#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-04-25

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[00:00:28] <xxcodermill> okay here is odd thing
[00:00:36] <xxcodermill> I went to g53 home
[00:00:38] <jdh> I hate that code
[00:00:40] <xxcodermill> its still correct
[00:01:00] <xxcodermill> but g54 home isnt remotely correct
[00:01:12] <xxcodermill> yet when g53 home again its fine
[00:01:32] <jdh> did you touch off in g54 space?
[00:04:11] <xxcodermill> yeah
[00:04:23] <xxcodermill> did it again, realigning with pencil marks
[00:05:06] <jdh> have you cut simpler things with this?
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[00:05:28] <xxcodermill> yeah linuxcnc default lol
[00:05:43] <xxcodermill> so far tiool 1 is air cutting correctly
[00:06:22] <Duc> are you using tool cutter comp?
[00:06:54] <xxcodermill> didnt see d1 and d2 so probbaly not?
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[00:07:11] <xxcodermill> hm location is now inocrrect
[00:07:40] <xxcodermill> scale mnay be wrong
[00:07:54] <Duc> good chance
[00:08:33] <Duc> measure movement with gage blocks
[00:10:27] <xxcodermill> another problem
[00:10:32] <xxcodermill> tool2 is way off
[00:10:38] <xxcodermill> 2 inches to left in X
[00:11:30] <xxcodermill> gonna make custom gcode to repeatively move x back and forth see if it drifts
[00:11:30] <andypugh> Tool table offset?
[00:11:47] <xxcodermill> andypugh: all 0 besides diameters
[00:12:37] <xxcodermill> g54 x0 y0 z0 didnt return it to orginial position
[00:12:49] <xxcodermill> 3 inches to left on y
[00:13:02] <xxcodermill> almost 2 inches towards me in y
[00:13:08] <xxcodermill> lemme try 53
[00:15:26] <xxcodermill> g90 abosuate correct?
[00:16:49] <Duc> yes
[00:19:35] <xxcodermill> weird
[00:19:46] <Duc> still wouldnt change your G53 cord
[00:19:56] <xxcodermill> I opened program byt linuxcnc does not change to it
[00:20:04] <xxcodermill> Duc: never said that?
[00:20:21] <Duc> nope
[00:21:12] <xxcodermill> isnt open file correct way to change program t0o run?
[00:21:39] <jdh> did it throw an error?
[00:22:12] <xxcodermill> no, I left tool set in so it showed prompt made me think it was still same program
[00:22:48] <xxcodermill> its repeatively doing x100 and x-100
[00:23:00] <xxcodermill> then ill try g54 return to home and see
[00:23:45] <enleth> https://gallery.hackerspace.pl/laser-20160425 - laser cutter reassembly and tube replacement half-done here. New tube, new hoses, new wiring, will get a new pump and a proper radiator.
[00:23:52] <enleth> I just hope the tube is not a dud.
[00:24:08] <xxcodermill> t6560 is pretty hot now
[00:24:16] <xxcodermill> expecially 2 regulkators
[00:26:25] <xxcodermill> cool enleth
[00:26:53] <enleth> then the best part - mirror alignment
[00:28:04] <enleth> interestingly, the original tube was labeled 40W but it was 800mm long, as evidenced by the hole by the rear of the tube
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[00:28:19] <enleth> the new one is 700mm long and that's typical for those 40W tubes
[00:28:49] <xxcodermill> odd
[00:29:19] <xxcodermill> well so far its repeating and not creeping anywhere
[00:29:24] <xxcodermill> not in way I can detect anyway
[00:29:47] <xxcodermill> linuxcnc may not support spirl cutting?
[00:31:11] <xxcodermill> man volt regulators need fan too
[00:35:03] <xxcodermill> okay! confirmed scale wrong
[00:35:10] <xxcodermill> moved 10mm or 1 cm
[00:35:15] <xxcodermill> it showed as 7 mm move
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[00:37:24] <xxcodermill> roughly 8 mm heh
[00:37:34] <xxcodermill> not too sure how to adjust
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[00:38:01] <enleth> linear scales?
[00:40:00] <xxcodermill> not mtoo sure yet stepconf says 200 steps per rev
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[00:44:31] <XXCoder> looking up old info see if it is correct
[00:45:23] <XXCoder> 200 stes confirmed
[00:45:33] <XXCoder> *steps
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[00:46:34] <Duc> is there any gear reducatio?
[00:46:40] <XXCoder> it has no gears
[00:46:51] <Duc> straight attached to the shaft?
[00:46:54] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wood-Lathe-3040-Cnc-Router-Milling-Machine-with-43mm-bracket-Mechanical-Kit-Aluminium-Alloy-Frame/32279070195.html
[00:47:22] <XXCoder> trying to figure out ballscrew slope and how many mm in one rotation
[00:47:48] <XXCoder> it must be wrong if movement is just over 2 mm short of full cm
[00:49:02] <XXCoder> SFU1204 ball screws
[00:50:42] <Duc> ball screw should have reduction in them
[00:50:51] <Duc> that is where the math is wrong
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[00:52:32] <Duc> mine are 5 to 1 on the bridgeport
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[00:52:43] <XXCoder> ok
[00:52:44] <Duc> 1 to 5 I mean
[00:53:04] <XXCoder> mines simply steppers coupled to ball screws using anti-backlash couplers
[00:53:42] <Duc> tell the machine to move 10mm and see how far it goes
[00:54:00] <XXCoder> I did
[00:54:04] <XXCoder> I menioned it earlier heh
[00:54:20] <Duc> ah
[00:54:29] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Got pics of your mill?
[00:54:33] <malcom2073> I don't recall having ever seen it
[00:54:44] <XXCoder> I used steel ruler so its not super accurate but its very clearly short by just over 2 mm
[00:54:48] <XXCoder> malcom2073: sec
[00:54:53] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wood-Lathe-3040-Cnc-Router-Milling-Machine-with-43mm-bracket-Mechanical-Kit-Aluminium-Alloy-Frame/32279070195.html
[00:55:05] <Duc> try changing steps to 285
[00:55:17] <XXCoder> I'm sure SFU1204 tells me what slope is
[00:55:25] <XXCoder> but cant find definition anywhere yet
[00:55:46] <XXCoder> ah!
[00:56:01] <XXCoder> 12 mm diameter, 04 "lead"
[00:56:08] <Duc> actually I did the math wrong 140 steps
[00:56:32] <XXCoder> Duc: 200 steps per rotation is correct, steppers is 1.8 degree
[00:56:40] <jdh> 4mm per rev
[00:56:56] <XXCoder> jdh: yeah I think its currently set to 5
[00:57:07] <XXCoder> tht would explain around 2 mm shortage
[00:57:09] <jdh> that would make you off by 20%
[00:57:13] <XXCoder> its missing 2 mm
[00:57:25] <XXCoder> oky lets go back lol
[00:57:44] <XXCoder> at 100 mm it would be short by 10mm
[00:57:49] <XXCoder> er 20mm
[00:58:20] <jdh> you need a dial indicator
[00:58:22] <XXCoder> unfortunately it also means I screwed fusion model
[00:58:34] <Duc> why do you say that
[00:58:35] <jdh> model doesn't care about your machine scale
[00:58:38] <XXCoder> jdh: I do but its at work lol I need to buy cheap one for work
[00:58:55] <XXCoder> Duc: it was already "too large", correction means its even bigger lol
[00:59:18] <XXCoder> I may have input rad of 100mm rather than dim of 100mm or something lol
[00:59:31] <jdh> make a simpler model
[00:59:47] <XXCoder> jdh: it is pretty simple actually just bunch of bores
[00:59:55] <Duc> I wouldnt even touch fusion till the machine is setup correctly
[00:59:56] <jdh> it's hideous gcode
[01:00:04] <XXCoder> its thanks to fusion
[01:00:04] <jdh> write a rectangle by hand
[01:00:31] <XXCoder> jdh: yeah I made back and forth test to see if drift happened. it didnt so there is that.
