#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-04-11

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[00:00:20] <enleth> zeeshan|2: more like post a big red warning before homing, like "CHECK YOUR FUCKING CLEARANCES BEFORE PROCEEDING"
[00:00:30] <yasnak> capt & _methods: industrial cnc machines can seriously take a beating. our mill has never needed a realignment. only thing thats ever needed to be replaced was the linear encoder. i watched a night shift girl plunge a sandvik 5" insert mill into a 12x12" block of aluminum at rapid like it was butter. just had to repalce the insert mill head as some of the seats were a bit damaged haha.
[00:00:49] <Duc> enleth: bridgeport 300GX about 11k http://www.hardinge.com/usr/pdf/milling/1371gx300510.pdf
[00:01:12] <zeeshan|2> hehe]
[00:01:36] <Duc> remember a operator is just a button pusher that is being paid 15/hr so they dont care or arent paying attention
[00:01:56] <enleth> jeez, those modern mills, all looking like very high tech port-a-potties
[00:02:33] <enleth> like, just look at this photo of three of them side by side
[00:02:38] <Duc> space is costly in a plant. we have 50 of these in a row
[00:02:47] <Duc> not including our other stuff
[00:02:59] <yasnak> exactly why I pushed so hard and finally got a m432viii citizen. cuts nearly half of our mill/lathe work down. http://www.swisstechmachinery.com/assets/M4-32.pdf
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[00:03:29] <Duc> nice swiss machine yasnak
[00:03:51] <enleth> they stopped making the traditional stuff before I was born but I still prefer the way it looks
[00:05:14] <yasnak> swiss is my baby, i can read the code and write it on the fly. only use cam for complex milling otherwise I get annoyed with most post's code. i have tools pre-prepared for operators with setup sheets that have the tools in quick change holders w/preset lengths. i literally try to take any skill out of operating as possible because lets not beat around the bush...USA has a huge skilled machinist/machining problem that we can't solve overnight.
[00:05:16] <enleth> although the whole "not getting rained upon with a torrent of scalding hot chips" thing does sway it in the favor of modern machines
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[00:06:53] <CaptHindsight> yasnak: you let the Chinese do it :)
[00:07:53] <CaptHindsight> and stop making complex parts, make bombs, missiles and aircraft engines easier to assemble and replace :)
[00:08:11] <Duc> nah takes to long to get feedback. month to get parts then another 2 months for corrections
[00:08:39] <enleth> yasnak: it's not just a US problem
[00:08:49] <CaptHindsight> it's all about collecting money that you'll never spend, the rest is just madness, oh and power, you need to have that as well
[00:10:26] <yasnak> capt: one sec, i got pics to show I don't let the chinese/Japanese do it :P my newest setup is a legit long parts ejector (we got docked by osha for my over-night special thru-spindle tubing into bucket special)
[00:10:39] <enleth> a friend over here is going to inherit a machining business, mostly manual stuff, and he's working like crazy to actually learn the trade because his father's health prevents him from supervising the shop floor all the time, and those guys who work here...
[00:10:43] <enleth> all dumbasses
[00:11:06] <enleth> he says there were some who knew what they're doing but they were old and died off
[00:11:41] <Duc> the businesses also dont pay well
[00:12:03] <yasnak> enleth: i know, that's exactly why we need to take advantage of this. we as people need to become more productive. you cannot beat chinese labor. you can beat them when it comes to creativity and process. thats where we need to get good again and sadly so many people seem to just come in thinking they deserve a job and don't need to better themselves as they've been doing this so-and-so way forever so why change. :/
[00:12:14] <Duc> a good machinist cost as much as a seasoned engineer
[00:13:05] <yasnak> I personally look for kids interested in machining who have programmed on computers before. The rest I can teach as long as they have the drive to learn and better themselves the sky isnt even the limit. technology is there, time/skill isn't.
[00:13:08] <Duc> cycle time counts and cost. we dont have cheap labor
[00:14:13] <enleth> and the funny thing? there are people who'd probably work in the trade if they had the chance to learn it
[00:14:25] <enleth> the question is, where would they do it
[00:14:38] <Duc> community colleges still teach it
[00:14:44] <enleth> in the US maybe
[00:14:48] <yasnak> ehhh, even then
[00:14:54] <enleth> in most of the EU, not really
[00:14:58] <yasnak> the skills these days are so far and broad
[00:15:18] <yasnak> give me a computer programmer or a younger guy who can take a print and make a part on a manual lathe
[00:15:24] <yasnak> thats all i need
[00:15:26] <enleth> especially the post-soviet countries - we dumped all that curriculum as "socialist"
[00:16:25] <enleth> now people are starting to realize it's not really a good idea to have millions of people holding useless degress and no trade
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[00:16:38] <yasnak> I find it amazing how many manufacturing jobs go vacant. Its amazing because thats where I started, never went to college. Started working to pay for college and one thing led to another....12 years later I run the shop.
[00:16:44] <enleth> but the damage is done, there's a 30 year gap in the workforce
[00:16:48] <yasnak> yeah
[00:16:56] <yasnak> so how do we fix it? we need to fix it with automation.
[00:17:08] <enleth> but someone needs to program all this stuff
[00:17:16] <yasnak> Thats us
[00:17:16] <Ralith> I know someone who's interested in getting into machining but really doesn't want to get stuck doing completely rote production line labor all day long
[00:17:19] <Ralith> is this realistic?
[00:17:20] <CaptHindsight> enleth: no that was all part of the tuition scam
[00:17:58] <yasnak> but isn't it amazing? We have cnc robotic cells
[00:18:00] <CaptHindsight> get as many people to get student loans as possible since they can't get out of them, not even through bankruptcy
[00:18:01] <Ralith> and if so what might be involved in accomplishing that?
[00:18:08] <Duc> Ralith: job shops would be a good start for the person after tech school
[00:18:24] <Duc> I just paid all mine off last month wohooo
[00:18:33] <enleth> CaptHindsight: that's also a US thing I guess, higher education has always been free of charge over here, it just got overhyped, especially liberal arts and stuff like that
[00:18:42] <Ralith> Duc: is tech school mandatory? can you elaborate on what exactly it is?
[00:18:46] <yasnak> I programmed the robot to load the parts onto our CMM and output the qc calc data to excel. then another macro will send messages via email if things start to get close to tolerance.
[00:19:24] <Ralith> I mention this now because they specifically are interested in being the kind of skilled machinist I think you guys are mourning the absence of
[00:19:34] <yasnak> I really want to be able to integrate the machines so that I can send a txt back saying to swap tool out for another (that way there isn't a set limit on parts per tool). working on this part
[00:19:39] <Duc> Ralith: Just a 2 year college in the US. Not required some shops may take you on if you have the will to learn. They would start you out as cheap labor
[00:19:57] <Ralith> that seems like it might be a good fit
[00:20:00] <Valen> Ralith: I don't think anybody is going to be paying somebody to stand in front of a lathe all day anymore
[00:20:06] <Valen> well outside the US and china perhaps
[00:20:11] <CaptHindsight> yeah, CAM takes care of it, you just program the CNC machine and walk away
[00:20:13] <Ralith> (he's in a major US port city)
[00:20:16] <Valen> it'd be one off jobs
[00:20:23] <Ralith> Valen: good to know, thanks
[00:20:24] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: i wish it worked like that
[00:20:25] <zeeshan|2> ;[
[00:20:32] <yasnak> ralith, I'm skilled in a different way. the old school machinists I tried so hard to absorb all information (even if they were the biggest assholes ever, haha, but so awesome) they'd give but they're now all retiring. so its like reinventing the wheel.
[00:20:36] <Duc> cnc are only good for 20+ parts below that its cheaper for manual
[00:20:47] <yasnak> Duc not true bro
[00:20:49] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: you have an old CNC, the new stuff just about runs itself :)
[00:20:54] <zeeshan|2> haha
[00:20:57] <zeeshan|2> ive used enough new machines!
[00:20:58] <Valen> If the wage is decent it should be doing stuff that's not worth spending the time doing CAM on
[00:21:01] <yasnak> Depends on what it is but you can easily do small lots productively
[00:21:02] <zeeshan|2> setup is always a pain :P
[00:21:03] <enleth> Ralith: hard to skip the initial shit shift altogether, you need to know what the heck is this machine for to be able to program it, so you need to use it a little
[00:21:11] <zeeshan|2> "setup tools"
[00:21:11] <yasnak> ^^
[00:21:14] <zeeshan|2> "dial part"
[00:21:14] <Ralith> enleth: oh, of course
[00:21:17] <zeeshan|2> "find a fixture"
[00:21:19] <zeeshan|2> "make a fixture"
[00:21:39] <Ralith> enleth: I'm just envisioning the probably-obsolete role of the guy who's a glorified robotic arm and isn't actually learning anything or presented with any opportunity for career advancement
[00:21:47] <yasnak> the shit shift = separates the complainers and question askers vs problem solvers and do-ers. that shift needs to happen for a bare min of two years I believe.
[00:21:50] <Duc> yasnak: depends on the part but simple things can be easier with manual
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[00:22:05] <zeeshan|2> Duc: i totally agree
[00:22:13] <zeeshan|2> sometimes i still use my d rill press to make holes
[00:22:14] <Ralith> so long as there's professional development going on I fully respect that you start at the bottom
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[00:22:22] <zeeshan|2> by the time i'd boot up the cnc and run up warm up
[00:22:23] <yasnak> duc true, I mean anything very simple I'd make on the manual anyways. we've got this old burgmaster with the template and rotary tool changer. why not break it out? :P
[00:22:24] <zeeshan|2> i could be done :P
[00:22:25] <CaptHindsight> the new CNC's make their own fixtures, you just stack metal on one end and the parts come out shrink wrapped an QC'ed on the other
[00:22:58] * zeeshan|2 sees no reason to own a manual lathe
[00:23:00] <zeeshan|2> other than cost
[00:23:01] <Duc> I love breaking out the manual machine and Im a process engineer that shouldnt be allowed to touch machines
[00:23:12] <Valen> CnC + handwheels ;-P
[00:23:17] <zeeshan|2> Valen: exactly!
[00:23:20] <Ralith> Duc: any general thoughts on how someone might best look for such an entry-level position in a major US city?
[00:23:24] <CaptHindsight> you just can't move them since they have GPS and only work within 10ft of where they were paid for :)
[00:23:27] <zeeshan|2> shop space is limited here :[
[00:23:47] <Duc> Ralith: what kind of skill sets do you have? Under stand G-code, read calipers?
[00:23:59] <Tom_itx> everyone needs a manual lathe
[00:24:12] <Ralith> Duc: this is literally for a friend, I'm quite happy being a successful software engineer myself :P
[00:24:17] <Tom_itx> you can't go thru life without one
[00:24:21] <Tom_itx> it's da law
[00:24:26] <yasnak> duc, honestly at the higher level you need to have people skills. seriously. people skills are the hardest thing i've had to deal with
[00:24:29] <Duc> what city is he in
[00:24:34] <CaptHindsight> Ralith: around here you drive past whats left of the factories and the recruiters have signs up for what they are looking for
[00:24:42] <Ralith> Duc: planning on Seattle
[00:24:47] <Duc> yasnak: yes and understanding how people work
[00:25:01] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 does SW have a 'reuse pattern' feature?
[00:25:02] <CaptHindsight> CNC setup, machinists, welders etc
[00:25:03] <yasnak> capthindsight: this is me not relying on chinese/jap/ect lol http://imgur.com/a/7503b
[00:25:04] <enleth> fun fact: I had 10 people, all working in IT, attend an 8 hour long workshop this week to learn some milling basics, and several times that in line for the same, after I got my mill working and shown them what it does. Most of those people have long wanted to switch to something more varied than their IT jobs, but had nowhere to go to learn.
[00:25:22] <yasnak> enleth
[00:25:31] <yasnak> these people are exactly what i'd die for
[00:25:36] <Duc> Ralith: https://www.shoreline.edu/cncmachinist/ school like this
[00:26:14] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: no
[00:26:15] <yasnak> I was one of these. I wanted to go to school for computer science. still a huge computer nerd. I can honestly say the fact that I had programmed before combined with my skills on a computer has been nothing but a blessing.
