#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-03-29

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[00:00:05] <minibnz> i pretty much have all of that done in a classic ladder. was trying to work out how to get the head to move up and down as i want
[00:00:47] <andypugh> I am pretty sure that you should be able to upgrade to 2.7 on your existing Linux version.
[00:00:57] <minibnz> well upgrading is a bit of a problem at the moment i dont have enough free space on the hdd.. i need to find a bigger compact flash card before i can upgrade, otherwise its a complete wipe and install
[00:01:46] <andypugh> A LinuxCNC-only updte shouldn’t need HDD space
[00:03:24] <minibnz> its all the dependancies i need to install/update that nearlly killed my box when i tried the other day.. free space went to zero and things got really slow
[00:03:34] <andypugh> Ah, OK
[00:04:39] <minibnz> this was setup intiially from the livecd/usb key for 10.04 and it only has a 4gb card in there at the moment. so i am thinking a 8gb card will be a good reason to upgrade to a fresh copy.. can get rid of all the crap i dont need once i know what i do need.
[00:04:59] <andypugh> Yeah.
[00:05:11] <minibnz> i might have even removed the sim directory at some point in the past trying to get a little more space.
[00:06:23] <minibnz> i thought i saw a 16gb card floating around here somewhere.. i migh have me a search today...
[00:07:17] <andypugh> Today is over for me now. Time to sleep.
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[00:20:27] <witnit> these much good for anything but grinding? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROCKWELL-PRECISE-HIGH-SPEED-JIG-GRINDER-Super-55-/141943079565?hash=item210c77828d:g:W84AAOSwAuNW5YGo
[00:32:15] <robin_sz> could be ok with single flute cutters
[00:33:26] <Polymorphism> lol I got a reply back from xzero
[00:33:40] <Polymorphism> he basically said any machine will work for my needs
[00:33:54] <Polymorphism> sounds like he doesnt really need the sale, I think this convinces me to get raptor
[00:34:14] <Polymorphism> he commented also that this machine is superior accuracy
[00:34:17] <Polymorphism> to the other 6040
[00:35:50] <robin_sz> did you buy it yet?
[00:37:00] <os1r1s> minibnz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVRlXcPhifQ
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[00:37:37] <Polymorphism> robin_sz, not yet
[00:37:43] <Polymorphism> waiting to hear back from someone
[00:37:47] <Polymorphism> on the forum
[00:38:25] * Not-Renny is painfully close to having all the parts he needs for a complete 3d printer
[00:38:25] <os1r1s> Polymorphism Where are you located?
[00:38:52] <Polymorphism> USA
[00:39:11] <os1r1s> Polymorphism What city?
[00:39:17] <Polymorphism> outside of boston
[00:39:17] <Polymorphism> ma
[00:39:33] <Polymorphism> Not-Renny, you're building a 3d printer?
[00:39:49] <Polymorphism> are you going to document the build
[00:39:56] <Not-Renny> Nah
[00:40:01] <Not-Renny> Well
[00:40:03] <Polymorphism> that's a shame.
[00:40:05] <os1r1s> Not-Renny Cool. It starts with one, but they multiply
[00:40:10] <Not-Renny> I have plenty of pictures
[00:40:13] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, the raptor looks less crap than the other crap
[00:40:34] <Not-Renny> I realized this halfway through designing one, os1r1s :(
[00:40:48] <Polymorphism> robin_sz, http://i.imgur.com/lMaUeKl.jpg
[00:40:50] <Polymorphism> thats the raptor
[00:40:54] <Polymorphism> you may not have seen that picture
[00:41:00] <Polymorphism> I uploaded it from their fb page to imgur
[00:41:13] <Polymorphism> maybe that helps show the quality
[00:41:26] <Polymorphism> or lack?
[00:41:34] <Polymorphism> looks solid to me
[00:41:42] <robin_sz> that one looks poor
[00:41:43] <os1r1s> Polymorphism Odd choice in steppers on that one
[00:41:53] <robin_sz> z axis is wrong
[00:41:56] <Polymorphism> my machine will be smaller
[00:42:03] <Polymorphism> and I add my own motors or use his kit
[00:42:05] <Polymorphism> his hit is...
[00:42:14] <Polymorphism> MX3660 and 3x 311oz motors
[00:42:17] <Polymorphism> fro USD $350
[00:42:19] <Polymorphism> sounds fair?
[00:42:19] <robin_sz> http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[00:42:25] <Polymorphism> that information is out of date
[00:42:26] <robin_sz> 311 what?
[00:42:29] <Polymorphism> except for the motors
[00:42:30] <Polymorphism> 311 oz
[00:42:40] <robin_sz> whats that?
[00:42:47] <Polymorphism> I dont know
[00:42:49] <Polymorphism> but it sounds decent
[00:42:55] <Polymorphism> probably the weight
[00:42:56] <Polymorphism> of the motor
[00:42:58] <Polymorphism> ?
[00:42:59] <Polymorphism> or its force
[00:43:00] <Polymorphism> I have no idea
[00:43:05] <Polymorphism> something about the motor
[00:43:26] <robin_sz> you, my friend, are a malreting mans dream
[00:43:30] <robin_sz> *marketing
[00:43:35] <os1r1s> Polymorphism I don't Polymorphism 311 is the torque
[00:44:00] <Polymorphism> lol
[00:44:01] <os1r1s> Polymorphism 311 is the torque
[00:44:03] <Polymorphism> in all seriousness though
[00:44:05] <Polymorphism> thats a good price
[00:44:05] <os1r1s> Typing too much
[00:44:06] <robin_sz> which, is irrelevant to anything
[00:44:19] <Polymorphism> for that controller and 3x motors
[00:44:22] <Polymorphism> and a 48v power supply
[00:44:26] <Polymorphism> $350
[00:44:31] <Polymorphism> I dont know if I can even beat that
[00:44:57] <Polymorphism> people talk about gecko but thats 350 just for the driver isnt it
[00:44:59] <Polymorphism> I'm not sure
[00:45:01] <Polymorphism> looked like it would cost more
[00:45:20] <robin_sz> geckos are about $130 per driver
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[00:45:29] <os1r1s> robin_sz I think he was talking about the G540
[00:45:38] <robin_sz> oh thats a nice driver
[00:45:46] <Polymorphism> yes
[00:45:48] <os1r1s> Though I think its 299
[00:45:55] <robin_sz> yep, probably
[00:45:57] <Polymorphism> shttp://www.geckodrive.com/geckodrive-step-motor-drives/g540.html
[00:45:57] <os1r1s> I have 2 of them and they work well
[00:46:14] <robin_sz> I;ve used a lot of geckos, great product and great support
[00:46:15] <Polymorphism> check this out
[00:46:24] <Polymorphism> you guys know this stuff better
[00:46:27] <Polymorphism> http://www.leadshine.com/productdetail.aspx?type=products&category=accessories&producttype=multiple-axis-stepper-drives&series=MX&model=MX3660
[00:46:30] <Polymorphism> thats the driver I would get
[00:46:40] <Polymorphism> if I get the motors and driver and psu from him, the $350 bundle
[00:46:48] <robin_sz> yes
[00:46:53] <Polymorphism> its nice?
[00:47:01] <robin_sz> its cheap
[00:47:10] <Polymorphism> I dont want to throw it away and buy new to cut like people say with the chinese stuff
[00:47:50] <Polymorphism> its 390
[00:47:53] <Polymorphism> 290*
[00:47:57] <robin_sz> you pretty much get what you pay for
[00:48:01] <Polymorphism> I dont see it on ebay
[00:48:14] <Polymorphism> he said they mostlyy sell direct to manufacturers or something
[00:48:46] <robin_sz> I paid $150 each for my last steppers, $130 each for geckos, and $250+ for a cnc card from Mesa
[00:48:54] <Polymorphism> I would need to wire the steppers to that and wire the psu and put it all into a box?
[00:49:03] <Polymorphism> wow, a lot more
[00:49:06] <robin_sz> and more on a PSU and an enclosure
[00:49:20] <robin_sz> and im very happy with it
[00:49:28] <Polymorphism> I'm only cutting 4mm alu max though
[00:49:30] <Polymorphism> will I be ok?
[00:49:34] <Polymorphism> I could upgrade later
[00:49:39] <Polymorphism> after the machine pays for itself
[00:49:40] <robin_sz> its irrelevant
[00:49:56] <robin_sz> get a machine that is stiff
[00:50:02] <Polymorphism> ok
[00:50:03] <Polymorphism> well the thing is
[00:50:07] <Polymorphism> he is selling just the frame
[00:50:08] <Polymorphism> and spindle mount
[00:50:09] <robin_sz> and the minimum Z clearance you can get away with
[00:50:10] <Polymorphism> and table
[00:50:15] <Polymorphism> and limit switches etc
[00:50:21] <Polymorphism> then I can add the motor kit + controller + psu
[00:50:23] <Polymorphism> its optional
[00:50:27] <Polymorphism> so if there is a better deal for not much more
[00:50:30] <Polymorphism> I might want to do that
[00:50:40] <Polymorphism> yeah he mentioned
[00:50:42] <Polymorphism> its 5.5" z
[00:50:52] <Polymorphism> he said I can do 7" z when I asked, and he will do it for me for 90 more
[00:50:54] <Polymorphism> but he said not to
[00:50:56] <robin_sz> clearance?
[00:51:01] <Polymorphism> it will compromise the machine
[00:51:04] <robin_sz> yes,
[00:51:07] <Polymorphism> z travel
[00:51:13] <Polymorphism> /clearance
[00:51:16] <Polymorphism> some combination of both perhaps
[00:51:20] <robin_sz> but hwats the clearance?
[00:51:23] <Polymorphism> 4.7"
[00:51:26] <Polymorphism> 5.5" travel
[00:51:32] <Polymorphism> 12.5"x30" work area
[00:51:33] <witnit> these are small but affordable routes to take
[00:51:39] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CM-Servo-Motor-N57-072G-002X-with-Tamagawa-TS5643-Encoder-/272106270045?hash=item3f5acc2d5d:g:6RoAAOSwNSxVVnzV
[00:51:44] * Polymorphism browses
[00:51:44] <robin_sz> and whats the tallest thing you need to machine?
[00:51:49] <Polymorphism> 3.7" right now
[00:52:00] <robin_sz> ok, so 4.7" is not too bad
[00:52:04] <Polymorphism> but I could restart my whole idea also
[00:52:12] <Polymorphism> I could cut the entire enclosure from scratch probably
[00:52:12] <robin_sz> why 3.7?
[00:52:14] <Polymorphism> with this machine
[00:52:17] <Polymorphism> because my plan
[00:52:24] <Polymorphism> is to clamp down enclosures like these
[00:52:32] <Polymorphism> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pk0AAOSwHgVW77ne/s-l300.jpg
[00:52:33] <Polymorphism> to end up with that
[00:52:38] <Polymorphism> the extruded aluminum
[00:52:44] <Polymorphism> the largest height I need is 3.7"
[00:52:58] <Polymorphism> but I'm realizing... I could probably make a nicer case from scratch
[00:53:01] <Polymorphism> with a machine like this
[00:53:12] <Polymorphism> with machine screws to put it together
[00:53:12] <Polymorphism> etc
[00:53:20] <robin_sz> we make our cases from scratch
[00:53:30] <Polymorphism> do you have any photos?
[00:53:37] <robin_sz> Ishowed you our site already
[00:53:40] <Polymorphism> oh right
[00:53:43] <Polymorphism> they look great
[00:53:56] <Polymorphism> what is the stock material?
[00:53:57] <robin_sz> we subcontract a lot out too
[00:54:04] <robin_sz> 5052 1.2mm sheet
[00:54:22] <Not-Renny> Dang it, because of you guys I want to make a granite/glass bed for a CNC mill.
[00:54:33] <robin_sz> we tried it in 8x4 format but it was no good really
[00:54:34] <Not-Renny> It's all your fault :P
[00:54:48] <robin_sz> we use 10x5 now
[00:54:57] <Polymorphism> it looks affordable , that stock
[00:55:17] <Polymorphism> Not-Renny, same. but it just wont work. maybe for a second machine later it sounds amazing
[00:55:23] <Polymorphism> work for me, I mean
[00:55:28] <Polymorphism> I need to move the machine from time to time
[00:55:40] <Polymorphism> or haver the ability to do so without heavy equipment, I should say
[00:56:00] <Polymorphism> robin_sz,
[00:56:13] <Polymorphism> with a quality machine, and endmill will I need to finish the cuts?
[00:56:15] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, what do you think the going rate is for a bare case, in 5052, with threaded inserts, all neatly folded ready for anodising, with a "brushed" finsih
[00:56:16] <Polymorphism> and deburr?
[00:56:22] <Polymorphism> or is it ready to assemble off the machine
[00:56:28] <robin_sz> 2U case ...
[00:56:40] <Polymorphism> let me think...
[00:56:50] <robin_sz> US dollars
[00:56:51] <Polymorphism> $30?
