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[00:00:03] <Polylaptopism> 1/2" al?
[00:00:11] <Polylaptopism> OH I see
[00:00:13] <Polylaptopism> the top piece
[00:00:15] <Polylaptopism> I just noticed
[00:00:21] <malcom2073> Looks like 1/4 something
[00:01:09] <Polylaptopism> yeah it took me looking at it a few times
[00:01:13] <Polylaptopism> hes trying to show the accuracy I think
[00:01:18] <Polylaptopism> I realized the top is two pieces
[00:01:21] <malcom2073> cut quality, not accuracy
[00:01:55] <Polylaptopism> i see
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[00:05:27] <pink_vampire> also aluminum is VERY easy to cut.
[00:06:07] <djdelorie> unless your machine is made of plywood :-)
[00:06:42] <pink_vampire> even with plywood machine.
[00:07:40] <Polylaptopism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oR_Sy1CpFw
[00:07:43] <Polylaptopism> can I expect results like this?
[00:08:01] <malcom2073> You could get results like that from the 6040, or even less
[00:09:22] <pink_vampire> but not from G0704
[00:09:36] <malcom2073> If you strap a high speed spindle on, you could :P
[00:09:46] <Polylaptopism> I hope I'm not making a mistake if I get the xzero machine...
[00:09:56] <Polylaptopism> what if the 6040 is all I need
[00:10:03] <Polylaptopism> and I have 1200 left for tools bits vice etc
[00:10:05] <Polylaptopism> stock
[00:10:39] <djdelorie> no matter what machine you get, you will eventually use it to its limits
[00:11:03] <Polylaptopism> the alternative though, what if the 6040 leaves me wanting more and I regret not getting the nicer machine
[00:11:12] <Polylaptopism> its also a tradeoff, smaller workspace for more quality
[00:11:17] <Polylaptopism> the raptor is 12.5x30"
[00:11:20] <Polylaptopism> x5.5"
[00:12:19] <Polylaptopism> 22.83x 15.7x 2.7" on the 6040
[00:13:02] <djdelorie> you mean bigger workspace for more quality then...
[00:13:18] <Polylaptopism> yes.
[00:13:37] <djdelorie> I would go with the one with more workspace and more quality, no brainer
[00:13:45] <Polylaptopism> one has more quality, one has more workspace
[00:13:50] <Polylaptopism> more workspace one costs less
[00:13:59] <Polylaptopism> this is tricky
[00:14:04] <djdelorie> the raptor has more Y and more Z, and only a little less X. Raptor wins
[00:14:05] <Polylaptopism> I know I dont want the big cast iron machine
[00:14:22] <Polylaptopism> hm,
[00:14:25] <Polylaptopism> that is true
[00:14:33] <Polylaptopism> the raptor also seems more suited to making real parts
[00:14:35] <Polylaptopism> for machines
[00:14:40] <Polylaptopism> which I would like to do down the road
[00:14:47] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: few inches make huge difference
[00:14:56] <Polylaptopism> pink_vampire, in z?
[00:15:05] <pink_vampire> yes !
[00:15:10] <malcom2073> Heyyohh
[00:15:21] <djdelorie> three more inches leaves room for a vacuum table, for example
[00:15:36] <Polylaptopism> oh;... didnt even think of that
[00:15:40] <Polylaptopism> he said it was...
[00:15:43] <Polylaptopism> 4.3" I think
[00:15:43] <malcom2073> And a vacuum table would be greatly beneficial for doing sheet metal work
[00:15:47] <Polylaptopism> z part clearance
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[00:16:14] <Polylaptopism> the 6040 is.... let me look
[00:16:45] <Polylaptopism> 3.9" max thickness
[00:16:48] <Polylaptopism> comparable z clearance
[00:16:57] <Polylaptopism> but much more z travel on the raptor
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[00:17:20] <pink_vampire> but you can lift the brigde on the 6040 for 1" and put the vacuum table
[00:17:30] <sabrex> the omiocnc 6040 has more z-travel than normal ones
[00:17:56] <sabrex> http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/
[00:18:10] <Polylaptopism> I saw that
[00:18:14] <Polylaptopism> the x6-2200l
[00:18:18] <Polylaptopism> that is $2500 shipped
[00:18:21] <Polylaptopism> so same price as the raptor
[00:18:25] <Polylaptopism> so yes, if you know about the x6
[00:18:29] <Polylaptopism> thats really the choice vs raptor
[00:18:33] <Polylaptopism> or, save money get generic 6040
[00:18:38] <Polylaptopism> this is my ultimate choice now
[00:18:42] <Polylaptopism> its destroying my psyche
[00:19:03] <djdelorie> buy them both and decide which is better later :-)
[00:19:09] <Polylaptopism> lol
[00:19:23] <Polylaptopism> I need to save money for rigol oscilloscope etc
[00:19:31] <pink_vampire> the one that you don't want give me.
[00:19:32] <sabrex> what does the raptor cost?
[00:19:38] <pink_vampire> paint in pink!
[00:20:01] <Polylaptopism> sabrex, equipped as I like it will be $2500 total shipped once I purchase spindle wiring etc
[00:20:13] <sabrex> ive heard the generic 6040s are all garbage
[00:20:17] <Polylaptopism> so exactly the same as x6-2200l
[00:20:32] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12316446_954259671330512_4302914621658281402_n.jpg?oh=c6ecb4885b08e86616f5f7982b864642&oe=5792A4C2
[00:20:36] <Polylaptopism> those are cuts from the raptor
[00:21:52] <Polylaptopism> so the raptor is ... 12.5x30x5.5"
[00:21:54] <Polylaptopism> work area
[00:22:15] <Polylaptopism> vs 22.83x 15.7x 5.5" on the x6
[00:22:15] <pink_vampire> ask him to cut high and narrow part from hot rolled steel
[00:22:24] <Polylaptopism> (2;.7" Z ON THE 6040)
[00:22:46] <Polylaptopism> plus whatever quality differences there may be
[00:22:49] <pink_vampire> then ask him to measure the top and bottom
[00:22:49] <Polylaptopism> between the two machines
[00:22:52] <Polylaptopism> he says alu is no problem
[00:22:56] <Polylaptopism> even steel it can handle he says
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[00:23:50] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24hHwV6SejI
[00:24:01] <sabrex> do you have a link to the raptor at that price? the site is pretty hard to navigate
[00:24:02] <malcom2073> I've seen people cut steel on quite a lot of things that they really shouldn't be
[00:24:28] <Polylaptopism> sabrex, talk to george if youre interested
[00:24:35] <Polylaptopism> the new site will be up soon
[00:24:37] <Polylaptopism> with new models
[00:24:41] <Polylaptopism> thaty site isnt even accurate I found
[00:24:50] <Polylaptopism> we spoke for 30 minutes
[00:24:55] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: look at the cnc at the video
[00:24:58] <Polylaptopism> he sounds like an honest guy
[00:25:04] <Polylaptopism> lol pink_vampire
[00:25:09] <Polylaptopism> is that what you suggest I do
[00:25:44] <pink_vampire> no. you can use xacto knife
[00:25:51] <Polylaptopism> lolll
[00:26:48] <pink_vampire> just make a wire edm machine
[00:26:48] <djdelorie> xacto knife and a hammer, that is
[00:26:53] <Polylaptopism> hahaha
[00:26:58] <Polylaptopism> I was thinking I wanted wire EDM
[00:27:04] <Polylaptopism> I was watching last night
[00:27:17] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: start with sinker.
[00:28:20] <Polylaptopism> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14769&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[00:28:22] <Polylaptopism> this was done with 6040
[00:28:32] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: do you know that with aluminum you can etch the panel with acid like pcb.
[00:28:43] <Polylaptopism> I dont want to do that
[00:29:17] <djdelorie> I have done that, it's messy and leaves ragged edges if you etch too deep
[00:30:42] <sabrex> i am sitting next to a 2200L on my desk if there is anything you want to know about it
[00:30:43] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: go to hacker space.
[00:30:48] <pink_vampire> free cnc.
[00:31:40] <malcom2073> hackerspaces are great for that
[00:31:42] <Polylaptopism> sabrex, I want to know how it compares to the raptor, how it compares to the 6040s on ebay
[00:32:00] <sabrex> i dont know much about the raptor, but it is far superior to the 6040s on ebay
[00:32:13] <Polylaptopism> sabrex, I want to know how it works for engraving and cutting custom small batch electronic project enclosures like 2-4mm thick extruded aluminum enclosures
[00:32:20] <sabrex> the ones on ebay usually use round rail and are much less rigid
[00:32:29] <sabrex> and their electronics are usually garbage and most people end up replacing them
[00:32:35] <sabrex> the 2200L works out of the box just fine
[00:32:46] <Polylaptopism> excellent, that was something I was wondering
[00:33:03] <sabrex> it does anything with aluminum just fine
[00:33:26] <Polylaptopism> I'm about to spend 2375 + spindle + vfd (200) + wiring
[00:33:31] <Polylaptopism> on a raptor
[00:33:39] <Polylaptopism> 12.5x30x5.5" work area
[00:33:39] <sabrex> the 6040s on ebay vary alot, some of them use leadscrews instead of ball screws
[00:33:46] <sabrex> the 2200L has ballscrews on all axes
[00:34:03] <Polylaptopism> does it have round or flat rail on x and z?
[00:34:03] <sabrex> the raptor seems like its pretty good from what i see on the zxero site currently
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[00:34:28] <Polylaptopism> 2600 total for the raptor + spindle
[00:34:30] <sabrex> the 2200L hiwin rectangular linear rail on all axes
[00:34:37] <Polylaptopism> wow ok
[00:34:51] <Polylaptopism> wait ... so
[00:34:53] <Polylaptopism> what youre saying is
[00:35:01] <Polylaptopism> my choice is reallyt between raptor or 2600l
[00:35:12] <Polylaptopism> 6040 is not as good as 2200l at all?
[00:35:19] <sabrex> yeah i wouldnt even consider a ebay 6040
[00:35:26] <Polylaptopism> that helps a lot.
[00:35:35] <Polylaptopism> I want to buy my 2nd machine 1st
[00:35:35] <sabrex> the 2200L is technically a high end 6040
[00:35:37] <Polylaptopism> so that really helps
[00:35:49] <sabrex> with the best of any component you can get for a 6040
[00:35:58] <Polylaptopism> and a controller working out of the box
[00:36:01] <Polylaptopism> is it usb only?
[00:36:06] <sabrex> yeah its usb only
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[00:37:49] <Polylaptopism> ok
[00:38:33] <Polylaptopism> what kind of work have you done with the machine? my decision seems to now be between the larger work area of the x6 or the possible higher quality of the x6 and its finished cuts//pieces
[00:38:43] <Polylaptopism> they would cost me the same
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[00:39:18] <CaptHindsight> huh, that X6-2200 looks like an ebay 6040
[00:39:24] <Polylaptopism> its not
[00:39:35] <sabrex> i actually just got it about a month and a half ago so i havent done alot. i've cut some wood and some stuff out of aluminum plate
[00:39:54] <sabrex> yes the 2200L is really just a very high end 6040
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[00:40:31] <CaptHindsight> why come they didn't make the gantry stronger and stiffer?
[00:41:11] <sabrex> its generally the same shape but i think the gantry is actually thicker and shaped differently than most 6040s
[00:41:42] <sabrex> the next thing im going to make is probably a replica of rey's blaster from star wars in aluminum
[00:41:47] <Polylaptopism> http://www.bobsavage.net/otherjunk/lollygagger/lollygagger-wood-enclosures-2.jpg
[00:41:50] <Polylaptopism> could I even make those?
[00:41:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.omiocnc.com/media/wysiwyg/products/x6-2200usb/2-x62200machine.jpg the vertical thingies on the gantry look pretty flimsy
[00:41:59] <Polylaptopism> they wouldnt clear the z to mil the side holes would they
[00:42:15] <Polylaptopism> the side plates?
[00:42:17] <Polylaptopism> CaptHindsight,
[00:42:32] <sabrex> how tall are those?
[00:42:40] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: 1/2" aluminum is flimsy?
[00:42:43] <Polylaptopism> I'm not sure
[00:42:47] <Polylaptopism> probably 3.5" tall
[00:43:27] <sabrex> yeah you can make those fine
[00:43:41] <sabrex> there is enough z travel
[00:43:43] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: an 80mm canon shell would hardly even slow down going through it
[00:44:02] <sabrex> one thing to know is to get the full z travel you have to take off the dust cover on the z-axis
[00:44:12] <sabrex> but i think you dont need to for 3.5"
[00:44:19] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: You gonna shoot it or mill something with it?
[00:44:33] <sabrex> it goes up to like 5.5" if you take off the dust cover
[00:44:37] <Polylaptopism> sabrex, how would I get thiose side holes
[00:44:41] <Polylaptopism> its probably wider than 5.5"
[00:44:46] <Polylaptopism> I would have to use a drill press?
[00:44:48] <sabrex> oh i didnt see those
[00:44:49] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: how much does it twist when you pull on the gantry?
[00:44:50] <Polylaptopism> or make the box out of multiple pieces
[00:45:04] <Polylaptopism> what if I wanted custokm cuts on that side, not simple holes
[00:45:12] <Polylaptopism> just trying to learn how the machine will work for me
[00:45:20] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: it's a router, not a mill
[00:45:31] <CaptHindsight> so
[00:45:36] <sabrex> the clearance under the gantry is actually about 6 1/4 inches
[00:45:40] <sabrex> i just measured
[00:45:46] <CaptHindsight> it's not a carrot peeler either
[00:45:57] <sabrex> so you can move the spindle up on the spindle holder
[00:46:02] * Jymmm hands CaptHindsight his reality hat.
[00:46:16] <Polylaptopism> sabrex,
[00:46:20] <sabrex> it has no give at all when i push or pull it
[00:46:22] <Polylaptopism> do yuo think that thing could carve a guitar body
[00:46:26] <CaptHindsight> nice toy for jym
[00:46:35] <sabrex> i can probably lift the thing by the spindle and it feels rigid
[00:46:44] <sabrex> if your coming from a vmc yeah this thing is a toy
[00:46:52] <Polylaptopism> http://www.omiocnc.com/media/wysiwyg/products/x6-2200usb/3-x6dimension-2.jpg
[00:46:57] <sabrex> but you dont need a mori seiki for everything
[00:46:59] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: similar testing methodologies are done when producing cars
[00:47:13] <sabrex> how big is a guitar body?
[00:47:17] <Polylaptopism> 5.5" max clearance it seems to claim
[00:47:21] <Polylaptopism> it would fit
[00:47:29] <Polylaptopism> I just wonder if hte machine has the accuracy, power, etc
[00:47:31] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: as with carrot peelers?
[00:47:40] <Polylaptopism> for hardwood 3d carve
[00:48:23] <tiwake> demolishing it though various means to make sure its sturdy and functional
[00:48:26] <Polylaptopism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5tOYWfhuyM&t=3m25s
[00:48:36] <sabrex> oh whoops i didnt measure under the z-axis carrier just the gantry, the site is right at about 5.5", closer to 5.75 though
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[00:48:59] <sabrex> it can probably do anything wood easily
[00:49:14] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: as in, I like your 80mm cannon test
[00:49:16] <CaptHindsight> why don't they make the gantry out of steel?
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[00:49:26] <CaptHindsight> to save on shipping?
[00:50:22] <Polylaptopism> shit.
[00:50:23] <Jymmm> the frame is alum, why make the gantry steel?
[00:50:23] <sabrex> probably, shipping was like 400$
[00:50:26] <Polylaptopism> I really don't know which to go with here
[00:50:45] <Polylaptopism> the raptor is possibly a superior build quality?
[00:50:48] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: galvanic action?
[00:51:00] <Polylaptopism> electronics motors same but different controller
[00:51:06] <Polylaptopism> would the x6 be good enough though?
[00:51:13] <sabrex> is there any up to date info on the raptor i could look at?
[00:51:14] <Polylaptopism> THE Larger work area would be nice to have
[00:51:24] <Polylaptopism> I can answer a lot of questions about it
[00:51:26] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: copied everyone else?
[00:51:27] <Polylaptopism> not much good info out
[00:51:29] <Polylaptopism> there are pictures
[00:51:32] <Polylaptopism> if you hjavbe facebook
[00:51:34] <Polylaptopism> they have a page
[00:51:42] <Polylaptopism> its odd you have to log in to see it
[00:51:48] <Polylaptopism> he sells by word of mouth
[00:51:53] <Polylaptopism> the frame is made in canada
[00:51:57] <Polylaptopism> from canada + us materials
[00:52:01] <Polylaptopism> the rails imported
[00:52:06] <Polylaptopism> electronics direcvt from manufactr
[00:52:14] <sabrex> zxero cnc routers on facebook?
[00:52:17] <Polylaptopism> yes
[00:52:23] <Polylaptopism> under photos
[00:52:26] <Polylaptopism> some are older
[00:52:26] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: doubtful, as the rails on mine are steel
[00:52:32] <Polylaptopism> look for hte pics with the linear flat rails
[00:52:36] <CaptHindsight> ha hah doesn't rust in the shower
[00:52:54] <Jymmm> just in the shop
[00:53:13] <Jymmm> lots o grease to the rescue
[00:53:32] <sabrex> is it the raptor HD?
[00:54:22] <sabrex> im logged in and can see their page, i can probably access a link if you give me one
[00:56:16] <Polylaptopism> I think it is
[00:56:24] <Polylaptopism> I dont have a link sadly
[00:56:29] <Polylaptopism> he says all the machines are built the same
[00:56:32] <Polylaptopism> just different size basically
[00:56:37] <Polylaptopism> so if its a new picture
[00:56:39] <Polylaptopism> from last year or so
[00:56:47] <Polylaptopism> its probably represents the raptor mini I'm looking at
[00:56:49] <Polylaptopism> -s
[00:57:45] <sabrex> the frame looks pretty comparable to the 2200l
[00:58:00] <sabrex> what kind of spindle?
[00:58:27] <Polylaptopism> no splindle, its 2000 for the machine then I add spindle
[00:58:36] <Polylaptopism> 12.5"x30x5.5" work area
[00:58:47] <Polylaptopism> that includes DSP 3660 driver and 3 motors and 48v supply
[00:58:51] <Polylaptopism> and limit switches
[00:58:53] <sabrex> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12642842_986917064731439_8845541748404309811_n.jpg?oh=5c6a6cfa5ac09e2cb4c5bff2a599eb53&oe=57881314
[00:58:58] <Polylaptopism> I wire and purchase spindle and vfd
[00:58:59] <sabrex> is it that one?
[00:59:01] <Polylaptopism> total cost 2500 shipped
[00:59:04] <Polylaptopism> so same as x6 would cost me
[00:59:16] <Polylaptopism> also same as 6090 but I hjabve no room for it
[00:59:26] <Polylaptopism> yes
[00:59:28] <Polylaptopism> its a lot like that
[00:59:34] <Polylaptopism> just a it smaller
[00:59:38] <Polylaptopism> so it would be stronger I guess
[01:00:28] <Polylaptopism> its 1750 + spimdle mount 80mm + upgrade for screws + motor kit
[01:00:33] <Polylaptopism> 2375 shipped actual quote
[01:00:34] <Polylaptopism> usd
[01:00:50] <Polylaptopism> then 1.5kw spindle 200 shipped china ebay
[01:00:57] <Polylaptopism> so about 2500 or so total
[01:01:09] <Polylaptopism> and x6 would cost me 2500 shipped
[01:01:22] <Polylaptopism> and 6090 would cost me 2600 or so but its cast iron and way too big and I shouldnt be tempted
[01:01:30] <Polylaptopism> so I need to pick, raptor vs x6...
[01:01:32] <Polylaptopism> larer work area
[01:01:43] <Polylaptopism> and do I get more quality with the raptor? to trade for smaller work area
[01:01:45] <Polylaptopism> price is the same
[01:02:02] <Polylaptopism> he says its less than .001 accurate
[01:02:18] <Polylaptopism> cant remember exactly what he said
[01:02:34] <Polylaptopism> more accurate than .001 I mean to say
[01:02:40] <sabrex> they seem quite comparable, tough decision
[01:02:44] <Polylaptopism> yeah....
[01:02:48] <tiwake> what is the backlash?
[01:02:53] <Polylaptopism> I'm not sure
[01:03:05] <Polylaptopism> http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[01:03:07] <Polylaptopism> upper right specs
[01:03:10] <tiwake> thats the important question.
[01:03:45] <Polylaptopism> tiwake,
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12316446_954259671330512_4302914621658281402_n.jpg?oh=c6ecb4885b08e86616f5f7982b864642&oe=5792A4C2
[01:03:48] <Polylaptopism> cut with the raptor
[01:03:54] <Polylaptopism> not sure wha it means to someone who knows machining
[01:03:56] <Polylaptopism> to me it looks nice
[01:04:02] <Polylaptopism> not sure how x6 compares
[01:04:09] <sabrex> the x6 does similar
[01:04:21] <Polylaptopism> if the x6 is hte same quality
[01:04:26] <Polylaptopism> and can make pcbs that look just as nice
[01:04:26] <sabrex> but you could probably do that with just about any machine if you go slow enough
[01:04:36] <Polylaptopism> and engrave and cut thin al and it looks just as nice...
[01:05:03] <sabrex> dunno if youve seen these yet but there are some 2200L videos on youtube
[01:05:04] <sabrex> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuPGXadddwpqxi9xoZdnz1g
[01:05:06] <Polylaptopism> http://www.8020cnc.com/images/alu_engrave1_large.jpg
[01:05:14] <Polylaptopism> I probably have I'll check
[01:05:16] <Polylaptopism> these pics
[01:05:19] <Polylaptopism> are what I want to do
[01:05:24] <Polylaptopism> http://artfab.art.cmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dscn6119.jpg
[01:05:28] <Polylaptopism> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pk0AAOSwHgVW77ne/s-l300.jpg
[01:05:44] <Polylaptopism> http://s38.photobucket.com/user/suggy44/media/big_muff_front.jpg.html
[01:05:48] <Polylaptopism> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Kfiw_mT6bvQ/maxresdefault.jpg
[01:06:04] <Polylaptopism> http://www.bobsavage.net/otherjunk/lollygagger/lollygagger-wood-enclosures-4.jpg
[01:06:06] <sabrex> what are the workspace specs on the raptor again?
[01:06:13] <Polylaptopism> 12.5"x30x"5.5"
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[01:06:31] <sabrex> is that the bed size or the actual working area?