[00:26:19] <enleth> yasnak: the best part: I'm still in the IT business myself
[00:26:20] <zeeshan|2> not that i know of
[00:26:23] <Ralith> he doesn't have any direct experience with machine tools but has been a customer to machine shops to support his car hobby work for plenty of time, does his own welding, etc
[00:26:26] <yasnak> Unfortunately I also get the best part of having to do our IT too
[00:26:35] <yasnak> wow
[00:26:36] <zeeshan|2> prolly cause it is likely pointles?
[00:26:39] <Ralith> Duc: thanks!
[00:26:42] <zeeshan|2> at least for me!
[00:26:42] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, it's a cool feature
[00:26:48] <enleth> like, that's what's paying my bills - and buying my machining stuff
[00:26:54] <zeeshan|2> i do my similar circlular patterns together
[00:26:55] <zeeshan|2> not seperately
[00:26:59] <Tom_itx> for pattern constraint features
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[00:27:05] <zeeshan|2> mirrors/patterns are always at the end for me
[00:27:06] <yasnak> thats funny haha. once you fix one problem you're automatically the go-to guy
[00:27:08] <Tom_itx> it keeps the constraints too
[00:27:54] <Duc> yasnak: yep now days you almost need a IT degree to write the macros and g-code stuff
[00:28:05] <yasnak> haha
[00:28:19] <Duc> some get really complicated
[00:28:39] * zeeshan|2 writes macros for inventor and does not have it degree
[00:28:39] <zeeshan|2> :P
[00:28:47] <Duc> but then again I can right G-code by hand yet
[00:28:52] <Duc> cant
[00:28:57] <zeeshan|2> don't bother
[00:29:01] <Sync> ^
[00:29:02] <zeeshan|2> thats how you crash machines
[00:29:03] <yasnak> duc, its amazing too. if i had time I'd write all sorts of macros and family of parts programs. but time/energy is something I am limited in. i'd probably be so embarrassed if I randomly picked three programs and sent them to you guys haha.
[00:29:10] <zeeshan|2> you want to use a proper cam software w/ verify
[00:29:19] <yasnak> why?
[00:29:22] <yasnak> thats no fun
[00:29:32] <zeeshan|2> the main way to crash it then is forgetting a clamp was in the way
[00:29:32] <zeeshan|2> :P
[00:29:32] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, there's a guy in catia class that used inventor for quite a while
[00:29:57] <yasnak> i'd rather write my 5axis programs without any simulations and at 3:30am after an all-day/night outing :P
[00:30:07] <yasnak> it adds to the excitement
[00:30:11] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[00:30:23] <Duc> LOL launched my gantry off the plasma table after a night of drinking
[00:30:30] <yasnak> but seriously, best part about these newER citizen swiss machine? they have simulation!
[00:30:42] <enleth> Duc: that's one of the fun things about showing IT people how to program a CNC mill - they're still hazy about the mechanical side of things, but catch up on advanced control features right away
[00:30:56] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 got the subaru engine back together yet?
[00:31:03] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: yea
[00:31:07] <zeeshan|2> about to go put the flywheel on
[00:31:09] <yasnak> right? teaching it people how to write if then macros...pssshhhh. :P
[00:31:11] <zeeshan|2> had to make a couple tools in the way
[00:31:11] <zeeshan|2> :P
[00:31:40] <Duc> enleth: I understnad the electrical and mechanical side alot better
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[00:32:31] <enleth> that actually makes me think - who are the people who desing and build the modern machine tools?
[00:33:14] <Duc> a large team of people
[00:33:32] <enleth> some specialists for sure, but designing a VMC must take at least one guy who's adept in all it takes to build one to coordinate the work
[00:33:40] <Tom_itx> i do that on my laptop in the evening
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[00:34:40] <enleth> someone has to be the proxy between the mechanics, electrical designers, embedded programmers and high-level programmers
[00:34:52] <yasnak> enleth
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[00:34:57] <Duc> project manager
[00:34:57] <zeeshan|2> enleth: they are called system engineers
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[00:35:10] <yasnak> for the most part the smaller companies actually just rebrand machines
[00:35:33] <yasnak> like for instance star...they support/sell spare parts. install and such. they don't build them
[00:35:36] <enleth> yasnak: what about the likes of Haas or Seiki Mori?
[00:35:50] <yasnak> they built a control that is essentially a GUI on top of the yaskawa siemens control
[00:37:22] <yasnak> HAAS and Seiki are large enough that they can do some serious training, obviously those who learn the skills end up becoming the "proxy". but for the most part these machines are built buy totally different companies (bigger guys excluded!) and rigged for whatever purpose by the company that sells it.
[00:37:53] <Tom_itx> haas gives the school here free machines
[00:38:15] <Tom_itx> in trade for an occasional demo on them for a client is my understanding
[00:38:33] <enleth> Duc: nah, the project manager is there to make sure the work goes smoothly, but he's not going to be able to speak like an equal with a mechanical engineer on the prototyping floor one minute, the EE guy doing servo drives the next, and the programmer doing position control on some embedded chip immediately afterwards
[00:38:54] <zeeshan|2> system engineers can
[00:39:12] <Duc> enleth: some people have multiple skill sets which helps with the talks
[00:39:40] <enleth> Duc: but that's, I think, what zeeshan|2 called a system engineer, not a project manager
[00:39:48] <Duc> true
[00:40:30] <Duc> wonder if I can get a job at HAAS
[00:40:30] <yasnak> We have some Bulova mills, http://www.bulovatech.com/. these machines are just rebranded UGint machines. http://www.ugint.co.kr/
[00:40:36] <zeeshan|2> duc
[00:40:38] <zeeshan|2> work at tormach
[00:40:42] <yasnak> Pls don't. lol
[00:40:47] <zeeshan|2> tell them zeeshan|2 says they make POS
[00:40:47] <zeeshan|2> :D
[00:40:50] * zeeshan|2 hides
[00:40:54] <yasnak> Ahaha
[00:41:12] <Duc> I already have a machine better than a tormach, I would like a Haas at a discount
[00:41:20] <zeeshan|2> what do you have
[00:41:20] <yasnak> I mean they've got a purpose and there is tons of them. But when it comes to breaking down right before a deadline HAAS always has your back.
[00:41:30] <yasnak> Okuma and Mori's :P
[00:41:44] <Duc> bridgeport boss 5
[00:41:45] <zeeshan|2> i cant wait to get my nakamura lathe going
[00:41:49] <zeeshan|2> 600 ipm boys!
[00:41:53] <Duc> with yaskawa servos
[00:41:54] <zeeshan|2> 20HP!!
[00:42:00] <yasnak> What model?
[00:42:05] <yasnak> Those things looked wicked
[00:42:23] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glsEopVt3O8
[00:42:26] <zeeshan|2> tnc 3
[00:42:28] <zeeshan|2> just like that
[00:42:56] <enleth> Duc: not much of a BOSS in it anymore, is it?
[00:43:09] <zeeshan|2> Duc: that is significantly better than a tormach
[00:43:16] <enleth> Duc: the iron was almost the same as Series 1 CNC I think
[00:43:16] <Duc> enleth: The spindle motor is still the same but thats it
[00:43:18] <zeeshan|2> =D
[00:43:25] <Duc> it is a series 1 cnc originally
[00:43:30] <yasnak> What kind of chuck did it come with?
[00:43:36] <zeeshan|2> hydraulic
[00:43:42] <yasnak> Know the brand by chance?
[00:43:44] <yasnak> jw
[00:44:03] <yasnak> Ours ended up having some terribly low max RPM
[00:44:25] <zeeshan|2> you have a tnc 3??!!?
[00:44:45] <yasnak> *we only have one normal lathe, okuma space turn not a nakamura
[00:45:09] <enleth> Duc: oh, by the way, do you have a hollow spindle in it, or still using QC30?
[00:45:31] <Duc> enleth: QC30 since it was a solid spindle and I have 50 tools for it
[00:46:00] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/ZIczyMv.jpg
[00:46:10] <enleth> Duc: did you manage to find an ER40 holder that fits QC30?
[00:46:52] <yasnak> haha, okay i've got that one too
[00:46:56] <zeeshan|2> nice!
[00:46:58] <yasnak> its something around 4800
[00:47:16] <yasnak> nice chuck tho, heavy as a bitch so put a pipe in it when taking off lol
[00:47:29] <yasnak> nearly took my other knee out doing it the first time
[00:47:37] <zeeshan|2> 4200 rpm
[00:47:40] <yasnak> yeah
[00:47:47] <zeeshan|2> machine can do 6000 i think
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[00:47:52] <yasnak> geared?
[00:48:01] <yasnak> i mean do you need to program the gears?
[00:48:07] <Duc> enleth: I believe so. Bison tool# N30-40ER350-B US shop tools sells it
[00:48:10] <zeeshan|2> its got a low and high gear
[00:48:30] <Duc> enleth: I have the ER32 tool which works well
[00:48:30] <yasnak> nice nice
[00:48:44] <zeeshan|2> yasnak: http://i.imgur.com/oH2zCdh.jpg
[00:48:45] <enleth> Duc: thanks. Do you have any photos of your QC30 tool drawer?
[00:48:46] <zeeshan|2> thats the trans
[00:48:47] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:48:52] <zeeshan|2> it weighs more than my subaru engine
[00:48:58] <Duc> enleth: let me go take one
[00:49:08] <zeeshan|2> note the number of belts required
[00:49:30] <yasnak> so tis been replaced?
[00:49:37] <yasnak> you have this machine now or no?
[00:49:53] <Tom_itx> it's a paperweight right now
[00:50:16] <yasnak> lol
[00:50:23] <zeeshan|2> yasnak: it is a paper weight
[00:50:24] <zeeshan|2> sitting in my garage
[00:50:26] <zeeshan|2> needs a control
[00:50:30] <zeeshan|2> and conversion to single phase
[00:50:38] <yasnak> wtf lol
[00:50:42] <zeeshan|2> :)
[00:50:44] <yasnak> i guess for a garage setup
[00:50:47] <yasnak> but jeeeeez
[00:50:49] <Tom_itx> stop plain around with those silly car engines and get busy
[00:50:53] <yasnak> what a project, keep it update dhaha
[00:50:54] <Tom_itx> playin
[00:51:16] <zeeshan|2> soon tom :P
[00:51:27] <zeeshan|2> i need a reliable car first
[00:51:28] <zeeshan|2> :P
[00:51:36] <zeeshan|2> then i need the ability to move the garage queen outside
[00:51:38] <zeeshan|2> then the lathe :)
[00:51:39] <Tom_itx> i wonder who will be done first. you with the lathe or pete with his tool changer
[00:51:55] <Duc> enleth: http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/Boss5%20servo/20160410_194943_zpsbunqmg6b.jpg http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/Boss5%20servo/20160410_194933_zps8krkrkhf.jpg
[00:52:13] <Duc> enleth: a new rotary table http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/Boss5%20servo/20160313_114108_zpswnvyovfb.jpg
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[00:52:25] <Tom_itx> speak of the devil
[00:52:31] <malcom2073> Heyyyy it's Pete
[00:52:35] <malcom2073> How's Florida treating you?
[00:52:52] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: keep it up and ill machine your mill on the lathe!
[00:52:53] <zeeshan|2> :P
[00:52:57] <yasnak> Haha, where is pete in florida? :P <~ sarasota here
[00:53:14] <yasnak> And I'll answer for him...it was an amazingly nice day
[00:53:37] <BeachBumPete> It was INDEED an amazingly nice day actually ;)
[00:53:43] <zeeshan|2> Duc: you have a shit load of tools
[00:53:48] <malcom2073> Bah
[00:53:58] <BeachBumPete> we went fishing this evening and got some carvel ice cream after :D
[00:54:03] <enleth> Duc: taking it off and back on must be a bitch
[00:54:18] <zeeshan|2> Duc: what rotary table is that?
[00:54:21] <zeeshan|2> how much was it?
[00:54:36] <Duc> enleth: cherry picker I actually have technical questions about switching setups when Im not using it
[00:54:59] <Duc> Tsudakoma rotary table that I got for 1200 on ebay
[00:55:03] <zeeshan|2> wow!
[00:55:12] <zeeshan|2> is it direct drive?
