#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-03-16

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[00:00:52] <enleth> the initial run to the center of the table was 3000mm/min
[00:02:21] <enleth> but it will do up to 5000 just fine
[00:02:40] <enleth> and I think I could get it to run even faster
[00:03:32] <enleth> anyway, I'm keeping the TNC
[00:03:49] <enleth> if possible, that is
[00:04:37] <enleth> even with linuxcnc, it's still going to be faster for the 5 minute one cut odd job
[00:06:58] <enleth> and in the worst case, it's a solid, highly readable DRO for manual work
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[00:11:55] <enleth> heh, tried to push it to 7m/min and it didn't cooperate
[00:12:29] <enleth> I mean, it tried, then detected a gross positioning error
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[00:15:07] <enleth> OK, there are positioning problems even at 5.5m/min on the X axis
[00:15:37] <enleth> not surprising, the X drivetrain is most complex
[00:16:19] <enleth> and the dovetails longest, the X servo would obviously experience the most friction
[00:16:53] <andypugh> That’s an interesting “obviously”
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[00:17:29] <andypugh> Obviously the X dovetail has the lowest contract pressure and the lowest friction :-)
[00:18:21] <andypugh> The Y is moving more total mass, so probably can’t do the same acceleration as X.
[00:18:36] <enleth> well, you may just as well be right, I'm not about to try to measure the friction in there
[00:18:59] <enleth> but Y was actually capable of 6m/min
[00:19:24] <andypugh> Oh, no, I think I am probably wrong. I just don’t think it is ‘obvious”
[00:19:53] <andypugh> Gearing and leadscrew pitch matter a lot too.
[00:20:25] <Sync_> it probably is the same on the axis
[00:20:35] <Sync_> not sure if it has the lowest friction
[00:20:40] <enleth> I assumed the coefficient of friction is similar for X and Y dovetails and Y pushes 44% more mass than X
[00:20:54] <Sync_> from a standstill it should have the most, as it has the most surface area
[00:21:06] <enleth> but the dovetail contact area for X is more than 2x bigger than Y
[00:21:32] <andypugh> Yes, I expect it does come down to viscous drag on the oil film.
[00:22:17] <enleth> interestingly, the positioning error was detected a few seconds after the motor got up to speed
[00:22:40] <enleth> judging by the sound, it wasn't accelerating anymore at that point
[00:22:53] <andypugh> I don’t question the conclusion, particularly. But if someone told me that it was the other way round I am sure I could think of anothe “obvious” explanation. :-)
[00:23:36] <enleth> anyway, it appears that 5m/min is the practical limit
[00:23:45] <enleth> not that it matters much, that's plenty enough
[00:23:52] <andypugh> enleth: That sounds about right. It was at full speed, and lagging ever so slightly below commanded speed.
[00:24:33] <enleth> could be that the control wasn't as sensitive to errors as long as the motor was accelerating
[00:24:41] <enleth> no idea how the math is done internally
[00:24:43] <andypugh> Well, if 6m/min took seconds to trip, 5.95m/min would probably be fine.
[00:25:09] <andypugh> But give it a heavy worpiece, and all bets are off.
[00:25:10] <enleth> it tripped at 5.5 too, but only about halfway through
[00:25:19] <enleth> yeah, that was an empty run
[00:25:46] <andypugh> You probably should put the biggest thing you have on there for resting.
[00:25:50] <andypugh> (testing)
[00:26:33] <enleth> as far as I remember, specs for the machine claim that the table will hold something like 150kg
[00:26:42] <enleth> or maybe it was 200?
[00:26:49] <enleth> no less than 150 for sure
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[00:28:46] <andypugh> So, if you need more than two people, start wondering?
[00:28:46] <Sync_> the linear motor machines have a parameter for the part weight
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[00:28:56] <Sync_> soe they can optimize the accels and such
[00:29:20] <enleth> I could load it up with a bunch of 10kW autotransformers or a vacuum pump, but I can't be arsed to bring out the crane at the moment
[00:29:36] <enleth> so testing under load will have to wait
[00:32:47] <enleth> no point in even trying to lift all that crap without a crane, the pump is a bitch to move despite being on a wheeled base
[00:33:21] <andypugh> Use people, they are self-loading. If annyongly too squishy to rigidly couople.
[00:34:39] <Sync_> heh, that reminds me of the e24 gearbox I moved friday
[00:35:09] <enleth> interestingly, the operator's manual doesn't say anything about not running the mill with people on the worktable
[00:35:12] <enleth> weird, eh?
[00:35:37] <Sync_> a friend of mine wanted to move it with two persons, but I already had managed to shove it into the shelf
[00:38:28] <Sync_> it's actually not too heavy, about 65kg or so
[00:43:03] <Sync_> ah andypugh, had fun at work today
[00:43:53] <Sync_> noticed that the lead windows were cracked on my machine, super annoying to swap
[00:44:48] <andypugh> Yeah, 65kg is managable. I found myself panicking with 85kg still only half way across the room and wearing slippers, a little whie back.
[00:45:14] <andypugh> Lead or lead-glass?
[00:45:19] <andypugh> Can lead crack?
[00:46:00] <Sync_> leaded glass
[00:46:14] <Sync_> the problem is, LN2 runs into them
[00:46:16] <andypugh> (I exect that lead can crack in very thick sections, it is an interesting fact that any ductile material is capable of brittle fracture if it is thick enough)
[00:46:20] <Sync_> and due to the thickness they will crack
[00:46:56] <Sync_> the quartz/boro windows below them have never cracked
[00:46:58] <andypugh> Being cracked _probably_ doesn’t affect the shielding.
[00:47:15] <andypugh> But I have to say that
[00:47:23] <Sync_> the guideline says they have to be "intact"
[00:47:26] <Sync_> so we replace them
[00:47:32] <andypugh> that isn’t a “probably” I would chase very far.
