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[00:02:42] <Komzpa> opening_date
[00:09:12] <Komzpa> тертиари на осмоснимках починены
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[00:11:47] <trolleway> <Komzpa> там сейчас база обновляется, или нет?
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[00:16:25] <Komzpa> trolleway: база да, тайлы не экспайрятся
[00:16:59] <trolleway> не чего?
[00:23:30] <Zverik> jekhor: в россии? не уверен, что они есть. Хотя есть гост, да
[00:23:39] <Zverik> проще всего у Лебедева подсмотреть ссылки
[00:23:54] <jekhor> этот гост не распространяется на геоназвания
[00:24:10] <Zverik> на практике я вижу, что переводят абы как
[00:24:17] <jekhor> вот, я потому и спросил :)
[00:24:35] <Zverik> http://stanislaw.ru/rus/research/transliterate.asp#.UJ63-KC-Q1I
[00:26:17] <Zverik> ещё вот:
http://egold-money.info/egold_translit.html
[00:27:17] <jekhor> я к чему:
http://mymaster.livejournal.com/323089.html?thread=5492497#t5492497
[00:28:32] <Zverik> большая таблица в вики:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Транслитерация_русского_алфавита_латиницей#.D0.A1.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.B2.D0.BD.D0.B8.D1.82.D0.B5.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.BD.D0.B0.D1.8F_.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.B1.D0.BB.D0.B8.D1.86.D0.B0_.D1.81.D0.B8.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B5.D0.BC_.D1.82.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.BD.D1.81.D0.BB.D0.B8.D1.82.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B0.D1.86.D0.B8.D0.B8
[00:28:42] <jekhor> похоже, у вас там тот же бардак, что и у нас.
[00:28:53] <jekhor> но у нас хоть с картами уже порядок с 2007 года
[00:29:24] <jekhor> а сейчас начали эту систему применять и в реальной жизни (метро)
[00:29:40] <loir> о, Zverik, к тебе вопрос
[00:29:54] <loir> каким маршрутом ты бы поехал из Москвы в Таллин?
[00:30:31] <Zverik> jekhor: я так понимаю, сейчас для названий нет жёстко закреплённой схемы транслитерации
[00:30:47] <Zverik> как mymaster говорит, так и есть
[00:31:01] <Zverik> loir: есть же поезд
[00:31:12] <Zverik> вроде
[00:31:30] <trolleway> обана, Буслова и в этом канале тоже передают
[00:31:39] <loir> Zverik, хотим на авто
[00:32:17] <Zverik> а. Тогда, наверное, через латвию
[00:32:23] <loir> нееее
[00:32:36] <loir> мы хотим сначала в Таллин, потом в Ригу
[00:32:44] <Zverik> :)
[00:32:52] <Zverik> тогда через Койдулу (Печоры)
[00:32:58] <Zverik> хотя там платная граница
[00:33:06] <Zverik> можно и через соседнюю с ней
[00:33:19] <loir> переформулирую: есть смысл ехать через Лугу?
[00:33:23] <Zverik> нет
[00:33:36] <loir> через Гатчину?
[00:33:39] <Zverik> в нарве пересекать границу, особенно в новый год -- отвратительная идея
[00:33:52] <Zverik> лучше в псковской области
[00:34:09] <loir> сосем плохо?
[00:34:18] <Zverik> (это если вы в новый год собираетесь)
[00:34:27] <Zverik> летом мы вполне нормально пересекали
[00:34:28] <loir> да, 30 числа
[00:34:44] <Zverik> о, будете в таллине -- звоните :)
[00:35:14] <Zverik> а чем плохо через Псков ехать?
[00:35:28] <loir> на 100 км длиннее путь
[00:35:35] <Zverik> из москвы?