[00:55:27] <Duc> no Yaskawa AC servo drive with gear reducation
[00:55:37] <zeeshan|2> what does it do for backlash
[00:55:44] <zeeshan|2> can you give me a model number
[00:55:46] <yasnak> beachbumpete: amazing day really haha https://youtu.be/Ilzntrag6wo
[00:55:48] <zeeshan|2> ive been looking for a rotary table
[00:55:54] <zeeshan|2> the ones i see are lall 5000+
[00:56:33] <Duc> low ball the shit out of them I got one down to 1400 from 5000
[00:56:37] <zeeshan|2> wow
[00:56:40] <BeachBumPete> yasnak NICE man this was my day yesterday... http://imgur.com/a/U7htE
[00:56:41] <Duc> one sec I will upload the pics
[00:56:56] <yasnak> where you at? northern florida?
[00:57:14] <enleth> Duc: as for tools - there's one interesting example in your drawer, the one by the left edge with a pretty big slitting saw inserted - it's got a reduced diameter shoulder to accomodate the QC30 locking ears. did you get it like that or modify it?
[00:57:17] <BeachBumPete> I am right now in Lake worth Florida but we are house hunting on the treasure coast
[00:57:45] <yasnak> ahh very nice. awesome area out that way
[00:58:01] <BeachBumPete> are you in Sarasota?
[00:58:28] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151881166863?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[00:58:41] <Duc> RNCV-201RB
[00:58:41] <yasnak> siesta key actually, well working on a shortsale there. job opened a facility down here and moved me with it. so yeah, sarasota is where the shop is. just off 75.
[00:59:11] <enleth> Duc: it's pretty damn hard to get QC30-ready holders where I live, right now I make do with chinese shit that just happens to have the proper flange thickness and just needs to be ground/turned down a bit to fit in the nut's mouth, but for bigger stuff I'm probably forced to do some extensive modding to holders I can buy
[00:59:33] <Duc> enleth: 3/4 solid collar tool with set screw for weldon shank original erickson tool
[00:59:37] <BeachBumPete> a short sale of a home?
[00:59:52] <enleth> Duc: you're lucky to have it
[01:00:12] <Duc> enleth: ebay has them but I got 99% of the tools with the mill
[01:00:50] <yasnak> yeah, took me awhile to find a place. trying for a short sale on the canal as my money isn't exactly overflowing. it will be my first house. if it falls through i'll just get a fixer upper and trade up haha
[01:00:54] <enleth> the guy I got the mill from *almost* got all the tooling when he bought it, but someone snatched it before he got there
[01:01:04] <Duc> arent you in germany?
[01:01:40] <BeachBumPete> I hear ya things have gotten a bit pricier here too. we have looked at a few homes but nothing has really caught our eye yet..
[01:01:41] <enleth> the worst part? he'd have sold me the machine with all the tooling for the same price if he got it, he's not dealing in metalworking machines at all and wouldn't know the actual value of the stuff
[01:01:56] <enleth> Duc: me? Poland
[01:02:08] <Duc> enleth: thought Bison was in poland?
[01:02:12] <yasnak> yeah. you need to just always be ready to buy. the good houses are out there at decent price but go so fast. housing is getting expensive again.
[01:02:29] <yasnak> im new down here so it took me awhile to find where to even look let alone what to look for haha
[01:02:31] <BeachBumPete> yeah we are ready to pounce man ;)
[01:02:51] <enleth> Duc: they are, and they indeed do have some QC30-compatible holders in their catalogue, but I've never seen them being sold online, no idea how much they cost
[01:02:51] <BeachBumPete> I actually grew up in Palm Beach county
[01:02:58] <enleth> Duc: for all I know, they might not even stock them
[01:03:02] <BeachBumPete> what kind of shop do you have?
[01:03:30] <yasnak> we're a one stop shop, two facilities for development and production of medical devices
[01:03:42] <BeachBumPete> wow nice
[01:03:48] <Duc> enleth: according to us shop tools its alround $100 us dollars
[01:03:58] <yasnak> one in wisconsin and the new one down here. was told we'd have better luck finding skilled labor :P
[01:04:10] <BeachBumPete> I am going to most likely be in the Port St. Lucie area directly east of you...
[01:04:24] <enleth> Duc: duh, I just realized you gave me a Bison part number earlier
[01:04:49] <Duc> enleth: LOL it happens
[01:05:24] <yasnak> very nice
[01:06:19] <BeachBumPete> I gotta get my Fish on here man all of the tricks I used to use when I lived here 15 years ago so far ain't workin' LOL
[01:06:28] <yasnak> My ex-girlfriend moved down to melbourne, every once and awhile I make a little trip haha. always fun to take the back roads through the state lol
[01:07:07] <Duc> enleth: which bridgeport did you get
[01:07:08] <BeachBumPete> well if you ever come this way again gimme a shout here and I will meet ya for a drink or something and we can chat CNC schtuff... :D
[01:07:12] <enleth> Duc: I just found the US Shop Tools catalog and there's no clear indication of QC30 compatiblity for their holders - so it's still a little bit of hit-and-miss
[01:07:21] <yasnak> haha for sure
[01:07:38] <Duc> enleth: I bought the ER32 bison tool for nmtb 30
[01:07:43] <yasnak> ever over here I'll take you fishing, not much from the dock tho. i've been doing deep sea and thats some fun stuff
[01:07:53] <BeachBumPete> I want to take my kids to the cape to watch a launch once we find our home and get settled in...
[01:07:53] <yasnak> by deep sea i mean 100ft or less haha
[01:08:16] <enleth> Duc: Series 1 MDI, that's identical iron as Series 1 CNC but with DC servos, a Heidenhain control and factory-fitted handwheels
[01:08:40] <BeachBumPete> yasknak I definitely will man We are planning a trip with our Fishing Kayaks over to Crystal river at some point...
[01:08:56] <enleth> Duc: caveat: only one servo drive, and the control can only do point-to-point with straight cut
[01:09:05] <BeachBumPete> I want to take a day or three out on the Gulf in the yak as well...
[01:09:14] <Duc> enleth: much cheaper to convert I would rip that shit off quickly for full 3 axis
[01:09:18] <enleth> Duc: but it's much easier to retrofit it for 3 axis milling than to modify the iron
[01:09:35] <yasnak> Isn't there some spot over there thats like the number one shark attack location? :P
[01:09:43] <enleth> Duc: honestly, the Heidenhain is *very* nice to use and I'd like to keep it
[01:09:43] <yasnak> my memory isn't all that good sometimes haha
[01:10:01] <Duc> enleth: there maybe a upgrade code to allow 3 axis
[01:10:17] <BeachBumPete> honestly there were several attacks on your side last year unfortunately ;)
[01:10:20] <enleth> Duc: I'm pretty sure it's often going to be easier and faster to skip booting the linuxcnc PC and just fire up the TNC to do something simple
[01:10:34] <enleth> Duc: and it's a pretty nice DRO too
[01:10:55] <yasnak> sigh, why you gotta do that ;)
[01:11:04] <enleth> Duc: mind you, I'm keeping the handwheels and this mill will see a lot of manual machining
[01:11:04] <yasnak> anyways nice meeting ya
[01:11:20] <BeachBumPete> hehe I am looking for a bongo board as the surf here is small but nice...
[01:11:20] <Duc> enleth: linuxcnc should still work with the handwheels I think
[01:11:50] <yasnak> wait till hurricane season :P
[01:11:57] <enleth> Duc: should, but unless I will be bothered to hook up the TNC panel and emulate it, the whole thing stays
[01:12:10] <yasnak> honestly i haven't seen a hurricane yet, so these hurricane parties are something I really want to experience this year
[01:12:31] <enleth> Duc: the single-command MDI mode with physical buttons is just much faster and more comfortable than linuxcnc's MDI stuff
[01:12:44] <BeachBumPete> I grew up here as I said and watched many come and go but never got more than a rough thunderstorm really..
[01:13:11] <Duc> enleth: a manual mill might be a good purchase sounds like a big issue to emulate
[01:13:33] <yasnak> haha, if we ever end up having one I'll be here in sarasota sandbagging the docking bay doors
[01:13:41] <enleth> Duc: no space for another machine, really
[01:14:14] <Duc> enleth: full conversion would probably be best. computer only takes 45 seconds
[01:14:31] <enleth> Duc: as for 3 axis milling on the TNC - it may be able to do diagonals *if* my unit is capable of doing 3 analog outputs instead of one, but certainly not arcs
[01:15:10] <enleth> Duc: maybe. In this case I'll reuse the panel, DRO displays and buttons for sure
[01:15:12] <Duc> enleth: will limit usage alot
[01:15:53] <Duc> enleth: have you seen the huge monitor and panel setup I use
[01:15:57] <enleth> Duc: the way I see it now - I'll try to hook up Mesa 7i77 in parallel with the I/O board of the TNC and interlock them
[01:16:12] <BeachBumPete> I hear ya man...
[01:16:31] <enleth> Duc: nope
[01:18:07] <enleth> Duc: so far I've been working on getting the mill operational as is anyway, and I'm almost there, it's already capable of doing small paid jobs, so I'm just using the TNC and I've gotten to like it
[01:18:08] <Duc> enleth: thread https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/12-milling/29997-bridgeport-boss5-stepper-to-servo
[01:18:50] <enleth> Duc: and before the linuxcnc conversion, keeping TNC or not, I have to upgrade to modern servo drives anyway
[01:19:32] <Duc> the yaskawa sigma5 drives were easy to work with
[01:20:23] <enleth> Duc: I've got a Bosch Z15-1A in there now, it's a piece of 70s shit, completely screwed, the way it's supplied with power is one of the most fucked up electrical systems I've ever seen
[01:21:17] <enleth> Duc: heh, you actually got a teletype with the mill?
[01:21:35] <Duc> enleth: yes and a box of new punch tape reels
[01:22:59] <enleth> Duc: the wiring in the cabinet is totally different from MDI's
[01:23:18] <Duc> enleth: probably older its from the late 70's
[01:23:27] <enleth> looks like MDI and CNC versions were based on the same iron but the electrical part was designed by completely different people
[01:23:36] <Duc> probably
[01:24:06] <enleth> MDI's electricals are much neater
[01:24:23] <enleth> just one box on the side, well laid out
[01:24:29] <Duc> weird they limited the axis movement. Probably has a way to get money
[01:25:09] <enleth> no idea, but of all things this mill might have lacked, this is the easiest to fix
[01:25:44] <enleth> and as far as I know, it's the only Bridgeport ever built with both servos and handwheels
[01:25:59] <enleth> at least on the CNC rigid ram iron
[01:26:46] <enleth> seeing that I bought it as a training and prototyping machine, I couldn't have gotten a better deal
[01:28:23] <enleth> Duc: usually a "hybrid" mill will suck hopelessly at either manual or CNC machining for some reason
[01:28:52] <enleth> this one has a chance of doing both well when I fit modern servo drives
[01:30:08] <Duc> maybe but you still cant feel the feedback like a manual machine
[01:30:43] <enleth> Duc: those are actual mechanical handwheels, not MPGs disguised as such
[01:30:55] <enleth> Duc: so I can and I do
[01:31:06] <Duc> ah wonder how the cnc will disconnect the feedback from the system.
[01:31:32] <enleth> Duc: they are just equipped with a nifty mechanism to engage them at will
[01:32:11] <enleth> Duc: so when you engage any of the handwheels, the servo drive is inhibited
[01:32:58] <enleth> Duc: for CNC work, all three need to be disengaged
[01:33:33] <Duc> how do you stop the ballscrews from moving with no motor holding them
[01:33:41] <enleth> brakes
[01:33:47] <enleth> there's one on every axis
[01:34:01] <Duc> ah
[01:34:13] <enleth> they're opened automatically on a particular axis when you engage a handwheel
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[01:35:08] <Duc> I usually use the mpg for manual machining LOL
[01:35:27] <enleth> the only thing they screwed up is that you can't really lock the axis quickly - you have to pull the handwheel out to have the machine detect it and close the brake
[01:35:50] <enleth> but it's quite easy to turn it a little when pulling it out, moving the axis
[01:36:53] <enleth> but that's easy enough to fix by adding an easy to reach switch by each handwheel, to force the brake closed
[01:37:17] <enleth> it will work just like clamping levers on a manual mill
[01:37:21] <Duc> wonder if you could tie a encoder to each handwheel to correct the position feedback in lcnc
[01:37:37] <enleth> why would I?
