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[00:01:03] <pink_vampire2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPKjFHkreLA
[00:02:09] <Polymorphism> that is nice
[00:03:58] <pink_vampire2> what is the product that you make?
[00:04:25] <pink_vampire2> Polymorphism: ^
[00:06:40] <Polymorphism> custom specialized
[00:06:46] <Polymorphism> nothing for production yet
[00:06:58] <Polymorphism> this diamond drag bit
[00:07:00] <Polymorphism> I like this a lot
[00:07:07] <Polymorphism> no matter hwich machine I get
[00:07:11] <Polymorphism> I will use this for my lettering!!!
[00:07:15] <Polymorphism> amaxing
[00:07:45] <pink_vampire2> you have to use servos with that.
[00:07:47] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMe471YC57s&t=4m15s
[00:08:18] <pink_vampire2> it's spring loaded shank with dimond tip
[00:08:40] <Polymorphism> why would I need servos
[00:09:05] <Polymorphism> http://www.widgetworksunlimited.com/CNC_Diamond_Drag_Engraving_Bit_p/cnc-dmnd_engrv-500.htm
[00:09:11] <Polymorphism> I want to diamond engrave tile
[00:09:45] <pink_vampire2> you don't have to.. but stepper can loose steps
[00:09:59] <Loetmichel2> i would go mad if my machine would move that slow ;)
[00:10:38] <Loetmichel2> pink_vampire: steppers only lose steps if underrated.
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[00:11:02] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, I think you have the answer to my ultimate question
[00:11:02] <Polymorphism> =D
[00:11:18] <pink_vampire2> Loetmichel2: how you can press the dimond drag with stepper???
[00:11:39] <Polymorphism> with z axis?
[00:12:21] <Loetmichel2> same as with a servo actuated: with a springloaded diamond ORW relying on the gantry to provide "spring"
[00:12:23] <Loetmichel2> :-)
[00:12:27] <pink_vampire2> I can press almost half a ton with the Z axis.
[00:13:28] <Loetmichel2> my CNC at home can press down with about 200kg... which is VERY ok for a selfbuild machine that has only 1A steppers...
[00:13:29] <Loetmichel2> ;-)
[00:14:09] <Loetmichel2> you dont need that much pressure for a drag diamond tho
[00:14:10] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmNuG15cqNw&t=0m49s
[00:14:14] <pink_vampire2> one time i rune a gcode without turn on the spindle, and it push the endmill through the material
[00:14:20] <Loetmichel2> about 10kg is totally sufficient
[00:14:31] <Polymorphism> can the 6040 do that?
[00:14:35] <Polymorphism> with 4th axis
[00:14:36] <pink_vampire2> no
[00:14:56] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: it can
[00:15:02] <pink_vampire2> it's a full granit machnie and it cost about 7k
[00:15:14] <Loetmichel2> but not that precise
[00:15:25] <Loetmichel2> or you need more time
[00:15:47] <Polymorphism> Loetmichel2, http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-CNC-Router-Engraver-Milling-Machine-Engraving-Drilling-4-Axis-6040-Desktop-/291054639648 http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/
[00:15:50] <Polymorphism> I noticed something major
[00:15:54] <Polymorphism> this is my biggest problem
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[00:16:04] <Polymorphism> the ebay one, 2.7" z travel
[00:16:35] <Loetmichel2> Polymorphism: 4th axis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDcCyF_gVoY
[00:17:28] <Loetmichel2> yeah, so?
[00:17:44] <Loetmichel2> my does a har short of 100mm
[00:17:49] <Loetmichel2> its enough tho
[00:17:52] <Loetmichel2> hair
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[00:20:26] <pink_vampire2> Polymorphism: I think each of us will donate you a machining part for you cnc..
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[00:21:24] <pink_vampire2> Loetmichel2: he is gone.
[00:22:00] <djdelorie> he is gone *for now*
[00:22:36] <pink_vampire2> I was the same..
[00:23:48] <djdelorie> reading back.... I'm pretty sure my z-axis can break my machine if it wanted to
[00:24:15] <djdelorie> nema 34 servo with a 2:1 pulley and 16 tpi thread
[00:24:23] <pink_vampire2> stepper or servo?
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[00:24:36] <djdelorie> it's all servos
[00:24:43] <pink_vampire2> yeah.. that nice.
[00:24:46] <pink_vampire2> ac?
[00:24:59] <djdelorie> yup, I'm a big fan of servos. Mine are BLDC with the custom controllers
[00:25:23] <pink_vampire2> me too
[00:25:35] <djdelorie> I mean... they never miss a step and don't get hot when idle, what's the down side?
[00:25:46] <_methods> &&&
[00:25:49] <_methods> $$$
[00:26:13] <djdelorie> If you're comparing an industrial servo setup against a rambo with some nema 17's, sure, $$$
[00:26:15] <Loetmichel2> [01:22] <djdelorie> he is gone *for now* <- thats the problem
[00:26:25] <Loetmichel2> some people just cant decide
[00:26:27] <pink_vampire2> now the dc servo are almost the same price as stepper
[00:26:59] <pink_vampire2> or she is a woman :)
[00:27:37] <pink_vampire2> we have that problem..
[00:27:59] <djdelorie> in my house, it's my wife who keeps telling me "just buy it already!" :-)
[00:29:30] <pink_vampire2> djdelorie: if I go shopping I can come back with nothing
[00:31:41] <pink_vampire2> just try to find comfortable high heels that look nice
[00:32:55] <pink_vampire2> djdelorie: ^
[00:33:11] <djdelorie> I have a hard enough time finding comfortable sneakers
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[00:34:08] <Loetmichel2> i dont go shopping
[00:34:09] <pink_vampire2> Polymorphism: welcome back
[00:34:14] <Loetmichel2> way to lazy
[00:34:16] <Polymorphism> pink_vampire, ty
[00:34:17] <Loetmichel2> i order online
[00:34:21] <Polymorphism> I crashed
[00:34:25] <Polymorphism> I guess
[00:34:29] <Polymorphism> did anyone reply to my messages?
[00:34:51] <pink_vampire2> what do you want to order?
[00:35:06] <Polymorphism> the best premade machine or kit under 3000
[00:35:15] <Polymorphism> ideally a machine
[00:35:16] <Polymorphism> ready to cut
[00:36:09] <pink_vampire2> for a kit you need to add spindle + vfd (400$) and servo motors (1000)
[00:36:48] <pink_vampire2> so you have left 1000$ for body
[00:37:10] <djdelorie> Polymorphism: buy this: http://www.smw3d.com/ox-diy-cnc-kit/
[00:37:18] <pink_vampire2> and 600 for other stuff that you will descover
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[00:37:45] <djdelorie> you end up spending more on tooling than the cnc anyway, right? ;-)
[00:38:09] <pink_vampire2> look at the rail OMG that JUNK!
[00:38:29] <djdelorie> yeah, but it fits his budget and work area specs
[00:38:59] <djdelorie> and he can save the difference in $$ to spend on the next cnc machine :-)
[00:39:01] <Polymorphism> let me take a look
[00:39:11] <Polymorphism> no I want my first machine to be my 2nd
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[00:40:04] <Polymorphism> to diy will cost more than the X6
[00:40:10] <Polymorphism> and take a lot of time
[00:40:12] <djdelorie> well my 1st machine is made of plywood, so I don't see why you're listening to *my* opinion :-)
[00:40:19] <Polymorphism> xD
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[00:41:22] <Polymorphism> can someone address the z travel/spindle height difference/issue between x6/6040
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[00:45:25] <Polymorphism> http://www.smw3d.com/r7-cnc-diy-kit/
[00:47:41] <Polymorphism> how does that comapare?
[00:47:44] <Polymorphism> -a
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[00:51:49] <Polymorphism> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/benchtop-pro-cnc-machine-kit-p-314.html
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[01:18:28] <XXCoder> djdelorie: servos also wear. steppers last longer.
[01:18:44] <djdelorie> I've never heard that one
[01:18:56] <XXCoder> I recall that on pro vs con page
[01:19:09] <XXCoder> its 2 negs is cost and wear bit faster
[01:19:13] <XXCoder> not too big though
[01:20:35] <pink_vampire> back
[01:20:49] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: still here?
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[01:22:11] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: with dc servo you have to replace brush after some time..
[01:22:17] <pink_vampire> not a big deal.
[01:23:59] <pink_vampire> I just got my fisher tap guide
[01:26:06] <XXCoder> heh fisher toy tap guide toy? ;)
[01:26:39] <Polymorphism> yes
[01:26:45] <Polymorphism> was jut looking at this http://imgur.com/a/oYaiW
[01:27:17] <XXCoder> that looks awesome
[01:30:35] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: why are you call it toy?????????
[01:30:52] <XXCoder> fisher is famous toy brand
[01:31:48] <pink_vampire> you meant fisher price?
[01:31:51] <pink_vampire> ...
[01:31:56] <XXCoder> yep
[01:32:02] <pink_vampire> loll ok..
[01:36:14] <malcom2073> Nice find Polymorphism
[01:36:32] <XXCoder> evil take on kids drawing lol http://deadstate.org/look-what-happens-when-dark-humored-adults-get-ahold-of-a-childrens-coloring-book/
[01:36:40] <XXCoder> very nice find indeed mal
[01:37:11] <Polymorphism> http://mkmra2.blogspot.com/2014/08/cnc-cut-wood-joinery.html this is interesting as well
[01:37:20] <Polymorphism> I'll be back in a while
[01:37:53] <XXCoder> Polymorphism: that ones good if you dont care about micro gaps
[01:38:11] <XXCoder> oh there is other designs
[01:39:38] <Polymorphism> I like some of the blind corner joints for electronic projects in wooden enclosures
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[01:40:45] <malcom2073> I someday want to get into wood, metal is so much more fun though
[01:42:28] <pink_vampire> the tap guide is double sided and very tight
[01:42:58] <pink_vampire> no wiggle at all
[01:43:16] <jdh> just a little
[01:43:46] <djdelorie> XXCoder: were you comparing AC servos, or brushless DC servos? brushless have no brushes to wear out...
[01:44:15] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: also ac
[01:44:21] <XXCoder> hmm yeah but then isnt brushless usually more cost
[01:44:28] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: he already said ac
[01:44:52] <Polymorphism> back in a bit
[01:44:54] <malcom2073> I don't think many people use brushed servos anymore do they?
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[01:45:48] <XXCoder> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rDLKJrN7EbE/U_ubWRDoJDI/AAAAAAAACQI/qV6fdUJOIvM/s1600/IMG_6921.JPG this is awesome
[01:45:58] <XXCoder> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y9GDEQTxpK0/U_ubWxwo_jI/AAAAAAAACQY/GBKSfLwRyuw/s1600/IMG_6922.JPG disconnected
[01:46:08] <djdelorie> I'm just trying to understand why a BLDC motor would "wear" faster than a stepper, when they both have the same number of moving parts
[01:46:08] <malcom2073> Yeah
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[01:46:41] <XXCoder> that was one of stuff I wondered about.
[01:46:50] <XXCoder> lemme find that pro con page again
[01:46:55] <malcom2073> I'd expect BLDC motors would last longer, smoother motion is less wear and tear on the bearings yeah?
[01:47:29] <XXCoder> found it
[01:47:31] <XXCoder> http://www.vickers-warnick.com/news/choosing-the-right-motor-stepper-motors-and-servo-motors/
[01:47:38] <djdelorie> if the drive electronics are working right, yup. The drive electronics are much more complicated though, and you need encoders and such
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[01:48:39] <djdelorie> "The motor may be DC or AC" so it's not specific to BLDC
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[01:49:32] <djdelorie> heh. "Servo motors are ideal for high-reliability" yet steppers have "Long lifespan". Pick one side or the other...
[01:49:48] <malcom2073> Heh, looks like it was written by the president of the company
[01:49:54] <XXCoder> it is possible. after all, it can degrade but remain working
[01:49:56] <malcom2073> maybe he should leave this sort of thing to the CTO or engineers
[01:50:10] <XXCoder> while otehr remains high till it wears and degrades faster
[01:50:50] <djdelorie> perhaps, but... same moving parts inside... should be the same lifetime, assuming same load and ignoring the heat difference
[01:51:06] <malcom2073> Steppers do often run hotter
[01:51:15] <XXCoder> heh yeah mine was quite hot
[01:51:33] <djdelorie> yup, my 3d printer has a heat problem with one of the steppers - I have to carefully balance holding torque with heat
[01:51:34] <malcom2073> I don't often come across bad motors in scrapped out hardware interestingly enough
[01:52:46] <djdelorie> I've never had my servos get hot, even after a long cnc run
[01:53:02] <malcom2073> Right, current is roughly equivalant to load.steppers they run full current
[01:54:19] <djdelorie> If it weren't for the higher cost, and that gap is narrowing, servos would be an easy winner
[01:54:30] <malcom2073> I'd totally be running servos if it wasn't for the price gap
[01:54:32] <XXCoder> I wonder if servos is quieter than steppers lol
[01:54:39] <malcom2073> servos are WAY quieter
[01:54:41] <djdelorie> oh yeah, way quieter
[01:54:43] <XXCoder> not that I really care but I do have neighbors
[01:54:44] <malcom2073> As in, damn near silent in comparison
[01:54:57] <djdelorie> my nema 34 servos are quieter than the nema 17s on my printer
[01:55:12] <malcom2073> Mine are loud as hell, but my stepper drives aren't the best
[01:55:52] <malcom2073> djdelorie: pololus are notoriously loud anyway :)
[01:56:13] <djdelorie> mine is a rambo, but I think it's the same driver chip
[01:56:20] <malcom2073> yeah
[01:56:40] <djdelorie> my wife says the printer "sings" and she can hear it from two rooms over
[01:56:46] <malcom2073> Haha yeah, mine does too
[01:56:49] <malcom2073> My kids love it
[01:57:03] <malcom2073> I have two, and one is a screw printer one is belt drive, they make distinctly different tunes
[01:57:20] <djdelorie> whereas the cnc is kinda creepy - you can't tell its on unless you see it moving
[01:57:30] <malcom2073> Nice drives
[01:58:03] <djdelorie> thank you, I think - if you're referring to the electronics
[01:58:12] <malcom2073> Haha yeah, they'd be if they're quiet
[01:58:39] <djdelorie> my drivers are custom designed by me: http://www.delorie.com/electronics/bldc/
[01:58:40] <malcom2073> One day I'll get back to servos and get my mill quiet, it's so noisy right now
[01:59:03] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: I have to use the stack light to know it the machine is power,
[01:59:04] <malcom2073> Ohhh that's cool
[01:59:12] <malcom2073> Have you seen stmbl?
[01:59:20] <pink_vampire> you can't hear it
[01:59:27] <XXCoder> wow http://interestingengineering.com/denmark-has-a-miniature-version-of-the-world-you-can-walk-on/
[01:59:40] <XXCoder> denmark may be my first outside usa vication lol
[01:59:41] <djdelorie> pink_vampire: twice today I forgot to turn off my bridgeport
[02:00:03] <pink_vampire> just add a stack light.
