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[00:00:03] <zeeshan|2> http://jalopnik.com/subaru-settles-lawsuit-over-oil-burning-cars-1752805682
[00:00:04] <XXCoder> geez
[00:00:05] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Looks like a lot ofpeople joined just to post about engine failure, sounds pretty typical of *any* system: People complain about bad, but stay silent about good?
[00:00:19] <yasnak> yeah, its like yelp
[00:00:20] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: tell me why this doesnt happen on toyota forums?
[00:00:22] <zeeshan|2> or toyota4runner?
[00:00:28] <XXCoder> malcom2073: yeah negative bias is everywhere online
[00:00:28] <zeeshan|2> i searched religiously after this experience
[00:00:32] <yasnak> maybe its all in japanese? haha
[00:00:37] <yasnak> I'm only half kidding
[00:00:39] <XXCoder> complants is MUCH more visiable than prises
[00:00:40] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Tell you why a particular habit of recoding a failure doesn't happen on X forum as opposed to Y?
[00:00:41] <zeeshan|2> theres not a whine about engine failure
[00:00:44] <malcom2073> Really? heh
[00:00:50] <zeeshan|2> yes.
[00:00:57] <zeeshan|2> youre theory is flawed
[00:01:03] <zeeshan|2> your :P
[00:01:05] <XXCoder> your grammar is flawed
[00:01:09] <malcom2073> And your logic is flawed.
[00:01:10] <yasnak> rekt
[00:01:23] <malcom2073> Shall I lookup whatisyourfallacy.com?
[00:01:29] <malcom2073> or whatever that website is? :P
[00:01:34] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: you're clearly not a car guyu
[00:01:41] <zeeshan|2> so why argue with me?
[00:01:52] <malcom2073> Heh, yeah ok. I've built more engines than you've driven
[00:01:58] <zeeshan|2> i'm not talking about random forums.
[00:02:02] <zeeshan|2> i'm talking about forums with a huge base
[00:02:08] <zeeshan|2> yea ok buddy.
[00:02:30] <malcom2073> Still anecdotal when you look at total sales numbers
[00:02:32] <zeeshan|2> keep throwing steppers on machines :)
[00:02:46] <yasnak> zeeshan, whats up with yours? sorry. i don't have a very long attention span
[00:02:46] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
[00:02:47] <zeeshan|2> do you really want a specific example
[00:02:50] <malcom2073> You've commited two, pick them out :)
[00:03:35] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: what do you drive?
[00:03:55] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: There is no right answer to that question, you're looking for ammuniton now.
[00:04:05] <zeeshan|2> 2011 44,316[25] 2012 48,755[25] 2013 51,625[26] 2014 76,906[27] 2015 97,034[28]
[00:04:10] <zeeshan|2> ^ toyota 4runner sales figures
[00:04:20] <zeeshan|2> 1995 75,962[21] 1996 99,597[21] 1997 128,496[21] 1998 118,484[21] 1999 124,221[21] 2000 111,797[22] 2001 90,250[21] 2002 77,026[23] 2003 109,308[21] 2004 114,212[21] 2005 103,830[21] 2006 103,086[21] 2007 87,718[21] 2008 47,878[21] 2009 19,675[24] 2010 46,531[24] 2011 44,316[25] 2012 48,755[25] 2013 51,625[26] 2014 76,906[27] 2015 97,0
[00:04:28] <zeeshan|2> http://www.toyota-4runner.org/
[00:04:35] <zeeshan|2> find me a blown motor under 35000 km
[00:04:36] <XXCoder> more popular is not always better
[00:05:20] <yasnak> blown motor how? what year?
[00:05:30] <malcom2073> Ok you've commited three now
[00:05:30] <malcom2073> :)
[00:06:04] <zeeshan|2> that forum specifically has 130000 members :P
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[00:07:36] <zeeshan|2> subaru wrx/sti: 2010: 44,395 2011: 13,805 2012: 13,624 2013: 17,969 2014: 25,492 2015: 33,734
[00:07:40] <zeeshan|2> much less made
[00:07:42] <zeeshan|2> much more blowups.
[00:07:48] <zeeshan|2> explain the logic now
[00:07:57] <malcom2073> Four now
[00:08:09] <zeeshan|2> clueless :P
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[00:08:28] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: lets see some of the engines you've built?!?!
[00:08:34] <malcom2073> Just because there are more apples sold, and more people ring your doorbell trying to sell oranges, doesn't mean that everyone sells oranges instead of apples
[00:08:40] <zeeshan|2> surely you have some pics since you're built so many :)
[00:08:46] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Once again, you're looking for ammunition, not interested in a real discussion
[00:09:00] <Tom_itx> my hands were too greasy to take pics back then
[00:09:05] <zeeshan|2> haha
[00:09:20] <yasnak> I remember reading something about how Toyota held some pathetically close tolerances on their motors. Was very interesting and made you wonder if they actually needed the premium Lexus line.
[00:09:20] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: i don't need anymore ammunition
[00:09:20] <Tom_itx> i've done more VW than i can count
[00:09:25] <Tom_itx> bmw
[00:09:27] <Tom_itx> brittish
[00:09:29] <Tom_itx> american
[00:09:30] <zeeshan|2> i know you're the same guy that purposely removed servos to put steppers
[00:09:32] <yasnak> VW...now those are fun motors when they go bad
[00:09:36] <Tom_itx> mini cooper
[00:09:40] <zeeshan|2> =D
[00:09:44] <XXCoder> yasnak: heh I owned one toyata. that car was... fun to drive. :P
[00:09:49] <Tom_itx> jensen healey
[00:09:53] <Tom_itx> triumph
[00:10:01] <Tom_itx> all sorts of US
[00:10:06] <zeeshan|2> toyota as far as i'm concerned is the best manufacturer inthe world
[00:10:09] <XXCoder> yasnak: it was so pathicially weak I had tp speed up before hitting hills. toyata cars tend to weaken with age for some reason
[00:10:09] <Tom_itx> lotus
[00:10:11] <Tom_itx> twincam
[00:10:17] <Tom_itx> toys
[00:10:23] <yasnak> xxcoder, I have a civic for "groceries" and man that's a nice car. but its going in for the second recall tomorrow.
[00:10:25] <Tom_itx> watercooled vw
[00:10:31] <Tom_itx> those had weak rods
[00:10:33] <zeeshan|2> their lean principles that they implemented like decades are ago are "newly" being implemented in north american companies :P
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[00:10:43] <zeeshan|2> yasnak: whats the recall?
[00:10:45] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: I doubt I will buy VW cars anytime soon
[00:10:58] <XXCoder> they got caught lying on diesel emissions
[00:11:00] <yasnak> xxcoder, second recall they're honoring. looking at the parts suppliers i'm betting that both ford and gmc have the same issues but not the cash for the recalls haha
[00:11:04] <Tom_itx> jag
[00:11:09] <Tom_itx> i've forgotten alot of em
[00:11:51] <Tom_itx> merc have a special tool for everything
[00:11:53] <Tom_itx> what a pita
[00:12:29] <yasnak> *civic = camry
[00:12:37] <yasnak> my brain is off on saturdays :P
[00:12:54] <zeeshan|2> malcom2073: ps i read your orange and apples comment
[00:13:23] <zeeshan|2> if you think that's the same problem as what i described, clearly i'm doing a poor job at communicating
[00:13:24] <zeeshan|2> :P
[00:13:45] <yasnak> I had a ford escort sho with the Yamaha motor. that was an awesome car but after it aged nobody could get me parts haha
[00:14:12] <zeeshan|2> yasnak: whats the recall?!?
[00:14:24] <zeeshan|2> "plastic piece breaks too easily"?
[00:14:26] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Eh I'm only about 1/4 paying attention, was the best I could do at the time :P
[00:14:27] <zeeshan|2> :)
[00:14:45] <yasnak> oh, just the power window switch
[00:14:47] <yasnak> nothing big lol
[00:14:52] <zeeshan|2> haha
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[00:14:58] <zeeshan|2> theres 2 recalls on my car right now
[00:15:07] <yasnak> we don't have a dealership nearby so its somewhat a planned trip whenever i need to go
[00:15:09] <zeeshan|2> "brake lines may prematurely corrode and fail"
[00:15:30] <yasnak> and do you live in an area with tons of salt?
[00:16:04] <zeeshan|2> ya
[00:16:08] <yasnak> my new dodge is a 2012 w/cummins. wheel wells entirely rusted out with not even 42k on it
[00:16:32] <zeeshan|2> my dads cadillac cts
[00:16:33] <zeeshan|2> 2008
[00:16:37] <zeeshan|2> doesnt have a spot of rust on it
[00:16:39] <hatch789> guys I tried installing the RTAI kernel tonight and once I do that I can't use teamviewer or skype anymore. Is this normal for everyone?
[00:16:39] <yasnak> moved it from up north, used for plowing. job moved me to florida...rusted out so fast
[00:16:41] <zeeshan|2> i really like caddys
[00:17:12] <zeeshan|2> yasnak: the salt water?
[00:17:43] <yasnak> we had some salt spray they used on the ice/snow in wisconsin. it seems when i moved to florida the salty air from the gulf rusted it up so fast
[00:17:57] <hatch789> if I boot to the normal amd64 jellie kernel I'm fine I can use skype and teamviewer ...so I am wondering if most people are using linuxCNC with the sym option instead of RTAI? -Is my question making sense to you?
