#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-03-08

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[00:01:10] <Sync_> 95 is not that bad
[00:03:29] <yasnak> I'm 27, I have full on tinnitus. I didn't take it for granted but I should have listened to those who told me to always wear ear protection. Its the airhoses that are the worst.
[00:03:41] <yasnak> I actually can barely hear out of my right ear.
[00:05:22] <Sync_> I have a pair of earplugs always in my wallet
[00:06:33] <yasnak> I ended up getting a bunch of these: http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Tough-Sounds-Protection-Headphones/dp/B00L9MFATO
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[00:10:17] <Sync_> I have tinitus since I was born, not bad tho
[00:11:27] <yasnak> you'll know when its bad. it sounds like you're in a comedy horror movie with really weird sounds. Then at night if you accidently start thinking about it it gets louder and louder. Then the constant sound of a helicopter being above you :P
[00:12:10] <andypugh> Round this area it generally actually is a helicopter
[00:12:42] <gregcnc> I think years of car stereo got me, but I can't complain other than it's never really quiet anymore.
[00:12:44] <andypugh> I debate whether the crime prevention aspect is worth the thousands not sleeping aspect.
[00:13:00] <Cromaglious_> I have a bit of tinitus from guns.. I worked at the firing range for 7 years in the air foce
[00:13:18] <Cromaglious_> I have earmuffs everywhere now
[00:14:01] <yasnak> andypugh, i used to live somewhere where the sound of silence was deafening. now its constant sirens. not sure why they need sirens @ 4:00am on a tuesday when nobody is on the streets. logic isn't strong with many.
[00:14:39] <gregcnc> to show your taxes are doing something
[00:14:40] <Sync_> andypugh: is it really preventing crimes? :D
[00:15:56] <yasnak> gregcnc, my taxes show when every police car is a brand new charger w/hemi.
[00:17:04] <Sync_> they probably are that because they offered the cheapest fleet pricing
[00:17:38] <gregcnc> sure, but in the middle of the night avg citizen is glad they are chasing bad guys
[00:18:06] <yasnak> maybe the avg citizen needs to get a better hobby
[00:18:21] <Sync_> same reason why we bought e classes as fleet vehicles at work
[00:18:34] <Sync_> they were cheaper than the equivalent audi/vw/bmw
[00:18:35] <yasnak> e class?
[00:18:42] <yasnak> you bastards ;x
[00:18:57] <yasnak> we'd get 3rd hand geo metros
[00:18:59] <Sync_> why? they are just cars
[00:19:14] <gregcnc> over in germany they have inexpensive BMW/Audi/Merc we never see here
[00:19:18] <gregcnc> EU
[00:19:34] <Sync_> well, we get the RS6
[00:20:53] <gregcnc> those companies have an image to sell here and the common cars don't make the cut
[00:21:44] <Sync_> we looked at it and passats were about equal with the e classes but the warranty was not that good
[00:23:34] <Sync_> so we were like f that
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[00:24:49] <Cromaglious_> in Germany Mercedes is the Chevy there
[00:25:23] <Sync_> chevy is the chevy here
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[00:27:43] <Sync_> but we mostly get the daewoo stuff
[00:27:49] <Sync_> as they are cheap as heck
[00:29:02] <yasnak> daewoo bounce!
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[00:31:27] <Sync_> I mean you can get a base cruze for like 12k or something
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[00:34:05] <gregcnc> chevy cruze or?
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[00:39:00] <FloppyDisk> I hate throwing things away, those left over screws, washers, and nuts drive me nuts.... ugh!!!
[00:39:20] <yasnak> then dont?
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[00:39:32] <yasnak> i have an entire drawer with different screws and washers, nuts and such
[00:39:51] <yasnak> they come in handy so often
[00:41:06] <Cromaglious_> I have a 50cal ammo can with my leftover nuts, bolts, screws, and a 5gallon bucket full of used buggle screws (deck/drywall/...)
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[00:44:08] <Cromaglious_> 5 gallon bucket since every year we put up a stage with new screws and take it down at the end of the summer
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[01:07:53] <_methods> yoikes hardware is expensive i keep all that stuff
[01:08:03] <_methods> never know when a nut/bolt/screw will save your ass
[01:08:38] <yasnak> never going to lose my nuts
[01:10:01] <Sync_> it is quite easy to do so
[01:10:04] <_methods> hahah
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[01:14:15] <pink_vampire|2> hi
[01:14:33] <yasnak> good evening
[01:14:46] <pink_vampire|2> for me it's morning.
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[01:15:39] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to find 100ohm resistor, 100W
[01:16:01] <pink_vampire> but I can't find any of them :(
[01:17:26] <Sync_> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/1625999-1/A102105-ND/2055335
[01:18:49] <pink_vampire> Sync_: Thanks!
[01:19:08] <pink_vampire> do you think I need heatsink for it?
[01:19:30] <Sync_> ...
[01:20:41] <pink_vampire> ???
[01:20:47] <_methods> ///
[01:20:57] <_methods> ^^^
[01:21:03] <_methods> +++
[01:21:16] <gregcnc> ØØØ
[01:21:22] <pink_vampire> O_o
[01:21:25] <_methods> @@@
[01:21:44] <gregcnc> depends how much heat you need to dump?
[01:21:53] <Sync_> look at the datasheet
[01:21:55] <pink_vampire> 100W
[01:22:45] <gregcnc> 100W all the time? that will do 50W w/o
[01:23:47] <pink_vampire> I want to connect it directly to 100V DC 1A to limit the current if there is short circuit
[01:24:29] <gregcnc> so PCM wrote back and said the set screws were M4 so I must have special collets.
[01:25:07] <gregcnc> is that the typical protection method, why not a breaker or fuse?
[01:25:20] <pink_vampire> it's for EDM..
[01:25:56] <pink_vampire> you basically make sparks all the time..
[01:25:59] <gregcnc> OK
[01:27:00] <gregcnc> won't software stop the machine if the wire shorts?
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[01:27:10] <yasnak> yeah it should short
[01:27:15] <yasnak> or the wire will break...
[01:27:24] <yasnak> oh wait, its not wire right?
[01:29:17] <pink_vampire> graphite
[01:32:14] <gregcnc> when 100W isn't enough www.ebay.com/itm/141786939546?
[01:32:37] <malcom2073_> I got a couple 1000w resistors at work we use for testing batteries... they're nice hehe
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[01:34:12] <gregcnc> I have a couple of thick steel wound open resistors. 30-40A on a car battery.
[01:34:45] <Sync_> I wonder how they are going to test audio stuff with a 100 ohm resistor
[01:34:45] <gregcnc> doesn't even get warm
[01:35:28] <gregcnc> who knows
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[01:43:57] <pink_vampire> there is variable DC power supply
[01:44:09] <pink_vampire> 0-100VDC
[01:45:05] <_methods> lies
[01:45:10] <pink_vampire> all I get it's the lab style PS
[01:45:25] <pink_vampire> and I want it just to make sparks..
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[01:47:22] <Sync_> well, I don't think that there are a lot of non integrated regulated supplies in that class that you can just buy
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[01:51:17] <pink_vampire> there is step down/up variac?
[01:51:50] <pink_vampire> so I push 120Vac and get 0-200Vac
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[01:56:06] <Sync_> yes
[01:56:13] <Sync_> but you should just get a power supply
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[01:58:15] <pink_vampire> Sync_: like the lab style?
[01:58:55] <Sync_> yes
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[02:00:02] <pink_vampire> but they cost 1000$ and up
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[02:00:31] <gregcnc> for 1A?
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[02:02:30] <pink_vampire> yes
[02:03:12] <Sync_> luckily they come pretty cheap used
[02:03:32] <pink_vampire> where???
[02:03:38] <gregcnc> bebay
[02:03:44] <gregcnc> ~300USD
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[02:04:13] <pink_vampire> 300$ to make sparks..
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[02:07:38] <malcom2073_> You can make sparks for a lot less, but the sparks you want are fairly specific :P
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[02:09:37] <pink_vampire> yeah..
[02:09:49] <malcom2073_> special sparks!
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[02:10:01] <pink_vampire> the 30V 5A are cheap :(
[02:11:26] <Sync_> well, you can try to make your own, but it'll be more expensive after all
[02:17:00] <pink_vampire> EDM can work with AC?