[01:37:50] <enleth> they're coupled with the whole axis drive
[01:37:56] <Duc> if you did have to convert it
[01:38:09] <enleth> the encoders are mounted on servos
[01:38:15] <enleth> and they *always* turn
[01:38:21] <Duc> ah so just have the drive disabled
[01:38:24] <Duc> makes more sense now
[01:38:32] <enleth> engaging the handwheel does not disengage a servo, just inhibits the drive
[01:38:45] <enleth> and for a good reason too
[01:39:04] <enleth> I had one of the handwheel detection switches misaligned when reassembling the mill
[01:39:27] <Duc> servo fought you some
[01:39:29] <enleth> almost broke some fingers
[01:40:07] <Duc> now that is dangerous maybe dual switches in order
[01:41:13] <enleth> nah, they're actually more likely to fail open when assembled properly, I was just really off with the alignment
[01:42:18] <Duc> what do you have left on the system to fix
[01:42:23] <enleth> also, that was Z, with the handwheel directly in line with the servo, so it started turning at some insane speed
[01:43:32] <enleth> some mechanical tuning - tightening the gibs really good, tramming the head and so on, couldn't be bothered to get all that completely straigt before
[01:43:46] <enleth> doing *something* with VariSpeed, it's extremely worn out
[01:44:27] <enleth> I'd love to fix it for the vintage factor but the more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to just get a pair of taperlock pulleys and a toothed belt
[01:44:28] <Duc> dont get rid of it but rebuild it
[01:44:48] <Duc> you lose alot of torque ripping it out
[01:44:51] <enleth> I mean, it's nice, but it will limit the max RPMs permanently
[01:45:04] <enleth> without it, this mill will happily go up to 8k or so
[01:45:24] <enleth> some run bridgeport spindles even faster with no ill effects
[01:45:39] <Duc> 4k is loud on mine
[01:46:14] <enleth> someone here noted that it's the backgear you should use to get more torque
[01:46:23] <enleth> they might have been correct
[01:46:28] <enleth> I'm not really sure
[01:47:05] <Duc> can image the sound at 8k
[01:47:12] <Duc> cant
[01:47:41] <enleth> what I know is that I need to do something because the motor shaft visibly wobbles and the pulley havles are out of round, out of taper and out of fucking anything they might have been
[01:47:59] <enleth> *halves
[01:48:21] <enleth> but rebuilding it would cost me up to $1500 which is more than I got this machine for
[01:48:44] <Duc> my thread shows converting to single pulley
[01:48:52] <enleth> while replacing all that with a toothed belt is about $150 or so
[01:49:11] <enleth> what I'd be happy to do is keeping all the parts
[01:49:20] <enleth> I'm not going to throw them away
[01:50:03] <Duc> looks like it time for a shower with wife
[01:50:09] <Duc> have a goodnight
[01:50:17] <Duc> Ill be on tomorrow
[01:50:20] <enleth> but I don't feel like using them if the whole mill visibly vibrates on most speeds and I have to carefully tune it to work sort of OK
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[02:43:35] <zeeshan|2> duc
[02:43:35] <zeeshan|2> thanks
[02:43:54] <Duc> not a problem
[02:44:23] <Duc> zeeshan|2: what size are you looking for
[02:44:36] <zeeshan|2> duc you saw my machine right?
[02:44:46] <zeeshan|2> it doesnt have a long table like the bridgeport
[02:44:49] <zeeshan|2> but it does have a horizontal spindle
[02:45:01] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of mounting a very low profile rotary table onto the table
[02:45:07] <zeeshan|2> (C axis)
[02:45:13] <zeeshan|2> and operating the mill in horizontal mode
[02:45:15] <Duc> yea I remember the deckel
[02:45:24] <zeeshan|2> the table can be at most 5" thick
[02:45:26] <Duc> you can build a fixture table to extend the table
[02:45:41] <zeeshan|2> for me i want to operate the rotary table in tomb stone style
[02:46:23] <Duc> I think I know which ebay one you want
[02:46:36] <zeeshan|2> link link link
[02:47:38] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tsudakoma-RN-150-R-2-Dual-Head-Rotary-Indexer-Table-/361445680607?hash=item5427d765df:g:BwkAAOSwp5JWZuLt
[02:48:00] <Duc> remove one of them
[02:48:07] <Duc> or something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/TSUDAKOMA-CNC-/141488662425?hash=item20f161a799:g:izQAAOSw0vBUeP-G
[02:48:29] <zeeshan|2> that second one
[02:48:30] <zeeshan|2> damn :D
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[02:49:14] <Duc> about 12inch tall about
[02:49:41] <zeeshan|2> yours came with the servo right?
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[02:50:08] <Duc> yes
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[02:50:44] <Duc> thats whats under the cover but it could be a DC servo or AC under the cover
[02:51:11] <zeeshan|2> ah
[02:53:30] <Duc> hard to say I lucked out with a yaskawa AC servo
[02:53:41] <zeeshan|2> dc/acdoesnt matter to me
[02:53:43] <zeeshan|2> both last a long time :P
[02:54:11] <Duc> yes I dont think you will find a stepper under there
[02:54:19] <zeeshan|2> i hope not
[02:54:24] <zeeshan|2> i'd chuck that crap across to tormach
[02:54:28] <zeeshan|2> they might find it useful
[02:54:29] <zeeshan|2> or malcom2073
[02:54:29] <zeeshan|2> :P
[02:54:38] * zeeshan|2 hides!
[02:55:12] <Duc> lol
[02:55:48] <Duc> ok its bed time for me
[02:55:54] <zeeshan|2> cya
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[05:24:30] <pink_vampire> ?
[05:25:29] <XXCoder> yo
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[06:06:23] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we4DU6CZKfU&feature=youtu.be
[06:06:29] <XXCoder> hm little bit dim
[06:06:47] <XXCoder> gonna love overly bright flashlights though lol
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[06:14:29] <XXCoder> https://hackaday.io/project/8171-everymans-turbomolecular-pump
[06:14:38] <XXCoder> hard vacuum for home hobbists
[06:19:05] <FloppyDisk> cool...
[06:19:16] <XXCoder> its still at early stages
[06:19:33] <XXCoder> but yeah if he is successful, we will have cheap hard vacuum pump
[06:19:42] <XXCoder> great for say alum plating for example
[06:19:58] <FloppyDisk> yup, but gotta start somewhere. There's some wicked smart people about, hats off.
[06:23:52] <XXCoder> indeed
[06:24:01] <pink_vampire> the cnc is back again with new computer
[06:24:04] <XXCoder> I plan to play around with Telsa's one way pump
[06:24:19] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: your old computer controller died?
[06:24:30] <pink_vampire> cpu burn
[06:25:05] <pink_vampire> is was very old computer
[06:25:18] <XXCoder> hmm that would help on latency
[06:25:28] <XXCoder> that new pc.
[06:26:36] <pink_vampire> it's also old :)
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[06:26:48] <pink_vampire> P4 2.8 ghz with 1gb ram
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[06:27:06] <XXCoder> lol ok
[06:38:49] <XXCoder> FloppyDisk: https://youtu.be/RbDe5dEu07I
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[06:39:20] <XXCoder> pretty powerful but not successful.
[06:39:26] <XXCoder> leaves hell of a tracks too
[06:41:14] <XXCoder> ford. https://youtu.be/rn5jkXEFTZ4
[06:44:19] <XXCoder> funny thing though
[06:44:29] <XXCoder> the ford version klooks like 2 dilios I guess
[06:50:00] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: check the old ad out
[06:50:04] <XXCoder> pretty ancient.
[06:50:08] <XXCoder> 1910s
[06:50:53] <pink_vampire> I'm working on some part
[06:52:31] <XXCoder> cool
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[07:00:05] <Deejay> moin
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[07:01:51] <XXCoder> hey
[07:02:12] <miss0r> hello
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[07:21:42] <XXCoder> miss0r: I finally found the fuse, its intact
[07:22:05] <XXCoder> so I plan to do more complex test to see if it is wiring harness thats broken, or o2 sensor itself
[07:23:34] <pink_vampire> what fuse?
[07:23:46] <XXCoder> van 10A fuse
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[07:23:56] <XXCoder> it was visually fine, and I also tested with multimeter
[07:24:03] <XXCoder> 0 ohm resistance
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[07:32:21] <miss0r> hmm. Then you also need to take a good look at your vacuum system
[07:32:30] <XXCoder> indeed.
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[07:49:51] <XXCoder> anyway
[07:50:05] <XXCoder> the tests is pretty strightforard, its location thats bit of a toughie
[07:50:19] <XXCoder> just check if harness supply 12v and ground
[07:50:32] <XXCoder> then turn around and check o2 if resistance is less than infinity ohm
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[07:52:29] <pink_vampire> why do you want to make vacuum system??
[07:52:47] <XXCoder> oh my earlier link. I dont, not really. but thought it cool
[07:56:41] <XXCoder> miss0r: shes tlaking about beginnings of homebrew hard vacuum system project
[07:57:19] <XXCoder> this one. https://hackaday.io/project/8171-everymans-turbomolecular-pump
[07:58:26] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: you remember the name of that one way valve invented by Telsa?
[07:58:44] <XXCoder> oh found it
[07:58:52] <XXCoder> telsa valve lol
[07:59:04] <pink_vampire> it's not rally a one way valve
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[07:59:21] <pink_vampire> just act like one way
[07:59:23] <XXCoder> yeah its impossible to have true one way valve with no sealing stuff
[07:59:37] <XXCoder> though I bet its easy to add valve after it
[07:59:49] <XXCoder> so it stops remaining tiny low pressure
[08:02:59] <miss0r> you say what what now? (busy not breaking my new mill)
[08:03:24] <XXCoder> one guy is working on cheap hobby method to create hard vacuum
[08:03:41] <XXCoder> as required for some stuff, like alum coating
[08:04:16] <pink_vampire> after cutting the part I find a way to make it smaller and better.
[08:04:27] <XXCoder> yah? what was changes?
[08:05:35] <pink_vampire> insted of 6 sides 12 sides
[08:09:16] <XXCoder> so design was bit flexiable
[08:13:12] <pink_vampire> and I'm thinking about using 1mm instead of the 1.27mm
[08:14:29] <XXCoder> man sometimes I wish I has a lathe cnc or mill cnc not router
[08:14:34] <XXCoder> I wanna stirling motor lol
[08:14:51] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: 1 mm width part? or did you mean tool?
[08:15:06] <pink_vampire> the 3 holes on the sides
[08:15:10] <XXCoder> oh yeah
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[08:19:30] <miss0r> *sigh* transferring g-code at 2400bps is just ridiculous
[08:20:27] <miss0r> XXCoder, don't be fooled - routers have some advantages over mills.
[08:20:39] <miss0r> workarea/footprint is one
[08:21:20] <miss0r> I wish my mill could do the rpm of a router. that would make fine details alot faster to do
[08:22:26] <XXCoder> actually all types I stated has advanges
[08:22:43] <XXCoder> why is your gcode transfer so slow?
[08:22:54] <XXCoder> my first modem was 2400 bps lol
[08:22:58] <miss0r> the controller is from '86....
[08:23:07] <XXCoder> 1 mb was hours long download
[08:23:29] <miss0r> and I transfer via serial. and 1mb ? woah slow down there stud... It doesn't have that crazy size memory!
[08:23:54] <XXCoder> lol
[08:24:04] <XXCoder> 1992 gonna lovr that
[08:24:13] <miss0r> I think it has 300kb memory
[08:24:26] <miss0r> now to do the first ever cut(for me) on the mill.. wish me luch
[08:24:28] <miss0r> with a k
[08:24:31] <XXCoder> if thats the case its similiar with old fadal at work
[08:24:48] <XXCoder> though its serial connection is quite faster
[08:24:56] <XXCoder> not sure why yours is so slow
[08:25:13] <XXCoder> fadal 88, think made in 1988 to whatever
[08:28:40] <miss0r> fsck! I forgot that this machine needs a G command in EACH line.... back to post processor editing
[08:28:54] <XXCoder> doh
[08:29:00] <XXCoder> gonna love machine quirks
[08:29:07] <XXCoder> I hate old okuma at work
[08:29:22] <XXCoder> if it has say tool 1, and it processes t1m6
[08:29:24] <XXCoder> it will error
[08:30:22] <miss0r> same here... Like; I can't have M8 is coolant is already active - that will cause hault
[08:30:53] <XXCoder> I dont get those errors
[08:31:16] <miss0r> LinuxCNC doesnt do that... I should realy toss this controller and add linuxcnc
[08:31:19] <XXCoder> I dont see problem of setting tool to 1 when already 1, just get to ready to change position then go down and use tool
[08:31:38] <XXCoder> same for that m6 error, dude its already on, stop worrying about it
[08:31:40] <yasnak> i should try sleeping sometime ;/
[08:31:53] <miss0r> ...overrated
[08:31:56] <pink_vampire> what is the best brand for leds
[08:31:58] <pink_vampire> ??