[00:17:59] <yasnak> i know the wheel wells are from up north combined with down here
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[00:20:51] <pcw_home> hatch789: The RTAI kernel is rather old and spartan,
[00:20:53] <pcw_home> if you dont need realtime use the stock kernel
[00:22:02] <zeeshan|2> https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiN_9HT5oLMAhVHr4MKHcFnAC0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motortrend.com%2Fcars%2Ftoyota%2F4runner%2F2014%2F&psig=AFQjCNH203Actz-7IcoBbRYcW2uVYkscDw&ust=1460334096907307
[00:22:04] <zeeshan|2> i wanna do this!
[00:22:10] <zeeshan|2> soooooo redneck. i love it
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[00:26:03] <listening> sorry
[00:26:31] <listening> I was on another PC sorry about that
[00:26:49] <listening> how do I change my nickname to my normal one/
[00:26:55] <zeeshan|2> type /nick yourname
[00:27:06] listening is now known as hatch789
[00:27:09] <hatch789> there we go
[00:27:45] <hatch789> so PCW when you guys do the LinuxCNC install you just use the Sim option mostly?
[00:27:53] <hatch789> dang I thought I needed to use the RTAI option
[00:30:42] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: hook me up with catia notes :)
[00:30:59] <zeeshan|2> i'd like to be more fluent in french and catia this year :)
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[00:36:36] <pcw_home> to control hardware you need a real time kernel
[00:45:09] <pcw_home> though you can use a RTAI or Preempt-RT real time kernel
[00:45:16] <jdh> http://i.imgur.com/ojlSK8r.gif
[00:49:57] <CaptHindsight> that prank only works once on most people
[00:50:20] <XXCoder> jeez
[00:50:27] <XXCoder> gonna lovr gif control though
[00:50:34] <XXCoder> allows me to pause gif anytime
[00:50:43] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: that tap guide showed up a few days ago
[00:51:00] <CaptHindsight> also works as a drill guide
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[00:51:46] <CaptHindsight> fishing weight, bug smasher, door stop, glass breaker ......
[00:52:12] <CaptHindsight> and toe sweller
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[00:56:27] <alex4nder> pcw_home: with a mesa 7i76e, and a preempt_rt kernel, do you think that +/- 95 uS for a 1ms servo thread is reasonable?
[00:59:26] <pcw_home> might be ok, probably more important to check servo-thread.tmax while running for a day or
[00:59:27] <pcw_home> two to make sure it not close to motion.servo.last-period
[00:59:49] <pcw_home> it is is not close
[01:00:37] <pcw_home> ( especially if this is s slow machine like a Atom )
[01:05:02] <alex4nder> ok thanks
[01:15:01] <pcw_home> in my experience Preempt-RT seems to have the lowest latency on faster machines (with exceptions of course)
[01:19:06] <pcw_home> 95 usec (or even 500 usec ) of jitter is not an issue for the stepgen if the DPLL is enabled
[01:19:08] <pcw_home> since the position sampling will have much less than 1 usec jitter, but you do need to check that
[01:19:09] <pcw_home> that you are not close to running out of time at your selected servo thread rate
[01:28:37] <hatch789> so I'm still trying to figure out what install option I want to employ with LinuxCNC. I don't mean to seem like an idiot about this. But in version 2.5 of LinuxCNC we had no choice, it was the ubuntu build with 1 kernel
[01:29:21] <hatch789> now with choices of kernels I'm just searching for what people recommend or perhaps better stated, I'm looking for what I would want to run to achieve reasonable results with my system.
[01:29:31] <hatch789> I'm just unclear how to determine that with the given information
[01:30:26] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 what do you want to know?
[01:30:51] <hatch789> further complicating matters is the fact that the RTAI kernel seems to prohibit the use of certain software due to its archaic nature. Whereas the SIM option with a normal kernel seems to allow the 3rd party software (Skype / Teamviewer) to run without issue... is it truly giving me the LinuxCNC performance (accuracy) I need?
[01:31:07] <hatch789> how do you guys determine the answer to this?
[01:31:34] <djdelorie> you need a realtime kernel of some sort to run real hardware
[01:32:28] <hatch789> does that mean you only use the sim option (with a normal kernel) for testing ...and then you reboot into RTAI Kernel for real work?
[01:33:04] <hatch789> I could live with that answer but it seems like you have to keep uninstalling LinuxCNC each time you want to switch between options
[01:33:27] <hatch789> uninstall it for RTAI and reinstall it for SIM then reverse that to go the other way? -Am I missing something?
[01:33:28] <djdelorie> I use the sim option on my desktop system, with cad/cam and other programs, to see if the path looks right
[01:33:46] <djdelorie> but I have a dedicated cheap PC with the realtime kernel and a hardware-specific config to run the machine
[01:34:43] <hatch789> ok so if you have issues on that cheap PC ...you can't really bring someone in to help with Teamviewer (for instance) because it simply won't run with the RTAI kernel. That's what I was running into this evening.
[01:35:01] <hatch789> I was trying to get some help and couldn't fire up teamviewer with my RTAI kernel
[01:35:17] <djdelorie> you're missing the "two PCs" part. Bring up teamviewer on the other pc
[01:35:39] <hatch789> but if you do that you can't show the issue that the other PC is having really
[01:35:42] <hatch789> you can only describe it
[01:36:00] <minibnz> hmm i think i will need to add a gib lock to my Z axis to be able to use my fly cutter.. it has a habbit of pulling thehead down into the job. its either that or a larger stepper that can hold the forces better..
[01:36:15] <djdelorie> heh. webcams - just aim them at the other machine
[01:36:38] <djdelorie> hopefully there's a "use this other realtime kernel" solution for you, but that's what I do
[01:38:05] <minibnz> vnc in from the teamviewer pc to the linuxcnc session...
[01:38:25] <minibnz> im vnc'd in to my mill from my mac laptop now :)
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[01:41:30] <pcw_home> depending on you hardware required latency you can get a up-to-date Preempt-RT kernel (they are at 4.4.6)
[01:41:41] <pcw_home> s/you/your/
[01:42:08] <djdelorie> which linuxcnc version do you need to run preempt-rt ?
[01:42:45] <pcw_home> uspace version (only for 2.7 and > I think)
[01:43:00] * djdelorie thinks its time to upgrade...
[01:44:09] <pcw_home> with the right PC, Preempt-RT has very good latency:
[01:44:10] <pcw_home> http://freeby.mesanet.com/h97-g3258-preemt-rt.png
[01:45:07] <hatch789> so I am using debian 8 Jessie version and then after base install... there's a package I can install on top to give me a RT kernel option
[01:45:42] <hatch789> lcncinstall.iso
[01:46:26] <hatch789> but when I'm looking at the documentation it states that Jessie is supposed to be simulation only
[01:55:28] <_methods> minibnz: do you have a counterweight on your z axis?
[01:55:39] <_methods> you have an x2 right?
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[02:19:55] <pcw_home> I just built the RT kernel and linuxcnc from source
[02:19:57] <pcw_home> This will probably work with Jessie but I have not tried
[02:19:58] <pcw_home> (running LinuxCNC on wheezy, Ubuntu 14.04 and Mint all with Preempt-RT kernels )
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[02:31:50] <CaptHindsight> hatch789: grub allows you to choose which kernel you wish to run
[02:32:35] <CaptHindsight> so you can have a non-rt kernel, rt kernel and rtai kernal all on the menu and you can choose which one you wish to boot from
[02:39:04] <minibnz> _methods yes i have a X2... no counter weight just a air spring that looked about right for the job in the wreckers yard...
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[02:55:11] <minibnz> and there is also 1.83mm of backlash in Z axis..
[02:56:41] <minibnz> i have tried packing out the rack to the pinion doesn't get any better.. thinking about ballscrew for that.. the X & Y axis are so nice now..
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[03:03:46] <minibnz> the belt drive makes it really quiet :) very happy with the result and the time it took to make.
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[03:49:57] <unfyhome> sooooo i get breakout board and drivers mounted on a board and all wired up. start computer. stuck at 'welcome to grub'. sigh.... silly computers.
[03:50:16] <unfyhome> anyway - what's diff between 2.7 and 2.6 for linuxcnc ? figured i'd download an iso and re-install
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[03:51:11] <R2E4> Evening y'All
[03:51:16] <unfyhome> \o
[03:51:57] <R2E4> With a 7i77, you gots to run a pre-empt kernel?
[03:52:10] <R2E4> 7i77E i mean
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[05:31:12] <Ralith> linuxcnc is still on kernel 2?
[05:31:35] <Ralith> oh, just linuxcnc versions which are very similar looking
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[07:05:06] <Deejay> moin
[07:12:00] <CaptHindsight> Deejay: vas ist los?
[07:13:04] <CaptHindsight> v/w
[07:14:03] <CaptHindsight> der Hund ist locker wieder
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[11:53:04] <_methods> minibnz: yeah i have ballscrew on my z but the column still flexes when taking any kind of real cut
[11:53:29] <_methods> i need to add some gussets to the column or something, or maybe just not try and cut anything besides aluminum lol
[11:56:45] <archivist> strengthening columns is getting popular around these parts
[11:59:30] <enleth> Have you ever used those two-part polyurethane paints/enamels they paint machine equipment with?