[02:00:38] <djdelorie> it has LED displays, I just forget to look at them :-)
[02:00:44] <malcom2073> djdelorie: That's fairly awesome, got a BOM?
[02:00:58] <djdelorie> malcom2073: haven't heard of it, but it's not that hard to do a bldc driver. The hard part is the software.
[02:01:13] <pink_vampire> djdelorie: http://imgur.com/a/c7XuH
[02:01:18] <malcom2073> stmbl is an AC servo driver
[02:01:28] <djdelorie> I probably have a BOM somewhere, cost with pcbs is around $150-$200 per driver board
[02:01:32] <malcom2073> Not bad
[02:03:04] <djdelorie> then you add a couple hundred for a decent motor, it adds up...
[02:03:14] <malcom2073> Of course heh
[02:03:17] <djdelorie> servos win on "cheap" :-P
[02:03:32] <malcom2073> I have a set of brushed DC motors, and a set of brushless, but I think they're AC
[02:03:34] <malcom2073> I gotta check
[02:03:35] <XXCoder> heh my stepper and controller kit all total to bit over $100
[02:03:35] <djdelorie> but that board - in theory - will drive a 7 HP motor. Mine are only 1/3 HP
[02:03:48] <XXCoder> thats 3 steppers kit
[02:04:00] <djdelorie> XXCoder: nema 34?
[02:04:15] <XXCoder> 24 actually, 34s would be around $100 more
[02:04:37] <malcom2073> I got a ful set of 34's for $250
[02:04:52] <malcom2073> + another $150 for a 3 axis drive, but that was on auction
[02:05:00] <pink_vampire> I don't know what to do with my machine. :(
[02:05:06] <djdelorie> I still can't figure out how to compare "power" between steppers and servos though
[02:05:14] <XXCoder> I do want to upgrade my machine evenually with better motors and controller
[02:05:26] <malcom2073> djdelorie: I compared stall torque of the motors with the rated power of the steppers, seemed to work pretty well on my mill he
[02:05:32] <XXCoder> but I must run a bunch to try recoup cost a little,
[02:05:52] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: more artwork?
[02:06:13] <pink_vampire> I don't have ball end mills :(
[02:06:16] <pink_vampire> yet..
[02:06:28] <XXCoder> maybe some 2d artwork
[02:06:38] <djdelorie> mine: stall torque 1.04 Nm, peak 4.1 Nm, at up to around 2000 RPMs with my power supply
[02:06:56] <djdelorie> (servos don't lose torque at high RPMs the way steppers do, either :)
[02:07:10] <malcom2073> True
[02:07:19] <malcom2073> My stepper setup is fairly speed limited, because of the high impedance
[02:07:30] <malcom2073> but they're 1600oz/inch
[02:07:39] <djdelorie> oz/inch or oz-inch ?
[02:08:04] <djdelorie> and is that with or without microstepping?
[02:08:05] <malcom2073> whatever steppers are rated in, I assumed it was a torque
[02:08:16] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: that is the max in feed rate?
[02:08:16] <djdelorie> torque would be oz-inch
[02:08:28] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: I get about 25ipm rapids
[02:08:34] <malcom2073> much faster and I can get stalling, but I think that's due to resonance
[02:08:59] <djdelorie> ah, see I can cut at 300 IPM without worrying about stalling or missing steps :-)
[02:09:01] <pink_vampire> how much it in mm/min?
[02:09:09] <malcom2073> I'm fairly sure my mill would bend, it's only a knee mill
[02:09:26] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: 635mm/min
[02:09:31] <djdelorie> mine always bends, it's plywood
[02:09:36] <malcom2073> heh
[02:09:38] <pink_vampire> that sloooooow
[02:09:43] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: Yes.
[02:09:45] <malcom2073> It's a knee mill
[02:09:55] <malcom2073> On steppers no less
[02:10:08] <pink_vampire> what is a knee mill?
[02:10:15] <djdelorie> like my bridgeport
[02:10:22] <malcom2073> google it, it's a type of mill
[02:10:31] <XXCoder> it mills knees. ;)
[02:10:35] <djdelorie> http://www.delorie.com/photos/bridgeport/img_2808.html
[02:10:40] <malcom2073> it has a giant "knee" that goes up and down, allowing you to mill very large pieces
[02:11:15] <pink_vampire> that nice machine.
[02:11:37] <djdelorie> thanks, I got it from a one-man shop so I'm only the second person to use it :-)
[02:11:57] <pink_vampire> cool
[02:12:07] <malcom2073> https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/12080338_1147898725224507_7425908537789543284_o.jpg
[02:12:11] <malcom2073> There's mine, looking significantly less nice
[02:12:13] <pink_vampire> I wish I have a space for something like that..
[02:12:47] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: CLEAN IT!!!
[02:12:53] <XXCoder> malcom2073: I recall you had some sort of problem? was it fixed?
[02:12:57] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: It's a *LOT* cleaner now heh
[02:13:07] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Yep, it's running now. Switched to steppers, got everything up and running
[02:13:14] <XXCoder> nice
[02:14:26] <malcom2073> Still need to mill myself a tool holder holder, so I can use a proper wrench to tighten collets
[02:14:43] <malcom2073> until then, I'm limited to the 4-5 standard sized endmill holders I have, cant use my collets heh
[02:14:55] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: take a rag and wipe it down.
[02:15:18] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: he already said he cleaned it
[02:15:23] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: Hah, that took a lot more scrubbing than a rag to get off :) It's cleaned up now
[02:15:44] <malcom2073> IT sat outside under a tarp for quite a while, and before that I think it was in a shop and never cleaned
[02:15:50] <pink_vampire> I want to see a picture!
[02:16:04] <malcom2073> I'm housesitting my parents house right now, I'll take one later :P
[02:16:44] <pink_vampire> ok.. :)
[02:17:17] <pink_vampire> I need 8mm square socket
[02:17:43] <pink_vampire> where can I get something like that?
[02:18:16] <Crom> pink_vampire, look thru your 12 point sockets for something that'll fit
[02:18:26] <pink_vampire> no.
[02:18:37] <Crom> otherwise sears used to have them
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[02:19:13] <Crom> my pops only has a standard 8 point set
[02:19:41] <pink_vampire> I need it for the drawbar
[02:19:56] <Crom> I have serveral 8 points.. 1/4", 5/16", 3/8", and 1/2",
[02:20:13] <Crom> I have several 8 points.. 1/4", 5/16", 3/8", and 1/2",
[02:20:21] <pink_vampire> but it round on the edges.
[02:21:16] <Crom> take a impact 1/4 socket, aneal it. then brotch a 8mm square in it
[02:21:25] <Crom> then retemper it
[02:22:31] <XXCoder> can mill out squarish hole first
[02:22:33] <djdelorie> make one with your cnc machine :-)
[02:22:35] <pink_vampire> Crom: no
[02:22:37] <XXCoder> then broach it easier
[02:22:47] <djdelorie> pick an end mill that matches the corner radius of the drawbar
[02:23:29] <pink_vampire> i can make something from scratch
[02:23:32] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: no broach way would be mill almost square (smallest corner radius you can)
[02:23:36] <XXCoder> then drill corners
[02:23:59] <pink_vampire> but I need 1/16" end mill for that.
[02:24:14] <djdelorie> reminds me of a cnc lathe I saw that could turn hexagonal holes by moving the Z in time with the A axis
[02:24:31] <pink_vampire> the smallest i have is 3/16
[02:24:45] <XXCoder> djdelorie: lathes can do broach if I recall. just do 1 degree angle and both spins together
[02:25:15] <djdelorie> yeah, but this can do ANY shape, not just what the broach company sells. It was cool to watch too
[02:25:21] <djdelorie> but not very fast
[02:25:54] <XXCoder> oh yeah. yeah
[02:26:06] <XXCoder> very complex cut pattern but simple result. works though
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[02:29:52] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-2-Square-8-mm-Metal-Keys-267-28-/151024884961?hash=item2329c8dce1:g:t4gAAOxypstRYzb-
[02:32:05] <Not-Renny> Hey, is it possible to make leadscrews on a plain late, or do you need more specialized equipment to make something functional?
[02:32:54] <djdelorie> sure you can, although you'd probably need a follow steady to do it right
[02:32:55] <pink_vampire> Not-Renny: just get acme screws
[02:33:40] <Not-Renny> I am poor as butts, pink_vampire.
[02:33:48] <djdelorie> I saw a video of making a leadscrew from an acme screw rod, if you're interested I can dig up the url
[02:34:11] <Not-Renny> Hmm, maybe...
[02:34:22] <Not-Renny> But really, all I have access to is a plain lathe..
[02:34:45] <XXCoder> allthread from lowes
[02:34:57] <XXCoder> probably not good enough for machien though
[02:35:07] <djdelorie> Not-Renny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moVDZrYGnyc
[02:35:25] <Not-Renny> Yeah, I'd rather not have an excessively wobbly Z axis....
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[02:42:06] <Duc> Not-Renny, what type of machine
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[02:44:15] <Not-Renny> 3d printer >_>
[02:44:30] <Not-Renny> Still pretty much cnc, sorta
[02:46:35] <XXCoder> its still cnc. computer number control after all
[02:46:44] <XXCoder> there is cnc sew machines
[02:46:50] <Duc> those rods should be about 10 dollars
[02:47:23] <XXCoder> do yourself it
[02:47:25] <XXCoder> ummm
[02:47:29] <XXCoder> DYI lol
[02:47:29] <Not-Renny> I'm having trouble pinning down a source for 5mm screws, though.
[02:47:53] <XXCoder> ball screws is surpising cheap from chinese, just clean bearings
[02:48:00] <Not-Renny> Yeah. Maybe I'll do yourself it a screw like that guy :P
[02:48:24] <Not-Renny> where at, XXCoder?
[02:48:31] <XXCoder> aliexpress or ebay
[02:48:50] <XXCoder> still more expensive than making one yourself though
[02:49:22] <djdelorie> my Z uses a junk 3/8-16 all-thread, it works
[02:49:44] <XXCoder> yeah it does depend on tol needs
[02:50:05] <djdelorie> it really was a case of "make do with what you have and build a better one later"
[02:50:11] <djdelorie> but so far I haven't needed a better one
[02:50:55] <Not-Renny> I have reservations about allthread based on what the printed stuff on the makerspace 3d printer does
[02:51:18] <Not-Renny> Butt, if they have it in metric, I'll probably get some.
[02:55:48] <joem_> its alive!
[02:55:48] <joem_> https://i.imgur.com/YbHxnnn.png
[02:56:19] <XXCoder> I need to build a case heh
[02:56:46] <XXCoder> I suck on manual stuff so I cant make holes for tapping so not too sure how yet lol
[02:58:38] <Polymorphism> http://www.head-fi.org/t/465207/guitarists-my-vintage-inspired-big-muff-guitar-pedal I need themachine to do this
[02:58:53] <Polymorphism> but if the z travel is only 65mm will the 3" case fit under the tool?
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[03:04:02] <Polymorphism> noooooooooooooooo
[03:07:01] <Polymorphism> "In some cases, while the workpiece itself is taller than the standard travel, the actual height delta of contours in the piece are less than the z travel of the machine. In this case, rather than extending the z travel, more room can just be provided for the workpiece."
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[03:13:28] <evil_ren> polymorphism: typically you can move the headstock up and down to fit taller work and longer tools
[03:13:49] <Polymorphism> aha !?
[03:13:55] <Polymorphism> this may be what I've been trying to determine
[03:14:06] <Polymorphism> is that the spindle?
[03:14:15] <evil_ren> kind of
[03:14:21] <evil_ren> its usually what holds the spindle
[03:14:48] <evil_ren> and this is going to be very machine specific, and may not be able to be adjusted without retuning the machine to get spindle perpendicular again
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[03:20:12] <Polymorphism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-STAINLESS-DRAG-ENGRAVING-TOOL-BIT-W-SPRING-LOADED-DIAMOND-TIP-SHERLINE-TAIG-/191825754117?hash=item2ca9b4b805:g:okAAAOSwPc9WzRo0
[03:20:30] <XXCoder> how do that bit work?
[03:20:40] <XXCoder> do it need high rpm or something?
[03:21:19] <XXCoder> video shows it not spinning at all. interesting
[03:21:19] <Polymorphism> 0 rpm
[03:21:57] <XXCoder> handy for some applications I guess.
[03:22:19] <Polymorphism> it's supposed to give a cleaner result for engraving
[03:22:30] <XXCoder> wonder how it looks on glass
[03:23:57] <Polymorphism> great I'll bet
[03:24:22] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPKjFHkreLA
[03:26:14] <XXCoder> definitely considing buying one sometimes
[03:29:17] <XXCoder> second tool looks very weird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t_t8Sp0fAg
[03:32:30] <Polymorphism> he also put the wrong president on there xD
[03:32:57] <XXCoder> heh I'll tajke your word for it. havent seen $1 coin for years
[03:32:58] <Polymorphism> thats a 6090
[03:33:02] <Polymorphism> basically a larger 6040
[03:33:06] <Polymorphism> with cast frame I think
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[03:36:08] <XXCoder> cool
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[04:20:50] <Polymorphism> "milled out a lot of parts today. The machine ran without hitch or issue. The last piece was 1/4" thick aluminum, and it plowed through that in one pass with nary a problem. 4 mm/sec feed speed and 6 mm/sec plunge speed worked fine. I think maybe it would handle it faster, but with only one spare bit, I took it easy. Best quality of cut was made with the spindle at around 15000 rpm. It made the cuts as smooth as glass. I wish
[04:20:50] <Polymorphism> I had bought this machine sooner."
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[04:23:13] <Polymorphism> 1.5kw spindle
[04:23:45] <atlas__> hey guys...looking to get into CNC on a budget -- just small stuff, desktop size even. Looking at Mostly Printed CNC (www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[04:24:00] <atlas__> or maybe a 3020 frame and stuff from http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20160326202152&SearchText=3020+cnc ?
[04:24:22] <XXCoder> suggest not start url with some other url as it isnt clickable heh
[04:24:44] <atlas__> it had a return on it and hit submitted sorry :(
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[04:25:07] <XXCoder> actually was talking about earlier one with ( :)
[04:25:41] <atlas__> www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999 :)
[04:26:20] <XXCoder> weird, it refuse to load, must be hexchat thing, even right click hit load in websiter
[04:26:36] <XXCoder> saved by copy + paste heh
[04:26:57] <XXCoder> whats your polan with cnc?
[04:27:39] <atlas__> want it to be general purpose, maximum difficulty stuff i would like to do would be small aluminum
[04:27:56] <atlas__> hopefully being able to avoid any water or anything like that would be great
[04:28:07] <atlas__> if that's not feasible, I will scrap the idea of being able to do aluminum
[04:28:11] <djdelorie> what budget, and how big?
[04:28:23] <atlas__> $1500CAD
[04:28:35] <atlas__> small. Desktop. Not worried about doing big things, big cuts or anything like that
[04:28:36] <djdelorie> and diy, kit, or ready-to-cut ?
[04:28:41] <atlas__> I'm easy.
