#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-04-24

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[00:02:24] <andypugh> witnit: Which era of castings? What is curvy?
[00:02:35] <witnit> the colchester triumph
[00:03:02] <andypugh> Ah, the one I have is properly old
[00:04:22] <witnit> many new designs on machines are rather sharp and cubic, it seems the older ones had more charactor
[00:06:05] <andypugh> Mine is one of these: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/colchester-triumph-questions-288867/
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[00:08:15] <witnit> This will be a good project for you, people wouldnt suspect it was the same machine when you are done
[00:08:24] <andypugh> 340rpm top speed is a _bit_ limiting, as is the cross-slde with an 8tpi leadsrew and only 10 graduations on a 1/5” diameter thimble. You need to clamp a DTI to the saddle to make things to a size
[00:08:45] <andypugh> I am probably going to give that one away when my dad dies.
[00:09:01] <andypugh> It’s in his workshop (which he can no longer use)
[00:09:39] <andypugh> I have the Rivett for pretty, and the Holbrook for making stuff.
[00:09:45] <witnit> It might be an extremely good gift for the right person
[00:10:26] <andypugh> I have in mind a friend who restores WW1 trucks.
[00:17:12] <witnit> http://www.lathes.co.uk/krause/ this might be a really nice idea for people with limited space in their shop
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[00:21:55] <enleth> damn, another day, another batch of 1 ton and heavier lathes on auctions and nothing small
[00:25:03] <andypugh> This looks like an interesting thing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Labormill-Lathe-Anthony-H-Croucher-LTD-REDUCED-STARTING-PRICE-/172173596490?nma=true&si=KwulmQE9GOUAokJXVsGWo2ZRHeY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
[00:25:30] <andypugh> It was one of these: http://www.lathes.co.uk/labormil/
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[00:26:44] <andypugh> witnit: lathes.co.uk has a whole section on combination machines http://www.lathes.co.uk
[00:27:24] <witnit> there is just soo much to learn there
[00:27:32] <andypugh> The Adcock and Shipley ones were very nice: http://www.lathes.co.uk/adcock&shipleycombination/index.html
[00:27:52] <andypugh> witnit: I have read every page of that site. It took months.
[00:28:04] <witnit> I bet the guy who put that website together is just loaded with info
[00:28:13] <witnit> not surprised
[00:28:20] <witnit> nice dedication though
[00:29:05] <enleth> andypugh: looks like a bastard child of a horizontal knee mill and a slant bed lathe
[00:29:53] <enleth> being able to run the saddle right under the tailstock must be nice, though
[00:30:00] <witnit> enleth: the way you typed that made it sound like you were talking about andypugh not the lathe haha
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[00:30:17] <witnit> well, when I read it the first time :)
[00:31:11] <andypugh> I will have you know I am the _legitimate_ child of a horizontal knee mill and a slant-bed lathe ;-)
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[00:32:17] <enleth> looking at the photos of different working configurations on lathes.co.uk, I can see I wasn't far off at all
[00:32:33] <witnit> and I thought interacial couples and the lgbt community had it rough
[00:32:38] <witnit> poor andypugh
[00:32:43] <enleth> I even wanted to add "raised by a surface grinder"
[00:32:46] <enleth> that would be spot on
[00:35:06] <andypugh> Anyway, time to log off.
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[01:03:34] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what MB did you go with?
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[01:25:25] <XXCoder> Not-Renny: hey
[01:25:57] <XXCoder> gcode can use different extensions, though not too sure what yours use
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[01:26:09] <XXCoder> I had exported to linuxcnc post-processor
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[01:32:51] <XXCoder> VIS any good? http://www.ebay.com/itm/VIS-0-4-Micrometer-Set/371603908042
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[01:38:44] <witnit> I never used any before
[01:39:29] <witnit> I always thought micrometers should have a pressure needle on them, so you know how hard you are setting them onto the part
[01:39:48] <XXCoder> friction is execellent for that
[01:39:52] <XXCoder> so are racuet
[01:40:03] <witnit> yeah but everone is different
[01:40:19] <XXCoder> man strange that few people inject religion into everything
[01:40:25] <XXCoder> anyway
[01:40:35] <XXCoder> yeah but then range may be small enough that it dont matter
[01:41:00] <XXCoder> bah metric is usually cheaper but uselsss for me lol
[01:41:08] <XXCoder> I like metric but work is inch
[01:42:07] <XXCoder> witnit: what I do is avoid "slamming" part
[01:42:15] <XXCoder> more accurate result that way
[01:42:25] <XXCoder> if I slam, I reverse and gentle land
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[02:17:10] <Duc_main> poke
[02:17:54] <XXCoder> ow my eye/1!1!@!
[02:28:46] <Not-Renny> Hey! XXCoder!
[02:28:54] <XXCoder> yo
[02:29:34] <Duc_main> lol
[02:29:47] <Duc_main> can be blind and deaf. that would be really cruel
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[02:29:51] <Duc_main> cant
[02:30:22] <XXCoder> Duc_main: I meta few
[02:30:24] <XXCoder> *met
[02:30:53] <Duc_main> how do they interact
[02:30:58] <XXCoder> they usually need assistance but works fine
[02:31:05] <XXCoder> hand feel sign fingerspelling
[02:31:22] <Duc_main> be really rough to live that way and frustrating
[02:31:31] <Renny> You pinged me earlier, XXCoder?
[02:31:50] <XXCoder> yeah you menioned something with gcode file?
[02:32:59] <Renny> Yeah, do I copypasta, or can I get it in .nt from the link you have me?
[02:33:31] <XXCoder> yeah just copy paste
[02:33:36] <XXCoder> then carefully test
[02:33:47] <XXCoder> though I have newer nc file if you want
[02:33:49] <XXCoder> its safer one
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[02:34:38] <XXCoder> Renny: http://dpaste.com/22X9G80
[02:34:54] <XXCoder> its in metric btw
[02:35:28] <Renny> K, thanks. I didn't know about what the metric and the imperial stuff does to the mill and borked a bit x.x
[02:35:48] <XXCoder> ow heh
[02:36:02] <XXCoder> gcode needs 100 width long and 20 height
[02:36:10] <XXCoder> if used inch that would be.. huge. lol
[02:36:16] <XXCoder> in mm its only few inches wide
[02:36:19] <Renny> Luckily I still have like 500,000 bits left :P
[02:36:40] <Renny> How much Y, XXCoder?
