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[00:18:22] <andypugh> I think I might be losing motivation on the lathe project. I stopped today at 10pm because I didn’t have the right size of wire in the right colour (brown, ie 240v live here)
[00:18:53] <_methods> slacker
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[00:32:03] <TurBoss> Hi
[00:32:28] <TurBoss> i built linuxcnc from sources with simulator support for test gatrykins
[00:32:39] <TurBoss> but I cant find gantrykins in sim tab
[00:32:46] <TurBoss> is the gantry the same thing'
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[00:35:04] <XXCoder> andypugh: nah trangle was complete. with 3 corners and all
[00:35:46] <malcom2073> You can make a triangle with three 90 degree angles on the planet
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[00:36:43] <XXCoder> malcom2073: yeah, pretty strightforward. I screwed up though, it didnt look good
[00:37:01] <malcom2073> Were you *trying* to?
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[00:46:01] <XXCoder> nah just decided to do it and see
[00:52:04] <andypugh> TurBoss: Do you _want_ gantrykins?
[00:52:15] <TurBoss> yes bu in sim
[00:52:18] <TurBoss> *but
[00:53:19] <TurBoss> andypugh: is the gantry ecample the same?
[00:53:23] <andypugh> Are you sure?
[00:53:28] <TurBoss> why?
[00:54:13] <TurBoss> I need 2 servo in the Y axis
[00:54:19] <andypugh> I don’t think that gantrykins works as you would like it to in anything but joints_axe branch
[00:56:10] <andypugh> Firstly, are you Dannym?
[00:56:22] <TurBoss> ? sry?
[00:56:23] <TurBoss> xD
[00:56:51] <TurBoss> I'm turBoss in the forums
[00:56:55] <andypugh> (just so I know how many people on how many forums I am talking about this with)
[00:57:11] <TurBoss> :)
[00:58:43] <TurBoss> joints_axes12 branch then?
[00:58:48] <TurBoss> ty
[01:00:42] <andypugh> If you are building from source, definitely. Then look at gentrivkins rather than gantrykins
[01:01:34] <andypugh> (you can switch gentrivkins from kinematics_both to kinematics_identity. They work diferently, one might work like you want.
[01:02:10] <TurBoss> ty
[01:02:22] <TurBoss> gentrikins is a branch?
[01:02:25] <TurBoss> i cant find it
[01:03:10] <andypugh> gentrivkins is a kinematics module in joints_axes12
[01:03:15] <TurBoss> okkkk
[01:03:46] <andypugh> if you checj out JA12 and compile, then man gentrivkins will explain
[01:04:07] <TurBoss> fine
[01:05:49] <andypugh> well, “explain” might be over-stating the case. The manpage will give you a small amount of 100% correct information, whilst failing to mention many important points.
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[01:32:22] <Frank__10> hi guys, i am looking at a chart from hiwin saying that the tigthtening torque value for the m6 bolts is 70kgf cm; meaning that with a wrench of 15cm, i should apply 70/15= 4.6kgs?
[01:32:36] <Asdrubal> hola
[01:32:54] <TurBoss> hola
[01:33:16] <Asdrubal> como va?
[01:33:20] <Asdrubal> soy nuevo!
[01:33:29] <TurBoss> me too
[01:33:30] <TurBoss> xD
[01:33:37] <Frank__10> no sabes ingles?
[01:33:50] <Asdrubal> si,no mucho
[01:34:17] <Frank__10> aca hablan todos ingles.. parece que sos arg, no?
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[01:34:26] <Frank__10> lol
[01:34:30] <TurBoss> :O
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[01:40:27] <andypugh> Frank__10: My pedantic side refuses to consider kgf.cm as a unit of anything
[01:40:52] <andypugh> 7Nm is what they mean
[01:41:13] <andypugh> Which isn’t super tight for M6
[01:42:23] <Frank__10> 686 nm
[01:42:36] <Frank__10> = 70 kgf cm
[01:42:51] <andypugh> No, definitely not.
[01:42:56] <Frank__10> at least chart says that
[01:42:57] <Frank__10> lol
[01:43:13] <Frank__10> sory
[01:43:14] <Frank__10> N cm
[01:43:16] <Frank__10> Ncm
[01:43:29] <andypugh> 686 Nm is 4x what my largest torque wrench can do
[01:43:35] <TurBoss> Metric power!!! xD
[01:43:52] <Frank__10> heh
[01:44:11] <Frank__10> lets not get a rover in trouble again guys
[01:44:19] <TurBoss> :D
[01:44:27] <andypugh> kgf.cm is _not_ metric. It’s a horrible mix of confused units and deprecated prefixes
[01:45:10] <TurBoss> gn
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[01:45:23] <zeeshan|2> this frigging idiot makes me laugh
[01:45:30] <djdelorie> like attoparsecs per millifortnight ?
[01:45:57] <andypugh> I guess it could be hectopascals per litre :-)
[01:45:59] <Jymmm> djdelorie: An EARTH language if you please.
[01:46:17] <Frank__10> long story short, if my wrench is 12cm, pulling from the end, i have to divide the Ncm number by 12 right?
[01:46:32] <andypugh> Sorry, hectopascal-litres I mean.
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[01:47:22] <andypugh> Frank__10: What are you measuring force with>
[01:47:23] <HoloPed> Anyone know where I can find a ~3.5W diode laser module? Not L-Cheapo.
[01:47:29] <Frank__10> hand
[01:47:30] <Frank__10> :D
[01:47:44] <andypugh> Are you huge and strong or small and weak?
[01:48:02] <Sync> andypugh: jumped on the lathe regrind yet ;)
[01:48:15] <Frank__10> i was thinking of using a spring with kg marks
[01:48:22] <andypugh> Sync: Last time I put it back together it seemed strangely better.
[01:48:26] <Frank__10> middle?
[01:48:31] <zeeshan|2> http://www.teamscream.net/pics/RSTi/engine/torque-plate/2inch-final/IMG_2394.jpg
[01:48:33] <zeeshan|2> this guy makes me laugh
[01:48:33] <Frank__10> so, none of those
[01:48:36] <Frank__10> :D
[01:48:40] <zeeshan|2> he charges 400 bux for these plates
[01:48:49] <zeeshan|2> thinks hes making some crazy aerospace product
[01:48:50] <zeeshan|2> :p
[01:49:09] <Sync> you are still spending time with that shiet?
[01:49:14] <gregcnc> if people pay does it matter?
[01:49:17] <Sync> just make your own :P
[01:49:17] <andypugh> Frank__10: If you have a nut and a bolt spare, just get a feel for where the nut strips the thread, and stop half-way to there
[01:49:22] <zeeshan|2> i made my own
[01:49:29] <zeeshan|2> it took 2 hours of my time
[01:49:36] <zeeshan|2> and 29 dollars in material
[01:49:53] <Duc> freaking mill computer finally shit the bed
[01:49:53] <Sync> get a kuka and zero clamp system ;)
[01:49:58] <zeeshan|2> im just pissed off at the guy
[01:50:06] <zeeshan|2> cause i asked him for dimensions for his plate thinking he might help
[01:50:10] <Sync> and sell them for 399
[01:50:12] <zeeshan|2> save me 45 min of messing around measuring shit
[01:50:19] <Frank__10> thanks andy
[01:50:22] <zeeshan|2> he responds back with "LOL fuck off"
[01:50:32] <zeeshan|2> so i started a war with him
[01:50:36] <zeeshan|2> im undercutting his price
[01:50:36] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:50:46] <zeeshan|2> and selling em for 150
[01:50:49] <gregcnc> whats so complicated about it that you needed to ask for dims?
[01:50:57] <Sync> kek
[01:51:01] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: i didnt have the engine in front of me at the time
[01:51:03] <zeeshan|2> it was inside the car
[01:51:18] <zeeshan|2> so i couldnt measure the bolt pattern
[01:51:21] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: Step back and walk away. You can’t win a war on the internet, and will not increase your net happiness by trying.
[01:51:23] <zeeshan|2> didn't really trust the new head gasket
[01:51:43] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: to me i won because i got the satisfaction of selling 3 of them
[01:51:46] <zeeshan|2> =D
[01:51:53] <Frank__10> lol
[01:51:58] <Frank__10> what are they?
[01:52:03] <zeeshan|2> theyre torque plates
[01:52:06] <zeeshan|2> to simulate an engine head
[01:52:13] <zeeshan|2> to distort your cylinder bores for machining
[01:52:15] <zeeshan|2> and measuring
[01:52:39] <Frank__10> o.O
[01:53:05] <zeeshan|2> i think i need to send this guy a video of the 5 axis cnc mill running on linuxcnc
[01:53:39] <Frank__10> the cinci?
[01:53:42] <zeeshan|2> ya
[01:53:45] <andypugh> I wonder how much difference it all makes, really?
[01:53:53] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: a lot
[01:53:53] <Frank__10> is it yours?
[01:54:00] <zeeshan|2> Frank__10: i wish
[01:54:09] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: bore out of roundness spec is 0.0004"
[01:54:10] <Frank__10> andy, ur the one selling them for 400
[01:54:19] <andypugh> You would, ideally, machine the cylinders with realiistic temperature gradients.
[01:54:22] <zeeshan|2> when you torque the plate down
[01:54:42] <zeeshan|2> the pin direction expands by 0.0004
[01:54:58] <zeeshan|2> and the thrust direction expands by 0.0013
[01:55:02] <zeeshan|2> on my engine at least
[01:55:16] <zeeshan|2> its not the temp gradients youre simulatring though
[01:55:20] <andypugh> Frank__10: No, mine cost $800, and even then you need to bribe me with chocolate to make one.
[01:55:31] <zeeshan|2> think of a cylinder of rubber
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[01:55:41] <zeeshan|2> when you compress it, it bulges out
[01:55:49] <Frank__10> lol
[01:55:56] <zeeshan|2> something similar happens when you torque a head to a wobbly aluminum block
[01:55:58] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: I always think of metal as rubber.
[01:56:12] <zeeshan|2> it isnt as big of a problem on iron blockjs :P
[01:56:15] <zeeshan|2> long live steel!
[01:56:20] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: me too :P
[01:56:31] <Frank__10> well, when i finish my cnc, i could make u guys one of wood, for $1000, u see, wood is exotic..
[01:56:32] <Sync> get steel cylinder sleeves .P
[01:56:39] <zeeshan|2> it has steel cy sleeves
[01:56:41] <zeeshan|2> but the block is al
[01:56:46] <Sync> ah
[01:56:55] <Sync> I thought they were full al
[01:57:04] <Sync> with nikasil and stuff
[01:57:04] <zeeshan|2> nah
[01:57:20] <gregcnc> still not too many alusil blocks out there
[01:57:33] <Tom_itx> moral of the story: don't piss off zeeshan|2
[01:57:38] <andypugh> But I also know that temperature gradients in running engines can be huge, and probably couse more distortion than bolt clamping loads. Part of my job involves running engnes with lots of embedded thermoucouples all over the head and block
[01:57:42] <zeeshan|2> haha tom
[01:57:55] <zeeshan|2> i am a firm believer in being nice to people
[01:58:03] <zeeshan|2> as long as thjey are being nice to you :p
[01:58:12] <zeeshan|2> i havent mastered "be nice to people when they're being mean to you"
[01:58:15] <zeeshan|2> i need to get older and wiser
[01:58:28] <Tom_itx> naw, it just gets worse
[01:58:28] <Frank__10> when u get the secret, tell me
[01:58:32] <Frank__10> lol
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[01:58:36] <andypugh> older is unavoidable, wiser is optional
[01:58:38] <gregcnc> so when the next guy come along and seays zee your toq plates cost to much you'll just give him dimensions?
[01:58:48] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: yes
[01:58:53] <zeeshan|2> ill even give them the cad model
[01:59:03] <zeeshan|2> as long as they mention they want to use it for themself
[01:59:06] <Frank__10> this is the power of linux (?)
[01:59:12] <zeeshan|2> this isn't a complicated part
[01:59:13] <gregcnc> to spite the 400$ guy
[01:59:15] <zeeshan|2> that requires brain power
[01:59:26] <zeeshan|2> if it was some complex part, i wouldn't be asking to begin with
[01:59:54] <Sync> gregcnc: a lot of newer audis and bmws run them
[01:59:57] <gregcnc> i dont ask for simple parts either
[02:00:03] <gregcnc> yes i know
[02:00:19] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: like i said engine was in the car at the time :P
[02:00:30] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: He has presumaby done some measurement/research of bolt patterns. It might be reaonable to pay for his largely-amortised time.
