#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-04-01

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[00:00:10] <evil_ren> to cut with twice as much feed for a given chip load
[00:01:54] <Polymorphism> I like the sound of that
[00:02:08] <evil_ren> or because you just happen to have a lot of 4 flute endmills around
[00:02:35] <djdelorie> or you've got more horsepower than the job requires
[00:04:01] <evil_ren> right, assuming you can keep the flutes clear
[00:05:18] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEpApUx6JeU&t=8m45s
[00:05:22] <Polymorphism> is that even good cut quality
[00:05:27] <evil_ren> so what dictates the tool shape in axis
[00:05:33] <evil_ren> it used to be a cone
[00:05:45] <evil_ren> but now its a big giant cylinder and i cant see the toolpaths past it
[00:05:55] <andypugh> evil_ren: The tool table. It is only a cone when there is no tool loaded
[00:05:56] <evil_ren> is there some sort of tool file?
[00:06:01] <evil_ren> oh
[00:06:22] <evil_ren> that makes sense, i do manual tool changes and usually edit T stuff out
[00:06:57] <evil_ren> i loaded something that didnt throw errors so i didnt edit so it prob changed the tool
[00:06:59] <andypugh> M6 T0 to get your cone back :)
[00:07:09] <evil_ren> yeah but im running something!
[00:07:22] <evil_ren> me tries mdi tab anyway
[00:07:50] <evil_ren> ^/
[00:07:54] <evil_ren> tab works but there is much dimming in boxes
[00:09:54] <evil_ren> also, my offsets must be zero
[00:10:01] <andypugh> Polymorphism: The initial cut quality is awful, but the finishing path rescues things.
[00:10:13] <andypugh> Right, time to sleep.
[00:10:20] <andypugh> Night all
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[00:15:47] <Polymorphism> gn
[00:18:51] <zeeshan> yay a big machining order
[00:19:30] <witnit> zeeshan: hooray how big?!
[00:19:39] <zeeshan> 300 parts of each type
[00:19:42] <Sync> noice
[00:19:49] <zeeshan> im trying to figure out how to do it efficiently
[00:19:50] <Polymorphism> $_$
[00:20:00] <zeeshan> cause i have a day job..
[00:20:01] <zeeshan> =/
[00:20:24] <Sync> offshore it
[00:20:29] <zeeshan> lol
[00:21:03] <zeeshan> one part looks easy
[00:21:07] <zeeshan> the other not so much
[00:21:49] <zeeshan> sync do you think subaru would send the cops after me
[00:21:57] <zeeshan> if i left all the shattered remains of my engine
[00:22:01] <zeeshan> on their front door
[00:22:09] <Sync> probably not
[00:22:14] <zeeshan> or even better on public sidewalk in front of their shop
[00:22:15] <zeeshan> with a big sign
[00:22:23] <zeeshan> ------------------> Think twice before buying a subaru
[00:22:29] <Sync> put a big oilstain in their driveway
[00:22:40] <evil_ren> they would prob just sweep it into the bin containing the bits from all the others who did the same thing?
[00:22:47] <zeeshan> lol evil
[00:22:53] <zeeshan> ren did you see the damage?
[00:23:01] <zeeshan> its pretty interesting
[00:23:11] <evil_ren> people dont buy them for reliability, every time a subi owner suggests i should get one, my response is 'dont they break?'
[00:23:14] <zeeshan> i have it as my work wall paper
[00:23:16] <evil_ren> 'well yeah, but...'
[00:23:21] <evil_ren> like, no one denys it, heh
[00:23:30] <zeeshan> dude the subaru engine is lame to work on
[00:23:32] <witnit> zeeshan can we see prints im always curious about jobs
[00:23:34] <zeeshan> you have two of everything
[00:23:45] <zeeshan> and cross over lines for oil and coolant
[00:23:47] <zeeshan> waiting to fail
[00:23:55] <zeeshan> along with the o-rings between the block halves
[00:24:06] <zeeshan> all this bs to get lower center of gravity
[00:24:21] <evil_ren> well, because rally!
[00:24:27] <zeeshan> witnit gimme a few
[00:24:45] <evil_ren> wonder if porsche flat engines still have the orings
[00:24:53] <evil_ren> that shit goes back to VW fours
[00:25:02] <Polymorphism> I've never had a problem with subaru
[00:25:09] <zeeshan> evil
[00:25:12] <zeeshan> for your viewing pleasure
[00:25:12] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/NySkI
[00:25:20] <evil_ren> polymorphism: i think its mostly the WRX
[00:25:28] <zeeshan> its not just the wrx
[00:25:34] <evil_ren> and mostly because of the amount of power going into the awd system
[00:25:40] <zeeshan> all 2006+ subarus burn oil
[00:25:44] <evil_ren> oh that
[00:25:52] <evil_ren> shrug, my car does that
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[00:26:04] <zeeshan> prolly not at 35,000 miles
[00:26:05] <zeeshan> :P
[00:26:21] <zeeshan> im pretty much putting the car back together
[00:26:24] <evil_ren> no, and it didnt really burn oil until about 100k
[00:26:27] <zeeshan> and trading it in for a 4runner
[00:26:35] <zeeshan> some lucky person will get forged pistons
[00:26:39] <zeeshan> and all these new parts =/
[00:26:44] <evil_ren> toyota has a warranty extension and was going to rebuild to replace the piston rings, but theyre dicking me around about it
[00:27:06] <zeeshan> if i can get 100k miles out of a car
[00:27:07] <zeeshan> im happy
[00:27:16] <zeeshan> 200k miles and im bonded forever
[00:27:22] <evil_ren> this ones up to 135k and pretty much same car
[00:27:27] <zeeshan> 30k miles and it blows up
[00:27:31] <zeeshan> you get extreme hatred
[00:27:37] <zeeshan> especially after you deny warranty
[00:27:38] <evil_ren> it uses 1qt of oil about every 1k miles, but its 0w-20 oil, im not too surprised
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[00:27:49] <zeeshan> did you try a thicker oil?
[00:27:57] <zeeshan> gas mileage will go down
[00:28:01] <zeeshan> but it might stop burning oil
[00:28:01] <evil_ren> i dont care so much id rather have the tinner oil and use up more of it
[00:28:05] <zeeshan> 20W is pretty thin
[00:28:06] <evil_ren> not like i dont check my oil
[00:28:19] <evil_ren> well my options are 5w-20 and 02-20
[00:28:26] <evil_ren> *0w-20
[00:28:38] <evil_ren> and in general, i prefer the lighter oils
[00:28:46] <zeeshan> lighter oils are good
[00:28:49] <zeeshan> more fuel efficient
[00:28:50] <evil_ren> especially the cold viscocity
[00:28:57] <zeeshan> but require tight tolerances
[00:28:59] <evil_ren> bob teh oil dude makes sense
[00:29:13] <evil_ren> lighter oils flow faster too
[00:29:15] <evil_ren> at startup
[00:29:20] <zeeshan> ya
[00:29:24] <evil_ren> i dont buy the thick oil on startup shit
[00:29:27] <zeeshan> im not too worried about that
[00:29:30] <zeeshan> i have an accusump
[00:29:33] <zeeshan> theres always oil pressure
[00:29:38] <zeeshan> theres no dry start
[00:29:41] <evil_ren> its just gonna get scraped away on the first cycle if its even still stuck there in the first place
[00:30:05] <evil_ren> not dry but pressure will be up without as much flow because thicker
[00:30:07] <Sync> the oil has stickifiers, it's not like it just goes away
[00:30:12] <evil_ren> is somewhat misleading
[00:30:12] <zeeshan> yewa
[00:30:14] <zeeshan> its like way lube
[00:30:16] <zeeshan> it sticks
[00:30:23] <evil_ren> yeah but thick oil wont have more stickifiers
[00:30:34] <zeeshan> it wont
[00:30:39] <zeeshan> but itll have the viscosity
[00:30:43] <zeeshan> its like honey vs water
[00:30:43] <evil_ren> so id rather have the thin oil with better flow in general
[00:30:54] <evil_ren> and so what i spend $5 more every 5000 miles
[00:30:54] <zeeshan> it takes longer for it to mvoe away
[00:30:57] <evil_ren> its getting worse, tho
[00:31:05] <zeeshan> 1qt is a lot
[00:31:12] <zeeshan> did you do a compression test?