[02:36:56] <XXCoder> it total 4 inches wide and long
[02:37:11] <XXCoder> in metric 100 x 100mm
[02:37:29] <XXCoder> the XYZ is located on bottom center
[02:37:37] <XXCoder> hold on let me confirm
[02:38:00] <XXCoder> nope, its located at center, top of stock
[02:40:34] <Duc_main> it may be time to make a knee adapter for the mill
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[03:10:28] <Tom_itx> mmm all sorts of JT's around
[03:12:22] <Duc_main> way to many
[03:12:48] <XXCoder> CULL!!
[03:13:04] <Duc_main> cage fight for the right of the name
[03:15:56] <trentster> Howdy all, can anyone recommend a mini ITX computer or motherboard to use with a mesa card (5i25) - my goal is to build a lowish cost reliable, small footprint LinuxCNC computer
[03:17:32] <Tom_itx> a J1900 flavor
[03:17:47] <Tom_itx> i have an asrock one
[03:18:27] <trentster> Tom_itx: thanks, ill google it
[03:19:20] <Tom_itx> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157497&cm_re=asrock_itx-_-13-157-497-_-Product
[03:19:50] <Tom_itx> wait, that one is pcie
[03:20:35] <Tom_itx> i don
[03:20:48] <Tom_itx> i don't think you're gonna find a pci in itx format
[03:20:51] <Tom_itx> mabye i'm wrong
[03:21:15] <trentster> hmm, I am not sure, I think I recall mesa having both types of card interfaces available
[03:21:31] <Tom_itx> maybe a 6i25...
[03:21:38] <Tom_itx> that's pcie i think
[03:26:36] <Ralith> mesa does have pci express cards, yes
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[03:31:23] <trentster> Tom_itx: Ralith: thanks - looks like a combo of that asrock board plus a 6i25 would be a winning combination
[03:31:42] <trentster> I wonder what motherboard / mesa combination the Tormach folks use for pathpilot
[03:32:02] <Tom_itx> 5i25 but dunno what MB
[03:32:14] <Tom_itx> with a proprietary daughter card iirc
[03:33:52] <trentster> whats the daughter card used for? expansion?
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[04:17:50] <witnit> trentster: what build are you doing?
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[05:08:07] <zeeshan|2> zzzz
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[05:22:35] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: good morning!
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[05:27:53] <GlenR> Hi, just wondering is it possible to setup PID based closed loop control on the spindle with a single pulse per rev encoder (just a hall effect and magnet at this stage)
[05:28:27] <GlenR> Ive got it to read into the pyvcp module and display the rpm correctly
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[05:44:07] <GlenR> ive tried to add http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Closed_Loop_Spindle_Speed_Control and http://7xcnc.com/hardware/encoder/ to hal but neither let axis start. Neither directly cut and copied in or corrected to add the appropriate pins to the encoder.
[05:44:32] <GlenR> also I'm only using phase a as its just a hall effect, no index pulse. not sure if that has anything to do with it
[05:44:37] <GlenR> thanks if anyone can help :)
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[05:45:58] <unfy> constructive day, but none of it CNC related ._.
[05:47:51] <archivist> GlenR, single pulse can be used for screw cutting but not sensible really
[05:48:29] <archivist> GlenR, what/why ?
[05:48:47] <GlenR> Thats okay, i dont want to do rigid tapping or anything, its just the motor controller is massively non linear, and can only scale it to be accurate between maybe 500rpm
[05:48:57] <GlenR> on a 6000rpm spindle
[05:49:16] <GlenR> its on a milling machine btw, forgot to mention that
[05:52:17] <archivist> it should be a yes but may take a bit of tuning
[05:53:44] <archivist> there is even a wiki page http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Closed_Loop_Spindle_Speed_Control
[05:55:40] <GlenR> thanks, if i add that section to hal it gives an error in axis, want me to post the error?
[05:56:24] <archivist> read error diagnose fix :)
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[05:59:34] * archivist imagines two drivers to a net or a tyop or a something not connected
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[06:02:51] <trentster> witnit: busy prototyping some polymer concrete builds and looking for good electronics solution to bundle with it
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[06:07:45] <GlenR> hopefully something simple :) tricky to copy paste the file so here's a photo if that's okay lol.
[06:07:59] <GlenR> http://s849.photobucket.com/user/glenscads/media/IMG_20160424_155946_zps7bsjdcdg.jpg.html
[06:09:51] <archivist> fotofukkit gives a white screen after a nanosecond of the image in some browsers
[06:10:21] <XXCoder> https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/glenscads/IMG_20160424_155946_zps7bsjdcdg.jpg
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[06:10:30] <XXCoder> direct link might work
[06:12:19] <GlenR> Error: could not insert module /usr/realtime-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae/modules/linuxcnc/encoder.ko: file exists
[06:12:54] <GlenR> ./TM25V_Spindle.hal:125: exit value:1
[06:13:24] <GlenR> ./TM25V_spindle.hal:125: insmod for encoder failed, returned -1
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[06:14:20] <archivist> you see in that line you are doing it a second time
[06:16:14] <archivist> XXCoder, nope
[06:16:24] <XXCoder> oh well
[06:16:48] <GlenR> hmm, might be trying to load encoder.ko twice? ill have a look
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[06:18:38] <archivist> GlenR, when you load a module you put the number to be used rather than load it more times
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[06:32:59] <GlenR> okay, im super inexperienced with hal in general, had a futz around and just results in more errors for everything i adjust so theres some fundamental issue here i think
[06:33:02] <GlenR> ill just post the entire hal
[06:37:14] <GlenR2> http://pastebin.com/dxjdgVEw
[06:40:47] <Valen> so you are loading encoder on line 9 and doing it again on 125
[06:41:35] <Valen> encoder 0 is giving you the speed, is thats what your pyvcp is hanging off?
[06:42:31] <GlenR> probably. i imagine all the initial encoder such is from the stepconf
[06:42:53] <GlenR> pyvcp is again from stepconf so probably as well
[06:43:05] <archivist> as I said change the number of instances on the first load loadrt encoder num_chan=1
[06:43:36] <Valen> archivist does he need to do that? I think he is getting the encoder stuff already for the spindle around line 50
[06:43:51] <archivist> then use encoder0 and encoder 1
[06:43:52] <Valen> I think he just needs to hook the PID to that
[06:45:02] <Valen> otherwise he is just duplicating the encoder, though I guess there's no real harm in it
[06:45:47] <GlenR> so change loadrt encoder num_chan=1 to loadrt encoder num_chan=0 or everything from line 9-14 to 0?
