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[00:07:56] <Erant> Here's a dumb question
[00:08:07] <JT-Shop> give it your best shot
[00:08:27] <Erant> If I take one of those cheapy mist coolant systems (
http://www.banggood.com/Mist-Coolant-Lubrication-Spray-System-Metal-Cutting-Engraving-Machine-Cooling-Sprayer-p-987371.html) and pressurize the coolant input...
[00:08:33] <Erant> Does that turn it into a fogless system?
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[00:09:11] <JT-Shop> sorry not a dumb question
[00:09:18] <andypugh> It might turn it into a pile of cheapy parts…
[00:09:25] <zeeshan> eramt
[00:09:29] <zeeshan> the noga mini coolant isnt a lot of money
[00:09:31] <zeeshan> i think 60bux
[00:10:13] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NOGA-Mini-Cool-Single-Nozzle-Cutting-Fluid-Applicator-/231533487215
[00:10:14] <andypugh> I like the smell of coolant.
[00:10:24] <Erant> zeeshan: Probably going for that one anyway.
[00:10:34] <Erant> My problem's not so much with the fog, I can deal with that.
[00:10:41] <Erant> It seems like the fogless ones require less air
[00:10:52] <JT-Shop> noga is a nice looking unit
[00:11:02] <zeeshan> erant: watch my vid
[00:11:04] <zeeshan> https://youtu.be/xRHUCp4D8UU?t=118
[00:11:12] <zeeshan> i try to explain in it
[00:11:19] <Erant> And I haven't verified this, but there's a distinct possibility that both my mill and my compressor are going to be on the same breaker.
[00:12:05] <Erant> zeeshan: Oooh. thank ya.
[00:12:07] * JT-Shop doesn't use coolant on the BP knee mill
[00:12:23] <Erant> JT-Shop: What do you do for chip evacuation?
[00:12:28] <Erant> That's 99% of my concern.
[00:12:32] * JT-Shop looks to see what zeeshan does
[00:12:43] <Erant> I also don't like hot steel chips, but eh.
[00:12:47] <JT-Shop> chip brush
[00:12:54] <zeeshan> erant if it doesnt make sens
[00:12:57] <zeeshan> i got a cad model
[00:13:08] <zeeshan> jt i do what? :D
[00:13:21] <JT-Shop> that your vid?
[00:13:34] <zeeshan> ya
[00:14:00] <JT-Shop> watching it but you have a funny accent hehe
[00:14:04] <zeeshan> haha
[00:14:10] <zeeshan> says the guy from the south :P
[00:14:12] * zeeshan hides
[00:14:43] <JT-Shop> hey I was born on the Aleutian islands
[00:14:54] <Erant> zeeshan: Yeah, makes sense. I'm just curious what's different about the guts of the NOGA compared to el cheapo Chinese thingy
[00:15:03] <zeeshan> erant prolly better nozzle
[00:15:04] <zeeshan> and better valve
[00:15:12] <zeeshan> i cant give you the links right now
[00:15:15] <zeeshan> but i readddddddddd a lot
[00:15:17] <zeeshan> till i settled on the noga
[00:15:23] <zeeshan> dont even bother with fog buster
[00:15:28] <zeeshan> overpriced
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[00:15:34] <Erant> What about the kool mist stuff?
[00:15:38] <zeeshan> also overpriced
[00:15:50] <Sync> and you don't want oil aerosol
[00:16:02] <Erant> But it lubricates your lungs!
[00:16:05] <Erant> Allows you to breathe better
[00:16:11] <zeeshan> i didnt know this
[00:16:17] <zeeshan> well i knew it was bad
[00:16:19] <zeeshan> but ididnt know this:
[00:16:26] <zeeshan> if you breathe in air compressor w/ oil air
[00:16:32] <zeeshan> you will die for sure
[00:16:35] <andypugh> My compressor probably wouldn’t run a mister. I use low-pressure flood. It seems to work fine. I might be re-cutting chips a lot, but it doesn’t seem to be a disaster. I certainly have no problems with build-up on the tool like I used to get with the old no-coolant mill.
[00:16:38] <zeeshan> its irreverssible death
[00:16:39] * JT-Shop likes the way zeeshan used jacks to support the material
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[00:16:51] <zeeshan> jt haha
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[00:17:09] <Erant> andypugh: Well, so that's what I was considering as an alternative. Flood.
[00:17:10] <JT-Shop> I use a vacuum to evacuate the chips
[00:17:13] <zeeshan> andypugh: can you do this:
[00:17:21] <zeeshan> (sorry im proud of this video haha)
[00:17:27] <andypugh> zeeshan: The bad news is that even without breathing oil you have a 95% chance of dying
[00:17:36] <JT-Shop> lol
[00:17:38] <Erant> JT-Shop: I owe gregcnc an attempt at doing that. I have a shopvac right next to the mill
[00:17:49] <zeeshan> https://youtu.be/70rd9fK-UGg?t=67
[00:17:51] <zeeshan> watch andy
[00:17:52] <zeeshan> !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:17:55] <zeeshan> mist ftw!!
[00:18:09] <andypugh> (That 95% is accurate, 5% of all the people _who_have_ever_lived_ are alive today.
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[00:18:25] <Erant> zeeshan: Did you figure out the weird slowdown around the corners?
[00:18:33] <zeeshan> ya erant
[00:18:36] <zeeshan> sped up the accel values
[00:18:41] <Erant> hmmk
[00:18:41] <zeeshan> now i can do 140 ipm without jerkiness
[00:18:47] <zeeshan> still does it at 200
[00:18:54] <malcom2073> andypugh: Woudln't that mean you have a 95% chance of already being dead?
[00:18:54] <malcom2073> :P
[00:19:03] <Erant> You do ;)
[00:19:37] <zeeshan> has anyone tried cutting at 0.0015" deflection on a carbide tool
[00:20:20] <andypugh> malcom2073: Yes, you spotted a truly invalid extrapolation from stats. I like it as an example of stat mis-use. It is clearly nonsense to say that because 5% of people have never dies then you have a 5% chance of not dying.
[00:20:53] <andypugh> zeeshan: No, I can’t do that, because my spindle tops out at 1200rpm
[00:21:01] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/video/cannon/cannon.xhtml
[00:21:01] <malcom2073> andypugh: Is that your way of calling me a party pooper?
[00:21:28] <JT-Shop> theres some redneck for you
[00:21:29] <zeeshan> jt how much was your cannon
[00:21:32] <zeeshan> that thing is BAD ASS
[00:21:42] <zeeshan> shoot that at isis
[00:21:48] <JT-Shop> I think the barrel was $400 or so
[00:21:58] <Sync> just crank up the vfd andypugh
[00:22:12] <toastydeath> zeeshan, .0015 of active deflection, or runout?
[00:22:19] <andypugh> Sync: That’s why it is 1200 not the stock 1000rpm....