[00:31:18] <evil_ren> i wouldnt mind having the new rings, but im not going to do the oil consumption test again
[00:31:35] <evil_ren> no but it doesnt feel down on power
[00:31:47] <zeeshan> trake off oil cap when running
[00:31:49] <evil_ren> i should probably replace the plugs one day
[00:31:50] <zeeshan> if you feel mad pulses
[00:31:53] <evil_ren> could do it then
[00:31:56] <zeeshan> rings are fried
[00:32:08] <evil_ren> pretty sure rings are not fried
[00:32:21] <evil_ren> car has power, same mileage as pretty much always
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[00:33:30] <evil_ren> my guess is its just the thinner oil in a typical tolerances engine
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[00:33:55] <evil_ren> worked fine for 100k miles, decent amount gets by after
[00:34:00] <evil_ren> also i engine brake constantly
[00:34:24] <evil_ren> its basically how i drive the car, so i should be burning more oil than average
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[00:35:49] <zeeshan> witnit: http://i.imgur.com/COqkDZH.png
[00:35:53] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/RwuQdGt.png
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[00:36:29] <evil_ren> yeah have fun with that squate slot
[00:36:30] <zeeshan> the first part im thinking of just getting flat bar
[00:36:45] <zeeshan> already cut to size
[00:36:51] <zeeshan> squaring it up with multiple pieces in the vise
[00:37:09] <zeeshan> then stacking them and running a corner radius tool
[00:37:18] <zeeshan> actually doing the hole first
[00:37:30] <zeeshan> hm
[00:37:37] <zeeshan> now im doubting my process -- it sounded good in my head :P
[00:37:54] <evil_ren> the only challengine part about that looks like doing a 1.8" slot with a .25" endmill
[00:38:02] <zeeshan> thats easy
[00:38:07] <Polymorphism> what does the circle with a diagonal line through it mean zeeshan
[00:38:10] <zeeshan> im trying to figure out how to do 300 of them efficiently
[00:38:37] <evil_ren> the slot you can line em up in a vise, ya
[00:39:01] <zeeshan> okay i think ill do this, grab some 1.25x.5 flat bar cut to lengths of 2.375
[00:39:21] <zeeshan> square up the length to 2.3
[00:39:49] <evil_ren> i think you should figure out how to do the counterbore and radius in one operation, drill in same setup
[00:40:15] <evil_ren> holding on the counterbore side, one at a time because you cant stack and do the radius
[00:40:17] <zeeshan> then i cant use 1.25" flatbar
[00:40:20] <zeeshan> i'd need to go to 1.5"
[00:40:37] <zeeshan> its faster and easier with a corner radius tool
[00:40:37] <evil_ren> yeah im saying after getting stock to size
[00:40:56] <zeeshan> if i make the stock longer in the 2.150 direction
[00:41:01] <zeeshan> to 2.3
[00:41:07] <evil_ren> yeah but you cant do the slot or the hole
[00:41:12] <zeeshan> i can
[00:41:14] <zeeshan> from the top
[00:41:28] <evil_ren> i meant same setup
[00:43:09] <zeeshan> i wish it didnt have to be a flat bottom slot
[00:43:30] <evil_ren> ask them if they can change
[00:43:35] <zeeshan> they cant
[00:43:37] <evil_ren> offer to do it a bit cheaper
[00:43:38] <evil_ren> oh
[00:43:56] <zeeshan> initially i was thinkig of doing the slot with my large milling disc cutter
[00:44:04] <evil_ren> yeah looks like if that is a critical min slot length, they basically turn it pussy to radius it
[00:44:07] <zeeshan> but its slower :P
[00:44:32] <evil_ren> slots not impossible, just not a standard endmill
[00:44:44] <zeeshan> my problem is
[00:44:50] <zeeshan> when ive done something like this inthe past
[00:44:58] <zeeshan> the part becomes very flimsy and hard to hold also
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[00:45:04] <zeeshan> i had to make a fixture for it
[00:45:05] <evil_ren> i try to avoid shit like that since i tried to mill heatsink slots with a 1/8" endmill once
[00:45:24] <evil_ren> standard tool lengths are standard for a reason =\
[00:45:39] <zeeshan> i rarely use standard length
[00:45:43] <zeeshan> unless doing my own stuff
[00:45:43] <zeeshan> lol
[00:45:53] <zeeshan> always gotta use XLONG
[00:45:55] <zeeshan> and slow crap down
[00:46:00] <ssi> crap down
[00:46:10] <zeeshan> =]
[00:50:53] <witnit> some guy just bought two citizen cincoms for a dollar on ebay :P part or not working but, so what!
[00:52:31] <zeeshan> okay it makes sense to get 1.5" flat bar not 1.25"
[00:52:45] <zeeshan> do the curve and hole like you were sayin
[00:52:55] <zeeshan> can do 5 parts at a time
[00:53:10] <zeeshan> then all the exterior will be pretty damn accurate
[00:53:28] <zeeshan> stack a bunch of them and come in with a slitting saw :P
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[00:55:43] <witnit> zeeshan: horozontal mill them with rough contours then slice them and square?
[00:56:10] <zeeshan> many way to do it
[00:56:21] <witnit> should reduce your passes per chucking parts ratio
[00:56:23] <zeeshan> i really like the contour evertyhing first
[00:56:37] <zeeshan> then come in with a slitting saw
[00:56:46] <zeeshan> and knock out 10 slots at a time
[00:57:16] <zeeshan> i wonder if someone makes a .3 thick slitting saw
[00:57:53] <witnit> material?
[00:58:09] <witnit> .3 or .030?
[00:58:14] <zeeshan> .3
[00:58:22] <witnit> sounds big
[00:58:31] <zeeshan> i has .25
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[01:02:48] <witnit> what material is it?
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[01:03:18] <zeeshan> 6061
[01:03:22] <zeeshan> easy peezee :D
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[01:10:42] <CaptHindsight> what does 10" PVC pipe smell like being milled?
[01:10:58] <CaptHindsight> terrible
[01:10:58] <malcom2073> Like cancer
[01:11:30] <zeeshan> lol
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[01:14:19] <CaptHindsight> petes back
[01:14:50] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: how's the new home shopping going?
[01:15:01] <witnit> zeeshan: maybe it would be best to do you slot with a .250 and then come back with some clean passes on each side so you dont have a poor finish due to large shavings binding into the walls
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[01:16:41] <zeeshan> i will be doing peel milling
[01:17:20] <CaptHindsight> http://thingiverse-production-new.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/6c/8d/bb/53/5a/IMG_6418_preview_featured.jpg
[01:17:30] <CaptHindsight> is that anything like this? ^^^
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[01:32:51] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight so far we have not found the right one but we are still looking ;)
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[01:34:19] <BKLN_DUDE> Does anyone here know use the Mesa 5I25/7i76 combo with linuxcnc
[01:34:22] <PetefromTn_> We did make it to the beach today tho :D
[01:34:27] <BKLN_DUDE> (or at least know about it)
[01:34:31] <jdh> look farther south... get an extra bedroom, maybe a guest apt
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[01:36:16] <BKLN_DUDE> Or does anyone know about hardware vs software step generation?
[01:37:09] <jdh> do you have a specific question or area of interest?
[01:40:06] <BKLN_DUDE> Yep: I'm using a 5I25/7I76 combo in pncconf that gets ~190ipm.
[01:40:29] <BKLN_DUDE> But when I use software stepping I get over 700ipm.
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[01:40:47] <BKLN_DUDE> This makes no sense to me, because sw stepping is supposed to be slower than the Mesa hardware.
[01:40:53] <reddress> hi
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[01:42:20] <BKLN_DUDE> The software stepping uses a parallel port card -- just testing the difference between the two. And I get these odd results.
[01:42:59] <dressandheels> BKLN_DUDE: what are you trying to do?
[01:47:11] <BKLN_DUDE> dressandheeels: It's for a CNC machine. I'm testing the difference between LinuxCNC's software stepping and hardware stepping.
[01:48:14] <BKLN_DUDE> I have a Mesa 5i25 (really a 6i25) and a 7i76 combo for hardware. I've configured it using pncconf. It only get's ~190 before the motor stalls (while jogging).
[01:48:55] <BKLN_DUDE> But! Software stepping with a significantly cheaper PCI parallel port card get's over 700ipm.
[01:49:28] <BKLN_DUDE> I've swapped drivers around, motors, etc -- looking for the reason why the hardware is "slower" than the software.
[01:49:45] <BKLN_DUDE> Perhaps there's something I'm doing wrong, or something I don't know
[01:49:56] <witnit> can you post your ini and hal?
[01:50:06] <witnit> i suspect a cap on your velocity
[01:50:12] <witnit> or some tuning issue
[01:50:22] <BKLN_DUDE> Mm. It's on the cnc machine downstairs (sadly).
[01:50:26] <dressandheels> BKLN_DUDE: I know It's for a cnc..
[01:51:14] <BKLN_DUDE> I'd arguably say it's not necessarily related to the INI and HAL files. Why? I've tweaked the timings. It's inherent to using sw vs hw.
[01:51:33] <dressandheels> I'm using dual lpt with mach3 and it's work fine for me, even on 3d machining and very long code.
[01:51:36] <witnit> suit yourself then
[01:52:27] <dressandheels> but I want to change the setup to linuxcnc to get better performance for my servo motors.
[01:52:36] <jdh> heh, looked like you said you used mach3
[01:53:21] <BKLN_DUDE> lol, sorry witnit. It's in the basement. I'd have to fire everything back up. I doubt there's anything in there that would say 'HERE IT IS!'. It's not really a question about the configuration. Technically, it would be if the sw stepping was too slow or was causing trouble. It's the hw stepping that's slow.
[01:53:25] <dressandheels> I'm with mach3 now..
[01:53:44] <malcom2073> BKLN_DUDE: The big difference between your software and hardware setup is: The configuration :)
[01:54:25] <dressandheels> I'm too lazy on install linux cnc and redone eveything
[01:54:28] <BKLN_DUDE> malcolm2073: alright. I'll reconfigure the files and send them. I seriously doubt there's anything useful there. :(
[01:54:59] <dressandheels> BKLN_DUDE: pastebin your configuration files.
[01:55:10] <BKLN_DUDE> brb
[01:55:11] <malcom2073> If you doubt there is, then why not look at the other places that are different between the HW and SW setup?
[01:56:05] <dressandheels> I'm starving
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[02:05:19] <BKLYN_DUDE_BASEM> okay
[02:05:30] <BKLYN_DUDE_BASEM> which files do you want me to pastebin
[02:05:32] <BKLYN_DUDE_BASEM> ?
[02:08:38] <BKLYN_DUDE_BASEM> software stepping ini: http://pastebin.com/nWKJtXYp
[02:09:50] <BKLYN_DUDE_BASEM> hardware stepping ini: http://pastebin.com/WZdQ2aCd
[02:10:58] <BKLYN_DUDE_BASEM> software_stepping_hal: http://pastebin.com/jzFArVKp
[02:12:03] <BKLYN_DUDE_BASEM> hw_stepping_hal: http://pastebin.com/LhmqMq5k
[02:12:20] <BKLYN_DUDE_BASEM> pay attention to the x axis -- the others are not connected.
[02:13:06] <malcom2073> Your hardware stepping ini has a X axis max velocity set to significantly lower than the software, also software steplen and stepspace are set differently, why?
[02:15:08] <BKLN_DUDE> Q: "Your hardware stepping ini has a X axis max velocity set to significantly lower than the software"
[02:15:10] <BKLN_DUDE> A: for the first part of the question: because the motor stalls if it's any higher
[02:15:45] <BKLN_DUDE> Q: "also software steplen and stepspace are set differently, why?
[02:15:46] <BKLN_DUDE> A: Because those are the timings where they don't stall.
[02:16:05] <malcom2073> They should be set as appropriate for your stepper driver
[02:16:10] <BKLN_DUDE> right
[02:16:11] <malcom2073> In both
[02:16:13] <BKLN_DUDE> they are
[02:16:15] <malcom2073> Which one is right?