[02:00:31] <gregcnc> OK
[02:00:42] <zeeshan|2> i offerred him money
[02:00:53] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 where is the engine now? next to the subaru engine?
[02:01:03] <zeeshan|2> one of the engines is in the scrap bin
[02:01:05] <zeeshan|2> the other is on the stand
[02:01:10] <zeeshan|2> waiting for an oil pump
[02:01:51] <zeeshan|2> all my flange models are publically available gregcnc btw
[02:02:04] <gregcnc> flange?
[02:02:06] <zeeshan|2> yes
[02:02:09] <zeeshan|2> for exhaus tmanifolds and stuff
[02:03:02] <zeeshan|2> ls1, 13b , 4g64, 4g69, gt35r outlet, t3 inlet, t31 outlet
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[02:05:00] <zeeshan|2> [21:52:29] <zeeshan|2> and measuring
[02:05:01] <zeeshan|2> err
[02:05:04] <zeeshan|2> http://www.shop.biggatortools.com/STI-UNC-V-TapGuide-STI-UNC100SNP-STI-UNC100SNP.htm;jsessionid=0FAB57374A16CB0B2C80909E467EAFB3.m1plqscsfapp02
[02:05:07] <zeeshan|2> i bought this
[02:05:12] <zeeshan|2> i dont know how this guy makes these for 28$
[02:05:15] <zeeshan|2> they are so WELL made
[02:05:51] <gregcnc> PM?
[02:06:04] <zeeshan|2> PM?
[02:06:14] <andypugh> AM here :-)
[02:06:37] <andypugh> 3AM. Time to sleep
[02:07:43] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: Aye, I wouldn’t bother making those for $28.
[02:07:53] <zeeshan|2> yes
[02:08:06] <andypugh> I would rather spend the time reading a book or something.
[02:08:28] <zeeshan|2> in the holes
[02:08:32] <zeeshan|2> you don't see any marks.
[02:08:45] <zeeshan|2> these guys i think tumbled them or something
[02:08:53] <gregcnc> powdered metal?
[02:08:56] <zeeshan|2> and my file seems to skip on it
[02:09:03] <zeeshan|2> it could be actually
[02:09:11] <gregcnc> looks like to me
[02:09:41] <andypugh> Yeah, powder-met seems likely. A lot of clamping sets are
[02:10:04] <zeeshan|2> its pretty hard
[02:10:07] <zeeshan|2> the file does touch it
[02:10:11] <zeeshan|2> but has a hard time
[02:11:17] <andypugh> Anyway, sleep time
[02:11:20] <zeeshan|2> gnite
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[02:30:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/STI-UNC100SNP-STI-TAP-GUIDE-/281940181579 on ebay
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[02:31:24] <CaptHindsight> don't try and get around their patent by selling something with a bunch of holes in it
[02:32:54] <Jymmm> Lifetime warranty.
[02:33:16] <zeeshan|2> i wouldnt really complain
[02:33:17] <zeeshan|2> its so cheap :P
[02:33:28] <zeeshan|2> that's american ingenuity
[02:33:37] <zeeshan|2> making quality products for the best buck.
[02:33:41] <the_qyd> Hey, I configured a motor in Stepconf and it can jog but I can't jog it in Axis. Does anybody know what could be wrong?
[02:33:49] <zeeshan|2> we lack that now, thanks to assholes charging 400 for a plate :p
[02:34:29] <the_qyd> *I can jog it in Stepconf, but not inside the Axis GUI.
[02:34:31] <zeeshan|2> maybe estop? :P
[02:35:41] <the_qyd> I checked and I estop isn't on.
[02:36:00] <pink_vampire> play?.
[02:36:03] <CaptHindsight> who stocks big hand tap handles?
[02:36:23] <pink_vampire> send a print screen
[02:36:24] <CaptHindsight> saw one at ACE HW earlier for $30 looked like for up to 1"
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[02:37:32] <pink_vampire> sand blast box is a good idea for making finish for parts?
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[02:37:58] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: I just ordered one
[02:38:12] <zeeshan|2> sae?
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[02:38:31] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: if it doesn't work I'll send it to you in a box of ferrets
[02:38:34] <zeeshan|2> lol
[02:38:39] <zeeshan|2> it works well man
[02:38:40] <CaptHindsight> yeah SAE
[02:38:40] <zeeshan|2> i use it all the time
[02:38:52] <zeeshan|2> no more having to drill a hole in a block of random aluminum anymore
[02:39:16] <zeeshan|2> i actually used it as a drill guide the other day
[02:39:20] <zeeshan|2> to drill out a broken stud
[02:39:47] <CaptHindsight> what I really need is one that will drill and tap when I'm away :)
[02:40:38] <pink_vampire> sand blast box is a good idea for making finish for parts?
[02:40:40] <pink_vampire> sand blast box is a good idea for making finish for parts?
[02:40:47] <pink_vampire> someone?
[02:41:06] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: that would be your kid(s)
[02:43:09] <the_qyd> I've been trying to jog the motor in Axis, but it's not moving or anything.
[02:43:16] <the_qyd> It's supposed to move.
[02:43:58] <pink_vampire> the_qyd: you can sen us a picture of the screen?
[02:47:26] <the_qyd> Okay, brb.
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[03:04:27] <TurBoss> Hi
[03:04:36] <TurBoss> Ive built LinuxCNC from sources
[03:04:46] <TurBoss> and setup it to run in place
[03:05:08] <TurBoss> now I'm trying to run tcl sim examples but it throws me an error
[03:05:57] <TurBoss> http://dpaste.com/0V78VBC
[03:06:06] <TurBoss> require Linuxcnc
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[03:09:32] <TurBoss> I simply switched the Display to axis and worked XD
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[03:17:12] <the_qyd> Here you go <pink_vampire>: http://picpaste.com/pics/axis-vbAlS7Ea.1459566908.png
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[03:21:13] <minibnz> argh... i just put the computer back together for my mill.. and it refuses to power up when its installed in the mill cabinet.. been working flawlessly out on the bench.. now it refuses to boot.. looks like i am going to have to replace the motherboard.. which really pisses me off cuz i just had it out...
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[03:44:16] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: yeah
[03:44:24] <XXCoder> depending on what you want really
[03:44:35] <XXCoder> there is varied paricle matter for blasting
[03:44:40] <XXCoder> from walnuts to sand
[03:55:17] <the_qyd> has anyone ever experienced something like this?
[03:55:59] <the_qyd> where the motor could be jogged in stepconf but doesn't move at all in axis?
[03:56:06] <the_qyd> i'm baffled
[03:57:20] <the_qyd> Is the mach3 any more reliable?
[03:57:30] <the_qyd> does anyone know?\
[04:00:11] <zeeshan|2> is that a joke
[04:00:20] <djdelorie> stupid question: is linuxcnc using the same config as stepconf?
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[04:08:24] <minibnz> XXCoder do not use normal SAND for blasting.. it causes silicosis of the lungs if you breath it in.. stick to garnet or welding slag or walnuts for the fragile stuff..
[04:09:17] <XXCoder> should be fine if its in sealex box though
[04:10:06] <minibnz> yeah in a chamber its ok.. but if you are out in the open or in a blasting tent avoid the sand.. welding slag does a much better job than sand and is cheaper than the garnet grits you can get.
[04:13:11] <XXCoder> heard walnuts is great stuff
[04:13:19] <XXCoder> as long as not allegric to tree nut anyway
[04:13:47] <XXCoder> also, on your computer
[04:13:51] <XXCoder> you sure its gettinjg power?
[04:14:22] <minibnz> yeah the walnut is realy good for fragile/thin metals it doesnt heat up the panel so you dont get any deforming.
[04:14:47] <minibnz> yeah it was getting power... i have replaced the motherboard with the same model and now it boots up..
[04:15:14] <XXCoder> sucks
[04:15:15] <minibnz> i had a spare just for that purpose. when i claimed the board from work i grabbed two. starting to think i should have grabbed three :_
[04:15:44] <minibnz> :) as i had promised that to my mate who needs a board with real serial ports for his FAUNC based beast he is getting replaired.
[04:15:48] <evil_ren> guys any known issues with gecko 540?
[04:16:22] <minibnz> evil i have only heard good things about them but i dont know much :)
[04:16:23] <evil_ren> like secret issues that only you know which are not on the google
[04:16:34] <evil_ren> right, ive only heard happy things
[04:17:02] <minibnz> i think pink_vampire is using those in her mill. maybe she has some info?
[04:17:10] <evil_ren> i was maybe going to buy a driver box with psu and gecko 540 from the dude i got the first xylotex controller from
[04:17:19] <minibnz> oh no she is running servos...
[04:17:24] <evil_ren> shits lasted 10 years, seems to do decent work
[04:17:49] <evil_ren> yeah i dont want to mess with servos
[04:18:36] <evil_ren> machine does well open loop, i just want to replace 1/4 blown xylotex and up stepper size
[04:18:39] <minibnz> personnally i am using a TB6560 5 axis board. i think i have a problem with missed steps on the A axis due to the opto couplers being of the slow type..
[04:18:52] <evil_ren> oh, that sucks
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[04:18:55] <minibnz> ahh i see.. upgrades are always good.
[04:19:04] <evil_ren> i also like the gecko because it does microstepping on its own
[04:19:11] <evil_ren> like, for smoothness instead of resolution
[04:19:42] <evil_ren> with microstepping on the xylotex, i have to step faster proportional to microstep divider
[04:19:53] <minibnz> yeah i was talking with mattymatt in the reprap channel and he had the same problems on his printer, so he recomends removing the opto's and bypassing the.. the problem is that the Axis stepper can spin faster than the other axis..
[04:19:56] <evil_ren> i dont need more than .00025 steps
[04:20:38] <minibnz> heheh thats pretty fine... at work we have these stepper drivers that support 256 microsteps we are unsing that to control a mirror in front of a camera.
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[04:22:12] <minibnz> i was quite surprised that they could microstep it that fine..
[04:22:54] <minibnz> i am going to buy a mesa card and add encoders to all my axis when i get paid next.. god i hate monthly pay.
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[04:25:26] <evil_ren> 256 microsteps is cool if its generating the extra steps
[04:26:29] <minibnz> oh no our micro has to generate them all.. turns out to be something like 104k steps per revolution.. the encoders we have cant keep up with that resolution.
[04:27:15] <minibnz> we are tempted to add a belt drive for the encoder
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[04:28:19] <evil_ren> you cant turn the microstepping down?
[04:28:32] <minibnz> no we need the accuracy
[04:28:38] <evil_ren> oh that sucks
[04:29:14] <minibnz> yeah i think they are going to test it out open loop, just with start and stop limit switches and see how it goes.
[04:30:25] <minibnz> the load on the stepeper is minimal so we only have to really worry about external vibrations moving the mirror, and to compensate for that we have a brake on teh stepper to hold it in place
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[04:48:41] <minibnz> oh this is shit... installed new motherboard, tested it on the bench and it booted up fine.. installed it onto the mill and connected up the steppers now it wont boot...
[04:49:16] <minibnz> i know it has power i meassured it.. i have a sepperate power supply for the steppers.. i really dont understand this...
[04:49:47] <minibnz> ih ave unlugeed all the cards that are not required and it still wont boot up.. :( really not happy jan...
[04:49:58] <SpeedEvil> Nothing shorted?
[04:50:03] <SpeedEvil> how's it mounted?
[04:50:22] <minibnz> nope.. its mounted on standoffs inside a metal box..
[04:51:04] <minibnz> the voltages are all good i have measured it is 12v. i even stuck the CRO on there to check to see if its dropping out but nothing shows up.. still 12v..
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[04:52:18] <minibnz> and it worked fine on the bench installed in the box. all i did between then and now is move the box into the mill cabinet and connect the steppers and LCD screen.. but i have discconected all that and it refuses to boot up.
[04:53:13] <minibnz> i know two motherboards with the same symptoms means its probably not the boards that are the problem but nothing chnaged from when it worked to now when it dont... same power supply same cables..
[04:53:51] <minibnz> all the mounting screws are tight and i have everything unlpuugged thats not absolutely nessacary.. ie only a screen and a keyboard connected and now it still wont boot up..
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[04:56:06] <SpeedEvil> swarf?