[12:00:21] <archivist> I just use lidl/aldi metal paint
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[12:03:56] <enleth> that "hammered cast iron" look paint?
[12:06:58] <archivist> no, just the plain metal paint the occasionally have
[12:07:58] <archivist> the grey gloss
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=barber
[12:09:53] <archivist> not as hard wearing but price suits me a bit better
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[12:39:27] <Encapsulation> http://www.camaster.com/product/stinger-i/
[12:46:09] <Encapsulation> a little above my budgetr
[12:46:14] <Encapsulation> but damn thats a lot for the money I think
[12:46:21] <Encapsulation> welded frame, hiwin railes, PC + monitor included
[12:47:31] <archivist> Free Remote Support Technician for the Life of the Machine until they go bust
[12:48:19] <archivist> rofl Repeatability 0.002” (+/-)
[12:48:36] <archivist> that is 4 thou total
[12:49:47] <Encapsulation> thats a good thing right?
[12:49:56] <Encapsulation> they are actually giving an honest number instead of something made up
[12:49:57] <archivist> no
[12:50:32] <archivist> for that price I would expect far better than 4 thou
[12:50:45] <Encapsulation> how do you get the 4? I'm curious
[12:51:15] <Encapsulation> +- means the repeatability must be doubled?
[12:51:20] <Encapsulation> right I see
[12:52:08] <malcom2073> +/- means in either direction
[12:52:11] <malcom2073> 2 in either direction is 4 total
[12:52:33] <Encapsulation> I sent them an email asking about the accuracy of the machine
[12:52:35] <malcom2073> repeatability should be *way* better than that. Precision? Maybe not
[12:53:04] <Encapsulation> is that because of the rack and pinion drive?
[12:53:07] <Encapsulation> on xy
[12:53:08] <malcom2073> My guess is they're using non anti-backlash screws
[12:53:12] <malcom2073> Ah likely
[12:53:49] <archivist> no way to make your PCBs on that
[12:54:02] <Encapsulation> ok
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[13:00:05] <_methods> enleth: i've been looking at the dupont imron stuff for a machine i'm repainting
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[13:00:48] <_methods> i need to figure out what you use for primer and filler underneath it though
[13:03:02] <enleth> it would be nice to know someone who works at a machine tool factory and can drop by the painting department
[13:03:45] <_methods> well i think most machine cover/sheetmetal stuff gets powder coated
[13:03:52] <_methods> but castings get painted with imron
[13:03:56] <_methods> or something comparable
[13:04:09] <enleth> wait
[13:04:15] <enleth> maybe just, like
[13:04:21] <enleth> ask dupont?
[13:04:24] <_methods> yep
[13:04:27] <_methods> or ppg
[13:04:31] <_methods> or whoever you get your paints from
[13:06:20] <_methods> or even a local paint store that deals with industrial coatings
[13:06:35] <_methods> they'd probably be able to give you multiple options instead of just dupont stuff
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[14:28:49] <CaptHindsight> imron has been around since the 80's
[14:29:13] <CaptHindsight> so old I forget what it is. Polyester?
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[14:29:57] <CaptHindsight> ah urethane
[14:31:02] <CaptHindsight> isocyanate
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[14:31:36] <Encapsulate> I'm shopping for motors and spindles now
[14:31:48] <Encapsulate> is er16 collet ok?
[14:32:25] <Encapsulate> in chinese spindles, I can't find 2.2kw 110v spindle which has er-16 collet
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[14:32:31] <Encapsulate> omio x6-2200l has it... but I dont see how
[14:32:47] <Encapsulate> they all seem to be 220v for 2.2kw on ebay
[14:33:03] <CaptHindsight> _methods: anything for automotive urethane will go under it
[14:33:10] <CaptHindsight> bondo for filler
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[14:33:26] <Encapsulate> I like the look of leadshine 3660 for controller, and with 3x 311oz motors + 48v psu I think this is a good deal from george for $350
[14:33:30] <CaptHindsight> any decent primer and sanding
[14:35:49] <Encapsulate> perhaps it would be better to source my own motors though, I would think the ones he includes are nie
[14:35:51] <Encapsulate> nice
[14:35:58] <Encapsulate> or at least matched to the machine
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[14:36:34] <Encapsulate> then I will add ethernet smoothstepper to the 3660
[14:36:44] <Encapsulate> then I can use laptop
[14:36:46] <Encapsulate> better than usb
[14:37:09] <CaptHindsight> _methods: 2k primers will be tougher than single part
[14:37:28] <Encapsulate> "The DB25 to LPH26 ribbon cable option allows the Ethernet SmoothStepper to plug directly into all-in-one motor drivers like the MX4660, MX3660, or G540."
[14:37:38] <CaptHindsight> the most important thing is surface prep
[14:37:56] <Encapsulate> g540 seems dated
[14:38:04] <Encapsulate> leadshine 3660 has nicer features now
[14:40:04] <Encapsulate> I'll put the 48v psu the all in one driver board and the smoothstepper into a small enclosure, maybe a small pc case
[14:40:06] <Encapsulate> add estop button
[14:40:16] <Encapsulate> put the spindle vfd in there too
[14:40:22] <Encapsulate> this is going to be nice
[14:41:10] <Encapsulate> then from what I understand I can just bring my laptop over and plug in via ethernet to control the machine
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[14:43:13] <CaptHindsight> _methods:
http://lumiflonusa.com/product-specifications/ are the longest lasting topcoats
[14:46:06] <CaptHindsight> All Prior Art is a project attempting to algorithmically create and publicly publish all possible new prior art, thereby making the published concepts not patent-able.
[14:46:28] <CaptHindsight> http://allpriorart.com/
[14:47:01] <Encapsulate> http://www.tinycontrols.com/cnc-control-box-kit-1.html maybe a kit like this to make the control box
[14:47:15] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Monkeys writing shakespeare eh?
[14:48:42] <CaptHindsight> patents sure aren't Shakespeare
[14:48:59] <malcom2073> The concept is the same, random words will eventually make sense
[14:50:14] <CaptHindsight> I think you miss the point of what is actually happening
[14:52:06] <CaptHindsight> just put internet in front of everything
[14:52:13] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
[14:52:30] <CaptHindsight> put 3d printed in front of everything
[14:53:36] <CaptHindsight> rounded corners, on the smartphone, in a car, in front of everything etc etc
[14:54:19] <CaptHindsight> they will probably change the definition of prior art next
[14:54:19] <_methods> CaptHindsight: interesting i'll look at that stuff
[14:54:26] <_methods> yeah imron is old but tried an true
[14:54:26] <malcom2073> Not just putting those words in front, but trying to make *every* possible combonation of words from previously written patents
[14:54:31] <malcom2073> Thus making any new patents, not possible heh
[14:54:33] <_methods> very resistant to coolants and impact
[14:54:40] <CaptHindsight> wooosh
[14:54:44] <_methods> only bad thing is they isocyanate
[14:54:53] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight:
http://allpriorart.com/about/
[14:55:41] <CaptHindsight> _methods: imron is an isocyanate
[14:55:48] <_methods> i don't have a positive pressure mask but i do have full face respirator
[14:56:02] <_methods> i think as long as i do the painting outside i'll be good to go
[14:56:03] <CaptHindsight> FEVE can be if you want it to be
[14:56:37] <CaptHindsight> yeah, just don't stand in the overspray
[14:56:41] <_methods> yeah lol
[14:57:11] <_methods> we got rid of our booth at work
[14:57:27] <_methods> i'll just shoot it out in the parking lot lol
[14:57:37] <CaptHindsight> impact resistance requires some flex and good adhesion
[14:57:42] <_methods> and stay upwind
[14:57:48] <CaptHindsight> so not a hard surface
[14:57:50] <_methods> yeah i think that's why most people use imron
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[14:57:55] <_methods> since it's very impact resistant
[14:58:01] <_methods> and chem resistant
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[14:58:48] <_methods> but if there is something better out there i'm definitely willing to try it
[15:00:45] <CaptHindsight> is there a way for you to dip the machine frame into molten polypropylene?