[02:16:23] <BKLN_DUDE> both
[02:16:26] <BKLN_DUDE> "why"
[02:16:30] <malcom2073> So you're using two different stepper drivers?
[02:16:38] <BKLN_DUDE> Nope
[02:16:42] <ssi> so loud in here all of a sudden :P
[02:16:56] <BKLN_DUDE> there is a case where I am, but this is not it
[02:17:38] <BKLN_DUDE> those are MA860H clones from stepper-online. I have some Gecko GM215s, but we're not talking about those. Those are great.
[02:17:57] <BKLN_DUDE> ssi: because we're doing science :D
[02:18:36] <malcom2073> BKLN_DUDE: Stalling as in stopping motion and being silent, or stalling as in stopping motion and making a grinding noise?
[02:19:00] <BKLN_DUDE> mmm, more like an audible whirr -- like it's locking up.
[02:19:18] <BKLN_DUDE> the grinding noise is if I get the timings totally wrong.
[02:19:21] <ssi> I wanna do science
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[02:19:28] <BKLN_DUDE> Let's do it!
[02:19:35] <SSI_IS_ALSO_SCIE> YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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[02:19:46] <BKLN_DUDE> <fireworks!>
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[02:20:49] <BeachBumPete> Whaaa?
[02:20:55] <BKLN_DUDE> So, the weird thing: in sw it takes one set of timings, in hardware another. Not so bad, just that it's significantly slower. Which doesn't make any rational sense.
[02:20:55] <malcom2073> BKLN_DUDE: ARe you using closed loop steppers?
[02:21:02] <BKLN_DUDE> Open.
[02:21:06] <ssi> BeachBumPete: lol
[02:21:10] <malcom2073> Why do you have closed loop stepper signals?
[02:21:24] <BKLN_DUDE> mmm, where would I change that?
[02:21:25] <BeachBumPete> :D
[02:21:40] <BKLN_DUDE> is this in hw or sw?
[02:21:45] <malcom2073> in hw
[02:21:54] <BKLN_DUDE> let's hope that was the idiot mistake
[02:21:56] <BKLN_DUDE> brb
[02:22:03] <malcom2073> I've not configured a 5i25 in a very long time though, so someone else will ahve to chirp upon that, Idon't recall that being in there
[02:24:38] <BKLYN_DUDE_BASEM> I'm looking for where in pncconf to disable an encoder (closed loop) -- I don't see one.
[02:27:40] <BKLYN_DUDE_BASEM> I see "encoder scale" in Axis Scale Calculation under pncconf. It's grayed out.
[02:27:47] <BKLYN_DUDE_BASEM> nothing to change there.
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[02:45:52] <evil_ren> machining so much air
[02:46:28] <evil_ren> i wish i understood fusions 360's ramp in logic, last 3 depths, wants to be .1" above even if it knows from rest machining nothing there
[02:46:40] <evil_ren> but on final depth it just goes for it, no ramp
[02:46:44] <evil_ren> shrug
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[02:57:18] <BKLN_DUDE> evil_ren: http://theqyd.blogspot.com/2015/09/milling-brass-using-othermill.html
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[02:57:45] <BKLN_DUDE> That may not answer your question directly, but it has some tips on how to balance ramping in F360
[02:58:21] <BKLN_DUDE> Mostly what each setting means and what it does -- so you can figure out how it relates to what you're trying to cut. Also, and you probably know this, run a simulation to see what's happening.
[02:59:23] <BKLN_DUDE> You want to look at the min/max stepdown with ramping. Probably use something like zig-zag or smooth profile.
[02:59:37] <BKLN_DUDE> Wish I had more specific answers, but that may help. :)
[03:00:53] <pink_vampire> hi
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[03:12:28] <witnit> anyone recognize this machine brand? http://www.independentintime.com/storage/basel-2009/mcgonigle/Lathe1.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1243707566562
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[03:15:35] <witnit> I dont really have any leftovers, should we stop and get something to stock the fridge at the shop up with?
[03:15:37] <witnit> hahaha
[03:15:41] <witnit> wrong box!
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[03:25:14] <evil_ren> bkln_dude: thanks!
[03:25:22] <BKLN_DUDE> np
[03:25:42] <evil_ren> i had to tweak rampdown a bunch to get it to machine some little pockets
[03:26:20] <evil_ren> i think it might have to do with the one of the lift parameters
[03:27:08] <evil_ren> 3d pocket maybe ignores that for final depth because it knows its machined it, otherwise sticks to whichever safe lift parameter
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[04:09:57] <pcw_home> BKLN_DUDE: maybe marginal step timings? the hardware times are quite accurate but the software steptimes may be many usec longer than specified
[04:10:42] <BKLN_DUDE> pcw_home: not sure what you mean
[04:12:10] <pcw_home> if you say set the software stepgen to 5 usec it may generate a 10 usec pulse, the hardware pulse lengths are quite close (with 30 ns or so)
[04:12:30] <pcw_home> so you may have marginal timing
[04:14:41] <pcw_home> with 2540 steps/inch, you could get to 1200 IPM with 10 usec steptime/stepspace timings so 10/10 usec might be worth a try
[04:17:55] <Jymmm> That's just crazy 'braking the speed of light' talk right there!
[04:18:02] <Jymmm> breaking*
[04:19:08] <Jymmm> Wait, braking light speed... is that like those cop dudes in Tron?
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[04:41:31] <archivist> witnit there are a few jig mills like that in form, I dont recognise that particular one
[04:43:02] <archivist> hauser, BCA, SIP
[04:45:26] <pink_vampire> hi
[04:47:11] <archivist> witnit it is a Hauser M1 http://www.lathes.co.uk/hauser/
[04:47:16] <pink_vampire> long nails and deburring - such a horrible combination
[04:48:02] <pink_vampire> any idea about a deburring bit?
[04:48:40] <archivist> witnit, and with that version of rotary http://www.lathes.co.uk/hauser/page7.html
[04:48:48] <pink_vampire> steel brush? chamfer bit?
[04:48:57] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51lo7Gc8U-L._SL1000_.jpg
[04:49:14] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[04:50:11] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: http://cdn.topdogtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Best-Dog-Nail-Clippers-for-Home-Pet-Groomers.jpg
[04:50:35] <pink_vampire> OMG!! NO! NO! NO!
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[04:59:33] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: I'll toss in a can of pink spray paint, how's that?
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[05:00:51] <pink_vampire> i like clear shiny nail polish.
[05:01:09] <Jymmm> I meant for the dremel
[05:01:27] <Jymmm> or sawzall
[05:01:35] <Jymmm> or bandsaw
[05:01:48] <Jymmm> that will cut your nails for you.
[05:03:58] <pink_vampire> NO NO NO, NEVER MESS WITH MY NAILS!
[05:07:17] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: ^
[05:07:40] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: hang on, I'm looking for my chainsaw
[05:13:44] <pink_vampire> my nails right now http://i.imgur.com/vgUMiFn.png
[05:13:51] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: ^
[05:15:05] <Jymmm> Oh, I dont need a chainsaw for that, a 4" angle grinder with cutoff wheel will work just fine.
[05:15:19] <Jymmm> Hold stil now...
[05:15:23] <Jymmm> still*
[05:15:59] <pink_vampire> want to cry :(
[05:16:33] <Jymmm> just dont rub your eyes if you do
[05:19:11] <pink_vampire> sure, the tears can can dry my hand skin.
[05:24:03] <Jymmm> lol
[05:27:38] <pink_vampire> look how shiny is my skin.
[05:27:48] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/vgUMiFn.png
[05:28:59] <pink_vampire> and the perfect cuticles..
[05:29:51] <toastydeath> welp, that's terrifying.
[05:30:16] <pink_vampire> no!
[05:30:28] <pink_vampire> that's cuuuute
[05:32:09] <Jymmm> is there a face or body that goes with the nails?
[05:32:16] <SpeedEvil> Never understood long nails.
[05:32:54] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: They're for... um, nm.
[05:33:23] <pink_vampire> you can't see the beauty about them?
[05:34:19] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: i'm not sure what do you mean
[05:34:22] <Jymmm> 'natural' color long nails like that kind creep me out. White or any non transparent color is another thing.
[05:37:23] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: do you want me to paint them pink for you?
[05:38:05] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Pink? No.
[05:39:28] <pink_vampire> what is you favorite color?
[05:39:39] <tiwake> purple.
[05:40:05] <SpeedEvil> pink_vampire: I find them ugly.
[05:40:23] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: FM Red
[05:40:27] <SpeedEvil> I don't understand many fashion choices.
[05:43:27] <tiwake> SpeedEvil: good, it means you are sane.
[05:44:41] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: This color would be acceptable http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/6lm7kt-l-610x610-shoes-high+heels-heels-red+heels-red-red+shoes-platform-pumps-fuck+heels-hot-hipster-neon-high-redheels-bright+red+shoes-pink+high+heels-platform+high+heels-high+heal-red+high+heel.jpg
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[05:48:56] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/pwj6L
[05:49:39] <Jymmm> tampon == pads
[05:51:25] <Jymmm> How do you write 'E subset k' typically?
[05:57:11] <pink_vampire> I like heels but not that high.
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[06:04:20] <pink_vampire> also the red is too much red
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[06:11:26] <pink_vampire> any idea how to make brushed aluminum on the cnc?
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[06:11:58] <Jymmm> wire cup brush?
[06:12:24] <pink_vampire> what type?
[06:12:53] <Jymmm> how many types are there?
[06:12:55] <pink_vampire> I want it to be lines, not circles
[06:13:01] <pink_vampire> alot
[06:13:09] <Jymmm> links?
[06:14:14] <pink_vampire> https://www.google.com/search?q=wire+cup+brush%3F&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNp8HH5OzLAhXJ9h4KHWruDCcQ_AUICCgC&biw=1440&bih=738
[06:15:00] <Jymmm> whichever gives you the look you want
[06:15:37] <Jymmm> these are cheap and plenitful http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/820909/820909700890lg.jpg
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[06:16:15] <pink_vampire> but it will make circles all over the plate
[06:22:40] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ru5QoYgpGw
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[06:33:01] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: that machine look amazing.