[00:22:26] <zeeshan> toastydeath: out of roundness on cylinder
[00:22:28] <toastydeath> I've cut .003" active deflection on a 1/8" carbide endmill
[00:22:31] <zeeshan> oh
[00:22:35] <zeeshan> we're talkin about machining now
[00:22:36] <JT-Shop> Ricky has the biggest bore cannon
[00:22:49] <zeeshan> jthornton: how much gun power does in the big bore cannon
[00:22:50] <Sync> well, you could probably do 100% more
[00:22:51] <JT-Shop> I did all the iron work on the cannons
[00:22:58] <toastydeath> .0015" on a 3/4" or larger endmill won't matter much, but it matters a lot on smaller ones
[00:23:07] <JT-Shop> 4oz F black powder
[00:23:10] <zeeshan> toastydeath: active deflection
[00:23:12] <JT-Shop> 3oz F in mine
[00:23:14] <zeeshan> on 3/8 end mill
[00:23:34] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I am offended by the profanity.
[00:23:38] <zeeshan> i know it wont break right away
[00:23:42] <JT-Shop> except for Ray
[00:23:43] <zeeshan> but i hear you get a nasty chatter
[00:23:48] <zeeshan> and it will suddnely go
[00:24:09] <JT-Shop> I should censor that but don't know how
[00:24:28] <Sync> kek
[00:24:29] <zeeshan> toastydeath: im limited to 3150 ipm and would like to cut steel at 100 ipm
[00:24:32] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Just powder or were there projectiles in there?
[00:24:35] <zeeshan> w/ high speed tool paths
[00:24:40] <zeeshan> but right now the math says im limited to 43ipm
[00:24:46] <zeeshan> to keep deflection below 0.0009"
[00:25:00] <Sync> I mean, they are cheap endmills, just crank it up
[00:25:02] <JT-Shop> we usually wad up a tin foil ball to provide back pressure
[00:25:07] <zeeshan> they arent!
[00:25:11] <zeeshan> theyre 35 bux a pop
[00:25:14] <toastydeath> what i'd reccomend is ignore deflection on roughing passes
[00:25:16] <JT-Shop> sometimes we shoot lead cannon balls
[00:25:25] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Seen this?
http://cannonsuperstore.com
[00:25:35] <JT-Shop> no
[00:25:36] <gregcnc> Unist has a video about their misters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP3glc4HoWg expensive however
[00:25:36] <toastydeath> deflection matters a *lot* more on shorter, stubby endmills. so if you have a small endmill that's got a long shank, don't worry.
[00:25:46] <toastydeath> if you have a short endmill that's wide, you may snap it
[00:26:03] <Sync> relatively cheap zeeshan
[00:26:08] <zeeshan> basically what im getting is...
[00:26:10] <zeeshan> "try it out"
[00:26:12] <zeeshan> till it breaks
[00:26:12] <zeeshan> haha
[00:26:13] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/cannon/cannon.xhtml
[00:26:16] <toastydeath> yuuup
[00:26:20] <toastydeath> tried and true method, unfortunately
[00:26:26] <Sync> well
[00:26:32] <Sync> volumill tells you this in the manual
[00:26:36] <gregcnc> if you're trying to determine just how much load you can getaway with before it breaks, yeah try it
[00:26:40] <Sync> "those values might sound insane
[00:26:48] <Sync> but in reality, you can go 4x as fast"
[00:27:19] <CaptHindsight> https://giphy.com/gifs/5oRcdrlCsUZgI dumb robot
[00:27:25] <zeeshan> i was told in class to awlays take the biggest possible doc
[00:27:33] <CaptHindsight> https://giphy.com/gifs/nYzOsSJ3HWd8s bullied robot
[00:27:42] <zeeshan> so thats what im trying to do w/ anything i machine
[00:27:44] <andypugh> JT-Shop: You want this one:
http://www.cannonsuperstore.com/vandenburggun.htm
[00:27:48] <zeeshan> (as long as its rigid)
[00:28:07] <CaptHindsight> https://giphy.com/gifs/xCAABgDhfCDNC
[00:28:11] <JT-Shop> andypugh: nice
[00:28:22] <JT-Shop> talk about duck hunting
[00:29:07] <Sync> zeeshan: that is what volumill tries
[00:29:42] <zeeshan> sync send me manual!
[00:29:43] <zeeshan> :P
[00:30:05] <Sync> won't help you without volumill
[00:31:29] * JT-Shop wanders inside...
[00:31:34] <zeeshan> looks like just hsm path
[00:31:37] <zeeshan> that volumill has
[00:32:36] <Sync> well, you give it the max doc you can get
[00:32:46] <Sync> and it will keep the chip thickness the same
[00:32:55] <Sync> so your machine does no texplode
[00:33:08] <Sync> and controls the engagement
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[00:45:30] <_methods> 110 years old
[00:45:32] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAUn3A4QtaI
[00:49:31] <Jymmm> I got a tub-o-tools today that has been sitting outside all winter. Use vinegar ???
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[00:51:53] <Sync> wat
[00:55:06] <malcom2073> Jymmm: evaporust
[00:55:41] <malcom2073> It's actually made for that
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[01:47:13] <jfindley> Damn this Aberlour is delicious.
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[01:57:16] <joem_> pink_vampire,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvlL8a7w94
[01:59:16] <malcom2073> joem_: That's awesome
[01:59:25] <malcom2073> What's it for?
[01:59:40] <joem_> flood tray for g0704 milling machine
[02:00:26] <joem_> i shouldn't have put neverwet on the plastic drain, lol
[02:00:30] <joem_> everywhere is fine, but
[02:00:51] <[cube]> neverwet doesnt work with oil based stuff (lubricants)
[02:00:56] <joem_> sure it does
[02:01:01] <joem_> oleophobic + hydrophobic
[02:01:08] <[cube]> duno
[02:01:10] <joem_> at least this stuff does
[02:01:12] <[cube]> i tried the same thing
[02:01:16] <[cube]> didnt work for me at all
[02:01:23] <[cube]> neverwet brand
[02:01:36] <joem_> which one?
[02:01:45] <[cube]> the dual spray
[02:01:52] <[cube]> not sure if the formula's changed...
[02:01:54] <malcom2073> Lol
[02:02:01] <[cube]> oil just just absorbed into it
[02:02:05] <joem_> the one from home depot was just a spray on, meant for fabrics n stuff, the one on amazon is 2 part spray on, then the one i got is their "industrial strength" stuff
[02:02:06] <[cube]> and it started peeling up
[02:02:11] <malcom2073> Be interesting to see how long that lasts
[02:02:13] <joem_> huh, interesting, what did you have under it?
[02:02:20] <[cube]> tremclad
[02:02:27] <[cube]> or nothing i thinkg
[02:02:33] <[cube]> mighta just been the fatory paint on the tray
[02:02:36] <joem_> interesting
[02:02:41] <[cube]> do a test..
[02:02:45] <[cube]> put some way oil on it
[02:02:50] <[cube]> you'll see what i mean
[02:03:11] <joem_> kk, moment
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[02:07:08] <joem_> yep yep
[02:07:13] <joem_> oleophobic my ass
[02:07:24] <[cube]> works or doesn't?
