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[00:02:25] <Frank__12> anyone? :D
[00:02:44] <JT-Shop> lol
[00:07:45] <Frank__12> im getting crazy trying to align the linear guide rails (hiwin) on my machine (2.4mts)
[00:07:53] <Frank__12> going crazy*
[00:08:13] <JT-Shop> I line one up then line the second to the first
[00:08:14] <Frank__12> does anyone have any good advice or steps?
[00:08:53] <Frank__12> yeah i have to get em to 0.1mm height difference
[00:09:11] <Frank__12> the machining on the frame wasnt the best either
[00:09:42] <JT-Shop> my advice is to never argue with idiots, the bring you down to their level and beat you with experience
[00:09:57] <JT-Shop> shim them level
[00:10:16] <malcom2073> Frank__12: Is 0.1mm within the tolerance of the rails for being off parallel?
[00:10:30] <malcom2073> Seems like a lot
[00:10:49] <Frank__12> no, actually that was the easy one with the dial indicator, 0.036mm for paralelism
[00:10:57] <Frank__12> i got it to 0.02
[00:11:11] <Frank__12> but the height difference is making me want to cry
[00:11:14] <malcom2073> Sorry, off plane
[00:11:18] <Frank__12> i need to buy some shims and play with it
[00:11:22] <malcom2073> Yeah shims
[00:11:46] <Frank__12> what are the smallest shims?
[00:11:56] <Frank__12> im not in the us, im might get problematic to get em
[00:12:25] <malcom2073> A thou probably
[00:12:35] <malcom2073> Or whatever the metric equivalant is, 0.03mm?
[00:13:04] <Frank__12> 0.0254 my calc says
[00:13:11] <Frank__12> same shit.. heh
[00:14:16] <Frank__12> and i only have a starret 98-8 that measures 0.005 over a foot
[00:14:37] <Frank__12> it can only move 1/5 of a gradient to get it to 0.1mm
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[00:21:49] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: we have wild animals around here as well, just not the mountain lions or bears
[00:22:15] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: You buddies on game night don't count ;)
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[00:22:51] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: lots of teens and jacked up pickups
[00:23:00] <CaptHindsight> not sure what's more dangerous
[00:23:35] <CaptHindsight> probably depends on if I'm covered in butter or trying to cross the street or both
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[00:38:03] <Sync> Frank__12: you can get 0.01 or even 5µ shims
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[00:53:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: "jacked up pickups" and "trying to cross the street" I get, but "lots of teens and covered in butter"... Um, do you live in/near a strip club or something?
[00:54:26] <jdh> ever see last tango in paris?
[00:54:40] <BeachBumPete> http://i.imgur.com/DrWnemt.jpg +
http://i.imgur.com/shbnhYS.jpg = HAPPINESS!! :D
[00:54:41] <Jymmm> If I did, it was eons ago.
[00:54:55] <jdh> specs
[00:56:35] <malcom2073> Bwahaha, butter, jacked up pickups and teens
[00:56:37] <jdh> or is one a spanish?
[00:56:51] <Jymmm> BeachBumPete: Not even close...
http://www.malibuweddingdestinations.com/resources/brazilianbbq9.jpg
[00:57:06] <jdh> that's a lotta meat
[00:57:25] <BeachBumPete> Jymmm you are right that IS not even close to fresh caught spanish Mackerel and Sea trout... Sorry man!!
[00:57:37] <Jymmm> jdh: Brazillian BBQ, they keep bringing you meat of all kinds till you tell them to stop.
[00:58:05] <BeachBumPete> Can you say sea trout taco's? :D
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[00:58:25] <BeachBumPete> That little bastard put up a fight too lemme tell ya
[00:58:31] <Jymmm> jdh: If you find one near you, usually about $30-$40/person, but it's all you can eat.
[00:58:57] <BeachBumPete> My wife actually hooked into a BIG Snook and I was trying to help her bring it in and we lost it...I almost cried
[00:59:14] <Jymmm> jdh: They walk around with massive skewers of various meat, and slice it off on your plate
[00:59:15] <jdh> don't cry, there are other fish in the sea.
[00:59:25] <BeachBumPete> Got it right up to the edge and was pulling it out of the water when it broke the line
[00:59:39] <BeachBumPete> jdh har de har har
[00:59:46] <Jymmm> BeachBumPete: Uh, uh.... Suuuuuuure it did
[01:00:23] <BeachBumPete> I swear it did.. It was BIG too.. I don't think we had large enough leader I did not expect to catch such a big fish so quickly LOL
[01:01:00] <BeachBumPete> I got a bit of a sunburn tho hehehehe
[01:03:59] <Jymmm> Stop running around with butt crack, Florida aint backasswards TN now!
[01:04:28] <BeachBumPete> Well I would agree but it was not buttcrack it was my big fat melon head hehe
[01:04:52] <BeachBumPete> My wife just gave me a little piece of that out of the olive oil pan fry.. WOW it is delicious!!
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[01:12:26] <Sync> good looking fish
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[01:13:11] <BeachBumPete> Sync thanks man!
[01:14:42] <Sync> hm, thinking about getting that caliper out of intered, it is cheap, too
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[01:16:38] <Sync> the two lvdts would probably be worth it
[01:31:55] <zeeshan> does the fish taste like crude oil
[01:32:20] <zeeshan> sync for what
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[01:45:26] <Tom_itx> ok catia problem 4 done
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[01:55:08] <bobo_> BeachBumPete: will this be you'r next venture ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWqg6B-taUg
[01:56:17] <BeachBumPete> bobo_ hehehe I saw that video this morning... pretty funny. there are gators here that big tho.... :O
[01:57:47] <bobo_> oh well keep the hook in the water and enjoy
[01:58:43] <BeachBumPete> yeah we had a lot of fun today.. tomorrow is back to looking for a house and finding work LOL Been screwing off a bit too much but we are just happy to be here
[02:00:05] <jdh> does your wife have anything lined up?