[00:35:41] <loir> из Твери
[00:36:17] <loir> Трасса м9 - адский ужос
[00:36:32] <jekhor> On the maps intended for international circulation, the Romanization system for the Cyrillic
[00:36:32] <jekhor> characters GOST-83 approved by the Fifth UN Conference of the standardization of
[00:36:32] <jekhor> geographical names (Montreal, 1983) continues to be used.
[00:36:39] <jekhor> мды
[00:36:44] <jekhor> я вам искренне соболезную
[00:37:12] <loir> тут Лекс в Твери поисправлял, цитирую: "Тверь. Статусы дорог, пофиксил неправильные "мосты вместе с насыпями"
[00:37:15] <jekhor> это отсюда:
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/ungegn/ungegnConf10.html (см. доклад России)
[00:37:26] <loir> а чего не так мостов с насыпями
[00:37:28] <loir> ?
[00:37:36] <Zverik> loir: ну понятно же -- либо мост, либо насыпь
[00:37:37] <loir> с мостами
[00:37:59] <loir> мостами только пролёт над водой обызвать?
[00:38:03] <loir> обзывать
[00:38:14] <Zverik> loir: да, маршрут вам действительно короче через Нарву. Можете попробовать, но рассчитывайте часов на пять
[00:38:27] <Zverik> loir: только часть, висящую в воздухе
[00:38:42] <loir> Zverik, а через Печоры сколько часов?
[00:39:21] <Zverik> я под новый год только возвращался через печоры, в обратном направлении, вроде, не было очереди. Но там есть плюс: можно (т.е. уже, наверное, нужно) записаться в электронную очередь
[00:40:50] <loir> м9 в плохом состоянии, мы даже не рассматривали Печоры
[00:42:07] <Zverik> так а из каких вариантов ты мне предлагал выбирать? :)
[00:42:23] <loir> через Лугу или через не Лугу :)
[00:43:09] <Zverik> а, т.е. вопрос не от москвы до таллина, а от твери до ивангорода :)
[00:43:24] <loir> ты меня напугал
[00:43:37] <loir> подумаю про Печоры
[00:43:52] <Zverik> печоры сложнее, но очереди значительно меньше
[00:44:00] <loir> чем сложнее?
[00:44:09] <Zverik> нарва простая (хотя это не финляндия, конечно), но там треть петербурга
[00:44:33] <jekhor> но самый ужас, конечно, в Украине
[00:44:36] <Zverik> сложнее электронной регистрацией, дорогами псковской области и сбором за проезд
[00:45:43] <loir> м9 тоже не фонтан
[00:45:52] <loir> тем более зимой
[00:45:56] <Zverik> так и не обязательно м9, можно через Новгород
[00:46:48] <Zverik> возвращаясь к вопросу, из твери в ивангород лучше ехать через а120
[00:46:50] <loir> хм, 950км
[00:47:09] <Zverik> т.е. за тосно свернуть налево, и ехать по ней до м11
[00:48:02] <Zverik> там очень хороший асфальт и почти никого нет. Если через Лугу, попадаешь на асфальт
[00:48:03] <loir> хотя второй экипаж состоит из паникёров, которых и 850 км пугает
[00:48:11] <Zverik> собственно, это и есть вариант "через гатчину"
[00:48:25] <Zverik> вы это же не в один день собираетесь нарезать?
[00:48:29] <loir> один
[00:48:39] <loir> два водителя в каждом авто
[00:48:40] <Zverik> предлагаю вам сделать остановку в нарве
[00:49:05] <loir> ну так в любом случае, в очереди на границе :)
[00:49:11] <Zverik> неее, всё интересней
[00:49:35] <Zverik> гостиница находится в пешеходной доступности от границы. Границу можно перейти пешком, значительно быстрее, чем на машине -- полчаса где-то
[00:49:47] <Zverik> оставляете двух водителей, остальные идут в гостиницу
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[00:51:24] <Zverik> но это, конечно, требует резинового расписания
[00:51:25] <loir> ну там всего 220 км, какой смысл?
[00:52:05] <loir> а если в авто меньше народу, не ускоряет это проход границы?