[00:57:03] <robin_sz> a little less, 22 to 25
[00:57:44] <robin_sz> so you'll need to look at specials and one-off work to make any money
[00:57:56] <robin_sz> as volume production is low margin
[00:58:05] <Polymorphism> I see what you mean
[00:58:12] <Polymorphism> the enclosures I'm producing will be for my own products
[00:58:19] <robin_sz> well, there you go
[00:58:25] <Polymorphism> small batch production of specialty control and automation devices
[00:58:28] <robin_sz> thats a good thing to do
[00:58:33] <robin_sz> USA?
[00:58:38] <Polymorphism> I want to protype small batch and one off produce in house though
[00:58:39] <Polymorphism> yes
[00:58:52] <robin_sz> FCC part 15?
[00:59:15] <Polymorphism> I haven't thought that far ahead yet I guess
[00:59:22] <robin_sz> ok
[00:59:32] <Polymorphism> if it's in al, its ok?
[00:59:39] <robin_sz> haha, I wish
[00:59:51] <Polymorphism> I need to get it certified or something?
[00:59:58] <Polymorphism> the whole device
[00:59:58] <robin_sz> depends
[01:00:17] <robin_sz> you need to able to show it is part 15 compliant, and decalre it as such
[01:00:26] <Polymorphism> I think that should be no problem with the raptor
[01:00:41] <robin_sz> not that
[01:00:43] <Polymorphism> I hope
[01:00:46] <robin_sz> your products
[01:00:54] <robin_sz> no one cares about your CNC is compliant
[01:01:14] <Polymorphism> lol
[01:01:20] <Polymorphism> I'll look into that soon
[01:01:41] <Polymorphism> looks important
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[01:01:51] <Polymorphism> can't just start listing on ebay I guess
[01:01:56] <Polymorphism> ...or can I
[01:02:01] <Polymorphism> I need to find this out
[01:02:08] <Polymorphism> anything else major like that to worry about?
[01:02:10] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/398
[01:03:07] <Polymorphism> ty
[01:03:09] <Polymorphism> this is just what I need
[01:03:33] <robin_sz> basically, you have to be able to show that any commercial product complies with the part 15 regs,
[01:03:52] <robin_sz> we basically have a "clean room" and can conduct tests ourselves
[01:04:16] <robin_sz> if its well below the limit, we record the results and self certify
[01:04:24] <robin_sz> if its not, we send it out
[01:04:57] <robin_sz> we have a couple of "golden" products, that we use as references etc
[01:05:29] <robin_sz> if you are very small, and design it well, you should be OK
[01:05:38] <robin_sz> unless a competetitor rats on you
[01:06:43] <Polymorphism> it also looks like its only $1000 for a test and if I know it will pass thats money well spent
[01:06:59] <robin_sz> $1000 wold be very cheap
[01:07:11] <robin_sz> has it got a processor?
[01:07:21] <Polymorphism> " How much does it cost to obtain authorization under the FCC rules?
[01:07:21] <Polymorphism> That depends on your device. Devices which require Verification or a Declaration of Conformity- which is to say, unintentional radiators- can be tested for about $1000. There is usually an additional fee of around $500 for a report which may or may not be needed."
[01:07:26] <Polymorphism> yes
[01:07:29] <Polymorphism> linux SOM
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[01:07:48] <robin_sz> running at 30mhz +?
[01:07:54] <Polymorphism> yes
[01:08:05] <robin_sz> I think you need the other test then
[01:08:19] <robin_sz> there are two bits of part 15 ...
[01:08:27] <robin_sz> one for less than 30mhz
[01:08:29] <Polymorphism> its not an intentional transmitter I dont think...
[01:08:33] <robin_sz> one for more
[01:08:39] <robin_sz> exactly
[01:08:47] <robin_sz> but if it has that ...
[01:08:51] <robin_sz> it has to have the test
[01:09:02] <robin_sz> ask Peavey ;)
[01:09:14] <robin_sz> he had a range of pedals,
[01:09:17] <robin_sz> all OK
[01:09:21] <robin_sz> analogue only
[01:09:28] <robin_sz> no need for fcc sticker
[01:09:42] <Polymorphism> wait
[01:09:49] <Polymorphism> parts of the system communicate over 2.4ghz RF
[01:09:52] <Polymorphism> this is no problem, right?
[01:09:54] <Polymorphism> =\
[01:09:56] <robin_sz> oh ..
[01:09:57] <robin_sz> haha
[01:10:04] <Polymorphism> I don't like the sound of this
[01:10:06] <robin_sz> are they pre-certified modules?
[01:10:14] <Polymorphism> they will be now =)
[01:10:18] <Polymorphism> xD
[01:10:18] <Sync> that actually doesn't help you much
[01:10:25] <Polymorphism> ...
[01:10:25] <robin_sz> it can help
[01:10:51] <robin_sz> there are some allowances for using say, a pre-certified bluetooth module
[01:11:09] <Sync> it can, but iirc fcc does not care and you have to do all the relevant testing for your product
[01:11:17] <Sync> but not the qualification testing for the radiator
[01:11:22] <robin_sz> yes
[01:11:24] <robin_sz> that.
[01:11:33] <Polymorphism> "These modules (boards) are not FCC approved. They are designed to comply with FCC Part 15 Rules and Regulations. They are not in a finished product form. They are strictly intended for experimental purposes only. If you wish to use these modules in an actual product (a non-experimental capacity), the module must first be designed into the product then the whole product must be approved by the FCC."
[01:11:34] <Polymorphism> oh no.
[01:11:45] <Sync> rekt
[01:11:57] <robin_sz> is it an intentional radiator?
[01:12:04] <robin_sz> ie bluetooth or similar?
[01:12:22] <Polymorphism> yes
[01:12:27] <Polymorphism> I think it may be
[01:12:28] <robin_sz> then you cannot use part 15
[01:12:39] <Polymorphism> I dont have to worry about it you mean?
[01:12:43] <robin_sz> does it communicate wirelessley?
[01:12:46] <Polymorphism> yes
[01:12:50] <Polymorphism> up to 1000 meters
[01:12:54] <robin_sz> then you cannot use part 15
[01:12:54] <Polymorphism> perhaps more
[01:13:00] <robin_sz> you MUST have full certification
[01:13:09] <Polymorphism> this isnt good.
[01:13:13] <Sync> it is
[01:13:16] <Sync> just not for you
[01:13:33] <Sync> and theoretically your mill should have compliance testing as well
[01:13:47] <robin_sz> well, yeah, but no ones does
[01:13:49] <Sync> and ul certification as well
[01:14:08] <Sync> well, if you use them comercially, it can be a problem
[01:14:10] <robin_sz> well, UL is another issue
[01:14:12] <Sync> depending on your code
[01:14:47] <Polymorphism> "For intentional radiators, the Certification cost is more like $10,000-$12,000, unless an approved module is used."
[01:14:51] <Polymorphism> something about approved module there
[01:14:58] <robin_sz> yes
[01:15:12] <robin_sz> if the comms module itself was certified, it would be less
[01:15:17] <Polymorphism> my mill needs UL compliance?
[01:15:17] <Polymorphism> wtf?
[01:15:19] <robin_sz> but your module is not
[01:15:24] <Polymorphism> you're trolling me right now, surely?
[01:15:28] <Polymorphism> this keeps getting worse
[01:15:32] <robin_sz> so you would need full certification
[01:15:36] <Polymorphism> it's 10k USD
[01:15:38] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: Using an unlicensed device in a commercial environment can void your business insurance I believe
[01:15:43] <malcom2073> if something goes wrong
[01:15:50] <robin_sz> well, theoretically
[01:15:53] <Polymorphism> I can't use approved rf module?
[01:16:00] <robin_sz> you can
[01:16:07] <Polymorphism> I'll just do that then
[01:16:09] <Polymorphism> thats no problem
[01:16:13] <Polymorphism> the code is written that way
[01:16:18] <Polymorphism> I can change modules
[01:16:19] <robin_sz> which will make the testing easier
[01:16:27] <robin_sz> and cheaper
[01:16:34] <Polymorphism> excellent
[01:16:36] <robin_sz> but I dont think you cna use part 15
[01:16:38] <Polymorphism> that's what I'll do
[01:16:51] <robin_sz> you'll need to check with a test house
[01:17:12] <robin_sz> how many do you plan to sell?
[01:17:15] <Polymorphism> I'm going to research this more
[01:17:25] <Polymorphism> at first, just a handful at most
[01:17:30] <Polymorphism> in the future? I'd like to think many more
[01:17:41] <Polymorphism> as well as other products I will have to go through this process with, apparently.
[01:17:52] <robin_sz> if you said"it transmits 20 feet" I would say "just do it"
[01:18:12] <robin_sz> when you say "goes for 1000m +" I wuld say "worry"
[01:20:01] <robin_sz> use a reputable module, like a proven zigbee high bower module
[01:20:05] <robin_sz> *power
[01:20:14] <robin_sz> something proven, tested, certified
[01:20:25] <robin_sz> and you probably wont have any trouble
[01:20:26] <Polymorphism> that's what I will do, it seems like it will make this much easier
[01:21:31] <robin_sz> and read up on the FCC rules, im pretty sure you can't use part15 if it incorporates a transmitter
[01:21:46] <robin_sz> so you'd need a declaration I think
[01:21:53] <robin_sz> is that right Sync?
[01:22:25] <Polymorphism> because that makes it an intentional radiator?>
[01:22:33] <robin_sz> yes
[01:22:52] <Polymorphism> then I would need 10k in testing
[01:23:09] <robin_sz> yes, but thats less than 30K for certification testing
[01:23:21] <Polymorphism> where did the other 20k just come from!?
[01:23:37] <robin_sz> full certification testing, is about 30K for a simple product
[01:23:49] <robin_sz> declaration of conformity testing shoudl be about 10k
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[01:24:02] <robin_sz> part 15 .. 10k and below
[01:24:11] <robin_sz> depending
[01:24:28] <Polymorphism> I see...
[01:24:34] <robin_sz> and if you chnage the PCB, or change a component
[01:24:35] <Polymorphism> I can make some adjustments and this will be ok
[01:24:39] <robin_sz> retest
[01:24:46] <Sync> I have no idea about fcc, but iirc yes robin_sz
[01:24:59] <Polymorphism> what???
[01:25:02] <Sync> of course
[01:25:05] <Polymorphism> to release a new version of a product costs 30k???
[01:25:09] <robin_sz> yes
[01:25:12] <Polymorphism> is that why some companies wait so long in between releases
[01:25:15] <robin_sz> yes
[01:25:21] <Polymorphism> wow.
[01:25:29] <robin_sz> if its full certification
[01:25:30] <Polymorphism> I need to make some changes to my plan now
[01:25:31] <Sync> you can #yolo it like most people
[01:25:46] <robin_sz> yep
[01:25:48] <Sync> but it is not the best idea if you have a radiator in your product
[01:25:52] <Polymorphism> you mean just skip all of that testing stuff
[01:25:53] <robin_sz> yep
[01:25:57] <Polymorphism> and then if I get caught, worst case
[01:26:00] <Polymorphism> I just pay the 10k
[01:26:03] <Sync> oh no
[01:26:03] <robin_sz> no
[01:26:04] <Polymorphism> and I'm good to go
[01:26:08] <Sync> the fcc will assrape you
[01:26:12] <Polymorphism> @_@
[01:26:16] <robin_sz> ass rape with a vengeance
[01:26:21] <Polymorphism> I'd better do this properly then
[01:26:25] <malcom2073> dry no less
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[01:26:28] <Polymorphism> with the intentional radiator
[01:26:31] <robin_sz> no lube
[01:26:35] <Polymorphism> =\
[01:26:58] <Sync> the thing is, if nobody is actually complaining you are golden
[01:27:04] <robin_sz> yep
[01:27:15] <robin_sz> if you are small, no one cares
[01:27:18] <Sync> and if your product is borderline, the fcc will just say "eh, plz dont do that"
[01:27:26] <robin_sz> yep
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[01:27:37] <Polymorphism> ok
[01:27:39] <Sync> but if you actually manage to cause issues
[01:27:40] <Sync> GG
[01:27:41] <robin_sz> but ffs PUT THE STICKR ON
[01:27:55] <robin_sz> the fine for no sticker is absolute and bad
[01:28:08] <Polymorphism> ok
[01:28:10] <Sync> I oftentimes just do some internal testing
[01:28:11] <robin_sz> if you decalre it part 15 and its borderline ... then meh
[01:28:43] <robin_sz> basically, if it is metal cased
[01:28:54] <robin_sz> and your CONDUCTED radiation is below limits
[01:29:02] <robin_sz> your airborne will be fine
[01:29:19] <robin_sz> we basically test our mains born
[01:29:33] <robin_sz> and if we are 15db below, we stop worrying
[01:29:46] <robin_sz> if we are 5db below, we get it tested outside
[01:30:15] <robin_sz> I have a decent (calibrated) analyzer, a good LISN and a relatively clean room
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[01:30:55] <Polymorphism> I have a lot to think about... hmm.