[02:01:18] <BeachBumPete> yeah she worked for them years ago and now she has work there again. She was offered the job before we left tennessee. right now she is going thru the rehiring process
[02:01:18] <jdh> cool
[02:01:56] <BeachBumPete> I saw the coolest thing today from the Kayak
[02:02:29] <BeachBumPete> we were a ways out there in the intercoastal and I saw some splashing like a hundred yards away from us
[02:02:38] <BeachBumPete> it kept getting closer and closer
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[02:03:16] <BeachBumPete> next thing I know we see several spotted rays JUMP out of the water and fly like two to three feet up before splashing back down into the water.
[02:05:33] <BeachBumPete> it happened like five times in a row
[02:05:33] <BeachBumPete> I could not get my camera to cooperate unfortunately
[02:05:33] <BeachBumPete> they looked kinda reddish brownish with spots
[02:05:34] <jdh> those are always cool
[02:05:34] <BeachBumPete> we also saw about a dozen porpoise playing nearby
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[02:05:34] <BeachBumPete> there was a guy near us that must have caught like eight different stingrays all afternoon... I kinda felt bad for him. they are kinda scary to take the hook out of
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[02:06:47] <jdh> they never used to bother me. I would swim over them on teh bottom while diving
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[02:07:01] <jdh> but now I go around them.
[02:07:08] <BeachBumPete> yeah me neither but after the croc hunter LOL
[02:07:34] <BeachBumPete> we saw one breach that was like probably six feet across today
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[02:07:39] <jdh> we have ones taht are huge. They block out the light when they swim over you.
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[02:09:56] <jdh> they come off the high side of the ledges where we get meg teeth and fly over you
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[02:09:56] <BeachBumPete> I once kinda rode a manta ray for a few seconds while snorkeling.... it was REALLY big. He put up with my BS for like five seconds before he fluttered his huge wings and was GONE very quickly ;)
[02:09:56] <BeachBumPete> that was on the south side of the Boynton beach inlet when I was like 18
[02:09:56] <jdh> don't molsest the wildlife!
[02:09:57] <BeachBumPete> He was AMAZING I had no choice
[02:12:17] <BeachBumPete> I swear my head looks like a big cherry tomato :D
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[02:16:38] <Duc> I really need to find something to machine that requires the new 4th axis
[02:17:02] <BeachBumPete> there are TONS of things you can machine with a nice 4th ;)
[02:17:05] <Tom_itx> so you got it with nothing in mind?
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[02:17:45] <Duc> not a dam thing
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[02:18:26] <Duc> I need to update my thread with all the details
[02:18:39] <jdh> url?
[02:18:50] <BeachBumPete> or you could just ship it to me ;)
[02:19:50] <Duc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/12-milling/29997-bridgeport-boss5-stepper-to-servo
[02:20:06] <Duc> Tsudakoma can be found for cheap on ebay
[02:20:18] <Duc> Typing up the update now to the thread to add the rotary
[02:27:10] <jdh> heh... love that panel you got with thempg
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[02:29:00] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: strip clubs, teens and butter, havn't seen that one yet, is that how they clean behind the booths?
[02:30:08] <bobo_> Duc: what is the weight of the rotary?
[02:30:26] <Duc> I think 200-300
[02:30:40] <bobo_> thanks
[02:30:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Clean, who says they clean?
[02:31:25] <Duc> shouldnt be a problem for the mill since I cant load to much on it
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[02:34:02] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I guess if you're looking behind the booths you probably need to find somewhere else to go.
[02:34:26] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: lol, I suppose so =)
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[02:43:21] <Duc> man I suck at writing
[02:44:44] <jdh> then you shoudl be an engineer
[02:48:19] <Duc> I am a mechanical engineer
[02:48:28] <Duc> :D
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[02:53:37] <Jymmm> That's not like a REAL engineer, its just what they tell you so you give them monies ;)
[02:54:20] <Duc> yep skill set and experience far outway the degree
[02:54:30] <Duc> just opens doors for interviews
[02:58:11] <yasnak> man
[02:58:16] <yasnak> i love my Kitagawa
[02:59:02] <Duc> you get the cnc braced up
[02:59:05] <yasnak> personally i'd rather run 4 axis programs and second op then run the 5axis sometimes haha.
[02:59:08] <yasnak> yeah man!
[02:59:12] <yasnak> here one sec
[03:05:17] <Duc> this could be scary
[03:06:07] <yasnak> sorry, side tracked whenever I go out on the floor haha
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[03:10:03] <yasnak> https://youtu.be/O7iU4-Z0fRc
[03:10:50] <yasnak> man, i swear i cannot record videos for shit. excuse my rambling. been here since 3am. probably too much monster today haha.
[03:12:16] <Duc> how did you fix it? No audio right now
[03:12:33] <yasnak> well that black ring in the bottom, took set screw out
[03:13:14] <yasnak> played with it...it adjusted the force needed to move it. figured since star would be a week out that we'd be screw even if I broke it so I screwed it off
[03:13:20] <yasnak> then saw the setscrew literally fall out
[03:14:16] <yasnak> so i ended up pulling the entire control off and found all the bottom side bolts were loose. tighted up and slammed it back together. boom, running parts by 6:21am.
[03:14:27] <Duc> nice
[03:15:00] <yasnak> just never like messing with any wring in these machines. one loose wire and your days will be ruined.
[03:15:34] <Duc> very hard to find the issue soemtimes
[03:16:33] <yasnak> my okuma had some little rpm sensor wire that started to fray from years and years of 6" up/down peck drilling. took me forever to find it
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[03:17:44] <Duc> better when they fail all the way
[03:17:54] <Duc> ok I think Im done typing tonight on my thread
[03:18:21] <yasnak> on your thread?
