#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-04-09

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[00:01:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160408-3d-cocooner-spins-nature-inspired-fiberglass-stuctures-in-mid-air.html
[00:01:33] <CaptHindsight> actually made by Festo
[00:02:38] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QCOTisgIHQ
[00:03:26] <CaptHindsight> CF + photopolymer for the win
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[00:10:59] <Ralith> pretty ugly output
[00:11:17] <Ralith> and aren't photopolymers super expensive?
[00:12:10] <CaptHindsight> nope
[00:12:15] <Ralith> when did that change
[00:12:25] <CaptHindsight> it just needs a tighter weave
[00:12:33] <CaptHindsight> years ago
[00:12:56] <Ralith> I imagine if they thought a tighter weave was straightforward they would have gotten one before publishing
[00:13:16] <CaptHindsight> might not be for them
[00:13:38] <CaptHindsight> that might be the cutting edge of their ingenuity
[00:13:52] <Ralith> so "just" is a bit optimistic
[00:14:02] <CaptHindsight> for them maybe
[00:14:17] <Ralith> do you have good reason to believe someone else would have a much easier time
[00:14:34] <Ralith> still, interesting research direction
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[00:14:46] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I've been working in this field for quite some time
[00:14:52] <pink_vampire> morning
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[00:15:44] <Ralith> well, I eagerly await someone building a machine that can actually print that big chair they've rendered
[00:15:56] <CaptHindsight> it was just a video that shows how to do it very clearly since the weave was so large
[00:16:01] <Ralith> presuming it's structurally sound under the proposed method and not just a pretty picture
[00:16:20] <CaptHindsight> that chair is easy
[00:16:42] <Ralith> has it been done?
[00:16:48] <CaptHindsight> you can use paper and leave spaces that large
[00:17:19] <CaptHindsight> extrapolate using a better robot
[00:17:27] <CaptHindsight> not really a stretch
[00:17:46] <Ralith> then I shall expect to be happily surprised by a demo in the near future
[00:17:54] <CaptHindsight> ever see a robot ties knots with string?
[00:18:21] <CaptHindsight> not sure of the patents
[00:19:05] <CaptHindsight> have to search prepreg fiber weaving robots
[00:19:56] <CaptHindsight> spiders don't count I guess
[00:20:07] <Ralith> can't sit on a spiderweb
[00:20:53] <CaptHindsight> think real hard, and scale it up
[00:21:07] <Encapsulation> Loetmichel2, maxcnc is suggesting I should build that machine perhaps, for $1200
[00:21:27] <malcom2073> Encapsulation: You could, but the real cost is in the 4 machines you have to build and learn from your mistakes before youdo it right
[00:21:29] <CaptHindsight> spider silk is how many times stronger than steel?
[00:21:47] <CaptHindsight> tensile modulus
[00:22:00] <Ralith> I'm sure it's physically possible to construct such a thing; I'm waiting to see someone build a machine that can actually do it
[00:22:02] <Encapsulation> Spider dragline silk has a tensile strength of roughly 1.3 GPa. The tensile strength listed for steel might be slightly higher—e.g. 1.65 GPa, but spider silk is a much less dense material, so that a given weight of spider silk is five times as strong as the same weight of steel.
[00:22:08] <CaptHindsight> and it's an organic polymer
[00:22:32] <CaptHindsight> bio-organic
[00:23:01] <CaptHindsight> I'll build you one for $250K in a few months
[00:23:14] <CaptHindsight> what size chairs do you want?
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[00:24:39] <Ralith> waiting to see, not funding :p
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[01:01:40] <jdh> building one yourself is an excellent way to discover many things that don't work. very useful experience
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[01:02:10] <malcom2073> It is
[01:02:29] <_methods> kickstarter
[01:02:56] <_methods> spider silk factory
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[01:14:32] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: learn from the mistakes and success of others vs reinvent the wheel
[01:15:16] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Education is expensive, much better to do it on someone elses dime
[01:15:39] <CaptHindsight> shut up and listen is pretty low budget
[01:16:01] <CaptHindsight> ask someone with experience
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[01:17:19] <gregcnc> capt are you launching a kickstarter for organic spider web chairs?
[01:18:20] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: it can pay for ALL of em. with charge left over to house everyone and give basic income
[01:19:19] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: early market research said that spiders don't sit much, now spider shoes, that could be a big winner
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[01:23:04] <gregcnc> an octect of shoes per sale does sound profitable
[01:23:20] <XXCoder> now to find what people can make such tiny shoes.
[01:24:02] <CaptHindsight> easier for children
[01:24:08] <CaptHindsight> small fingers and all
[01:24:19] <CaptHindsight> https://sites.psu.edu/eseminar/2014/03/10/the-medical-field-using-spider-silk-now/
[01:24:25] <XXCoder> what aboutn pesky child labor laws
[01:25:15] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/66QUEnkk4L0?t=1m40s Smart Material Spider Silk
[01:25:39] <CaptHindsight> build a tall enough wall and nobody will notice
[01:25:48] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: ^^
[01:25:53] <XXCoder> heh
[01:25:59] <XXCoder> Trump would love that
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[01:26:07] <XXCoder> make people outside wall pay for it too
[01:26:13] <CaptHindsight> walls solve most problems
[01:26:37] <CaptHindsight> keeps insides from outsides
[01:28:10] <CaptHindsight> keep robots from attacking old people
[01:28:20] <CaptHindsight> except for the wall climbing robots
[01:32:45] <XXCoder> old man yell at cloud
[01:34:58] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO_yWKGL8KI 1980 Web Spinning Spiderman
[01:36:57] <XXCoder> wow
[01:37:10] <XXCoder> interesting, wonder how they did that
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[02:15:07] <Encapsulation> www.altavista.com
[02:26:23] <pink_vampire> http://cheezburger.com/8764605440/hats-trolling-parenting-what-hats-were-made-to-keep-babies-warm?ref=whatspopularvotes
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[05:22:06] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: lol
[05:24:05] <pink_vampire> brb
[05:24:08] <pink_vampire> one sec
[05:29:15] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: black
[05:29:18] <pink_vampire> back*
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[05:30:10] <XXCoder> that baby hat is funny
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[05:31:43] <pink_vampire> I want kids now..
[05:32:33] <XXCoder> just be sure its not just to have fad stuff
[05:32:49] <XXCoder> but then there is kids convived under worse reasons.
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[05:47:00] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: http://i.imgur.com/JcSEZtN.png
[05:47:13] <pink_vampire> I need help with making this part.
[05:47:23] <XXCoder> thankfully that has flat sides
[05:47:40] <XXCoder> you could build a fixture to hold part for side holes
[05:48:02] <XXCoder> funnel part dunno, do you have lathe?
[05:48:08] <pink_vampire> no
[05:48:13] <pink_vampire> just 3 axis machine
[05:48:24] <pink_vampire> and it is very small.
[05:48:35] <pink_vampire> top to bottom 8.2mm
[05:48:46] <pink_vampire> diameter 8mm
[05:50:00] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^^
[05:50:23] <XXCoder> you pretty much have to make fixure for it
[05:50:32] <pink_vampire> the holes on the sides are 1.27mm diameter
[05:50:52] <pink_vampire> i need to make them for press fit
[05:51:32] <XXCoder> geez that job sounds hard heh
[05:51:49] <XXCoder> it'd be MUCH easier if you had a lathe that has milling tools
[05:52:44] <pink_vampire> i'm thinking about using 3d machining
[05:52:53] <pink_vampire> and the probe
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[05:54:07] <pink_vampire> hopefully it will give me 0.02mm of error maximum
[05:54:16] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:54:18] <XXCoder> good luck
[05:54:28] <pink_vampire> do you want the file
[05:54:45] <pink_vampire> to for making one for yourself?
[05:55:16] <XXCoder> no thanks, dont have any suitable file for that
[05:55:19] <XXCoder> *machine
[05:55:35] <pink_vampire> and I'm thinking about make it from the O2 steel.
[05:55:48] <pink_vampire> what do you think?
[05:56:14] <pink_vampire> http://www.westyorkssteel.com/tool-steel/o2/
[05:56:20] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[05:56:55] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:57:24] <pink_vampire> the first one I'm going to do in brass
[05:58:00] <pink_vampire> just to feel how it work.
[05:58:39] <XXCoder> brass probably cheap to test on too?
[05:59:06] <pink_vampire> and if it will be easy enough and work good maybe I will make one from O2
[05:59:24] <pink_vampire> I can use the brass part.
[05:59:44] <pink_vampire> it's need to hold few grams.
[06:03:42] <XXCoder> suck a strange part.
[06:03:47] <XXCoder> *such
[06:08:14] <pink_vampire> I know..
[06:09:19] <pink_vampire> I design it.
[06:09:51] <XXCoder> lemme guess, its secret? heh
[06:09:56] <pink_vampire> no
[06:12:27] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: http://i.imgur.com/UBiyjXt.png
[06:12:32] <pink_vampire> O2 steel
[06:12:46] <pink_vampire> look at the finish - AS machined!
[06:13:02] <XXCoder> not bad yeah
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[06:13:14] <pink_vampire> almost mirror!
[06:13:29] <pink_vampire> I was impressed.
[06:13:45] <XXCoder> I have seen better, but then ya know, I use expensive machines
[06:13:53] <pink_vampire> and it one of the hardest steel.!
[06:13:54] <XXCoder> and I have seen crappier
[06:14:03] <XXCoder> yours is quite decent finish
[06:14:18] <XXCoder> you just need oilstone and it can have mirror finisg
[06:14:36] <pink_vampire> I want it accurate
[06:14:39] <XXCoder> my machine cant touch that metal lol too hard
[06:14:42] <pink_vampire> and parallel
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[06:14:56] <pink_vampire> I can't file it.
