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[00:00:43] <XXCoder> andypugh: horzonal mill as lathe nice
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[00:01:04] <Tom_itx> i bet i could take catia classes for the next 6 yrs and still not cover all of what it does
[00:01:17] <andypugh> It makes a great gear-hobber too. And spring-winder. And jenny rollers
[00:03:36] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/QqUHERgsL-M
[00:03:41] <XXCoder> random video of day
[00:03:53] <XXCoder> I bet removal hurts
[00:06:29] <Valen> like you would use one wrap of tape
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[00:06:41] <Valen> you would just pile it on there
[00:06:45] <Valen> or at least I would
[00:06:55] <XXCoder> okay, expert kidnapper ;)
[00:07:01] <XXCoder> though your argument does make sense
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[00:07:37] <Valen> as a person who may or may not have tied people up for fun and profit if I wanted their hands in front of them I'd put some loops around their elbows as well
[00:07:59] <andypugh> It was about 4 layers.
[00:08:27] <Tom_itx> same principle as tearing a phone book
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[00:09:04] <XXCoder> maybe rotating duct tape few times after couple loops and add few more normal loops would make it act more like rope in a way? :P
[00:10:58] <Valen> just put like 20 turns on, and run it up their arms
[00:11:07] <Valen> not all nice and neat at their wrists
[00:11:17] <XXCoder> just make kidnapper a duck tape mummy
[00:11:30] <Valen> stick your hand through the hole in the tape and go around and around real fast like
[00:11:42] <andypugh> Leave some slack between the wrists and wrap round the sllack, like sewing on a button.
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[00:12:00] <XXCoder> from linuxcnc to kidanapper club. this channel is awesome lol
[00:12:10] <andypugh> Or, be a nice person and never duct tape anybody :-)
[00:12:34] <XXCoder> andypugh: probably just add some rigid rod between arms and make sure arms cant move up or down inr estect to it
[00:12:45] <XXCoder> video showed guy moving arms in angles to stress tape
[00:12:53] <Valen> andypugh: that is how you do it with rope for longer term use
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[00:14:13] <Tom_itx> just use a good piece of barbed wire
[00:15:05] <Duc_main> at least Im not describing the horrible movie HOT BOT on netflix
[00:17:49] <andypugh> “Tie me up, tie me down” by Pedro Almadovar is rather fun. But then most of his stuff is pretty good.
[00:18:44] <Valen> Duc_main: I have seen that in the listings, it looks terrible, how terrible is it?
[00:19:22] <Duc_main> Valen: not the worst movie on netflix. at the colors and scenes look normal
[00:19:36] <Duc_main> at least the colors and scenes look normal
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[00:19:46] <Valen> not 100% blue and teal?
[00:20:07] <XXCoder> not green like matrix?
[00:21:04] * Jymmm tosses XXCoder at the feet of Mr Greenjeans!
[00:21:15] <Duc_main> at least the wife hasnt yelled at me to turn it off. Some dont even make grade C but this would be a B movie
[00:21:43] <XXCoder> http://stuffpoint.com/science-fiction/image/160321-science-fiction-the-matrix-screenshot.jpg
[00:21:48] <XXCoder> it really is that green.
[00:22:18] <djdelorie> but only inside the matrix
[00:22:47] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Why yes! YEs he is...
http://natedsanders.com/ItemImages/000032/48561i_lg.jpeg
[00:23:46] <XXCoder> lol
[00:24:25] <XXCoder> he certainly is/
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/iceandfire/images/0/05/Green-giant.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130413015035
[00:25:03] <XXCoder> though he must be a pervert. hes very large, and he uses very short umm whatever that "clothing" is called
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[00:26:53] <andypugh> He appears to not be gigantic in all dimensions
[00:27:02] <XXCoder> yeah apparently
[00:29:19] <CaptHindsight> are there any new films out worth seeing?
[00:29:20] <andypugh> Talking about dimensions, I loved this pararaph I read today on Wikipedia:
[00:29:25] <andypugh> "In differential geometry, a hyperkähler manifold is a Riemannian
[00:29:26] <andypugh> manifold of dimension 4k and holonomy group contained in Sp(k) (here
[00:29:27] <andypugh> Sp(k) denotes a compact form of a symplectic group, identified with
[00:29:29] <andypugh> the group of quaternionic-linear unitary endomorphisms of a
[00:29:30] <andypugh> -dimensional quaternionic Hermitian space). Hyperkähler manifolds are
[00:29:32] <andypugh> special classes of Kähler manifolds. They can be thought of as
[00:29:33] <andypugh> quaternionic analogues of Kähler manifolds. All hyperkähler manifolds
[00:29:34] <andypugh> are Ricci-flat and are thus Calabi–Yau manifolds (this can be easily
[00:29:35] <andypugh> seen by noting that Sp(k) is a subgroup of SU(2k))."
[00:30:18] <andypugh> I like how it is very clear and unabiguous but I have no idea what half the words mean :-)
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[00:31:06] <XXCoder> its very clear to people who know
[00:31:10] <XXCoder> I'm not one of em
[00:34:00] <Duc_main> the level of nudity needs to increase in this movie
[00:34:46] <andypugh> XXCoder: Looking for clarification of a term I found the even better “ Simple Lie groups are a class of Lie groups which play a role in Lie group theory similar to that of simple groups in the theory of discrete groups. Essentially, simple Lie groups are connected Lie groups which cannot be decomposed as an extension of smaller connected Lie groups, and which are not commutative. “
[00:35:25] <XXCoder> LIAR!!!
[00:35:31] <XXCoder> heh
[00:35:36] <andypugh> OK, back to college for me, I need a maths degree.