[08:32:06] <XXCoder> not china brand
[08:32:12] <XXCoder> besides that dunno
[08:36:05] <miss0r> P02 error agian.....
[08:36:11] * miss0r 's brain hurts
[08:36:21] <XXCoder> honestly pink_vampire most leds will work just fine
[08:36:38] <XXCoder> chinese makes em fine, just that they suck hard on assembling led products
[08:37:05] <pink_vampire> I've order from ebay few types - all of them just junk.
[08:37:23] <XXCoder> if it was assembled, like car lights then yeah
[08:37:52] <pink_vampire> I mean pack of leds.
[08:38:00] <pink_vampire> I need smd
[08:38:12] <XXCoder> surface mount diodes?
[08:38:16] <pink_vampire> yes
[08:38:20] <pink_vampire> the smallest.
[08:38:34] <pink_vampire> green
[08:38:36] <XXCoder> whats wrong with standard diodes? heh
[08:38:45] <pink_vampire> huge
[08:38:52] <pink_vampire> and also m1 tap
[08:38:54] <XXCoder> there is tin ones
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[08:38:56] <XXCoder> tiny
[08:39:02] <pink_vampire> or smaller.
[08:39:38] <pink_vampire> the part is 5mm high
[08:39:48] <pink_vampire> I'm tying to make it 4
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[08:42:17] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/3mm-LED-Bulb-Blue-Pack/dp/B003KWN796
[08:42:18] <XXCoder> 3 mm
[08:42:29] <XXCoder> though this is blue version Im sure you can find green one
[08:42:59] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/CHANZON%C2%AE-100pcs-colors-Emitting-Assorted/dp/B01AUI4W5U/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1460364158&sr=1-1&keywords=green+led+diode+3+mm
[08:43:09] <XXCoder> 100 of one color for 7 bucks basically lol
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[08:44:04] <XXCoder> geez http://www.amazon.com/Assorted-Clear-Emitting-Diodes-Colors/dp/B00UWBJM0Q/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1460364158&sr=1-3&keywords=green+led+diode+3+mm
[08:44:20] <XXCoder> 300 in 2 sizes (3 mm, 5 mm) 5 colors, 13 bucks lol
[08:44:31] <XXCoder> yes including green
[08:45:12] <XXCoder> 50 3 mm led holders not even $6 http://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Metal-Mounting-Holder-Pieces/dp/B00YCEZJW4/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1460364284&sr=1-1&keywords=3+mm+led+diode+holder
[08:45:23] <XXCoder> you has lots options really
[08:46:02] <pink_vampire> I want to get them from mouser
[08:46:05] <XXCoder> 10 bucks for better looking chrome type
[08:46:19] <XXCoder> mouser definitely better company to buy em
[08:46:23] <XXCoder> more realiable
[08:46:54] <pink_vampire> I need 12V psu, 5V psu, the smallest green ldes, optocuplers,
[08:47:39] <pink_vampire> the leds have to be surface mount
[08:47:59] <XXCoder> have to build a circuit board with em eh
[08:48:02] <miss0r> I'm having some serious issues with arcs :-/
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[08:50:52] <XXCoder> g1 and g2?
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[08:51:19] <pink_vampire> yes it's for a circuit that I'm build.
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[09:07:35] <pink_vampire> omg
[09:07:44] <pink_vampire> I have better Idea
[09:07:52] <MattyMatt_> XXcoder, remember Radio Shack prices? :)
[09:07:53] <pink_vampire> to make it even smaller
[09:08:07] <XXCoder> MattyMatt_: didnt buy much from radio hack but yeah
[09:09:02] <XXCoder> strunk rays, pink_vampire ? ;)
[09:09:26] <pink_vampire> I'm going to cancel the top part.
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[09:09:56] <MattyMatt_> the leds in these e-cigs are tiny
[09:10:13] <MattyMatt_> too small to desolder I bet
[09:10:16] <XXCoder> mouser probably have dang tiny ones
[09:10:47] <XXCoder> probably so tiny touching pile of em means some gets injected to blood ;)
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[09:11:25] <MattyMatt_> http://www.amazon.com/80Pcs-color-Super-bright-Color/dp/B00GGBD18A/
[09:11:34] <MattyMatt_> 0603, small enough?
[09:11:49] <XXCoder> thats not at mouser
[09:12:27] <MattyMatt_> that's a good thing for some people. amazon express account etc
[09:12:52] <MattyMatt_> amazon prime, whatever
[09:12:55] <XXCoder> I know, she specifically said mouser so yeah
[09:17:47] <MattyMatt_> miss0r, what's the problem w your arcs?
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[09:18:00] <XXCoder> miss0r left
[09:18:16] <MattyMatt_> oya
[09:23:45] <pink_vampire> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/244/SML-LX0402GC-TR-112424.pdf
[09:24:26] <XXCoder> is units mm?
[09:24:44] <XXCoder> ah it is
[09:25:26] <XXCoder> pretty dang small indeed
[09:27:09] <XXCoder> just checked out steppers. wow price is bit high. usa made probably
[09:27:54] <XXCoder> $37 for nema 8 cheapest lol
[09:28:19] <mase-tech> Good morning everbody
[09:28:25] <mase-tech> +y
[09:28:25] <XXCoder> hey
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[09:36:54] <pink_vampire> ok, from 8x8mm to 4x3mm
[09:39:37] <XXCoder> per led area?
[09:41:28] <mase-tech> Is this good enough to drive nema 17 steppers ?
[09:41:34] <mase-tech> http://www.amazon.de/Stepper-Driver-Adapter-Breakout-USB-Kabel/dp/B00SWO2OUU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1460367665&sr=8-5&keywords=breakout+board
[09:42:43] <XXCoder> dunno but look at your nema 17 power requirements
[09:42:51] <XXCoder> and see if this can handle
[09:44:52] <XXCoder> also suggest look up more information on how those controllers work
[09:46:00] <mase-tech> I am too fucking lazy , meh
[09:46:04] <mase-tech> :D
[09:46:07] <XXCoder> lol
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[09:49:00] <malcom2073> Haha wow
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[10:02:27] <pink_vampire> I''m wandering what is better
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[10:02:34] <pink_vampire> 1mm ball or 2mm ball
[10:02:55] <malcom2073> 1mm is better at being smaller than the 2mm, which is better at being larger
[10:03:11] <pink_vampire> I mean probe tip
[10:03:40] <malcom2073> I'd imagine the 1mm ball is important if you need to get to spaces too small for the 2mm ball to get to?
[10:04:14] <pink_vampire> I can get 1 to 10mm ball tip
[10:04:26] <pink_vampire> what size is better?
[10:04:54] <pink_vampire> what 10m ball can do that you can't do with 1mm??
[10:07:22] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: XXCoder??
[10:07:26] <malcom2073> No clue
[10:07:38] <XXCoder> me eitehr, I have never used probes myself.
[10:08:09] <pink_vampire> it's the best thing ever happened to my cnc
[10:08:25] <XXCoder> doubt my boss will ever approve one
[10:08:43] <XXCoder> if they did, it would be only for million$ machines not old ones I usually operate at
[10:10:48] <pink_vampire> my current probe is made from discs of acrylic with 1/2" metal shaft that press fit inside.
[10:11:18] <pink_vampire> the tip it's just a 1/8" ball bearing on brass shaft
[10:11:54] <pink_vampire> and after calibration I can get 0.01mm accuracy.
[10:12:14] <pink_vampire> it's make the setup on the machine very easy.
[10:13:40] <XXCoder> I bet yeah
[10:13:56] <XXCoder> I doubt I will ever need one for my machine
[10:14:02] <XXCoder> .1mm is fine for me
[10:14:38] <pink_vampire> it's like edge finder.
[10:15:09] <XXCoder> yeah much easier version
[10:15:16] <XXCoder> just move till it lights up?
[10:15:24] <XXCoder> or do computer do task?
[10:16:31] <pink_vampire> the controller move until it get a signal from the probe
[10:17:09] <XXCoder> interesting, then you subtract radius of probe sphere I suppose
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[10:17:20] <XXCoder> or adjust correct direction whatever it is
[10:25:28] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: did you know someone used probe to create engraves that can be done on curved surface?
[10:25:36] <XXCoder> err brb
[10:25:55] <pink_vampire> yes I know
[10:26:08] <pink_vampire> it' s called digitizing
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[10:29:35] <XXCoder> back
[10:29:36] <XXCoder> no
[10:29:43] <XXCoder> it is but it isnt
[10:29:56] <XXCoder> it adjusts engrave so its nice and even across curved surface
[10:30:03] <XXCoder> it alters gcode
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[10:30:18] <XXCoder> its not converting touch data into 3d model
[10:30:53] <XXCoder> found it. pink_vampire http://hackaday.com/2014/07/31/milling-curved-objects-with-a-g-code-ripper/
[10:31:05] <XXCoder> see the milled icon on mouse?
[10:31:09] <XXCoder> plus read rest
[10:31:44] <XXCoder> wtach videos too, very ointeresting
[10:32:55] <pink_vampire> he use just a push button!!
[10:32:59] <pink_vampire> WTF@!!!!
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[10:33:11] <XXCoder> well yeah that part is simple. complex part is software.
[10:34:05] <pink_vampire> no
[10:34:09] <pink_vampire> it's not
[10:35:10] <XXCoder> it is
[10:35:14] <XXCoder> more details http://www.scorchworks.com/Blog/auto-probing-with-g-code-ripper/
[10:36:38] <XXCoder> dang that is awesome http://www.scorchworks.com/Gcoderipper/obx_litho1.jpg
[10:38:21] <XXCoder> basically it probes Z at points, then it adjusts gcode so cut is nice and even across curved surface
[10:38:23] <XXCoder> or sloped
[10:38:45] <XXCoder> rest is just normal linuxcnc or mach
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[10:41:30] <pink_vampire> very good links!!
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[10:42:13] <XXCoder> yeah. this is almost only reason i would grab a probe, or rather make homebrew one,.
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[10:42:49] <pink_vampire> you can make one
[10:43:04] <XXCoder> indeed.
[10:43:13] <pink_vampire> or just use the push button method...
[10:43:20] <XXCoder> thats true too
[10:43:33] <XXCoder> just touch and push button. slightly less accurate
[10:43:49] <XXCoder> or make basically hardware that lights up when touching
[10:44:00] <XXCoder> HMM thats best I think, NO button modified to be pointy
[10:44:12] <XXCoder> connected to led light and battery
[10:44:14] <pink_vampire> http://www.renishaw.com/en/neurological-products-and-therapies--6332
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[10:44:46] <XXCoder> interesting
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[10:48:16] <pink_vampire> and then opss servo driver issue and you die
[10:48:45] <XXCoder> or active sabotage like one of sci fi book lol
[10:48:52] <XXCoder> it was method to murder captain
[10:49:10] <XXCoder> it was just gall bladder stone, but robot screwed up and blackout happened
[10:49:16] <XXCoder> dead.
[10:51:14] <pink_vampire> they use it to position a drill
[10:51:36] <pink_vampire> and you know what they going to drill with it....
[10:53:34] <pink_vampire> http://www.renishaw.com/media/img/gen/c64f3777bc5a4c74a872793d0e3dd88c.jpg
[10:53:45] <pink_vampire> better then the original
[10:54:31] <XXCoder> yeah. though some patents has 3d printed skull implanted
[10:54:42] <XXCoder> 3d printing will take off so hard on medicial circles.
[10:54:50] <XXCoder> theyre testing 3d printing organs
[10:55:02] <XXCoder> meaning no more waiting for transplants and medicines for that too
[11:05:27] <pink_vampire> cool!
[11:05:40] <XXCoder> very.
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[11:13:53] <MrSunshine> oo ventilation
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[11:36:57] <pink_vampire> the pcb is 1.5mm thick
[11:37:09] <pink_vampire> I need to make it thinner.
[11:39:04] <Encapsulation> pcb =D
[11:39:23] <Encapsulation> you're designing a pcb inplant for someones skull?
