#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-04-17

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[00:05:59] <andypugh> FloppyDisk: I had an old lathe chuck with no backplate, so I drilled a couple of holes through it to take T-nuts. But it is more normal to bolt the chuck to a flat plate bigger than the chuck, then clamp down the plate.
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[00:20:04] <JT-Shop> one more try at installing 10.04 on the dell then I'm changing hard drives
[00:22:54] <Tom_itx> hdd givin you fits?
[00:27:30] <JT-Shop> no, the hdd seems to be ok, the mb is a D525 maybe it just died like the last ones
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[00:30:16] <JT-Shop> got 10.04 installed on the dell and latency looks good
[00:30:38] <JT-Shop> just need to copy the BP config and I'm up and running I think
[00:30:46] <JT-Shop> tomorrow
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[00:58:43] <pink_vampire> on face milling what is easier on the cutting tool, climb or conventional?
[00:59:59] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ?
[01:00:25] <XXCoder> facemill is quite different
[01:00:37] <XXCoder> youre using actual facemill or just one of em?
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[01:09:12] <pink_vampire> 1/8" 4f end mill
[01:09:18] <pink_vampire> 0.1mm pass
[01:11:30] <XXCoder> cool
[01:11:43] <XXCoder> use em the usual way should be fine
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[01:12:10] <XXCoder> maybe extra slow depending on how its held?
[01:18:07] <pink_vampire> one end mill die
[01:18:21] <archivist> make on the end of a rod, last cut, slitting saw
[01:18:22] <XXCoder> broke?
[01:18:47] <pink_vampire> I want to set the 0 for the Z axis but I was to close to the material
[01:18:53] <pink_vampire> snap!
[01:19:03] <evil_ren> ?
[01:19:09] <evil_ren> dont do that
[01:19:22] <gregcnc> end mills are ivel kill them all
[01:19:49] <XXCoder> oops that happened to me before, with $300 tool lol
[01:19:59] <XXCoder> in least your em is vastly cheaper
[01:20:05] <gregcnc> I killed a thread mill doing somthing like that once. $60
[01:20:22] <pink_vampire> happened to me with made in usa 7$ end mill :)
[01:20:43] <XXCoder> gregcnc: yeah I use 123 block and slide test but that time I forgot to move 123 block out before lowering. apparenbtly I arrived zero heh
[01:20:43] <gregcnc> any luck with that hardened rod?
[01:21:05] <gregcnc> ohhh oops.
[01:21:52] <gregcnc> I was doing somethign dumb and had the thread mill in a hole then jogged
[01:22:10] <XXCoder> jog while in part tsk tsk heh
[01:22:49] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: carbide cut it very nice
[01:22:58] <gregcnc> I think I hit X instead of Z
[01:23:09] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: http://i.imgur.com/HJTGW2L.png
[01:23:10] <XXCoder> ow
[01:23:42] <gregcnc> was it through hard?
[01:23:46] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: What's that far?
[01:24:01] <malcom2073> for*
[01:24:03] <pink_vampire> nut
[01:24:03] <malcom2073> Pretty tiny
[01:24:09] <pink_vampire> know.
[01:24:18] <malcom2073> Why the funky shape?
[01:24:39] <gregcnc> to expensive to be just a nut
[01:24:53] <pink_vampire> It has 3 holes on the sides
[01:24:54] <gregcnc> hardware store has those
[01:25:02] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/QHHaPCr.png
[01:25:08] <pink_vampire> this is the 3d model
[01:25:44] <XXCoder> I have yet to figure what it is. maybe it IS nail decoation heh
[01:25:47] <gregcnc> what's the thread
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[01:25:52] <archivist> making a probe spider
[01:26:15] <XXCoder> so it holds umm probe pins?
[01:26:35] <pink_vampire> archivist: good eye!
[01:26:36] <archivist> three pins and the stylus
[01:27:22] <pink_vampire> but for a probe I can use much bigger part
[01:27:34] <gregcnc> someone was asking about the small Haimer 3D Taster, I'd like one of those
[01:27:57] <archivist> the one in a TP2 probe has a 2mm thread in the middle
[01:29:19] <XXCoder> Just downloaded star castle for Atari. it was planned but never was made.. till one developer decided to do it few years ago
[01:29:36] <XXCoder> and it includes video on milling atari carditage heh
[01:29:47] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/698159145/atari-2600-star-castle/posts/1424356
[01:33:15] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Renishaw-TP2-CMM-Touch-Probe-Fully-Tested-and-Meets-Spec-with-90-Day-Warranty-/222063915374
[01:33:43] <gregcnc> was that router a 4060 or 6040 and did it cut the pcb too?
[01:34:03] <XXCoder> gregcnc: was that to me?
[01:34:12] <gregcnc> no
[01:34:17] <gregcnc> lol
[01:35:04] <gregcnc> it's movie time
[01:35:07] <pink_vampire> Current list price for this probe is $3640.00.
[01:35:12] <XXCoder> crazy
[01:35:16] <XXCoder> I'd not go for it
[01:35:19] <pink_vampire> like my whole machine
[01:35:25] <XXCoder> even if I have large mill cnc machine
[01:35:35] <XXCoder> $3,600 equals to 3 to 4 of my machine.
[01:36:17] <malcom2073> I've been eying up one of those $90 touch probes
[01:36:24] <malcom2073> Either that, or one of the xyz dial indicators
[01:36:25] <XXCoder> malcom2073: wireless?
[01:36:29] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Don't believe so
[01:36:38] <XXCoder> yea thats what really drives price up
[01:36:45] <XXCoder> xyz dial indictor?
[01:36:54] <malcom2073> XXCoder: the kind NYC CNC has on his tormach
[01:37:00] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Cnc-Z-Axis-Router-Mill-Touch-Plate-Mach3-Tool-Setting-Probe-Milling-DIY-Hot-/231855174881?hash=item35fba534e1:g:D2IAAOSwuAVWzlOm
[01:37:02] <XXCoder> any site explaining it?
[01:37:09] <andypugh> gregcnc: Did you read the thing on that mini-conrod page where he talks about putting ght M2 thread-mill down the hold for the first time. $250 thread-mill. 1.6 mm shank…
[01:37:14] <pink_vampire> how is that plate?
[01:37:16] <XXCoder> now that is something I can use
[01:37:27] <XXCoder> looks very strightforward
[01:37:38] <malcom2073> XXCoder: http://www.ebay.com/itm/131655561424?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[01:38:00] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: no no no.
[01:38:01] <XXCoder> that is.. different
[01:38:23] <XXCoder> I usually just use edge finders or dial test indictor if xy hole type
[01:38:40] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3D-Digitizing-Probe-Tip-with-1-8-ball-tip-tip-only-not-the-complete-probe-/331615987974?hash=item4d35da6906:m:mDptoCvMha-574SDLdkv5Gg
[01:38:44] <pink_vampire> WTF ^^
[01:38:56] <XXCoder> ball tip only
[01:39:15] <pink_vampire> look at the probe!!
[01:39:17] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3D-Digitizing-Probe-for-Mach3-Stepper-Motor-routers-Lowest-Cost-Qualityprobe/330685665791?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35934%26meid%3D8f39ef81b62648e9997029e6ac9e9770%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D331615987974
[01:39:22] <pink_vampire> WTF!!!!^^
[01:39:29] <malcom2073> lowest cost indeed
[01:39:36] <malcom2073> For that price I'd make my own heh
[01:39:42] <XXCoder> malcom2073: so how it works is deflection in case of x or y, and push in for Z>
[01:40:04] <bobo_> CaptHindsight: seems Dave at eevblog has solved his lack of space problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiEMSkVTHmQ also
[01:40:05] <XXCoder> make my own heh
[01:40:09] <XXCoder> just use NO switch
[01:40:10] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Looked that way
[01:40:36] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: N.C switch
[01:41:01] <XXCoder> either would work probably
[01:41:06] <pink_vampire> no!!
[01:41:09] <XXCoder> just trigger on edge change
[01:41:19] <pink_vampire> you have to make kinematic switch
[01:41:39] <pink_vampire> 6 balls + 3 rods
[01:41:50] <XXCoder> oh I was thinking for very simple Z probe
[01:42:01] <XXCoder> not fancy x, y, z probe
[01:42:50] <archivist> that plastic probe is revolting
[01:43:08] <XXCoder> malcom2073: did you ever see that awesome program that adjusts gcode to engrave any curved surface?
[01:43:08] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking about getting this one
[01:43:10] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Mill-Touch-Probe-Digitizing-1-4-adj-shank-for-Mach3-LinuxCNC-Router-shark-/141957245525?hash=item210d4faa55:g:mjEAAOSwosFUWrXz
[01:43:21] <malcom2073> XXCoder: nope
[01:43:28] <XXCoder> a sec
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[01:43:40] <XXCoder> http://www.scorchworks.com/Blog/auto-probing-with-g-code-ripper/
[01:43:43] <pink_vampire> or that one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-CNC-Digitizing-Touch-Probe-Toolsetter-3-8-adj-for-Mach3-Sherline-Taig/141957246419?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D35934%26meid%3Dc547620564dc45d9a744717043b4a8e7%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D141957245525
[01:43:53] <XXCoder> check out mouse. awesome! that is why I want a basic Z probe
[01:44:59] <archivist> XXCoder, get a normal probe, less breakable
[01:45:10] <XXCoder> maybe just NC button, with button modified into pointy. cost me nearly nothing
[01:46:08] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I will send you my probe free after I will have better one
[01:46:33] <XXCoder> nah pink your probe is likely to be far too long for my machine
[01:46:52] <XXCoder> height limit is 3 inches, subtract whatever stock height is
[01:47:20] <XXCoder> thanks though
[01:49:59] <XXCoder> heh https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1393731
[01:50:03] <XXCoder> if you has a 3d printer...