[04:28:49] <atlas__> looking at mostly printed or a chinese 3020 currently
[04:29:04] <XXCoder> chinese tend to be ok, expecially if you rebuild it
[04:29:08] <atlas__> I think I could do a mostly printed for under $1k cad pretty easy
[04:29:47] <djdelorie> http://openbuilds.org/builds/c-beam%E2%84%A2-machine-plate-maker.2020/ ?
[04:30:22] <atlas__> djdelorie: oh that looks awesome
[04:31:05] <XXCoder> 8020 beams tend to be bit pricy
[04:31:19] <djdelorie> that one is $500 for the parts kit
[04:31:44] <XXCoder> do it include 8020
[04:33:11] <djdelorie> $525 with steppers. It uses a "c-beam" extrusion but yes, it's included
[04:33:27] <djdelorie> http://openbuildspartstore.com/c-beam-machine-mechanical-bundle/
[04:33:54] <XXCoder> to too bad actually
[04:33:59] <djdelorie> http://openbuildspartstore.com/c-beam-linear-rail/
[04:34:53] * Polymorphism is interested
[04:35:05] <atlas__> usually shipping is a beast, where I am there are these fastenal stores I can get stuff (like all the aluminum and metric rods) shipped for nothing but the hardware costs an arm and a leg..
[04:35:26] <atlas__> https://www.fastenal.com/products/raw-materials/extruded-t-slot-bars-accessories/extruded-t-slot-bars?r=~|categoryl1:%22600930%20Raw%20Materials%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22602694%20Extruded%20T-Slot%20Bars%209and%20Accessories%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22602693%20Extruded%20T-Slot%20Bars%22|~
[04:36:13] <Polymorphism> how much more cost ne3eds to be added to that cbeam to be complete
[04:36:19] <Polymorphism> I wish it was slightly larger work area
[04:36:24] <Polymorphism> and the z travel spec is odd
[04:36:35] <djdelorie> Polymorphism: machining space is 13.5" by 11" by 6" but working depth is only 1.25", and it's a "moving table" style
[04:37:33] <djdelorie> but it's a kit, I suppose you could tweak the parts list to get the specs you wanted
[04:38:08] <djdelorie> they build it just to machine the plates they need for the bigger machines :-)
[04:38:42] <atlas__> yeah, this will be my first CNC build. I have this thing almost completed : http://reprap.org/wiki/Cyclone_PCB_Factory
[04:38:57] <atlas__> so maybe technically my second when that finishes, but I wouldn't count that as anything close to something like that C-Beam openbuild
[04:39:14] <atlas__> so I dont have a lot of idea if I will want a bigger space, or what mods to make, or anything
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[04:39:23] <atlas__> just a solid build to get started
[04:39:40] <Polymorphism> build your 2nd machine first
[04:39:52] <djdelorie> compare to my "first": http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/img_3080.html
[04:40:18] <Polymorphism> this cbeam machine is interesting
[04:40:24] <Polymorphism> weak working depth though...
[04:40:32] <Polymorphism> I couldnt cut guitar pedal enclosures
[04:41:05] <Polymorphism> ebay 6040 2.7" z travel...
[04:41:07] <djdelorie> did you look at all the other designs at openbuilds? I did point out their OX kit...
[04:41:21] <Polymorphism> does it have a precut mechanical kit?>
[04:41:31] <Polymorphism> ah yes I see
[04:41:32] <Polymorphism> I wonder
[04:41:33] <atlas__> I haven't, I did hear a lot of reccomendations for the OX build when looking around
[04:41:51] <djdelorie> check out their parts store; they design around common parts so you can swap stuff out as needed
[04:41:57] <atlas__> the ox and cbeam look very similar
[04:42:28] <atlas__> Ox looks a lot like the X-Carve
[04:43:02] <Polymorphism> looks a lot more rigid
[04:43:14] <djdelorie> because it's a lot smaller
[04:43:54] <Polymorphism> I'd want to see what it can do
[04:43:57] <Polymorphism> asnd what the total price is
[04:44:01] <Polymorphism> to start cutting
[04:45:12] <atlas__> oh and thanks for the advice and direction here guys, really neat to find a bunch of nerds to talk about this stuff
[04:45:24] <atlas__> been flying blind for a while reading forum posts about rebuilding chinese CNCs and stuff
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[04:46:11] <Polymorphism> that ox is 1400 well e quipped
[04:46:21] <Polymorphism> and thats without a proper spindle
[04:46:21] <XXCoder> nerd alert!
[04:47:32] <Polymorphism> there is also almost no info about this "ox"
[04:47:39] <Polymorphism> dozens of videos of pcbs being cut on 6040s
[04:47:43] <Polymorphism> cant find a proper one for ox
[04:49:07] <djdelorie> try searching for "ox cnc" on youtube
[04:49:46] <Polymorphism> I did
[04:51:25] <djdelorie> well, I don't need to talk you into it. Buy whatever you want to buy, doesn't matter to me. I'm just pointing out options.
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[04:52:33] <Polymorphism> I'm reading about it now
[04:52:50] <Valen> we can CNC pcbs on our mill
[04:53:07] <Valen> its not worth it though $15 and 10 days and you get 10x professionally made ones with solder mask
[04:53:19] <Valen> silk screen the works
[04:53:44] <Valen> What I'd like though is a cheapish spindle with a tool changer
[04:54:31] <Polymorphism> the z travel isnt enough on this ox I don't think
[04:54:35] <atlas__> yeah, I'm just interested in the DIY-hackery aspect of etching out a circuit and using it in a 3d printed / CNC'd case, just cool to fabricate a bunch of the process here is more for the hobby/interest than anything
[04:54:55] <atlas__> it would be neat to get it professionally made silk screened etc though !
[04:55:03] <djdelorie> the only reasons you'd mill your own pcb for are: (1) you get it NOW, and (2) it's fun.
[04:55:07] <atlas__> I will have to try it out, do you use someone local or ??
[04:55:12] <Valen> I just found soldering up stuff that's been engraved is a pain in the ass
[04:55:20] <Valen> I use the guy who runs #hackvana
[04:55:35] <Valen> he gets it done in china
[04:55:44] <djdelorie> I use oshpark
[04:55:53] <Valen> no solder mask makes it too easy to get bridges for me
[04:56:05] <Valen> I do CnC a soldermask with the mill though
[04:56:10] <Valen> that makes it *so* much easier
[04:58:16] <atlas__> could you explain how the soldermask works and how you do it with the CnC?
[04:59:21] <Polymorphism> http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server2300/itwgldve/product_images/uploaded_images/c-beam-machine-examples.jpg?t=1444857498
[04:59:25] <atlas__> I've been making circuits with arduino/breadboard for a bit now, just starting to figure out how I'm going to make a custom circuit and solder a chip onto it etc, sorry for noob question !
[05:00:21] <Valen> atlas__: the professional boards have soldermask, CnC doesn't sorry I misspoke, I meant to say solder stencil
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[05:00:51] <atlas__> ahh makes sense
[05:00:55] <Valen> so you just squeegee the solder paste on, then drop the IC's on, put it on a frying pan and its done
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[05:01:53] * djdelorie loves solder stencils...
[05:02:31] <Polymorphism> must sleep, back tomorrow
[05:03:27] <atlas__> oooh
[05:03:33] <atlas__> so you make a stencil with the cnc
[05:03:43] <Valen> yeah
[05:03:50] <atlas__> to stop you from fucking up solder running on something
[05:03:54] <atlas__> oh that is very clever
[05:04:32] <atlas__> so would you put a laser head on it or? what material do you use to stencil?
[05:04:35] <Valen> http://www.vapourforge.com/jake/temp/milled-soldermask-for-spinster-aluminium-close.jpg http://www.vapourforge.com/jake/temp/milled-soldermask-for-spinster-aluminium.jpg http://www.vapourforge.com/jake/temp/milled-soldermask-for-spinster-printed.jpg
[05:05:05] <Valen> you can order them with your PCB's, they cost like I think $20 in stainless steel
[05:05:53] <djdelorie> brass and a small end mill works
[05:07:30] <djdelorie> or a suitably-sized drill, for spot soldering
[05:10:37] <XXCoder> HMMM
[05:10:38] <XXCoder> http://eightbitradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/vigo.gif
[05:10:49] <XXCoder> convert to black and white, do 3d artwork
[05:11:34] <Polymorphism> "New update...I just finished up cutting some ovals out of 1/16" 304 (I think, maybe 18-8) stainless steel. I think I have either a miracle bit or a miracle machine, because it cut it without a problem @ 5 mm/sec feed speed with the spindle wide open, and a steady stream of kool-mist solution with only enough airflow to clear the chips. Made a very clean cut...almost mirror bright with almost no burring. I ordered 10 more of
[05:11:34] <Polymorphism> those bits. Anyone thinking about one of these machines, BUY IT! "
[05:12:17] <Polymorphism> ah he damaged his bit though
[05:16:24] <djdelorie> which machine is that?
[05:27:33] <Polymorphism> 6040
[05:28:02] <djdelorie> ah. If that does what you want, buy it. You don't need to convince us of what you need ;-)
[05:33:33] <CaptHindsight> Valen: is that for curved boards? :)
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[07:22:15] <unfyhome> z axis of lil wood / drawer slide / etc cnc coming together slowly. just brazed some motor mounts and stuff... "lunch" (at 02:00 heh) time!
[07:24:37] <archivist> are you dealing with the play in slides?
[07:24:58] <unfyhome> not using full extension side mount slides... using under mount slides
[07:25:10] <unfyhome> comparitively so, there's like no play heh
[07:25:26] <unfyhome> since there's 2 sets of moving parts and only the one
[07:25:40] <archivist> erm..no play, dont believe it
[07:27:07] <unfyhome> ya grab it and twist or pull and they don't budge. i was about ready to dismantle them to tighten in a vice, but it wasn't necessary
[07:28:05] <unfyhome> is it metalworking machinest quality ? no, but that's not even worth asking given that they're *drawer slides* heh
[07:33:10] <unfyhome> normal drawer slides folks seem to use: http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/6/2/7/6/3/0/webimg/704078621_o.jpg which has all kinds of movement
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[07:33:30] <unfyhome> a more typical under mount slide: http://images.meredith.com/wood/images/2014/02/p_101615434.jpg
[07:33:38] <unfyhome> there's nothing 'floating' in that.
[07:34:14] <archivist> the balls
[07:34:52] <unfyhome> dunno if i can face palm any harder
[07:35:05] <unfyhome> there's an apparent lack of communication heh
[07:35:17] <unfyhome> or at least a failure
[07:35:41] <archivist> I have made my own machine and looked at ball slides
[07:37:34] <MrSunshine_> hmm, i wonder how it works to scrape a bigger area flat than the reference
[07:37:54] <MrSunshine_> got a cast iron plate i need to get dead flat .. but my stone is smaller than the plate =)
[07:40:37] <archivist> you can use a level to check how flat it is
[07:41:04] <MrSunshine_> true
[07:41:34] <MrSunshine_> will be hell to get the frekkin holes drilled in the plate in the drill press :/
[07:42:25] <archivist> I used a portable when I made new fixing holes on mine
[07:45:02] <archivist> I figured a small error in vertical was ok for bolt holes
[07:48:18] <MrSunshine_> yeah =) but i do not have anything portable .. a friend got a magnetic drill tho but then i have to either borrow it or get the cast iron plate to him =)
[07:49:49] <MrSunshine_> tho i do have a stand for an ordenary drill .. but its kinda stuck :P
[07:52:34] <MrSunshine_> hoping that i get to test the new mill stuff today =) got the collumn stand square, holes drilled for holders for the X1 collumn need to make angles that mount to the collumn, drill holes in the cast iron then i can check how stiff it is :P
[07:53:29] <MrSunshine_> but friend might come over today and help me with some work on the cnc machine ... so much i want to do so little time :P
[07:54:12] <archivist> if he is coming over tell him bring the magnetic drill :)
[07:54:24] <MrSunshine_> not same friend :(
[07:55:10] <archivist> aw
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[08:02:53] <MrSunshine_> but on the bright side, atleast i got two friends! :P
[08:06:24] <archivist> well have a cnc party
[08:06:45] <archivist> done bing beer, bring tools
[08:06:49] <archivist> dont
[08:07:16] <MrSunshine_> haha :P
[08:08:34] <archivist> I went to help someone, came home with gear cutters :) made the tooling to hold them yesterday
[08:11:52] <MrSunshine_> gah, gonna go and mark the hole location and sizes and do a trip to my friend i think ... i realy want this thing done as far as posible before i get visit =)
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[08:18:50] <Deejay> moin
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[09:57:57] <codepython777> Polymorphism: any decision yet? :)
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[10:07:50] <unfyhome> z axis pillow block made and attached, brought everything inside so it can do it's thing in a warmer area. i may be 1/8th inch off on the nut on the z axis though, we'll see.
[10:08:11] <unfyhome> planning spindle mount jig
[10:09:13] <unfyhome> also: warming up. brrrrr
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[10:18:42] <minibnz> can anyone tell me how or where to find the carousel component for linnuxcnc?
[10:19:23] <minibnz> andy pugh is the author of what i have found but my install doesnt seem to have the module available, can anyone tell me what i need to do?
[10:20:12] <minibnz> does it exist in a complete and usable form?
[10:21:27] <archivist> where did you find it, wiki or in the source
[10:21:37] <minibnz> in a wiki page
[10:21:56] <minibnz> when i tired adding the loadrt command it could not find the module
[10:22:25] <archivist> seems in the source too http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/carousel.9.html
[10:22:44] <archivist> are you using a recent version
[10:23:08] <minibnz> no i only have 2.5.1 installed
[10:23:12] <minibnz> might be time to upgrade
[10:26:30] <minibnz> oh looks like my repo's only have this version. going to see how i upgrade to the latest version and take it from there. thanks
[10:27:19] <archivist> there are some things just on the wiki but not that one
[10:30:06] <minibnz> ok thanks. looks like i am going to have to install it from source code as i cannot find a later deb package than what i have
[10:30:52] <minibnz> oh man this is going to take a while.. i dont even have git installed on this machine.. was built from the 10.04 live cd
[10:32:48] <archivist> should be able to update if you point at the correct repo
[10:33:26] <minibnz> hmm thats the thing i cant find any instructions to the right repo all the links i find are telling me to use the source code :(
[10:33:29] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.6
[10:35:03] <minibnz> oh wow the google fu is strong with this one.. :) thanks
[10:36:35] <archivist> might be in 2.7 for all I know
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[10:38:42] <minibnz> ok back now.
[10:39:01] <minibnz> battery in laptop died even though its reporting 100%..
[10:39:20] <minibnz> oh ok so i might need to change that to 2.7
[10:39:44] <minibnz> will have to wait for it to do its apt-get thing that its doing then i will give it a shot and see what it wants to do.
[10:41:39] <minibnz> i pretty much have a working carosuel written in the ladder plc, it takes the Tx commands no problems but when i issue a M6 sometimes the carousel will reset the pocket requested to zero.
[10:41:57] <minibnz> was trying to work out that problem when i came across the component module page
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[11:11:05] <minibnz> ahhh damn... the hard drive is full....
[11:11:47] <minibnz> no upgrade for me..