[02:07:33] <joem_> it cleans up ok, but it doesn't act like water at all
[02:07:38] <[cube]> yeah
[02:07:39] <joem_> doesn't buble up on the surface, etc
[02:07:47] <[cube]> i had a similar 'wtf' disappointment
[02:08:09] <joem_> underneath is the laxex based waterproof paint
[02:08:12] <[cube]> then i read more up on it
[02:08:14] <joem_> and then underneath that is the epoxy
[02:08:18] <[cube]> the coating isn't meant to last, even for water
[02:08:29] <joem_> no, i know it would require reapplication
[02:08:36] <[cube]> the hydrophobic stuff is the chalky substance
[02:08:42] <[cube]> and it get worn away quick
[02:08:49] <joem_> yeah, may not be worth it then
[02:08:54] <joem_> fun to play with :P
[02:08:57] <[cube]> heh yea
[02:09:00] <joem_> i put honey on it
[02:09:00] <[cube]> its good for other stuff
[02:09:03] <joem_> and blew the honey around
[02:09:06] <[cube]> lol
[02:09:20] <[cube]> might put some on my winter boots
[02:09:25] <[cube]> now that i think about it
[02:09:40] <joem_> yeah, i hear its good for that, also helps keep your car mats clean
[02:09:44] <joem_> (no snow on your boots)
[02:09:56] <[cube]> yeah
[02:10:06] <[cube]> what i wonder is whats in those tshirts they sell
[02:10:10] <[cube]> and how long those last
[02:10:11] <joem_> good for shovels, wheelbarrows, etc, when working with cement
[02:10:17] <[cube]> ah yea
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[02:13:43] <joem_> pink_vampire,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvlL8a7w94
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[03:05:58] <zeeshan> wait till you get hot chips on there
[03:05:59] <zeeshan> :)
[03:12:21] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I stuck a steel square in some vinegar, we'll see in the morning =)
[03:24:02] <PetefromTn_> probably disintegrate ;)
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[03:55:44] <enleth> so it has begun - I'm working on fitting 7i77 to the Bridgeport
[03:55:50] <enleth> this is going to be lots of fun
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[04:26:09] <Jymmm> enleth: Just remember... When you get frustrated or something isn't working like it should and you can't figure out what/where it is, just walk away, period. Get up and just walk away for a while and don't even think about it.
[04:38:28] <yasnak> I go take a dump. Its amazing what solutions I've thought up while on the thrown
[04:39:20] <yasnak> *throne. my brain is half asleep
[04:42:08] <Jymmm> =)
[04:43:57] <zeeshan> fak
[04:44:01] <zeeshan> i owe money to the governments
[04:44:03] <zeeshan> damn you tax season!
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[04:44:51] <yasnak> I have four jobs I need done by tomorrow for the bosses and the AAOS meeting next week. Giving it a good college all nighter :/
[04:45:07] <zeeshan> aaos?
[04:45:38] <yasnak> American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons
[04:45:50] <yasnak> We do medical device manufacturing
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[04:56:46] <zeeshan> ah cool
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[05:11:10] <joem_> if you're mix-n-matching lengths of lovejoy couplers, do you get a spider that matches the larger or the smaller hub?
[05:23:46] <Erant> Euh. I'm pretty sure you can't mix-n-match hub sizes
[05:24:11] <joem_> the outer diameter is the same
[05:24:20] <joem_> just bore length differs, and tooth length differs
[05:24:27] <Erant> (I also wouldn't recommend lovejoy couplers, I'd go for oldham couplings)
[05:24:32] <joem_> oldham
[05:24:36] <joem_> made from the finest old hams
[05:24:48] <joem_> woah
[05:24:48] <joem_> fancy
[05:25:23] <Erant> They're meant for motion purposes, and the discs are rigid.
[05:25:33] <joem_> yeah, like a double dovetail design
[05:26:09] <Erant> I use them for my mill. They can tolerate less misalignment (couple of thou), but that should be achievable.
[05:26:46] <Erant> Anyway, if you were going for lovejoy's, I figure you'd get the spider for the longer tooth, but that's just a guess.
[05:28:32] <joem_> yeah, that makes sense, wouldn't want metal against metal, the long tooth tops touching the other hub
[05:29:49] <Erant> Right.
[05:30:16] <joem_> i guess i could always turn down the long teeth to match the length of the short teeth, it would be an interesting experiment anyway
[05:48:37] <bobo_> zeeshan heres hopping sometime in the future your crack accountant says you owe a couple hundred K
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[05:51:17] <bobo_> hopping/hopeing
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[09:46:21] <DRGray> when homing my x axis it always seems to over run slightly and jam
[09:46:23] <DRGray> any ideas
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[09:48:12] <DRGray> erm i think its when i changes direction rapidly
[09:48:17] <DRGray> it sort of stalls or jams
[09:48:36] <archivist> acceleration too fast?
[09:48:50] <minibnz> evening all.
[09:49:41] <DRGray> ill try turning it down a little
[09:50:15] <minibnz> DRGray do you have any backlash compensation enabled? if you are moving fast the backlash takeup motion is usually faster. it might be topping out your steppers.
[09:50:33] <DRGray> ok where is backlash compensation?
[09:50:41] <DRGray> its a setting :)
[09:51:13] <minibnz> ie if you have 1mm of backlash comp. then you change directions at 40mm/min it will usually whip the first 1mm at a higher speed.
[09:51:49] <minibnz> there is a backlash setting in the AXIS block of the ini file. if its not 0.00 then its enabled.
[09:52:12] <minibnz> there might be a setting to control the backlash speed but i am not aware of that, i dont know a lot..
[09:52:16] <DRGray> on the home it goes back and forth a couple of times then just makes a buzzing noise
[09:53:29] <minibnz> hmmm..... how fast is it trying to move when homing? usually you move sorta fast until you think you are close then it all slows up.. then moves back and forth once or twice to get home
[09:53:57] <minibnz> but that said the buzzing sound does sound like a overdriven stepper
[09:54:12] <DRGray> its when it moves back and forth just jams up
[09:54:19] <DRGray> as in to fast?
[09:54:32] <DRGray> i have no entry for backlash
[09:54:47] <minibnz> oh h5 let me double check the location
[09:55:05] <minibnz> there should be a entry for each axis entry.
[09:56:13] <minibnz> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/config/ini_config.html#sub:AXIS-section
[09:56:24] <minibnz> If backlash is added to an axis and you are using steppers the STEPGEN_MAXACCEL must be increased to 1.5 to 2 times the MAX_ACCELERATION for the axis.
[09:56:55] <DRGray> its now working, it seems to do it intermittently, it homes goes back and forth and then as its going to go to the home position it doenst move and just buzzes
[09:56:56] <minibnz> oh thats not quite what i meant.. i read it differently the first time..
[09:57:32] <DRGray> is it quite standard to add backlash in?
[09:57:54] <DRGray> frustrating its stopped doing it now!!!
