan> it'll be part of the car!
[03:03:59] <zeeshan> i wish canada gun laws werent as tight as they are
[03:04:00] <zeeshan> :/
[03:04:02] <Duc> I want to turn the mill into a mill turn to make a copper hollow point for a hog kill
[03:04:06] <PetefromTn_> after I get them all welded up I will snap a pic for ya
[03:04:06] <zeeshan> we cant own cool guns up here
[03:04:19] <Duc> also have a tax stamp to make a suppressor for the 20mm LOL
[03:04:26] <PetefromTn_> I have shot a few .50 BMG rifles
[03:04:31] <PetefromTn_> they are impressive
[03:04:37] <zeeshan> i havent shot shit
[03:04:38] <zeeshan> =/
[03:04:42] <PetefromTn_> but I fail to see the usefulness unless you are a marine
[03:04:48] <zeeshan> my friend has like 30 guns
[03:04:52] <zeeshan> hes always showing them off to me
[03:04:58] <Duc> imagine working in the firearm industry and seeing how many guns you buy
[03:04:59] <R2E4_> I shot in the military.
[03:05:13] <R2E4_> sharp shooter 9mm and shotgun.
[03:05:15] <zeeshan> r2e4: canadian military doesnt count
[03:05:16] <zeeshan> :-)
[03:05:26] <PetefromTn_> I have several guns and a couple target airguns
[03:05:33] <R2E4_> I am an American, I was in the US NAvy on Nuclear submarines
[03:05:34] <PetefromTn_> I really enjoy shooting
[03:05:37] <zeeshan> no c7?
[03:05:37] <zeeshan> oh
[03:05:53] <zeeshan> whyd you move to canada? :D
[03:06:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah I shot in the military as well of course
[03:06:03] <R2E4_> Big Boobs and nice accent.
[03:06:06] <zeeshan> rofl
[03:06:44] <Duc> canadian woman were hot
[03:07:04] <PetefromTn_> I shot marksmen pistol and sharpshooter rifle...I am not that great with a pistol
[03:07:14] <zeeshan> guns are heavy
[03:07:20] <zeeshan> *rfiles
[03:07:30] <Duc> I suck at shooting but own 8 1911's for some reason
[03:07:38] <zeeshan> those can be light
[03:07:50] <zeeshan> i dont understand why rim fire bullets exist?
[03:07:57] <zeeshan> seems like a dumb design
[03:08:00] <zeeshan> asking for an accident
[03:08:03] <PetefromTn_> I can hit what I need to but in competition I did not do near as well with the pistol as I do with the rifle
[03:08:11] <R2E4_> They had 9mm back when I was in. dont know what they carry now.
[03:08:29] <PetefromTn_> we shot 9mm Beretta 92fs
[03:08:39] <Duc> Cheap and a blast to shoot. 3cents per round for rim fire but 35 cents for 9mm
[03:08:51] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: isn't that why you would expect?
[03:08:57] <PetefromTn_> there have been bazillions of rimfire rounds shot without incident
[03:09:02] <zeeshan> the rifle has a longer barrel so it helps guide the bullet?
[03:09:06] * zeeshan doesn't know shit
[03:09:12] <zeeshan> why = what
[03:09:14] <R2E4_> Pete, I got the motors to turn last noight....\
[03:09:15] <PetefromTn_> well comparatively I mean
[03:09:25] <PetefromTn_> R2 great man
[03:09:36] <PetefromTn_> I have been playing with My DMM servos
[03:09:47] <PetefromTn_> hopefully I will be running here soon myself
[03:09:52] <zeeshan> In 2007 and 2008, Canada donated 2,500 surplus C7 rifles to the Afghan National Army.[18] In 2011, the ANA gave back the C7s since the Afghan security forces chose the American M16 instead. Canadian Forces officials said the Canadian rifles would be shipped to Canada for disposa
[03:09:54] <R2E4_> Didnt change the ferror, it was too small.
[03:09:57] <PetefromTn_> what motors and drives did you use again?
[03:09:59] <zeeshan> that's how bad our c7 rifles are
[03:10:03] <zeeshan> even the afghans dont want em
[03:10:09] <zeeshan> for free. haha
[03:10:10] <Duc> lol
[03:10:24] <R2E4_> Forgot to increase it, DRO's didnt move, encoder issues I have to figure out.
[03:10:45] <PetefromTn_> huh
[03:10:53] <R2E4_> Big ass mo fo's for a CNC router, Chineese 1500 watt
[03:11:00] <PetefromTn_> so you did change the ferror or you didn't?
[03:11:10] <PetefromTn_> HOLY CRAP?
[03:11:17] <PetefromTn_> 1500 watt for a router?
[03:11:34] <Duc> dam is the structure strong enough for the force
[03:11:38] <R2E4_> yeah brought it to 1, and the motors moved, no control cause the encoders were registering.
[03:12:07] <PetefromTn_> so they ran away/
[03:12:09] <R2E4_> Its a monster 5 X 12 table out of 4" tube and 3060 extrusion
[03:12:25] <Duc> ah
[03:12:32] <R2E4_> Did have the roller pinion nexgen connected so nothing moved.
[03:12:35] <PetefromTn_> you running duals on the long axis?
[03:12:40] <R2E4_> yes
[03:12:44] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[03:12:53] <PetefromTn_> that is massive overkill I would think
[03:12:53] <Duc> what size spindle
[03:13:05] <R2E4_> 3kw chineese for now.
[03:13:29] <Duc> uh a smaller motors could have been used then
[03:13:38] <Duc> direct drive or gear reduction?
[03:13:48] <R2E4_> The Gantry is 350 lbs\
[03:14:01] <PetefromTn_> you running rack and pinion?
[03:14:09] <R2E4_> Planetary gears 10:1 I think they are
[03:14:25] <R2E4_> Rack and roller pinion
[03:14:34] <PetefromTn_> man
[03:14:55] <Duc> shit
[03:14:57] <R2E4_> https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=nexgen+roller+pinion&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-002
[03:15:02] <PetefromTn_> I have never built one but I would think that is way more motor than you need
[03:15:30] <PetefromTn_> hey thats a nice rack and pinion setup
[03:15:39] <R2E4_> Thats what the guy wanted. I built it with 925 oz/in steppers, I told him they wouldnt be strong enough.
[03:16:01] <Duc> I know my plasma table gantry weights 100lbs and uses 620 oz/in motors with 3:1 gearing
[03:16:06] <Duc> freaking zips
[03:16:08] <PetefromTn_> on a big table like that I would want servos just for the speed of it
[03:16:13] <R2E4_> So he researched and bought everything, I made the pieces for him on my VMC
[03:16:25] <R2E4_> HE has got servos now
[03:16:27] <PetefromTn_> nice
[03:16:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know
[03:17:27] <R2E4_> His spindle wont be strong enough. IT will be ok, but if he had a real spindle, damn that wpuld be nice. He is goping to upgrade and have me build a topol changer for him.
[03:18:20] <PetefromTn_> it should rip pretty good with that kind of power which will be really nice on a router. moving across 12 feet should be quick
[03:19:16] <R2E4_> Yeah, he wont have any problem.
[03:19:34] <R2E4_> drivers for them, going to make a plasma cutter.
[03:20:05] <R2E4_> All the brackets for the car I am building would be nice with a plasma cutter instead of a mill....lol
[03:21:21] <Duc> for plasma setup, you cant beat a CandCNC setup for the torch height control
[03:22:00] <PetefromTn_> I think mesanet makes something for that
[03:23:45] <Duc> maybe but for ease of setup I would do CandCNC again in a heatbeat. beats torchmate systems
[03:25:42] <PetefromTn_> I think I just bought a kennametal turning and facing tool with inserts for a great price.... WOOHOO FIRST LATHE TOOL FOR THE CNC!!
[03:25:45] <R2E4_> yeah, I dont know what I am going to do for THC yet
[03:26:19] <R2E4_> ooooh, Im jealous. I want a CNC Lathe
[03:27:05] <PetefromTn_> I can't wait to be able to use this thing
[03:27:13] <R2E4_> Does the CandCNC take control of the Z?
[03:27:14] <PetefromTn_> I am still ordering parts here tho hehe
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[03:27:30] <R2E4_> you buy Teco servos and drives again?
[03:28:23] <PetefromTn_> no actually
[03:28:32] <PetefromTn_> I went with the DMM tech servos from canada
[03:28:55] <Duc> Full control of Z
[03:29:13] <R2E4_> Yeah, I just checked, its 1,100.00 for the 3000.
[03:29:40] <R2E4_> Pete, you put your hands in harms way with canadian Products? lol
[03:29:43] <Duc> Can program sheetcam to lockout Z movement on corners, adjust speed of Z, slow down a percentage in the corners but requires mach3.
[03:29:44] <PetefromTn_> whats a 3000?
[03:30:13] <R2E4_> Torch height control
[03:30:14] <PetefromTn_> LOL at Canada comment
[03:30:42] <R2E4_> Mach who>?
[03:31:19] <R2E4_> I wouldnt trust Mach3 to run my conveyor.
[03:31:53] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[03:31:58] <Duc> Ive had no issues with the plasma table.
[03:32:18] <R2E4_> http://candcnc.com/index.php/plug-n-run/mp3000-dthc-series/mp3500-dthciv-ethercut-61-detail
[03:32:24] <R2E4_> The penguion is on the box
[03:32:28] <Duc> The plugin for mach3 works like a champ for CandCNC.
[03:32:45] <PetefromTn_> woohoo penguin FTW!!
[03:32:56] <Duc> dam thats new
[03:34:28] <R2E4_> I was thinking of this one.... https://www.fastcutcnc.com/cutting-tables/accessories/torch-height-control/
[03:35:57] <Duc> Just go with CandCNC believe me
[03:36:12] <PetefromTn_> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=128
[03:36:48] <R2E4_> No way......
[03:37:01] <Duc> Shit what is the custom cost from South Korea?
[03:38:36] <PetefromTn_> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204536202675426&set=pcb.957895884280548&type=3&theater
[03:38:50] <R2E4_> I would imagine The DAC into analog input on 7i77 would work with that mesa THC
[03:39:22] <PetefromTn_> I would think so but I would ask PCW about it. I am sure if it says mesanet on it it is probably kick ass...