[06:45:59] <archivist> no to 2
[06:46:13] <GlenR2> okay
[06:46:33] <Valen> then comment out 125
[06:46:53] <Valen> and change 128 encoder.0 to encoder.1
[06:46:58] <archivist> it is the number of encoder you want, can if already using the spindle encoder for speed display also ise it to input to the pid
[06:47:23] <Valen> yeah thats what I was saying before, he has the spindle RPM already turning up in pyvcp
[06:47:38] <Valen> I think just comment out 125 to 129
[06:48:08] <Valen> and probably the pwmgen on 140 to 145 because you already have a PWM output running
[06:48:11] <archivist> multiple input connections to one output is ok
[06:49:16] <Valen> yeah I think if you just comment those out then the PID should attach to your existing PWM and encoder stuffs?
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[06:57:34] <Deejay> moin
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[07:17:12] <witnit> goood morning !
[07:18:06] <witnit> trentster: do you know what size motors and what kind of feedback you will be using with them?
[07:21:08] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bridgeport-cnc-retrofit-/301932309291
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[07:22:10] <XXCoder> archivist: pretty cheap if know how repair
[07:23:26] <trentster> witnit: will either be using nema 23 570oz steppers or Teknic clearpaths
[07:23:59] <trentster> leaning towards the teknic stuff as this is essentially a mill and will have very high precision
[07:24:37] <archivist> XXCoder, repair! no need, finish the retrofit
[07:24:56] <XXCoder> yeah I made that comment before I read it fully
[07:25:00] <XXCoder> quite a deal allright
[07:25:19] <archivist> not far away from me, no cash though
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[07:36:36] <witnit> trentster: there may be much more affordable options for motors, encoders, amps etc, if you decide to go the mesa route
[07:37:21] <witnit> it seems rather flexible depending on which daughter cards you choose
[07:37:22] <XXCoder> archivist: its annoying how often lack of cash blocks fun
[07:41:04] <trentster> witnit: what would you recommend as a cost effective alternative to clearpath that is closed loop?
[07:41:22] <XXCoder> strange issue with fusion 3d
[07:41:28] <XXCoder> pocket does not clear out inside
[07:41:33] <XXCoder> it just makes rings
[07:41:44] <XXCoder> leaving uncut stock in middle
[07:47:17] <witnit> trentster: almost any servo motor + amp accepting , with any encoder, + appropiate mesa cards and a pc to close the loop
[07:48:23] <XXCoder> random thought - use phone vibration motors to make tiny cnc
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[07:53:01] <witnit> trentster: how precise does this machine need to be?
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[08:08:14] <trentster> witnit: aiming for .008mm (I am metric)
[08:10:08] <XXCoder> how tall are you trentster
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[08:18:25] <XXCoder> heh
[08:18:50] <witnit> the closer your encoder is to your work motion the more accurately you can know its position
[08:20:17] <witnit> if your encoder is on your motor already it will only accurately know where the motor is
[08:46:57] <trentster> XXCoder: my shoe size is in microns :P
[08:47:06] <XXCoder> lol
[08:48:03] <trentster> witnit: so integrated clearpath would potentially be better than a closed loop servo system?
[08:52:00] <archivist> er wot!
[08:52:41] <archivist> are you making assumptions or valid reasoned arguments from evidence
[08:55:56] <archivist> do you realise that with linuxcnc really in the loop one motor slowing down will be seen by linuxcnc, that clearpath thing it outside the loop
[08:57:38] <trentster> archivist: is that aimed at me, I was the one asking questions: its witnit contention that closer is better not mine
[08:58:04] <archivist> yes at you
[08:59:02] <XXCoder> I'm bit puzzled on closer is better myself
[08:59:21] <XXCoder> isnt entire screw rotate so anywhere on it is theorically same position?
[08:59:40] <archivist> no, the leadscrew is a spring
[09:00:32] <XXCoder> isnt anti backlash couplers cancel that
[09:00:36] <archivist> no
[09:01:45] <archivist> think torsion and along the length
[09:01:57] <trentster> archivist: in future read the channel back log before chastising someone - my statement had a question mark at the end it was in reply to " witnit " in regard to his statement about proximity
[09:02:04] <archivist> and any other machine spring
[09:02:34] <archivist> well aware of the backlog
[09:03:20] <XXCoder> archivist: yeah I do know that any stressed rotation would add torque and spring a little, but I though that was function of anti-backlash couplers that stop that'
[09:03:48] <archivist> no they stop backlash only
[09:03:52] <witnit> trentster: if you have a linear encoder directly on your axis then you know where the actual work table is. if the encoder is built into the motor, then you only know where the motor is, you never really know where your work is. no the clearpath system is not any better or worse than other systems. it just depends on your situation
[09:06:15] <trentster> thanks witnit - that makes a lot of sense :-)
[09:06:21] <XXCoder> archivist: okay I may have definition of backlash wrong
[09:06:32] <archivist> it seems to expect stepdir, does it even have encoder feedback
[09:06:48] <XXCoder> could you outline physical actions of backlash and how coupler stops if youre bored
[09:07:15] <archivist> backlash is play/lost motion on a system
[09:07:15] <witnit> yeah they look like a solution to people trying to ween themselves off of stepper motors
[09:07:37] <XXCoder> ability to move without changing other positons
[09:07:49] <XXCoder> or move that didnt result in change of positon
[09:07:53] <archivist> so no feedback to linuxcnc and therefore worse than a servo system
[09:07:59] <witnit> ^
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[09:08:51] <archivist> XXCoder, its the rattle on the handles in a manual system where the bed does not move
[09:09:38] <XXCoder> so there is nothing to prevent "spring" or torque
[09:09:53] <archivist> little
[09:10:00] <witnit> yeah there are ways
[09:10:13] <witnit> depends on what you are driving your motion with
[09:10:22] <archivist> depends on drive chain, some use linear motors on the axis
[09:11:18] <archivist> older machines were clever with springs and gravity
[09:11:42] <witnit> if its a screw driven slide for example, you can use a counterweight which is heavier than your cutting force and a probe style encoder if you are in a pinch for accuracy
[09:12:14] <witnit> springs are great option, reliable and fast
[09:12:40] <witnit> gravity does have terminal velocity I suppose when using counterweights
[09:13:14] <XXCoder> wit yeah one old haas machines has very low z limit
[09:13:30] <XXCoder> because if it goes too fast its counterweight bounces and Z location becomes unknown
[09:13:38] <witnit> ha
[09:13:41] <XXCoder> *speed limit
[09:13:43] <witnit> silly things
[09:13:47] <XXCoder> yeah
[09:13:53] <XXCoder> it can do x and y much faster
[09:15:40] <witnit> I have issues with my cnc cam lathe, If I bring the cam back around to 0 at full rapid the cam roller arm doesnt keep up and the turret just kind falls back to home, then slams into the cam at the end
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[09:17:32] <witnit> trentster: imagine having two of those motors hooked up to linuxcnc, how does linuxcnc know where the motors are?