[00:47:40] <Sync_> even if they only have an internal shell crack
[00:47:50] <Sync_> they still work fine, I measured it
[00:48:07] <Sync_> the whole thing is a joke here
[00:48:16] <andypugh> Indeed, any crack with a bend in it isn’t there…
[00:48:34] <Sync_> we only have stray radiation emitters
[00:48:44] <andypugh> But I suppose the danger is a second crack and then a section dropping out.
[00:49:03] <Sync_> the highest voltage we have in the systems is around 25kV
[00:51:13] <Sync_> but because some of the earlier guys responsible fucked up hard we have to play the ball really low now
[00:53:15] <Sync_> the windows are fun, they are incredibly heavy for their size :D
[00:53:22] <Sync_> (no shit)
[00:53:26] <Sync_> but still fun
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[00:54:39] <Sync_> oh, I also lied, one of the viewports has cracked before
[00:54:49] <Sync_> but that was due to the phd student throwing a spanner in there
[00:54:56] <Sync_> sounded like a gunshot
[00:55:53] <Sync_> combined with the alarm going off because the turbos stalled
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[00:58:23] <Sync_> I talked to a pfeiffer engineer and he told a story of when something failed in one of their big pumps and the rotor crashed hard without coming apart, it sheared it clean off the flange
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[01:05:04] <yasnak> Forgot to do their monthly inspections on the rotary girder eh
[01:05:10] <yasnak> Big no-no
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[01:09:41] <Sync_> vat
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[01:10:23] <yasnak> wow, nobody? okay. i'm here all week...
[01:11:01] <yasnak> PS: Looks like trump got Florida. Who knew there was idiots in Florida? :P
[01:12:04] <PetefromTn_> Of course there's idiots in Florida...Hillary won there
[01:12:09] <yasnak> ;/
[01:12:17] <yasnak> I tried my best man
[01:13:12] <PetefromTn_> Well the Cincinatti and the Standard Modern are no longer in Tennessee ;)
[01:15:39] <Sync_> :)
[01:17:18] <Sync_> did you already have a house in FL or are you just storing them?
[01:17:25] <yasnak> Wait, where in FL?
[01:17:57] <yasnak> I mean if you don't mind...
[01:19:21] <PetefromTn_> we do not currently have a house in florida but we are actively looking
[01:19:41] <PetefromTn_> the machines are going to be put into a storage unit until we are able to get settled into our new home
[01:20:06] <yasnak> Did you do it yourself or hire riggers?
[01:20:32] <PetefromTn_> We are moving to the Treasure coast area of florida about central east coast
[01:20:34] <yasnak> I've got pictures from when we moved ours. I can tell you this. OIL THE BEDS
[01:20:46] <yasnak> SHIT RUSTS FAST IF IT ISN"T ALREADY RUSTED FROM THE DRIVE :P
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[01:21:16] <PetefromTn_> I hired a guy with a very heavy duty dovetail hydraulic fifth wheel trailer and a Chevy heavy duty dually truck
[01:21:48] <PetefromTn_> we agreed to help each other load it up and for that I got what I feel is a very reasonable price for the shipping
[01:21:52] <Sync_> those 5th wheel trailers scare me
[01:22:13] <PetefromTn_> I have no idea why but not surprised you would say that.
[01:22:42] <PetefromTn_> this was a VERY serious trailer and had zero issues loading the machine or lifting it.
[01:23:21] <PetefromTn_> Gotta go...
[01:23:26] <Sync_> the trailers are probably fine
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[01:46:00] <pink_vampire> this is very excited moment for me now.
[01:47:57] <pink_vampire> my friend connect the first wires in the panel!!!!
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[02:05:26] <jdh> if you clipped your nails, you could connect wires yourself.
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[02:18:26] <yasnak> lol
[02:18:52] <yasnak> Idk how you work with those, let alone still have the ability to see.
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[02:25:59] <pink_vampire> I know.. but if I have to decide nails vs cnc control panel.. long nails are muuuch more important.
[02:42:02] <pink_vampire> yasnak: jdh ^
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[03:30:53] <yasnak> priorities ;)
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[03:42:39] <ljjms638> LinuxCNC2.7.4 can't support EtherCAT very well. I did it failed . Lcec invalid paremeters .Anybody ,success?
[03:44:28] <ljjms638> I did successful in Linuxcnc 2.6.4 .
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[04:02:00] <CaptHindsight> 5th wheel trailers are as strong as a house https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jMt-OwTGs
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[04:29:59] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-Spring-Loaded-Tapping-Guide-NEW-/331102652124?hash=item4d174186dc:m:mBNOvcWiI14KHtwJ9Vrk0rg
[04:30:40] <pink_vampire> someone know about better quality one?
[04:31:33] <pink_vampire> archivist: ?
[04:31:42] <pink_vampire> yasnak: jdh?
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[04:38:11] <yasnak> cheaper then that? not so much
[04:38:12] <yasnak> lol
[04:38:38] <pink_vampire> yasnak: read again..
[04:38:39] <CaptHindsight> I can build you one full custom for lots more
[04:39:28] <CaptHindsight> even with your name engraved in the teak handle and bubinga storage case
[04:39:40] <pink_vampire> people say that it has some play and it's off center.
[04:42:10] <zeeshan> pink
[04:42:12] <zeeshan> i use this one
[04:42:14] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TAP-GUIDE-TAPPING-MADE-IN-THE-USA-BY-FISHER-NEW-/141885484327?hash=item210908ad27:m:mW4J8pUWWGu_Pre5RD-zjbA
[04:42:16] <zeeshan> very nicely made
[04:52:35] <CaptHindsight> that turd, no exotic alloys, no laser guide, no bubinga storage case
[04:59:38] <pink_vampire> zeeshan: look very cute!