[04:56:18] <XXCoder> chips
[04:56:20] <minibnz> from what ?
[04:56:25] <minibnz> where? how?
[04:56:36] <SpeedEvil> dunno
[04:56:36] <minibnz> havent turned the mill on cux the MB wont boot.
[04:56:59] <minibnz> the only thing i can think of is that the bios batrery is flat.. im going to go buy one BBL
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[04:57:37] <minibnz> i measured it with the DMM and it read 2.7v
[04:58:02] <SpeedEvil> If it's a lithium cell, it should be around 3.2V or so full
[04:58:12] <SpeedEvil> 2.7 is still 50% from memory
[04:58:12] <minibnz> its a 2032
[04:58:21] <SpeedEvil> yeah
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[05:18:48] <minibnz> well thats was pointless..
[05:18:51] <minibnz> no change...
[05:19:01] <minibnz> the fans just spin and thats it.. no beep no booting...
[05:27:52] <minibnz> ARGH!!!!! now i am going to have to install a totally different motherboard in to my box.. now mounting holes and everything has to come out again... this is pissin me off...
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[05:42:07] <minibnz> oh man... now its working again and i changed nothing.. this worries me more than it not working.. all i want it to know its going to work.. dont like the chance it wont work...
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[06:02:58] <minibnz> ok thats five cold boots in a row.. i think the solar flare has passed..
[06:03:24] <minibnz> thats my thoery im going with for now...
[06:09:51] <minibnz> oh man.. now my PCI par port card is not responding.. WTF
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[06:23:00] <minibnz> yup my mill is dead... at least until i get a new PCI card.. have to wait until pay day then i will get me a mesa card.. :(
[06:23:27] <minibnz> it refuses to power up with the pci card connected..
[06:25:37] <minibnz> thats just depressing...
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[06:26:45] <minibnz> and i have a big lump of aluminium 25mm thick that i need to mill out a huge section out of.. this is going to take ages.. i really wish the CNC part is working....
[06:29:53] <minibnz> guess i had better start or i will never finish it.
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[06:59:18] <SpeedEvil> jigsaw?
[06:59:31] <SpeedEvil> Or do you actually mean non-through
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[07:03:04] <minibnz> its thru but i dont have a jigsaw..
[07:04:25] <minibnz> i think i have a little progress on the par port card. i pulled the pci extension cable out and checked it out and found a broken wire from me fuxing with it too much.. so i repaired that and now its reporting that one parralel port is not found. i think this motherboard has loaded the card up with a different address so i am trying to work out how to find the new addresses
[07:05:01] <minibnz> i was using 0xb000 out 0xb200 out but that fails.. if i remove the 0x0b000 and change it to 0xb100 it loads emc..
[07:05:11] <minibnz> so i am looking into wtf went on with that..
[07:05:51] <minibnz> in theory if one port is working i can still mill under cnc just cant use all the optionals i have hanging off the other port..
[07:07:15] <SpeedEvil> chain drilling can work well
[07:07:46] <minibnz> i am tempted with starting off chain drilling and then mill whats left..
[07:08:07] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[07:08:26] <SpeedEvil> I suppose CNC pilot holes for chain drilling could work very well
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[07:11:48] <Deejay> moin
[07:11:59] <minibnz> ok looks like the par ports are on 0xa100 and 0xa200 now..
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[07:19:07] <minibnz> actuall its 0xa000 and 0xa200 but now when i try that it tells me the resource is busy..
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[07:24:41] <minibnz> ok my mill is alive!!!! i dont understand why a differnet motherboard (excatly the same model) would load the pci bus up with a different address..
[07:25:02] <minibnz> maybe its cuz i removed the mini-pci wifi card?
[07:26:22] <minibnz> guess i should now put the box back in to the cabinet cross my fingers and toes and power it back up .. its sorta in the cabinet just not up on the hooks
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[07:37:09] <minibnz> ok its on its hooks now will it still work.. everytime i have hung it up today something has complained..
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[07:37:36] <miss0r> good morning
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[07:37:44] <minibnz> monaing..
[07:39:06] <minibnz> now i might be able to finish my belt drive conversion for the mill.. i have the pulleys and belt just gotta mount the motor..
[07:39:42] <miss0r> minibnz, pictures or it didn't happen
[07:39:46] <minibnz> heheheh
[07:40:33] <minibnz> oh i have had real problems with this thing today.. had to install new motherboard. then repair the pci extension cable.. no time for photos..
[07:40:55] <minibnz> but yeah i might take a few snaps of this block getting milled out and the install.
[07:41:59] <miss0r> I do enjoy a good production video
[07:42:40] <miss0r> But I mustadmit, I SUCK at doing them myselv. I usualy get bored holding the camera after 10-30 seconds of photage. doesn't make for a great video
[07:45:20] <miss0r> yesterday I went ahead and bought a FH 0.01mm 3D taster dial. i've always wanted one of thoes, now I have it :D
[07:49:53] <minibnz> nice..
[07:50:46] <minibnz> yeah i suck at videos too.. i will try and do some once the mill is fully setup. i have a heap of USB cameras that i will setup in the cabinet to make vids with..
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[08:09:28] <miss0r> what mill are you converting by the way?
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[08:27:27] <minibnz> its a sieg X2 its a mini mill... has a X bed that can do about 250mm and y travel of about 150mm and z is something like 300mm travel.
[08:28:50] <minibnz> i just fly cut a face of this block and it came out really nice except for the end, i forgot to take up the backlash in the Z axis before tried adjusting the z height under CNC and it took a big gouge out of the end of the block where it tried to lower the head 1.85mm then the .15mm that i actually asked for..
[08:29:21] <minibnz> i have ball screws on X & Y and they are soooooo nice comparred to the old original leadscrews..
[08:29:54] <minibnz> the finish on this part is realll nice.. lucky that the gouge that i just made will be take up when i dress the ends..
[08:30:11] <minibnz> well at least most of the gouge will be cleaned up..
[08:31:29] <minibnz> actuallty this face needs to go down another 1.65mm and the gouge is only 1.45 deep (where i can measure) so i might be lucky and it wont show up in the end product at all..
[08:32:08] <minibnz> but cuz my mill decided to drop its head the motor controller cut out but not after the swivelling vice tilted and now needs to be reset..
[08:32:28] <minibnz> this block is about 20mm too long for my mill to clear the fly cutter at both ends...
[08:32:47] <minibnz> i have the fly cutter set to the smallest diameter possible
[08:33:59] <minibnz> my biggest problem now is that the bench the mill is floating on is starting to collapse due to the wieght of the mill.. so now the cabinet wont stay shut and keep the swarfe in.. its going everywhere...
[08:36:06] <minibnz> i have to take 5mm off each side of this block so its the right size..
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[08:53:14] <minibnz> it was not the backlash that was the problem.. it was that i had the stepper current set to the lowest setting so it did not have enough torque to hold the head up against the force of the fly cutter pullling into the job peice..
[08:54:29] <miss0r> is'nt a fly cutter a bit hard on a mini mill ? :S
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[09:23:43] <minibnz> yeah its the smallest fly cutter i have ever seen.. i call it my fruit fly cutter.. it has a head about 16mm round and the smallest i can set it to is 28mm diameter... i have installed steel gears and dont take big cuts.. and i get a nice finish :)
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[09:26:28] <minibnz> the luser manual says it can handle a 30mm face cutter while not quite the same its similar..
[09:27:21] <minibnz> the plasitc gears didnt like the fly cutter.. it made all sorts of noises.. i thought i had chipped a tooth off but once i purchased the steel gears i found the plasitc gears were fine..
[09:28:03] <minibnz> and now i am removing the steel gears in favor of a belt drive. but its ok i have a mate who has the same mill i can swap him that for some of the goodies he has..
[09:42:12] <minibnz> what i will say is that the fly cutter is probably a little too big for it still, only because it has the habbit of knocking my post off from being perpendicular to the bed.
[09:42:45] <minibnz> as a canary i have a digital angle meter that i use to square up the post, i keep that turned on while fly cutting so i can see when things have moved..
[09:43:16] <minibnz> and periodicly i check that the vice is still square but that requires me to take the job out first..
[09:44:11] <archivist> you have the lilting column?
[09:46:05] <archivist> like this one....http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_mill/Reviews/sieg_sx2/sx2.htm
[09:47:29] <minibnz> my mill is the same but has a smaller motor 500w DC.. the one you linked to has a brushless DC of 800w i think..
[09:47:44] <minibnz> and yeah the post tilts..
[09:48:12] <minibnz> trying to work out a way that i can make it tilt under CNC control. then i might not have to worry about it moving..
[09:48:27] <archivist> use a longer spanner to tighten that nut :)
[09:49:05] <minibnz> well here in lies the problem.. when i tighten it up the post moves..
[09:49:13] <archivist> I had to get brutal on a chinese junk machine I had years ago
[09:49:40] <minibnz> ie i set it so the angle indicator reads 90' then as i am tightening it it shifts 0.1' one way or the other..
[09:50:21] <minibnz> i saw that people have been adding grease to the locking washer in an attempt to stop that but it sounds wrong to me to add grease to a locking mechaisim
[09:50:53] <archivist> you could do what browns & sharpe did in the 30's, they added 45 degree straps with slots to hold stuff in place
[09:52:06] <minibnz> that could be a solution.. but honestly i havent needed it to be tilted yet.. i have thought up a few cases where i might need to tilt the head but havent needed to yet.
[09:53:06] <archivist> I am thinking you would use the straps to keep it vertical
[09:53:10] <minibnz> im wondering if i had two linear actuators one on each side of the post, and once set have them both set to hold against each other.. that way i could vary it under software and keep it in place
[09:54:11] <minibnz> yeah the other problem is that would require a anchor point.. my mill is sorta floating inside the cabinet at the moment.. its mounted to a base plate but thats not bolted down, didn;t want to have to try and seal those holes off from the coolant
[09:55:11] <minibnz> this can all be sorted out with time i am sure. its just not at the top of my list at the moment.. gotta finish the belt drive so i can complete my auto tool changer..
[09:55:50] <minibnz> still not too sure of how many tools i should make it hold.. i am lazy and tool holders are pretty cheap..
[09:56:05] <minibnz> i think its going to be more than 10 but less than 20 tools..
[09:56:36] <minibnz> 18 seems like a nice easy number, 20' per tool. :)
[09:57:11] <archivist> long bit of angle iron under the base, straps to top rear of column
[09:57:23] <minibnz> i have a 18tool pallet drawn up but i think its going to be hell to manufacuter
[09:57:48] <minibnz> yeah i saw that some people have been just adding a plate that braces the post in the vertical position.
[09:58:05] <minibnz> they had angle at the bottom to spread the loads.
[09:59:40] <minibnz> maybe rather than straps i could use a turnbuckle.. (you know those big eye bolts that have left and right thread that truckers use to tighten chains
[10:02:28] <archivist> I added stiffness to my column with angle to the base, effectively a larger rectangle form
[10:07:48] <minibnz> ahh i see..
[10:09:34] <minibnz> i can feel the heat building up in the cabinet.. the head is not hot/warm and the job peice is not hot either.. not sure if its just the steppers putting out the heat or if its the driver putting out the heat.. i know the PC/driver box gets warm cuz i had to add a second fan to keep it cool enough to run :)
[10:18:41] <minibnz> the fly cutter is ripping thur the ally happily at 0.5mm cut by 25mm wide at 100mm/min
[10:20:01] <minibnz> still not sure how fast i can push the mill with the ball screws installed but its at least twice as fast as the old leadscrews even with the loss of mechanical advantage.. old screws were 1.5mm/rev max speed was 45mm/min now with 5mm/rev ballscrews i am ripping along at 100mm.min
[10:22:48] <minibnz> i probably could have drove to my mates place used his big mill to rip this block down and made it back in less time than this has taken me so far on my mini mill.. he has a nice big heirless mill that he got for $100.. one of his job sites upgraded it and was gonna turf it for scrap.. they replaced it with a halfco heap.. the heirless is rock solid and way better than the halfco..
[10:58:06] <minibnz> ok so now the outside of my ally block is the right size i can start to holow it out...now thats going to take some time..
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[11:09:26] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[11:37:21] <minibnz> i have to setup my coolant resivour again.. the other day when my bench started to fall over i had to take that out before it was crushed and leaked into the downstairs apartment.. but to hollow out this 25mm block i am going to need coolant to shift the chips out of the hole..