[02:17:16] <pink_vampire> or I have to use DC?
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[02:59:19] <PetefromTn_> Well I pulled that transformer out from underneath the electronics cabinet today, also did a bunch of cleaning and prepping on the machine itself for the move.
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[04:17:58] <bobo_> PetefromTn: per your request of reminding you -Moving is not fun , don't be moving around. big grin
[04:19:16] <PetefromTn_> bobo_ yep it is not fun...
[04:19:33] <PetefromTn_> we have still a lot of packing and prepping to do here
[04:19:47] <PetefromTn_> I was looking at the electronics enclosure earlier
[04:20:17] <PetefromTn_> I THINK I can fab up a heavy duty bolt on ledge that I can secure to the side of the base of the machine next to the Z column
[04:20:44] <bobo_> Pete what is the xfmr input / output volt and KVA ?
[04:20:59] <PetefromTn_> that way I can just unbolt the thing from the existing mounts and using my floor jack lower it down onto this new mount
[04:21:05] <PetefromTn_> and bolt it up.
[04:21:26] <PetefromTn_> I honestly have no idea man it sure is a heavy little bastard tho ;)
[04:21:41] <PetefromTn_> I recall it has quite a few different taps on it
[04:22:15] <PetefromTn_> it was to allow you to run the machine from several different input power schemes
[04:22:42] <bobo_> the enclosure - would putting it on casters be usefull ?
[04:22:57] <PetefromTn_> well no not really
[04:23:04] <PetefromTn_> it will not be sitting on the floor
[04:23:25] <PetefromTn_> it must still sit above the leveling pods that protrude from the base of the mill all around
[04:23:41] <PetefromTn_> I did find one good thing today tho
[04:23:51] <PetefromTn_> after measuring and looking at things
[04:24:21] <PetefromTn_> there is a rectangular hole in the back of the cabinet where the wires that run up to the PC and pendant up front enter the electronics cabinet
[04:24:31] <PetefromTn_> once I move this thing to its new location
[04:24:41] <PetefromTn_> that will be OUTSIDE of the box
[04:24:57] <PetefromTn_> so the wires will have to come into the side of the cabinet
[04:25:30] <PetefromTn_> luckily there is a lot more area to cut a hole on the side than there is on the back so that makes things a little easier
[04:26:17] <PetefromTn_> The damn box is quite large and even if it were completely heavy it is pretty thick steel so I would guess it is probably like 200 lbs or more
[04:26:42] <PetefromTn_> it is large enough for me to stand inside it easily
[04:27:22] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda anxious to get this done because once it is completed my machine can be put in any garage door anywhere we ever move to LOL
[04:27:33] <PetefromTn_> But of course we are NEVER gonna move again!!
[04:29:36] <bobo_> steel thickness may have been a NEMA electrical requirement and size may have been make it large enought to cover future add on
[04:31:35] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah and when it was original control it was MOSTLY full
[04:31:42] <PetefromTn_> not it is MOSTLY empty ;)
[04:31:56] <PetefromTn_> now
[04:32:32] <PetefromTn_> So tomorrow I plan to fab up a heavy duty ledge and try to drill and bolt this thing to the side of the base
[04:32:42] <PetefromTn_> once it is on there we can move the cabinet
[04:32:57] <PetefromTn_> then I plan to secure it somehow to stay put and get it leveled up
[04:33:25] <PetefromTn_> after that I will have to extend the top mount which is also quite heavy duty an additional 6 inches to reach the new position
[04:33:43] <PetefromTn_> I will have to drill at least one hole on top for the mount
[04:33:50] <PetefromTn_> and two holes in the bottom for that mount
[04:34:08] <PetefromTn_> as well as the new port for the wires coming from the front of the machine
[04:34:54] <bobo_> back when that/those mill was designed the lead time on production was similar to that of cars
[04:35:00] <PetefromTn_> should be plenty strong after that and will be about 11 inches lower than before...
[04:35:24] <PetefromTn_> I must say that everything on the machine is OVER built like crazy LOL
[04:35:58] <PetefromTn_> that top mount is like 3/8 steel plate gusseted on top and bottom it could hold my van up off the ground ;)
[04:36:54] <bobo_> some of the over build is for shipping and P-poor floors
[04:37:09] <PetefromTn_> I'm sure
[04:37:43] <PetefromTn_> some guy posted a sweet Dorian wedge style toolpost and several holders on my local craigslist
[04:38:10] <PetefromTn_> right now I am broke trying to pay for all this house upgrades and the moving of the machines etc... so I am kinda pissed LOL
[04:38:22] <PetefromTn_> He just lowered the price a hundred bucks too
[04:38:51] <PetefromTn_> I am hoping my tax return comes back here soon maybe I can snag it for the CNC lathe...it would be nice to have a quality Dorian setup on there...
[04:41:18] <bobo_> Pete take a look at the newest Keath Fenner vid , thought you might consider his shaft strighting roller kit and also think about what he is going to do to his new(to him)car
[04:42:07] <bobo_> something to do in Fla
[04:42:29] <PetefromTn_> not familiar with him sorry
[04:44:07] <bobo_> Pete https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIGGl8WjRnc
[04:44:32] <Crom> my 0.011mm indicator showed up today
[04:44:38] <Crom> my 0.01mm indicator showed up today
[04:46:55] <Crom> no paperwork, no brandname, just a blue plastic case, silica gel, bag, vac form place in the box and the indicator
[04:47:02] <bobo_> Pete around the 27 min mark i think but the begining is a good ad on real shoes for in the shop
[04:49:17] <PetefromTn_> hm
[04:49:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think I have seen that guy before
[04:49:49] <PetefromTn_> maybe once I get to Florida and this stuff settles down I can watch it more
[04:50:06] <PetefromTn_> right now I have a bunch of stuff I need to think about
[04:52:10] <bobo_> Pete you might be able to get some shafting work , and also making stuff for the car crowd
[04:52:16] <PetefromTn_> hehe one of the cables I need to get disconnected is the Modbus hookup for the Spindle control...maybe this will make me get off my butt and actually redo it for the analog control once I am in Florida LOL
[04:53:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah man it kinda sucks.. just when I was getting all the pieces parts for the CNC lathe over here I sold the house and won't be able to get back to it for awhile... I was really looking forward to getting it going.
[04:54:09] <PetefromTn_> Once I get this bracketry made for the Cincinatti I need to take my Argon bottle back to the supplier I only rent it but I paid for 5 years. I only have had it for four...
[04:55:02] <bobo_> can it be transfered to Fla?
[04:55:18] <PetefromTn_> I doubt it. This is a local company
[04:55:32] <PetefromTn_> I will ask them when I bring it back tho..
[04:55:41] <PetefromTn_> it is almost empty anyway
[05:00:22] <bobo_> Pete have you gotten a tarp to cover the mill for it's final move ?
[05:04:01] <Jymmm> his wife's wedding dress
[05:04:08] <PetefromTn_> Well I have several different tarps and the shipper guy told me he has some industrial heavy duty tarps for it as well..
[05:05:50] <Jymmm> I still say the wedding dress. The look on her face... PRICELESS!!!!
[05:06:00] <Jymmm> be sure to get it all on video PetefromTn_ =)
[05:06:02] <PetefromTn_> heh
[05:06:26] <PetefromTn_> I think we might have someone to buy her truck here tomorrow hopefully
[05:07:04] <PetefromTn_> she decided that if we are moving to Florida she does not need a 4x4 SUV with large mud tires on it....now she needs a cool drop top sportscar ;)
[05:07:40] <PetefromTn_> so hopefully the guy buys it and we can get her something fun.
[05:07:46] <Jymmm> where does the gators go in then?
[05:07:58] <bobo_> PRICELESS!!!! as in this is going to cost you big time
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[05:08:21] <PetefromTn_> plus if we can sell it here that will make it so we do not need to rent a tow dolley or trailer and pay for the gas to move it down there.