[05:03:39] <pink_vampire> and I want also threading end mills, but they SO expensive
[05:05:25] <pink_vampire> https://www.zoro.com/scientific-cutting-tools-thd-mill-single-intext-sc-14-18-56-tpi-sptm182/i/G3016684/
[05:05:33] <pink_vampire> 46$ O_O
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[05:06:40] <os1r1s> pink_vampire I like SCT end mills
[05:06:46] <os1r1s> I only have 1, but it works well
[05:06:56] <pink_vampire> sct?
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[05:07:33] <pink_vampire> os1r1s: link?
[05:08:03] <os1r1s> scientific cutting tools
[05:08:08] <os1r1s> Same company from that link
[05:09:24] <os1r1s> pink_vampire http://sct-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Catalog2015_81015_SPTM_STUBACME_ACME.pdf
[05:09:54] <pink_vampire> but for experiment that maybe going to kill the endmill 40$ it's too expensive
[05:10:52] <pink_vampire> I want it for brass aluminum and cold rolled steel.
[05:11:15] <pink_vampire> I think HSS willbe fine.
[05:13:42] <os1r1s> I used the one I posted to make acme threads
[05:13:45] <os1r1s> Worked great
[05:18:38] <pink_vampire> also i need small endmills for brass and aluminum. 1/8 1/16 1/32
[05:19:14] <os1r1s> pink_vampire Precise bits makes good small end mills
[05:21:31] <pink_vampire> i don't have the high speed spindle yet, so i want to order the cheap ones, because they going to break
[05:22:00] <pink_vampire> this is why i prefer the hss.
[05:23:54] <pink_vampire> os1r1s:
[05:39:22] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6QGLGJ-BOE
[05:40:34] <pink_vampire> what is the purpose of the sand above the weld?
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[06:10:24] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_QzqPI2Dn8
[06:10:35] <pink_vampire> soo cool
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[07:39:16] <pink_vampire> hi
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[07:52:15] <Deejay> moin
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[08:01:35] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
[08:03:25] <Deejay> hi pink_vampire
[08:04:07] <pink_vampire> I'm thinking about dental turbine as high speed spindle.
[08:04:16] <pink_vampire> the burrs soo cheap.
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[08:04:39] <pink_vampire> and it's go up to 300-400K rpm
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[08:09:56] <pink_vampire> or something like that
[08:09:58] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu4NCUB_i-M
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[08:14:50] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ozLmEy6o4
[08:14:57] <pink_vampire> also look very nice
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[09:14:47] <XXCoder> hey world
[09:22:35] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[09:22:40] <XXCoder> whats up
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[09:29:04] <pink_vampire> part of the panel get wires..
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[09:29:58] <pink_vampire> but still long way to go..
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[09:30:31] <XXCoder> theres always boring bits of project :)
[09:31:46] <pink_vampire> no..
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[09:32:45] <pink_vampire> for me it's the most excited part
[09:32:53] <XXCoder> cool :)
[09:38:18] <pink_vampire> what do you think about that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ozLmEy6o4
[09:38:43] <XXCoder> will look in couple mins
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[09:42:37] <pink_vampire> ok
[09:42:46] <XXCoder> interesting
[09:42:54] <XXCoder> cutting egg shells
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[09:43:52] <XXCoder> that persons definitely skilled.
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[10:08:32] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I'm thinking about using something like that as my high speed spindle.
[10:08:43] <XXCoder> that'd be great for engraving yeah
[10:10:14] <pink_vampire> for 3d machining
[10:11:54] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[10:12:03] <XXCoder> hmm dunno
[10:12:12] <XXCoder> depends on what material I guess
[10:14:04] <pink_vampire> any
[10:14:15] <pink_vampire> with 400K rpm..
[10:14:24] <XXCoder> cant do high rpm on hard metals but some will be fine
[10:14:39] <XXCoder> 400k? thought my 27k rpm was insane lol
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[10:16:30] <pink_vampire> you can cut the top of an egg without crack it?
[10:16:44] <XXCoder> yeah
[10:19:03] <pink_vampire> make a video
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[10:21:29] <XXCoder> interesting video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFYoTkY6Qi8
[10:22:10] <XXCoder> damn wood handle looks good
[10:22:12] <pink_vampire> I know this video
[10:22:51] <pink_vampire> he make a tap on aluminum for the handle - I didn't like it
[10:23:14] <XXCoder> whats wrong with that
[10:24:01] <pink_vampire> steel much better for that.
[10:25:23] <XXCoder> guess so
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[10:33:25] <XXCoder> interesting video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QaKiXRa-n0
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[10:45:41] <pink_vampire> I'm using the grid
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[10:49:13] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: what kind of endmills are you using?
[10:49:26] <XXCoder> at work its usually carbide
[10:49:34] <XXCoder> american company made usually
[10:59:05] <XXCoder> home I use wl cheapo hss tools
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[12:01:44] <__rob> the hsm stuff in inventor looks to be identical to the hsm stuff in solidworks
[12:02:00] <__rob> works really well in inventor
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[12:13:38] <R2E4> IS there a way to have linuxcnc ignore soft limits when doing a tool change?
[12:20:40] <yasnak> its HUMP dayyyy
[12:22:08] <Simonious> can fusion 360 do v-carve between two lines on a DXF? or at all..?
[12:24:58] <R2E4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82cYL2dPzqc
[12:27:23] <R2E4> v-carve was in beta in november, dont know if it made it in yet.