[06:14:57] <XXCoder> ah yeah sanding would alter that
[06:15:22] <XXCoder> there is proper methods like grinding but I never used grinder so I has no idea
[06:15:23] <pink_vampire> is so cuuuute V block.
[06:15:39] <pink_vampire> I soo like him
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[06:15:59] <pink_vampire> 1/2"X1/2" X1"
[06:16:03] <pink_vampire> cuuute
[06:16:21] <maxcnc> Morning From Germany a hard day will start g-code for all 8 mashines ready to be processed
[06:16:46] <pink_vampire> maxcnc: hi
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[06:17:01] <pink_vampire> maxcnc: http://i.imgur.com/UBiyjXt.png
[06:17:07] <maxcnc> http://landauer-weihnachtscircus-gmbh.de/mini_cnc.jpg
[06:17:27] <pink_vampire> nice machine
[06:17:29] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: well I got a idea for you
[06:17:31] <maxcnc> the slot in the V is not depth enoph
[06:17:53] <pink_vampire> it's 0.5mm
[06:17:53] <maxcnc> pink_vampire: and i recomend a round shape slot cutter Ball
[06:17:58] <XXCoder> make round stock, then make bottom hole and tap it
[06:18:07] <XXCoder> turn it around, tighten on fixture
[06:18:23] <maxcnc> Bottem Hole is best to come up
[06:18:23] <XXCoder> machine can then cut nut sides and that taper shape thingy
[06:18:26] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: that nice
[06:18:47] <maxcnc> Encapsulation: its up to you
[06:19:02] <XXCoder> maxcnc: how rigid is that machine? is that steel being cut?
[06:19:20] <maxcnc> coaded alu
[06:19:26] <XXCoder> coaded?
[06:20:42] <pink_vampire> the hole for the tapping have to be concentric with the hex.
[06:20:56] <pink_vampire> the top part it's not very important
[06:21:04] <XXCoder> indeed that is why method I outlined is pretty strightforward
[06:21:26] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking about cutting is up side down
[06:21:27] <XXCoder> just find xy around the screw down fixture and it will be close to tolence
[06:21:44] <pink_vampire> then to flip is and do the top
[06:21:57] <pink_vampire> then to open the sides
[06:22:02] <maxcnc> XXCoder: its aluminium with a powder color on it
[06:22:08] <XXCoder> ahh
[06:22:11] <maxcnc> the frame is 30x30mm
[06:22:25] <XXCoder> 3 cm by 3 cm?
[06:22:29] <XXCoder> that is tiny
[06:22:30] <maxcnc> yes
[06:22:41] <pink_vampire> 30cm?
[06:22:44] <maxcnc> the whole mashine is 200x200x250mm
[06:23:04] <pink_vampire> cute,
[06:23:06] <maxcnc> lok at the DB25 con to the right
[06:23:10] <XXCoder> yeah wow tiny
[06:23:25] <XXCoder> my machine work area is larger than your entire machine
[06:23:28] <pink_vampire> but your Z axis is nice
[06:23:53] <maxcnc> its the best double rail cross
[06:23:53] <XXCoder> but then its great for small parts
[06:24:02] <pink_vampire> my s 45x17
[06:24:05] <pink_vampire> Z30
[06:24:07] <pink_vampire> cm
[06:24:12] <maxcnc> workes only for less then 60mm
[06:24:39] <maxcnc> http://bossert-veranstaltungsservice.de/ENC2.mpg
[06:24:43] <pink_vampire> why did you go with the round rails?
[06:24:48] <maxcnc> going to build this one today
[06:24:59] <maxcnc> frame is 60x60mm Alu
[06:25:19] <maxcnc> workarea 780x780x280mm
[06:25:24] <pink_vampire> how did you make the animation?
[06:25:32] <maxcnc> its heeks art
[06:25:53] <pink_vampire> ok..
[06:26:12] <maxcnc> but Fusion360 got also the plugin
[06:26:21] <pink_vampire> it's much better to go with the H rails
[06:26:33] <maxcnc> simply move the part to frameset
[06:26:43] <pink_vampire> the round rails has some flex.
[06:26:44] <maxcnc> and stack the frameset to the axes
[06:27:08] <maxcnc> then animate the axes
[06:27:17] <maxcnc> ok
[06:27:22] <maxcnc> i need to start
[06:27:32] <maxcnc> till afternoon
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[06:50:32] <CaptHindsight> was ist los?
[06:50:55] <pink_vampire> ??
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[06:55:14] <Deejay> moin
[06:57:37] <CaptHindsight> der Hund ist lose
[06:57:50] <Deejay> the dog is loose?
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[06:58:03] <Deejay> beware of the dog!
[06:58:33] <Deejay> Der will nur spielen! ;)
[07:00:20] <CaptHindsight> Mein Hund hat keine Nase, aber er immer noch riecht
[07:00:29] <CaptHindsight> terrible
[07:01:07] <Deejay> hrhr
[07:04:13] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1RFkxxRuvs&nohtml5=False
[07:05:45] <pink_vampire> my finish look like junk now.
[07:06:16] <XXCoder> there is always some machine better than yours
[07:06:32] <XXCoder> what matter is that your machine can do decent jobs
[07:07:35] <CaptHindsight> nah, omce you get away from open source projects the machines are great but the software sucks
[07:08:21] <CaptHindsight> unfortunately Linux attracts cheapskates vs perfectionists
[07:09:23] <XXCoder> one awesome thing about open source is that if there is some advance of software
[07:09:26] <XXCoder> it stays around.
[07:09:37] <XXCoder> closedware source constantly gets lost
[07:09:44] <archivist> professional cheapskate=more profit :)
[07:11:40] <CaptHindsight> then the corporatists get involved and things like the current Ubuntu are everywhere
[07:12:11] <CaptHindsight> archivist: for the few and far between
[07:12:39] <archivist> I wish I had some of the profit
[07:13:10] <XXCoder> there will never be a perfect system
[07:14:33] <CaptHindsight> archivist: how often does someone pay you or even acknowledge your good advice?
[07:16:39] <CaptHindsight> bbl
[07:17:00] <archivist> rarely
[07:17:25] <evil_ren> archivist: i <3 you
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[08:20:22] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/VQLVLMW autonomous waterjet
[08:29:33] <XXCoder> hm
[08:29:38] <XXCoder> psi way too low
[08:29:44] <XXCoder> I see bunch design flaws
[08:29:49] <XXCoder> alpha design I guess.
[08:33:55] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: thanks, that was fun gif heh
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[10:42:12] <pink_vampire> hex done.
[10:42:29] <XXCoder> just clamped and ran tool arounbd making hex?
[10:42:33] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/uxD3ICd.png
[10:42:40] <XXCoder> just curious on your milling process of that part
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[10:43:03] <XXCoder> ooks like you made a hole and bolted it down
[10:43:09] <XXCoder> then made it a hex?
[10:45:35] <pink_vampire> I've used the small V block that I made to hold the round stock, then i did, face, hex, chamfer (same code and tool), then back to x0 y0, replace to 1/16" tool, and drilling the hole
[10:46:24] <XXCoder> it was orginially longer rod?
[10:46:30] <pink_vampire> yes
[10:46:36] <XXCoder> makes sense.
[10:46:36] <pink_vampire> 1' long
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[10:47:53] <XXCoder> so basically v block was sideways holding rod upwards
[10:48:00] <XXCoder> vice?
[10:48:14] <pink_vampire> one sec I will show you pic
[10:48:22] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/INVKcIf.png
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[10:48:39] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[10:48:44] <XXCoder> nice
[10:48:59] <XXCoder> I have yet to figure how to clamp my parts, up to point
[10:49:12] <XXCoder> probably double tapes for easy cut stuff
[10:49:38] <XXCoder> I have some slot nuts as well as threads nuts to clamp wood surface down to act as surficial surface
[10:49:45] <pink_vampire> now I'm going to make the 1.27mm holes on the sides (scary)
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[10:50:21] <pink_vampire> the 1/32" end mill is sooo fragile,
[10:50:41] <XXCoder> heh yeah very frigile
[10:50:46] <pink_vampire> and I need to make a hole with it
[10:50:50] <XXCoder> blow on it wrong and it breaks
[10:51:06] <pink_vampire> and brass like to grab tools and kill them
[10:51:18] <XXCoder> too bad there is no smaller drill in order to make em easier to mill hole.
[10:51:41] <pink_vampire> maybe to drill it first..
[10:51:59] <pink_vampire> then just to make it bigger with the end mill
[10:52:07] <XXCoder> thats usually better way yeah
[10:52:15] <minibnz> pink dont drill it first.. it will grab and snap instantly..
[10:52:29] <XXCoder> though I have no experence with brass
[10:52:35] <minibnz> you need to use high revs and slow z feed rate..
[10:52:49] <pink_vampire> 1000 rpm max..
[10:53:02] <XXCoder> very slow z it is
[10:53:03] <pink_vampire> what feed rate on the X Y?
[10:53:19] <pink_vampire> 1mm/m?
[10:53:20] <minibnz> and use something to lubricate it. wd40 is ok but something thicker is better.
[10:53:38] <pink_vampire> cutting oil?
[10:53:58] <pink_vampire> it's 1/32" carabide tool 4 flute
[10:54:43] <minibnz> for the tiny stuff i use differential oil, (stuff from cars) its thick and will stick to the cutter better at the high revs. 1000rpm would be the slowest
[10:55:09] <minibnz> hmm for carbide you can simply use compressed air to cool the cutter if you have a compressor
[10:55:40] <pink_vampire> I don't have a compressor.
[10:55:53] <minibnz> i only use HSS for the moment.. once i know what i am doing i will start to use carbide they cost too much to snap learning things :)
[10:56:05] <pink_vampire> it's going to be 2 mm deep
[10:56:29] <pink_vampire> that one is made in usa..