[01:06:35] <Polylaptopism> working area
[01:06:49] <Polylaptopism> bedsize is 18x35
[01:07:05] <Polylaptopism> 16I mean
[01:07:08] <Polylaptopism> I think
[01:07:35] <Polylaptopism> frame is made in canada which means somthing I guess.. but not if price is the same and the quality I can make is the same and work area is a lot smaller
[01:07:40] <Polylaptopism> but if the quality is better. it might be worht it
[01:08:05] <Polylaptopism> so I guess I need to know if the x6-2200l will acheive the pictures I linked as well as the raptor could
[01:08:12] <Polylaptopism> I couldnt do the guitar on raptor, too small
[01:08:23] <Polylaptopism> but its not a primary use, the aluminum panel cutting is, and the engraving
[01:08:29] <Polylaptopism> and the wood enclosures
[01:08:46] <Polylaptopism> specifically complecx cuts in 2-4mm alumium and like the pic of hte extruded box
[01:08:51] <Polylaptopism> I want to fix the box on the bed and mill the top out
[01:08:55] <Polylaptopism> for lcd
[01:09:06] <Polylaptopism> small batch and one off custom electronic products
[01:09:08] <Polylaptopism> and also prototyping
[01:09:12] <Polylaptopism> these are my needs
[01:10:09] <sabrex> the x6 can do those pretty easily
[01:10:25] <sabrex> they do aluminum cutting and engraving in that youtube link if you want to see
[01:10:49] <Polylaptopism> let me look
[01:11:08] <Polylaptopism> ah yes
[01:11:09] <sabrex> i was cutting 3.2mm aluminum plate just last night
[01:11:13] <Polylaptopism> I saw these videos, it does look really nice
[01:11:17] <Polylaptopism> do you have a picture of the results?
[01:11:58] <Polylaptopism> it really is going to come down to only one thing
[01:12:06] <sabrex> ill take on
[01:12:11] <Polylaptopism> does the raptor cut better than the x6
[01:12:23] <Polylaptopism> if every other factor is equal I should choose x6 for the larger work bed
[01:12:25] <Polylaptopism> I could do more with it
[01:12:39] <Polylaptopism> it has less in the y ... but more x
[01:12:43] <Polylaptopism> which is more useful I think for me
[01:13:11] <Polylaptopism> 22.83x 15.7x 2.7" vs 16x35x5.5" work area
[01:13:24] <Polylaptopism> wait
[01:13:27] <Polylaptopism> thats ot right
[01:13:32] <Polylaptopism> thats when I thought that was work area of raptor
[01:13:35] <Polylaptopism> here is real comparison
[01:13:40] <Polylaptopism> 22.83x 15.7x 2.7" vs 12.5x30x5.5" work area
[01:13:48] <Polylaptopism> wait I should align them the same
[01:14:13] <Polylaptopism> 15.7x22.83x 2.7"
[01:14:21] <Polylaptopism> 12.5x30x5.5" raptor
[01:14:50] <Polylaptopism> and that z is wrong...
[01:15:04] <Polylaptopism> 15.7x22.83x 5.5" - Omio X6-2200l
[01:15:19] <Polylaptopism> 12.5x30.00x 5.5" raptor
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[01:16:57] <Polylaptopism> I need to switch computers in a moment but I'll have a log of the channel
[01:17:15] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism:
[01:17:27] <pink_vampire> you didn't decide yet???
[01:17:29] <sabrex> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=9D3E7E71B6D4F935!8903&authkey=!ADwCscN8MsHaetQ&v=3&ithint=photo%2cjpg
[01:17:31] <pink_vampire> O_O
[01:18:03] <Polylaptopism> no pink
[01:18:06] <Polylaptopism> check my comparison
[01:18:16] <pink_vampire> sabrex: it's your machine live??
[01:18:57] <sabrex> i took a file to the corners so they're not as sharp or as well defined as your pic was
[01:19:03] <Polylaptopism> that looks nice, how thick?
[01:19:05] <sabrex> is my machine what?
[01:19:10] <sabrex> 3.2mm
[01:22:22] <Polylaptopism> I'll be back in a bit I have to log out from this machine
[01:22:31] <Polylaptopism> if you have any more pictures of cuts or work the machine has done sabrex
[01:22:34] <Polylaptopism> I'm very interested
[01:22:40] <Polylaptopism> and I will see them on my other nick Polymorphism
[01:22:54] <pink_vampire> sabrex: it's a live video from your machine?
[01:23:12] <sabrex> no i took a pic with my phone
[01:25:21] <Polylaptopism> brb
[01:25:21] <pink_vampire> ok..
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[01:25:46] <pink_vampire> sabrex: what 4th axis are you using??
[01:26:26] <sabrex> i dont have much else to show, except the wooden rails i made that are holding up the aluminum plate
[01:26:27] <sabrex> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=9D3E7E71B6D4F935!8905&authkey=!ACa5ke9N1_VIZyI&v=3&ithint=photo%2cjpg
[01:26:45] <sabrex> its a harmonic drive 4th axis i got from aliexpress
[01:27:25] <malcom2073> I love harmonic drives for 4th axis
[01:27:42] <pink_vampire> link? model?
[01:27:49] <pink_vampire> cost?
[01:27:50] <sabrex> yeah it seems pretty great, i havent made anything with it yet. still need to align the tailstock
[01:27:59] <Polylaptopism> shit
[01:28:02] <Polylaptopism> how do I make this decision
[01:28:08] <Polylaptopism> sabrex, do you believe the quality is the same
[01:28:08] <sabrex> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-CNC-4th-axis-with-gapless-harmonic-drive-reduction-gear-box-for-CNC-router-4/32297637957.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.ObWzhB&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201602_3_10036_10035_10034_507_10020_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_10008_10018_10019,searchweb201603_7&btsid=b0bc2656-e8ee-40b4-b2d3-50dc255e9377
[01:28:10] <Polylaptopism> on the x6
[01:28:13] <Polylaptopism> as the raptor
[01:28:30] <Polylaptopism> I have a pic, 1 sec
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[01:29:06] <pink_vampire> sabrex: what are you using for Gcoge?
[01:29:28] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/1476038_10152881473171605_2263869676506557913_n.jpg?oh=fe5e32f240128e00e310e73451415bb9&oe=577B1C27
[01:29:29] <sabrex> fusion 360
[01:29:32] <Polylaptopism> I cant fit a guitar body, lol
[01:29:35] <Polylaptopism> but there is the raptor on wood
[01:29:47] <sabrex> and mach3
[01:29:47] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-0/p206x206/12642842_986917064731439_8845541748404309811_n.jpg?oh=55e94118aa85bd1067e857778199abfc&oe=577E0F07
[01:29:49] <Polylaptopism> sabrex,
[01:29:51] <Polylaptopism> can ytou check that last pic
[01:29:53] <pink_vampire> sabrex: you are with the free version?
[01:29:56] <Polylaptopism> how does that look compared to the x6
[01:30:01] <pink_vampire> free login?
[01:30:03] <sabrex> yeah the free version
[01:30:05] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12642842_986917064731439_8845541748404309811_n.jpg?oh=5c6a6cfa5ac09e2cb4c5bff2a599eb53&oe=57881314
[01:30:06] <Polylaptopism> there
[01:30:11] <Polylaptopism> thats the proper link ^^^
[01:30:19] <sabrex> ok i saw that pic
[01:30:24] <sabrex> its very comparable to the x6
[01:30:45] <sabrex> although the vertical gantry arms seem to be not as wide
[01:31:15] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10413419_959243770832102_2455484536325698158_n.jpg?oh=eefe2849bf7b8a13a8f4673bba5637fd&oe=57893DEF
[01:31:16] <Polylaptopism> and here?
[01:31:17] <sabrex> there is a bit more material on the x6 before it tapers off the top of the gantry vertical profile
[01:31:21] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1917121_959243787498767_4553345255090241253_n.jpg?oh=4daae0c1e976b1d058d58dca8a1fe052&oe=5794BF7D
[01:31:53] <Polylaptopism> you think the machines may be equal quality ?
[01:32:01] <Polylaptopism> that last pic shows well
[01:32:03] <pink_vampire> the x6 build abit better
[01:32:07] <Polylaptopism> wow, really?
[01:32:08] <Polylaptopism> wtd?
[01:32:12] <Polylaptopism> the x6 is built better?
[01:32:16] <pink_vampire> yes.
[01:32:20] <Polylaptopism> wow.
[01:32:23] <pink_vampire> plus it's aluminum.
[01:32:29] <Polylaptopism> ok I reallyt have to go, I will be back in 30 mins
[01:32:32] <Polylaptopism> they are both aluminum arent they
[01:32:33] <sabrex> that pic is interesting
[01:32:37] <sabrex> it only shows a single rail
[01:32:43] <sabrex> is it supposed to have 2?
[01:32:47] <Polylaptopism> I'm not sure
[01:32:50] <Polylaptopism> I really need help
[01:32:54] <pink_vampire> plus it's aluminum.
[01:32:55] <pink_vampire> so you can pink anodized it
[01:32:58] <Polylaptopism> I almost gave xzero 2750 dollars tonight
[01:33:04] <Polylaptopism> I mean
[01:33:06] <Polylaptopism> 2350
[01:33:14] <malcom2073> Why didn't you?
[01:33:15] <Polylaptopism> I really dont wan tto make a mistake that large
[01:33:19] <Polylaptopism> because the x6....
[01:33:23] <Polylaptopism> is still tempting me
[01:33:28] <Polylaptopism> and it has a larger work area
[01:33:34] <Polylaptopism> so if quality is the same or better
[01:33:36] <Polylaptopism> and accuracy
[01:33:39] <sabrex> its got a fun control box with a giant e-stop button too
[01:33:43] <sabrex> does the raptor have that?
[01:33:43] <Polylaptopism> then maybe its the choice
[01:33:46] <Polylaptopism> lol
[01:33:48] <Polylaptopism> no
[01:33:57] <pink_vampire> accuracy is the same.
[01:33:59] <sabrex> let me tell you that the giant red button is very fun to push
[01:34:06] <malcom2073> accuracy or precision?
[01:34:19] <Polylaptopism> it has 311oz 48v motors
[01:34:26] <pink_vampire> the xzero cut nice.
[01:34:46] <Polylaptopism> http://www.leadshine.com/productdetail.aspx?type=products&category=accessories&producttype=multiple-axis-stepper-drives&series=MX&model=MX3660
[01:34:49] <Polylaptopism> thats the controller
[01:35:00] <Polylaptopism> for raptor
[01:35:09] <Polylaptopism> I have to go I *will* checlk your response
[01:35:12] <Polylaptopism> back in 30
[01:35:16] <sabrex> is there a box for it or you have to make your own?
[01:35:17] <sabrex> ok lol
[01:35:19] <pink_vampire> but the 6040 with lite modification and servo motors will work better then the X6 and the xzero.
[01:35:21] <Polylaptopism> make own, back soon
[01:35:45] <sabrex> since they're about the same, you could compare accessories like the control box, cables, water pump, and wireless remote
[01:36:17] <sabrex> youd have to upgrade the 6040 a lot, most 6040s have round rail and leadscrews
[01:36:21] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: ignore the gadgets
[01:36:41] <pink_vampire> yes the 6040 is junk.
[01:37:07] <pink_vampire> but for the price.. and the stuff that you want to do..
[01:37:24] <pink_vampire> go with the x6
[01:37:53] <pink_vampire> or you can save and get the 6040,
[01:38:16] <CaptHindsight> do they make a 4060 version of the X6-2200?
[01:38:29] <pink_vampire> but you will regret on it
[01:39:03] <CaptHindsight> most of my parts are portrait vs landscape
[01:39:04] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: x6 is 6040, no?
[01:39:10] <sabrex> CaptHindsight: its an accessory. a pdf that tells you how to rotate it on your desk
[01:39:32] <CaptHindsight> rotate what? the desk?
[01:39:48] <sabrex> one or the other
[01:39:49] <pink_vampire> i think my g0704 is a mistake.
[01:40:02] <sabrex> actually i reversed the x and y axis on mine
[01:40:10] <CaptHindsight> you can't just rotate the desk and have the parts change
[01:40:11] <sabrex> its sideways on my desk and i like the x axis to be along the desk
[01:40:12] <CaptHindsight> haha
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[01:40:21] <CaptHindsight> can't fool me
[01:40:26] <sabrex> so its a 4060
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[01:41:06] <pink_vampire> my is 17x45
[01:41:16] <sabrex> whats a 60704?
[01:41:23] <sabrex> err g0704?
[01:41:36] <pink_vampire> 17cm by 45cm
[01:41:41] <pink_vampire> z 30 cm
[01:41:48] <djdelorie> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Drill-Mill-with-Stand/G0704
[01:41:49] <CaptHindsight> there has been 4-5 other people in this channel the past few days waiting bandwidth wit the same ideas
[01:42:06] <CaptHindsight> waiting/wasting
[01:42:27] <CaptHindsight> a sideways 6040 is not a 4060
[01:42:28] <sabrex> what ideas?
[01:42:41] <CaptHindsight> you're funny
[01:42:54] <sabrex> i try
[01:43:09] <pink_vampire> do you think my g0704 is better then engraver
[01:43:11] <pink_vampire> ?
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[01:44:19] <sabrex> engraver?
[01:44:49] <McBride36> how much flex would i see in 2mm aluminum plate, about 1'x1'
[01:44:51] <pink_vampire> andwidth wit th
[01:45:12] <pink_vampire> cnc engraving machine *
[01:45:17] <pink_vampire> sabrex: ^
[01:45:48] <pink_vampire> g0704 vs the x6
[01:45:50] <sabrex> that g0704 is manual, doesnt really compare with a cnc
[01:45:58] <pink_vampire> i think the x6 is better.
[01:46:20] <pink_vampire> i mean the g0704 after a conversion,
[01:46:38] <sabrex> oh hmm
[01:46:59] <sabrex> the grizzly is pretty small
[01:47:25] <sabrex> i dont think the size is big enough for me
[01:47:42] <pink_vampire> the z axis on my machine is junk. i can't cut steel without alot off vibrations
[01:48:03] <pink_vampire> sabrex: what do you make with your machine?
[01:48:07] <sabrex> what kind of steel?
[01:48:33] <sabrex> im going to make replica props
[01:48:35] <pink_vampire> hot rolled steel
[01:48:42] <sabrex> like rey's blaster from star wars
[01:48:53] <pink_vampire> link
[01:49:18] <pink_vampire> i have no idea what you are talking about.
[01:49:29] <sabrex> let me find one
[01:49:38] <CaptHindsight> NOT
[01:49:43] <pink_vampire> ?
[01:49:49] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: ?.??
[01:49:52] <sabrex> http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2016/01/Rey-and-Han.jpg
[01:50:15] <sabrex> i dont know how well the x6 can do steel
[01:50:43] <Duc> Has anyone added a rotary table with a hydraulic brake to their setup?
[01:51:09] <pink_vampire> i can't take more then 2 mm steel with 1/2" end mill.
[01:51:29] <pink_vampire> Duc: no
[01:51:32] <sabrex> the x6 couldnt even fit a 1/2" end mill
[01:51:53] <sabrex> at least not the 110v version with the er16 collet
[01:52:09] <pink_vampire> i like to cut stuff with 3/4 end mill.
[01:52:11] <Duc> everything is wired in to the 7i77 but need to figure out how to handle the brake system.
[01:52:24] <pink_vampire> foam
[01:52:37] <pink_vampire> very nice for it
[01:52:43] <Duc> controlled by a relay so just needs a output and 2 signal inputs for clamp and unclamped
[01:53:19] <pink_vampire> sabrex: what I'm looking for in the picture?
[01:53:23] <sabrex> the gun
[01:53:28] <pink_vampire> gun?
[01:53:33] <pink_vampire> the radio?
[01:54:30] <pink_vampire> the silver walkie talkie?
[01:54:45] <pink_vampire> sabrex: ^^
[01:55:01] <sabrex> not a star wars fan eh?
[01:55:13] <pink_vampire> no.
[01:55:28] <pink_vampire> what is star wars?
[01:55:35] <pink_vampire> movie?
[01:56:16] <sabrex> yeah
[01:56:22] <pink_vampire> ok..
[01:57:15] <pink_vampire> I never watch tv.
[01:57:19] <pink_vampire> soo boring.
[01:57:38] <XXCoder> how is your woman part project so far pink_vampire
[01:58:06] <pink_vampire> "the boob"?
[01:58:15] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:58:17] <pink_vampire> lol
[01:58:56] <pink_vampire> I've glue a magnet to it, and stick it to the side of the machine.
[02:00:42] <XXCoder> heh art dont have to make sense
[02:03:03] <tiwake> lol, imagining boobie encoder handle
[02:03:24] <pink_vampire> it's just waiting for the latex / air brush and other stuff.
[02:03:36] <pink_vampire> so you want to see a picture of it?
[02:03:46] <XXCoder> why not
[02:04:02] <pink_vampire> it's a boob after all :)
[02:08:21] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: sabrex tiwake >
http://i.imgur.com/yAue4Ey.png
[02:08:49] <XXCoder> very smooth cut. was it sanded or?
[02:08:52] <pink_vampire> Duc: ^
[02:09:00] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: ^
[02:09:01] <sabrex> will you be making it out of steel?
[02:09:09] <XXCoder> breasts of steel
[02:09:21] <XXCoder> sounds kind of hero or villian name
[02:09:22] <pink_vampire> OMG
[02:09:22] <Duc> That is a big breast about a D-size?
[02:09:58] <pink_vampire> according to solidworks it's 650cc
[02:10:16] <XXCoder> buy a D bra see if it fits heh
[02:10:51] <pink_vampire> I want to go with it to some stores and ask a bra for it.
[02:10:52] <Polymorphism> ok catching up on what UI missed
[02:11:11] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism:
http://i.imgur.com/yAue4Ey.png
[02:11:22] <Duc> should ask the wife what it looks like
[02:11:28] <pink_vampire> YES!
[02:11:31] <pink_vampire> please!!!
[02:11:31] <Polymorphism> sabrex, no accessories with the raptor
[02:11:39] <Polymorphism> just that dsp module, I have a pump
[02:11:57] <Polymorphism> upgrading 6040 sounds ... bad maybe
[02:12:00] <Polymorphism> spend the same as x6?
[02:12:09] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism:
http://i.imgur.com/yAue4Ey.png
[02:12:16] <pink_vampire> what do you think
[02:12:28] <pink_vampire> due please what she say?
[02:13:27] <Polymorphism> raptor claims his machine does steel no problem
[02:13:32] <Polymorphism> but I dont need steel anyway
[02:13:47] <Duc> she thinks a G or a H
[02:14:01] <Polymorphism> with raptoer I buy my owen spindle and pick collet
[02:14:10] <Polymorphism> still reading and catching up
[02:14:14] <pink_vampire> G or H??
[02:14:42] <pink_vampire> Duc: ??
[02:14:43] <Duc> above a DD
[02:14:50] <Polymorphism> lol nice pic pink_vampire
[02:15:26] <XXCoder> big one indeed
[02:15:50] <pink_vampire> it's huge,
[02:16:01] <XXCoder> back breaking big im sure
[02:16:15] <XXCoder> I know couple friends with large ones and they hate em
[02:16:38] <Duc> LOL
[02:16:39] <XXCoder> one is considering breast surgery to lessen size, and other just puts up with it
[02:16:56] <Duc> C or D is a nice size
[02:17:11] <Polymorphism> which machine mills better titanium titty?
[02:17:13] <Polymorphism> raptor or x6
[02:17:17] <pink_vampire> http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/breastssss.jpg
[02:17:25] <pink_vampire> ok.. cnc time
[02:17:33] <XXCoder> I dont really care about size, I care more about personility
[02:17:44] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[02:17:44] <XXCoder> smart ladies is best
[02:18:02] <XXCoder> heh you ever seen that movie total recall, either old or new
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[02:18:30] <Duc> that was proven to be fake but still a goodie.
[02:18:46] <pink_vampire> ok.. fake,,
[02:19:02] <pink_vampire> so what to do next?
[02:19:04] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: watch total recall you get to see em lol
[02:19:35] <Duc> its in both movies the old and new
[02:19:45] <XXCoder> Duc: I know
[02:19:53] <witnit> make a duck
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[02:20:04] <pink_vampire> you know better then me about that stuff?
[02:20:19] <Duc> XXCoder: still unsure which one I like better
[02:20:24] <XXCoder> define "stuff"
[02:20:41] <pink_vampire> witnit: OMG don't be rude
[02:20:42] <Crom> brain not working... I have a bad cold...
[02:20:51] <XXCoder> Duc: I like earlier, bit better, (the very ending low pressure part dont make sense)
[02:21:01] <XXCoder> but then latter one has better effects and tech ideas
[02:21:19] <Duc> I may need to watch the new one again. its fuzzy in my memory
[02:21:24] <XXCoder> and MUCH less mystic crap in latter one too
[02:21:32] <Polymorphism> http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine
[02:21:37] <Polymorphism> what about this machine vs x6?
[02:21:51] <Polymorphism> seriously
[02:22:05] <Polymorphism> notice the size as well as controller and the rails, etc
[02:22:09] <shaun413> I need a nice CNC mill
[02:22:14] <shaun413> Any cheap suggestions
[02:22:20] <pink_vampire> the Z axis it too short to make a boob.
[02:22:23] * Jymmm stuffs XXCoder into an industrial washing machine and turn it on to SUPER FLUFFY setting!
[02:22:47] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: layers.
[02:22:50] <pink_vampire> lol
[02:22:54] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Now you'll be FLUFF N STUFF!
[02:22:54] <Polymorphism> its round rails on the z
[02:22:57] <Polymorphism> so not as good right
[02:23:01] <Polymorphism> as x6 or raptor
[02:23:07] <Polymorphism> but the other rails look ok
[02:23:22] <XXCoder> witnit: this duck?
https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/howard-the-duck.jpg?w=728&h=489&crop=1
[02:23:32] <Duc> I may need to make a hotdog and 2 meat balls to give to one of the coworkers. Just excuse to test the rotary table
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[02:23:53] <shaun413> Is xcarve any good?
[02:24:12] <pink_vampire> shaun413: it's amazing.
[02:24:26] <shaun413> Really?
[02:24:32] <pink_vampire> the mdf base is nice stock material.
[02:24:32] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Is this you?
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/lalaloopsyland/images/f/f0/Mittens_Fluff_n_Stuff.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120512171151
[02:24:33] <shaun413> Not what I'd think.. But ok
[02:24:44] <XXCoder> Jymmm: what? no
[02:24:49] <XXCoder> I'm not that uncute
[02:24:55] <pink_vampire> awwwww
[02:24:58] <pink_vampire> cutteee
[02:25:00] <shaun413> What do you mean stock material
[02:25:18] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ?^
[02:25:18] <Jymmm> XXCoder: But you are fluff n stuff and hats what google says
[02:25:23] <Jymmm> thats*
[02:25:34] <XXCoder> Pee on it, Jymmm
[02:25:40] <CaptHindsight> tune in for more "troll week"
[02:25:43] <Jymmm> XXCoder: LICK IT!
[02:26:07] <XXCoder> nah you go for it, not hungry
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[02:26:21] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: What, the bridge you sleep under is under construction this week?
[02:26:44] <XXCoder> trolls gonna fix bridges so they can steal more money. just business sense.