[00:36:17] <CaptHindsight> Duc_main:
http://media4.popsugar-assets.com/files/users/2/20652/21_2007/a506_0001_bra_1_6.jpg is she the only reason for the film?
[00:36:51] <CaptHindsight> sort of an updated weird science
[00:37:03] <Duc_main> Probably her acting sucks but yes its like a weird science
[00:37:12] <Jymmm> andypugh: WTF?! I think you need a klinon to english translator first, THEN maybe the math class after that whatever you posted
[00:37:21] <Jymmm> klingon*
[00:37:23] <andypugh> She doesn’t really compete with that lass in the Fifth Elephant
[00:37:55] <XXCoder> huh is there new weird science movie?
[00:38:11] <XXCoder> whats next, remake of Howard duck?
[00:38:28] <Duc_main> its alot more perveted than weird science
[00:39:24] <Duc_main> but pretty tame
[00:44:27] <XXCoder> lol ok
[00:44:51] <andypugh> Hilarious:
https://youtu.be/hIUJWIT9GrU?t=3m10s
[00:54:31] <XXCoder> "sold for hitting your babies" as he holds that giant orange
[00:55:05] <XXCoder> gonna love autocaptions
[00:56:09] <andypugh> Ah, yes, you won’t hear his excellent scots accent
[00:56:58] <XXCoder> maybe this shit their pants but then again the ship the pencil attemts its failure to tell the difference is that it be happening around 50 or 60
[00:57:22] <andypugh> There is a “Hertz” there
[00:57:30] <XXCoder> I dont like how that big yellow one is discoloring water
[00:58:02] <andypugh> It’s a heater for baby baths. But it maks your baby live at 110V
[00:58:43] <XXCoder> yeah and that discolored water probably fine for live babies too :P
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[01:53:39] <unfy> *sigh* bought new iphone, can't migrate to it via computer here at work (vista). blech. in other news, looking forward to cutting up some angle iron and installing some thrust bearings tonight. maybe. i hope :D
[01:54:58] <malcom2073> Vista? Ouch
[01:55:55] <unfy> i'm a firm believer in 'aint broke, dont fix it' ... and although i'm no fan of vista... it's been fine.
[01:56:14] <malcom2073> Hey, if it works for you run with it
[01:56:30] <XXCoder> suggest upgrade to windows 7, and update till it installs service pack
[01:56:31] <unfy> much of the office has migrated to windows 10. that's something i won't be doing. 7 ? sure. 8.1 ? maybe. 10 ? no thanks.
[01:56:34] <XXCoder> then dont update past it
[01:56:51] <XXCoder> forgot service pack # is. 3?
[01:56:54] <malcom2073> I wasn't a fan of 8, 8.1, or 10. I do like 7 though
[01:57:03] <malcom2073> It's my go-to now that XP is getting old
[01:57:19] <unfy> xxcoder: dunno ...
[01:57:32] <XXCoder> I just go stright up linux
[01:57:37] <XXCoder> though I use 7 in a vm
[01:57:42] <malcom2073> So much of my stuff doesn't run in linux
[01:58:05] <XXCoder> with updates carefully disabled after service pack. the little update after it will annoy you about windows 10.
[01:58:18] <unfy> much of my work stuff don't run in linux either. annnnnddd... as a company thing - it's better if i run what the IT folks give me so as to not be 'too different'
[01:58:31] <malcom2073> heh
[01:58:47] <unfy> granted, i have about a dozen putty sessions open... and 95% of what i do is linux based...
[01:59:13] <XXCoder> yeah wish wine was better developed
[01:59:14] <unfy> and typically 3 or 4 vm's running (xp, 2000, 98)
[01:59:17] <XXCoder> it sucks
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[02:01:03] <unfy> the boss has threatened to buy me a new computer, i told him unequivocally 'no!'. mostly cause he has no idea what he's doing. IT can put me together a system, sure... the boss... no.
[02:02:31] <unfy> i kinda should get a cell dongle for linuxcnc machine, or another wireless router on other side of APT or something. i'm third story apt, detached garage. have to sneakernet the files to it heh
[02:04:28] <malcom2073> Ouch
[02:04:50] <malcom2073> Get a directional antenna and try to punch through maybe
[02:05:05] <malcom2073> Everyone needs IRC and google in their garage
[02:06:02] <unfy> zeesham-mill ? >_>
[02:06:21] <unfy> shan ?
[02:13:14] <unfy> errrr... forgot. gotta buy a case for phone too.
[02:13:33] <unfy> and sadly, since i know i've been violent at least once... it has to be an otterbox defender or better :(
[02:16:06] <unfy> any case machinests prefer ?
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[02:51:00] <XXCoder> otter all has one flaw
[02:51:07] <XXCoder> rubber "grows".
[02:51:30] <unfy> i've had this otter defender 4s case for a couple years, and yeah it's a little sloppy
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[02:51:41] <XXCoder> you can use hair dryer to warm it up and press floppy sides inward
[02:51:45] <unfy> it's still on it, and has survived being thrown full force at a wall though :D
[02:51:47] <XXCoder> then hold it ill it warms up
[02:53:07] <XXCoder> err cools down
[02:54:01] <unfy> i'll drop my phone all the time (shirt pocket -> ground when bending over)... and i've dropped it a time or two at gym. otherwise i'm gentle with the thing (realizing it's 400-800$ etc)
[02:54:15] <unfy> the throw thing... well... that was a bad day at work :D
[02:54:50] <unfy> anyhoo, the otterbox defender has been a champ so it's my current 'go to' case, but if there's something better folks wanna suggest - i'm game
[02:55:16] <XXCoder> lifeproof seems good
[03:00:51] <unfy> noted
[03:08:37] <unfy> what makes me sad is thinking about what kind of tools could have bought instead... :(
[03:09:15] <XXCoder> can always buy used phone
[03:09:26] <XXCoder> those lose value very fast
[03:09:43] <XXCoder> and usually has known exploits for rooting and can install better android on it
[03:10:08] <unfy> that's what my current phone was. and i would have stuck with it if it wasn't slowly becoming unusable as OS level bloat marches on etc
[03:10:25] <XXCoder> I used epic 4g for 4 years
[03:10:32] <XXCoder> little more but not too sure
[03:10:51] <unfy> i've ran an iphone 4 for.... about the same amount of time
[03:11:05] <unfy> maybe ?