[10:56:34] <pink_vampire> expensive
[10:56:36] <pink_vampire> :(
[10:56:43] <minibnz> 0.5mm deep cuts 1000rpm 1mm/m should be fine.
[10:57:32] <minibnz> wd40 is ok if you have nothing else but you need to keep applying it as it wont stick to the cutter where it needs to be to work
[10:57:36] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking about 0.05 5mm/min
[10:58:17] <minibnz> see things like this is where i love my handles :) i can adjust the feed speed as i go :)
[10:58:36] <minibnz> then if i need to make more i can program them after the first one :)
[10:58:59] <pink_vampire> I think to blow the chips out will be better then make them stick
[10:59:08] <pink_vampire> I can do it also..
[10:59:21] <minibnz> i have 1.0mm endmills and 2mm ball cutter and endmill i got in packs of 10 for $10au HSS
[10:59:45] <XXCoder> $10 au? pretty cheap.
[10:59:47] <minibnz> i have snapped a few so far but they are cheap..
[11:00:12] <minibnz> so they were $1each :)
[11:00:33] <pink_vampire> that one is about 7$
[11:00:40] <minibnz> i use them on aluminium and plastics and brass. have cut some T5 pulleys with them
[11:01:12] <pink_vampire> I used them to cut the V block O2 steel.
[11:01:17] <pink_vampire> rock hard.
[11:01:22] <minibnz> the only problem with going to shallow is that the tool will just rub its way along rather than cut into the metal
[11:01:32] <minibnz> nice
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[11:01:55] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/UBiyjXt.png
[11:02:39] <minibnz> very nice..
[11:02:53] <pink_vampire> thanks
[11:03:55] <minibnz> i made some vblocks that are not worth showing.. infact i take care that they dont show up in photo's when i take them..
[11:04:05] <_methods> hehe
[11:04:36] <minibnz> the served their purpose on the day.. now they are just simple spacer blocks.
[11:04:48] <XXCoder> yeah pinjk did decent on vblock
[11:04:51] <pink_vampire> the setup is going to be nightmare
[11:05:28] <pink_vampire> the finish is AS machined
[11:05:41] <pink_vampire> look at the reflection. I soo like them
[11:05:43] <XXCoder> I dont know how large your machine head is but might be able to use your v block to hold and clamps on sides
[11:06:04] <XXCoder> though I wonder if oilstone would keep parallelism and flatness
[11:08:59] <minibnz> if you constantly rotate the peice as you hone them it helps to keep parallel. and push in figure 8 pattern
[11:09:37] <XXCoder> interesting
[11:10:40] <minibnz> do a fig 8 pattern and each lap you rotate the part 90' then 45'..
[11:11:02] <minibnz> that way when you are pushing you dont favor one end or corner.
[11:11:10] <XXCoder> makes sense
[11:11:25] <XXCoder> though her part finish is quite decent I'd probably left it as is.
[11:11:32] <minibnz> its how you do fiber optics, but for another reason..
[11:12:09] <minibnz> the better the finish the quicker it will collect marks and look worse.. :)
[11:13:24] <minibnz> i have completed my belt drive. its sooo much quieter now..
[11:13:42] <minibnz> just need some motivation to make somthing with the now quiet mill.. :)
[11:13:44] <XXCoder> true, that
[11:15:01] <minibnz> had to use a bit of 8mm perspex to mount the motor on as i didnt have any aluminium. i will keep my eye on it, to see if it cracks or breaks andsee if it needs to be metal.
[11:15:37] <XXCoder> awesome
[11:15:46] <XXCoder> quieter = can run little bit later
[11:16:06] <minibnz> next for the mill is the automatic tool changer. my mate has a bigger mill so i have given him the design of the power drawbar and the metal to make it with.. so i just need to make the platter.
[11:17:39] <minibnz> XXCoder exactly... i have tried not to run it past 9pm on a school night and 11pm on a weekend night.. but now the people down stairs have moved out and the shop has it for storage i might be able to run it unitl 11pm without complaint
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[11:19:25] <minibnz> the mod has lost me my spindle speed input.. it was only a index hall sensor not a full encoder but i am looking at making a encoder wheel for it.. and mount the full quad + index signals
[11:19:55] <pink_vampire> I fond a mistake at the part.
[11:20:18] <minibnz> i have a sheet of 0.5mm thick aluminium and a 1mm cutter that i might make a slotted wheel out of..
[11:20:43] <minibnz> is it not centered?
[11:21:06] <pink_vampire> the top narrow cylinder was too long and too thin, and without a chamfer
[11:21:07] <XXCoder> there is plenty of encoder pattern generators too.
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[11:22:27] <minibnz> yeah i am wondering how i will mount my opto sensors on the head now.. there is a hole i am thinking of using that used to have a drive shaft in, its now free and will make the setup neat and hidden
[11:22:42] <minibnz> i can draw the encoder wheel thats easy.
[11:23:03] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: doh in least its brass test one
[11:23:12] <XXCoder> gonna love NCMs
[11:24:02] <pink_vampire> I didn't cut it yet..
[11:24:03] <pink_vampire> so..
[11:24:14] <pink_vampire> what is NCMs?
[11:24:40] <XXCoder> I dont know what long version is, but its a test part
[11:24:42] <minibnz> numerical controlled machine.
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[11:24:54] <XXCoder> when part is harder metal, test is usually much cheaper aluminium
[11:25:06] <XXCoder> its good when part is dang expensive and you dont wanna scrap any.
[11:25:14] <minibnz> oh
[11:26:44] <pink_vampire> if it will work I think I will use it..
[11:26:51] <jthornton> finally broke through the 13 stone mark 12.9 stone today
[11:26:56] <minibnz> nill cost matirial?
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[11:27:12] <XXCoder> no idea
[11:27:24] <XXCoder> it must be stomped on resulting part
[11:27:39] <XXCoder> sometimes scrapped part that can still be worked on for next steps become a ncm
[11:27:39] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure
[11:27:57] <XXCoder> it might be company-specific lingo dunno
[11:28:12] <minibnz> ok
[11:28:32] <minibnz> two bad guesses will do :) for now..
[11:28:34] <jthornton> loosing 4.2 stone doesn't sound as good as loosing 60 pounds
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[11:28:58] <pink_vampire> jthornton: what are you doing?
[11:29:02] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure?
[11:29:12] <XXCoder> nubile cool mermaid?
[11:29:29] <jthornton> reducing my gravitational attraction to the earth
[11:29:43] <minibnz> so i just realised my dream of a big tool changer is going to be somewhat imposible due to the space available and what will be required. so i am mulling over some new ideas on how to best optimise the space to tool count...
[11:29:59] <XXCoder> jthornton: youre also pulling earth to you. just VASTLY less force
[11:30:36] <XXCoder> when you jump you also pushes earth down. probably by distance so small an atom would not detect it
[11:31:44] <minibnz> thinking a carousel thats a belt thats more like a chain with tool trays on it. might be the best way to get a lot of holders in the small area.
[11:31:54] <jthornton> jump is no longer in my vocabulary
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[11:39:25] <pink_vampire> http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-5003-0033
[11:39:29] <pink_vampire> cuuuuuuteeee
[11:40:09] <pink_vampire> soooo adorable
[11:40:11] <pink_vampire> !!!
[11:40:29] <XXCoder> thought you bought one while ago
[11:41:10] <pink_vampire> almost..
[11:41:17] <minibnz> damn thats $$$$
[11:41:38] <XXCoder> $50 isnt too bad
[11:41:40] <minibnz> i was thinking of mounting a roller bearing on the end of the probe i am building..
[11:41:42] <XXCoder> ruby
[11:41:54] <pink_vampire> that save a lot of time on the setup
[11:41:54] <XXCoder> artifical one but yeah
[11:41:54] <minibnz> until you overdrive an axis and snap it..
[11:42:06] <XXCoder> well many tools cost more
[11:42:15] <pink_vampire> minibnz: it will work the same
[11:42:16] <jthornton> wow to sell on amazon they have a bunch of fees
[11:42:24] <XXCoder> I once broke $300 tool just touching down to get length
[11:42:30] <XXCoder> stupid mistake
[11:42:40] <XXCoder> early in my internship lol
[11:42:48] <minibnz> ATM i have no confidence in my machine or my skills driving it.. so breakage must be an option.. or i wont play..
[11:43:00] <XXCoder> yeah el cheapo tools for now
[11:43:02] <XXCoder> same for me
[11:43:21] <pink_vampire> I never brake tools
[11:43:28] <pink_vampire> just the machine..
[11:44:11] <pink_vampire> I need to eat something
[11:44:57] <minibnz> although now i have ballscrews i am getting more confidence in the machine to do what i tell it.. i did some cutting in plastic for my beltdrive and it did really nice i had to do a second peice so i upped the speeds and now i think it can go a bit faster but need to re-learn what it can and cant do, it seems way more capable now..
[11:45:22] <minibnz> removing backlash is more important than i had realised.
[11:45:22] <pink_vampire> now I saw, the seam is carbide! 0.8mm of tungsten carbide, it's super fragile!
[11:46:06] <minibnz> i was getting good results before with the leadscrews and the backlash they had but the ballscrews are so much better i can drive the axis faster loaded and unloaded..
[11:46:09] <XXCoder> frigile but resistant to darn near everything
[11:46:15] <XXCoder> including temp changes
[11:47:33] <pink_vampire> what about carbon fiber?
[11:47:41] <pink_vampire> it have too much flex.
[11:47:49] <minibnz> i have used some 0.25mm drills on my mill and it was scary, had to make nozzles for my printer.i could see the drill flex as i was drilling.. so going sideways with anything smaller than 1mm is crazy :)
[11:47:56] <pink_vampire> how it even can use as seam??