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[06:35:43] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: wanna see some porn?
[06:36:34] <pink_vampire> that kind?
[06:36:38] <CaptHindsight> whaddayah suppose they paid for dat machine?
[06:37:10] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Aviation use.... three arms, 4 legs, and 15 first born.
[06:37:45] <CaptHindsight> humans or skin jobs?
[06:38:35] <Jymmm> yes
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[06:39:26] <pink_vampire> ?'
[06:51:26] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoBbWBtAuqw
[06:52:02] <Jymmm> thats not porn! eeeesh
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[06:54:45] <MrTrick> heh, "made in a numerically tape controlled milling machine" http://hackaday.com/2016/03/24/retrotechtacular-blacksmithing-to-the-stars/
[06:55:18] <MrTrick> also, that billet cutting machine... O_O (it's cutting at about 8 rpm)
[06:57:29] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Now, here's some porn baby!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgIMqTVBnSs
[06:57:48] <pink_vampire> dmg,,,
[06:57:51] <pink_vampire> yeah
[06:58:26] <pink_vampire> I like the B axis
[07:00:37] <pink_vampire> how it work?
[07:01:02] <pink_vampire> the spindle attached to rotating platform?
[07:01:32] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: ^
[07:01:45] <Jymmm> nfc
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[07:02:21] <Deejay> moin
[07:03:19] <pink_vampire> nfc?
[07:03:23] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
[07:03:41] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: NFC = No Fucking Clue =)
[07:03:47] <MrTrick> (also a 50 000 ton press. O_O)
[07:04:13] <MrTrick> and forging tungsten. I'm sure that's kinda tricky.
[07:04:36] <pink_vampire> I think b axis will be useful for my machine for 3d machining
[07:06:40] <pink_vampire> what is the bg music???
[07:12:55] <pink_vampire> where can I get large ball bearing?
[07:13:11] <pink_vampire> 1/2" or bigger.
[07:13:15] <pink_vampire> I mean local
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[07:23:39] <pink_vampire> I need one with high grade
[07:23:46] <pink_vampire> for calibration
[07:24:28] <archivist> never heard of a ball bearing used for calibration
[07:24:42] <archivist> use the right tool for the job
[07:26:27] <pink_vampire> archivist: now you can learn something
[07:26:28] <pink_vampire> https://www.google.com/search?q=calibration+sphere+tool&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipiKjS9OzLAhUE7B4KHaBYDiUQsAQIRg&biw=1440&bih=738
[07:30:56] <pink_vampire> archivist: http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-3060-0310
[07:31:04] <pink_vampire> Price: $1,258.00
[07:31:38] <pink_vampire> so.. high grade ball bearing will do the same for me
[07:31:45] <pink_vampire> archivist: ??
[07:33:51] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reinshaw-CMM-Universal-Datum-Sphere-/172148535306?hash=item2814da300a:g:J4MAAOSwZ8ZW99Zr
[07:33:57] <pink_vampire> $299.99
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[07:36:10] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/One-2-Inch-G25-Precision-Chrome-Steel-Ball-Bearing-AISI-52100-/221513639450?hash=item33933de61a:g:ylEAAOSw54xUWZcA
[07:36:17] <pink_vampire> US $15.89
[07:37:15] <pink_vampire> I will just need to edm a hole in it, and connect a holder for it.
[07:39:20] <pink_vampire> any idea how do drill Silicon Nitride?
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[08:02:24] <ReadError> whats the name of the tool used for cutting a slot for a c-clip
[08:02:47] <ReadError> slotting tool is giving me a bunch of other things (for inside of a part etc)
[08:02:51] <ReadError> lathe tool..
[08:05:49] <pink_vampire> I think Just diamond will make it,
[08:07:37] <ReadError> seems like people make their own for the really thin ones
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[08:09:35] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZBiZu8FxC4
[08:10:01] <pink_vampire> I want to make a datum sphere like that
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[08:48:15] <archivist_herron> ReadError, slitting saw
[08:49:43] <archivist_herron> pink_vampire, datum sphere is something you should buy, or use the largest ruby stylus you can
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[08:51:17] <archivist_herron> pink_vampire, as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XIscw-ciEg
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[09:30:02] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[09:36:39] <Loetmichel2> after breaking two glass panes 260€ each... i decided to make something less rage inducing... so i made a new stand for my notebook.. above the multimeter..-> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16209 http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16212 ;-)
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[10:08:47] <XXCoder> looks nice Loetmichel2
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[10:11:09] <Loetmichel2> was a nice half an hour to relax the fingers to not break ANOTHER glass pane
[10:16:22] <XXCoder> indeed.
[10:17:17] <XXCoder> cutting clear plastic into stuff is one of stuff I want to do with machine
[10:20:54] <Loetmichel2> its 1/8" pmma
[10:21:11] <Loetmichel2> not THAT rigid but sufficient for such a lightweight notebook
[10:21:29] <Loetmichel2> also boos now brigns down his Ipad to get one made for videoconverencing ;)
[10:21:37] <Loetmichel2> -v+f
[10:21:45] <XXCoder> well it can be compesed with structure if it needed more
[10:21:55] <XXCoder> like "I beams"
[10:22:24] <Loetmichel2> yeah, problem is that the multimeter sits underneath
[10:22:37] <Loetmichel2> no room for any i-beams there ;)
[10:23:23] <XXCoder> too bad heh
[10:23:40] <XXCoder> http://nerdapproved.com/approved-products/labyrinth-door-knockers/
[10:23:46] <XXCoder> I think I wanna try make those
[10:23:54] <XXCoder> I love that movie.
[10:24:27] <XXCoder> did you know the goblin king was not supposed to have that big bulge? apparently it was joke for that lady actor, he kept increasing size
[10:24:39] <XXCoder> but director decided to makwe him wear one in movie
[10:25:38] <Loetmichel2> as long as they dont start to talk when you knock...
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[10:26:19] <XXCoder> in movie they did
[10:26:32] <XXCoder> the one with connections in ears was hard of hearing
[10:26:39] <XXCoder> well you can figure the issue with other one.
[10:26:49] <XXCoder> though she solved it handly
[10:29:49] <Loetmichel2> i meant its ok to have them on my door, as long as they keep silend and dont start arguing withvisitors
[10:29:55] <Loetmichel2> i know the movie
[10:33:17] <XXCoder> oh lol
[10:33:28] <XXCoder> its among my favorites
[10:34:01] <XXCoder> other catalogery - puppets, the dark crystal is the best
[10:34:17] <XXCoder> no movie puppet based will beat it
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[12:55:01] <Loetmichel2> hihi, tested my webcam on the notebook... works... and soldering is a repetive job if you have 25 ampligfier boards to do... -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xnwZU2bd2Q
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[13:17:23] * JT-Shop wonders what he was thinking about spending hours to make a part that sells for $4
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[13:57:19] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: It happens, maybe it's the method used and it's "future" potential.
[13:58:56] <JT-Shop> it could be a loss leader if I had any sales :(
[13:59:39] <Jymmm> What was the part?
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[14:16:38] <JT-Shop> http://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=70&product_id=88
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[14:20:59] <Loetmichel2> JT-Shop: dont worry
[14:21:19] <Loetmichel2> i repaired an $3 computer mouse once
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[14:21:51] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11726
[14:22:09] <Loetmichel2> milled a new hex end for the mouse wheel
[14:22:11] <Loetmichel2> broke off
[14:22:23] <Loetmichel2> ... about 2 hours work ;)
[14:22:36] <Loetmichel2> so you are not by far the worst time waster ;)
[14:24:03] <JT-Shop> I can do better than that for personal stuff
[14:25:19] <Jymmm> lol
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[14:27:46] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel2: On the bright side, you tripled the mouse value.
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[14:38:23] <JT-Shop> can clonezilla create an install disk for a disk image?
[14:42:19] <_methods> an install disk for a disk image?
[14:42:43] <JT-Shop> yea, this computer won't boot with the clonezilla disk
[14:42:55] <_methods> windows?
[14:43:01] <JT-Shop> so I'm trying to figure out how to install the disk image
[14:43:07] <JT-Shop> linuxmint 17.2
[14:43:22] <_methods> i've never tried using clonezilla for linux
[14:43:27] <_methods> i just use dd
[14:44:36] <_methods> do you still have the original disk you wanted to copy?
[14:44:52] <JT-Shop> yea it's in the linux cave computer
[14:45:04] <_methods> dd will make a complete copy of the drive including boot stuff
[14:45:13] <JT-Shop> it's all configured like I like so I want to copy it to the shop linux computer
[14:45:35] <Jymmm> So you already created an img file?
[14:45:36] <JT-Shop> don't the drives have to be the same size?
[14:45:48] <Jymmm> not necessarily
[14:45:57] <_methods> they don't but if it's larger you'll have to do some adjusting after the install
[14:46:15] <Jymmm> or have wasted space you cant use
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[14:46:27] <_methods> well you can use that space later
[14:46:38] <_methods> you'll have to do some partitioning
[14:46:42] <Jymmm> adter you've mucked with resizing partitions that is
[14:46:43] <_methods> after
[14:47:36] <_methods> but i don't know anything about clonezilla
[14:47:42] <_methods> so i'll just shut up
[14:47:49] <_methods> the img may work as you have it now
[14:49:33] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: The SIMPLEST way... Is just grab the hdd you want to copy, toss it into the machine you want it copied to. then boot from sysresccd or another livecd, and dd it
[14:49:58] <_methods> ^^
[14:50:55] <_methods> Prior to cloning did you check the /etc/fstab file and the /boot/grub/menu.lst of the old hard drive, to see if it uses disk-by-id identification in the /etc/fstab, the /boot/grub/menu.lst, and the /boot/grub/device.map files ?
[14:51:20] <JT-Shop> that's all greek to me
[14:51:21] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: You only need an img file is 1) you plan on using it on multiple machines, or 2) you want a backup
[14:51:30] <_methods> cause if it copied all that stuff over it will think your disk doesn't exist
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[14:51:48] <malcom2073> JT-Shop: Is the machine using UEFI or legacy bios?