[03:39:43] <R2E4_> pete, that link doesnt work.
[03:39:59] <R2E4_> PCW around?
[03:40:29] <R2E4_> Gots to be something else needed with that THC
[03:41:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah like I said I don't know how it works. I have not built my plasma cutter....YET
[03:44:21] <Duc> What cutter will you be going with
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[03:44:21] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-KENNAMETAL-MDJNL-123B-3-4-SHANK-INDEXABLE-TURNING-TOOL-HOLDER-/381455688774?hash=item58d087e446:g:LGAAAOSw-vlVnqzp
[03:44:25] <PetefromTn_> just got one like that
[03:45:28] <R2E4_> It says I quit....
[03:46:06] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[03:46:16] <R2E4_> Your gonna put that in your CNC Lathe?
[03:46:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah why?
[03:46:30] <Duc> I would recommend a Hypertherm plasma cutter
[03:46:44] <R2E4_> I already have one
[03:46:50] <Duc> What size
[03:47:09] <R2E4_> I have one like that Pete. I use it on my conventional
[03:48:15] <R2E4_> Pro-cut 85
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[03:48:33] <R2E4_> Just checked, lincoln pro-cut 85
[03:49:52] <Duc> ah havent dealt with lincoln cutters but I wont touch a Cutmaster again. I do enjoy the Powermax65
[03:50:42] <R2E4_> Pete: I was thinking on putting two axis on my Colchester student conventional lathe.
[03:51:28] <PetefromTn_> honestly if the lathe is large enough and precise enough for your needs I say why not?
[03:51:59] <PetefromTn_> my lathe was born a CNC lathe but I ALMOST CNC'd my asian 12x36 before I got this Standard Modern CNC lathe
[03:52:11] <Duc> Time to call it a night
[03:52:15] <Duc> work starts early
[03:53:02] <R2E4_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAZAK-SLANT-TURN-40N-X1500-CNC-LATHE-NR/191678920981?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D0802c55a1c5c449da1be852dacf660c8%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201457973177
[03:53:09] <R2E4_> Thats what I want
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[03:53:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah that's what I want too but I doubt I could power it here
[03:55:30] <zeeshan> FUCK! finally!!!!!!!!!!
[03:55:32] <zeeshan> results make sense
[03:55:34] <PetefromTn_> https://uwaterloo.ca/engineering-machine-shop/sites/ca.engineering-machine-shop/files/styles/field-slideshow-slide/public/uploads/images/0109.jpg?itok=MCsRTpjg This is what my machine looks like
[03:55:38] * zeeshan apologizes for the excitement
[03:55:46] <zeeshan> you dont have that box?
[03:55:52] <zeeshan> that'd be sweeeeeeeeeeeet for a computer
[03:56:03] <PetefromTn_> nope
[03:56:09] <zeeshan> do you have that sliding cover
[03:56:11] <PetefromTn_> I think its kinda ugly tho
[03:56:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have the sliding cover and most of the enclosure
[03:56:24] <zeeshan> it would be ugly with a lcd screen1 :D
[03:56:27] <zeeshan> nice dude
[03:56:31] <zeeshan> i can't wait to see this
[03:56:40] <zeeshan> do you have a chuck on it?
[03:56:44] <zeeshan> (collet chuck)
[03:56:59] <PetefromTn_> no there is no chuck at all unfortunately
[03:57:03] <R2E4_> Thats cool Pete. What did you pay foir it if you dont mind me asking
[03:57:10] <zeeshan> what kind of mounting?
[03:57:10] <PetefromTn_> $500
[03:57:14] <zeeshan> jesus
[03:57:15] <zeeshan> haha
[03:57:18] <R2E4_> JEEZ!!!!!
[03:57:21] <PetefromTn_> I THINK it is a D1-5
[03:57:32] <zeeshan> okay so something you can get a backing plate for easily
[03:57:34] <R2E4_> They have anymore? lol
[03:57:34] <PetefromTn_> not bad huh
[03:57:50] <PetefromTn_> heh doubt it but the guy had a shitload of machines there
[03:57:51] <zeeshan> i dont blame you for selling your 12x36
[03:58:06] <PetefromTn_> honestly I wish I hadn't
[03:58:16] <zeeshan> you wont wish that when your cnc lathe is running
[03:58:16] <PetefromTn_> it would be nice to have both machines
[03:58:18] <zeeshan> =D
[03:58:42] <R2E4_> I dont think I'd sell mine. Nothing like throwing something on it and ripping a part out in 5 minutes....
[03:58:42] <zeeshan> dontcha think cnc is better than manual?
[03:58:45] <PetefromTn_> I wish I could see what kinda damn toolpost is in the picture tho ;)
[03:58:51] <zeeshan> i use the keyboard
[03:58:53] <zeeshan> to cut pasrts all the time
[03:59:00] <zeeshan> the only thing is you lose feedback from the handles
[03:59:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah on this machine I think it will be the best of both worlds
[03:59:24] <zeeshan> i was considering keeping the 12x36 in the basement and making it manual
[03:59:24] <PetefromTn_> kind of a good sized CNC /manual
[03:59:28] <zeeshan> but i didnt really see a reason to
[04:00:09] <R2E4_> I like the copntrols on the cover slide
[04:00:31] <PetefromTn_> really I kinda hate that LOL
[04:00:38] <PetefromTn_> I mean the EStop is cool
[04:00:46] <R2E4_> Thats going tobe sweet.
[04:00:59] <PetefromTn_> but I think it would be kind of difficult to control things on a cover that slides
[04:01:05] <PetefromTn_> I am hoping so
[04:01:15] <PetefromTn_> I mean the basic machine is pretty nice
[04:01:31] <PetefromTn_> and it is a helluva lot more rigid and powerful than my 12x36
[04:01:34] <zeeshan> pete
[04:01:35] <zeeshan> i found a pic
[04:01:36] <zeeshan> http://www.alliedmachinery.com/picture/standard%20modern%20cnc%20lathe%20(1).jpg
[04:01:38] <R2E4_> Nice to be able to stick your nose in there and not have to come all the way out to jog or whatever. Just reach back and go\
[04:01:41] <zeeshan> same machine., longer bed
[04:01:44] <PetefromTn_> plus the full enclosure will be nice too..
[04:01:46] <zeeshan> can you see what is on the tool post :-)))))0
[04:02:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is the FUTURE for me I hope
[04:02:17] <zeeshan> looks like a bolt on tool changer
[04:02:19] <zeeshan> rotary style
[04:02:23] <PetefromTn_> I have been trying to find an auto toolchanger that is reasonable priced
[04:02:50] <PetefromTn_> the only one I can find that is reasonable new is the one from microkinetics in Ga.
[04:02:57] <zeeshan> http://www.alliedmachinery.com/picture/standard%20modern%20cnc%20lathe%20(5).html
[04:02:59] <zeeshan> found a beter pic!
[04:03:24] <PetefromTn_> http://www.microkinetics.com/index.php?page=lathe1236/lathe about halfway down the page
[04:03:39] <PetefromTn_> wow
[04:03:46] <PetefromTn_> that LOOKS just like my crossslide
[04:04:07] <zeeshan> thats a beefy cross slide
[04:04:14] <PetefromTn_> GOD that would be so kickass to have on there
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[04:04:34] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGtXVBRTZIA
[04:04:38] <zeeshan> heres a video of that machine in action
[04:04:46] <zeeshan> it shows the operation of that tool changer
[04:05:13] <zeeshan> sounds pneumatic
[04:05:27] <PetefromTn_> I have a strange machinist's hard on right now ;)
[04:05:59] <zeeshan> its painful watching that guy type commands
[04:06:02] <zeeshan> on that keyboard haha
[04:06:15] <PetefromTn_> that is so wierd that looks identical to my machine just longer
[04:06:31] <zeeshan> http://www.alliedmachinery.com/equipment/100393.html
[04:06:34] <zeeshan> its 17" swing
[04:06:40] <zeeshan> 100" c-c
[04:06:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah mine is only 14.5
[04:06:46] <zeeshan> but i bet same machine overall
[04:06:51] <zeeshan> 2.06 spindle bore
[04:07:01] <zeeshan> mt4 tailstock
[04:07:08] <zeeshan> http://www.alliedmachinery.com/equipment/100393.html
[04:07:10] <zeeshan> di-6
[04:07:18] <zeeshan> if the bore is the same, i bet yours is a di-6 also
[04:07:28] <PetefromTn_> hang on lemme measure it
[04:07:33] <PetefromTn_> I think it is smaller tho
[04:07:43] <R2E4_> Can you put a pot on a 7i77 analog input and control the spindle speed? I would think you could.
[04:07:53] <zeeshan> r2e4: yes
[04:08:03] <PetefromTn_> vfd will control speed
[04:08:04] <zeeshan> but why do you wanna do that??
[04:08:19] <R2E4_> I just saw that on that video you posted.
[04:08:32] <R2E4_> same reason that guy did.....lol
[04:08:33] <zeeshan> use the pot as an mpg input
[04:08:39] <zeeshan> and let the computer do the conversion
[04:09:00] <zeeshan> i forget if the mesa has an analog in
[04:09:07] <R2E4_> yes it does
[04:09:16] <R2E4_> its opnly 12 bit I think
[04:09:22] <zeeshan> mpg input right?
[04:09:30] <R2E4_> no
[04:09:30] <zeeshan> i think pins 16 17 18
[04:09:31] <zeeshan> oir something
[04:09:41] <R2E4_> 16,17,18,19
[04:09:51] <R2E4_> I have my mpg on 16 and 17
[04:10:08] <R2E4_> Any input canbe analog
[04:10:22] <PetefromTn_> my spindle bore is like 1.6"
[04:10:28] <zeeshan> darn
[04:10:32] <PetefromTn_> I am pretty sure it is D1-5
[04:10:34] <zeeshan> likely a different mount then
[04:10:34] <zeeshan> =/
[04:10:47] <PetefromTn_> hey thats bigger than my 12x36 ;)
[04:10:55] <zeeshan> hehe
[04:11:04] <PetefromTn_> and more than big enough for barrel work and what I want to do with it
[04:11:15] <zeeshan> being able to put a 1.5" round bar is going to be useful
[04:11:19] <PetefromTn_> man watching that video was cool
[04:11:45] <R2E4_> IS your spindle belt driven Pete?