[11:37:45] <__rob2> always wondered why you couldn't have a right angled section from the top of the column to the front of the table, to give a 'complete square' section holding up the head, would surely be way more rigid than just a vertical column, especially on this like that sig mini mill
[11:39:11] <__rob2> so the head was basically held up by a square section rather then an L
[11:40:08] <minibnz> hmmm wouldnt that get in the way of operating the mill? it would get in the way of the Y axis handles..
[11:40:31] <__rob2> well you could have them on the outside of it
[11:40:44] <__rob2> maybe on manual it might be annoying
[11:40:46] <__rob2> but on CNC
[11:41:10] <minibnz> my cnc setup has been designed to keep the handles in place so i can hand crank when i wants to..
[11:41:32] <minibnz> but i seem to be the only person that likes to hand craft a part everynow and again..
[11:42:20] <__rob2> can just use the keyboard no ?
[11:42:45] <__rob2> guess if you have backlash from leadscrews, you need the feel
[11:42:51] <minibnz> i find the handles to be usefull, as i am not a qualified machinist i dont know exactly how hard i can drive a cutter on my mill. so i like to make a pass by hand to see what speeds i can expect the CNC side of things can do..
[11:43:39] <minibnz> yeah could use the keyboard but it doesnt give me the feedback i need. maybe later once i know what im doing it will not use the handles..
[11:44:07] <minibnz> and now i dont have any backlash cuz i installed ballscrews.. and oh my all the hard work was worth it..
[11:44:26] <__rob2> read a few things that basically concluded that leaving the handles was pointless as once people started using the cnc aspect they never touched them again
[11:44:34] <__rob2> and potential hazard if your cncing and something gets caught
[11:44:47] <minibnz> it took me a my mate 10hours to machine the screws and nuts so they woud fit in to my mill. now i owe him a automated/locking cat flap so he doesnt have to get up at 5am to let out the cat..
[11:45:04] <__rob2> rfid ones work pretty well
[11:45:21] <minibnz> it takes 2 secs to remove the handles i need to..
[11:45:40] <minibnz> yeah i was thinking about those but all he wants is a timer that unlocks it at 5am.
[11:46:13] <__rob2> easiest would be to get an existing one like sureflap or whatever and just swap out the board
[11:46:22] <minibnz> i might have to put a servo on there to train the cat so it knows the flap will open.. use the servo to pop it open a little bit until the cat knows its open at this time every morn.
[11:46:23] <__rob2> the one I have is a pic16 in there
[11:46:38] <__rob2> it just undoes a lock when the cat is nearby
[11:46:54] <__rob2> it doesn't actually open the flap
[11:46:59] <__rob2> cats figure it out pretty quick
[11:47:10] <minibnz> yeah i suggested that too him and he said he dont need all that just a timer to unlock it in the morn
[11:47:16] <__rob2> this guy had been an indoor one for 10 years before we got him. Figured it out in a bout 10 minutes
[11:47:59] <__rob2> yea, well just suggesting as a base the existing rfid ones would work. Prob pick one up on ebay, swap out the main board with your own and change it to be timer based
[11:48:18] <__rob2> got some pics somewhere of the inside of mine
[11:48:27] <minibnz> i have all the parts here to make a RFID enables flap.
[11:49:45] <minibnz> what i will probable do is make the flap work one way after a certain time so the cat can come in but not get out until the mornin..
[11:50:06] <__rob2> yea, this one has 2 locks for that
[11:50:11] <__rob2> and a night mode button
[11:51:35] <minibnz> this task kinda suck cuz i hate cats.. they are evil little creatures that kill for fun.. the only things that should kill for fun is humans cuz we have the ability to say hey we are running out of these we should lay off them for a bit to get their numbers up.. ( not that we do this but we have the ability whereas a cat will just kill for fun all day every day even if you feed the damn thing)
[11:52:07] <__rob2> lol, what nonsense
[11:53:15] <minibnz> that and they are an introuduced species in australia that are fuing up our native animals. they say the average house cat kills an average of 15 birds/animals a day.. they cant be eating all those..
[11:53:45] <minibnz> they should not be in austrialia..
[11:53:49] <__rob2> this one has only ever brought in 1 mouse
[11:53:59] <minibnz> and when i go hunting i love to nail every cat i see...
[11:53:59] <__rob2> pretty sure some other cat killed it
[11:54:45] <minibnz> yeah so not every single cat is like that but that just makes the ones that are that much worse.. they have to keep the average up :)
[11:56:01] <minibnz> the ferall cats here are nasty bastards... the CSIRO has just developed a 1080 bait that is for cats.. they are starting to drop them all over NSW
[11:56:59] <minibnz> they are going to start droping the baits in the rest of the country soon.. it will be good to get rid of as many as we can
[11:57:31] <minibnz> until now the cats would not touch the 1080 baits..
[11:58:21] <minibnz> im not a real fan of using baits as its a slow death for the animal, but when you cant get to them all with a gun or trap its the only way to make a real difference..
[12:00:46] <minibnz> we have a similar problem with cane toads. they have been searching for a poision that only hurts them, and they have a yearly competition to see who can build a better trap, one farmer setup a trough trap with a few led lights and he caught so many toads that he had to get a freezer shipping container to put them all in, they say freezing them is the best way to kill them, others just spray them with detol (its a brand of dissinfectant)
[12:00:46] <minibnz> and they roll over and die in mins..
[12:02:02] <minibnz> they have found a compund that stops them from breeding but the compund is made by the toads themselves so they have to catch a lot to make the stuff to kill them.. then they have to work out how to disperse it..
[12:02:29] <minibnz> compound^
[12:03:24] <minibnz> up in queensland the cops dont ticket you if you are sweving over the road running over the toads as long as you are doing it safley they dont fine ya..
[12:04:03] <minibnz> the locals take their kids out at night with cricket bats and smash them about..
[12:05:28] <minibnz> the crow(raven) is their only known predator.. they worked out that you turn them over and eat their guts.. so in Queensland you are not allowed to shoot the crows. rest of the country you are expected to shoot the crows as they will peck the eyes out of a sheep while its givving birth..
[12:29:02] <CaptHindsight> designer virus that targets only the toads DNA
[12:29:52] <zeeshan|2> mornin
[12:31:35] <minibnz> capthindsight, it turns out that the toads make this compound that keeps other toads from breading in the same pond/puddle of water.. so they are trying to work out how to get enough of it. no DNA targeting required the toads already do this for us just gota capture the compound and spread it around..
[12:32:39] <minibnz> the toads have made it from the east coast of queensland all the way up to darwin.. and they are killing heaps of animals including the corcodiles..
[12:33:10] <minibnz> they creat this poision on the backs of their shoulders that kill just about everything that consumes it..
[12:33:13] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: does Canada have a feral cat or toad problem or just moose?
[12:33:28] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: does usa have a trump problem? :)
[12:33:53] <CaptHindsight> yes
[12:33:57] <CaptHindsight> too many
[12:34:00] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[12:34:07] <zeeshan|2> whos bernie sanders
[12:34:15] <zeeshan|2> is he a republican
[12:34:15] <minibnz> heheh one day i am going to canada to shoot a moose and a squirrel. then i can have rocky and bullwinkle on my wall..
[12:34:30] <zeeshan|2> minibnz: you can hunt your own moose in usa!
[12:34:34] <minibnz> he is better than trump :)
[12:35:24] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: Bernie is a senator from Canada. He's a moderate so radical far left as viewed from the USA.
[12:35:25] <minibnz> yeah i could but im in australia.... i have a few relatives in canada, none in the states :)
[12:35:44] <zeeshan|2> hunt kangaroos
[12:35:46] <zeeshan|2> not our moose :{
[12:36:16] <zeeshan|2> i want to visit australia
[12:36:23] <zeeshan|2> but its on low priority since theyre pretty racist there against my kind
[12:36:24] <zeeshan|2> ;[
[12:36:26] <minibnz> hehehe i do hunt the kanagroos they taste nice :)
[12:36:31] <zeeshan|2> the outback looks beautiful
[12:36:32] <CaptHindsight> he also wants to build a wall to keep Trumps out of DC
[12:36:49] <minibnz> hehehehe
[12:37:26] <Tom_itx> beautiful but deadly
[12:37:37] <minibnz> yeah the outback is pretty... but also damn deadly for about 8months of the year.. if its not the blistering heat its the wet season (only two out there hot and wet)
[12:38:07] <Tom_itx> what part are you in?
[12:38:14] <minibnz> dont stress about the critters that you hear about they leave you alone if you leave them alone :)
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[12:38:22] <minibnz> im in sydney
[12:38:40] <zeeshan|2> ive heard some horror stories about brown people getting beat up
[12:38:41] <CaptHindsight> isn't Valen from your next of the woods?
[12:38:41] <zeeshan|2> :P
[12:38:45] <minibnz> and make it a habbit to get out west as far as i can at least once a year..
[12:38:48] <CaptHindsight> next/neck
[12:38:58] <zeeshan|2> minibnz: like to perth?
[12:39:08] <minibnz> Zeeshan|2 as in indians yeah that shits pretty bad..
[12:39:23] <CaptHindsight> do dingo's still steal babies?
[12:39:41] <zeeshan|2> i was hoping to go to kakadu national park area
[12:39:56] <minibnz> i have been to every state and teritory except for the northen teritory.. thats where kakadu is..
[12:40:15] <minibnz> Capt' yeah if you leave them out unattended..
[12:40:31] <Tom_itx> isn't the north newqueensland?
[12:40:49] <zeeshan|2> tom
[12:40:51] <zeeshan|2> early riser
[12:41:31] <minibnz> Zeeshan|2 as far as i know the indian bashing was pretty limited to melbourne.. down south..
[12:42:12] <CaptHindsight> I heard that they don't like the aboriginals down there either
[12:43:01] <minibnz> tom the north has three sections east middle and west.. and i am pretty sure queensland (north east) doesnt want to claim the northern teritory (middle) and western asutralia is big enough..
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[12:44:59] <Tom_itx> isn't the middle where all the mines are?
[12:45:25] <CaptHindsight> minibnz: how unsettling is it to have those threatening Indonesians so close?
[12:45:55] <minibnz> the mines are all across the top end.. unranium in the middle metals to the east and west..
[12:46:08] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: I think that they sold all those to the Chinese
[12:46:22] <minibnz> its a bit worrying mainly due to their sheer numbers..
[12:46:48] <minibnz> not all the mines have been sold to them yet.... soon though..
[12:47:01] <CaptHindsight> how come you don't have 8 child per family policy?
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[12:48:41] <CaptHindsight> I looked into moving to Melbourne ~15 years ago
[12:48:42] <minibnz> CAPT' its not that we dont like the aboriginals (i have a few as good mates) its more that we just dont know how to help them the best.. we gave them money and built them houses where they wanted to live but they got bored and just get drunk and high.. then they tried taking their kids away but that didnt work out so they gave them more money and new houses and that didnt work.. now we are all dumbfounded as to how to help them reach t
[12:48:42] <minibnz> heir full potential..
[12:49:08] <CaptHindsight> thats what I've heard
[12:49:12] <CaptHindsight> sad
[12:49:22] <minibnz> Capt' they have been incouraging people to multiply.. they give every woman $5000 when the child is born to help with that...
[12:50:03] <Tom_itx> that sounds like a familiar story
[12:50:05] <CaptHindsight> minibnz: we just killed most of our native people, the rest now have casinos
[12:51:22] <minibnz> yeah it is sad.. we have tried all sorts of things but it doesnt seem to help much, its getting pretty bad in some areas, the aboriginal elders are going to the extremes of banning alcohol in some towns.. so they have to driver 150km to get a case of beer.. making it too $$$$$ to get drunk so they just brew their own.
[12:51:32] <CaptHindsight> then Australia seems to be adopting/testing even more draconian anti-privacy laws than the US
[12:52:06] <minibnz> it helps a little but not as much as they would like.. the big problem is that while the adults are all drunk and high the kids dont go to school so the pattern repeats over and over..
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[12:53:49] <CaptHindsight> have to find a way for them to feel the need to be a part of things
[12:53:52] <minibnz> Capt' we are apart of the five eyes.. and we have pine gap up the top.. thats where the eschalon system is based, we spy on your citz and you spy on our citz, and then share the data, that way both govts can say we dont spy on our ppls.. its pretty screwed up..