[14:51:50] <Jymmm> _methods: you are overwhelming him
[14:51:57] <_methods> sorry
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[14:52:21] <JT-Shop> malcom2073: I have no clue what that is
[14:52:34] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: What I described about is simple a hdd to hdd copy.
[14:52:46] <Jymmm> above*
[14:52:56] <malcom2073> JT-Shop: Something that will bite you in the ass with newer motherboards when you're cloning images heh
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[14:53:45] <JT-Shop> that's why I like clonezilla, it donesn't bite back
[14:53:50] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Which he doesn't have to deal with using dd as I mentioned
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[14:54:08] <malcom2073> Jymmm: No, clonezilla properly handles it, DD doesn't
[14:54:32] <malcom2073> However, if he can't boot from the clonezilla cd, it's possible he's using the non-uefi cd on a uefi motherboard
[14:55:02] <malcom2073> All pure speculation, but you should fix the first issue: A bootable CD not being bootable
[14:55:21] <Jymmm> Again, overload
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[14:56:21] <_methods> not to overload but i'm guessing the /etc/fstab uuid for the old drive is still in there and it's not going to boot on the new drive until you change uuid
[14:56:41] <malcom2073> Jymmm: My apologies, I'll shush then and let you handle it :)
[14:56:47] <JT-Shop> the CD boots on all my other computers but not this one :(
[14:56:57] <_methods> hmm
[14:56:58] <JT-Shop> might try a different dvd drive
[14:57:12] <_methods> oh well damn
[14:57:36] <_methods> if it boots on other stuff then that uuid stuff isn't the issue
[14:58:35] <rwlloyd> Afternoon. Has anybody here got experience of setting up the hal and ini files for 5 Axis systems. Especially getting the toolpath to display properly in axis. I've been poking around in the dark for a couple of days now and I'm at a loss where/how to best learn about this stuff. Do I need to look at kinematics etc?
[14:58:56] <_methods> i don't think axis will correctly display 5 axis toolpaths
[14:59:52] <JT-Shop> rwlloyd: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html#_display_section
[15:00:30] <cradek> aha JT-Shop was faster
[15:00:43] <cradek> yes, check [DISPLAY]GEOMETRY
[15:00:51] <JT-Shop> at least I know the answer to that question lol
[15:01:18] * JT-Shop likes glabels
[15:01:19] <cradek> the AXIS preview does show 5-axis programs correctly when configured for your machine
[15:01:29] <_methods> ah
[15:01:37] <rwlloyd> I've seen this. It's the vagaries of the GEOMETRY = XYZABCUVW section that has me stumped. I seem to have a setup unlike any of the examples and I'm confused as how best to make modifications
[15:01:44] <cradek> 5 axis code has many flavors
[15:01:57] <cradek> what's your setup?
[15:02:46] <_methods> good to know i thought it wouldn't disply 5 axis correctly
[15:04:41] <rwlloyd> Indeed it does. In this case i have an XYZ milling machine type setup with trunion as the A axis and rotary axis sat on the trunion initially in a c axs orientation. But of course, that changes as soon as you move A
[15:04:43] <_methods> i guess that got fixed back in 2007 lol
[15:08:00] <rwlloyd> I believe I either have to change the kinematic or hal file, but I'm not sure about exactly how to. Honestly, I could do with a well commented example :)
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[15:15:06] <rwlloyd> Well this is an awkward silence.... it has confused me too!
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[15:15:49] <gregcnc> isn't XYZAC a typical setup for 5 axis?
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[15:16:50] <BKLYN_DUDE> does anyone know why software stepping (using a parallel port card) would be faster than hardware stepping (using a Mesa 6i25/7i76)?
[15:17:04] <rwlloyd> I thought so, but the examples seem to have a gantry arrangement. Honesty, I don't know where to put in offsets either
[15:17:39] <BKLYN_DUDE> for all intents and purposes, it's the same driver with the same timings.
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[15:25:21] <CaptHindsight> BKLYN_DUDE: why would it? Isn't it the other way around?
[15:27:38] <pcw_home> couple possibilities: too short step pulse (increase), wrong step polarity (change)
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[15:28:26] <CaptHindsight> misconfiguration
[15:28:39] <pcw_home> wiring issues...
[15:28:52] <Jaypee> Higuys
[15:29:47] <Jaypee> testing my stepper and driver on linux cnc
[15:30:15] <Jaypee> turns fine in one direction though in the other it just jerks around
[15:30:54] <pcw_home> bad level on direction pin?
[15:31:09] <Jaypee> level?
[15:31:20] <pcw_home> signal level
[15:31:36] <Jaypee> you mean noise
[15:31:46] <archivist> Jaypee, also see http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Drive_Timing
[15:32:17] <pcw_home> measure signal level in both directions at drive
[15:32:28] <CaptHindsight> Jaypee: is the stepper motor connected to a screw or pulley with a load or is nothing attached to the motors shaft?
[15:32:32] <Jaypee> right i'll get onit
[15:32:55] <archivist> but yes check drive levels on the pins, some BOBs have a resistor as well as the driver, so the opto does not get driven fully
[15:33:16] <_methods> wow this is nice
[15:33:23] <_methods> a day full of legitimate questions
[15:33:49] <CaptHindsight> it's just starting :)
[15:33:57] <archivist> but how shall I choose my chinese gantry
[15:34:04] <_methods> NOOOOOOOOOO
[15:34:06] * archivist ducks
[15:34:06] <_methods> damn you archivist
[15:34:11] <CaptHindsight> magic 8-ball
[15:34:37] <gregcnc> just google and click i'm feeling lucky
[15:35:10] <CaptHindsight> heh, thats how I ended up with a shovel made of meat
[15:35:19] <rwlloyd> My day is just about finished. I'll have a crack at this configuration over the weekend. Hopefully there will be some people about on monday when i'm close to breaking.
[15:38:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160331-shanghai-funeral-home-3d-prints-body-parts-to-repair-corpses.html
[15:38:39] <Jaypee> found it: it was indeed noise coming from my 24V psu
[15:39:17] <Jaypee> i was using http://eu.stepperonline.com/download/pdf/5_Axis_CNC_Breakout_Board_Interface_Users_Manual.pdf with a 24v psu
[15:39:26] <Jaypee> the power was dirty though
[15:39:51] <Jaypee> used usb power for the board and it worked
[15:40:01] <CaptHindsight> I have that BOB on the desk in front of me
[15:42:17] <archivist> that bob usually is ok but I got some noise driving the inputs not hard enough
[15:42:54] <archivist> I was using 5v for the input optos and they are set up for 12
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[15:45:05] <pcw_home> Yeah noise often means bad levels ( not enough noise margin )
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[15:47:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160401-carbon-releases-first-commercial-clip-based-3d-printer-the-m1.html
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[15:48:00] <CaptHindsight> you can DIY this by flipping it for top down printing for ~$1k
[15:48:19] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> when using pncconf I can't seem to go past 6000 when using mm instead of inches, why is that?
[15:49:34] <archivist> could be a bug
[15:49:41] <cradek> 6000 what?
[15:49:52] <CaptHindsight> BKLYN_BASEMENT: post your ini?
[15:49:58] <Jaypee> thanks for the help btw
[15:50:08] <CaptHindsight> -?
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[15:54:18] <BKLYN_BASEMENT_> ini: http://pastebin.com/WZdQ2aCd
[15:54:55] <Loetmichel2> *GNAHHHH* gibts eigentlich IRGENDEINE firma die weiss was sie tut? ISP der firma legt grade faser zu den nachbarn mit der Erdrakete... sie haben UNSERE faser mitten durchgebohrt.... die letzen 4 stunden lief die firma heute auf meinem Handy mit LTE... (eben den router umkonfiguriert) was gut daß ich 6gb im monat an daten darf... ;)
[15:55:38] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> honestly, the big problem I'm having is that I get 700ipm with software step generation and 190ipm with hardware (single motor)
[15:55:45] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> I'm baffled
[15:55:57] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> I almost want to return the Mesa card.
[15:56:00] <pcw_home> pncconf has a max velocity in metric mode of 100 (= 100 mm/sec = 6000 mm/min) so you need to hand edit the config file
[15:56:04] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> but it's too late
[15:56:24] <pcw_home> did you try my suggestions?
[15:56:32] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> yeeeep
[15:56:46] <cradek> heh 2539.9999 seems an unlikely scale
[15:56:56] <Loetmichel2> oh sorry
[15:57:08] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> 1.27 rotations per inch
[15:57:13] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> 20mm pitch
[15:58:19] <pcw_home> I dont see that you did in the ini file, can you try setting the step time to 10 usec and also verify that you have the correct step polarity
[15:58:40] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> pcw_home: thank you very much!
[15:58:50] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> okay
[15:59:02] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> the config file limit makes sense, by the way
[15:59:04] <Loetmichel2> translation: *GNAH* Is there ANY company out there that knows their job? the local ISP is putting FTTH to the neighbor in the ground... with an "earth rocket"... hitting OUR fibre in the process. our company was run for the last 4 hours today with my private Cellphones data plan... luckily my plan is 6gb/month ;)
[15:59:52] <CaptHindsight> _methods: they fooled us by making all week April Fools Day
[16:00:26] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> pcw_home: I can't go past 5000 ns
[16:00:36] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> (5usec)
[16:00:59] <pcw_home> yo cab go up to about 3 ms
[16:01:06] <pcw_home> you can
[16:01:16] <pcw_home> edit the ini file
[16:01:17] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> every time I edit it, it changes back
[16:01:27] <pcw_home> dont use pncconf
[16:01:34] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> yikes
[16:01:38] <archivist> hand edit the ini files, forget and dont run pncconf
[16:01:39] <pcw_home> edit the ini file
[16:01:44] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> okay
[16:02:10] <archivist> those crutches dont read your edits
[16:02:40] <pcw_home> not being able to go to full speed suggests a timing or interface level problem
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[16:09:47] <BKLYN_BASEMENT_> weird
[16:10:25] <BKLYN_BASEMENT_> I've always tested the changes by jogging in pncconf -- but you're right, it isn't picking up the changes
[16:10:36] <BKLYN_BASEMENT_> anything we can do to fix that?