[04:11:59] <PetefromTn_> its funny the machine looks identical to mine but it is bigger
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[04:12:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is direct drive multi vee belt
[04:12:15] <zeeshan> http://www.machinio.com/listings/3734833-used-1995-18-x-40-standard-modern-cnc-lathe-in-chicago-il
[04:12:16] <zeeshan> hmm
[04:12:18] <zeeshan> this is another one
[04:12:20] <PetefromTn_> 7.5hp
[04:12:21] <zeeshan> w/ a 2.06 spindle bore
[04:12:36] <zeeshan> ah 18x40
[04:13:06] <PetefromTn_> wow I did not know they made that many versions of the same machine
[04:13:17] <zeeshan> from the internet
[04:13:22] <zeeshan> it seems like milltronics tood standard modern lathes
[04:13:28] <zeeshan> *took. and converted them to cnc
[04:13:29] <PetefromTn_> I'm kinda liking that pendant setup if it pivots
[04:14:25] <zeeshan> im going to miss having 36" c-c
[04:14:26] <zeeshan> =/
[04:14:31] <PetefromTn_> that is what I am considering a rectangular box with flatscreen like on my Cinci but I was going to install it on an overarm from the back electronics enclosure
[04:14:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know right mine is like 43 or so when I measured it
[04:15:04] <PetefromTn_> should come in handy
[04:15:07] <zeeshan> mine is 24" now =/
[04:15:08] <zeeshan> still decent
[04:15:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is especially for a slant bed
[04:15:25] <zeeshan> i could prolly put the driveshafts through the spindle bore
[04:15:29] <zeeshan> and work on it side by side
[04:15:36] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[04:15:41] <PetefromTn_> what is the spindle bore?
[04:15:48] <zeeshan> thats the only thring i really want the long c-c
[04:15:52] <zeeshan> 3"
[04:15:56] <PetefromTn_> not bad
[04:16:07] <zeeshan> the driveshaft on the rx7 is 3" od
[04:16:10] <PetefromTn_> I actually did a good bit of driveshaft work on my 12x35
[04:16:30] <PetefromTn_> I lengthened my shafts on my lifts for my suzuki samurais
[04:16:44] <zeeshan> nice
[04:16:44] <PetefromTn_> even welded them in place on the machine like a rotary fixture
[04:17:08] <PetefromTn_> the only thing that sucks is this machine did not come with a steady rest
[04:17:14] <PetefromTn_> so I will have to make one
[04:17:29] <zeeshan> might be able to buy one?
[04:17:32] <zeeshan> and retrofit
[04:17:33] <PetefromTn_> but I like ball bearing steadies anyway and would probably had to make one anyway
[04:17:53] <PetefromTn_> meh they're dead simple
[04:18:03] <PetefromTn_> and the Cinci will make short work of it
[04:18:28] <ssi> I need a big manual lathe
[04:18:35] <ssi> I love the sb10 for most stuff, but sometimes it's a bit small
[04:18:46] <ssi> I'd like to have an sb16 to complement it :)
[04:18:50] <R2E4_> Why are all the pold Mori Seiki lathes so expensive?
[04:18:52] <zeeshan> sb -- the company that turns in microns
[04:19:00] <zeeshan> r2e4: i k r
[04:19:07] <zeeshan> i inquired about one and i was shocked by the price
[04:19:13] <zeeshan> 28k
[04:19:14] <zeeshan> haha
[04:19:17] <PetefromTn_> Mori makes good shit but parts are stupid expensive I hear
[04:19:18] <zeeshan> 1980 machine
[04:21:28] <PetefromTn_> I was thinking of getting a nice wedge type aloris and a bunch of holders until I can get an auto changer on the lathe but can you guys tell what kind of toolpost that lathe has in zeeshans first link?
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[04:23:04] <R2E4_> DAMN...
[04:23:05] <R2E4_> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/laval-rive-nord/tos-lathe-model-su-63-under-power/1031060078?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[04:23:41] <R2E4_> 132" 28"swing, 3000.00
[04:24:16] <PetefromTn_> that auto changer on that standard modern lathe kicks ass....I am surprised at how fast it indexes
[04:24:18] <R2E4_> Thats a monster
[04:25:16] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-commercial-industriel/laval-rive-nord/iso40-cat40-arbor-lot-de-60/1073429474?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[04:25:19] <zeeshan> wow thats a lotta hjolders
[04:25:20] <PetefromTn_> microkinets wants 2k for their auto changer
[04:25:22] <zeeshan> too bad theyre mostly useless
[04:25:22] <zeeshan> lol
[04:25:49] <zeeshan> this guy musta had an obsession with slitting saws
[04:26:13] <ssi> PetefromTn_: microkinetics is right down the street from my h ouse
[04:26:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know got any pull ;)
[04:26:53] <zeeshan> have you guys heard of a company called axyz?
[04:26:55] <zeeshan> they make large routers
[04:27:01] <PetefromTn_> you should check out that toolchanger for me if you get a chance lOL
[04:27:22] <PetefromTn_> everybody and thier brothers mother make CNC routers nowadays
[04:27:36] <zeeshan> these guys have been around for a while
[04:27:38] <zeeshan> but ive never heard of em
[04:27:43] <zeeshan> i was looking up their industry profile
[04:27:48] <zeeshan> 60 million in sales a year
[04:27:51] <zeeshan> i applied for a job there
[04:28:11] <zeeshan> was a bit weary to apply there because of the reason you stated
[04:28:25] <ssi> PetefromTn_: nah sry :)
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[04:28:45] <PetefromTn_> gee thanks
[04:28:51] <PetefromTn_> :D
[04:29:00] <ssi> can't help that I have no pull
[04:29:02] <ssi> I'm just not likeable
[04:29:10] <PetefromTn_> I know right!
[04:30:01] <ssi> I got more snapon crap in the mail today :P
[04:30:56] <PetefromTn_> man watching that video is like a porno for me hehe
[04:32:06] <PetefromTn_> what did you get now?
[04:33:36] <PetefromTn_> whats a good name in inexpensive SSD?
[04:33:53] <R2E4_> could get this for 2000 I am sure.
[04:34:11] <PetefromTn_> that is a big bitch man...
[04:34:46] <R2E4_> I have 600 3 phase 200 amp in my shop, and I have room....lol
[04:34:55] <ssi> PetefromTn_: more angle wrenches :P
[04:34:58] <PetefromTn_> JEALOUS
[04:35:04] <PetefromTn_> nice man
[04:35:11] <PetefromTn_> whats a good hard drive SDD
[04:35:20] <ssi> I have spare set of standard combination wrenches and standard angle wrenches, they're for sale :)
[04:35:27] <ssi> honestly anything you can get your hands on
[04:35:29] <ssi> amazon up something cheap
[04:35:49] <PetefromTn_> I am buying most of the PC stuff from newegg just need a name
[04:35:57] <ssi> any name brand
[04:36:07] <ssi> kingston, crucial, samsung, intel, ocz
[04:36:45] <ssi> someone please tell me how to convince cmake that I really actually do have wxwidgets installed thank you very much!
[04:36:48] <ssi> :(
[04:37:01] <R2E4_> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/ottawa/hitachi-seiki-hitec-turn-40-s-cnc-lathe/1054571645?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[04:37:08] <R2E4_> What kind of chuck is that?
[04:38:07] <PetefromTn_> looks like some sort of custom jaws
[04:38:12] <PetefromTn_> on a hydro chuck
[04:38:21] <ssi> yea machinable step jaws
[04:39:34] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820721107&cm_re=sdd_hard_drive-_-20-721-107-_-Product any good?
[04:41:38] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820156064&cm_re=sdd_hard_drive-_-20-156-064-_-Product
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[04:44:34] <PetefromTn_> which of those two would you get?
[04:45:17] <ssi> the crucial is a much better value
[04:45:26] <ssi> but honestly for a linuxcnc machine both are horrible overkill
[04:45:41] <PetefromTn_> really? what would you recommend?
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[04:46:11] <PetefromTn_> I'm trying to order the PC stuff tonight before i head to bed ;)
[04:46:26] <PetefromTn_> still don't know which picopc power supply to get
[04:46:38] <Valen> it depends on if you are going to use it for other stuff
[04:46:47] <PetefromTn_> such as
[04:46:50] <ssi> get the crucial
[04:46:57] <ssi> apparently newegg doesn't sell anything small/cheap
[04:47:10] <PetefromTn_> I thought that WAS small and cheap :D
[04:47:14] <Valen> surfing the net, reading gigaquads of email
[04:47:16] <ssi> 240G is effing massive
[04:47:21] <ssi> I use 32G ssds for my machines
[04:47:23] <Valen> yeah its hughe
[04:47:30] <ssi> 240G is as big as every ssd I have in my primary development workstations
[04:47:33] <PetefromTn_> is that bad?
[04:47:37] <ssi> no, it's not bad
[04:47:39] <ssi> it's just overkill
[04:47:40] <Valen> no, just more than you need
[04:47:47] <Jymmm> ssi: Send be your handmedown SSD's =)
[04:47:50] <Valen> like having a 300 liter fuel tank in your car
[04:47:54] <PetefromTn_> Ok most of the ones they sell are at least 120
[04:48:00] <ssi> Jymmm: my handmedowns go in cnc machines
[04:48:03] <Valen> without it taking up any extra room
[04:48:03] <PetefromTn_> and they are not much cheaper
[04:48:11] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I paid $500 for my first 120g ssd
[04:48:22] <PetefromTn_> i know amazing how cheap they are now
[04:48:32] <Jymmm> 4Gb SSD would be fine
[04:48:34] <Valen> I'd get the 240 for the extra $15, it'll be more useful when you put it in something else later ;->
[04:48:34] <PetefromTn_> but the crucial is a good name
[04:48:39] <ssi> yes
[04:48:42] <Valen> kingston are ok too
[04:48:50] <ssi> the crucial is a better deal
[04:48:56] <Valen> NO!