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[15:02:08] <_methods> lol nope
[15:02:19] <_methods> hot dip galvanize it
[15:02:20] <Tom_itx> imron is used for aircraft
[15:02:58] <_methods> ah they use that stuff on planes too eh
[15:03:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.american-coatings-show.com/ starts tomorrow
[15:03:24] <Tom_itx> i would guess most machines get painted with an enamel
[15:04:03] <_methods> all i want to know is what paint does donald use on his stuff
[15:04:08] <_methods> cause i'm sure it's the best
[15:04:12] <Tom_itx> and probably quite a bit cheaper than imron
[15:04:18] <CaptHindsight> wall building paint
[15:04:44] <CaptHindsight> aliphatic xenophobic urethane
[15:04:54] <_methods> lol
[15:05:14] <_methods> terrorist resistant paint
[15:05:16] <Tom_itx> i saw the 3d print room at the lab last week
[15:05:42] <Tom_itx> shelves full of small printers and a handfull of $$$$ ones
[15:05:47] <_methods> nice
[15:05:53] <Tom_itx> still haven't seen the metal printer
[15:06:03] <_methods> oh they actually have one of them
[15:06:10] <Tom_itx> yes
[15:06:50] <_methods> fun
[15:07:05] <_methods> get your ass in there and print some damn guns
[15:07:20] <Tom_itx> the one in the middle of the room was probably a 3-4' bed
[15:07:38] <Tom_itx> with equal z height
[15:08:07] <_methods> wonder how long a print that size takes
[15:08:13] <_methods> oh that wasn't the metal one
[15:08:22] <Tom_itx> one on one of the smaller ones was timed at 38 hrs
[15:08:30] <_methods> yeah
[15:08:41] <Tom_itx> and it failed toward the end
[15:09:00] <Tom_itx> this wasn't in that lab room but one of the smaller printers in my lab
[15:09:26] <Tom_itx> they've got those cheap ones sprinkled all over the place
[15:10:11] <Tom_itx> they use the main ones for custom jobs for outside companies
[15:13:01] <Tom_itx> i think imron is 2 part epoxy
[15:13:36] <CaptHindsight> 2k urethane
[15:15:56] <CaptHindsight> imron is a urethane that use a fluorinated thinner
[15:16:24] <CaptHindsight> FEVE is superior since it's a fluorinated vinyl
[15:19:09] <CaptHindsight> http://lumiflonusa.com/features-benefits/
[15:20:06] <CaptHindsight> 2-3X the life of isocyanate urethanes
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[15:36:57] <_methods> i'll look into that then
[15:44:45] <pcw_home> wonder if dead-in-the-water will ever get running
[15:45:11] <pcw_home> oops
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[16:04:16] <Encapsulate> in chinese spindles, I can't find 2.2kw 110v spindle which has er-16 collet
[16:04:22] <Encapsulate> omio x6-2200l has it... but I dont see how
[16:04:35] <Encapsulate> maybe 1500w is enough
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[16:35:21] <alex4nder> pcw_home: I see from that latency screenshot that you're getting good latency results from 3.18.7-rt1.. is that your preferred kernel, or just one you happen to be using?
[16:37:10] <pcw_home> Thats just old, I have had spotty results with the 4.4.X kernels so I would not recommend them
[16:37:41] <pcw_home> on the same hardware 4.4.1 is fine
[16:37:47] <alex4nder> ok
[16:39:22] <pcw_home> I've been using this for a month or so on my home desktop:
[16:39:24] <pcw_home> 4.1.15-rt18-rc1 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Mar 3 21:17:58 PST 2016 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:40:07] <alex4nder> ah, you've got a 32 bit setup going?
[16:40:13] <pcw_home> And it seems fine on an older machine (ubuntu 14.04 Core Duo 8500)
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[16:41:34] <pcw_home> yeah, just about to try mint17.3 64 bit on
[16:41:35] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173128
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[16:42:15] <alex4nder> ok, I'm running debian testing amd64 on a shuttle ds57u
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[16:45:33] <pcw_home> should be interesting, may need a fairly new kernel to work
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[16:45:58] <alex4nder> yah
[16:45:58] <pcw_home> (might want to compile the kernel on a faster machine)
[16:48:08] <alex4nder> pcw_home: with 4.1.15-rt18, are you getting pretty decent results?
[16:48:26] <pcw_home> yes
[16:48:47] <alex4nder> killer, I'll give that a try
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[16:49:58] <pcw_home> anything newer that 3.14 or so seems good latency wise _except_ the 4.4.X kernels which have either had bad latency or hard crashes for me
[16:50:50] <pcw_home> though 4.4.1 on the G3258 seems fine so it may be only later 4.4 kernels where the trouble began
[16:52:03] <CaptHindsight> rt patched 4.4.X kernels or 4.4.X kernels in general are crashy/buggy?
[16:53:24] <pcw_home> Thats been my experience though not sure where the badness starts, As i said I have 4.4.1-rtsomething on the G3258 and its fine
[16:54:31] <alex4nder> I'm using debian's amd64 4.4.0-1-rt-amd64 package, which they versioned 4.4.6-1 .. and it's been stable on this hardware, but the latency numbers aren't great.
[16:56:37] <pcw_home> you might try the 4.1.15 and see if theres any improvement though the Celron 3205 is pretty slow so it may just be that
[16:56:50] <alex4nder> will do; I'm building that right now
[16:57:24] <pcw_home> CaptHindsight: I have not tried any non-rt kernel for a while so do not know
[16:58:00] <alex4nder> make -j 56 ... we live in amazing times
[16:59:33] <pcw_home> in general I have noticed that slow (or perhaps small cache) machines have larger Preempt-RT latency
[16:59:52] <alex4nder> ok
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[17:00:44] <pcw_home> for the 7I76E ist not really critical as long as it can run the servo thread without running out of time
[17:02:48] <alex4nder> ok 4.1.15-rt18 built..
[17:04:50] <pcw_home> fast machine!
[17:05:09] <alex4nder> yah, intel's latest chips are nuts
[17:12:54] <mase-tech> I search a alternative for nema 17
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[17:14:13] <maxcnc> hi all
[17:14:31] <maxcnc> a first summer day here in South Germany
[17:15:17] <malcom2073> Nice, it snowed here yesterday heh
[17:17:52] <mase-tech> Yes quite enjoyable here in germany :D
[17:17:57] <mase-tech> hi maxcnc
[17:19:44] <maxcnc> ;-)
[17:20:44] <bobo_> BeachBumPete: what is the latest update ?
[17:23:03] <maxcnc> updates are only uefull if they work ;-)(
[17:25:17] <BeachBumPete> http://imgur.com/a/U7htE How's this for an update? ;)
[17:26:44] <zeeshan|2> nice pete
[17:26:44] <zeeshan|2> :P
[17:26:58] <BeachBumPete> thanks zeeshan we had a blast yesterday
[17:28:02] <BeachBumPete> my kids both caught some amberjacks and I caught a baby perch LOL
[17:28:42] <BeachBumPete> I lost a big one (of course) he hit hard and then somehow got off I fought him for a couple seconds that was a lot of fun tho :D
[17:29:33] <BeachBumPete> Still house hunting tho and I am still trying to find my wife a nice SUV for sale...
[17:30:31] <zeeshan|2> 4runnerrrrr
[17:31:15] <BeachBumPete> I am not a big fan of those really. I would rather get the Xterra but she does not like that either. She wants either a jeep Wrangler or some sort of convertible car or something...
[17:31:39] <zeeshan|2> most reliable suv
[17:31:43] <zeeshan|2> from my search
[17:32:04] <alex4nder> BeachBumPete: apropos of nothing, I just did a 10 hour roadtrip in an Xterra.. nothing but complaints from passengers in it
[17:32:06] <zeeshan|2> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4b/08/47/4b0847e00ee8e352ff2df315fa00e778.jpg
[17:32:09] <zeeshan|2> im gonna mode mine to look like this
[17:32:10] <zeeshan|2> haha
[17:32:13] <zeeshan|2> minus the ski crap
[17:32:17] <zeeshan|2> i hate snowboarding/skin
[17:32:20] <zeeshan|2> *skiing
[17:32:46] <maxcnc> pete here on the local university they build this out of concrete
[17:32:57] <BeachBumPete> alex4nder if I am going to take a 10 hour road trip I am gonna take my comfy astro van :D
[17:33:32] <alex4nder> yah
[17:33:39] <BeachBumPete> I just took it to a custom stereo shop the other day and had them install a brand new pioneer DVD/usb/bluetooth unit and man it kicks ass
[17:33:50] <maxcnc> Q someone here ever been to bearning man in Nevada ive been overt 2 tickets
[17:34:06] <BeachBumPete> once they get the new drop down TV in stock I am gonna have them install that too for the kids to watch videos on
[17:34:13] <maxcnc> seams this is a desert event
[17:34:16] <alex4nder> BeachBumPete: we had 1200 lbs of passengers and gear in the Xterra, and the backend was bottoming out going over minor bumps in the road
[17:34:44] <BeachBumPete> alex4nder what year X?
[17:35:22] <alex4nder> I believe it was a 2015
[17:35:35] <BeachBumPete> OK
[17:35:43] <maxcnc> im off gn8
[17:35:45] <BeachBumPete> personally I prefer the first gens
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[17:36:53] <zeeshan|2> alex4nder: i didnt hear too good reviews online for the xterra
[17:37:01] <zeeshan|2> i need something with a strong engine and trans
[17:37:14] <alex4nder> there's not a lot in the SUV market with that anymore
[17:37:22] <zeeshan|2> the 4runner is the only one i can find
[17:37:25] <zeeshan|2> that i can afford
[17:37:29] <zeeshan|2> https://www.ncconsumer.org/news-articles/settlement-reached-in-lawsuit-against-nissan-over-failed-radiators-transmissions.html
[17:37:33] <alex4nder> I like the old XJ cherokees
[17:37:35] <zeeshan|2> that is what i saw about the xterras
[17:37:40] <BeachBumPete> 4 runners and known to roll over easily just sayin'
[17:37:51] <zeeshan|2> BeachBumPete: itll still drive after a roll over
[17:37:56] <zeeshan|2> the subaru pos just blow engines
[17:37:58] <zeeshan|2> cant do shit
[17:38:03] <BeachBumPete> it might but you won't LOL
[17:38:12] <zeeshan|2> any suv will roll over
[17:38:16] <zeeshan|2> high cg.