[01:50:19] <XXCoder> that looks to be real cheap (assuming already own printer)
[01:50:35] <XXCoder> ah
[01:50:44] <XXCoder> it uses magnets so its NO switch basically
[01:51:32] <bobo_> CaptHindsight: looking at -- http://www.tourbuzz.net/public/vtour/display/147151?a=1 -- it would seem there are other places to temp people wanting to leave the U.S. before the elections
[01:53:31] <archivist> XXCoder, read it again, the magnet replace the spring
[01:53:56] <XXCoder> yeah it stays seperate unless touch pushes it together
[01:54:08] <XXCoder> unless I misread lemme read again
[01:54:28] <archivist> still has wires for the contact
[01:54:33] <XXCoder> I know
[01:54:53] <XXCoder> magnets forced together and wired would signal contact
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[01:56:27] <XXCoder> ah found more pics
[01:57:11] <XXCoder> so interior has 2 pins and what looks like balls so it normally stays connected via magnets
[01:57:13] <XXCoder> NC that is
[01:57:21] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: the probe from thingiverse just look like JUNK
[01:57:42] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: its not fancy I agree but if has 3ed printer its vastly cheaper
[01:57:52] <XXCoder> I dont so mine will be even cruder lol
[01:58:37] <pink_vampire> bobo_: now the guy from evv blog got the place.
[01:59:17] <pink_vampire> did you ever use your machine?
[01:59:21] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[01:59:33] <XXCoder> yeah a little but no chips yet
[01:59:39] <XXCoder> I'm using today to plan one
[01:59:44] <malcom2073> A good first project would be to make a probe
[01:59:54] <XXCoder> malcom2073: did you check out link I pasted for you?
[02:00:19] <malcom2073> XXCoder: yeah
[02:00:26] <XXCoder> pretty nifty eh
[02:01:02] <malcom2073> Yeah interesting approach
[02:01:15] <pink_vampire> I want a cmm
[02:01:26] <pink_vampire> or 3d scanner
[02:01:50] <pink_vampire> 3d scanner will be much better for soft material
[02:01:57] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: My dad made a 3d scanner with a camera, turntable, and some software
[02:03:00] <XXCoder> one guy made a scanner using laser and camera
[02:03:09] <XXCoder> yet another used milk and camera
[02:03:12] <XXCoder> yes milk
[02:03:32] <pink_vampire> I need to scan large stuff
[02:03:53] <jdh> for your transporter?
[02:05:19] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: Then get a camera and a large turntable
[02:05:22] <malcom2073> the software doesn't care the size
[02:05:22] <XXCoder> cant find it, but basically guy used to scan toys using container, camera and milk
[02:05:31] <XXCoder> fill milk up a little, take pics, repeat
[02:05:48] <XXCoder> it figures out shapes near milk bordery
[02:05:55] <XXCoder> so it calculates 3d model
[02:06:49] <malcom2073> 10/10: Tried to scan an oreo cookie, turned out delicious
[02:07:04] <XXCoder> lol
[02:07:11] <bobo_> i think the "David" is/was a DIY 3D scanner
[02:07:34] <malcom2073> I thought David was a pay-for thing
[02:07:57] <bobo_> may be now
[02:08:09] <malcom2073> Yeah, the image processing approach is way better than the laser scanner, but requires significant processing power
[02:09:04] <XXCoder> found it!
[02:09:27] <pink_vampire> I need to scan something about 5-6 feet tall
[02:09:39] <XXCoder> actually that is more advanced than one I read, may be same guy but more experenced
[02:09:44] <XXCoder> http://www.instructables.com/id/GotMesh-the-Most-Cheap-and-Simplistic-3D-Scanner/
[02:09:58] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: I'll ask my dad what he uses. Like I said, you need a lot of processing power, but it's the highest quality and you can scan something of almost any size
[02:10:16] <XXCoder> 5-6 feet tall. human?
[02:10:44] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: mmm yes :)
[02:10:51] <XXCoder> lol ok
[02:11:53] <XXCoder> instructable is such a wonderful site with noscrpt
[02:11:53] <bobo_> David 3D scanner https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjO0pj0ypTMAhXH2yYKHYH0BpgQFghrMAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDavid_Laserscanner&usg=AFQjCNFEhpz-gUszEUC5qtveDzdwZ6T-9g
[02:11:55] <XXCoder> nopscript
[02:12:14] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/ORXsnfC.png
[02:12:57] <XXCoder> I cant type it. :P NoScript
[02:12:59] <XXCoder> finally
[02:13:25] <XXCoder> nice
[02:14:15] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: don't! say finally!!
[02:14:25] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: it was to myself
[02:14:31] <XXCoder> I finally typed that word correctly
[02:14:31] <pink_vampire> now I need to part it
[02:15:13] <pink_vampire> maybe with a slitting saw?
[02:16:32] <malcom2073> Or a lathe :P
[02:16:35] <XXCoder> theres another free one using xbox 3d thing
[02:16:42] <XXCoder> forgot what its called
[02:16:49] <malcom2073> Kinect
[02:16:54] <XXCoder> yea
[02:16:54] <malcom2073> the resolution on that is fairly poor though
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[02:17:14] <XXCoder> yeah not very good from what I see
[02:17:32] <XXCoder> though did you know there is bootleg 3d scans of historial objects?
[02:17:37] <XXCoder> they used kinectg
[02:17:56] <malcom2073> Like I said, pictures around the object and image processing, get damn good pictures
[02:18:27] <malcom2073> Structure From Motion
[02:18:29] <malcom2073> that's what it's called
[02:19:07] <pink_vampire> https://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=199
[02:19:18] <pink_vampire> I have this one
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[02:19:27] <pink_vampire> it can help me?
[02:20:52] <XXCoder> huh "1.38*0.79inch/3.5*2cm (D*H)"
[02:21:01] <XXCoder> thats supposed to be size but it is very unclear
[02:21:23] <XXCoder> I think ita 1.38 inches diameter and .79" height
[02:21:24] <pink_vampire> my stock diameter is 1/4"
[02:21:51] <pink_vampire> no it's 0.79" diameter
[02:21:54] <XXCoder> talking about http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Cnc-Z-Axis-Router-Mill-Touch-Plate-Mach3-Tool-Setting-Probe-Milling-DIY-Hot-/231855174881?hash=item35fba534e1:g:D2IAAOSwuAVWzlOm
[02:22:10] <pink_vampire> ok..
[02:22:32] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I've heard they're not very repeatable, the cheap ones
[02:22:53] <XXCoder> whats error range
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[02:23:30] <malcom2073> Won't find that in the spec heh
[02:23:37] <malcom2073> But for that price, might be worth getting one and trying
[02:23:41] <XXCoder> +- 5" then ;)
[02:24:00] <malcom2073> Oh come on, probably 0.5"
[02:24:03] <andypugh> pink_vampire: I don’t think that is what you want.
[02:24:15] <andypugh> How many of these are you making?
[02:24:18] <malcom2073> Due to the manual measurement and different measurement methods, please allow 2-3cm deviation.
[02:24:20] <malcom2073> HEh
[02:24:24] <malcom2073> So +/- 2-3cm
[02:24:27] <XXCoder> you sure its not 0.5'?
[02:24:27] <pink_vampire> I need just one
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[02:25:12] <XXCoder> malcom2073: 2 to 3 cm jeez
[02:25:15] <malcom2073> So is that thing on a rubber damper?
[02:25:16] <XXCoder> thats huge error
[02:25:20] <malcom2073> dampener
[02:25:29] <malcom2073> I don't think that's the error, I think that's the size measurement error
[02:25:29] <andypugh> In that case, drill a hole in a block of metal, drill and tap it for a screw, then put your thing in the hoile, and rub it on a sheet of abrasive paper.
[02:25:33] <malcom2073> when they measured the case :P
[02:25:57] <andypugh> Keep screwing the screw down until the part is the right thickness.
[02:26:37] <XXCoder> honestly all it needs is slowly lower z till contact is made
[02:26:53] <malcom2073> Right, I think the problem is that when it touches, it can move slightly
[02:26:53] <andypugh> That’s how I used to make the blanks for TEM specimens. (then they went on the dimple grinder to take out anouther 10 microns, then the ion mill for the next 100 nm
[02:26:57] <malcom2073> and doesn't always return to the same point
[02:27:34] <XXCoder> malcom2073: not if its rigid setr
[02:27:40] <XXCoder> meaning no springs so on
[02:27:45] <XXCoder> just solid wired block
[02:27:49] <malcom2073> XXCoder: But if it's rigid, you'd have to be moving *Really* slow so as to not dent it with your tool
[02:27:54] <andypugh> pink_vampire: Or, set the thing in epoxy, machine it, burn off the epoxy.
[02:27:55] <XXCoder> though that gives trouble with tool damage
[02:28:08] <malcom2073> Which is why I thought most of them were spring loaded
[02:28:30] <XXCoder> malcom2073: maybe really soft metal
[02:28:33] <andypugh> When they make turbine blades for jet engines they cast them into an alloy to grip them, they are such a funny shape.
[02:28:33] <XXCoder> like lead
[02:28:36] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Soft metal would be bad
[02:28:40] <malcom2073> would get inaccurate as you dent it
[02:28:43] <pink_vampire> it's hard as rock
[02:28:45] <malcom2073> better would be metal on top of a rubber stopper
[02:29:04] <XXCoder> rigid rubber maybe
[02:29:10] <malcom2073> Right have to be
[02:29:15] <malcom2073> maybe cheap rubber == inaccuracies?
[02:29:15] <XXCoder> it would deform a little preventing tool damage
[02:29:29] <XXCoder> rubber has to be "preloaded" too
[02:29:35] <XXCoder> so it returns to same place
[02:29:40] <malcom2073> Like a spring yeah
[02:29:45] <pink_vampire> because it hard it brittle
[02:30:21] <XXCoder> can be very thin actually
[02:30:35] <malcom2073> Would onyl have to move so far as your mill takes to stop heh
[02:30:40] <XXCoder> 5 mm of fairly rigid rubber then another few mm of meta;
[02:31:13] <malcom2073> I've thought about making one with rubber, be better than a spring
[02:31:33] <XXCoder> it can be anything really
[02:31:47] <XXCoder> as long as it returns to top (has to be preloaded at all time)
[02:31:54] <andypugh> pink_vampire: This is tiny-parts-man making a tiny part. The last process is what you sort-of want.
[02:32:26] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOPW4-WRRMs
[02:33:42] <andypugh> Worth noting that he makes tiny parts on a big machine.
[02:34:40] <malcom2073> CNC makes making tiny things on big machines significantly easier
[02:34:49] <gregcnc> I don't think parts that size are at all unusual for that machine
[02:36:01] <gregcnc> those hsk flanges are expensive, but you can find them on ebay sometimes
[02:36:34] <malcom2073> I like that machine
[02:36:43] <andypugh> He has a Cowells tiny-lathe too. He took some convincing that the Hardinge could do the job better. But with the linear guides it works to microns.