[12:40:00] <__rob> simonious, you should be able to use profile
[12:44:31] <Simonious> will check it out, looking into engrave at the moment
[12:44:44] <Simonious> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgR147SXP-w <- he talks about it at about the 15 minute mark
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[13:06:49] <Simonious> got it working following the instructions in that video :)
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[13:34:46] <R2E4> Whats the difference in using a 7i76E or 5i25 with 7i76? other than price. Any drawbacks with the 7i76E?
[13:37:21] <malcom2073> one is ethernet, one is PCI
[13:37:58] <malcom2073> From what I've heard, the ethernet one is beneficial if you want your control PC to be further from your machine, and not have to worry about signal noise in the cable between them
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[13:38:46] <R2E4> Why would you ever want to use the 5i25 then?
[13:38:59] <malcom2073> if you don't have two ethernet ports maybe?
[13:41:25] <R2E4> offloading CPU cycles seems like a win win situation.
[13:42:19] <malcom2073> Does it offload cpu cycles? The loop still closes in linuxcnc, not on the mesaboard afaik
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[14:40:15] <maxcnc> hi from a sunny nice day here in Germany
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[14:44:29] <maxcnc> till later
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[14:48:22] <Cromaglious_> nice 1927 Chevy barn find https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wn0KqoLnjM
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[15:22:09] <tiwake> what is "best-in-class manufacturing"?
[15:22:34] <tiwake> its listed under "important skills"
[15:23:03] <MattyMatt_> marketing wank from porkbarrelers
[15:23:35] <tiwake> I don't doubt that...
[15:23:43] <tiwake> http://www.nsc.aero/employment/03/Manufacturing-Engineer-2016.pdf
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[15:58:20] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: what spindle is in the 6040?
[16:00:48] <Loetmichel> watercooled chinese 24krpm ER11 spindfdle
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[16:01:21] <CaptHindsight> did they spec it at 400 or 800W?
[16:02:36] <Loetmichel> 800W
[16:02:41] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: it looks smaller in the pic but is it ~70mm in diameter?
[16:03:22] <Loetmichel> 80
[16:03:36] <Loetmichel> same as my home machine
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[16:03:55] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569
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[16:05:28] <CaptHindsight> most of the flex in the China gantry routers is from the aluminum vertical supports
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[16:10:25] <CaptHindsight> http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=27192 is how mine were made
[16:12:34] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel design has the linear bearings closer to the edge so it will have less flex than mine
[16:13:11] <MacGyverX> Does anyone know of an config examples on how to use rotary encoders in a closed loop config with LCNC?
[16:13:37] <CaptHindsight> MacGyverX: with steppers or servos?
[16:13:45] <MacGyverX> Sorry Steppers
[16:15:15] <CaptHindsight> Cromaglious_: these didn't even have threaded ends on the ballscrews for setting bearing preload, I had to shim them
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[16:21:30] <Cromaglious_> eeeshz... well I do have a metal lathe
[16:21:51] <CaptHindsight> MacGyverX: check this thread https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/3916-closed-loop-with-steppers
[16:22:41] <CaptHindsight> he had linear encodes but it's similar
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[16:23:05] <MacGyverX> I was looking at that, but I don’t see where they are assigning the input pins for the encoders
[16:24:58] <CaptHindsight> #linear encoders
[16:24:58] <CaptHindsight> setp hm2_5i20.0.encoder.00.scale 200
[16:24:58] <CaptHindsight> setp hm2_5i20.0.encoder.00.filter 1
[16:25:05] <CaptHindsight> etc etc
[16:25:52] <MacGyverX> Thats the scale factor thou?
[16:27:44] <pcw_home> encoder position scale is counts/machine unit
[16:39:19] <FloppyDisk> MacGyverX - pins are assigned based on the hm2_mot driver (I think), this line:
[16:39:20] <FloppyDisk> loadrt hm2_pci config=" num_encoders=4 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=0 sserial_port_0=000xx "
[16:39:55] <FloppyDisk> You need to add to the num_encoders=xxx, this is for a Mesa board. Depends on your hardware.
[16:40:38] <FloppyDisk> My setup was 5i25/7i77, not sure on other hardware.
[16:42:12] <MacGyverX> Hrmm
[16:42:44] <MacGyverX> Thanks for the info, that gets me little closer to figure this out.
[16:42:46] <CaptHindsight> MacGyverX: you might want to peruse the HAL docs
[16:42:56] <FloppyDisk> What hardware do you have?
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[16:43:51] <MacGyverX> Two different setups. One is a stock PC with LCNC & and MX4660 (normal parallel port) the other is a BBB /w MachineKit
[16:44:09] <MacGyverX> The second setup has a MX3660
[16:44:39] <FloppyDisk> Hmpf, no clue then... Ignore my suggestion because it's for a mesa setup.
[16:44:50] <MacGyverX> k.
[16:45:00] <FloppyDisk> Per CaptHindsight, look to the HAL and Motion info...
[16:45:09] <FloppyDisk> Let me see if i can find a link.
[16:45:52] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/intro.html
[16:46:08] <MacGyverX> Just surprised this hasn’t been done and documented. I found a reference in the wiki and the author said they would post there hal & ini. But that post was from 2007.
[16:46:23] <CaptHindsight> it's common
[16:46:44] <MacGyverX> What I am trying to do?
[16:46:48] <CaptHindsight> you get excited about the machine working and forget to post for others
[16:46:55] <MacGyverX> Oh
[16:47:18] <FloppyDisk> Or, you don't get back to it, too many things to do:-( (not that I have much to add)
[16:47:29] <CaptHindsight> or you get so fed up you're just glad it's working and try to forget what caused the pain :)
[16:47:50] <Loetmichel> Cromaglious_: i have a "lathe" too...