[04:48:58] <Valen> its 2nd hand
[04:49:03] <PetefromTn_> just because its bigger or for other reasons
[04:49:03] <ssi> is it?
[04:49:07] <Valen> I thought it was too good to be true
[04:49:09] <Valen> "refurbished"
[04:49:10] <ssi> yeah seriously
[04:49:13] <Valen> just spotted that
[04:49:31] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah it is..
[04:49:35] <Valen> probably shagged out from being in somebodies big server environment
[04:49:41] <ssi> most of the time refurb doesn't scare me
[04:49:41] <Valen> get the kingston then ;->
[04:49:44] <ssi> but on SSDs it does :)
[04:50:02] <Valen> yeah, anything other than ssd/hdd refurb is probably fine
[04:50:40] <Valen> $50 is going to be cheaper than spinning rust isn't it anyway?
[04:51:12] <ssi> probably
[04:51:20] <ssi> and I'm not a fan of platter drives in cnc machines
[04:51:28] <ssi> cnc machines are embedded environments as far as I'm concerned
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[04:52:53] <PetefromTn_> the kingston is new i think
[04:52:58] <Valen> yeah it is
[04:53:00] <ssi> yes that's fine get it
[04:53:07] <ssi> push order and go to bed :)
[04:53:10] <Valen> I have one of those sitting in my car at the moment waiting to go into a computer
[04:53:26] <Valen> like that exact model
[04:53:30] <Valen> and one in my tv
[04:53:37] <Valen> and one in my dads tv computer
[04:53:41] <PetefromTn_> sweet
[04:53:59] <PetefromTn_> does newegg sell those picopc supplies?
[04:54:30] <ssi> if only they had some kind of box where you could type in the name of a thing you wanted and it would tell you whether they had it
[04:54:36] <PetefromTn_> maybe I am spelling it wrong
[04:54:40] <ssi> picopsu
[04:54:46] <PetefromTn_> ah
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[04:55:04] <PetefromTn_> such a smartass ;)
[04:55:50] <ssi> do I need to tuck you in tonight too? :D
[04:56:16] <PetefromTn_> kiss it.... apparenlty they only sell the 12v models not the variables
[04:56:48] <ssi> tuck you in AND kiss it?
[04:56:53] <ssi> I draw the line at reading you a story
[04:57:20] <PetefromTn_> if you were not so helpful you would be quite an annoyance ;)
[04:57:50] <Valen> I wouldn't bother tbh unless you have super small space requirements
[04:58:14] <PetefromTn_> I want this because I want to run the PC from my machines 24v power supply
[04:58:17] <ssi> Valen: it's less the space requirements and more the hassle of mounting a pc psu in an enclosure, and the wiring and crap
[04:58:39] <Valen> I'd really want to keep the PC and machine supply seperate
[04:58:59] <Valen> machine supply has phat motors hanging off it and the like
[04:59:12] <ssi> no motors on the 24v bus
[04:59:20] <ssi> just field io, relays, etc
[04:59:21] <Valen> "all the wiring and crap" lol mains in and ATX out ;->
[04:59:47] <Valen> relays are not nice ;->
[04:59:56] <ssi> I mean this wiring and crap
[04:59:56] <ssi> http://powersupply33.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/atx-power-supply-connectors.jpg
[05:00:13] <ssi> it's cluttery and annoying
[05:00:22] <Valen> I do like the idea of being able to just turn the PC on and use it without turning the machine on
[05:00:48] <PetefromTn_> I do that all the tmie
[05:00:49] <PetefromTn_> time
[05:00:55] <Valen> same
[05:01:05] <PetefromTn_> but I don't think this would prohibit that
[05:01:19] <PetefromTn_> servos etc would be disabled until called for
[05:02:08] <ssi> dammit I really wish I had logging turned on in irssi :(
[05:02:17] <ssi> Sync: you still alive?
[05:02:27] <ssi> probably not, it's freakin 6am over there
[05:03:03] <PetefromTn_> well I can't get the pico thing from newegg unfortunately
[05:03:17] <PetefromTn_> they do not seem to even carry the variable input voltage models
[05:03:58] <PetefromTn_> so I got the main board/cpu combo, DMM ram and SSD
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[05:07:29] <PetefromTn_> shit I guess because newegg has a port in memphis I gottta pay tax
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[05:13:13] <PetefromTn_> Sweet PC stuff is on the way
[05:13:26] <PetefromTn_> now its bed time ;) Gn8 guys
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[05:29:53] <ssi> PCW: hm2/hm2_5i25.0: hm2_sserial_waitfor: Timeout (25mS) waiting for addr 5a00 &mask ffffffff val 1004
[05:30:03] <ssi> PCW: what's the significance of 5a00 or 1004 there?
[05:30:12] <ssi> are either of those addresses in the remote memory space it's trying to read?
[05:30:28] <ssi> next line: hm2/hm2_5i25.0: DATA addr 5b00 after timeout: 0
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[05:48:54] <ssi> PCW: never mind I found the bug! :D
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[07:37:43] <archivist> rofl is a bracket with slots worth much http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renishaw-MCR20-Probe-changer-TP20-/121806762270
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[12:27:23] <Tom_itx> logger[mah]
[12:27:23] <logger[mah]> Tom_itx: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2015-11-05.html
[12:28:09] <jthornton> morning Tom_itx
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[12:28:45] <Tom_itx> morning
[12:28:56] <Tom_itx> client quit.. dunno why
[12:29:24] <Tom_itx> muggy day here
[12:29:49] <Tom_itx> already 65�F
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[12:38:34] <jthornton> 60f and 96% humidity here
[12:38:52] <Tom_itx> how's the translator coming along?
[12:38:55] <jthornton> got to get 2 pcs of siding up and put my stuff away this morning before the rains come
[12:39:04] <jthornton> I'm having fun programing it
[12:39:12] <Tom_itx> that's the main thing
[12:39:18] <jthornton> learning a bunch of new stuff in python and golang
[12:39:33] <Tom_itx> i should learn another language
[12:39:50] <Tom_itx> not too good at any of em
[12:40:15] <jthornton> golang is cool and fast and a short learning curve after you get over the initial hump
[12:40:22] <Tom_itx> fixed a bug in my 25yr old database program last night
[12:40:38] <Tom_itx> i do an export so i can put it on the phone
[12:41:06] <Tom_itx> is it like c?
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[12:42:10] <jthornton> it's C like
[12:45:07] <Tom_itx> does it have low level functions like fread fwrite etc?
[12:46:19] <jthornton> https://golang.org/pkg/bufio/
[12:46:31] <jthornton> that's buffered I/O
[12:46:45] <jthornton> I forget what fread fwrite does
[12:47:02] <Tom_itx> reads from / to file
[12:47:19] <Tom_itx> fcreate, fopen, fread, fwrite
[12:48:10] <Tom_itx> you can read from back or front of file
[12:48:55] <jthornton> yea, I'm sure it has all that
[12:49:26] <jthornton> https://gobyexample.com/reading-files
[12:50:04] <Tom_itx> more like c++
[12:50:15] <Tom_itx> with objects
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[12:51:42] <Tom_itx> looks simple enough but would take some getting used to
[12:52:30] <jthornton> yea, once you get over the initial hump it's fast and easy
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[12:54:04] <Tom_itx> defer is something new to me
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[13:01:54] <jthornton> I just figured out how to run my go program from my python GUI and get the stdout and stderr back
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[13:04:51] <jthornton> golang also has channels https://tour.golang.org/concurrency/2
[13:05:15] <jthornton> https://gobyexample.com/channels
[13:05:22] <Tom_itx> why did you choose go?
[13:05:39] <jthornton> ssi, told me about it
[13:05:56] <jthornton> https://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html#concurrency
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[13:10:09] <jthornton> now I need to make go read my python generated ini file
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[14:28:50] <ssi> Tom_itx: go *is* C
[14:29:09] <ssi> Tom_itx: it's C if C were written today
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[14:35:33] <FinboySlick> Nah. C lets you be mean to other people.
[14:36:26] <FinboySlick> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/15/11/02/0650200/could-go-communitys-threat-of-public-shaming-lifetime-bans-make-go-a-no-go
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[14:39:18] <JT-Shop> well the rain has arrived here
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[14:43:29] <archivist> I get amused at how people become language fanboys and haters
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[14:43:55] <malcom2073> I get amused at how people become anything fanboys and haters
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[14:47:04] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Which one are you? =)
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[14:47:26] <malcom2073> I strive to avoid mindlessly loving or hating anything :P
[14:47:46] <Jymmm> Ok, both it is!
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[14:48:48] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anosognosia
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[14:50:25] * Jymmm lol @ CaptHindsight
[14:51:01] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I didn't realize malcom2073 was Egytian (or Greek)
[14:51:14] <malcom2073> Hah
[14:51:32] <malcom2073> If I'm an example of that, you're an example of dunning kruger :)
[14:52:07] <malcom2073> I wasn't aware having an open mind was a disability, fi that is so, then by all means you're correct
[14:52:42] <malcom2073> I do indeed reject and deny that disability :)
[14:52:52] <malcom2073> *that as a disability*
[14:54:42] <malcom2073> Though codes of conducts are quite amusing
[14:55:07] <archivist> overly PC
[14:55:16] <malcom2073> To a fault
[14:55:35] <archivist> cannot call a spade a spade
[14:55:45] <tiwake> screw being politically correct.
[14:56:00] <malcom2073> I understand the intent, but Coc's only work in a perfect world, where you wouldn't need it anyway
[14:57:51] <malcom2073> The comments on that slashdot are funny
[15:00:49] <JT-Shop> I need to generate some text into straight G code
[15:01:32] <JT-Shop> for engraving on my BP VMC that only speaks DX-32 G code ie. G1 G2 G3
[15:03:56] <malcom2073> Any reason why you can't use your favorite 3d modeling program to draw text, export to DXF, then dxf2gcode to output?