[01:00:33] <XXCoder> brb
[01:01:07] <xxcodermill> configuring
[01:01:57] <malcom2073> XXCoder: You recommended that router to Polymorphism yet? :P
[01:03:01] <Duc> he still hasnt decided
[01:03:20] <jdh> it's only money
[01:03:51] <jdh> the problem is there is no definitive superior choice due to lack of requirements
[01:04:23] <Duc> yep and tough to know what you need till you try a few or have very defined requirements
[01:05:21] <xxcodermill> malcom2073: he reminds me of that lathe guy
[01:05:29] <xxcodermill> hes reason I made pee macro
[01:05:38] <malcom2073> Don't recall the lathe guy
[01:05:45] <xxcodermill> Duc: yeah I just went for it
[01:05:49] <xxcodermill> work with what I have
[01:05:55] <xxcodermill> and evenual;y build large one
[01:06:05] <xxcodermill> he lived at apartment, and wanted large lathe
[01:06:13] <malcom2073> heh
[01:06:13] <xxcodermill> and kept decision roaming for months
[01:06:17] <Duc> I feel bad since Im going to receive a big one from work
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[01:06:28] <xxcodermill> so I just used /pee macro (it says "pee on it"
[01:06:29] <Duc> no room for it so giving it to a freind
[01:06:39] <xxcodermill> Duc: way to go
[01:06:41] <malcom2073> lol
[01:06:53] <xxcodermill> evenually guy left
[01:07:34] <Duc> let me see if i can find a link
[01:08:28] <Duc> I have no room for the sucker and cant see them throwing it in the trash
[01:09:09] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Techno-CNC-Router-System-Model-LC-3024-Table-29-X-45-Low-Hours-/252362777110?hash=item3ac1fe6216:g:k-gAAOSwkEVXGC6k
[01:09:15] <xxcodermill> bah my workspace is strunking!!
[01:09:18] <Duc> like this one
[01:09:38] <xxcodermill> 5 mm per rot to 4 mm per rot means workspace has to be smaller lol
[01:09:52] <Duc> no
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[01:10:19] <xxcodermill> X went from 450mm to 390mm
[01:10:29] <Duc> but does it move correctly
[01:10:39] <Duc> didnt you measure workspace with a tape measure
[01:10:41] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: i had to use tabs
[01:10:44] <zeeshan|2> for that part
[01:10:55] <Tom_itx> how'd it go?
[01:11:01] <xxcodermill> should be, I am still configuring
[01:11:04] <malcom2073> So I have a Kurt D60. Is there any precident for having a easy-locating plate underneath it so I don't have to realign it every time I move it?
[01:11:39] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/bbuKEok.png
[01:11:41] <zeeshan|2> it worked out okay
[01:11:45] <zeeshan|2> i shoulda made the tabs a bit thicker
[01:11:47] <zeeshan|2> i made them 8 thou
[01:11:52] <zeeshan|2> i think they need to be 15 thou next time
[01:12:01] <zeeshan|2> tabs were in the middle so i could chamfer on both sides
[01:12:49] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: you can always put 2 dowels
[01:12:51] <Tom_itx> did you cut them away with the same cutter?
[01:13:03] <zeeshan|2> yea
[01:13:04] <Tom_itx> or a smaller one
[01:13:06] <zeeshan|2> same
[01:13:17] <zeeshan|2> i didnt cut them away
[01:13:27] <zeeshan|2> i broke them off with my hands
[01:13:35] <Tom_itx> .015 you may not
[01:13:37] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: I guess I could have a plate on the table with holes, and bolt the vise down to a plate with matching dowels?
[01:13:48] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: that is a good solution
[01:14:00] <Duc> we use jergens systems for that stuff
[01:14:03] <zeeshan|2> but if you dont want to thru that hassle
[01:14:08] <Tom_itx> malcom2073, i do htat
[01:14:09] <malcom2073> Maybe I should just get better at indicating and alignming my vise so it doesn't take 10 minutes to do so
[01:14:09] <Tom_itx> that
[01:14:14] <zeeshan|2> just drill directly into your vise
[01:14:17] <zeeshan|2> and locate off your t-slots
[01:14:26] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: it doesnt take that long!
[01:14:27] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: I don't wanna drill into it, it's perfect condition heh
[01:14:38] <Duc> Just get better LOL
[01:14:40] <Tom_itx> perfect is useful
[01:14:50] <xxcodermill> it runs a little bit smoother. weird.
[01:14:51] <zeeshan|2> use the pivot technique if you arent
[01:14:52] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Every time I turn the bolt to tighten a bit more, it moves and I have to smack it again with a wood hammer, then check again, repeat 30 times
[01:14:56] <xxcodermill> okay lets test
[01:15:04] <zeeshan|2> you gotta snug one bolt up
[01:15:06] <zeeshan|2> before hammering
[01:15:20] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: not trying to show off
[01:15:25] <malcom2073> Maybe I'm just not making them tight enough to start with
[01:15:26] <Duc> Not a complete muscle but snug
[01:15:28] <zeeshan|2> but it takes me 3 sweeps to dial it in
[01:15:42] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Nah that's a good metric, maybe I should try starting it way tighter
[01:16:07] <zeeshan|2> ive been reading modern manufacturing engineering books
[01:16:13] <zeeshan|2> and man they look down upon the vise
[01:16:13] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:16:14] <malcom2073> I tried mounting my vice off to the side, that's no good heh. So I center mounted it and decided I'd just move it whne I need to do plates or anything else I need to clamp down direct to the table
[01:16:20] <malcom2073> Really?
[01:16:27] <malcom2073> What do they use, all fixture plates or clamps?
[01:16:27] <zeeshan|2> even 4 double station vises are considered darconian
[01:16:30] <zeeshan|2> yes
[01:16:41] <zeeshan|2> the thing i've gotten from the book is
[01:16:44] <zeeshan|2> there is no perfect solution
[01:16:48] <zeeshan|2> the vise is still the most versatile
[01:16:56] <zeeshan|2> but the slowest
[01:17:07] <Duc> http://www.jergensinc.com/Quick-Change-Fixturing for fixture plates
[01:17:10] <malcom2073> It's like mills. There's no perfect design, different deisgns for different purposes (Knee vs VMC for instance)
[01:17:24] <zeeshan|2> Duc: why the jergens
[01:17:28] <zeeshan|2> and not the zero poit
[01:17:30] <zeeshan|2> point
[01:17:48] <xxcodermill> yeah
[01:17:53] <zeeshan|2> the book says to look at the type of parts you machine
[01:17:54] <xxcodermill> error is undetectable now
[01:17:58] <zeeshan|2> and then start from there
[01:18:05] <zeeshan|2> but almost always the vise is not the right solution
[01:18:07] <Duc> zero point is around $1,000 per puck if I remember right
[01:18:11] <zeeshan|2> Duc: jesus
[01:18:18] <zeeshan|2> it just a ball that moves 3 balls!
[01:18:19] <xxcodermill> awesome. now running gage program
[01:18:32] <Duc> repeats to the tenth
[01:18:36] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/KURT-D60-MILLING-MACHINE-VISE-/111961541604
[01:18:41] <Duc> for high production
[01:18:54] <jdh> isn't that an alighment keyway on the bottom?
[01:18:56] <zeeshan|2> you have that vise malcom2073?!
[01:18:58] <zeeshan|2> yes it is!
[01:18:58] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:19:08] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: yeah, mine doesn't have an oopsie mark though heh
[01:19:26] <zeeshan|2> i actually refaced the top of my vise
[01:19:32] <malcom2073> jdh: Might be on some models? The slot in mine is rough cast, not precise machined
[01:19:40] <zeeshan|2> it came with some 5 thou machined marks
[01:19:42] <zeeshan|2> now its pretty!
[01:19:56] <xxcodermill> nice
[01:20:06] <malcom2073> Nice. I need to paint mine
[01:20:13] <malcom2073> It keeps getting surface rust, and I keep having to wipe it off heh
[01:20:25] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: ive seen a t-nut
[01:20:35] <zeeshan|2> with an internally threaded dowel
[01:20:41] <zeeshan|2> dowel locates off those holes...
[01:20:52] <zeeshan|2> i dunno if i made sense that :P
[01:20:54] <zeeshan|2> that = there
[01:20:56] <malcom2073> Not much :-P
[01:21:19] <Duc> vise should only take 30 seconds to locate
[01:21:26] <zeeshan|2> Duc: lol
[01:21:27] <zeeshan|2> cmon
[01:21:32] <zeeshan|2> thats a lie!
[01:21:32] <malcom2073> Duc: I suck heh
[01:21:43] <zeeshan|2> it takes me 30 mins just to put it on the table
[01:21:46] <zeeshan|2> 30 s
[01:22:05] <malcom2073> I need a rolling cart
[01:22:08] <malcom2073> at the height of my table :-P
[01:22:11] <malcom2073> Damn vise is heavy
[01:22:19] <Duc> trying to find the video where a guy did 5 in 2 mins and all in alignment of each other
[01:23:27] <xxcodermill> yeah gcode isnt good lol
[01:23:33] <xxcodermill> have to remodel
[01:23:41] <jdh> why
[01:23:57] <xxcodermill> jdh: I made incorrect size model in fusion360
[01:24:14] <xxcodermill> so gcode dont make sense. tool 1 is doing fine just "big"
[01:24:15] <jdh> oh. don't do that.