[03:18:57] <Duc> yep had to update it with the rotary table install. Only partly done
[03:19:13] <Duc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/12-milling/29997-bridgeport-boss5-stepper-to-servo
[03:19:16] <yasnak> thread as in post config?? sorry, little confused
[03:19:23] <Duc> new stuff is the last 2 pages
[03:19:44] <Duc> converting bridgeport boss 5 from stepper to servos and nwo the rotary table
[03:19:46] <yasnak> ah, thread as in forum
[03:19:52] <yasnak> man I need some sleep haha
[03:20:15] <yasnak> that is an amazing setup, you wired that all yourself?
[03:20:27] <Duc> yea
[03:20:57] <Duc> its my stress relieve from work
[03:21:24] <yasnak> im going to keep your name handy. electrical is definitely my weakness. checking 480v with the back of your hand isn't good technique haha
[03:21:52] <yasnak> its your stress relief? jeez, what is it that you do for work then haha
[03:22:26] <Duc> design fixtures, assembly lines and capital projects for firearms
[03:23:35] <Duc> I used to be a tech on flight simulators for 8 years so I have a electronics background before I got my mechanical engineering degree at 30
[03:23:56] <yasnak> very nice
[03:24:12] <yasnak> your own company or for another company?
[03:24:25] <Duc> i work for big green
[03:26:09] <yasnak> oh sweet, so those guys who make the actual components of assembly lines? never heard of you guys till now :P
[03:26:27] <Duc> remington firearms LOL
[03:27:05] <yasnak> sorry, when I said I'm super tired I'm not lying haha
[03:27:31] <Duc> yea its probably bed time for me also
[03:27:34] <yasnak> that being said, you may know a few things about gundrilling then eh?
[03:27:39] <yasnak> might need to pick your brain someday
[03:27:47] <Duc> yea my coworkers do
[03:27:54] <yasnak> lol
[03:28:12] <Duc> we have a full robot cell for it
[03:28:29] <yasnak> dedicated gundrilling machine or gundrill during machining?
[03:28:39] <Duc> dedicated
[03:28:52] <yasnak> I'd figure you'd have some sort of WFL machine setup
[03:30:07] <Duc> takes alot of money to make guns that dont require gunsmithing
[03:31:12] <yasnak> Considering the barrels are straight of different diameters and lengths...just set the blanks up for the robot and go haha. I can only imagine what those gundrills cost
[03:32:56] <yasnak> *not trying to make it sound easy, just wish I knew more about gundrilling. right now I'm trying to gundrill a 0.11" hole 8" deep. The part tapers over that length from 0.75" od to 0.1875". The 0.1875" side is also the end and gun drills like to find their ways out. :/
[03:33:12] <yasnak> oh and this is with a gundrill on a citizen
[03:33:38] <Duc> yes its a science and art
[03:33:43] <Duc> but its bedtime for me
[03:33:46] <Duc> Ill be on tomorrow
[03:33:51] <yasnak> have a good one man!
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[08:20:01] <enleth> Duc: I just saw on your thread that you removed one of the Z limit switches on the bridgeport. With servos, this is a very bad idea, IMO. Actually, the crash itself only happened because you did not use the limit switches as intended - to cut motor power.
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[09:36:56] <XXCoder> zeeshan: wsatching your new video lol
[09:40:02] <XXCoder> huh why cut top off oin that complex way
[09:40:10] <XXCoder> because you want that funky texture?
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[10:32:08] <jthornton> stupid wildblue I have a credit card on file for auto payment but they don't use it they just keep shutting my internet down and I have to call them up to pay
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[10:40:05] <_methods> really sucks there arent many options for internet in rural areas
[10:40:31] <XXCoder> yeah no compeition = no reason to fix shit
[10:41:00] <jthornton> well there is a worse alternative Hughes net
[10:41:05] <_methods> lol
[10:41:26] <_methods> you can have a pile of dogshit or a bowl of dogshit
[10:41:44] <jthornton> and even though I've paid the bill the connection is limited to almost nothing
[10:41:48] <jthornton> yep
[10:42:15] <_methods> how far is the nearest fiber/cable connection?
[10:42:20] <jthornton> and 1.6 miles away runs a fiber optic cable that does nothing
[10:42:28] <XXCoder> well bowl of dogshit is portable.
[10:42:40] <_methods> piles are too
[10:42:53] <_methods> i get the portable kind on my shoes all the time
[10:43:05] <XXCoder> lol
[10:43:20] <jthornton> the neighbors huge dog leaves a huge pile in the middle of my driveway from time to time
[10:44:48] <jthornton> now I have an idiot with a chip on his shoulder to deal with who is a retired EE and expects way too much
[10:45:03] <_methods> gotta love neighbors
[10:45:28] <enleth> jthornton: build a catapult, deliver it back
[10:45:44] <jthornton> I think the dog does it because I shot him in the ass with a pellet rifle once
[10:45:54] <jthornton> I hand carry it back lol
[10:45:59] <jthornton> in a shovel
[10:46:07] <XXCoder> just eat it
[10:46:20] <XXCoder> later you can poop it out at more convient time
[10:46:23] <jthornton> a catapult does sound like a fun build
[10:46:31] <jthornton> like a beaver
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[10:47:38] <enleth> jthornton: if the catapult has the bowl made ouf of a shovel, you could make it so it sits on the ground in the far back position - just cart the thing backwards to scoop up the shit, aim and fire
[10:48:52] <jthornton> that would be cool, I live in the middle of 9 acres so it would have to fly pretty far
[10:50:31] <enleth> nothing tells the neighbor to get their dog right better than shit splatters on their house
[10:50:53] <_methods> hahah
[10:50:58] <_methods> the shitapult
[10:51:13] <_methods> shittapult
[10:51:26] <_methods> or if you're in england shiteapult
[10:52:28] <_methods> jthornton is staring at his scrap material rack right now trying to figure if he has enough layin around to assemble one
[10:52:56] <jthornton> or I could just use the cannon to fire it back
[10:53:22] <_methods> freeze the piles
[10:53:25] <_methods> the fire at will
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[11:18:21] <enleth> jthornton-: get a spud gun
[11:19:28] <jthornton-> you have to know that I have one
[11:21:07] <Sync> zeeshan: fun and games
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[11:30:32] <Tom_itx> jthornton, good it wasn't an elephant... they remember forever
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[13:40:52] <miss0r> I am beginning to think this philips 432 controller simply cannot do an arc using radius, while working on all 3 axis. I can 'easily' use G3 to do a complete helix. but alot of the time I am ramping down on contours, and want to be more flexible. *sigh* Also, 1986'era machines are not too well documented on the internet
[13:42:05] <jdh> retrofit lcnc & mesa
[13:43:52] <miss0r> I have been seriously considering it. but money is scarse at the moment
[13:45:10] <miss0r> I don't want to have to choose between the mill and the wife... she wouldn't like the outcome ;)
[13:45:15] <jdh> have you considered making meth to support your cnc habit?