[11:39:25] <Encapsulation> m
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[11:40:13] <Encapsulation> whats up mase
[11:40:55] <mase-tech> HI
[11:41:33] <mase-tech> not much
[11:42:48] <mase-tech> I want to build a cnc machine and I am collecting data
[11:43:28] <mase-tech> to make my prototype cost effective :D
[11:43:36] <Encapsulation> definitely a good plan!
[11:44:26] <mase-tech> I looked at linux cnc for good examples
[11:45:08] <mase-tech> but the examples there a very professional
[11:45:15] <mase-tech> to proffesional :D
[11:45:31] <Encapsulation> with some time and care, you can achieve such a professional result as well
[11:45:38] <mase-tech> I don t have to money to build one of these kind machines
[11:46:55] <Encapsulation> talk to maxcnc when he is on next
[11:47:05] <Encapsulation> he has some good ideas for a strong machine that doesnt cost too much
[11:47:06] <mase-tech> He is my old professor
[11:47:09] <mase-tech> :D
[11:47:10] <Encapsulation> oh, awesome =D
[11:47:25] <mase-tech> He teached me math
[11:47:43] <mase-tech> I never expected that
[11:48:00] <mase-tech> He is a very impressive person
[11:48:32] <Encapsulation> yes he has a lot of knowledge
[11:48:45] <mase-tech> He is like a walking lexicon
[11:49:17] <Encapsulation> xD
[11:49:28] <Encapsulation> gotta head to work, good luck!
[11:49:34] <mase-tech> cu :)
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[12:22:57] <minibnz> trying to calibrate my A axis and not having any joy..
[12:23:26] <minibnz> i have a bit of plastic in the jaws. i drill a hole for an index mark..
[12:24:33] <minibnz> tell the A axis to 360' the wheel does not turn enough. so i change my steps/deg from 25.65 to 25.7steps/deg this time is really close to 360' maybe 359'
[12:25:10] <minibnz> so i adjust the 25.7 steps per degree to 25.725 steps per degree then it only turns 330'... WTF
[12:25:32] <minibnz> anyone got any ideas? i am at a loss to expain this..
[12:26:18] <minibnz> i am pretty sure its not loosing steps cuz if i tell it to go back 360' it goes back to the index mark everytime.. at one point i thought it was noise but it would not return to zero if it was noise..
[12:32:45] <_methods> slop in the worm
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[12:33:59] <_methods> weird it returns perfectly to the index?
[12:34:07] <minibnz> no worm its a belt drive
[12:34:08] <_methods> i guess that would rule out slop in the worm
[12:34:10] <_methods> ahh
[12:34:40] <_methods> i guess i'd need to see pics of the A axis then so i don't keep saying stupid things
[12:36:01] <minibnz> heheh there is not much to see really just a 3 jaw chuck with a motor hanging off the side..
[12:36:52] <_methods> so it's just straight from motor to chuck
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[12:37:36] <_methods> you just put a toothed gear on the back of the chuck or something
[12:38:13] <_methods> it's weird that it would return to 0 if it was slipping or missing steps
[12:38:48] <minibnz> yeah there is a T5 belt pulley on the back of the chuck between two big ass bearings..
[12:39:27] <_methods> you would think it would come out off on the return to zero
[12:39:45] <minibnz> its really weird.. unless there is some noise that is coming from the stepper itself that is always the same..
[12:40:05] <_methods> heh
[12:40:24] <_methods> i guess that would be possible but i don't think very likely
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[12:41:17] <_methods> i've never set up an a axis before in linuxcnc
[12:41:29] <_methods> so probably wont' be too much help
[12:41:50] <_methods> but is there a gear ratio to adjust or just the steps/deg
[12:41:57] <_methods> i guess they should basically achieve the same thing
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[12:50:55] <pink_vampire> is there a thinner then 1.5mm blank pcb?
[12:52:00] <_methods> minibnz: did you build your A axis yourself, nothing to do with your issue just wondering if you bought it or built it
[12:52:23] <_methods> trying to decide if i should just buy one or build my own
[12:54:38] <SpeedEvil> pink_vampire: yes
[12:54:47] <SpeedEvil> pink_vampire: you can get them down to ~0.1mm or so
[12:54:53] <SpeedEvil> though that hard is hard to find
[12:55:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Copper-Clad-Laminate-Board-for-PCB-Manufacture-FR4-FR2-1Oz-1-6-1-0-0-8mm-/221813262500?var=&hash=item33a519c8a4:m:m4yn4a3O1V2eq7yxfiiY5Qw - 0.8mm forex
[12:57:05] <pink_vampire> SpeedEvil: thanks!!
[12:58:10] <SpeedEvil> flex-pcb too
[13:00:04] <gregcnc> rotary setup is the same math as linear axis, just the unit are degrees
[13:00:48] <minibnz> _methods i built this one myself.
[13:01:21] <minibnz> yeah in the setup wizzard there is a gear ratio for the A axis but in the ini file its just a number.
[13:01:30] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc: https://xkcd.com/1230/
[13:01:33] <gregcnc> there is a simple forumula
[13:02:11] <_methods> well i don't know what the issue could be since it's off consistently
[13:02:15] <_methods> it's not hardware
[13:02:18] <gregcnc> right that's the odd part
[13:02:24] <_methods> so it must be something in the software
[13:02:28] <minibnz> not trying to do anything crazy just make it turn 360' no more, no less.. but i cannot acheive that..
[13:02:30] <_methods> or signal
[13:02:32] <gregcnc> you don't guess at how far it's supposed to move per step
[13:02:39] <gregcnc> you do the math
[13:03:02] <_methods> and since it's off consistently i'm assuming the signal is good
[13:03:11] <_methods> so there is a software configuration issue most likely
[13:03:26] <minibnz> gregcnc thats fine in the LAB but in the real world not everyone has a digital angle finder so doing the maths is impossible..
[13:04:06] <gregcnc> what do you mean? you don't know step angle, microsteps, gear ratio?
[13:04:29] <minibnz> yes i know all those values.. and thats what i used to get this close..
[13:04:38] <minibnz> i just cannot get it exact..
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[13:05:56] <gregcnc> I'd be checking other issues before I decide the math is incorrect, but you have the equipment in front of you
[13:06:17] <minibnz> what other issues should i be checking?
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[13:08:22] <minibnz> all the other axis work fine with no issues.. i tell them to move 100mm they move 100mm.. no more no less.. and when i tell it to go back to zero it goes to zero..
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[13:09:29] <_methods> not to sidetrack you but do you have any pics of your A axis build?
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[13:12:22] <gregcnc> why does the calculated value fail?
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[13:13:00] <minibnz> _methods not really http://minibnzreprap.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/progress-on-mill-build.html
[13:13:10] <minibnz> thats a few pics but you cant really see too much..
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[13:16:26] <minibnz> Gregcnc thats what i am trying to work out.. if i use the calculated value of 26.7 the chuck turns more than a full circle when i ask for 360' of rotation..
[13:17:14] <minibnz> and the best i have been able to get is 25.7125 steps per degree.. this is very very close but its still not a full 360' its more like 359 degrees..
[13:17:43] <minibnz> then if i change that to 25.725 it goes about 365 degrees when i say go 360'
[13:18:15] <minibnz> each and every time it returns to the zero point.. so i am pretty sure its not noise or missing steps
[13:18:15] <SpeedEvil> Do a hundred revs, and it'll becoe much more obvious
[13:18:37] <minibnz> SpeedEvil that is the plan once i get one revolution right..
[13:19:22] <_methods> i think he's trying to say do a larger sample range to figure out the exact ratio
[13:19:23] <minibnz> between 25.7125 and 25.725 steps per degree there is way to much change in travel..
[13:20:12] <minibnz> i have no way to measure the error accurately... all i can do it 'eye' it out...
[13:20:38] <minibnz> and if i can see after one rev its not right i dont need to do more revs..
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[13:20:53] <gregcnc> how do you arrive at the calculated value?
[13:21:55] <minibnz> by eye..... i have a bit of plastic in the chuck with a hole in it at the zero mark. i tell it to do a full lap and see if the drill will go back into the hole.
[13:22:48] <gregcnc> pulley ratio?
[13:23:05] <minibnz> 3:1
[13:23:20] <minibnz> the motor has 10 teeth the chuck has 30teeth
[13:23:53] <minibnz> the motor is 200steps per rev and its set to 2x microstepping.
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[13:25:01] <minibnz> sorry 16x microstepping..
[13:25:05] <gregcnc> so calulated value is 26.66667
[13:25:12] <minibnz> the maths says 26.6666
[13:25:41] <minibnz> and when i use 26.7 the chuck turns about 390' about 30degrees too far.
[13:26:08] <gregcnc> that's the first mystery to solve
[13:26:26] <minibnz> so i have reduced that down to 25.7125 and it gets me very close..
[13:26:31] <gregcnc> no
[13:28:02] <gregcnc> you're absolutely certain about the tooth count?
[13:28:09] <minibnz> ok then i will go and build a microcontroller that will generate 9600 pulses and i will see if that will generate me a perfect circle.. i see no other way to do this.
[13:28:20] <minibnz> thats the numbers stamped into the pulleys.
[13:28:29] <gregcnc> so you counted?
[13:28:46] <minibnz> at one point in time yes i have counted them
[13:30:22] <gregcnc> does the motor turn 360° per 3200 steps?
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[13:32:54] <minibnz> when i tell it to turn 120' the motor goes a little more than 1 full rev
[13:43:24] <gregcnc> I'd try microstep at 1 to see how things work
[13:45:10] <minibnz> ok
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[13:54:46] <archivist> making a microcontroller to confirm your error in scale is really a silly way to go
[13:56:30] <archivist> you know you can add more digits past the decimal point for greater accuracy too
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[14:19:58] <minibnz> ok i have a solution.. not too sure why but it seems to have worked... 26.67 steps per degree..
[14:20:19] <gregcnc> huh
[14:22:12] <minibnz> gregcnc your suggestion of 1x microstepping wasn't the exact solution but it showed up the error... when i set it to 1x i noticed a jumping/stop/start motion in the chuck.. so i dropped the axis current down to 75% and it spun smoother.. then got it to do a perfect revolution.. then upped the microstepping back up to 16x and calibrated the steps per degree. maths says 26.7 i am using 26.67
[14:23:02] <minibnz> i dont understand exactly why the A axis was having issues with the current the motor is a little bit bigger than the other axis.. and they have their current up full on 100%
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[14:23:43] <minibnz> i will keep an eye on it and see if anything bad/weird happens.. that might be the solution.. even if i dont understand it fully..
[14:24:06] <gregcnc> math says 80/3. the loser you set scale to that the more accurate it will be
[14:24:13] <gregcnc> closer
[14:24:47] <minibnz> i guess i was rounding the result out too much
[14:25:20] <gregcnc> The reigning champion MATH wins again!!!
[14:25:44] <minibnz> heheheh yeah... but only once the hardware is actually right...
[14:25:47] <archivist> use 26.666666666666666 dont round much if anything
[14:26:09] <minibnz> how many digits past the decimal can i really have?
[14:26:35] <archivist> it is a double
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[14:29:25] <gregcnc> That's one reason I chose a nice round ratio that was divisible by commonly used angles for my rotary axis encoder resolution
[14:29:29] <mase-tech> Hey peps, I am about to setup my workshop for my cnc in my cemtery. For more light I cut the old cable to connect the new lamp. (The cable was off no current). I did a volt messurument to be sure. 0V. OK.
[14:29:37] <mase-tech> Then I connected the new lamp
[14:30:20] <mase-tech> And then I tried to turn it on. But no electricity
[14:30:53] <mase-tech> So obvious that the fuse fall off
[14:31:27] <minibnz> take the bulb/lamp out of the socket and see if you have continuity between the plug and the lamp socket.
[14:31:30] <mase-tech> So question is why did the fuse fell of
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[14:31:53] <minibnz> oh you blew the fuse.. that would be due to a short circuit..
[14:32:05] <archivist> impossible to say without being there
[14:32:14] <minibnz> unplug it all and buzz it out..
[14:32:38] <mase-tech> I have no entry to the fuse in the basement
[14:33:03] <mase-tech> I do not understand why the fuse blew
[14:33:10] <mase-tech> It should not
[14:33:25] <mase-tech> As I start the manipulation everything was off
[14:33:34] <mase-tech> I also measured it
[14:33:51] <minibnz> if the fuse blew it is because too much current is drawn by the lamp.. unplug the lamp and check for shorts.
