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[19:28:56] <Zverik> сегодня я узнал, что <a name="..."> устарел ещё в html4
[19:51:39] <shurik> а что полагается вместо?
[19:52:42] <putnik> Zverik, нифига, вполне себе валидным был. Как в html5, не знаю.
[19:52:50] <putnik> shurik, id.
[19:53:29] <shurik> хм
[19:53:39] <shurik> типа #ссылка может указывать на id?
[19:54:21] <putnik> Да, ещё с html4, т. е. почти вечность.
[19:57:23] <Zverik> да, действительно. В html4 name == id, в html5 у тега <a> просто нет атрибута name
http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-html5-diff-20080610/#absent-attributes
[19:58:43] <Zverik> более того, <form name="..." тоже не работает в html5
[19:59:10] <putnik> А вот это уже интереснее.
[20:00:18] <putnik> Надо посмотреть, весь ли код для форм на работе переписан на id. А то рано или поздно уберут поддержку из браузеров.
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[20:05:33] <Zverik> putnik: не, по ходу, я дал ссылку на драфт. В современной версии name у форм не убрали:
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/forms.html#the-form-element
[20:05:40] <Zverik> (жаль)
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[20:07:53] <putnik> Zverik, это довольно сильно убивает обртную совместимость. Хотя, с учётом скорости внедрения, могли бы и убрать.
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[20:50:06] <Zverik> putnik: какая обратная совместимость? если написать doctype html4, то вот и вся совместимость
[21:10:50] <andrewsh> Zverik: мозилле, вроде как, пофиг на то, что именно написано в доктайпе
[21:11:10] <andrewsh> т.е. если доктайп есть, она сразу переходит в режим «распоследнего HTML»
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[21:15:32] <Zverik> фееричный баг
[21:16:26] <andrewsh> почему?
[21:16:38] <andrewsh> стандарты-то обратно совместимые
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[21:20:33] <Mixaill> Zverik: вроде как единственный браузер, который смотрит на доктайпы - IE.
[21:25:47] <andrewsh> Mixaill: нет, не так
[21:26:02] <andrewsh> просто есть как минимум два режима во всех (вроде) браузерах
[21:26:13] <andrewsh> «с доктайпом» и «без доктайпа»
[21:26:37] <andrewsh> первый — более-менее по стандартам, второй — «как принято было»
[21:33:16] <Zverik> andrewsh:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbr8obzzt31qikjlio1_400.png
[21:36:06] <Zverik> писал две новости в штосм, в итоге список черновиков вырос ещё на четыре :I
[21:36:29] <andrewsh> :)
[21:36:44] <andrewsh> Zverik: насчёт фееричных багов
[21:36:47] <andrewsh> http://habrahabr.ru/qa/25799/
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[22:31:52] <putnik> Zverik, как выше уже написали, стандарты для браузеров штука довольно относительная. У них один движок на все доктайпы.
[22:32:54] <putnik> Кстати, не помню, кто там писал про Atlas of Design, но спасибо. Я себе его таки заказал.
[22:44:08] <andrewsh> а вообще, некрасиво обсуждать переписывание OSB, даже не сообщив мне, хотя я вроде имею некоторое отношение к.
[22:44:12] <andrewsh> :C
[22:48:25] <Zverik> andrewsh: так вот, теперь ты знаешь :)
[22:48:52] <Zverik> и я же написал, что переписывать начали два года назад, когда ты ещё пешком под белаз ходил :)
[22:49:28] <andrewsh> Zverik: > Yesterday,
[22:49:47] <Zverik> а, ты про русский форум
[22:49:50] <andrewsh> угу
[22:49:52] <Mixaill> пешком под Белаз можно ходить в любом возрасте при любом росте! :)
[22:49:56] <Zverik> ну у них бывает :) хотя сомневаюсь, что до дела дойдёт
[22:50:04] <andrewsh> как и Working Group Minutes/EWG 2012-10-08
[22:50:19] <Zverik> andrewsh: ты же только интерфейс писал, сервер не трогал
[22:50:29] <andrewsh> у меня были мысли и насчёт сервера
[22:50:40] <andrewsh> я даже брался писать прозрачную замену для него
[22:50:58] <andrewsh> которая автоматически подтягивала бы новые баги из старой базы
[22:51:06] <andrewsh> только в работе погряз
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[22:52:44] <andrewsh> Subject: SETI@home Needs Your Help
[22:52:45] <andrewsh> о как
[22:52:55] <andrewsh> X-Claws-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000494566
[22:52:58] <andrewsh> :)
[22:53:04] <Zverik_> бгг, sim офигенность нашёл (см. твитер штосма или гис-лаба)
[22:53:21] <andrewsh> нет уж, пости сюда
[22:53:30] <Mixaill> ага, только это BA 3(три)
[22:53:44] <Zverik_> BA3 - спонсор конференции в портланде
http://stateofthemap.us (листаем вниз), верно, лучше вкладывать там, а не в странную конфу здесь
[22:55:00] <andrewsh> га, снова чуловечук
[22:55:32] <andrewsh> :)
[22:56:31] <Mixaill> ^)
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[22:56:36] <WatchCat> unnicked103: Привет! Ты кто?..
[22:56:36] <WatchCat`> unnicked103: Привет! Ты кто?..
[22:56:51] <andrewsh> WatchCat`: Привет! Ты кто?..
[22:56:52] <WatchCat`> andrewsh: ээээ?™
[22:56:56] <andrewsh> WatchCat: Привет! Ты кто?..
[22:56:57] <WatchCat> andrewsh: мыр?
[22:57:03] <andrewsh> WatchCat: WatchCat`
[22:57:04] <WatchCat> andrewsh: ээээ?™
[22:57:08] <andrewsh> WatchCat: WatchCat`: ?
[22:57:10] <WatchCat> andrewsh: ээээ?™
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[23:16:18] <Zverik_> интересная мысль (по мотивам дискуссии в talk@, про которую напишу завтра): поднять сервер с тайлами, отстающий от основного на три месяца
[23:16:29] <Zverik_> обновлять ежедневными диффами
[23:17:58] <Zverik_> хотя лет через 8-10 можно будет просто потянуть ползунок "машины времени" и посмотреть на место в любой момент времени из прошлого, с 2004 года
[23:19:17] <iav> тогда уж сразу написать чучу, способную по базе с историей для произвольного квадрата проиграть анимашку со всеми изменениями в квадрате
[23:20:32] <Zverik_> iav: ты перефразировал мою последнюю реплику, только с меньшим размахом
[23:20:53] <iav> скорее, я уточнил метод её реализации
[23:21:08] <Zverik_> эх, была бы база с историей...
[23:21:11] <iav> или, проще, "хранению тайлов - нет!"
[23:21:30] <iav> эээ... а её нет?!
[23:21:52] * iav узнал о мире кое-что нового
[23:23:57] <Zverik_> возможно, даже на рамблере есть
[23:24:32] <Zverik_> в целом да, проблемы две: тайлы слишком медленно рисуются, и нельзя рендерить прямо из api-базы
[23:24:47] <Zverik_> даже как-нибудь по-простому, не обязательно всей мощью мапника
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[23:49:39] <andrewsh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=tardis&_sacat=0&_from=R40
[23:51:35] <andrewsh> хохо:
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Dr-Floating-Tardis-/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/$T2eC16JHJG8E9nyfmJfOBQcK+ZL(Pg~~60_12.JPG
[23:51:43] <andrewsh> вот же делать народу нефиг
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