[16:47:55] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/hal/basic_hal.html
[16:48:38] <CaptHindsight> there was another forum post bit the link to the config is broken
[16:48:40] <Loetmichel> works well enough for small acme thread ends tho: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=520&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[16:48:49] <FloppyDisk> I live off this page: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/
[16:48:51] <Cromaglious_> mine is a sheldon 10" overhead leather belt drive. Got a Shars series 100 qctp on it with taper atachment
[16:49:00] <Cromaglious_> cira 1945
[16:49:11] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14058 <- REALLY tiny ;)
[16:49:22] <FloppyDisk> Then, go down and open the "REALTIME COMPONENTS AND KERNAL MODULES" then 'motion' here:
[16:49:27] <FloppyDisk> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
[16:50:00] <Cromaglious_> 7"?
[16:50:28] <Loetmichel> Cromaglious_: harbor freight "c0"
[16:50:33] <Loetmichel> is that 7"?
[16:50:37] <Loetmichel> or even smaller?
[16:50:41] <FloppyDisk> dunno... And, looks like Encoder pins are not on the 'motion' page,
[16:50:43] <Cromaglious_> yeah 7x10
[16:51:18] <Cromaglious_> I can get 10x22 between centers
[16:52:13] <pcw_home> encoder pins come from the hardware (for hardware encoder drivers) or encoder component (for software encoders like used on a parallel port systerm)
[16:52:24] <pcw_home> system
[16:52:26] <Loetmichel> hmm, it says 100mm diameter and 125mm between centers
[16:52:40] <Loetmichel> i doubt thats a 7"*10"
[16:53:00] <FloppyDisk> Yup - looks like encoder component has encoder.N.phase-A which is a "bit in" for channel A - that's your answer...
[16:53:14] <FloppyDisk> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/encoder.9.html
[16:53:41] <Loetmichel> Cromaglious_: i have a bigger one... didnt come aound to fix the motor since 2007 tho...
[16:54:13] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11462&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[16:54:18] <Loetmichel> oh sorry, 20010
[16:54:32] <Loetmichel> still 6 years that i had no pressing need to repair it ;)
[16:55:09] <Cromaglious_> I need to work on my motor switch... it goes into forward, but reverse, the start winding isn't connecting. So I need to fix that. just spinning the motor in reverse by hand to get it started
[16:56:17] <OdinYggd> ABZ?
[16:56:29] <Loetmichel> i already bought a new three phase motor for the "big" lathe... and a fitting single phase-> three phase VFD.... just hadnt the drive to make new mouts for it and fit it in the lathe ;)
[16:58:13] <Cromaglious_> heh.. sounds about like me... when there is a need it'll get fixed... until them oh well
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[17:02:09] <OdinYggd> My boss wants me to fix the toilet.
[17:02:18] <OdinYggd> I told him if you leave it alone it starts working again
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[17:02:24] <OdinYggd> Of course my coworkers are so full of shit that they can't
[17:02:30] <OdinYggd> and then they lie about using it even though it is blokced up
[17:02:54] <OdinYggd> Bleh. Poorly designed septic system, and I would need to jackhammer the floor to fix it
[17:03:16] <FloppyDisk> jackhammers are fun...
[17:03:56] <OdinYggd> Not in a cubicle sized men's bathroom
[17:04:05] <OdinYggd> with no accoustic surpression whatsoever
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[17:06:44] <Loetmichel> OdinYggd: get a hearing protector, get a jackhammer and a watertight jumpsuit... and hammer away ;)
[17:07:06] <Loetmichel> fun job
[17:08:10] <OdinYggd> Or just flush a few grams of sodium
[17:08:12] <OdinYggd> BOOM
[17:08:13] <OdinYggd> no more pipes.
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[17:31:16] <Cromaglious_> make a cone out of something, put a layer of foam over it. Put a hole through the middle and use an air hose to blow it out the vent stack and sink
[17:32:02] <Cromaglious_> or put a solenoid on the air hose and get an arduino to trigger it off and on and a faily high pulse rate
[17:35:55] <Cromaglious_> which is why I have a 15 meter usb camera to look down pipes
[17:36:09] <_methods> just cover the toilet bowl with saran wrap
[17:36:13] <_methods> then put the lid down lol
[17:37:39] <enleth> at the previous place, we had one room directly below the toilets for the rest of the building and one of the pipes running inside the ceiling clogged up
[17:37:52] <enleth> someone tried to fix that using high pressure water
[17:38:13] <enleth> they thought it worked - stuff was going somewhere after all
[17:38:20] <enleth> nah, the pipe cracked inside the ceiling
[17:38:32] <enleth> then the shitstorm ensued
[17:38:39] <_methods> literally
[17:40:02] <CaptHindsight> or try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcLrHKOvEFI Japanese toilet prank
[17:40:28] <_methods> jesus never do japanese pranks
[17:40:30] <_methods> are you insane
[17:41:37] <_methods> damn that dude pulled his pants down around his ankles to piss like a 5y/o
[17:44:00] <enleth> we had to hang a huge piece of plastic sheeting from the ceiling to direct all that shitty water dripping all over the place into one corner and put a barrel there
[17:44:50] <CaptHindsight> I'm not a fan of Asian toilets
[17:45:00] <Cromaglious_> squat pots
[17:45:02] <_methods> you mean holes in the ground?
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[17:45:28] <enleth> then draw straws to choose who's next to empty the barrel
[17:45:49] <_methods> new meaning to the word shitty job
[17:46:28] <CaptHindsight> now the Japanese versions with wipers, sprays, chisels, drying jets etc. aren't bad
[17:48:23] <_methods> smart toilets
[17:49:06] <archivist> you might get castrated is it is running mach3
[17:49:14] <archivist> is/if
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[17:49:23] <_methods> mach pee
[17:49:27] <Cromaglious_> hehe
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[17:50:27] <maxcnc> hi from sunset in germany
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[17:50:56] <maxcnc> tommorrow spring will arive acording to local radio stations
[17:51:07] <enleth> on a related note, never, ever try to get into a paid self-cleaning public toilet by having the door held open by the previous occupant
[17:53:10] <Cromaglious_> WHAT A pos SHITGUN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW7k8WHS2Go
[17:53:56] <enleth> they do *not* have an occupancy detector, they just start the cleaning cycle as soon as the door is closed for the second time after payment
[17:54:22] <SpeedEvil> enleth: hah
[17:54:31] <SpeedEvil> what an excellent method of trolling people.