[03:11:37] <XXCoder> longest I ever used one was blackberry 8830
[03:11:43] <XXCoder> it was around over 5 years
[03:13:42] <unfy> i should just get a dumb phone and then a music device or something.
[03:13:56] <unfy> although, the maps feature is handy... shrug.
[03:14:01] <XXCoder> well
[03:14:12] <XXCoder> if you get a old nphone with root
[03:14:21] <XXCoder> you could add teathering for modern tablet
[03:14:22] <unfy> whatever. i have the new phone, it'll suit me fine and will hopefully be supported and not bog down for 4-5 years
[03:14:39] <XXCoder> mines now around 2 years old
[03:14:46] <XXCoder> I doubt I will replace it soon
[03:15:02] <unfy> teathering is something i thought about for linuxcnc - but then i'd have to leave the phone in the garage heh
[03:15:07] <unfy> well, for the mill that is
[03:15:41] <XXCoder> can always buy wifi dongle lol
[03:15:44] <XXCoder> I got one for $5
[03:16:00] <unfy> gonna be seriously considering it :D
[03:17:20] <XXCoder> yeah its convient
[03:18:06] <XXCoder> other one I want
http://hackaday.com/2015/02/16/wi-fi-connected-e-ink-display/
[03:20:18] <unfy> damn tiny connectors :/
[03:22:07] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:22:40] <XXCoder> know whats sad?
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[03:22:49] <XXCoder> screen kits cost more than used kindles and nooks
[03:22:52] <unfy> i've got stuff for etching, a reflow oven, etc etc etc... but damn flat flex and other tiny connectors always piss me rigth the fuck off
[03:23:20] <unfy> heh
[03:24:32] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:24:43] <XXCoder> I want to do serial solder on my kindle pw2
[03:24:49] <XXCoder> but its pads is so damn tiny
[03:27:09] <unfy> it's gonna be too late to cut up the angle iron tonight, damn. I'll have to just get to it tomorrow somehow (along with building the compressor box and other stuff)
[03:31:11] <unfy> also was wanting to do some AL casting, but that's prolly not gonna happen ._.
[03:31:28] <XXCoder> ever did any Au casting?
[03:31:56] <unfy> nope. beyond my willingness to attempt
[03:32:09] <XXCoder> heh me either. I dont own enough gold to cast it
[03:32:15] <XXCoder> not that I know anything about casting.
[03:34:00] <unfy> building the 'king of random' from youtube's charcoal furnace and melting some aluminum is worth doing just for giggles. make sure to avoid water on anything and everything though - and preheat any metal molds you might be using to drive off moisture
[03:34:28] <unfy> a tiny drop of water in the corner of a mold can mean an aluminum shower :O
[03:35:28] <Not-Renny> Heheheh.
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[03:36:53] <XXCoder> I bet thats not nice shower.
[03:37:22] <unfy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A796N_YZTm8
[03:37:29] <unfy> first 20 sec is good enough
[03:38:35] <XXCoder> jeez
[03:38:39] <XXCoder> Al bomb
[03:38:48] <XXCoder> lava flak
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[04:10:37] <XXCoder> that is awesome unfy
https://youtu.be/cUnvWy8R8Jo
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[04:18:34] <XXCoder> jeeeeeez
https://youtu.be/rNlxGeuqBII
[04:18:37] <XXCoder> guy got lucky
[04:19:02] <XXCoder> quick reaction
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[04:31:04] <unfy> i've wanted to play with VFD's, just haven't had the time :(
[04:31:53] <XXCoder> I want to play with elctrics in general
[04:31:59] <XXCoder> but I cant get hang of it so whatever
[04:32:08] <unfy> lucky indeed, and the guy by/behind camera needs to be punched
[04:33:46] <XXCoder> why?
[04:33:50] <XXCoder> did guy say rude stuff?
[04:34:11] <unfy> 'gonna see your first crash' and insisting they plane was gonna wreck etc
[04:34:28] <XXCoder> ah rude
[04:36:06] <unfy> woot, coworker dropped off a 1lb map gas bottle for me to chop up and use as a temporary crucible while i get some tongs made for the real deal etc
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[04:40:46] <XXCoder> http://runt-of-the-web.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/spraypaint.jpg
[04:40:54] <XXCoder> see anything wrong with it? heh
[04:41:31] <unfy> assuming they're older mac pros, not really (giggle)
[04:41:43] <unfy> (ie: already paper weights, who cares about connectors)
[04:41:49] <XXCoder> lol yeah
[04:41:55] <XXCoder> lots paint inside I bet
[04:41:56] <XXCoder> holes.
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[05:25:01] <Not-Renny> XXCoder, was it you that had a file I could run on my mill?
[05:25:12] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:25:30] <XXCoder> needs some editing for safety lol its set to mm and spindle speed is very high
[05:25:33] <Not-Renny> I finally got it to stop freaking out after a mill. The interface I was using was garbage and it killed one of my milling bits.
[05:25:50] <Not-Renny> My spindle speed is manual and mill is set in 6km.