[16:10:54] <BKLYN_BASEMENT_> (seems simple enough)
[16:12:06] <archivist> it has its own database, it is a serious change to make it read the ini file
[16:12:17] <BKLYN_BASEMENT_> guh
[16:12:20] <BKLYN_BASEMENT_> okay
[16:12:21] <CaptHindsight> pncconf is just for setting up simple configs, you need to hand edit
[16:12:31] <BKLYN_BASEMENT_> where can I test it?
[16:12:33] <archivist> because it then has to understand all possible configs
[16:12:35] <BKLYN_BASEMENT_> in the screen itself?
[16:12:48] <archivist> in axis
[16:12:49] <BKLYN_BASEMENT_> when I jog, will that be the full speed?
[16:12:52] <BKLYN_BASEMENT_> okay
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[16:20:38] <BROOKLYN_BASEMEN> now it's crashing: http://pastebin.com/N8C9j1LW
[16:21:07] <BROOKLYN_BASEMEN> ah
[16:21:16] <BROOKLYN_BASEMEN> reading the stack, I'm using vnc
[16:21:22] <BROOKLYN_BASEMEN> that's why
[16:23:38] <cpresser> wow, pastebin has a nice april-fools-thing :)
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[16:24:49] <maxcnc> hi from a very unexpected cold germany
[16:25:09] <maxcnc> Loetmichel2: did you feel some head today
[16:26:18] <ssi> wow phrasing
[16:30:59] <CaptHindsight> lol
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[16:34:19] <Sync> cpresser: I wouldn't mind if it stayed the same forever :D
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[16:37:34] <_methods> so much comic sans hate lol
[16:40:21] <Sync> comic sans = best sans
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[16:41:50] <CaptHindsight> is that anything like dingbats?
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[16:50:15] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> what does 1 joint following error mean?\
[16:51:31] <PCW> probably stepgen setup error of some kind
[16:51:42] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> kk
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[16:53:12] <PCW> most commonly stepgen maxvel or maxaccel doesn't have headroom above machine velocity or accel
[16:53:33] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> okay
[16:53:47] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> so it doesn't go above 7usec
[16:53:58] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> it likes ~5, 5, 20, 20
[16:54:22] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> which is pretty consistent with what's in it's manuals -- it's a MA860H clone
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[16:54:30] <PCW> umm not true, step time can be set to > 1000 usec
[16:54:39] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> yes
[16:54:49] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> it can be set, but my driver hates it
[16:54:50] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> :D
[16:55:37] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> it's nothing fancy, just a MA860H clone
[16:55:57] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> so, this probably means that the 700+ ipm I was getting while jogging may well be filled with errors
[16:56:06] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> which makes me happy
[16:56:08] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> why?
[16:56:21] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> I have GM215s
[16:56:42] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> I wanted to see how much better sw stepping was vs hw stepping
[16:57:08] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> also, I wanted to see how much better the GM215s were vs MA860Hs
[16:57:36] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> so, later I'm going to test sw stepping the same way with similar timings and see if I encounter any errors
[16:58:03] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> thanks for you help, also -- it gave me some insight. Basically, don't trust pncconf too much. Get my hands dirty
[16:58:25] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> cya later -- I'll pass by with the results of the testing later.
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[17:01:39] <maxcnc> hi all
[17:02:19] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
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[17:26:27] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t34.0-12/12910964_10154070272743648_2047368385_n.jpg?oh=62944f929fa07a246c2bd02eb9363b0c&oe=57017CAC the little X1 got some more love today =) some place to store the tools associated with it =)
[17:43:29] <Erant> MrSunshine: Nice. Have you thought about the bigger table for the X1?
[17:43:50] <MrSunshine> yeah but no money to buy new table .. might make myself one later insted :P
[17:44:16] <Erant> I got it with the SX1P, and I appreciate the extra X room, even just for clamping stuff.
[17:44:34] <Wolf_> wow, thats lot of motor on that x1 lol
[17:45:11] <Erant> Yeah, how much is that? I'm at 1/3HP for mine and much more will result in too much flex. Just not rigid enough for that power.
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[17:46:53] <Wolf_> hell the stock motor is too much for it lol http://i.imgur.com/kYDtEtW.jpg
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[17:58:50] <maxcnc> im off BYE
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[18:00:39] <gregcnc> are you building an x1 on an x1?
[18:00:51] <Wolf_> x2 base
[18:01:34] <Wolf_> was milling the base for this http://i.imgur.com/Df3BhTF.jpg
[18:07:20] <DaViruz> that's not a bad idea
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[18:09:10] <Wolf_> I can say that inductive stops was a bad idea, chips stopped the x1 in the middle of a run a couple of times
[18:10:18] <djdelorie> is there any stop technology that's immune to fluids and chips?
[18:10:31] <DaViruz> i've never had limit switches
[18:10:47] <djdelorie> I read that the clearpath ones use "overcurrent" as a stop detection, they literally hit the end of the run and detect the stall
[18:10:50] <DaViruz> (only on my factory built machines)
[18:10:50] <Wolf_> I just want them for homing
[18:12:45] <gregcnc> put them where they are less likely to get covered with chips
[18:12:46] <ssi> properly guarded prox switches
[18:12:52] <ssi> with the encoder index for fine homing
[18:14:41] <Jymmm> "ugears mechanical models" http://ugearsmodels.com/
[18:14:50] <witnit> create a pin and spring in a tube (imagine the clicker on a pen) the inner pin is shoved back and into your proximity switch. this should seal your sensor face from shavings
[18:15:15] <witnit> Wolf_: ^
[18:15:47] <ssi> that's not a bad idea
[18:15:57] <ssi> although it's some work
[18:16:30] <Wolf_> my problem wasn’t the trigger, it was chips building up around the machine
[18:16:37] <Jymmm> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/978262034/ugears-self-propelled-mechanical-models-2/description
[18:17:32] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/WUrLcnK.jpg mine is mounted facing down on the edge of the table, chips built up enough to trigger it
[18:18:15] <Wolf_> I probably just need to flip the angle stock over and use longer screws for the trips
[18:19:49] <witnit> a ramp is best so if you go past limit you do not crash
[18:23:27] <witnit> [~~~~~~~~V~~~~]
[18:23:28] <witnit> if this is your mill the V would be a trip ramp for your sensor underneath with a shield over top to cover it all
[18:23:34] <gregcnc> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1348567444/spin-the-gyroscopic-spintop
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[18:25:06] <_methods> lol
[18:25:15] <_methods> the base is a docking station for when it's not spinning
[18:25:16] <witnit> oh come on
[18:25:17] <_methods> hahahah
[18:25:32] <witnit> we are in the wrong business gusy
[18:25:37] <witnit> we should be making tops
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[18:26:11] <_methods> $25k already
[18:26:53] <gregcnc> decent profit on that one
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[18:27:43] <gregcnc> this one will laser engrave your pancakes, but not print them. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1403065126/trinus-the-affordable-all-metal-3d-printer?ref=category
[18:28:29] <_methods> i guess that isn't just an april fools kickstarter
[18:28:30] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc: http://i.imgur.com/kVgoPGh.jpg
[18:28:46] <gregcnc> lol
[18:28:47] <_methods> maybe if someon put something legitimately innovative on kickstarter that would be the april fools prank
[18:29:07] <Jymmm> lol
[18:29:18] <Jymmm> _methods: bu then nobody would buy it
[18:29:28] <_methods> haha
[18:29:49] <_methods> cause they spent all their money on teh hydro hammock and tops already
[18:29:50] <Jymmm> Just think pet rock and go from there
[18:30:29] <gregcnc> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lavaclip/lavaclip-enjoying-coffee-like-never-before?ref=category
[18:30:38] <Jymmm> it's a fucking rock in a box with straw.
[18:31:57] <Jymmm> Hell, maybe I should sell Pet Pine cones, I got zillions of em!
[18:32:45] <Jymmm> on a bed of genuine pine needles!
[18:32:54] <Jymmm> sorry...
[18:32:59] <Jymmm> on a bed of genuine ORGANIC pine needles!
[18:33:43] <Jymmm> Save the earth, plant a Pet Pine Cone!!!
[18:34:13] <zeeshan|2> i'll be on kickstarter this summe r:)
[18:34:21] <Jymmm> (please fele free to insert any other buzz words I havent' thought of)
[18:34:36] <gregcnc> http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0748/6277/products/nzWvX6b_1024x1024.gif?v=1438891783
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[18:38:19] <_methods> upcycled spiny play toys for your green kids
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[19:16:34] <pink_vampire> hi
[19:16:38] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ?
[19:21:54] <Deejay> hi pink
[19:26:34] <XXCoder> good morning. hey pink_vampire
[19:28:19] <pink_vampire> hi
[19:29:02] <pink_vampire> i want to buld a case for 2 motherboards
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[19:36:27] <XXCoder> nice
[19:36:52] <XXCoder> I guess cnc can make it, though not too sure if it can do it all at once as your Y is bit limited
[19:37:06] <XXCoder> routers do flat stuff better.
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[20:26:23] <JT-Shop> well that didn't work
[20:27:35] <Connor> JT-Shop: What didn't work ?
[20:28:03] <JT-Shop> cloning from the cave image to this computer, this is 1GB and the image is 2GB
[20:30:56] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Are you doing what I suggested, or via an image file?
[20:32:23] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: I don't even know what you suggested, it went right over my head to the next floor lol
[20:33:08] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I was saying duplicate the hard drive, not use an image file.
[20:33:48] <JT-Shop> can you review that again?
[20:36:37] <JT-Shop> just found a way to make the image think it came from a smaller drive... I'll try that
[20:39:36] <JT-Shop> and the good news is my M3x0.5 forming taps have arrived
[20:41:03] <SpeedEvil> woo
[20:41:23] <SpeedEvil> to thread what?