[09:58:15] <DRGray> erm ok when it got to the home position it did it
[09:58:19] <DRGray> buzzz stop
[09:58:23] <DRGray> but no movement
[09:58:25] <minibnz> that sounds like it might be right on the limit of not enough power depending on where it stops
[09:58:32] <minibnz> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Homing_And_Limit_Switch
[09:59:01] <minibnz> HOME_SEARCH_VEL = X somewhere you can set the homing speed with that tag.
[09:59:38] <DRGray> yeah ive set it much slower
[09:59:47] <DRGray> normal speed is 15, home speed is 8
[09:59:59] <minibnz> ahh and its still doing it?
[10:00:12] <DRGray> straight after i can press + or - and it works fine
[10:00:17] <DRGray> thats why i think its with changing direction fast
[10:00:49] <minibnz> maybe as a test write a little gcode that makes the same movements and see if its does the same. that way you can at least limit the seach to homing.
[10:01:57] <minibnz> try moving 10mm left then right a few times then measure where you end up and see if you can measure the difference. by doing it a few times you multiply the error if there is any
[10:03:06] <minibnz> try doing that in the middle of the axis and then close to the home pos to make sure its not something binding at one end.
[10:04:09] <minibnz> i know with my mill at the moment if i drive the bed to full extension it binds a little. i gotta get me some leadscrews... now i has me a job.. i can buy stuffs again :)
[10:04:28] <minibnz> and by stuffs i mean things other than 2min noodles :)
[10:05:57] <archivist> stalling is steppers to low in torque or you are accelerating too fast
[10:06:17] <archivist> or machine friction too high
[10:06:35] <archivist> you need headroom for cutting
[10:10:17] <DRGray> yes
[10:10:37] <DRGray> i could turn the voltage up a little
[10:10:39] <DRGray> the motors are cool
[10:11:09] <DRGray> i just dont want to chew the nut up
[10:11:16] <archivist> volts really helps keep it high
[10:11:43] <DRGray> ok ill add some volts
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[10:12:55] <DRGray> just running latency-test will do it when thats finished
[10:13:52] <__rob> just about to do a critcal bore through
http://snag.gy/BvPio.jpg to the 3rd layer, its 9.8mm drill bit
[10:13:59] <__rob> and gonna ream out to 9.98
[10:14:16] <__rob> should I pilot or anything first with this sizE ?
[10:14:18] <__rob> or just spot it
[10:14:21] <__rob> and drill
[10:15:11] <__rob> need this to be perfect!
[10:18:08] <archivist> a stubby spot drill, second best a centre drill
[10:22:51] <__rob> the ones with a little nipple bit on it ?
[10:24:07] <__rob> will show what I have
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[10:26:11] <__rob> http://snag.gy/zSUY5.jpg
[10:26:40] <minibnz> that be a centre drill.
[10:26:57] <__rob> http://snag.gy/erk0n.jpg
[10:26:58] <__rob> and that
[10:28:41] <__rob> spot is 8mm I think
[10:28:46] <__rob> carbide
[10:29:35] <__rob> so what I'm worried about is wander between each layer
[10:29:44] <DRGray> still doing it
[10:29:51] <DRGray> just james
[10:30:13] <__rob> wondering if I am better to spot, drill, and remove each layer as I go
[10:30:25] <__rob> or use the previous layer to guide the drill to the next rather then spot
[10:30:38] <__rob> relllly dont want to fuck it up :)
[10:31:33] <__rob> on the next one, think I will drill the side holes and keyways, and drill out solid blocks for that bore, before milling the insides
[10:31:37] <DRGray> if i set it to 1mm in the x axis test and hit run it works fine
[10:31:52] <DRGray> 0.5 it works fine
[10:32:49] <DRGray> maybe i should oil it up more
[10:33:27] <minibnz> DRGray does it work fine with 5mm? might need more time to accelerate up to a higher speed before the problem shows up. you might not be hitting full speed with such short moves.
[10:33:36] <minibnz> more oil cant really hurt :)
[10:33:37] <DRGray> yeah fine with 5 mm
[10:33:47] <minibnz> ok
[10:34:14] <minibnz> maybe you have to cut the acceleration right back and work your way up..
[10:34:16] <DRGray> i just did it 4 times it jammed once
[10:34:22] <DRGray> as soon as it jams, i stop it
[10:34:25] <minibnz> ahh
[10:34:38] <minibnz> ok oil and oil would be a good start.
[10:34:41] <DRGray> then do continuous movment in the home direction and it runs fine
[10:34:52] <minibnz> maybe see if you can check the slides are not nicked.
[10:35:13] <DRGray> i was wondering if it was some sort of weight balance issue
[10:35:42] <DRGray> as at the home switch the stepper is by it maybe its causing a tilt and jamming it
[10:35:55] <minibnz> oh causing your bed to bind only when it over hangs. how heavy is the stepper? maybe sit a vice on the other end to counter balance as a test
[10:36:04] <DRGray> can i tune the way the home works the back and forward bit a bit lsower?
[10:36:16] <DRGray> its a nema 17
[10:36:24] <DRGray> its only a small bed. about 300mm long
[10:36:34] <DRGray> its a proxxon 70 micro mill
[10:36:42] <minibnz> nema17 hmmmmm
[10:36:56] <DRGray> its a small unit though
[10:37:05] <minibnz> thats pretty weak whats its torque raating and gear ratio?
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[10:37:33] <minibnz> have you tried to cut something with it yet?
[10:37:53] <minibnz> just wondering if you are going to have enough push to cut nice
[10:38:24] <minibnz> when you enable the machine with a F2 can you turn the handle on the axis against the stepper?
[10:39:03] <DRGray> as in am i stronger then the stepper motor...
[10:39:05] <DRGray> yes
[10:39:29] <minibnz> i realise you are going to use small cutters on that but you need to bit of force to cut nice, if you accidentily climb mill something it might pull the bed..
[10:39:58] <minibnz> is it sorta similar force or greater than when you hand crank a test cut?
[10:40:03] <DRGray> it is a stock design though with the motors
[10:40:25] <minibnz> oh ok so its not a bits setup of your own random selection :)
[10:40:57] <minibnz> do you have the current settings on the drivers turned up enough?
[10:41:10] <DRGray> ah good point
[10:41:19] <DRGray> ill try that
[10:41:31] <minibnz> are they adjustable? maybe just try turning it up a little and see if that fixed it. might neater solution.
[10:42:20] <minibnz> after you adjust them you can leave them enabled and holding but not moving to see if they will get too hot.
[10:42:29] <DRGray> ok
[10:42:33] <DRGray> just changed the amps
[10:42:37] <DRGray> i had it on a low seting
[10:42:46] <DRGray> now i nearlly cant turn them
[10:43:00] <minibnz> ahh now your cooking with gas...
