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[00:00:01] <memleak> xD
[00:00:45] <mozmck> I have wondered why some people prefer spaces myself.
[00:01:10] <memleak> i forgot when i put archlinux arm on here that the majority of the developers don't know how to compile things correctly, at the same time i needed customization, but now i have a broken release of python
[00:01:13] <cradek> it was a mistake to make a whitespace-dependent language that did not forbid EITHER leading tabs or leading spaces
[00:01:23] <cradek> history should've known better
[00:01:24] <seb_kuzminsky> a wild cradek appears!
[00:01:31] <mozmck> I hate having to backspace through spaces is one of the main reasons I don't like them.
[00:01:41] <seb_kuzminsky> ^W takes them all out
[00:01:47] <mozmck> what editor?
[00:01:50] <seb_kuzminsky> ivm
[00:01:50] <cradek> I just put up four bags of plaster
[00:01:52] <memleak> cradek, if C only allowed spaces or ONLY tabs, that would be awesome.. wouldn't have thought of that
[00:02:04] <cradek> memleak: I figured you were talking about python
[00:02:07] <cradek> in C, who cares
[00:02:35] <memleak> well python especially
[00:02:56] <cradek> mozmck: if you have trouble with that, I suspect you use neither vim nor emacs, and I think that is your problem right there :-)
[00:03:09] <mozmck> I mostly use eclipse :)
[00:03:14] <cradek> sorry, I just put up four bags of plaster so I'm probably a little loopy
[00:03:24] <memleak> what version of python do you ubc users use?
[00:03:25] <mozmck> It probably has a hot key for that as well but I haven't looked for it.
[00:03:28] <seb_kuzminsky> sniffing the plaster dust?
[00:03:29] <cradek> yep I figured it was something like that :-)
[00:03:35] <memleak> 2.7, 2.8, 2.6?
[00:03:45] <cradek> well mostly my hands just hurt
[00:04:04] <memleak> err 2.8 isn't real, nvm
[00:04:41] <seb_kuzminsky> what are you plastering?
[00:04:52] <mozmck> I use eclipse because it makes it so much faster for me to figure out new code - or even go through stuff I know somewhat. I haven't seen anything in vim or emacs that comes close yet.
[00:05:07] <cradek> redoing the east wall in the dining room
[00:05:09] <seb_kuzminsky> i use vim with cscope, it's super fast
[00:05:26] <seb_kuzminsky> i've never used eclipse, maybe it's awesomer
[00:05:43] <mozmck> hit F3 over any function, variable etc and it opens the file and puts you at the definition for whatever it is.
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[00:06:00] <cradek> both vim and emacs do that (using tags hotkeys)
[00:06:05] <seb_kuzminsky> for me it's ^]
[00:06:15] <cradek> in emacs it's Alt-.
[00:06:16] <mozmck> hover over nearly anything and it pops up a window showing the definition etc.
[00:06:41] <CaptHindsight> wow, most people just use drywal
[00:07:14] <cradek> CaptHindsight: my house is about 100 and drywall sucks
[00:07:38] <cradek> little boxes on the hillside, little boxes made of ticky-tacky
[00:07:49] <mozmck> I really haven't tried too long to use them, and each time I look at them I have to read a manual to figure out how to exit :) How do they know what files to look through for definitions etc?
[00:08:20] <cradek> mozmck: you generate an index with a command-line program (like linuxcnc has a make tags target that generates it)
[00:08:43] <seb_kuzminsky> my vim auto-generates my cscope database at startup, and regenerates it on file save
[00:08:49] <mozmck> I've heard emacs could do everything including build mars rockets...
[00:09:18] <CaptHindsight> I never did enough of it to get the hang of plastering or taping
[00:09:49] <CaptHindsight> it either looks like stucco or requires hours of sanding :)
[00:09:57] <mozmck> interesting eclipse does that automatically. I don't like java (hate almost?), but I've gotten used to eclipse, and find it better the Visual Studio for sure.
[00:10:35] <mozmck> CaptHindsight: I think hours or sanding is part of the job description? :)
[00:10:42] <mozmck> of
[00:10:59] <cradek> CaptHindsight: use a wet sponge as it's almost dry
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[00:11:43] <owhite> atom1: youre docs suggest installing GHDL using sudo apt-get install ghdl
[00:11:44] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/ubc3-deb 7c1fbf1 06linuxcnc 10debian/linuxcnc.files.in 10src/Makefile install rsyslogd.conf file * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c1fbf1
[00:11:44] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/ubc3-deb 8579fcd 06linuxcnc 10debian/rules.in deb/rules: leave the rtapi_app_posix program suid root * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=8579fcd
[00:12:02] <owhite> apt-get is reporting ghdl has no installation candidate
[00:13:06] <CaptHindsight> cradek: I've patched small stuff but plaster over lath is more art
[00:13:26] <atom1> http://gna.org/projects/ghdl/
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[00:14:01] <atom1> you could try the package manager
[00:14:25] <owhite> working on it..