[20:41:35] <JT-Shop> DIN rail mounts
[20:42:03] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://codepad.org/D9uU5dR1
[20:43:38] <JT-Shop> I'd have to go the other way around there is no sata connectors left in computer B
[20:44:33] <Jymmm> Ok, that's fine too
[20:46:08] <JT-Shop> from what I've read clonzilla will still puke on different size drives unless you change the image/sda-pt.parted file
[20:49:22] <JT-Shop> oh, my partition is messed up and only uses 73GB out of the 1TB drive... I think
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[21:22:09] <neckro23> JT-Shop: you have to shrink the partition before copying it... Disk Management can do it in Windows, or gparted in linux
[21:22:16] <neckro23> the latter I guess, considering the channel
[21:23:44] <JT-Shop> yea, mostly linux here only a couple of windoze
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[21:25:10] <JT-Shop> just looking at gparted on this one, I'll look at the cave in the morning...
[21:25:32] <gregcnc> I think that's how I did it when I moved a 20GB to 4GB CF
[21:26:23] <JT-Shop> did you use clonezilla to move it
[21:28:19] <gregcnc> probably, but it could have been something else I found on either ultimate of hirens boot disk
[21:30:31] <JT-Shop> lol, my G code generator doesn't ask to write over a file it just does it
[21:30:45] <Lowridah> unmount, resize2fs in parted then dd
[21:33:40] <FloppyDisk5_25> Looking at this small 9x19 lathe w/ a little surface rust, I don't think it should be hard to clean. Any suggestions?
[21:33:41] <FloppyDisk5_25> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/5516078940.html
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[21:38:13] <JT-Shop> to clean rust off?
[21:38:54] <XXCoder> not too sure suggestions for what
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[21:42:47] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:47:05] <jdh> light oil and scotchbrite
[21:47:44] <FloppyDisk5_25> Yes - clean off rust (sorry, stepped away).
[21:48:19] <FloppyDisk5_25> I need to look at the condition in person, but it seems like surface rust and should clean up nicely, imo.
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[21:48:38] <FloppyDisk5_25> PS. Hope you got your backhoe working JT-shop.
[21:48:53] <FloppyDisk5_25> Among other projects you're wrestling with!
[21:48:55] <jdh> I paid $300 for my jet 9x
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[21:49:16] <FloppyDisk5_25> Nice.
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[21:59:08] <mastag25> are there any designs for some desktop size CNC's available? Something 3D printer size. Looking at cutting multirotor frames/arms for personal use and very small work area available currently
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[22:04:44] <XXCoder> there is plenty of small cncs
[22:04:50] <XXCoder> not too sure what you want though
[22:05:06] <XXCoder> there is lot of desktop sized cnc routers at aliexpress
[22:05:26] <XXCoder> "desktop sized" defined as around 1.5' to 3'
[22:05:27] <SpeedEvil> LASER cutter may also be an option
[22:05:31] <XXCoder> indeed.
[22:05:46] <XXCoder> chinese laser isnt as good though unless you know how to repair.
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[22:14:18] <JT-Shop> still trying to get to the leaking part lol
[22:14:55] <JT-Shop> yea, if scotchbrite takes it off your golden
[22:15:50] <sabrex> lasers arent as accurate for precision parts. they cant make perfectly straight sides
[22:17:18] <XXCoder> can do sharp corner insides though
[22:17:26] <XXCoder> something most machines cant do
[22:18:24] <pink_vampire> my shoes are killing me...
[22:18:48] <Loetmichel2> pink_vampire: are you telling me that you wear stilettos?
[22:19:13] <sabrex> yeah you would need a little corner pocket to fit something with a sharp corner into a milled square hole
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[22:19:44] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel2: it's not very sharp heel
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[22:20:04] <pink_vampire> about 3.5" high
[22:20:33] <sabrex> only?
[22:20:51] <Loetmichel2> mastag25: mine is to small then... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12997
[22:21:09] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11762 <- had to mill the main plates in two mountings
[22:21:39] <XXCoder> suggest you stop using hells outright
[22:21:48] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11744 <- also the outriggers in EIGHT mountings
[22:22:01] <XXCoder> stilettos whatever heh
[22:22:27] <pink_vampire> they nice shoes.
[22:22:32] <pink_vampire> but they new..
[22:22:39] <XXCoder> nice for damaging your feet yes
[22:22:57] <Loetmichel2> pink_vampire: seriously: heels in a workshop isnt the brightest idea, considering the odd swarf and potential rolling pins and stuff on the ground
[22:23:27] <Loetmichel2> mastag25: still there?
[22:23:31] <mastag25> yes
[22:23:34] <mastag25> doing a few things heh
[22:23:40] <Loetmichel2> seen the pics?
[22:23:43] <pink_vampire> Loetmichel2: you right..
[22:23:45] <XXCoder> heels isnt good idea at ANY time.
[22:23:47] <mastag25> fof the hex?
[22:23:53] <Loetmichel2> yes
[22:23:54] <pink_vampire> alsolong hair and dress
[22:23:54] <mastag25> looks like a 550 heh
[22:24:03] <pink_vampire> but it's a cnc machine.
[22:25:46] <pink_vampire> the setup sometimes take time.. and it's not dangerous to do it with heels just not very comfy..
[22:25:54] <Loetmichel2> XXCoder: back in the 80ties i had cowboy boots with 2.5" stainless steel heels... so from own tests: no, moderate heels are not harmful for the feet.
[22:26:15] <jdh> comfy shoes are good
[22:26:48] <XXCoder> Loetmichel2: that short should be ojk
[22:26:59] <Loetmichel2> mastag25: right, 580mm from motor to motor iirc
[22:27:21] <pink_vampire> jdh: for heel they very comfy.
[22:27:35] <mastag25> i was close :D
[22:27:46] <Loetmichel2> womens shoes have a strange "toe" form
[22:27:51] <Loetmichel2> that CANT be comfy at all
[22:28:27] <Loetmichel2> mastag25: and completely out of "baumarkt" aluminium
[22:29:19] <Loetmichel2> i am REALLY proud of my landing gear solution with high stability and only one screw to hold the entire fold in place...
[22:29:29] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12982&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[22:29:32] <zeeshan|2> Reduce chip load by 80% of recommended slotting rate
[22:29:35] <zeeshan|2> my english is failing
[22:29:42] <zeeshan|2> this is basically saying if feedrate is .005
[22:29:53] <zeeshan|2> 0.005*.2 = is the reduced chip load?
[22:31:31] <Loetmichel2> mastag25: and for a 580mm hexa including a landing gear high enough to mount a DSLR gimbal underneath 1225gr TOW isnt THAT bad at all ;)
[22:31:37] <mastag25> yup
[22:31:42] <Loetmichel2> (ok, add a few grams for the missing props
[22:33:04] <Loetmichel2> (considering the ~8kg combined thrust that the 6 motors have at full throttle its really small actually ;-)
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[22:35:39] <Loetmichel2> thats about 6g for the first few meters when i do my "usual" liftoffs ;)
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[22:39:31] <pink_vampire> why my finish cut look soooo poor?? http://i.imgur.com/nElZcB0.png
[22:41:05] <pink_vampire> someone have an idea?
[22:41:43] <_methods> did you take that pic underwater
[22:41:47] <CaptHindsight> is that a scratch off center to the right
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[22:42:16] <CaptHindsight> finish, swedish or norwegan?
[22:42:17] <pink_vampire> no it's with the phone.
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[22:42:38] <pink_vampire> it's 3 plates clamp together
[22:43:34] <CaptHindsight> feed rate too high? using a butter knife as a cutter?
[22:43:45] <CaptHindsight> pass along what and how it was used
[22:44:14] <_methods> i can't even tell what's wrong with the finish from that pic
[22:44:14] <pink_vampire> it was new flat end mill, 1000rpm, feed 20mm/min
[22:44:18] <_methods> it's so blurry
[22:44:51] <pink_vampire> _methods: look under the ruler
[22:45:10] <CaptHindsight> what materials?
[22:45:47] <CaptHindsight> what depth of cut?
[22:46:07] <pink_vampire> 0.1mm depth of cut
[22:46:20] <pink_vampire> aluminum 2024-T3
[22:47:20] <zeeshan|2> anyone here have extensive slitting saw experience?
[22:48:04] <pink_vampire> me
[22:48:20] <pink_vampire> but with very small one
[22:48:23] <zeeshan|2> i got a 6" sliting saw
[22:48:26] <zeeshan|2> 42 teeth
[22:48:33] <zeeshan|2> can i run it faster than 0.001 ipt
[22:48:37] <zeeshan|2> 5/32 thick
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[22:49:34] <pink_vampire> let me to the math
[22:49:41] <zeeshan|2> there is no math involved
[22:49:45] <zeeshan|2> im askin about chip load :P
[22:50:22] <pink_vampire> it's 6"
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[22:51:45] <pink_vampire> so maybe.. but you have to make sure it's not wobble..
[22:53:37] <pink_vampire> make a test
[22:55:14] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, no slitting saw experience.... still have all 10 fingers
[22:55:18] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:55:25] <zeeshan|2> i got an 8" slitting saw
[22:55:26] <zeeshan|2> and 6"
[22:55:28] <Tom_itx> but yes
[22:55:32] <zeeshan|2> im gonna try to first use the 6"
[22:55:33] <Tom_itx> those are rather big
[22:55:34] <zeeshan|2> and see if it works ok
[22:55:44] <zeeshan|2> im making thise parts this weekend
[22:55:46] <zeeshan|2> they got deep slots
[22:55:58] <zeeshan|2> but i really feel like i can run them after than 0.001
[22:56:00] <Tom_itx> we slotted some SS with them
[22:57:27] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/222032252575?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
[22:57:32] <Tom_itx> also made a bazillion of those
[22:58:25] <zeeshan|2> brass :P
[22:58:28] <zeeshan|2> that aint a deep slot!
[22:58:30] <Tom_itx> yes
[22:58:34] <Tom_itx> no
[22:58:39] <Tom_itx> just for a screwdriver
[22:59:03] <Tom_itx> but it cut it on the lathe while it was still spinning
[22:59:28] <BeachBumPete> evening folks
[22:59:41] <andypugh> pink_vampire: I think high-heels are stupid. But they do some crazy things with carbon fibre: http://www.sassisamblog.com/2009/03/24/little-chairs-for-your-feet/
[23:00:44] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 did i miss the pic of your part or did you not post one?