[13:46:26] <miss0r> I already do that to support my crack habit
[13:46:47] * miss0r ponders about going into pimpin'
[13:47:13] <archivist> pimp my cnc
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[13:48:33] <skunkworks_> Dad pimps his cnc's...
[13:48:36] <miss0r> even there was such a show, I wouldn't take part in it. I once saw a show with 50cent(?) who did this car "pimpin'" stuff.. they mounted flatscreen monitors underneath the car, so you could watch TV while working the chassis...
[13:48:45] <jdh> I did some engraving in 316 with my G0704 the other day. it turned out surprisingly good.
[13:49:08] <skunkworks_> picts?
[13:49:29] <miss0r> luckily I still have my trusty old PNC-3100 for doing engraving'n such
[13:50:07] <jdh> didn't take any. .078 mull, .040 deep
[13:50:13] <jdh> mill
[13:51:38] <skunkworks_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGj2wsPfZU
[13:53:32] <jdh> those z moves are really nice. looks so fluid
[13:54:23] <skunkworks_> that was before I found the .005" of backlash in z... you can see it in the cuts
[13:55:30] <gregcnc> how do you properly deal with backlash on Z, should the gibs be tight enough the head can't fall on it's own?
[13:56:00] <skunkworks_> This was bearing preload issues.. Fixed now
[13:56:39] <gregcnc> yeah i have to check mine
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[13:57:46] <archivist> mine was gravity backlash removal until I remade the way the head couples the Z nut last week
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[14:21:06] <maxcnc> hi heavy thunderstorm here
[14:21:17] <maxcnc> rain as hell
[14:21:24] <maxcnc> shop closed
[14:25:36] <enleth> just found this on a local auction site for what may be a decent price:
http://7.allegroimg.pl/original/12/60/65/45/23/6065452375
[14:26:11] <enleth> it's a Hardinge
[14:26:22] <enleth> no nameplate visible
[14:27:06] <enleth> $1900 or so
[14:27:08] <maxcnc> miss0r if you read the logas back the Maho Philips 432 M700 can do helix as well
[14:27:18] <maxcnc> G2 X40 Y62.5 Z-16,5 140 J40 K1,5
[14:27:25] <enleth> "good working condition"
[14:27:31] <enleth> hot or not?
[14:28:24] <maxcnc> it can also mill helix under CRC
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[14:29:53] <maxcnc> % PM
[14:29:55] <maxcnc> N 10020
[14:29:56] <maxcnc> N1 G17 T1 M66 (GEWINDEFRAESER D = 20)
[14:29:58] <maxcnc> N2 X40 Y40 Z1,5 S400 M13
[14:29:59] <maxcnc> N3 G43 Y62,5
[14:30:01] <maxcnc> N4 G42 F120
[14:30:02] <maxcnc> N5 G2 X40 Y62.5 Z-16,5 140 J40 K1,5
[14:30:04] <maxcnc> N6 G40
[14:30:05] <maxcnc> N7 G1 Y40
[14:30:07] <maxcnc> N8 GO Z100 M30
[14:30:08] <maxcnc> Erlauterung :
[14:30:10] <maxcnc> N2: Startposition (Bohrungsmitte) wird angefahren.
[14:30:11] <maxcnc> N3: Mit Fraserradiuskorrektur wird bis an den Kreis angefahren.
[14:30:13] <maxcnc> N4: Fraserradiuskorrektur rechts von der Kontur wird aktiviert.
[14:30:14] <maxcnc> N5: Die Schraubenlinie mit Kreisendpunkt (X, Y) Tiefe (Z) Kreis-
[14:30:16] <maxcnc> mittelpunkt (I, J) und Steigung (K) wird ausgefuhrt.
[14:30:17] <maxcnc> N6: Radiuskorrektur wird geloscht.
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[14:30:19] <maxcnc> N7: Zuriickfahren auf Bohrungsmitte.
[14:30:20] <maxcnc> N8: Werkzeugachse zuriickziehen und Programmende .
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[14:34:17] <_methods> pastebin?
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[14:36:02] <_methods> enleth: here that would be a good deal on that lathe
[14:36:17] <_methods> i've seen those things go for $14k, in better condition though
[14:36:38] <_methods> $1900 is a bargain though
[14:36:44] <_methods> looks like it needs a little love
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[14:48:35] <enleth> just realized it doesn't seem to have a tailstock
[14:48:44] <enleth> well shit
[14:49:13] <gregcnc> HC are chuckers
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[14:51:00] <gregcnc> not sure what to think
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEFtyCnLSgJ/
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[14:55:25] <skunkworks_> I thought it was illegal to deface American currency..
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[15:01:39] <_methods> pennies are still currency?
[15:02:41] <jdh> illegal to deface to defraud
[15:06:08] <alex_joni> nope, not only to defraud
[15:06:58] <alex_joni> According to Title 18, Chapter 17 of the U.S. Code, which sets out crimes related to coins and currency, anyone who “alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens” coins can face fines or prison time. The same goes for debasing – that is, decreasing the proportion of precious metals – in gold or silver coins struck or coined at an American mint.