[01:24:19] <xxcodermill> yeah
[01:24:29] <Duc> you tried to correct for the machine error in fusion
[01:24:44] <xxcodermill> its changing to tool 2 that somehow changes g54 location.
[01:25:00] <xxcodermill> Duc: nah scale was wrong on machine too
[01:25:20] <xxcodermill> 5mm/rot was wrong, 4mm/rot is correct as I got exactly (as I can see) 1 cm
[01:25:24] <Duc> scale is set by the config since you dont have encoder feedback
[01:26:51] <xxcodermill> yeah and it is correct now
[01:26:59] <xxcodermill> boy I feel dumb
[01:27:13] <xxcodermill> saince my stock wasnt secured, it was very slowly drifting
[01:27:17] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 is that part part of the same order as the 'bottle opener'?
[01:27:26] <zeeshan|2> yea
[01:27:27] <xxcodermill> lucky I had mark on table this time so i corrected psoiton and its ok
[01:27:33] <Duc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-evpBzsAoA 5 vices in 5 minutes I was wrong on time
[01:27:34] <zeeshan|2> there was a mix of production run
[01:27:36] <zeeshan|2> and custom parts
[01:27:36] <Duc> but its freaking quick
[01:29:17] <xxcodermill> I'm a genius :P
[01:29:51] <xxcodermill> now setting paper up to do mark tests
[01:30:22] <Polymorphism> which one?
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[01:49:46] <xxcodermill> nice
[01:49:56] <xxcodermill> the weird groove nuts worked great
[01:50:05] <xxcodermill> I just secured mdf wood to table
[01:51:37] <Duc> 9but its freaking quick
[01:51:43] <Duc> dam cat
[01:52:11] <Duc> pressing keys on laptop
[02:13:43] <xxcodermill> lol
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[02:58:36] <XXCoder> done for now
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[02:58:51] <XXCoder> made real nice progress on understanding some stuff and fixing some stuff
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[03:54:37] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Rand-0-4-Outside-Micrometer-Set-Carbide-Tips-8-pcs-mics-calipers-case-/401110897633
[03:54:47] <XXCoder> bit tempted but dunno on quality
[03:54:54] <XXCoder> less than 10 bucks each
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[03:55:54] <XXCoder> .0005" is little low quality for mic though
[03:56:00] <XXCoder> I rather have .00005"
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[03:56:46] <XXCoder> btw someone made 3d print mic
[03:56:53] <XXCoder> its accurate to .001"
[03:57:04] <XXCoder> crude compared to normal mic but hey 3d printed.
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[03:58:08] <XXCoder> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160116-3d-printed-micrometer-can-measure-down-to-five-thousandths-of-an-inch.html
[03:59:31] <XXCoder> .005 actually
[04:00:37] <XXCoder> oh hey thats new https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP7harBuc-Q
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[04:06:39] <XXCoder> if curious on size https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EL2FVZFQC4
[04:06:44] <XXCoder> its... bigger than I expected.
[04:12:32] <pink_vampire> hi
[04:13:18] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire did you see the militmeter and caliper 3d printed? lol
[04:13:32] <XXCoder> its bit silly as can be better one at cheap store $15
[04:13:44] <XXCoder> oh yeah pink_vampire
[04:14:02] <pink_vampire> yes, i watch it now
[04:14:02] <XXCoder> I got router working properly, I thought it was 5 mm per rotation but it was really 4
[04:14:06] <XXCoder> so scale was corrected
[04:14:11] <pink_vampire> very impressive
[04:14:19] <XXCoder> for 3d printed object yeah
[04:14:38] <XXCoder> I'll try some engrave project soon
[04:14:45] <XXCoder> can easily clean up after engrave test
[04:15:04] <pink_vampire> I'm working on my anodize setup
[04:15:08] <XXCoder> nice
[04:15:15] <XXCoder> I'll try to do something each weekend now
[04:15:21] <XXCoder> tired of doing shit with router
[04:15:38] <XXCoder> it cost me $1,000 total including tooling so on, time to make stuff!
[04:19:32] <pink_vampire> what cost you 1K$?
[04:19:46] <XXCoder> oh machine framework, controller and motors
[04:19:59] <XXCoder> tooling. and of course useless SBR rails and ball screws.
[04:20:05] <pink_vampire> very cheap
[04:20:09] <XXCoder> I can build another machine using those but...
[04:20:26] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wood-Lathe-3040-Cnc-Router-Milling-Machine-with-43mm-bracket-Mechanical-Kit-Aluminium-Alloy-Frame/32279070195.html
[04:20:30] <XXCoder> frames
[04:20:44] <XXCoder> no idea why they call it lathe too :P
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[04:23:16] <pink_vampire> as long as it work for you and you happy with the parts, It's fine.
[04:23:25] <XXCoder> indeed
[04:23:39] <XXCoder> you got any idea what to do with SBR rails and ball screws? lol
[04:23:56] <XXCoder> once router is working I can make second one out of those. slightly bigger but wood
[04:24:20] <XXCoder> one postive though is that Z is much larger for those SBR/ballscrew kit.
[04:25:33] <XXCoder> or maybe I can abuse some design changes and make Z 2 feet tall lol
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[04:35:06] <CaptHindsight> $38k with all the bells and whistles http://www.videojet.com/us/homepage/products/laser-marking-systems/high-performance-co2-lasers/videojet-3330.html
[04:37:53] <XXCoder> money.
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[04:42:36] <XXCoder> do anyone need 1" to 12" mics? heh
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[04:42:44] <XXCoder> what a big box
[04:42:55] <XXCoder> shop has one
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[04:43:27] <XXCoder> yo CaptHindsight
[04:43:36] <CaptHindsight> waassup?
[04:44:02] <XXCoder> just worked on my machine and tested gcode I made
[04:44:12] <XXCoder> then fixed it some more. was a success basically
[04:44:24] <CaptHindsight> 2 cookies for you!
[04:44:32] <XXCoder> lol
[04:44:56] <XXCoder> man rand brand mics is weird
[04:45:05] <XXCoder> theres always only one on sale a time
[04:45:10] <XXCoder> huh?
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[04:49:58] <XXCoder> hm what is this used for?
[04:49:59] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-2pcs-0-13MM-flat-Micrometer-Head-Measure-Tool-micrometer-head-/161271009041
[04:50:11] <XXCoder> looks like mic check size part alone
[04:52:18] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: did you successly make that probe part?
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[06:25:01] <XXCoder> ohhhh http://www.instructables.com/id/Wood-Gear-Clock-With-Stepper-Motor-Drive/
[06:32:45] <archivist> aaaaarguino...this is a real wooden clock http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-adjusting-the-world-s-largest-wooden-clock-at-the-british-horological-8491639.html
[06:33:09] <XXCoder> indeed.
[06:33:35] <XXCoder> other one is awesome but use stepper and uno
[06:33:37] <XXCoder> dunno
[06:35:19] <archivist> I have seen the one at the BHI in person, each gear tooth is a separate part
[06:36:02] <archivist> makes sure the grain is in the right direction and best wood for each part
[06:36:20] <XXCoder> heh looks cool but I dont think I will make it
[06:37:40] <archivist> bugs me that nobody has put good pictures of it on the net
[06:37:55] <XXCoder> you ever seen millenium clock?
[06:38:08] <XXCoder> it adjusts for tons of stuff and use no electicity
[06:39:36] <archivist> there are hundreds of millenium clocks
[06:39:59] <XXCoder> http://longnow.org/clock/
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[06:40:03] <archivist> I made some parts for one http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=1548&subject=10836
[06:40:07] <XXCoder> its made to run for 10,000 years
[06:40:23] <evil_ren> omg TEN millenium clock
[06:41:18] <XXCoder> heey they finally started on full scale one
[06:42:50] <XXCoder> vimeo SUCK
[06:46:03] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-HNOug1GUs you can see the small version near end
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[06:52:15] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:52:30] <XXCoder> it dont move its clock face unless someone wind that up
[06:52:33] <XXCoder> energy saving
[06:52:41] <XXCoder> 10,000 pound weights geez
[06:53:59] <XXCoder> geez it can literally run for 10,000 without any winding.
[06:54:02] <XXCoder> termal energy
[06:54:16] <XXCoder> that is far better than small model they made
[06:55:12] <XXCoder> " the extra power generated by this difference (beyond what is ordinarily needed to nudge the pendulum) will bleed over into the Clock weights. "
[06:56:46] <XXCoder> geez
[06:56:52] <XXCoder> all the engineering challenges
[06:57:12] <XXCoder> like gear that will not move during our lives would lock up
[06:57:31] <XXCoder> so they used some ceramics
[07:04:11] <archivist> seems they are forgetting the one real reason for clock wear
[07:05:01] <XXCoder> which is?