[23:00:45] <pink_vampire> OMG https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/2EIdUXXM8242wNBRFSQ5nw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NTQwO2g9Mzk2O2lsPXBsYW5l/http://l.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w540/d53a6849297a60e31f183ca204386bdd424dea4a.jpg
[23:00:52] <zeeshan|2> i didnt post it tonight
[23:00:56] <andypugh> I actually suggested those to a bike racer I know.
[23:01:00] <pink_vampire> amazing!!!
[23:01:39] <zeeshan|2> hey andy
[23:01:41] <zeeshan|2> hows it going :D
[23:01:44] <zeeshan|2> vampire.
[23:01:53] <zeeshan|2> im using this screentogif software
[23:02:00] <zeeshan|2> "analizing non moving pixels"
[23:02:00] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:02:10] <zeeshan|2> i take it the software maker's first language isnt english
[23:02:57] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: http://i.imgur.com/COqkDZH.png
[23:03:01] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/RwuQdGt.png
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[23:04:17] <Tom_itx> wonder how much vibration you'll get out of that first part
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[23:04:42] <zeeshan|2> you can see how im grabbing the part right?
[23:04:45] <zeeshan|2> the bottom is in the vice
[23:04:51] <pink_vampire> zeeshan|2: just use small end mill.
[23:04:57] <zeeshan|2> so it isnt really cantilevered much
[23:05:00] <Tom_itx> i figured
[23:05:02] <zeeshan|2> pink_vampire: let me talk to the expert :)
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[23:05:14] <pink_vampire> :(
[23:05:26] * zeeshan|2 gives pink_vampire a brand new 3 flute end mill
[23:05:33] <pink_vampire> awwwwww
[23:05:45] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> reaally stupid question: does tklinuxcnc work with stepconf?
[23:06:08] <pink_vampire> zeeshan|2: so this is how you treat a woman..
[23:06:27] <pink_vampire> what is the material that you are going to cut?
[23:06:32] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> I generated an ini file using stepconf and edited it to use tklinuxcnc
[23:06:34] <zeeshan|2> 6061
[23:06:39] <andypugh> BKLYN_BASEMENT: Not sure. But you can very easily change the GUI by hand-editing the HAL file
[23:06:44] <andypugh> Sorry, INI file
[23:06:45] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: i gotta make 300 of these
[23:06:54] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> ah, I did it in the ini file
[23:06:57] <BKLYN_BASEMENT> brb
[23:06:57] <zeeshan|2> the way i was thinking of approaching it was
[23:07:00] <Tom_itx> better get started
[23:07:04] <zeeshan|2> each step i do
[23:07:08] <zeeshan|2> ill do on the first 50
[23:07:14] <zeeshan|2> cause i dont have atc
[23:07:20] <Tom_itx> well that's how production works
[23:07:22] <zeeshan|2> then do a tool changfe
[23:07:31] <zeeshan|2> and have a stop to butt the part against
[23:07:37] <zeeshan|2> and write my offsets down
[23:07:44] <zeeshan|2> they only want +/-0.010
[23:07:50] <Tom_itx> either way will be slow with no tool changer
[23:07:55] <zeeshan|2> you thinkso?
[23:07:58] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: Do you really want thet square slot? Typically thats not so good, or useful.
[23:08:01] <zeeshan|2> im doing 50 of each step at a time
[23:08:09] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: yes
[23:08:10] <zeeshan|2> i asked too
[23:08:16] <zeeshan|2> otherwise i coulda just used an end mill
[23:08:22] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2
[23:08:43] <Tom_itx> what if you slot a bar, radius it then chop them off to length
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[23:08:53] <zeeshan|2> i already got the pieces cut to length
[23:08:56] <andypugh> pink_vampire: Here you go, fairly girly, and steel toecap :-) http://www.aspli.com/products/2207/ladies--safety-boot-lavoro-geena?gclid=CMHlnKDH7ssCFaoy0wodZRcLLA
[23:08:58] <zeeshan|2> it cost 50 bux
[23:09:02] <zeeshan|2> i cant compete with that lol
[23:09:38] <Tom_itx> now i gotta figure out how to update this damn catia license
[23:10:22] <Tom_itx> new hardware prevents it from running
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[23:12:54] <Tom_itx> is your slitting saw .300 wide or are you making multiple passes?
[23:13:04] <zeeshan|2> 2 passes
[23:13:08] <pink_vampire> andypugh: wow that cute!!
[23:13:46] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 i looked at a subaru today
[23:13:56] <pink_vampire> http://www.aspli.com/products/2169/pink-hi-vis-waistcoat-vest
[23:13:57] <zeeshan|2> why
[23:13:59] <pink_vampire> awwwwwwwwwwww
[23:14:17] <Tom_itx> shopping
[23:14:23] <zeeshan|2> dont do it
[23:14:26] <zeeshan|2> biggest mistake of your life
[23:14:31] <zeeshan|2> im putting my pos together
[23:14:36] <zeeshan|2> so i can trade it in for a toyota 4runner
[23:14:39] <Tom_itx> no, it was sitting next to the volvo i was looking at
[23:14:42] <zeeshan|2> i know itll blow again :P
[23:15:20] <pink_vampire> http://www.workscene.com.au/product/steel-blue-southern-cross-ladies.html
[23:15:34] <pink_vampire> that look really cute.
[23:15:45] <pink_vampire> the pink one,
[23:17:37] <Tom_itx> anbody get pranked today?
[23:18:17] <CaptHindsight> been pranked all week
[23:18:30] <pink_vampire> no
[23:18:44] <CaptHindsight> some guy asked the same questions about the same things night and day
[23:18:45] <pink_vampire> I like them.
[23:18:57] <_methods> lol
[23:19:39] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, you mean here????
[23:20:17] <zeeshan|2> haha capt
[23:20:43] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: yeah, read the logs
[23:20:44] <pink_vampire> I think he talk about Polymorphism
[23:21:23] <Tom_itx> naw.....
[23:21:27] <Tom_itx> really???
[23:21:34] <CaptHindsight> kept changing nicks every few hours
[23:21:52] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: you made the 3d printers mad
[23:21:59] <CaptHindsight> it was like a "are we there yet" bot
[23:22:06] <_methods> hahah
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[23:25:38] <XXCoder> hm
[23:25:49] <XXCoder> I managed to make a trangle with 2 90 angles
[23:25:55] <XXCoder> whatever. in trash it goes
[23:26:00] <XXCoder> laters all
[23:26:57] <pink_vampire> what???
[23:27:43] <andypugh> pink_vampire: Aye, the pink ones would look good. FWIW, and you have no reason to care about what _I_ think, my opinion of someone in those boots would be a lot higher than of anyone (male or female) in high-heeled shoes.
[23:28:30] <andypugh> XXCoder: I suspect that your material was not long enough to contain all your putative part?
[23:29:09] <pink_vampire> andypugh: but I can't ware a dress with working boots
[23:29:20] <_methods> hahah netflix
[23:29:41] <_methods> that's the first april fools that made me laugh today
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[23:32:20] <pink_vampire> carbon fiber shoes are soooo nice,
[23:32:30] <andypugh> pink_vampire: There are no geometric, topoplogical or thermodynamic restrictions that prevent wearing work boots with a dress
[23:32:56] <BeachBumPete> worked for tank girl
[23:33:03] <sabrex> if polymorphism announced today that he made a decision, it is for sure an april fools
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[23:33:32] <andypugh> BeachBumPete: A friend of mine looke like Tank Girl, but prettier. And probably madder
[23:33:55] <BeachBumPete> I got a thing for lori Petty :D
[23:34:07] <pink_vampire> there is a rule - dress work the best with pumps, you can't go wrong with that.
[23:34:33] <djdelorie> hydraulic pumps?
[23:34:34] <andypugh> Hey! Simona still has the domain (this is the tank-girl lookalike) http://www.simona.com
[23:34:47] <jdh> engraving/slotting 316 with a 0.074" 3-flute end mill. 0.005" DOC, 0.040 total depth. Suggestions for speed/feed?
[23:34:48] <pink_vampire> https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&biw=1440&bih=738&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=pumps+shoes&oq=pumps&gs_l=img.3.1.0l10.266808.268122.0.270054.5.5.0.0.0.0.122.400.4j1.5.0....0...1.1.64.img..0.5.399.joXTIVZHlkI
[23:34:53] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: ^ ^^^
[23:35:13] <djdelorie> I have a daughter that lives in 4" heels, I know what pumps are...
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[23:35:36] <pink_vampire> ok..
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[23:36:11] <andypugh> It’s rather cool that Simona’s web site hasn’t changed since 1995 :-)
[23:36:31] <pink_vampire> http://image.dhgate.com/albu_414923626_00/1.0x0.jpg
[23:36:40] <pink_vampire> OMG that is sooooooooooooooo cuteeeeeee
[23:37:30] <andypugh> pink_vampire: My opinon differs
[23:38:06] <pink_vampire> andypugh: you can't
[23:38:48] <andypugh> And did you mean “sooooooo cuteeeee” or “sooooooo cuuuuute”
[23:38:48] <pink_vampire> soo high speed spindle vs shoes v s shoes vs shoes?
[23:39:25] <andypugh> I think the spindle wins
[23:39:26] <pink_vampire> or “sooooooo cuuuuute”
[23:39:52] <andypugh> It’s like rock-paper-scissors except the spindle alwats cuts shoes
[23:40:50] <pink_vampire> andypugh: but I don't have any shoes
[23:42:42] <andypugh> I have one pair of shoes that only ever gets worn when I am also wearing a bow tie. Otherwise I am wearing boots of some sort. Motorcycling, cycling, offroad motocycling, caving, safety, caving, skiing, hiking. I have a _lot_ of boots.
[23:43:52] <andypugh> So, my opinion is that you don’t need shoes, but you might need a spindle :-)
[23:44:00] <jdh> I have one pair of boots (steel toe) that I never wear.
[23:47:24] <andypugh> Work bought me a pair of safety boots. I had to order them from stores. They are _huge_. despite being marked as the same size as my other footwear. I don’t wear them. I could order another pair, 2 sizes smaller, but there is no way to swap them. It’s stupid. There is just no way that our ordering system can absorb the idea of test-fitting.
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[23:50:38] <jdh> that's where mine came from.
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