[17:55:03] <enleth> serves them right for trying to crap for free, I guess
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[18:05:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.build.com/kohler-k-3901-toilet/s873433 $4753.88 Originally $6,338.50, Your Savings: 25%
[18:06:44] <CaptHindsight> look at all its features
[18:07:09] <CaptHindsight> Ambient lighting with seven colors and three programming options
[18:07:09] <CaptHindsight> Built-in speakers
[18:07:28] <CaptHindsight> Touch-screen remote control
[18:07:53] <CaptHindsight> "going to the bathroom was never like this"
[18:09:32] <Cromaglious_> freeway to get a shower though
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[18:14:40] <Cromaglious_> irobot bravva mopping robot
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[18:20:37] <Cromaglious_> wooo live action Jungle book movie, gonna have to see that on the big screen
[18:22:32] <CaptHindsight> Cromaglious_: is there one that searches for lost change in sofas?
[18:23:04] <CaptHindsight> wth, they have a defense division!
[18:23:37] <CaptHindsight> don't leave a mess for your enemy
[18:24:07] <Cromaglious_> that's called a grandchild
[18:24:28] <Cromaglious_> really stupid AI in those
[18:24:36] <CaptHindsight> for Seek Out and Clean missions
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[18:31:32] <_methods> search and destroy.......messes
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[18:32:37] <Cromaglious_> the AI in the grandkid robots are only good for finding shiny bits or things that taste yummy
[18:32:53] <Cromaglious_> or asking 'are we there yet'
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[18:34:46] <Crom_> Lance over at ChuckE2009 has too much money....
[18:35:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=hvlp anyone try any of these with solvent paints?
[18:35:34] <Crom_> he has a butt load of plasma cutters, tig, mig machines and has a cnc plasma table with another hypertherm cutter
[18:35:56] <_methods> yeah
[18:35:58] <CaptHindsight> I'm looking for something that I won't upset about if the solvents kill it
[18:36:00] <_methods> they work ok
[18:36:07] <_methods> you just gotta keep them really clean
[18:36:30] <_methods> some of them have shoddy fan nozzles and needles and stuff
[18:36:42] <CaptHindsight> sounds about right
[18:36:47] <CaptHindsight> pick a good one
[18:36:50] <_methods> i always buy 2 guns that way i can dissassemble and build a good one
[18:36:57] <CaptHindsight> or return until you get a winner
[18:37:01] <_methods> if you get lucky you get 2 good guns
[18:37:30] <_methods> my asturo lays a better fan than those will ever dream of
[18:37:46] <_methods> but if you're not trying to get a show room finish they work fine
[18:37:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.harborfreight.com/deluxe-airbrush-kit-95810.html
[18:38:21] <andypugh> I don’t understand “160 PSI HVLP Air Regulator”
[18:38:23] <_methods> yeah i don't know about that
[18:38:30] <_methods> i've never used their airbrush kit
[18:38:47] <CaptHindsight> this is for applying coatings before spin coating, so you can almost use a regular brush
[18:39:05] <_methods> then you'll be happy with that HF gun
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[18:41:57] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: I think that it's the max inlet pressure into the included regulator
[18:43:19] <_methods> material has a tendency to build up and sputter on the nozzles though
[18:43:37] <_methods> i keep a brush with thinner nearby to hit the nozzle with
[18:43:48] <_methods> then i just hit the air fan only
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[18:44:23] <_methods> keeps it from getting globs when you first start to lay down a pass
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[18:44:36] <andypugh> Well, yes but there is no need at all for a HVLP reg to go up to 160psi. It’s hard to find a compressor that goes above 120psi
[18:44:54] <_methods> i think it's from that shit fit between needle and nozzle in most of them
[18:45:05] <CaptHindsight> those are Chinese PSI
[18:45:08] <_methods> lol
[18:45:22] <_methods> yeah it's more like 40 real world psi
[18:45:44] <andypugh> Interestingly the unit coversion app on my phone thinks that 8 bar is 1160 PSI.
[18:46:04] <_methods> where did you see this 160psi?
[18:46:27] <andypugh> On that harbour freight spraygin page
[18:46:46] <andypugh> Hmm, spraygin. There might be a market for that.