[05:08:43] <PetefromTn_> naah we are gonna get a used car but something sporty
[05:08:46] <Jymmm> bobo_: headlines the next day.... "Man from TN murdered in wedding dress"
[05:09:09] <PetefromTn_> maybe a convertible mustang or an import sports car with a tee top or sunroof
[05:09:43] <PetefromTn_> I'm trying to talk her into a 300ZX T top but she is not sure yet ;)
[05:09:50] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Check insurance rates BEFORE buying
[05:10:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah we both have good driving records but it is a consideration
[05:11:17] <PetefromTn_> I think I am the one who got the last ticket actually ;)
[05:11:25] <Jymmm> driving records have no meaning when talking a sports car =)
[05:11:33] <PetefromTn_> We were in my Fiero GT going to a U2 concert in Nashville...
[05:12:03] <PetefromTn_> I got passed by some kinda import sedan and decided to sorta draft him for awhile ;)
[05:12:32] <PetefromTn_> next thing I know we are going down a long hill into Nashville basin and we somehow got over the speed limit but a good bit LOL
[05:12:38] <bobo_> Pete she needs a Lamborghini convertible
[05:12:42] <PetefromTn_> GUESS WHO got pulled over...
[05:12:56] <Jymmm> the one they caught first =)
[05:13:02] <PetefromTn_> bobo_ she's shit out of luck then mate ;)
[05:13:39] <PetefromTn_> She did wreck my Ford Probe GT we had driving too fast one day years ago...
[05:14:02] <PetefromTn_> ran it into an embankment
[05:14:57] <bobo_> Pete send her Ph # to Jymmm an Zeeshan , we will give her the facts
[05:15:10] <Jymmm> ?
[05:15:19] <PetefromTn_> you must be kidding me
[05:15:39] <PetefromTn_> I would not send my worst enemy's number to those clowns ;)
[05:15:43] <Jymmm> bobo_: facts?
[05:15:53] <bobo_> she needs a Lamborghini convertible
[05:16:25] <Jymmm> I'm sure that PetefromTn_ can adjust the valves every 3 weeks in it
[05:16:27] <PetefromTn_> Nobody NEEDS a Lamborghini convertible
[05:16:45] <PetefromTn_> well except me actually
[05:16:56] <bobo_> and Pete is not giving her the lifestyle she needs
[05:17:18] <Jymmm> I wouldn't own one if you gave it to me.
[05:17:20] <PetefromTn_> Hey man I am taking her to live in the Florida sunshine paradise!!
[05:17:41] <PetefromTn_> I even bought us matching awesome Fishing kayaks :D
[05:18:14] <Jymmm> Constantly working on it every week gets old REAL fast.
[05:18:20] <PetefromTn_> Oh and I always open the door for her and thank her for making me dinner
[05:19:34] <Jymmm> checking out her ass and making sure she doesn't eat too much... gotit!
[05:19:47] <PetefromTn_> precisely
[05:20:13] <Jymmm> I call em as I see em
[05:20:25] <PetefromTn_> hehe well I better get to bed so I can work some more on all this stuff.... Gotta get this machine moved here soon.
[05:20:37] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 guys
[05:20:43] <bobo_> she needs a Lamborghini convertible
[05:20:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah yeah
[05:21:12] <bobo_> with a trailer hitch
[05:21:14] <PetefromTn_> she probably deserves one for putting up with all my bullshite
[05:21:23] <Jymmm> TWO
[05:21:30] <PetefromTn_> lol
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[05:51:53] <bobo_> Jymmm you think this is what Pete has in mind for Fla. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ish567ZgU
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[06:45:13] <pink_vampire|2> what is more accurate drill chucks that have arbor or straight shaft?
[06:46:20] <pink_vampire|2> I need something for small drills and reamers
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[06:53:50] <pink_vampire> archivist: ?
[06:55:38] <pink_vampire> someone?
[06:56:05] <tiwake> what?
[06:56:43] <tiwake> pink_vampire: oh could I get a discord invite again?
[06:57:01] <pink_vampire> yes
[06:58:07] <pink_vampire> https://discordapp.com/invite/0oAimSwFHdSWZCUl
[06:59:13] <pink_vampire> tiwake: do you want to chat on discord?
[06:59:29] <tiwake> pink_vampire: you mean voice?
[06:59:38] <pink_vampire> yes..
[06:59:42] <tiwake> not really, they don't have a linux client
[07:00:00] <pink_vampire> you need browser
[07:00:03] <tiwake> using the browser thing
[07:00:20] <tiwake> but voice chat with discord in the browser kinda sucks
[07:00:58] <pink_vampire> I'm use only the web and it's work fine for me..
[07:12:48] <Crom> wooo I'm in lust for a keyboard http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/UB40B5A
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[07:31:30] <tiwake> Crom: ooo... thats a classic spring-buckle type too
[07:31:50] <Jymmm> Crom: How's the juki?
[07:32:00] <tiwake> Crom: the razor black widow is pretty nice actually
[07:33:49] <Crom> working.. got the bobbin as loose as it'll go
[07:36:46] <Crom> the ultra classic 104 black looks good too only $84... last I bought a unicomp they were $67
[07:37:00] <Crom> that was 2004 I think
[07:37:19] <Crom> but I didn't get any usb then
[07:37:23] <Crom> grrrr
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[08:00:25] <Deejay> moin
[08:05:15] <MrSunshine> hmm i wonder how a dead blow forging hammer would work for blacksmithing .. yeah you can use the bounce to put a little bit less work into the forging process but feels like a deadblow would deliver alot more energy to the piece being forged ?
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[08:06:49] <Crom> MrSunshine, just doesn't work... your arm gets real tired real fast
[08:07:00] <MrSunshine> yeah might be true =)
[08:07:10] <MrSunshine> but would it deliver more energy in one blow ?
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[08:07:20] <Crom> I've tried it...
[08:07:27] <MrSunshine> Crom: haha ok =)
[08:08:18] <Crom> maybe... but forging your working the metal for many blows until you need to reheat the work
[08:08:50] <Crom> I did a little last weekend. At the Riverside Dickens fair
[08:09:16] <MrSunshine> Crom: yeah but one problem when forging stuff is that you move the outer metal more than the middle with more cross section, more energy into the piece would move more metal deeper inside the piece =)
[08:09:53] <Crom> 110 year old forge, 120# anvil and a 46oz oz hammer...
[08:10:10] <Crom> if your gonna do that get a trip hammer
[08:10:28] <Crom> let a motor supply the mussle
[08:10:44] <MrSunshine> have my eyes on one that i know is local here ... but they want to have it on an auction insted of selling it to me directly
[08:10:44] <Crom> muscle
[08:11:00] <MrSunshine> hopefully when they have the auction there isnt anyone there interested in it and i can get it real cheap =)
[08:11:23] <enleth> MrSunshine: strike faster and more often to get more energy in, no easy way around that if you do it by hand
[08:12:38] <pink_vampire> what is the name for the half washer that secure the gear on a shaft?
[08:13:33] <Crom> C clip, e clip, snap ring internal and external
[08:13:42] <enleth> MrSunshine: the bounce is what helps reverse the motion of the hand, without it you won't be able to keep a decent rhythm
[08:14:05] <MrSunshine> enleth: im well aware of that =) but this was a question in energy delivery at one hit =)
[08:14:23] <pink_vampire> Crom: !! yes!
[08:14:29] <pink_vampire> thanks!
[08:14:41] <MrSunshine> might be good for some work tho, like using tools where you do not need to hit fast and for long times
[08:14:45] <MrSunshine> like when hot cutting etc =)
[08:15:33] <enleth> ah, OK, hot cutting sounds reasonable
[08:15:58] <MrSunshine> and punching holes and stuff =)
[08:16:08] <MrSunshine> where you want a solid hit =)
[08:16:43] <enleth> hot cutting also works nice with a small hand-operated hydraulic press
[08:16:43] <pink_vampire> how I make the groove for the C clip?
[08:16:47] <MrSunshine> and lots of situations in forging also .. when doing an offset over the edge of the anvil for example =)
[08:17:07] <Crom> parting too
[08:17:13] <Crom> tool
[08:17:24] <MrSunshine> might be something to try out just for the heck of it .. always good to have more tools in the arsenal =)
[08:17:40] * MrSunshine wants his blacksmithshop operational again :(
[08:18:00] <Crom> or 4th axis/rotary table and a 1/16" or 1/8" end mill
[08:18:23] <pink_vampire> I can do it on 3 axis machine?