[09:18:21] <witnit> do they have an encoder output option?
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[09:20:57] <XXCoder> I wonder how good it would be working if BOTH ends had steppers
[09:21:12] <trentster> witnit: yeah I get it, if there is no feedback mechanism to Linuxcnc and its handled on the motor itself then LinuxCNC is essentially blind to the position and assumes the motor is where it should be
[09:21:39] <archivist> so that accuracy you are looking for is thrown away
[09:23:39] <trentster> witnit: so what would you suggest in the equivalent price range that is a proper closed loop system, something like the leadshine closed loop steppers?
[09:24:26] <MattyMatt> you can add an encoder to a normal stepper, so linuxcnc can see a lost step
[09:25:41] <MattyMatt> that'll work the same as a closed loop stepper, but need cpu attention
[09:26:59] <XXCoder> encoder at both ends heh
[09:27:02] <XXCoder> honestly dunno
[09:38:08] <XXCoder> I HATE HATE HATE websites that do not allow me to backtrack
[09:50:27] <MattyMatt> alt-H ftw
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[10:22:31] <Valen> archivist, got glen going ;->
[10:22:48] <Valen> He is a friend who lives about 15 minutes away from me ;->
[10:23:07] <Valen> thanks for the help, pointed me in the right direction
[10:23:14] <archivist> I saw him drop off IRC and wondered :)
[10:23:16] <Valen> Also I really need to read the manual on hal lol
[10:23:22] <archivist> :)
[10:23:33] <Valen> I've been encouraging him to come in here for ages lol
[10:23:52] <Valen> anyhow, dinner time ;->
[10:25:40] <XXCoder> sketched gage holder again
[10:25:50] <XXCoder> only pure fusion 360 this time lol
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[10:57:08] <witnit> trentster: I assume you are intending on using 110 single phase for a power source, I am also assuming you will have a minimum of two axis, and you want accuracy over speed and torque. This means you will be probably be buying a controller which can use encoder inputs. IF you use a stepper system with encoders for feedback you are still restricted by the resolution of the stepper motor multiplied by your gear ratio.
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[11:06:29] <pink_vampire> I was just finished to cut the side of the panel
[11:06:37] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[11:07:03] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[11:07:22] <XXCoder> okay I'm confused
[11:07:44] <XXCoder> 2d pocket and bore does not work the way i expect in fusion360
[11:07:47] <pink_vampire> why
[11:07:57] <pink_vampire> hsm
[11:09:37] <pink_vampire> what are you tying to do?
[11:10:04] <XXCoder> create blind holes using endmill
[11:10:04] <witnit> Since you are most likely using 110 single phase and want an affordable solution, there are single phase ac brushless options and brush dc options. Some drives such as the aerotech ba20 can drive either brush or brushless and are fairly common on ebay. I think I picked up a pair of them for $35 used. Add encoders and a controller, you have a closed loop system which is constantly adapting to the load, and is checking for error at all times.
[11:11:03] <pink_vampire> I can make you the gcode in hsm
[11:11:28] <XXCoder> sure but I'm challenging myself
[11:13:19] <pink_vampire> you just need to want it enough
[11:15:55] * Loetmichel2 cut himself up pretty bad yesterday mounting that kitchen sink. They make that of stainless steel FOIL these days. 0.2mm thick, and edges from punching out like a razor... still bleeding thru that bandaid on the finger. After 14 hours :-(
[11:16:41] <pink_vampire> pics!!!
[11:16:53] <witnit> someone is getting hungry
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[11:17:08] <Loetmichel2> of the bleeding finger or the kitchen?
[11:17:13] <Loetmichel2> kitchen is already "done"
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[11:17:30] <Loetmichel2> just have to get a bit of sink tube on monday
[11:17:32] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/YRMsCys.png
[11:17:33] <witnit> im betting the finger, cause vampires
[11:17:51] <Loetmichel2> because i forgot that... had to temporarily fix it with gaffa tape...
[11:18:08] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: cut it using cnc?
[11:18:15] <pink_vampire> dremel
[11:18:40] <archivist> witnit, he is in AU so probably 220/240v
[11:18:44] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/X2wHDBy.png
[11:19:34] <XXCoder> very nice
[11:20:10] <pink_vampire> thanks <3
[11:20:44] <pink_vampire> i want to make anodize to the parts
[11:20:56] <witnit> fingernail polish
[11:21:13] <pink_vampire> nooo
[11:21:15] <witnit> jhahahjaj
[11:22:20] <pink_vampire> but i want to get green cabinet nail polish for fixing some defects at the paint
[11:22:35] <XXCoder> flaws give it charactor ;)
[11:24:01] <pink_vampire> i was today at the metal yard and got more material
[11:24:21] <pink_vampire> and few graphite electrodes
[11:33:23] <XXCoder> cool
[11:33:39] <XXCoder> I'm more likely to go to my work shop to scavenge wood
[11:33:45] <XXCoder> and sometimes plastics.