[12:54:09] <CaptHindsight> yup
[12:55:01] <CaptHindsight> pretty paranoid bunch
[12:55:10] <minibnz> a good portion of the aboriginals are contributing to society its not all of them just sitting about.. but they are still a minority group within their group..
[12:55:47] * Valen is in sydney CaptHindsight / minibnz
[12:55:52] <minibnz> then there is all the corruption that went on with the aboriginal council, it was run by elder aboriginals but they just pilfered the $$$
[12:56:03] <minibnz> yeah im in sydnet
[12:56:11] <minibnz> sydney. capt's in the USA
[12:57:00] <CaptHindsight> I'm hoping that someday the mothership will return for me and restore my memories
[12:57:23] <CaptHindsight> and send me back to my planet
[12:58:09] <minibnz> hehehe
[12:58:26] <CaptHindsight> wow, midnight there
[12:58:37] <minibnz> yeah its a saturday :)
[12:58:44] <CaptHindsight> did you guys make your time change yet?
[12:58:46] <minibnz> at least for another 2mins :)
[12:58:55] <minibnz> yeah yesterday..
[12:59:52] <CaptHindsight> bbl, got up too early
[13:00:14] <minibnz> i might make it to work on time on monday.. i get to sleep in an extra hour :)
[13:00:36] <minibnz> not that they care what time i arrive just that the work is done and is correct..
[13:00:43] <miss0r> I am more and more beginning to think this philips 432 needs to be replaced with linux cnc
[13:01:01] <minibnz> bite the bullet and do it :)
[13:01:17] <minibnz> did you find the modules you were lookign for, for mastercam?
[13:01:20] <miss0r> that OR! i just need to learn new stuff
[13:01:53] <miss0r> minibnz, Some of it. but this machine has some serious shortcommings in understanding some g-code methods I usualy use
[13:02:02] <miss0r> did you snap some pictures by the way?
[13:02:35] <miss0r> also, transferring a 41kB code is taking forever with this 2400baund
[13:03:05] <SpeedEvil> 'could you look more blocky?'
[13:03:06] <minibnz> i have only fly cut the edges to size, that took me 6hours or so.. but the next part will be more interesting so i will snap a few shots then.
[13:04:35] <minibnz> wouldnt it just start milling on the first code? then buffer the rest while it executes them or is the machine faster than the serial port?
[13:05:38] <miss0r> this controller needs the intiere code in-hand before starting to do anything. i.e. I have a limit of 64kB of code
[13:05:48] <miss0r> so I will have to break it up into peices as I go
[13:06:00] <minibnz> oh dang.. ditch that crap now..
[13:06:12] <minibnz> just gut the box and install a single board pc..
[13:06:59] <minibnz> with a nice LCD screen it would be a nicer unit to use..
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[13:07:20] <miss0r> yeah hehe. i've just been told it isn't all that straight forward. It uses huge servos, and just getting it to talk to the VLC and the electromecanic gears... and the linear glass measuering system ect
[13:07:55] <minibnz> oh that is not a weekend mission...
[13:08:16] <minibnz> you would need to map out all the signals if they are not documented somewhere..
[13:08:19] <miss0r> I do have a nice marina touchscreen 17" i believe, that is destined to be used for this - but I am not there yet
[13:08:30] <miss0r> indeed
[13:09:28] <miss0r> but I HAVE found what is supposed to be a working post processor for edgecam. Perhaps that will do. Looking at that later. at the moment I am just messing with the machine. It has a quite nice build in tool library. it does compensation quite well
[13:10:26] <minibnz> hmm how to save some features..
[13:11:50] <miss0r> LinuxCNC can do that too. i'm not worried about that. The electrics doesn't scare me either to be honnest. I just have a kid (3.5 months old) so, taking this machine apart and installing LinuxCNC could end up taking too long - I will forget what I started doing.
[13:12:14] <minibnz> yeah that could be a proble,
[13:12:17] <minibnz> yeah that could be a problem
[13:13:28] <miss0r> assuming I could come up with the cash, and send the misses and the kid on a 2 month vacation, and I could stay home from work during that time. also, include the price for materials needed... then maybe, just maybe...
[13:13:56] * miss0r starts to plot the brilliant scheme
[13:14:02] <minibnz> hehehe you could buy a new mill that works for all that :)
[13:14:23] <miss0r> oh - the mill works. it's just me that unwilling to learn new stuff :)
[13:15:15] <Polymorphism> josh vaughan in ohio is a piece of shit
[13:16:13] <miss0r> �_�
[13:17:03] <miss0r> did this guy steal from you?
[13:17:07] <Polymorphism> yes
[13:17:17] <Polymorphism> just spreading the word about him
[13:17:38] <miss0r> we could just blow him off the internet?
[13:17:59] <Polymorphism> I could do that with my vps
[13:18:04] <Polymorphism> but I want my money back
[13:18:34] <miss0r> just tell him, he will never be able to get online/have a webpage online in his lifetime, unless he pays you back
[13:18:36] <minibnz> what did you order an not get?
[13:19:01] <Polymorphism> I was the seller.
[13:19:18] <Polymorphism> he bought a $120 streamlight
[13:19:20] <minibnz> ahh i see..
[13:19:24] <Polymorphism> I didnt ship the dead hazardous waste lithium batteries
[13:19:40] <Polymorphism> and amazon processed his a-z "not as described claim" for full amount
[13:19:44] <Polymorphism> and he kept item
[13:19:48] <Polymorphism> so theres a way to get free shit on amazong
[13:19:54] <Polymorphism> if you dont mind being a theif
[13:19:59] <Polymorphism> ie
[13:20:02] <jdh> was it as described?
[13:20:07] <Polymorphism> I would say so yes
[13:20:19] <Polymorphism> it was 100% mint brand new
[13:20:24] <Polymorphism> all package all accessories
[13:20:29] <miss0r> but no batteries?
[13:20:30] <jdh> except batteries?
[13:20:33] <Polymorphism> only the two original dead lithium non-rechargable
[13:20:37] <Polymorphism> which are waste
[13:20:40] <Polymorphism> not even sure I can ship those
[13:20:55] <miss0r> perhaps hes in the lithium recycling buisness, and felt cheated? :)
[13:21:11] <jdh> I hate sellers who describe stuff as new and then don't ship everything
[13:21:16] <archivist> dead battery is not 100% new
[13:21:24] <Polymorphism> it wasnt advertised as new.
[13:21:26] <Polymorphism> condition was "used - like new"
[13:21:30] <Polymorphism> used item
[13:21:39] <jdh> like new, except for teh stuff I'm not sending you
[13:21:48] <Polymorphism> no, it was complete
[13:21:53] <Polymorphism> batteries I would have had to purchase
[13:21:58] <Polymorphism> the dead batrteries were trash
[13:22:04] <archivist> no battery is incomplete
[13:22:05] <jdh> if I bought one new, woudl it come with batteries?
[13:22:06] <Polymorphism> they arent rechargeables
[13:22:16] <Polymorphism> new yes, used - like new, no
[13:22:39] <jdh> so, like new, except for the not new that I'm not shipping
[13:22:42] <Polymorphism> they are notr the item
[13:22:48] <Polymorphism> thats the thing
[13:22:49] * jdh leaves negative feedback
[13:22:55] <Polymorphism> regardless
[13:22:57] <Polymorphism> beyond all that
[13:23:02] <Polymorphism> why would youy steal from someone who has your full address?
[13:23:04] <Polymorphism> =D
[13:23:18] <Polymorphism> hopefully trhe bank will take care of this
[13:23:21] <Polymorphism> if not talking to a laywer later
[13:23:31] <miss0r> because he thinks you to be a wuss ?
[13:23:37] <Polymorphism> apparerntly
[13:23:39] <Polymorphism> ;)
[13:23:46] <miss0r> I say we nuke'em
[13:24:15] <Polymorphism> I've got it figured out
[13:24:20] <Polymorphism> thasts just absurd
[13:24:25] <Polymorphism> but I'll get my money//item back.
[13:24:43] <Polymorphism> I'm not the type to just let things go
[13:25:17] <Polymorphism> I'm surprised with amazon mostly
[13:25:26] <Polymorphism> having spent probably 20,000 there in the last few years
[13:25:33] <Polymorphism> that they wouldnt jkust give me the money to keepo a customer
[13:25:40] <Polymorphism> its because I'm a seller, not a buyer
[13:25:46] <Polymorphism> they dont respect their sellers at all
[13:26:01] <Polymorphism> hell, the a-z team doesnt even have phone support
[13:26:04] <minibnz> hell no.. there are more buyers than sellers..
[13:26:04] <Polymorphism> you want to talk about cowards
[13:26:09] <Polymorphism> yeah
[13:26:12] <Polymorphism> buyers come first to them
[13:26:16] <Polymorphism> the buyer is always right
[13:26:17] <Polymorphism> anyway
[13:26:23] <Polymorphism> whats his name can shit talk all he wants
[13:26:28] <Polymorphism> the corruption of this system is well documented
[13:26:40] <Polymorphism> people getting full refunds because thery dont like products 3 months out etc
[13:26:48] <Polymorphism> remember, he KEPT the item as well as getrting his money back
[13:26:56] <miss0r> lets create a site called cum-bucket.com, with names of jerks like him...
[13:26:56] <Polymorphism> so if you feel its "used - like new" or not
[13:27:04] <Polymorphism> miss0r,
[13:27:06] <Polymorphism> thats not logical
[13:27:11] <Polymorphism> I started bvy telling his gf what a PoS he is
[13:27:13] * miss0r just got a spine sensation, what if that side exists :O
[13:27:15] <Polymorphism> things that have real effect
[13:27:32] <Polymorphism> monday I'm talking to my lawyer
[13:27:42] <minibnz> find him on facebook and spread the word there..
[13:27:44] <miss0r> I still say we flood his pipe
[13:27:58] <minibnz> dox him if you must :) get his house flooded with pizza's
[13:27:58] <Polymorphism> minibnz, that was trivial
[13:28:25] <Polymorphism> maybe order him a crate of 100 double sided dildos?
[13:28:32] <minibnz> heheheheh
[13:28:37] <jdh> did you discuss this with him before he filed with amazon?
[13:28:46] <Polymorphism> yeah hes just going to steal the item
[13:28:49] <Polymorphism> I saw his picture
[13:28:54] <Polymorphism> he looks like a total low life
[13:28:57] <minibnz> really it should be a refund on return of the item..
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[13:28:58] <Polymorphism> white trash
[13:29:04] <Polymorphism> he keeps item and money
[13:29:08] <Polymorphism> system is broken
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[13:30:03] <miss0r> the shitty thing is. waaay back in the day - when internet was not for everyone. Someone put me on a list for stuff like that. I started getting porno magazines, with a binding agreement for payment, disdos with a paymentform in the mail ect ect... the only thing that pisses me off about that is, noone took credit
[13:30:20] <miss0r> dildos*
[13:30:21] <jdh> it was me
[13:30:34] <Polymorphism> lol
[13:30:39] * miss0r unloads a printed version of the WinME buglist on jdh
[13:32:00] <miss0r> meh... didn't mean to kill you. just hurt you realy realy bad :)
[13:32:50] <miss0r> so, this machine does not support R, AC, G20 - justoff the bat
[13:33:38] <jdh> imagine how long he agonized over the decision to buy your product. He spent weeks on irc, forums, researching, seeking advice... finally picks the light, orders, and you stiff him by not including the batteries.
[13:33:50] <Polymorphism> he stiffed me
[13:33:52] <Polymorphism> keeping the item
[13:33:56] <Polymorphism> I can't believe this can even happen
[13:34:03] <Polymorphism> I think I have a case here
[13:34:08] <Polymorphism> and most sellers dont take it any further
[13:34:14] <Polymorphism> but I need to involve my bank and or a laywer
[13:34:18] <Polymorphism> and see what my options are
[13:34:22] <Polymorphism> he has my item and the money
[13:34:34] <Polymorphism> this is thievery
[13:34:58] <Polymorphism> if he wants to claim not described
[13:34:59] <Polymorphism> sure
[13:35:00] <Polymorphism> I dont care
[13:35:04] <Polymorphism> as long as it gets returned
[13:35:08] <Polymorphism> this is a 100% loss for me
[13:35:15] <Polymorphism> I just "gave" him the item
[13:35:20] <Polymorphism> they evebn refunded the shipping I paid
[13:35:23] <Polymorphism> wtf?