[08:18:34] <MrSunshine> but first .. get the cnc running ... finaly got the 8 new steel wire wheels done last night more than some finnishing touches ... need to put bearings in and start drilling holes and planning where they should go =)
[08:18:37] <enleth> which reminds me, I need to find a cheap anvil
[08:18:49] <pink_vampire> the shaft is 30mm length 1/8" diameter
[08:18:50] <archivist> steam hammer rules
[08:18:56] <Crom> mount the shaft in a collet and hold down a parting tool to the table
[08:19:33] <MrSunshine> archivist: hehe .. been looking at videos of those huge steam hammers before .. those things can move some metal =)
[08:19:44] <enleth> archivist: the sound they make is absolutely great
[08:20:26] * MrSunshine hopes to be able to run the cnc machine again by this evening ... but wont happend as long as i dont get out of bed ... sigh :P
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[08:20:34] <pink_vampire> I see now..
[08:20:48] <pink_vampire> but I get 2 kind of clips.
[08:20:49] <pink_vampire> https://www.fastenal.com/products/e-clips?term=c+clip&r=%20~|categoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22600135%20Retaining%20Rings%20and%20Clips%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22600137%20E-Clips%22|~
[08:20:59] <pink_vampire> https://www.fastenal.com/products/retaining-rings?term=c+clip&r=%20~|categoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22600135%20Retaining%20Rings%20and%20Clips%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22600139%20Retaining%20Rings%22|~
[08:21:09] <archivist> enleth, fun to use them :)
[08:21:19] <pink_vampire> which one is better?
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[08:22:05] <MrSunshine> i trust C clips more than E clips =)
[08:22:37] <archivist> the steam hammer I have played with http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2001/2001_09_27_Claymills_Open_Day/P1010350.JPG
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[08:22:41] <Crom> depnds on the side thrust and rpms of the shaft
[08:23:03] <pink_vampire> 60 rpm..
[08:23:13] <pink_vampire> maybe less
[08:23:19] <MrSunshine> archivist: just an early version of air hammers i guess ? =)
[08:23:48] <archivist> air apparently does not give the same strike
[08:24:06] <pink_vampire> here https://www.fastenal.com/products/fasteners/retaining-rings-and-clips/retaining-rings/external-retaining-rings?term=c+clip&r=~|categoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22600135%20Retaining%20Rings%20and%20Clips%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22600139%20Retaining%20Rings%22|~%20~|ismadeinusa:Yes|~%20~|categoryl4:%22602509%20External%20Retaining%20Rings%22|~
[08:24:13] <Crom> any side thrust?
[08:24:18] <pink_vampire> what is "ring number"?
[08:24:39] <pink_vampire> not much..
[08:26:01] <Crom> easy on easy off low rpm minimal side thrust, the poodle rings are nice
[08:27:11] <pink_vampire> poodle rings?
[08:27:26] <pink_vampire> https://www.zoro.com/value-brand-retain-ring-ext-dia-14-in-pk100-168747/i/G2004012/?gdffi=047ada998cf641fa93e55ae8579df863&gdfms=E392BB530E474D208855185634B2052F&gclid=CNfckczVsMsCFZCQHwodL1EOHw&gclsrc=aw.ds
[08:27:30] <pink_vampire> this one?
[08:27:33] <Crom> https://www.fastenal.com/products/fasteners/retaining-rings-and-clips/retaining-rings/external-poodle-rings?term=c+clip&r=~|categoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22600135%20Retaining%20Rings%20and%20Clips%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22600139%20Retaining%20Rings%22|~%20~|categoryl4:%22612443%20External%20Poodle%20Rings%22|~
[08:27:58] <Crom> yeah that one
[08:28:15] <Crom> I'd still put a washer or 2 inside of it
[08:29:12] <Crom> unless it's up against a bearing then I'd use one
[08:29:21] <Crom> ground steel washer
[08:29:52] <pink_vampire> and how I what size I need?
[08:30:04] <pink_vampire> the shaft diameter is 1/8"
[08:30:12] <Crom> that I don't know.. I just go to the drawer and find one
[08:30:27] <pink_vampire> :(
[08:30:29] <Crom> should need a 11/8" shaft washer
[08:30:34] <Crom> should need a 1/8" shaft washer
[08:30:56] <pink_vampire> I have shoes in the drawers
[08:30:58] <Crom> time to toss this keyboard, but it's my only usb wired
[08:32:10] <pink_vampire> some time I think why I need all that stuff..
[08:32:36] <Crom> oh I do have another keyboard but it's flexible laptop one... where's a piece of plywood to stick it on
[08:34:06] <pink_vampire> I mean to the cnc stuff..
[08:34:21] <pink_vampire> Crom: what do you mean?
[08:34:27] <Crom> `Hmm hows this one working.. It's working pretty good. the1 doesn't repeat.
[08:34:49] <Crom> space bar is split into two buttons
[08:35:42] <Crom> ometimes it's esier to throw something on the manual lathe...
[08:37:55] <Crom> I thnk the clips re size for the shaft not the groove so an 1/8" clip should fit fine on a 1/8 shaft with a 0.025" or so groove
[08:38:43] <Crom> the groove sizes re in the machinists handbook, which you can find online
[08:39:10] <Crom> ack.. after middy nite.. nite nite all
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[08:44:19] <pink_vampire> you need to high light my nick..
[08:44:59] <pink_vampire> highlight*
[08:45:57] <pink_vampire> sometime I don't pay attention to the IRC if I'm do something
[08:46:26] <pink_vampire> I'm google now for machinists handbook.
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[08:47:49] <pink_vampire> Crom: ^
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[10:23:12] <pink_vampire> hi
[10:23:26] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
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[10:24:12] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I need new drill chuck for small drills
[10:25:08] <XXCoder> yeah?
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[10:33:33] <maxcnc> hi
[10:33:57] <maxcnc> its 10 inches of snow here from a blizzard became very late today to the shop ;-)
[10:35:00] <maxcnc> Wolf_: is it the one in Ramstein im near you if it is
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[10:35:15] <XXCoder> it havent snowefd much here
[10:35:41] <maxcnc> DRGray: how is it going still mounting or miling
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[10:41:52] <enleth> Sync_: do you have any experience with cooling CO2 sealed tube lasers with a water/glycol mix?
[10:41:59] <enleth> (or anyone else in fact)
[10:43:07] <enleth> supposedly some lasers don't like the additives in commercial car antifreeze mixes but demineralized water mixed with ethylene glycol is mentioned sometimes as safe
[10:46:54] <maxcnc> enleth: in the Stage technics for large show lasers a combinated liquid air system is usee
[10:47:24] <maxcnc> there is like ice fluid with a vent blowing the cold TRY air over the tube
[10:47:36] <enleth> maxcnc: that's nice to know but not terribly useful for a CO2 laser cutter
[10:49:15] <maxcnc> depends on what cooling power you need a simple freeser presure vent for 10USD will give you about -5Deg cool air at 20m³ per min
[10:50:32] <enleth> I'm quite sure I don't need that
[10:51:43] <enleth> I'll be rigging a chinese 50W sealed tube that is supposed to be water cooled with an aquarium pump in an open tank and I'd just like to go a step up from ghetto technology
[10:52:10] <maxcnc> agree
[10:52:30] <enleth> which means, for example, that I'd prefer a coolant that prevents stuff from growing in it
[10:54:38] <XXCoder> cant be replaced and purged sometimes eh
[10:54:55] <enleth> a sealed water/glycol system made out of PC water cooling components seems to be ideal, the waste power output is very similar to what a serious gaming rig produces
[10:55:32] <enleth> XXCoder: it's going to be hard cleaning the inside of the coolant conduit in the tube
[10:55:41] <XXCoder> thats true
[10:56:43] <enleth> demineralized water will prevent scale bulildup, but the system needs to be sealed to keep it demineralized over a reasonable period of time
[10:56:59] <maxcnc> ali got redy made pro stuff at around 160USD the CW3400 for instant
[10:56:59] <maxcnc> loks pro
[10:56:59] <maxcnc> looks
[10:57:15] <maxcnc> SPT Laser Water Chiller
[10:58:41] <enleth> who knows what's inside
[10:59:21] <maxcnc> that is the main problem on all sethuan parts
[10:59:56] <maxcnc> maybe R68 that is hihly toxic
[11:00:04] <maxcnc> ok im off
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[12:08:04] <Sync_> enleth: it should not matter much
[12:14:50] <DRGray> new end mills are here!