[02:26:59] <Jymmm> lol
[02:27:23] <pink_vampire> shaun413: xcarve is very nice and expensive stock material.
[02:28:06] <Polymorphism> xcarve isntr rigid enough
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[02:28:51] <BeachBumPete> Evening everyone
[02:29:09] <pink_vampire> BeachBumPete: hi
[02:29:25] <pink_vampire> what are you up to?
[02:29:25] <CaptHindsight> the bum is back!
[02:29:34] <BeachBumPete> Hey pinky
[02:29:35] <pink_vampire> shaun413: look
[02:29:43] <CaptHindsight> how did the move go?
[02:29:52] <BeachBumPete> Captain he sure is ;)
[02:30:01] <shaun413> Yeah ses like nice stock
[02:30:06] <BeachBumPete> Well we are here LOL
[02:30:12] <pink_vampire> shaun413: this is my machine
http://i.imgur.com/yAue4Ey.png
[02:30:15] <shaun413> What is a good router to mill an xcarve with?
[02:30:37] <BeachBumPete> I live at American personal storage unit 206 hehehe
[02:30:39] <Polymorphism> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/4hEAAOSw-W5UyYYf/s-l1600.jpg
[02:30:42] <pink_vampire> my machine ^
[02:30:42] <Polymorphism> isnt that rail fully supported?
[02:30:53] <XXCoder> xcarve is great for light materials
[02:31:02] <shaun413> I don't want to be limited
[02:31:06] <shaun413> I want to do metal
[02:31:09] <pink_vampire> like air.
[02:31:11] <XXCoder> its not rigid enough for actual cutting of alum, besides engraving
[02:31:34] <shaun413> Yeah no good
[02:31:39] <Polymorphism> shaun
[02:31:42] <XXCoder> pretty cheapo for just fun craving of wood
[02:31:42] <Polymorphism> we are looking for the same thing
[02:31:52] <shaun413> That's cool
[02:32:02] <XXCoder> still more expensive than chinese ones though lol
[02:32:02] <shaun413> It's 1k lol that's not super cheap
[02:32:14] <shaun413> I won't pay that just to carve wood
[02:32:19] <CaptHindsight> BeachBumPete: all you need is some tasty waves
[02:32:32] <BeachBumPete> My wife and I worked our butts off the last three days moving everything down and stuffing it to the max mad density possible into two storage units
[02:32:44] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: should have taken Tardis
[02:32:46] <pink_vampire> shaun413: did you saw y machine?
[02:32:49] <pink_vampire> my*
[02:32:50] <shaun413> Yes
[02:33:02] <Polymorphism> http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine
[02:33:03] <BeachBumPete> My kids want to hit the beach in the morning so we just may
[02:33:07] <Polymorphism> how does this machine compare to the x6????
[02:33:07] <pink_vampire> shaun413: and what do you think?
[02:33:12] <shaun413> IRS nice
[02:33:18] <pink_vampire> irs?
[02:33:28] <shaun413> Itd
[02:33:30] <shaun413> Its
[02:34:01] <bobo_> BeachBunPete are you glad to be out of the Tenn life restrictions?
[02:34:02] <pink_vampire> you didn't look close enough
[02:34:07] <pink_vampire> shaun413: ^
[02:34:15] <shaun413> Bazinga
[02:35:11] <pink_vampire> you didn't look close enough, try again..
[02:35:29] <pink_vampire> maybe someone here can help you..
[02:35:32] <shaun413> Idk what I'm looking for
[02:35:37] <XXCoder> its on side
[02:35:40] <pink_vampire> lol
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[02:35:50] <shaun413> Oh the boob
[02:35:55] <pink_vampire> LOOLLLLLLLLLLL
[02:36:00] <shaun413> Quite a z axis
[02:36:14] <pink_vampire> yeah!
[02:36:26] <shaun413> Nice
[02:36:31] <shaun413> Now I need to carve boobs
[02:36:33] <BeachBumPete> Bobo honestly I am just happy to be back where I grew up and with my family
[02:36:39] <pink_vampire> I can't stop laughing
[02:36:44] <shaun413> Why
[02:36:55] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAiFSHfMeio Tasty Waves
[02:36:57] <pink_vampire> it's soo funny,
[02:37:15] <shaun413> K
[02:37:18] <pink_vampire> 3 time to saw it... and you are a man..
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[02:38:15] <XXCoder> pink to be fair, anyone can miss if not expected
[02:38:29] <XXCoder> I already knew what you was making so it was easy spot
[02:39:05] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: no one can ignore 650cc boob.
[02:39:48] <bobo_> Pete grab a pair of rose colored sunglasses and enjoy a new view of the old place
[02:39:49] <pink_vampire> on a cnc machine*
[02:39:59] <XXCoder> heh
[02:40:43] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I took the picture because of you. so....
[02:40:50] <XXCoder> yep
[02:42:34] <bobo_> Pete how many times did you here "are we there yet and dad I need to use a restroom "?
[02:43:44] <shaun413> I saw it
[02:43:50] <shaun413> Didn't realize it was a boob
[02:45:04] <pink_vampire> any idea for the next part?
[02:45:07] <pink_vampire> shaun413: ?
[02:45:09] <BeachBumPete> Well honestly we made the trip three times in about a week so plenty
[02:45:26] <shaun413> Until i saw the nipple
[02:45:30] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: tardis ;)
[02:45:35] <CaptHindsight> ouch
[02:45:57] <BeachBumPete> Tardis?
[02:45:59] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: so tablets and such didnt stem "are we there yet?"s?
[02:46:15] <XXCoder> lol a sci fi time machine/spaceship from doctor who
[02:46:19] <XXCoder> its bigger inside.
[02:46:28] <Polymorphism> http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine
[02:46:32] <Polymorphism> this looks likea hell of a machine
[02:46:34] <Polymorphism> can anyone comment?
[02:46:36] <BeachBumPete> Well they had tablets and dvds and whatnot but they still did
[02:46:43] <Polymorphism> is the z axis rod a concern
[02:46:50] <BeachBumPete> So did I LOL
[02:47:13] <BeachBumPete> But we are here now....all of our stuff is in the storage safe and sound
[02:47:16] <XXCoder> BeachBumPete: in least you can chat and listen to music while driving.
[02:47:20] <XXCoder> me? I has to grind it out
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[02:47:28] <XXCoder> cant read or watch videos lol
[02:47:31] <BeachBumPete> Now we can start really looking for a nice house
[02:47:33] <sabrex> that is a huge machine for that price, whats wrong with it?
[02:47:35] <XXCoder> records at 9 hours
[02:47:37] <zeeshan> you know that router is a pro machine
[02:47:41] <zeeshan> when you post pictures like this:
[02:47:41] <zeeshan> http://chinaservomotor.com/image2/CNC_Router/CNC_Router_Milling_L6090_machine/CNC_Router_Milling_L6090_machine_9.png
[02:47:44] <zeeshan> missing screws
[02:47:47] <shaun413> So what mill is decent
[02:47:47] <zeeshan> no ball screw covers
[02:47:48] <zeeshan> lol
[02:47:49] <Polymorphism> sabrex, thats what I'm trying to find out
[02:47:49] <shaun413> And cheap
[02:47:49] <sabrex> never seen something that cheap that big
[02:47:53] <Polymorphism> how it compares to the x6
[02:47:53] <shaun413> I don't mind used...
[02:48:01] <Polymorphism> sabrex, yes, it took me a LONG time to find it
[02:48:08] <Polymorphism> trying to find shipping price. I'll let you know when they email me back
[02:48:15] <Polymorphism> it has the linear flat rails...
[02:48:19] <Polymorphism> looks like a sturdy frame
[02:48:21] <sabrex> even comes with that ridiculous controller in a pc case
[02:48:22] <Polymorphism> the z is round rod....
[02:48:24] <Polymorphism> but yeah lol
[02:48:27] <Polymorphism> the controller looks nice
[02:48:28] <zeeshan> lol sabrex
[02:48:29] <Polymorphism> 2.2kw spindle
[02:48:29] <XXCoder> gamer type pc case
[02:48:35] <BeachBumPete> Tomorrow we are having breakfast with my cousin Anthony and my mother on the local pier restaurant which is really nice.
[02:48:38] <shaun413> Anyone know
[02:48:41] <XXCoder> I need to find something for my machine
[02:52:12] <Polymorphism> XXCoder,
[02:52:15] <Polymorphism> how does the bridge compare
[02:52:24] <Polymorphism> on the x6
[02:52:28] <Polymorphism> vs this gamer cnc
[02:52:28] <BeachBumPete> Well goodnight
[02:52:29] <XXCoder> dunno
[02:52:32] <Polymorphism> gn BeachBumPete
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[02:53:03] <XXCoder> Polymorphism: honestly?
[02:53:08] <Polymorphism> yeah
[02:53:11] <XXCoder> most that you had linked to would work dor ya
[02:53:21] <Polymorphism> =\
[02:53:24] <XXCoder> it depends on few factors
[02:53:31] <XXCoder> price/how ready/size
[02:53:54] <XXCoder> that 2'x3' model for example, is quite cheap for its size, but its DIY build
[02:54:15] <XXCoder> chinese ones is smaller, but cheaper, but you probably has to rebuild it a little, expecially bearings
[02:54:33] <XXCoder> other one is midsize but more expensive but basically keyturn solution
[02:55:09] <Polymorphism> the dx-6090?
[02:55:42] <XXCoder> that or other one you had linked to
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[02:56:33] <Polymorphism> hmm
[02:57:07] <XXCoder> so basically
[02:57:14] <XXCoder> man up and make a decison
[02:57:16] <XXCoder> then make it work
[02:57:50] <sabrex> lol
[03:01:37] <pink_vampire> soo quite..
[03:01:46] <XXCoder> quite quiet yes
[03:02:07] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism make an order now...
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[03:05:06] <Encapsulation2> Did I miss anything
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[03:05:57] <XXCoder> whats last thung you read
[03:05:58] <pink_vampire> Polymorpic: ?
[03:06:47] <sabrex> manhood still intact?
[03:07:22] <Polymorpic> I asked how thr 6090dx compared bridge
[03:07:24] <Polymorpic> to x6
[03:08:22] <XXCoder> ok let me repeat
[03:08:27] <XXCoder> that or other one you had linked to
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[03:08:34] <XXCoder> so basically
[03:08:34] <Polymorpic> The x6?
[03:08:39] <Polymorpic> or cheap China 6040
[03:08:40] <XXCoder> man up and make a decison
[03:08:45] <XXCoder> then make it work
[03:08:48] <XXCoder> there ya go
[03:09:00] <Polymorpic> ok
[03:10:49] <Polymorpic> I'll wait to hear back about the 6090 shipping cost
[03:11:02] <XXCoder> cool :)
[03:12:50] <pink_vampire> 11 am
[03:13:09] <pink_vampire> I've just made few insert today,
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[03:14:18] <pink_vampire> and I need to get drum sander
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[03:16:46] <Polylaptopism> http://www.leadshine.com/productdetail.aspx?type=products&category=accessories&producttype=multiple-axis-stepper-drives&series=MX&model=MX3660
[03:16:53] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: you has a drill press?
[03:17:02] <XXCoder> theres this project to convert one to drum sander
[03:17:07] <XXCoder> its not perment convert
[03:17:13] <pink_vampire> I mean just the bit,
[03:17:25] <pink_vampire> now I'm working with the dremel bit.
[03:17:33] <pink_vampire> toooo small.
[03:17:51] <XXCoder> http://www.hackshed.co.uk/turn-your-drill-press-into-a-bobbinspindle-sander/
[03:18:18] <pink_vampire> http://www.harborfreight.com/150-grit-sanding-sleeves-6-pc-60607.html
[03:18:52] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: do you know that I have a milling machine..
[03:19:01] <XXCoder> I know
[03:19:15] <XXCoder> its just that if you has a drill press you can make drum sander, a good one
[03:19:21] <XXCoder> check out url I posted
[03:19:34] <XXCoder> mill can be "converted" same way i bet
[03:20:01] <Polylaptopism> nice link XXCoder
[03:20:01] <Polylaptopism> ty
[03:20:05] <XXCoder> np
[03:20:31] <pink_vampire> http://www.amazon.com/Dremel-430-drum-sanding-mandrel/dp/B00004UDHD
[03:20:43] <pink_vampire> now I'm using something like that.
[03:20:48] <pink_vampire> that 1/8" shank..
[03:21:03] <pink_vampire> on the spindle of the G0704..
[03:21:12] <pink_vampire> with 1/8" collet,
[03:21:16] <XXCoder> thats tiny
[03:21:25] <XXCoder> project I posted you can make quite large drum
[03:21:27] <Tom_itx> ~1/2"
[03:21:37] <pink_vampire> work very nice but it's eat the sand paper after one part.
[03:22:13] <Polylaptopism> does everyone like hte driver mkodule I linked?
[03:23:31] <Tom_itx> it's a leadshine stepper driver... what's more to say about it?
[03:23:50] <pink_vampire> Multi-Axis Stepper
[03:23:58] <pink_vampire> one die - all die,
[03:24:02] <Tom_itx> like the G540
[03:24:06] <pink_vampire> correct.
[03:24:10] <Polylaptopism> how does it compare to geckodrive
[03:24:11] <XXCoder> pink because its tiny, it wears faster
[03:24:16] <Polylaptopism> ore trinyg
[03:24:34] <Polylaptopism> its $350 with 3x motors 311oz and 48v psu
[03:24:35] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I have to use small diameter one,,
[03:24:35] <Polylaptopism> good deal?
[03:24:38] <Tom_itx> some ppl use leadshine
[03:24:55] <pink_vampire> brb
[03:24:56] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: thats my point, you dont have to, you can MAKE larger ones
[03:25:06] <pink_vampire> how?
[03:25:08] <XXCoder> using wood circles, layered
[03:25:13] <XXCoder> then glued together
[03:25:16] <pink_vampire> he show the box of them
[03:25:25] <XXCoder> then sandpaper paper sheet glued on it
[03:25:33] <pink_vampire> how I replace the paper?
[03:25:39] <XXCoder> or better double tape as it can be replaced easier
[03:25:39] <Polylaptopism> very carefully
[03:25:59] <XXCoder> http://www.hackshed.co.uk/turn-your-drill-press-into-a-bobbinspindle-sander/
[03:26:03] <pink_vampire> brbbb
[03:26:16] <Tom_itx> http://www.stewmac.com/Luthier_Tools/Tools_by_Job/Tools_for_Sanding/Robo-Sander_Flush_Trim_Sander.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=2016-03-gp&gclid=CLTdsMm34ssCFQwPaQodFNQHHw
[03:26:30] <Tom_itx> http://www.sears.com/singley-specialty-sanding-drum-2-1-2inch-x-4/p-SPM7780027627?hlSellerId=21958&sid=IDx20110310x00001i&kpid=SPM7780027627&kispla=SPM7780027627
[03:27:14] <Tom_itx> http://www.rockler.com/25-piece-rubber-sanding-drum-set?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_content=pla&utm_campaign=PL&sid=V9146&gclid=CNbP0OS34ssCFQ2QaQod-HMNsA
[03:27:21] <Tom_itx> there are 3 right there
[03:27:31] <Tom_itx> last one is multiple sizes
[03:28:16] <Tom_itx> https://jet.com/product/detail/83023e20416344e0bbdca1637c759cd7?jcmp=pla:ggl:gen_hardware_a2:tools_sanders_a2_other:na:na:na:na:na:2&code=PLA15&ds_c=gen_hardware_a2&ds_cid&ds_ag=tools_sanders_a2_other&product_id=83023e20416344e0bbdca1637c759cd7&product_partition_id=156845122620&gclid=CKij5YC44ssCFZeEaQodRh4PcA
[03:28:53] <XXCoder> pink_vampire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbJymL1AEE4 by that crazy, crazy woodshop guy
[03:31:05] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WAU12uk6Ns another drill press one
[03:32:18] <XXCoder> it cost him just $2
[03:32:26] <XXCoder> compare it to $30 each apparently
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[03:32:41] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: box, hole, Z axis , gcode code
[03:32:49] <XXCoder> yep
[03:33:11] <XXCoder> your mill would make for a better sand spindle than drill press or that weird thing by that crazy woodshop guy
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[03:34:12] <Polylaptopism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-800W-VFD-ENGRAVER-4-Axis-CNC-ROUTER-KIT-3040-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-int-/252304451711?hash=item3abe84687f:g:WiYAAOSwx-9Wz-wQ
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[03:35:15] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: 3040
[03:35:33] <XXCoder> definitely small
[03:37:38] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/TLE9i8g.png
[03:37:44] <pink_vampire> 4 like that
[03:37:54] <pink_vampire> what do you think?
[03:38:08] <XXCoder> for what?
[03:38:31] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/1bXPMlL.png
[03:38:33] <pink_vampire> that
[03:39:17] <XXCoder> ahh
[03:39:33] <XXCoder> heh hard to see scale with rendered picture, I was [icturing it bigger
[03:39:39] <XXCoder> yeah would work
[03:40:03] <pink_vampire> instead of one large piece to use 4 small ones so it will be easy to modify in the future
[03:40:33] <XXCoder> easier tp replace if it breaks too
[03:40:40] <XXCoder> maybe one row each?
[03:41:05] <pink_vampire> no.. that too much work to cut
[03:41:23] <pink_vampire> I need to cut the cabinet for that..
[03:41:32] <XXCoder> balance between work and repairability
[03:41:58] <pink_vampire> I will have to make the a room for the screws.
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[03:44:10] <Polylaptopism> its small but its also cheap
[03:44:11] <Polylaptopism> 1700 less
[03:44:14] <Polylaptopism> it should do pcbs?
[03:44:19] <Polylaptopism> and my 4mm aluminum enclosures?
[03:44:24] <Polylaptopism> routing and engraving
[03:44:34] <XXCoder> seems likely but you will quickly reach size limits
[03:44:43] <XXCoder> little big bigger maybe better
[03:44:47] <Polylaptopism> 80mm z is nice
[03:44:49] <Polylaptopism> hmm, you may be right
[03:44:52] <XXCoder> but then it really depends on your needs
[03:44:53] <pink_vampire> Max. Feeding height ≤60mm
[03:45:10] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: ^
[03:45:13] <Polylaptopism> not enough z clearance or travel you think pink_vampire ?
[03:45:36] <pink_vampire> get the xzero
[03:47:13] <Polylaptopism> I thought the x6 was just as good with larger work area, and that big 6090 might be as good as the x6?
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[03:52:29] <pink_vampire> the 6090 is ok
[03:56:49] <Polylaptopism> ok
[03:56:53] <Polylaptopism> lots to think about =D
[04:03:48] <Polylaptopism> I really appreciate everyones advice so far
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[04:16:19] <os1r1s> pink_vampire Got all the clearpath's wired up and moving with linuxcnc now!
[04:21:55] * djdelorie is interested in the clearpaths...
[04:22:42] <pink_vampire> os1r1s: what do you mean?
[04:23:12] <os1r1s> Got them wired up to my 7i76 and moving well
[04:23:23] <os1r1s> clearpath servos by teknic
[04:24:03] <pink_vampire> nice
[04:24:23] <pink_vampire> show me parts and chips
[04:33:22] <os1r1s> Still workign on that
[04:33:26] <os1r1s> One step at a time
[04:35:56] <djdelorie> heh. Many steps at a time with a 7i76
[04:36:20] <sabrex> quit microstepping and hurry up
[04:36:53] <os1r1s> djdelorie They are damn near silent at 1000 rpm
[04:37:15] <pink_vampire> ac servo?
[04:37:57] <os1r1s> pink_vampire They are DC servos.
[04:38:04] <os1r1s> pink_vampire But the driver is built into the motor
[04:38:21] <os1r1s> So you feed it step, dir, and enable and it moves
[04:38:28] <os1r1s> With a fault line coming back
[04:38:47] <pink_vampire> it's the brashless one?
[04:38:51] <pink_vampire> 299$?
[04:40:57] <pink_vampire> os1r1s: ?
[04:41:10] <os1r1s> About 300
[04:41:36] <os1r1s> pink_vampire
https://www.teknic.com/products/clearpath-brushless-dc-servo-motors/
[04:42:01] <pink_vampire> yes, that the one I'm talking,
[04:42:31] <pink_vampire> they look so awesome.
[04:42:45] <os1r1s> They are slick
[04:43:04] <os1r1s> We'll see how well they work. But based on what I've seen so far I'm pleased
[04:43:10] <McBride36> how much flex would i see in 2mm aluminum plate, about 1'x1'
[04:43:20] <djdelorie> os1r1s: what do you think of their built-in tuning software? I found tuning to be the hardest part of setting up servos.
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[04:43:36] <os1r1s> djdelorie These autotune
[04:43:42] <djdelorie> yeah, but how well?
[04:43:47] <os1r1s> The software has been ok so far.
[04:43:53] <os1r1s> I'll let you know in a week or so :P
[04:44:02] <os1r1s> From what I've read they do well
[04:44:03] <djdelorie> :-)
[04:44:43] <djdelorie> the other thing I had a hard time getting right was keeping the servos from hunting while the axes weren't moving
[04:45:17] <pink_vampire> what model you took?
[04:53:00] <Connor> os1r1s: Those look interesting.. Not sure how they would do in a flood coolant environment..
[04:53:19] <os1r1s> Connor We'll see
[04:53:27] <os1r1s> Connor I will have coolant on mine
[04:53:38] <os1r1s> I talked to their engineers and they said it was ok
[04:53:58] <os1r1s> pink_vampire 2331s for the X/Y and I have to look up the Z
[04:54:01] <Connor> Oh. okay.. Just Nema 32? They have any Nema 23's ?
[04:55:19] <os1r1s> the 2331 is nema23
[04:55:30] <os1r1s> I have a 34 on Z
[04:55:45] <Connor> What's the torque rating on the 2331 ?
[04:57:24] <os1r1s> Somewhere around 600
[04:57:31] <os1r1s> I forget the exact number
[05:00:20] <pink_vampire> what power supply?
[05:01:56] <Polymorphism> http://www.grizzly.com/products/2-Precision-Self-Centering-Vise/T10441?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_medium=link&utm_source=direct
[05:01:57] <Polymorphism> do I need this
[05:02:09] <Polymorphism> I want it for some reason
[05:02:24] <djdelorie> no
[05:02:27] <Polymorphism> does that mean it returns to 0 on its own
[05:02:30] <Polymorphism> when you release it
[05:02:32] <XXCoder> heh
http://maximumble.thebookofbiff.com/2016/02/04/1263-revenge/
[05:03:08] <Polymorphism> xD
[05:05:18] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: no
[05:05:46] <pink_vampire> you need probe
[05:09:31] <Polymorphism> I need woodruff key bits
[05:09:56] <Polymorphism> http://www.grizzly.com/products/9-pc-Woodruff-Key-Seat-Set/H5606?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_medium=link&utm_source=direct
[05:11:38] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: shallow and large drill vise
[05:12:06] <pink_vampire> and basic clamping kit
[05:13:52] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: ^^
[05:14:24] <Polymorphism> ok
[05:14:29] <Polymorphism> let me take a look
[05:14:50] <pink_vampire> and make a probe
[05:16:31] <Polymorphism> can I make the vise
[05:16:32] <Polymorphism> and the clampos
[05:16:34] <Polymorphism> with the machine
[05:16:58] <pink_vampire> the clamping kit - yes.