[07:07:12] <archivist> dirt
[07:07:33] <XXCoder> they said precison needed is in frictions of inches
[07:07:37] <XXCoder> so its very insensive
[07:07:37] <archivist> gets in the bearings, they wear out
[07:08:10] <XXCoder> it actually adjusts itself for correct timing so if it gets wrong it'll fix. strange.
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[07:09:22] <archivist> I have seen some absolutely filthy clocks, the wear is amusing
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[07:10:11] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=worn
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[07:10:33] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:10:51] <XXCoder> archivist: one of old projects I had was making lego grandfther clock
[07:11:06] <XXCoder> no electric, no non-lego besides weights and weight string
[07:12:10] <XXCoder> it failed. couldnt make it last longer than 3 hours
[07:12:16] <XXCoder> then 40 tooth gear exploded
[07:13:06] <archivist> clocks typically have very high gear tooth contact pressure
[07:13:36] <XXCoder> it didnt help that I used somewhat heavy weight
[07:14:07] <XXCoder> there is newer thicker and stronger lego gears but decided not to build it now
[07:14:25] <XXCoder> http://www.ericharshbarger.org/lego/clock.html
[07:14:33] <XXCoder> 'that ispired me to try.
[07:14:44] <XXCoder> hes a genius and olviously I am not lol
[07:15:12] <XXCoder> even then he couldnt go past 13 hours
[07:17:36] <archivist> getting friction down to an acceptable level is not easy
[07:17:52] <XXCoder> expecially when youre limited to lego parts
[07:18:20] <XXCoder> its been 13 years. wonder what happened to that clock.
[07:18:47] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB-U-2LneR8
[07:18:55] <XXCoder> apparently someone else made it
[07:19:38] <XXCoder> its as good as mine though, 3 hours or so :P
[07:21:28] <archivist> some clock nuts over here were testing reliability of bearings for pendulums
[07:22:11] <archivist> bits of crap would make the timing change
[07:23:14] <archivist> best pendulum clocks put it in a vacuum
[07:23:43] <XXCoder> and 10,000 year clocks dont care and adjust itself each day lol
[07:24:16] <archivist> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortt-Synchronome_clock
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[07:24:41] <archivist> that crap is grinding paste
[07:25:07] <XXCoder> the lego one?
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[07:25:40] <XXCoder> wow!
[07:25:50] <XXCoder> vacuum and push each 30 seconds
[07:26:07] <XXCoder> bet thats amazing low error for that type of clock
[07:26:31] <XXCoder> wonder if it can be magnetically levated and impluses done by using magnet
[07:26:39] <XXCoder> making it even better
[07:26:54] <XXCoder> of course we got way better clocks cheap now but yeah lol
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[07:27:53] <Deejay> moin
[07:28:56] <pink_vampire> the panel is in the right place
[07:29:05] <XXCoder> nice
[07:29:14] <XXCoder> did you finish that touch probe?
[07:29:23] <XXCoder> that tiny part
[07:29:24] <pink_vampire> no
[07:29:29] <pink_vampire> I need fibers
[07:29:53] <pink_vampire> also lasers
[07:30:51] <XXCoder> yeah?
[07:30:57] <pink_vampire> yes
[07:31:11] <pink_vampire> or super strong leds
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[07:32:25] <XXCoder> for display?
[07:33:01] <pink_vampire> yes
[07:33:09] <XXCoder> cool
[07:33:23] <XXCoder> nixon displays ;)
[07:33:28] <pink_vampire> noo
[07:33:48] <XXCoder> think got name wrong a sec
[07:34:07] <XXCoder> NIXIE
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[07:34:58] <pink_vampire> yeah.
[07:35:19] <pink_vampire> but I need something tiny
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[07:35:34] <XXCoder> I wonder if theres enough demend to resume production, or in least fake version of it
[07:36:34] <pink_vampire> I think they cool
[07:38:52] <XXCoder> me too though not really my style lol
[07:41:44] <pink_vampire> I need to push a lot of light in to the fiber
[07:42:05] <XXCoder> heh I remember playing with old fiber xmas tree and laser
[07:42:14] <XXCoder> it was pretty awesome
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[07:47:10] <pink_vampire> maybe to drill the led
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[07:50:59] <XXCoder> diode type do have room
[07:50:59] <XXCoder> paint silver around it so light go out there
[07:53:04] <pink_vampire> I'm trying now to drill 0.8mm hole in the led
[07:53:54] <XXCoder> cool
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[08:03:45] <pink_vampire> FAIL
[08:04:01] <pink_vampire> 0 light go to the fiber:(
[08:04:26] <pink_vampire> and I have led with hole :S
[08:05:45] <XXCoder> darn
[08:06:06] <XXCoder> try wrap in foil see if it helps? (not touching leads heh)
[08:06:27] <archivist> need the fibre end close to LED chip
[08:06:58] <pink_vampire> archivist: I drilled the led for that
[08:07:24] <pink_vampire> and I've use a bit of clear nail polish
[08:07:26] <archivist> and look under a microscope, the light does not always come from where you expect on the chip itself
[08:08:17] <archivist> and crappy off centre mounting of the chip in its cup wont help
[08:08:55] <pink_vampire> I have better idea
[08:09:15] <pink_vampire> to use lcd screen
[08:12:42] <pink_vampire> linux cnc can get external clock reference?
[08:13:18] <archivist> the OS has the time
[08:15:47] <pink_vampire> I know
[08:16:11] <pink_vampire> but I want to move it with external clock
[08:16:30] <archivist> move what
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[08:39:18] <evil_ren> archivist: ha, yeah i heard of people going nuts trying to get correct color profiles out of RGB LEDs
[08:40:02] <evil_ren> im guessing its because at diff angles they are getting diff colors because of the individual emitter chips blocking light from the other off axis
[08:41:26] <archivist> we tried using LEDs and light pipes to expose paper in a printer, in the 1980's, all sorts of problems
[08:41:27] <evil_ren> also that shit always messes up light piping
[08:42:35] <evil_ren> it makes sense when you see the shit under a microscope
[08:43:18] <evil_ren> pretty crude, a lot of the multi die china stuff is pretty random placement in the reflector tray
[08:44:09] <evil_ren> heavy diffusion helps a ton if you can afford to lose lots of light =(
[08:44:18] <archivist> the early blue led had the dim glow coming from random blotches of the die as well
[08:44:36] <archivist> and the paper was crap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycolor
[08:44:56] <archivist> that article is short of what it used to be
[08:45:07] <evil_ren> weird
[08:46:10] <archivist> I think I still have a tiny printed example somewhere, developing was crushing between two rollers, 2 tones pressure
[08:48:48] <XXCoder> that wiki is... rarely edited.
[08:48:58] <XXCoder> 2009 top 2015 in very short list
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[09:38:01] <XXCoder> HMM
[09:38:18] <XXCoder> is there a model online for making wood clamps?
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[10:11:24] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: what do you mean by "wood clamps?
[10:11:45] <XXCoder> clamps made from wood
[10:12:04] <XXCoder> type that are strip =with groove for bolt
[10:12:22] <pink_vampire> pics?
[10:12:28] <XXCoder> looking
[10:12:46] <malcom2073> http://www.justclamps.com/Graphics/08_images/wooden_hand_clamp.jpg
[10:12:47] <malcom2073> Those?
[10:12:50] <XXCoder> https://dzevsq2emy08i.cloudfront.net/paperclip/technology_image_uploaded_images/24723/default/wood_clamping_system.jpg?1389372294
[10:13:20] <XXCoder> well looks like I can design one. dont look very complex.
[10:13:23] <malcom2073> That seems... unsafe
[10:14:05] <XXCoder> it is if youre cutting say steel
[10:14:09] <XXCoder> for wood whatever
[10:15:25] <archivist> make it out of steel then you can clamp wood/plastic/whatever
[10:15:36] <XXCoder> yeah nothing to cut steel with
[10:15:54] <archivist> hacksaw pillar drill
[10:16:01] <XXCoder> my machine is very low profile (2.7 inches) that most normal clamps will not fit
[10:19:05] <archivist> a regular bolt hole pattern on the bed can be useful for mounting
[10:19:49] <XXCoder> archivist: mine has grooves for t nut
[10:19:53] <XXCoder> so it works :)
[10:20:07] <archivist> same difference
[10:20:39] <XXCoder> so I can attach stuff but I also want "fingers" to hold stock for some methods of cutting
[10:21:14] <archivist> just get flat and drill a few holes, and use packing
[10:21:35] <XXCoder> packing?