[00:52:37] <loir> а то я только одну границу пересекал на авто, но там даже останавливаться не обязательно было :)
[00:52:58] <Zverik> нет, не ускоряет
[00:53:09] <Zverik> проблема только в очереди
[00:54:26] <loir> понятно, будем решать дилемму "5 часов или лишние 100 км"
[00:54:42] <loir> я б лишние 100 км проехал, конечно
[00:55:48] <Zverik> http://gotoestonia.ru/granitsa/
[00:58:18] <trolleway> http://b.tile.osmosnimki.ru/kosmo/11/1815/809.png ^-^ переводячне
[00:58:22] <loir> Длина очереди ~18 ч
[01:00:54] <Zverik> loir: это ты смотришь нарва->ивангород
[01:00:58] <loir> да
[01:01:24] <Zverik> тебе в обратную сторону, там по иному устроено
[01:01:25] <loir> в НГ петербуржцы ломятся туда? или в финку?
[01:01:32] <loir> аа
[01:01:39] <Zverik> большая часть -- в финляндию, конечно
[01:02:12] <Zverik> на деле я не думаю, что страшно будет. Но готовлю к худшему :)
[01:02:32] <Zverik> мы, возможно, вообще поплывём на пароме из Хельсинки
[01:04:56] <loir> когда там будете?
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[01:10:36] <Zverik> 29-го вечером примерно
[01:10:39] <Zverik> и до 2-го
[01:11:16] <loir> мы планируем с 30 до 3
[01:11:38] <loir> так что может пересечёмся :)
[01:13:47] <Zverik> а от таллина до риги планируете тоже одним днём? :)
[01:13:55] <loir> да
[01:14:01] <Zverik> маньяки :)
[01:14:08] <loir> почему?
[01:14:27] <Zverik> далеко же. Мы как-то привыкли с комфортом :)
[01:15:04] <loir> 300 км
[01:15:10] <Zverik> а, 300 -- это ок
[01:15:30] <loir> два водителя к тому же
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[01:19:09] <Zverik> мы только что забронировали гостиницу рядом с балтийским вокзалом
[01:19:18] <Zverik> в общем, нужно будет пересечься :)
[01:21:23] <loir> Zverik, мы тоже где-то рядом с вокзалом забронировали
[01:22:34] <Zverik> loir: в go hotelli?
[01:22:56] <loir> сейчас гляну
[01:23:14] <loir> Zverik, red emperor hostel
[01:24:16] <Zverik> красивый :)
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[12:50:35] <Mixaill> jekhor: подожди, ГОСТ-83 это какие-то вещества.
http://www.complexdoc.ru/lib/ГОСТ%2083-79
[12:50:55] <jekhor> Mixaill, ну я процитировал, сам не смог найти
[12:51:32] <andrewsh> Mixaill: а ведь точно, ВЕЩЕСТВА
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[12:57:00] <Mixaill> похоже имелся в виду ГОСТ 16876-83
[13:02:37] <Mixaill> там опечатка в тексте
[13:08:14] <Mixaill> вот оно
http://www.eki.ee/wgrs/rom1_ru.pdf
[13:10:18] <Mixaill> jekhor: ^^
[13:13:36] <jekhor> "также известно как ГОСТ-1983". Не опечатка, просто неофициальное название
[13:14:40] <jekhor> мды-ы. Двойная кавычка как твёрдый знак...