[11:33:56] <XXCoder> my new gage holder is made from scavenged scrap from work
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[11:41:16] <XXCoder> camotics is one very strange bug
[11:41:44] <XXCoder> *has
[11:41:52] <XXCoder> it defaults to running gcode backwards
[11:46:22] <pink_vampire> I can't understand what type of alloy is the aluminum from lowes
[11:46:54] <XXCoder> assume its shittest alloy possible
[11:49:54] <pink_vampire> it's super soft, and gummy
[11:50:08] <XXCoder> sounds like nearly pure Al
[11:50:22] <XXCoder> heard that is pretty soft
[11:51:24] <pink_vampire> mmm
[11:52:33] <pink_vampire> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy-cnc-router-table-machines/132299-aluminum-lowes.html
[11:52:37] <pink_vampire> 5052?
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[11:56:29] <XXCoder> wish i know more about materials
[11:57:25] <toastyde1th> most aluminum everywhere is 6061-T6
[11:57:37] <toastyde1th> ...which is soft and gummy
[11:57:46] <pink_vampire> it's too soft for 6061
[11:58:07] <toastyde1th> strange
[11:58:12] <toastyde1th> it could be a 20xx alloy
[11:58:25] <pink_vampire> 2024 it's hard
[11:59:16] <pink_vampire> i have here a lot 2024 and it's much harder then the lowes
[12:00:34] <toastyde1th> 20xx is not just 2024
[12:01:33] <toastyde1th> it's Cu, versus 60xx's Mg+Si
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[12:02:09] <pink_vampire> I need it as electrode for the anodize
[12:02:33] <pink_vampire> and i want to avoid the copper
[12:02:53] <toastyde1th> how much do you need?
[12:03:18] <toastyde1th> if you don't mind some elbow grease, cutting up soda cans is a good way to get relatively pure aluminum
[12:03:25] <toastyde1th> into strips/whatever
[12:04:42] <pink_vampire> i will try to anodize it
[12:08:04] <Loetmichel2> hmmm
[12:08:34] <Loetmichel2> over here in germany the local metal dealer sells by the alloy, not by the alloy number
[12:08:47] <Loetmichel2> so i buy AlMg3 all the time
[12:09:02] <XXCoder> well the resulting gcode passes the "smell test" heh
[12:09:02] <Loetmichel2> AlMg1 is BAAAD for milling as its much too gummy
[12:09:12] <toastyde1th> alloy number is pretty important because there's tons of variation in every class
[12:09:29] <XXCoder> Loetmichel2: Mg magiem whatever?
[12:09:40] <Loetmichel2> Magnesium
[12:09:43] <XXCoder> ok
[12:09:49] <Loetmichel2> 3% vs. 1%
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[12:10:09] <Loetmichel2> they also have Al99.9
[12:10:15] <Loetmichel2> THATS bad stuff
[12:10:34] <XXCoder> yea nearly pure alum
[12:10:38] <Loetmichel2> gummy as hell
[12:10:54] <XXCoder> how do machinists handle that gummy metal
[12:11:00] <Loetmichel2> it basically flows around your mill bit instead of getting chipped
[12:11:07] <Loetmichel2> feels like pure lead ;)
[12:11:37] <Loetmichel2> XXCoder: loads of cooling fluid
[12:11:42] <Loetmichel2> and SHARP tools
[12:11:58] <Loetmichel2> RAZOR sharp
[12:12:11] <XXCoder> metal is weird when we get a close look
[12:14:09] <Loetmichel2> Tell me about it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRuSYQ5Npek <- thats steel
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[12:14:35] <XXCoder> yeah heh love that video
[12:14:45] <XXCoder> sure looks like clay.
[12:14:51] <XXCoder> physical proof is burrs
[12:15:10] <XXCoder> I still wonder how video was taken
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[12:18:28] <XXCoder> Loetmichel2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg
[12:18:38] <XXCoder> sure looks like water umpact eh
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[12:20:52] <XXCoder> heh what a strange effects
[12:24:14] <XXCoder> jeez thems nasty bullets.
[12:25:05] <Polymorphism> thats one of my favorite videos
[12:25:31] <XXCoder> Polymorphism: its pretty how liquid-like bullets are.
[12:27:44] <XXCoder> nyway laters
[12:27:53] <Polymorphism> ttyl
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[12:30:03] <pink_vampire> http://wedo.hillmangroup.com/viewitems/metal-shapes/aluminum-angle
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[12:36:44] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-CNC-Router-Engraver-Milling-Machine-Engraving-Drilling-3-Axis-3040-Desktop-/141894139599
[12:36:55] <Polymorphism> with this machine or the 6040 size the z clearance is about 70mm
[12:37:09] <Polymorphism> if my box I want to machine the top of is 40mm high, will that work?
[12:37:16] <Polymorphism> do I need to add the length of the tool to the height of the box
[12:37:24] <Polymorphism> to see if it will clear for machining
[12:38:03] <Polymorphism> ie, 10mm tool + 40mm box = 50mm total clearance needed, 70 available so I would be ok
[12:38:06] <Polymorphism> or do I not even need to add the tool
[12:38:27] <Polymorphism> and does the travel change as I move the spindle up to clear a part
[12:38:34] <Polymorphism> or is it the same amount of travel in a different location
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[12:39:49] <pink_vampire> get cheap 300$ cnc machine
[12:40:11] <pink_vampire> learn on it how to operate a cnc machine
[12:40:23] <pink_vampire> then get something better
[12:40:27] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism:
[12:40:44] <Polymorphism> I'm ok with that, if it will work for my current project
[12:40:53] <Polymorphism> didnt see anything for 300 though
[12:40:58] <Polymorphism> looks like about 600 is cheapest
[12:41:33] <Polymorphism> but the dc spindle looks shitty, maybe worth a bit more for 6040 w/ 800w LC
[12:42:16] <Polymorphism> 3040 with nice spindle etc you end up getting to the same price as larger 6040
[12:42:16] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Router-3040-800W-spindle-cnc-engraver-engraving-DRILLING-MILLING-mahcine-/221167773851?hash=item337ea0689b:g:DA0AAOSwbqpTvpAM
[12:45:26] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-PCB-CNC-3-Axis-Milling-Engraving-Machine-300W-2020B-DIY-CNC-Wood-Carving-PVC-/361491362189?hash=item542a90718d:g:Sm4AAOSwzgRWwpK~
[12:46:20] <pink_vampire> http://www.instructables.com/id/Easy-to-Build-Desk-Top-3-Axis-CNC-Milling-Machine/
[12:47:10] <pink_vampire> http://www.instructables.com/id/Easy-to-Build-Desk-Top-3-Axis-CNC-Milling-Machine/
[12:47:22] <pink_vampire> oops
[12:47:31] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzli11WJeo4
[12:47:42] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism:
[12:48:38] <Polymorphism> thats pretty cool =D
[12:49:27] <MattyMatt> classic McWire :)
[12:50:01] <archivist> height is often a problem 70mm is small, never forget the tooling
[12:50:16] <malcom2073> I love knee mills for that
[12:50:28] <MattyMatt> doesn't really work outside US. water pipes and electrical conduits don't have matching threads anywhere else
[12:52:29] <Polymorphism> archivist, so the tooling does need to be added to the workpiece height to determine if clearance is enough?