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[05:17:07] <pink_vampire> it's just 4 screws
[05:18:09] <pink_vampire> it's have to be the same with as your t slot
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[05:21:58] <Polymorphism> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Quick-Setting-Mill-Vise/T10724?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_medium=link&utm_source=direct
[05:22:22] <Polymorphism> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=253012&d=1413176329
[05:22:25] <Polymorphism> thats some of the cutting I need to do
[05:22:51] <Polymorphism> http://mrdwab.com/john/Browniemanualwah.jpg
[05:22:53] <Polymorphism> also this though
[05:22:59] <Not-Renny> I don't imagine there's anyone here from Utah that's got a laser cutter.
[05:23:06] <Polymorphism> sorry
[05:23:18] <Not-Renny> Pretty, Polymorphism.
[05:27:18] <Polymorphism> http://www.guitarampboard.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14209
[05:27:32] <Polymorphism> Can I expect that level of quality with the machines I'm considering pink_vampire
[05:29:03] <Polymorphism> he should have routed it so the bottom panel fits invisibly
[05:29:21] <Polymorphism> can you tap wood with threads
[05:29:44] <Polymorphism> probablyt not I would guess...
[05:29:55] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: this is NO as machined!
[05:30:06] <pink_vampire> never ever.
[05:30:10] <Polymorphism> what?
[05:30:31] <pink_vampire> you will have to sand it and polish it,
[05:30:41] <Polymorphism> the engraving
[05:30:42] <Polymorphism> its so sharp
[05:30:45] <Polymorphism> and clean
[05:31:02] <Polymorphism> http://www.bobsavage.net/otherjunk/lollygagger/lollygagger-wood-enclosures-4.jpg
[05:31:03] <Polymorphism> like that
[05:31:13] <Polymorphism> are these really that precise?
[05:31:27] <Polymorphism> how is that so clean!!!!!
[05:31:29] <Polymorphism> wow
[05:31:32] <Polymorphism> such perfect cuts
[05:31:46] <pink_vampire> high speed spindle, air blast to clear the chips, and slow feed rate
[05:32:50] <pink_vampire> also high quality and sharp ed mills.
[05:33:44] <Not-Renny> You /could/just get a laser engraver :P
[05:34:05] <Polymorphism> xD
[05:34:13] <Polymorphism> I'd like to use one machine
[05:34:25] <pink_vampire> Not-Renny: he want it for aluminum.
[05:34:33] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, high speed, air blast, slow feed, high qwuality sharp mill.
[05:34:42] <Polymorphism> raptor has accuracy less than .001 he said
[05:34:45] <Not-Renny> Just get a really high end one, then :P
[05:34:48] <Polymorphism> so I know it would be this clean... I think
[05:35:02] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: it's not about the backlash.
[05:35:11] <Polymorphism> .00025 accuracy
[05:35:15] <Polymorphism> maybe
[05:35:24] <Not-Renny> Pfff, just make your own machine, silly
[05:35:33] <Not-Renny> this is what I will do.
[05:35:33] <Polymorphism> Not-Renny, it's not really economical
[05:35:35] <Polymorphism> I looked into that
[05:35:49] <Not-Renny> Well I will do it for fun!
[05:35:54] <Polymorphism> =D
[05:36:02] <pink_vampire> even with screws from home depot you can get it.
[05:36:28] <Not-Renny> like, I want to make a little tabletop lens grinder.
[05:37:19] <pink_vampire> it's just to clear the chips, and cut slow so the wood get very smooth
[05:37:45] <pink_vampire> lens grinder?
[05:38:00] <pink_vampire> do you want to make a telescope?
[05:38:03] <Polymorphism> you need extreme accuracy!
[05:38:06] <pink_vampire> no
[05:38:11] <Polymorphism> no?
[05:38:22] <Polymorphism> he wants to grind his own telescope mirror
[05:38:28] <pink_vampire> for telescope?
[05:38:49] <Polymorphism> Not-Renny,
[05:38:53] <pink_vampire> it's not that hard.
[05:39:26] <sabrex> you just need a diamond turning tool in a lathe to make lenses
[05:39:47] <Not-Renny> Well, I wanted to grind laser and other optics lenses
[05:40:48] <Not-Renny> So I thought it would be cool to do a super low gearing on a couple of motors, and have a brushless motor or something do the spinning while the motors move a stationary diamond impregnated but around.
[05:41:00] <Not-Renny> Bit*
[05:41:25] <sabrex> did it work?
[05:41:38] <Not-Renny> This is just an idea. :P
[05:42:14] <sabrex> sounds like you're making a lathe lol
[05:42:22] <Not-Renny> I know which electronics I'd want to use, I'm just not sure how it would work in a software way.
[05:42:43] <djdelorie> put the lens on the spindle and mount the diamond tool to the table...
[05:42:51] <Not-Renny> sabrex, pretty much a lathe where the x axis is flipped to be the x axis :P
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[05:43:08] <Polymorphism> http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Bodies/BodyBlank.aspx
[05:43:08] <Not-Renny> Z axis*
[05:44:35] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: do you know how to play on a guitar?
[05:45:08] <Polymorphism> yes
[05:45:28] <pink_vampire> do you play on a band?
[05:45:31] <Polymorphism> thats why I like the idea of making a new guitar body
[05:45:38] <Polymorphism> no, not right now
[05:50:21] <Polymorphism> Have to sleep now, gn
[05:50:45] <XXCoder> heh might make one for hell of it
[05:50:48] <XXCoder> night
[05:50:55] <XXCoder> guitar body
[06:01:46] <pink_vampire> I need a drawing of db25
[06:04:54] <XXCoder> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/406/559/712/712559406_429.jpg ?
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[06:05:32] <Jymmm> pink_vampire:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature#/media/File:DSubminiatures.svg
[06:05:41] <XXCoder> might be better
http://www.pacificcable.com/photos/DI-25P-T_Drawing.jpg
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[06:06:22] <pink_vampire> so it's 10 deg?
[06:08:04] <XXCoder> odd that it does NOT specify smaller horzonal part
[06:09:31] <XXCoder> my second one is bit more detailed
[06:09:37] <XXCoder> it does seem to be 10 degrees
[06:09:45] <pink_vampire> i need to get some sleep
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[06:14:36] <XXCoder> anyway pink_vampire you can figure it out since both pics together provides enough info :)
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[06:18:03] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: oh found it
[06:18:17] <XXCoder> radius at corners should be .102/.106
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[07:20:22] <Deejay> moin
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[07:47:31] <minibnz> oh this is just starting to piss me off.. i cannot get this tool changer to work.. no matter what i do it just wont do what i tell it.. if i use just the classicladder i cannot move the head up and down. if i try and use python is am supposed to be able to move the axis but i cannot get a pin to change state... ie cannot get the platter to turn...
[07:47:56] <minibnz> no matter what i do in the hal file or the python code can i get the python signals to connect to the hardware.
[07:48:26] <minibnz> i can see the signals are changing but the signals are not making it thru to the end of their nets..
[07:48:55] <minibnz> i can manually setp pins on and off and it does what i tell it. so its wired up fine.. i just cannot access it from python./
[07:49:27] <minibnz> have looked at the few examples i can find but they just result in the same thing.. signals not following the nets..
[07:49:46] <minibnz> think i might just give up on this, i have spent 4 days on this and have nothing to show for it..
[07:49:53] <archivist> trace your nets viewing the signals
[07:50:35] <minibnz> if i go in to the hal config veiwer it says the nets are connected to the right pins. so i really dont know what i am doing wrong.
[07:51:10] <minibnz> and not being able to find any sample code from components others have written i just dont know where to turn
[07:51:42] <archivist> available components will be in the source
[07:51:49] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/halshow.html
[07:52:15] <minibnz> i can see that my component is in the config viewer so i know its loaded
[07:52:38] <minibnz> i can see what signals it has but i just cannot get them to make it to the parport pins.
[07:52:48] <archivist> people often forget to load comps properly
[07:53:20] <minibnz> so whats your idea of properly? do you not simply do a loadusr componentname?
[07:54:44] <minibnz> all the pages i and examples i have seen say just to add that to the hal file.
[07:54:57] <archivist> addf ?
[07:55:33] <archivist> it is easily forgotten
[07:56:47] <archivist> I was chasing something like that over xmas, I forgot :)
[07:57:02] <minibnz> none of the examples i have seen even mention addf
[07:58:18] <minibnz> guess i need to add a function to my python script as it says unknown finction when i add the addf command
[08:00:36] <minibnz> well i guess i start the documentation search all over again as to how to add a function to my script.. as i have not seen anything about how to or why i need to..
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[08:01:22] <archivist> what addf does is put the comp into a thread to actually run it
[08:02:05] <archivist> eg
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/configs/vertex/vertex.hal
[08:02:13] <minibnz> well i can see that when i set a variable in python i see that value appear in the classicladder variable watch window.
[08:03:07] <archivist> without the addf the comp is not running in a thread
[08:03:16] <minibnz> i understand that it needs to go into the hal file but there seems to be something missing in my python script that the addf is trying to find.
[08:03:32] <minibnz> i have no functions in my script its simply a loop at this point
[08:03:45] <archivist> forget python
[08:03:54] <archivist> this is in hal
[08:04:01] <minibnz> yes i get that...
[08:04:36] <minibnz> when i add the addf command to my hal file. EMC fails to start and throws a error of unabel to find function toolchanger.0.read
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[08:08:26] <minibnz> AS it is i can see that the python script is running.. as i can see that it will change some variables when it runs .. and i can see the new variable value in the watch window of the classicladder.. so i really dont know what the addf is going to give me
[08:09:21] <minibnz> there is a whole host of things i do not yet understand and was hoping to at least get a pin to turn on and off but all i am able to do is change a s32 variable.. cannot set pins high or low..
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[08:10:57] <minibnz> if i really must use a addf command then i have to find out how to modify my python component to work with that.. at the moment all it does is sets up a bunch of pins and then loops setiing a variable...
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[08:15:19] <minibnz> i can see that the python script is doing something because the newpin commands make stuff appear in the halscope list.. so i really dont know whats going wrong
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[08:16:58] <minibnz> im finding it really hard to pull all the little snippets of information from the 8 different web pages that i have been following trying to get this far..
[08:29:17] <archivist> which thread is the comp to run "in"
[08:30:07] <minibnz> i dunno.. this is the problem i do not know how to add a function to my script so i can add it to a thread.
[08:31:05] <archivist> adding it was the loadusr
[08:31:35] <minibnz> so at the moment i have a loadusr toolchanger command in my hal file.
[08:32:18] <archivist> I have never used any user space stuff yet
[08:32:27] <minibnz> if i go and add a addf toolchanger base-thread it throws and error saying toolchanger is an unknown fucntuion. this is why i am trying to work out how to add a function to my script to satisfy the adff call
[08:32:32] <archivist> nor classicladder
[08:33:02] <archivist> well base thread is realtime and that was loaded in user
[08:33:12] <minibnz> if i can see that the script is doing stuff why do i need to addf?
[08:33:34] <archivist> to attach to the correct thread
[08:33:50] <minibnz> but i cannot find out what addf wants..
[08:34:21] <minibnz> all of the user space component examples are very lacking any real information.. they all seem incomplete
[08:34:49] <minibnz> i guess everyone gives up and writes it in to the source..
[08:35:40] <minibnz> i am not going to go that far.. i should not have to mess with the source code to linuxcnc to do what i want..
[08:35:50] <archivist> often people creating stuff dont bother with sensible docs unfortunately
[08:36:08] <minibnz> its bad enough that i cannot do it all in the classicladder.. what good is a plc that cannot move axis?
[08:36:35] <minibnz> without docs they might as well not bother creating/sharing stuff
[08:39:29] <archivist> you move to tool change position, classiclatter does the change, are you expecting something else
[08:41:07] <minibnz> yes i have the M6 command setup to move the quill up ready for a tool change.. then i can use the CL to rotate the carousel but then i need the head to come down close the collet and go back up then report its ready for work
[08:41:40] <minibnz> i cannot work out how to get the quill/head to come down grab the tool and go back up to clear the tool carousel.
[08:42:52] <minibnz> to get around that i have to make the tool carousel move up and down as well as around and in and out.. it just seems so wrong to make another axis of movement when i can/should get the head to move to the tool
[08:43:26] <minibnz> making the tool carousel go up and down is just going to add another level of complexity to the mechanics that just doesnt need to be there.
[08:44:54] <minibnz> everyone tells me this should be possible but no-one can tell me how or where i can find information to make it possible.
[08:45:52] <archivist> using something like a multiplexer or addition comp to add movement to the current position
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[08:46:45] <archivist> see the torch height comp for an idea how Z can be modified
[08:46:52] <minibnz> how would a multiplexor help me i cannot drive a single pin high or low..
[08:47:47] <minibnz> ok where do i find the torch height comp code?
[08:48:29] <archivist> it is how the comp is ised not its code
[08:48:33] <archivist> used
[08:51:33] <minibnz> well i have no idea of where to find the component module. and i am really going to need to get the code to the module so i can write my own..
[08:52:25] <Sync> you can probably write a custom hal module that does that
[08:52:52] <minibnz> sync thats exactly what i am trying to do.. but i cannot get the pythhon code to toggle a pin
[08:53:20] <minibnz> i see the nets are all setup saying that my signal that turns on the platter motor is set to go to the par port pin but nothgin happens..
[08:53:51] <minibnz> i can see the component code has set the variable/pin but that signal is not making it thru the nets for some reason..
[08:54:44] <minibnz> was hoping somone could point me to a real example of how to write a python component.. all i can find is a simple passthru example that doesnt do anything real it just mirrors a variable in to out
[08:54:57] <minibnz> no mention of how to assign that to a thread nothing..
[08:55:38] <minibnz> i had the classic ladder all setup so it would take the Tx number rotate the platter to the right slot but could not get it to lower the head to pick up the tool
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[08:56:47] <minibnz> so i moved to python but cannot get that to toggle a pin on the par port.
[08:58:11] <minibnz> i know my python script is doing stuff cuz i can that it will change a variable.. just refuses to toggle a pin.. the nets appear correct but the pins dont change
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[09:00:00] <Sync> hm
[09:00:10] <Sync> you can probably move the head with gcode in classicladder
[09:00:35] <minibnz> probably but i cant find documentation that says so.
[09:01:53] <minibnz> the documentation i have found is always incomplete so i am taking a little from here and some from there but its still not enough..
[09:01:57] <archivist> add a value to Z
[09:02:20] <archivist> see how the toolheight does that
[09:04:48] <minibnz> tool heights is taken care of by some mechanisim in the M6 routine i think
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[09:05:35] <minibnz> it is written in c component so it not a user module is it still worth reading that source code?
[09:06:49] <minibnz> and as far as i can see none of the variables that are accessible in the classicladder relate to make an axis go to this location, at best i might be able to hit the memory registers that will make it think it has moved to a locatioin
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[09:08:59] <minibnz> i might have to do it in a way that seems very wrong to me.. use the classic ladder to set variables that python then uses as a trigger to move the axis. this means using both the CL and the python component.. just seems wrong to be passing variables to make things happen. going to need a state machine...
[09:10:02] <minibnz> maybe i should look into the sequential ladder language that can run GCODE's but its all subroutines and crap that just looks messy..
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[09:12:26] <minibnz> very disapointing state of affairs.. i am almost tempted to make a PIC MCU do all the work including hijacking the Z step and direction lines and force it to do my bidding... now i know that is all shades of wrong..
[09:18:35] <archivist> I think you are not seeing the big picture and how you can connect hal comps together to do something
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[09:20:48] <minibnz> you are exactly right i cannot see the big picture because it had been cut up and spread across the internet in many many tiny peices..
[09:21:37] <minibnz> i cannot even find a list of available components and the few that i have found all require compiling into linuxcnc..
[09:21:52] <minibnz> the machine i am working on does not have enough space to do all this
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[09:22:20] <sabrex> how much space is required to compile linuxcnc?
[09:22:44] <minibnz> its all the dependancies that i need to install to be able to compile the code
[09:22:55] <minibnz> i have only 400mb free
[09:23:27] <archivist> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/man/man9/
[09:24:12] <archivist> the list is at the bottom of
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/
[09:24:23] <archivist> it is all there
[09:24:23] <minibnz> thats one of the sources i have been using but there is not a lot about tool changers to be found.. and as for python stuff there is very little to be found
[09:24:39] <archivist> I dont do python
[09:26:56] <minibnz> ok this i have not seen.. this has usefull information.
[09:27:23] <minibnz> i might even be able to hook into some of this from the classicladder..
[09:27:37] <minibnz> thank you very much... greatly appreciated..
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[10:23:34] <newcnc22> Hello all
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[11:08:17] <minibnz> dont ya love it when you flip one little micro switch and you cause your whole mill to reset...
[11:09:21] <minibnz> did something wrong in the PLC and tried to drive the linear actuator in both forwards and reverse at the same time.. basically shorting 12v to ground
[11:09:54] <minibnz> at least this driver is holding up better than the last one.. it let the magic smoke out...
[11:10:14] <XXCoder> ouch
[11:12:07] <minibnz> oh and to top that off.. i lent on the bench holding the mill and it has started to collapse, i managed to slow it enough to get a few lengths of stock under it to stop a catastrophy.. saved the coolant tank below the bench from getting smashed and leaking.
[11:13:02] <minibnz> saved the soldering station too..just have to hope that holds until i can get some thing in the way of a real bench sorted.. might have to pick the mill up and move it to the big bench for a little while..
[11:13:46] <XXCoder> awesome video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYI1slVGziU
[11:13:50] <XXCoder> man I love that channel
[11:15:06] <minibnz> that is pretty cool
[11:15:18] <XXCoder> yeah
[11:19:27] <minibnz> i like his little lathe
[12:00:57] <Polymorphism> Maybe the 6040 will be fine for me. I don't need 2.2kw spindle 800w will be enough. I'm only cutting 2-4mm al sheet and maybe some hardwood as well.
[12:01:08] <XXCoder> indeed
[12:01:11] <Polymorphism> I could save the $1200, if the only real difference is the flat rails vs round
[12:01:34] <Polymorphism> I'm not sure the x6 will make a nicer looking pcb or cleaner cuts, for those type of thicknesses
[12:02:15] <Polymorphism> thats what it comes down to, I think both machines have plenty of power for my needs
[12:02:24] <Polymorphism> it would be, am I buying more accuracy with my $1200
[12:02:34] <Polymorphism> or just throwing money at sturdier machine I dont realluy need for my cuts
[12:02:48] <Polymorphism> off to work, bbl. Maybe someone will see these msgs =D
[12:06:16] <Polymorphism> I'm still here!
[12:06:17] <Polymorphism> 0.05 millimeters is 0.0019685 inches.
[12:06:37] <Polymorphism> thats the claimed accuracy of the x6
[12:06:42] <Polymorphism> http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine
[12:06:58] <Polymorphism> .01mm claimed here (0.1 mm 0.0039 ″)
[12:07:13] <Polymorphism> oops
[12:07:23] <Polymorphism> 0.01 millimeters is 0.0003937 inches.
[12:07:59] <Polymorphism> so about half a thousandth? for the 6090 there, about .002 for that 6090 beast
[12:08:06] <archivist> they obviously ignore thermal expansion of the machine
[12:08:20] <Polymorphism> raptor machine claims 0.00025 accuracy
[12:08:27] <Polymorphism> not that I need that...
[12:08:38] <Polymorphism> looking up 6040 claim now
[12:08:57] <archivist> take those claims and shove them where the sun dont shine
[12:09:13] <Polymorphism> xD
[12:10:01] <Polymorphism> 6040 claims
[12:10:01] <Polymorphism> Resetting accuracy:
[12:10:02] <Polymorphism>
[12:10:02] <Polymorphism> 0.05mm
[12:10:10] <Polymorphism> "engraving accuracy" better than 0.04mm (has been tested)
[12:10:16] <Polymorphism> has been tested =D
[12:10:43] <Polymorphism> 0.04 millimeters is 0.0015748 inches.
[12:11:17] <Polymorphism> I think I need to be careful not to confuse mechanical position accuracy resetting accuracy engraving accuracy specs etc
[12:11:35] <SpeedEvil> And lies.
[12:11:56] <Polymorphism> @_@ that too
[12:12:00] <archivist> some are downright lies
[12:12:13] <Polymorphism> I'll try to find some real world tests people have done
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[12:13:00] <enleth> Polymorphism: it's like car mileages
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[12:13:23] <Polymorphism> I think maybe I can only trust the raptor claims, if even those
[12:13:33] <Tom_itx> trust noone
[12:13:41] <enleth> with a professional driver, on a controlled track, on high quality fuel - sure it might go that long
[12:13:44] <archivist> lies it uses a c6 spec screw Accuracy/Repeatability: 0.01mm
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[12:13:52] <TurBoss> hi
[12:13:56] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310562732677
[12:13:58] <enleth> but in real life, it's much worse
[12:14:50] <Tom_itx> go visit your undertaker.
[12:15:00] <Tom_itx> if you want better accuracy
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[12:17:04] <_methods> jesus is this still going on
[12:17:34] <Polymorphism> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pk0AAOSwHgVW77ne/s-l300.jpg http://www.8020cnc.com/images/alu_engrave1_large.jpg if the 6040 can do this with this level of accuracy
[12:17:38] <Polymorphism> I think I will just get that and be done!
[12:17:44] <Polymorphism> but only if it will be that clean
[12:17:48] <Polymorphism> I dont want sloppy lettering
[12:18:06] <Polymorphism> as I'm new to cnc I'm not aware of just how accurate even a bad machine may be
[12:18:08] <jdh> buy it
[12:18:27] <_methods> maybe we could ponder on this some more
[12:19:14] <Tom_itx> _methods, i'm not jesus but yes it is
[12:19:22] <_methods> hahah
[12:19:50] <_methods> i thought my wife was irritating when she couldn't decide where she wanted to eat
[12:19:56] <Tom_itx> and if he spoke to you here i'd be impressed
[12:20:06] <XXCoder> _methods: remember that lathe guy?