[01:31:09] <robin_sz> welcome to manufacturing, have a nice day
[01:31:25] <robin_sz> but for 10 modules a month, stop worrying
[01:31:53] <robin_sz> Sync, I have a friend who has a small business sellign test gear for solar panels
[01:32:07] <robin_sz> Sync, he just got an nice order
[01:32:46] <robin_sz> from a "national body" that writes various standards for electrical safety, emissions, etc etc
[01:32:55] <robin_sz> hes crapping himself :)
[01:35:23] <Sync> heh
[01:35:41] <Sync> I thought the same way when I got my first .mil contract in
[01:36:14] <Sync> then realized it is the same shitshow just with more paperwork
[01:40:03] <Sync> which is sad tbh
[01:40:08] <zeeshan> why
[01:40:15] <zeeshan> whats sad is my engine
[01:40:17] <zeeshan> did you see pics sync
[01:40:21] <Sync> no
[01:40:29] <zeeshan> hold on to your seat
[01:40:31] <zeeshan> it might fall
[01:40:53] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/NySkI
[01:41:00] <zeeshan> thats how you blow a motor REAL GOOD!
[01:41:24] <zeeshan> at least the bolts support theory of elasticity
[01:41:26] <Sync> oh great!
[01:41:32] <zeeshan> they sheared at 45 deg
[01:41:32] <zeeshan> :P
[01:41:38] <zeeshan> plane of max shear under uniaxial tension
[01:41:38] <zeeshan> :P
[01:42:10] <Polymorphism> wow
[01:42:14] <Polymorphism> destroyed
[01:42:34] <malcom2073> zeeshan: That's awesome
[01:42:38] <zeeshan> i repeat again
[01:42:40] <zeeshan> bone stock car
[01:42:49] <zeeshan> 50,000 km (which is like 35000 miles for you americans)
[01:42:55] <zeeshan> :)
[01:43:20] <zeeshan> i wish subaru had more paper work in their quality process
[01:43:24] <malcom2073> I appreciate the freedomunits
[01:43:30] <zeeshan> maybe this could be prevented
[01:43:30] <zeeshan> :{
[01:43:36] <malcom2073> Probably by not driving it like a douche
[01:43:47] <enleth> zeeshan: any ideas about the initial cause?
[01:44:03] <zeeshan> malcom2073: its supposed to be for spirited driving
[01:44:13] <zeeshan> but i didnt really drive it too spiritedly :P
[01:44:18] <malcom2073> zeeshan: I'd say your definition of spirited and theirs are at odds :)
[01:44:20] <Tom_itx> zee did it
[01:44:32] <zeeshan> enleth i think it was ringland failure, which caused piston to seize
[01:44:33] <Tom_itx> he was acting like chebby chase in that movie with the blonde girl...
[01:44:38] <zeeshan> which ripped the wrist pin out of the piston
[01:44:47] <zeeshan> and as the rod came up it took out the remaining piston
[01:44:58] <zeeshan> then all the shards got into the oil, went through the oil system and seized all the toher bearings
[01:45:02] <malcom2073> Top gear taught zeeshan that the handbrake is directly tied to a womans sex drive
[01:47:51] <enleth> zeeshan: how did it sound?
[01:48:01] <zeeshan> kaboom
[01:48:20] <zeeshan> actually
[01:48:21] <zeeshan> more like
[01:48:26] <zeeshan> crunch crunch yum yum kaboom
[01:48:36] <Tom_itx> then a blue cloud of cusswords was like the aftershock
[01:49:16] <Tom_itx> i've driven a vehicle with a rod out for a good ways once
[01:50:43] <Sync> zeeshan: was it the out of round piston that failed?
[01:51:08] <Tom_itx> it would be hard to tell at that point
[01:51:31] <Sync> he measured before install
[01:51:47] <Tom_itx> new ones
[01:52:09] <Tom_itx> not the failed one
[01:52:22] <zeeshan> what car tom
[01:52:36] <zeeshan> sync this isnt the new engine
[01:52:45] <Tom_itx> i thought you were talking about the subaru
[01:52:55] <zeeshan> i am
[01:52:59] <zeeshan> but what car were you talking aboutt
[01:53:09] <zeeshan> the one w/ a rod out
[01:53:15] <Sync> ah
[01:53:27] <zeeshan> Sync: i learned a lot about subaru engines the last couple weeks
[01:53:27] <Tom_itx> i was also talking about the subaru
[01:53:40] <zeeshan> asap you take off the torque plate off, the bores go out of round by .0015"
[01:53:41] <zeeshan> easily
[01:53:48] <zeeshan> w/ the torque plate on theyre within 0.0003"
[01:54:07] <zeeshan> which makes sense cause if you try to imagine a piece of jellow and you compressing it
[01:54:08] <zeeshan> it bulges out
[01:54:27] <zeeshan> but in the case of an engine block it doesnt bulge out evenly cause theres more material in one direction than the other
[01:54:40] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: ah
[01:54:44] <Sync> heatcycle it with the plate on, that would be interesting
[01:54:44] <zeeshan> F subaru!!
[01:55:00] <Sync> zeeshan: tell me what next car to buy
[01:55:02] <zeeshan> honestly man, i hate aluminum blocks
[01:55:14] <zeeshan> definitely not a subaru if you value your money
[01:55:41] <zeeshan> my next car is definitely something along the lines of a toyota 4runner
[01:56:13] <zeeshan> toyota calls themself the best manufacturer in the world
[01:56:13] <Sync> thinking about a stagea
[01:56:15] <zeeshan> which they defintely are
[01:56:26] <Sync> or a 135 bemar
[01:56:32] <zeeshan> but i really think they make the most reliable cars in the world too
[01:59:33] <Sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnvnZuXKKsE zeeshan
[01:59:42] <jdh> was that a stock subaru ?
[02:00:01] <zeeshan> haha sync
[02:00:02] <zeeshan> ROFL
[02:00:06] <zeeshan> jdh yes
[02:00:59] <Sync> http://imgur.com/a/6uO37 zeeshan
[02:01:34] <zeeshan> goddamn subarus..
[02:01:35] <zeeshan> garbage
[02:01:46] <jdh> I still might get one
[02:02:06] <jdh> if I sell my boat
[02:02:07] <zeeshan> only if i read nasioc.com before i bought one
[02:02:14] <zeeshan> i wouldnt be in so much misery
[02:03:25] <Sync> what do you think about the stagea? :D
[02:03:40] <zeeshan> never heard of it
[02:04:04] <Sync> http://bestcarmag.com/sites/default/files/9097653nissan-stagea-r34-c955205072014191841_5.jpg
[02:04:14] <Sync> wagon with a gtr driveline
[02:07:17] <zeeshan> ah interesitng
[02:07:56] <Sync> I suspect if anything happens to the body
[02:07:58] <Sync> I'm fucked
[02:08:31] <robin_sz> you'd like my borthers Mazda
[02:08:42] <robin_sz> RX7
[02:08:53] <robin_sz> but with a triple rotor engine
[02:09:07] <zeeshan> nothing to like about a rotary
[02:09:07] <zeeshan> :p
[02:09:18] <robin_sz> it dynos a little short of 700
[02:09:24] <zeeshan> for 5000 miles
[02:09:25] <zeeshan> hoorayyyyyyy
[02:09:33] <robin_sz> 5000 ... you wish
[02:09:49] <CaptHindsight> get a 91-94 or maybe to 97 Land Cruiser
[02:09:53] <robin_sz> I think hed be happy with half that ;)
[02:10:01] <zeeshan> hehe
[02:10:28] <robin_sz> his old double rotor one was about 500, and would blow off porches without much trouble
[02:10:38] <robin_sz> this triple rotor is nuts
[02:11:10] <CaptHindsight> for reliable
[02:12:07] <robin_sz> your scooby, that cylnder
[02:12:15] <robin_sz> I think you'll need to hone it
[02:12:24] <CaptHindsight> I once drove 2k miles on a trip without any oil in the front diff. It was caked with grease from the seals leaking. When I pilled it apart there was no sign of wear with 200K miles on it.
[02:12:48] <robin_sz> I would start with quite a coarse hone.
[02:13:23] <robin_sz> 91 -94 ...
[02:13:36] <robin_sz> can you still get the fuel for those?
[02:13:46] <robin_sz> do they need a special type of coal?
[02:13:53] <robin_sz> or just regualr steaming coal?
[02:14:09] <CaptHindsight> I put the bearing back in the boxed for 100-200k miles for now and just cleaned, aligned it with new seals.
[02:14:37] <CaptHindsight> just unleaded coal
[02:21:09] <CaptHindsight> I wish that somebody made a sedan or coup with the same reliability
[02:22:39] <CaptHindsight> bearings that last, seals that don't leak, suspension parts that don't bend and wear in 50K miles
[02:22:58] <bobo___> so do I. or even a truck
[02:23:42] <zeeshan> robin_sz: the cylinder completely blown
[02:23:44] <zeeshan> on the b ottom side :P
[02:24:06] <CaptHindsight> some cars they just don't make parts using decent alloys
[02:24:16] <zeeshan> i dont mind changing suspension after 50 k miles
[02:24:19] <zeeshan> but not an engine
[02:24:25] <zeeshan> i dont care about anything thats bolt on
[02:24:44] <zeeshan> my mitsubishi eclipse had 600,000 km on the factory motor
[02:24:51] <zeeshan> but i went thru 5 alternators thru that life
[02:24:52] <zeeshan> :P
[02:24:57] <zeeshan> 3 were junkyard ones
[02:25:07] <CaptHindsight> I paid $50 extra for NSK bearings for a Nissan that went bad in under 20K
[02:25:18] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: you gotta be careful!
[02:25:24] <zeeshan> theres soooooooo many knock offs
[02:25:27] <zeeshan> its crazy
[02:25:35] <robin_sz> zeeshan, it looks quite bad, I think it needs a hone, and the piston will need some balancing work as well, maybe even new rings
[02:25:36] <zeeshan> are you talking about the wheel bearings?
[02:25:43] <zeeshan> robin_sz: lol
[02:25:53] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I get all my Toyota parts from a dealer that knows them inside out...
[02:26:01] <CaptHindsight> yeah wheel bearings
[02:26:22] <CaptHindsight> I pressed them in and out so I know I didn't hurt them
[02:26:54] <zeeshan> for wheel bearings i really like SKF or FAG
[02:27:13] <CaptHindsight> I hate doing preemptive service and the have the new parts die
[02:27:24] <zeeshan> thats the worst man
[02:27:32] <zeeshan> doing shit twice.
[02:27:34] <CaptHindsight> oh sorry they were SKF
[02:28:06] <CaptHindsight> I wish the Nissan ECU's were more hacked...
[02:28:36] <CaptHindsight> they did a shit job and they throw codes for things that are fine
[02:29:17] <zeeshan> i havent seen nissan in the top 10 list for most reliable brand
[02:29:25] <CaptHindsight> or they program the idle air control valve stepper to take 30 seconds to open
[02:29:30] <zeeshan> i mostly see toyota, lexus (toyota!), buick, honda
[02:29:45] <zeeshan> is it a stepper?
[02:29:49] <CaptHindsight> I had one earlier Nissan that was great
[02:29:55] <CaptHindsight> yeah, stepper
[02:30:01] <zeeshan> i recall for the 240sx it was a servo
[02:30:04] <zeeshan> been a while
[02:30:25] <CaptHindsight> and the preemptive replacement died and killed the driver in the ECU
[02:30:40] <CaptHindsight> real turds in the Maximas
[02:30:41] <zeeshan> lol
[02:31:07] <CaptHindsight> the 4 cylinder Sentras were great
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[02:32:16] <CaptHindsight> cheap, easy to fix, reliable
[02:32:35] <CaptHindsight> I'd rate the maxima 2 out of 10
[02:33:22] <robin_sz> the basic problem with cars is ...
[02:33:31] <robin_sz> double the required number of wheels
[02:33:36] <zeeshan> lol
[02:34:54] <CaptHindsight> unfortunately the drivers of cars around here don't see cycles
[02:35:20] <CaptHindsight> or they do after you get jammed under their bumper
[02:35:54] <CaptHindsight> blind as bats
[02:36:36] <CaptHindsight> are any of the new tiny cars reliable?
[02:37:35] <zeeshan> mazdas are crazy reliable
[02:37:36] <CaptHindsight> I used to get rear ended by old people when driving an Alfa Spyder
[02:37:37] <zeeshan> im suprised
[02:38:35] <CaptHindsight> how are the Fiat 500's?
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[02:41:12] <CaptHindsight> The Focus RS and ST seems to have tons of hacks and aftermarket parts
[02:41:40] <robin_sz> no good for Americans though
[02:41:52] <CaptHindsight> why come?
[02:42:04] <CaptHindsight> why is that?
[02:42:12] <robin_sz> or do they do a XXXXXXL version for the US?