[05:25:53] <Not-Renny> Mm*
[05:26:35] <XXCoder> dpaste
[05:26:54] <XXCoder> http://dpaste.com/15P7ZP4
[05:27:31] <XXCoder> X, Y is in middle, 50mm rad overall fron center
[05:27:56] <XXCoder> Z is on top of "stock" which should be more than 20 mm high
[05:28:01] <Not-Renny> What's the height range this has the Z go at?
[05:28:18] <Not-Renny> I only have about 35mm of Z
[05:28:26] <XXCoder> thats fine
[05:29:00] <Not-Renny> How high does it go over the stock surface?
[05:29:08] <XXCoder> ahh hmm too far I think
[05:29:28] <XXCoder> z5
[05:29:31] <XXCoder> 'should be fine
[05:29:43] <XXCoder> from bottom, set Z 0 to 25 mm up
[05:29:58] <Not-Renny> Hm. I don't really know how gcode works......
[05:30:17] * Not-Renny is the newbiest newbie of CNC
[05:30:35] <XXCoder> change s27000 to s1000 or whatever. since it isnt cutting s speed dont matter
[05:30:42] <XXCoder> make sure you change all of em
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[05:32:45] <XXCoder> ah I see problem with that gcode
[05:32:59] <XXCoder> dont run it with real stock, good enough to test machine though
[05:34:10] <XXCoder> though if you dont know enough gcode its not good diea to run untested gcode
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[05:42:39] <XXCoder> lets see if autodesk fusion likes stl model i made
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[06:08:20] <zeeshan|2> man what a long night :P
[06:08:35] <XXCoder> fusion360 dont seem to be very clea
[06:08:36] <XXCoder> r
[06:09:10] <zeeshan|2> :P
[06:09:37] <XXCoder> trying to figure how to rotate object I imported
[06:11:00] <XXCoder> ah finally
[06:12:17] <zeeshan|2> man i am having a dilemma here
[06:12:27] <zeeshan|2> i accidently overquoted a repeat customr
[06:12:35] <zeeshan|2> for one of the 6 different parts he ordered
[06:12:38] <zeeshan|2> he accepted the price
[06:12:46] <zeeshan|2> but it took me a lot less time than i thought it would to machine it
[06:13:05] <zeeshan|2> what to do
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[06:13:26] <XXCoder> good question
[06:13:36] <XXCoder> I'd go for honestity
[06:13:46] <XXCoder> repeat customers is quite valuable
[06:13:51] <zeeshan|2> yes
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[06:15:38] <XXCoder> whats difference between nylon 6 and nylon 6/6?
[06:16:14] <zeeshan|2> i don't remember the chemical difference
[06:16:19] <zeeshan|2> but 6/6 can take higher pressures
[06:16:20] <zeeshan|2> its stronger
[06:16:30] <zeeshan|2> line nylon 6 tube vs nylon6/6 tube
[06:16:39] <zeeshan|2> the difference was like 1000 psi from what i recall
[06:16:42] <zeeshan|2> i used it for grease lines
[06:16:46] <XXCoder> hmm no idea which mine is but I'll just assume nylon 6
[06:16:51] <zeeshan|2> for what
[06:17:19] <XXCoder> I have round stock I plan to cut into gage rod holder
[06:17:23] <XXCoder> lemme find pic a sec
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[06:19:27] <XXCoder> http://picpaste.com/pics/28cc13e8358eca70ec472009f0c24df6.1461392352.png
[06:19:41] <XXCoder> the outer diameter and inside middle hole is pre-existing
[06:20:11] <zeeshan|2> machining wise i bet theyre very similar
[06:21:53] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:22:00] <XXCoder> probably anyway lol
[06:22:28] <XXCoder> damn
[06:22:34] <XXCoder> I fucking hate gray text on white
[06:22:38] <XXCoder> near unreadable
[06:23:25] <zeeshan|2> lol
[06:23:43] <XXCoder> "color that site!" plugin is so wonderous
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[06:52:08] <XXCoder> dammit
[06:52:14] <XXCoder> cant figure how to get it to pocket
[06:52:31] <XXCoder> it may not be possible because 3d model is imported
[06:53:15] <XXCoder> ah finally
[06:58:51] <XXCoder> it doesnt make sense
[06:59:15] <XXCoder> it shows toolpath to be off center
[06:59:25] <XXCoder> yet post-cut "stock" is nicely positioned
[06:59:52] <XXCoder> holes is bigger than I want it too
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[07:04:26] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: finally digured it out
[07:04:36] <XXCoder> I was using 2d contour for holes
[07:04:40] <XXCoder> its better to use bore
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[07:06:11] <XXCoder> excellent! now to add another tool and 8 more holes
[07:07:38] <archivist> I hate that sort of holder where insufficient space is left for fingers to get hold of an item and/or the hole is too tight
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[07:09:03] <archivist> my staking set includes a tool because of that cockup being designed in
[07:09:23] <archivist> tool to remove the tools
[07:10:31] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/boley_leinen_staking_set/698974212_o.jpg
[07:11:03] <archivist> that is one I spotted on ebay, grabbed the pics to compare with mine
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[07:25:00] <XXCoder> cheap people.
https://i.imgur.com/PyBLZcp.png
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[07:39:18] <XXCoder> hm what do I use for groove
[07:39:31] <XXCoder> pocket didnt work out
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[08:07:43] <XXCoder> what the flipping hell
[08:07:53] <XXCoder> fusion360 installed brackets without permission
[08:07:59] <XXCoder> it just stright up installed
[08:09:02] <MattyMatt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etviGf1uWlg
[08:09:14] <XXCoder> The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
[08:09:35] <MattyMatt> groove is in the heart
[08:09:46] <XXCoder> music?