[15:07:57] <djdelorie> there's an exception for mutilation not intended for fraudulent use, though
[15:09:24] <djdelorie> the title reads "anyone who fraudulently alters, ..." - you left that part out
[15:09:28] <_methods> Hi, I'm looking for tether balls for a new innovative product that I want to sell on Kick Starter. I only need the balls, not the string. I am looking to establish a long term relationship. One of the products that I helped a client of mine launch recently is currently the top selling product on Indiegogo. I will give specifics on size and logo at the time of response.
[15:09:35] <_methods> hilarious
[15:09:47] <_methods> i get email that says i'm looking for balls
[15:09:57] <djdelorie> giggity
[15:10:10] <cradek> innovative
[15:10:16] <_methods> long term relationship
[15:10:18] <_methods> with no strings
[15:10:19] <_methods> lol
[15:10:29] <alex_joni> djdelorie: might be so..
[15:10:55] <alex_joni> https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Coins/Pages/edu_faq_coins_portraits.aspx
[15:11:19] <alex_joni> that classifies them as not current or as mutilated coins, so they lose all value except metal value
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[15:14:32] <CaptHindsight> didn't the value of the metals in pennies become more than the face value of the penny during the latter part of the Cheney administration?
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[15:18:28] <CaptHindsight> yeah, was 2007, but it was nickels, the nickle content made them worth 7.5 cents vs the 2.5 they started at years before
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[15:20:40] <CaptHindsight> and pennies minted before 1982 have a metal value 40% higher than their face value
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[15:40:26] <Jymmm> 1982 was when they started plating pennies?
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[15:50:25] <CaptHindsight> was when they significantly reduced the amount of copper
[15:50:47] <Jymmm> ah, and solid copper pennies?
[15:51:57] <CaptHindsight> doing something else right now but there are several historical articles on the Google
[15:53:26] <Jymmm> k, just thought you might know off the top of your head is all =)
[16:07:39] <neckro23> there must be an exception re: defacing pennies because those penny-squishing machines are everywhere
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[16:09:57] <Jymmm> exception?
[16:11:57] <Jymmm> The key word here is "fraudulently"...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/331
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[16:13:40] <neckro23> aha
[16:14:41] <CaptHindsight> we just used the commuter trains in the city
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[16:22:15] <JT-Shop> dang can't find my K-1
[16:24:22] <skunkworks_> Leave it to a Romanian to have a better grasp of US laws than me..
[16:24:24] <skunkworks_> :)
[16:24:36] <Loetmichel2> Jymmm: which country still has solid copper change?
[16:24:45] <Loetmichel2> i know of none around .eu
[16:24:55] <Loetmichel2> all copper plated steel core
[16:29:42] <FloppyDisk> what's a K-1? A vitamin maybe...
[16:30:47] <FloppyDisk> ps - can we stop making pennies already? One Penny used to buy several bus-rides way long ago.
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[16:33:15] <jdh> I generally leave them wherever I get them if I have to use cash
[16:35:40] <CaptHindsight> I epoxy them to the sidewalk outside of stock exchanges and watch the brokers fight to the death over them
[16:38:32] <Loetmichel2> CaptHindsight: s/epoxy/weld to a big nail... and then nail into the tarmac in the middle of the crossing ;)
[16:51:44] <archivist> rofl "excelent used condition"
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bench-Micrometer-0-4-by-Sigma-Instead-Co-Ltd-C-W-Mitutoyo-Dial-Gauge-vintage-/222083597517
[16:52:19] <archivist> missing parts, bodged with a dti
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[16:54:25] <CaptHindsight> creative solution
[16:55:25] <archivist> not worth the price, I usually manage 20-30 pounds on ebay
[16:57:10] <archivist> with the proper indicator they are nice
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[17:10:37] <maxcnc> hi
[17:11:05] <Encapsulation> hi
[17:11:12] <maxcnc> Loetmichel2: one thunderstorm after the other today
[17:11:13] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: don't even ask
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[17:12:13] <Encapsulation> probably ordering x6-2200l today, the value seems unbeatable, people are getting .1mm accuracy or better, comes with everything turn key solution
[17:13:23] <maxcnc> CaptHindsight: whats the weather like at your place
[17:14:36] <CaptHindsight> sunny and near 15C
[17:14:54] <maxcnc> we hit 18bevor the storm
[17:15:05] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: been a pretty snow-free and mild winter
[17:15:24] <maxcnc> same here only 3days of snow
[17:15:26] <CaptHindsight> just not above 10C much yet this spring
[17:15:44] <maxcnc> im at 49North
[17:15:48] <CaptHindsight> 20C+ this weekend finally
[17:16:38] <CaptHindsight> 42North 88W 280m elevation
[17:17:01] <maxcnc> im about 450m elv
[17:17:18] <CaptHindsight> it's pretty flat around here
[17:17:30] <maxcnc> not so here bumpy
[17:18:27] <maxcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llWrURnt7hU
[17:18:34] <maxcnc> highest point
[17:18:59] <CaptHindsight> our high points are man made
[17:19:14] <maxcnc> this is also
[17:19:21] <maxcnc> from 1066
[17:19:26] <maxcnc> 1966
[17:19:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.seechicagorealestate.com/uploads/agent-1/Chicago%20Penthouses%20For%20Sale.jpg
[17:20:06] <maxcnc> there are more people in one street as here in 200square km
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[17:21:04] <CaptHindsight> I'm in Shanghai often and it's far more dense there, Chicago is a tiny place in comparison
[17:21:50] <CaptHindsight> I'm actually about 80Km outside Chicago, more like your area
[17:22:52] <CaptHindsight> at least you have 1000 years of culture to explore, we mostly have just places to shop
[17:26:36] <mase-tech> Hi everybody
[17:29:03] <maxcnc> wie gehts was macht das wetter schon gewitter da oben
[17:29:13] <maxcnc> hier hats die FH fast verblasen
[17:30:21] <mase-tech> CaptHindsight: A lot more than that. From pre roman time till ww2 you can find everything.