[10:22:27] <archivist> some random lump the thickness of the work to be held
[10:23:22] <XXCoder> penis clamps https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:776
[10:24:38] <XXCoder> it looks easy to make AND cheap
[10:24:43] <XXCoder> not bad
[10:24:56] <XXCoder> though I probably will make it bit less penis shaped
[10:27:10] <XXCoder> simple metal design http://www.veloxcnc.com/images/VELOX_CLAMPS_RED_CNC_ROUTER-%2811%29.jpg
[10:28:07] <archivist> second one has poor leverage
[10:28:50] <XXCoder> other poc shows it attached other way for higher parts or more leverage but yeah
[10:30:31] <XXCoder> yeah will start making "penis" type tomorrow or something
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[10:31:55] <XXCoder> http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1UUjTHVXXXXcjXFXXq6xXFXXXa/80mm-CNC-font-b-Router-b-font-clamp-font-b-plate-b-font-for-T-slot.jpg
[10:31:59] <XXCoder> that looks easy to make
[10:32:20] <XXCoder> just go lowes grab steel bar, make slot, tap one hole (gonna learn how to do that)
[10:34:17] <archivist> does not have to be a slot, a few holes is ok
[10:34:26] <XXCoder> indeed
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[11:18:33] <pink_vampire> I have a problem with the drain cleaner etch before the anodize
[11:20:00] <pink_vampire> the solution start as greenish color, and even the container get stain by that
[11:20:12] <pink_vampire> this is normal??
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[11:42:24] <jthornton> how can I name each install of a multi boot
[11:44:02] <jthornton> I have 3 installs of linuxmint 17.3 and want to test different things on each
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[11:49:00] <skunkworks> zlog
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[12:09:04] <witnit> jthornton: I assume you have grub? see this page https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/342
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[12:15:01] <jthornton> thanks
[12:15:09] <jthornton> that is what I'm looking for
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[12:43:52] <jthornton> or so I thought lol if you open the file it says "DO NOT EDIT..." and sure enough it gets reset back to what it was when grub updates
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[13:13:24] <MrSunshine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMd9zad290M oh yeah! =)
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[13:53:35] <witnit> ah, sorry Jt I suppose that was the old way, maybe it has enough keywords to get you on track though?
[14:04:10] <mase-tech> HI people
[14:04:43] <JT-Shop> witnit: I found the grub customizer and that is perfect
[14:05:46] <JT-Shop> http://askubuntu.com/questions/532238/how-do-i-customize-the-grub-2-menu
[14:10:20] <skunkworks> end of an era.. http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20160424_132326.jpg
[14:10:30] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20160424_132240.jpg
[14:16:30] <archivist> shakespeare 400th Alas, poor Yasnac! I knew him, Horatio: a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: he hath borne me on his back a thousand times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! my gorge rims at it. Here hung those lips that I have kissed I know not how oft.
[14:17:18] <JT-Shop> I still have all the stuff from the Hardinge conversion somewhere
[14:22:59] <skunkworks> heh
[14:23:09] <cradek> skunkworks: those connectors are familiar
[14:23:39] <skunkworks> I bet
[14:24:29] <skunkworks> Drives too http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20160423_155606.jpg
[14:29:01] <skunkworks> Those drives are pretty nice concidering that they are early 80's vintage.
[14:30:25] <skunkworks> the drives let us know the tach's were wired backwards ;)
[14:30:36] <skunkworks> (after a small run-away)
[14:32:07] <pink_vampire> skunksleep: cover the pcbs
[14:32:58] <skunkworks> pink_vampire, that is what the huge door on the electrical cabinet is for..
[14:33:12] <pink_vampire> no!
[14:33:22] <pink_vampire> big big no
[14:33:24] <pink_vampire> NO
[14:33:28] <skunkworks> heh - ok
[14:34:28] <pink_vampire> if any wire get disconnected and it touch your pcb the pcb will get killed.
[14:34:57] <pink_vampire> but.. as you wish..
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[14:35:04] <pink_vampire> it's not my panel.
[14:35:30] <skunkworks> it is actually how it came from the matsuura factory ;)
[14:35:51] <pink_vampire> ok.. go with them
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[15:04:02] <mase-tech> DIY 5 axis CNC Mill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCLz12cZbU4
[15:04:23] <mase-tech> THe world have some gifted people
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[15:08:12] <mase-tech> This is so wau
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[15:10:06] <Laurenceb_> hi, has anyone here experimented with EDM?
[15:11:59] <_methods> sure
[15:12:13] <_methods> there are several people in here with linuxcnc controlled edm's
[15:12:19] <_methods> i believe wire and sinkers
[15:12:30] <Laurenceb_> interesting, using feedback from the EDM controller for feed rate?
[15:12:44] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ElectricalDischargeMachining
[15:12:54] <_methods> there's even a wiki page for it
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[15:13:15] <mase-tech> Does anybody know a cheap mill
[15:13:25] <mase-tech> which could be converted in a cnc
[15:14:41] <Laurenceb_> _methods: thanks, looks like a discussion of all the issues I had in mind :P
[15:14:44] <_methods> i think the sieg x2 is probably one of the cheaper mills that is fairly easy to convert
[15:14:50] <SpeedEvil> In general, cheap, new, reliable, robust, accurate, pick two.
[15:14:50] <_methods> Laurenceb_: np
[15:15:43] <mase-tech> _methods: In the video I posted a x2 was also converted in a cnc maschine
[15:16:09] <_methods> yeah i have an x2 i converted
[15:16:17] <_methods> was fairly simple
[15:16:31] <mase-tech> how many axis do u use
[15:16:35] <_methods> i'm going to convert one of those small grizzly horizontals next
[15:16:38] <_methods> i'm just using 3 axis
[15:16:42] <mase-tech> nice
[15:17:11] <mase-tech> look above in the video there is a 5 axis converted cnc
[15:17:16] <mase-tech> he uses x2 too
[15:17:20] <Laurenceb_> _methods: so does the HAL support a feedrate input?
[15:17:22] <_methods> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mini-Horizontal-Vertical-Mill/G0727
[15:17:27] <mase-tech> would match for you I think
[15:17:28] <_methods> i'm going to do that next i believe
[15:17:52] <mase-tech> you are american ?
[15:17:58] <_methods> yep
[15:18:16] <mase-tech> I cannt find the x2 in ebay and amazon
[15:18:23] <_methods> i think the horizontal should be more solid than the x2
[15:18:35] <mase-tech> y looks very solid
[15:18:57] <mase-tech> are u machining for living or hobby
[15:19:04] <_methods> i'm a machinist by trade
[15:19:31] <_methods> i'm the shop IT guy, cnc programmer, draftsman hehe
[15:19:59] <_methods> small shop
[15:20:02] <_methods> have to wear many hats
[15:20:06] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: AIUI, HAL can do more or less everything
[15:20:28] <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Rigid_Tapping - also
[15:20:31] <mase-tech> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Milling-Machines/Model-Super-X2-Plus-Mill/SIEG-Super-X2P-HiTorque-Mill/SIEG-Super-X2P-HiTorque-Mill-Belt-Drive-with-Brushless-Motor
[15:20:36] <mase-tech> 675 punds
[15:21:05] <mase-tech> 870 Euros
[15:21:07] <mase-tech> :(
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[15:21:17] <_methods> no way its 675 lbs
[15:21:18] <SpeedEvil> mase-tech: What are you hoping to do?
[15:21:26] <_methods> more like 100 lbs at most
[15:21:35] <mase-tech> Aim is to earn money :D
[15:21:37] <_methods> ohhhhh
[15:21:40] <_methods> money lbs
[15:21:42] <mase-tech> I am student
[15:21:48] <SpeedEvil> mase-tech: that will be sharply limited in capability
[15:21:55] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: ah I see its labviewesque
[15:22:06] <archivist> get an industrial mating to earn money
[15:22:15] <archivist> machine
[15:22:17] <Laurenceb_> industrial mating
[15:22:23] <Laurenceb_> so like a brothel?