[02:37:19] <andypugh> Well, maybe half-dozens of microns.
[02:37:43] <andypugh> I believe he is very happy with it.
[02:37:58] <pink_vampire> andypugh: he use very impressive lathe, I have only the G0704
[02:38:01] <andypugh> I hope I will be as happy with my Holbrook :-)
[02:38:16] <malcom2073> Someday i'll have a nice cnc lathe to go with my mill heh
[02:38:23] <andypugh> pink_vampire: I think his budget is higher than yours.
[02:38:38] <pink_vampire> :(
[02:39:04] <andypugh> This is the workshop he built to put his lathe in…. https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Roj?authkey=Gv1sRgCJbSsrD-kfr3Hg#5951771392528865250
[02:39:44] <malcom2073> Very clean
[02:39:46] <malcom2073> too lean
[02:39:47] <malcom2073> clean*
[02:40:03] <andypugh> It was freshly-built at the time.
[02:40:38] <andypugh> My point is that he has a larger-than usual budget for his hobby
[02:41:09] <malcom2073> Someday I'll win the lottery.
[02:41:18] <pink_vampire> andypugh: it's yours?
[02:41:47] <andypugh> No, I am much less wealthy than him
[02:42:06] <pink_vampire> what do you have?
[02:42:34] <XXCoder> heh I'd love to win a big lotter
[02:43:31] <andypugh> pink_vampire: Latest pic of my current project: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6273934017651515538 with the cheap chinese thing in the background.
[02:43:51] <malcom2073> andypugh: You got something cast for that yeah?
[02:44:01] <andypugh> I moved it to the other wall today, but no photos yet
[02:44:07] <malcom2073> Your monitor is oddly backwards heh
[02:44:44] <andypugh> Yes, I had a bunch of castings made: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6230479127730875154
[02:44:51] <pink_vampire> andypugh: very nice shop
[02:45:03] <malcom2073> Heh nice
[02:45:15] <XXCoder> andypugh: why is lathe front towards wall?
[02:45:21] <XXCoder> fixinf stuff there?
[02:45:30] <pink_vampire> cast iron?
[02:45:50] <andypugh> Yes, cast iron.
[02:46:07] <pink_vampire> very impressive!!
[02:46:20] <andypugh> XXCoder: Because I was painting the back :-) (also working on the drive train).
[02:46:27] <XXCoder> cool
[02:46:38] <XXCoder> nice indeed
[02:46:44] <pink_vampire> andypugh: I can order a part from your shop?
[02:47:04] <pink_vampire> I need nice solid base + Z axis for my machine :)
[02:47:20] <malcom2073> Heh, shipping would be hell
[02:47:30] <andypugh> XXCoder: Yes, fixing the Variator: http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/holbrook6.html
[02:48:08] <malcom2073> That's a slick transmission
[02:48:15] <XXCoder> 200kg
[02:48:17] <XXCoder> heavy.
[02:48:26] <andypugh> pink_vampire: My workshop is a single garage. It contains 2 lathes, a mill, a motorcycle, a bicycle and a workbench. It’s tight.
[02:49:28] <pink_vampire> my shope is G0704 , no lathe
[02:50:08] <pink_vampire> shop*
[02:50:17] <andypugh> I thought I would get the X axis moving today, but it turned out that the used motorcycle spares I am using were mis-matched. Yamaha changed the cam-chain width between 2002 and 2004.
[02:51:29] <andypugh> pink_vampire: You can use a mill as a lathe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rwoD2vZUl0 This is using the horizontal spindle on my mill, but you can use a vertical too
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[02:52:03] <XXCoder> oh yeah forgot that little trick
[02:53:46] <malcom2073> Yeah I'm not able to visualize how that variator
[02:53:48] <malcom2073> works
[02:54:56] <pink_vampire> I need EDM
[02:55:44] <pink_vampire> I have here 12V 30A power supply
[02:55:50] <pink_vampire> DC
[02:56:01] <pink_vampire> 1" H rail
[02:56:08] <pink_vampire> dc motor.
[02:56:28] <pink_vampire> and some how I want to make sink edm..
[02:57:14] <andypugh> malcom2073: It is like this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NuVinci_Continuously_Variable_Transmission but the NuVinci seem to have turned it inside out to avoid patents
[02:57:42] <malcom2073> andypugh: Ohhhh
[02:57:43] <malcom2073> interesting
[03:01:40] <pink_vampire> https://youtu.be/C_3d6GntKbk?t=49 - electric tape in her hair
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[03:07:07] <XXCoder> this guys a idiot. https://youtu.be/cPcuFHIVUcI
[03:07:25] <XXCoder> and yes he is deaf
[03:08:19] <andypugh> Was he deafened by a bizarre lave accident?
[03:08:34] <XXCoder> maybe? lol
[03:08:58] <XXCoder> this just goes to show that deaf people is as varied
[03:09:14] <XXCoder> my high school classmate shot his wife and kid, then himself
[03:09:45] <andypugh> Sucessfully?
[03:09:53] <XXCoder> well yes
[03:10:00] <andypugh> :-(
[03:10:03] <XXCoder> theyre all dead
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[03:11:31] <XXCoder> I have met people who think all deaf is this same person, slightly retarded
[03:11:55] <XXCoder> and no matter how long been working on job, need explict instructions because deaf is dumb
[03:12:15] <andypugh> Even dumb isn’t always dumb
[03:13:10] <XXCoder> have you heard of confirmation bias?
[03:13:25] <andypugh> As in, it’s a bit unfair that the same word means “stupid” and “unable to speak”
[03:13:45] <XXCoder> dumb meaning mute havent been really in strong usage for long while now
[03:18:42] <andypugh> XXCoder: Have you always been deaf?
[03:18:50] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:18:56] <XXCoder> nerves just didnt connect
[03:20:36] <andypugh> Does that possibly explain why you typed “a idiot” rather than “an idiot”. Though that is more about speaking than listening.
[03:20:54] <pink_vampire> amazing stupidity
[03:21:02] <XXCoder> well yes asl dont have much grammar rules
[03:22:29] <XXCoder> andypugh: taken literally, saying "we need to go to store and buy food" would be "we need go store buy food"
[03:24:01] <XXCoder> "TO" is sometimes used to add hmm "accent" like "we need TO GO to store buy food"
[03:24:35] <andypugh> How different is BSL and ASL?
[03:24:51] <evil_ren> they sign solor with a u
[03:25:07] <andypugh> More different than US Englsh and UK English?
[03:25:20] <XXCoder> andypugh: some signs is familiar, but quite different. I mean very different.
[03:25:32] <XXCoder> fingerspell is not even remotely same
[03:26:06] <andypugh> That’s quite strange.
[03:26:12] <XXCoder> funny thing ASL itself is made from whatcould be termed "WASL" and "BASL"
[03:26:18] <XXCoder> combined together
[03:26:24] <XXCoder> white asl and black ask
[03:26:26] <XXCoder> asl
[03:26:41] <XXCoder> there was two variants because segration was still ongoing
[03:27:04] <XXCoder> white version was more rigid form than black version which is awesome flowing style
[03:27:10] <andypugh> Interesting historical artefact
[03:27:27] <XXCoder> I'd say current style is somewhat closer to "BASL"
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[03:28:17] <andypugh> I find this interesting, but I will find it even more interesting at a future time when it is not 0430. I am wilting badly.
[03:28:22] <XXCoder> yeah I fairly watched a asl video thats over 100 years old
[03:28:42] <andypugh> Talk later, need sleep.
[03:28:43] <XXCoder> he was very understandable though quite strong "accent" and archic signs
[03:28:46] <XXCoder> later andypugh
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[03:39:19] <XXCoder> lol
[03:39:33] <XXCoder> one of videos is some guy just playing with spider
[03:39:38] <XXCoder> real spinder on montior
[03:39:40] <XXCoder> spider
[03:39:45] <XXCoder> its attacking cursor
[03:44:15] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/9aqe7lJ.png
[03:44:26] <XXCoder> a rail
[03:44:37] <pink_vampire> I did it
[03:44:38] <XXCoder> what about it
[03:44:49] <XXCoder> you made a model of it?
[03:44:52] <pink_vampire> I did the 3d model
[03:44:53] <pink_vampire> yes
[03:44:55] <XXCoder> nice
[03:45:19] <pink_vampire> so,, this is the base for the sink edm...
[03:45:25] <pink_vampire> 1" travel
[03:46:19] <XXCoder> pretty short
[03:46:31] <pink_vampire> for sink edm???
[03:47:24] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2njSX52SQo ?
[03:47:41] <pink_vampire> yes
[03:47:54] <XXCoder> trying to figure what its doing
[03:48:14] <XXCoder> yummy Coke ;)
[03:48:53] <XXCoder> is it arcing?
[03:49:00] <XXCoder> cutting using electricity
[03:49:06] <pink_vampire> it's eroded the metal
[03:50:41] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3hEXA_q-dE
[03:52:57] <XXCoder> so youre making one?
[03:53:14] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: ping
[03:53:32] <XXCoder> Jymmm: ponmg
[03:53:40] <XXCoder> hmm you may have hosts issue ;)
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[04:09:48] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Illuminated http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrvial-DC-12-32V-Waterproof-Universal-Car-Charger-Vehicle-Dual-USB-Charger-2-Port-Power/32524497188.html
[04:11:32] <XXCoder> waterproof
[04:12:03] <XXCoder> isnt socket itself very much not waterproof?
[04:12:34] <XXCoder> ah thought it was a cig recharger
[04:12:41] <XXCoder> it replaces it or what?
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[04:24:00] <XXCoder> I need this http://www.myfoodsniffer.com/
[04:25:11] <XXCoder> yeah not paying, its such overpriced
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[04:28:09] <pink_vampire> I machined off a screw from a motor, and now I need to get new screw but I have no idea what is the size of it,
[04:28:19] <pink_vampire> any idea how to identify it?