[08:10:31] <MattyMatt> I do my grooves and pockets with gcode subroutines
[08:10:41] <XXCoder> cool
[08:10:54] <XXCoder> I just made my first seemly legit cam output :D
[08:11:00] <XXCoder> fusion isnt too bad
[08:11:06] <XXCoder> just SLOOOOOW
[08:11:22] <XXCoder> running fusion 360 in windows 7 in xfce mint
[08:11:26] <MattyMatt> I used to use a script for blender, but mostly I just use that for reference and write gcode by hand
[08:11:26] <XXCoder> and no gpu
[08:11:48] <XXCoder> I dont know gcode enough to completely do it by hand
[08:11:57] <XXCoder> but I do know enough to extensively modify em
[08:12:12] <MattyMatt> there's a pocket sub on the wiki iirc
[08:12:23] <XXCoder> hell I once fixed very badly done program so i could make parts
[08:12:47] <XXCoder> some moron set Z=0 to fixture top for one tool and rest is part top
[08:12:50] <MattyMatt> nested for..next loops. easy enough apart from gcode's syntax
[08:12:51] <XXCoder> that killed one tool
[08:12:55] <XXCoder> *part
[08:13:43] <XXCoder> that week was pretty bad for new fadal jeez
[08:13:54] <XXCoder> that horrbily done program
[08:14:13] <XXCoder> then next day fadal spindle decided to cook itself (not really, its belt burnt)
[08:14:27] <XXCoder> then day after, it got stuck on tool change and I couldnt fix it
[08:15:12] <XXCoder> 4th day job had bad issues, missing entries in jobs list for part (it was missing entry for prep)
[08:15:24] <XXCoder> many of those was first time it ever happened to me lol
[08:15:32] <XXCoder> and thankfully never since
[08:16:34] <MattyMatt> ah it's 4 days you remeber
[08:16:45] <XXCoder> I work 4 days a week
[08:16:57] <MattyMatt> those are the kind of days you'll miss, eventually
[08:17:09] <XXCoder> heh
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[08:18:14] <XXCoder> ugh
[08:18:26] <XXCoder> fusion360 dont have nice way to exit so far I see
[08:23:03] <XXCoder> ah gonna sign out
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[08:26:32] <XXCoder> well MattyMatt hows ya
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[08:28:26] <XXCoder> wb Not-Renny
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[09:41:34] <pink_vampire> hi
[09:41:45] <pink_vampire> XXCoder:
[09:41:58] <XXCoder> hey the undying
[09:42:11] <XXCoder> I finally made seemly legit gcode export!
[09:42:23] <XXCoder> fusion 360 worked decent once I figured some stuff out
[09:42:52] <XXCoder> I will run it tomorrow, no cutting though
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[10:02:56] <evil_ren> xxcoder: i dont use the cad stuff
[10:03:14] <XXCoder> cool
[10:03:24] <evil_ren> but the cam stuff, UI is goofy but really quick once you get it, workflow is pretty duh
[10:03:46] <evil_ren> and almost everything just works
[10:04:18] <evil_ren> toolpaths for days yo
[10:04:30] <evil_ren> but jezus fuck the cloud shit
[10:04:35] <evil_ren> hate
[10:05:07] <XXCoder> fusion 360 is all cloud unfortunately
[10:05:18] <evil_ren> would consider paying for it, except for the cloud shit
[10:05:39] <XXCoder> fusion is free as long as you make less than 250k a year
[10:05:49] <XXCoder> by that point you'll find pricing very affordable.
[10:05:50] <evil_ren> for more than a year?
[10:05:54] <evil_ren> they changed that
[10:05:58] <evil_ren> its free for students
[10:06:03] <XXCoder> well yeah
[10:06:12] <XXCoder> students dont make 250k a yea usually
[10:06:23] <XXCoder> but companies that make small money can use it for free too
[10:10:23] <evil_ren> when i got the license, it was startups for a year, dunno if they had the 250k rule, thats pretty cool
[10:10:56] <XXCoder> yeah I might have misunderstood but yeah
[10:11:18] <XXCoder> I dont think i will make any serous amount of money anywya
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[10:39:22] <Loetmichel> ... thats the advantage of going shopping before breakfast: you get freshly made gound pork from the butcher, a fresh, still warm bread from the bakery and fresh tomates. And a wife that lovingly makes you breakfast ;) ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16250&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[10:39:58] <XXCoder> looks very... fresh? :P
[10:40:21] <Loetmichel> also very tastyx ;-)
[10:40:24] <Loetmichel> -x
[10:40:34] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: meat looks uncooked?
[10:40:37] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Too bad she's really trying to poison you by not actually cooking that RAW pork =)
[10:41:25] <Loetmichel> thaths the way it should be
[10:41:48] <Loetmichel> also thats the way why it should be FRESH
[10:42:04] <XXCoder> in least its not raw chicken
[10:42:38] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Has nothign to do with freshness, it has to do with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichinosis
[10:43:09] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i meant: raw pork can be dangerous if you dont know which source.
[10:43:25] <Loetmichel> i trust my butcher.
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[10:43:52] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I understand what ou meant, but it has nothign to do with the butcher, but it's the farmer and their source that's the concern.
[10:43:58] <Deejay> moin
[10:44:34] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: If the farmer's stock has ringworm from piglet, etc then you be fucked
[10:44:37] <Loetmichel> thats the same. because we have a law in germany that shops have to label their meat back to the farmer who made it.