[18:46:56] <_methods> hahah
[18:47:05] <_methods> i'll be in the market for that here in a couple hours
[18:47:20] <_methods> oh that 160 psi regulator lol
[18:47:30] <_methods> it has 14 reviews and 1 star
[18:47:31] <_methods> hahahah
[18:48:00] <_methods> the comments are hilarious
[18:51:57] <andypugh> It seems to be not particularly well thought-of :-)
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[18:52:51] <andypugh> Though I suspect that the fault is with HF calling it a “diaphragm regulator”
[18:55:08] <CaptHindsight> I have that one. It's just a ball valve with a gauge
[18:56:25] <CaptHindsight> it's manual on/off regulation :)
[18:56:27] <_methods> yeah it appears they're calling an on/off valve a regulator lol
[18:56:39] <archivist> I like the ma125psi on the dial, the 160 is just a case of it "goes to 11"
[18:56:45] <archivist> max
[18:56:52] <andypugh> I guess if you were good you could PWM it :-)
[18:57:00] <_methods> meh it's bottom of the harbor freight
[18:57:10] <_methods> classic case of get what you pay for
[18:57:50] <CaptHindsight> i wonder if they also have a 1.99 air compressor. It's a baggie with a rubber band
[18:58:02] <andypugh> Except that they have another at half the price which is a regulator: http://www.harborfreight.com/150-psi-air-compressor-regulator-kit-with-dial-gauge-68223.html
[18:58:20] <CaptHindsight> or the vacuum pumps that are just fans
[18:58:49] <CaptHindsight> I have that one as well
[18:59:11] <CaptHindsight> i forget if it's a regulator or just a valve
[18:59:33] <CaptHindsight> oh, I think it's just a valve with a finer adjustment
[19:00:07] <CaptHindsight> it's like a 10:1 ration on turns from open to closed
[19:00:15] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Some very good vac pumps are just fans. Very expensive fans
[19:00:17] <CaptHindsight> ration/ratio
[19:00:35] <_methods> http://www.harborfreight.com/4-gal-2-hp-125-psi-twin-tank-air-compressor-60567.html
[19:00:46] <_methods> i bought that compressor there for $70 like 10 years ago
[19:00:55] <_methods> and somehow that thing just keeps on working
[19:01:20] <_methods> that way i have an excuse to buy a good compressor
[19:01:31] <_methods> but it just keeps on surviving
[19:01:39] <CaptHindsight> I use it for small pneumatic valves
[19:01:55] <CaptHindsight> have a pancake one from them as well
[19:02:01] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shimadzu-TMP-TMP-1503LM-Turbo-Molecular-Pump-30300rpm-/252306888425 <- super-expensive fan.
[19:02:12] <CaptHindsight> for $60
[19:02:19] <_methods> with a name like shimadzu
[19:02:24] <_methods> i know i can't afford it
[19:02:25] <_methods> lol
[19:04:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.foodsaver.com/accessories-and-parts/foodsaver-the-new-handheld-sealer/FA2000-000.html?gclid=CLfkr-HyxcsCFQqKaQodV5cPUQ&kwid=productads-adid^55532574490-device^c-plaid^18283950120-sku^FA2000@ADL4000-adType^PLA
[19:04:12] <CaptHindsight> $14.99
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[19:13:10] <CaptHindsight> I'm surprised that irobot doesn't have a beer and snack delivering bot yet
[19:24:05] <maxcnc> Gn8
[19:24:21] <SpeedEvil> I have a grocery delivering robot.
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[19:24:29] <SpeedEvil> They look like humans though, it's spooky.
[19:25:48] <CaptHindsight> meat robots, yeah we have too many here as well
[19:29:44] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: combine ircbot with same code as those amazon ondemend buttons
[19:30:13] <XXCoder> then say something like ;ondemend chips
[19:30:45] <_methods> ^^
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[19:42:34] <OdinYggd> import chips
[19:42:36] <OdinYggd> import beer
[19:42:43] <OdinYggd> import drone
[19:42:45] <OdinYggd> import dleivery
[19:42:47] <OdinYggd> *delivery
[19:43:00] <OdinYggd> inb4 someone shoots it down cause they want the beer
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[19:47:46] <XXCoder> import beer; import human; main() { Beer beer = new Beer(); while(human.notDead() == true) { human.drink(beer); beer = new Beer(); } }
[19:48:27] <XXCoder> oops invalid variable error: human not found
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[20:02:36] <Deejay> Exception: Excessive use of resource beer. Object human was terminated.
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[20:05:09] <XXCoder> lol
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[20:56:16] <CaptHindsight> is there an IRC client that lets you flag users with certain colors or fonts?
[20:56:46] <XXCoder> I guess there could be some python scripts that can do that.
[20:56:57] <XXCoder> depends on client support of scripts of course.
[20:57:10] <CaptHindsight> yeah, just looking first
[20:57:53] <CaptHindsight> probably easier then a plugin to unread some comments
[20:58:13] <XXCoder> unread heh
[20:58:20] <XXCoder> I wish I could unread some lousy books
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[20:59:39] <jdh> irssi
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[21:00:43] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: ever try to return them for a refund?
[21:01:03] <XXCoder> thankfully good part of those was library books
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[21:06:41] <CaptHindsight> same for movies
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[22:05:20] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:06:59] <Cromaglious_> got tired of webchat on this machine and installed hex chat
[22:07:24] <OdinYggd> Good chocie.
[22:07:33] <OdinYggd> Have some technology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzCsDVfPQqk
[22:07:42] <OdinYggd> We literally can't build this anymore.
[22:08:05] <OdinYggd> Most of the at the time stock hardware is no longer available and would have to have equivalents selected.
[22:08:12] <OdinYggd> Secondly, nobody has the budget for such a thing
[22:08:17] <OdinYggd> Or the experience with such titanic engines
[22:08:38] <OdinYggd> Even though the merlins demonstrate that the tech behind the F-1 is still flyable, and can be pushed to far greater fuel economy and power to weight
[22:09:22] <Cromaglious_> we're using 30 year old russion engines right now...
[22:09:31] <OdinYggd> No we aren't
[22:09:50] <OdinYggd> Antares was using those, one of them blew up and they had to go back to the drawing board to redesign their craft around a different engine
[22:09:56] <Cromaglious_> they're making new ones now?