[17:38:19] <zeeshan|2> its not a 4 door sedan
[17:38:31] <BeachBumPete> true but they have one of the worst reps for that
[17:39:49] * zeeshan|2 checks 4runners
[17:39:49] <BeachBumPete> where we lived in Tennessee there was a yard nearby that specialized in toyota spare parts. it was FULL of rolled over toyota 4 runners
[17:39:52] <zeeshan|2> to see what youre talkin about
[17:39:52] <zeeshan|2> :P
[17:40:38] <BeachBumPete> if you want a toyota I would absolutely get a landcruiser over the 4 runner... way better truck
[17:40:57] <zeeshan|2> i dont want an ancient car.
[17:41:01] <zeeshan|2> i want something with a 8 year warranty
[17:41:22] <BeachBumPete> they still make them only now they are called infiniti or something :D
[17:41:24] <zeeshan|2> fyi the 4runner is based of the hilux
[17:41:35] <zeeshan|2> which is as far as top gear is cocnerned
[17:41:40] <zeeshan|2> the most reliable truck of all time
[17:41:41] <zeeshan|2> :)
[17:41:44] <zeeshan|2> im sure youve seen that episode!
[17:41:55] <BeachBumPete> I have seen that episode and it was EPIC
[17:42:04] <zeeshan|2> they tried so hard to blow it up
[17:42:05] <zeeshan|2> haha
[17:42:12] <BeachBumPete> but the truck they tested and the ones they are selling now are completely different vehicles
[17:42:22] <zeeshan|2> like i said
[17:42:24] <zeeshan|2> ive searched a lot
[17:42:30] <zeeshan|2> and 4runner is the most reliable
[17:42:38] <zeeshan|2> which at this point is the most important
[17:42:41] <BeachBumPete> well good luck with it :D
[17:42:43] <zeeshan|2> and second is full-time 4wd
[17:42:46] <zeeshan|2> and third is cost
[17:43:14] <zeeshan|2> part time 4wd isn't going to cut it for me :/
[17:44:20] <mase-tech> I suggest to buy a german car. Like seat ateca
[17:44:59] <mase-tech> An exeption might be the discovery sport
[17:45:49] <zeeshan|2> BeachBumPete: youre right the land cruiser is called j200
[17:45:54] <zeeshan|2> but in canada it comes as the lexus lx
[17:45:58] <zeeshan|2> too much money
[17:46:34] <alex4nder> in canada I'd import a recent-year hilux
[17:46:41] * JT-Shopp thinks it is time to clean the shop
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[17:46:49] <zeeshan|2> alex4nder: its called toyota 4runner here
[17:47:00] <zeeshan|2> in eurpoe its called hilux surf
[17:47:02] <zeeshan|2> its the same car
[17:47:06] <zeeshan|2> from my understanding..
[17:47:08] <alex4nder> zeeshan|2: I mean the old hilux, not the renamed hilux platform they have now
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[17:47:19] <zeeshan|2> wont have warranty
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[17:47:27] <alex4nder> oh, I missed that
[17:47:49] <zeeshan|2> jesus christ
[17:47:53] <zeeshan|2> the lx 470 is 105,000 $
[17:47:57] <zeeshan|2> yea well outside my budget :)
[17:48:07] <BeachBumPete> yup they are proud of them :D
[17:48:22] <zeeshan|2> i want to spend at most 35-36
[17:48:28] <zeeshan|2> and have at least 8 year warranty
[17:48:34] <zeeshan|2> im going to be doing some far trips this year
[17:48:38] <zeeshan|2> and upcoming decade :P
[17:48:42] <BeachBumPete> Get a used defender 90 or 110 :D
[17:48:53] <alex4nder> he wants a warranty
[17:49:00] <zeeshan|2> i think the toyota extended warranty gets you to from 5 to 8 years
[17:49:04] <BeachBumPete> save your money for repair
[17:49:11] <zeeshan|2> no thx
[17:49:17] <zeeshan|2> i learned with the subaru warranty is important
[17:49:24] <zeeshan|2> 3500 tow
[17:49:28] <zeeshan|2> and 5000 in parts so far
[17:49:29] <BeachBumPete> so is capability
[17:49:39] <zeeshan|2> and hours and hours of my time
[17:49:46] <zeeshan|2> never again for my daily driver.
[17:50:12] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/rimvV
[17:50:14] <zeeshan|2> on a bright note
[17:50:16] <zeeshan|2> its almsot done :D
[17:50:43] <BeachBumPete> you could also get a nice 4 door rubicon jeep
[17:50:50] <zeeshan|2> no
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[17:50:54] <zeeshan|2> they're unrelaible
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[17:51:35] <BeachBumPete> if this toyota of yours is so damn good and reliable why are you still talking about it? How come it is not already in your driveway?
[17:51:45] <zeeshan|2> need to trade in the subaru
[17:51:50] <zeeshan|2> to be able to afford it
[17:53:27] <alex4nder> I like buying cars that are so depreciated, that the market won't let them get any cheaper
[17:53:34] <alex4nder> you can determine 'true' reliability/value that way
[17:53:50] <zeeshan|2> thats one thing im happy about the subaru
[17:53:52] <zeeshan|2> they dont depreciate
[17:53:58] <zeeshan|2> the trade in value is 20k right now
[17:54:09] <zeeshan|2> i bought it for 26
[17:54:19] <BeachBumPete> I am thru buying brand new vehicles personally you just loose thousands of dollars on every one of them no matter who makes it.
[17:54:31] <zeeshan|2> gotta buy at least a year old
[17:54:58] <BeachBumPete> nevermind the prices are INSANE on most of them that I would even want
[17:55:00] <zeeshan|2> from my observations on the market value of this suv
[17:55:09] <zeeshan|2> it goes drop 50k to 36 after first year
[17:55:11] <alex4nder> zeeshan|2: what year subaru?
[17:55:23] <zeeshan|2> then stablizes to 30 for the next 4-5 years models
[17:55:31] <zeeshan|2> 2010
[17:55:44] <alex4nder> 2010 with a blown engine is a shame
[17:55:50] <zeeshan|2> at 35000 miles...
[17:55:51] <BeachBumPete> 50k for a damn SUV is just crazy in my view but I am not you...
[17:55:58] <alex4nder> zeeshan|2: what happened?
[17:56:05] <alex4nder> oil pressure?
[17:56:06] <zeeshan|2> too much :P
[17:56:22] <zeeshan|2> alex4nder: its such a bad engine
[17:56:28] <zeeshan|2> that i built it myself, measured everything
[17:56:30] <zeeshan|2> and im still selling it
[17:56:34] <zeeshan|2> does that tell you something?
[17:56:39] <alex4nder> yah, I've never been a fan
[17:56:52] <zeeshan|2> its get a bad oiling design
[17:56:54] <zeeshan|2> i can't fix that
[17:57:04] <zeeshan|2> it might blow at 25000 miles
[17:57:09] <zeeshan|2> or it might blow at 200k miles
[17:57:12] <zeeshan|2> you just dont know
[17:57:27] <zeeshan|2> *get = got
[17:57:57] <zeeshan|2> im almost to the point where i want to take apart the engine and trans of any car i get before i get the car.
[17:57:59] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:58:10] <zeeshan|2> to see how good/bad it is built
[17:58:38] <alex4nder> hah
[17:58:59] <zeeshan|2> i've been driving my beater car for almost 2 months now
[17:59:03] <zeeshan|2> car of shame
[17:59:07] <zeeshan|2> :"(
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[17:59:29] <alex4nder> I bought a 4g63 in my last car, because I figured they had 15 years to get it working right
[17:59:47] <zeeshan|2> mitsubishi is awesome for engines
[17:59:51] <zeeshan|2> but bad for transmission
[18:00:03] <zeeshan|2> my engine had prolly 450-500k km
[18:00:10] <zeeshan|2> but i went thru 2 transmissions during that time
[18:00:18] <zeeshan|2> but luckily they weren't sudden failures
[18:00:23] <zeeshan|2> had time to limp back home and fix
[18:00:33] <alex4nder> zeeshan|2: yah, aisin made the transmission in my car
[18:00:59] <alex4nder> I don't know if that ends up being good or bad
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[18:04:43] <zeeshan|2> alex4nder: what car
[18:05:01] <alex4nder> zeeshan|2: evo 9
[18:05:04] <zeeshan|2> nice!
[18:05:18] <zeeshan|2> i had a 4g64 w/ evo head on it
[18:05:30] <zeeshan|2> evo 8
[18:05:33] <alex4nder> nice
[18:05:42] <zeeshan|2> strong ass engine :D
[18:05:46] <alex4nder> yah, for real
[18:05:52] <alex4nder> I've been happy with that car
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[18:16:32] <robin__> It looks like the "xset s <blah>" procedure has stopped the screen going off
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[18:17:19] <robin__> does anyone know, is that permanent? or do I need to make some random addition to some xconfig file?