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[00:18:43] <owhite> atom1: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:pgavin/ghdl; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install ghdl
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[00:25:31] <owhite> atom1: could you shout out the git clone command to obtain...
[00:25:38] <owhite> /home/tom/linuxcnc/mesa/5i20/CONFIGS/HOSTMOT2/SOURCE
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[00:27:04] <atom1> ?
[00:27:17] <atom1> download the 5i20 files from mesanet.com
[00:27:22] <atom1> unzip them
[00:28:11] <owhite> ok got it. might want to throw that in your otherwise perfect docs.
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[00:35:05] <Tom_itx> yeah i'm adding the stuff for GHDL too
[00:35:20] <Tom_itx> i make some assumptions there
[00:35:31] <Tom_itx> that if you're building bit files you probably have the source
[00:35:34] <Tom_itx> :)
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[00:36:32] <owhite> http://www.mesanet.com/software/parallel/5i20.zip
[00:37:24] <Tom_itx> would be different for other boards
[00:41:36] <owhite> got it, maybe just direct users to
http://www.mesanet.com/software/parallel
[00:44:11] <Tom_itx> the files are listed with each board
[00:44:32] <Tom_itx> not all are parallel
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[00:51:22] <Tom_L> owhite, does that look better?
[00:51:55] <owhite> let me check, I was just completing generating a programming file. :-)
[00:52:01] <Tom_L> refresh
[00:53:13] <owhite> ack. bit file generation failed. Hang on...
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[01:06:26] <owhite> tom - the documents look great.
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[01:16:45] <owhite> tom_itx: the program generation seems to be choking on lines like these in some of the vhd files:
[01:16:53] <owhite> use work.@CARD@.all;
[01:16:59] <owhite> any thoughts?
[01:17:24] <linuxcnc-build> build #21 of deb-precise-xenomai-binary-x86 is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update shell_1] Build details are at
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[01:17:33] <linuxcnc-build> build #21 of deb-precise-xenomai-binary-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update shell_1] Build details are at
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[01:18:49] <linuxcnc-build> build #21 of deb-precise-rtpreempt-binary-x86 is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update shell_1] Build details are at
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[01:19:01] <linuxcnc-build> build #21 of deb-precise-rtpreempt-binary-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update shell_1] Build details are at
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[01:26:41] <Tom_itx> owhite, yeah don't use that
[01:26:49] <Tom_itx> use the one below it for your board
[01:28:02] <Tom_itx> i think i indicate that on my page
[01:30:51] <jthornton> when I try and register someone on the forum I get "Could not open socket" at
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/comprofiler/
[01:32:11] <owhite> sorry, yes you did. An oversight on my part.
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[02:05:43] <atom1> owhite, if you aren't using the alternate function you may want to reduce the instance in the first array and assign NullTag to the IOPortTag for each pin
[02:06:48] <owhite> atom1: does all that refer to the pin file?
[02:06:51] <atom1> by removing QCountTag at IO25 and associated pins you could move the pwm0 down to the 2nd header
[02:07:01] <atom1> yes
[02:07:22] <atom1> i don't know exactly what you need though
[02:08:02] <linuxcnc-build> build #1311 of deb-lucid-rt-binary-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at
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[02:08:26] <owhite> ok. So right now I'm using the native files from mesanet and I'm still getting a compiling error when making the firmware. It reports synthesize failed, but I cant find any errors, only warnings.
[02:08:42] <atom1> which file?
[02:08:58] <atom1> PIN_SVST8_4_72.vhd?
[02:10:00] <owhite> yeah I configured to make PIN_SVS8_4_72.vhd by uncommenting.
[02:10:10] <owhite> as spec-ed in your docs.
[02:10:23] <atom1> i'm gonna build it here once
[02:10:41] <owhite> k
[02:11:16] <atom1> you have your top file open?
[02:11:38] <atom1> use work.i20card.all; should be uncommented
[02:12:13] <atom1> and the 'use work.@card@.all;' commented out
[02:12:27] <owhite> yes, it's not choking on those points - it did until I commented/uncommented stuff per your docs.
[02:12:28] <atom1> use work.PIN_SVST8_4_72.all; uncommented as well
[02:13:10] <atom1> ok mine is synthesizing
[02:13:37] <owhite> done. this runs the compile for something like 5-10 minutes, seems to come pretty close to the end, and then die.
[02:13:55] <atom1> did you install SP4?
[02:14:05] <owhite> for example it says its at the "final report". Wait - what's SP4?
[02:14:09] <atom1> you may want to do that
[02:14:20] <atom1> a service pack update from the xilinx archives
[02:14:41] <atom1> listed with the 9.2 files
[02:14:51] <owhite> okay, so download and then how to install?
