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[00:21:07] <Maks|Di2> господа, скажите URL для плагинов JOSM
[00:21:30] <Maks|Di2> а то в 7906 он похоже не рабочий совсем
[00:32:42] <Maks|Di2> а нет, URL в порядке, это сам JOSM не рабочий
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[10:41:14] <Maks|Di2> оказывается Josm всё так же капризен к версии Java, то ему раньше все JRE были слишком старые, а теперь оказывается подавай из архивов только старую версию
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[10:53:01] <Zverik> Maks|Di2: это ненормально, какая версия не подходит? Latest работает?
[11:03:31] <Maks|Di2> не работает на 1.8, асудя по каждому 3-му багу на трекере josm-а, они считают, что java-1.8 плохая, просто по определению
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[11:04:08] <freeExec> они гонят, уже полгода работаю на 1.8
[11:04:31] <Maks|Di2> у меня вот крошится инсталяция с нуля
[11:04:53] <Maks|Di2> когда просто мигрировал со всеми настройками, работала как-то
[11:04:56] <freeExec> инсталяция? чего
[11:05:51] <Maks|Di2> ОС с нуля, профиля старого нет, всё чистое
[11:06:24] <freeExec> причём тут крошение ос и жосм
[11:06:50] <Maks|Di2> не ОС крошится, а JOSM в консоль ругается на тонну ошибок
[11:07:45] <freeExec> например каких?
[11:07:59] <freeExec> чего гадать-то на кофейной гуще
[11:08:33] <Maks|Di2> ERROR: java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: com.sun.imageio.plugins.jpeg.JPEGImageReader.initReaderIDs(Ljava/lang/Class;Ljava/lang/Class;Ljava/lang/Class;)V. Cause: java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: com.sun.imageio.plugins.jpeg.JPEGImageReader.initReaderIDs(Ljava/lang/Class;Ljava/lang/Class;Ljava/lang/Class;)V
[11:09:55] <andrewsh> ну у тебя ж зависимости битые
[11:10:35] <freeExec> в окружении прописаны разные JAVA_HOME=c:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.7.0_25
[11:10:56] <Maks|Di2> это одинаково на всех версиях java-1.8, включая оракловую
[11:13:06] <Maks|Di2> ну и различные сетевые операции рандомно не работают, но почему то молча и без ругани, например список плагинов не скачивается
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[14:51:49] <andrewsh> Zverik:
http://orava.sme.sk/c/7586379/transsibirskou-magistralou-napriec-ruskom.html#map
[14:51:55] <andrewsh> мапки юзают :)
[14:52:08] <andrewsh> не был копирайт, правда, но по моему напоминанию проставили
[14:52:20] <andrewsh> только © не туда прилепили :)
[14:59:58] <freeExec> а что есть "Prispievatelia"
[15:00:06] <freeExec> представители чтоли
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[15:10:32] <andrewsh> freeExec: «contributors»
[15:10:39] <andrewsh> т.е. те, кто «приспевают»
[15:10:56] <andrewsh> contribution = prispievok
[15:14:25] <freeExec> фи, не хочу быть приспивком, толи с пивком, толи плювком
[15:18:08] <freeExec> картинка недели - в Англии зелёная трава
[15:35:22] <andrewsh> freeExec: приспевок же
[15:35:31] <andrewsh> приспевок — это то, что ты вносишь
[15:35:40] <andrewsh> вклад, т.е.
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[16:32:27] <Zverik> хм. Xxzme/d1g вылез в tagging@
[16:32:40] <Zverik> поссорился с абсолютно всеми, включая единственного собеседника, который его поддерживал
[16:34:44] <Zverik> и ещё он предлагает ref:M10=yes вместо ref=M10
[16:35:35] <freeExec> это типа вместо z;v;b
[16:36:00] <Zverik> ага
[16:36:43] <freeExec> оно вроде бы и логично, но для рандомного тексте не катит
[16:37:07] <Zverik> freeExec: логично до того момента, как попытаешься использовать эту схему в postgis или шейпах
[16:38:23] <freeExec> а в чём его там поддержали?
[16:38:59] <Zverik> да уже ни в чём. Пришёл Ричард и показал, что у него есть банхаммер. Пришёл Фредерик и сказал, что ключи и значения смешивать нельзя
[16:39:32] <freeExec> :)
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[16:49:19] <Hind> А я вот тоже однажды
[16:49:37] <Hind> Придумал схему адресации на отношениях, где в role был номер дома.
[16:49:50] <Hind> Но потом она показалась слишком натянутой в семантическом смысле
[16:50:09] <Hind> «Этот полигон присутствует на Котовской улице в качестве №7»
[16:50:16] <Hind> Ну наркоманство же
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[17:10:44] <Zverik> есть ли тут те, кто не придумывал таких отношений? :)
[17:11:35] <Zverik> логичным выводом из такого становится раскрытие ролей в систему тегов
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[17:15:07] <andrewsh> Zverik: оно сумасшедшее
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[17:19:35] <andrewsh> Zverik: d1g сумасшедшее, в смысле
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[17:26:15] <Zverik> ага
[17:27:41] <andrewsh> 14:08:28 <karavanjo> 12:01:50 - andrewsh: ещё этот dkiselev со своим ломаным английским
[17:27:44] <andrewsh> 14:08:48 <karavanjo> спроси его по-русски.
[17:27:52] <andrewsh> ну да, в tagging@ его по-русски ещё спрашивать
[17:28:10] <andrewsh> да и вообще, может, я не говорю по-русски :)
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[17:58:57] <Hind> Я вообще не знаю, чем плоха система отдельного отношения на каждый адрес.
[17:59:06] <Hind> Адресованных объекто в осме всего порядка 50 миллионов
[17:59:20] <Hind> Это вообще ни о чём в масштабах БД.
[17:59:49] <freeExec> в кропотливости
[17:59:52] <Hind> Пф
[17:59:56] <Hind> Вопрос инструментария
[18:00:13] <Komzpa|work> веи-то создавать не сложно
[18:00:45] <freeExec> и получим в итогии коллекции
[18:00:47] <Hind> iD вон в режиме хомячка при вводе адреса сейчас заполняет теги, а мог бы заполнять отношения. Разницы для пользователя никакой.
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[18:01:31] <freeExec> вот если использовать только для многоадресных
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[18:03:03] <Hind> «Котярная адресация»
[18:03:07] <Hind> :3
[18:03:39] <freeExec> котярсхема
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[18:06:25] <andrewsh> котосхема
[18:06:46] <Hind> Можно сделать новый тип объекта в API 0.7
[18:06:48] <Hind> address
[18:08:03] <Hind> Может включать в себя любые другие типы объектов, кроме address. Теги использовать обычные addr:*
[18:08:14] <freeExec> и зачем?
[18:08:16] <Hind> Просто так :3
[18:08:23] <freeExec> аа, тогда можно
[18:08:24] <Hind> Because we can
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[18:09:21] <Hind> А в базу по факту класть отношение type=address
[18:09:26] <Hind> PROFIT
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[18:11:06] <freeExec> хм... нам нужно новое отношение highway, и тогда нам не строшны разрывы
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[18:25:26] <freeExec> гы
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=479463#p479463
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