[13:35:27] <Polymorphism> to him!
[13:35:33] <Polymorphism> criminals
[13:35:34] <Polymorphism> all of them
[13:35:52] <Polymorphism> anyway look online I'm not the only one this has happened to and amazon will never do anything about it
[13:35:57] <Polymorphism> unless faced with legal consequences
[13:35:59] <Polymorphism> so thats where it goes now
[13:36:23] <Polymorphism> the team that takes money out of MY bank account
[13:36:26] <Polymorphism> doesnt even have phone support
[13:36:30] <Polymorphism> that tells you all you need to know.
[13:36:33] <Polymorphism> if youre a buyer amazon is fine
[13:36:39] <Polymorphism> as a seller? its hell on earth.
[13:38:12] <jdh> I asked a seller to put something on amazon so I could use an amazon gift card. he said he would but would add 15% to cover the amazon fees
[13:40:11] <Polymorphism> I'm going to do the same thing to another seller
[13:40:13] <Polymorphism> to get the money back
[13:40:18] <Polymorphism> that this buyer did to me
[13:40:21] <Polymorphism> I figured it out =D
[13:40:25] <Polymorphism> thats the way to get the money back
[13:40:29] <Polymorphism> game the system in the exact same way
[13:40:36] <Polymorphism> I'll go bigger though
[13:40:40] <Polymorphism> I've always wanted an ACOG
[13:41:10] <Polymorphism> so all I need to do is... find a used - like new one, claim the tritum has died a bit or something so its not as described
[13:41:20] <Polymorphism> then keep the item after a-z claim
[13:41:25] <Polymorphism> seller will eart the full cost
[13:41:27] <Polymorphism> and I have free acog
[13:41:28] <Polymorphism> =D
[13:41:33] <Polymorphism> this is all hypothetical of course
[13:41:43] <jdh> unless all the sellers are honest and say that their "like new" items is not
[13:41:52] <Polymorphism> you know
[13:41:54] <Polymorphism> it almost soudns like youi'
[13:41:55] <Polymorphism> re
[13:41:58] <Polymorphism> saying I was dishonest
[13:42:02] <Polymorphism> what a load of fucking bullshit that would be
[13:42:07] <Polymorphism> and you know it
[13:42:12] <Polymorphism> despicable to even insinuate that
[13:42:13] <Polymorphism> you make me sick.
[13:42:14] <jdh> there are 2 sides to everything
[13:42:24] <Polymorphism> theres only one side when the buyer kept the item
[13:42:27] <Polymorphism> it shows who the monster is
[13:42:39] <Polymorphism> I would STILL ship the batteries
[13:42:41] <Polymorphism> he wont respond
[13:42:43] <Polymorphism> amazon wont let me
[13:42:49] <Polymorphism> I've been saying thjat since the first day
[13:42:57] <Polymorphism> it's fucking bullshit.
[13:42:58] <Polymorphism> the whole thing
[13:43:09] <Polymorphism> anyone who isnt a troll or playing devils advocate or a THIEF themselves
[13:43:11] <Polymorphism> can see this is wrong
[13:43:44] <jdh> I'm sure it is obvious for you since you have all the facts.
[13:44:02] <jdh> all I saw is "I didn't ship the dead batteries for my like-new item"
[13:45:17] <Polymorphism> I still don't consider that a problem
[13:45:25] <Polymorphism> they were dead and not rechargable
[13:45:27] <Polymorphism> the batteries arent the item
[13:45:33] <Polymorphism> the item and its accessories are
[13:45:53] <Polymorphism> imo
[13:45:58] <Polymorphism> others may vary
[13:46:10] <Polymorphism> I still consider them hazardous waste
[13:46:14] <Polymorphism> and that I did the buyer a service
[13:46:17] <Polymorphism> by disposing of them
[13:46:41] <Polymorphism> and if I were to buy new batteries
[13:46:44] <jdh> I had to use the spare fuse that came with my 6040 the other day
[13:46:45] <Polymorphism> I wouldnt sell it as used
[13:46:48] <Polymorphism> I would sell it as new
[13:46:55] <Polymorphism> how did you blow it
[13:47:21] <jdh> overly aggressive cut in aluminum
[13:47:49] <jdh> so, I ordered 100 fuses for $5 from amazon
[13:48:01] <Polymorphism> just throw one out when they come and say you only got 99
[13:48:03] <Polymorphism> then issue a-z claim
[13:48:05] <Polymorphism> you can get them free
[13:48:06] <Polymorphism> xD
[13:48:07] <jdh> takes a week longer for shipping than the 5 fuses for $5 from amazon
[13:48:22] <Polymorphism> I'm jk of course
[13:48:30] <Polymorphism> ah becauyse
[13:48:35] <Polymorphism> its a storefront on amazon probably?
[13:48:44] <jdh> chances are I will never use any of the 100
[13:48:45] <Polymorphism> I bought something like that recentrly and it really came from china
[13:48:49] <jdh> chinese vendor
[13:48:52] <minibnz> ok im going to bed i will talk with you all later..
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[13:49:06] <jdh> to match my chinese 6040
[13:49:45] <jdh> don't try .125" doc, .125" slot in gummy aluminum with a 6040
[13:50:38] <Polymorphism> wow
[13:50:40] <Polymorphism> ok
[13:50:44] <Polymorphism> what tool were you cutting with
[13:50:54] <Polymorphism> and dry or oil
[13:52:28] <jdh> dry, just ran some code I had done for HDPE
[13:57:44] <miss0r> bah! edgecam required x64... this station is a 32 bit...
[13:58:03] <Tom_itx> time to upgrade
[13:58:17] <zeeshan|2> :P
[13:58:30] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: did you see my final programming of the second part?
[13:58:38] <Tom_itx> nope
[13:58:38] <miss0r> yeah well... not this machine. its hooked up to a rolandDG desktop mill, i use for engraving. it required a good old parrallel port
[13:58:58] <miss0r> say no to PCI cards apparently
[13:59:00] <zeeshan|2> i got it set to cut aluminum at 80 ipm
[13:59:07] <zeeshan|2> at 0.9 doc
[13:59:12] <zeeshan|2> should be interesting to see
[13:59:13] <Tom_itx> nice
[13:59:25] <Tom_itx> just don't see too closely the first time
[13:59:27] <miss0r> stuff like that needs video documentation for me to see :)
[14:00:20] <zeeshan|2> its still going to take 16 min per part
[14:00:21] <zeeshan|2> to machine these
[14:00:22] <zeeshan|2> =/
[14:01:20] <Polymorphism> I think I'm buying a cnc today
[14:01:22] <miss0r> it's all good. You can fast forward the video, so we don't get bored :-P
[14:01:33] <miss0r> Polymorphism, make/model ?
[14:01:38] <Polymorphism> xzero raptor
[14:01:41] <Polymorphism> not sure which size yet
[14:01:58] <miss0r> a router :)
[14:02:03] <zeeshan|2> =D
[14:02:28] <Polymorphism> http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm#!/~/
[14:02:50] <Polymorphism> I think I'm getting the 24x48
[14:02:54] <Polymorphism> because of a good deal I found on it
[14:03:00] <miss0r> I must admit, I never did fancy routers. but they do have a signifigant size advantage
[14:03:02] <Polymorphism> but the other sizes are interesting
[14:03:02] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/5dKkJN2.gif
[14:03:09] <zeeshan|2> part #2 tool path
[14:03:10] <zeeshan|2> :D
[14:03:11] <Polymorphism> miss0r, this one is supposed to be quite nice
[14:03:21] <zeeshan|2> basically 2 setups
[14:03:24] <zeeshan|2> and 3 tool changes
[14:03:25] <Polymorphism> what software is that
[14:03:36] <Polymorphism> I really like that simulationm of the cut
[14:03:53] <zeeshan|2> mastercam
[14:03:54] <Polymorphism> hey this part looks familiar =D
[14:04:18] <Polymorphism> so mastercam --- this is just for converting 3d model to gcode?
[14:04:19] <miss0r> Polymorphism, I've almost always found routers to be too unstable.
[14:04:22] <Polymorphism> or can you do some modeling in there too
[14:04:28] <Polymorphism> miss0r, for what?
[14:04:34] <miss0r> most anything :)
[14:04:35] <zeeshan|2> you can model in it too
[14:04:39] <miss0r> mastercam is also a cad
[14:04:39] <zeeshan|2> but you wouldnt want to :P
[14:04:52] <miss0r> zeeshan|2, why not? I do that all the time :D
[14:04:56] <Polymorphism> I like the idea of cad////cam combo
[14:04:57] <zeeshan|2> its a pain :P
[14:05:10] <miss0r> I have to agree with you on that :)
[14:05:10] <Polymorphism> oh what is the feeling in here on
[14:05:13] <Polymorphism> smoothstepper
[14:05:18] <Polymorphism> I need to source my own controller + motors
[14:05:21] <Polymorphism> for the cnc
[14:05:36] <Polymorphism> gecko seems like its aging a bit
[14:05:46] <Polymorphism> miss0r, what do you mean about unstable?
[14:05:55] <Polymorphism> I'm going to be cutting pcbs + routing 4mm alu
[14:06:05] <Polymorphism> also carving guitar bodies
[14:06:07] <Polymorphism> just bcause I can
[14:06:15] <Tom_itx> wish i had a mill that would machine from the bottom up too
[14:06:21] <Polymorphism> oooo
[14:06:23] <Polymorphism> thats an idea tom
[14:06:26] <Polymorphism> do they already exist?
[14:06:32] <Polymorphism> work from boith sides of the piece at once
[14:06:36] <Tom_itx> better google it
[14:06:41] <Polymorphism> this could be a money maker
[14:06:49] <Polymorphism> especially if it hasnt been done small scale
[14:07:32] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 you doing the holes with the mill too?
[14:08:19] <zeeshan|2> ya
[14:08:24] <zeeshan|2> saves a tool change
[14:08:30] <zeeshan|2> wreaks havoc on the end mill
[14:08:31] <zeeshan|2> oh well
[14:08:43] <zeeshan|2> the tool manufacturer recommends 80% reduction in feedrate
[14:09:00] <zeeshan|2> works out to .0007 ipt which works out to 7 ipm
[14:09:01] <zeeshan|2> i can live with that
[14:09:08] <zeeshan|2> and im pecking
[14:09:11] <zeeshan|2> er chip breaking
[14:09:28] <zeeshan|2> if it has trouble w/ chip break ill swap to peck
[14:11:21] <gregcnc> you do what you can with what you have
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[14:13:53] <miss0r> Polymorphism, in my experience the spindle can't handle too much stress in such a setup. it is simply not rigid enough. but if you stick to cutting aluminum and softer materials it will be fine, if you keep it moving slow/not a deep cut
[14:15:12] <Polymorphism> ok
[14:15:29] <Polymorphism> he claims I could cut steel but I dont need to, only al + wood + polymers
[14:15:46] <Polymorphism> its for making one off electronic products
[14:15:49] <Tom_itx> claims are just that
[14:16:03] <Polymorphism> the machine is quality at least
[14:16:05] <Polymorphism> I know that
[14:16:08] <Polymorphism> I did some deep research
[14:16:22] <Polymorphism> I read many guiitar makers and pool cue makers who basicallyu can't say enough good things
[14:16:27] <Polymorphism> including fine detailed inlay work
[14:16:34] <Polymorphism> so I'm confident it will be quality for what it is
[14:16:57] <miss0r> alright. I do cut alot of steel/stainless. so thats where my experience comes from
[14:17:06] <Loetmichel> hihi... wife got me some Tshirts to wear at the company... co-workers already bet what will be the next proverb for me to carry on my chest ;) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16215&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 .. the shirts say "the coffee shall be strong and the monday shall be short" "Rule #1: HANDS OFF MY TOOLS!" " "my english is without flaw" ("einwandfrei")
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[14:36:42] <Polymorphism> smoothstepper vs geckodrive vs ???
[14:36:51] <Polymorphism> leadshine x660...
[14:36:54] <Tom_itx> gecko ftw
[14:48:25] <Polymorphism> http://s629.photobucket.com/user/Padovini/media/CNC%20Router/e348f17c.jpg.html
[14:48:33] <Polymorphism> now that is a quality electronics housing
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[14:48:42] <pink_vampire> I have the G320x geacko
[14:48:59] <Polymorphism> do I need to buy some serial db9 connectors?