[17:30:57] <mase-tech> Hallo hier sind auch einige Gewitter über Frankfurt niedergegangen
[17:40:13] <jdh> anyone have a national microfilm association gothic microfont?
[17:40:35] <jdh> as referenced in ansi y14.2
[17:40:41] <Jymmm> Uh.... Yeah, got that right here!
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[17:42:37] <Jymmm> jdh:
http://www.fontspace.com/micronus/y145m-2009
[17:43:04] <Jymmm> jdh: direct
http://www.fontspace.com/download/9006/862de5cd3f6f417f9e56e9d12fa58f5d/micronus_y145m-2009.zip
[17:43:45] <jdh> that one is way newer
[17:44:05] <Encapsulation> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlOrkt0Be2E
[17:44:45] <jdh> this one has an incomplete 3 at the bottom and O and Q are egg shaped
[17:45:54] <Jymmm> The font table pdf looks good
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[17:47:08] <Jymmm> jdh: as does this charmap
http://www.fontspace.com/micronus/y145m-2009/13390.charmap
[17:47:53] <jdh> looks like a better font, but not the one I need
[17:49:24] <Jymmm> jdh: Ask whoever sent you the shitty file, to send over the shitty font too ;)
[17:52:02] <Jymmm> It's actually not an unreasonable request.
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[17:55:07] <Jymmm> jdh: BTW...
http://www.cad-notes.com/what-is-the-standard-font-height-and-type/
[17:56:30] <Jymmm> jdh: Is this the shitty font you need?
https://cstools.asme.org/csconnect/Filedownload.cfm?thisfile=40069.ttf&dir=CommitteeFiles&42472.5803356
[17:56:37] <jdh> 1973 version Y14.2 spec
[17:56:55] <Jymmm> Oh, WOW
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[17:57:00] <Jymmm> that was 1994 btw
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[17:57:30] <Jymmm> jdh: maybe one of these at the bottom?
https://cstools.asme.org/csconnect/CommitteePages.cfm?Committee=C64041150&Action=40068
[17:58:42] <Jymmm> jdh: Maybe he might have it if you ask him
http://p-00-kanold.com/?page_id=7
[18:01:11] <maxcnc> Gn8
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[18:03:18] <Jymmm> jdh:
http://generalcadd.prophpbb.com/topic101.html
[18:04:15] <jdh> still too new
[18:05:17] <Jymmm> Well, that's it. Maybe pull out your time machine from where you got that drawing =)
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[18:10:35] <archivist> or get out the cheque book and pay for the font
[18:11:40] <jdh> I can find no seller
[18:16:47] <archivist> I do remember an irc user that seemed to collect fonts but /whois gave me a No such nick/channel
[18:17:43] <jdh> the references I see refer to it being used freehand for docs that would be microfilmed
[18:21:53] <Encapsulation> It's order day!!!
[18:22:02] <Encapsulation> I'll be back in a bit, making my final preparations
[18:23:03] <_methods> https://empireherald.com/cinnamon-roll-can-explodes-inside-mans-butt-during-shoplifting-incident/
[18:24:26] <Encapsulation> not real
[18:24:32] <Encapsulation> still somewhat humorous
[18:25:25] <Simonious> so.. I've got an old machine, two parallel ports, a little documentation - I would like a display screen that shows lights next to what EMC2 thinks each pin is, so I can toggle them in turn and confirm that things are setup correctly - is this a thing?
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[18:25:53] <archivist> Simonious, it is built in :)
[18:26:00] <Simonious> archivist: explain
[18:26:02] <Simonious> or link me..
[18:26:22] <jdh> menu choice in axis
[18:26:38] <archivist> and
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/halshow.html
[18:27:45] <archivist> and later you may want halscope
[18:29:23] <jdh> something that parsed your hal and generated a panel of discretes would be cool
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[18:36:02] <archivist> you would have too many probably
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[20:30:35] <Loetmichel2> *MUHAHA* i found an old "half" notebook in my junkpile while cleaning up... that beast still works... now: how to get win3.11 on that? Diskette drive still works, i can boot a win98 boot diskette i found... but i have no floppy images of 3.11 or dos 3.3 :-( ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16235&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[20:30:45] <Loetmichel2> (no idea where the Display went tho ;)
[20:31:12] <witnit> win? you mean like microsoft?
[20:31:28] <CaptHindsight> there are old copies floating around
[20:31:30] <cradek> Loetmichel2: minix
[20:31:31] <Loetmichel2> yes
[20:31:37] <witnit> floppix
[20:31:38] <witnit> :)
[20:31:55] <CaptHindsight> freedos
[20:32:13] <CaptHindsight> some sites even have downloads :)
[20:32:25] <cradek> CaptHindsight: can you install freedos without booting from cd?
[20:33:00] <CaptHindsight> cradek: used to off flash
[20:33:31] <cradek> yeah, same as cd - but he just has floppy
[20:33:39] <CaptHindsight> been years so I don't recall all the ways that worked and what didn't
[20:34:12] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel2: what IO is still there? just floppy?
[20:34:38] <Loetmichel2> floppy, lpt port, PCMCIA
[20:34:44] <Loetmichel2> serial
[20:34:52] <CaptHindsight> PCMCIA should make it easy
[20:35:01] <cradek> heh, how?
[20:36:08] <CaptHindsight> bootable PCMCIA
[20:36:28] <cradek> bet there's no such thing on this
[20:37:32] <CaptHindsight> I have an open bios kit from the 80's :)
[20:37:44] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel2: is it a 386?
[20:38:09] <Loetmichel2> 486 DX2 66
[20:38:11] <unfy> slackware 3.x on floppies ?
[20:38:21] <unfy> that's what i started with in the mid to late 90's
[20:38:29] <cradek> freebsd 4.11
[20:38:40] <unfy> enjoy the 2.0 kernel ._.