[11:12:18] <minibnz> will have to find me a bigger Compact flashcard before i can upgrade it.. now i gotta go find some space so the machine will keep running
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[11:22:39] <minibnz> oh wow this is not going to be fun.. apt-get will not let me clean up until the current proceess is finished.. but the process cannot finish due to insufficient space :(
[11:25:12] <minibnz> think i am really giong to have to find me a bigger card transfer the image and resize the drive then continue my mission
[11:35:58] <archivist> I usually just go and clean the log dir
[11:36:49] <minibnz> ahhh i just scraped 500mb out of the debian package archive.. they are all installed and no longer required. :)
[11:37:19] <minibnz> ran an autoremove to help things out and now i have 700mb free.. enought to run but not update
[11:37:47] <minibnz> will get a new card and upgrade later. mean time i will see if can hack my way around my problem
[11:58:26] <cpresser> minibnz: mount a nfs volume to /var/cache/apt. no need to get a bigger card
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[12:28:24] <Polymorphism> codepython777 not yet
[12:28:35] <Polymorphism> I just messaged 15 sellers on ebay asking for their best price
[12:28:41] <Polymorphism> then it blocked me from sending any more msgs
[12:30:09] <Polymorphism> there are several variations I messaged about
[12:30:28] <Polymorphism> one seller said they would give me a better price if I bought direct using paypal outside of ebay
[12:30:31] <Polymorphism> not too sure about that.
[12:30:43] <Polymorphism> not even sure that type of message is permitted
[12:31:04] <Polymorphism> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/chinese-machines/303334-cnc.html
[12:31:08] <Polymorphism> a couple of replies to my thread so far
[12:33:19] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z-2NPeYTQ4
[12:35:14] <Polymorphism> is this level of accuracy
[12:35:18] <Polymorphism> when a gear is cut, is this a real gear?
[12:35:20] <Polymorphism> or a show gear
[12:35:49] <Polymorphism> what I mean to say is, could I cut functional gears for, hobby rc? for a full size rideable machine>?
[12:37:45] <minibnz> cpresser i do need to get a bigger card in the long run, this 4gb is a little limiting.. i will step up and buy a 8gb card :)
[12:37:51] <minibnz> but that is a nice idea..
[12:38:28] <minibnz> i seem to be doing circles with the tool changer.. and not circles that i wants to be doing. ::(
[12:38:41] <Polymorphism> I'll take the ATC off your hands for you =D
[12:39:25] <minibnz> polymorphisim its not actually a tool changer yet. its a mock up, just a motor and a couple of switches and a linear actuator..
[12:39:43] <Polymorphism> oh nice you're building it yourself
[12:39:56] <minibnz> just trying to get to the point where i understand what i need and what it wants and what i have etc.. .
[12:40:44] <minibnz> yeah looks like a fun little project :)
[12:40:58] <minibnz> that has turned out to be more complex than i had thought..
[12:41:31] <minibnz> i could just knock up a pcb that has a micro on it and do most of the hard stuff there but thought i would see what EMC has to offer me already made
[12:41:34] <Polymorphism> I'm interested if you do come up with something
[12:42:28] <minibnz> there might be a module/component that is already built to drive this but i cannot find it yet.. i think i need to upgrade to the latest version of linuxcnc
[12:43:56] <minibnz> from the wiki page i found it seems to be just what i need. but for now i am fighting the classic ladder PLC to make this motor spin and stop etc in response to the Tx command.. main problem is that when i issue a T5 M6 the M6 resets my variable that held the T number so the carousel goes to pocket zero everytime..
[12:44:04] <archivist> trouble with tool changers are multiple designs and implementations
[12:44:25] <minibnz> i might have to implement a custom gcode for M6 but that just scares me
[12:45:53] <minibnz> my design is pretty simple.. in fact its a slight variation on the standard carousel on a arm. where carousel rotates then is swung under the mill head then the head moves down to pickup then lifts carousel moves out of the way and normall milling resumes.
[12:46:47] <minibnz> just gotta work out why the M6 command wipes my variable.
[12:47:47] <minibnz> i must be missing something in the toolchange steps. but i cannot see where it uses that variable.. might see if using a different memory location helps
[12:48:15] <minibnz> maybe i have something else in the PLC that is tampering with the variable that it looks like the M6 command is doing it..
[12:57:51] <archivist> there are some surprises with how and when things are interpreted
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[13:09:09] <pink_vampire> morning
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[13:09:55] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cnc+quadcopter
[13:10:00] <Polymorphism> morning
[13:10:09] <pink_vampire> it's actually 9am now.
[13:11:02] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: yes you can build QQ with cnc.
[13:11:09] <Polymorphism> I can't wait =D
[13:11:14] <jdh> pink: was that bracket milled from the top with 3d profile?
[13:12:04] <pink_vampire> jdh: you mean to the wire duct holder?
[13:12:40] <jdh> dunno what it is.
[13:12:55] <jdh> long slot on one end, two bolt holes on the other
[13:12:59] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/sq3g4Yh.png
[13:13:05] <pink_vampire> this one?
[13:13:21] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/2jk7wO4.png
[13:13:22] <jdh> yeah
[13:13:30] <pink_vampire> this is how it made
[13:13:43] <Tom_itx> snow on the ground here
[13:14:06] <pink_vampire> 8.5mm thick aluminum plate.
[13:15:47] <jdh> how did you get from the ugly steps to the smooth curve in the top pic
[13:16:15] <Tom_itx> abrasive treatment
[13:16:20] <Polymorphism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giOW5k_0-r0 seems like that could have beenb done more cleanly
[13:16:43] <Polymorphism> what are the basic tools I will need to use my new cnc?
[13:16:50] <Polymorphism> I know I need to buy a square probably
[13:17:03] <Polymorphism> I use librecad and then I will learn linuxcnc
[13:17:13] <Polymorphism> I want to start working in software while I wait
[13:17:19] <Polymorphism> and collecting other accessories and tools I'll need
[13:17:20] <Tom_itx> calipers, mic, square, 123 blocks
[13:17:23] <pink_vampire> powder
[13:17:24] <Tom_itx> much more
[13:17:57] <Polymorphism> I have a caliper I just got, need square
[13:17:57] <pink_vampire> dial
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[13:18:03] <Polymorphism> dont know what 123 blocks or mic are so I'll check now =D
[13:18:24] <pink_vampire> i don't have a square
[13:18:27] <Tom_itx> micrometer
[13:18:30] <Tom_itx> i have 2
[13:18:33] <Tom_itx> squares
[13:18:42] <pink_vampire> I dont have one..
[13:19:51] <Polymorphism> is a micrometer an even more accurate caliper
[13:19:53] <Polymorphism> it looks similar
[13:20:20] <Tom_itx> thread gages, radius gages, gage blocks for a few more
[13:20:47] <Tom_itx> inspection plate, height gage
[13:20:53] <jdh> CMM
[13:21:17] <pink_vampire> I have 123 blocks, 5" vise, set of parallels, clamping kit for the T slot table, dial indicator, digital caliper with practions, calculator,
[13:21:18] <Tom_itx> we had 2 of those too
[13:21:22] <Tom_itx> cmm
[13:22:01] <Tom_itx> last word indicator, radial indicator
[13:22:12] <Polymorphism> wow, lots of stuff to look up!
[13:22:16] <Polymorphism> ty
[13:22:34] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: for your need caliper is fine!
[13:22:37] <Tom_itx> you just spent over your mill budget right there
[13:23:25] <pink_vampire> for engraving is better to go with vacuum table
[13:24:20] <pink_vampire> dial indicator also not very important for engraving.
[13:24:37] <Polymorphism> I just need the basic essentials to start off with for my needs
[13:24:41] <pink_vampire> 123 blocks also don't important.
[13:24:42] <Polymorphism> of cutting panels + engraving them after
[13:24:57] <Polymorphism> I have to go for a bit, I will return
[13:26:19] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: the minimum will be, caliper, clamping kit or vacuum table.
[13:27:05] <minibnz> ok i think i have worked around my problem.. T0 is no longer a valid pocket.. removed T0 from tool table. and gated my tool number so T0 no longer moves the carousel. now i just have to trigger the collet opener to open.. then lover the head and close and rasie the head back up..
[13:30:00] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: ?
[13:32:00] <pink_vampire> Polymorphism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7osLDWeRJ30
[13:32:20] <jdh> you can start with $10 calipers and a decent straight edge
[13:33:06] <jdh> dial indicator or dti is good for tramming the spindle
[13:34:26] <pink_vampire> jdh: for engraving a panel even 30deg off in the spindle not going to make a change.
[13:38:25] <zeeshan> hi
[13:38:55] <Tom_itx> morning zeeshan
[13:39:10] <zeeshan> everyones up early on a sunday :P
[13:39:16] <Tom_itx> after days of 80F there is snow on the ground today!
[13:39:33] <zeeshan> its warm up here
[13:39:41] <pink_vampire> hi zeeshan
[13:39:53] <zeeshan> tom
[13:39:58] <zeeshan> so i took apart my old subaru engine
[13:40:02] <zeeshan> there was a suprise.
[13:40:02] <Tom_itx> working on assembly design this AM
[13:40:06] <Tom_itx> what?
[13:40:09] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/NySkI
[13:40:41] <Tom_itx> fubar
[13:40:52] <zeeshan> completely f'ed
[13:40:53] <zeeshan> :)
[13:41:12] <Tom_itx> what broke first though?
[13:41:53] <Tom_itx> i bet the land chipped off and caught in the top of the cylinder
[13:42:49] <Tom_itx> you can straighten the ring and reuse it though :)
[13:43:02] <zeeshan> lol
[13:43:18] <jdh> that's pretty impressive
[13:44:08] <pink_vampire> what happened there??
[13:44:29] <Tom_itx> pink, a vacation happened
[13:44:46] <Tom_itx> but was cut short
[13:45:48] <zeeshan> lol
[13:45:52] <zeeshan> hahaha
[13:45:55] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure what do you mean
[13:46:01] <Tom_itx> zee does
[13:46:02] <zeeshan> i know what he means thogh :)
[13:46:20] <pink_vampire> :(
[13:47:17] <pink_vampire> any idea what todo today?
[13:47:32] <Tom_itx> sure
[13:47:40] <Tom_itx> come up with a plan and execute it
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[13:48:10] <pink_vampire> I need to make more parts for the panel..
[13:49:08] <pink_vampire> but it's not excited anymore
[13:50:05] <pink_vampire> cnc is boring.
[13:57:23] <Duc> sounds like it time to build a rotary table then
[13:57:33] <Deejay> hi pink
[13:59:30] <pink_vampire> Duc: any idea for cam program for 4th axis?
[13:59:44] <Tom_itx> mastercam
[14:00:33] <pink_vampire> cost
[14:00:40] <Duc> Not to sure. I can use mastercam at home from work
[14:01:09] <Duc> and its fairly easy to find online
[14:02:01] <Deejay> pink_vampire, whats the status of the workpiece?
[14:02:18] <pink_vampire> Deejay: all done.
[14:02:22] <Deejay> pic? :)
[14:02:36] <pink_vampire> need to take..
[14:02:39] <Deejay> ah k
[14:02:43] <Duc> Bobcam is a couple hundred but dam do they call you all the time
[14:02:47] <pink_vampire> give me 2 min..
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[14:02:55] <PolyLaptopism> I'm out to brunch
[14:02:57] <PolyLaptopism> researching cnc
[14:05:32] <Duc> Bobcam website feels like complete spam
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[14:11:35] <Deejay> wb pink_vampire
[14:12:16] <Polylaptopism> hi pink_vampire
[14:12:35] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
[14:12:39] <pink_vampire> hi Polylaptopism
[14:12:50] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/y7iJFq2.png
[14:12:55] <Deejay> ah
[14:12:57] <Deejay> tnx
[14:12:59] <Deejay> nice!
[14:13:02] <Deejay> very nice
[14:13:20] <Deejay> the 'pattern' of the wood
[14:13:39] <pink_vampire> the head caps are foam pvc,
[14:13:58] <Deejay> ah
[14:14:22] <Polylaptopism> nice work
[14:14:39] <pink_vampire> and it's coat with sally hansen xtreme wear top coat.
[14:14:49] <Deejay> sally who? ;)
[14:15:12] <pink_vampire> http://www.drugstore.com/sally-hansen-hard-as-nails-xtreme-wear-nail-color-invisible/qxp348783
[14:15:20] <Polylaptopism> sally hansen!
[14:15:27] <Deejay> looooool
[14:15:32] <Deejay> nails... ;)
[14:15:42] <Deejay> nice
[14:15:50] <pink_vampire> yes. it's a nail polish.
[14:15:55] <Polylaptopism> lol
[14:16:13] <pink_vampire> but it's work.. so..
[14:18:55] <Polylaptopism> if it works, it works
[14:21:45] <pink_vampire> yeah..
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[14:22:15] <Deejay> hi bedah
[14:22:30] <bedah> moin deejay
[14:22:42] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: now you need to fine a machine..
[14:22:43] <bedah> erwischt :)
[14:22:49] <pink_vampire> hi bedah
[14:22:50] <Deejay> :)
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[14:23:44] <bedah> and hi pink_vampire
[14:24:06] <pink_vampire> bedah: what are you up to today?
[14:24:17] <pink_vampire> do you have a machine?
[14:24:28] <pink_vampire> make any chips?
[14:24:37] <MrSunshine_> yey, plate drilled .. now it need to be threaded and i can start to assemble some stuff =)
[14:24:56] <bedah> i got access to a cheap modified proxxon mf70 in my local hackerspace, pink
[14:25:18] <Polylaptopism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131731532248?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[14:25:20] <Polylaptopism> what about this?
[14:25:22] <pink_vampire> omg.. that cute one.
[14:25:33] <Polylaptopism> its only $100 more than I'm about to spend on the 6040....
[14:25:38] <Polylaptopism> pink_vampire, what do you think
[14:26:03] <pink_vampire> buy me one also
[14:26:12] <Polylaptopism> ok, when I get rich =D
[14:26:59] <pink_vampire> look very nice.
[14:27:36] <pink_vampire> 14. Drive Type: Stepper Motor (X and Z axis use 57BYG motor, Y axis uses 85BYG)
[14:27:41] <Polylaptopism> cant put it on a desk though =D
[14:27:46] <pink_vampire> 8. Max. Speed: 10000 mm/min (393”/min)
[14:27:49] <Polylaptopism> but larger work area.. .and more rigid? more z travel
[14:27:55] <Polylaptopism> are those good?
[14:27:59] <pink_vampire> half of the speed of my machine.
[14:28:13] <pink_vampire> ho no..
[14:28:14] <Polylaptopism> I want accuracy and quality finish
[14:28:15] <Polylaptopism> more than speed
[14:28:18] <pink_vampire> 10M/min
[14:28:27] <pink_vampire> that veryyy fast
[14:28:46] <pink_vampire> get it!!!
[14:28:57] <pink_vampire> Net weight: 220kg with bracket
[14:29:01] <Polylaptopism> yes =(
[14:29:04] <Polylaptopism> thats my only problem....