[04:28:30] <XXCoder> bring it to lowes or something
[04:28:37] <XXCoder> they always has chart of screw sizes so on
[04:28:41] <XXCoder> so you can test fit
[04:29:04] <pink_vampire> it 2.45mm diameter
[04:29:54] <pink_vampire> maybe 0.5 pitch
[04:30:03] <pink_vampire> maybe it's m2.5
[04:30:29] <XXCoder> or maybe its one of inch ones heh
[04:32:40] <pink_vampire> no it's smallll
[04:33:02] <XXCoder> I meant bolt that uses inch units
[04:33:14] <XXCoder> wish I had bolt sizes chart with me
[04:33:31] <pink_vampire> it's from that kind of part http://www.ebay.com/itm/320889517981
[04:35:11] <XXCoder> interesting
[04:35:15] <XXCoder> whats you making with it
[04:37:02] <pink_vampire> sink edm
[04:37:39] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[04:49:34] <pink_vampire> yeah..
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[05:09:55] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/uuBCf0R.png
[05:09:57] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[05:10:20] <XXCoder> still designing it eh
[05:10:25] <XXCoder> I guess it is small?
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[05:11:51] <pink_vampire> the whole rail top to bottom is 60mm
[05:17:33] <XXCoder> cool
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[05:29:48] <pink_vampire> I did the screw
[05:29:58] <pink_vampire> now I need to make the nut for it
[05:30:33] <XXCoder> so far, most jobs have terms that sound vaguely dirty.
[05:30:34] <pink_vampire> I'm going to use 10-32 screw
[05:30:44] <XXCoder> that includes IT, CS and machinist jobs
[05:31:11] <pink_vampire> yeah.. it like that..
[05:31:35] <XXCoder> finger yes finger finger mount fsck fsck
[05:31:46] <XXCoder> legit linux terminal commands heh
[05:32:09] <XXCoder> other command is touch
[05:38:44] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure what do you mean
[05:39:00] <XXCoder> above is legal linux commands that sound dirty
[05:39:51] <XXCoder> finger is old command to get information, yes is special command to answer "y" to all questiosn for say installation, mount is mount disk command, and fsck is filesystem check
[05:39:57] <XXCoder> touch creates file
[05:40:43] <XXCoder> if you use "yes" it will spam "y" till you hit ctrl-c lol
[05:56:08] <pink_vampire> ok...
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[06:04:44] <pink_vampire> I did one more part
[06:05:12] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure what to do with the motor
[06:05:26] <XXCoder> positioning of it?
[06:06:23] <pink_vampire> I have just 4mm between the motor to the back of the rail
[06:06:25] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/4oXVeyF.png
[06:07:08] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[06:07:27] <XXCoder> that can be a problem
[06:07:59] <XXCoder> is motor to mown up and down with z?
[06:08:01] <XXCoder> move
[06:08:59] <pink_vampire> the motor and the rail should be fixed
[06:09:11] <XXCoder> then just move it higher a little
[06:09:21] <XXCoder> more room above
[06:09:39] <XXCoder> can even flip motor (though you will need to reverse z direction
[06:10:06] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking about using a jam nut
[06:11:01] <XXCoder> it stops other nut from moving?
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[06:11:06] <XXCoder> not sure what jam nut is
[06:12:44] <pink_vampire> it a nut but thin one
[06:12:55] <XXCoder> yea saw it on google
[06:13:11] <pink_vampire> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/images/nuts.jpg
[06:14:36] <archivist> lock nut
[06:15:11] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: 4 mm is too thin a wall between rail and motor
[06:15:23] <XXCoder> you may have to put motor in upside down
[06:15:26] <pink_vampire> lock is too thick
[06:15:28] <XXCoder> so it has more room
[06:15:36] <pink_vampire> https://fci.thomasnet-navigator.com/cache/Geomstore/20160417-021437-88514473.pdf
[06:15:41] <pink_vampire> this is M3.5
[06:15:49] <pink_vampire> it's 2.8mm thick
[06:16:00] <pink_vampire> and it's a regular hex nut.
[06:16:25] <pink_vampire> it's give me 1.2mm of wall
[06:16:40] <pink_vampire> I think it will be ok.
[06:20:59] <archivist> lock nut is any nut locking another, does not have to be one with plastic or a cut or castelation
[06:21:25] <XXCoder> archivist: yeah but then theres also thin ones used specifically for that
[06:21:29] <XXCoder> jam nut
[06:21:38] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:22:05] <archivist> been around for eons, calling them a jam nut is new
[06:22:24] <pink_vampire> https://www.fastenal.com/products?r=~|categoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22600072%20Nuts%22|~
[06:23:27] <pink_vampire> archivist: ^
[06:25:37] <XXCoder> "weld nuts" looks familiar to my router T nuts
[06:25:44] <XXCoder> (cheap type)
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[06:26:54] <pink_vampire> mmm
[06:27:20] <pink_vampire> m3.5 it's very uncommon screw!
[06:27:57] <pink_vampire> maybe to go with m3?
[06:28:14] <XXCoder> more common means easier to find
[06:28:24] <XXCoder> so I'd say yes.
[06:28:39] <XXCoder> maybe its bit weaker but probably fine
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[06:29:34] <pink_vampire> I'm going to make a slot and press fit the rail
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[06:57:00] <Deejay> moin
[06:57:06] <XXCoder> yo
[06:57:14] <pink_vampire> Deejay:
[06:57:16] <pink_vampire> !!
[06:57:20] <Deejay> hi :)
[06:59:22] <pink_vampire> I need to solve how to connect the lead screw to the motor
[07:00:21] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/TtSaSa2.png
[07:01:37] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/bswodVV.png
[07:01:46] <pink_vampire> from the front side ^
[07:02:11] <pink_vampire> Deejay: what do you think about my Z axis?
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[07:03:03] <Deejay> you need a belt ;)
[07:03:19] <XXCoder> looks better yeah
[07:03:30] <pink_vampire> I know..
[07:04:01] <XXCoder> well its great I think
[07:04:06] <XXCoder> lock nuts to hold big gear
[07:04:15] <XXCoder> belt and it should work
[07:04:26] <pink_vampire> ok.. 2 lock nuts..
[07:04:32] <XXCoder> though lead screw need to be somehow secured
[07:04:38] <pink_vampire> but I need to mount it on something..
[07:04:39] <XXCoder> right now its basically held by nothing
[07:04:56] <pink_vampire> maybe to use a bearing?
[07:05:17] <XXCoder> change that block that holds motor to extend L style to lead screw
[07:05:24] <XXCoder> then bearing hold system there
[07:05:43] <XXCoder> not sure how to make it nice and stiff
[07:06:43] <pink_vampire> I need something with 3/16" ID
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[08:26:59] <pink_vampire> ?
[08:28:23] <XXCoder> yeah?
[08:33:18] <XXCoder> still working on design?
[08:33:29] <pink_vampire> almost done
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[08:46:27] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/9ekK0cr.png
[08:46:34] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[08:46:49] <XXCoder> thats nice and rigid
[08:47:05] <pink_vampire> I hope..
[08:47:06] <XXCoder> maybe add small trangle support at back
[08:47:15] <XXCoder> make it bit stiffer
[08:47:21] <pink_vampire> what do you mean?
[08:47:50] <XXCoder> wedge that holds on to both vertical and horziobal surfaces
[08:48:03] <XXCoder> makign sure they dont bend in respect to each other
[08:48:23] <XXCoder> if you could make uit small enough it can fir inside too
[08:48:27] <XXCoder> fit
[08:48:46] <pink_vampire> I'm going to jb-weld it..
[08:48:58] <pink_vampire> so it's not going to move at all
[08:49:04] <XXCoder> cool
[08:49:20] <XXCoder> jb weld is type that can be undone correct?
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[08:50:45] <pink_vampire> you can brake it with impact
[08:50:55] <XXCoder> cool
[08:51:08] <XXCoder> so it needs bolts. jb weld + bolts = pretty damn tough
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[08:52:56] <pink_vampire> now I'm working on the belt tensioner
[08:53:21] <XXCoder> curious what is that "tab" on bottom of Z moving plate
[08:54:47] <pink_vampire> you mean the slot at the lead nut?
[08:55:20] <pink_vampire> it for backless reduction.
[08:55:26] <XXCoder> the metal slab that moves down and up, connected to lead screw
[08:55:33] <XXCoder> ah so its basically anti-backlash
[08:55:38] <pink_vampire> there is a set screw on the bottom
[08:55:55] <pink_vampire> yes.
[08:55:58] <XXCoder> adding load?
[08:56:01] <XXCoder> preload
[08:56:47] <pink_vampire> not much just close a bit on the thread
[08:57:11] <XXCoder> nice
[08:57:20] <XXCoder> learning a bit from your design process
[08:57:44] <XXCoder> I'm still figuring how to pattern holes on my gage rod holder
[08:58:08] <XXCoder> should be able to hold few different sizes, with "go" side and "no go"
[08:59:30] <pink_vampire> gage rod holder ?
[08:59:35] <pink_vampire> what is that?
[08:59:42] <XXCoder> nothing complex really
[08:59:53] <XXCoder> just hold rod gage for me so it dont roll around
[09:00:07] <XXCoder> I have nylon plastic disk 100mm
[09:00:16] <XXCoder> its scrap from old job heh
[09:01:12] <XXCoder> I have 20 of em but plan to use one for rod holder
[09:02:00] <pink_vampire> so you want to make something like a stand?
[09:02:12] <XXCoder> yeah
[09:05:23] <pink_vampire> what do you want to hold?
[09:05:30] <XXCoder> rod gage
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[09:05:37] <XXCoder> probably wrong name
[09:05:45] <XXCoder> round gages that check hole size
[09:07:01] <pink_vampire> you have the round gages? or you want to make them?
[09:08:06] <XXCoder> work has lots of em
[09:09:38] <pink_vampire> so you just need to make bunch of holes
[09:09:53] <pink_vampire> I did something like that
[09:10:03] <pink_vampire> let me take a pic for you
[09:10:13] <XXCoder> yeah just thinking on layout and sizes heh
[09:10:22] <XXCoder> it will be mostly .3"
[09:10:29] <XXCoder> few larger though
[09:10:35] <XXCoder> some .5 and 2 1"
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[09:13:33] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: http://i.imgur.com/igjLbXF.png
[09:13:53] <XXCoder> concerete heh nice
[09:15:17] <pink_vampire> I was one of my first jobs on the cnc
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[09:17:57] <XXCoder> nice
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[09:19:22] <pink_vampire> do the same :)
[09:20:50] <XXCoder> dont have those socket wenches funnily heh
[09:20:57] <XXCoder> but gage rod one is good start
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[09:34:14] <pink_vampire> what cad program are you using?