[11:48:11] <XXCoder> not sure about carbon fiber
[11:48:36] <pink_vampire> http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-5003-9506
[11:48:47] <pink_vampire> $230.00
[11:48:50] <minibnz> for carbon fiber you are going to need really fast speeds or the cutter will simply pull the fibers out rather than cut them.. then it will snap
[11:48:52] <pink_vampire> carbon fibre stem
[11:49:13] <XXCoder> minibnz: shes talking about probe
[11:49:25] <minibnz> oh i see what you mean not to mill the carbon..
[11:49:26] <XXCoder> price is insane
[11:49:37] <minibnz> yeah
[11:49:45] <XXCoder> minibnz: I have milled fiberglass blocks
[11:49:49] <minibnz> that would have some flex in X and Y
[11:49:51] <XXCoder> that material eats tools.
[11:49:55] <XXCoder> literally.
[11:50:06] <pink_vampire> on the seam you need hard and light wight material.. and zero flex.
[11:50:23] <XXCoder> one tool I have to decrease diameter .0005 to .001" each part till its too old and new tool replaced
[11:51:15] <pink_vampire> brb, FOOD
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[12:07:21] <pink_vampire> back
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[12:29:39] <archivist> minibnz, have you seen these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281722204251
[12:31:49] <minibnz> have now :) thanks.. only problem is that it has a 3/4 inch shank. the biggest 3MT collet i can find is a 16mm
[12:32:18] <minibnz> i think tormach use a 3/4" shank... they sell the 3/4 collet i think..
[12:32:47] <minibnz> i am eagerly waiting to get paid.. its only a few days.. and that looks really good.
[12:33:04] <jthornton> it's going to be a good day to dig in the dirt
[12:33:16] <_methods> playin with the hoes again?
[12:33:38] <jthornton> yea, I have 3 stumps left and a bunch of dirt to move
[12:33:51] <minibnz> actually that solves a problem i was having trying to decide on how long the shank needs to be..
[12:33:58] * jthornton is making flat spot
[12:34:18] <archivist> minibnz, yes they are the totmach lookalikes, the thing I like is the ground register for length, missing on the cheap parallel ones
[12:34:28] <_methods> i'm getting my ass kicked by my shapers oiler system
[12:34:35] <_methods> they used copper piping for all of it
[12:34:46] <_methods> every time i adjust one it breaks joints on another one lol
[12:34:51] <minibnz> i was going to add my own press on flanges for indexing.
[12:35:09] <archivist> remember to soften the copper pipes first :)
[12:35:13] <minibnz> but that saves me the hassle and is only $2 more than what i was going to pay.
[12:35:38] <_methods> is that how they did it?
[12:36:25] <_methods> i've honestly never had to mess with a copper oiler system
[12:36:42] <archivist> copper work hardens
[12:37:12] <_methods> did they heat up the pipes while they were adjusting them into location?
[12:37:30] <jthornton> is it hard copper or soft copper?
[12:37:47] <_methods> soft
[12:38:05] <_methods> i think i just need to quit being such a gorilla while adjusting them
[12:38:27] <jthornton> that could be a problem too
[12:38:35] <_methods> lol
[12:38:38] <minibnz> i was thinking of going with a 16mm shank tool holder
[12:38:42] <_methods> i had to rip the whole system out though
[12:38:56] <_methods> the lines were plugged in there somewhere
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[12:44:15] <minibnz> but 19mm shanks will be stronger
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[12:57:00] <Encapsulation> xD
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[13:12:24] <__rob> anyone ever tried alum for removing a broken tap from aluminium ?
[13:14:04] <archivist> I usually go to a local workshop with edm and palm them a note to blast a tap out
[13:15:23] <Tom_itx> jthornton, how many stones have you thrown away?
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[13:24:04] <_methods> jthornton has all the luck he gets to play with hoes and get stoned
[13:30:50] <jthornton> 4.2 stones
[13:32:39] <archivist> bit small for a beer belly
[13:37:51] * JT-Shop doesn't have a beer belly any more
[13:38:51] * JT-Shop starts a fire to take the chill off the shop
[13:39:32] <Tom_itx> did you get your trike fixed?
[13:41:04] <JT-Shop> they called yesterday and said the output shaft had play and the engine has to come out and get disassembled, of course I knew that before I took it to them lol
[13:41:25] <Tom_itx> it's taken them that long to figure that out?
[13:42:16] <JT-Shop> they ordered the parts for the first thing they found then had to wait on them to arrive
[13:43:17] <JT-Shop> I guess they have to follow procedure when it is warranty work
[13:43:55] <Tom_itx> what would that be? be lazy and spend all the alotted time?
[13:44:59] <JT-Shop> no, they are very good and very busy
[13:45:15] <JT-Shop> I've known them for a while and trust them
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[15:41:18] <gregcnc> Hah! searching thEbay for a vise I found a photo of MY vise!! pic taken from my site. http://www.ebay.com/itm/322057606650
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[15:46:24] <archivist> gregcnc, there used to be a report this item link
[15:49:04] <CaptHindsight> if you zoom in on the 3rd pic/far right you can see their mailing address
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[15:51:10] <archivist> one of my youtube vids used to be copied a lot
[15:56:51] <archivist> also found a pic I took in a museum stolen and used on a blog, but they linked back to source
[15:57:45] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vise-Stop-Locator-CNC-Mill-3-8-1-Jaw-Clamping-Tool-Bridgeport-Work-Stop/272092565107?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35934%26meid%3D31c98d415a05461097f4b5fda6fa612b%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D322057606650
[15:58:15] <pink_vampire> my next project? or better to jest buy it?
[15:59:14] <CaptHindsight> I guess that obfuscating just linux was not enough https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntubsd/
[15:59:37] <pink_vampire> also my vise jaws full of marks and dents, is there a way to fix them?
[15:59:49] <Loetmichel> hmm
[16:00:36] <pink_vampire> I think I need someone with surface grinder to flat them again
[16:00:45] <Loetmichel> that Msihpromylop or polysomething is overdoing it a bit. I had 4(!) query open just now with some questions i answered already a few time... he is tarting to annoy me :(
[16:01:23] <archivist> only you!
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[16:01:32] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: yes, has been here the past month and changes nick after he get ignored
[16:02:57] <pink_vampire> I did a voice chat with him on discord. for few hours.
[16:03:08] <CaptHindsight> he behaves as though he has an anxiety disorder, but that might just be a new sophisticated form of trolling
[16:03:20] <pink_vampire> hope after that voice chat he will get the X6
[16:03:22] <Loetmichel> we have a proverb in germany... "give someone a finger and he will take the whole hand"... i shouldnt have helped him when he asked first. some people suffer from Decidophobie
[16:04:12] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: you recoomended the x6 to him?
[16:04:15] <Loetmichel> for sheet metal?
[16:04:46] <Loetmichel> ah, sorry
[16:04:50] <pink_vampire> for cutting aluminum boxes,
[16:04:54] <Loetmichel> you mean x6-1500?
[16:04:57] <archivist> he also wants to make guitar bodies
[16:05:06] <mase-tech> Loetmichel: was ist den decidophobie
[16:05:09] <Loetmichel> i had some "bridgeport" clone assocoated wiht x6
[16:05:11] <archivist> and lack clue
[16:05:21] <pink_vampire> he can do it no problem on the X6
[16:05:24] <Loetmichel> mase-tech: "fear of decisions"
[16:05:27] <pink_vampire> yex the X6-1500
[16:05:30] <pink_vampire> yes*
[16:05:43] <mase-tech> Hmm dann hab ich das auch
[16:06:12] <mase-tech> Ich will mir einen cnc maschine bauen... ich will in erster linie was dabei lernen und nicht soviel geld ausgeben
[16:06:24] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: I just ignore his 4-5 nicks
[16:06:25] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: i would call the x6-1550 a "China 6040 clone" ;)
[16:06:39] <mase-tech> alleine die linear schienen kosten 90 euro
[16:06:45] <pink_vampire> no.. it build much better,
[16:06:54] <Loetmichel> mase-tech: here is english.
[16:07:07] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: so an "upgrade clone"
[16:07:09] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[16:07:09] <pink_vampire> better rails, higher Z axis, better drivers.
[16:07:28] <Loetmichel> better rails? where=
[16:07:49] <Loetmichel> I see the same supported in y and unsupported in x and z as my Chinese 6040
[16:07:51] <pink_vampire> H rails on the X6 vs round on the 6040
[16:08:07] <Loetmichel> do you have pictures of the H rails?
[16:08:37] <Loetmichel> i see simple round rails on x ( the two big allen screws on the gantry side give it away)
[16:08:52] <pink_vampire> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-usb-3a-cnc-desktop-engraver.html
[16:08:58] <pink_vampire> scroll down
[16:09:07] <pink_vampire> HG20 Linear Guide Rails
[16:09:18] <Loetmichel> AH!
[16:09:32] <pink_vampire> I want to use something like that on my Z axis
[16:09:40] <Loetmichel> they used the allen screws to fix the gantry back plate...
[16:09:42] <Loetmichel> i see
[16:09:43] <Loetmichel> nice!
[16:10:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.spiritsoffrance.com.au/719-thickbox/massenez-william-pear-40-700ml.jpg what if you did this with tree limbs in the shape of guitars?
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[16:10:51] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: on youtube they show that it cut steel..
[16:11:00] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: the usb motion control card is rubbish tho ;-)
[16:11:00] <pink_vampire> and the cuts look ok..
[16:11:02] <pink_vampire> so..
[16:11:16] <Loetmichel> oh, mine does steel as well
[16:11:28] <Loetmichel> just have to go waaaay dont with cutting depth ;)
[16:11:53] <Loetmichel> It does aluminum pretty well tho
[16:11:57] <pink_vampire> worst case scenario he will need to get C10 board..