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[12:43:13] <_methods> well that was fast
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[12:53:30] <lair82> Good Morning Guys, Whta is the best way to diagnose a memory leak? I posted a question on the forum about one of my controls that gradually gets slower and then finally freezes up, and it was mentioned that I may a memory leak.
[12:55:08] <_methods> you could watch top
[12:55:24] <Tom_itx> i would start by reseating all the boards & connectors and run the lcnc memory test
[12:56:00] <Sync_> that would not help at all
[12:56:31] <_methods> yes it would
[12:56:33] <_methods> top -b -n 1
[12:57:06] <_methods> or ps aux
[12:57:19] <_methods> there are a number of ways to skin this cat
[12:57:32] <_methods> but that would not help at all is not one of them
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[12:58:31] <_methods> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/dapper/man1/memprof.1.html
[12:58:38] <_methods> not sure if that is in debian by default
[12:58:55] <_methods> https://packages.debian.org/sid/python/python-memprof
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[13:23:47] <archivist> memory fault != memory leak
[13:24:07] * archivist points at valgrind
[13:28:12] <Sync_> that is what I was getting at
[13:29:50] <lair82> Will LinuxCNC still perform without issue? They run that machine all day every day, and I just found out that this is a recurring problem, so I would like to try to get this fixed asap, but need to be able to do it while they are running.
[13:30:08] <lair82> I mean while memprof is running?
[13:30:25] <Sync_> you should not do that
[13:30:34] <Sync_> it will probably work, but I'd not trust it
[13:30:49] <lair82> I saw valgrind, but it said it could slow the system down considerably
[13:33:27] <Sync_> it will do that
[13:34:54] <archivist> what else are they running on the machine?
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[13:37:49] <lair82> Nothing, just Linuxcnc, and I have Sbackup set up, to backup to my pc in the office so as not to lose anything in the event of a bigger issue.
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[13:39:56] <lair82> But that is the same scenario for the other 2 ubuntu machines, carbon copy MB's, CPU's, Memory, programs, everything.
[13:40:08] <archivist> lair82, a memory leak is a bug
[13:41:09] <lair82> I have used top before, but this occurs over the course of a whole day, would memprof be better?
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[13:41:36] <archivist> top or similar to make a record
[13:41:40] <_methods> you can use ps aux too with a little script to log usage to a file
[13:41:51] <lair82> I see memtest86+ is on the system, would that work?
[13:41:58] <archivist> no
[13:42:03] <lair82> OK
[13:42:25] <archivist> memtest is hardware testing not memory leaks which are software
[13:42:38] <lair82> Never used scripts before, so not to sure about ps aux
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[13:43:02] <lair82> I was kinda figuring that with memtest, but figured I better ask
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[13:46:51] <lair82> _methods, going back to https://packages.debian.org/sid/python/python-memprof , what is the proper way of adding that to synaptic, and loading it to my system, I have always had troubles loading programs that aren't already part of the ubuntu system.
[13:47:38] <_methods> yeah i don't think it's in the wheezy repos
[13:47:49] <_methods> are you on wheezy?
[13:48:42] <_methods> i think that version may only be for python objects though
[13:49:23] <lair82> No, this is on a Ubuntu 10.04 machine
[13:49:32] <_methods> oh
[13:49:35] <lair82> Running 2.6.3
[13:49:39] <_methods> did you try apt-get install memprof?
[13:49:57] <_methods> it might actually be in the ubuntu repos
[13:50:17] <lair82> No, but I will try it right now on my test pc, it's not listed in synaptic
[13:50:33] <_methods> ah yeah looks like it got added in 12.04
[13:50:51] <lair82> Do I run that as sudo?
[13:51:04] <_methods> what?
[13:51:20] <lair82> sudo apt-get install memprof
[13:51:35] <_methods> oh that wont' work
[13:51:50] <_methods> pretty sure it's not in the 10.04 repos
[13:52:18] <lair82> So I need to add it to the software sources?
[13:52:20] <_methods> but you can try it with sudo
[13:53:41] <archivist> past end of live on 10.04
[13:53:47] <_methods> yeah
[13:54:31] <archivist> I think it is rude to stop the updates
[13:55:17] <lair82> I know I need to update, but they can't get off the machine long enough to let me update it
[13:55:39] <_methods> and this ram leak just started recently?
[13:56:04] <Sync_> lair82: just prepare another machine and then swap it out?
[13:57:58] <lair82> No it has been going on for a while, I thought it was random, once a month, but after talking to the new operator on the machine, it is a couple times a week, the old operator was kinda lazy, so he saw it as a way to kill some time restarting ubuntu, re-homing the machine, starting all over again
[14:00:15] <Sync_> hmm
[14:00:23] <lair82> The problem is, I favor Ubuntu a lot more than debian, it interfaced almost seemlessly with out windows server, I haven't had problems trying to install other programs like I do on the wheezy machine I do have running
[14:00:44] <lair82> with our, not "out"
[14:01:59] <lair82> I have tried numerous times to get sbackup working on my wheezy machine, no luck. It took about 3 minutes on each of my ubuntu machines, and now every monday at 4am, they are backing up to my pc.
[14:02:42] <lair82> I still see wireless networking issues from time to time on the wheezy machine also. I just work around them.
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[14:09:06] <_methods> http://pastebin.com/1ZjrxFAJ
[14:09:19] <_methods> that's a little script that will record ps aux every 60 sec
[14:09:26] <_methods> you may not want to run it that frequently
[14:09:40] <_methods> maybe every couple hours or whatever you want
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[14:10:04] <_methods> then you can record and see what is using the ram over a period of time
[14:11:12] <_methods> just change the sleep time to whatever interval you want to run it
[14:11:45] <lair82> Ok, how do I run that?
[14:12:30] <lair82> That number is in seconds, so If I change it to 180, that would be every three minutes correct
[14:12:35] <_methods> yeah
[14:13:12] <_methods> have you ever made a bash script before?
[14:13:31] <_methods> customer here one sec
[14:13:54] <lair82> No problem, and no, I have never messed with a bash script
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[15:10:06] <pcw_home> what LinuxCNC GUI are you running? I have had axis up for years and it does not seem to leak memory
[15:10:23] <lair82> This machine is using gmoccapy
[15:13:11] <alibama> hey folks - i’m getting the mx3660 3 axis controller, and I’ve got a 40vdc 10a power supply…. by my reading of the specs this should be ok “20-60 VDC supply voltage & Output current from 1.45 to 6.0A per axis” it won’t have maximum power, but that just means it’ll be a bit slow? first time builder here - appreciate it :)
[15:14:50] <lair82> Where do I put that bash script after I save it?
[15:14:57] <archivist> having a supply too small may cut out/fuse/go into current limit
[15:15:30] <archivist> lair82, home directory and then make it executable
[15:16:03] <archivist> then run it with ./scriptname
[15:17:23] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: I just got that solvent dye yesterday and tried it out... it seems to not be coating the part very evenly for some reason. When dunking it in the dye do I need to get all the water off or something?
[15:17:36] <CaptHindsight> lair82: as a tangent to your discussion, did you modify gmoccapy for your application?
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[15:18:08] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: yes, water and solvent don't mix
[15:18:13] <lair82> Its working on my testpc, thanks,
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[15:18:34] <tiwake> how do you get the water off then? blow it off with shop air?
[15:19:04] <lair82> CaptHindsight, the only thing I modified was the time/date format on the GUI.
[15:19:10] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: dry heat works well
[15:19:17] <Sync_> iirc there was a memleak in gmoccapy
[15:19:19] <tiwake> when I dunked the parts, it gave me kind of a marbled look
[15:19:28] <tiwake> kind of interesting texture actually
[15:19:58] <lair82> Sync_ thats good to know, I have 4 machines using Gmoccapy
[15:20:06] <lair82> :(
[15:20:37] <Sync_> just update them
[15:20:57] <archivist> lair82, google gmoccapy memory leak you will find it has history
[15:20:59] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: be careful with the dye, it's flammable and it hard to get off skin
[15:21:08] <tiwake> yeah
[15:21:46] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: you have a very fast drying ink, so beware
[15:22:25] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: would the sealing process go smoother if it was in a pressure cooker?