[22:10:04] <OdinYggd> SpaceX makes their own- the Merlin 1C and 1D powers the falcon 9
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[22:10:30] <OdinYggd> Those are SpaceX's own engines, drawing on the knowledge of historic designs and improved with modern metals and controls
[22:11:32] <OdinYggd> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxMuxZWtiOU Pretty sure the ULA builds their own engines too
[22:11:45] <OdinYggd> I don't know the details of those
[22:12:29] <Cromaglious_> OMG LMAO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK_p_kKJneY
[22:12:47] <Cromaglious_> gotta love AvE
[22:13:45] <OdinYggd> Lol
[22:13:51] <OdinYggd> Its just a dirty thermocouple
[22:14:01] <OdinYggd> millivolt system
[22:14:08] <OdinYggd> you have to have all the contacts exactly right
[22:14:22] <Cromaglious_> dinosaur squeezings vs dead tree carcasses
[22:14:31] <_methods> yeah that guy is pretty damn funny
[22:14:45] <_methods> i watched the one where he tore down that POS festool saw
[22:14:59] <OdinYggd> I used to have the same fireplace on the farm
[22:15:06] <Cromaglious_> that was epic.. the blender was pretty funny as well
[22:15:10] <OdinYggd> The house was equipped to utilize any available fuel
[22:15:17] <OdinYggd> Gas fireplace, coal stoker, and oil central heat
[22:15:24] <_methods> i didn't see the blender one
[22:15:29] <OdinYggd> So base load was handled by the coal stoker, while trim was either oil or gas dpeneding on cost
[22:15:35] <OdinYggd> and if I ran out of coal, plenty of wood to use
[22:15:41] <_methods> that's really the only video of his i think i've watched all the way thru
[22:16:28] <_methods> i had to look up all that chooch and skooker stuff he says
[22:16:36] <_methods> apparently it's some redneck canadian talk
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[22:17:50] <_methods> i watched a couple episodes of trailer park boys one time so i thought i knew everything about canadians
[22:17:55] <_methods> but apparently i did not
[22:18:01] <_methods> they have other words
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[22:18:36] <_methods> besides eh and hoser
[22:18:45] <Cromaglious_> ehh? they do? thought I hear all of them from A to Zed
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[22:33:58] <__rob> https://goo.gl/photos/b3uxENvC8pwk48347
[22:34:02] <__rob> new screen setup!
[22:35:26] <__rob> proper monster
[22:37:09] <gregcnc> 40?
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[22:43:05] <_methods> so many icons no wonder you had to get a new monitor
[22:44:10] <_methods> heh you might not want to put pics of your keys on the internetz
[22:44:38] <_methods> if you're the paranoid sort
[22:51:11] <Tom_itx> mmm that would make a nice cad monitor
[22:51:37] <Tom_itx> ... dual monitors
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[22:51:57] <_methods> hehe i have 3
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[22:52:13] <Tom_itx> i have 4 but they're all on separate pcs
[22:52:24] <Tom_itx> in the office that is
[22:52:30] <Tom_itx> one in the garage for the cnc
[22:53:01] <Tom_itx> how does windows handle 3? ok?
[22:53:08] <_methods> i have 4 actually
[22:53:13] <_methods> 3 monitors
[22:53:20] <_methods> and a 55" tv
[22:53:28] <Tom_itx> i wasn't counting the tv
[22:53:51] <Tom_itx> then there's 3 surface pro 3's sitting here..
[22:54:02] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/l3irb07xtdteqpi/2013-03-08%2018.38.36.jpg?dl=0
[22:54:05] <Tom_itx> i don't use em though
[22:54:40] <_methods> yeah windows handles multiple monitors much better than linux that's for sure
[22:55:06] <Tom_itx> i like the dual monitors at the lab
[22:55:17] <Tom_itx> until the instructor steals one and my stuff is all over it
[22:55:28] <_methods> i only have 1 monitor per machine in the garage
[22:56:05] <_methods> it's pretty sad that most of us probably have more computers in our garages than most normal people have in their homes
[22:56:12] <Tom_itx> i was over there yesterday and stopped in the lab.. they were having a mastercam session
[22:56:23] <Tom_itx> true
[22:56:52] <Tom_itx> the cnc lab has a whole room full of haas controls sitting on each desk beside their pcs
[22:57:27] <_methods> oh yeah those are nice for trainig
[22:57:30] <Tom_itx> i dunno if they can simulate with them or not
[22:57:44] <Tom_itx> i suppose they could
[22:57:46] <_methods> yeah you can use the control simulation feature
[22:57:52] <_methods> it's pretty rudimentray
[22:57:58] <_methods> jeebus i can't type tonight
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[23:07:42] <__rob> gregcnc yea, 40" 4k
[23:08:21] <__rob> the light started flickering in one of my 22"
[23:08:32] <__rob> so opted for just a single large instead
[23:09:06] <__rob> its pretty sweet for altium
[23:09:27] <__rob> can be zoomed in routing a pcb and still see most of the rest of the board
[23:10:22] <__rob> _methods, if someone can make my keys from that picture, find where I live
[23:10:37] <__rob> and get in, they can have my screen
[23:10:53] <_methods> yeah that's why i said if you were the tin foil type
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[23:25:09] <CaptHindsight> heh, a while you are at it copy his fingerprints from the drink bottle
[23:25:16] <CaptHindsight> just like on CSI
[23:28:27] <_methods> http://singularityhub.com/2011/06/29/your-keys-can-be-copied-from-a-picture-taken-200-feet-away/
[23:28:31] <_methods> that's from 2011
[23:28:51] <_methods> the capability to copy keys from pictures at a distance has gotten a bit better
[23:29:25] <_methods> highly unlikely
[23:29:56] <_methods> but still like i said if you're tin foil hat wearing type you might want to avoid it
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[23:33:59] <OdinYggd> Easily avoided.
[23:34:06] <OdinYggd> Keep your keys in your pocket till they are needed
[23:34:09] <OdinYggd> and no shiny surfaces near the lock.
[23:35:41] <SpeedEvil> The risk has probably gone up way more than that since 2011 since cameraphones have gotten more cpable
[23:35:54] <SpeedEvil> - more people with them
[23:36:08] <SpeedEvil> most cameras in 2011 were potato quality
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