[16:12:07] <mase-tech> HEy peps I want to build a cnc machine on ym own
[16:12:14] <pink_vampire> my do almost just steel :)
[16:12:40] <pink_vampire> mase-tech: that nice
[16:12:44] <mase-tech> Therefore it should be cheap and I want to learn a priori
[16:12:59] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWTTP0RomA0 <- 3mm aluminium computer back plate
[16:13:04] <CaptHindsight> _methods: kickstarter http://www.toxel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/pears05.jpg
[16:13:09] <mase-tech> but it should be good enough to cut wood
[16:13:24] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel: http://i.imgur.com/UBiyjXt.png
[16:13:33] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/INVKcIf.png
[16:13:40] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/uxD3ICd.png
[16:13:52] <pink_vampire> finish as machined.
[16:13:57] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkKHPsJtZlc <- drillming some 2,5mm holes in a 1,5mm Al-sheet. Remotely ;)
[16:14:44] <pink_vampire> I'm drilling now 1.27mm holes
[16:14:44] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDcCyF_gVoY <- some Thread cutting ;)
[16:14:58] <pink_vampire> with 1/32" (0.7mm) end mill
[16:15:25] <pink_vampire> why you did a screw??
[16:15:31] <_methods> CaptHindsight: i can't believe i missed that one
[16:15:42] <CaptHindsight> http://i.imgur.com/vPMc5UU.jpg on the tree
[16:15:43] <Loetmichel> its a "screw in-button"
[16:16:17] <Loetmichel> to feed the original power switch to the new backplate of a shielding enclosure of a 19" rack Server
[16:16:44] <CaptHindsight> grow fruit in the shape of your face
[16:16:54] <pink_vampire> what is the smallest thing that you cut?
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[16:17:12] <maxcnc> hi all from a cool Germany
[16:17:22] <pink_vampire> hi maxcnc
[16:17:23] <maxcnc> hard day on CNC finished
[16:17:26] <Loetmichel> lets say the smallest mill bits i have are 0,3mm diameter
[16:17:27] <maxcnc> even a hard week
[16:17:36] <Loetmichel> aht they are "a bit prone to breaking off" ;)
[16:17:58] <maxcnc> today 40sheeds 2mx1m 3mm thick plasam
[16:18:09] <maxcnc> 25m 60x60 Alu
[16:18:46] <maxcnc> and 4 3.5x2.5 1inch MDF
[16:18:56] <maxcnc> down the mashines
[16:19:06] <maxcnc> only one fail
[16:19:37] <maxcnc> always th e ee that fails on some gcode
[16:20:00] <maxcnc> mase-tech: hi
[16:20:18] <maxcnc> size expected
[16:21:04] <CaptHindsight> _methods: how about cnc cut stencils for your face on your coffee?
[16:21:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160407-grab-a-coffee-with-stephen-fry-thanks-to-3d-printed-coffee-art.html
[16:22:04] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: you could knock those out of HDPE in what 90 seconds top?
[16:22:16] <maxcnc> CaptHindsight: next procekt oval cutting on 500 parts stencis .2thick
[16:22:49] * JT-Shop will never do that again
[16:23:01] <CaptHindsight> start selling coffee shops small fast routers and an app to threshold customer pics
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[16:23:07] <mase-tech> maxcnc:
[16:23:09] <mase-tech> hi
[16:24:57] <CaptHindsight> though would be faster to use an inkjet to dump the image onto the surface of the coffee
[16:27:22] <CaptHindsight> I bet using the top of your coffee for advertising would be the way to go
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[16:35:39] <CaptHindsight> don't leave your Gallium on your aluminum anythings https://youtu.be/aGxsHkWRF-E?t=26s
[16:39:24] <djdelorie> mase-tech: lots of cnc kits and plans at openbuilds.com
[16:44:29] <CaptHindsight> what is the fastest way to go from g-code to a finished HDPE mold, max dia, 50mm (2") 5mm Z (.2") with 0.25mm res (.01")?
[16:45:17] <CaptHindsight> for 1 ups, not mass production
[16:48:01] <t12> mold made of hdpe or mold for hdpe
[16:48:22] <CaptHindsight> mold out of HDPE
[16:48:35] <gregcnc> capt you don't buy enough aluminum from Adams, their rack only had channel and hollow shapes
[16:50:03] <t12> machining out of stock seems reasonable
[16:50:05] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I've only gotten aluminum and steel plate and steel bar there
[16:50:15] <t12> dunno how hdpe machines though
[16:50:30] <CaptHindsight> too hot and it melts
[16:50:35] <CaptHindsight> sticks to the tool
[16:50:48] <t12> what about cryomachining it
[16:50:53] <CaptHindsight> so maybe CO2 spray to keep it cool and hard while milling
[16:50:58] <t12> chips?
[16:51:08] <gregcnc> I has hoping they had some 1.5x2 bar or even drops, no luck
[16:51:20] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: aluminum?
[16:51:22] <t12> throughhole liq co2?
[16:51:23] <gregcnc> yes
[16:51:31] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: i would make a steel die and ounch them out of hdpe foil
[16:51:58] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: these are 1 ups, not mass production
[16:52:19] <CaptHindsight> so each is unique
[16:52:46] <Loetmichel> yeah, i could mill them in about 2-3 minutes or so
[16:53:27] <Loetmichel> i would use an 30° engraver bit tho, no 0,3mm end mill
[16:53:58] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: so to do it in under 60 seconds.....
[16:54:25] <Loetmichel> you just have to have a mill that runs 80krpm and F15000 ;)
[16:54:28] <CaptHindsight> was thinking cooling the HDPE and using 50K--100K rpm spindle
[16:54:32] <Loetmichel> (mm/min)
[16:55:29] <CaptHindsight> 300K rpm spindle and liquid nitrogen
[16:55:38] <djdelorie> CaptHindsight: I had melting problems with FR4, the key is to keep the IPS way up
[16:55:54] <t12> machine an aluminum positive and cast the hdpe mold?
[16:56:25] <Loetmichel> t2: he said "one-off"
[16:56:29] <t12> so
[16:56:33] <Loetmichel> i would do it with a steel die
[16:56:35] <t12> thats a small vol
[16:56:41] <maxcnc> yes Teflon spry is best to go on
[16:56:42] <CaptHindsight> to slow, or you can SLA 5mm/minute at 10x better res
[16:56:49] <t12> the alum cost is negligable
[16:57:10] <Loetmichel> made one with less than success for nickel sputtered nylon ribbons
[16:58:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11816&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[16:58:23] <mase-tech> djdelorie: thx for the link, I already know it
[16:58:27] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11828
[16:58:33] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11840
[16:59:29] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11843 <- the anti-glue-paper was cut fine, but the nylon proved to be a bit too resilient for mild steel. should have hardened it before grinding the edge ;)
[17:00:09] <Loetmichel> but in HDPE it should work fine
[17:01:07] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11849&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- made it with a premade punch and an xacto knife afterwards ;)
[17:01:45] <CaptHindsight> https://show.restaurant.org/Home is 5 weeks out
[17:03:35] <mase-tech> The competion is not to put ready to assemble parts together. this is too easy. I want to build a cnc to learn. Therefore it must be cheap and able to cut PCB and wood#
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[17:04:20] <maxcnc> http://www.cnc-discount.de/ pink is your friend
[17:04:50] <CaptHindsight> start with t-slot, the adult erector set
[17:05:21] <CaptHindsight> then replace the t-slot as you learn why it's not working as well as it can
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[17:06:10] <djdelorie> mase-tech: then see http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/ - I built mine from scraps I had in the shop over a couple of weekends
[17:08:03] <mase-tech> I build a "Scrap" cnc too. I savaged a old printer and scanner. I bought a raspi and wrote a python programm to drive the stepper motors.
[17:08:27] <mase-tech> but I don t want to call this attampet "machine" :D
[17:08:43] <CaptHindsight> t12: with 1 mold or pattern you can make food grade molds in corn starch very quickly
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[17:10:00] <mase-tech> djdelorie: wau good work. :)
[17:10:26] <djdelorie> well, "good enough" work at least. I haven't tried cutting aluminum with it yet...
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[17:17:24] <t12> i guess the ? is will the hdpe shatter in ln2 under machining
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[17:18:20] <malcom2073> djdelorie: Do you intend to cut aluminum replacement parts for the wood and slowly work it to be a stronger machine?
[17:18:49] <malcom2073> It's impressive none the less
[17:18:52] <t12> theres a whole thing of making choc molds too
[17:18:59] <djdelorie> I don't know. It was intended to be a plywood cutter, and a "learning" machine
[17:19:13] <djdelorie> I do want to add CNC to my bridgeport though, I might try cutting those parts on it
[17:20:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.moldmakingtechnology.com/articles/cryogenic-machining-eliminates-moldmaking-conundrum
[17:21:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ptonline.com/products/materials-liquid-nitrogren-cools-plastics-machining-
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[17:21:41] <t12> the ghetto way would be just to have a gantry style and do everything in a ln2 bath
[17:21:49] <mase-tech> djdelorie: I like your work, but I don't like the belt
[17:21:51] <t12> throughhole ln2 could be weird for various reasons
[17:22:04] <t12> (if not engineered)
[17:22:13] <CaptHindsight> t12: LN2 is just applied locally to the cutting area
[17:22:17] <djdelorie> which belt?
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[17:22:31] <CaptHindsight> cost vs time
[17:22:39] <mase-tech> http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_2574.html
[17:22:56] <CaptHindsight> 2 minutes without LN2, <60 seconds with?
[17:23:06] <mase-tech> You bought the linear rails, but not the coupling
[17:23:29] <t12> i mean for test
[17:23:35] <mase-tech> By the way which motors are u using
[17:23:36] <t12> pumping ln2 is.. weird
[17:23:39] <CaptHindsight> wood eye make a wooden router?