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[15:04:20] <JT-Shop> why yes I can, didn't think of that lol
[15:04:40] <malcom2073> I've been doing that for playing around with engraving lately
[15:04:58] <malcom2073> Would be awesome if there was a dedicated text to gcode program, I'm sure some such thing exists somewhere
[15:06:40] <JT-Shop> there is a few that I know of
[15:06:48] <JT-Shop> http://www.mgware.co.uk/
[15:06:57] <JT-Shop> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators#Text_Engraving_Software
[15:07:07] <Jymmm> This aint good enough for ya JT-Shop??? http://timeguy.com/cradek/truetype
[15:07:19] <JT-Shop> it outputs nurbs
[15:07:34] <JT-Shop> which is fantastic on my LinuxCNC machines
[15:10:30] <Jymmm> WHAT?! Not all your machines are LinuxCNC?!?!?! lmao
[15:10:54] <JT-Shop> what is funny about that?
[15:11:09] <cradek> JT-Shop: old versions of truetype-tracer used arcs
[15:11:32] <JT-Shop> oh I forgot, thanks cradek
[15:11:35] <cradek> you should be able to get a suitable version from git.timeguy.com
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[15:23:30] <membiblio> What do you all call the vacuum system that removes detritus from a cnc router work area? Detritus Vac? Something else vac? :)
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[15:24:18] <JT-Shop> I know I should be able to but I'm not figuring out how to get a suitable version
[15:24:21] <JT-Shop> git clone http://timeguy.com/gitweb/truetype-tracer ttt
[15:24:34] <JT-Shop> http://timeguy.com/gitweb/truetype-tracer/info/refs not valid: is this a git repository?
[15:27:33] <cradek> JT-Shop: go to git.timeguy.com; click truetype-tracer.git; use the URL it states at the top there
[15:27:42] <JT-Shop> ok
[15:27:43] <cradek> it's a git:// not a http://
[15:27:59] <JT-Shop> ok
[15:28:27] <JT-Shop> http://timeguy.com/gitweb?p=truetype-tracer.git;a=summary
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[15:30:35] <cradek> heh sorry, on the page itself, it says "URL" and that is the url you should use to clone it
[15:30:47] <cradek> under the description
[15:31:14] <JT-Shop> lol I see it now
[15:31:20] <archivist> I remember when it was a zip file :)
[15:31:23] <JT-Shop> I finally guessed it
[15:32:12] <cradek> archivist: in gitweb you can poke "snapshot" and get a tgz of any ref
[15:33:12] <archivist> cradek, I started out with a copy in 2008 sometime
[15:33:40] <archivist> added part of the code to do v form engraving
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[15:47:26] <cradek> did you get it to work?
[15:48:05] <_methods> CaptHindsight: when did you need the injection molder by?
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[15:54:02] <CaptHindsight> _methods: looking for a small one, ASAP, ~end of the month
[15:55:04] <_methods> pm
[15:55:13] <CaptHindsight> not enough time for a complete overhaul, but maybe just a few days of work
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[15:58:13] <ssi> https://twitter.com/vine/status/662278289772400641
[16:03:17] <_methods> cats....
[16:03:52] <Sync> old
[16:04:06] <ssi> SORRY MY HILARIOUS CONTENT ISNT UP TO YOUR EXACTING FRESHNESS STANDARDS
[16:04:59] * Sync hides
[16:05:02] <ssi> :)
[16:05:08] <ssi> Sync: my code worked! my code worked!
[16:05:17] <Sync> woop woop
[16:06:20] <JT-Shop> ssi, what are you coding?
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[16:06:41] <ssi> JT-Shop: smartserial support for the stmbl servo drive
[16:07:05] <JT-Shop> cool
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[16:27:39] <archivist> cradek, I got the the hard part and life got in the way so no :(
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[16:30:15] <mymill15> Questio i changed the PC now it got 2Core do i need to isolate one on Mesacarduse or only on parport
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[16:35:46] <pcw_home> In general if you use hardware stepgens or a servo system, latency is not much of an issue so isolating a CPU for
[16:35:48] <pcw_home> LinuxCNC just makes the system slower and has no particular advantage
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[17:38:57] <jdh> how common is 240vac on one leg of a drive and gnd on the other? (in .us)
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[17:48:56] <JT-Shop> I've seen 277 on one leg with ground before... I don't recall ever seeing 240v / gnd on anything here
[17:51:41] <CaptHindsight> 277VAC Wye is common for lighting circuits since the 277 is one leg of a 277/480VAC system
[17:52:03] <archivist> neutral and ground are very different over here
[17:53:10] <ssi> pcw_home: is it feasible to use linuxcnc to control a position mode drive that uses motor angle as its command?
[17:53:10] <CaptHindsight> in the US 240VAC is on a Delta and is across 2 poles, and the neutral in a center tap of only one coil giving 120VAC from neutral to 2 poles
[17:53:30] <archivist> although joined in places, so over here we see up to 6v offset ish
[17:54:44] <CaptHindsight> archivist: I think he meant neutral vs ground anyway. They are bonded at only one point here within a structure
[17:55:03] <jdh> this is 240 from line to frame.
[17:55:09] <archivist> here they are bonded at the substation
[17:55:32] <CaptHindsight> archivist: we can see a difference here as well depending on the length of the neutral
[17:55:35] <archivist> which is why we see the offset to local ground
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[17:55:51] <jdh> it comes via 480->120->240
[17:57:30] <CaptHindsight> http://blog.allshookup.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/us_power_services.pdf
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[18:07:55] <CaptHindsight> jdh: you can get 240Vac single phase from delta by grounding one pole of the transformer but it's very uncommon
[18:08:35] <CaptHindsight> corner grounded delta
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[18:10:32] <CaptHindsight> jdh: http://imagebin.ca/v/2LX3UCyvkB4v
[18:13:07] <CaptHindsight> jdh: vs center tapped delta that you find in older cities and industrial locations http://imagebin.ca/v/2LX44QSCngPG
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[18:14:38] <CaptHindsight> archivist: looks like the only difference here is that we bond the neutral at the substation, and at the pole where the transformer is and at the service entrance
[18:15:53] <CaptHindsight> we bond the neutral on the secondary side of the transformer on the pole to ground with a rod at the pole
[18:16:57] <CaptHindsight> and then every service on the secondary bonds the neutral from that pole to ground at the entrance
[18:17:36] <CaptHindsight> some cities require a ground rod at the meter as well as a ground wire to a cold water pipe inside
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[18:21:53] <archivist> we have a house ground rod
[18:22:51] <CaptHindsight> this is what they argue about over at the fire and safety conventions
[18:23:33] <archivist> the earth boding became silly at one edition of the wiring regs, "all exposed metal shall be grounded" so chapel hat pegs all needed bonding!
[18:23:39] * Jymmm lmao @ "cold water pipe"
[18:24:07] <CaptHindsight> how many grounds and where, conduit vs romex, GFCI vs AFCI
[18:24:08] <Tom_itx> use the gas pipe
[18:24:19] <_methods> lol
[18:24:22] <_methods> bewm
[18:24:23] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: the plastic or metal ?
[18:24:26] <archivist> the cold water and gas were bonded and available as your ground but then plastic pipes made that silly too
[18:24:28] <CaptHindsight> heh, plastic
[18:24:31] <Tom_itx> either one is fine by me
[18:24:43] <Tom_itx> i'm far enough away...
[18:24:50] <_methods> hehe
[18:24:51] <Jymmm> Tom_itx++
[18:25:17] <Jymmm> CHESTNUTS ROASTING OVER AN OPEN FIRE....
[18:25:28] <Tom_itx> if you're gonna have a ground rod make sure it's deep enough to do some good
[18:25:49] <Tom_itx> mine is at least 8-10 ft down
[18:25:57] <Jymmm> only one?
[18:25:58] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: http://www.doityourself.com/forum/attachments/electrical-ac-dc/48333d1427052484-grounding-system-single-grounding-wire-meter-doubling-back-rods-ground.jpg required in case you water service gets disconnected
[18:26:03] <Tom_itx> the main one
[18:27:04] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: lol, grounding PVC pipe =)
[18:27:21] <Tom_itx> they took the neighbor's gas meter the other day...
[18:27:41] <CaptHindsight> that'll teach em
[18:28:02] <Tom_itx> it's a rental and i expect her to get evicted soon
[18:28:14] <PCW> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjxEINFTUug
[18:28:17] <Jymmm> Who's "they" ?
[18:28:30] <Tom_itx> the gas co
[18:28:36] <Jymmm> ah
[18:28:38] <CaptHindsight> gas meter thieves
[18:28:44] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:28:49] <CaptHindsight> really dumb
[18:29:10] <Tom_itx> if i wanted gas, i'd patch a pipe between em and never say a word
[18:29:17] <Jymmm> PCW: WHAT THE FUCK is that??????
[18:29:25] <_methods> 1ft deep isn't much of a ground
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[18:29:47] <Tom_itx> cable & phone use some silly 3' rods
[18:30:37] <CaptHindsight> Chicago is 1/2 dia x 8 ft copper
[18:30:55] <Tom_itx> clad
[18:30:57] <_methods> so that's why you don't do parallel ground rods lol
[18:31:13] <Jymmm> HAHAHA "They test just before fishing as it gets the worms out of the ground" GOTTA LOVE IT!!!
[18:31:14] <archivist> stuffed if you are on bedrock :)
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[18:32:03] <CaptHindsight> archivist: an option is a copper grid with salted earth
[18:32:38] <Jymmm> Method A) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvCZvNj8H30
[18:32:51] <Tom_itx> that's about what it looked like around the base of the tree here that got hit recently
[18:33:06] <Jymmm> Method B) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htprIppsx70
[18:33:18] <Tom_itx> looked like they roto tilled the ground
[18:34:27] <Tom_itx> water's alot easier
[18:34:34] <Tom_itx> i just used the rod itself and a cup of water
[18:34:53] <JT-Shop> ssi, is there a way to build a go program online and save the executable to a github account?
[18:35:14] <malcom2073> JT-Shop: You mean automated like?