[02:42:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ford.com/cars/focus/
[02:42:46] <robin_sz> its probably the same as the European focus
[02:42:51] <robin_sz> scaled up x 1.5
[02:43:53] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKE2RtVCfw4 a video of the raptor cutting some pcb
[02:44:07] <Polymorphism> it looks ok? can only tell so much from a video
[02:44:20] <CaptHindsight> 104.3″ wheelbase
[02:45:01] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, ive seen that done, but it looks useless
[02:45:02] <CaptHindsight> Length, Overall 171.7 in Width, Max w/o mirrors 71.7 in
[02:45:25] <Polymorphism> far from useless for my work
[02:45:26] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, I haven used leade components since the last 10 years
[02:45:32] <CaptHindsight> looks like the same chassis as the EU versions
[02:45:47] <robin_sz> CaptHindsight, how will americans get in it?
[02:46:07] <Polymorphism> SMD should be no problem robin_sz
[02:46:15] <Polymorphism> I hope
[02:46:17] <CaptHindsight> robin_sz: bacon fat
[02:46:20] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, uh huh ...
[02:46:27] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, hint: vias.
[02:46:33] <CaptHindsight> robin_sz: coat driver and door, slide in
[02:46:42] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, hint: pcbcart
[02:47:14] <robin_sz> CaptHindsight, thats unsafe, greased in bacon fat, the passenger will probably mistake him for brunch
[02:48:36] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, I can't get anthing close to regualr PCB tracks on a mill, I *regualrly* run a track through the gap in an 0805 .. you cant mill that
[02:49:16] <Polymorphism> what???
[02:49:57] <CaptHindsight> robin_sz: they scent it with warm beer so it's repulsive the the locals
[02:50:08] <robin_sz> that would do it
[02:50:12] <CaptHindsight> the /to
[02:50:32] <robin_sz> CaptHindsight, you know the basic problem?
[02:50:44] <CaptHindsight> I have to bring a beer warmer or wait 30 minutes to drink beer here
[02:50:47] <Polymorphism> lots of videos of pcb on youtube on these desk mills
[02:50:52] <Polymorphism> routers, realluy
[02:51:05] <robin_sz> CaptHindsight, in Europe, people understand that the Mc Donalds menu is a list, from which you select a meal
[02:51:21] <robin_sz> in the US, people think it is a list of what they are about to eat
[02:51:44] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, yep and for low density prototypes it can work
[02:51:48] <CaptHindsight> it's worse than that
[02:51:58] <CaptHindsight> many can't read the list
[02:52:03] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, but for real life pcbs, you would normally have plenty of vias
[02:52:17] <Polymorphism> ok
[02:52:18] <robin_sz> Polymorphism, and tracks run through or under other components
[02:52:25] <Polymorphism> I was mostly thinking for rapid prototyping
[02:52:36] <robin_sz> a track through the gap in a 0805 is normal
[02:52:38] <Polymorphism> and one off designs that dont need high densitry
[02:52:47] <robin_sz> for one offs sure
[02:53:07] <CaptHindsight> you can SLA and inkjet print multilayer PCB's but that is above your pay grade
[02:53:13] <robin_sz> but for an actual baord test that you might put into production?
[02:53:42] <robin_sz> I just send the gerbers to PCB cart and send dollars
[02:53:55] <robin_sz> or PCBtrain
[02:54:08] <robin_sz> or whichever Chinese pcb house I am favouring that day
[02:54:40] <robin_sz> one thing the Chinese do very well is PCBs
[02:54:58] <CaptHindsight> also Chinese food
[02:55:01] <Polymorphism> xD
[02:55:04] <robin_sz> ah yes
[02:55:07] <robin_sz> dammit
[02:55:12] <robin_sz> I need noodles
[02:56:09] <CaptHindsight> robin_sz: where in the EU are you?
[02:58:10] <robin_sz> UK
[02:58:27] <robin_sz> or Ventura, California
[02:58:33] <robin_sz> depending on which week it is
[03:02:00] <CaptHindsight> if you think that Californians are large, you should see the midwest
[03:02:00] <bobo___> so,what side of the road are you driving on this week?
[03:02:33] <Polymorphism> http://hackaday.com/2012/11/29/through-hole-plating-and-milling-at-home/
[03:02:40] <CaptHindsight> 4am in the UK, 8pm in CA
[03:02:41] <Polymorphism> I only need 1 sided board
[03:03:15] <Polymorphism> and probably dont need that
[03:03:18] <Polymorphism> but its interesting
[03:03:52] <Polymorphism> well the video itself is drawn out and boring, I just meant the completed result
[03:04:52] <Polymorphism> the height map part I hadn't thought about
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[03:22:33] <Polymorphism> http://www.wolfgangengineering.com/ww-650-spindle.html
[03:22:35] <Polymorphism> whats this all about
[03:24:25] <Polymorphism> nvm
[03:24:38] <Not-Renny> It's a spinny thing that doesn't get as hot as similar spinny things
[03:28:23] <Polymorphism> I can't run a 2.2kw spindle on 110?
[03:34:36] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-65MM-ER11-1-5KW-WATER-COOLED-MOTOR-SPINDLE-AND-DRIVE-INVERTER-VFD-/390374417362?hash=item5ae420e3d2:g:HbEAAOSw~gRVyI8z
[03:34:38] <Polymorphism> german bearings
[03:34:39] <Polymorphism> =D
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[03:40:11] <Polymorphism> "4 bearing in"
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[03:40:12] <Polymorphism> excellent
[03:45:55] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CORSb2NtV0Q'
[03:49:24] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nISbtalt7tk
[03:50:23] <minibnz> argh!! still unable to get the Z axis to move up and down.. if i thought there was very few examples of python components there is like one incomplete example of sequential programming.. argh.. all i need is the head to move up and down a set distance when i wants it..
[03:50:41] <minibnz> think i am going to go back to trying to work out how to get the remap stuff to work
[03:51:05] <os1r1s> minibnz You see my pm25 bid?
[03:51:17] <os1r1s> video
[03:52:07] <minibnz> nope
[03:52:51] <os1r1s> minibnz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVRlXcPhifQ
[03:53:20] <minibnz> nice
[03:53:43] <os1r1s> Its getting there ...
[03:53:47] <os1r1s> slowly
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[04:37:16] <minibnz> ok after another day of poking around the net i have hit a brick wall.. i MUST upgrade to be able to remap teh M6 command
[04:37:34] <minibnz> remapping is not supported in 2.5 release..
[04:37:44] <minibnz> time to go see if i can find a bigger CF card
[04:38:22] <minibnz> oh ever decreasing circles..
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[04:59:48] <minibnz> ok i found an 8gb card in my printer thats not used for anything :) so now.. i gotta find a usb key that will take the linuxcnc live cd image all i found was a 64 and 2
[04:59:48] <minibnz> oh this is going to take some time...
[05:01:11] <minibnz> first have to rip the old image off the 4gb card on to the laptop then i have to drop that on to the 8gb card.. all under usb2.0 then once i have that i can boot off the 8gb card. resize the partition and then attempt to update to the latet version of linuxcnc..
[05:02:40] <minibnz> i guess it could be worse i could be using a spining drive.. that would have failed years ago.. all the vibrations of the mill would have scrapped the platers clean
[05:05:02] <minibnz> just hope i have enough free space to install gparted to make resizing the partition easy.. almost fool proof compared to the cli tools i would have to use..
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[06:01:13] <minibnz> oh DD is so slow... 2 hours and its only just half way..
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[06:19:52] <Ralith> dd isn't slow, your bus is slow :P
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[06:31:45] <minibnz> :)
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[06:58:50] <Deejay> moin
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[07:08:35] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
[07:11:06] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foLsg3g7toU
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[08:35:44] <pink_vampire> hi
[08:35:48] <pink_vampire> someone here?
[08:39:02] <kengu> should be
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[08:47:48] <pink_vampire> hi
[08:48:21] <pink_vampire> the machine making chips! 1000mm/min in aluminum!
[09:07:04] <MrTrick> how fast in potato?
[09:07:27] * MrTrick prefers climb milled chips - they hold salt better
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[10:16:39] <pink_vampire> MrTrick: http://ustre.am/1qGHt
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[10:20:30] <MrTrick> nifty. :-)
[10:24:04] <pink_vampire> you have also something similar, no?
[10:27:11] <pink_vampire> MrTrick: ^
[10:32:54] <MrTrick> no, I have a cheap chinese router.
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[10:38:18] <minibnz> it might be cheap but does it work MrTrick?
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[10:56:45] <MrTrick> minibnz: it does! Unfortunately it doesn't get much use these days, as I have a hackerspace membership, and access to 3 bigger ones.
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[11:06:58] <pink_vampire> http://ustre.am/1qGHt
[11:07:01] <pink_vampire> parting!
[11:07:21] <pink_vampire> clamp with tape!
[11:09:43] <__rob2> right, trying to sort some bits out on my mill, just probed the 4 corners, I probed one, zeroed, then all others are wrt to that, BackLeft/BackRight/FrontRight/FrontLeft 0.000/0.000/-0.008/-0.023
[11:09:44] <__rob2> mm
[11:10:12] <__rob2> what I am trying to sort out is a feelable bump when facing in passes along X direction
[11:11:51] <pink_vampire> __rob2: pics?
[11:13:13] <archivist> between passes, sawtooth form?
[11:13:36] <__rob2> yea
[11:14:41] <archivist> axis of cutter not perpendicular to face exactly
[11:16:18] <__rob2> yea, so I loosened the bolts that hold the mill to the base over hte weekend
[11:16:32] <__rob2> saw some other guy who introduced a ton of twist doing them more then finger tight
[11:17:01] <__rob2> so now just trying to isolate what I can do to get it perpendicular
[11:17:18] <__rob2> its basically the spindle leaning foward or backwards
[11:17:32] <archivist> tramming has a number of aspects, column to base, and axis to column slide, column slide straight over all its travel
[11:17:47] <archivist> play in some axis
[11:18:30] <__rob2> yup, well from the above measurements it seems that the base is drooping at the front
[11:18:44] <archivist> even a loose gib on the Z will allow a lean
[11:18:49] <__rob2> looking at the inspection certificate, but its pretty tricky to see what is what
[11:19:12] <archivist> and is the step measurable
[11:19:30] <__rob2> not on my calipers
[11:19:35] <__rob2> I can feel it though
[11:19:45] <__rob2> and see it in the surface
[11:20:18] <archivist> seeing is natural due to the milled surface
[11:20:40] <__rob2> yea, in the fingers I can feel it though
[11:20:45] <archivist> put a dti on the head traverse the work under
[11:21:00] <pink_vampire> one panel is done
[11:21:01] <__rob2> yea, ok, will do a fresh one and try that
[11:21:08] <__rob2> back in a bit with some measurements!
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[11:27:57] <minibnz> __rob2 i used a fly cutter to test my tramming. you gotta do a few passes in each direction on each axis to see what giong on. then i give it a little honning to see what happened
[11:28:31] <__rob2> yet to try the fly cutter
[11:28:37] <minibnz> so two or three passes with moving only X then hone and inspect the repeat that on the Y axis.
[11:29:11] <minibnz> the fly cutter is good because you can open it up and it magnitfies the errors and limits how many passes required to test
[11:29:24] <__rob2> just gonna try this face mill again, then might give the fly cutter a go
[11:29:51] <archivist> wider cut, error more obvious
[11:30:26] <archivist> cheat, cutter covers entire surface in one pass
[11:31:00] <archivist> slight convex/concave if you can see that well
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[11:32:07] <minibnz> if i have a test block i set the fly cutter diameter to a bit more than 1/3 the test block width, then do a pass on the edges then the middle and hone then do the middle pass first .then the edges, for both the X and Y axis it lets you see all the combinations of climb milling etc...
[11:33:17] <minibnz> archivist that doesnt test for the problem just hides it :) and if you dont have a mill big enough to do a single pass the what?
[11:33:44] <archivist> I did say cheat
[11:34:27] <archivist> well aware of errors, hence I never face anything on my mill :)
[11:34:34] <minibnz> yes you did.. but he is not using a fly cutter :)
[11:36:41] <Sync> just put a dti in the chuck and measure the tramming
[11:38:08] <minibnz> you also have to do that in reverse too.. with the dial fixed to check the spindle to post to bed tramming too..
[11:38:11] <archivist> that does not measure axis squareness to x/y travel, only top face to Z spindle axis
[11:42:54] <minibnz> finally about 10 hours later i have a 8gb CF card imaged, now to see if it works then i can attempt to resize the partition and upgrade linuxcnc
[11:45:32] <minibnz> well it hasnt failed yet :)
[11:45:50] <minibnz> i have a cursor flashing in the top left corner but thats it..
[11:45:51] <__rob2> https://goo.gl/photos/1R8uuRCNb8zZXfVQ9
[11:45:54] <__rob2> archivist, can you see that ?