[17:23:43] <djdelorie> I didn't buy the rails, they were leftovers, and the servos go up to 6000 RPM so gearing them down is kinda needed
[17:23:51] <t12> pumping lhe is the worst
[17:24:11] <djdelorie> NEMA 34 BLDC, 160V
[17:24:23] <CaptHindsight> CO2 spray is easy
[17:24:32] <mase-tech> djdelorie: from where did u got the rails
[17:24:38] <djdelorie> actually, I didn't buy *any* of the parts for that cnc
[17:24:53] <djdelorie> a friend brought over a box of spare parts, including the rails and gears
[17:25:04] <mase-tech> you are lucky :)
[17:25:05] <djdelorie> he said "let's see what we can make from this"
[17:25:19] <CaptHindsight> I wood have used wood for bearings
[17:25:29] <t12> lol
[17:25:29] <djdelorie> I did for the Z
[17:25:31] <t12> hardwood roller bearing
[17:26:14] <CaptHindsight> the plywood is already a composite
[17:26:33] <CaptHindsight> polymer wood bearings, rail and screws
[17:26:59] <djdelorie> anyway, projects call, got to go... later :-)
[17:27:17] <mase-tech> djdelorie: ok cu :)
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[17:30:27] <CaptHindsight> http://woodexbearing.com/uploads/visual_edit/harrow-halves-1.png
[17:30:56] <CaptHindsight> http://woodexbearing.com/products
[17:31:42] * Polymorphism researches
[17:32:19] <malcom2073> *furiously*
[17:32:32] <CaptHindsight> http://lumberjocks.com/mochoa/blog/33045
[17:32:45] <CaptHindsight> https://s3.amazonaws.com/lumberjocks.com/mdsjj36.jpg
[17:33:31] <CaptHindsight> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MyfUSBs6Nfg/UFaXOAVOEnI/AAAAAAAADks/Bvmq9lqFVNw/s1024/DSC01148.JPG
[17:35:05] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoMhAm-JZUw wooden ballscrew
[17:35:29] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTxivqmK4s0
[17:35:33] <malcom2073> Even better! :P
[17:35:51] <CaptHindsight> gotta be wood
[17:36:14] <malcom2073> Wonder if there is any wood recirculating bearings like that
[17:36:20] <malcom2073> I've seen the ballscrews before
[17:36:22] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwgyluRaM5E
[17:36:25] <CaptHindsight> ^^^
[17:36:38] <malcom2073> Fantastic
[17:36:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/cnc-wood-router-project-log/135232-cnc-software-forum-posts-30.html
[17:36:58] <CaptHindsight> completely silly and fun
[17:37:01] <malcom2073> You'd think they'd design it so there wasn't space between the balls to chatter
[17:39:20] <CaptHindsight> http://brunelleschi.imss.fi.it/genscheda.asp?appl=LIR&xsl=modello&lingua=ENG&chiave=100874
[17:39:39] <CaptHindsight> Leonardos pressure resistant thrust bearing
[17:40:15] <CaptHindsight> not bad for 500 years ago
[17:40:42] <malcom2073> Indeed
[17:42:08] <CaptHindsight> http://brunelleschi.imss.fi.it/ingrin/emulti.asp?codice=101771 Leonardo points out that helical teeth last longer than ordinary ones because of their larger contact surface.
[17:42:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.miksovsky.com/chris/design/woodbearing/woodbearing.htm
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[17:57:14] <malcom2073> I think we're coming up on the "could've bought three" point now aren't we? :P
[18:00:28] <Polymorphism> ironically I may get the most expensive I've been considering too
[18:00:32] <Polymorphism> making the delay more painful
[18:00:57] <Polymorphism> | | this close to just saying "fuck it" and ordering the 30x36 raptor machine
[18:01:09] <Polymorphism> I think I would come to regret 12" x travel on the mini raptor
[18:01:21] <Polymorphism> but I dont think I would come to regret paying extra
[18:02:02] <Polymorphism> I like hte idea of putting it together myself actually
[18:02:04] <Polymorphism> and wiring it up
[18:02:06] <Polymorphism> more rewarding
[18:02:11] <Polymorphism> and I know the wiring will be done right
[18:02:28] <Polymorphism> trying to determine just what I should be using for wires and sleeves etc actually
[18:02:32] <Polymorphism> and what that will end up costing me
[18:02:39] <Polymorphism> planning for ~$100
[18:03:10] <jdh> The $100 is just the first order of stuff that turns out to be not quite what you need.
[18:21:43] <CaptHindsight> this channel is turning into Groundhog Day http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107048/
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[18:35:01] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bkyPr6oKN0
[18:35:04] <Polymorphism> how does this look?
[18:35:06] <Polymorphism> this is a raptor mini
[18:35:18] <Polymorphism> I still dont quite know what to listen and look for
[18:37:31] <malcom2073> Don't hear any chatter, but you can't hear well via video anyway.
[18:37:48] <malcom2073> The raptor was a fairly well built machine iirc from the looks of
[18:37:49] <malcom2073> it
[18:38:44] <Polymorphism> I'm going wiht raprot
[18:38:47] <Polymorphism> raptor
[18:38:51] <malcom2073> I don't believe you!
[18:38:57] <Polymorphism> dont want to mess around with the chinese machines
[18:39:03] <Polymorphism> and I get to put this together myself like a kit
[18:39:07] <Polymorphism> learn how it al works
[18:39:21] <Polymorphism> and everyone is saying 100% good thingds about xzero cnc
[18:39:25] <Polymorphism> cant say the same for omio or ebay 6040
[18:39:32] <Polymorphism> I dont want to risk the money
[18:39:43] <Polymorphism> so now I'm just deciding if 12"x is enough for me
[18:39:59] <Polymorphism> or if I should pay 1500 more for 24"
[18:40:07] <Polymorphism> 24x30x7"
[18:40:41] <Polymorphism> for 3900ish or 12x24"x4" for $2500 or 12x30"4" for $2600
[18:40:44] <Polymorphism> this is my final choice
[18:41:02] <Polymorphism> I've pmed many users of both machines
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[18:42:41] <Polymorphism> the longer 12x" model is a no brainer for 100 more, unlessI consider the space
[18:42:46] <Polymorphism> but is 12" enough x
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[18:58:25] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: hi
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[19:08:15] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, hi
[19:08:27] <pink_vampire> hi.
[19:09:36] <pink_vampire> I'm looking for a mother board mini-itx, with 2 lpts and one pci, or 2 pci and 1 lpt.
[19:09:48] <pink_vampire> you can help me to find one?
[19:11:11] <Polymorphism> I can try
[19:11:18] <Polymorphism> it might be hard to find
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[19:40:17] <pcw_home> dont think there are any mini-itx with either
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[19:41:22] <pcw_home> possibly some old gaming ones with 2 PCIE
[19:43:11] <pcw_home> 1 PCI and 1 LPT is available in reasonably current MBs
[19:43:58] <pcw_home> (MiniITX)
[19:44:00] <pcw_home> micro ATX its not a problem
[19:54:12] <robin_sz> so, back to the damn display going off ... did anyone come up with any good ideas on how to stop it?
[19:54:29] <XXCoder> robin_sz: on what machine or whatever?
[19:54:57] <robin_sz> on the latest distro, debian, xfce etc
[19:55:12] <robin_sz> the standard Linuccnc install disc
[19:55:28] <XXCoder> checked screensaver setting?
[19:55:37] <robin_sz> its not the screensaver
[19:55:43] <XXCoder> default is no screensaver but its where you can turn off powerroff too
[19:55:48] <robin_sz> its not going black, its going off
[19:56:14] <robin_sz> I think you are talking about a different distro
[19:56:44] <XXCoder> both my pc and linuxcnc pc use xscreensaver
[19:57:27] <XXCoder> ohh new linuxcnc version
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[19:57:40] <XXCoder> do I distro update or what?
[19:57:46] <robin_sz> I have in the screensaver setting, power management disabled
[19:58:31] <robin_sz> and in xfce power mananger, I have everyting set to "never"
[19:58:34] <XXCoder> current linuxcnc distro is debian correct?
[19:58:34] <robin_sz> sleep never
[19:58:38] <robin_sz> yes
[19:58:47] <robin_sz> with xfce as the wm
[19:58:58] <robin_sz> and some weird ass mouse behaviour
[19:59:04] <robin_sz> but, forget about the mouse
[19:59:15] <robin_sz> I just wanna stop the display turning off
[19:59:35] <XXCoder> interesting one suggests uninstall screensaver
[19:59:45] <robin_sz> its not even running
[20:00:03] <XXCoder> it always run service unless you kill -9 it
[20:00:09] <robin_sz> nah
[20:00:22] <robin_sz> it may be supposed to be like that
[20:02:21] <robin_sz> when i pull up screen saver settings, it says the screensaver daemon is not running
[20:02:26] <robin_sz> which is fine by me
[20:02:32] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:02:39] <XXCoder> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/disable-turn-off-screen-in-wheezy-4175523362/
[20:02:44] <XXCoder> few possible options
[20:05:34] <robin_sz> dpms is disabled
[20:05:53] <XXCoder> there is few other options
[20:09:56] <robin_sz> we'll see
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[20:10:28] <XXCoder> guy says solved but does NOT state what did it :( sucks
[20:10:31] <robin_sz> I cannot begin to imagine why you would want a machine tool to shut its display down every 5 minutes
[20:10:34] <robin_sz> not just balnk
[20:10:49] <robin_sz> but powered down, taking 30 seconds plus to come back up
[20:12:00] <XXCoder> yeah for machine thats not good
[20:12:08] <XXCoder> pn my pc its set to 10 minutes
[20:12:16] <robin_sz> its cost me a $50 cutter already this week
[20:12:38] <XXCoder> no physical e-stop?