[09:35:54] <XXCoder> freecad
[09:36:43] <pink_vampire> omg
[09:36:56] <pink_vampire> I hope it got better
[09:37:25] <XXCoder> its pretty good
[09:37:30] <XXCoder> its cam sucks though
[09:41:53] <pink_vampire> do you have something to show?
[09:42:03] <XXCoder> soonish, just figuring what next
[09:42:19] <XXCoder> it has 8 .3" blind holes and 6 .5" blind holes
[09:43:57] <pink_vampire> make the 2d sketch for the whole thing and extrude it
[09:43:58] <XXCoder> nope cant fit any 1" holder lol but then above .5" size is very rarely used for me
[09:44:04] <XXCoder> its already 3d
[09:44:20] <pink_vampire> then extrude cut the circles
[09:44:25] <XXCoder> ah yes few .1" holes in fairly rare tiny holes
[09:44:36] <XXCoder> already pocketed em too
[09:44:45] <XXCoder> plenty of room for tiny sizes
[09:45:22] <pink_vampire> do it in a way that it will be easy to hold them
[09:45:33] <XXCoder> indeed
[09:45:48] <XXCoder> adding 4 of .2 and 4 of .15"
[09:45:57] <XXCoder> oh hmm not sure if my em can cut em
[09:46:36] <pink_vampire> em?
[09:46:44] <XXCoder> smallest I have (that is not riciously tiny) is .18" that should be ok
[09:46:46] <XXCoder> endmill
[09:46:56] <pink_vampire> post a pic of the design.
[09:47:48] <XXCoder> currently adding few more holes (small ones)
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[09:52:11] <pink_vampire> I'm curious to see...
[09:52:36] <XXCoder> yeah will as soon as finish placing holes
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[09:53:33] <XXCoder> finally done
[09:53:36] <XXCoder> taking pic
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[09:57:06] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: http://picpaste.com/holder-uBrr8l8O.png
[09:58:01] <XXCoder> hole in middle is pre-existing
[09:58:16] <XXCoder> its already round like that too so cant design square lol
[09:58:48] <XXCoder> groove in center is to seperate go and no go
[09:58:50] <pink_vampire> is not going to be easy the grab the small ones on the middle
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[09:59:23] <pink_vampire> add engraving with the diameter
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[09:59:43] <XXCoder> nah I plan to use brown tape write numbers because it will change often
[10:00:22] <XXCoder> inside is .2", bottom .3" top .5"
[10:00:28] <XXCoder> should cover most sizes I usually need
[10:01:01] <XXCoder> larger than .5 I'll just leave on table when I need, and return to pin gage box when done
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[10:01:53] <XXCoder> I plan to engrave my name though
[10:01:59] <XXCoder> both on top and bottom
[10:02:33] <XXCoder> thnkfully old fadal machine has built in engrave functions so I dont need to add that
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[10:05:08] <pink_vampire> sound very nice project
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[10:05:27] <XXCoder> yeah pretty strightforward
[10:08:36] <pink_vampire> I'm working on some sheet metal
[10:09:06] <XXCoder> yeah? making something?
[10:10:48] <pink_vampire> 3d model
[10:10:55] <XXCoder> cool
[10:11:12] <XXCoder> one of stuff I wanted to do is build largish statue using wood layers
[10:11:45] <pink_vampire> largish statue???
[10:12:18] <pink_vampire> I mean way do you want to do it?
[10:12:32] <XXCoder> fun really
[10:12:41] <XXCoder> "largish" meaning maybe 2 foot or so
[10:12:54] <XXCoder> large would be 3 to 4 feet and huge past that
[10:14:49] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ0d5wFjXQI
[10:15:04] <pink_vampire> what kind of statue?
[10:15:13] <XXCoder> actually havent decided
[10:15:19] <XXCoder> maybe lego minifig
[10:15:27] <pink_vampire> me!
[10:15:33] <XXCoder> it can be sliced and plenty 3d models of it exist
[10:16:22] <XXCoder> in fact I designed ldraw to dxf million years ago heh (not literally million)
[10:16:25] <pink_vampire> do a statue of me
[10:16:43] <XXCoder> lol nah not much given to statues of women (or males for that matter)
[10:17:17] <pink_vampire> http://technabob.com/blog/2013/12/24/3d-printed-jumbo-lego-minifigs/
[10:17:20] <XXCoder> thats pretty cheap method to do diving system
[10:20:48] <pink_vampire> but not very acurate
[10:21:42] <XXCoder> yeah depends on what guy tolence range is
[10:21:49] <XXCoder> if its say .1mm then whatever
[10:22:52] <pink_vampire> servo drive lathe
[10:23:46] <XXCoder> I hate it when someone uses autofocus and leaves it on
[10:23:57] <XXCoder> so it constanually refocus
[10:25:19] <XXCoder> ohh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQmlXJVo9LE
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[10:35:34] <pink_vampire> how he can solder aluminum??
[10:35:49] <XXCoder> alum can be soldered just not easy
[10:36:03] <XXCoder> wow you watch video faster than me lol
[10:36:14] <XXCoder> hes now making spacers here
[10:37:47] <XXCoder> assembling
[10:37:52] <pink_vampire> I jump
[10:38:03] <XXCoder> yeah figured that, was joking a bit :)
[10:39:10] <XXCoder> argh I hate auto focus
[10:39:31] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mg4THnpbus
[10:43:03] <XXCoder> watching now
[10:43:13] <XXCoder> ah earlier version
[10:44:53] <XXCoder> heh it easily burns though wood
[10:45:31] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVEf7PfuKxo
[10:46:03] <pink_vampire> I did something like that as a kid
[10:46:34] <XXCoder> heres one simple trick you can do
[10:46:37] <XXCoder> grab a brad nail
[10:46:53] <XXCoder> small magnet (tiny maybe 5 mm one)
[10:46:58] <XXCoder> must be metal covered
[10:47:25] <XXCoder> make sure brad using magnet at bottom can stick to battery by magnet alone
[10:47:45] <XXCoder> touch other side battery with wire, and touch other side on magnet
[10:47:49] <XXCoder> it will spin so fast
[10:48:08] <XXCoder> it will also wear down magnet metal covering lol
[10:48:17] <XXCoder> dont do it with your favorite magnet ;)
[10:48:25] <pink_vampire> ok,,,
[10:48:30] <XXCoder> *brad nail, that thin nail
[10:48:58] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure why I will want to do it..
[10:49:16] <XXCoder> its fairly strange and one of earlist form of electric motor
[10:49:45] <XXCoder> this is another form of that motor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94RpbYopUdI
[10:50:06] <pink_vampire> I know that
[10:50:17] <pink_vampire> I did it as a small kid
[10:50:23] <XXCoder> sadly I never did
[10:50:33] <XXCoder> too poor lol
[10:51:04] <pink_vampire> heh
[10:51:59] <XXCoder> that looks quite strightforward
[10:52:04] <XXCoder> bending acrylic
[10:55:50] <pink_vampire> I did it in the past but now I'm thinking about that as an option to make 3d parts from thin sheet of acrylic
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[11:05:51] <XXCoder> bends isnt pro quality but dang good for extude beam, some wood and hacky wiring
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[11:06:52] <pink_vampire|2> my net droped
[11:07:33] <pink_vampire|2> XXCoder: you can resend your messages?
[11:07:37] <XXCoder> yeah nobody said anything between you leave and enter
[11:07:43] <XXCoder> last thing before I said...
[11:07:45] <XXCoder> bends isnt pro quality but dang good for extude beam, some wood and hacky wiring
[11:08:05] <XXCoder> you said thinking about making 3d parts from thin sheet of acryliuc
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[11:12:31] <pink_vampire|2> the sheet metal is very easy to use
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[11:13:01] <pink_vampire|2> and it's very nice that you get the flat sheet, so you can cnc it.
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[11:42:24] <jsskangas> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Lay0otWX
[11:42:35] <jsskangas> Hello
[11:43:24] <jsskangas> Im looking a mini itx board with pci or pcie port to my new lathe project
[11:43:52] <jsskangas> I bought a new China cnc lathe without control
[11:44:29] <jsskangas> It was one of those must buy situations.
[11:45:21] <jsskangas> Single 12vdc suply and good latency is one of the priorities
[11:47:35] <jsskangas> Something that is still available?
[11:48:09] <jsskangas> plan is to run 10.04 ubuntu in it.
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[11:53:23] <pink_vampire> hi again
[11:53:29] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/hhXvaVR.png
[11:53:34] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
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[12:41:27] <JT-Shop> BP almost back up but I get and error on bootup with the J1900 and 10.04
[12:41:42] <JT-Shop> and no mouse
[12:42:02] <JT-Shop> and no touch screen
[12:42:29] <skunkworks> usb's I don't think worked with the j1900 and 10.04.
[12:43:12] <skunkworks> I think someone on the devel list got it working with wheezy
[12:43:59] <JT-Shop> thanks
[12:44:38] <JT-Shop> upgrade hell again :(
[12:44:41] <zeeshan> :)
[12:45:09] <zeeshan> jt i might need you to make me some parts on your lathe :)
[12:45:25] <JT-Shop> at least it is working lol
[12:50:19] <JT-Shop> hmm I wonder if I have a case the Zotac will fit in... that would save me time
[12:51:10] <zeeshan> jt upgrading from 10.04 isnt too bad is it?
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[13:04:06] * Encapsulation 's eyes dart wildy around the room, noticing the many clods of hair ripped out during the hours of exhaustive research
[13:04:39] * Encapsulation goes back to researching
[13:05:03] <jthornton> the gigabyte is a pcie and I don't have any 6i25's, the zotac doesn't have a serial port on the rear panel, my serial thingy has one pin blocked, the header on the zotac is 9 pin, the case is low profile I don't have any low profile brackets...........................................
[13:05:18] * Deejay shaves Encapsulation's head
[13:05:38] <jthornton> zeeshan: I have a touch screen so I have no clue how much fun that would be lol
[13:05:45] <zeeshan> oh
[13:05:49] * jthornton looks for some gas and a match
[13:05:53] <zeeshan> haha
[13:07:16] <jthornton> the asus mb doesn't have a serial header...