[11:46:03] <__rob2> so thats to show the stepover
[11:46:03] <minibnz> oh there we go a ubuntu logo :) yay
[11:46:29] <__rob2> http://i.snag.gy/a6c5n.jpg
[11:46:31] <__rob2> thats the finish
[11:46:36] <archivist> __rob2, can you use a sane picture bin
[11:46:44] <__rob2> its a video
[11:46:47] <__rob2> I can youtube it
[11:47:15] <minibnz> how about a close up with out the coolant gong
[11:47:17] <minibnz> going
[11:47:45] <__rob2> well that was just to show the direction
[11:47:47] <_methods> so you bought a tormach and it's table is that far out
[11:48:02] <__rob2> well
[11:48:18] <_methods> i'd be a bit pissed
[11:48:20] <__rob2> I don't know if my problems are the table
[11:48:25] <Sync> ah well archivist just use an angle and the dti then
[11:48:33] <_methods> you said you measured .023 out
[11:48:38] <_methods> that's f'd up
[11:48:48] <__rob2> yea, mm, but it could be my mounting on the base
[11:48:52] <_methods> ahhhh
[11:48:59] <__rob2> letting it sink
[11:49:02] <_methods> i thought you were measuring imperial
[11:49:08] <_methods> ok so that's not too bad
[11:49:38] <__rob2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOR8BjLA_9E
[11:51:03] <_methods> that was after you faced it
[11:51:07] <__rob2> yea
[11:51:24] <_methods> that could have been the material movin or the vise moving
[11:51:40] <__rob2> well it happens every time
[11:51:48] <__rob2> the vice is clamped hard
[11:51:50] <archivist> even spring in the column due to a blund cutter
[11:51:53] <_methods> after you face it, it should be flat
[11:52:03] <archivist> blunt
[11:52:08] <__rob2> so that bump is between the 2 passes
[11:52:12] <__rob2> as per the first video
[11:53:02] <__rob2> so does look like the spindle face is not parallel wrt to the table
[11:53:05] <_methods> well your vise looks like it's clamped decent
[11:53:09] <__rob2> like its leaning foward
[11:53:26] <_methods> if you do 3 passes do you have the same issue?
[11:53:39] <__rob2> yea, tried with 1/2 the stepover
[11:53:43] <__rob2> just get 1/2 the error
[11:53:47] <__rob2> bump is still there
[11:53:49] <archivist> do a spring pass to finish up
[11:53:56] <_methods> sounds like some column deflection
[11:54:11] <__rob2> that was 0.5mm facing pass
[11:54:14] <__rob2> I'll run it again
[11:54:32] <_methods> what is the radius on the cutter inserts?
[11:54:35] <archivist> leaning back I expect from blunt cutter, forward is a gib/column error
[11:55:20] <archivist> or axis to column error
[11:55:33] <__rob2> they are new inserts
[11:55:36] <__rob2> 38mm
[11:55:40] <__rob2> diameter
[11:55:50] <_methods> are they button inserts?
[11:55:57] <archivist> need to diagnose which error, and if in the machines spec
[11:56:23] <__rob2> http://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=31280
[11:56:27] <__rob2> not sure what you call'em
[11:56:39] <_methods> ahh good
[11:56:40] <archivist> I had a cheap machine show the same problem, sold it :)
[11:56:42] <__rob2> they are not all at exactly the same height
[11:56:55] <__rob2> but that shouldn't make a difference as far as I see it
[11:56:57] <_methods> which inserts are you using?
[11:57:02] <__rob2> just 1 of them would cut lower, but lower everywhere
[11:57:03] <_methods> the 31709?
[11:57:16] <_methods> that is aluminum you're cutting right?
[11:57:21] <__rob2> http://www.mitsubishicarbide.net/mmus/enus/rotating_inserts/no_srs/20050811
[11:57:23] <__rob2> these guys
[11:57:23] <__rob2> ytea
[11:57:24] <__rob2> yea
[11:57:27] <__rob2> aluminium
[11:57:54] <_methods> yeah you need to take at least .032" depth of cut
[11:58:17] <_methods> so .5mm won't be fully buryin the cutter radius
[11:59:11] <_methods> i doubt that is the full cause of this issue
[12:00:49] <__rob2> well running across the pass, its higher at the back, then the front
[12:01:25] <__rob2> maybe by 0.0005"
[12:01:39] <__rob2> which suggests the head is leaning foward
[12:01:49] <__rob2> forward*
[12:03:46] <__rob2> I have had 1 crash aswell
[12:03:49] <__rob2> of the face mill, into the vice
[12:04:06] <__rob2> whether that has bent it, but I can't in my head see how that would cause this
[12:04:12] <__rob2> but please correct me if I am wrong
[12:04:52] <__rob2> like if it was bent off axis, I would expect a V groove to be cut
[12:04:59] <_methods> it very well could cause it
[12:05:06] <_methods> you never know what damage a crash can cause
[12:05:25] <Sync> well, you can still see the crosshatch
[12:05:30] <minibnz> man i am hitting roadblocks left right and center... now i need to find a way to resize my boot partition... i cant do it if i boot it from the actual disk so i gotta find a way to resize a etx3 partition on OSX
[12:05:31] <Sync> so the tramming is probably still ok
[12:07:07] <__rob2> right, maybe it is the face mill, I guess the fly cutter is the way to rule that out
[12:10:25] <minibnz> oh i am going to have to take the card and reader to work and do it there its 11pm its bedtime
[12:14:10] <_methods> i used to use these mitsubishi cutters when i needed a good finish in copper/brass/aluminum
[12:14:13] <_methods> https://www.mitsubishicarbide.com/EU/West/product/pdf/b027e.pdf
[12:15:34] <minibnz> ooooohhhh soooo shinny...
[12:15:52] <_methods> yeah they'll leave a mirror finish on brass and copper
[12:15:57] <_methods> mainly what i used them for
[12:16:11] <_methods> but they work great on aluminum too if you need a good finish face milling
[12:16:15] <minibnz> they belong in a trophy cabinet somewhere not next to my mill...
[12:17:18] <_methods> hahah
[12:17:39] <_methods> i sure as hell don't have any sitting in my garage next to my little chinese shit pile
[12:18:13] <minibnz> yeah now thats turd meets polish :)
[12:18:27] <_methods> well for $500
[12:18:36] <_methods> kinda hard to beat for plinkin around at the house
[12:19:02] <_methods> another $300-400 for steppers/drivers/computer
[12:19:04] <minibnz> i am surprised how nice my mill has turned out to be.. it cost me $950au
[12:19:07] <_methods> and good to go
[12:19:40] <_methods> yeah less than $1k and you have a passable cnc that will kinda cut steel lol
[12:19:43] <minibnz> and then spent about another 1500 on upgrades... now its time to buy tooling (ie collet tool holders for the changer)
[12:21:06] <minibnz> upgrades now include a cabinet for coolant and ballscrews and steppers all round and a mesa card i have yet to purchase... next pay.. i hate monthly pay until its payday that is..
[12:21:34] <minibnz> two more weeks :)
[12:21:37] <_methods> hahah
[12:21:42] <_methods> wow you get paid 1x a month?
[12:22:27] <minibnz> yeah electronics industry in australia all do it. i have only had two jobs where they paid me weekly or fortnightly..
[12:22:35] <_methods> wild
[12:22:51] <_methods> woudln't really bother me but i know a lot of people that would kill
[12:23:04] <minibnz> its kinda good as long as you pay all your bills and have them timed monthly too..
[12:23:11] <_methods> yeah
[12:23:31] <minibnz> i have a habit of spending until i have to live like a pauper for the last week
[12:23:37] <_methods> i use my credit card to pay all my bills then pay that off at the end of every month
[12:24:32] <minibnz> that and i just got a new job. and came in late to the pay cycle .. after 8 weeks of drinking between jobs :)
[12:25:29] <minibnz> i am now getting to the point where i can not order shit on ebay and still have walking around money i can spend :P
[12:26:02] <minibnz> but come pay day.. wooot.. drinks will be on me :) this job pays me twice my last job :)
[12:26:36] <minibnz> and i still dont have to take off my clothes to earn that...
[12:29:20] <pink_vampire> hi
[12:29:33] <minibnz> hi
[12:29:36] <jdh> could go for 3x without clothes? or 1/3x maybe
[12:29:54] <minibnz> depends on the co workers :)
[12:30:11] <pink_vampire> 3 panels done
[12:30:27] <minibnz> what are they i was watching the feed befroe
[12:40:51] <pink_vampire> I was the panels
[12:41:51] <pink_vampire> that*
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[12:55:50] <jdh> be the panels
[12:58:06] <pink_vampire> jdh: hehe.. with the chips that fly all over.. I'm sure now I have significant amount of aluminum in my body.
[12:58:34] <jdh> never work around the mill in open shoes
[13:02:23] <SpeedEvil> Never solder without underpants.
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[13:05:36] <pink_vampire> what about dress?
[13:05:40] <pink_vampire> heels?
[13:05:49] <__rob2> right, so I can measure mabey 0.001-0.002" higher at the front of my table than the back
[13:05:54] <__rob2> which would cause my face mill issue
[13:05:55] <pink_vampire> jdh: ^
[13:06:27] <__rob2> I've tried jacking the front of the mill way up, and the back
[13:06:32] <__rob2> to see if this makes any difference
[13:06:37] <__rob2> which it doesn't
[13:07:02] <__rob2> the base to head seems solid, so it must be in the actual Z axis
[13:07:20] <__rob2> or should i wait, for any bend in the cast iron to settle ?
[13:07:40] <__rob2> I mean, I have no idea if those kind of readings could be caused by warp in the base
[13:07:48] <__rob2> or not
[13:16:50] <MattyMatt_> are the Z gibs tight?
[13:18:05] <MattyMatt_> is the Z under the table or just on the column? it's the one underneath I'm thinking if it's there
[13:18:38] <__rob2> I've not adjusted the gibs
[13:18:41] <__rob2> they are set from tormach
[13:18:49] <__rob2> what do you mean under the table ?
[13:18:54] <MattyMatt_> nm, you said higher at the front. saggy table would be lower
[13:19:01] <__rob2> yea
[13:19:39] <__rob2> higher at front
[13:19:40] <archivist> loose Z gib would let the head sag
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[14:47:59] <__rob2> right, gib adjustment seemed to do nothing
[14:48:30] <archivist> do you have a box level?
[14:49:18] <archivist> this sort of thing http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_04_15_Levels/IMG_0588.JPG
[14:50:59] <DaViruz> slot processors!
[14:51:04] <DaViruz> almost forgotten about those
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[15:08:17] <__rob2> no, got no nice level
[15:13:39] <archivist> useful for checking column to table
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[15:15:05] <__rob2> how does that work ?
[15:15:11] <__rob2> run a dial indicator along the top or something ?
[15:17:05] <archivist> they are accurate so place between items to be checked
[15:19:17] <archivist> the bubble on that one is .001" in 10"
[15:19:39] <archivist> somewhat better that the sawtooth you are seeing
[15:19:48] <archivist> that/than
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[15:27:34] <archivist> I used a clinometer when I built mine
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[16:59:36] <maxcnc> hi all
[17:00:43] <maxcnc> Rain here the whole day
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[17:08:36] <FinboySlick> archivist: So that's what you use to make sure those Pentium 2 chips are level.
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[17:09:50] <archivist> this for P2 http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_04_15_Levels/IMG_0596.JPG
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[17:10:40] <archivist> never found out what it was designed for
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[17:11:18] <FinboySlick> archivist: I started parsing ebay for autocollimators the other day. You know, on the off chance that I ever get to work on making my mill straight and square.
[17:12:40] <FinboySlick> The collimator is just one piece though, then you also need a proper mirror. Those aren't as easy to find.
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[17:14:41] <archivist> there were some mirrors the other week but missed out
[17:15:19] <archivist> I did get one part of a laser interferometer setup :)
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[17:15:51] <archivist> may take the rest of the century to get the rest of the kit
[17:17:34] <archivist> the part I got is an HP straightness adapter, basically a beam splitter
[17:18:21] <archivist> thinking a laser pointer and a mirror might help
[17:20:45] <archivist> at last information http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30025312
[17:22:38] <FinboySlick> That's identical to yours.
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[17:27:34] <archivist> also found one sold on ebay for £30 ish
[17:29:25] <maxcnc> Polymorphism: order out ?
[17:38:07] <Sync> archivist: the hp interferometers are not terribly expensive used
[17:38:31] <archivist> Sync, if you have a job and a wage
[17:38:51] <maxcnc> im off GN8
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[17:41:32] <spuuser1> record lathes?
[17:42:31] <Sync> well, of course archivist
[17:44:50] <spuuser1> what is CNC
[17:44:52] <spuuser1> im noob
[17:45:22] <djdelorie> computer numeric control
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[17:45:42] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/
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[17:55:37] <Tom_itx> how to do a sectional cut for SW for a drawing file
[17:55:48] <Tom_itx> ?
[17:56:49] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: I think you create a view for that. It'll ask for you to draw a section line in its parent view.