[20:12:48] <robin_sz> yes
[20:12:54] <robin_sz> but manual tool change
[20:13:03] <robin_sz> so it calls for a tool
[20:13:13] <robin_sz> I walk over to screen, its dead, obviously
[20:13:20] <robin_sz> tap the space bar to wake it up
[20:13:32] <robin_sz> I guess pointer was over the "ok"
[20:13:37] <robin_sz> off it goes
[20:13:38] <malcom2073> Never tap the space bar or enter key on *any* computer to wake it up :P
[20:13:40] <XXCoder> heh I always use up arrow
[20:13:44] <XXCoder> safest button
[20:13:45] <malcom2073> Arrows are usually fairly safe
[20:13:46] <DaViruz> i always use shift
[20:13:52] <robin_sz> both are bad answers
[20:13:58] <malcom2073> True, but yours is worse :P
[20:13:59] <robin_sz> never put the screen to sleep
[20:14:11] <malcom2073> Meaning hitting space
[20:14:19] <evil_ren> ha, yeah i mouse shake
[20:14:26] <evil_ren> and now i think of you every time i do it
[20:14:31] <robin_sz> mouse shake does not seem to do it
[20:14:41] <evil_ren> takes awhile on my machine
[20:14:42] <XXCoder> odd it does for me
[20:14:48] <evil_ren> few seconds if a cycle is running
[20:15:02] <XXCoder> wow
[20:15:03] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/qMrOH-UyicA
[20:15:10] <robin_sz> maybe it does but maybe I get bored during the 30 to 4 seconds it takes to wake the monitor
[20:15:33] <evil_ren> shrug, get a faster pc
[20:16:05] <robin_sz> I just wish I could find out how it got into this state
[20:16:18] <robin_sz> someone must have customised the distro to do this
[20:16:19] <evil_ren> did you update?
[20:16:22] <evil_ren> i wont update
[20:16:29] <evil_ren> i keep the system offline
[20:16:35] <robin_sz> new install about 2 or 3 months ago
[20:16:39] <robin_sz> its how it ships
[20:16:45] <evil_ren> oh
[20:16:51] <evil_ren> yeah my install is much older
[20:16:56] <robin_sz> and the weird mouse behaviour
[20:17:04] <evil_ren> couple years maybe, not helpful
[20:17:34] <robin_sz> highlighting text does not copy it to the buffer :(
[20:17:45] <robin_sz> middle mouse does not paste :(
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[20:18:42] <robin_sz> but, I can live with that
[20:18:57] <robin_sz> but I can't live with the screen dying continually
[20:19:40] <XXCoder> why yuse old distro?
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[20:56:22] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:31:08] <CaptHindsight> talk about DIY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHTTTwaR7R0 Clinical Kidney Transplantation (MOOC)
[22:32:05] <XXCoder> someday transplants will be thing of past
[22:32:14] <XXCoder> there is already 3d printed stuff that works,.
[22:32:44] <XXCoder> using patient own cells so zero rejection chance
[22:33:36] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: until you can selectively have synthetic virus target just the bad cells in an organ and swap DNA you'll still need to swap entire organs
[22:34:49] <XXCoder> 3d printing organs will end that
[22:35:10] <CaptHindsight> end what?
[22:35:11] <XXCoder> one person was recent saved by having skull printed and replaced
[22:35:54] <XXCoder> having to use other people organs
[22:36:03] <Tom_itx> how do you replace the whole thing?
[22:36:17] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: not entire skull
[22:36:19] <CaptHindsight> my reply was/is two steps ahead of you
[22:36:46] <XXCoder> http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/medical-first-3-d-printed-skull-successfully-implanted-woman-n65576
[22:37:27] <CaptHindsight> the real money is in new brains
[22:37:54] <Tom_itx> i know a few that could use those
[22:37:58] <XXCoder> someday that will happen but not for very long while. brain is million times more complex than any other organ
[22:38:08] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: I know a few, including myself. my brain sucks
[22:38:16] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: for some, not everyone :p
[22:38:37] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: cat brain is more complex than any human organ besides brain.
[22:40:04] <CaptHindsight> the problems with cat brains in people are the constant desire to lick yourself, rub your face on corners, and chase small fast moving objects
[22:40:27] <XXCoder> heh
[22:40:29] <CaptHindsight> pooping in sand is actually a step up for many
[22:40:52] <XXCoder> I do wonder what will be result if person just 3d printed a generic brain using human brain cells
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[22:41:04] <XXCoder> would it even form a person, even when in human body?
[22:41:22] <XXCoder> or is development critical to building proper stucture?
[22:41:23] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: I think it will be DNA therapy vs brain swap
[22:41:56] <Tom_itx> starting to get into ethical boundaries
[22:42:04] <CaptHindsight> having memories erased, like being asked about the same router 784.329 times
[22:42:05] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: indeed
[22:42:22] <Tom_itx> heh
[22:42:29] <CaptHindsight> unseeing things
[22:42:33] <CaptHindsight> unfeeling things
[22:42:56] <Tom_itx> felt like groundhog day all over
[22:43:07] <CaptHindsight> :)
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[22:43:56] <Tom_itx> only not quite as intertaining
[22:44:01] <Tom_itx> en*
[22:44:34] <CaptHindsight> that movie was filmed just minutes from me
[22:44:42] <CaptHindsight> that town still looks the same
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[22:45:33] <Tom_itx> they film quite a few in the savannah area, i've seen where forest gump & one of the Sandra Bullock ones were filmed
[22:47:56] <CaptHindsight> https://goo.gl/maps/H9e3DFYQDJC2
[22:48:07] <joem_> my first cut! <3 https://i.imgur.com/dDvSJtV.png
[22:48:34] <malcom2073> Congrats joem_, is the pattern intentional?
[22:48:49] <joem_> the lower half is the roughing pass of my facing tool
[22:48:54] <joem_> the upper half is the finishing pass
[22:49:00] <malcom2073> Nice finish
[22:49:12] <joem_> the hatch marking on the roughing pass shows that my spindle axis is perpendicular to my table plane
[22:49:21] <joem_> which was an issue i had (turns out, my head was rotated slightly)
[22:49:34] <CaptHindsight> the head of the mill
[22:49:36] <joem_> yeah i'm really liking the finish
[22:49:52] <joem_> lol yeah the head of the mill, sorry
[22:50:05] <XXCoder> joem_: very nice finish
[22:51:03] <joem_> thx :) i'm happy with it
[22:51:23] <joem_> especially for a face mill i found on ebay from china
[22:51:32] <malcom2073> Even better heh
[22:51:43] <malcom2073> I need to get myself a face mill, I don't have one yet
[22:51:59] <zeeshan|2> y
[22:52:19] * Tom_itx slaps zeeshan|2 around a bit with a large trout
[22:52:31] <zeeshan|2> :P
[22:52:43] <joem_> that's my fetish.
[22:53:16] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 what you workin on this weekend?
[22:53:17] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s
[22:53:26] <zeeshan|2> engine
[22:53:27] <zeeshan|2> :P
[22:53:32] <zeeshan|2> you?
[22:53:35] <Tom_itx> which one?
[22:53:38] <zeeshan|2> subaru
[22:53:44] <zeeshan|2> its almost assembled
[22:53:44] <joem_> hah excellent
[22:53:45] <Tom_itx> working on my catia problems for class a bit
[22:53:47] <zeeshan|2> a bit more to go
[22:54:13] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/19kBwwA.jpg
[22:54:15] <zeeshan|2> short block assembled
[22:54:21] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/GGqL9oy.jpg
[22:54:24] <zeeshan|2> head assembled :P
[22:54:27] <malcom2073> So few pistons
[22:54:39] <zeeshan|2> looking at one side
[22:54:39] <zeeshan|2> :P
[22:54:44] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/8aMqSZ3.jpg
[22:54:49] <Tom_itx> looks nothing like a VW
[22:54:50] <CaptHindsight> what washing machine is that out of? :)
[22:54:56] <malcom2073> Still so few
[22:54:57] <zeeshan|2> thats how i torqued my cam gears
[22:54:57] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:55:11] <zeeshan|2> i cant get wait to get rid of this pos engine and car
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[22:55:37] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: rebuilding the engine?
[22:55:46] <zeeshan|2> yes
[22:55:50] <Tom_itx> he has a secret love for subarus
[22:55:57] <CaptHindsight> worn out or broken?
[22:56:05] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: cmon man
[22:56:08] <zeeshan|2> you know i dont bs :P
[22:56:11] <Tom_itx> it blew up when he was on vacation
[22:56:21] <zeeshan|2> im getting rid of it for a 2015 4runner
[22:56:22] <CaptHindsight> I missed the drama
[22:56:22] <zeeshan|2> likely
[22:56:48] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: machine a engine from raw materials I dare you
[22:56:52] <CaptHindsight> it's very cute
[22:56:55] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: summary: 30k miles on engine,
[22:56:59] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I want to
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[22:57:00] <zeeshan|2> completely bone stock
[22:57:00] <malcom2073> A tiny one
[22:57:06] <zeeshan|2> blew up on the highway while i was cruising
[22:57:13] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/NySkI
[22:57:16] <XXCoder> malcom2073: yah saw some on youtube
[22:57:16] <malcom2073> "cruising"
[22:57:17] <XXCoder> amazing
[22:57:24] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: not fun, what let go?
[22:57:38] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I'ma start with air/steam powered, and eventually move up to internal combusion
[22:57:51] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: they suffer from cracked ringlands/spinning bearings
[22:57:54] <zeeshan|2> either one happened
[22:58:03] <DaViruz> zeeshan|2: what the heck
[22:58:07] <malcom2073> "cruising"
[22:58:11] <CaptHindsight> fing subarubas
[22:58:17] <DaViruz> oh.