[20:39:01] <unfy> a modern dos or a light bsd (netbsd) is prolly your best bet
[20:39:19] <CaptHindsight> uwe_ found an older x86 laptop and had an Elks kernel running on it, think it was an 8086 or one of the NEC extended 8086 cpu's
[20:40:34] <mase-tech> I had very good experience with puppy linux
[20:41:43] <witnit> PLOP is a VERY good floppy disk boot loader, thought your machine doesnt have USB ports on slightly newer ones which do have usb but no usb boot option this is REALLY good
https://www.plop.at/en/ploplinux/index.html
[20:41:59] <witnit> puppy linux was good :), I think I switched to slax at one point tho
[20:42:13] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel2: did the laptop ever have a hard drive?
[20:43:49] <cradek> it says it has one
[20:43:57] <Loetmichel2> CaptHindsight: i managed to get Lubuntu 14.04 running on a Thinkpad 600E
[20:44:01] <Loetmichel2> any questions?
[20:44:02] <cradek> maybe it's 32 MB?
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[20:44:21] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16011&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[20:44:27] <Loetmichel2> its 16mb,
[20:44:30] <Loetmichel2> the chicony
[20:45:01] <Loetmichel2> CaptHindsight: i managed to get a ide44pin to SDcard adapter running in there
[20:45:06] <Loetmichel2> the disk was missing
[20:45:20] <mase-tech> As I made my thesis I meassured some very thin polymeres for oleds with a dektak. the dektak was connected to a windows "antike" system. The meassurement data was so big that I cound not use a floppy disk. So I conneced usb and bootet with puppy. I was a blast
[20:46:01] <CaptHindsight> mase-tech: what's a dektak?
[20:46:21] <mase-tech> surface profiler
[20:46:24] <joem_> hmmm.. hsm wants to know the flute length of my face mill
[20:46:32] <joem_> but my face mill uses 45 degree inserts
[20:47:02] <joem_> the insert tip's diameter maybe?
[20:48:00] <DaViruz> i guess that setting would be used as "max allowable depth of cut"?
[20:48:23] <joem_> yeah
[20:51:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/Floppy-Drive-Emulator-Emulator-Keep-Install/dp/B0083Z29JO
[20:51:48] <XXCoder> that is nice
[20:52:01] <CaptHindsight> $26, I recall spending thousands back in the day
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[20:52:50] <XXCoder> there is black version too
[20:52:52] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel2: ^^
[20:52:59] <XXCoder> at $15 more for some reasobn
[20:53:21] <CaptHindsight> for the black pigment to add to the plastic
[20:53:40] <CaptHindsight> and then you have to clean out the molding machine to go back to white :)
[20:54:29] <XXCoder> black version has very bad reviews
[20:55:04] <CaptHindsight> white version supremacists?
[20:55:35] <XXCoder> whats odd is other black version has more reviews and better than whtie one
[20:56:54] <CaptHindsight> the bad reviews are from the guys selling the white version
[20:57:27] <XXCoder> how did you figure that
[20:57:42] <CaptHindsight> lucky guess
[20:58:06] <XXCoder> lol
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[21:05:24] <JT-Shop> dang got my taxes done almost a week early... bad news I don't owe anything
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[21:07:14] <gregcnc> capthindsight how do we get china to knock off a 2" anglock vise instead of making more of those $50 screwless vises
[21:10:02] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: figure out some way for them to sell/market it
[21:10:30] <CaptHindsight> they will make anything that sells
[21:10:45] <CaptHindsight> that they can figure out how to make
[21:10:48] <gregcnc> sure if i ordered 50 i'm sure i could get what I want
[21:11:34] <unfy> jt: i had forgot about taxes as well. i still need to redo a w-4 so they take less out from day job ._. so yeah getting a refund.
[21:13:09] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: it's a good time there to make new things, their economy is down since the worlds spenders don't purchase as much anymore
[21:13:40] <CaptHindsight> the world is currently saturated with crap that people can afford
[21:14:00] <gregcnc> I'll have to check my contacts to see if they know any tool makers
[21:14:58] <gregcnc> i don't know how anyone makes money on a $50 vise
[21:16:26] <CaptHindsight> most of the US to China offshoring is already done
[21:17:07] <CaptHindsight> in fact people like Warrent Buffet are actually trying to reshore several businesses
[21:17:20] <CaptHindsight> since Chinese wages have gone up
[21:17:40] <unfy> what was the jobs related headlines last week ? the numbers are all b.s. anyway ... but something like US lost a bunch of manufacturing jobs but picked up some retail jobs etc
[21:17:54] <CaptHindsight> all made up
[21:18:10] <gregcnc> yeah a lot of china tooling has been creeping up. i don't know if it's cost or they figured out people will still pay because it's still cheaper
[21:18:11] <CaptHindsight> or they don't count people no longer looking for work
[21:18:12] <unfy> i know, but when even the made up numbers show a trend... heh
[21:18:45] <unfy> capt: every president in at least the last 35-40 years has recalculated how unemployment numbers work. *shrug* ... all b.s. anyway.
[21:19:10] <unfy> but, i will say - trying to find local stores that sell things to people who are trying to MAKE things is difficult.
[21:20:03] <unfy> even something that's labeled as a 'here make things' store such as hobby lobby - contains a lot of pre-fab kits and such. not so much the raw tools and materials.
[21:20:53] <CaptHindsight> unfy: well if you get to basic with the raw materials and tools you quickly run out of people skilled enough to make something
[21:21:01] <gregcnc> specialization of labor
[21:21:19] <CaptHindsight> hobby shops were all over when I was a kid
[21:21:29] <unfy> capt: yeah, i imagine the client base is tiny. much like how radio shack only had parts be a tiny corner of the store in the past 20 years etc
[21:21:30] <gregcnc> most people don't want to get dirty, it's easier to buy it
[21:21:53] <CaptHindsight> or they don't have time working 3 minimum wage jobs
[21:22:07] <CaptHindsight> or 70 hour a week salaried positions
[21:22:27] <CaptHindsight> who has free time anymore?