[10:44:24] <minibnz> mine go click click click when i force the handle.. i have nice large nema 23's and i think they are a bit small for the job at hand.. i certainly need a larger one for the Z axis. the X and Y are pretty good. but more torque is always good :)
[10:44:25] <DRGray> there rated at 1.8 amp per phase
[10:44:30] <DRGray> so i have just set the driver to that
[10:44:35] <DRGray> and i’m giving it 20 volts
[10:45:04] <DRGray> when it kicks of there is a slight click from the furthest axis
[10:45:14] <DRGray> not sure if it is jamed slightly and the motor force past it now
[10:45:25] <minibnz> you can usually crank up the voltage if your drivers are curent controled. just check the driver max input voltage.
[10:46:02] <DRGray> i think something is jaming
[10:46:12] <minibnz> does the axis have any backlash pyhsically?
[10:46:24] <minibnz> maybe its just taking up that and thats what you now hear?
[10:46:37] <DRGray> how can i tell?
[10:46:42] <minibnz> no load on the stepper for that instant..
[10:46:52] <minibnz> you need to measure for backlash.
[10:47:09] <minibnz> digital calipers if you have nothing better like a dial indicator.
[10:47:51] <DRGray> i have ditital calipers
[10:48:00] <DRGray> ok as in you ask it to move x, then measure it?
[10:48:02] <minibnz> tell the axis to move 10mm to the left then back to the right and measure how far off zero is..
[10:48:14] <minibnz> then do it again over 100mm to be sure.
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[10:49:35] <minibnz> the difference is the backlash you can put that in your ini file. so when you change directions it wil move the stepper more or less to compensate for it.. but these moves will be faster than the usual move i am not sure what sets the backlash speed. maybe your rapid speed is used.
[10:51:11] <minibnz> then if you are still unsure you can add a rediculous number into the backlash setting to see if the jamm period gets extended. up it to 10mm then it will try and drive it for 10mm's worth of steps ths will make the buzz sound longer if you are over driving the stepper.. if the buzz does not change its is most probably a jam in the axis.
[10:52:20] <minibnz> my axis had 0.52mm of backlash before i split my nuts.. :) and i could see clearly that the handle would spin fast for about half a turn then do the normal cutting speed.
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[11:09:24] <DRGray> crazy
[11:09:36] <DRGray> im not to sure wahts going on now
[11:10:14] <DRGray> ive turned my speed and acceleration down
[11:10:18] <DRGray> it in travel it sounds nice
[11:10:29] <DRGray> but when it stops and starts it sounds grindy
[11:12:18] <DRGray> not direction hold and setup?
[11:18:04] <DRGray> i might put a counterweight on the x axis
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[11:39:13] <MrSunshine> so .. .im right back where i started with the machine ... figuring out how to precision grind my rails
[11:39:34] <MrSunshine> found that due to angular error in my grind and stuff the center of the berings differ 0.3mm over the length of the rail
[11:40:08] <MrSunshine> was thinking some filing dohickey but cant figure how.. =)
[11:41:25] <MrSunshine> i guess the first step is to file it down to a uniform height atleast
[11:43:23] <XXCoder> cant you use lathe to even grinder up?
[11:43:25] <archivist> you can get reasonable with a file
[11:43:31] <XXCoder> if you has one
[11:44:16] <MrSunshine> the problem with the grinding ive done is that the rail bent as i was working with it =)
[11:44:17] <archivist> get some rails fix it properly :)
[11:44:35] <MrSunshine> archivist: cant afford to buy stuff right now :(
[11:45:34] <DaViruz> has anyone seen andypugh?
[11:46:44] <archivist> he is off on a skiing holiday
[11:47:23] <malcom2073> He's back, he was in here last night
[11:47:50] <DaViruz> oh.
[11:48:20] <DaViruz> i need to interview him, planning on going to the alps myself
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[11:57:34] <pink_vampire> hi
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[13:41:53] <gregcnc> he was in last night
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[13:48:52] <gregcnc> Is Fusion 360 an easy switch for a Solidworks driver?
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[14:03:57] <_methods> YEAH
[14:04:01] <_methods> oops
[14:04:17] <_methods> it's an easier transition for an inventor user
[14:05:10] <_methods> the only thing that is really "unusual" is there mate/joining system
[14:05:14] <_methods> for assemblies
[14:05:18] <gregcnc> i've got someone asking me to teach them CAM on 360 and i've nver touched it, and they have never done CAM
[14:05:39] <_methods> took me a minute to figure out wtf they were doing there
[14:06:20] <_methods> well i personally recommend people to use inventor instead of fusion since it's actually industry applicable and they have the same free license model
[14:06:41] <_methods> so why waste your time learning some cut down hobbyist trash when you can learn something that applies to industry
[14:07:16] <gregcnc> but is there a free 3D cam plugin?
[14:07:25] <_methods> hsmexpress is
[14:07:30] <gregcnc> 2.5D
[14:07:45] <_methods> yeah fusion 360 is only 2.5 d also
[14:09:46] <MrSunshine> well that was an hour totaly worth it with the file ...
[14:10:09] <_methods> hell maybe hsmexpress only works with solidworks
[14:10:15] <MrSunshine> fixed the thickness errors ... before i could run the machine at MAX 200mm/s and it started stalling ... now i was up at 330mm/s before it started stalling =)
[14:10:23] <_methods> i thought it worked with anything
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[14:10:57] <gregcnc> I think fusion 360 include 3D CAM
[14:10:57] <MrSunshine> 19.8 meters/min or 779 inches/min i guess it is =)
[14:10:59] <_methods> ah they have inventor hsm
[14:11:11] <_methods> which has the same license
[14:11:26] <_methods> http://cam.autodesk.com/try-inventor-hsm/
[14:11:28] <MrSunshine> tho not much torque left in the steppers but its very promising as everything goes very nice if they still can run it at those speeds =)
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[14:12:35] <MrSunshine> now for the next rail ... =)
[14:15:27] <_methods> but fusion360 isn't bad or anything, except for the mates/unions
[14:15:56] <gregcnc> Yeah, Fusion includes 3D, that's why people use it.
[14:16:02] <_methods> i just think if you wanted your time spent learning to be more applicable to industry related stuff then i'd go inventor
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[14:17:33] <gregcnc> It's not my call, I run SW. Up until a few months ago this project was drawn in 2D, may as well have been napkins.
[14:17:47] <_methods> hehe
[14:18:03] <_methods> well if they don't care then sure teach them on whatever they want
[14:18:20] <_methods> but transitioning to fusion360 from solidworks should be fairly easy
[14:18:32] <_methods> much like going between solidworks and inventor
[14:19:00] <_methods> and the cam package between the 3 is identical pretty much
[14:19:13] <gregcnc> I'll see how this works out, over email no less
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[14:19:24] <_methods> teach over email?
[14:19:41] <gregcnc> yeah
[14:19:57] <_methods> oh ouch
[14:20:41] <_methods> so this guy that has never done cam before is actually using full 3d toolpaths?
[14:21:03] <_methods> has a 4 or 5 axis machine?
[14:21:35] <gregcnc> The project is much more complicated than necessary. I could do it myself, if i had enough extra cash using off the shelf stuff.
