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[00:51:59] <Zverik_home> htop пишет, что firefox есть 62% памяти. Достойно, учитывая, что у меня 12 гигов
[00:52:03] <Zverik_home> всего-то 15 вкладок
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[10:21:44] <Wild> Zverik_home: ничего себе...
[10:21:57] <Wild> ой блин... я буду смотреть на время, я буду... :)
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[16:39:49] <Junglist> http://openstreetmap.ru/#map=18/55.73019/37.83272&layer=M
[16:40:34] <Junglist> подскажите, как разметить внутри терапевтического корпуса, что там еще есть станция переливания крови?
[16:41:17] <Junglist> у нее свой вход, вывеска, на указателях на территории больницы она тоже отдельно указана. Точкой в нужном месте здания, а что в тегах поставить?
[16:43:47] <Wild> Junglist: amenity=doctors?
[16:44:17] <Junglist> а в name название?
[16:45:08] <Wild> Да.
[16:45:29] <Junglist> спасибо
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[22:45:59] <Maks|3ssd> AMDmi3:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/222056/history это как так?
[22:46:46] <AMDmi3> а что не так?
[22:47:01] <Maks|3ssd> а что за транксрипция в name?
[22:47:46] <AMDmi3> хм, вероятно перенёс с контура как было
[22:48:26] <AMDmi3> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/31270403/history
[22:49:25] <AMDmi3> это там с 20.02.2009
[22:50:07] <Maks|3ssd> Извините, данные для линии с 31270403 слишком длинные для извлечения.
[22:50:20] <AMDmi3> ну в josm посмотри
[22:50:29] <Maks|3ssd> ну я понял уже
[22:50:43] <AMDmi3> исправить?
[22:50:53] <Maks|3ssd> ещё бы с natural/waterway порядок навести
[22:51:42] <Maks|3ssd> оно или natural=water + water=river/riverbank или waterway=riverbank
[22:52:07] <AMDmi3> это всё равно одно и то же
[22:52:16] <AMDmi3> можно и всё вместе
[22:52:17] <Maks|3ssd> но никак не natural=water без water=* и при этом waterway=riverbank
[22:52:56] <AMDmi3> почему никак? если оно natural=water + water=* то оно имеет полное право быть natural=water
[22:53:11] <AMDmi3> а waterway=riverbank вообще ортогонален
[22:54:11] <Maks|3ssd> waterway=riverbank - по определению русло реки, а natural=water без уточнения просто вода
[22:54:35] <AMDmi3> и где тут противоречие?
[22:54:39] <Maks|3ssd> я например по дефолту интерпретирую natural=water без уточнения как озеро
[22:54:48] <AMDmi3> ну так это ошибка
[22:55:37] <Maks|3ssd> правда от таких случаев у меня есть постобработка, принудительно приводящая воду к руслу рек при наличии waterway=riverbank
[22:56:54] <Maks|3ssd> нет тут никакой ошибки, 99,9% natural=water - это водоёмы, для русел рек его стали применять только из-за того что кому то не понравилось что тег waterway может быть полигональным, а не линейным
[22:57:35] <Maks|3ssd> и то, natural=water для русел рек - это исключительно с уточнением water=river/riverbank
[22:57:56] <AMDmi3> проценты тут неуместны; water без уточнений - это любая вода
[22:58:51] <Maks|3ssd> практика определяет использование тега, а не гипотетика
[22:59:37] <AMDmi3> ну мучайся тогда, практик :)
[23:00:11] <Maks|3ssd> а я не мучаюсь, у меня такие фейковые озёра детектятся и нормализуются
[23:01:18] <Maks|3ssd> в отличии от дефолтного мапника, где вообще невозможно определить что за вода и срач из подписей разного типа в перемешку
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[23:02:44] <AMDmi3> на самом деле не нужно ничего нормализовывать - если что-то тэгируется криво, оно должно рендериться максимально криво чтобы это исправлялось
[23:03:09] <AMDmi3> если ты можешь что-то нормализовать, то ты тем же способом можешь исправить данные
[23:03:52] <Maks|3ssd> меня уже 3 года совершенно не интересует содержимое базы ОСМ, потому что там по определению срач, любые попытки что-то исправить, пораждают всяких вовиков и прочих
[23:04:07] <Maks|3ssd> то, что я могу исправить, я исправляю
[23:04:31] <AMDmi3> ну если не интересует, значит дальше будет только хуже
[23:04:31] <Maks|3ssd> но мне важнее получить работающий выхлоп от данных ОСМ
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[23:25:47] <Maks|3ssd> теоретизация и идеализация данных - это хорошо, но оно не должно становиться исключительной самоцелью, конечная цень любых данных — возможность их использования
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[23:42:43] <Maks|3ssd> в очередной раз испытал Oregon 300 на живучесть при падениях
[23:43:05] <Maks|3ssd> так высоко и так далеко и на бетон он у меня ещё не падал до этого
[23:44:03] <Maks|3ssd> всякие смартфоны точно не нужны
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