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[18:24:55] <gregcnc> hmmm www.ebay.com/itm/291733295238
[18:25:15] <malcom2073> Seems legit
[18:25:17] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: ^^
[18:25:37] <CaptHindsight> I have 2 in each size
[18:26:08] <malcom2073> I like the idea, I may 3d print a couple of them, my t-slot scraper doesn't quite get everything
[18:26:41] <CaptHindsight> really needs a surfactant and a brush
[18:27:11] * JT-Shop needs a small gantry something or other
[18:27:13] <gregcnc> but what color do you get?
[18:27:30] <malcom2073> Do they make brushes made to fit into that space?
[18:27:47] <malcom2073> Or rather, how do you get a brush down in the corners of the t?
[18:27:47] <CaptHindsight> 3d print the brush
[18:27:51] <gregcnc> I think I've seen brushes
[18:28:40] <malcom2073> I need to figure out a better way to stop my bed from rusting
[18:28:57] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: a 4runner with some beefing up of the trans is good
[18:29:23] <CaptHindsight> I just don't like having to rebuild automatics more often than 300K miles or so
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[18:30:15] <CaptHindsight> finding one with a good body can be difficult
[18:30:18] <gregcnc> Boeshield? or the LPS equal maybe LPS3
[18:32:12] <CaptHindsight> somebody needs to invent swarf eating insects
[18:32:34] <malcom2073> Metal eating nanobots
[18:32:37] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: if it can last 200k miles
[18:32:40] <malcom2073> I'm pretty sure there's movies about that somewhere
[18:32:40] <zeeshan|2> id be more than happy!!
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[18:33:25] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: as long as you're not towing or beating it should not be an issue
[18:33:36] <zeeshan|2> i might tow atvs
[18:33:37] <zeeshan|2> w/ it
[18:33:41] <zeeshan|2> not might, i will be
[18:33:54] <zeeshan|2> and some off road trails
[18:34:03] <zeeshan|2> not any of the hardcore rock suff you see on youtube :P
[18:37:35] <CaptHindsight> I use mostly all parts from Toyota from a dealer in NM
[18:37:51] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: you have a 4runner?
[18:38:03] <CaptHindsight> I have land cruisers
[18:38:11] <zeeshan|2> cool
[18:38:24] <CaptHindsight> i got tired of having to fix cars all the time
[18:38:38] <zeeshan|2> same here thats why i got the subaru
[18:38:43] <zeeshan|2> BFM
[18:38:46] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:38:55] <DaViruz> so how's that working out for you
[18:38:56] <CaptHindsight> I drive ~40K miles a year
[18:38:56] <DaViruz> :)
[18:39:10] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: how is the land cruiser working out
[18:39:15] <zeeshan|2> DaViruz: did you see the engine build
[18:39:19] <zeeshan|2> its almost done hooray
[18:39:26] <zeeshan|2> im building a crank pulley tool for it right now
[18:39:50] <DaViruz> i saw the innovative cam sprocket torque setup..
[18:39:50] <DaViruz> :)
[18:39:55] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: never have any issues, just do the regular maintenance
[18:40:37] <CaptHindsight> I pulled the front diff apart last year to rebuild at 250K miles and I just replaced the seals and readjusted it...
[18:40:51] <zeeshan|2> i dont mind that at all CaptHindsight
[18:40:56] <zeeshan|2> as long as im not rebuilding engines every 30k
[18:40:59] <zeeshan|2> !! :D
[18:41:04] <zeeshan|2> DaViruz: haha
[18:41:07] <CaptHindsight> I kept the old bearings in and figure that I'll replace them in another 100K
[18:41:08] <zeeshan|2> a lot of forum people do it
[18:41:11] <zeeshan|2> my touch with the c-clamp
[18:41:13] <zeeshan|2> *was
[18:41:42] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: did you have to drop the entire trans
[18:41:46] <zeeshan|2> to access the front diff?
[18:42:07] <CaptHindsight> I rebuilt the engine at 180K since the only weak spot Mr T did was the head gasket
[18:42:08] <zeeshan|2> im not sure how the transmission arrangement is :P
[18:42:33] <zeeshan|2> 180k miles is a lot of life from an engine
[18:42:36] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: nope, you pull the axles and the diff comes out of the case with 12 bolts
[18:42:38] <zeeshan|2> for me :P
[18:42:43] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: nice
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[18:43:01] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: the improved head gasket design is good for at least 300K
[18:43:11] <zeeshan|2> starts pushing coolant?
[18:43:13] <zeeshan|2> or burning oil
[18:43:43] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: the old design was too thin between the last 2 cylinders
[18:44:09] <CaptHindsight> so it would lose coolant or hydro lock when hot
[18:44:15] <zeeshan|2> ouch
[18:44:23] <zeeshan|2> hopefully they addressed it by 2015
[18:44:34] <CaptHindsight> water --> hot cylinder ---> steam
[18:45:11] <CaptHindsight> the new head gasket has a few extra mm of metal between the cylinders now
[18:45:55] <CaptHindsight> other than that they run pretty much forever, the cylinders use sleeves that come in 3 larger sizes for swaps at 300K miles
[18:46:11] <CaptHindsight> they figure it's a 1 million mile engine
[18:46:46] <CaptHindsight> I could not measure any cylinder wear so I kept the original sleeves
[18:47:09] <alex4nder> which engine model?
[18:48:42] <CaptHindsight> 1FZ-FE
[18:49:21] <CaptHindsight> the head was out maybe 1-2 thou with the bad gasket
[18:50:29] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_FZ_engine
[18:50:57] <alex4nder> cool
[18:51:11] <CaptHindsight> I thought about a cummins diesel swap
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[18:51:23] <CaptHindsight> but I'll probably just add a turbo soon
[18:51:43] <alex4nder> cool
[18:51:49] <CaptHindsight> there is a factory bolt on supercharger
[18:52:38] <zeeshan|2> the 4runner im lookin at has the 2TR-FE engine
[18:52:46] <CaptHindsight> http://forum.ih8mud.com/attachments/img_0769-jpg.496863/
[18:53:02] <zeeshan|2> 5500 rpm redline will be new to me :)
[18:53:53] <zeeshan|2> er wrong code
[18:53:56] * zeeshan|2 noob
[18:54:15] <alex4nder> CaptHindsight: a turbo would be fun
[18:54:26] <alex4nder> and probably a nice efficiency improvement
[18:54:48] <zeeshan|2> 1GR-FE
[18:55:16] <CaptHindsight> https://imagebin.ca/v/2dJ2AMw2qmBE front diff at 250K miles
[18:55:29] <zeeshan|2> Output is 236 hp (176 kW) at 5200 rpm with 266 lb·ft (361 N·m) of torque at 4000 rpm on 87 octane, and 239 hp (178 kW) at 5200 rpm with 278 lb·ft (377 N·m) at 3700 rpm on 91 octane
[18:55:32] <zeeshan|2> interesting
[18:55:44] <zeeshan|2> looks good capt :P
[18:55:58] <CaptHindsight> I was ready for the full rebuild
[18:56:14] <CaptHindsight> but I just readjusted and changed the seals
[18:56:38] <CaptHindsight> I'll peek back in if I hear anything or in 100K
[18:59:54] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: and that was with the front seals leaking all the grease into the case, so the ring and pinion was really only lubed by grease the last 50K or so
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[19:00:28] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:00:49] <zeeshan|2> don't underestimate the power of grease!
[19:01:02] <CaptHindsight> what proper selection of alloy and heat treating can do
[19:06:12] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2:
http://tinyurl.com/z8n9q9x ring gear adjustment is by rotating that splined nut, each spline is .001" movement, no shims!
[19:06:34] <zeeshan|2> wow
[19:06:36] <zeeshan|2> that makes things easier
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[19:16:01] <miss0r> you know what pisses me off? Having to learn a new CAM, because I lack the ability to write a post processor for the cam I know and love.
[19:16:25] <enleth> Got a vice for the bridgeport, a nice 60kg piece of Commie cast iron, didn't even bother to measure it before handing it off to a friend for sandblasting
[19:16:29] <miss0r> that and bad circus clows
[19:16:40] <enleth> 150mm wide or something like that, maybe 160
[19:18:03] <enleth> no, wait, just took a look at some 150mm calipers
[19:18:09] <malcom2073> lol
[19:18:11] <malcom2073> Freedom untis?
[19:18:11] <enleth> must have been 200 across the vice
[19:18:12] <malcom2073> units*
[19:18:15] <malcom2073> Nice
[19:19:12] <enleth> the thing is probably half a century old and a bit battered, some cretin must have drilled into it repeatedly and then repaired it by welding
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[19:19:36] <enleth> but the base is nice and flat and the undamaged part of the top surface indicates nicely
[19:19:49] <enleth> 0.01mm out of level left to right
[19:20:40] <enleth> 0.04 front to back across maximum opened width
[19:20:55] <enleth> could have been some piece of crap stuck under it really
[19:21:32] <enleth> so worst case I'll have it ground a down a little
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[19:22:35] <enleth> *s/ a //
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[19:36:41] <alex4nder> ok, so with 4.1.15-rt18, I'm seeing +/- 28 uS on the servo thread..
[19:36:53] <alex4nder> that's with intel_idle.max_cstate=0 processor.max_cstate=0 idle=poll
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[19:50:48] <pcw_home> Not bad, I first thought the 3205 was like the n2807 but its a Broadwell, more like a dual core 1.5 GHz Haswell
[19:52:34] <alex4nder> pcw_home: they have an i3 and an i5 version of this machine now.. I wonder if it'd make sense to bite the bullet and pugrade
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[19:53:05] <pcw_home> if the GUI speed is acceptable I would not bother
[19:53:13] <alex4nder> ok
[19:53:26] <alex4nder> I'll finish getting the mill setup with this machine, and see how that goes.