[14:22:13] <_methods> sounds like you got your work cut out lol
[14:22:18] <gregcnc> They decided to make a lot themselves and know nothing about making much, have never used CAM or machined anyhting
[14:22:45] <_methods> the ole' dive in the deep end approach
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[14:24:41] <gregcnc> it's complicated. my part was the mechanical side and unfortunately I have the CAD/CAM knowledge, but they are 2000 miles away.
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[14:26:33] <wicki_> hi again....
[14:30:17] <PetefromTn_> Morning folks
[14:31:16] <wicki_> I m still searching for a gcode-(or hpgl)-postprocessor to use a tangential knife. inkscape is nor realy useful for this. gcodetools and tcnc are not working as expected
[14:31:25] <wicki_> any hints?
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[14:35:58] <_methods> only way i know of besides writing your own post
[14:36:36] <_methods> hola PetefromTn_
[14:36:40] <_methods> how goes the cabinet making
[14:36:53] <PetefromTn_> meh its a pain in the ass honestly :D
[14:37:17] <PetefromTn_> I got all the doors primed, and have two coats of color on them now
[14:37:31] <PetefromTn_> I got a couple small runs not sure why but I am gonna have to fix them
[14:37:47] <PetefromTn_> so sand and recoat
[14:37:55] <PetefromTn_> then I get to hand glaze them all
[14:38:13] <PetefromTn_> then I can finally shoot the clear coat on them and get the damn things installed
[14:38:38] <_methods> oh you glazed all the other stuff?
[14:38:39] <_methods> ouch
[14:38:56] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah
[14:39:04] <PetefromTn_> it looks nice but it is a lot of work
[14:39:19] <PetefromTn_> basically I took the stock oak nothing boring cabinets
[14:39:23] <PetefromTn_> and stripped them down
[14:39:29] <_methods> yeah glazing is hell
[14:39:30] <PetefromTn_> fixed all the little problems
[14:39:43] <PetefromTn_> and added proper finished ends
[14:39:45] <_methods> especially trying to match prexisting glaze
[14:39:48] <PetefromTn_> light rails
[14:39:54] <PetefromTn_> crown and crown base
[14:40:21] <PetefromTn_> built a couple new cabinets
[14:40:34] <_methods> damn you been all kinds of busy beaver
[14:40:37] <PetefromTn_> just trying to polish a turd here LOL
[14:40:57] <PetefromTn_> oh the glaze was not pre-existing
[14:41:06] <PetefromTn_> the original finish was just a stain and clear
[14:41:10] <_methods> ahhh
[14:41:13] <PetefromTn_> now it is a creme color
[14:41:17] <_methods> you glazed the whole kitchen?
[14:41:20] <PetefromTn_> with a van dyke brown glaze
[14:41:27] <_methods> you crazy bastard
[14:41:29] <PetefromTn_> and two coats clear
[14:41:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah redid everything
[14:42:00] <PetefromTn_> I guess I figured if I was gonna NOT be able to sell at least I would enjoy our new kitchen ;D
[14:42:06] <_methods> hahahah
[14:42:16] <PetefromTn_> we were for sale for almost 3 years man
[14:42:32] <PetefromTn_> I took down the wall cabinets first
[14:42:35] <PetefromTn_> redid them
[14:42:42] <PetefromTn_> reinstalled them
[14:42:56] <PetefromTn_> then got new counter tops just some cool looking post forms
[14:43:05] <PetefromTn_> then pulled out the bases and sink etc
[14:43:08] <PetefromTn_> redid them
[14:43:14] <PetefromTn_> reinstalled them with the new tops
[14:43:31] <_methods> you're making me tired
[14:43:32] <PetefromTn_> and been working on the doors for awhile in my spare time
[14:43:48] <PetefromTn_> I WAS planning on making all new raised panel doors
[14:43:56] <PetefromTn_> but when we sold and I needed to HURRY
[14:44:07] <PetefromTn_> I just sanded down the original doors
[14:44:13] <PetefromTn_> and repaired any damage
[14:44:22] <PetefromTn_> and now trying to get them finished
[14:44:32] <PetefromTn_> still gotta find some nice hinges for them all
[14:44:42] <PetefromTn_> they had the barrel style hinges
[14:44:52] <PetefromTn_> but I was gonna get some concealed ones
[14:44:53] <JT-Shop> how long before your out of there?
[14:44:59] <PetefromTn_> mar21
[14:45:08] <PetefromTn_> machines are leaving here sometime next week
[14:45:36] <JT-Shop> now you have to change your nick lol
[14:45:55] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I have TONS of stuff I gotta do LOL
[14:46:09] <PetefromTn_> right now waiting for paint to dry LOL
[14:46:13] * SpeedEvil ponders lowered panel doors.
[14:46:28] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[14:46:44] <gregcnc> I didn't know van dyke glaze was a thing. I just thought people never cleaned the crevices of their cabinets.
[14:46:49] <PetefromTn_> I got a curved raised knife
[14:46:55] <PetefromTn_> and a beveled raised
[14:47:12] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[14:47:25] <PetefromTn_> trying to make them look like nobody ever cleaned em LOL
[14:47:45] <PetefromTn_> when I worked in the custom cabinet shops we routinely beat the snot out of cabinets to purposely distress them
[14:48:05] <PetefromTn_> then we would play with custom glazes to make it look real
[14:48:18] <PetefromTn_> but then would spray clear all over it so it looks new LOL
[14:48:35] <PetefromTn_> but hey they people ate that shit up!
[14:49:00] <gregcnc> i get the distressed thing sort of, but the dirty look is not appealing. Like the cars with clearcoat over rust, or even painted like rust.
[14:49:29] <PetefromTn_> well honestly it is not really a dirty look, hell even home depot sells cabinets like this nowadays
[14:50:57] <gregcnc> I've probably not seen a good job
[14:51:31] <PetefromTn_> I can say that even without doors it probably helped sell my house ;)
[14:52:20] <gregcnc> whatever works
[14:52:52] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I quite like it
[14:53:13] <PetefromTn_> when we get to Florida most likely the house we buy will probably NOT have a stellar kitchen
[14:53:24] <PetefromTn_> and I will probably be doing all of this again :D
[14:53:37] <PetefromTn_> but at least I will WANT to do it there
[14:53:56] <gregcnc> you'll get to enjoy it
[14:54:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah we have no plans on ever moving away from there
[14:54:48] <PetefromTn_> and knowing me if we can get a nice comfortable house I will probably never leave it either hehehe I HATE moving
[14:57:18] <DRGray> in GCODE im guessing when using G0
[14:57:22] <DRGray> is F ? the speed
[14:58:44] <gregcnc> G0 will move at machine rapid speed regardless of F
[14:58:56] <gregcnc> G1 will move at F
[14:59:32] <DRGray> thank
[14:59:42] <DRGray> it seems that i have to set F on each line
[15:00:06] <DRGray> no possibly i was setting F before calling G1
[15:02:14] <_methods> F is modal
[15:02:20] <gregcnc> F is modal. This means it doesn't change until it's called with a new value.