[18:35:35] <malcom2073> You could set up a build server, build it and auto-upload to github as a "release"
[18:36:57] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'm thinking 12ga ram set ground rod installation =)
[18:37:01] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/pipe/pipe1.jpg
[18:37:03] <Tom_itx> haha
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[18:37:18] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4vzBiDmzIA how not to install a ground rod
[18:38:07] <JT-Shop> upload is what I'm not wanting to do... very limited bandwidth
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[18:38:29] <_methods> use a vps
[18:38:33] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, they're retired RR workers
[18:38:33] <_methods> do all your building on that
[18:38:44] <_methods> then you won't be using your bandwidht
[18:38:49] <malcom2073> JT-Shop: Spend $5 for a server elsewhere?
[18:39:08] <JT-Shop> two options what I got and huges net and that's worse
[18:39:11] <_methods> digital ocean
[18:39:15] <JT-Shop> hughes
[18:39:19] <Tom_itx> i could set up a space on mine if you want some obscure web address like mine is :D
[18:39:35] <Tom_itx> it's free
[18:39:59] <JT-Shop> I have unlimited space on my web host...
[18:40:00] <ssi> JT-Shop: yeah you want a continuous integration service
[18:40:03] <ssi> JT-Shop: like codeship maybe
[18:40:08] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/dI8xnCj the future of domestic appliances
[18:40:23] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, does it go against your bandwidth?
[18:40:29] <Tom_itx> locally
[18:40:38] <ssi> JT-Shop: https://codeship.com
[18:40:42] <JT-Shop> no, only uploads and downloads are on sat
[18:40:44] <ssi> they probably have go builders
[18:41:11] <archivist> do everything at home, 0 bandwidth used
[18:41:29] <JT-Shop> then I can't share
[18:41:58] <archivist> the amount you need to share is a very small upload
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[18:42:50] <JT-Shop> I'm already sharing the code but the executable is 2mb
[18:43:27] <Tom_itx> that's quite a bit of overhead for an exe
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[18:43:34] <Tom_itx> for what it does
[18:43:39] <Sync> zeeshan-lab: need halp
[18:43:49] <Tom_itx> does it need to pull in all the libs etc that it's pulling in?
[18:43:56] <ssi> Tom_itx: golang binaries are statically linked
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[18:53:22] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: and you'll like it as well
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[18:54:38] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, probably not but I've not explored how to just import fmt.Println yet
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[19:20:01] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxCSfFh605s
[19:20:10] <_methods> unpowered exoskeleton
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[19:54:15] <CaptHindsight> _methods: how many millions did they spend on paper and how many patents cover that now?
[19:56:45] <_methods> hah who knows
[19:57:01] <_methods> it's all taxpayer money so who cares
[19:57:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.google.com/patents/US20080009771
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[20:18:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/matsuura-ra2f/151870846045 $1k but no mention of a reserve price
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[20:22:14] <XXCoder> not sure if that was goverment research
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[20:26:24] <_methods> i just watched a 2001 fadal 4020 vmc go for $3k lol
[20:26:35] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[20:26:38] <_methods> yeah
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[20:26:46] <_methods> made me want to cry
[20:27:01] <PetefromTn_> thats a great machine in my view
[20:27:06] <_methods> it was untouched too
[20:27:07] <XXCoder> fadal isnt too bad
[20:27:30] <_methods> fadal sux
[20:27:35] <_methods> that's why they went out of business
[20:27:37] <_methods> but for $3k
[20:27:40] <_methods> i can forgive lol
[20:27:45] <XXCoder> _methods: theyre back
[20:27:57] <_methods> so they can go under again lol
[20:27:58] <XXCoder> also, its old one that isnt too bad, newer one suck
[20:28:04] <Jymmm> _methods: For you, $30,000 =)
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[20:28:07] <XXCoder> and new one is absed on old one
[20:28:15] <XXCoder> much more modern software but yeah
[20:29:26] <_methods> the funny part is the harding hlv-h at the auction went for $16k
[20:29:39] <_methods> 5x as much as a 4020 cnc lol
[20:29:52] <_methods> for a manual lathe
[20:30:18] <ssi> jesus hlv-h is a nice lathe but it's certainly not a 16k lathe
[20:30:24] <_methods> hell no
[20:30:31] <_methods> it was in immaculate shape though
[20:30:38] <_methods> but not $16k shape
[20:30:44] <ssi> a couple years ago I did a linuxcnc retrofit for a customer
[20:30:45] <_methods> one weird auction
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[20:30:53] <ssi> on an atrump knee mill that had a dead centroid control
[20:30:56] <_methods> i got burnt on the haas tm-1's
[20:31:02] <_methods> guy got choice on both
[20:31:05] <ssi> they quit using that machine, and I kept trying to buy it from them
[20:31:07] <_methods> $8750
[20:31:11] <ssi> but they wouldn't sell it to me
[20:31:12] <_methods> he stole both of them
[20:31:27] <ssi> I got a phone call today, some guy took it from them as payment on a bill they were never gonna pay
[20:31:33] <_methods> oh man
[20:31:33] <ssi> he wants 3500-4k for it
[20:31:34] <_methods> that sux
[20:31:36] <ssi> I told him 2500
[20:31:49] <ssi> might end up trying to get it from him, maybe I can get him to meet me at 3
[20:32:14] <ssi> it's not the greatest machine in the world, but it's a relatively well done 50" bridgeport style knee mill with decently powerful servos
[20:32:21] <ssi> and it's already got a good linuxcnc conversion
[20:32:26] <XXCoder> nice
[20:33:01] <ssi> plus all that pneumatic material handling crap I added for them
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[20:48:20] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what's special about a 1/4 20 tap that makes it cost that much? double lead, lefthand, both?
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[20:49:15] <JT-Shop> forming
[20:49:26] <_methods> thru spindle coolant
[20:49:38] <JT-Shop> no
[20:49:41] <_methods> will crank up price
[20:49:49] <_methods> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/79330585?src=pla&cid=PLA-Google-PLA+-+Test&CS_003=7867724&CS_010=79330585
[20:49:59] <_methods> $63
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[21:10:27] <JT-Shop> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/70647532?rItem=70647532
[21:10:40] <JT-Shop> that's the one OSG said to use on my part
[21:11:28] <_methods> big money
[21:11:44] <_methods> you should get a lot of holes out of a thread former though
[21:12:13] <_methods> you doing a shallow blind tap?
[21:12:31] <JT-Shop> .5" deep blind hole
[21:12:45] <JT-Shop> I hope the drill bit shows up before I finish the job
[21:12:52] <_methods> lol
[21:13:06] <JT-Shop> 5.78mm drill bit
[21:13:20] <JT-Shop> only 1 in stock of the two choices they gave me
[21:14:03] <_methods> thread form taps aren't that picky about drill
[21:14:08] <_methods> 5.8 would work fine
[21:14:47] <_methods> 5.7/5.8
[21:15:20] <JT-Shop> too late now lol
[21:15:46] <_methods> hehe sorry
[21:16:05] <JT-Shop> so a #1 would work it is 5.79
[21:16:10] <_methods> yeah
[21:16:31] <_methods> definitely
[21:17:06] <_methods> it's not for food grade/medical part is it?
[21:17:09] <DaViruz> i doubt you can expect a drill bit to make a hole within 0.01mm regardless
[21:18:03] <DaViruz> if it was that important you'd have to ream it..
[21:18:04] <XXCoder> if it needs to be that precise then drill/reamer is best bet
[21:18:11] <_methods> thread form taps are pretty forgiving
[21:18:17] <_methods> i love em
[21:18:34] <DaViruz> i've never used one, not a real one at least
[21:18:36] <_methods> but unfortunately if you're doing medical/food you can't use them
[21:19:01] <_methods> you get great tap life out of them
[21:19:20] <JT-Shop> no it is a part for a compression relief tab grinder that I designed
[21:19:22] <DaViruz> _methods: how come?
[21:19:39] <DaViruz> creates surfaces for stuff to grow in?
[21:19:57] <_methods> it's because they form the thread instead off cutting them and the create cracks and crevices in the thread forms
[21:20:00] <_methods> for bacteria
[21:22:23] <_methods> http://extra.dormer.sandvik.com/PDF/formtaps/formtaps_en.pdf
[21:24:00] <_methods> on pg3 they have a cross section of threads
[21:24:48] <DaViruz> oh, i didn
[21:24:56] <DaViruz> 't realize they looked that rough
[21:25:11] <_methods> yeah
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[21:28:19] <XXCoder> what method do hopsital equipment makers use?
[21:28:25] <_methods> normal taps
[21:28:26] <JT-Shop> wow the spec sheet says to tap at 1070 RPM... takes 1 second to tap the hole
[21:28:31] <XXCoder> ah
[21:29:16] <_methods> yeah thread formers tap fast
[21:29:38] <XXCoder> plenty jokes there
[21:29:39] <_methods> also takes more hp since you're forming the threads vs cutting them
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[21:47:19] <Tom_itx> _methods, the spindle inertia would carry it thru as fast as it's going
[21:47:50] <bsilverman> Anyone know if the OpenStack Kilo VMAX driver supports FCoE?
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[21:49:47] <Jymmmm> LOL, HE musta followed an old "EMC" link =)
[21:50:01] <Jymmmm> http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference/content/emc-vmax-driver.html
[21:50:47] <Jymmmm> Unless there's a new gcode over fiberchannel feature =)
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[21:50:58] <Jymmmm> CloudCNC'ing
[21:51:09] <Jymmmm> VirtualCNC?
[21:51:17] <Jymmmm> CNC2GO
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[22:00:27] <andypugh> Don’t talk to me about CloudCNC. That’s the real painful part of Fusion360. I have to save Inventor .ipt files to the “Cloud” then import them into a “Project”
[22:01:21] <JT-Shop> ouch
[22:02:46] <Jymmm> andypugh: WTH?! And if you happen to be "offline"?
[22:04:01] <Jymmm> andypugh: Is that a work thing (Ford), or personal?
[22:04:11] <andypugh> Tough, I guess. The f3d fle that is made from the .ipt is stored locally.