[14:29:04] <pink_vampire> solid.
[14:29:10] <Polylaptopism> so its a bit different than the 6040..
[14:29:17] <Polylaptopism> needs a more permanent setup place
[14:29:26] <pink_vampire> my machine it's about the same..
[14:29:31] <Polylaptopism> but looks like it might be a lot nicer?
[14:29:37] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: JUST get it.
[14:30:16] <pink_vampire> get it and never look back
[14:30:20] <Polylaptopism> lol
[14:30:34] <Polylaptopism> instead of the 6040 you mean?
[14:30:36] <Polylaptopism> I could make guitars no problem =D
[14:30:38] <Polylaptopism> but it has the same accuracy?
[14:30:39] <Polylaptopism> for pcb
[14:30:40] <Polylaptopism> ?
[14:30:45] <pink_vampire> buy me one also as a consultation fee.
[14:30:49] <Polylaptopism> and I can still cut enclosure panels I would assume
[14:30:53] <Polylaptopism> when I get rich, I will buy you one
[14:31:00] <Polylaptopism> to thank you for all th ehelp
[14:31:04] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: even more accurate,
[14:31:52] <pink_vampire> you have 3K for a cnc machine.. you are rich..
[14:32:17] <Deejay> :)
[14:32:31] * Deejay does not talk to pink any more. consultation fee too high ;-)
[14:33:19] <pink_vampire> Deejay: lol
[14:33:57] <pink_vampire> I just want a machine with large volume. (free)
[14:35:43] <Polylaptopism> xD
[14:37:26] <Polylaptopism> lagggg
[14:39:36] <pink_vampire> imagine if Polylaptopism was russian oligarch, and he say "sure no problem"
[14:39:55] <pink_vampire> Deejay: ^
[14:40:06] <Deejay> yeah, everyone gets one ;)
[14:40:37] <pink_vampire> do you mean one per part..
[14:41:07] <pink_vampire> who is going to clean the chips?
[14:41:09] <Deejay> one machine for everyone here in the channel ;)
[14:41:45] <pink_vampire> I can live with that..
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[14:45:43] <Polylaptopism> lol xD
[14:47:48] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: i'm not trying to push you to the corner, but i'm a big fan of datron..
[14:50:59] <Polylaptopism> work area is a bit too small isnt it?
[14:51:53] <pink_vampire> no
[14:52:09] <Polylaptopism> which one?
[14:52:30] <pink_vampire> https://www.datron.de/en_gb/datron-cnc-machines/cnc-milling-machine-overview/mlcube.html
[14:53:05] <pink_vampire> Polylaptopism: ^
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[14:55:39] <Polylaptopism> how much is this thing?
[14:55:39] <Polylaptopism> 50k?
[14:56:06] <Polylaptopism> very nice work area...
[14:56:15] <Polylaptopism> and the enclosure is nice for my apartment
[14:56:21] <pink_vampire> call them/
[14:56:40] <pink_vampire> lol apartment
[14:57:01] <pink_vampire> Weight approx. 2,500 kg
[14:57:21] <pink_vampire> Installation dimensions without operating terminal (W x D x H) 2.410 mm x 2.280 mm x 1.950 mm
[14:57:36] <pink_vampire> I can live inside it.
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[15:02:37] <pink_vampire> https://www.datron.de/datron-cnc-machines/cnc-milling-machine-overview/m7-m75-high-speed-cnc-machines.html
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[15:02:41] <pink_vampire> cuuuuteee
[15:02:45] <Polylaptopism> is the 6090 really going to fit in my apt?
[15:02:48] <Polylaptopism> not pakced, 45" wide
[15:02:51] <Polylaptopism> but unpacked...
[15:02:52] <Polylaptopism> 31.5"
[15:02:55] <Polylaptopism> doors 30-32"
[15:03:17] <Polylaptopism> thayt would be just enough clearance
[15:03:17] <Polylaptopism> but its so heavy...
[15:03:17] <Polylaptopism> sounds really impractical
[15:03:17] <Polylaptopism> but I could put it in a workshop
[15:03:22] <Polylaptopism> then I need to commute to workshop though
[15:04:36] <pink_vampire> get it inside in parts..
[15:06:07] <Polylaptopism> hmm
[15:09:14] <minibnz> argh this flow is doing my head.. i probably should sleep.. its 2am..
[15:14:24] <Polylaptopism> I need to order by monday
[15:20:31] <atlas__> I know this isn't related to the channel or convo, but this window is here and one of you guys might know -- reccomendations for a first small desktop power supply for small electronics hobby stuff?
[15:20:58] <atlas__> trying to find something online here but mouser.ca has so many things at such a range of prices in the category
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[15:21:37] <minibnz> what sort of stuff do you normally do..
[15:21:48] <minibnz> we need to work out how big a psu you need.
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[15:21:57] <minibnz> ie volts and amps required
[15:21:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/mastech-power-supply look for similar
[15:22:49] <CaptHindsight> mouser will most likely be far more $$
[15:24:39] <CaptHindsight> you might do well with a cheap PC power supply, you get 3, 5 and 12V for $15 new
[15:25:23] <minibnz> just add a few linear regs to that and you would have a nice multi rail psu
[15:25:32] <archivist> one needs constant current and variable voltage for bench supply
[15:25:55] <minibnz> ok use the reg in current mode :)
[15:26:13] <CaptHindsight> he doesn't know what he needs yet
[15:26:24] <atlas__> totally, just beginner
[15:26:31] <archivist> and usually whatever you get is not big enough/have enough rails for randome projects
[15:26:38] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRhaI4W8d9s How to start an atx power supply without a switch
[15:27:19] <archivist> switchers often need a minimum load so I do not recommend them for bench supplies
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[15:28:10] <minibnz> atlas__ as a beginner i would suggest something that has 2-3amps upto 30volts, with both being adjustable, digital or analog guages are your choice.. a good psu is a good start lets you not have to worry about whats driving your project.
[15:29:36] <djdelorie> archivist: I've been doing electronics for decades and haven't bought a lab supply yet. I just have wall warts and a hacked ATX power supply.
[15:30:08] <CaptHindsight> we used to use whatever we could find inside of discarded electronics
[15:30:10] <atlas__> djdelorie: dude this is totally what I stop, i have a bin full of wall warts and its such a snaggle snake of a mess
[15:30:35] <djdelorie> yeah, but everything I build is going to run on a wall wart *anyway* so I start with those :-)
[15:30:40] <CaptHindsight> twist ties for the win
[15:30:48] <minibnz> something like this would be good but this is a expsensive example you can get the same for less http://www.jaycar.com.au/Power-Products-Electrical/Power-Supply/Laboratory-Bench/0-to-30VDC-0-to-3-Amp-Regulated-Variable-Laboratory-Power-Supply/p/MP3086
[15:30:50] <djdelorie> ziplock bags
[15:30:57] <atlas__> ahaha
[15:31:36] <CaptHindsight> get a place with lots of rooms, put a walwart in each, unless the cors are really long they won;t get tangled together
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[15:31:59] <djdelorie> no seriously, all my wall warts are in ziplock backs in a box. Keeps the wires from tangling with each other
[15:32:03] <CaptHindsight> cors/cords
[15:32:38] <CaptHindsight> my idea is just as good, it's just costs more
[15:33:56] <CaptHindsight> I can't recall having this many nicks on ignore in one week, and they are mostly the same person
[15:33:58] <Jymmm> No, the ziplocks works Using wire ties and shove 30+ walwarts in a abin and they still get all tangles up
[15:34:40] <CaptHindsight> spring break can't explain it
[15:35:27] <djdelorie> Jymmm: if the cords escape the bags and get tangled despite them, I'm tossing the whole box out before it takes over the house
[15:36:08] <CaptHindsight> is it just cords, or does it include twine, thread, rope and hair?
[15:36:24] <Jymmm> Never happens to me, I use quart size bags for everything.
[15:36:56] <Jymmm> But I have around 120 walwarts all nicely bagged up
[15:37:10] <CaptHindsight> if the cores aren't tangled when the walwarts are placed int the bin, what causes them to get tangled?
[15:37:16] <CaptHindsight> cores/cords
[15:37:42] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: When you are looking for a specific voltage/amperage/tip
[15:38:04] <CaptHindsight> careless searches
[15:38:20] <Jymmm> "Yes Dear"
[15:38:57] <CaptHindsight> I arrange mine with the heaver ones on the bottom
[15:39:02] <Jymmm> Like you have every nut/bolt/screw in it's organized container and labeled
[15:39:21] <CaptHindsight> who doesn't?
[15:39:36] <atlas__> so somehow a spindle of thread was dropped into a bin of wall warts I had here when we moved or something.
[15:39:37] <CaptHindsight> amps are heavier than volts
[15:39:43] <Jymmm> lol
[15:39:43] <atlas__> it was the worst tangle I've ever seen
[15:40:40] <atlas__> was tempted to just burn the house down after untangling for 20 mins
[15:40:57] <archivist> I hate warts, I want a nice front panel http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=electronics+lounge
[15:41:49] <Loetmichel> archivist: you are somewhat crazy, arent you?
[15:41:52] <CaptHindsight> one tip I found useless was to use receptacles mounted on a frame, you plug each walwart in and let the cords dangle
[15:42:06] <CaptHindsight> like a coat rack for walwarts
[15:42:55] <archivist> Loetmichel, I am not striving to be normal
[15:43:39] <robin_sz> archivist, nice collection of HP gear!
[15:43:51] <Jymmm> archivist: Whats the thing on the very top of the stack on left most scope?
[15:43:52] <robin_sz> archivist, is that a 432A powermeter on the left?
[15:43:59] <CaptHindsight> nah crazy would be having to have every knob left in the same position
[15:44:13] <Loetmichel> i mean, most of the tech there i can identify, even if some is older than me. but really useful is only a handful of it, expeciall since some are ther e in double
[15:44:19] <CaptHindsight> and checking them hourly/daily
[15:44:20] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Nah that would be OCD =)
[15:45:35] <Jymmm> archivist: kinda resembles an EQ
[15:46:12] <archivist> robin_sz, I have 432 and a 435 power meters :)
[15:46:49] <robin_sz> archivist, nice, with heads I hope
[15:47:02] <archivist> yup
[15:47:06] <robin_sz> I have 435 with a dead bolo someplace
[15:47:42] <archivist> silly prices on ebay for the heads
[15:48:04] <robin_sz> yep, I kinda hang on to it, but I do very little RF these days
[15:48:31] <robin_sz> was active on 1296 and up at one point, but not so much now
[15:49:00] <archivist> I used to do 10Ghz wideband tv
[15:49:14] <atlas__> so here's the beginnings... https://imgur.com/a/fCta2
[15:49:36] <robin_sz> right
[15:49:45] <robin_sz> I have some 10G ssb gear
[15:49:59] <robin_sz> including a 6W gaasfet PA :)
[15:50:41] <robin_sz> I have a TWT and solidstate PSU that needs a home, if anyone still uses twts
[15:51:05] <archivist> this was before cheap stuff so was Gunn diode and balanced mixer for RX
[15:51:44] <robin_sz> right, I did some wg stuff, but its all stripline these days
[15:51:53] <robin_sz> I blame Dubus for showing us the light
[15:52:32] <robin_sz> I was quite happy soldering falnges onto wg then when I saw what the continentals were doing with stripline
[15:52:46] <archivist> 132km 8mw with the old method
[15:52:52] <robin_sz> nice
[15:53:06] <robin_sz> considering the noise figures ...
[15:53:10] <robin_sz> thats impressive
[15:53:27] <archivist> most of the battle is pointing
[15:53:33] <robin_sz> yep, always
[15:54:05] <archivist> that got me into a few surveying toys
[15:54:11] <robin_sz> yep
[15:54:19] <robin_sz> and rifle sights for the dishes
[15:54:46] <robin_sz> i used to do microwave links for the BBC, mostly microwave associates stuff
[15:54:54] <jdh> decided to try some Al on my 6040. you cannot do 0.125" doc, 0.125" endmill at 20ipm
[15:55:05] <robin_sz> 7G was common, we did some 12G/13G as well
[15:55:53] <robin_sz> as you say, pointing is the hard part
[15:56:57] <robin_sz> you're up Derby/Nottingham way if I remember right?
[15:57:13] <archivist> Near Burton upon Trent
[15:57:26] <jdh> I can buy 5 replacement fuses for $5.19, or 100 for $5.19
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[16:01:16] <atlas__> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FREE-SHIPPING-KORAD-DC-Power-Supply-KA3005D-Precision-Variable-Adjustable-30V-5A-LAB-GRADE/32313140071.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.4Whm7M&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_0,searchweb201602_4_10036_10035_10034_507_10032_10020_10001_10002_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10021_10004_10022_10009_401_10008_10018_2020012_10019,searchweb201603_8&btsid=a7262fe7-a977-4a77-8bae-5821ea46
[16:01:22] <atlas__> 8ae7
[16:01:22] <atlas__> uh
[16:01:25] <atlas__> gads
[16:01:27] <atlas__> that url
[16:01:38] <atlas__> http://tinyurl.com/hxugeq6
[16:01:53] <CaptHindsight> get it
[16:02:10] <atlas__> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/FREE-SHIPPING-KORAD-DC-Power-Supply-KA3005D-Precision-Variable-Adjustable-30V-5A-LAB-GRADE/32313140071.html
[16:02:14] <CaptHindsight> unless $100 is the difference between your hobby and food
[16:02:14] <atlas__> therre we goo
[16:02:22] <atlas__> no certainly not lol
[16:02:34] <os1r1s> Anyone use these? http://cnc4pc.com/hardware/index-home-limit/a60-inductive-proximity-switch.html
[16:03:56] <jdh> I have some that look just like that, but mine were more like 3 for $10
[16:04:05] <jdh> several years ago
[16:04:22] <Jymmm> I just use this http://www.aliexpress.com/item/B3603-Precision-CNC-DC-DC-Constant-Voltage-Constant-Current-Buck-LED-Driver-Module-Solar-Charging-Power/1625052409.html
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[16:06:02] <CaptHindsight> happy Sunday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I48hr8HhDv0
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[16:12:48] <Polymorphism> I'm talking to mandy from jcut about 6090 cast iron machine
[16:17:25] <Polymorphism> "I just cut D2 tool steel with my 6090, 2.2kw, 4mm Single flute carbide cutter, 24000rpm (flat out fast as possible), 3mm depth of cut, %10 step over lace, feed rate was 450mm per min. I made a bowl gouge (for wood turning) out of 20mm diameter bar."
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[16:25:51] <Polymorphism> http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine
[16:26:05] <jdh> buy it
[16:29:08] <archivist> take another year deciding
[16:33:26] <Polymorphism> this one actually looks really nice
[16:33:33] <Polymorphism> the controller looks absurd
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[16:33:39] <Polymorphism> but the machine looks very rigid, no?
[16:34:02] <Polymorphism> powerful spindle, nice work area, its not gigantic like the cast iron 6090
[16:34:23] <Polymorphism> "only" 440 pounds
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[16:34:55] <Polymorphism> back in a bit
[16:52:15] <minibnz> thats it i conceed defeat.. i have to use python and write me a component.. there is no direct way to move the axis from within the classicladder, i might be able to write some gcode subs but python will be better as much as i hate it.