[12:20:17] <XXCoder> that guys why I made /pee macro
[12:20:18] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[12:20:52] <Tom_itx> _methods i go thru the same 'food' battle every time. it's ultimately up to me to decide
[12:21:25] <_methods> yeah
[12:21:30] <jdh> 10 suggrstions she shoots down and she keeps saying I don't care
[12:21:36] <_methods> hahahah
[12:21:38] <_methods> exactly
[12:21:45] <_methods> shit is like that but going on for a week now
[12:22:19] <Tom_itx> then she gripes at me for ordering the same thing every time so we did a comparison and found so does she :D
[12:22:28] <_methods> hahah
[12:22:34] <jdh> nobody cares about your money except you
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[12:23:05] <Tom_itx> happy monday... i'm off.
[12:23:13] <XXCoder> its always easier to spend other people money
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[12:24:14] <TurBoss> Hi
[12:24:28] <TurBoss> who mantains psha repo?
[12:24:31] <Tom_itx> _methods, it just takes her a bit longer on the menu to decide the same thing...
[12:24:34] <TurBoss> key has expired
[12:24:57] <_methods> my wife gets teh same thing every time too
[12:25:12] <Tom_itx> and she probably won't admit it
[12:25:24] <_methods> nah she will admit that one
[12:25:34] <Tom_itx> later...
[12:25:56] <_methods> she just says, "well i guess i'll get my usual"
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[12:26:42] <jdh> mine sometimes asks the 17 yr old waitress which is better
[12:26:55] <jdh> wtf does she know what you like
[12:27:39] <_methods> hahaha
[12:31:35] <Polymorphism> www.cnczone.com/forums/chinese-machines/303334-cnc.html
[12:31:41] <MrSunshine_> hmm, how to get a hardened dowel out of a hole when you cant get it from the other side ... =)
[12:31:43] <Polymorphism> here is my post with where I'm at currently
[12:31:50] <Polymorphism> thanks again for the help
[12:31:55] <Polymorphism> getting closer to a decision here
[12:31:59] <_methods> lol
[12:32:14] <Polymorphism> back in 8 hours
[12:32:20] <_methods> can't wait
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[12:45:06] <archivist> MrSunshine_, any poking out?
[12:46:21] <_methods> how small is the dowel?
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[13:24:05] <jdh> I got a dowel pin puller from amazon
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[13:56:50] <archivist> and for other awkward hard stuck in blind hole stuff, a diamond burr and a dremel, just takes time
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[14:01:10] <JT-Shop> dang old hoe blew a hydraulic hose yesterday... 5 more look just like the one that blew ready any moment
[14:02:51] <_methods> you need to get some new hoes
[14:03:01] <_methods> lol
[14:06:45] <JT-Shop> I'd have to get 1000% more sales to afford a new hoe
[14:07:12] <_methods> pimpin ain't easy
[14:08:00] <witnit> MrSunshine_: where is the pin, can you chuck the part up in a mill?
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[14:16:32] <maxcnc> Hi all
[14:16:48] <maxcnc> big storm here
[14:18:14] <maxcnc> JT-Shop: more advertising hels
[14:18:28] <maxcnc> helps
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[14:44:26] <jdh> 1000% more work, less time to spend out ho'ing
[14:45:10] <jdh> JT: ever get the roadbike out?
[14:48:26] <archivist> he broke it recently
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[15:22:55] <witnit> anyone recognize this brand of machine?
http://images.craigslist.org/00G0G_11bHejUT9gP_600x450.jpg
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[15:25:50] <archivist> listed as a jig borer ?
[15:25:57] <_methods> yeah it's an old jig bore
[15:26:03] <witnit> more or less
[15:26:04] <_methods> but what brand i have no idea
[15:26:41] <witnit> https://muncie.craigslist.org/bfs/5488813883.html
[15:26:46] <archivist> http://www.1stmachineryauctions.com/lots/newall-jig-borer-with-tooling-and-dro-rotary-table
[15:26:49] <CaptHindsight> brand old
[15:26:51] <witnit> all it shows
[15:27:29] <archivist> worth the price :)
[15:30:02] <_methods> might be a pratt and whitney
[15:30:06] <_methods> i don't think it's a moore
[15:31:33] <CaptHindsight> this one is listed at $1
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/5503310184.html
[15:31:51] <CaptHindsight> Make offer
[15:32:59] <Jymmm> and bring kevlar vest
[15:33:11] <archivist> a SIP
[15:34:08] <archivist> I wish they went that cheap over here
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[15:40:50] <CaptHindsight> on todays edition of Guess That Tool:
http://images.craigslist.org/00C0C_75HCBceyg0F_600x450.jpg http://images.craigslist.org/00s0s_alVaGqaHORy_600x450.jpg
[15:41:16] <Jymmm> manual drill press
[15:41:30] <CaptHindsight> https://southbend.craigslist.org/tls/5502984947.html
[15:41:58] <CaptHindsight> yeah, but this one was mounted specifically for drilling into beams
[15:42:25] <Jymmm> I think they all were.
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[16:06:58] <CaptHindsight> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tls/5503363798.html no price
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[16:26:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUI-SEIKI-VERTICAL-CNC-MACHINING-CENTER-/401048842728 $2900 or best
[16:26:25] <MrSunshine_> witnit: it wasnt hardened .. drilled it out =)
[16:26:42] <MrSunshine_> only thing i needed to save was the screw so =)
[16:26:53] <witnit> ha I almost asked you to check for that
[16:27:07] <witnit> or even case hardened
[16:29:19] <MrSunshine_> https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t34.0-12/12919300_10154050769728648_589695719_n.jpg?oh=6d7e5fa231cfe59a7771ad01670472ba&oe=56FB7643
[16:29:29] <MrSunshine_> https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t34.0-12/12910587_10154050769883648_1278856623_n.jpg?oh=c3ac074efcfeac8e2542db446a28c38a&oe=56FC3F9E
[16:29:39] <MrSunshine_> started to rebuild that vice to be more accurate =)
[16:30:07] <MrSunshine_> scraped bottom flat, milled the ways on it on all sides for some sliding later ... so far it diffs from front to back 0.02mm
[16:30:45] <MrSunshine_> and yes the small gauges etc is due to instability in the little X1 mill =)
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[16:35:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Milling-Machine/401087007288 Matsuura MC-1000V $1k or best
[16:35:46] <CaptHindsight> phoenix, az
[16:37:28] <CaptHindsight> Machine Weight 18,000 Lbs
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[17:12:06] <witnit> I wonder where a cheap source for finding these would be
https://youtu.be/yZ04iC3J6Mc?t=711
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[17:16:51] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: is here?
[17:16:58] <_methods> i hope not
[17:17:03] <Tom_itx> yeah let's
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[17:17:13] <Tom_itx> you just type faster
[17:17:17] <_methods> lol
[17:17:54] <pink_vampire> i need him.
[17:18:00] <Tom_itx> i don't
[17:18:05] <_methods> hahahah
[17:18:11] <_methods> i need him to go away
[17:18:16] <pink_vampire> lol
[17:18:24] <Tom_itx> take it to pm if it's not about linuxcnc
[17:18:36] <Tom_itx> or twitter
[17:18:39] <Tom_itx> facebook
[17:18:40] <Tom_itx> etc
[17:18:50] <pink_vampire> but he like to communicate
[17:19:06] <Tom_itx> and so do it
[17:19:18] <Tom_itx> but this channel is decated to a topic
[17:19:29] <djdelorie> or at least supposed to be...
[17:19:57] <Tom_itx> i'm sure we've all strayed a time or two but not page after page after page
[17:20:02] <_methods> i think everyone in here is pretty tolerant of off topic....... but 5 days of asking the same damn question over and over is just stupid
[17:20:06] <pink_vampire> why you are not like him?
[17:20:16] <Tom_itx> now you're misinterpreting
[17:20:19] <Tom_itx> i never said that
[17:20:23] <djdelorie> day after day of the same question, and our answers don't seem to change the questions...
[17:20:26] <djdelorie> that's not communication
[17:20:33] <_methods> ^^
[17:26:45] <archivist> I dont want any ranting from him for us telling him to get x, he has to make his own mind up
[17:27:09] <pink_vampire> ok.
[17:29:22] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, hi
[17:29:34] <pink_vampire> hi Polymorphism!
[17:29:52] <Polymorphism> I'm back for a bit during lunch
[17:29:59] <pink_vampire> i know that you are a google master.
[17:30:19] <Polymorphism> xD what are you trying to find?
[17:31:05] <pink_vampire> the impossible
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[17:31:43] <Polymorphism> lol
[17:32:19] <pink_vampire> do you have a wife?
[17:32:28] <Polymorphism> no
[17:32:35] <pink_vampire> gf?
[17:32:47] <Polymorphism> she cheated and is gone now
[17:32:51] <Polymorphism> !
[17:32:53] <Polymorphism> so no
[17:33:08] <pink_vampire> :(
[17:33:14] <Polymorphism> I just focus on school and work though, so its ok =)
[17:33:23] <Polymorphism> more time for that
[17:33:37] <pink_vampire> but you are not a girl?
[17:33:41] <Polymorphism> no
[17:33:47] <pink_vampire> :(
[17:33:51] <Polymorphism> @_@
[17:34:15] <Polymorphism> what are you trying to find with google?
[17:34:17] <Polymorphism> a wife?
[17:34:24] <pink_vampire> no.
[17:34:31] <Polymorphism> xD
[17:34:44] <Polymorphism> a new mill?
[17:35:30] <pink_vampire> no.. I don't really care about stuff like that.
[17:36:29] <CaptHindsight> it's mostly negative attention
[17:36:40] <CaptHindsight> thats why he keeps changing nicks
[17:36:42] <pink_vampire> but I like precision works, and I don't like free hand "art" work
[17:36:56] <Polymorphism> CaptHindsight, you're totally wrong
[17:37:04] <Polymorphism> I cant be on the same nick on my phone laptop and pc
[17:37:14] <Polymorphism> call me obsessive about this search
[17:37:16] <Polymorphism> but dont make things up
[17:37:26] <CaptHindsight> if it was a form of amnesia then he wouldn't play musical nicks
[17:37:26] <Polymorphism> I hide nothing
[17:37:33] <Polymorphism> I am encapsulation polymorphism and inheritance
[17:37:37] <Polymorphism> should be obvious
[17:37:38] <Polymorphism> all OOP
[17:37:45] <_methods> all POOP
[17:37:48] <Polymorphism> xD
[17:38:13] <Polymorphism> and like I said, I really do appreciate all of the help
[17:38:36] <Polymorphism> I'm not really asking the same questions, just really trying to be certain about this
[17:38:43] <Polymorphism> had I ordered 2 days ago, it would have been a different machine
[17:38:49] <Polymorphism> and I would have come to regret it
[17:38:52] <Polymorphism> that's how I am
[17:38:58] <Polymorphism> I need to be 100% on this
[17:39:03] <Polymorphism> I do this for everything actually...
[17:39:05] <Polymorphism> purchase I mean
[17:39:11] <_methods> no wonder your wife left
[17:39:17] <Polymorphism> thanks
[17:39:38] <Polymorphism> as long as I get the best machine for the money, I have no regrets about how long it takes to find what that is
[17:40:10] <Polymorphism> you can see my post I made on cnczone
[17:40:14] <CaptHindsight> and a couple of abuse victims in here that keep feeding him since they don't see it as negative behavior
[17:40:25] <pink_vampire> so I want to find a place / person that it's an expert in eyebrow shaping, one that can achieve the same high quality result each time.
[17:40:25] <Polymorphism> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/chinese-machines/303334-cnc.html
[17:40:38] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: you can help me fine it?
[17:41:05] <Polymorphism> thats tough, it depends where you live
[17:41:12] <pink_vampire> NY
[17:41:14] <Polymorphism> and you can't always trust online reviews
[17:41:19] <Polymorphism> especially yelp
[17:41:21] <Polymorphism> they are corrupt
[17:41:22] <pink_vampire> I know.
[17:41:34] <djdelorie> and that is *really* off-topic here, unless you plan on cnc'ing an eyebrow :-)
[17:41:44] <Polymorphism> lol
[17:41:51] <Polymorphism> use your cnc machine for the job
[17:41:56] <Polymorphism> but do you have enough z clearance....
[17:42:18] <Polymorphism> tweezing head in the spindle mount
[17:42:20] <Polymorphism> machine vision...
[17:42:22] <Polymorphism> this could work
[17:42:25] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: if you can do it.. I will go with that.
[17:42:30] <Polymorphism> http://opencv.org/
[17:42:50] <Polymorphism> OpenCV (Open Source Computer Vision Library) is an open source computer vision and machine learning software library. OpenCV was built to provide a common infrastructure for computer vision applications and to accelerate the use of machine perception in the commercial products. Being a BSD-licensed product, OpenCV makes it easy for businesses to utilize and modify the code.
[17:43:05] <Polymorphism> I plan on experimenting with this and the CNC
[17:43:09] <Polymorphism> machinging a camera mount
[17:43:10] <djdelorie> I meant like the other bits of anatomy you've cnc'd models of
[17:43:11] <pink_vampire> do you know how to programi t?
[17:43:17] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, I will be learning
[17:43:32] <Polymorphism> this library
[17:43:52] <pink_vampire> I'm not a programmer.
[17:44:31] <Polymorphism> capacative... touch detectionm?
[17:44:37] <Polymorphism> i
[17:44:42] <Polymorphism> -m
[17:44:45] <pink_vampire> eyebrows cost about 10-75$ each month
[17:44:59] <Polymorphism> eyebrows cost $1 tweezers
[17:45:05] <Polymorphism> but you want automatic, yes?
[17:45:26] <djdelorie> my eyebrows are free and they're always the same shape...
[17:45:33] <pink_vampire> and i can't find anyone that can do it the same each time.
[17:46:01] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: NO
[17:46:01] <Polymorphism> machine vision + cnc
[17:46:08] <Polymorphism> oh, ok
[17:47:43] <Polymorphism> I'm not sure then
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[17:58:24] <Polymorphism> 950 / 600 = 1.58
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[17:58:39] <Polymorphism> 540 / 360 = 1.5
[17:59:00] <Polymorphism> 580 / 400 = 1.45
[17:59:25] <Polymorphism> 762 / 317.5 = 2.4
[17:59:34] <Polymorphism> I found a new way to compare the machines
[17:59:38] <Polymorphism> the aspect ratio of the bed
[17:59:48] <Polymorphism> perhaps there is another term for it
[18:00:15] <Polymorphism> the raptor is the most rectangular of any bed
[18:00:44] <Polymorphism> you know what
[18:00:51] <Polymorphism> I'm making a google sheet, I'll just link that
[18:00:55] <Polymorphism> brb
[18:01:07] <archivist> it does not matter, jobs fit or they dont
[18:02:40] <Polymorphism> I'll be working more with objects closer to squares though
[18:02:57] <Polymorphism> so the raptor would have to be radically higher production quality for me to give up that work area in the x
[18:03:04] <Polymorphism> which I would do, if it is
[18:03:16] <Polymorphism> I only want to make a guitar as a bonus
[18:03:47] <Polymorphism> what I really need is SMD accurate PCBS and engraving so clean you cant tell its not a professional job
[18:03:58] <Polymorphism> and also clean routing of 2-4mm al sheet
[18:04:08] <Polymorphism> with a work height of ~4" max
[18:04:11] <archivist> minimum dimension matters, aspect ration hardly at all
[18:04:21] <cpresser> Polymorphism: define SMD.. what pitch?
[18:04:55] <Polymorphism> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_Flat_Package
[18:04:59] <Polymorphism> probably no smaller than this
[18:05:03] <Polymorphism> and I want it to be CLEAN
[18:05:04] * cpresser does nothing smaller than 0.5mm on the mill. and double sided is pita as well
[18:05:09] <Polymorphism> I just watched a youtube video of someone milling a pcb
[18:05:13] <Polymorphism> it was 50 likes
[18:05:15] <Polymorphism> 2 dislikes
[18:05:17] <cpresser> well, QFN come in different pitch sizes
[18:05:19] <Polymorphism> but when I looked at the end and paused
[18:05:24] <Polymorphism> the holes werent even!!!
[18:05:28] <Polymorphism> the further to the edge, the more off they were
[18:05:34] <Polymorphism> they almost woulkdnt have functioned near the edge of the board
[18:05:37] <Polymorphism> I can't have that...
[18:05:46] <Polymorphism> 1.27mm pitch
[18:05:54] <Polymorphism> .4
[18:05:56] <Polymorphism> spacing
[18:06:05] <Polymorphism> .4mm spacing
[18:06:12] <cpresser> thats okay for milling.
[18:06:21] <Polymorphism> even with a cheap 6040?
[18:06:26] <cpresser> most likely
[18:06:50] <cpresser> mounting the workpiece it the difficult part
[18:07:07] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz4LCIJyd2A&t=8m0s
[18:07:32] <Polymorphism> pause at
[18:07:36] <Polymorphism> 7:45 to 7:49
[18:07:41] <Polymorphism> "could have done a little better with the drill holes
[18:07:44] <Polymorphism> theyre rubbish
[18:07:49] <Polymorphism> on the right side
[18:07:53] <Polymorphism> everywhere really
[18:07:58] <cpresser> i personally dont think its worth my time making double-sided boards on the mill.
[18:08:14] <cpresser> china manufacturers do way better boards for a few bucks
[18:08:17] <Polymorphism> why is it off by so much there?
[18:08:26] <Polymorphism> which mill do you use?
[18:08:32] <archivist> because china mill
[18:08:37] <Polymorphism> the raptor mill creator says
[18:08:42] <Polymorphism> 1/4 of .001 accuracy I can expect
[18:08:49] <Polymorphism> is that possible?
[18:08:51] <archivist> ignore the salesman!
[18:09:03] <Polymorphism> we spoke on the phone, why would he lie about that
[18:09:09] <Polymorphism> it seems like the whole business is just him
[18:09:13] <_methods> is it possible you'll quit simpering on about this
[18:09:16] <_methods> probably not
[18:09:36] <Polymorphism> what did that add to the discussion?
[18:09:48] <Polymorphism> I'm at the p oint now where I understand the technology enough I know better what I need
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[18:09:50] <CaptHindsight> it's not about the MILL it's about the ATTENTION
[18:09:57] <Polymorphism> and I'm concerned about the precision//accuracy of these mills
[18:10:01] <_methods> lol
[18:10:14] <_methods> this guy must be shaun413
[18:10:18] <Polymorphism> you're saying if you pay attention to the details, you can acheive a similar result with most mills?
[18:10:24] <Polymorphism> its more the operator than the machine?
[18:10:29] <shaun413> what?
[18:10:31] <CaptHindsight> give that man a prize
[18:10:33] <_methods> oh jesus
[18:10:38] * archivist smashes the tape recorder, keeps saying the same thing
[18:10:57] <shaun413> u pinged?
[18:11:00] <_methods> no
[18:11:01] <_methods> go away
[18:11:01] <Polymorphism> .00025
[18:11:06] <cpresser> when you jump up and down next to your mill, the dial indicator will wobble by > 0.1mm.
[18:11:08] <shaun413> very well
[18:11:23] <cpresser> at least for simple desktop mills
[18:11:36] <_methods> isn't Jymmm admin
[18:11:39] <shaun413> get something old and solid
[18:11:43] <Polymorphism> ...
[18:11:44] <shaun413> then cnc it
[18:11:47] <Polymorphism> why are people trolling me...
[18:11:51] <Polymorphism> I have some specialty uses...
[18:11:52] <_methods> says the troll
[18:11:53] <shaun413> what.
[18:11:54] <Polymorphism> I want to cut very small pcbs
[18:12:02] <shaun413> then get it outsourced
[18:12:03] <Polymorphism> populated with many components
[18:12:06] <Polymorphism> no I cant do that.
[18:12:10] <shaun413> why would you mill a pcb...
[18:12:13] <shaun413> etch it
[18:12:16] <Not-Renny> Do it with a craft knife Polymorphism
[18:12:26] <djdelorie> Polymorphism: because it's more fun to troll you than to answer the same off-topic questions for five days in a row
[18:12:26] <Jymmm> _methods: ?
[18:12:46] <Polymorphism> I asked a new question
[18:12:55] <_methods> Jymmm: booooot them
[18:12:55] <Polymorphism> I'm trying to understand accuracy
[18:13:07] <Jymmm> _methods: who?
[18:13:12] <djdelorie> does your new question have anything to do with linuxcnc, or are you still trying to pick a machine to buy?
[18:13:13] <_methods> broken record
[18:13:20] <_methods> polyquestion
[18:13:34] <Polymorphism> well as soon as I get the machine, I will be using linuxcnc
[18:13:35] <Not-Renny> What is that fact, accuracy and precision are not the same thing?
[18:13:42] <Polymorphism> they are different
[18:13:48] <Polymorphism> ?
[18:13:52] <Polymorphism> yes
[18:14:15] <Jymmm> Polymorphism: linuxcnc does NOT support USB interfaces. As I recall most things you have mentioned are USB
[18:14:19] <CaptHindsight> Polygalaynoteis, Polylaptopism, Polymorphisim, Encapsulation etc etc
[18:14:26] <Polymorphism> Jymmm, they are all parallel ready
[18:14:32] <Polymorphism> and if not, with a simple 5 dollar wire in mod
[18:14:35] <Polymorphism> no problem there
[18:14:41] <Polymorphism> USB will just be a bonus
[18:14:41] <Jymmm> Not
[18:14:43] <Polymorphism> I'm going to wire it for both
[18:15:00] <Polymorphism> with selector switch
[18:15:09] <Jymmm> Polymorphism: Well, as it stands, you are annoying folks, so it might be best to chill out a bit
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[18:15:52] <Jymmm> *POOF*
[18:15:58] <_methods> thx Jymmm
[18:15:59] <djdelorie> +1 Jymmm :-)
[18:15:59] <Jymmm> was it soemthing I said?
[18:16:16] <CaptHindsight> wack-a-mole
[18:16:22] <Jymmm> Oh yeah, I almost forgot...
[18:16:32] -!- mode/#linuxcnc [+o Jymmm] by ChanServ
[18:16:36] <Jymmm> Hi!
[18:16:37] <_methods> look out
[18:16:41] -!- mode/#linuxcnc [-o Jymmm] by ChanServ
[18:17:45] <archivist> it is like a guy walking into a Rolls Royce garage asking the salesman which ford to get :)
[18:17:56] <_methods> that was a painful 5 days
[18:18:12] <Jymmm> the blue one with redneck gunrack!
[18:18:37] <Not-Renny> 5 days?
[18:18:53] <_methods> yes that has been going on for 5 days now
[18:19:01] <CaptHindsight> my ignore list was never so long
[18:19:03] <_methods> that clown asking the same questions over and over
[18:19:35] <Not-Renny> I see.
[18:20:50] <jdh> It's a difficult decision, but he is the only one that cares
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[18:21:28] <Not-Renny> Speaking of repeating questions... Just to clarify, is it un-economical to build a whole little machine for grinding lenses, or is it a better idea to use a lathe?
[18:21:37] <CaptHindsight> the worst thing to happen is that you don't like it and resell it
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[18:21:48] <Polymorphism> so what is engraving accuracy vs repeating accuracy?