[15:22:40] <tiwake> (not that I'm going to try it...)
[15:23:02] <gregcnc> alibama mx3660 has several settings for motor current, set it so it doesn't overload the supply. Of course if the motors are rated at higher current they won't make full torque.
[15:24:32] <alibama> gregcnc: thanks - the power supply is pretty nice - variable volt variable amp so I guess i need to dial it in for the little steppers - it’s a sherline, which i think has relatively tiny motors compared to most of the setups i see on the list
[15:25:56] <gregcnc> check the motor specs for current
[15:27:24] <alibama> gregcnc: cool - i’m going to start settup tonight - i”ll get back on here when i’ve got the numbers in front of me - thank you again for your time.. I’ve been meaning to get this done for ages and finally got a couple bucks to get parts and such :)
[15:28:57] <tiwake> anyone know of any good jobs in texas? :P
[15:29:17] <tiwake> going to start gearing up to move to texas somewhere
[15:29:25] <tiwake> no idea where yet
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[15:30:49] <maxcnc> hi folks
[15:30:57] <CaptHindsight> poor use of camo on a car http://goo.gl/XPydV3
[15:31:00] <alibama> aloha maxcnc
[15:31:22] <maxcnc> hi and did you check all the CAD CAM
[15:31:38] <alibama> maxcnc: spent hours on it last night… getting ready to hook things up this afternoon
[15:31:59] <maxcnc> so first bit brake this night
[15:32:04] <alibama> :)
[15:32:19] <maxcnc> depends on you
[15:32:19] <alibama> i got a 12 pack to start with - and lots of styrofoam board
[15:33:03] <maxcnc> the blocks are wood or you present yeseterday
[15:34:38] <maxcnc> lair82: stil here
[15:34:39] <alibama> oh yeah - but i’m not going to start with that…. do a couple test cuts in styrofoam tonight to see what happens
[15:35:30] <alibama> then destroy some bits, maybe drill in to the base… all good things :)
[15:35:43] <maxcnc> agree on that
[15:36:03] <maxcnc> starting with pocket rrouphing is always a good thing
[15:36:30] <maxcnc> do you got a stl from a test part
[15:37:01] <maxcnc> alibama: you taking about tiny steppers what size are they on the sherline
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[15:37:49] <alibama> maxcnc: not sure - I’m at the pesky day job until about 4:30 eastern time usa… then over to the shop for fun until ~10pm
[15:38:07] <alibama> i don’t have the specs in front of me
[15:38:21] <maxcnc> no problem
[15:41:08] <maxcnc> so you got a all in one driver i see
[15:41:46] <maxcnc> is it a set from the bay
[15:46:21] <maxcnc> im off till later
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[15:47:12] <alibama> whoops - just saw that… yeah - i got the all-in-one… actually that’s the limiting reagent as it’ll be a few days before it gets here
[15:51:12] <enleth> DRGray: have you tested the new tools yet?
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[15:52:35] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: oil baron, ranger, bbq king....
[15:53:04] <tiwake> bbq king?
[15:53:28] <tiwake> you mean burger king?
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[15:53:59] <gregcnc> no way, pro BBQ circuit
[15:55:08] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: tired of living in the US? :)
[15:55:50] <_methods> he's scared of all the winning that's about to happen
[15:55:56] <tiwake> what no... lol... I cant own my guns in any other country :P
[15:55:57] <gregcnc> build your self one of these and get ready to WIN http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/tx/TXBREbbq_valerie2_620x300.jpg
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[15:56:26] <_methods> now that's bbq
[15:56:34] <tiwake> well, not legally anyway
[15:57:02] <gregcnc> are aluminum air rifle stocks a thing?
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[15:57:25] <_methods> highly polished stocks
[15:57:26] <DaViruz> sure
[15:57:31] <_methods> to give away your position lol
[15:57:39] <_methods> and freeze your face off
[15:57:43] <_methods> in the cold
[15:57:49] <DaViruz> lot's of competition stuff is full of aluminium
[15:58:09] <DaViruz> http://www.feinwerkbau.de/ceasy/modules/core/resources/main.php5?view=publish&item=resource&id=1475&width=650&height=324&withMagnifier=1
[15:58:42] <CaptHindsight> old joke about Texas: 2nd Prize is 2 weeks with all expenses paid in Texas, 1st Prize one week all expenses paid in Texas
[15:59:01] <_methods> now this is GENIUS
[15:59:03] <_methods> http://biemspray.com/
[15:59:25] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: I don't get it
[15:59:28] <gregcnc> this is what I saw https://www.instagram.com/p/BCqj6ZdCTOe/
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[16:00:18] <_methods> on command butter
[16:04:14] <gregcnc> 170USD for butter you have to charge? grease gun with a spray nozzle
[16:04:14] <Jymmm> BUTTER my toast, I command you!
[16:04:25] <_methods> hahah
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[16:09:25] <_methods> now they need to make a bacon sprayer
[16:10:19] <CaptHindsight> https://www.vetinternetco.com/bacon-spray-flavored-dog-food-spray-2-oz?gclid=CPiWqIS9scsCFVEWHwodkcYOIQ
[16:10:26] <_methods> hot damn
[16:10:30] <_methods> my life is complete
[16:10:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.stupid.com/bacon-air-freshener-spray.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&k=BACSPRY&gclid=CMeI6Yu9scsCFYaQHwodrrwElg
[16:11:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.baconfreak.com/boss-hogs-bacon-fragrance-spray.html?gclid=CID04Zm9scsCFY2QHwodxaUIEQ
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[16:11:31] <CaptHindsight> and before you ask http://www.incrediblethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/bacon-deodorant-power.jpg
[16:12:05] <CaptHindsight> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HpXYX49VbXo/TZZ880TejAI/AAAAAAAABqM/phvDmzDIleQ/s1600/BaconInhaler.jpg
[16:14:30] <_methods> this is the future
[16:15:24] <CaptHindsight> would you grow your own bacon?
[16:15:43] <Jymmm> You and your canned bacon, pfff! (poser)
[16:15:45] <_methods> didn't we cover this yesterday
[16:15:53] <_methods> those human snacks
[16:15:56] <_methods> they were growing
[16:16:02] <Jymmm> Bacon burger.. http://p1.picturic.com/images/listing/09072015/1436472516_6011415954/1436472517_429185_226.jpg
[16:16:13] <gregcnc> http://www.paddylongs.com/
[16:16:19] <_methods> omb
[16:16:45] <_methods> wtf
[16:16:49] <_methods> free bacon with beer
[16:16:58] <_methods> that's beautiful
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[16:17:42] <CaptHindsight> right around the corner from Delilahs
[16:17:46] <Jymmm> A light bacon snack http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/16800000/demotivationals-random-16843974-492-454.jpg
[16:17:50] <_methods> damn next time i'm in chicago i'm goin there
[16:21:07] <Jymmm> Bacon Nirvana Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugIDfvUpcwY&feature=youtu.be
[16:21:34] <CaptHindsight> _methods: not big on kale?
[16:22:07] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Kale is awesome, it hides the ice in the salad bar
[16:22:59] <_methods> kale?
[16:23:04] <_methods> i like kale why?
[16:24:22] <CaptHindsight> I guess "free sprig of kale with every beer after 11" didn't go over as well
[16:25:12] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Only with the girls, but they were full after one bite.
[16:25:35] <CaptHindsight> light beer
[16:27:18] <Jymmm> Oh, he's abusing the BK "How it your way" slogan/policy... There was bacon (above) and now 100 slices of onion... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjrjQ6zlW6I
[16:27:25] <Jymmm> Have*
[16:27:52] <_methods> you mean the hot dog people
[16:27:53] <_methods> lol
[16:29:05] <_methods> omg we're finally getting fiber here
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[16:29:48] <_methods> been stuck with dsl here forever now
[16:29:49] <Jymmm> Hey, the bun is fiber.... right?
[16:30:02] <_methods> and the node is so full they won't even let us get a 2nd dsl line
[16:30:30] <Jymmm> _methods: faster pr0n?
[16:30:34] <_methods> amen
[16:30:52] <lair82> maxcnc just got back, whats up
[16:31:06] <_methods> you mean instant kardashian twitter feeds
[16:31:08] <_methods> lol
[16:31:17] <Jymmm> Oh man, the soup he made actually looks good
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[16:31:50] <lair82> _methods, I got that script running, see what it looks like later on. Thank by the way for writing that up.