[22:04:40] <andypugh> Personal. But the Inventor license is a perk of the day job.
[22:05:04] <Jymmm> andypugh: There's no place like http://127.0.0.1/
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[22:06:16] <Jymmm> andypugh: Dont have access to this do ya? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl5_wUVxRvw
[22:07:32] <MrSunshine> oh happy day ... ball nut was so gunked up it started to jam
[22:07:46] <MrSunshine> and noticed 1 ball was missing in the nut when i reassembled it :P
[22:08:13] <MrSunshine> how the heck to protect the nuts from dust ... bellows .. sure but i cant find any that are over 1m long
[22:08:15] * Jymmm hides the 2nd missing ball from MrSunshine
[22:08:17] * JT-Shop wonders what to do with all the pretty mirrors from the optical comparator
[22:08:40] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: are they on mounts? how many?
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[22:09:14] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: what are you going to do with the XY table?
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[22:09:29] <MrSunshine> btw, is there any special greace that should be used with ballnuts ?
[22:09:30] <andypugh> MrSunshine: http://www.hema-group.com/en/products/protection-systems/duraspring/
[22:09:57] <MrSunshine> andypugh: hmm, looks damn expensive =)
[22:10:03] <andypugh> Not too bad
[22:10:13] <MrSunshine> and i wonder how far they compress, i do not have to much space
[22:10:27] <andypugh> I just bought a pair of 650mm ones for 25mm screws and they were £43 each
[22:10:56] <andypugh> MrSunshine: Download the PDF, that has all the dimensions.
[22:11:07] <MrSunshine> ah there
[22:11:18] <Jymmm> 3D Metal printer... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Px6RSL9Ac
[22:11:23] <andypugh> My 650mm ones compress to 50mm. But you can trade more diamter for shorter and vicky-vercky
[22:11:32] <JT-Shop> _methods, I can hold that forming tap in my ER collet ok?
[22:12:35] <andypugh> Jymmm: That metal forming thing is interesting, but I can’t help wondering if a CNC panel-beater might be quicker.
[22:13:21] <andypugh> Jymmm: Is that one of the versions of metal printiing where they need to infuse with braze?
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[22:13:49] <Jymmm> andypugh: Not sure yet, still watching it.
[22:13:50] <MrSunshine> andypugh: looks like they get to fat :/
[22:13:55] <MrSunshine> 80mm outside diameter
[22:14:16] <MrSunshine> for one that is 1300 long
[22:14:46] <andypugh> You can use two back-to-back, but then it is longer when compressed
[22:14:52] <Jymmm> andypugh: infused with bronze powder then in the 2000F oven
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[22:15:32] <MrSunshine> andypugh: yeah i guess thats true but that would be like 180£ per axis thaen :/
[22:15:51] <andypugh> Check Aliexpress, they are cheaper there
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[22:17:19] <Praesmeodymium> they 3d print the dragonx rocket engine in inconel
[22:17:36] <Sync> better than your ballscrews being work MrSunshine
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[22:20:15] <MrSunshine> hmm these nylong things in the ends of these chinese ballnuts, are they suposed to be some kind of a wiper ?
[22:20:56] <andypugh> Yes.
[22:21:41] <MrSunshine> there are two set screws to hold them in place, are they suposed to put some kind of preload on these wipers also ?
[22:21:46] <andypugh> They seem to work, too. The ballscrew on the Z of my lathe only has the nylon wipers and seems fine. (I didn’t design-in the space for spring covers or bellows when I converted)
[22:22:09] <MrSunshine> on the offending screw i noticed one set screw had backed of so the wiper was quite lose
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[22:22:52] <andypugh> That won’t help, but I am not 100% sure that the screw is to push the wiper into the groove, though it can’t hurt.
[22:24:10] <_methods> JT-Shop: sure i'd put it in a tap collet though
[22:24:19] <_methods> but i've run them without tap collets before
[22:24:26] <JT-Shop> hmm I only have regular collets
[22:24:28] <_methods> if i only had 1 taps i'd use a tap collet for sure though
[22:24:36] <_methods> just to play it safe
[22:24:51] <JT-Shop> would you chamfer the hole first?
[22:24:54] <_methods> yes
[22:25:11] <_methods> i always spot tapped holes
[22:25:16] <JT-Shop> .250 diameter for a 1-4-20
[22:25:49] <_methods> sure i never really check unless the print calls out some specific chamfer
[22:25:51] <JT-Shop> does a tap collet have a square hole in the back?
[22:25:55] <_methods> yep
[22:26:16] <_methods> keeps your tap from spinning in tapping cycle
[22:26:23] <_methods> theoretically
[22:26:24] <_methods> lol
[22:26:54] <andypugh> Makes the tap more likely to break if it sticks :-)
[22:27:06] <_methods> if it spins its going to break
[22:27:17] <_methods> so pick your poison lol
[22:27:33] <andypugh> Not if it spins all the way out of the collet… Not sure that is better than breaking though
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[22:27:48] <_methods> on the way out that would be the case
[22:28:01] <_methods> but on the way in spinning = crushed broken tap
[22:28:11] <JT-Shop> wow $100 for a tap collet
[22:28:23] <_methods> wow
[22:28:24] <_methods> no way
[22:28:28] <_methods> thats ridiculous
[22:28:38] <_methods> you should be able to buy a whole tap collet set for that much
[22:28:41] <JT-Shop> it's getting better
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[22:30:21] <_methods> you just using er-32 collets?
[22:31:51] <JT-Shop> I have 11, 16, 20, 25, and 32
[22:32:37] <JT-Shop> not finding any sets...
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[22:33:32] <_methods> yeah guess they're more expensive than i remember
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[22:36:18] <_methods> do you have a tool sales guy you deal with?
[22:36:39] <_methods> he might be able to get you a better deal because i don't remember payin more than $200 for sets of tap collets
[22:37:27] <JT-Shop> a comment from Frank Mari of MariTool "Save your money. Tap collets are over rated, too expensive, and most often used in applications where it isn't needed. "
[22:37:45] <PetefromTn_> what material are you tapping?
[22:38:28] <JT-Shop> 7075 .5" deep blind hole .625" deep
[22:38:58] <JT-Shop> broke 2 spiral flute OSG electrolube taps when I started
[22:39:33] <PetefromTn_> are you peck tapping or going all in one pass?
[22:39:57] <JT-Shop> all the way
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[22:41:15] <JT-Shop> I keep my 1/4-20 tap in an ER20 with a 17/64" collet so it is a close fit and it has no trouble snapping a spiral flute tap
[22:41:25] <PetefromTn_> I have used ER32's to form tap 1/4-20 without issue before. I assume you meant .5 deep in a .625 blind hole LOL
[22:41:37] <JT-Shop> aye
[22:42:37] <JT-Shop> did you jam it in a 1/4" collet or use a 9/32" collet?
[22:43:01] <_methods> like i said i've tapped plenty of holes without a tap collet but if you're having problems its best to eliminate variable
[22:43:08] <PetefromTn_> honestly don't remember but I recall using the tap in an ER32 collet
[22:43:13] <_methods> and tap spinning in a collet is definitely a variable
[22:43:46] <_methods> if i start breaking taps the first thing i do is make sure i'm using a tap collet
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[22:45:34] <PetefromTn_> maybe I am just a hamfist with tightening ER32's LOL
[22:46:09] <_methods> hehe
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[22:46:14] <_methods> gorilla pete
[22:46:36] <PetefromTn_> I hang every ounce of my 235 lbs off that wrench man hehehe
[22:47:10] <JT-Shop> I have plenty of cheater pipes lol
[22:47:11] <PetefromTn_> but my question is if you DO break a tap how did you determine it slipped?
[22:47:41] <PetefromTn_> and by then its too late ;)
[22:48:12] <JT-Shop> yea as soon as it slips it's usually over
[22:48:36] <JT-Shop> I've never broken a tap before using rigid tapping
[22:48:42] <_methods> well im usually watching very closely during setup and ill see them slip
[22:48:45] <JT-Shop> but I look at them under the scope first
[22:48:54] <PetefromTn_> ???? NEVER????
[22:49:22] <_methods> i mark my taps so i can see if they move in the collet
[22:49:23] <PetefromTn_> you've gotta be kidding me right?
[22:49:32] <JT-Shop> not till the other day when I broke two in a row
[22:49:36] <_methods> hahah
[22:49:38] <PetefromTn_> aah okay
[22:49:39] <JT-Shop> nope
[22:50:13] <JT-Shop> mark with a black marker?
[22:50:32] <_methods> gotta go eat
[22:50:32] <_methods> bbiab
[22:50:38] <JT-Shop> ok
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[22:52:42] <JT-Shop> the last few times I made these parts it was 6061, I guess the 7075 is that much tougher that you can only use 65% thread depth on a spiral flute tap
[22:53:04] <JT-Shop> that's what finally worked for me but I was gun shy to go the full depth lol
[22:54:55] <PetefromTn_> you're my hero man
[22:55:15] <PetefromTn_> I have broken quite a few taps off in parts over the years maybe its me...LOL
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[22:55:33] <Deejay> gn8
[22:55:36] <PetefromTn_> nope every other guy in the shops I worked in broke taps off in parts too LOL
[22:55:43] <JT-Shop> I only use OSG electralube taps and look at each one under the scope before use
[22:55:45] <PetefromTn_> GN8 DEEJAY!!
[22:55:57] <JT-Shop> if any wear is seen I don't use it
[22:56:04] <JT-Shop> goodnight
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[22:56:46] <JT-Shop> when I found the electralube the torque needed to tap was much less (hand tapping back then so I could tell)
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[23:02:53] <andypugh> JT-Shop: There are a fair few Rego-Fix tapping collets in eBay.
[23:03:25] <MrSunshine> anyone worked with vacuum pumps ? got a small one for making bent laminations and noticed the shop was all fogged out ... well ... has to be the oil mist from the damn pump .. :/
[23:03:37] <MrSunshine> what to do about that? place it outside and remote control it? =)
[23:03:44] <SpeedEvil> Oil agglomerator filter
[23:03:56] <JT-Shop> andypugh, thanks I'll have a look see
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[23:03:59] <andypugh> Piston pump? Diffusion pump? Turbomolecular pump?