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[21:23:17] <unfy> a cd with rush - working man has found it's way into my player for drive to/from work the past week :D
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[21:31:34] <CaptHindsight> Fly by Night was great album, well they hardly had any bad ones
[21:32:30] <CaptHindsight> Working Man was on Rush
[21:33:24] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_%28Rush_album%29
[21:34:13] <unfy> rush is either like or don't like... soooo heh
[21:34:44] <JT-Shop> I like moving pictures
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[21:37:42] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:02:08] <joem_> sanity check?
https://i.imgur.com/gfeAuDj.png
[22:02:50] <_methods> way slow
[22:03:11] <joem_> 1hp motor
[22:03:19] <joem_> but i wasn't able to enter that anywhere
[22:03:28] <_methods> well if that's all your setup can handle then that's all yo ucan use
[22:03:39] <CaptHindsight> started out as just a Metal band and then really showed off their musical abilities leaving Pop/Metal/Hard Rock fans behind and puzzled at times
[22:03:51] <_methods> but you should be around 1000 sfm for alum with carbide endmill
[22:03:55] <_methods> assuming 2fl CEM
[22:04:29] <_methods> or 3fl
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[22:05:54] <joem_> hmmmm
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[22:06:27] <_methods> but most hobby machines wont' get you anywhere near those speeds or feeds
[22:06:31] <joem_> looks like RPM is limiting me
[22:06:38] <joem_> (and, by association, power)
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[22:06:44] <gregcnc> you adjust DOC and WOC and make sure you don't exceed HP avilable and cutter strenght
[22:07:06] <joem_> at around 15krpm will that result in 981 sfm
[22:07:12] <_methods> yep
[22:07:20] <joem_> i have 2000rpm max, and no cooling (yet) hehe
[22:07:25] <gregcnc> G0704?
[22:07:27] <joem_> ya
[22:07:47] <_methods> yeah so you should just find a happy medium that doesn't gall up your flutes
[22:08:25] <joem_> i was told this machine like faster feed rates with less woc
[22:09:43] <gregcnc> nothing you can do about RPM, but you can definitely cut deeper. I was cutting a pocket with a 2FL 1/4 in aluminum >5/8" at .02"WOC
[22:10:36] <joem_> at what rpm?
[22:10:55] <gregcnc> 4k RPM and 800mm/m
[22:12:21] <joem_> ah ok
[22:12:44] <gregcnc> if I had 2k it would just be 400mm/m and take twice as long
[22:14:19] <joem_> well then
[22:14:52] <joem_> i used those parameters, .625 doc, .02 woc, 2000rpm, and ended up with a feed rate of 17.12in/min, or a little over 430mm/min
[22:15:02] <joem_> so fswizard isn't completely dumb :)
[22:15:08] <gregcnc> yeah it's not magic
[22:15:20] <joem_> whats the worst that can happen
[22:15:48] <gregcnc> pocket or external?
[22:16:00] <joem_> external
[22:16:05] <joem_> but i will have pocket operations
[22:16:35] <gregcnc> external is easy. pocket you ahve to get the endmill to the bottom of the hole first then watch the chips
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[22:17:00] <gregcnc> so either drill, or helical mill to the bottom
[22:17:05] <joem_> yeah, helix plunge, but at what speed
[22:17:11] <joem_> slow hehe
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[22:17:16] <gregcnc> same rpm half the feed
[22:17:32] <joem_> calculated based on a 100% woc, of course
[22:17:34] <gregcnc> 1-2° helix
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[22:18:23] <gregcnc> with three flutes you'll want to drill
[22:18:31] <joem_> orly
[22:18:35] <joem_> good to know
[22:18:39] <gregcnc> but you might get away with it
[22:18:51] <joem_> i have other drills, bigger than my 1/4" end mill, so
[22:18:52] <joem_> no prob
[22:19:14] <joem_> er other drillable holes
[22:19:20] <joem_> and then one pocket that i can thru drill
[22:19:51] <joem_> for helix plunging with a end mill, is 4 flute better?
[22:20:19] <gregcnc> no, less flutes is better, the chips need somewhere to go
[22:20:24] <joem_> ahhh ok
[22:20:35] <joem_> if it matters, 45 degree helix for evacuating chips quicker
[22:20:50] <joem_> i have some HSS+Tn 2 flutes with tighter helix
[22:21:00] <joem_> but, they're china special
[22:21:08] <joem_> this 3fl is my only quality end mill :)
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[22:24:18] <gregcnc> i've done three before, but on my frankenmill which I usually have a vacuum to eat chips faster than the machine makes them, even at 15kRPM
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[23:01:00] <joem_> gregcnc, darn, fswizonline doesn't recomend climb/conventional
[23:01:08] * joem_ guesses climb
[23:01:17] <joem_> because i love seeing chips fly out from the cutting edge and material
[23:01:25] <joem_> as it travels along it's path
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[23:01:46] * joem_ guesses conventional
[23:01:56] <joem_> becuse i may not be able to evac the chips fast enough?
[23:03:13] <JT-Shop> nothing like a glass of dry red and Joe Walsh
[23:03:23] <joem_> that sounds much fancier than me
[23:03:42] <joem_> nothin like a pint of homebrew and an episode of better call saul
[23:04:39] <JT-Shop> speaking of brew
http://gnipsel.com/beer/beer.html
[23:04:54] <joem_> yay!
[23:05:59] <JT-Shop> looks like I need to update my home page lol
[23:06:54] <JT-Shop> I do like the home page :)
[23:07:19] <JT-Shop> beer page is cool too
[23:07:42] * JT-Shop goes to watch the pet deer eat dinner
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[23:56:02] <CaptHindsight> is home distilling legal anywhere outside the US besides places like Somalia?
[23:59:04] <unfy> might be in the UK, not sure
[23:59:50] <unfy> a google thing immediately hits to:
http://homedistiller.org/intro/legal