[14:34:43] <mase-tech> I have to call the caketaker
[14:34:45] <archivist> is you are unsure around mains, get an electrician
[14:34:48] <archivist> if
[14:34:53] <minibnz> a normal lamp should only draw 1amp max (250w on 240v..)
[14:34:59] <mase-tech> YES
[14:35:30] <mase-tech> of course
[14:35:40] <minibnz> if it has blown the fuse check for shorts.
[14:35:52] <mase-tech> I do not understand why the short appeared
[14:36:10] <mase-tech> It is one cable to check which I did
[14:36:34] <mase-tech> Imagen this
[14:36:41] <mase-tech> U have a table lamp
[14:36:46] <mase-tech> I cut the cable
[14:36:56] <minibnz> if there is a short start un-doing what you have done. step by step and keep checking for the short.
[14:37:44] <mase-tech> It is a 3 veins cable ground + -
[14:38:01] <mase-tech> There was no electricty
[14:38:10] <mase-tech> I cut the cable
[14:38:20] <mase-tech> Then measurred
[14:38:23] <minibnz> ie check for the short. if its there start by un-doing one of the wires you joined then check again.. then keep repeating this step until you have no short. then look at the wires and see what what shorting..
[14:38:57] <minibnz> it could be that the wire you added is bad and was shorted to start with..
[14:39:03] <mase-tech> Can such a 3 veins cable be sured from manipulation ?
[14:39:18] <mase-tech> secured
[14:39:27] <mase-tech> When yes how
[14:39:39] <archivist> get an electrician
[14:40:10] <mase-tech> I am
[14:40:45] <minibnz> yeah thats what i am thinking now.. get an electrician. you are not understanding what i am asking.. if you keep going like this you will end up electrocuted.. get a qualified electrician...
[14:41:12] <mase-tech> I checked everything
[14:41:17] <mase-tech> thats why I am asking
[14:41:35] <mase-tech> I did the things you recommanded me to do
[14:41:41] <minibnz> the only other option is that you did not power it off and when you cut the wire you blew the fuse..
[14:41:46] <mase-tech> I would do the same
[14:42:50] <minibnz> maybe you will have better luck in #electronics
[14:42:53] <mase-tech> minibnz: yes, that is reasonable. the problem is that I am 100% sure everything was off
[14:45:08] <minibnz> anyways its almost 1am here im going to bed.. thanks for the help gregcnc... _methods and archivist.. tomorrow i will cut come slots with the A Axis and see if it turns out ok..
[14:45:12] <mase-tech> Can there be a other reason to blew the the fuse beside current
[14:45:20] <mase-tech> I think no
[14:45:36] <mase-tech> but anything must be there beside I am a fucking idiot
[14:45:42] <mase-tech> mad
[14:46:08] <gregcnc> nite minibnz you're welcome
[14:46:13] <mase-tech> good night
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[15:52:59] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: math is highly over rated, most people get by every day without using it
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[15:54:57] <CaptHindsight> schools and politicians use it to confuse people, so I don't think it will ever catch on except for a few people
[15:55:14] <archivist> I got stuck at 1+1=10 :)
[16:00:31] <gregcnc> maybe I've been overlooking a career as a politician
[16:01:30] <CaptHindsight> you seem to be too nice a person to ever become a school teacher
[16:03:01] <CaptHindsight> I've seen you use critical thinking to solve problems and analyze situations so yeah, definitely not a teacher
[16:06:07] <archivist> teachers teaching fault finding, that is rare
[16:06:19] <JT-Shop> my sister is rare
[16:07:30] <mase-tech> career as politician ... Easy money
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[16:13:01] <jdh> my wife is a teachet
[16:13:55] <mase-tech> Or official is slso good. especially in italy or greece. you do not of to work, that means u don't have to even come to the office
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[16:14:51] <jdh> I'm sure that does wonders for the local economy
[16:14:52] <CaptHindsight> https://www.johntaylorgatto.com/ they aren't all bad, just very very rare
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[16:15:28] <jdh> They aren't that rare, many just don't have much to work with
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[16:48:18] <maxcnc> hi folks
[16:48:38] <maxcnc> Capt
[16:48:56] <maxcnc> CaptHindsight: what about the undicided did he make some decicens
[16:49:57] <pcw_home> you should not speak his name...
[16:50:12] <maxcnc> as i did avoid it
[16:50:19] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: you've upset the indecision fairy, now it's 6 more weeks to decide
[16:50:33] <maxcnc> pcw_home: asll up and running on mesa here
[16:51:05] <maxcnc> CaptHindsight: smile runs into my face
[16:51:51] <maxcnc> his construct from here did the first chip today after 5days including satSun
[16:52:10] <maxcnc> decision is realy a factor
[16:52:31] <archivist> I got close to a gantry router today, just had to grab it to see how much play it had :)
[16:53:05] <maxcnc> to the English here i searched for a name of the mashine from the wood man its a ono n all 4Side one shot frame cutter
[16:53:18] <archivist> one of the single screw down the middle type
[16:53:23] <maxcnc> is there a special word on this in english
[16:53:41] <archivist> show a picture
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[16:55:12] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: a gantry router gets it's name from using a gantry, it can have 1 or many screws and still be called a gantry router
[16:55:49] <SpeedEvil> Is over 2 screws ever used?
[16:56:03] <maxcnc> archivist i dont think you can realy see somthing http://www.holztechnik-finkele.de/images/sonstige%2002%204-seiter.jpg
[16:56:35] <maxcnc> SpeedEvil: ive sen 3
[16:56:57] <maxcnc> down middel and eatch side with chain drivven
[16:56:59] <archivist> maxcnc, a bevelling machine maybe
[16:56:59] <CaptHindsight> a profiler for cutting profiles
[16:57:28] <archivist> but its name is a good clue
[16:57:29] <CaptHindsight> fancy router
[16:57:35] <maxcnc> the raw wood pice goes in and on all sides it is been cut straight or profile
[16:57:54] <maxcnc> 4seiter here in germany
[16:58:02] <maxcnc> 4sider
[16:58:12] <maxcnc> one stroke
[16:58:17] <maxcnc> out of the saw
[16:58:39] <maxcnc> it took the carpender 1hr to build the whole gantry frame
[16:58:55] <maxcnc> parts not mounted
[16:59:07] <maxcnc> 60x60mm oak
[16:59:25] <archivist> also known as a 4 sided moulding machine
[17:00:55] <maxcnc> archivist you got it
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[17:02:10] <maxcnc> the wood is straight and even nothing like tube or Aluframe
[17:02:17] <maxcnc> driller and you are up
[17:03:44] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/NT8Jutmo8Js?t=23s Profiling Center woodworking machinery
[17:05:07] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: first thunder here
[17:05:37] <maxcnc> Folks im Closing the Shop for today By
[17:05:40] <maxcnc> Gn8
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[17:06:39] <archivist> erm 3d sales... what no real machine
[17:07:24] <CaptHindsight> after they spent all that time modeling it?!
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[17:09:09] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAS3GRE61jY 8 second gantry router video
[17:09:15] <CaptHindsight> rendered
[17:12:12] <CaptHindsight> archivist: http://m.jumpstart.com/Mathblaster/CoolMath/Article-Images/kid-learning-math-tips.png
[17:13:54] <archivist> definitely 10
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[17:20:58] <CaptHindsight> for the graffiti impaired http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160411-smart-3d-printed-spray-can-allows-inexperienced-users-to-paint-giant-murals.html
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[17:27:08] <SpeedEvil> Now put it on a qua
[17:27:09] <SpeedEvil> d
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[17:40:12] <gregcnc> speedevil did you see the flyboard video?
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[17:50:46] <mase-tech> Hi people =)
[18:02:21] <CaptHindsight> older version of Solidworks? https://youtu.be/0cjMoZJlCUk?t=36s
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[19:22:08] <_methods> hard to tell but it looks like a relatively recent version
[19:22:13] <_methods> definitely not 2016 though
[19:22:43] <_methods> they went full retard on the 2016 cholera scheme
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[19:25:44] <Jymmm> _methods: "Full retard"... you insensitive bastard! I'm send three of them your way all with 3 lbs of candy each!!! Good luck biotch!
[19:25:54] <_methods> hehe
[19:27:01] <Jymmm> Ok, FINALLY got one of the casters drilled out, and replaced the pressed in stud with a grade 8 bolt, will use a stop nut eventually http://imgur.com/QbvtpUv
[19:27:59] <_methods> http://we-love-quotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/you-went-full-retard-never-go-full-retard.jpg
[19:28:27] <_methods> Jymmm's chair repair
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[19:28:59] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: wadidjuh use to drill it out?
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[19:29:15] <Jymmm> _methods: No, 48"w x 18"d x 76"H steel racks
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[19:30:08] <miss0r> meh. this is realy mind boggeling.. I switched the Y & Z axis on my mill.. not it seems I have some issues to sort with G2 & G3...
[19:30:39] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: tossed a nut on the stufd, then clamped the nut in the vise. Then used a 3/8" bit to "hollow" most of it out, then a big ass step bit to remove the "squished" part.
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[19:30:46] <Jymmm> stud*
[19:30:57] <miss0r> I 'could' just break the arcs into vectors, but with a 300kb memory I have to fill with a 240bps line, that would suck :D
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[19:31:23] <miss0r> 2400*
[19:32:46] <_methods> man that sux you cant drip feed
[19:33:06] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Top and bottom bearings (different sizes) http://imgur.com/ymLh4Fl
[19:33:40] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: You can see the remainder ofthe stud I drilled out on the left
[19:33:52] <miss0r> yeah, that is an issue. I've managed to 'adjust' a mastercam post to fit everything else so far... the arcs is the remainding issue, as far as I can tell at the moment
[19:33:53] <CaptHindsight> whatta project
[19:34:05] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Only 18 more to go!!!
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[19:34:41] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: But, I now will have REPAIRABLE casters
[19:34:55] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: holy cats! No super surplus clearance deals on new casters?
[19:35:16] <miss0r> _methods, also, this controller is realy anal! lets say, i've posted G17, and some linear motion also wants to post G17, I get an error, as the bit is already assaigned. other controllers would just shrug it off
[19:35:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I'm in BFE now, no such thing anywhere near me if there was.
[19:36:39] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: didn't know you moved to Timbuktu
[19:36:54] <Jymmm> They weren't as expensive when I bought them years ago, but the one on the left saved my ass http://www.harborfreight.com/2-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-high-speed-steel-step-drills-96275.html
[19:37:31] <_methods> miss0r: yeah all controls have their quirks
[19:37:38] <CaptHindsight> I have those. haven't broken them yet
[19:37:48] <_methods> i still add a .0 to every number out of habit
[19:37:49] <miss0r> slowly but surely, i'm getting there
[19:37:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yeah, man, I'm at 3000ft elevation, in the forest and shit. Got mnt lions, bears, miniture dockeys, and wild peacocks in the neighborhood =)
[19:37:54] <_methods> even with linuxcnc lol
[19:38:00] <miss0r> hehe.
[19:38:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: (I'm not kidding on all the animals either)
[19:39:11] <miss0r> I am beginning to think the problem is something else. I have the feeling the controller does not support an arc that moves on all 3 axis.
[19:39:17] <Jymmm> or and grey foxs
[19:39:21] <Jymmm> oh*
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[19:42:03] <Sync> zeeshan!
[19:42:17] <Sync> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Brembo-Racing-Bremssattel-LMP-GT3-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/g2kAAOSwvgdW4DhE/$_57.JPG
[19:45:00] <evil_ren> wait was that like, pulled from an LMP or GT3 car?
[19:45:40] <Sync> probably GT3
[19:45:59] <Sync> the interesting thing are the LVDT pad wear sensors
[19:45:59] <evil_ren> i guess statistically that makes sense
[19:46:08] <evil_ren> yeah how does that work?
[19:46:36] <evil_ren> pretty neat when i realized what its doing, but is it analog or just a theshold thing?