[12:53:29] <pink_vampire> start with something simple
[12:57:55] <archivist> problem is conflicting requirements for one machine, not going to happen
[12:58:59] <Polymorphism> I've adjusted my requirements
[12:59:07] <Polymorphism> .1" spacing is fine for PCB (yes, .1"!!!)
[12:59:17] <Polymorphism> and I only need 4mm thick alum
[12:59:21] <Polymorphism> at most
[12:59:25] <Polymorphism> the plate I have here is 1.6mm
[12:59:59] <Polymorphism> somewthing for fast prototype pcbs in house, I can use adapter for LQFP
[13:00:13] <Polymorphism> if I need more complexity I'll order out for final versions
[13:00:24] <archivist> forget plate thickness that is less relevant than box sizes
[13:03:09] <archivist> simple problems bite you, work holding, machine travel distances, clearances
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[13:05:00] <Polymorphism> hmm
[13:05:56] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9MauJ-EJ-o xD
[13:05:58] <archivist> sometimes you have to struggle to mill something http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=9018&subject=25806
[13:07:03] <Polymorphism> damn
[13:07:27] <Polymorphism> I don't think one of those will fit
[13:07:31] <Polymorphism> xD
[13:07:38] <archivist> that mill has only a 10" x travel...a pain
[13:08:07] <pink_vampire> archivist: it's a super machine
[13:08:36] <archivist> you see I added a plate to hang off the side to gain space to work
[13:12:09] <archivist> so when a machine does not have enough height, add a riser, extra 8" with a box under the column http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_07_10_cnc_with_LCD_P4/IMG_0268.JPG
[13:12:23] <archivist> be inventive
[13:15:21] <Polymorphism> @_@
[13:16:24] <Polymorphism> you're mouusing over the archive button
[13:16:28] <Polymorphism> coincidence?
[13:16:56] <Polymorphism> and what is the large green machine
[13:18:07] <archivist> and an example in another workshop I spotted they hung the overhang off a crane http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=statfold+milling
[13:18:49] <Polymorphism> lol
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[13:18:53] <Polymorphism> hey if it works why not
[13:19:36] <archivist> pull too hard and you break the milling machine
[13:24:19] <archivist> the turquoise machine is a sliding head lathe
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[14:15:26] <zeeshan|2> howdy
[14:15:48] <zeeshan|2> that is a nice mill :D
[14:18:58] * zeeshan|2 needs to start using tabs option to machine parts
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[14:39:52] <archivist> the old horizontal got its first coating of chips in best part of a year this weekend :)
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[15:19:26] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 you talking about screw tabs?
[15:19:46] <zeeshan|2> no
[15:20:08] <zeeshan|2> https://cncminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/img00036-20110227-1457.jpg
[15:20:09] <zeeshan|2> like that
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[15:20:23] <zeeshan|2> unfortunately i cant do it for this part im working on
[15:20:30] <zeeshan|2> cause i cheaped out on the stock
[15:20:40] <Tom_itx> breakaway tabs?
[15:20:43] <zeeshan|2> ya
[15:20:49] <Tom_itx> like .005 thick or such
[15:20:57] <zeeshan|2> more
[15:21:00] <zeeshan|2> 15 thou
[15:21:01] <Tom_itx> yeah that's fairly common
[15:21:04] <zeeshan|2> you flip the part
[15:21:07] <zeeshan|2> then machine off the tabs
[15:21:13] <zeeshan|2> after youre done the ops on the other side
[15:21:16] <Tom_itx> or brake em off and sand
[15:21:26] <zeeshan|2> ya
[15:21:26] <Tom_itx> break
[15:21:36] <zeeshan|2> man
[15:21:39] <zeeshan|2> i have 3 boxes
[15:21:42] <zeeshan|2> full of parts
[15:21:45] <zeeshan|2> theyre like 100lb each
[15:21:46] <zeeshan|2> haha
[15:21:57] <Tom_itx> you can leave a skin around the whole thing and punch it out
[15:21:59] <zeeshan|2> win win win
[15:22:13] <zeeshan|2> no you aint getting me!
[15:22:22] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/2GRa4NY.png
[15:22:47] <zeeshan|2> this part needs to be chamfered on both sides
[15:22:54] <zeeshan|2> its .188 thick
[15:23:06] <zeeshan|2> if i would go back and reorder the stock, and use tabs
[15:23:10] <Tom_itx> so how you gonna chamfer P2
[15:23:26] <zeeshan|2> i'd slot the contour shape of the part inside a rectangular work piece
[15:23:43] <zeeshan|2> i'd mill all the way thru except for 3 locations
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[15:23:45] <zeeshan|2> where there would be tabs
[15:23:54] <zeeshan|2> i'd only go down .188/2 in depth for those
[15:23:58] <zeeshan|2> then i'd flip the part
[15:24:10] <zeeshan|2> machine .5 deep on those slots
[15:24:12] <zeeshan|2> and do the chamfering
[15:24:22] <zeeshan|2> then mill the remaining slots off
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[15:24:54] <Tom_itx> it's only .188 thick to start with you said, how you gonna machine .5 deep?