[16:52:31] <minibnz> anyways it really is bedtime now.. i will talk with you all later
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[16:52:44] <maxcnc> hi all ;-)
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[17:12:57] <Renny> Yello, maxcnc
[17:13:04] <maxcnc> hi
[17:18:36] <maxcnc> Renny: how is it on eastern weekend
[17:18:53] <maxcnc> i dod some papercuts today for the children
[17:18:55] <maxcnc> did
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[17:20:13] <Renny> Oh, that is awesome. With laser cutter?
[17:20:51] <maxcnc> no simply rotate knofe
[17:20:55] <maxcnc> knife
[17:22:08] <Renny> Heh, that is fun too. Nah, I am pretty much a cave person, so my day will consist of church, then lazing around.
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[17:22:48] <maxcnc> i got 1500 markings for a MTB wood track to do
[17:23:12] <Renny> ?
[17:23:13] <maxcnc> high performence gluepaper with numbers
[17:24:05] <maxcnc> on flat its a miss if you got more then 0.02 z table difference
[17:24:15] <maxcnc> otherwise let it run
[17:24:28] <maxcnc> plotter woudt be a good to go
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[17:25:46] <maxcnc> but i can make 10 at once so im fine
[17:25:46] <maxcnc> testet 20 but the table does not give me that precision on that space
[17:25:46] <maxcnc> and paper THC is not "working"
[17:25:56] <maxcnc> KHC
[17:26:05] <maxcnc> to be invented
[17:26:34] <maxcnc> precision laser distance mesurment at the knife side
[17:26:53] <maxcnc> with 0.01mm at 1000mm/min
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[17:27:57] <maxcnc> at lowest cost as always
[17:29:00] <maxcnc> so yesterday the Firt Windows PC has arived to the Shop since 2008
[17:29:23] <maxcnc> i think i will get firered if the big boss is coming back in August
[17:29:53] <maxcnc> Why Trying Fusion360
[17:30:20] <maxcnc> Question does fusion 360 need to be online all the time of working
[17:31:10] <Renny> ._.
[17:31:33] <maxcnc> it does not start up without the internet connected
[17:32:12] <Renny> No idea. There should be a forum question about that, specifically I imagine.
[17:32:46] <maxcnc> will see how this comes out
[17:33:14] <maxcnc> till now shop is total windows clear all ubuntu
[17:33:41] <maxcnc> i even dieden install on the new mashines the new kernel
[17:34:03] <maxcnc> staying on 2.5 with 2.6.11 update
[17:34:33] <maxcnc> the update to 2.7 did cost me one plasma for 3weeks to not working on mesa
[17:35:31] <maxcnc> ok im off Gn8
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[17:59:20] <Polygalaxynoteis> pink vampire loet others!
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[17:59:33] <Polygalaxynoteis> I think I have my answer maybe
[17:59:37] <Polygalaxynoteis> http://www.xzerocnc.com
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[18:00:21] <Polygalaxynoteis> The raptor is available 16x24 $1650
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[18:00:27] <Polygalaxynoteis> No controller or spindle
[18:00:38] <Polygalaxynoteis> Could this be my best deal???
[18:00:43] <Polygalaxynoteis> add gecko drive
[18:00:47] <Polygalaxynoteis> and China 1500w
[18:00:59] <Polygalaxynoteis> 16x2 only 100 more 1750
[18:01:12] <Polygalaxynoteis> Sorry 16x36*
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[18:06:17] <Polygalaxynoteis> 1950 with spindle 1.5kw plus ship
[18:07:37] <Polygalaxynoteis> That’s complete frame with table top .
[18:07:48] <Polygalaxynoteis> Everything except spindle and controller he says
[18:07:57] <Polygalaxynoteis> Does that imply motors and wiring included?
[18:08:16] <Polygalaxynoteis> Is geck drive the way to finish the build or is there a cheaper option
[18:10:42] <Polygalaxynoteis> tinyg?
[18:10:50] <pink_vampire> Polygalaxynoteis: i'm here now..
[18:10:57] <pink_vampire> I did more inserts.
[18:11:03] <Polygalaxynoteis> hi!
[18:11:16] <Polygalaxynoteis> excellent
[18:11:29] <pink_vampire> who are you?
[18:11:36] <Polygalaxynoteis> polymorphism
[18:11:47] <Polygalaxynoteis> Do you see my latest option?? might be the best deal!
[18:11:48] <pink_vampire> stop change the nick!!
[18:11:59] <pink_vampire> like?
[18:12:28] <Polygalaxynoteis> http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[18:13:10] <Polygalaxynoteis> There is a special model not on the site hr says everything controllrr or spindle 1650 16x24
[18:13:23] <Polygalaxynoteis> $1650
[18:13:29] <Polygalaxynoteis> add spindle and controller
[18:13:42] <Polygalaxynoteis> How does this compare?
[18:14:07] <Polygalaxynoteis> X and Z look better supported than x6?
[18:14:17] <pink_vampire> what motors?
[18:14:50] <Polygalaxynoteis> Not sure
[18:15:00] <Polygalaxynoteis> Can't tell of they are included. ..
[18:15:04] <Polygalaxynoteis> Here is the quote
[18:15:27] <Polygalaxynoteis> That’s complete frame with table top .
[18:15:37] <pink_vampire> you can get it without motors?
[18:15:53] <Polygalaxynoteis> " everything except spindle or controller"
[18:16:11] <Polygalaxynoteis> 1750 16x36 1650 16x24
[18:16:15] <Polygalaxynoteis> usd
[18:16:34] <Polygalaxynoteis> I'm waiting for a reply to my email
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[18:18:45] <Polygalaxynoteis> Pink _ vampire cpuld you please help me compare 6040///x6 to this raptor? and also to this model I found
[18:18:48] <Polygalaxynoteis> http://salecnc.com/catalog/CNC-Router-Milling-DX6090-2-2KW-machine
[18:18:58] <Polygalaxynoteis> really need help
[18:20:26] <pink_vampire> and you need to add spindle 400$ and servo motors 900-1500$
[18:20:57] <Polygalaxynoteis> Is it really 1500 for motors? I saw spindle is 400
[18:21:06] <Polygalaxynoteis> nah e it comes with motors for the price
[18:21:23] <Polygalaxynoteis> He did say "everything except spindle and controller"
[18:21:35] <Polygalaxynoteis> nah = maybe
[18:21:37] <Polygalaxynoteis> on phone
[18:22:47] <pink_vampire> 900 for small dc servo, 1500 to go with used ac servo or stronger dc
[18:23:01] <Polygalaxynoteis> and stepper instead?
[18:23:36] <Polygalaxynoteis> Did you see the dx 60 90 I linked? its niceee
[18:25:46] <Polygalaxynoteis> It looks nice! fast adjust spindle 2.2kw
[18:25:53] <Polygalaxynoteis> The rails I can't tell
[18:26:06] <Polygalaxynoteis> controller looks hilarious
[18:27:46] <pink_vampire> so why do you want to get it.
[18:28:13] <Polygalaxynoteis> Same price about as x6 but bigger and better maybe
[18:28:26] <Polygalaxynoteis> But lighter and smaller than 6090
[18:28:40] <Polygalaxynoteis> I just want the best complete setup for 3000 or less
[18:28:45] <Polygalaxynoteis> The best I can get
[18:29:44] <Polygalaxynoteis> The most rigid and accurate and nice work area
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[18:30:54] <Polygalaxynoteis> and I really wanted to order by tomorrow =(
[18:31:09] <Polygalaxynoteis> I'll be very busy again starting then
[18:31:45] <pink_vampire> Polygalaxynoteis: i'm abit lost..
[18:31:59] <Polygalaxynoteis> What would you like to know
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[18:57:43] <MrSunshine_> https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t34.0-12/12919078_10154046531088648_1913462385_n.jpg?oh=6c52e57b6673112f044e7769e6eddcde&oe=56FB0192
[18:58:32] <MrSunshine_> https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t34.0-12/12895400_10154046532243648_788002505_n.jpg?oh=13ca8fab85015e595f5e7bed955a651d&oe=56FB1419
[19:01:35] <FloppyDisk> That's a nice looking lathe in the background, what is it? Looks like an atlas or craftsman?
[19:03:17] <MrSunshine_> FloppyDisk: its a south bend clone
[19:03:17] <MrSunshine_> blomqvist
[19:03:54] <FloppyDisk> Thanks - Looking for a small guy to fit on a toolbox, maybe a 9x19 or 10x20 grizzly G0602.
[19:09:11] <enleth> What kind of tricks do you use to keep your safety goggles from fogging up?
[19:10:07] <FloppyDisk> NOTE: aliexpress Sale on 3/29 if you use their App. I saw some really good percentage off, like 30%, but not seeing any prices listed now...
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[19:11:16] <robin_sz> lol, too funny ... http://vncroulette.com
[19:11:38] <MrSunshine_> enleth: using safety squints
[19:11:55] <robin_sz> http://vncroulette.com/index.php?picture=184
[19:12:04] <robin_sz> anyone fancy messing around on a CNC ^^
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[19:18:24] <enleth> MrSunshine_: heh, I don't have AvE's brass balls to match that
[19:18:40] <enleth> besides, he never shows his face, does he?
[19:33:51] <Sync> enleth: the single screw is not bad
[19:34:10] <Sync> it works very well, a lot of pre WW2 lathes used it
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[19:38:33] <Polylaptopism> sync http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm are the z and x rails better on this raptor than the 6040? http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VnoAAOSw1ZBUyYZj/s-l1600.jpg
[19:38:37] <Polylaptopism> can anyone comment on this please
[19:39:13] <malcom2073> raptor
[19:39:26] <Sync> they both do the job
[19:39:35] <malcom2073> supported round rod isn't great, better than unsupported by far, but square rail is significantly better
[19:39:53] <Polylaptopism> ok so that raptor machine is superior?
[19:40:03] <malcom2073> I didn't say this, I said the rails were superior
[19:40:14] <Polylaptopism> it may be the same price or even less than the x6 machine, but its 1200 more than the 6040 I linked
[19:40:21] <Polylaptopism> trying to decide which of the 3
[19:40:56] <malcom2073> Polylaptopism: How much is your time worth, vs how much time have you spent on this? :)
[19:41:03] <malcom2073> Could've bought the more machine at the beginning and saved money methinks
[19:41:07] <malcom2073> more expensive*
[19:41:28] <enleth> Sync: as long as you're prepared to replace it every so often, I guess
[19:41:46] <Sync> why would I replace it so often?
[19:42:08] <Sync> it's not like they wear out all the time
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[19:42:27] <malcom2073> Heh, assuming they're properly hardened
[19:42:35] <enleth> if you're using power feeds a lot, they might, don't they?
[19:42:38] <malcom2073> I've known people who have gotten unlucky when buying chinese supported rail
[19:42:50] <Sync> why would they?
[19:42:53] <Polylaptopism> the raptor is made in canada
[19:42:55] <Polylaptopism> I do like that
[19:42:57] <Sync> mine has a brass key
[19:43:15] <Sync> and I've been using it for 4 years now
[19:43:21] <Sync> and I can't detect any wear
[19:43:28] <enleth> is it chinese?
[19:43:46] <Polylaptopism> do you guys think the raptor would be worth 1200 more than the 6040 I linked?
[19:43:51] <Polylaptopism> USD
[19:44:09] <Sync> yes enleth
[19:44:49] <Polylaptopism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-CNC-Router-Engraver-Milling-Machine-Engraving-Drilling-4-Axis-6040-Desktop-/291054639648
[19:44:50] <Polylaptopism> this one
[19:45:44] <Polylaptopism> 22.83x 15.7x 2.7" vs 16x35x5.5" work area
[19:45:47] <Polylaptopism> please someonme help!!!
[19:45:53] <Polylaptopism> plus any other differences between the machines
[19:46:03] <malcom2073> Polylaptopism: Yes, you should buy the raptor
[19:46:15] <Polylaptopism> are you just saying that?
[19:46:16] <Polylaptopism> 1200 more is a lot to me
[19:46:22] <Polylaptopism> if its worth it though, its worth it
[19:46:26] <malcom2073> I just said that, what are you asking me?
[19:46:29] <Polylaptopism> ok
[19:46:37] <Polylaptopism> I just wanted to make sure you werent just saying it to get rid of me =D
[19:46:42] <Polylaptopism> like the other guy
[19:47:57] <malcom2073> No. If I had the money and the choice, I'd buy the raptor over the 6040
[19:48:26] <Polylaptopism> ok
[19:48:30] <Polylaptopism> I really appreciate that
[19:48:36] <malcom2073> You gotta buy a spindle for it though
[19:48:37] <Polylaptopism> I'm going to call xzero and talk to them to order
[19:48:44] <Polylaptopism> and maybe motors, but I'm not sure
[19:48:50] <Polylaptopism> they told me they have a special version not on the site, smaller
[19:49:05] <Polylaptopism> 16x35 for $1750 "everything except spindle and controller"
[19:49:10] <Polylaptopism> so does that imply I still need motors probably?
[19:49:36] <Polylaptopism> they sell a mx4660 + 3x 311oz motors + 48v psu for $450 if they arent included
[19:49:36] <malcom2073> Motors as in steppers? No, that should come with steppers
[19:49:47] <Polylaptopism> and I found a 1.5k chinese spindle with vfd for 200 shipped
[19:50:22] <Polylaptopism> ok
[19:50:36] <Polylaptopism> either way, sounds worth it
[19:51:26] <malcom2073> Does that include drives? They said no controller, but what about drives?
[19:51:55] <Polylaptopism> mx4660 is some sort of dsp driver
[19:51:58] <malcom2073> $1750 + $200 spindle + $200 drives still isn't bad
[19:52:12] <malcom2073> Right, it's a drive, not a controller..... but some companies may call that a controller.
[19:52:25] <Polylaptopism> 450 gets you http://www.leadshine.com/productDetail.aspx?model=MX4660 that
[19:52:30] <Polylaptopism> I see
[19:52:42] <Polylaptopism> they sell that with 3x 311oz motors and 48v supply for $450 usd
[19:52:46] <Polylaptopism> I will also need something elsE?