[18:21:55] <_methods> oh jesus
[18:21:59] <Polymorphism> I need to add .03mm spindle runout either way
[18:22:02] <CaptHindsight> so you lose a few hundred $ tops, well worth the lessons
[18:22:14] <Polymorphism> I'm making the excel spreadsheet
[18:22:30] <CaptHindsight> or you learn how to fix it
[18:22:44] <archivist> Not-Renny, the accuracy needed for lenses rather high
[18:23:15] <Not-Renny> So, it's best to design something to work on a much higher order of magnitude of accuracy?
[18:23:17] <CaptHindsight> Not-Renny: I see lathes for that on ebay often
[18:23:38] <archivist> use something made for the job
[18:23:52] <CaptHindsight> another approach is to print lenses using photopolymers
[18:23:57] <Polymorphism> Mechanical Resolution： XYZ-axis : 0.0025 mm/step Positioning accuracy： 0.05mm
[18:24:01] <Polymorphism> does only the larger number matter?
[18:24:04] <_methods> don't they usually grind lenses in a grinding jib?
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[18:24:16] <_methods> jig even
[18:24:22] <CaptHindsight> yes, grinder
[18:24:28] <_methods> not in a lathe?
[18:24:31] <Not-Renny> Hm.
[18:24:34] <Polymorphism> Not-Renny, we both need high accuracy
[18:24:48] <Not-Renny> Lol
[18:24:56] <CaptHindsight> similar mechanism, but grind vs cut
[18:24:58] <_methods> ahh you got a new friend
[18:25:25] <Not-Renny> archivist, I don't really need a lens grinder anytime soon, I just think it would be fun to build one.
[18:25:25] <Polymorphism> http://www.diffen.com/difference/Accuracy_vs_Precision
[18:25:30] <Polymorphism> I need both accuracy and precision
[18:25:30] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Autoflow-Engineering-LTD-3173-Optical-Glass-Lens-Polishing-Lathe-/152003374177
[18:26:11] <Polymorphism> that lathe is a bargain
[18:26:15] <_methods> so they polish in the lathe?
[18:26:20] <CaptHindsight> so grinding lathe
[18:26:29] <Polymorphism> and they will take less
[18:27:03] <CaptHindsight> grind >1um, polish <1um
[18:27:13] * _methods knows absolutely nothing about lens making
[18:27:56] <Polymorphism> I have a serious question,
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/YWMAAOSw8d9UyYZi/s-l1600.jpg
[18:28:03] <archivist> I have a lens periphery grinding machine rusting away in the garden
[18:28:05] <Polymorphism> how is that round rail any worse than a flat rail like HG20?
[18:28:08] <Polymorphism> it looks fully supported
[18:28:11] <Polymorphism> underneath
[18:28:24] <CaptHindsight> well it's mostly by elves and Santas other slaves
[18:28:27] <cradek> archivist: the machine for edging eyeglass blanks?
[18:28:35] <djdelorie> linuxcnc doesn't care what shape the rails are
[18:28:59] <archivist> cradek, yes one of those
[18:29:01] <Not-Renny> This makes me cry, archivist.
[18:29:10] <Jymmm> Not-Renny: Try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFrVdoOhu1Q
[18:29:27] <cradek> archivist: have any photos of it?
[18:29:38] <archivist> no
[18:29:43] <cradek> darn
[18:29:49] <Jymmm> Not-Renny: 1micron
[18:29:59] <Polymorphism> I'll wait for Loetmichel2 he knows these things
[18:30:09] <Polymorphism> he does nice work
[18:30:10] <cradek> I wonder how it was done. I rough mine on the mill and then cut the bevels by hand, and it's hit-or-miss.
[18:30:35] <cradek> the old polished ones are really beautiful compared to what I accomplish
[18:30:46] <archivist> cradek, has a v wheel and a follower for the shape
[18:31:21] <cradek> well that sounds easy, but only one grit?
[18:31:39] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/SPl2cgm0Q-Y?t=1m9s Ultra-high Precision Grinder
[18:31:42] <archivist> as far as I know only one grit
[18:31:52] <cradek> many old lenses have the edges finished as well as the optical surfaces
[18:32:15] <cradek> ... and some look like they were done on concrete
[18:32:16] <djdelorie> cradek: clickspring's youtube videos talk about polishing metals; he uses tin plates with diamond dust paste on them
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[18:33:01] <cradek> djdelorie: getting it polished is easy - getting it the right shape and size and polished all at once is harder
[18:33:04] <CaptHindsight> _methods: damn
[18:33:11] <_methods> CaptHindsight: what?
[18:35:47] <jthornton> mmm this is some good sauerkraut
[18:36:17] <_methods> lol
[18:37:45] <Jymmm> jthornton: "Tastes just like chicken!"
[18:38:14] <_methods> i picked these things up at auction in an old toolbox
[18:38:16] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dxazxfjvs3sbbka/2016-03-28%2014.28.19.jpg?dl=0
[18:38:29] <_methods> lens measuring thingie magjigs
[18:39:03] <_methods> i only know that because it says lens measure
[18:39:45] <cradek> yep that's a sagitta gauge, marked in diopters
[18:40:05] <cradek> that one is weirdly huge. the little one looks normal
[18:40:12] <_methods> yeah i have no idea what they're supposed to measure
[18:40:21] <_methods> i assumed lenses lol
[18:40:26] <cradek> diopters of an optical surface
[18:40:29] <_methods> or how to use them lol
[18:40:31] <cradek> pretty much, the radius of curvature
[18:40:40] <cradek> you poke them against the lens and read the number
[18:40:47] <_methods> i think i could handle that
[18:40:49] <_methods> hahaha
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[18:41:06] <_methods> now i just need to make some lenses apparently
[18:41:09] <CaptHindsight> heh, he built an automated hand lapper for optics
https://youtu.be/eMDHA8IE014?t=3m19s
[18:41:47] <cradek> like if you poke the front and read +2 and the back reads -4, the lens is -2 diopter sphere
[18:42:07] <cradek> assuming it's the right index (they are surely calibrated for crown glass)
[18:42:16] <cradek> otherwise correct accordingly
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[18:42:43] <_methods> i highly doubt i'll ever be making my own lenses for anything
[18:43:04] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjUcBWYVF9s To a Billionth of a Meter: Go Inside a Telescope Mirror Factory
[18:43:27] <gregcnc> make your own invisaligns
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/03/18/college-student-3-d-printed-his-own-braces-to-save-money.html
[18:44:33] <pink_vampire> I'm looking for way covers.
[18:44:56] <archivist> the other way of measuring dioptre
http://redsunhyq.en.made-in-china.com/product/QeLxvMNYZbrF/China-Optical-Equipment-Diopter-Lens-Meter-NJC-6A-.html
[18:45:03] <Loetmichel2> *MAAN* now i am pissed. Thats the way to spend an evening. Searching for the leak in the waterbeds bladder (900 liters of water to shove around) while have a freshly stiched palm laceration... fun times :-( ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16197 http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16200
[18:45:08] <pink_vampire> but I want them to be thin.
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[18:45:43] <djdelorie> pink_vampire: formica laminate at Home Depot?
[18:46:07] <Not-Renny> Jymmm, that was a very inspirational video.
[18:46:32] <cradek> yeah it's always done optically today. these sag gauges were useful as quick checks back when all lenses were the same material/index.
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[18:46:52] <cradek> you can also neutralize with test lenses, which works independent of index
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[18:47:40] <CaptHindsight> printing lenses allows to to vary the refractive index of the lens without changing its shape
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[18:48:01] <cradek> I don't see how... that is a property of the material
[18:48:24] <CaptHindsight> yes, the material can change every layer, say 1um layers or less
[18:48:25] <archivist> graded index lens is a funky device
[18:49:10] <archivist> the OKI laser printer had a row of them to image the LEDs onto the drum
[18:49:25] <CaptHindsight> photopolymers with slightly different RI for each layer...
[18:49:37] <cradek> wow
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[18:49:52] <Not-Renny> Sounds expensive.
[18:50:19] <Jymmm> Not-Renny: Now, start your ebay shopping for parts =)
[18:50:31] <Not-Renny> :P
[18:50:42] * Not-Renny checks the junkyard first
[18:51:07] <Not-Renny> So it turns out we get granite countertop pretty often at our makerspace.
[18:51:21] <CaptHindsight> you can start out say at 1.30 and then end at 1.7 by slowly mixing the two
[18:51:57] <CaptHindsight> 100:1 and work your way to 1:100
[18:52:46] <cradek> wow, so you can get a range of powers with the surfaces matching (thin cosmetically-ideal lens)
[18:52:47] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: in homedepot??????
[18:53:02] <cradek> you could do cylinder or multifocal that way too
[18:53:06] <CaptHindsight> now smooth do they typically get granite counter tops?
[18:53:11] <djdelorie> that's where I got the laminate for my router table
[18:53:15] <CaptHindsight> now/how
[18:53:34] <CaptHindsight> i know it will vary, has anyone measured?
[18:53:53] <pink_vampire> I want that style
http://www.dynatect.com/uploads/images/Bellows_ShapeWay2.jpg
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[18:54:27] <Not-Renny> Apparently it is very small.
[18:54:28] <Jymmm> djdelorie: junkyard?
[18:54:41] * Not-Renny could honestly just get some plate glass instead
[18:55:20] * Jymmm takes the automatic center punch to Not-Renny's glass =)
[18:55:37] <Not-Renny> :P
[18:56:02] <CaptHindsight> t12: One of Silicon Valley’s Most Esteemed VCs Says Start-ups Are “Mostly Crap”
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/chamath-palihapitiya-interview-says-start-ups-are-mostly-crap
[18:56:09] * Not-Renny is actually thinking about annealing all the useless tempered glass at the makerspace
[18:56:50] <archivist> CaptHindsight, I could measure a granite tile I got, probably has a similar polish
[18:57:04] <archivist> this one
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_11_07_Drive_gear/IMG_1400.JPG
[18:57:31] <t12> agree
[18:57:36] <t12> i mean thats a given
[18:57:40] <archivist> I got it because the store roof reflection was good
[18:57:44] <t12> and non news
[18:59:44] <Not-Renny> Is it bad that the only reason I want a 4 axis CNC mill is because I want to make things that make things?
[19:00:28] <_methods> isn't that why all of us get cnc's?
[19:00:34] <_methods> to make things that make things
[19:01:08] <Not-Renny> Okay, so it's not a bad thing. Cool.
[19:01:22] * Not-Renny is glad he is not alone, as he feels so, so alone
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[19:01:47] <t12> lol wtf at the maggot comment
[19:04:24] <gregcnc> I tried to find specs for countertop granite a while back, but they nobody actually specs it.
[19:04:36] <_methods> isn't the bottom usually unfinished?
[19:04:45] <CaptHindsight> t12: "He's making a ton of money, while saying that people are overpaying him for crap he bought earlier for less. Of course, he's still selling it to them."
[19:04:49] <gregcnc> saw cut
[19:05:29] <t12> also boo at the apple/fbi commentary at the end
[19:05:50] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I think the spec is : this size +/- 16th" and polished
[19:05:57] <t12> well presented in his part but a lot of bs
[19:06:05] <gregcnc> right, but for flatness no such thing
[19:06:14] <t12> trying to project the idea that founders are to blame for dog and pony showing it
[19:06:49] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: "customer should not notice any bumps or bowing"
[19:06:59] <t12> meanwhile, if thata what they finance, thats what theyre going ti get
[19:07:50] <SpeedEvil> 'Subtle ripple texture is a free extra'
[19:08:02] <CaptHindsight> do they make counters 2" thick or are they closer to 1" and then they glue edges on?
[19:09:06] <gregcnc> if you really want they will glue two slabs together
[19:09:44] <CaptHindsight> lots of 2cm vs 3cm discussions
[19:09:46] <archivist> CaptHindsight, 2-4 microinches with excursions to about 8
[19:10:01] <gregcnc> yeha i remember there were two sizes
[19:10:08] <archivist> old mitutoyo surftest III
[19:10:16] <CaptHindsight> <8 microinches
[19:10:32] <archivist> ish, being as hand dragged
[19:10:45] <gregcnc> i was invovled in a project that was going to build a granite top edger before they company folded
[19:10:47] <archivist> and uncalibrated
[19:11:15] <CaptHindsight> 0.2um
[19:11:31] <CaptHindsight> thats good enough for DIY machines
[19:12:14] <CaptHindsight> but thick slabs are rare
[19:12:15] <archivist> I was surprised at how straight the reflection was, no wave effect
[19:12:16] <gregcnc> you could lap it better if you wanted?
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[19:13:00] <CaptHindsight> maybe stack 2
[19:13:08] <archivist> 8" granite table place mat it was sold as
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[19:13:43] <archivist> so not very thick about 10mm
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[19:14:11] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if any of the suppliers can cut them square
[19:14:28] <t12> i ordered a albrecht sensitive chucj adapter thing
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[19:14:35] <t12> i wonder how it will be
[19:14:44] <archivist> this is a square tile
[19:14:45] <CaptHindsight> was thinking about a granite surface plate with iron slots on top
[19:14:46] <_methods> if it's albrecht i'm sure it will be just fine
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[19:15:03] <t12> ya
[19:15:16] <t12> that is my hope
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[19:15:31] <CaptHindsight> if they were made square and flat that could be the base for low cost and accurate routers and small mills
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[19:15:59] <archivist> yup
[19:16:44] <archivist> thickness is the main problem
[19:17:13] <archivist> unless one does as that lathe maker did on youtooooob
[19:18:15] <archivist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFrVdoOhu1Q
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[19:19:52] <CaptHindsight> the problem is the alignment
[19:20:12] <CaptHindsight> how much the DIYers does vs what you do for them
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[19:26:09] <CaptHindsight> granite base with iron t-slot with rails already mounted and squared
[19:26:45] <CaptHindsight> guess you could also just have an iron t-slot base with rails already mounted as well
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[19:27:34] <CaptHindsight> precast gantry with pins for alignment
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[19:28:11] <CaptHindsight> the DIYer would still have to do the final assembly and alignment
[19:30:07] <CaptHindsight> results would range from "worked like a charm" to "no matter how much I hammered I could not get the parts to fit the way I wanted"
[19:31:01] <archivist> typical Ikea builder then :)
[19:34:17] <CaptHindsight> pins will get them close
[19:34:57] <CaptHindsight> could be lower cost if the user could cast the parts
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[19:35:16] <CaptHindsight> but I think I would be expecting way too much from them
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[19:37:41] <CaptHindsight> and then there is shipping
[19:37:56] * Tom_itx reads the same backlogs he's been reading the past 5 days
[19:38:20] <CaptHindsight> limit each box to no more than 70lbs for UPS, FEDEX, DHL etc
[19:38:37] <Tom_itx> good thing his timezone timed out or something...
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[19:40:33] <Tom_itx> mill in a bucket... send a bucket of exoxy-granite with instructions
[19:41:18] <archivist> ther'es hole in mah bukket dear liza
[19:41:21] <CaptHindsight> 12 x 18 x 3 surface plate is 75lbs
[19:41:39] <Tom_itx> shipping is the killer
[19:42:36] <Tom_itx> then china would be onto your idea and you'd be out of business
[19:42:37] <SpeedEvil> pallet shipping can be not too bad
[19:42:39] <CaptHindsight> if it's all on one pallet then by truck it's ~$200 to just about anywhere in the USA
[19:43:06] <CaptHindsight> I'd be happy if China would copy it
[19:43:23] <CaptHindsight> finally some good machines
[19:43:38] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, are you here
[19:43:43] <CaptHindsight> only they would ship curvy bumpy crap
[19:43:44] <pink_vampire> yes
[19:43:59] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, granite coutertop is probably too thin?
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[19:44:50] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: 2" counter with 1" iron t-slot on top would work
[19:45:13] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire,
https://goo.gl/1QH5N2
[19:45:14] <Polymorphism> I made this
[19:45:20] <Polymorphism> maybe it will help
[19:45:38] <CaptHindsight> maybe iron t-slot with side rails and you pour the base at your home
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[19:50:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Welding-cast-iron-surface-plate_60196084854.html
[19:50:48] <CaptHindsight> or source pre-ground iron plate in the USA
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[19:50:56] <CaptHindsight> cut your own slots
[19:51:53] <CaptHindsight> making the form is easy
[19:52:21] <CaptHindsight> say 70cm x 50cm
[19:52:49] <CaptHindsight> Chicago still has a couple local foundries that can handle that
[19:53:21] <_methods> is there no money at all in casting machine bases?
[19:53:22] <CaptHindsight> have to surface grind and cut slot
[19:53:34] <_methods> or even making quality machines?
[19:53:48] <_methods> i'm guessing if there was any money in it people would be doing it
[19:53:56] <CaptHindsight> it tough since few know the difference anymore
[19:54:40] <_methods> i guess there isn't much market for it anymore
[19:54:44] <_methods> everyone is flippin burgers
[19:54:45] <CaptHindsight> keiling still sells lots of ChinaCo routers since the buyers don't seem to mind the poor quality
[19:55:06] <_methods> no one manufactures anything anymore
[19:55:13] <jdh> I do
[19:55:43] <_methods> well i'm assuming most people in here do
[19:55:46] <_methods> but as a whole
[19:55:52] <CaptHindsight> router in a bucket is a good idea, but I just don't see the DIY skills being there today
[19:55:57] <_methods> this service based economy has taken over
[19:56:21] <_methods> shop isn't taught in school anymore
[19:56:55] <CaptHindsight> sell all the bearings, screws, motors as a kit but how will they be able to get the castings right?
[19:57:08] <CaptHindsight> I thought about selling the forms
[19:57:11] <_methods> if someone made a quality bench lathe/mill/shaper i'd buy one for sure
[19:57:17] <Jymmm> And... it's snowing
[19:57:33] <_methods> get out of the freezer Jymmm
[19:57:47] <CaptHindsight> sell everything except for the granite chips and dust
[19:58:28] <CaptHindsight> _methods: you could cast it but most of the noobs that ask in here i don't think so
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[19:58:40] <_methods> my old atlas lathe is a POS but it's still better than anything you can buy nowadays in that size range
[19:58:41] <CaptHindsight> they would be upset that it came out wrong
[19:59:00] <Loetmichel2> POS?
[19:59:10] <_methods> piece of shit
[19:59:39] <jdh> what size atlas?
[19:59:39] <Tom_itx> piece of sunshine
[19:59:44] <_methods> TH-42
[19:59:46] <_methods> 42"
[20:00:00] <jdh> big one
[20:00:02] <CaptHindsight> heh why I always laugh since it's also used for "Point of Sale" which is typically POS software and hardware
[20:00:03] <_methods> it's does what i need it to
[20:00:09] <Tom_itx> _methods how big is your atlas?
[20:00:18] <_methods> TH-42
[20:00:21] <Tom_itx> mine is the old small sears one
[20:00:22] <_methods> 42"
[20:00:26] <jdh> It's 81 and sunny here
[20:00:31] <Tom_itx> maybe the same?
[20:00:33] <_methods> i think 10x42
[20:00:42] <Tom_itx> mine isn't 10
[20:00:54] <jdh> twss
[20:01:03] <_methods> i'll replace it once i find a good south bend for cheap
[20:01:12] <_methods> or something better
[20:01:21] <_methods> but i'm patient
[20:01:28] <_methods> i'll hit something at auction sooner or later
[20:01:42] <CaptHindsight> andy made his own forms and got them cast for <$200
[20:01:50] <_methods> i scored that brown and sharpe #2 universal for $100
[20:01:53] <Tom_itx> saw them
[20:01:58] <CaptHindsight> well he also had to finish machine them
[20:02:15] <_methods> yeah if we had a big grinder here at work i'd just try and get my own cast
[20:02:22] <_methods> and build from scratch
[20:02:59] <_methods> but all we have is little 8x24 grinder
[20:03:10] <_methods> doesn't even have power feed
[20:03:17] <_methods> so F that
[20:03:29] <CaptHindsight> if you setup a surface grinder and mill to just flatten and cut slot 24/7 ...
[20:04:13] <CaptHindsight> what could you make an 18 x 24 plate for?
[20:04:22] <_methods> 8x24
[20:04:29] <_methods> i wish 18
[20:05:12] <CaptHindsight> lost foam would be easy
[20:06:09] <CaptHindsight> even a cast iorn t-slot table would be a big improvement over the aluminum in the ChinaCo
[20:06:24] <CaptHindsight> and cast the gantry
[20:08:18] <archivist> CaptHindsight, just measured flatness of that granite, it is not, 3 thou or worse
[20:08:26] <_methods> ouch
[20:08:50] <enleth> Have you seen mills in which the plane of what you'd call the machine's table surface wasn't parallel to the ground?
[20:09:06] <_methods> like a horizontal mill?
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[20:10:06] <CaptHindsight> cast the base and gantry and make them so they are the form for the granite as well
[20:11:06] <CaptHindsight> so even if the granite epoxy job is poor it doesn't effect the assembly and alignment
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[20:11:45] <CaptHindsight> it will just have voids or high sports to knock down
[20:11:53] <CaptHindsight> sports/spots
[20:12:00] <witnit> i liked sports better
[20:12:04] <CaptHindsight> hehe
[20:12:12] <witnit> with an accent
[20:12:20] <_methods> like beer pong
[20:12:47] <witnit> >.>
[20:12:50] <witnit> <.<
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[20:13:13] <_methods> what other sports are there to play while you're high
[20:13:18] <enleth> _methods: table surface, not spindle
[20:13:25] <_methods> hacky sack
[20:14:07] <_methods> well in a horizontal the table isn't parallel to the ground
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[20:14:29] <enleth> _methods: I was just wondering about the naming - a "vertical" mill usually really means "spindle perpendicular to the table", while "horizontal" means "spindle parallel to one table axis"
[20:14:59] <enleth> but in both cases the table is usually parallel to the floor under the machine so the "vertical" and "horizontal" names are easier to use
[20:15:46] <CaptHindsight> slant bed mill?
[20:16:48] <archivist> here is a really odd mill
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=Beichle+die+sinking+or+milling+machine
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[20:17:31] <enleth> _methods: in my dictionary a "horizontal mill" is something like Abom79's K&T - there'a an arbor and an overarm that's parallel to the Y axis, but otherwise the table's geometry and movement resembles a vertical knee mill
[20:17:55] <enleth> _methods: so I'm a bit confused by your matter-of-fact "isn't"
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[20:18:13] <_methods> in a cnc horizontal the tombstone is the "table"
[20:18:22] <_methods> and it's perpidicular to the ground
[20:18:27] <enleth> CaptHindsight: yeah, that's one of those cases I was thinking about
[20:18:52] <_methods> archivist: that is one crazy ass machine
[20:18:58] <enleth> _methods: isn't that more like HMC area?