[17:57:11] <Tom_itx> ahh that's right
[17:57:14] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: It's been quite a while though, sorry I don't have SW handy here to give precise steps.
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[17:57:24] <Tom_itx> i don't do it often either
[17:57:32] <Tom_itx> i'll figure it out
[17:59:19] <archivist> there is a [ looking button somewhere
[17:59:46] <Tom_itx> done.
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[18:03:19] <Jymmm> Open Bracket --> [ Just above ENTER key
[18:05:17] <scoofy> right next to P
[18:08:28] <Polymorphism> maxcnc, not yet. I think I'm getting raptor.
[18:09:20] <Tom_itx> Polymorphism you should get a delta cnc
[18:09:27] * Polymorphism googles
[18:09:56] <Polymorphism> I saw this style... doesnt seem very common?
[18:10:05] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MOSnFSx8JQ
[18:10:06] <djdelorie> hard to keep the precision up
[18:10:23] <Tom_itx> no but it'll give him something else to ponder
[18:10:45] <Polymorphism> just what I need xD
[18:10:46] <Polymorphism> more choices
[18:10:55] <djdelorie> is it now a game to see how long we can keep him from ordering? ;-)
[18:11:23] <Tom_itx> guy at the lab is building a delta printer
[18:11:31] * djdelorie has a delta printer
[18:11:33] <Polymorphism> well on the forums, they said go with the raptor or the x6-2200l
[18:11:33] <scoofy> what is a delta printer?
[18:11:37] <Polymorphism> so thatrs what I'm going to do
[18:11:42] <Polymorphism> scoofy its very cool google it
[18:11:57] <djdelorie> scoofy: see http://www.seemecnc.com/products/rostock-max-complete-kit for example
[18:11:59] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MOSnFSx8JQ
[18:12:26] <Polymorphism> is a 3d printer less expensive to buy than a cnc>
[18:12:27] <Polymorphism> or build
[18:12:39] <Polymorphism> seems like it would be
[18:13:03] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJt2tGszp6U
[18:13:27] <Polymorphism> yes
[18:13:31] <Polymorphism> I've seen this a lot for pick and place
[18:13:36] <Polymorphism> it's faster?
[18:13:38] <Polymorphism> is that the advantage
[18:13:41] <Polymorphism> and more z travel
[18:13:58] <Tom_itx> it's just the cool factor
[18:14:51] <djdelorie> yeah, it's kinda mesmerizing to watch mine print...
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[18:16:16] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSUQvTvmhtk
[18:16:34] <Polymorphism> I need wire EDM
[18:16:39] <Jymmm> djdelorie: I like watching my laser like that. Bit different in that thee is no "mechanical" tool doing the work, and you can't "see" the light (most of the time).
[18:17:19] <scoofy> 'delta' refers to the configuration of three 'arms' hanging from the top?
[18:17:22] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4CGqzhOXpA
[18:17:24] <Polymorphism> scoofy, yes
[18:17:36] <Polymorphism> I guess
[18:17:40] <scoofy> looks pretty cool!
[18:17:49] <Polymorphism> I dont think this stryle is as good for my needs, but is nice
[18:17:52] <scoofy> seems it is quite capable
[18:18:33] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBueWfzb7P0
[18:18:34] <Polymorphism> soooo good
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[18:21:18] <scoofy> hmm
[18:21:23] <scoofy> that's like cutting styrofoam with a hot wire
[18:22:07] <Polymorphism> that first part is crazy
[18:22:09] <Polymorphism> the way it fits together
[18:22:20] <Polymorphism> could use this for cutting gerotor I bet
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[18:52:21] <scoofy> looks like awesome precision
[18:53:53] <Polymorphism> http://www.cncguns.com//images/HK416%20lower%20clone%20finished%20by%20HK996-4.jpg
[18:54:01] <Polymorphism> wow
[18:54:10] <Polymorphism> after polishing, ofc xD
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[18:54:52] <scoofy> O_o
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[19:01:09] <CaptHindsight> _methods: now Patty Duke and Vanity
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[19:07:30] <_methods> lol
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[19:36:29] <Polymorphism> http://www.tormach.com/product-pcnc-440.html
[19:39:09] <Lowridah> yesterday i spent a number of hours joining parts of the fosscad bolt ar15 lower receiver (it's like, 10 pieces) into two halves but only got half done
[19:39:25] <Lowridah> i kept trying to mill them out of aluminum but i'm having a hell of a time with my z axis skppipng
[19:40:11] <Lowridah> if this wasn't just a hobby i'd want to cash in some stock and just buy a tormach
[19:43:27] <Polymorphism> thats genius...
[19:43:34] <Polymorphism> I was just having that exact thought process
[19:43:54] <Polymorphism> not enough z travel on the average desktop router to cut the buffer tube + tap it
[19:43:56] <Polymorphism> this is the solution?
[19:45:32] <Polymorphism> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Sg4LfCI1_ms/T0qdEHeOKXI/AAAAAAAADjQ/YNSqueDSoZs/s1600/IMG_3123-e1329168748378-400x600.jpg
[19:45:41] <Polymorphism> that operation woulkdnt be possible on a lot of desktop routers, need a mill
[19:45:56] <Polymorphism> ~7" z clearance
[19:46:00] <Polymorphism> more really
[19:46:07] <SpeedEvil> Polymorphism: shiny
[19:46:16] <SpeedEvil> (the tormach)
[19:46:26] <Polymorphism> its tempting for sure
[19:46:32] <Polymorphism> preorder though
[19:46:48] <Polymorphism> and obviously way more than I want to spend
[19:47:45] <_methods> i found someone local selling an old south bend 7" shaper
[19:47:52] <_methods> i hope he hasn't sold it yet
[19:47:56] <_methods> $700
[19:48:12] <Polymorphism> not bad at all
[19:48:25] <_methods> looks like it's in good shape too
[19:48:29] <_methods> lol
[19:48:30] <Lowridah> Polymorphism: i'm printing the buffer tube adapter
[19:48:33] <_methods> shapers in good shape
[19:48:36] <_methods> hahah
[19:48:40] <_methods> http://images.craigslist.org/00W0W_3nfRGLFUTZV_600x450.jpg
[19:48:41] <Lowridah> but the bolt STL files has a machinable file
[19:49:03] <FinboySlick> _methods: What a cute little thing.
[19:49:12] <Lowridah> i got the idea from someone that did an ar15 lower in 3 piece in delrin
[19:49:17] <_methods> yeah
[19:49:26] <_methods> i got my fingers crossed
[19:49:32] <Lowridah> i have more than enough delrin, it's just 1.5" thick and i don't want to machine off 3/4 of an inch
[19:49:37] <FinboySlick> _methods: Be sure to stop it before you lean down to look at the face. A punch in the face from one of those is still going to give you a black eye.
[19:49:43] <_methods> hahah
[19:49:43] <Polymorphism> what are you using for a machine Lowridah
[19:49:51] <Lowridah> Polymorphism: shapeoko 3
[19:49:51] <_methods> clapper box to the forehead
[19:50:17] <Polymorphism> Lowridah, how do you like it? I've considered that machine
[19:50:42] <Lowridah> Polymorphism: i'd like it a lot more if the Z axis didn't suck like it does, it's a closed belt instead of a leadscrew
[19:50:48] <_methods> i'll be able to make a good bit of money off that thing just from my shop
[19:50:52] <_methods> doing blind keyways
[19:51:04] <Polymorphism> Lowridah,
[19:51:06] <Lowridah> at least on mine it's too slack, i need to disassemble it today and put a tensioner spring on the belt
[19:51:14] * Polymorphism takes a look
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[19:51:33] <Lowridah> but the linear motion is really nice on both the x and y axis, way better than some makerslide or an ox
[19:51:42] <Polymorphism> better than ox you say?
[19:51:52] <Lowridah> as far as linear motion, i think so
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[19:51:59] <FinboySlick> _methods: How would you setup a blind keway? Won't your chip all mush up at the bottom corner of the keyway?
[19:52:01] <Lowridah> the extrusions are just immense with no deflection
[19:52:06] <Lowridah> the envelope is just a bit too small
[19:52:23] <_methods> no idea lol
[19:52:32] <_methods> i've never done a blind keyway on one before
[19:52:35] <Polymorphism> Lowridah, would you buy it again if you were shopping today?
[19:52:35] <_methods> but i know you can do it
[19:52:49] <Polymorphism> for routing alu 2-4mm thick, cutting guitar body from hardwood 3d, etc
[19:53:02] <Lowridah> Polymorphism: yea, for the price point i don't think a 6040 would be much better and would require a lot of mods
[19:53:20] <_methods> FinboySlick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxQpzSh8DgY
[19:53:27] <Lowridah> my problem is i'm trying to machine kinda thick aluminum
[19:53:36] <Polymorphism> Lowridah, what about the x6 unit? http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/ it's $2500 shipped thou so more than shapeooko
[19:53:53] <Polymorphism> those x y rails do look nice on shapeooko 3
[19:54:02] <Lowridah> i kinda wish i had bout one or a harbor freight mill and converted it
[19:54:10] <Polymorphism> an x6?
[19:54:15] <Lowridah> i just didn't really know the process when i purchased, so it was nice just getting a turnkey machine
[19:54:18] <Lowridah> yes
[19:54:19] <Polymorphism> I saw that hf mill
[19:54:24] <Lowridah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e_a5T_xwPA
[19:54:28] <Lowridah> there's mine
[19:54:31] <Polymorphism> http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[19:54:41] <Polymorphism> the reason I ask, I'm about to buy a machine
[19:54:48] <Polymorphism> for 3k or less, trying to find th ebest deal
[19:54:52] * Polymorphism goes to watch video
[19:55:19] <Lowridah> for $3k you can likely get quite a bit better machine
[19:55:22] <Polymorphism> I'm very close to buying raptor, just worried about small work area. the raptor I can afford is 12.5x30x5.5"
[19:55:29] <Polymorphism> $2500 shipped
[19:55:33] <Polymorphism> not sure if its worth the extra over
[19:55:35] <Polymorphism> shapeoko 3
[19:55:36] <Polymorphism> or x6
[19:55:36] <FinboySlick> _methods: I guess it helps to have the tool pointing upward but I still can't imagine that you don't have stray chips getting all smashed up at the bottom.
[19:55:51] <Polymorphism> I would be trading precision + power for larger work area mayube? o
[19:56:04] <Polymorphism> that looks like it cuts al nicely
[19:56:10] <_methods> FinboySlick: yeah i was thinking that too but hell if i know
[19:56:23] <Lowridah> it does cut al okay, you just need to get the z belt night and taught
[19:56:26] <_methods> i used a shaper one time in college and that was it
[19:56:29] <Lowridah> which i don't have fully dialed in yet
[19:56:40] <Lowridah> i don't think it's got near the precision of an 'acutal' machine though
[19:56:54] <Polymorphism> do you think it could cut a pcb ?
[19:56:56] <FinboySlick> _methods: They're very elegant if a tad slow. Linear lathe.
[19:56:57] <Lowridah> i haven't spent more than 30 hours cutting with it yet so i'm a bad judge
[19:56:58] <_methods> but i've been looking for one of these little shapers for awhile
[19:57:01] <Lowridah> yea it'd cut PCB easily
[19:57:27] <Lowridah> there's a number of projects on the shapeoko forum where people do it
[19:57:29] <Polymorphism> lots to thunk about.. hmm
[19:57:33] <Polymorphism> I'll go check those forums
[19:58:28] <_methods> FinboySlick: i plan on makin some nice dovetail straight edges with it for scraping dovetail ways
[19:58:33] <FinboySlick> _methods: Though proper CNC mills nowadays make them obsolete, I imagine with a beefy enough mill and an indexable spindle, you could 'shape' cutting both ways with an insert tool.
[19:59:04] <_methods> i'll probably mainly use it for cutting keyways though
[19:59:23] <FinboySlick> _methods: They tend to slope a bit on long strokes.
[19:59:56] <FinboySlick> You can get a couple thou z difference from start to end of stroke.
[20:00:31] <_methods> yeah if nothing else their cool looking when they run lol
[20:01:16] <FinboySlick> It'd be entirely pointless, but making a servo-controlled shaper with linear ways would be cool ;)
[20:02:06] <_methods> hehe
[20:02:43] <FinboySlick> Instead of a clapper, you set up a tool that spins 180° and cut both ways.
[20:03:05] <FinboySlick> (for roughing, you finish cutting a single way)
[20:03:49] <_methods> high speed shaper lol
[20:04:39] <FinboySlick> MrPete was talking about them in one of his videos, said the large ones would give you 1lbs chips.
[20:05:24] <FinboySlick> A pound of steel per stroke must be pretty awesome to watch.
[20:05:47] <_methods> my father in law did his apprenticeship with GE in the 40's and all the apprentices got all of the shapers in teh shop in sync one day
[20:05:52] <_methods> they almost collapsed the building
[20:06:09] <_methods> lol
[20:06:41] <FinboySlick> Ah the good old days.