[15:22:29] <SpeedEvil> AIUI, but I've never touched labview
[15:22:44] <Laurenceb_> you are lucky then
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[15:23:03] <archivist> eating a sammich and tyoping at the same time
[15:23:56] <mase-tech> I don t understand. What is a sammich
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[15:24:49] <mase-tech> I wanted to say that I am limited in money
[15:25:03] <mase-tech> I cannt spend 2000 Euro into a godd cnc machine
[15:25:08] <Laurenceb_> ah http://emc-users.narkive.com/EIzYDeBq/realtime-feedrate-variation-based-on-analog-sensor
[15:25:15] <Laurenceb_> this answers my question
[15:25:25] <archivist> second hand industrial can be a similar price to junk chinese
[15:25:32] <Laurenceb_> so I guess periodic back off would just be done by modifying the G code
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[15:30:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.videojet.com/us/homepage/products/laser-marking-systems/high-performance-co2-lasers/videojet-3330.html they want ~$33K for this plus $6k fro 2 days of safety training
[15:30:56] <CaptHindsight> 30W co2 laser marker with some proprietary control interface
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[15:37:05] <archivist> some profit margin :)
[15:38:02] <CaptHindsight> yeah. I knew they marked things up but that was a surprise
[15:40:34] <skunkworks__> https://youtu.be/YwJLJxoKuM8
[15:40:54] <CaptHindsight> "Laser Source Expected Life 45,000 hours " heh, I wonder if that is in the warranty or just the fantasy specs
[15:41:12] <CaptHindsight> like bandwidth up to 100mb/sec
[15:42:24] <SpeedEvil> That is 250 gigabytes of text
[15:42:49] <CaptHindsight> 800lbs of general data
[15:43:25] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: 46K hours is about the avg life of a CO2 laser tube.
[15:43:54] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: when properly rated
[15:44:02] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: That's NOT operational hours, that's how long it'll last on the shelf and/or in use.
[15:44:37] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Basically it's a "BEST BY" date
[15:46:30] <CaptHindsight> they don't let you take it apart until after you buy it
[15:47:54] <CaptHindsight> no way to know how well they made it
[15:48:15] <CaptHindsight> have to read the warranty fine print to see what you really get
[15:55:35] <archivist> skunkworks, just started to make my 5 axis more trunnion like, dunno if I shall carry on hand coding
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[16:04:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I never heard fo the company before, but sounds like they are competition to http://www.coherent.com/
[16:05:49] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: Coherent has been making laser for many years. Videojet has been making marking systems for years, but mainly known for inkjet
[16:06:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Well, never heard of videojet before =)
[16:07:14] <CaptHindsight> videojet also sells $1k work of inkjet hardware for $30K
[16:07:34] <pcw_home> Videojet dates from the 70's
[16:08:14] <CaptHindsight> or mounts a $300 dispensing valve on a 3 axis router ($2K) for $50K
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[16:08:49] <CaptHindsight> yeah mostly CIJ, continuous inkjet
[16:11:50] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: The production package marking (inkjet) I've seen are messy and a pita. But, eh, whatever. Not something I'd ever consider. I'd find a cheap CO2 and galvo
[16:12:13] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I was just pointing out the markup
[16:12:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: =)
[16:12:43] <CaptHindsight> I was just asked by a customer if I could build a system if they gave me that laser
[16:13:32] <CaptHindsight> I said sure, but I'd only be using the tube and power supply that we could get elsewhere for well under $2k
[16:13:50] <Jymmm> not the galvo?
[16:14:05] <Jymmm> nor optics?
[16:14:53] <CaptHindsight> the galvo is controlled bu videojets proprietary controller
[16:15:12] <Jymmm> They say "PC" too, did you get the protocol?
[16:15:44] <Jymmm> besides, if it's just a glavo, couldn't be that difficult.
[16:16:16] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: If you find a *AIR COOLED* 30W CO2 for under $2000, PLEASE let me know!!!
[16:16:26] <CaptHindsight> why pay $30k for their tube, power supply and galvo and then cannibalize it, lose the warranty
[16:16:36] <CaptHindsight> etc etc
[16:17:01] <Jymmm> No need to cannibalize it in the least.
[16:17:03] <CaptHindsight> water cooled is fine
[16:17:47] <Jymmm> 30W water cooled starts to get big
[16:18:42] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: But I am serious. If you find an air cooled for under $2K let me know.
[16:19:04] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Also, if you come across galvo "modules", I'm interested in links you find.
[16:19:25] <CaptHindsight> it's on the Google
[16:19:31] <Jymmm> Yeah... not.
[16:20:15] <CaptHindsight> if the water jacket is left off the tube, air cooling is easy
[16:20:19] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: realistic stuff, not $60K for 1W lasers
[16:20:52] <CaptHindsight> not sure what you are looking for
[16:21:07] <CaptHindsight> or what you understand it to be
[16:22:41] <Jymmm> Uh.... see above?
[16:23:51] <Jymmm> MY Laser is a air cooled 30W CO2. That's JSUT the laser, not any mechanics/optics/PS/controller/etc
[16:24:44] <Jymmm> So when you said above less then $30K, or "Under $2k" Im interested
[16:26:19] <Jymmm> Hell, even under $4K might be acceptable
[16:27:27] <enleth> d/win 36
[16:27:29] <enleth> damn
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[16:48:37] <maxcnc> hi
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[17:09:18] <Polymorphism> almost lost my pigeon, phew
[17:09:44] * Polymorphism continues research
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[17:11:52] <jdh> just buy something
[17:12:20] <archivist> not going to happen in a month of sundays
[17:12:45] <Polymorphism> I'm looking at shapeoko 3 again
[17:12:59] <Polymorphism> nearly 1/3 the cost of the xzero machine and if it does what I need
[17:13:05] <Polymorphism> I could always get something else later after learning
[17:13:13] <Polymorphism> assuming it will work for my current needs, they said it would
[17:13:16] <Polymorphism> except for, oddly, the pcb
[17:13:21] <Polymorphism> they said they dont recommend it for that
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[17:14:32] <archivist> if something cannot do pcb then I question quality front panel engraving
[17:15:18] <maxcnc> ah the undicided havend made a dicicion
[17:15:28] <maxcnc> i sold now 3 of his mashines
[17:15:33] <maxcnc> within 14days
[17:15:51] <Polymorphism> I'm much closer to a decision
[17:15:58] <maxcnc> Thanks for the hint on the 100100
[17:16:22] <Polymorphism> no prob
[17:16:29] <maxcnc> you woudt have a real good cheep mashine running if you grap a drill and make it yourself
[17:18:22] <Polymorphism> I may end up doing some of that if I get raptor
[17:18:48] <Polymorphism> the biggest concern I have with raptor is sourcing my own wire and harnesses and building or buying an enclosure to put the VFD, drivers, PSU, etc into
[17:19:37] <Polymorphism> with clean copnnectors for motors spindle etc
[17:20:17] <Polymorphism> and the total cost associated with finishing the machine as it comes with frame motors drivers psu spindle mount ballscrews rails etc and no spindle and nothing wired up
[17:25:18] <maxcnc> cheeper better parts and the konwHow of what the mashie is able to do is nothing compare to China Work
[17:26:04] <maxcnc> you got all infos and even more from the pros so you are a real undicided with money
[17:26:30] <Polymorphism> this is a dificult decision
[17:26:33] <Polymorphism> you make a good point for sure
[17:27:42] <maxcnc> there are now 1000 DIY build worldwide every day from noobs with less info then you got
[17:28:06] <maxcnc> from LEGO to whatever you imagin
[17:28:36] <maxcnc> sets like wantai are cheep and powerfull for 1000lbs mashines
[17:28:43] <maxcnc> under 300USD
[17:29:11] <pink_vampire> black anodize with rit = yellow
[17:29:20] <maxcnc> ready made driving tread blocks TR or BS
[17:29:44] <maxcnc> and rails of all sizes all needs and all costs
[17:30:11] <jdh> it's a trivial decision
[17:31:10] <maxcnc> Hard wood in every small town across the world even Ndidah today 52Deg C got a Carpenter in town
[17:31:27] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, bad dye?
[17:31:39] <maxcnc> jdh: not on him as he got a Budget and a idee and a dream
[17:32:00] <maxcnc> here we got only a dream no budget
[17:32:21] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: is a rit black dye
[17:32:24] <maxcnc> most of us got a budget and a idee and dream of better ones
[17:32:50] <jdh> the choice matters less than the effort
[17:33:22] <maxcnc> i made last jear about 100+ diys and every one is not the best as you runn the G-code
[17:33:37] <maxcnc> test files proof there is always better things
[17:34:07] <maxcnc> gear vs speed vs precicion
[17:34:28] <maxcnc> tilting on gantry over 1,5m
[17:34:49] <maxcnc> cable length to plasmas over 2,5m
[17:35:09] <maxcnc> the frame watertight
[17:35:22] <maxcnc> or leaking on delivery
[17:35:49] <maxcnc> plasmas that burst the power of the coustomer
[17:36:04] <maxcnc> storrys to tell
[17:36:23] <Polymorphism> I need something with no power bursting or gantry tilt etc
[17:36:30] <maxcnc> all over make a decicion go for it and live with it
[17:36:34] <Polymorphism> true
[17:36:40] <Polymorphism> that is what I must do
[17:37:02] <maxcnc> you shure wil be not happy with all
[17:37:26] <Polymorphism> if I get raptor I'll be happy
[17:37:28] <maxcnc> noicy drivers can kill your health
[17:37:28] <Polymorphism> but broke
[17:37:31] <Polymorphism> xD
[17:38:02] <maxcnc> ballscrews and wood dust is sometimes a nightmare
[17:38:23] <maxcnc> frame cover against DIY decine
[17:38:30] <maxcnc> desine
[17:38:58] <maxcnc> spellig?