[20:19:01] <_methods> a not vtl
[20:19:27] <archivist> _methods, I thought about buying it but did not
[20:19:35] <CaptHindsight> is anyone in Arizona? That matsuura is only $1k or best
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[20:19:56] <_methods> it's like if a horizontal, vtl and shaper had an illegitimate child
[20:19:56] <CaptHindsight> the best deals all seem to come from AZ
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[20:20:34] <enleth> archivist: I'd call that a Lovecraftian mill, as a homage to the supposed geometries of R'lyeh
[20:20:37] <archivist> dekels with adjustable tables too
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[20:22:44] <archivist> thiel had the adjustable table too
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=thiel+milling+machine
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[20:24:01] <CaptHindsight> this is what worries me "I still am not sure why the driver has Pulse + / - and Dir + / -. I am accustomed to only a single pulse and dir."
[20:24:17] <CaptHindsight> "If I understand correctly, I just tried connecting the signals from the controller to the - pins and the +5v from the enable to the plus pins, but no luck."
[20:24:27] <_methods> mailing list?
[20:24:41] <CaptHindsight> yet somehow he makes printers for molten glass??
[20:24:48] <CaptHindsight> _methods: yeah
[20:25:15] <_methods> crazee town
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[20:26:13] <archivist> CaptHindsight, that driver has output optos and the drives have optos on this image
http://www.technoshamanarchist.net/wp-content/uploads/electronics_2.jpg
[20:26:35] <archivist> result not work very well
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[20:27:34] <CaptHindsight> I have the BOB on my desk
[20:28:07] * Polymorphism cracks open a cold one
[20:28:37] <archivist> I opened the driver scoped the signals, ah right...design error
[20:28:37] * Polymorphism strokes his pigeon
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[20:28:55] <Polymorphism> what scope do you use archivist? do you recommend rigol
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[20:29:08] <Polymorphism> I'm also shopping for a scope 50-100mhz
[20:29:22] <Polymorphism> and a scope scope, but I already picked acog =D
[20:29:31] <archivist> I use whichever scope is nearest me, TEK or Advance
[20:29:33] <djdelorie> please don't spend the next five days asking us about scopes...
[20:29:39] <Polymorphism> lol dj I won't
[20:29:41] <archivist> or HP
[20:29:43] <Polymorphism> there is another channel for that
[20:29:54] <Polymorphism> archivist, I'll take a look at some of those
[20:30:16] <archivist> I NEVER buy new
[20:30:42] <archivist> well except once when a scope was on offer
[20:30:56] <CaptHindsight> ah haha!
[20:31:10] <djdelorie> go to eevblog.com - Dave's reviewed LOTS of scopes
[20:32:05] <CaptHindsight> I've found several on ebay for <$200 that just needed the self calibration run
[20:32:23] <Polymorphism> I'll check there, ty
[20:32:29] <archivist> scored an 8 channel HP on ebay
[20:32:32] <Polymorphism> eevblog looks really nice
[20:32:39] <CaptHindsight> the best deals are from sellers that aren't techies
[20:32:43] <witnit> oh neat a horizontal, vertical, horizontal milling machine
[20:33:02] <CaptHindsight> look for powers up but shows calibration error or similar
[20:33:28] <Polymorphism> thats how I got my FW900 CRT for cheap
[20:33:31] <Polymorphism> just needed self cal run
[20:33:33] <CaptHindsight> usually it just needs ti error cleared and the calibration run once
[20:33:47] <Polymorphism> I'll definitely look for those
[20:34:34] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=16500a it is a logic analyser but only has scope plugins
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[20:34:46] <CaptHindsight> during the 90's they were also victims of the Bad Caps
[20:35:30] <CaptHindsight> if the electrolyte has leaked all over the PCB it's not worth it
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[20:36:16] <CaptHindsight> but still useful for non exact measurements... is signal there, somewhat the right shape etc
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[20:38:19] <Polymorphism> I need a logic analyzer also
[20:38:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/T-Slot-T-track-Metalworking-Tooling-Fixture-Plate-20-x16-/281818751481 $369
[20:38:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/T-Slot-T-track-Metalworking-Tooling-Fixture-Plate-24-x16-/271979545976 $442
[20:39:15] <Polymorphism> damn
[20:39:18] <Polymorphism> those look nice
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[20:39:53] <CaptHindsight> aluminum :(
[20:39:55] <DaViruz> look a bit flimsy where the t-slots are
[20:39:57] <archivist> rofl expensive extrusion
[20:40:27] <CaptHindsight> if they were iron....
[20:40:36] <Polymorphism> its cast
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[20:41:57] <archivist> t slot bottom is too thin
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[20:42:49] <CaptHindsight> if the bottom had a cavity to fill with concrete 2" thick....
[20:46:09] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZbz1WRSWAw
[20:47:21] <Polymorphism> interesting
[20:47:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HHIP-3402-0340-16-x-12-x-9-Giant-Slotted-Angle-Plate-/151834109555 $400
[20:47:24] <Polymorphism> I also like how clearly labeled it is
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[20:54:45] <CaptHindsight> machined aluminum t-slot with an epoxy granite fill could work
[20:55:11] <CaptHindsight> machined flat with anchors for the granite
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[21:00:04] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:27:33] <andypugh> Has anyone seen an RS232 to RS485 converter that connects to a motherboard header rather than USB or DB9?
[21:28:18] <andypugh> (My moherboard has pin-headers but no DB9 on the back panel, and I would prefer to avoid a stack of adaptors out the back)
[21:30:02] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, how many times have you cut your hands xD
[21:30:14] <Polymorphism> I'm getting worried
[21:30:27] <Polymorphism> I don't want to lose my fingers @_@
[21:31:56] <Polymorphism> I'm new to cnc... so this might sound absurd
[21:31:59] <Polymorphism> can I just leave the machine
[21:32:01] <Polymorphism> once its running
[21:32:06] <Polymorphism> lets say a very long 3d wood carve
[21:32:11] <Polymorphism> can I just leave and go get lunch etc
[21:32:12] <Polymorphism> and return
[21:32:15] <Polymorphism> or is that poor form
[21:32:30] <Polymorphism> or is that the advantage of cnc (one of them)
[21:33:08] <DaViruz> andypugh: i have not, but perhaps mount a
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61QWj%2B%2BIwwL._SL1154_.jpg to an io-plate (with the device internally)
[21:33:10] <witnit> i think my eat drums are still oscillating
[21:33:12] <DaViruz> and then connect it to the header?
[21:33:30] <witnit> ear*
[21:33:50] <Polymorphism> witnit, what happen
[21:33:57] <andypugh> DaViruz: I am looking more at:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RS485-Module-MAX485-TTL-RS-485-for-Arduino-Raspberry-PI-DIY-SHIELD-/262320647483?hash=item3d13876d3b:g:l6gAAOSwys5WVh9L
[21:34:00] <Polymorphism> someone set you up the bomb?
[21:34:44] <DaViruz> oh. was unsure how much fiddling around you wanted
[21:34:54] <DaViruz> i usually just use a usb-rs485 type deal
[21:35:21] <andypugh> DaViruz: Ideally none. But might put up with some :-)
[21:35:49] <DaViruz> hear hear
[21:35:50] <andypugh> I would prefer to come off of a motherboard header than the back panel.
[21:35:55] <Jymmm> andypugh: Use something like this and a db9 to header all internally?
http://www.radioparts.com.au/product/30578005/rs001-rs232-to-rs485-converter
[21:36:25] <Jymmm> only the screw term sticking out the back
[21:37:02] <DaViruz> if you have internal usb headers i guess a usb converter would work, if usb is acceptable, but i guess that isn't very different from a rs232 converter
[21:37:31] <DaViruz> though i am a bit weary of unpowered rs485 converters
[21:37:41] <CaptHindsight> or DB9 breakout
[21:37:43] <Jymmm> You kids and your USB *rolls eyes*
[21:37:59] <Jymmm> REAL UARTS BIOTCHES!!!!
[21:38:05] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/191608563947
[21:38:17] <DaViruz> what is a real uart
[21:38:18] <andypugh> It’s just the pin-header to USB-female to USB male to RS485 to DB9 to DB9 to bit of wire thing that bugs me
[21:39:15] <Jymmm> andypugh: If you unsloder the DB9, you can solder the ribbon cable directly
[21:39:40] <DaViruz> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAV3TTgiGeEB9D-TCVhakqFxoS6MgUD4-9uvM7HEFsGYhZLOWOEQ
[21:39:43] <DaViruz> plus
[21:39:45] <DaViruz> https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpOFP1HH4coFVgkdPOMiq0L85EiQDsJmzitzVvlNgemPHVkQKT
[21:39:47] <CaptHindsight> he's asking for something from the 90's
[21:39:57] <CaptHindsight> who still makes it
[21:40:07] <DaViruz> seems like it would sort it out?
[21:40:25] <DaViruz> if you mount the converter internally with the rs485 db9 in a io-plate
[21:40:34] <andypugh> Yes, but with an awful lot more connections than needed.
[21:40:52] <DaViruz> i only see one extra connection
[21:41:16] <DaViruz> being the internal db9
[21:41:27] <andypugh> There are 4 completely unnecessary D-sub connectors?
[21:41:48] <Jymmm> The Great Gig In The Sky.... AWESOME song.
[21:41:52] <DaViruz> oh
[21:42:04] <DaViruz> i misunderstood, i thought you wanted db9 för the rs485
[21:42:08] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tEgmkFofsA&t=4m45s
[21:42:13] <Polymorphism> clean cuts
[21:42:36] <Jymmm> DaViruz: He wants IDC ribbon cable to ...
[21:42:59] <DaViruz> to dot dot dot?
[21:43:05] <Jymmm> 485
[21:43:11] <DaViruz> yes
[21:43:15] <andypugh> I want pin-header to screw-terminal, really.
[21:43:15] <DaViruz> i am perfectly aware of that
[21:43:25] <DaViruz> 485 isn't a connector though.
[21:43:46] <Jymmm> http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB105vcLXXXXXcWXFXXq6xXFXXXA/2015-3-Sets-X-2-54mm-Pitch-DB9-to-10P-M-F-IDC-Flat-font-b.jpg
[21:43:58] <Jymmm> No, but they dont make what he wants directly
[21:43:59] <andypugh> My USB-to-screw-terminal RS485 just came apart in my hands :-)
[21:44:43] <DaViruz> https://www.olimex.com/Products/Modules/Interface/MOD-RS485/open-source-hardware
[21:44:51] <Jymmm> IanGreat, now solder it in =)
[21:44:53] <DaViruz> though it probably isn't pin compatible, and it needs 3.3V
[21:45:10] <DaViruz> (some mucking about required)
[21:45:20] <andypugh> I reckon I can unsloder the USB plug and fit a header :-)
[21:45:51] <Jymmm> DaViruz: is that the correct pinout?
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[21:46:09] <DaViruz> i just said itprobably isn't
[21:46:15] <Jymmm> ah
[21:48:44] <DaViruz> andypugh: i thought the db9 was sort of a sensible way to bring the rs485 through the pc case. but then again i don
[21:48:50] <DaViruz> 't know that you want to bring it out :)
[21:49:46] <andypugh> I don’t have a PC case:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rnBPlxN1-iE/VkUI_CI2gUI/AAAAAAAAF5M/ZpqUZgcXm-83QTQ1Hy2JM0ISvIcH661YQCCo/s800-Ic42/IMG_2193.jpg
[21:50:29] <andypugh> And the wires are a bit congested about the back-panel area. (though I expect to re-wire all that)
[21:51:07] <andypugh> The VFD is also going to move out of that box onto a bracket on the motor.
[21:51:09] <DaViruz> ooops, time flies, need to go home and unload the enduro bike
[21:51:29] <andypugh> DaViruz: Had a good week in Andermatt last weej
[21:51:41] <DaViruz> oh
[21:51:59] <andypugh> I thought of suggesting it to you, but didn’t see you.
[21:52:12] <DaViruz> i decided to put off the alps for this year, i did book a weekend in norway though
[21:52:58] <andypugh> A chap in my group put up a bunch of photos and videos:
https://goo.gl/photos/6JXsiHgFetaPStew6
[21:54:28] <DaViruz> oh. i'll have to look through that
[21:54:37] <DaViruz> i bought a pair of powder skiis as well
[21:54:48] <andypugh> Which ones?
[21:55:02] <DaViruz> salomon q-105
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[21:55:43] <DaViruz> all mountain with a lean towards powder i guess
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[21:57:07] <andypugh> I was expecting you to say “Soul 7” as that seems to be the super-popular ski at the moment
[21:58:42] <andypugh> It looks like the sun shines through the tips of both :-)
[21:59:56] <DaViruz> i did look at soul 7 actually, but then i tried a coworkers rocker2 skis, which i rather liked, except for the mid mounted bindings
[22:00:49] <andypugh> You like the bindings at one end?
[22:01:29] <DaViruz> slightly towards one end :)
[22:02:19] <DaViruz> "park center mount" seems to be the correct terminology
[22:02:31] <DaViruz> (we just call it mid mount)
[22:03:03] <Polymorphism> http://www.rockler.com/cnc-shark-routing-system-with-new-7-0-software
[22:03:04] <andypugh> Actually, somebody in my party noticed that the mid-point line on the 180 Soul 7 is _exactly_ the same distance from the tail as on the 172 Soul7. It is like the 180 Soul7 has the front half of the 188 and the back half of the 172. He hated the 180 compared to his own 188 (he rented 188 with toue bindings)
[22:03:04] <Polymorphism> good deal?
[22:04:19] <DaViruz> that seems a bit strange
[22:04:22] <andypugh> Hard to say, it doesn’t list a price if you are in the UK.
[22:05:34] <DaViruz> http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0194/7554/files/Rossignol_Soul_7_air_tip_large.JPG?3369
[22:05:47] <DaViruz> oh, the sun really does shine through :)
[22:06:16] <andypugh> Yeah, it looks kind-of cool.
[22:06:34] <sabrex> Polymorphism: that is far inferior to the x6 or raptor
[22:06:51] <Polymorphism> I thought so
[22:06:56] <Polymorphism> http://romaxxcncrouters.com/store#!/Romaxx-HS-1-CNC-Router/p/10142335/category=2549172
[22:06:59] <Polymorphism> this though...
[22:07:03] <Polymorphism> is the same price as the x65
[22:07:04] <Polymorphism> -5
[22:07:26] <Polymorphism> and xzeroraptor
[22:07:45] <Polymorphism> the rails look like a very different construction
[22:07:45] <sabrex> wow that thing is blinged out
[22:08:08] <andypugh> But also:
http://www.doglotion.com/2015-salomon-q-lab-review has the same shot with yours doing the same trick
[22:08:41] <Polymorphism> those look nice
[22:08:49] <Polymorphism> I want to ski now
[22:09:06] <andypugh> It’s getting a bit late to ski now.
[22:09:36] <sabrex> Polymorphism: the belt drive looks weak
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[22:11:05] <DaViruz> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOj3XEm37_rVW0X5ushbGll7MFw8Y3IZNEfL704kYC2LzbjPiwhSZBeRXPlkhBXiQ/photo/AF1QipPDd0ErkeQeE-h4kSiUvENpQRmv-EAXrFaYDGER?key=djBRa0FuT0taREhCNnJzRk40R3BrZ00zLUlTcmp3
[22:11:12] <DaViruz> i'd be worried about getting lost.. :)
[22:11:48] <andypugh> I like the romaxx side rails. I prefer the screws on the Rockler. But neither really appeal.
[22:12:08] <DaViruz> i kind of like getting myself lost on purpose sometimes, but it doesn't seem like a good idea there
[22:12:19] <Polymorphism> welded base sounds nice
[22:12:45] <andypugh> DaViruz: The holiday included a mountain guide every day :-)
[22:12:49] <Polymorphism> andypugh, I really appreciate that feedback
[22:12:52] <DaViruz> oh.
[22:13:02] <DaViruz> that sounds like a good idea
[22:14:15] <DaViruz> oh well, still have the ktm to sort out. i may have a few hobbies too many
[22:14:40] <andypugh> My GasGas hasn’t moved for about a year
[22:15:28] <DaViruz> oh. enduro or trial?
[22:15:43] <andypugh> Enduro, EC200
[22:16:00] <DaViruz> a friend has a ec125r
[22:16:35] <Polymorphism> would you mind giving your opinion on just two more machines?
[22:16:38] <Polymorphism> andypugh,
[22:16:55] <andypugh> Bear in mind that my opinions are just opinions.
[22:17:02] <Polymorphism> http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm http://www.ebay.com/itm/3D-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-6040-DESKTOP-4AXIS-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-US-/221354177332?hash=item3389bcb334:g:yoIAAOSwm8VUyYZi http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/
[22:17:14] <Polymorphism> those are the 4 machines I'm deciding between
[22:17:40] <Polymorphism> https://goo.gl/1QH5N2
[22:17:44] <Polymorphism> spreadsheet with their specs I made
[22:17:53] <malcom2073> You're up to 4 now??
[22:17:57] <Polymorphism> http://artfab.art.cmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dscn6119.jpg http://www.8020cnc.com/images/alu_engrave1_large.jpg http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pk0AAOSwHgVW77ne/s-l300.jpg
[22:17:59] <Polymorphism> the work I want to do
[22:18:06] <Polymorphism> yes malcom2073
[22:18:17] <malcom2073> You're gonna beat yourself to death over this choice heh
[22:18:25] <Polymorphism> I have a contact in china who can ship to boston with a great price on that 6090
[22:18:30] <Polymorphism> same price as the raptor or x6
[22:19:03] <Polymorphism> malcom2073, I hope not @_@
[22:19:20] <Polymorphism> andypugh, I understand. You seem to know about cnc machines though, and their quality
[22:19:25] <Polymorphism> for me, it's all new.
[22:19:29] <sabrex> i think you should get the 6090 and then you can tell us all how it is
[22:19:38] <sabrex> be our guinea pig!
[22:19:41] <Polymorphism> haha
[22:19:48] <Polymorphism> it is the most unknown of all the options
[22:20:04] <Polymorphism> not much info out there
[22:20:08] <Polymorphism> it looks very rigid though
[22:20:12] <Polymorphism> I think...
[22:20:18] <Polymorphism> and the HG-20 style rails are nice
[22:20:24] <andypugh> The 6090 has the same rails as the Rockler. I would be very suspcious of any 800W _DC_ spindle, that sounds like a lot of brush wear.
[22:21:06] <Polymorphism> the ebay 6040 you mean?
[22:21:30] <Polymorphism> I can purchase this machine:
http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine for 2800 shipped with 1.5kw spindle, it looks nicer than the 6040 I think
[22:21:58] <Polymorphism> if its as nice as the x6, I would spend the 300 more to get the much larger work area
[22:21:59] <sabrex> i dont think the 6090 has hg20s on all axes
[22:22:18] <Polymorphism> but also, if the raptor is so much nicer than any of these, I'd give up work area for quality. he said it cuts steel
[22:22:29] <andypugh> Polymorphism: Sorry, I got confused by the two URLs together
[22:22:31] <Polymorphism> let me take a look sabrex
[22:22:38] <Polymorphism> andypugh, sorry yeah, I sent 4 URLs there on one line
[22:22:57] <Polymorphism> omio x6, xzero raptor, ebay 6040, chinacnc DX-6090
[22:23:41] <Polymorphism> andypugh, I also sent 3 links a few lines later with the work I need the machine to do
[22:23:59] <andypugh> Does the Raptor exist? I get suspicious when they only show renders.
[22:24:03] <Polymorphism> yes, its real
[22:24:12] <Polymorphism> I talked to the owner on the phone for 30 minutes
[22:24:15] <Polymorphism> he makes the frames in canada
[22:24:28] <Polymorphism> he sells to a lot of pool cue makers and guitar makers I guess
[22:24:41] <Polymorphism> he claimed more than .001" accuracy
[22:24:47] <Polymorphism> is possible
[22:24:56] <Polymorphism> I will use chinese spindle so I think not
[22:25:26] <Polymorphism> it uses 3660 DSP driver and 311oz steppers
[22:26:18] <andypugh> I don’t like the look of the leadscrew thrust arrangement on the OmioCNC
[22:26:55] * Polymorphism takes a look
[22:28:18] <Polymorphism> I'd like to cut quality like this:
http://www.bobsavage.net/otherjunk/lollygagger/lollygagger-wood-enclosures-4.jpg http://www.bobsavage.net/otherjunk/lollygagger/lollygagger-wood-enclosures-2.jpg
[22:28:19] <andypugh> The Raptor has real guides and ball screws (if the render is accurate). It looks better quality, but costs an awful lot more when yopu staet adding table tops and motors.
[22:28:34] <Polymorphism> andypugh, forget the prices there
[22:28:36] <Polymorphism> sorry about that
[22:28:39] <Polymorphism> the site is outdated
[22:28:47] <Polymorphism> 12.5"x30"x5.5" mini raptor
[22:28:56] <Polymorphism> my cost is 2500 total for everything ready to run
[22:28:58] <Polymorphism> with 1.5kw spindle
[22:29:17] <Polymorphism> so same as x6, and less than dx6090
[22:29:22] <Polymorphism> but maybe a better machine...
[22:29:28] <andypugh> I would say that the fact it is possible to talk to a real person at the factory is a huge plus.
[22:29:38] <Polymorphism> that's true
[22:29:41] <Polymorphism> I think it's just him
[22:29:49] <Polymorphism> he posts on the forums and he answered when I called, and it was him when I emailed
[22:30:01] <Polymorphism> maybe he has one or two others who help
[22:30:04] <Polymorphism> not sure
[22:30:04] <andypugh> That wouldn’t worry me.
[22:30:13] <Polymorphism> ok
[22:30:20] <andypugh> Pico and Mesa are largely the same
[22:31:06] <Polymorphism> sorry, I don't understand
[22:31:08] <Polymorphism> what do you mean
[22:32:00] <Polymorphism> http://www.leadshine.com/productdetail.aspx?type=products&category=accessories&producttype=multiple-axis-stepper-drives&series=MX&model=MX3660
[22:32:04] <Polymorphism> thats the controller
[22:32:15] <andypugh> They are companies with few or zero employees.
[22:32:23] <Polymorphism> to add that controller and 3x 311oz steppers is $350
[22:32:27] <Polymorphism> I could also source my own
[22:32:37] <Polymorphism> I included that in the $2500 price I mentioned
[22:32:47] <Polymorphism> it looks fairly nice though I think...
[22:32:49] <andypugh> OK
[22:33:25] <Polymorphism> I'm trying to find out how it compares to geckodrive
[22:33:38] <andypugh> Of them all, I like the look of the Raptor most. But I would _really_ like the photo to have been of the actual thing.
[22:33:58] <Polymorphism> do you have facebook?
[22:34:04] <Polymorphism> they have lots of pictures there, but you need to log in
[22:34:11] <andypugh> Leadshine have a decent reputation, being slightly tarnished by clones.
[22:34:25] <andypugh> I prefer to avoid facebook.