[10:45:17] <XXCoder> fish is about the only meat I'm willing to eat raw
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[10:45:28] <XXCoder> and at that only in sushi
[10:45:36] <Loetmichel> this butcher only uses local "bio" farmers. the pice of meat i just saw him grinding was walking around a few days ago not that far away on a "bio" farm
[10:46:02] <Loetmichel> so its not a thin here
[10:46:45] <Loetmichel> i think we have less tricinosis cases in germany than we have fugu poisoning ;)
[10:47:27] <Jymmm> Well, it's not a thing in 50 years, BUT... there have been a lot of things in the last 5+ years that have resurfaced lately disease wise
[10:47:59] <andypugh> I have heard that the fondness for raw pork in some Germanic countries explains their starnge design of toilet :-)
[10:48:12] <Jymmm> LMAO
[10:48:17] <Loetmichel> muhahaha
[10:48:36] <Loetmichel> to see if something moves?
[10:48:55] <archivist> worm checking
[10:49:17] <Loetmichel> thats what i meant
[10:49:24] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: If you don't already know if something is moving BEFORE you sit down, you're in trouble!
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[10:50:20] <Loetmichel> [insert "that escalated fast" meme here] ;-)
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[10:50:44] <andypugh> Loetmichel: That’s what I was told, yes.
[10:53:28] <XXCoder> Jymmm: yeah thanks to amazing work by anti-vaccines folk
[10:53:47] <Jymmm> XXCoder: ?
[10:53:54] <Jymmm> oh
[10:54:14] <Jymmm> XXCoder: mostly had to be bred out I believe
[10:54:45] <XXCoder> Jymmm: polio is almost done due to vaccines, I just hope its wiped soon
[10:55:00] <XXCoder> while some others is slowly making a return
[10:55:04] <Jymmm> XXCoder: but measles is back
[10:55:08] <XXCoder> indeed
[10:55:38] <andypugh> What do they call German Measles in Germany?
[10:56:19] <andypugh> Ah:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Röteln
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[11:01:18] <XXCoder> man
[11:01:24] <XXCoder> fusion 360 takes so long to open.
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[11:46:46] <XXCoder> bah
[11:46:51] <XXCoder> gcode has a little problem
[11:47:07] <XXCoder> it makes holes but does not clear out middle area in larger holes
[11:47:19] <XXCoder> well I can modify code to fix that anyway
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[12:08:07] * Polymorphism continues research
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[12:25:52] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 you should keep track of your quotes
[12:26:24] <Tom_itx> consider a repeat run you don't have tooling to make etc
[12:27:16] <Tom_itx> oh and the first run, you were running your cutters at half speed
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[12:33:06] <jthornton> morning
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[12:41:37] <Valen> XXCoder: they are changing the polio vaccine to get rid of the version of polio that vaccines can give now
[12:42:16] <Valen> the type of polio it protects against hasn't been seen in ages aparently
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[12:54:48] <Loetmichel> btw: does anyone know of a "postprocessor" tool that is free, windos and can use .plt files as input, AND is a bit more versatile than BoCNC?
[12:55:15] <Loetmichel> (let you define not to pill out after each depth for example)
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[12:57:07] <Loetmichel> -i+u
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[13:05:25] <archivist> are you confused between CAM and post processor
[13:14:03] <Loetmichel> TIL/PSA: Installing KB3102810 on a fresh installed win7 will double idle time on battery... its nice to NOT have one core sitting at 100% load beacuse of wuausrv running amok in the BG... ;)
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[14:30:27] <zeeshan|2> hi tom
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[14:46:00] <MattyMatt> Loetmichel .plt is hpgl?
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[14:47:19] <MattyMatt> Inkscape has in importer afaics
[15:11:17] <pink_vampire> hi
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[15:46:01] <Tom_itx> i zeeshan
[15:46:05] <Tom_itx> hi
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[15:51:32] <Loetmichel> MattyMatt: yes
[15:55:30] <Loetmichel> archivist: no i am not. BoCnc is a little freeware tool that can make (multiple "pecking")toolpaths (gcode) out of hpgl files, using the pen number as (manual) input for z depth information and can even correct the path for the tool diameter. but its no longer developed and has some quirks, as the "pullout cycle" after each plunge into a toolpath. See for example this two videos, one with
[15:55:30] <Loetmichel> the original output and one with the G00Z2.0 edited out:
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[15:56:18] <Not-Renny> Aaaaa
[15:56:20] <Not-Renny> https://www.dropbox.com/s/t04bu3sm4akomjm/0423160927.mp4?dl=0
[15:56:26] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDFLvk_0UJ0
[15:56:38] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXNhsid6PD0
[15:56:40] <Not-Renny> Loetmichel, look I have a thing!
[15:56:43] <Loetmichel> see the difference?
[15:57:40] <Loetmichel> sorry, first one wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxxhvO6wP08
[15:57:52] <Not-Renny> Loetmichel, what kind of bit do you use?
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[15:58:16] <Loetmichel> 2,0mm TC 2 flute ground for aluminium
[15:59:11] <Tom_itx> a punch would be more efficient for that
[16:00:46] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaouaN3bqwc <- aaah, there is the right wone without edited out g0z2
[16:01:27] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: a punch would need me to deburr the holes... not fun either.
[16:01:51] <Tom_itx> tumbler
[16:01:54] <pink_vampire> https://static.wixstatic.com/media/7df523_2accfed60e407da8d4f5dda656bf8e5a.jpg/v1/fill/w_660,h_528,al_c,q_90,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/7df523_2accfed60e407da8d4f5dda656bf8e5a.jpg
[16:01:57] <Loetmichel> also it will not cut out the outer cutour with the same tool
[16:02:17] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: What spindle is that?
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[16:05:58] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: how do you make the solder mask?
[16:09:23] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: How much wood could a wood chuck chuck, if a wood chuck could chuck wood?
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[16:24:30] <CaptHindsight> Would a wood chuck chuck as much wood as a wood chuck could chuck wood?