[19:52:47] <malcom2073> You don't need a 6A drive
[19:52:49] <Polylaptopism> in addition to that kit and spindle
[19:52:53] <malcom2073> those steppers are probably 3amp steppers
[19:53:22] <Polylaptopism> http://www.leadshine.com/productdetail.aspx?type=products&category=accessories&producttype=multiple-axis-stepper-drives&series=MX&model=MX3660
[19:53:26] <Polylaptopism> you only save 100 to get that instead
[19:53:28] <Polylaptopism> 350 for the motor kit with that
[19:53:47] <malcom2073> Hmm, pretty stinkin big nema23's to run 6 amps heh
[19:53:55] <Polylaptopism> (assuming motors not inclufded in the 1750)
[19:53:56] <malcom2073> Still, not a terrible price regardless
[19:54:04] <Polylaptopism> I',m going to assume they arent to be prepared for highest price
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[19:54:36] <Polylaptopism> I don';t know if that includes wiring or anything
[19:54:38] <Polylaptopism> for the steppers
[19:54:44] <Polylaptopism> I'm assuming it's not that difficult to do
[19:54:56] <Polylaptopism> OH
[19:54:58] <Polylaptopism> I just got hte email
[19:55:00] <Polylaptopism> so the motors arent included
[19:55:06] <Polylaptopism> nice btw, email on easter sunday within 1 hour
[19:55:08] <Polylaptopism> from the company
[19:55:44] <malcom2073> So when they say spindle and controller, they mean spindle, steppers, drives, and controller
[19:55:53] <Polylaptopism> xD yes apparently
[19:56:03] <Polylaptopism> 200 for stepper, steppers drives +350//450
[19:56:15] <Polylaptopism> controller can't that be had for as little as $30?
[19:56:19] <Polylaptopism> I thought someone linked a nice cheap one
[19:56:25] <Polylaptopism> sorry 200 for spindle I mean
[19:56:31] <Polylaptopism> and vfd
[19:56:50] <Polylaptopism> "motor kits are on options here
[19:56:50] <Polylaptopism> They include 3 motors, 3 axis driver/controller and power supply ."
[19:56:52] <malcom2073> controller is linuxcnc in this case
[19:56:55] <malcom2073> or that USB board you linked before
[19:57:02] <Polylaptopism> ??
[19:57:06] <malcom2073> Oh they call the driver the controller
[19:57:08] <Polylaptopism> so I do just need their motor kit and a spiundle and vfd?
[19:57:13] * Polylaptopism is confused
[19:57:25] <Polylaptopism> I think this is the one I'm goijng to order, just need to put together the parts
[19:57:26] <malcom2073> You'll need a breakout board unless their driver/controller has parallel port input
[19:57:34] <Polylaptopism> http://www.leadshine.com/productdetail.aspx?type=products&category=accessories&producttype=multiple-axis-stepper-drives&series=MX&model=MX3660
[19:57:36] <Polylaptopism> looks loike it does
[19:57:45] <malcom2073> Then you should be good to just hook it up to linuxcnc
[19:57:46] <malcom2073> easy!
[19:57:48] <Polylaptopism> wow.
[19:57:54] <Polylaptopism> I'm loving this option...
[19:57:58] <Polylaptopism> canadian made and larger work area
[19:58:01] <Polylaptopism> for china cnc price
[19:58:10] <Polylaptopism> plus I get to partially put it together
[19:58:12] <Polylaptopism> will that be difficult?
[19:58:18] <Polylaptopism> to wire the motors + vfd
[19:58:27] <Polylaptopism> or is it just following a diagram basically
[19:58:28] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/1bXPMlL.png
[19:58:36] <Polylaptopism> I've created pcbs from schematics before etc
[19:58:38] <malcom2073> Difficulty is relative. If you can follow schematics and instructions you should be fine
[19:58:43] <pink_vampire> I need to make that panel O_O
[19:58:52] <Polylaptopism> @_@
[19:58:52] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: What's that for?
[19:58:54] <malcom2073> Lotta wires
[19:59:28] <pink_vampire> mars rover main control unit
[19:59:49] <enleth> Sync: what "brand" is it?
[20:00:47] <Sync> hainan
[20:01:41] <Duc> pink_vampire: think you can get anymore wires in there
[20:01:41] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: ^
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[20:01:57] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: Cool
[20:02:30] <pink_vampire> each axis is motor, encoder, temp, so 15
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[20:02:43] <pink_vampire> then limit times 5
[20:02:46] <pink_vampire> so 20
[20:02:53] <pink_vampire> then spindle is 3
[20:02:58] <pink_vampire> 23
[20:03:26] <pink_vampire> then stack light, ring light, - 2
[20:03:28] <pink_vampire> so 25
[20:03:39] <Duc> dam
[20:03:41] <pink_vampire> 3d printer, 6
[20:03:49] <pink_vampire> 31
[20:04:26] <pink_vampire> so i need to add few more.
[20:04:33] <pink_vampire> :(
[20:04:41] <CaptHindsight> https://www.boltdepot.com/Machine_screws_Phillips_pan_head_Stainless_steel_18-8_6-32.aspx which length should I buy?
[20:05:06] <Sync> 3"
[20:05:22] <Polylaptopism> 1/8"
[20:05:40] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: PI inches
[20:05:52] <XXCoder> be sure to ask for exactly PI, no rounding!
[20:06:09] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: http://i.imgur.com/1bXPMlL.png
[20:06:20] <XXCoder> nice progress
[20:06:23] <CaptHindsight> so 6-32 22/7ths
[20:06:54] <XXCoder> thats still rounding off ;)
[20:07:01] <CaptHindsight> oh crap they have different heads
[20:07:34] <Sync> better get the best one for your needs
[20:07:52] <CaptHindsight> yeah but I need 6-32
[20:08:03] <enleth> Sync: standard 7x14 or something bigger?
[20:08:08] <CaptHindsight> and I'm only going to ask another 678 times
[20:08:20] <Sync> 12x24
[20:08:38] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: can always cut off, but you cant extend
[20:08:42] <Polylaptopism> servo vs stepper?
[20:08:45] <Polylaptopism> how do people feel
[20:08:48] <Polylaptopism> I'm selecting my own motors now
[20:08:48] <XXCoder> get few nuts to act as rethreader
[20:09:10] <pink_vampire> SERVO!!!!
[20:09:21] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: somebody else told somebody that knew someone once that you can weld them
[20:09:35] <XXCoder> to extend thread?
[20:09:47] <CaptHindsight> or how about those couplings?
[20:10:01] <CaptHindsight> is metric better?
[20:10:18] <CaptHindsight> I don't want the screws to become obsolete
[20:10:28] <Duc> 6-32 is really easy to cut with most pair of wire strippers. there is even a spot to do it on there
[20:10:41] <XXCoder> I did read about inches screws being better but that article could be full of shit.
[20:10:48] <CaptHindsight> do they come with the screws?
[20:10:56] <XXCoder> if your machines from chinese or any metric country, better go with that
[20:10:59] <pink_vampire> https://www.teknic.com/products/clearpath-brushless-dc-servo-motors/
[20:11:08] <pink_vampire> I want them!!!
[20:11:34] <CaptHindsight> will they let you return them if you get metric and then decide that inches is better?
[20:11:49] <Duc> looks pricey I always find it better to buy stuff you can find on ebay later on if something goes wrong
[20:12:06] <Polylaptopism> those do look nice pingufan
[20:12:08] <Polylaptopism> pink_vampire,
[20:12:15] <Polylaptopism> what is the advantage though?
[20:12:17] <Polylaptopism> more accuracy?
[20:12:23] <Polylaptopism> if so, do you have some numbers
[20:12:26] <pink_vampire> watch the video..
[20:12:27] <pink_vampire> watch the video..
[20:12:27] <pink_vampire> watch the video..
[20:12:28] <Polylaptopism> thats 1000 vs 500
[20:12:31] <CaptHindsight> does it matter if they come in a box vs a bag?
[20:12:32] <Polylaptopism> for motors
[20:12:40] <XXCoder> machine made for metric can be configured to inches but look into ebay and other sites, see how common inches and metric parts and screws is more common?
[20:12:40] <pink_vampire> Polygalaxynoteis: https://www.teknic.com/products/clearpath-brushless-dc-servo-motors/
[20:12:52] * Polylaptopism goes to watch
[20:13:28] <CaptHindsight> what if I'm not sure how or what I'm going to use the screws for, what size should I get?
[20:14:06] <enleth> CaptHindsight: go metric, screw inches
[20:17:32] <tiwake> screw that
[20:18:12] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vdnrZXGhLY somebody said if you use the wrong size screw in a wall that this can happen
[20:18:45] <XXCoder> heh I would cut it into more sections than that
[20:18:46] <Polylaptopism> it does look nice
[20:18:49] <Polylaptopism> these servos
[20:18:53] <XXCoder> preserve slabs for further use
[20:18:59] <XXCoder> like repairing holes
[20:19:48] <MrSunshine_> hmm will braze hold as good as solid cast iron ?
[20:20:23] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbq1_XZBTM looks like things progressed
[20:21:09] <XXCoder> that guy is a dumbass
[20:21:35] <Polylaptopism> lol
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[20:22:16] <witnit> anyone into this kind of thing? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-Bridgeport-Power-Feeds-NO-RESERVE-/162015307191?hash=item25b8dd65b7:g:oHYAAOSwu1VW8aCF
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[20:22:25] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz9crxTDZxM maybe a saw is better?
[20:22:55] <XXCoder> he should ghave used it in more cuts.
[20:23:23] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: is that you?
[20:23:35] <Polylaptopism> xD
[20:23:50] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylFtZYRYOLQ maybe a sawzall?
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[20:24:17] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGntqzssRo
[20:24:18] <XXCoder> thats not as good. less control over depth of vcut
[20:24:30] <XXCoder> meaning some wood will be cut
[20:24:30] <CaptHindsight> chainsaw?
[20:24:38] <DaViruz> 0009003~4~00
[20:24:40] <DaViruz> oops
[20:24:46] <pink_vampire> 4 views
[20:24:53] <pink_vampire> Uploaded on Jun 30, 2010
[20:24:55] <pink_vampire> WTF
[20:25:07] <XXCoder> yeah even my 2 videos has more views lol
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[20:25:36] <CaptHindsight> maybe an axe, like the fire brigade
[20:25:38] <witnit> XXCoder: we just click them occasionally to make you feel good
[20:25:45] <witnit> :)
[20:25:48] <XXCoder> lol
[20:26:08] <XXCoder> my recent video is at 14 views. which is more than those 3 videos together
[20:26:17] <XXCoder> and postal line rider at 187 :P
[20:26:18] <pink_vampire> I'm using the G320X + dc servo,
[20:26:22] <CaptHindsight> so all kidding not aside, Phillips head, hex or slotted?
[20:26:24] <XXCoder> 8 years old though lol
[20:26:28] <witnit> lel
[20:26:30] <witnit> =D
[20:26:43] <pink_vampire> someone here using stepper?
[20:26:54] <XXCoder> have fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKxAKyyNrys
[20:27:00] <witnit> I should document all my work with linuxcnc but that is very unlikely
[20:27:33] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: is that you?
[20:27:43] <XXCoder> yeah I made that video lol
[20:28:08] <XXCoder> its not line rider ever but it was fun to make
[20:28:11] <XXCoder> *best
[20:28:53] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJMpPViOYc hm thats new drill type to me
[20:31:25] <XXCoder> well I see one postive. much longer threads so connection is stronger
[20:34:45] <Sync> CaptHindsight: torx
[20:41:45] <Polylaptopism> are servos worth the money?
[20:42:01] <Polylaptopism> looks like 10x the cost
[20:42:05] <XXCoder> it is better in many respects
[20:42:20] <XXCoder> strength across all speeds, quieter is some of strengths
[20:42:33] <Polylaptopism> do I need it? honestly
[20:42:35] <Polylaptopism> for the raptor machine
[20:42:40] <Polylaptopism> 16x35"
[20:42:43] <Polylaptopism> mostly 4mm thick alu plate max
[20:42:45] <XXCoder> if wood stuff then nope
[20:42:48] <XXCoder> alum too
[20:42:57] <pcw_home> also there simply are no step motors available for large machines
[20:43:09] <Polylaptopism> ok
[20:43:16] <Polylaptopism> maybe I will stick with steppers for now
[20:43:20] <XXCoder> largest I think is nema 52 sometyhing?
[20:43:22] <pcw_home> 200-300W is tops for step motors
[20:43:57] <pcw_home> above that they get very uneconomical
[20:44:27] <XXCoder> hes cutting alum though dont need to be superstrong
[20:44:59] <Polylaptopism> 4mm alu max probably
[20:45:02] <XXCoder> okay found nema 42s
[20:45:02] <Polylaptopism> I might want to cut thicker stuff
[20:45:06] <Polylaptopism> but couldnt I just use shallow DOC
[20:45:12] <Polylaptopism> and take my time
[20:45:16] <Polylaptopism> and still not need servo
[20:45:16] <Polylaptopism> ?
[20:45:21] <Polylaptopism> I ask now because
[20:45:24] <Polylaptopism> I need to buy my own motors
[20:45:28] <Polylaptopism> for the raptor
[20:46:36] <Polylaptopism> https://www.finelineautomation.com/products/complete-2-x3-router-kit?taxon_id=2 raptor seems like it must be better
[20:46:39] <Polylaptopism> comparing it to this
[20:46:55] <Polylaptopism> more space but less included and looks less rigid
[20:47:07] <XXCoder> that kit is based on howto guide I found while ago.
[20:47:17] <XXCoder> thread dont exist now but I still have copy of entire page
[20:47:25] <XXCoder> including billion pictures
[20:48:12] <XXCoder> oh! found it
[20:48:13] <XXCoder> http://www.overclock.net/t/755828/complete-2-x-3-custom-cnc-router-from-80-20-aluminum-extrusion
[20:48:20] <Polylaptopism> tyvm
[20:48:30] <XXCoder> warning: billion pictures!!
[20:48:48] <XXCoder> look at next pages for few more tweaks he did after he finished
[20:49:54] <Polylaptopism> checking out the thread
[20:50:08] <XXCoder> you must have better connection than I do!
[20:50:12] <XXCoder> pics still loading lol
[20:50:47] <Polylaptopism> its a bad host I think
[20:50:48] <Polylaptopism> loading slowly
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[20:51:11] <XXCoder> I dont have a website or I'd have uploaded a copy
[20:51:34] <XXCoder> its really amazing guide on how to build that kit (he designed it orginially and one company offered to make a kit out of it)
[20:52:50] <Polylaptopism> still loading =D
[20:52:54] <XXCoder> same
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[20:55:48] <Polylaptopism> maybe its ded
[20:55:49] <Polylaptopism> dead
[20:56:13] <XXCoder> I do have backup but not too sure how to send it to you
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[20:57:00] <XXCoder> its around 80 mb
[21:00:54] <XXCoder> Polylaptopism: I know why pictures wont load
[21:01:01] <XXCoder> it was on comcast home host
[21:01:06] <XXCoder> guy probably moved on
[21:03:28] <Polylaptopism> damn
[21:03:43] <XXCoder> know of any good upload site?
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[21:04:01] <malcom2073> define good
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[21:04:15] <malcom2073> dropbox isn't bad
[21:04:25] <XXCoder> can downloaded without weird stuff like confirm stuff
[21:04:26] <malcom2073> Getting your own $5 a month VPS is good too
[21:04:34] <XXCoder> dropbox is fine for short term yeah will do.