[15:25:08] <zeeshan|2> er
[15:25:11] <zeeshan|2> 0.05
[15:25:38] <Tom_itx> i figured out tables on my own the other day
[15:25:53] <Tom_itx> they didn't seem to want to help much since it is covered in another course
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[15:26:21] <Tom_itx> now i can make a series of parts all table driven
[15:26:50] <Tom_itx> except one thing i haven't figured out yet
[15:27:11] <Tom_itx> i can name each part but the instance doesn't seem to have a variable to name
[15:28:24] <zeeshan|2> :D
[15:28:28] <zeeshan|2> i love that stuff
[15:28:37] <zeeshan|2> i setup a standard seal library for an old company
[15:28:38] <zeeshan|2> doing that
[15:28:47] <zeeshan|2> it would generate a part based on excel
[15:28:58] <archivist> my clock gears are table driven
[15:29:12] <Tom_itx> they've got a way to generate them all at once but i dunno how to do that
[15:30:13] <Tom_itx> i should have plenty of time to experiment since i'm about halfway thru the class and all done
[15:30:41] <zeeshan|2> catia expert! :D
[15:31:02] <Tom_itx> they have a bazillion classes on it... i'm no expert
[15:32:44] <Tom_itx> i don't see how any one person could retain all that
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[15:42:18] <zeeshan|2> you call that person zeeshan
[15:42:19] <zeeshan|2> :-]
[15:42:20] <zeeshan|2> haha
[15:42:30] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/BAhSU4k.jpg
[15:42:32] <zeeshan|2> these came out shiny
[15:44:20] <Tom_itx> are you a catia expert?
[15:44:25] <zeeshan|2> no
[15:44:26] <zeeshan|2> im being silly
[15:44:47] <Tom_itx> i dare say it does quite a bit more than SW
[15:45:36] <Tom_itx> the student ver doesn't even have 1/4 what the one at the lab has
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[15:46:48] <zeeshan|2> maybe in 2006
[15:46:48] <zeeshan|2> :P
[15:47:50] <zeeshan|2> at the end of trhis year
[15:47:55] <zeeshan|2> ill neeed to buy a cad software
[15:48:03] <zeeshan|2> i might go with inventor
[15:48:08] <Tom_itx> i like SW ok
[15:48:20] <Tom_itx> never used inventor
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[15:49:58] <zeeshan|2> Aluminum 2682550 -6425 Copper 146275 +75 Nickel 423552 -1668 Lead 173775 -150 Zinc 409400 -650
[15:50:06] <zeeshan|2> "warehouse stocks london metal exchange"
[15:50:09] <zeeshan|2> in tonnes
[15:50:19] <zeeshan|2> lol this reminds me of one of those games like warcraft
[15:50:22] <zeeshan|2> but its real life :)
[15:50:32] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kitcometals.com/
[16:00:52] <Tom_itx> you getting metal from UK?
[16:01:51] <zeeshan|2> no
[16:02:01] <zeeshan|2> im trying to recycle the 200+lb of aluminum turnings
[16:02:17] <zeeshan|2> looks like the going rate is $60
[16:02:18] <zeeshan|2> for it
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[17:14:29] <maxcnc> hi
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[17:51:52] <maxcnc> Gn8
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[18:17:24] <yasnak> man its hot today
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[19:26:05] <sidewalker> What a stupid installer
[19:26:27] <sidewalker> It won't let me choose what drive to install on.
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[19:30:22] <Polymorphism> ok large raptor is out of the question
[19:30:46] <Polymorphism> so its either smaller raptor and I put the electronics all together myself, not sure of total cost, could be as high as $3000
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[19:31:10] <Polymorphism> or omio X6-2200l for $2500 --- latest word is no respond from customer service - I havent tried
[19:31:19] <Polymorphism> or, perhaps the classic 6040 ebay will do what I need
[19:31:29] <Polymorphism> the 3040 and 3020 and 2020 don't look like good deals at all
[19:31:43] <Polymorphism> so I'm ruling them out
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[21:07:05] <Deejay> gn8
[21:07:26] <Magnifikus> so whats the best way to tell linuxcnc that the machine is not powered?
[21:07:39] <Magnifikus> the estop?
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[22:01:18] <jdh> Magnifikus: halui.machine.is-on perhaps?
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[22:07:53] <Magnifikus> sounds logical but was unsure about estop
[22:10:51] <jdh> estop is estop
[22:13:16] <XXCoder> stop motion, turn off and brake spindle
[22:20:14] <Duc> afternoon all
[22:20:26] <XXCoder> hey
[22:21:41] <Duc> hows it going
[22:21:48] <XXCoder> tired. just mowed
[22:22:53] <Duc> Im a lobster from going on shooting in the morning
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[22:23:25] <XXCoder> too much time in sun waiting for you assassition target eh
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[22:23:46] <XXCoder> what I do is use sun lotion and good high resistant to sun clothes
[22:23:55] <XXCoder> bring plenty opf cool water
[22:24:29] <Duc> yea we forgot the sun screen
[22:25:13] <Duc> but got the 300wm and 308 sighted in
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[22:26:00] <XXCoder> lol ok
[22:26:32] <Duc> amazing the idiots at the range
[22:27:07] <XXCoder> yeah?
[22:27:16] <XXCoder> whats they do? wave around armed weapon
[22:27:30] <XXCoder> finger on trigger when not getting ready to shoot?
[22:27:32] <andypugh> I manged to snap the SSD off of it mounting (it’s a DOM). Luckily my repair worked and I got the machine back up (and the config backed-up) https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6277252483988100258
[22:27:35] <Duc> not following the cold/hot range rules
[22:27:53] <Duc> common to make sure everyone is ready for the range to be hot
[22:28:15] <XXCoder> andypugh: lol but then you gonna get data out
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[22:29:36] <andypugh> I have a nice Bluetooth keyboard for this machine. (I would have preferred wired, but they don’t do it as wired).
[22:29:48] <XXCoder> Duc: so some people shot during "cold" (I assume it means dont shoot) or some people walking while hot
[22:29:53] <andypugh> sudo apt-get install bluetooth…..
[22:30:36] <Duc> XXCoder: yes cold range means people can walk down range. same idiots were pissed we were keeping our brass
[22:31:03] <andypugh> 56 packages to be installed / removed, hit OK, watched in horror as lightdm and the rest of the desktop environment got deleted… Ctrl-C _might_ have saved the day, it did at leas reboot to a GUI.
[22:31:09] <XXCoder> for recreation of bullet
[22:31:31] <XXCoder> andypugh: insane. sounds like very broken dependacy system
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[22:32:24] <andypugh> Yeah, I should do a clean install. It is a legacy of uninstalling Orage Calendar. The whole desktop environment has a dependency on that.
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[22:32:41] <XXCoder> sigh that is what sucks about linux sometimes
[22:32:43] <XXCoder> deps
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[22:32:51] <Duc> XXCoder: alot of people reload ammo. I collect my empty brass till I get around to order a press
[22:33:13] <XXCoder> Duc: so some people walked in to collect brass while range was hot?