[16:24:32] <Not-Renny> Loetmichel: what is the meaning of life?
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[16:40:06] <Tom_itx> the universe is balanced once again with Not-Renny and Renny here
[16:41:15] <Renny> :l
[16:41:57] <Renny> Mah phone timed out...
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[16:45:56] <zeeshan|2> :P
[16:54:27] <archivist> Loetmichel, cam is lines to gcode, a post processor converts generic cam to particular dialect of gcode
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[17:02:16] <Renny> Hm. XXCoder, do you have that file in a .nt?
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[17:06:27] <zeeshan|2> =D
[17:06:37] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: solder mask?
[17:07:47] <Tom_itx> a mask you wear on solder day
[17:07:53] <Tom_itx> just like halloween
[17:07:57] <Loetmichel> pingufan_: thats a heavy coffee table... and the colour... takes some "getting used to" to say the least
[17:08:03] <zeeshan|2> tom
[17:08:08] <zeeshan|2> im in love with the 3 flute imco end mills
[17:08:08] <Tom_itx> zee
[17:08:15] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: haha
[17:08:27] <Tom_itx> they are ok but i just don't care for 3 flute em
[17:08:29] <zeeshan|2> the 3/8 one is taking 0.014 chip load
[17:08:34] <zeeshan|2> no problem
[17:08:37] <zeeshan|2> with no clogging
[17:08:52] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/e1G2Eyt.jpg
[17:08:54] <Tom_itx> i didn't say they would clog, they're just hard to mic
[17:08:56] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/6qS3704.jpg
[17:09:03] <zeeshan|2> 3 point mic
[17:09:05] <zeeshan|2> get one
[17:09:07] <zeeshan|2> :P
[17:09:08] <Tom_itx> naw
[17:09:24] <zeeshan|2> you dont even need a 3 point mic
[17:09:25] <zeeshan|2> i dont have one
[17:09:39] <zeeshan|2> http://imgs.starrett.com/image/220XFL-1e50746cUSp1?wid=450&hei=310&qlt=80,1&fmt=png-alpha&maskUse=norm
[17:09:42] <zeeshan|2> ihave this
[17:09:48] <zeeshan|2> i use a v-groover insert in it
[17:09:52] <Tom_itx> the next box you should show me is a box of cash
[17:10:05] <zeeshan|2> i still got a lot more to go
[17:10:14] <zeeshan|2> my friend is making some for me also
[17:10:17] <Tom_itx> what are they for?
[17:10:29] <zeeshan|2> rescue equipment
[17:10:36] <zeeshan|2> the one offs are jigs for them
[17:10:56] <Tom_itx> yeah
[17:10:58] <Loetmichel> archivist: ok, so i search for a small time cam. or a post processor that can filter out the BS that BoCNC does ;)
[17:11:16] <zeeshan|2> seriously over the last couple of days
[17:11:21] <zeeshan|2> ive gone from 25-30 min per part
[17:11:24] <zeeshan|2> to 8
[17:11:37] <Tom_itx> getting braver?
[17:11:48] <zeeshan|2> by increasing the feed and optimizing tool path
[17:11:48] <zeeshan|2> :P
[17:12:18] <Tom_itx> yeah if you make enough parts it's well worth tweaking the cam output
[17:12:23] <zeeshan|2> yes
[17:12:27] <zeeshan|2> a little change adds up quick
[17:12:48] <Tom_itx> i try to tweak the cam itself as much as i can
[17:13:02] <zeeshan|2> brb
[17:13:10] <Tom_itx> leaving in a bit
[17:14:01] <archivist> Loetmichel, like dxf2gcode
[17:16:01] <Magnifikus> http://pastebin.com/hUx7uBCf meh thats not good :(
[17:16:04] <Magnifikus> rpi3
[17:16:23] <Magnifikus> while installing xorg via wifi
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[17:53:41] <witnit> anyone familiar with emerson "digitax st" drives?
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[19:41:08] <Loetmichel> archivist: yes, but for windows.
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[19:47:31] <skunkworks_> not bad for no tuning yet...
http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/followingerror.png
[19:48:10] <skunkworks_> it was a comedy of errors
[19:49:03] <skunkworks_> tach hooked in backwards, wrong pwm type and frequency... well - I guess not too bad.
[19:49:39] <skunkworks_> Looks like X has about .002 of backlash. have to look into it.
[19:49:44] <skunkworks_> inch
[19:50:13] <skunkworks_> looks like 500ipm with the current setup.
[19:53:36] <witnit> Loetmichel: do you happen to have any of the software for them?
[19:54:05] <witnit> I have a project coming and I am trying to get a bit educated before the hardware shows up
[19:54:38] <Swapper_> Hi, Anyone know if there is a setting that makes linuxcnc not take "shortcuts" when feeding in and out?
[19:55:03] <Swapper_> Seems like in the plot that there is a arch and its not folowing the dotted line
[19:57:09] <skunkworks_> Look at G64Px.xxx
[19:57:53] <witnit> Swapper_:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g61-g61.1
[19:58:15] <witnit> Maybe thats not the right page but I think its just south of there
[19:59:45] <Swapper_> ty
[20:05:54] <Swapper_> witnit: Ok so if i add a G64 P.1 Q.1 (metric) i should get less "short cuts" when its feeding in and out
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[20:22:50] <witnit> Swapper_: see section 1.3
[20:22:52] <witnit> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/user/user-concepts.html#sec:trajectory-control
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[20:23:17] <witnit> It may explain better exactly how P and Q conducts business
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[20:33:55] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:17:04] <skunkworks_> http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20160423_155545.jpg
[21:17:27] <skunkworks_> http://electronicsam.com/images/matsuura/20160423_155606.jpg
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[22:05:12] <Magnifikus> can someone explain if my perception of command position and feedback/error is right?