[16:32:16] <_methods> np i just copied it from somewhere else on teh internetz
[16:32:46] <lair82> I see, well anyway, it works :)
[16:33:17] <_methods> you should be able to grep out of it whatever info you want
[16:33:26] <_methods> it will be a lot of data though
[16:33:31] <lair82> Can I ssh into that machine, and look at that file from in my office?
[16:33:36] <_methods> sure
[16:33:48] <_methods> you can also -tail it
[16:33:55] <_methods> and watch it over ssh if you want
[16:33:56] <lair82> I set it up on my office computer, and looked at it, it is a lot of data
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[16:34:53] <Jymmm> lair82: If you are going to open up ssh to the internets, toss it on a high oddball port
[16:35:48] <Jymmm> by 'high' I mean something between 10000 and 65000
[16:36:11] <archivist> lair82, did you see what I said? gmoccapy did have memory leaks
[16:37:29] <lair82> I did see some stuff about gmoccapy having memory leaks, I never saw anything about them getting resolved though.
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[16:37:42] <lair82> Jymmm ????
[16:37:53] <lair82> Instead of "22"
[16:38:01] <archivist> lair82, I see a fix being applied
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[16:38:33] <lair82> Is there any way to figure out the IP of that machine, without being at that machine?
[16:39:12] <lair82> archivist, Like in the next update?
[16:39:19] <_methods> you might be able to swag it with nmap
[16:39:36] <_methods> or look at your router's ip tables
[16:40:09] <_methods> if you have access to your router config
[16:40:13] <archivist> lair82, 2.6.6
[16:40:48] <lair82> I can just as easily go out and look at it, I will have to wait about 20 mins, for them to go to lunch
[16:40:55] <_methods> just depends on how well you know the ip's on your network
[16:41:28] <_methods> if i don't know the exact ip of something on my network i can usually "guess" at it from the nmap results
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[16:41:50] <archivist> lair82, I only looked at the google page no deeper
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[16:42:42] <archivist> lair82, has the machine got a xhc-hb04 remote?
[16:43:12] <Jymmm> lair82: correct, common ports are scanned like crazy. high unused ports are less prone to attack
[16:43:20] <lair82> NO it does not, that is the only mem leak I see fixed
[16:43:23] <CaptHindsight> run wireshak, install windowsanything, connect to net, see all open ports in minutes
[16:43:37] <Jymmm> s/minutes/seconds/
[16:44:11] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: but most don't scan 65000 ports when looking for victims
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[16:44:48] <Jymmm> _methods: Just for you... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkqeiKradak
[16:45:49] <CaptHindsight> todays top firewall hits: port 23, port 55525, port 9750
[16:46:33] <_methods> Jymmm: wtf
[16:46:41] <lair82> Yeah, WTF
[16:46:47] <Jymmm> _methods: "It's tasty!!!"
[16:47:23] <_methods> the first white castle
[16:47:28] <lair82> I love a good burger, that was just F#&*@# UP!!!!!
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[16:57:57] <Jymmm> lair82: Install this http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/
[17:04:41] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: have you been out? almost 70!
[17:05:12] <gregcnc> yes, it's wonderful out there. I may have to go out for lunch
[17:07:14] <robin_sz> so, pncconf
[17:07:56] <robin_sz> setting the spindle speed range, it seems I can select a maximum of 10,000 rpm
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[17:08:44] <robin_sz> which is a bit on the low side for my 24k rpm spindle
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[17:13:27] <CaptHindsight> robin_sz: you can edit the configs by hand
[17:13:43] <robin_sz> this I know
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[17:14:23] <robin_sz> but I still have an amount of messing with io to do which is way easier through PNCCONF
[17:14:31] <lair82> Why would it keep telling me permission denied when I try to enter the password?
[17:14:57] <robin_sz> lair82 cuple of options there
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[17:15:07] <CaptHindsight> wrong password?
[17:15:26] <robin_sz> 1) linux just broke a key component that has worked for years
[17:15:33] <robin_sz> 2) wrong password
[17:16:07] <CaptHindsight> wrong user name
[17:16:19] <cradek> lair82: be sure to read the screen to see if it's asking for your username or password. the user interface is terrible and it trips up people a lot
[17:16:19] <robin_sz> ooh good catch
[17:16:30] <cradek> so yeah, in summary I think it's robin_sz's #1
[17:16:32] <CaptHindsight> don't have permissions even if password and user are correct
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[17:17:59] <cradek> in particular, if you mistype your name, it will keep asking you for passwords forever until you USE THE MOUSE to cancel it
[17:18:02] <lair82> To access it I just need to run "ssh (ip address)" correct?
[17:18:12] <CaptHindsight> I had a user contact me every few weeks asking what the password was for the Linuxcnc system
[17:18:22] <CaptHindsight> he was used to windows
[17:18:48] <cradek> oh you are trying to ssh? I figured it was the X login.
[17:18:56] <CaptHindsight> so he kept only entering in the password vs user and password
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[17:19:57] <robin_sz> pesky users
[17:20:35] <lair82> I just got into it on my windows computer using Putty, and it is working Ok (the password)
[17:21:31] <robin_sz> well, there you go then
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[17:28:21] <robin_sz> so where on the disk do the various HAL files hide for things like my pendant ... im sure there used to be doc directry wfull of this stuff
[17:29:33] <robin_sz> or /usr/local/share or some such
[17:33:50] <robin_sz> so where do all the sample configs live on disk?
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[17:56:27] <lair82> So how would I open the mem_usage file, going through putty, on my windows computer to look at it?
[17:59:25] <Jymmm> lair82: for editing or just viewing?
[17:59:33] <lair82> just viewing
[18:00:04] <Jymmm> you can use more or less (no pun intended).... more /path/to/filename
[18:00:44] <Jymmm> If you just want the last few lines of a file... tail /path/to/filename
[18:01:28] <archivist> cat,less
[18:01:49] <archivist> less is more than more :)
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[18:02:07] <lair82> I am in the tmp directory looking at the file,
[18:02:41] <archivist> I cannot remember the last time I used more
[18:02:50] <lair82> But I need to run something like "gedit mem_usage" to open it don't I?
[18:03:11] <archivist> no, less file
[18:03:21] <archivist> cat file
[18:03:21] <Jymmm> could use top I guess
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[18:06:19] <maxcnc> Hi
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[18:08:05] <maxcnc> robin_sz: why dont you just install the sample you need
[18:08:26] <maxcnc> insted of copying it from disk
[18:08:26] <Jymmm> Gotta love FF... http://codepad.org/VclU8DYy
[18:09:19] <Jymmm> (page faults)
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[18:16:25] <lair82> OK Guys, finally got in, and am tailing the file, what should I look for to signify a memory leak
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[18:25:21] <lair82> Here is what I see regarding Gmoccapy, 1000 1624 18.1 2.6 176724 67168 ? Sl Mar07 251:44 /usr/bin/python /home/cinci12mo/linuxcnc-dev/bin/gmoccapy -ini /home/cinci12mo/linuxcnc/configs/MEANGREEN.ini
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[18:27:16] <archivist> look over time see if one of the numbers is increasing
[18:27:25] <_methods> you should see the ram usage increasing over time
[18:28:04] <evil_ren> why is your config file yelling
[18:28:18] <evil_ren> oh duh i guess because mean
[18:28:34] <_methods> man don't install the newest nvidia drivers if you use multimonitors
[18:30:28] <_methods> just spent the last hour tryin to figure out wtf happened to my computer and rollin drivers back
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[18:31:09] <lair82> archivist, the %MEM column has stayed at 2.6, but the VSV and RSS columns have been going up and down, and they are drastically higher than anything else on that machine, regarding gmoccapy
[18:31:48] <maxcnc> lair82: did you check if there is no left ko file for lcnc as it is closed and restarted
[18:32:10] <maxcnc> i got this problem somthimes if i close lcnc by X cross in the frame
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[18:32:25] <maxcnc> then the men leaks
[18:32:43] <maxcnc> xubuntu 8.04 emc2.3.5
[18:33:07] <maxcnc> it got only 256 ram
[18:34:18] <maxcnc> i need also to be shure to got the systemclock in the right year otherwise the lcnc is not coming up
[18:34:35] <lair82> where is the ko file?