[02:15:51] <atom1> unzip it into the same folder as your install then run setup from a terminal as root or 'sudo su'
[02:16:05] <atom1> from your xilinx directory
[02:16:12] <owhite> roger that.
[02:17:02] <atom1> err, it will be in a sub folder called 9_2_04i_lin
[02:17:21] <owhite> unfortunately I have some people at my house that are looking at me cross-eyed so I have to jump off soon. Do you figure you'll be online tomorrow around this time?
[02:17:24] <atom1> run setup from that directory
[02:17:37] <atom1> i'm generally around
[02:17:52] <owhite> okay. Thanks.
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[02:18:10] <atom1> Tom_itx usually
[02:18:19] <owhite> got it.
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[02:23:16] <atom1> completed here ok
[02:25:36] <atom1> running your file now
[02:26:16] <owhite> thanks
[02:29:21] <owhite> obviously my preference is to be able to do run it on my environment to debug my pin file, but it'll be helpful.
[02:31:45] <atom1> calling yours: PIN_SVST8_4_72_SPC
[02:31:53] <atom1> 'special'
[02:38:59] <atom1> done
[02:42:48] <owhite> crap - I installed SP4 and it still failed.
[02:43:13] <owhite> where are you going to put ...SPC?
[02:43:55] <owhite> when you compile do you get warnings?
[02:44:36] <atom1> pm
[02:44:48] <atom1> you get warnings
[02:44:52] <atom1> some you can ignore
[02:55:13] <memleak> oh boy.. boost looks like a pain to cross compile and compiling natively would take... days?
[02:55:45] <memleak> a high end x86 processor can generally do it in a few hours..
[02:55:57] <memleak> why does linuxcnc need boost again?
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[07:47:27] <memleak> well boost has been compiling on the a20 for..
[07:47:37] <memleak> 5 hours so far :)
[07:48:06] <memleak> night all, hopefully i can get linuxcnc working on my cubieboard2 soon!
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[15:48:34] <memleak> sweet! after recompiling boost and python 2.7.6 linuxcnc configured without problems for once! hopefully it'll start now on my cubie!
[15:53:43] <pcw_home> sounds very promising!
[15:54:42] <memleak> i used to be an archlinux developer and i know from talking to everyone there that a lot of them don't know how to correctly compile and install certain things..
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[15:59:51] <memleak> always getting fancy and more complicated with ./configure --prefix=${pkgdir} ; make ; make PREFIX=${pkgdir} :/
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[16:00:40] <memleak> err make PREFIX=${pkgdir} install
[16:03:47] <seb_kuzminsky> hm, the 'make install' should't need PREFIX, it should have gotten that via Makefile.inc from configure
[16:03:52] <pcw_home> all that stuff's Greek to me
[16:05:29] <seb_kuzminsky> le Greek, c
[16:05:43] <seb_kuzminsky> le Greek, c'est chiq
[16:06:16] <memleak> some terribly written packages ignore prefix and install to either /usr or /usr/local
[16:06:35] <memleak> therefor just to be safe it gets redefined again for install
[16:06:37] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, you're not talking about linuxcnc, you're talking about some other, inferior package ;-)
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[16:07:35] <memleak> linuxcnc works as long as the host was built properly, but it's very good at catching bugs in the distribution, which is what i sort of like about it :)
[16:07:58] <memleak> it helped me dramatically with all the RTAI development because it would run it through it's hoops
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[16:46:00] <memleak> finally i found the fix for the missing img extension for tk! official package name is tkimg!
[16:46:25] <memleak> after THAT is done, now i should be able to run linuxcnc without problems :)
[16:47:07] <pcw_home> famous last words...
[16:47:35] <memleak> we'll see after tkimg is done compiling :)
[16:48:24] <pcw_home> compiling natively?
[16:48:45] <memleak> yes
[16:49:02] <pcw_home> SATA drive?
[16:49:27] <CaptHindsight> still on the SD card
[16:50:17] <memleak> i hope it doesnt wear out before i get linuxcnc working
[16:50:57] <pcw_home> SATA would probably be a lot faster
[17:03:57] <CaptHindsight> one step at a time
[17:04:59] <CaptHindsight> probably swap over later today
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[17:06:53] <CaptHindsight> anyone that really wants to know how to learn to fix anything Linux should run Arch, you'll get chances every time you update anything :)
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[17:16:31] <memleak> you start running out of options when you can't modify fedora or ubuntu and gentoo would have to be completely cross-compiled to a full blown distribution
[17:20:41] <seb_kuzminsky> zultron: i'm trying to debug that hal_init problem i'm seeing in packaged ubc, and i'm confused as to why the rtapi_print_msg() calls in hal_init_mode() aren't showing up in the logs
[17:22:35] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: are you using the new logging?