[22:58:25] <zeeshan|2> i wish i read the forums before buying this pos
[22:58:37] <zeeshan|2> i go on toyota forums people are whining about burning oil at 250,000 km
[22:58:41] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: were you bale to save the crank and block?
[22:58:47] <CaptHindsight> bale/able
[22:58:54] <zeeshan|2> i go on the subaru forums, i see people whining about blowing their engine up at 12,000 km
[22:58:55] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:59:01] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: no
[22:59:03] <XXCoder> ow
[22:59:04] <zeeshan|2> completely trashed
[22:59:06] <DaViruz> i like the ring just sitting here in the bore
[22:59:13] <zeeshan|2> DaViruz: LOL
[22:59:13] <XXCoder> heh my vans at very nearly 200,000 miles
[22:59:19] <zeeshan|2> i laughed so hard when i took off the head
[22:59:20] <XXCoder> bunch strange issues but works fine
[22:59:28] <zeeshan|2> i have no idea how that ring is just sitting there
[22:59:30] <zeeshan|2> *was
[22:59:32] <DaViruz> the piston is a mess :)
[22:59:46] <DaViruz> actually i've never seen anything quite like it
[23:00:15] <zeeshan|2> i put in forged pistons
[23:00:20] <zeeshan|2> but now ive decided im getting rid of the car
[23:00:29] <zeeshan|2> wish i just put the short block in and didnt waste money on forged pistons
[23:00:40] <CaptHindsight> oh wow, what pics
[23:01:00] <Tom_itx> i've seen rods come out the side of the block etc but not usually piston failure unless a valve broke off like VW's used to do
[23:01:03] <zeeshan|2> if you value your time and money
[23:01:06] <zeeshan|2> plz don't buy subaru
[23:01:21] <zeeshan|2> they've heavily marketed the car
[23:01:26] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, don't tell that to the guy you sell it to
[23:01:30] <zeeshan|2> reality is the boxer is a piece of shit
[23:01:35] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: im trading it in
[23:01:37] <DaViruz> zeeshan|2: i seem to remember you were a proponent of aero-converting subaru engines? ;)
[23:01:58] <Tom_itx> i think he saw the light
[23:01:58] <CaptHindsight> yah learn from yer mistakes
[23:02:03] <minibnz> subaru's are just oversized volkwagen engines.. not designed for the power..
[23:02:16] <zeeshan|2> DaViruz: i was never a proponent of subaru anything
[23:02:23] <zeeshan|2> you might be confusing the subaru engine wit hthe rx7..
[23:02:26] <zeeshan|2> rotary vs v8
[23:02:39] <zeeshan|2> the gm ls1 is the best engine in my opinion
[23:02:39] <Tom_itx> they still loose out on the top end though
[23:02:42] <zeeshan|2> easy to work on
[23:02:43] <zeeshan|2> reliable
[23:02:45] <DaViruz> nah some discussions with ssi a year back or so
[23:02:50] <zeeshan|2> just eats a shit load of gas :)
[23:03:14] <zeeshan|2> DaViruz: it was prolly awd vs fwd vs rwd
[23:03:29] <zeeshan|2> that's the only thing going for the car -- symmetrical awd
[23:03:36] <DaViruz> nah it was with regards to airplane engines, but i might be misremembering
[23:04:44] <zeeshan|2> on a bright note
[23:04:51] <zeeshan|2> snap-on techwrench is worth the money!
[23:04:58] <DaViruz> oh it wasn't you, it was furrywolf
[23:06:11] <malcom2073> Where'd he go anyway?
[23:06:24] <zeeshan|2> rip
[23:06:30] <DaViruz> really?
[23:06:32] <zeeshan|2> yes
[23:06:44] <malcom2073> That sucks
[23:06:56] <zeeshan|2> you didnt hear?
[23:07:01] <malcom2073> Erm, he's still online
[23:07:02] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: died?
[23:07:06] <XXCoder> nope
[23:07:07] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:07:09] <zeeshan|2> sorry
[23:07:29] <zeeshan|2> he hangs out in #cars now
[23:07:38] <malcom2073> Bastard heh
[23:07:39] <zeeshan|2> i tried to get him to come back but he thinks this room hates him
[23:07:39] <zeeshan|2> :P
[23:07:58] <XXCoder> actually I think its more specific
[23:08:00] <XXCoder> you that is
[23:08:41] <zeeshan|2> i chat with him
[23:08:42] <zeeshan|2> :P
[23:10:20] <XXCoder> surpising as it was you who guy got angry with and left
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[23:24:41] <zeeshan|2> :)
[23:24:47] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: do you have your notes for catia?
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[23:43:56] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: so whats your plan with your car
[23:44:36] <zeeshan|2> |!
[23:44:37] <zeeshan|2> ?!
[23:44:46] <zeeshan|2> put it back together
[23:44:47] <zeeshan|2> break it in
[23:44:50] <zeeshan|2> drive to dealership
[23:44:51] <zeeshan|2> trade in
[23:45:12] <zeeshan|2> the subie engines have an inherent design flaw in the oiling system
[23:45:17] <zeeshan|2> it's a ticking time bomb.
[23:45:27] <XXCoder> just be sure not to pay more for repair than trade in
[23:45:38] <zeeshan|2> i wont
[23:45:44] <zeeshan|2> i should get 20k for trade in
[23:45:51] <zeeshan|2> ive put about 4500 in parts
[23:46:03] <zeeshan|2> a blown engine car would be worth 4-5k by itself..
[23:46:08] <XXCoder> not bad
[23:46:08] <zeeshan|2> thats why i fixed it
[23:46:32] <zeeshan|2> i'll know if i fixed it if it doesnt blow up between the time i break it in and trade in
[23:46:32] <zeeshan|2> :P
[23:46:45] <zeeshan|2> someone is going to get a hell of a deal on this car..
[23:47:58] <XXCoder> in both definitions. cheap anddesign flaw fun
[23:47:58] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: buy it? :D
[23:48:05] <zeeshan|2> haha yea man
[23:48:11] <XXCoder> sure, you can have my machine as payment for it
[23:48:13] <zeeshan|2> the thing is that design flaw seems to effect some cars
[23:48:16] <gregcnc> trade it in for one of these? https://youtu.be/OazFiIhwAEs?t=1m20s
[23:48:28] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: haha
[23:48:29] <zeeshan|2> thats crazy!
[23:48:47] <XXCoder> nah its better than helicopers
[23:49:10] <XXCoder> helicoper has one flaw that if tail fins break...
[23:50:20] <zeeshan|2> it just goes in circles
[23:50:22] <zeeshan|2> =D
[23:50:27] <XXCoder> its a test flight
[23:50:29] <XXCoder> first one
[23:50:38] <zeeshan|2> no i mean if the tail rotor breaks
[23:51:00] <XXCoder> no, it increases on spinning till body rotates on equal but opposute force
[23:51:03] <XXCoder> then it crashes
[23:51:12] <XXCoder> because it cant create enough lift
[23:51:27] <zeeshan|2> :P
[23:51:35] <zeeshan|2> not all helicopters have tail rotors
[23:51:43] <zeeshan|2> theres plenty where the main rotors spin in opposite directions
[23:51:45] <zeeshan|2> for stability
[23:51:47] <XXCoder> yeah there is designs that do that
[23:52:08] <XXCoder> though that new design means if you lose one or two props its still fine
[23:52:19] <XXCoder> though I would land for safety reasons/
[23:53:01] <yasnak> I had a dodge ram with the 4.7, 2007. Looked sweet at first, by third oil change i brought it to dealership to trade in.
[23:53:15] <yasnak> Diesel ever since ;/
[23:53:25] <gregcnc> https://youtu.be/sDC8Cs5gmqc?t=1m22s
[23:53:28] <XXCoder> heh I am still waiting for my elio
[23:53:45] <XXCoder> though I do have backup plan of getting cheap new car if my van decides to not work.
[23:54:44] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Any word on the ellos? when are they due?
[23:55:07] <XXCoder> near end of 2016. they are making limited runs for fleets order though
[23:55:52] <yasnak> gregcnc, cool design. dual-purpose...flip over and you've got a lawnmower ;P
[23:56:52] <XXCoder> the same craft can fly upside down
[23:56:57] <XXCoder> just reverse props
[23:57:13] <zeeshan|2> what blows my mind is subaru is #5 on the most reliable car brand
[23:57:20] <zeeshan|2> but if you look at any subaru forum
[23:57:25] <zeeshan|2> they are plagued with blown motors?
[23:57:31] <zeeshan|2> WTF is going on
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[23:57:52] <yasnak> subaru's are nice. biggest problem is the idiots who don't take care of their cars in general ;/
[23:58:06] <zeeshan|2> well you can call me an idiot all you want
[23:58:11] <malcom2073> Or the guy before you
[23:58:13] <yasnak> oh, not saying you haha
[23:58:15] <zeeshan|2> i know i take better care of my car than 99% ppl out there
[23:58:27] <yasnak> shit happens
[23:58:28] <zeeshan|2> and i don't think all these people are idiots:
[23:58:45] <zeeshan|2> http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1695936
[23:58:51] <yasnak> i know the 4.7 had pathetic design issues. sludge issues
[23:59:10] <yasnak> rockers would pop off, that was the sign you best be trading that thing in
[23:59:12] <zeeshan|2> thats just 2009..
[23:59:25] <yasnak> next would be the coolant loss, head gasket goes, boom. all before 100k
[23:59:43] <zeeshan|2> subaru recently lost a law suit ..
[23:59:48] <yasnak> its like the ford 6.0L diesel
[23:59:50] <zeeshan|2> they admitted their brand new engines burn oil from factory