[17:39:32] <maxcnc> design
[17:39:34] <maxcnc> ;-)
[17:39:53] <Polymorphism> =D
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[17:39:59] <Polymorphism> wood dust...
[17:40:11] <Polymorphism> I'll be building a dust shoe and cyclonic separation system
[17:40:22] <Polymorphism> maybew it works for chips?
[17:40:41] <Polymorphism> I wont even have chips... I'll have dust with my shallow DoC and 2mm thick al
[17:40:43] <maxcnc> spindle with rot ofsets so mashie vibration will let the mashine walk on mounting table or the table itself
[17:40:58] <Polymorphism> spindle runout?
[17:41:04] <Polymorphism> chinese spindle is supposed to be "ok"
[17:41:28] <Polymorphism> less than .005mm claimed
[17:41:42] <Polymorphism> I would be usingf that spindle with either raptor or omio cnc
[17:41:58] <Polymorphism> maybe thats why they said shapeoko3 isnt advised for pcb
[17:42:06] <Polymorphism> because the router///dremel spindle would be higher runout
[17:42:15] <Polymorphism> with chinese LC spindle maybe its fine
[17:42:25] <Polymorphism> still added cost, then it costs same as 6040
[17:42:44] <Polymorphism> truth be told I will probably get raptor mini or x6-2200l
[17:42:51] <Polymorphism> if shapeoko3 wont work
[17:43:19] <Polymorphism> so much to consider....
[17:43:26] <Polymorphism> the ultimate decision of a lifetime
[17:44:03] <Polymorphism> I'm a perfectionist with the budget of a pauper
[17:44:10] <Polymorphism> this is part of the issue
[17:46:34] <Polymorphism> I have some intense research to do, I'll be back a bit later
[17:48:34] <CaptHindsight> is this some weird social experiment?
[17:49:29] <pink_vampire> LOL OMG!!
[17:49:48] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: good one!
[17:50:05] <_methods> the cereal aisle at the grocery store must make that moron have seizures
[17:51:00] <Polymorphism> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/commercial-cnc-wood-routers/285078-cnc.html
[17:51:03] <Polymorphism> some work done by mini raptor
[17:51:06] <Polymorphism> looks nice to my untrained eye
[17:54:03] <Polymorphism> I talked to that guy and he says raptor might even be more than I need though. Hence the consideration oncemore of the shapeoko3
[17:54:10] <Polymorphism> bbl for real, have to run for a bit
[17:54:57] <CaptHindsight> _methods: have you seen a Raisin Bran that doesn't put sugar on the raisins?
[17:55:25] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: don't go
[17:55:31] <_methods> lol
[17:55:56] <_methods> CaptHindsight: nope but i will do some research
[17:56:01] <_methods> i'll make some spreadsheets
[17:56:20] <_methods> and waffle about like a 98 y/o woman
[17:56:33] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: please tell me more, you can't leave like that.
[17:56:36] <CaptHindsight> is there an IRC channel that might be more appropriate for this discussion?
[17:56:42] <_methods> should i wear diapers today or not
[17:56:51] <_methods> so hard to decide
[17:56:52] <maxcnc> Gn8
[17:56:52] <CaptHindsight> ##cereals ?
[17:56:57] <_methods> lol
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[17:57:09] <_methods> ##diapers
[17:57:48] <_methods> what is this like week 5 of this now?
[17:57:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/oops-i-crapped-my-pants/n11128
[17:58:48] <_methods> poopoo
[17:59:02] <CaptHindsight> ##cantdecide
[17:59:14] <_methods> ##decision2016
[17:59:19] <_methods> or more like
[17:59:26] <_methods> ##decision2017?
[17:59:58] <CaptHindsight> it's beyond the absurd
[18:02:36] <_methods> meh i just put the /ignore on him
[18:03:01] <_methods> but you can still tell when the moron is posting in here by how stupid the conversation gets
[18:03:27] <CaptHindsight> I cleared mine, figured it must be over by now
[18:03:38] <_methods> hahah
[18:03:46] <_methods> it would appear it is still happening
[18:08:12] <CaptHindsight> Can't Decide, the reality series......
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[18:08:54] <CaptHindsight> a camera team follows them around as they go through their days shopping at the mall
[18:09:03] <_methods> lol
[18:09:18] <_methods> like hoarders but in reverse?
[18:09:21] <_methods> they never buy anything
[18:09:39] <CaptHindsight> like Gilligans Island except they never buy anything
[18:09:55] <CaptHindsight> just when you think they are, nope
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[19:56:53] <mase-tech> Hey Peps :)
[19:56:58] <mase-tech> I am back
[19:57:18] * evil_ren suspicious
[19:57:55] <mase-tech> Why whats up :)
[19:58:21] <evil_ren> u :) too much
[19:58:56] <mase-tech> Why am I suspicious
[19:59:04] <mase-tech> Hmm nvm
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[20:00:07] <mase-tech> do you know this cnc
[20:00:22] <mase-tech> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[20:00:57] <mase-tech> I narrowed my descion for cnc
[20:01:19] <mase-tech> The most I want is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCLz12cZbU4
[20:01:51] <mase-tech> but I think I will kill my budget
[20:02:19] <mase-tech> so I must decide between http://www.ebay.de/itm/like/CNC-ROUTER-GRAVIRMASCHINE-3040T-3-ACHSEN-FRASGERAT-PRINTER-CUTTER-BARGAIN-SALE/272202061393?hlpht=true&ops=true&viphx=1&_trksid=p2050601.c100103.m2451&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150422114059%26meid%3Db0d4f9ea413b4ddb945b738d5a17d5f0%26pid%3D100103%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D121826366502%26clkid%3D4967537883093358030&_qi=RTM2266093
[20:02:26] <mase-tech> 600 Euro
[20:02:38] <mase-tech> or http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[20:02:59] <mase-tech> which is much cheaper but I think the resultes will bwe much worse
[20:03:29] <XXCoder> I can see router twisting
[20:04:12] <mase-tech> I see it coming to something will go wrong
[20:04:21] <mase-tech> which is very probaly
[20:04:27] <mase-tech> so trail and error
[20:05:48] <XXCoder> chinese one you will have problems with bearings, clean em out and stuff and should be fine
[20:06:02] <mase-tech> I cannot spend more
[20:06:07] <mase-tech> thats the problem
[20:06:20] <mase-tech> 700 Euro is max
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[20:07:38] <mase-tech> XXCoder: I read some things about 3040T. They have improved it
[20:08:24] <XXCoder> cool
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[20:08:39] <XXCoder> aliexpress sometimes has cheaper routers btw
[20:08:47] <XXCoder> just check feedbacks of sellers and stuff
[20:09:30] <jdh> and factor shipping
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[20:10:47] <XXCoder> indeed
[20:11:00] <mase-tech> They have a store in germany
[20:11:09] <mase-tech> no shipping cost
[20:11:12] <XXCoder> lucky ya
[20:11:15] <XXCoder> I paid
[20:11:19] <XXCoder> $200 shipping lol
[20:12:08] <Jymmm> sometimes cheaper on ebay/amazon, even from the SAME seller.
[20:12:39] <mase-tech> can u show me your cnc machines
[20:13:06] <Jymmm> Sure, $19.95 for showing and processing =)
[20:13:14] <_methods> heheh
[20:13:17] <mase-tech> ha
[20:13:34] <mase-tech> I will build a 5 axis cnc friend
[20:13:40] <mase-tech> I promise
[20:14:56] <mase-tech> simply like he did
[20:14:57] <mase-tech> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCLz12cZbU4
[20:20:25] <CaptHindsight> whats a 3040 ballscrew, couplings, motors and drives kit cost?