[20:06:59] <_methods> machine shop pranks lol
[20:07:59] <FinboySlick> Just did a google image search for 'large shaper'. It's full of women in underwear :P
[20:08:06] <_methods> hahahah
[20:09:10] <FinboySlick> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f19/115910d1409446450-large-cincinnati-shaper-sale-texas-_57.jpg was hidden in the lot though.
[20:09:39] <_methods> yeah i don't have room for that in teh garage
[20:09:41] <_methods> heh
[20:09:41] <FinboySlick> Back when men were men.
[20:12:56] <_methods> yeah i love old iron
[20:13:36] <_methods> kills me going to auctions seeing people buy it up to scrap it
[20:21:34] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire|2, I pm you
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[20:23:21] <Polymorphism> _methods, http://nh.craigslist.org/tls/5452417616.html
[20:23:23] <Polymorphism> what do you think
[20:23:44] <Tom_itx> buy it
[20:24:07] <_methods> better than a 6040 lol
[20:24:11] <Polymorphism> oh crap says control needs repair...
[20:24:14] <Polymorphism> it does look very nice though
[20:24:20] <Tom_itx> so
[20:24:31] <_methods> linuxcnc...........
[20:24:32] <Tom_itx> that's the kind of thing you're looking for instead of some damn toy
[20:24:42] <_methods> throw the control away
[20:24:55] <_methods> anilam trash
[20:26:29] <Polymorphism> hmm
[20:26:33] * Polymorphism goes to research more
[20:26:48] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: How's that gonna fit in your apartment?
[20:26:57] <Polymorphism> it wont, I have a shop as well
[20:27:04] <malcom2073> Ah there ya go
[20:27:12] <Polymorphism> so I'm considering someting larger
[20:27:27] <Polymorphism> more to consider it would seem
[20:27:49] <Polymorphism> the 9" x48"
[20:27:51] <Polymorphism> is that my work area
[20:28:54] <Lowridah> if i had the space and dough i'd have went that route instead
[20:28:55] <Tom_itx> even has glass scales
[20:28:58] <malcom2073> I don't remember how brigeports list their sizes. On my mill at least, "table size" is the physical size of the flat surface, travel being more in the Y and less in the X
[20:29:11] <Lowridah> aluminum makes a massive mess in a living room one way or another
[20:29:23] <Polymorphism> http://www.workshopaddict.com/forum/machining-cnc-manual/5616-30x60-cnc-router-assembly-build.html
[20:29:31] <Polymorphism> I just found this detailed build thread of the xzero cnc as well
[20:29:37] <Tom_itx> Lowridah, just don't machine in your slippers
[20:29:38] <FinboySlick> _methods: I imagine you have no room for this one either... http://inv.gibbsmachinery.com/q/webinv/003000=p,4634,0G1703,,p,,,20185878,b
[20:29:42] <Polymorphism> maybe it gives someone a better idea of if its worth the cash
[20:29:48] <Polymorphism> for ther smaller desktop route if I go that way
[20:29:55] <_methods> FinboySlick: no
[20:29:56] <_methods> lol
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[20:30:21] <_methods> that thing is a beast
[20:30:37] <malcom2073> Holy hell, look at the throw on that, I'll bet it can do some bigass gears
[20:30:40] <Tom_itx> naw, that would fit nicely in a 2nd floor apt
[20:30:44] <malcom2073> 100"
[20:30:53] <Polymorphism> thats insane...w
[20:30:53] <Polymorphism> tf
[20:31:11] <malcom2073> I wondered how they do huge gears
[20:31:14] <Polymorphism> thats legendary
[20:31:17] <Polymorphism> its been running since 1951???
[20:31:38] <malcom2073> Polymorphism: 1951 is fairly new for old iron :P
[20:31:44] <_methods> heh my horizontal is from 1938
[20:31:54] <Tom_itx> nearly as old as you
[20:31:59] <malcom2073> Snap
[20:31:59] <_methods> hahah
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[20:32:18] <malcom2073> Where's archivist when you need him, to tell us about his 1800's machines
[20:32:43] <jdh> I'm trying to change the IP of a device from 1993
[20:32:56] <_methods> hahah
[20:33:00] <Polymorphism> I suppose a well made machine maintained properly could last a very long time
[20:33:01] <malcom2073> "What's the MAC address?" "2"
[20:33:01] <Polymorphism> wow
[20:33:19] <_methods> you have to use the punch tape to change the IP
[20:34:11] <jdh> you have to access it by mac
[20:34:30] <jdh> then load via serial
[20:35:10] <jdh> It seems to have bricked itself halfway through the download
[20:35:39] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ-Auy9DjDI
[20:35:41] <Polymorphism> xzero cnc
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[20:36:52] <jdh> buy something already
[20:36:58] <_methods> lol
[20:37:29] <malcom2073> Future machine accident victim, caught on tape!
[20:37:37] <malcom2073> If he were to fall off and have the gantry roll over him.... heh
[20:38:09] <Polymorphism> lol
[20:38:22] <FinboySlick> I can't see this being any good for the little bearing balls either.
[20:40:34] <Polymorphism> someone needs to try it with a 6040 xD
[20:40:45] <Lowridah> aren't the bearings 608s or something standard?
[20:40:56] <Lowridah> I mean, you can put a hell of a lot of weight on four 608 bearings
[20:42:45] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7V7pruUyfQ&t=1m55s
[20:42:50] <Polymorphism> is that really a "finite" amount?
[20:43:36] <Lowridah> Polymorphism: did you see the linked video
[20:43:37] <Lowridah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOgS626gK1Y
[20:43:51] <Polymorphism> l;et me take a look
[20:43:58] <Lowridah> the guy tht did that one sells endstop kits, i ended up just printing out approximations
[20:44:10] <Lowridah> it's impressive how well he runs such a cheap little machine
[20:45:00] <Polymorphism> that looks pretty nice....
[20:45:09] <Polymorphism> is that an upgrade?endstop kits?
[20:45:19] <Lowridah> yea they don't come by default
[20:45:26] <malcom2073> Heh that chatter!
[20:45:31] <FinboySlick> Is it just the nature of the beast or could he have trammed this better? Looks like he's leaving grooves at the bottom.
[20:45:36] <Lowridah> everyone sells the kits for $70 or so but it's $5 in switches
[20:46:09] <Polymorphism> people talk about chatter
[20:46:11] <Polymorphism> and yues I hear it..
[20:46:13] <Polymorphism> but does it matter?
[20:46:15] <Polymorphism> what does it mean
[20:46:17] <Polymorphism> other than a bad sound
[20:46:22] <Lowridah> yea it does, its bad on the endmill itself
[20:46:26] <Polymorphism> thats it?
[20:46:26] <Lowridah> not to mention tolerances
[20:46:27] <Polymorphism> thats all?
[20:46:32] <Lowridah> i theenk
[20:46:35] <Polymorphism> endmills dont look that expensive...
[20:46:36] <Lowridah> i'm not an expert
[20:46:37] <FinboySlick> It leaves bad finish.
[20:46:38] <Connor> Also typically means bad finish.
[20:46:41] <Polymorphism> ah
[20:46:46] <malcom2073> Tooling can be your biggest expense heh
[20:46:56] <Polymorphism> for me I hope not
[20:46:59] <Polymorphism> cutting 2-4mm al
[20:47:02] <Polymorphism> + engraving + pcb cut
[20:47:06] <Polymorphism> maybe 3d guitar carve
[20:47:09] <Polymorphism> if I get a larger neough machine
[20:47:09] <malcom2073> PCBs tear apart endmills
[20:47:11] <Polymorphism> I will make a strat
[20:47:18] <malcom2073> fortunatly, you can get them in packs from ebay for fairly cheap
[20:47:24] <Lowridah> i'd still buy a better machine if you can afford it though, the so3 is neat as a desktop cutter but it's pretty limited
[20:47:48] <Lowridah> i don't regret it, i just need to adjust my expectations
[20:47:58] <Polymorphism> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EQ1WI2C/ref=s9_simh_gw_g469_i5_r?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=1RQRRDBXC7KW92A59KC0&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2437869742&pf_rd_i=desktop
[20:47:58] <Polymorphism> pcb
[20:48:08] <Polymorphism> not a bad price =D
[20:48:23] <Polymorphism> Lowridah, I need to carefully consider what you'ver just said
[20:48:30] <Lowridah> i bought these personally
[20:48:31] <Lowridah> http://www.amazon.com/Autek-Titanium-Carbide-Engraving-J3-3001Tix10/dp/B00HC98K2C?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
[20:48:34] <Lowridah> but haven't used them
[20:48:46] <Polymorphism> Lowridah, if you were me would you give up larger work area of the shaepoko for rigidity of the xzero raptor?
[20:48:58] <Polymorphism> and if yuou needed more work area, would you pick x6-2200l over hsapeoko 3 if you had the extra cash
[20:48:59] <Lowridah> i work for amazon so i buy all my tooling there to get the 10% discount heh
[20:49:05] <Polymorphism> nice =D
[20:49:16] <Polymorphism> those you linked look better
[20:49:46] <Polymorphism> because gold
[20:50:00] <Polymorphism> ti coat hmm
[20:51:12] <Polymorphism> Lowridah, those 2 questions are what I'm struggling with
[20:54:22] <Polymorphism> .9950" on his test piece
[20:54:24] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7V7pruUyfQ
[20:54:34] <Polymorphism> odd way to fixture it though?
[20:54:41] <Polymorphism> he cant cut it out clean why not glue to spoilboard
[20:54:47] <Polymorphism> or some other way
[20:55:17] <Polymorphism> so shaepoko can cut al accurate to at least .005"
[20:55:21] <Polymorphism> is that right?
[20:59:29] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:22:24] <Lowridah> Polymorphism: maybe.... there aren't enough people documenting their success. i haven't mic'd anything i've cut so far
[21:28:54] <CaptHindsight> https://www.isel.com/germany/de_en/flachbetteinheiten.html
[21:29:58] <CaptHindsight> https://www.isel.com/germany/de_en/flatcom-serie-m.html
[21:30:06] <malcom2073> My dad has one of their older davinchi machines... it's pretty damn nice
[21:30:40] <Lowridah> and it still davinches?
[21:30:40] <CaptHindsight> https://www.isel.com/germany/de_en/overhead.html
[21:31:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.techno-isel.com/tic/Gantries.htm
[21:32:36] <CaptHindsight> https://www.aerotech.com/product-catalog/gantries.aspx
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[21:36:43] <sabrex> the shapeoko isn't very rigid. .005 would just be stepper/screw positional accuracy. it doesnt take into account the large amount of flex you'll get when milling aluminum
[21:38:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.macrondynamics.com/linear-robot/mgs-14h
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[21:41:39] <MrSunshine_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9kfd8d8S48 yey got the "X1" up and running again after the gears got trashed in the original gearbox =) and i know that one insert isnt sitting right :P
[21:43:09] <malcom2073> MrSunshine_: Nice, and yeah I recognize that insert sound :-D
[21:43:32] <MrSunshine_> the little X1 has become quite the beast with my modifications =)
[21:43:40] <malcom2073> Damn that spindle is quiet
[21:43:57] <MrSunshine_> only running at 17hz there
[21:44:16] <malcom2073> I have a varidrive, so I'm constantly amazed how quiet spindles are in comparison heh
[21:45:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/benchtop-pro-cnc-machine-kit-p-314.html
[21:45:39] <gregcnc> if you can't beat em join em?
[21:46:11] <CaptHindsight> I'm tired of seeing links to krappy routers
[21:46:37] <CaptHindsight> the same junk
[21:47:42] <CaptHindsight> http://romaxxcncrouters.com/store#!/Romaxx-CNC-Router-Special-Packages/c/2363054/offset=0&sort=normal
[21:48:14] <CaptHindsight> why come they can't take his money?
[21:49:14] <CaptHindsight> http://xyzgantry.com/xyzgantry/xyzgantry.aspx
[21:49:15] <gregcnc> indecision
[21:49:40] <CaptHindsight> he can't afford anything good
[21:50:01] <CaptHindsight> it's just choosing the best of the lesser
[21:50:33] <gregcnc> right
[21:51:24] <CaptHindsight> they are all poorly constructed, it doesn't matter which one, there will be problems with it
[21:51:40] <CaptHindsight> you have to know how to fix it
[21:51:57] <sabrex> the shopbot v bearings are questionable
[21:52:21] <CaptHindsight> it's like discussing how to swim without ever jumping in the water
[21:52:25] <gregcnc> quality, rigidity, accuracy, cost moeny
[21:53:05] <CaptHindsight> and all you have are 2ft deep wading pools to choose from
[21:53:08] <gregcnc> money even. and if he actaully suffers through one of those machines and makes a decent product and figures out how to really machine it will be replaced ASAP.
[21:53:21] <CaptHindsight> exactly
[21:53:35] <sabrex> all spacecraft engineering is done by people who have never gone to space
[21:53:47] <gregcnc> even diehard Tormach guys joke about tormachs after they are succesful and move to even 20 YO robodrills
[21:55:12] <gregcnc> space engineering costs how much and how many iterations and failures?