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[19:54:38] <pcw_home> almost 3x as fast as the D525 atoms
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[19:55:26] <pcw_home> also 2x the per core cache of the J1800/1900/N28xx series
[19:59:41] <JT-Shop> that the one you linked the other day?
[20:00:50] <pcw_home> no its a different mini pc
[20:01:26] <JT-Shop> well break minute is over back to digging
[20:01:44] <yasnak> well, i placed first in most drunk at the sarasota regatta
[20:02:03] <yasnak> so i got that going for me...which is nice
[20:02:50] <yasnak> i see zeeshan is still crying about his car :P i kidd
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[20:46:00] <Encapsulate> getting closer
[20:46:29] <malcom2073> I don't believe you
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[20:50:16] <Encapsulate> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPKjFHkreLA
[20:50:31] <Encapsulate> need one of these for sure
[20:50:44] <Duc> still lol
[20:54:47] <malcom2073> HEh
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[21:02:02] <XXCoder> bleh
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[21:02:11] <XXCoder> I cant find the dnged o2 sensor fuse anywhere
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[21:08:35] <JT-Shop> I wonder if this really works ok
http://www.amazon.com/SMAKN%C2%AE-Upgraded-Version-Segments-Stepper/dp/B016ZJS1FA/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1460322460&sr=8-7&keywords=stepper+driver
[21:09:42] <Jymmm> No mention of midband compensation
[21:09:58] <JT-Shop> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CWMR23G?psc=1
[21:10:28] <JT-Shop> a TB6600 for $17 with free shipping
[21:12:02] <JT-Shop> is the tb6600 the newer one?
[21:12:39] <malcom2073> iirc, the 6600's don't have midband compensation
[21:12:39] <CaptHindsight> yes
[21:12:53] <malcom2073> and yeah the 6600 is the newer one, 6560 is the older
[21:13:30] <CaptHindsight> $17 sounds low, I wonder if they skimp on parts
[21:13:36] <ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/TB6600-Stepper-Driver-Controller-Micro-Step/dp/B01CWMR1JG/
[21:13:39] <ReadError> even cheaper lol
[21:13:41] <zeeshan|2> zeeshan 1 subaru 0
http://imgur.com/a/OaqUx
[21:13:42] <zeeshan|2> :D
[21:13:42] <ReadError> 13.18$
[21:14:24] <JT-Shop> found one for $15 on amazon prime with 2 day shipping
[21:14:33] <JT-Shop> I think I'll splurge lol
[21:14:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/SainSmart-TB6600-Micro-Stepping-Stepper-Driver/dp/B00MQGSLNE vs $30
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[21:16:40] <JT-Shop> http://www.amazon.com/SMAKN%C2%AE-Upgraded-Version-Segments-Stepper/dp/B016ZJS1FA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460322986&sr=8-1&keywords=tb6600&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011
[21:16:45] <JT-Shop> same one $15
[21:17:16] <XXCoder> not bad
[21:17:27] <JT-Shop> no, they are different
[21:18:25] <JT-Shop> I just want to play with them not make a real anything, I have a hand full of nema 17's just need some drives
[21:18:57] <malcom2073> They're good for simple stuff
[21:19:34] <malcom2073> You'll often have to add a dampner to a screw depending on if the resonance decideds to bite you if you spin it too fast
[21:20:19] <malcom2073> dampener*
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[21:32:33] <Deejay> gn8
[21:32:37] <Roguish> oh joy. just filed the taxes.......
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[21:33:32] <JT-Shop> I'm still catching up my books lol
[21:33:50] <SWPLinux> JT-Shop: from which year?
[21:33:59] <Roguish> guess ya got until the 18th this year.
[21:34:31] <Roguish> just about broke even. only paying about a grand.
[21:34:39] <JT-Shop> last year lol
[21:34:56] <JT-Shop> I have 3 more months to put in slowbooks
[21:35:26] <Roguish> that's a good one.......
[21:35:26] <Duc> yea we also owe about a grand. was getting back about 6grand till I entered the wifes paystub
[21:35:28] <SWPLinux> I'm still working on (or at least thinking about working on) 2014. sigh.
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[21:35:39] <Roguish> SWP very good to see you again.....
[21:35:52] <JT-Shop> I'd be happy to pay a lot of taxes
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[21:36:12] <JT-Shop> it's been a long time since I did
[21:36:31] <Roguish> JT i completely agree. I don't understand people bitching about paying lots of taxes.
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[21:36:52] <Duc> yea yea
[21:36:58] <Roguish> I just would like to get better value for my money.....
[21:36:59] <Duc> wish I was rich
[21:37:00] <JT-Shop> you know what I mean then :)
[21:37:27] <JT-Shop> well that is a different story and I don't thing that will ever happen
[21:37:33] <SWPLinux> hi Roguish, thanks, it's been a while.
[21:38:17] <Roguish> JT-Shop: got a new job a few weeks ago. www.cvmcvm.com
[21:38:38] <Roguish> small custom machines and stuff.
[21:39:40] <JT-Shop> cool
[21:40:05] <JT-Shop> ohh they build some neat stuff
[21:40:47] <Roguish> yeah.. working on some fast food automation now. that's what happens when the min wage goes up.
[21:41:20] <JT-Shop> automatic burger flipper?
[21:41:55] <Roguish> kinda sorta. trying to put a lot of lower wage people out of work.
[21:42:15] <BitEvil> It's pretty irrelevant to min wage
[21:42:31] <JT-Shop> I designed and built 3 of these
http://gnipsel.com/images/Briggs/Tab%20Grinder%20Automatic.JPG
[21:42:34] <BitEvil> it's getting way, way cheaper to automate stuff with the crashing price of electronics, ease of open vision/... stacks, ...
[21:43:36] <JT-Shop> grinds the compression release for a briggs motor in <3 second cycle time to +-0.0005" tolerance
[21:43:43] <Duc> Roguish: would you be working out of San Fran
[21:43:44] <JT-Shop> compression release tab
[21:44:04] <Roguish> see this:
https://www.eatsa.com/ the front of the place is totally automated. now they're trying to automate the food prep side.
[21:44:13] <Roguish> Duc: yeah. East Bay
[21:44:21] <Duc> Roguish: brother in law interview for a job doing something like that
[21:44:33] <Roguish> there
[21:44:50] <Roguish> there's is a fair bit of it around.
[21:44:58] <Duc> Not sure which place it was. There was NDA in place so he couldnt say much
[21:45:41] <Roguish> cost of living is so high here, it's actually kinda hard to get low wage workers. a vicious circle. costs up, wages us, costs up, and on and on.....
[21:46:06] <Duc> yea even as a engineer they would have to pay him 200k to meet his current level of living
[21:46:09] <Roguish> https://www.eatsa.com/careers
[21:46:20] <Roguish> look at the bottom of the page.
[21:47:13] <Duc> still not sure why company want to be based out of there
[21:47:18] <Roguish> we just did a traveling pizza oven setup...
[21:47:30] <Duc> nice
[21:47:35] <Duc> fully automated?
[21:47:46] <enleth> can't decide what color to paint the vise - something utilitarian like grey, or something outlandish like pink, blaze orange or Windows 98 desktop teal
[21:47:53] <Roguish> and tons of lab equipment for Clorox which is just around the corner.
[21:48:49] <Roguish> Clorox makes tons of brands. not just bleach.
[21:49:56] <Duc> I wish i could have the funds to automate our assembly lines
[21:50:13] <JT-Shop> what do you assemble
[21:50:38] <Duc> firearms
[21:51:03] <Roguish> OH, like Eli Whitney?
[21:51:18] <JT-Shop> modern or black powder?
[21:51:51] <Duc> modern
[21:52:05] <Duc> rifles, pistols, ar15
[21:52:47] <Roguish> it's all a matter of cost and time. (like most things in life)
[21:53:29] <JT-Shop> time for me to prep the grill
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[21:53:48] <Roguish> go man go.
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[21:53:59] <Duc> Yep. I was lucky to get money for PLC, Atlas copcos and custom fixtures still 500,000+
[21:54:17] <JT-Shop> cut down a small black cherry tree the other day so some good smoking wood there
[21:55:19] <yasnak> hey
[21:55:38] <yasnak> zeeshan nice job
[21:55:56] <yasnak> gotta love those duct tape jobs haha. especially when duct tape isn't used.
[21:57:38] <djdelorie> amusingly enough, the only job duck tape isn't legally allowed for is ducts...
[21:58:45] <enleth> djdelorie: get some Nashua 357, it's certified for use at the ISS
[22:00:13] <djdelorie> yeah but it all started with Duck brand tape, which isn't plenum-rated so you can't use it on ducts
[22:00:47] <djdelorie> it got its name because it was water repellent, for outdoor use
[22:03:42] <yasnak> ahhhhh
[22:03:48] <yasnak> Duck = Duct
[22:04:00] <yasnak> I blame it on the lemonade, I promise :P
[22:05:43] <yasnak> I forgot what my go-to tape is. Its like duck/duct-tape on roids. I used it back when I had a sailboat and needed something to keep water out of the gap between the mast and the boot.