[21:06:01] <Polylaptopism> imgur
[21:06:06] <Polylaptopism> for pictures
[21:06:11] <Polylaptopism> depends what youre uploading
[21:06:41] <Polylaptopism> "Choppy and growling sound you had before is from parallel port , Have to check mac address on port or just get uc100 and not have port problem no more"
[21:06:50] <Polylaptopism> can someone explain that grammar to me
[21:07:03] <Polylaptopism> I don't mean to be offensive
[21:07:03] <Polylaptopism> I
[21:07:07] <Polylaptopism> I'm just wondering
[21:07:12] <Polylaptopism> the machine is supposedly made in canada
[21:07:22] <Polylaptopism> thats one of their employees I think
[21:07:26] <Polylaptopism> company rep
[21:07:54] <XXCoder> arciving
[21:08:00] <Polylaptopism> could it really be china??
[21:08:05] <malcom2073> Could be
[21:08:13] <malcom2073> Could be a chinese company with a canadian division
[21:08:21] <Polylaptopism> its still a nicer machine I suppose
[21:08:23] <malcom2073> Could be a canadian company with a chinese division
[21:08:26] <Polylaptopism> it says made in canada
[21:08:34] <malcom2073> "made" has no legally binding meaning
[21:08:35] <malcom2073> :P
[21:08:36] <Polylaptopism> whatever that really means
[21:08:37] <Polylaptopism> right
[21:08:48] <Polylaptopism> could just be packaged up there from chinese parts
[21:08:57] <Polylaptopism> assembled for testing
[21:08:59] <Polylaptopism> then broken down for shipping
[21:09:03] <Polylaptopism> there you have it
[21:09:06] <Polylaptopism> made in canada
[21:09:11] <Sync> or just relabeled
[21:09:13] <Polylaptopism> =S
[21:09:15] <Polylaptopism> bugt
[21:09:19] <Polylaptopism> it looks like a better machine either way
[21:09:24] <Polylaptopism> for similar money
[21:09:27] <Polylaptopism> so it doesnt really matter
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[21:09:37] <Polylaptopism> I emailed for more specs
[21:09:40] <Polylaptopism> will order tonight or tomorrow
[21:09:49] <Polylaptopism> it seems to be phone only
[21:10:12] <XXCoder> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/archive.tar.gz once sync is complete
[21:10:47] <Polylaptopism> ty
[21:11:01] <XXCoder> it contains one htm and a folder
[21:11:06] <XXCoder> folder cannot be renamed
[21:11:18] <Polylaptopism> https://www.finelineautomation.com/products/complete-2-x3-router-kit?taxon_id=2
[21:11:23] <Polylaptopism> how does this machine compare to the raptor?
[21:11:31] <Polylaptopism> looks like it would be similar money when all is said and done
[21:11:44] <Polylaptopism> neither comes with motors or controller or spindle etc
[21:11:54] <Polylaptopism> a couple hundred more for the raptor
[21:12:05] <Polylaptopism> 1400 vs 1750
[21:12:07] <Polylaptopism> different work areas of course
[21:12:15] <Polylaptopism> but I'm assuming the raptor is a much nicer machine
[21:12:17] <Polylaptopism> is this true?
[21:12:22] <Polylaptopism> it also comes with a table for that price
[21:12:23] * malcom2073 debatings finding another decent machine just to troll....
[21:12:25] <malcom2073> but I won't
[21:12:25] <malcom2073> :P
[21:12:43] <Polylaptopism> I already found one...
[21:12:49] <XXCoder> Pee on it, malcom2073
[21:13:04] <Polylaptopism> http://www.dxcncrouter.com/2013/1204/59.html
[21:13:06] <Polylaptopism> 2k complete
[21:14:42] <Polylaptopism> I have to figure out this choice before I order
[21:14:48] <Polylaptopism> I think the raptor is nicer than the fineline kit
[21:14:54] <Polylaptopism> even though its a smaller work area
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[21:14:56] <Polylaptopism> I dont need the larger one
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[21:15:01] <Polylaptopism> or is it a comparable machine??/
[21:15:09] <Polylaptopism> and how does this new dx6090 option compare to these two?
[21:15:23] <Polylaptopism> AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:15:53] * Polylaptopism 's head explodes
[21:16:22] <XXCoder> did arcive successfully download?
[21:17:01] <Polylaptopism> dling now
[21:17:05] <Polylaptopism> ty
[21:17:08] <Polylaptopism> this is no joke people
[21:17:15] <Polylaptopism> I really need to pick one of these 3 cncs
[21:17:23] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: you missed this earlier <Polylaptopism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131731532248?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT what about this?
[21:17:46] <XXCoder> that one is interesting
[21:17:47] <Polylaptopism> I realized it would be absurdly large for my apartment
[21:17:52] <Polylaptopism> its a great deal though
[21:17:54] <XXCoder> is cabient included I wonder
[21:17:54] <Polylaptopism> but its rods
[21:17:58] <Polylaptopism> the b version is better
[21:17:59] <Polylaptopism> yes
[21:18:00] <Polylaptopism> it is
[21:18:02] <malcom2073> Heh
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[21:18:05] <Polylaptopism> but the b version with linear rails is the one to go with
[21:18:07] <Polylaptopism> around 3k or so
[21:18:10] <Polylaptopism> but its WAY too big
[21:18:13] <Polylaptopism> I honestly considered it
[21:18:16] <Polylaptopism> too much thoigh
[21:18:20] <Polylaptopism> so my choice is
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[21:18:44] <Polylaptopism> https://www.finelineautomation.com/products/complete-2-x3-router-kit?taxon_id=2
[21:18:45] <Polylaptopism> http://www.xzerocnc.com/raptor.htm
[21:19:00] <Polylaptopism> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1500w-4-Axis-CNC-6040-Router-Drilling-Milling-Professional-Engraver-Machine-/171456563604
[21:19:17] <Polylaptopism> I really need to order by tomorrow =\
[21:19:21] <Polylaptopism> this sucks
[21:19:44] <Polylaptopism> terrible decision
[21:19:54] <Polylaptopism> and I can't live with regret
[21:19:56] <malcom2073> Only because you're making it so
[21:20:03] <XXCoder> roll a dice, mod 0 is first, mod 1 is second, mod 2 is third ;)
[21:20:10] <Polylaptopism> lol
[21:20:17] <malcom2073> If youcan't live with regret, CNC is the wrong place for you
[21:20:21] <Polylaptopism> what if you were picking between those 3?
[21:20:25] <Polylaptopism> which would you go with
[21:20:32] <XXCoder> that kit probably will take while to build but well you will ssee once you unarcive it and read thread
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[21:20:38] <Polylaptopism> assume raptor has 1.5kw spindle and nice motors and controller added
[21:20:49] <Polylaptopism> its dled I will take a look shortly
[21:20:50] <malcom2073> My answer stays the same
[21:21:07] <Polylaptopism> a vote for raptor
[21:21:27] <malcom2073> Yep
[21:21:45] <Polylaptopism> I'll see what his email reply says
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[21:23:55] <CaptHindsight> same price, looks the same, but different pictures http://www.ebay.com/itm/24x36-CNC-router-machine-on-sale-free-ship-JCUT-6090B/121830706414
[21:24:31] <CaptHindsight> ah $400 more
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[21:32:27] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhjiIPohUyw&feature=em-subs_digest very nice
[21:32:43] <CaptHindsight> ok, I pulled the trigger on one, 6-32 22/7ths" long Torx head
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[21:40:03] <XXCoder> man
[21:40:06] <XXCoder> awesome video
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[21:43:18] <Polygalaxynoteis> captn
[21:43:29] <Polygalaxynoteis> You like that 6090b more?
[21:43:48] <Polygalaxynoteis> It's too big I think
[21:45:15] <pink_vampire> Polygalaxynoteis: the 6090 is 220V
[21:45:36] <Polygalaxynoteis> It's also too big
[21:45:39] <Polygalaxynoteis> 700 lbs
[21:45:46] <Polygalaxynoteis> and won't fit through the door
[21:49:09] <XXCoder> Polygalaxynoteis: what ya think of that machine heh
[21:49:14] <XXCoder> after reading its build details
[21:49:38] <Polygalaxynoteis> on my phone I will look shortly
[21:50:25] <Polygalaxynoteis> https://youtu.be/ctGWgUekxWA
[21:50:40] <Polygalaxynoteis> What do you think of the xzero performance here?
[21:52:54] <XXCoder> dunno. though I wonder if that guy will fill in cuts weith some black print to make it easier to read
[21:53:40] <XXCoder> apparently not
[21:53:45] <Polygalaxynoteis> nope
[21:54:09] <Polygalaxynoteis> Looks accurate enough to cut my 4 mm alu panels
[21:54:17] <XXCoder> should be fairly simple, cover in dye, then spin it and lightly polish out general covering
[21:54:17] <Polygalaxynoteis> I think
[21:54:31] <XXCoder> yeah most machines you ponder can do that
[21:54:34] <Polygalaxynoteis> That would look nice
[21:54:57] <XXCoder> its not that hard to get .001"
[21:55:11] <XXCoder> now challenge is .0001" precision heh
[21:56:00] <Polygalaxynoteis> I don't need that xD
[21:56:19] <Deejay> gn8
[21:56:35] <Polygalaxynoteis> Could I cut functional gears for human sized machines?
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[21:58:27] <Polygalaxynoteis> I'm about to call xzero
[21:58:34] <Polygalaxynoteis> easter Sunday sales support
[21:58:41] <Polygalaxynoteis> Hope service is as good
[21:59:02] <Polygalaxynoteis> Although It's really a frame im buying
[21:59:14] <Polygalaxynoteis> Hopefully not much could be wrong
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[22:02:04] <XXCoder> interesting video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnODe8JgW9E
[22:02:36] <XXCoder> wood looks weird
[22:03:53] <XXCoder> ah splalted breech
[22:03:58] <Polygalaxynoteis> lolllllll at end result
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[22:07:10] <XXCoder> lol uysing cd to clean chips off
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[22:17:05] <XXCoder> oops
[22:17:55] <Polygalaxynoteis> Anyone else care to comment on the choice of raptor 6040 or dx6090?
[22:18:08] <Polygalaxynoteis> George will call soon
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[22:21:32] <XXCoder> oops again
[22:22:03] <Polygalaxynoteis> ?
[22:22:10] <XXCoder> that video and 2nd part of ut
[22:22:14] <XXCoder> hes having bit problems
[22:22:15] <Polygalaxynoteis> lol
[22:22:22] <Polygalaxynoteis> his end result is odd
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[22:23:20] <malcom2073> CD goblet eh?
[22:23:23] <malcom2073> That's odd, but kinda cool
[22:26:15] <XXCoder> too bad about his second breakage, it'd be even otherwise
[22:26:20] <XXCoder> but does look cool
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[22:26:51] <XXCoder> I probably would have used drum drill bit and made smaller disks though
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[22:28:11] <XXCoder> still my most favorite turn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAe2kIVJ0QI
[22:30:12] <Polylaptopism> http://youtub.one/watch/V9qa771Utb0/xzero-raptor.html
[22:30:14] <Polylaptopism> is it nice?
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[22:30:57] <malcom2073> Whats with the guitars?
[22:31:01] <jthornton> $sql = "SELECT DISTINCT city, state FROM rescue WHERE state='$state' ORDER BY city ASC";
[22:31:25] <jthornton> I'm trying to get the cities with the state but my sql is failing
[22:31:28] <jthornton> any clues
[22:32:03] <Polylaptopism> why arent yo using prepared statements?
[22:32:17] <Polylaptopism> or are you
[22:32:20] <Polylaptopism> need to see more code
[22:33:03] <jthornton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15527833/
[22:33:10] <Polylaptopism> http://youtub.one/watch/khDZtyvRPPo/xzero-cnc-axis-accuracy-check.html
[22:33:43] <jthornton> oh I think I see a problem...
[22:33:52] <malcom2073> Polylaptopism: Those videos aren't loading forme
[22:34:06] <Tom_itx> jthornton, do you want them all?
[22:34:14] <Tom_itx> http://www.farinspace.com/us-cities-and-state-sql-dump/
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[22:34:32] <Polylaptopism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDZtyvRPPo
[22:34:34] <Polylaptopism> this one will load, sorry
[22:34:41] <jthornton> I need the cities distinct plus the state for a state
[22:35:12] <Polylaptopism> is this a problem
[22:35:21] <Polylaptopism> you should also use prepared statements I think
[22:35:27] <Polylaptopism> to prevent sql injection
[22:35:59] <malcom2073> Polylaptopism: It's only a problemi f you think it's a problem
[22:36:15] <jthornton> I don't know what prepared statements is
[22:36:22] <Polylaptopism> I dont know cnc
[22:36:32] <Polylaptopism> is the chinese 6040 going to be any better?
[22:36:48] <Tom_itx> i don't know sql much at all
[22:36:54] <jthornton> Tom_itx: go to search by state then city http://gnipsel.com/spyder/
[22:37:04] <malcom2073> 5 thousanths is probably perfectly fine for your uses
[22:37:07] <jthornton> click on ohio then madison
[22:37:11] <Tom_itx> jthornton, why not zipcode
[22:37:24] <Polylaptopism> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prepared_statement
[22:37:26] <jthornton> who know a zipcode
[22:37:31] <jthornton> knows
[22:37:35] <Tom_itx> google
[22:38:02] <malcom2073> there's a google api for that iirc
[22:38:03] <Tom_itx> i download taxrates by zipcode every quarter from my state
[22:38:19] <jthornton> did you go to the link?
[22:38:44] <Tom_itx> did now
[22:39:14] <jthornton> do you think googling a zip code when your broke down on the side of the road is a good idea?
[22:39:26] <Polylaptopism> malcom2073, does that mean I can only be as accurate as .005?
[22:39:30] <Tom_itx> if you have a smartphone it's not hard
[22:40:21] <malcom2073> Polylaptopism: Technically, that measn you can only be as precise as 0.005" over the length of the x axis.
[22:40:32] <jthornton> might be hard for many and when your stressed out you don't need hard to do things
[22:40:41] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:42:33] <Polylaptopism> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tDYi-mVSf4
[22:43:44] <malcom2073> cue makers are..... a weird bunch
[22:46:04] <malcom2073> Me and my dad helped make first a rig to go on a tablesaw for cutting cues from a template, then later made one out of an old atlas lathe and router
[22:46:19] <malcom2073> Cues go for like, $5-10k
[22:47:22] <XXCoder> make one out of cds
[22:47:34] <malcom2073> Hehe
[22:51:27] <pink_vampire> I'm back to here.
[22:57:37] <pink_vampire> Polygalaxynoteis: it's very light cut.
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[22:59:48] <pink_vampire> so yeah it has very nice travel but you cant learn anything about rigidity from this video.
[22:59:53] <pink_vampire> Polygalaxynoteis: ^
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[23:52:19] <Polylaptopism> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12316446_954259671330512_4302914621658281402_n.jpg?oh=c6ecb4885b08e86616f5f7982b864642&oe=5792A4C2
[23:52:24] <Polylaptopism> this is a cut from the raptor
[23:52:32] <Polylaptopism> superior to 6040?
[23:52:45] <Polylaptopism> its a lot more cash but I think it may be worth it
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[23:58:30] <malcom2073> Insufficient information to make that determination
[23:59:04] <malcom2073> However, the linear system and frame both look superior on the raptor, as previously said.
[23:59:46] <Polylaptopism> what material is that hes holding?
[23:59:53] <malcom2073> Metal of some kind