[13:10:59] <Encapsulation> asus sucks
[13:11:11] * _methods looks for more gas
[13:11:16] <_methods> it's still alive
[13:12:50] <Encapsulation> worst customer service I've ever experienced
[13:13:43] <Encapsulation> they sent the mobo back still broken
[13:15:06] <jthornton> I found piles of 5 1/4 floppy drives, 3 1/2 floppy drives, 50 hard drives, a 486 mb, tons of crap but no serial thingy without a pin blocked
[13:16:19] * Encapsulation dials in to his favorite BBS
[13:16:41] <jthornton> seb invited me to work on the web page but it is done in jekyll and that won't work on linuxmint................................
[13:17:28] <jthornton> I'm beginning to understand peoples frustrations with linux in general
[13:17:54] <Encapsulation> linuxmint .... meh
[13:17:59] <Encapsulation> arch 4 life
[13:18:05] <Encapsulation> debian if server
[13:18:19] <Encapsulation> if I want mint I'll buy a pack of gum
[13:18:25] <jthornton> debian sucks as an operating system
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[13:19:26] <Encapsulation> thats...laughable
[13:19:27] <Encapsulation> but ok
[13:19:45] <Encapsulation> I will defend to the death your right to that opinion, good sir.
[13:20:53] <jthornton> if you have been a linux guru for 30 years I assume debian is ok
[13:21:16] <jthornton> your used to all the permission hell and tricky login screens
[13:21:43] <jthornton> and all the problems just trying to share a file between computers in your shop
[13:22:06] <Encapsulation> I operate my debian server entirely via command line
[13:22:15] <jthornton> exactly
[13:22:20] <Encapsulation> and sharing files between networked linux machines is trivial using scp
[13:22:59] <jthornton> trivial only if your a linux guru
[13:23:11] <jthornton> if your fresh it is impossible
[13:23:19] <Encapsulation> that's simply not true
[13:23:37] <Encapsulation> the syntax for scp is simple and examples are widely available
[13:24:14] <Encapsulation> http://www.hypexr.org/linux_scp_help.php
[13:24:19] <jthornton> if a new user can't click on the file manager then it is impossible
[13:24:35] <Encapsulation> forget file managers and all of that gui nonsense if youre new to linux
[13:24:41] <Encapsulation> you're defeating the whole purpose
[13:24:54] <jthornton> I've been using linux since ubuntu 6.06 and I've never heard of or needed scp
[13:25:10] <Sync> wat
[13:25:12] <Encapsulation> ...
[13:25:14] <jthornton> the whole purpose is to make it difficult
[13:26:56] <Encapsulation> not true at all
[13:27:09] <Encapsulation> the best advice I can give you for now is to learn the shell
[13:27:16] <Encapsulation> relying totally on the gui will hold you back big time
[13:27:22] <Encapsulation> and you may as well just install windows + mach3
[13:28:31] <jthornton> that's the reason most mark users use it
[13:30:54] <Sync> which is great, everybody should use whaat floats his boat. but different systems are different so eh
[13:31:50] <archivist> linux is a unix like system, one has to adjust
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[13:36:14] <Encapsulation> http://linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php
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[13:54:34] <Tom_itx> i think linux and windows should combine then we could have a pile of bloatware that nobody could figure out how to use
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[14:03:40] <pink_vampire> for rendering I need better cpu or better graphic card?
[14:03:57] <Tom_itx> yes
[14:04:14] <Encapsulation> cpu I thought? but maybe you can use gfx cards for rendering jobs these days?
[14:04:20] <Encapsulation> not my area of expertise
[14:04:41] <Encapsulation> I'm assuming you mean pre-rendering
[14:04:57] <pink_vampire> no
[14:05:13] <pink_vampire> I mean for photo360 in solidworks
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[14:06:02] <Encapsulation> I need 8000 dollars before I can answer that question =D
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[14:08:40] <pink_vampire> hehe.. yes, it is expensive.
[14:09:08] <JT-Shop> got around the usb problem only to find out the serial port does not work with 10.04 on a J1900
[14:09:10] <Tom_itx> run their performance test
[14:09:41] <JT-Shop> I just need to probe a part and drill and tap two freeking holes
[14:10:00] <Tom_itx> seems quicker done on a drillpress
[14:10:22] <JT-Shop> the probe part?
[14:12:28] <Tom_itx> meh, eyeball it :D
[14:12:36] <archivist> the drilling/bugger the probe bit
[14:12:53] <pcw_home> JT-Shop: you may have to enable the serial port in the BIOS
[14:12:54] <JT-Shop> I know if I was a real machinist I could lay it out and at the same time install any flavor of linux
[14:13:04] <JT-Shop> didn't think of that
[14:13:05] <JT-Shop> thanks
[14:19:05] <enleth> this is exactly why I'm trying to keep the original 80s control despite doing a linuxcnc retrofit of the mill
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[14:24:49] <Tom_L> pink_vampire, do your own comarison: http://www.solidworks.com/sw/support/shareyourscore.htm
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[14:56:07] <_abc_> Hello. Do the new "features" induced by systemd affect real time linux extensions as used in linuxcnc releases? For example the Debian one? Wheezy is not affected by systemd but any newer ones might be?
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[14:57:34] <pink_vampire> internet up and down :(
[14:57:43] <pink_vampire> someone still here?
[14:57:50] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/fiPPvNr.png
[14:57:59] <pink_vampire> my poor rendering ^
[14:59:52] <_abc_> The drawing is nice. The problem I see: the threaded rod backlash cancelling flexure is not such a good idea. Only way to adjust it is by bending it? Also the long (long) threaded hole is going to be fun to make
[15:01:34] <_abc_> Läuft Libreoffice auf *bsd desktops?
[15:01:42] <_abc_> Und Firefox/Chrome?
[15:07:07] <pink_vampire> _abc_: the whole rail top to bottom is 60mm..
[15:07:31] <pink_vampire> it's going to be aluminum
[15:08:01] <pink_vampire> and I'm using a tap guide.
[15:08:04] <_abc_> Ouch. You know about thermal expansion? I am talking about the long threaded hole in the table, running close to top and bottom.
[15:09:16] <pink_vampire> it's Z axis with 1" travel
[15:09:30] <_abc_> 60mm is more like 2 inches
[15:09:49] <pink_vampire> the threaded rod is 10-32
[15:10:55] <pink_vampire> the lead nut is 37mm top to bottom..
[15:11:13] <pink_vampire> not a big deal to tap something like that
[15:12:16] <pink_vampire> and if there is a problem I can make the hole a bit bigger halfway on one side..
[15:14:19] <pink_vampire> now I need to make holder for graphite electrode
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[15:20:07] <Roguish_> pink_vampire: why the belt tension device if you are worried about backlash. a tensioner inherently give you back lash.
[15:20:56] <pink_vampire> it's came with the motor
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[15:22:31] <pink_vampire> it's experimental setup.. if it work as expected I will change it the ball screw with servo direct drive. with large travel.
[15:24:24] <pink_vampire> Roguish_: ^
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[15:27:24] <Tom_shop> zlog
[15:27:24] <zlog> Tom_shop: Log stored at http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2016-04-17.html
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[15:31:51] <Tom_shop> pink_vampire, seems the NVIDIA quatro 4000 would be the card to use
[15:32:13] <pink_vampire> I have 9400gt
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[15:32:36] <Tom_shop> ^^ shows the best results
[15:33:01] <Tom_shop> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133485&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Video+Cards+-+Workstation-_-N82E16814133485&gclid=CKHr-pb_lcwCFQcKaQodUZ0HwQ&gclsrc=aw.ds
[15:33:34] <pink_vampire> K80..
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[15:35:03] <pink_vampire|2> Tom_shop: http://www.amazon.com/Nvidia-Accelerator-passive-cooling-900-22080-0000-000/dp/B00Q7O7PQA
[15:35:53] <Tom_shop> i'll order a couple
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[15:36:51] <pink_vampire|2> but make sure to get also a graphic card..
[15:37:11] <pink_vampire|2> this is just the accelerator
[15:37:24] <Tom_shop> oh of course!
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[15:38:24] <pink_vampire|2> look at the card there is no outputs.
[15:39:13] <pink_vampire|2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814132041
[15:39:25] * Tom_shop hooks a cga crt to it
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[15:40:40] <pink_vampire|2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814105059
[15:40:47] <pink_vampire|2> that one also ok..
[15:41:20] <pink_vampire|2> just 5.24 TFLOPS
[15:42:24] <pink_vampire|2> anyway.. you have an idea how to clamp block of graphite?
[15:42:35] <pink_vampire|2> or rod of graphite
[15:42:36] <Tom_shop> carefully
[15:42:51] <pink_vampire|2> I know..
[15:45:52] <Tom_shop> http://www.datron.com/applications/machining-graphite.php
[15:46:47] <Tom_shop> https://www.ohiocarbonblank.com/index.php?file=product_detail&url=14-f-tool-uni-clamp
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[15:47:11] <maxcnc> hi all
[15:47:25] <Tom_shop> hi one
[15:48:04] <Tom_shop> http://www.spreitzer.de/englisch/product-ranges/clamping-technology/freeze-clamping-technology/index.html
[15:48:08] <pink_vampire|2> hi maxcnc
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[15:48:12] <Tom_shop> pink_vampire|2, freeze it
[15:48:17] <maxcnc> pink_vampire|2: graphit for edm
[15:48:46] <pink_vampire|2> Tom_shop: I can't
[15:48:51] <pink_vampire|2> maxcnc: yes.
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[15:49:26] <maxcnc> there are so many different graphit blocks
[15:49:57] <maxcnc> so here we use the same holder as on the edm as it is milled in this holder
[15:50:13] <maxcnc> so it is straight and perfect alignt to all othere
[15:50:24] <maxcnc> one in on out
[15:51:18] <maxcnc> as ive learned in the last century 3 edm blocks for one perfect shot
[15:52:05] <maxcnc> every 5mm one rouphing
[15:52:42] <pink_vampire> but how the electrode get connected to the holder??