[22:10:06] <alex4nder> hmm, I can't ping my 7i76e for some reason.. this worked last time I was messing with this.
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[22:14:10] <JT-Shop> got the address correct?
[22:14:22] <JT-Shop> plugged into the correct port?
[22:14:27] <alex4nder> yup
[22:14:37] <JT-Shop> ping with mesaflash?
[22:15:01] <alex4nder> I'm going to try that right now
[22:15:37] <JT-Shop> is your address set to static?
[22:16:00] <alex4nder> yup
[22:16:36] <alex4nder> where should I grab mesaflash from? github.com/micges/mesaflash?
[22:16:43] <JT-Shop> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15749702/
[22:17:04] <alex4nder> thanks
[22:17:04] <JT-Shop> sudo apt-get -y install mesaflash
[22:17:16] <alex4nder> I'm using Debian testing
[22:17:20] <JT-Shop> the notes should be the same for the 7i76e
[22:17:21] <alex4nder> with my own build
[22:18:13] <JT-Shop> rt-preempt?
[22:18:25] <alex4nder> yah
[22:18:43] <XXCoder> sudo make me a sandwinch
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[22:22:40] <alex4nder> ok, I'll shut this down and take a look at it later.
[22:22:43] <alex4nder> JT-Shop: thanks for the suggestions
[22:25:45] <XXCoder> bah no sandwinch
[22:25:49] <XXCoder> heh
[22:25:54] <XXCoder> gonna love xkcd
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[22:44:31] <yasnak> http://imgur.com/a/SrYwP
[22:45:11] <yasnak> any ideas? need ideas before I go ahead and take this thing apart only to find there was an easier solution. this is more engineering then machinist related haha.
[22:45:56] <Duc> you looking to fix the tilt?
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[22:51:45] <yasnak> yes
[22:51:49] <yasnak> sorry for delay
[22:52:12] <Duc> can you hold it horizontal?
[22:52:56] <Duc> or can you force it back to being correct?
[22:53:23] <yasnak> As in you think the set screw is stripped?
[22:53:32] <Duc> yea
[22:53:48] <Duc> or the threads in the collar are
[22:53:52] <yasnak> I haven't tried. These are half mil machines haha, that said it probably would and is my guess as well. Not really sure how to fix this without some good sized repair
[22:54:23] <Duc> does the machine run? or Im guessing your trying to fix before people find out?
[22:54:39] <yasnak> Yeah and it seems like the set screw actually shoved the flange piece on the control side up so I'm guessing an operator tried putting it in haha
[22:55:11] <yasnak> Oh yeah it runs, it runs 24/7 besides now. Down for coolant change and realignment. Ended up trying to get this done before someone hangs on it and rips the entire control off
[22:55:48] <Duc> hard lock it in place some how but you will probably need the rep in to replace the part
[22:56:08] <Duc> a operator will hang off it or someone will place their elbow on it
[22:56:13] <yasnak> Yep
[22:56:37] <yasnak> I have a "larger" setup guy who basically drove me nuts friday. Told myself I'd fix this ASAP after watching him
[22:57:03] <Duc> Ive seen what our operators do so I always expect the worse
[22:57:03] <yasnak> Yeah, rep. Heh. Star is fun with that stuff. Not even sure they're still in business :P
[22:57:25] <Duc> I would back up the paramenters before anyone works on it
[22:58:09] <yasnak> I hear you man, its amazing sometimes. Just when I thought I've seen it all you've got some guy who forgets to take the guidebushing adjustment wrench our of the back and blows the keyway and guidebushing up. That was last weekend :P
[22:58:56] <yasnak> Yeah my thoughts exactly. I'll probably get that done tonight and see what/who I can get ahold of at star tomorrow. Its just not worth running it this way, that control is barely hanging there. Its worse then it looks
[22:59:09] <Duc> yea we had a guy crush a 25k rotary table not a week after shearing the spindle keys off.
[22:59:33] <Duc> even if it means a metal strap and metal screws
[23:00:06] <yasnak> jesus
[23:00:13] <yasnak> he still working there? :P
[23:00:40] <Duc> hell no but that poor Koma rotary
[23:01:58] <Duc> what kind of parts do the machines make
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[23:13:43] <Nick001> <pcw_home> you around?
[23:14:17] <yasnak> the machines make anything from pins to polyaxial screws
[23:16:41] <yasnak> these are the opposable gang 11 axis machines so they're mostly dedicated to the more complex parts. anything 4axis that can be made from bar/square stock. we have a b-axis'd machine for 5-axis then some less complex machines for less complex parts. as well as vertical, horizontal, 5 axis mills with pallet changer and your normal lathes. edm and laser. its all fun.
[23:20:50] <Duc> sounds like loads. we have a ton of 3axis mills, multi-axis lathes and a few 11 axis lathes
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[23:37:40] <pink_vampire> my cnc computer die
[23:38:03] <malcom2073> Whups
[23:38:04] <pink_vampire> "thermal event"
[23:38:57] <pink_vampire> hope the machine will be ok soon
[23:40:33] <mase-tech> what are u guys producing ?
[23:42:17] <enleth> >00:59 < Duc> yea we had a guy crush a 25k rotary table not a week after shearing the spindle keys off.
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[23:42:42] <enleth> how in the fuck does one *crush* a rotary table?
[23:43:21] <_methods> i had a guy crack a lathe turret on night
[23:43:33] <_methods> you'd be amazed what "operators" can pull off
[23:43:57] <enleth> cracking something, ok, I can understand
[23:44:13] <enleth> but to "crush" implies turning it a notch higher than that
[23:45:08] <CaptHindsight> rapids in Z with 10" vs 1" as input
[23:45:54] <enleth> I just had a rather small rotary table arrive today, it's maybe 40cm in diameter, had to get three other people to carry it
[23:45:56] <Valen> I'd love to see something like a kinect attached to the head, and give it the ability to stop if its going to rapid / move too fast through something
[23:46:13] <CaptHindsight> I've bought bargain lathes with the keys in the gears sheared right off
[23:46:36] <CaptHindsight> glad that the designers made the keys the weakest point
[23:46:58] <CaptHindsight> easy $1 fix and a couple hours labor
[23:47:12] <enleth> I'm pretty sure if I had my mill plunge right into that, it would just rip apart the Z transmission and maybe scratch up that table a little bit
[23:47:28] <enleth> actually it would trip the servo overload sensors, to be honest
[23:47:35] <enleth> but assuming those wouldn't react
[23:47:55] <Valen> we have fuses in the servo lines on ours ;->
[23:48:04] <Valen> blown them a few times...
[23:48:15] <Valen> mostly when tuning and getting oscilation though
[23:48:38] <CaptHindsight> the worst I've done is bent end mills
[23:48:49] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight:
[23:48:51] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/OaqUx
[23:48:54] <zeeshan|2> all that work to tighten one bolt
[23:48:55] <CaptHindsight> forget to raise the Z enough to clear
[23:48:55] <zeeshan|2> ;]
[23:48:59] <enleth> I'm lucky to have resettable, adjustable overload switches in there
[23:49:03] <enleth> with aux contacts too
[23:50:03] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: looks good, I fab my own tools as well for diffs and transmissions
[23:50:14] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[23:50:47] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: is that a Craftsman digital torque wrench?
[23:51:02] <enleth> CaptHindsight: I started to train some other people to use my mill lately, and apart from the obvious stuff, one thing I'm most worried about is someone homing it after a power cycle with a too long tool chucked and a too tall stuff bolted to the table right in the homing path
[23:51:13] <zeeshan|2> overpriced on
[23:51:25] <CaptHindsight> now I see the logo
[23:51:55] <zeeshan|2> i used the torque then angle mode on it
[23:52:04] <zeeshan|2> it actually told me the final torque put on the fastener
[23:52:39] <zeeshan|2> 34.7ft-lb then 60 degree
[23:52:42] <zeeshan|2> works out to 158 ft-lb
[23:52:56] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: you go farther than I do, I'll weld plate to bar and then use bolts
[23:53:23] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: did you press those pins in?
[23:53:31] <zeeshan|2> ya
[23:53:35] <zeeshan|2> then tacked them just incase
[23:53:40] <zeeshan|2> its just 1/2" round bar
[23:53:43] <CaptHindsight> you could sell that tool :)
[23:54:04] <zeeshan|2> gonna throw it in the window of subaru hq -- jk
[23:54:06] <zeeshan|2> :)
[23:54:15] <CaptHindsight> yeah!
[23:54:24] <Duc> enleth: drive the Z carriage into the rotary
[23:54:53] <zeeshan|2> enleth
[23:54:57] <zeeshan|2> do you have an atc on the mill
[23:56:25] <Duc> enleth: stop mid program then jog machine around and start program mid cycle so it has no clue where it is
[23:57:42] <enleth> zeeshan|2: nope
[23:59:18] <enleth> Duc: I was more interested in the machine weight to rotary weight ratio, if the end result was the rotary getting totally ruined
[23:59:32] <zeeshan|2> maybe you could customize linuxcnc
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[23:59:37] <zeeshan|2> that a certain tool has to be loaded before homing