[14:49:03] <Polymorphism> or will the steppers come with those
[14:49:07] <witnit> I bet this would go bottom dollar, probably just needs controls http://www.ebay.com/usr/dbra8745?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
[14:49:15] <Polymorphism> thats part of the wiring I guess
[14:49:36] * Polymorphism is watching the item
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[14:51:42] <witnit> im too far away or I would consider it
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[14:56:50] <witnit> I havent really had this problem before but I can't find a supplier for a 11/16th-20 bottom tap, it needs to be GH4 or GH5. Anyone got any ideas?
[14:57:01] <Polymorphism> ebay?
[14:58:37] <witnit> no luck
[14:59:34] <witnit> I thought maybe someone might know of a distributor with a website that lets you pick by GH#'s
[15:24:45] * Loetmichel just cleaned up his desk a bit... seems i should get a new desk top. this one is already quite danaged by drilling and sanding parts there... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16218
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[15:42:56] <miss0r> I know this is probally a shit question, but is it possible to convert an edgecam post processor to use with mastercam?
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[15:50:21] <Loetmichel> *ha, the wound i got from that deburr tool is healing really nicely... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16221&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 really nice that i heal so fast ;-)
[15:54:59] * Jymmm removes all sharp and dull objects within 500 yards of Loetmichel
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[16:03:58] <witnit> eep Loetmichel such a bad spot too
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[16:06:23] <CaptHindsight> does anyone sell 1/2"-1" thick HDPE or PP sheet on the weekends?
[16:07:02] <archivist> craft hop?
[16:07:02] <CaptHindsight> Wallymart and similar have HDPE ~3/8" cutting boards, but I'd like it thicker
[16:07:06] <archivist> shop
[16:07:54] <archivist> or a repcrappers shop
[16:08:02] <CaptHindsight> heh
[16:08:19] <zeeshan|2> my local surplus store has it
[16:08:22] <zeeshan|2> but it doesnt help you
[16:08:24] <zeeshan|2> =/
[16:08:54] <CaptHindsight> it's difficult to find here in less than full sheets
[16:09:13] <CaptHindsight> it's easy on Amamazon
[16:09:31] <jdh> I use a lot of King StarBoard(tm)
[16:09:40] <jdh> easy to source at local marine stores
[16:10:39] <CaptHindsight> might try that
[16:12:42] <Loetmichel> witnit: considering how it looked two weeks ago i am pretty satisfied how it heals... -> (warning, some blood) http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16188&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[16:13:25] <Loetmichel> and that was open down to the point where you could se the thumb muscle move in all its glory ;-)
[16:16:32] <witnit> I had one like that on my thigh, I sewed it with some really fine fishing line, hahah I think yours will scar less
[16:18:06] <archivist> pfft stitches.... duct tape
[16:18:30] <Deejay> super glue! ;)
[16:18:49] <Loetmichel> archivist: duct tape dont tack very well to bloddy skin
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[16:20:02] <Duc> how does one use the simualation option in linuxcnc or is that gone now in 2.7?
[16:20:20] <archivist> Loetmichel, bind around affected limb :)
[16:21:03] <Loetmichel> i considered to buy 2 sets of these for company and home workshop tho.. -> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Sterile-Disposable-Surgical-Skin-Stapler-with-35-Preloaded-Staples-and-Remover-/151818961292
[16:24:33] <CaptHindsight> found 1/2" HDPE at the local boat supply, seems 3/4 and 1" are not as common
[16:27:03] <Jymmm> What to do with spare steel wool... http://digg.com/video/steel-wool-firework-slow-motion
[16:27:26] <jdh> I can I can get 1/4, 3/8, 1/2, 3/4, 1" at most local hardware stores. They actually measure a little smaller than nominal though
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[16:28:43] <CaptHindsight> jdh: not around here
[16:29:02] <CaptHindsight> 3/8 cutting boards is about it
[16:29:04] <Jymmm> jdh: What is 3/4" HDPE used for that would be sold in a hw store?
[16:29:21] <jdh> boat stuff.
[16:29:22] <CaptHindsight> I can get thicks stuff from several warehouses around here but not on the weekends
[16:29:47] <witnit> trees
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[16:30:29] <CaptHindsight> the ACE says that people ask for it all the time but they still don't carry it
[16:30:51] <CaptHindsight> most boat shops are open today
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[17:13:37] <maxcnc> hi
[17:13:58] <maxcnc> has been a long week here in germany checking mails and going for wekend
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[17:15:23] <enricostn> hi there, I'm looking for some open hardware driver, any suggestion?
[17:15:59] <enricostn> DISCLAIMER: I'm quite a newbie about CNC
[17:16:03] <maxcnc> on what issue
[17:16:24] <maxcnc> wervo?
[17:16:24] <maxcnc> s
[17:16:45] <enricostn> yep
[17:16:53] <maxcnc> so start liw what is your goal to be
[17:16:56] <enricostn> I've seen a mach 3 working
[17:17:11] <enricostn> but was looking for somw OH project
[17:17:15] <maxcnc> behind me are 8mashines
[17:17:32] <enricostn> liw?
[17:17:37] <maxcnc> and 12 next door
[17:17:37] <maxcnc> si ive seen more thewn one
[17:17:51] <maxcnc> are y<ou in Europ
[17:17:56] <maxcnc> im in Germany
[17:18:01] <enricostn> Spain here
[17:18:14] <maxcnc> ah Jesus is ofline from valencia
[17:18:31] <maxcnc> he got more then 10 running
[17:18:38] <enricostn> oh nice :)
[17:18:40] <maxcnc> here we use Lcnc
[17:18:45] <enricostn> any link to some resource?
[17:18:52] <maxcnc> as you can build like your dream
[17:19:06] <enricostn> Linux cnc seems really nice
[17:19:09] <maxcnc> so what is the mashine for
[17:19:22] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/
[17:19:25] <maxcnc> Mill lathe punch Foam
[17:19:33] <archivist> hobbing
[17:19:39] <archivist> gear cutting
[17:19:47] <maxcnc> so its a mill
[17:19:59] <maxcnc> you can print gears ore lasercut them
[17:20:24] <enricostn> I'm in touch with a couple of friend in south Italy (I'm actually from there, but I live in Spain). they have a laboratory and they build really nice CNC machines
[17:20:34] <archivist> they are rubbish compared to a generated cut gear though
[17:20:35] <maxcnc> AH missseen archi
[17:21:01] <enricostn> I've been there some time and since I'm a developer and Linux lover I wanted to start investigating a bit on what's out there
[17:21:27] <maxcnc> enricostn: what is the mashine for
[17:21:38] <enricostn> a mill, sorry
[17:21:55] <maxcnc> and it is for milling
[17:22:01] <maxcnc> steel alu wood
[17:22:07] <enricostn> wood for now
[17:22:09] <Loetmichel> archivist: i cut gears on my cnc that have 20 knots on each gear tooth side. they fit pretty much without any play.
[17:22:09] <maxcnc> size to be
[17:22:16] <Loetmichel> and i dont hob them
[17:22:24] <Loetmichel> i sue a small end mill
[17:22:27] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: temp today
[17:22:53] <maxcnc> here we hit 14
[17:22:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11711
[17:23:00] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11702
[17:23:02] <archivist> Loetmichel, imperfect curve, alright for rough low poer for sixe jobs
[17:23:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11714
[17:23:13] <enricostn> maxcnc: maybe 1mt sqared
[17:23:31] <enricostn> just to try out stuff for now
[17:23:49] <Loetmichel> archivist: 20 knots are pretty much better than 1/1000mm to the involute curve it should be
[17:23:55] <Loetmichel> close enough for anything small
[17:24:01] <enricostn> I want to demonstrate to my friends that with OSS code and hardware you can build nice machines too
[17:25:31] <archivist> Loetmichel, cannot do real stuff with an end mill http://gears.archivist.info/gears/IMG_1214_hires.JPG
[17:25:45] <archivist> that is what I call small
[17:26:10] <Loetmichel> archivist. THATS a bit small for an endmill, grant you that ;)
[17:26:21] <maxcnc> enricostn: with steüppers no problem below 650euros
[17:26:55] <maxcnc> enricostn: tee times mi nombre
[17:28:07] <enricostn> maxcnc: can you give me any open hardware resource or link to into?
[17:28:34] <maxcnc> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Germany-Ship-Wantai-3Axis-Nema34-Stepper-Motor-1232oz-in-5-6A-Driver-7-8A-/321544888784?hash=item4add91a1d0:g:KjQAAMXQNhdSEiqu
[17:28:42] <maxcnc> start with this
[17:29:11] <maxcnc> then use a SBR 1,5m at 16mm diameter
[17:29:34] <enricostn> maxcnc: but it's not open hardware right?
[17:29:45] <maxcnc> use TR20x4 streadens
[17:30:11] <archivist> "define open hardware" you can make/modify anything
[17:30:26] <maxcnc> why woudt you build your drivers at home if better ones are cheeper
[17:30:50] <maxcnc> enricostn: TB6560 is open
[17:31:10] <enricostn> I know, but I'm a bit of fan of stuff like this http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs/
[17:31:17] <maxcnc> it will cost you 50Euro to build one axis
[17:31:35] <maxcnc> there are 3Acxis Tb6560 for less then 40 on the net
[17:32:36] <maxcnc> Gn8
[17:32:41] <maxcnc> im off Bye
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[17:32:46] <enricostn> ok many thanks!
[17:35:09] <Loetmichel> tb6560 are great chips
[17:35:12] <archivist> some times it is better to not use a complete design but the best bits from many designs
[17:35:30] <Loetmichel> as long as you can assure that they NEVER see a disconnected motor while running
[17:35:34] <Loetmichel> or any other abuse
[17:36:12] <Loetmichel> they are a bit sensitive around their max ratings
[17:36:31] <Loetmichel> otherwise these are nice cheap Stepper drivers
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[17:48:30] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: http://eku.biz/en/our-beer-specialities/eku-beers/hell/ know anyone in the beer export business
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[17:54:46] <Loetmichel> sorry, no, dont know anyone there
[17:55:15] <Simonious> Polymorphism: you figure what you are going to buy/build yet?
[17:56:03] <CaptHindsight> it's become a running gag
[17:56:12] * Simonious chuckles
[17:56:48] <Simonious> I'm don't have time to build something right now, but if I did I'd be looking for something someone had built before.. I've got unlimited access to a HAAS that could be used to make parts :)
[17:56:58] <djdelorie> new machines are being designed faster than he can learn about them and decide...
[17:57:14] <CaptHindsight> you can HAAS parts?
[17:57:20] <Simonious> indeed
[17:57:43] <gregcnc> nice capt
[17:58:09] <Simonious> a coworker just built a real solid and precise CNC router for taking to trade shows and such to make signs.
[17:58:19] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: where to go for lunch?
[17:58:52] <Deejay> i can haas cheesburger! ;)
[18:00:35] <gregcnc> dunno i don't eat out much except for tommys. five guys or mexican occasionally
[18:01:39] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: where's good mexican in the area?
[18:02:13] <CaptHindsight> was at Tommys yesterday
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[18:04:41] <CaptHindsight> oh man it's snowing today and 60's tomorrow (20C)
[18:04:54] <Simonious> where you is? It did that here too
[18:05:04] <CaptHindsight> Chicago
[18:05:09] <Simonious> Minnesota
[18:05:13] <gregcnc> there's one on 31 at the new light at the bypass in alg or las cazuelitas on 14 in CL. there is also las cumbres downtown
[18:05:42] <CaptHindsight> thanks
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[18:07:09] <CaptHindsight> 25F tonight, 65F tomorrow
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[18:07:27] <gregcnc> sunny one minute, howling snow the next
[18:07:34] <CaptHindsight> Simonious: did you get much/any snow this winter?
[18:09:41] <CaptHindsight> thundersnow
[18:09:55] <gregcnc> yeah I heard it too
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[18:14:24] <the_qyd> ???, where did my question go?
[18:14:44] <archivist> over there ---------------------------->
[18:16:05] <Simonious> CaptHindsight: not really
[18:16:21] <Simonious> CaptHindsight: it was a very mild winter
[18:16:39] <CaptHindsight> same here
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[18:28:18] <mozmck> Is there an way to make a gcode program loop? i.e. start over from the beginning when it gets to the end?