[15:02:23] <_methods> once it's set it stays active until changed
[15:02:26] <_methods> lol
[15:02:37] <DRGray> and its mm per min?
[15:02:44] <_methods> if you set it to metric
[15:03:32] <gregcnc> you'll want to read the docs regard gcode, mcode and their function
[15:04:08] <gregcnc> it will go a long way to understanding how programs work.
[15:05:02] <DRGray> yes gradually going through it
[15:06:56] <DRGray> can i set a different feed rate just for Z
[15:10:32] <DRGray> well ive drilled some holes
[15:10:43] <archivist> you should get into the habit of setting what you want and not hoping some modal value rescues you
[15:11:06] <DRGray> so your saying set the F on each line
[15:13:59] <DRGray> im tryinig to find a good guide on the tools any direction?
[15:15:21] <Roguish> DRGray: Gcode is a simple language.
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/g-code.html
[15:15:40] <DRGray> and its from gcode i handle all the tool info?
[15:15:43] <archivist> Ithere are many speed and feed calculators on the net, but note they are often for better tooling and big machines
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[15:18:11] <__rob> archivist, that bore worked perfectly
[15:18:29] <archivist> good
[15:18:34] <__rob> bearings with a light push fit and the axle spins free
[15:19:17] <__rob> yup, thanks for the help with all that, jig made it really easy
[15:19:24] <__rob> just took each layer off after drill and ream
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[15:31:55] <_methods> ah so you got your parts lining up alright
[15:32:28] <Duc> where is a good source for multiconductor cable. Looking for a 4/12 AWG and 8/16awg in same cable
[15:32:44] <Roguish> Beldin and Alpha wire.
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[15:32:54] <SpeedEvil> the expensive shop
[15:33:22] <Duc> LOL
[15:33:23] <SpeedEvil> heatshrink can work
[15:35:21] <Duc> wonder if tpc wire has something for controller wire
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[15:37:21] <Duc> I can find servo cable with signals but the tsudakoma rotary puts all the home switches, clamp switch and booster wires on with the motor power
[15:39:15] <Duc> wonder if I could move some over to the encoder plug
[15:41:35] <SpeedEvil> There is moderately good reason to seperate motor and sensor
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[15:46:06] <Duc> The switches shouldnt cause problems with the encoder.
[15:46:24] <Duc> except the 110v booster signal but leave that with the motor
[15:46:39] <joem_> pink_vampire, around? check out my flood table
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvlL8a7w94
[15:47:14] <pink_vampire> I'm here :)
[15:47:36] <pink_vampire> I like you voice.
[15:47:46] <joem_> lol ok
[15:48:49] <pink_vampire> the hydrophobic surface is super cool!!
[15:49:08] <joem_> yeah, never played with one before
[15:49:12] <joem_> i put some honey on it
[15:49:14] <joem_> then blew the honey around
[15:49:20] <joem_> it didn't stick to anythign but itself
[15:49:28] <Sync> yeah, it is a neat trick
[15:49:30] <pink_vampire> cool!
[15:49:44] <joem_> i touched the honey with a kitchen paper, just barely touched it, and all the honey came with the paper
[15:50:18] <joem_> i wiped all the superhydrophobic coating off the actual drain and now it drains much better
[15:50:24] <joem_> it needs to be leveled
[15:50:28] <pink_vampire> i you can try to make the angle grater, to move the chips with the flood. other than that - GRATE JOB!
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[15:51:15] <pink_vampire> ignore the "i" at the beginning
[15:51:46] <Sync> well, without a chip conveyor there is not much sense to do so
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[15:55:38] <CaptHindsight> joem_: I use soda for coolant as well :)
[15:55:50] <joem_> :P
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[15:56:07] <joem_> and honey
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[16:03:22] <pink_vampire> honey is similar to the cutting oil.
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[16:04:16] <SpeedEvil> catches more flies though
[16:04:33] <gregcnc> yeah, vactra 2 is great on french toast
[16:04:38] <_methods> yum
[16:06:09] <gregcnc> curious, how durable is the hydrophobic coating?
[16:07:03] <PetefromTn_> thats pretty cool man
[16:07:15] <PetefromTn_> never seen that coating before
[16:07:50] <pink_vampire> where did you get the hydrophobic paint?
[16:07:50] <DaViruz> i prefer Jet Oil II on my toast
[16:08:25] <PetefromTn_> I made the coolant trough for my RF45 much the same way only I did it with furniture grade plywood, biscuits, pocket screws, and I sealed the whole thing with fiberglass mesh and epoxy and then painted the whole inside with epoxy based industrial paint.
[16:08:38] <pink_vampire> I'm using dry lubricant.
[16:08:58] <archivist> real lubricant
http://harviestoun.com/shop/products/old-engine-oil
[16:09:01] <PetefromTn_> it actually worked quite well and I never had any leaking issues
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[16:10:10] <SpeedEvil> joem_: what coolant are you actually using?
[16:10:13] <SpeedEvil> ^going to be
[16:10:26] <SpeedEvil> I do wonder how the coating will handle grime and chips
[16:11:26] <joem_> SpeedEvil, duno
[16:12:06] <DaViruz> i am restoring an old ferguson tractor, the oil in that thing had just about solidified
[16:12:33] <DaViruz> and it was basically insoluable.. in anything
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[16:15:05] <gregcnc> but seafoam fixes all engine maladies
[16:15:38] <DaViruz> there were times where submerging it in salt water felt like a good option
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[16:16:07] <DaViruz> oh it's a product
[16:16:09] <PetefromTn_> they did that with a toyota pickup and it kept running
[16:16:23] <DaViruz> looks like snake oil
[16:20:28] <CaptHindsight> wonder why they didn't try it with a Subaru?
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[16:22:52] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[16:23:42] <CaptHindsight> whatever happened to Mr Subaru that used to treat this channel like a twitter feed?
[16:23:54] <PetefromTn_> well last coat of color is sprayed, now just wait til dry and start rubbin' on the glaze.... MAN I can't wait to be done with this house LOL
[16:24:09] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight which one?
[16:24:43] <CaptHindsight> furry somethin
[16:24:48] <PetefromTn_> I'm probably guilt of that myself ;)
[16:24:57] <PetefromTn_> oh Mr. Furrypants LOL
[16:25:17] <PetefromTn_> I dunno what happened to him
[16:25:18] <_methods> lol i put that guy on ignore
[16:25:26] <PetefromTn_> Oh he loved you man..
[16:25:29] <_methods> him and his little sister
[16:25:33] <_methods> zooshan
[16:25:41] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[16:26:00] <PetefromTn_> Did I miss something why did you ignore zeesh
[16:26:15] <_methods> because he's a douche
[16:26:18] <CaptHindsight> I wonder how that German fellow that retired to be a park ranger is doing
[16:26:22] <PetefromTn_> hehehahahahaheheheh
[16:26:40] <PetefromTn_> ya know honestly I tried to ignore someone on here once...