[15:53:04] <maxcnc> but as i told its 15years since
[15:53:26] <maxcnc> depends on block size
[15:53:43] <maxcnc> till 20mm its clamp above tread
[15:54:04] <maxcnc> we had ready made blocks to mount
[15:55:18] <maxcnc> let me see if i can find a Block behind me somewhere
[15:55:30] <pink_vampire> ok :)
[15:55:42] <pink_vampire> holding my fingers! :)
[15:56:57] <maxcnc> i only got a R8710 from SGL Group here
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[15:58:34] <pink_vampire> for 1" X 1" X1" block
[15:58:46] <pink_vampire> what is the best way to hold it?
[15:58:59] <Duc> for
[15:59:22] <pink_vampire> I want to use it as edm electrode
[15:59:45] <Duc> you have a EDM?
[16:00:12] <pink_vampire> working on it :)
[16:00:13] <maxcnc> clamp holder
[16:00:29] <Duc> usually a 3R system is used but thats pricey
[16:00:44] <maxcnc> http://www.sglgroup.com/cms/international/products/product-groups/fgg/specialty-graphites-for-electrical-discharge-machining/material.html?__locale=en
[16:01:43] <maxcnc> Duc: erowa is mutch cheeper
[16:02:15] <pink_vampire> http://www.erowa.com/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_web_erowa-its-50-electrodeholder--c_07_00eab8cb0a.jpg
[16:02:15] <maxcnc> http://www.erowa.com/en/products/workholding-systems/prodnav/EDM-Standardization/its-integrated-tooling-system/its-square-holder-system.html
[16:02:18] <pink_vampire> this one?
[16:02:40] <Duc> maxcnc: either way is expensive
[16:03:05] <pink_vampire> but how it hold it?
[16:03:10] <pink_vampire> with screws?
[16:03:30] <pink_vampire> here on the picture http://www.erowa.com/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_web_erowa-its-50-electrodeholder--c_07_00eab8cb0a.jpg
[16:03:48] <pink_vampire> how the copper connect to the graphite??
[16:03:49] <maxcnc> http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR2.TRC1.A0.H0.Xerowa.TRS0&_nkw=erowa&_sacat=0
[16:04:00] <evil_ren> the fuck is that
[16:04:09] <evil_ren> edm tool?
[16:04:16] <evil_ren> neat
[16:04:27] <maxcnc> better to use brass holders for graphite
[16:05:04] <pink_vampire> but what is the principle behind it?
[16:05:35] <Duc> a edm or the tooling?
[16:05:39] <pink_vampire> it use vacuum? screws? glue?
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[16:05:53] <Duc> usually screws
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[16:06:28] <pink_vampire> they push screws in to the graphite?!
[16:06:34] <pink_vampire> O_O
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[16:06:52] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: the holder you can make yourself
[16:07:11] <maxcnc> if you got the edm working
[16:07:56] <pink_vampire> I can't understand how the holding work :(
[16:09:19] <Duc> graphite can be threaded and use a screw from the backside
[16:09:27] <pink_vampire> this is what hold the graphite block? http://g02.s.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1KlIKFFXXXXbZaVXXq6xXFXXXM/205599552/HTB1KlIKFFXXXXbZaVXXq6xXFXXXM.jpg
[16:09:36] <Duc> or make the block 1x1x1.25 that way you have .25 to squeeze
[16:10:57] <pink_vampire> what size of screws usually using in tapped graphite?
[16:11:34] <Duc> its not a high force application I would use 1/4-20 but really any size would do
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[16:12:53] <maxcnc> at OPEL where ive been every EDM got around 100 claps
[16:12:53] <pink_vampire> I need to avoid contact between the electrode and the metal?
[16:13:03] <maxcnc> no
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[16:13:25] <maxcnc> the Z is isoladed from the Base
[16:13:42] <pink_vampire> the holder is going to be isolated
[16:13:43] <maxcnc> and only the worktable gots the power nothing at frame
[16:16:06] <maxcnc> no the holder is fully in power
[16:16:07] <maxcnc> isolation starts above the rotation
[16:16:27] <pink_vampire> but I need to have a small gap between the electrode and the workpiece?, or I need to allow the electrode to make contact with the workpiece?
[16:17:24] <maxcnc> the gap is on your papers depends on Amps used
[16:17:29] <Duc> the electrode never touches the part but you have dieelectric fluid that also needs to be used
[16:17:36] <maxcnc> for rouphing its near 0.3mm
[16:18:14] <pink_vampire> and what voltage?
[16:18:19] <maxcnc> at 100A we used 0.15mm at 3cm³ per min
[16:18:37] <maxcnc> 0.3cm³
[16:19:08] <maxcnc> tha Voltige is mashine fixed Agie got 150
[16:19:17] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure how to calculate it.
[16:19:35] <maxcnc> its practivće and error to find the best
[16:19:50] <maxcnc> therefor only specialists are on the mashines
[16:20:03] <maxcnc> they know how to work with
[16:20:17] <maxcnc> as harder the part 62HRC as faster you go
[16:20:21] <pink_vampire> 150V 100A?
[16:20:27] <maxcnc> on 58HRC ist near half
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[16:21:01] <pink_vampire> 15KW??
[16:21:04] <maxcnc> yes that has been a good value but as i told you im 15years out of this
[16:21:09] <JT-Shop> I think when your frustrated for days it shuts off part of your brain that you need to think with
[16:21:17] <JT-Shop> freaking BP is homing!
[16:21:23] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: we got a 400kw booster
[16:21:56] <Duc> JT-Shop: the correct direction? that kicked my ass for abit on mine
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[16:22:00] <JT-Shop> I got a real time error with the j1900 though
[16:22:08] <maxcnc> the mashine did need a 32A 240V 3lane input
[16:22:16] <JT-Shop> yea, same hard drive
[16:22:36] <maxcnc> JT-Shop: thats why im gone with the 1800
[16:22:56] <maxcnc> it also fits the 5i25
[16:23:12] <maxcnc> you got to go for 6i25
[16:24:08] <pink_vampire|2> I will start with 12V 100A
[16:24:15] <JT-Shop> got a link maxcnc
[16:24:20] <pink_vampire|2> and hope for good
[16:24:57] <maxcnc> pink_vampire|2: do you go for a Deckel 10 or 15 they are comen
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[16:25:45] <Duc> where did you manage to find a EDM
[16:25:46] <pink_vampire|2> I want something smallll
[16:25:56] * JT-Shop turns on the latency-histogram and takes a nap
[16:26:08] <maxcnc> http://fredel-maschinenhandel.de/gebrauchtmaschinen/
[16:26:09] <JT-Shop> kinda wondering about the latency error
[16:26:19] <pink_vampire|2> for drilling ball bearings. and stuff like that
[16:27:10] <pink_vampire|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUXJiPtWVrk
[16:27:40] <Duc> Ive been trying to buy a old one from work but no go so far. To afraid of people starting business with the equipment
[16:27:41] <pink_vampire|2> I want to make something similar to that but much smaller
[16:27:43] <maxcnc> with this you are a real moldmaker
[16:27:58] <maxcnc> small series at 50k parts
[16:28:07] <maxcnc> out of HyperAL
[16:28:15] <maxcnc> DuranAlu
[16:28:30] <maxcnc> brings alot of money and real fun
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[16:28:37] <maxcnc> but also gray hair
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[16:28:48] <maxcnc> as time is a factor
[16:29:26] <Duc> ah I should take a video of a hole popper we have at work. Time went from 45mins down to 30 seconds to burn a pin out
[16:29:29] <maxcnc> thats why im consentrating on plasma Creative arts and parts
[16:29:56] <pink_vampire|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxtg2nAIYw4
[16:30:02] <pink_vampire|2> that one is cute
[16:30:11] <maxcnc> wire Edm is a different issue
[16:30:26] <maxcnc> there are wire EDM start hole drillers
[16:30:43] <JT-Shop> this one has pci slots http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=j1900-_-13-157-565-_-Product
[16:30:49] <maxcnc> that can drill 0.5mm holed 100 mm depth within 2min
[16:31:25] <maxcnc> the 1900 has a pciE
[16:31:31] <evil_ren> the guy who designed that hole is an asshole.
[16:31:38] <pink_vampire|2> I don't need something like that
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[16:32:28] <maxcnc> ok im off Familie is caling for evening meal
[16:32:30] <maxcnc> Gn8
[16:32:34] <Duc> yep lunch time
[16:32:44] <maxcnc> you realy inspirerd mamorys of my past
[16:33:07] <maxcnc> 4shifts workdays
[16:33:22] <maxcnc> including wekend and then 2days off start over
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[17:08:56] <Roguish_> JT-Shop: i have one of those Asrock Q1900M boards. works good. no problems.
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[17:56:43] <MrSunshine_> http://www.robives.com/category/tags/hypocycloid would these have a constant speed on the output shaft or will it alter the speed of the output depending on where it is on the contact ?
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[18:20:36] <JT-Shop> Roguish_: thanks, I'll get one of those for the BP
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[18:24:26] <JT-Shop> I disabled a few things in the bios that looked like might be latency issues
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[18:28:29] <JT-Shop> Roguish_: which asrock mb do you have? I see several on newegg
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[19:00:27] <bobo_> JT-Shop: I think PCW said he had good luck with a- ASRock H97M Pro4 LGA 1150 . might ask PCW for his latest thoughts
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[19:18:39] <JT-Shop> hmm that has an 8 pin cpu power connector
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[19:44:33] <unholycrab> anyone vcarve/aspire experts in here? i will pay someone to teach me how to make a shape that im trying to make
[19:44:38] <pcw_home> The H97M Pro4 is great for RTAI and Preemt-RT and very fast but you need to have a fan
[19:44:54] <unholycrab> actually if i could generate the shape with free/other software, thats fine too
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[19:45:58] <unholycrab> maybe ill create a stack exchange bounty or something
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[19:51:42] <cpresser_> unholycrab: which shape
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[19:53:36] <unholycrab> i want to create an irregular shape, a trapezoid... with a 16" radius over the top
[19:53:39] <unholycrab> its a guitar neck
[19:54:01] <unholycrab> aspire has a rails feature which allows me to draw the arc, and select two sides as the "rails"
[19:54:19] <unholycrab> but it creates a shape that is tapered on the ends...