[18:36:08] <archivist> lair82, is this a machine with small memory?
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[18:38:57] <lair82> No, It's at least 8GB
[18:42:48] <maxcnc> lair82: look in lsmod if there is a rtai started if no linuxcnc i runing
[18:43:44] <maxcnc> but i guess you are on wheezy 3. with a 8gb system
[18:44:00] <lair82> No, ubuntu 10.04
[18:44:11] <maxcnc> i never got a new lcnc installed staying on 10.04
[18:44:29] <lair82> There is just 8gb of physical memory stuffed into the MB
[18:44:31] <maxcnc> 10.04 does only ecept 4gb
[18:44:37] <lair82> True
[18:45:52] <maxcnc> did you tell the system i guess 122 that thre is more inside
[18:47:17] <maxcnc> by top -> shift+f -> n -< enter
[18:53:17] <maxcnc> lair82: did you check the /etc/sysctl.conf
[18:53:48] <maxcnc> for the swap usige so it dont accord the outstanding mem
[18:54:01] <maxcnc> vm.swappiness = 10
[18:54:33] <maxcnc> if it is 60 that detacts above 4gb
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[18:55:46] <maxcnc> im off Gn8
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[19:00:43] <lair82> I will have to look at the swap, I remember membiblio telling me about that before. Is there any way to open a file for editing purposes through ssh?
[19:01:44] <OdinYggd> nano/vi/emacs?
[19:02:09] <OdinYggd> Though that just shows you text, might not be any use
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[19:04:35] <OdinYggd> Anyone here familiar with a method of going from a gcode toolpath back into a usable .step file? I've got an oddball geometry that I can describe the tool path required to produce it and the tooling required, but have no easy way to model it
[19:05:30] <OdinYggd> While it is plenty possible for me to just machine the thing and then use a CMM to scan a pointcloud off of it for a model, it would be faster to just simulate the gcode and machine an extrusion in software to get the finished shape back
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[19:16:47] <cpresser> OdinYggd: i am not aware of any free software that does this kind of job
[19:17:11] <cpresser> OdinYggd: there are 'simulators', they produce voxels. but no real geometry
[19:17:22] <lair82> I will have to look at the swap, I remember membiblio telling me about that before. Is there any way to open a file for editing purposes through ssh?
[19:17:50] <lair82> Oooops, just double posted
[19:22:06] <robin_sz> lair82, just ssh to the box .. open the file in an editor
[19:22:13] <robin_sz> like vim
[19:22:59] <robin_sz> so just type vim <filename> and edit away
[19:23:46] <robin_sz> I only ever use vim for editing on a terminal, but there are other ways
[19:34:49] <_methods> lair82: nano might be easier for you to use at first
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[19:57:41] <FinboySlick> _methods: Stop spreading heresy.
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[19:59:56] <OdinYggd> Nothing wrong with nano. I personally think vim overcomplicates things.
[20:00:10] <OdinYggd> Its nice to be able to scroll to the line I want, make my change, save and quit move on
[20:00:17] <FinboySlick> There is a brilliant reason behind that complexity.
[20:00:38] <FinboySlick> ... POWAH!
[20:00:41] <OdinYggd> What would that be? Cause it always seemed to me like childproofing, and annoyed me enough that I only use vim when no alternatives are installed
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[20:02:35] <FinboySlick> It's a bit more like a text-editing language than just an editor.
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[20:03:18] <OdinYggd> So at that point I would have to write a program to let me edit the source code for the program I am writing.
[20:03:31] <FinboySlick> You can verbalize things like: "Find me every word that look like foo-999 and replace them by hex(999)_foo"
[20:05:17] <FinboySlick> It *is* fairly arcane (though incredibly well documented if you bother to read it). But you can give it instructions like this in just a few keystrokes.
[20:15:54] <_methods> FinboySlick: yeah sorry i wouldn't recommend nano under normal circumstances
[20:16:20] <_methods> but lair82 has enough on his hands without vi tribulations lol
[20:16:44] <FinboySlick> _methods: This is how you sort the boys from the hairy manly men!
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[20:17:11] <_methods> well once he sorts this out we can bust his balls about vi hehe
[20:17:44] <_methods> or should i say lack of vi
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[20:18:00] <FinboySlick> _methods: Could be worse, he could be lathe-less.
[20:18:10] <_methods> hahahah
[20:18:10] <Sync_> ^
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[20:18:20] <_methods> poor pete
[20:19:58] <OdinYggd> On that note what do you guys usually use for controllers?
[20:20:17] <OdinYggd> I'm used to the mass produced getups with Mitsubishi or Baldor servo amplifiers and closed loop servos
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[20:57:37] <gene_> Alex, are you a tool table expert
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[21:33:03] <hatch789> anyone alive in here today?
[21:33:22] <hatch789> I have an odd question about power supplies with my 7i43 board
[21:34:00] <cradek> hi, always just go ahead and ask your real question
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[21:38:12] <hatch789> ok so my Mill has X & Y ...it's an old Tree Journeyman 200R. Worked perfectly for years on an external power supply. I decided I wanted to eliminate the power supply yesterday so verified with Peter at mesanet and he said it would be fine to use the USB power on the computer.
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[21:38:25] <hatch789> My pc is connected to my 7i43 board via Parallel Port
[21:38:54] <OdinYggd> What are the ratings on the power supply?
[21:39:06] <hatch789> so now I cut a USB cable open to expose the red/black 5v legs. Measured them ...they are great 5.05v so no problem there. I attach these to the 7i43 board same way as I used to have the old isolated power supply
[21:39:33] <hatch789> ratings? it's a regular computer so it's power supply is internal. 400 watt probably
[21:39:58] <OdinYggd> The supply you were using though
[21:40:04] <hatch789> so when I turn on my 7i43 board and then activate my servo drives, they start running at a slow speed both x & y
[21:40:16] <hatch789> the old was was like 250 watts just a computer PSU
[21:40:22] <OdinYggd> Ah
[21:40:39] <hatch789> it was just a pain having it there for a few hundred mA's that my 7i43 board needed
[21:41:12] <hatch789> so without even starting LinuxCNC my servos now move in a direction ...I think this has to do with ground sharing for the parallel port but I am not sure
[21:41:21] <hatch789> ideas are welcome. LOL
[21:42:32] <OdinYggd> Could be a ground loop yes.
[21:42:53] <hatch789> I don't know if there's an easy way for me to see my pin voltages on the signal ...but I bet I'm getting a slight + or - signal on the signal pin now that it shares ground with the parallel port (for some reason). Hence driving the servos with a false minimal voltage
[21:43:59] <hatch789> is there any way to re-adjust the signal to 0 volts on the 7i49 board? I think that's the one driving my servos
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[22:07:03] <hatch789> anyone know who might have the knowledge I need to answer my question?
[22:09:30] <Deejay> gn8
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[23:02:48] <PCW> Ahh 7I49. no way you can power that from a USB connection
[23:02:49] <PCW> probably have to steal it from a disk drive connector
[23:03:00] <PCW> (steal 5V)
[23:06:47] <andypugh> Do you sell many 7i49s? I know you have sold at least two, as I have them, but I wonder how many other resolver enthusiasts there are out there
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[23:10:40] <andypugh> Todays wacky setup: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lZnLAT5N4ms/Vt9bjTjOiEI/AAAAAAAAGX8/TYg98UnwEUY/s1024-Ic42/IMG_2408.jpg
[23:12:20] <andypugh> (drilloing a hole to lead a limit switch cable uop and over the lathe bed)
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[23:24:22] <Tom_itx> how did you get it started without wandering all over the place?
[23:25:24] <andypugh> I started with an oversized endmill to make a flat surface at the correct angle.
[23:26:17] <andypugh> You can sort-of see it here: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rniEHSKbBag/Vt9bkUAuY2I/AAAAAAAAGYI/lfzqp7SbCg0/s1024-Ic42/IMG_2410.jpg
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[23:41:27] <zeeshan> nice andy
[23:41:58] <zeeshan> is that a lathe saddle
[23:42:00] <zeeshan> looks like it
[23:55:20] <andypugh> Yes, it’s the saddle for the Holbrook lathe
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