[17:22:50] <skunkworks> (linuxcnc.log file)
[17:22:56] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
[17:23:22] <skunkworks> There was an issue where the messaging system would get too many messages and would drop a ton
[17:24:54] <pcw_home> so the new rtai based UBC stuff logs to linuxcnc.log?
[17:26:15] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: yes, it puts all log messages (from kernel and user space) into syslog, and it has a little config file for rsyslogd to put linuxcnc's messages into /var/log/linuxcnc.log
[17:26:49] <skunkworks> it gets flooded.. Let me see if I can find what was figured out..
[17:27:15] <pcw_home> Thats nice (fewwer places to look for errors)
[17:27:57] <seb_kuzminsky> i like it too
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[17:30:07] <skunkworks> http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc-devel/2013-09-26.html#13:10:35
[17:30:13] <skunkworks> that is some of it...
[17:31:44] <skunkworks> http://www.rsyslog.com/tag/rate-limiting/
[17:31:58] <skunkworks> second half
[17:32:00] <skunkworks> http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc-devel/2013-09-27.html#13:10:35
[17:32:30] <skunkworks> it ended up being the messaging system was rate limiting.. I don't know if that is your isse
[17:32:32] <skunkworks> issue
[17:32:37] <pcw_home> normally you would not log normal real time activity so the rate limitation is probabl not serious
[17:33:08] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks skunkworks
[17:33:14] <skunkworks> for me - it wasn't showing the pin mapping for the 7i80
[17:33:22] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont think that's my problem, fwiw
[17:33:26] <skunkworks> ok
[17:33:31] <pcw_home> that is bad
[17:33:53] <pcw_home> maybe just a buffer size issue
[17:34:22] <skunkworks> well - increasing the rsyslog messages per second or whatever it was fixed it.
[17:35:22] <seb_kuzminsky> it only shows up on packaged builds, not rip, which makes me think it's some configuration file or something that's not being included in the package, or some install path that's wrong
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[18:05:21] <zultron> seb_kuzminsky, just here for a moment. rsyslogd should tell you if it drops logs.
[18:05:49] <pcw_home> yes (insert ellipsis?)
[18:06:05] <zultron> Is the problem the same as that you posted on emc-devel?
[18:06:53] <zultron> There's the message I'm not familiar with: ***** WARNING: GLOBAL HEAP NEITHER SHARABLE NOR USABLE FROM USER SPACE (use the vmalloc option for RTAI malloc) *****
[18:08:22] <zultron> Anyway, bbl. I'll take a look when I can.
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[18:40:01] <memleak> zultron, its in make menuconfig for RTAI, under "other options" i believe
[18:40:36] <memleak> you'll see it along with RTAI MATH support, watchdog support and userspace interrupts
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[18:45:52] <memleak> open up kconfig in RTAI and you'll see the vmalloc option soon enough
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[20:06:49] <seb_kuzminsky> zultron, memleak: but it works in rip on that kernel
[20:11:41] <seb_kuzminsky> ebian
[20:11:48] <seb_kuzminsky> oops
[20:13:05] <zultron> seb_kuzminsky, to eliminate the possibility of packaging problems, can you do a manual non-rip build/install?
[20:13:29] <zultron> If that's not easy, I'll be able to try later.
[20:13:52] <zultron> (Not easy to *un*install!)
[20:28:09] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll try it
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[20:45:44] <seb_kuzminsky> zultron: 'make install' behaves like when i install it from the deb
[20:46:23] <zultron> Ok, good, then it's up to me to fix the non-RIP install.
[20:46:36] <zultron> I think your email said you saw the same behavior on posix threads.
[20:46:58] <zultron> I don't have an RTAI install handy (which is not to say I don't need one!).
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[20:50:48] <seb_kuzminsky> yes, same on posix and rtai-kernel
[20:51:04] <seb_kuzminsky> i didnt try posix on the 'make install' machine, and i just destroyed it, sorry :-(
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[20:51:32] <seb_kuzminsky> i should push my non-packaging-related fixes to ubc3, hold on a sec
[20:52:23] <zultron> You didn't try manual, non-RIP posix install, but the packaged posix and RTAI errors are the same, correct?
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[20:54:48] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05unified-build-candidate-3 f6dcd4a 06linuxcnc 10tcl/linuxcnc.tcl.in fix linuxcnc launcher script for new ubc substvars * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6dcd4a
[20:54:48] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05unified-build-candidate-3 fa45e84 06linuxcnc 10scripts/linuxcnc.in 10scripts/realtime.in fix inivar path in linuxcnc launcher and realtime scripts * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa45e84
[20:57:21] <seb_kuzminsky> zultron: that's right
[20:57:35] <seb_kuzminsky> and they're also the same as manual non-rip rtai-kernel instal
[20:58:02] <zultron> Cool, thx for confirming.
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