[22:05:39] <Magnifikus> so the planner gives the motion thing a commanded position that it has to be at the next cycle
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[22:06:13] <Magnifikus> and at the next cycle the difference between commanded position (from the last cycle) is the f-error?
[22:07:00] <Magnifikus> so if for example is use an external stepgenerator (fpga) and the cycle times are abit "off" i get some ferror
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[22:33:51] <Magnifikus> okaaay if you got an fpga with 83mhz crystall and the old one had 62mhz the following error alot higher is expected :)
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[22:58:00] <JT-Shop> to my surprise the mb and power supply showed up today via fedex
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[23:13:15] <andypugh> I wonder if chains will end up being better or worse than belts on my lathe?
[23:13:43] <JT-Shop> chains?
[23:13:57] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6276864240723985314
[23:14:13] <andypugh> Inverted-tooth chain running in an oil bath.
[23:14:17] <SpeedEvil> The question you need to ask:
[23:14:27] <SpeedEvil> Do your chains hang low, do they wobble to and fro?
[23:15:02] <andypugh> They have no backlash, and should be stiffer than a belt.
[23:15:18] <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
[23:15:20] <andypugh> But might very well introduce cyclical errors
[23:15:37] <SpeedEvil> Backlash would be induced if not well supported
[23:15:47] <andypugh> It’s an experiement, i can always swap to belts.
[23:15:57] <SpeedEvil> I'm not saying it's a stupid idea
[23:16:10] <JT-Shop> ah a timing chain
[23:16:25] <SpeedEvil> If it can flop, then you can get backlash I think
[23:16:29] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Indeed, in fact the parts are all Yamaha R1 :-)
[23:17:04] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: The motor mount is adjustable for chain tension.
[23:17:14] <JT-Shop> looks pretty tight ie no tensioner needed
[23:17:58] <andypugh> Motor mount took a long time to think up:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6276864222669176290
[23:19:49] <andypugh> The same screws hold the cover on. That was the “lightbulb moment”
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6276161329666073874 The two emty holes at the bottom.
[23:21:26] <andypugh> I am almost sure that a few years in the future I will have completely forgotten how the chain tension gets adjustsed.
[23:22:02] <JT-Shop> slick
[23:22:13] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: Engrave stupid people pictograms on it
[23:22:44] <andypugh> Maybe a brass plaque, the machine being what it is.
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[23:25:34] <witnit> andypugh: where is your encoder located on this machine?
[23:28:43] <andypugh> witnit: The servo motors have resolvers.
[23:29:46] <andypugh> THe X-servo originally had an absolute encoder, but I couldn’t figure it out and replaced it with a resolver. This is not a common thing to do.
[23:30:32] <witnit> maybe you would be good to add an encoder to the slide for accurate backlack compensation
[23:31:03] <witnit> backlash*
[23:31:06] <witnit> heh
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[23:35:25] <andypugh> With a lathe the backlast is nearly always on the same side for the same tool. So, actually, it isn’t all that critical
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[23:36:24] <andypugh> On a manual lathe you can turn diameters to .0002” with half a turn of backlash in the screw, and things are not that different with CNC.
[23:36:33] <witnit> yeah, luckily for me, all my slides I been using already have spring tension return and work on cam, so i never have any jitters or slop in the motion
[23:38:13] <witnit> im sure it is rather upsetting to have your tooling sucked into the work when using strong relief or drilling perhaps
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[23:38:38] <andypugh> But I did go for pre-loaded ballscrews all round on this lathe. I am trying to do the best job I know how to. I am even painting stuff!
[23:38:52] <witnit> whooaaa, im not up to painting yet
[23:38:53] <witnit> hahah
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[23:39:22] <witnit> I usually only paint things which are special tools and I do not want to lose them
[23:40:09] <andypugh> The tailstock is looking nice:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6273531630598303666
[23:40:24] <witnit> dang it is smooth
[23:40:37] <witnit> what happened to the other 5 layers of shop paint?
[23:41:29] <JT-Shop> very nice, it must be midnight over there
[23:42:02] <andypugh> That little round knob is on a little dipper in a reservoir for oil for lubricating the tailstock centre, a nice touch.
[23:42:39] <witnit> all my machines usually come with 45+ years of added layers of paint (I absolutely hate when they paint over adjusting screws, cap screws, machined surfaces, threads, and model/part number plates)
[23:43:39] <andypugh> That’s the pain I am having with painting, a lot of things need painting before you can fit them, but other parts need to be painted when the maiting parts are on.
[23:44:20] <witnit> oh that tap handle though
[23:44:21] <witnit> hahaha
[23:45:35] <andypugh> Did you notice the G-code orgin references in the tap-handle photo?
[23:46:23] <witnit> hahaah no I think i was focused on the duct tape
[23:46:54] <witnit> this style is super easy to make for what it's worth
http://www.micro-machine-shop.com/tap_handle_2.jpg
[23:51:50] <andypugh> I have a really nice Starret tap wrench from the 50s. But it wasn’t quite big enough for the M16 tap.
[23:53:24] <andypugh> Though I suppose I should make one of the style shown there that can go all the way up to the 2 7/8” whitworth tap I have. :)
[23:54:04] <andypugh> (that tap suits the spindle nose of an old Colchester Triumph.
[23:55:28] <witnit> oh, shes curvy
[23:55:44] <witnit> that era of castings are really nice
[23:59:33] <witnit> I got one of these recently I love the feel of the shifting handles, even the handwheels are cast with counterweights to accommodate the swivel grips
[23:59:38] <witnit> http://www.purplewaveauction.com/i/a/2012/20120822midwest/M9687.JPG