[18:28:31] <mozmck> Looks like M99 can do that in a Haas
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[18:31:42] <MrSunshine> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html
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[18:39:43] <the_qyd> Hey, I have an issue where I can jog a motor inside of Stepconf but not inside of the Axis GUI
[18:40:00] <the_qyd> Does anyone know what I can do to fix this?
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[19:04:47] <Polylaptopism> hi all
[19:05:09] <Polylaptopism> after listening to my ramblings for a couple of days, I wonder if anyone can tell me if I need a tslot table for my work?
[19:05:20] <Polylaptopism> Its an add on option for the machine I'm ordering
[19:05:24] <Polylaptopism> and I'm not sure if I need it or not
[19:05:31] <Polylaptopism> the salesman says I probably dont actualy need it
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[19:05:39] <Polylaptopism> which means less money for him so I tend to trust him
[19:05:42] <Polylaptopism> but I'm wondering
[19:05:53] <Polylaptopism> why woulde I want tslot if I'm putting spoilboard over it anyway
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[19:36:00] <the_qyd> Hey, I have an issue where I can jog a motor inside of Stepconf but not inside of the Axis GUI
[19:36:08] <the_qyd> Does anyone know what I can do to fix this?
[19:38:10] <Deejay> enable the machine (F2)?
[19:38:34] <Deejay> ;)
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[19:41:20] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/jd310a/
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[19:47:47] <Polylaptopism> anyone?
[19:47:51] <Polylaptopism> Im going to order today
[19:48:01] <Polylaptopism> need to know if I should buy the tabletob for 270 more
[19:48:03] <Polylaptopism> t slot
[19:48:15] <Polylaptopism> or use plastic///mdf for routing my enclosures 4mm alu and engraving and pcb work
[19:48:53] <Deejay> yes, just buy it. supporting the economy is always a good idea ;)
[19:50:26] <Polylaptopism> im asking if I need a tslot tabletob though
[19:50:29] <Polylaptopism> if ill actually use it
[19:50:43] <Polylaptopism> he says I can just mount my mdf or plastic to the frame
[19:50:58] <Polylaptopism> then face it
[19:51:17] <Polylaptopism> why would I need t slot table?
[19:51:27] <Polylaptopism> I only want to buy it if ill need it
[19:51:36] <Polylaptopism> and I could also get a deal on a smaller machine with free table
[19:51:40] <Polylaptopism> so I need to know its true value
[19:52:28] * Deejay has no tslots
[19:52:37] <Deejay> just mdf
[19:52:49] <Deejay> and fixing everything with screws
[19:52:57] <Deejay> works fine for me
[19:53:04] <djdelorie> if you don't need it it just sits there. If you *do* need it, you have it
[19:53:23] <Deejay> you would know if you need it (or will know in future ^^)
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[20:08:47] <enleth> Polylaptopism: just ask them if you can buy it separately in the future and fit it easily
[20:09:16] <enleth> Polylaptopism: so that if you ever decide you need it, you won't be in trouble
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[20:19:23] <enricostn> Loetmichel: hi, do you know any open hardware driver using TB6560?
[20:19:34] <enricostn> or any other chip actually
[20:20:13] <enricostn> it's for milling mainly wood for now
[20:20:28] <enricostn> want to try out LinuxCNC but using open HW drivers
[20:21:32] <Meduza> enricostn: not many people are designing open hw drivers nowadays since they have gotten so extremely cheap from china
[20:23:42] <enricostn> Meduza: I know :( I just wonder what people like http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs/ use
[20:24:05] <enricostn> they must use something serious AND open HW
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[20:24:54] <Polylaptopism> whta are t slot tables used for?
[20:24:57] <Polylaptopism> holdin things like vices?
[20:25:15] <Polylaptopism> I think ill just go diy mdf
[20:25:26] <Polylaptopism> its 260 more for 30x36" tab;le
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[20:27:03] <Meduza> Polylaptopism: it is a nice way to fasten stuff, both directly and trough fastening other work holding tools like vices
[20:27:46] <Meduza> Polylaptopism: http://www.tormach.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/t-nuts/31855-t-slot_square-mg_8197.jpg
[20:27:50] <Meduza> for example like that
[20:29:14] <Meduza> Polylaptopism: if you do not know if you need it, you can probably do without it quite a while
[20:29:24] <Meduza> screwing stuff to MDF works
[20:29:41] <Meduza> enricostn: well, i do not know even if they know what they are going to use...
[20:30:29] <enricostn> Meduza: they're actually already working
[20:31:06] <Meduza> enricostn: http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Stepper_Motor_Driver
[20:31:20] <Meduza> they seems to use reprap-style stepsticks
[20:31:54] <Meduza> https://github.com/kliment/cooldrv
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[20:34:11] <enricostn> maybe, I'll try to get in touch with them
[20:34:34] <Meduza> http://wiki.germanreprap.com/en/handbuch/powerlolu
[20:34:41] <Meduza> this seems to be what they are looking at for higher power
[20:39:46] <Meduza> enricostn: tbh i dont really get why the open source pcb is so important tough...
[20:39:54] <Meduza> when you still have to get a specific chip
[20:40:03] <Meduza> that really is the driver
[20:40:05] <enricostn> yep, that's a good point
[20:40:27] <enricostn> but the less dependant we're the better
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[20:40:40] <Meduza> still, it is harder to get the chip than a complete driver today
[20:40:55] <enricostn> well that's a matter of quantity
[20:41:02] <enricostn> generally
[20:41:30] <Meduza> of course, but for the average joe building a cnc router or a 3d printer it is quite true
[20:41:43] <enricostn> yes it is, I agree
[20:41:51] <Meduza> to me there is only one reason that i would like to design a really good open source stepper dirver
[20:42:19] <Meduza> so the chinese can start cloning and selling something good instead of the allegro stepsticks with inadequate cooling..
[20:42:21] <Meduza> :p
[20:42:54] <enricostn> well, that would be really interesting actually! and I would think about it seriously
[20:43:19] <enricostn> I mean you can get funds to do industry level open HW
[20:43:40] <enricostn> I'm kinda interested on exactly that kind of stuff
[20:43:52] <Deejay> gn8
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[20:45:18] <enricostn> we're organizing the https://oscedays.org/ for Barcelona and there is a lot of interest about that
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[20:52:11] <Loetmichel> enricostn: just look at the datasheet for the chip
[20:52:19] <Loetmichel> the driver is pretty much self contained
[20:52:40] <Loetmichel> to put a small pcb around it and a power supply to its back shouldnt be a big problem
[20:55:06] <enricostn> Loetmichel: nice thanks! I'll investigate a bit about the chip used etc. Many thanks for your help!
[20:56:37] <Loetmichel> enricostn: i would simply use readily aviable Chinese single axis driver baoirds and a fitting SMPS and a breakput board for the LPT port of the PC
[20:58:27] <Loetmichel> http://www.ebay.de/itm/CNC-Router-1-Axis-Controller-Stepper-Motor-Drivers-TB6560-3A-driver-board-DG-/281985613984 <- for example. there you can also see that there is not much external parts needed beside the stepper driver chip itself
[20:59:09] <Loetmichel> and these boards arleady come with optocouplers and the current sense resistors AND usually with a 5V regulator for gaining logic supply from the Motor supply
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[21:01:01] <Loetmichel> as i said these are cheap as fu
[21:01:03] <Loetmichel> **
[21:01:45] <Loetmichel> only drawback is that they are pretty sensitive to faults in the motor cables and overvoltage.
[21:02:22] <Loetmichel> but at these prices its easy to order a few more and simply change them when they die
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[21:03:18] <djdelorie> yeah, it's easy to get something working, it's hard to make something robust
[21:05:54] <Loetmichel> djdelorie: oh, the chips are pretty robust when you stay inside their working envelope
[21:06:14] <Loetmichel> but while tinkering the machine and have maybe some loose connections you WILL blow some
[21:06:17] <Loetmichel> BTDT
[21:06:49] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12554&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- managed to blow all 4 at once.
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[21:08:09] <Loetmichel> tried to "jumpstart" a to small 32V 2A PSU by connecting 2 serial connected 12V 7Ah SLA batteries in parallel to the Motor power... managed to reverse the polarity ;)
[21:08:16] <Loetmichel> *BANG*
[21:08:21] <Loetmichel> "cough"
[21:09:03] <Loetmichel> <- opening the window to let the magic smoke dissipate, soldering 4 new chips into the board, off we go again... with a bigger PSU ;)
[21:10:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12808&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- you can see the old PSU on the bottom ;)
[21:11:26] <Loetmichel> (and i change the driver board, but for other reasons, the tb boards were too big for that machine, it only has 1Amp steppers)
[21:11:42] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12811&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- other side of that machine ;)
[21:12:41] <djdelorie> the power supply is that little tiny board, and not the giane one with the toroid?
[21:13:01] <Loetmichel> the old power supply is the tiny board on the bottom
[21:13:15] <Loetmichel> 32V 2A SMPS out of a Impact printer
[21:13:32] <djdelorie> not only did you let the magic smoke out, you let out the magic dust and some magic shards...
[21:13:38] <Loetmichel> and i replaced it with the toroid and some rectifiers/voltage raegulators ;)
[21:13:57] <Loetmichel> i did ;)
[21:14:16] <Loetmichel> and i can tell that said shards tend to have a high velocity.
[21:14:23] <djdelorie> here's the underside of my machine: http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_2600.html
[21:14:42] <djdelorie> you can see three servo drivers and a 15V SMPS, plus the 100V toroid in the upper right
[21:14:46] <Loetmichel> <- still has a small sar on his cheek for such an accident
[21:15:12] <Loetmichel> scar
[21:15:31] <djdelorie> yeah, my skin has a number of "stories" written on it
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[21:18:28] <djdelorie> I did make a 120V SMPS and it "worked" but I never used it.
[21:18:52] <djdelorie> http://www.delorie.com/electronics/bldc/ps-60v-top.jpg
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[21:20:31] <Loetmichel> nice
[21:20:56] <Loetmichel> i can do SMPS but to be honest: wehereever weight is not an issue i use toroids
[21:21:17] <djdelorie> at the time I hadn't found a big enough toroid. Remember I have 160v servos
[21:21:18] <Loetmichel> its simpler and MUCH less prone to die from a small overload
[21:21:50] <djdelorie> they're designed to run right from rectified wall power
[21:22:52] <djdelorie> and I need 8 amps peak, 2 continuous, times 3 channels = nearly 4 kW peak
[21:23:04] <djdelorie> (although I get by with MUCH less)
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[21:29:05] <Loetmichel> thats the fun with toroid transformers
[21:29:17] <Loetmichel> you only have to oberve the thermal limots of the core
[21:29:46] <Loetmichel> you can easily overload the transformer 10 times for sort periods of time without any bad effects
[21:30:05] <djdelorie> assuming the rest of the circuit can take it
[21:30:09] <Loetmichel> yes
[21:30:17] <djdelorie> I overdesigned mine so I could back-feed it from the servos
[21:30:23] <Loetmichel> but biiig rectifiers are cheap
[21:30:27] <djdelorie> "regenerative braking"
[21:30:31] <Loetmichel> nice
[21:31:27] <djdelorie> all wasted on a plywood machine that can't handle that kind of acceleration...
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[21:45:15] <Loetmichel> wouldnt say that
[21:45:26] <Loetmichel> you can make a plywood machine that is pretty stiff
[21:45:41] <Loetmichel> just have to use a lot of "boxing"
[21:45:55] <Loetmichel> i know, i did
[21:46:01] <Loetmichel> altho with marine plywood
[21:53:07] <djdelorie> it's still enough for what I need, it's just jittery when I crank the acceleration up
[21:53:18] <djdelorie> s/still/stiff/
[21:55:47] <JT-Shop> I should have never taken the 1/4 round tool out of the turret
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[22:30:37] <JT-Shop> anyone seen Pete lately
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[22:37:01] <pcw_home> playing at the beach?
[22:39:35] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: he was here last night for a short time
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[22:39:44] <Polylaptopism> ty Meduza
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[22:42:30] <JT-Shop> did he get moved?
[22:44:26] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: yes, last week, made a few trips
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[22:44:57] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: all packed into storage, enjoying beach going and home shopping
[22:47:03] <JT-Shop> cool
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[23:12:29] <andypugh> Interesting day today. putting bits of a 100-year old fire engine gearbox back together, and putting gold-leaf stripes on the wings
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