[22:34:31] <Polymorphism> he says they will ship direct from the manufacturer so I think it should be real
[22:35:27] <Polymorphism> just one last question andypugh , I'm tempted by the DX6090 for huge work area and claimed .01mm accuracy
[22:35:31] <Polymorphism> http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine
[22:35:35] <Polymorphism> does it look any good compared to the raptor?
[22:35:47] <Polymorphism> or for my needs
http://artfab.art.cmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dscn6119.jpg
[22:35:52] <Polymorphism> http://www.bobsavage.net/otherjunk/lollygagger/lollygagger-wood-enclosures-2.jpg
[22:36:17] <Polymorphism> I'll upload a picture of the real machine to imgur
[22:37:59] <andypugh> Polymorphism: I did a google search and found some.
[22:38:35] <Polymorphism> andypugh,
http://i.imgur.com/lMaUeKl.jpg
[22:38:39] <Polymorphism> that picture might show it better
[22:38:46] <Polymorphism> does it still look the best?
[22:38:50] <andypugh> Does the SaleCNC come with the cpmputer? (Or is that wierd box something else?)
[22:39:17] <Polymorphism> thats the spindle VFD, the drivers, the controller, and the PSU
[22:39:21] <Polymorphism> all in a computer case xD
[22:39:46] <sabrex> is that the real size in the imgur pic?
[22:40:02] <Polymorphism> thats not the mini, no
[22:40:05] <Polymorphism> thats the larger model
[22:40:10] <Polymorphism> but he says its the same construction
[22:40:13] <andypugh> I like that the SaleCNC is an AC inverter spindle. And the other parts seem similar to the Raptor, though not quite so nicely executed.
[22:40:57] <andypugh> I assume the Raptor is one central screw and the SaleCNC has two motors and 2 screws?
[22:41:36] <Polymorphism> I don't know
[22:41:48] <Polymorphism> btw, the price $2500 for raptor I'm including a spindle like that one
[22:41:50] <Polymorphism> liquid cooled 1.5kw
[22:41:56] <Polymorphism> same as I would get with the 6090
[22:42:06] <Polymorphism> the 6090 would be $2800
[22:42:08] <Polymorphism> both prices shipped
[22:42:12] <Polymorphism> same 1.5kw spindle
[22:42:19] <Polymorphism> so it would come down to work area, and quality of the machines
[22:42:38] <Polymorphism> did you see the pcb, the alu lettering, etc I linked?
[22:42:48] <Polymorphism> I also notice, salecnc has rod on the Z
[22:42:52] <Polymorphism> raptor has the flat rails
[22:42:59] <Polymorphism> not sure how much it matters
[22:43:18] <Polymorphism> salecnc has quick adjust z clearance which is nice
[22:43:25] <Polymorphism> raptor he claims can cut steel...
[22:43:59] <Polymorphism> salecnc I think is just one motor per axis
[22:44:03] <Polymorphism> if thats what you meant
[22:45:28] <andypugh> The drawback of the saleCNC having a larger work area is that everything gets more flexible unless you scale-up in all dimensions.
[22:45:40] <andypugh> And they haven’t.
[22:46:29] <Polymorphism> hmm
[22:47:05] <Polymorphism> I would only be using it for hardwood for large cuts
[22:47:18] <Polymorphism> smaller cuts would be routing thinner alu 2-4mm thick and engraving logos labels etc
[22:47:25] <andypugh> So, I can see the Raptor cutting steel (gently) because it is relatively sturdy. On the other hand, no matter what machine you have, you always find yourself wishing it was bigger.
[22:47:27] <Polymorphism> also cutting pcbs for SMD .4mm pitch
[22:47:55] <Polymorphism> http://i.imgur.com/zId7SRZ.jpg
[22:48:07] <Polymorphism> these are cut by the mini raptor, I don't know if it proves anything. they look nice to me
[22:48:12] <Polymorphism> but maybe 6090 can do the same
[22:48:22] <Polymorphism> I don't know what material that is
[22:49:32] <Polymorphism> andypugh, right. I don't want to wish I had more work area than the raptor offers. But I also don't want to be disappointed with the accuracy of the DX-6090
[22:49:35] <andypugh> Looks OK. You would get a better finish on a stiffer machine. (like a cast-iron millimg machine)
[22:49:59] <Polymorphism> I won't actually be cutting anything that thick I don';t think
[22:50:29] <Polymorphism> http://g01.s.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1MrL1GXXXXXbcXFXXq6xXFXXXo/200042748/HTB1MrL1GXXXXXbcXFXXq6xXFXXXo.jpg
[22:50:31] <Polymorphism> this is what I want to cut
[22:50:43] <Polymorphism> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pk0AAOSwHgVW77ne/s-l300.jpg
[22:50:45] <Polymorphism> to make it like that
[22:51:33] <Polymorphism> andypugh, I'll consider carefully the points you've made
[22:51:35] <Polymorphism> thank you
[22:51:49] <witnit> to make it? or just cut out the windows?
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[22:52:06] <Polymorphism> to cut out the windows
[22:52:31] <Polymorphism> also stuff like this:
http://artfab.art.cmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dscn6119.jpg
[22:53:02] <Polymorphism> http://www.8020cnc.com/images/alu_engrave1_large.jpg
[22:53:03] <Polymorphism> also that
[22:53:05] <sabrex> i keep getting cuts when milling metal. yesterday i brushed over an aluminum burr and barely felt a thing then i see i have some flesh hanging off a knuckle
[22:53:09] <Polymorphism> milling the cuts and engraving the labels
[22:53:09] <andypugh> I thought my milling machine was big enough, then found myself doing this:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-91-NA1wVDtc/VniV8_rUNLI/AAAAAAAAGEY/zVKMwqdwc04tdq8Ie_bJix_1Ise895unACCo/s1024-Ic42/IMG_2236.jpg
[22:53:23] <Polymorphism> sabrex, thats one of my fears....
[22:53:27] <Polymorphism> andypugh, let me take a look
[22:53:35] <Polymorphism> lol
[22:53:37] <Polymorphism> wow
[22:53:51] <DaViruz> that raptor machine looks kind of nice, i'm sort of shopping for a cnc router
[22:54:10] <Polymorphism> DaViruz, if you're budget is 3000 or less check out those options I found for sure
[22:54:15] <Polymorphism> if you can spend more, maybe its better to buy something else
[22:54:17] <Polymorphism> I'm not sure
[22:54:22] <Polymorphism> your*
[22:54:56] <Polymorphism> https://goo.gl/1QH5N2
[22:54:59] <Polymorphism> there is a spreadsheet I made
[22:55:04] <andypugh> I think that the Raptor has a real guy on the end of the phone would sell it to me.
[22:55:12] <DaViruz> at the moment i can't really spend anything :)
[22:55:21] <witnit> andypugh: build one of these
http://www.toyodausa.com.php53-26.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/images/uploads/toyodaTrunnion.jpg
[22:55:28] <Polymorphism> andypugh, true
[22:55:34] <Polymorphism> hes only 8 hours away from me
[22:55:37] <Polymorphism> unlike china
[22:55:40] <DaViruz> i would like to see a ral photo of the raptor though
[22:55:50] <Polymorphism> I am talking to a rep in china about the 6090
[22:55:59] <DaViruz> i guess there was one or two of a few details
[22:55:59] <Polymorphism> but who knows if they will be there if I have a problem
[22:56:09] <Polymorphism> DaViruz, did you see the one I limnked
[22:56:14] <Polymorphism> http://i.imgur.com/zId7SRZ.jpg
[22:56:21] <Polymorphism> sorry wrong one
[22:56:21] <Polymorphism> 1 sec
[22:56:28] <DaViruz> that one i did see :)
[22:56:37] <Polymorphism> DaViruz,
http://i.imgur.com/lMaUeKl.jpg
[22:56:50] <DaViruz> ah!
[22:57:12] <Polymorphism> its slightly different but mostly the same
[22:57:22] <andypugh> The SaleCNC has nicer wiring
[22:57:32] <Polymorphism> no wiring on the xzero
[22:57:41] <Polymorphism> he ships me for 1750 the frame and switches and spindle mount
[22:57:50] <Polymorphism> and 3x motor and the 3660
[22:57:52] <andypugh> Ah, you do that yourself?
[22:57:53] <Polymorphism> then I priced out a spindle
[22:57:55] <Polymorphism> yeah
[22:57:58] <Polymorphism> I put it all together from there
[22:58:08] <Polymorphism> frame comes flat packed
[22:58:16] <Polymorphism> linear flat rails ship direct from overseas
[22:58:22] <Polymorphism> controller and motors from california
[22:58:28] <Polymorphism> the frame mount etc from canada
[22:58:39] <Polymorphism> does that change your opinion of it?
[22:59:04] <Polymorphism> my total cost for a functioning machine is the $2500 I quoted
[22:59:15] <sabrex> the rails come separate from the machine?
[22:59:17] <Polymorphism> yes
[22:59:20] <sabrex> and you have to install them yourself?
[22:59:28] <Polymorphism> I assemble it all
[22:59:31] <sabrex> aligning them will be a pain in the ass
[22:59:35] <Polymorphism> he includes gantry // frame instrction
[22:59:39] <andypugh> Steppers come with 4 loose wires. It’s annoying. I found a way round it, but ruined one motor in the process. You can see it in this photo:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FDkYxHV7vt4/SvyKWfFR60I/AAAAAAAACjM/ALKyIMsDpYEaneCNHa2sPEOdBVDJb7AQgCCo/s800-Ic42/IMG_0467.JPG
[22:59:43] <Polymorphism> he says I dont have to square anything
[22:59:47] <Polymorphism> I just bolt it together no special tools
[22:59:52] <Polymorphism> something about the way the pieces are cut
[23:00:05] <sabrex> interesting
[23:00:06] <Polymorphism> machined mating surfaces maybe
[23:00:11] <andypugh> Sounds plausible.
[23:00:13] <Polymorphism> "Every mating surface is machined completely flat"
[23:00:16] <DaViruz> i've seen a few steppers that have either a connector or a small box
[23:00:59] <Polymorphism> he seemed to know what he was talking about in terms of cnc. he said he could give me more z but didnt recommend it
[23:01:06] <Polymorphism> I could get 7" z instead of 5.5"
[23:01:09] <Polymorphism> just 90 more
[23:01:13] <Polymorphism> but he said it wont be as strong
[23:01:21] <Polymorphism> he also told me NOT to buy 4660
[23:01:24] <DaViruz> http://www.orientalmotor.com/images/mainContent/rk-terminalbox.jpg
[23:01:25] <andypugh> That’s what I was saying.
[23:01:27] <Polymorphism> when he could have had $100 more
[23:01:32] <Polymorphism> seems honest...
[23:01:59] <Polymorphism> DaViruz, ah I see
[23:02:05] <Polymorphism> andypugh, indeed
[23:02:27] <DaViruz> kind of expensive though, sort of kills the only thing steppers have going for them :)
[23:02:40] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, wants me to buy servos for 1000 USD
[23:02:46] <Polymorphism> I don't think I need that
[23:02:56] <Polymorphism> thats what he recommends instead of steppers I mean
[23:03:36] <andypugh> You will probably become a servo advocate eventually :-)
[23:03:54] <DaViruz> steppers can work well enough a lot of times, but... :)
[23:03:55] <andypugh> But the hybrid closed-loop steppers are worth a look
[23:04:29] <Polymorphism> I should consider this...
[23:04:32] <Polymorphism> the motor kit is optional
[23:04:41] <Polymorphism> but $350 for 3660 controller and 3x 311oz motors...
[23:04:44] <Polymorphism> not sure I can beat that price
[23:05:21] <andypugh> Polymorphism:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-Leadshine-Closed-Loop-Hybrid-Servo-Drive-Kit-HBS57-Driver-Motor-encoder-/251942156746?hash=item3aa8ec39ca:g:EiAAAOxydlFSutQh
[23:05:58] <Polymorphism> 176 us x 3x
[23:06:02] <Polymorphism> + controller
[23:06:05] <Polymorphism> hmm
[23:06:19] <andypugh> Controller? LinuxCNC is the controller
[23:06:26] <Polymorphism> so I just need those 3???
[23:06:39] <Polymorphism> but what about lpt port
[23:06:42] <Polymorphism> did I mention this is my first cnc???
[23:06:45] <andypugh> Well, probbaly a break-out board for the LPT
[23:06:45] <Polymorphism> I should have
[23:06:50] <DaViruz> that was a very agreeable price.
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[23:07:12] <Polymorphism> are you saying I would only need those?
[23:07:18] <Polymorphism> I could get servo for a similar price?
[23:07:28] <andypugh> No, a servo would be a lot more
[23:07:34] <Polymorphism> oh, ok.
[23:07:44] <Polymorphism> is it more accurate?
[23:07:53] <Polymorphism> I could always upgrade later I think
[23:08:04] <Polymorphism> but I dont want to if stepper isnt adequate
[23:08:08] <andypugh> But the closed-loop steppers get pretty close to servo performance.
[23:08:11] <DaViruz> oh that is a stepper?
[23:08:20] <Polymorphism> ohh I see
[23:08:21] <DaViruz> the U V W connections had me fooled
[23:08:38] <djdelorie> UVW sounds like a servo
[23:08:50] <Polymorphism> how do I drive 3 of those
[23:08:57] <andypugh> DaViruz: Well, it gets complicated. They are being used as a 2-phase brushless servo with a very high pole count.
[23:08:58] <Polymorphism> there is a board that connects all 3 and has lpt?
[23:09:05] <sabrex> uvw sounds like texture mapping coordinates
[23:09:13] <witnit> servo systems can be really cheap if you buy them used :)
[23:09:49] <djdelorie> hopefully your servo has an encoder, or you have an optical DRO-style system for feedback...
[23:09:49] <andypugh> Hang on. That _is_ a 3-phase servo.
[23:09:56] <Polymorphism> lol
[23:09:57] <Polymorphism> what?
[23:10:00] <andypugh> I was looking for something else
[23:10:04] <Polymorphism> that seems like a decent price...
[23:10:07] <DaViruz> it does say step angle 1.2 degrees though
[23:10:11] <witnit> they can come in many sizes with various feedbacks and you can often get them from machines which are being scrapped for entirely different reasons
[23:10:26] <djdelorie> servo control electronics cost more than stepper control electronics, though, and you need some sort of feedback system too.
[23:10:26] <Polymorphism> witnit, maybe I'll go that route later
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[23:10:35] <andypugh> DaViruz: Well, it is taking step-dir input, so that makes sense
[23:10:38] <Polymorphism> djdelorie, ah... I thought I could just plug those into the linux pc
[23:10:51] <DaViruz> andypugh: true!
[23:11:15] <DaViruz> if that was available with analogue input for velocity mode, i'd be VERY interested
[23:11:21] <djdelorie> well, *my* servo controllers do, but those are $200 per drive, and my servos have encoders, which not all do.
[23:11:39] <djdelorie> there are other types of servo drives that use other interfaces besides LPT
[23:12:08] <andypugh> In this case, you can. The feedback is from the motor to the drive, it isn’t clear if the encoder feedback can go to LinuxCNC too.
[23:12:09] <Polymorphism> I see
[23:12:58] <andypugh> DaViruz: There isn’t much practical difference between pulse-rate velocity control and analogue voltage velocity control.
[23:13:12] <djdelorie> andypugh: I considered an encoder pass-through on the next rev of the board, to feed to the pc. Not much point though as it should always match what the pc thinks
[23:13:20] <DaViruz> the practical difference would be closing the loop in linuxcnc
[23:13:53] <andypugh> DaViruz: You can do that with a velopcity-mode stepgen
[23:13:54] <djdelorie> unless I added some other interface besides step or cbus
[23:14:01] <DaViruz> i guess it'd be possible to split the encoder signals
[23:14:18] <DaViruz> but i've heard bad things about using position mode drivers like that
[23:14:36] <andypugh> djdelorie: One scheme is velocity-mode stepgen in LinuxCNC and actual position feedback from digital scales.
[23:15:02] <djdelorie> yeah, that's probably ideal. The servo drive would still benefit from an encoder though
[23:15:21] <djdelorie> just to give it a better idea of where the rotor is
[23:15:40] <djdelorie> unless linuxcnc wants to drive UVW directly ?
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[23:16:03] <DaViruz> the only servo drive scheme possible without encoder feedback is torque mode, which is a layer below velocity mode even
[23:16:12] <djdelorie> no, then linuxcnc would need the encoder data as well as the glass scale data
[23:16:41] <andypugh> djdelorie: In some setups LinuxCNC _does_ drive UVW directly.
[23:16:47] <djdelorie> Even torque mode needs some form of rotor tracking, although if you can accept some crudity, simulated tracking will do
[23:17:10] <djdelorie> andypugh: I assume some smarter-than-lpt electronics is involved? ;-)
[23:17:54] <andypugh> An example is the Mesa 7i39 drive, it passes encoder data back from the motor to the Mesa card, then a HAL component sends 3 separate phase duty cycles.
[23:18:08] <djdelorie> cool
[23:18:09] <DaViruz> oh
[23:18:43] <andypugh> djdelorie: Yes. Though one guy has actually managed to run a fanuc servo with only a parallel port and AMC PWM drive.
[23:19:17] <andypugh> djdelorie:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/bldc.9.html
[23:19:22] <djdelorie> heh, the 7i39 wouldn't work for me anyway, my servos are 160v
[23:19:38] <djdelorie> is that new? I don't recall that in my old version
[23:19:45] <DaViruz> you'd need to amplify it yourself i assume?
[23:20:01] <djdelorie> DaViruz:
http://www.delorie.com/electronics/bldc/
[23:20:02] <DaViruz> to the required servo voltage and current
[23:20:18] <djdelorie> in theory, I can do up to 7 HP with water cooling :-)
[23:20:38] <DaViruz> for the 7i39 scheme i mean
[23:21:36] <djdelorie> not sure you can post-amplify that kind of driver
[23:21:37] <DaViruz> oh no it's actually designed to drive the motor too :O
[23:21:45] <andypugh> DaViruz: The Mesa 8i20 is a 300V drive. That takes a rotor angle and current command as digital serial data…
[23:21:51] <DaViruz> i thought it would output some simpy control signal
[23:22:15] <DaViruz> wimpy
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[23:31:20] <minibnz> hi all i need help.. can anyone tell me how to or point me to a link that tells me how to move the Z axis from the classicladder.. trying to make a tool changer. only problem i have is that i need the Z axis to move down and close the collet and go back up.. just cannot get the axis to move.. any suggestions
[23:32:33] <minibnz> been working on this for 4 days striaght now... this is my 5th day i am almost ready to conceed defeat and make the tool pallet lift up, but that jsut seems like doubling up on a axis that i already have
[23:33:00] <cradek> you'll probably have to use remap of M6 and do at least the motion part in gcode. you can use gcode's auxiliary digital inputs/outputs for synchronizing the two
[23:33:27] <cradek> by the two, I mean the gcode and the ladder
[23:33:54] <minibnz> i was looking into remaping but the docs are not clear on how to do that. i shows me file contents but doesnt say where that file goes..
[23:34:18] <cradek> in addition to the docs, check out the remap sample configs
[23:34:24] <minibnz> it shows that i need a prolog and epilog section but i dont know where to put those files.
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[23:35:18] <cradek> I use something like this scheme:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/remap/remap.html#_making_minimal_changes_to_the_built_in_codes_including_tt_m6_tt
[23:35:45] <cradek> I don't have prolog or epilog
[23:36:39] <minibnz> oh wow that seems like the golden nugget of info i was missing.. thank you so much...
[23:36:57] <minibnz> so my gcode goes into ngc file specified on that line..
[23:37:04] <cradek> heh I just clicked Remap and scrolled down a bit :-)
[23:37:19] <cradek> welcome!
[23:38:07] <minibnz> hehehe i just never saw that page.. thanks. i have been all over the net using a little snippet from here and there to get as far as i have..
[23:38:18] <cradek> hint: be very careful about units and other modal settings; use the M70/M72 to save and restore that stuff
[23:38:34] <cradek> to be precise: save, set exactly what you need including units, do your motion, restore
[23:40:00] <minibnz> ahh yeah i was wondering how i was going to do all that.. at one point i was writting a python component so saving all those would have been easy. so i need M70etc thanks again
[23:40:33] <cradek> bbl
[23:43:59] <minibnz> ok
[23:44:11] <minibnz> now i have to work out how to add the remap component.. :_
[23:44:12] <minibnz> :)
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[23:49:25] <andypugh> I think I made the RS485 thingy I needed. I took this USB thing:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ulVE_PSk6Rg/VvnCqZR23zI/AAAAAAAAGag/8njjs20lzVsXkoSaHa-psao6ExzqBTYQgCCo/s1024-Ic42/IMG_2436.jpg
[23:49:53] <andypugh> And modified it to fit a motherboard USB port:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wAD0nKjdpzM/VvnC2-gOzNI/AAAAAAAAGak/gfM4C2_iFIEnrYmrCd3-n6srhAK7gfYWwCCo/s1024-Ic42/IMG_2437.jpg
[23:50:13] <minibnz> nice work there andy.
[23:50:38] <andypugh> Tomorrow I will plug it into the motherboard and see if it gets detected.
[23:50:59] <minibnz> hey i have a question for you.. i saw a wiki page with your name on it regarding a toolchanger component.. did you finish it? does it work?
[23:51:35] <andypugh> I propabably should have checked that before, really. I just realised that yesterdays test was using a VM and the driver used would be the Mac one, not the Linux one.
[23:51:46] <minibnz> andypugh now you have that header socket on there make sure you get it on the right way around :) or the magic smoke will come out.. also apply a lump of hotglue to help it survive..
[23:51:47] <andypugh> minibnz: Which toolchanger?
[23:52:16] <andypugh> (I put in a keying blank so it wont go on wrong)
[23:52:26] <minibnz> nice
[23:52:47] <minibnz> oh im not sure what it was called there was a component that i thought the author was you... let me see if i can find the link.
[23:53:16] <andypugh> This one?
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/carousel.9.html
[23:53:37] <minibnz> yeah that one..
[23:54:05] <andypugh> If you look in the samples sim-axis-vismach-VMC-toolchange you can watch it in action on a simulted machine
[23:54:40] <andypugh> Or even on Youtube :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfZwpjUs1xI
[23:54:50] <minibnz> ok for some reason my installation does not have that folder in the sim folder. i will see if i can find a copy.thanks.
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[23:57:22] <minibnz> hey that video is almost exactly what i had in mind.. my unit was going to be a little different but i might just make it the same as what you have done..
[23:58:38] <andypugh> That video is of the sim config that you should be able to just run
[23:59:11] <minibnz> i gotta find the sim config first.. :)
[23:59:14] <minibnz> working on that now..
[23:59:28] <andypugh> Which version are you on?
[23:59:40] <minibnz> 2
[23:59:46] <minibnz> 2.5.4
[23:59:58] <andypugh> You need to upgrade.