[19:46:45] <evil_ren> im like, why doesnt my car have those
[19:47:47] <evil_ren> if it did, then my brakes wouldnt be warped from when i had the wheels pulled to check my pads, and then the guy impact wrenched the fuck out of the wheels to put em back
[19:48:35] <Sync> it is an lvdt
[19:48:43] <evil_ren> omg make me googles
[19:48:54] <Sync> yes
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[19:49:40] <evil_ren> linear variable differential transformer, haha thats a lot of descriptive words that doesnt quite spell out what it does
[19:49:56] <Sync> it spells out perfectly what it does
[19:50:02] <Sync> ;)
[19:50:08] <Sync> basically it is a distance measuring device
[19:50:54] <evil_ren> oh its like a sliding ferrite puts different flux from a DC current coil into some differential sense coils
[19:51:06] <evil_ren> i think, but yeah pretty neat
[19:51:13] <Sync> it works on ac
[19:51:17] <Sync> it basically is a linear resolver
[19:51:46] <evil_ren> ha that makes sense else youd just get deltas
[19:51:49] <evil_ren> *ah
[19:52:00] <Sync> I wonder why they do that
[19:52:12] <evil_ren> a/c instead of dc?
[19:52:32] <evil_ren> heh @ air conditioner instead of direct current
[19:52:33] <Sync> maybe for endurance racing, where they want to know when to change pads before it goes bad
[19:53:00] <evil_ren> LMP is endurance, and GT3 typically
[19:53:31] <Sync> well, most series utilizing GT3 are sprint races or 6h at max
[19:53:43] <Sync> even in 12h races most teams don't need to change pads
[19:54:06] <Sync> in 24h races they do in the early hours so ~14-16h in
[19:54:19] <evil_ren> le mans runs gt3, no?
[19:54:26] <evil_ren> and a few 12 hours in wec
[19:55:06] <evil_ren> imsa north america (fuckin how many times they gonna rename american le mans) is like, 4 hours min, but daytona is 24 hours
[19:55:32] <Sync> yeah but the only long race in WEC is LM
[19:55:51] <Sync> there is dubai and the 24h series
[19:56:03] <Sync> yeah daytona is 24h as well
[19:56:09] <Sync> but not too many of them actually
[19:56:59] <Sync> well, imsa fucked a lot of people over
[19:57:16] <Sync> with their choice of not going to GT3 homologated cars only
[19:57:21] <Sync> but rather have their own package
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[19:57:57] <evil_ren> kind of pisses me of because laguna seca is my local endurance race
[19:58:08] <evil_ren> well, besides 25 hours of thunderhill
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[19:58:18] <evil_ren> which doesnt really count, but is in some ways even more awesome
[19:58:33] <evil_ren> hehe, random early 90s acura integra on the same track as the flying lizard r8
[19:58:42] <Sync> so you have LMP1 LMP2 and GTE pro/am in WEC
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[19:58:47] <Sync> well yeah
[19:58:50] <Sync> the VLN is the same
[19:59:11] <miss0r> bah! now it is running the "helix" if that is what you want to call it. it does half a circle, steps down 1mm, does another half a circle and steps down another mm... not quite what I asked for
[19:59:27] <XXCoder> heh that type sucks
[19:59:35] <evil_ren> that doesnt sound like a helix
[19:59:48] <evil_ren> well, i mean unless your machine has really, really crappy Z resolution
[20:00:03] <evil_ren> then i guess technically its a helix, kinda
[20:00:43] <alex4nder> alright.. good news is: my 7i76e started working fine
[20:00:45] <miss0r> its old, but not crappy.. I must be missing something in the way I talk to it... (I am completely rewriting a post processor here)
[20:02:06] <XXCoder> miss0r: maybe yours only permit motion on 2 axis a time?
[20:02:19] <miss0r> from what i've read it should do all 3
[20:03:06] <miss0r> I can't stand plunge milling
[20:03:28] <alex4nder> anyone else have a problem jogging Y with axis and v2.7.4... I'm getting a python except 'substring not found'
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[20:08:29] <alex4nder> yah, something is wacky
[20:08:49] <alex4nder> vars.current_axis.get() is returning True
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[20:27:51] <miss0r> XXCoder, I actualy have it doing a helix now... I wrote one manually on the controller itself.. it is I am just having a hard time figuering out how to tell the mastercam post to do it... it's actualy a one-liner
[20:28:03] <XXCoder> cool :)
[20:29:09] <miss0r> I am a horrible amature reconfiguering this post processor, it is truly touch'n'go
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[20:32:43] <XXCoder> wow
[20:32:45] <XXCoder> http://interestingengineering.com/there-may-flaws-superconductor-theory/
[20:33:15] <miss0r> I have to format it like G3 X(endpoint) Y(endpoint) Z(final depth) I(Center X) J(Center Y) K(pitch)
[20:33:24] <miss0r> and mastercam is like HELL NO!
[20:34:21] <jdh> odd params for an arc move
[20:34:37] <miss0r> that the philips 432 controller for'ya
[20:35:20] <jdh> guess they aren't all required? depending on the mvoe?
[20:35:26] <JT-Shop> I think I totally fouled up my slowbooks
[20:37:14] <miss0r> jdh: when doing a helical move it seems it is. i.e. arc on 3 dimentions
[20:37:40] <XXCoder> isnt I and J endpoint of arc?
[20:38:05] <miss0r> not 'round here
[20:38:08] <miss0r> :)
[20:39:26] <miss0r> I'm just not sure mastercam posts the pitch. it wants to take care of buisness itself
[20:40:22] <JT-Shop> i j are offsets
[20:42:42] <XXCoder> http://www.manufacturinget.org/2011/12/cnc-g-code-g02-and-g03/
[20:43:54] <miss0r> XXCoder, problem starts when I want Z movement also
[20:45:23] <XXCoder> there is also apparently K for Z offset
[20:46:04] <XXCoder> think it can only arc in 2d though
[20:46:06] <miss0r> depending on your working plane
[20:46:22] <XXCoder> while your z is set for linear movement I guess>?
[20:47:36] <XXCoder> funny, that. g2 and g3 is most diffult for me to understand lol
[20:47:49] <miss0r> I don't understand your question?
[20:48:18] <XXCoder> I askwed if yours is using x, y and I, J for arc on xy plane, while z is plain linear movementy
[20:48:55] <miss0r> something like that, yes
[20:49:13] <XXCoder> ok
[20:49:24] <XXCoder> I wll evenually manually write some gcode to make some stuff
[20:49:44] <robin_sz> I use Cut2D for routing, it rocks
[20:50:02] <XXCoder> yet another cam
[20:50:33] <XXCoder> no price on sitre, I cant afford it
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[20:50:59] <jdh> $150ish
[20:51:10] <XXCoder> yeah? I couldnt find price anywhere
[20:51:29] <jdh> its there somewhere. in pounds or something
[20:51:43] <jdh> it is great for a router
[20:51:55] <XXCoder> $350
[20:51:59] <jdh> fnah
[20:52:00] <jdh> nah
[20:52:04] <XXCoder> oh thats vcazrve
[20:52:13] <XXCoder> cut3d is indeed $150
[20:52:16] <jdh> vcarve is also cool
[20:52:23] <jdh> cut2d
[20:52:26] <jdh> 3d is more
[20:52:28] <XXCoder> windows or?
[20:52:32] <jdh> and completely different. windows
[20:52:44] <XXCoder> jdh: yeah yeah that I meant. I habitally say 3d lol
[20:53:15] <XXCoder> jdh: its wine compitable!
[20:53:25] <XXCoder> that is BIG feature for me
[20:53:46] <XXCoder> .. in 2008 lol dunno if still true. theres trial anyway
[20:55:06] <jdh> the trial will only generate code for a few demo projects.
[20:55:24] <XXCoder> yeah thats good enough to test linux compitability.
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[21:03:17] <XXCoder> robin_sz: thanks, might get that :)
[21:03:23] <XXCoder> laters
[21:03:31] <robin_sz> it is awesome
[21:04:13] <robin_sz> there is an emc post processor with it
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[21:28:49] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:46:59] <andypugh> I wonder where I can get the little M5 crimps (yellow size) for less than £1 each?
[21:47:35] <andypugh> ie, these: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/2394199/
[21:47:54] <andypugh> Actually, that’s M4. But either will do.
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[21:48:15] <andypugh> The red ones don’t grip 0.5mm2 wire.
[21:48:29] <zeeshan> thoise things are expensive
[21:48:33] <andypugh> And ebay only has the huge yellow ones, not the mini-yellws
[21:48:34] <zeeshan> when you get em in industrial rating
[21:48:34] <zeeshan> 600v
[21:48:50] <DaViruz> andypugh: maybe RS?
[21:48:50] <DaViruz> :)
[21:49:21] <andypugh> DaViruz: After VAT they are £1.02 each
[21:49:44] <DaViruz> what VAT is over 1000%?
[21:49:58] <DaViruz> it says £0.092
[21:49:59] <DaViruz> here
[21:50:32] <andypugh> Ah, yes, err, I meant “less than 10p each, or £10 per pack.
[21:50:41] <DaViruz> ah.
[21:50:58] <andypugh> I have also never actually found the right crimping tool for them.
[21:51:29] <DaViruz> i've never seen them refered to as yellow or mini yellow. here that size is green
[21:52:02] <DaViruz> http://www.biltema.se/sv/Verktyg/Handverktyg/Tang-och-Sax/Kabelskotang-2000037081/
[21:52:25] <DaViruz> for instance
[21:53:09] <andypugh> Hmm
[21:53:52] <andypugh> And only £15 for the tool.
[21:54:53] <ReadError> zeeshan, any ideas on how to easily 'seal' aluminum at home?
[21:55:09] <ReadError> just preventing oxidation
[21:55:20] <andypugh> ReadError: Jenolite
[21:55:37] <zeeshan> clear coat
[21:56:15] <andypugh> (ie, phosphoric acid-based rust remover)
[21:56:42] <andypugh> CocaCola might work. That’smainly phosphoric acid.
[21:57:47] <DaViruz> andypugh: do they need to be insulated?
[21:58:03] <andypugh> Ideally, yes.
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[22:02:53] <Sync> andypugh: lapp makes a tool for them
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[22:03:15] <andypugh> Sync: I doubt I want to afford any tool that Lapp makes :-)
[22:03:35] <Sync> I do, as cheap crimping tools are the devil
[22:03:51] <DaViruz> people just looove to call aluminium aviation or aircraft grade
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[22:08:19] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p6hqMnsLFY
[22:08:20] <zeeshan> holy cow
[22:08:50] <Sync> old
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[22:09:28] <zeeshan> :D
[22:09:48] <Sync> I love how the burning plane falls to the ground with jumpers all over
[22:09:59] <zeeshan> looks like ascene from the movies
[22:12:56] <andypugh> That has to be the best ever plane crash to be in :-)
[22:13:44] <andypugh> Though I guess anything with an ejector seat is about the same.
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[22:14:10] <zeeshan> i woulda held onto the plane as long as possible
[22:14:20] * zeeshan is last man down!
[22:18:28] <gregcnc> a different plane crash oops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FziLpDfwWnc
[22:19:18] <Lowridah> i should start telling people everything i deal with is either aircraft or surgical grade
[22:19:27] <Lowridah> baggies, socks, nail clippers, soap
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[22:54:57] <unfy> i taped a pen to spindle, did a draw test. worked fine. noisy as fuck due to lead screw chattering in the not-perfect-fit pillow blocks... but... worky yay.
[22:55:06] <unfy> i'll have to run it with a powered spindle soon :D
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[22:58:51] <alex4nder> alright
[22:58:56] <alex4nder> my mill is alive
[22:59:10] <Jymmm> KILL THE BASTARD!!!
[22:59:52] <alex4nder> I need to get some oil, because the thing has been sitting
[22:59:58] <alex4nder> but the electronics are working
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[23:07:01] <unfy> sadly, i keep thinking to myself 'now that i built one, do i build a bigger one "for real" ... or buy something ...'
[23:07:27] <alex4nder> yah, it never ends
[23:08:47] <alex4nder> I'm just working on convincing myself that less is more.
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[23:09:08] <alex4nder> I will say this though: the 7i76e is sick
[23:09:19] <alex4nder> ethernet makes things so much easier
[23:29:25] <JT-Shop> I got some nut saying the 7i76 field power should be able to be 5vdc "according to the manual"
[23:31:13] <JT-Shop> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15769153/
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[23:50:22] <_methods> never deal with the public
[23:50:23] <_methods> lol
[23:50:31] <_methods> they're all batshit
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