[13:15:08] <jekhor> ну и è
[13:17:14] <jekhor> но в целом вполне терпимые правила
[13:43:21] <andrewsh> :)
[13:43:44] <andrewsh> è — это под влиянием français всяких
[13:43:49] <andrewsh> думается
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[13:53:54] <Zverik> пятиминутный доклад -- 24 слайда. Что-то у меня сомнения :I
[13:54:30] <andrewsh> бгг, мне только что на 'sorry' ответили 'not sorry'
[13:54:46] <andrewsh> что намекает на то, что человек не совсем знаком со смыслом этого слова :)
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[17:14:50] <andrewsh> Zverik: зареквестуй паровозики по европе
[17:38:37] <Zverik> andrewsh: от зареквестуя слышу :)
[17:38:43] <andrewsh> :P
[17:39:10] <andrewsh> вспоминается картинка, которую я как-то нашёл на доске после своих занятий в универе
[17:39:32] <andrewsh> там была изображена схема сети, которую должны были наконфигурять студы
[17:39:41] <andrewsh> в самой середине было нарисовано нечто
[17:39:43] <andrewsh> и подписано:
[17:39:50] <andrewsh> «Здесь живёт пропингуй»
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[18:16:23] <putnik> К вопросу о валидаторе паровозиков.
[18:16:53] <putnik> Ж/д станции должны быть точкой на путях, или там какие-то релейшены есть?
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[18:24:46] <amak> putnik, есть и релейшены, как правило для каждой ветки свои
[18:26:39] <Komzpa> andrewsh: с днём рождения!!111
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[18:32:39] <putnik> amak, но если нет релейшена, то просто закинуть точку на линию будет нормально?
[18:33:14] <amak> фиг его знает :) сам над этим вопросом сейчас думаю
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[20:02:19] <old_Bibigon> кто тут вежливый? напишите ему политкорректно что так делать не надо
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13834212 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13830785
[20:02:29] <old_Bibigon> Maks|ssd, ^ ?
[20:05:49] <Zverik> "Здравствуйте, для старого названия есть специальный тег, old_name. Не пишите его в name, пожалуйста"
[20:09:13] <old_Bibigon> Zverik, напишешь? ;)
[20:09:40] <Mixaill> old_Bibigon: могу я
[20:09:50] <old_Bibigon> потом ещё поспоришь, что old_name там таки есть
[20:10:05] <Mixaill> ник vikimap намекаэ
[20:11:36] <old_Bibigon> Mixaill, если хочешь то пиши... пока это валидаторы не нашли и он сам не догадался что 4 улицы переименовали
[20:12:16] <old_Bibigon> "name = (Энгельса) Преобр-ская ул" это меня вообще штырит :/
[20:16:38] <Mixaill> old_Bibigon: нажал отправить, но не знаю, дошло ли. Что-то логин на сайте колбасит.
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[20:26:21] <Mixaill> теперь точно отправил
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[20:50:40] <Zverik> http://owl.openstreetmap.org -- медленно движется к завершению
[20:51:41] <loir> Zverik, в свете появления кучи следилок ты свой "ктоэтосделал" выключать не собираешься?
[20:53:33] <andrewsh> Komzpa: спасибо! :)
[20:53:46] <Zverik> loir: нет, зачем?
[20:54:01] <loir> Zverik, просто уточняю
[20:54:45] <Zverik> он требует так мало ресурсов, что выключать его смысла нет. К тому же, во всяких owl нет аналитики, и интерфейс хромает
[20:55:10] <loir> ну да, "ктоэтосделал" крутой
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[21:35:42] <Zverik> ура, две презентации из четырёх сделал!
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[21:38:37] <Zverik> (ПАНИКА)
[21:39:50] <andrewsh> DON'T PANIC
[21:40:21] <andrewsh> Komzpa: а ведь rw нам так конфеты-то и не выслал
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[21:50:36] <Zverik> andrewsh: как отмечается? :)
[21:52:15] <andrewsh> никак, увы
[21:52:35] <andrewsh> есть надежда, что часам к 11 вечера заскочим с коллегой на пиво куда-нибудь
[21:52:58] <andrewsh> такова она, жизнь в чужой стране, да
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[22:26:15] <Zverik> andrewsh: ну эээ желаю тебе хорошего пива и вкусной закуски :)
[22:32:37] <vvoovv> andrewsh: с днем рождения!
[22:37:50] <andrewsh> спасибо :)
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