[22:33:15] <XXCoder> what idiot
[22:33:58] <Duc> nah more started shooting before everyone was ok with range going Hot and then tried to grab our spent brass
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[22:34:31] <XXCoder> jeez
[22:34:55] <XXCoder> I dont really like guns myself but stealing is stealing
[22:34:59] <Duc> yea little dangerous when you have idiots out there
[22:35:03] <XXCoder> and safety is very important
[22:35:55] <Duc> more a courtesy to ask before grabbing spent brass that came from someone elses gun
[22:36:12] <XXCoder> to me if not asked yet just grab it IS stealing
[22:37:15] <Duc> one guy waited in his truck till they left before he started to setup his gear
[22:38:49] <Duc> andypugh: Is there a way to tell LNC to ignore a rotary when its removed from the system other than a second config?
[22:39:37] <andypugh> If it’s a stepper rotary you don’t have to do anything.
[22:39:55] <Duc> nope servo driven
[22:40:46] <Duc> more of a ignore the need to home the 4th so I can run midi and code
[22:41:02] <andypugh> On my mill (servo rotary) I normally have the A axis disconnected. It seems to not be a problem unless you try to jog it, at which point I get a follwoing-error.
[22:41:28] <Duc> the mill gets pissed if I dont home the axis
[22:41:35] <andypugh> Ah, I never bother to home the A axis (or, rather, it is set for immediate homing.
[22:41:57] <XXCoder> time to run my machine :D
[22:41:58] <Duc> ok Ill have to change it to that
[22:42:00] <XXCoder> not cutting but test
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[22:42:13] <XXCoder> finally generated good gcode yeserday
[22:42:19] <XXCoder> laters
[22:42:35] <Duc> later
[22:43:13] <andypugh> Duc: You almost certainly could do something in HAL to make it think the axis was homing. You would need to short-circuit the feedback though, and other stuff.
[22:43:22] <Duc> ah
[22:43:47] <Duc> Ill have to look into it and make a thread for understanding the tuning of it
[22:44:00] <andypugh> If it’s a normal rotary axis with a chuck I am not at all sure that homing is useful anyway.
[22:45:01] <Duc> no chuck on it yet but I see what you mean. it would be a different story if I had a fixture plate on it
[22:46:35] <Duc> the following error is increasing with the speed of the rotation and havent been able to get it to tune like the XYZ axis
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[23:05:25] <JT-Shop> I still don't understand why Glade would convert a text to a float just to mess it up
[23:07:22] <xxcodermill> the nc is running well :D
[23:09:05] <pcw_home> It need to convert it to float to do any math
[23:09:06] <pcw_home> and conversion back to text needs be have proper formatting or you will get weirdness
[23:14:38] <xxcodermill> its runing good, only thing I got wrong was not setting orgin at correct place
[23:14:52] <xxcodermill> I didnt set it to center of circle baah
[23:15:59] <xxcodermill> got question though
[23:16:21] <xxcodermill> it just asks me to change tool and start next
[23:16:38] <xxcodermill> how do I make it set tool length first? (manually is fine but...)
[23:20:44] <xxcodermill> whaa
[23:20:59] <xxcodermill> first tool and second tool has utterlu different coord center
[23:21:05] <xxcodermill> but both use g54
[23:21:18] <xxcodermill> I screwed something up
[23:24:16] <Duc> thats a little odd
[23:28:54] <XXCoder> Duc: yeah cam output was very wrong
[23:29:22] <XXCoder> g54 means it uses same place, but somehow holes is not set correct places
[23:29:30] <XXCoder> odd because render looks good
[23:29:38] <XXCoder> currently reading program
[23:29:43] <Duc> XXCoder: what is the repeatablity on your mill and is a pully loose
[23:29:57] <XXCoder> no pulley
[23:30:02] <XXCoder> and it went home to correct place
[23:30:24] <XXCoder> and when I set it to g54 xyz 0, it went to correct place (used pencil to mark it)
[23:30:43] <Duc> how long is the code? something easy to post
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[23:30:59] <XXCoder> lemme see if still has it
[23:31:17] <XXCoder> guess not
[23:31:52] <XXCoder> http://dpaste.com/3486485
[23:31:58] <XXCoder> it may be tool change error
[23:32:10] <XXCoder> because it was wrong after tool change
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[23:34:50] <XXCoder> well code looks correct
[23:34:58] <XXCoder> it may be tool change rountine thats broken?
[23:35:07] <XXCoder> if so how do I look into script for m6
[23:35:24] <jdh> do you have tool offsets set in your tool table?
[23:36:15] <_methods> g18?
[23:36:24] <XXCoder> ummm didnt bother with that actually
[23:36:27] <XXCoder> may be reason
[23:36:56] <XXCoder> I need to set remote view for my mill computer so I can chat here and look into it lol
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[23:40:30] <Duc> no laptop?
[23:41:37] <xxcodermill> nah
[23:41:46] <xxcodermill> hmm
[23:41:55] <xxcodermill> I see x-127 something on tool 1?
[23:42:02] <xxcodermill> is that topol offset or something?
[23:42:08] <Duc> or even your cell phone works
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[23:43:28] <xxcodermill> X 131.253 y 38.8399
[23:44:00] <Duc> that should just be positioning
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[23:46:35] <xxcodermill> in tool table?
[23:46:40] <xxcodermill> I set all to 0
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[23:52:59] <xxcodermill> nope tool 2 cutting position is wildly off
[23:53:23] <jdh> perhaps becase teh tool table says they are physically the same.
[23:53:47] <xxcodermill> jdh I had modified so it is 6 mm for first tool and 4.75 mm for second
[23:54:08] <xxcodermill> jdh: by "wildly" off I mean 3 inch offset
[23:54:38] <jdh> that is some funky code. What is the part
[23:55:07] <xxcodermill> see my dpaste above
[23:55:12] <jdh> I did.
[23:55:19] <jdh> it is funky code. what is the part?
[23:55:29] <xxcodermill> gage holder
[23:55:46] <xxcodermill> its a round stock that I want to add bunch of blind holes to
[23:56:21] <jdh> N65 G43 Z15. H1
[23:56:37] <jdh> what is the Z term for the G43?
[23:59:06] <xxcodermill> good question?