[21:55:19] <CaptHindsight> is that like executing people without ever killing yourself first?
[21:56:32] <CaptHindsight> oh I know, or how cows never make ice cream
[21:56:35] <gregcnc> I appreciate the idea of what he's doing. i built a crappy mill, based on good slides and a crappy spindle
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[21:56:52] <gregcnc> But I wasn't trying to make moeny at the time
[21:57:32] <gregcnc> today, it's obvious that time and money would have been much better spent on a real machine
[21:57:43] <sabrex> good mills are expensive. might as well be talking about spacecraft expensive when looking at a real mill
[21:57:48] <gregcnc> or a jobshop
[21:58:13] <CaptHindsight> where can you find a cheap spacecraft?
[21:58:22] <sabrex> india
[21:58:28] <gregcnc> DIY space craft
[21:58:29] <CaptHindsight> Soviet Surplus Store?
[21:58:46] <gregcnc> just amke sure you get it right the first time
[21:58:47] <CaptHindsight> India makes cheap sandals
[21:58:57] <CaptHindsight> and rugs
[21:59:13] <CaptHindsight> and dysentery
[21:59:14] <sabrex> they also make cheap lunar probes
[21:59:23] <sabrex> 90 million
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[21:59:48] <CaptHindsight> they have been making dysentery for much longer, why I trust them
[22:00:22] <sabrex> cuz you cant afford the money to get a real disease
[22:00:41] <CaptHindsight> now If they made cheap cows that made ice cream I'd be impressed
[22:01:15] <gregcnc> there is little demand for cows so i suspect cows are cheap
[22:02:15] <CaptHindsight> most cows are pretty laid back
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[22:05:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.fisnar.com/products/assembly-line-robots/f9000n-series
[22:05:53] <CaptHindsight> these can even solder http://www.fisnar.com/products/soldering-robotics
[22:07:54] <CaptHindsight> http://machinedesign.com/motion-control/five-heavy-duty-gantry-alternatives
[22:07:59] <sabrex> is it cheaper than a minimum wage worker though?
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[22:09:36] <CaptHindsight> cheaper meaning lower cost per unit time or selfish bastard?
[22:10:40] <sabrex> the first one
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[22:16:39] <gregcnc> www.ebay.com/itm/111944561354
[22:18:38] <sabrex> wow
[22:18:53] <sabrex> that thing could be in the backgroud of the original star trek
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[22:25:02] <CaptHindsight> 1.3 Magnetic Tape Cassette Unit The cassette unit is designed to accept standard Compact Cassettes C60. Use cassettes marked "SM" (for security mechanism), e.g. BASF Ferro Super LH (SM). The
[22:25:02] <CaptHindsight> writing or reading time is approx. 15 sec for 1000 data blocks. Insert cassettes with full spool
[22:25:02] <CaptHindsight> towards the rear of the machine to avoid time consuming rewinding processes.
[22:25:42] <CaptHindsight> i can almost smell the quality from here
[22:25:46] <sabrex> is the casette unit for mp3s?
[22:26:29] <sabrex> where can i buy a usb stick to casette adapter
[22:26:46] <_methods> aliexpress
[22:26:47] <_methods> lol
[22:34:26] <jdh> $2.87 shipped
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[22:52:35] <andypugh> If you want a gantry machine, how about this one? http://www.archivist.info/cnc/Travelling_Gantry_Machine.pdf
[22:54:28] <sabrex> the rails seem thin
[22:54:47] <andypugh> They do. But I am sure that the designer knew what he was doing.
[22:55:01] <andypugh> Maybe they just don’t come any bigger?
[22:57:05] <toastydeath> fuck yeah gantries
[22:57:34] <toastydeath> remember that the rigity of the machine comes from the spacing of the rails, not the size of the rail
[22:57:54] <toastydeath> the rail only has to be big enough to absorb any shock loading and not brinell
[23:00:36] <toastydeath> big machines with big ways tend to be hydrostatic, and they're that large for a bunch of unrelated reasons
[23:03:05] <andypugh> toastydeath: Did you look at the link? That is a big machine.
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[23:05:39] <os1r1s> andypugh I need to only watch for a fault signal when the servo's are enabled. Can you think of a good way to do this other than ladder logic?
[23:06:03] <andypugh> Perhaps just use an AND2?
[23:06:25] <os1r1s> andypugh Hmm, I'll have to look that up
[23:07:07] <andypugh> Or,if you want (enable AND X) OR (enable AND Y ) OR (enable AND Z) then I would use the LUT5 component.
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[23:07:56] <andypugh> LUT5 lets you define a boolean output for every combination of 5 inputs.
[23:08:20] <toastydeath> andypugh, i did
[23:08:26] <toastydeath> but it does not have hydrostatic ways
[23:08:42] <toastydeath> if they're not hydrostatic, they don't need to be that big from a pure bearing load standpoint
[23:08:43] <os1r1s> andypugh Ok. I'll have to figure that one out. Do you happen to know if there is a good example lying around for and2 or lut5?
[23:09:08] <andypugh> toastydeath Ah, right, I was misundertanding your point then.
[23:10:35] <andypugh> os1r1s: AND2 is pretty basic. LUT5 is somethign that either makes sense immediately or never. Depending on if you “get” binary.
[23:11:08] <os1r1s> andypugh Got it. Thanks for the point in the right direction
[23:11:43] <andypugh> I made a Google spreadsheet to figure out the parameter for LUT5
[23:12:04] <__rob2> http://www.tormach.com/uploads/18/TD10104_PCNC770_CertInspect_0615A-pdf.html
[23:12:09] <__rob2> for G5 on there..
[23:12:16] <andypugh> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_VlL39jUOPpS8Tt9mpRK-eaSTS6C6PHBDoE3JitvLzs/edit#gid=0
[23:12:26] <__rob2> a: 0.035/150
[23:12:34] <__rob2> is that 0.035mm per 150mm
[23:13:05] <andypugh> Yes
[23:13:28] <__rob2> right
[23:13:41] <PCW> os1r1s: motion already has a fault input: axis.N.amp-fault-in
[23:13:48] <__rob2> well bought some 246 blocks now to check all these params
[23:14:08] <os1r1s> PCW The challenge I'm having is that the fault signal blips briefly when enabling the axis
[23:14:20] <os1r1s> So it is very reliable once enabled.
[23:14:30] <os1r1s> But the signal is unreliable when they are not.
[23:14:47] <PCW> ahh maybe it should be debounced
[23:15:57] <os1r1s> PCW Seems wierd to use that for an electrical signal, but I guess it could work
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[23:17:36] <PCW> i guess you could mask the fault with a delayed copy of axis.N.amp-enable-out
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[23:18:14] <andypugh> os1r1s: What else would you use it for?
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[23:18:22] <os1r1s> andypugh Debounce?
[23:18:27] <andypugh> Yes
[23:18:42] <os1r1s> andypugh It makes sense to use it for a noisy mechanical switch
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[23:18:53] <PCW> so there would be no delay on fault detection after initial enable delay
[23:19:23] <os1r1s> PCW I have no idea how to do that :)
[23:19:27] <PCW> its called debounce but its a general purpose digital filter
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[23:19:59] <andypugh> It is intended for use on any noisy signal. In my day-job we debounce nearly every signal into the module.
[23:20:24] <os1r1s> andypugh Even transistor based signals?
[23:21:20] <andypugh> Yes. Any signal coming in from outside is likely to have some noise content.
[23:21:32] <gregcnc> what the heck is this?www.ebay.com/itm/291591002912
[23:22:23] <gregcnc> former grinder?
[23:23:12] <andypugh> It looks a bit like a ginder, but I think it was always a lathe.
[23:27:32] <rob_h> id agree with andy looks like it was a cylindrical grinding all the base casting points to it , as all the bed adjuster is there etc
[23:28:23] <andypugh> Interesting that the machine behind has “NASA” on it
[23:28:43] <zeeshan> looks fancy greg
[23:28:53] <rob_h> looks like someone had alot of blue paint to use
[23:29:50] <andypugh> I have changed my mind. It probably was a grinder, the coolant drains shout “grinder”
[23:30:39] <toastydeath> lol that's a cinci OD grinder someone stuck a lathe headstock, turret, and tailstock on
[23:31:04] <toastydeath> neat little grinders, when they're uh. set up as grinders.
[23:32:08] <andypugh> It seems such an odd thing to do that I think there must have been a reason.
[23:32:27] <toastydeath> change of opinion: that's still the OD grinder headstock
[23:32:48] <andypugh> http://www.mcspt.com/shop/media/r.jpg
[23:32:53] <toastydeath> if i had to guess it was probably for purposes of accuracy and surface finish
[23:33:06] <zeeshan> whats going on in the background
[23:33:23] <zeeshan> that mill is massive
[23:33:50] <toastydeath> it's probably a way grinder
[23:34:03] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/X6saDGV.png
[23:34:09] <zeeshan> andypugh: i want to pick your brain
[23:34:23] <zeeshan> why would the material start decreasing strain around 170s
[23:34:30] <zeeshan> when im decreasing pressure at 200s?
[23:34:31] <zeeshan> wtf!
[23:35:13] <Sync> because trolling
[23:35:13] <andypugh> Is it a psychic material?
[23:36:25] <toastydeath> creep?
[23:36:31] <toastydeath> what material is it
[23:36:40] <andypugh> Is it possibly filter delays on the measurments?
[23:36:56] <Sync> or 30s?
[23:36:59] <Sync> ~of
[23:37:27] <andypugh> What do you get if you increase the pressure then hold?
[23:37:59] <zeeshan> i have a result for that
[23:37:59] <zeeshan> sec
[23:38:00] <gregcnc> was this in the background? http://www.ebay.com/itm/48-GIDDINGS-AND-LEWIS-VERTICAL-LATHE-/291224663420
[23:38:02] <andypugh> (or increase to half the value and release?)
[23:38:13] <toastydeath> gregcnc, yeah, i guess that's it
[23:38:17] <Sync> andypugh: do you know how much water pressure I need to supply into an xrd tube housing?
[23:38:38] <Sync> kinda wondering, as the philips one I have has no orings where the slit is at
[23:39:52] <andypugh> No idea. But I would imagine very little. It needs a flow, not a pressure, I would think?
[23:40:16] <Sync> yeah it looks like the water is just splashing in there
[23:42:16] <zeeshan> andypugh: http://i.imgur.com/bYwRKqL.png
[23:42:54] <toastydeath> totally creep.
[23:42:57] <zeeshan> they pretty much match here
[23:43:04] <zeeshan> the unload point in pressure and strain
[23:43:23] <toastydeath> is this stainless?
[23:43:25] <zeeshan> toastydeath: the material creeps
[23:43:54] <zeeshan> toastydeath: stainless wouldnt be going back to 0 strain from 0.25 strain
[23:43:55] <zeeshan> :P
[23:44:13] <zeeshan> its a shape memory polymer
[23:44:16] <toastydeath> hahaha, sry, was just looking at the curve and not the numbers
[23:44:37] <zeeshan> trying to figure out how the mateirial knows im about to unload
[23:44:38] <zeeshan> =/
[23:45:29] <toastydeath> #thatswhatshesaid
[23:45:36] <zeeshan> lol
[23:47:31] <andypugh> The ones that run to 12psi seem to show something of an inflection. But I don’t see two traces for exactly the same material doing both types of test
[23:48:14] <zeeshan> traces of what
[23:48:36] <andypugh> (graphs, plots)
[23:49:20] <andypugh> Eek! Inventor home-use license has expired
[23:49:40] <zeeshan> time to bust out the illegal
[23:49:41] <zeeshan> :)
[23:50:09] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/PfNwqPj.png
[23:50:11] <zeeshan> heres some aluminum
[23:50:18] <zeeshan> looks pretty repeatable to me
[23:50:22] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/tGvrpoI.png
[23:50:25] <zeeshan> heres another type of polymer
[23:50:46] <zeeshan> this one shows the same bullshit
[23:50:57] <zeeshan> i unload around 450 s
[23:51:09] <zeeshan> but the cyan curve knows before hand im unloading
[23:51:09] <zeeshan> =/
[23:51:28] <zeeshan> i am using a filter on my pressure stuff
[23:53:13] <zeeshan> andypugh: pressVoltF += (pressVolt-pressVoltF)*gain; //use a low pass filter on pressure voltage press = (12.5*pressVolt)-6.25; //calibrate according to P=12.5V-6.25
[23:53:27] <zeeshan> ^ is there a problem with that?
[23:53:43] <zeeshan> i pretty much copied the debounce component :P
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[23:58:13] <andypugh> Seems resonable, but you need to figure out what phase lag it causes. But looking at how sharp the corner is, it can’t be much.
[23:58:53] <zeeshan> the filter causes?
[23:59:13] <zeeshan> this crap has been driving me insane
[23:59:15] <zeeshan> for the last 6 months
[23:59:16] <zeeshan> =/