[23:04:04] <SpeedEvil> A compressor oil filter will work.
[23:04:13] <SpeedEvil> Somewhat at least
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[23:04:22] <SpeedEvil> venting is not a bad idea
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[23:05:27] <R2E4> Hi all....
[23:05:46] <R2E4> What are the options for Gantry router?
[23:05:46] <MrSunshine> https://carbix.nordicshops.com/PICTURE/485-4-vakuumpump_oil.jpg one of these ... dont know how it works internaly =)
[23:05:48] <JT-Shop> dang $30 with free shipping is much better
[23:07:21] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil: hmm i wonder what that is named in swedish :/
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[23:08:48] <andypugh> R2E4: Hardware options or software options?
[23:09:08] <MrSunshine> is one of those filters just a huge mass of something that cools down the mist and gets it alot of surface area to adhere to ? =)
[23:10:02] <R2E4> software, have a machine up and turning motors, 7i77, just trying to figure out bvest way for the double motors on Y
[23:10:18] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AFC-Air-Pressure-Regulator-oil-Water-Separator-Trap-Filter-Airbrush-Compressor-R-/131557280568?hash=item1ea16ccb38:g:AvgAAOSwu4BVpi5~ - this sort of thing
[23:10:21] <SpeedEvil> MrSunshine: Or DIY
[23:10:33] <andypugh> The best way is _probably_ gentrivkins and Joints-Axes
[23:10:46] <SpeedEvil> MrSunshine: make something that clamps a toilet roll (with the core removed) and vents through that.
[23:11:06] <andypugh> R2E4: Servos and homing to index on both sides?
[23:11:20] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil: ah to get the paper to soak up the oil ? =)
[23:11:56] <SpeedEvil> MrSunshine: basically - it also slows it down and absorbs it
[23:12:04] <SpeedEvil> and catches any tiny droplets
[23:12:38] <MrSunshine> gonna try that tomorrow .. kinda urgent stuff to get laminated and dont want to ruine the whole shop :/
[23:13:35] <MrSunshine> i guess whole of those pneumatic oil separators could work also .. i even think ive got one of those laying around =)
[23:13:38] <R2E4> yes, need to home the Y
[23:14:02] <R2E4> I guess gantrykins is the way to go but is there a work around for the jogging in manual?
[23:14:24] <R2E4> Home both the Y motors
[23:16:28] <andypugh> R2E4: You can jog in World mode, both motors will move together.
[23:16:41] <zeeshan> anyone here hear of axyz routers?
[23:16:47] <zeeshan> axyz international
[23:17:30] <andypugh> R2E4: Gentrivkins works better, I believe, but you need to run the Joints-Axes experimental branch
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[23:23:46] <Sync> MrSunshine: it is a rotary vane
[23:24:13] <R2E4> A beta for Joints-Axes?
[23:24:47] <Sync> zeeshan: they must be medium class, open screws and rails
[23:24:56] <zeeshan> sync i applied there
[23:25:00] <zeeshan> i got a phone interview on sat
[23:25:07] <Sync> ah
[23:25:11] <R2E4> hey Zee!!!!
[23:25:17] <zeeshan> hi
[23:25:27] <R2E4> Your plasma running LCNC
[23:25:39] <zeeshan> no plasma yet
[23:25:39] <zeeshan> :D
[23:25:52] <zeeshan> we built a table so far
[23:25:57] <zeeshan> still need to do thc
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[23:26:13] <R2E4> OH, I thought you said you were using the THC from CandCNC on it last night
[23:26:18] <zeeshan> no
[23:26:23] <zeeshan> sounds like something jt would say
[23:26:28] <PetefromTn_> jeez man the guys at work were telling me about this restaurant called Deadbeat Pete's having some freaking fantastic burgers and now I can't get it outta my HEAD!!!
[23:26:39] <zeeshan> lol
[23:26:40] <zeeshan> get some!
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[23:26:45] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 that was duv
[23:26:47] <PetefromTn_> duc
[23:27:04] <PetefromTn_> I might need to have some Hamburguesas
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[23:27:40] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan good luck with the new job man
[23:27:51] <zeeshan> pete thanks man
[23:28:01] <zeeshan> im looking for some place wher ei can work for at least 5 y ears
[23:28:06] <Sync> already looking for another place? :D
[23:28:13] <zeeshan> Sync: my contract is up december
[23:28:30] <PetefromTn_> I never think that far ahead :(
[23:28:37] <Sync> ah
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[23:28:59] <PetefromTn_> I ordered all my PC stuff last night
[23:29:04] <Sync> haha the toolchanger is quite
[23:29:07] <Sync> cute
[23:29:13] <PetefromTn_> except that damn picopsu thing
[23:29:14] <R2E4> AH
[23:29:25] <PetefromTn_> can't decide on which one I need
[23:29:46] <R2E4> ok, going to implement gantrykins for now and see how it goes.
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[23:29:48] <PetefromTn_> I need to get the picopsu and the DIN mount 24v supplies ordered
[23:30:09] <Sync> get a puls one
[23:30:21] <PetefromTn_> puls?
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[23:32:18] <Sync> it is a manufacturer of powersupplies
[23:32:32] <DaViruz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU63UiZEQZ8
[23:32:32] <DaViruz> seems pretty nice
[23:32:33] * zeeshan wonders if its so much to ask for a job that requires you to do calculation-based design and produce the design
[23:32:54] <zeeshan> that is nice
[23:32:57] <zeeshan> is that 24v
[23:34:49] <zeeshan> http://ca.indeed.com/cmp/Flamboro-Technical-Services/jobs/Mechanical-Designer-Detailer-34116ca2d7260e93?q=mechanical+engineer
[23:34:57] <zeeshan> i hope they get back tome!!!!!!1
[23:35:05] <zeeshan> i'd love to do this for a career
[23:35:23] <zeeshan> okay enough job whining
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[23:35:44] <PetefromTn_> I will check out those puls models
[23:35:53] <PetefromTn_> Deadbeat Pete's it is!!
[23:35:56] <PetefromTn_> BBL
[23:36:16] <JT-Shop> goodnight
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[23:41:03] <R2E4> What editor you guys using?
[23:41:27] <Tom_itx> gedit
[23:41:35] <jthornton> gedit
[23:41:41] <Sync> vim
[23:41:50] <Tom_itx> copy con
[23:42:04] <Tom_itx> i bet few even get that
[23:42:21] <jthornton> that's funny right there I don't care who you are
[23:42:31] <jthornton> copy console lol
[23:42:46] <R2E4> copy con, that was dos
[23:42:49] <zeeshan> nano
[23:42:50] <Tom_itx> i've done that quite a few times
[23:42:54] <R2E4> and I hate vi
[23:43:03] <R2E4> I use pico on terminal
[23:43:06] <zeeshan> or notepad++ for windows
[23:43:15] <jthornton> I still have a set of dos 6.something disks
[23:45:40] <Tom_itx> i still use 6.22
[23:45:57] <R2E4> pncconf wont do 2 Y axis
[23:45:57] <Tom_itx> last ver before windows
[23:46:01] <R2E4> ark....
[23:46:19] <Tom_itx> pico is ok
[23:46:25] <Tom_itx> gedit is easier
[23:46:39] <R2E4> mousepad
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[23:48:50] <Tom_itx> i use programmer's notepad in windows
[23:49:31] <Tom_itx> wordstar
[23:50:32] <ssi> wordstar hiphop?
[23:50:54] <jthornton> what was the word processor that opened up to a blank prompt?
[23:51:13] <Tom_itx> iirc qedit did
[23:51:39] <Tom_itx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordStar
[23:51:43] <Tom_itx> for you young pups
[23:52:15] <ssi> cool it grandpa
[23:52:54] <Tom_itx> not quite
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[23:53:40] <jthornton> I think it was wordperfect for dos
[23:53:55] <Tom_itx> lotus was another tricky one to use
[23:54:06] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Biotch, I got WordStar, original box/binder with VERTICAL FUNCTION KEYS overlays =)
[23:54:09] <Tom_itx> spreadsheet
[23:54:21] <Tom_itx> you're an ole fu** ehh?
[23:54:34] <Tom_itx> i had overlays too
[23:54:43] <Jymmm> VERTICAL?
[23:54:53] <Tom_itx> you actually got documentation with software back then
[23:55:19] <Tom_itx> i don't remember... on app i had was vertical
[23:55:43] <Tom_itx> that kbd still works too btw
[23:55:56] <Tom_itx> just don't drop it on your foot
[23:56:12] <ssi> why are we talking about antique word processors?
[23:56:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://oi44.tinypic.com/161dbf4.jpg
[23:56:25] <Tom_itx> ssi, to make you feel left out?
[23:56:42] <CaptHindsight> does that tooth at 195 deg look chipped or is it an illusion? http://ibin.co/2LYjutZrGWJh
[23:56:42] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://oi40.tinypic.com/34ngkr6.jpg
[23:57:01] <jthornton> been doing so much golang I forgot the python for syntax lol
[23:57:03] <ssi> I don't feel left out
[23:57:08] <ssi> I'm a vi power user
[23:57:14] <ssi> I don't use newfangled crap like wordstar
[23:57:41] <ssi> jthornton: I'm glad you like golang... I think it's great
[23:57:46] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, it kinda does
[23:57:47] <fenn> the tooth is chipped
[23:57:50] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Talk about old fuck --> ssi
[23:57:53] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Might just be that that one isn’t covered in grease. It isn’t a part of the tooth that touches the worm.
[23:57:57] <Sync> besides their coc ssi
[23:58:12] <Tom_itx> yeah the tip is, may not affect it much
[23:58:30] <Tom_itx> ahh i bet andy's right
[23:59:29] <zeeshan> https://youtu.be/_Dbn5IuoxkI
[23:59:33] <zeeshan> i see haas back there
[23:59:33] <zeeshan> !
[23:59:38] <zeeshan> https://youtu.be/_Dbn5IuoxkI?t=129
[23:59:39] <zeeshan> whoops
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