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[19:54:47] <unholycrab> i need the height of the object to be the same from one end to the other
[19:54:56] <unholycrab> like half a cylinder
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[19:55:37] <unholycrab> sorry more specifically, im creating fretboards... not the neck
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[20:04:28] <unholycrab> hmm, exactly like this http://www.tdpri.com/threads/one-approach-to-modeling-a-neck-for-the-cnc-machine.332889/
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[20:09:49] <unholycrab> yea i would like to do that with vcarve/aspire
[20:09:55] <Tom_itx> unholycrab, check grabcad
[20:10:06] <Tom_itx> https://grabcad.com/library/software/solidworks?page=1&time=all_time&sort=recent&query=guitar%20neck
[20:12:33] <Tom_itx> 16" radius over a tapered length?
[20:12:39] <Tom_itx> that shouldn't be that difficult
[20:12:53] <unholycrab> yeah, tapered sides but the height should stay the same
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[20:13:19] <Tom_itx> the height won't be the same as the radius tapers off
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[20:13:43] <Tom_itx> won't be that much different though
[20:14:29] <unholycrab> so the edges should be the same height, and the radiused part extruding from the top should be a different height, as the radius is the same
[20:14:43] <Tom_itx> how long / wide is the neck?
[20:15:18] <unholycrab> http://proguitarshop.com/media/cms/blog/fretradius.png <-- for the ibanez wizard 2 neck, i believe h1 and h2 here are the same
[20:15:45] <unholycrab> Tom_itx: it varies. im retrofitting fretboards on different guitars
[20:16:34] <Tom_itx> numbers for W1 W2?
[20:16:46] <unholycrab> http://www.ekips.org/tools/guitar/fretfind2d/#len=34&lenF=25&lenL=28&pDist=0.5&ipDist=0.5&nutWidth=1.526&bridgeWidth=2.67&oE=0.17&oN=0.09375&oB=0.09375&oL=0.09375&oF=0.09375&oNL=0.09375&oNF=0.09375&oBL=0.09375&oBF=0.09375&root=17&scl=%0A!+12tet.scl%0A!%0A12+tone+equal+temperament%0A12%0A!%0A100.0%0A200.%0A300.%0A400.%0A500.%0A600.%0A700.%0A800.%0A900.%0A1000.%0A1100.%0A2%2F1%0A&numFrets=34&numStrings=5&t%5B%5D=0&t%5B%5D=7&t%5B%5D=14&t%5B%5D=20&t%5B%5
[20:16:56] <unholycrab> not sure. i start with this ^
[20:17:12] <unholycrab> let me measure it real quick
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[20:18:56] <unholycrab> 26.378" long, w1 = 2.549", w2 = 1.747"
[20:19:31] <unholycrab> something like that. that length isn't right
[20:20:06] <unholycrab> i create the DXF using that website, after measuring w1 and w2 where w1 is the 2nd octave, and w2 is the nut
[20:20:35] <unholycrab> but the shape continues at the bottom for several inches
[20:21:08] <evil_ren> thats the scale length im pretty sure
[20:21:19] <unholycrab> the scale length is from nut to bridge
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[20:21:37] <evil_ren> so 2x 12th fret length, or the ideal length to the bridge
[20:21:41] <unholycrab> 26.378" is from nut to 2nd octave. its a 5 string bass
[20:21:48] <evil_ren> oooooh
[20:21:50] <evil_ren> neat
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[20:22:32] <unholycrab> 34" scale length
[20:23:35] <evil_ren> same as jazz bass so has to be correct
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[20:23:56] <unholycrab> did you just measure your jazz bass, evil_ren :)
[20:24:12] <evil_ren> no i looked it up but i can go measure my jazz bass...
[20:24:17] <unholycrab> haha
[20:24:23] <evil_ren> its under my bed its probably lonely
[20:24:27] <unholycrab> D:
[20:26:02] <evil_ren> G is almost exactly 34"
[20:26:35] <evil_ren> E is about 1/4" more
[20:27:04] <unholycrab> it will vary depending on intonation at the bridge
[20:27:14] <Tom_itx> mmm, nearly had it drawn but gotta go
[20:28:12] <evil_ren> right but that makes sense, G is just over 34" enough to account for the rigid bend length
[20:28:51] <evil_ren> i did intonation, so i figured it would be off more, heh
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[21:11:03] <DaViruz> 128kB of program memory turns out to be quite limiting once you start mucking about with modern 3d cam
[21:14:07] <DaViruz> i guess a new retrofit is in store
[21:15:12] <djdelorie> can you stream more data from usb/serial/whatever ?
[21:16:47] <Tom_itx> SATA is serial so they seem to think so
[21:19:53] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:44:53] <Tom_itx> unholycrab, still around?
[21:46:20] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/guitar_neck.jpg
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[21:49:56] <unholycrab> that looks not, Tom_itx
[21:50:01] <unholycrab> i mean it looks hot
[21:50:11] <unholycrab> whats CATIA ?
[21:50:26] <Tom_itx> a cad package from Dassault Systems
[21:50:31] <Tom_itx> similar to Solidworks
[21:50:41] <Tom_itx> ~75K
[21:51:07] <unholycrab> $1,500/year D:
[21:51:20] <Tom_itx> no, 75k/seat
[21:51:50] <Tom_itx> for a full product, most small shops don't buy the whole thing
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[21:52:12] <Frank__12> 75k software !?!? omg
[21:52:26] <Tom_itx> major industry uses it
[21:52:35] <Frank__12> but 75k for like 100 pvs
[21:52:36] <unholycrab> must have some crazy vendor lockin
[21:52:36] <Frank__12> pcs
[21:52:37] <Frank__12> ?
[21:52:38] <Tom_itx> that's why i'm learning it
[21:52:40] <_methods> add options and it gets higher
[21:52:49] <Tom_itx> it is very powerful software
[21:52:52] <Frank__12> how much is solidworks
[21:52:56] <unholycrab> a lot, Frank__12
[21:53:02] <_methods> base is like $8500
[21:53:16] <Frank__12> so catia is 10 times higher?
[21:53:20] <Frank__12> price
[21:53:26] <Tom_itx> at least
[21:53:32] <Frank__12> wtf
[21:53:39] <Frank__12> heh
[21:53:50] <Tom_itx> there's not much it can't do
[21:54:09] <unholycrab> i can think of a few things i could get for $75k that this software can not do
[21:54:31] <unholycrab> Tom_itx: do you know how i would do what you just did in vectric aspire?
[21:54:52] <Tom_itx> draw the 2 end profiles and make a solid between them
[21:55:09] <Tom_itx> spaced the neck length apart
[21:55:23] <unholycrab> i dont know how to create a solid between them, other than using the rails feature
[21:55:41] <Tom_itx> catia has a multi-sectional solid feature
[21:56:02] <Tom_itx> makes it earn part of it's cost
[21:56:52] <Tom_itx> i actually had the 16" radius wrong on that snapshot
[21:57:12] <unholycrab> im just looking for a technique that i can repeat
[21:57:15] <unholycrab> with what i have
[21:57:26] <Tom_itx> i don't have what you have so i dunno
[21:57:33] <unholycrab> because im doing a lot of these, and im stuck on the software/modelling part
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[21:57:49] <Tom_itx> use formulas to make changes easier
[21:57:51] <unholycrab> vectric aspire. ill use anything i can get for a reasonable price, or pirate on the internet
[21:58:22] <Tom_itx> solidworks would probably do it fairly easy as well
[21:58:49] <Tom_itx> lemme jot these numbers down and i'll try it
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[22:00:36] <unholycrab> i can't get solidworks to run
[22:00:49] <unholycrab> it won't run in a virtual machine on my mac
[22:05:42] <Tom_itx> _methods how do you do symetrical constraint in SW? i forgot..
[22:08:04] <_methods> under advanced
[22:08:11] <_methods> advanced mates
[22:08:17] <Tom_itx> i just did a midpoint thing
[22:08:29] <_methods> that'll work too
[22:08:32] <Tom_itx> where's that at?
[22:09:17] <_methods> in mates
[22:09:24] <_methods> there are tabs
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[22:10:01] <unholycrab> what effect does chipload have on sub-millimeter bits ?
[22:10:08] <Tom_itx> same
[22:10:09] <unholycrab> 2 flute vs 3 flute
[22:10:26] <Tom_itx> chipload is chipload
[22:10:31] <unholycrab> different question; what effect does it have on tiny bits brekaing vs not breaking
[22:10:42] <Tom_itx> if you follow the rules, none
[22:10:43] <unholycrab> using them to cut slots
[22:10:48] <_methods> standard, advanced and mechanical mates
[22:11:02] <Tom_itx> what toolbar is that in?
[22:11:17] <_methods> in mates
[22:11:31] <Tom_itx> wtf does the icon look like :D ?
[22:11:32] <XXCoder> pink_vampire|2: nice design. cover of some kind?
[22:11:40] <_methods> like a paperclip
[22:11:44] <_methods> and it says mates
[22:11:50] <_methods> or mate
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[22:11:52] <_methods> sorry
[22:12:08] <_methods> there are 4 tabs under the mate dropdown
[22:12:16] <Tom_itx> i must not have it open
[22:12:18] <XXCoder> http://picpaste.com/holder-uBrr8l8O.png designed that yeserday, will be rod gage holder
[22:12:24] <_methods> standard mates, advanced mates, mechanical mates and mates
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[22:12:52] <Tom_itx> ahh there it is...
[22:12:59] <Tom_itx> clear on the other side of the screen
[22:13:37] <Tom_itx> that's for solids though isn't it?
[22:27:46] <unholycrab> for how much vectric aspire costs, it doesn't allow me to import very many formats
[22:27:52] <unholycrab> which makes it hard to use grabcad
[22:27:54] <unholycrab> D:
[22:29:26] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/Guitar_neck1.jpg
[22:29:57] <unholycrab> looks pretty good, Tom_itx
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[22:31:49] <Tom_itx> what's the underside radius?
[22:33:04] <Tom_itx> _methods how do you change the linetype to construction?
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[22:35:04] <_methods> right click on the line or just click on the line
[22:35:13] <_methods> then on the left you should have a construction box
[22:35:16] <_methods> that you can check
[22:37:22] <Tom_itx> don't see it
[22:38:05] <Tom_itx> oh on the left
[22:38:06] <Tom_itx> thanks
[22:38:57] <Tom_itx> i wish this damn mouse worked the same as in catia
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[22:41:11] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/Guitar_neck2.jpg
[22:43:23] <Tom_itx> ok, enough nonsense
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