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[20:21:03] <XXCoder> mase-tech: nice video
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[20:22:07] <mase-tech> Yes the video is inspiring
[20:22:11] <mase-tech> at least for me
[20:22:40] <mase-tech> A new mill cost 900 EUro
[20:22:42] <XXCoder> looks like hardest paet is cam as usual lol
[20:22:49] <Loetmichel> soo, got that kitchen sink drain a bit nicer than saturday... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16265&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 ... MUUUCH better than the impromptu i made when i realized that i forgot to get some 40mm pipe after the hardware stores had closed two days ago... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16262&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 ;-)
[20:22:50] <mase-tech> which I already told is to much for me
[20:23:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2xSBR16-400-450-500mm-RM1605-450-500-550mm-ballscrew-BK-BF12-CNC-Kits-/262054564636 ~$400 with shipping
[20:23:43] <mase-tech> XXCoder: The man in the video converted a X2 mill
[20:23:55] <mase-tech> so I looked for x2 Mill
[20:24:09] <mase-tech> In german a new x2 costs 900euro
[20:24:09] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: that is actyally decent
[20:25:04] <Loetmichel> ... and the cuts from that 0,2mm stainless steel "foil" sink are already healing... ;-)
[20:25:31] <CaptHindsight> + stepper and driver kit and 1 sheet of plywood, 1 can resin, 1 bucket granite flakes
[20:26:28] <XXCoder> apparently fusion 360 can do 5 axis cam
[20:26:45] <XXCoder> and its limited scope free
[20:27:08] <mase-tech> 4xnema 23 270OZ+TB6560+powersupply 170 Euro
[20:28:14] <CaptHindsight> $400 + $125 for 3 motors and drives + +$20 plywood+ $40 resin + +$30 granite
[20:28:41] <mase-tech> motor = nema 23 ?
[20:28:44] <CaptHindsight> = ~ $615
[20:28:47] <XXCoder> mase-tech: so your goal is 5 axis
[20:29:03] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: thats not too bad, since his limit is 650 euro
[20:29:03] <mase-tech> 5 axis is end of the road
[20:29:10] <mase-tech> lets make small steps
[20:30:09] <XXCoder> I want to make 4 axis myself, just lathe type attachment to my router lol
[20:31:19] <mase-tech> CaptHindsight: Can u show the 3 motors
[20:33:45] <CaptHindsight> something like these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Axis-1-5-3A-Stepper-Driver-Cnc-Kit-Nema23-24Vpsu-For-Mill-Router-175-Oz-In-/351708412496
[20:35:16] <mase-tech> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Top-Selling-4Axis-Nema-23-Stepper-Motor-287oz-in-Driver-board-TB6560-CNC-Kit-/200582250308?hash=item2eb3a23f44:g:-R0AAOxyaTxRIzDK
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[20:39:46] <andypugh> Darn it! I have decided I need an O-ring. So can’t get the lathe saddle fitted.
[20:40:33] <andypugh> Which is a bit frustrating as it is likely to take days to get one.
[20:42:41] <pink_vampire> andypugh: what do you mean?
[20:44:11] <andypugh> Well, the new apron I made for my lathe is (finally) finished, or so I thought. Then I realised that I need an O-ring seal on the servo motor mount, and can’t get the assembly any further without it.
[20:45:42] <andypugh> Everything below the saddle (the part with the allen key on it) is all-new. And most of it was made by me. (excet the encoders anf the oil sight glass).
[20:45:45] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6277252547523150274
[20:46:00] <andypugh> I have been at it for _months_
[20:47:27] <andypugh> The oval cover is meant to contain oil for the drive chain, I need the O-ring to stop that oil falling out round the servo motor.
[20:49:18] <mase-tech> andypugh: nice andy
[20:49:43] <mase-tech> your google +
[20:50:11] <mase-tech> what did u paid for the lathe
[20:50:44] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Any insight on HOW the 110/220 switch works here? http://www.ebay.com/itm/DuroMax-XP4400EH-Hybrid-Portable-Dual-Fuel-Propane-Gas-Camping-RV-Generator-/400783291524
[20:51:14] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I called the factory and the tech wans't all that helpful
[20:52:59] <andypugh> mase-tech: £1100
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[21:06:24] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I don't see a switch. It probably generates 220 with a center tap for 110
[21:09:46] <mase-tech> peps good night
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[21:26:15] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Left of the "main breaker"... http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/aLMAAOSwKtlWlE4t/s-l1600.jpg
[21:26:33] <FloppyDisk> andypugh - looks great. Nice dials on the sliding axis (not sure of real name). Looks like mesa cards for pendant input.
[21:26:56] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: As I've been told it's 220@15A -OR- 110@30A
[21:27:08] <Jymmm> Well specifically 33.3A
[21:32:24] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:35:01] <Jymmm> Ya know, =>20A 11/220 mains (in the USA) connectors just drive me nuts!
[21:35:12] <Jymmm> 110/220*
[21:36:12] <Jymmm> Compare these two 4-prong... http://www.powerfittools.com/images/products/product_pages/adaptor_20_30.jpg -AND- http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/aLMAAOSwKtlWlE4t/s-l1600.jpg
[21:37:26] <Jymmm> On one, the tab faces inward, on the other the tab faces outward?! That is *SO* easily overlooked in the store when you're just trying to find the right cable/cord/connector out of a bunch of bins
[21:39:12] <Jymmm> and that 110V@20A outlet... I have one that has the sideways spade on the left, and another one on the right =(
[21:39:27] <Jymmm> both of them female too.
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[21:46:48] <Jymmm> This, I get... http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/271182878246-0-1/s-l1000.jpg But who thought this was a great idea for such a heavy cord is beyond me... http://www.rokuang.com/Upload/PicFiles/20126141638164792.jpg
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[23:13:57] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV3qK8JJa-c
[23:14:09] <_methods> heh who says you can't use carbide in a little lathe
[23:14:18] <_methods> my poor little lathe
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[23:20:20] <Valen> that doesn't look like a little lathe
[23:21:29] <_methods> it's tiny
[23:21:33] <_methods> atlas th42
[23:23:11] <Valen> heh looked 3x the size in the video
[23:23:18] <_methods> yeah they're small
[23:23:21] <_methods> only 10x42
[23:23:24] <Valen> still the motor might be tiny but the bed is beefy
[23:23:32] <_methods> but that was 4140 .100" off the diameter
[23:23:58] <zeeshan> worlds slowest cut?!?
[23:23:59] <zeeshan> :D
[23:36:02] <andypugh> Has anyone ever said you can’t use carbide on a little lathe?
[23:38:40] <zeeshan> nope
[23:38:42] <zeeshan> only people who dont machine
[23:38:43] <zeeshan> :P
[23:39:38] <andypugh> Now, I will admit that you can’t machine carbide on a little lathe. Or most big ones, for that matter. :-)
[23:42:09] <zeeshan> man
[23:42:15] <zeeshan> the high speed machining vid i made
[23:42:20] <zeeshan> came out so dark and jittery :(
[23:42:27] * zeeshan is annoyed
[23:43:10] <_methods> yeah most of those little lathe guys say don't use carbide
[23:43:33] <SpeedEvil> HSS can generally be gotten sharper
[23:43:42] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: back that up
[23:43:59] <SpeedEvil> ^perhaps I should add 'without much skill'
[23:44:01] <zeeshan> last time i checked, my carbide 3 flute end mills are
[23:44:10] <zeeshan> 0.0002" cutting edge radius
[23:44:53] <zeeshan> the edge will break pretty easily on steel though, which is why i think for steel they are 0.0007"
[23:45:34] <zeeshan> which just means you need to at least take a 0.0007" ipt cut otherwise you're not cutting
[23:45:39] <zeeshan> (assuming no chip thinning etc)
[23:45:47] <zeeshan> most machiens can do that no prob :P
[23:46:57] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoAgAy7RBGU
[23:47:02] <zeeshan> ^ sorry for bad video
[23:47:06] <zeeshan> but thats how you rough!!
[23:47:43] <malcom2073> zeeshan: I got my machine up to 20ipm cutting
[23:47:51] <zeeshan> nice
[23:47:52] <zeeshan> what matl
[23:47:56] <malcom2073> aluminum of course heh
[23:48:00] <zeeshan> hehe
[23:48:05] <malcom2073> Spindle at 2800 with a 5/32 endmill
[23:48:06] <zeeshan> im cutting at ~150 ipm there
[23:48:12] <zeeshan> .1875 doc
[23:48:18] <malcom2073> Yeah my linuxcnc limits me to 45, too much jitter
[23:48:26] <zeeshan> i forgot the woc i think .05
[23:48:34] <zeeshan> oh
[23:50:04] <zeeshan> malcom2073: no mesa hardware?
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[23:54:32] <Laurenceb> hi all, I have a general question about EDM
[23:54:49] <Laurenceb> does a larger tool take longer to machine the part
[23:55:15] <Laurenceb> I'm just thinking, if you can only strike one arc at a time its going to take proportionally longer?
[23:56:43] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Nope