[16:26:45] <PetefromTn_> it was REALLY annoying
[16:26:57] <PetefromTn_> because you see others talking to...nobody
[16:26:58] <_methods> yeah my life is much better now lol
[16:27:31] <PetefromTn_> jeez man when it gets that bad in here I just disappear for awhile and hope it just goes away now
[16:27:44] <_methods> the ignore works great
[16:27:52] <CaptHindsight> danimal is another that just disappeared
[16:27:59] <PetefromTn_> I would venture to guess that I am on SEVERAL folks ignore lists LOL
[16:28:07] <_methods> if i see some people talking about something stupid i just assume zooshan is involved
[16:28:14] <CaptHindsight> lol
[16:28:38] <_methods> hehe
[16:28:39] <PetefromTn_> I remember when I first got on linuxCNC IRC
[16:28:52] <PetefromTn_> I REALLY REALLY Pissed some guy off I don't remember his name
[16:29:07] <PetefromTn_> but he got pretty damn mad
[16:29:15] <PetefromTn_> I don't even remember what it was about
[16:29:25] <PetefromTn_> but he just left one day and never came back I guess
[16:30:49] <gregcnc> trolling pro level
[16:30:50] <_methods> meh it's irc
[16:30:51] <_methods> it happens
[16:31:03] <PetefromTn_> it sure does :D
[16:31:17] <CaptHindsight> my Chinese tap should be here any minute, got delayed by yesterdays blizzard
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[16:31:44] <CaptHindsight> they have a NY or NJ address but they shipped from Florida
[16:31:46] <PetefromTn_> hell I remember when zeeshan first came on here people wanted to strangle him thru the screen but then he kinda calmed down a bit hahaha
[16:32:13] <gregcnc> I'm curious how the balance will work out on your fixture
[16:32:40] <CaptHindsight> well Canadians tend to be very controversial :) just ask Finboy
[16:33:20] <PetefromTn_> hehe I like Finboy
[16:33:36] <PetefromTn_> he's into some interesting stuff like DUNE
[16:34:33] <PetefromTn_> you wouldn't think it would take this long to paint 30 doors and drawer fronts
[16:34:38] <_methods> hahah
[16:34:54] <PetefromTn_> it's like watching paint dry ;)
[16:34:56] <_methods> without a booth in your garage
[16:34:59] <_methods> gonna take forever
[16:35:03] <PetefromTn_> whats a booth?
[16:35:06] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[16:35:11] <_methods> right
[16:35:26] <PetefromTn_> you would not believe how many gallons of finish I have sprayed in this garage
[16:35:53] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: are you still going to want to move when the house is all fixed? :)
[16:35:56] <PetefromTn_> if its nice outside I just spray outside mostly but its still kinda cold today so NO
[16:36:14] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight CAN'T FREAKING WAIT MAN!!
[16:36:15] <_methods> paint no likey cold
[16:36:29] <PetefromTn_> nope it does not... its nice and warm in the shop
[16:36:50] <PetefromTn_> I will bet it will be warm in Florida when I am painting the cabinets down there
[16:37:01] <_methods> damn skippy
[16:37:06] <_methods> it's kinda cold right here now
[16:37:07] <PetefromTn_> I'll be all in shorts and Flip Flops
[16:37:11] <_methods> it's like 55 or somethimg
[16:37:18] <PetefromTn_> drinking a Pina colada
[16:37:19] <_methods> but tuesday it's supposed to be 75
[16:37:24] <_methods> thank god
[16:37:25] <PetefromTn_> and screwing up my doors LOL
[16:37:37] <PetefromTn_> you're in SC?
[16:37:39] <_methods> yeah
[16:37:52] <_methods> can't wait for the 80's
[16:37:54] <PetefromTn_> how far from the beach are you?
[16:38:00] <_methods> 15min
[16:38:01] <CaptHindsight> I'm waiting for my $10 ARM board to arrive to test Linuxcnc
[16:38:08] <PetefromTn_> OH DAMN that is nice
[16:38:09] <_methods> dependin on how much i speed lol
[16:38:25] <PetefromTn_> I would bet that it is pretty nice climate there huh
[16:38:32] <_methods> the beach we go to is like 30min away though
[16:38:35] <_methods> 30-45
[16:38:41] <_methods> yeah i like it
[16:38:55] <_methods> i can see how many people would not though
[16:38:57] <PetefromTn_> you need a nice fishing kayak like I got here man
[16:38:57] <_methods> it's humid and hot
[16:39:14] <_methods> i love the jungle though so if it was up to me i'd be in the yucatan
[16:39:24] <PetefromTn_> best of 80's reloaded on pandora is pretty good!
[16:39:26] <_methods> but the wife is not so supportive of my geographic inclinations
[16:40:04] <PetefromTn_> yup I live the warm weather and while nobody loves the heavy humidity I will take it over freezing my azz off every time and twice on Sundays
[16:40:17] <_methods> yeah i absolutely hate the cold
[16:40:35] <PetefromTn_> makes me feel like a shut in man
[16:40:37] <_methods> unless there are skis strapped to my feet i don't want to see that miserable stuff
[16:41:04] <CaptHindsight> and I consider your cold rather mild
[16:41:18] <PetefromTn_> I have been skiing and snowboarding a couple times. it is surely fun but its not the same here as it is out in Cali near taho
[16:41:24] <CaptHindsight> but I wouldn't miss it
[16:41:35] <PetefromTn_> hehe my cold IS rather mild
[16:41:51] <PetefromTn_> more like VERY mild
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[16:42:05] <PetefromTn_> so that just goes to show just how much I can't stand being cold
[16:42:07] <_methods> all i know is that if this winter is indicative of what global warming is all about
[16:42:11] <_methods> i'm a firm supporter
[16:42:12] <_methods> lol
[16:42:18] <PetefromTn_> dunno what I was thinking moving up here years ago
[16:42:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah man cook this marble
[16:42:31] <_methods> you were probably chasin cooter
[16:42:37] <_methods> that stuff makes you do stupid things
[16:42:42] <PetefromTn_> naah I already had that
[16:42:46] <_methods> hahah
[16:42:57] <PetefromTn_> we did get married up here tho
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[16:43:03] <PetefromTn_> in Gatlinburg
[16:43:04] <_methods> i rest my case
[16:43:09] <PetefromTn_> hahaha
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[16:43:43] <_methods> i can link just about all my poor decisions in life to drugs or cooter lol
[16:43:49] <_methods> and bb guns
[16:43:58] <PetefromTn_> some guy in the South Florida Kayak fishing group posted a video
[16:44:06] <PetefromTn_> he was fishing offshore
[16:44:14] <PetefromTn_> and he caught a snapper or something
[16:44:19] <PetefromTn_> and was reeling it in
[16:44:35] <PetefromTn_> then all of a sudden his rod bows over and the line starts screaming out
[16:44:39] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I'd say mine were following the advice of others
[16:44:54] <PetefromTn_> apparently a giant grouper ate his catch
[16:44:59] <PetefromTn_> and took off running
[16:45:07] <PetefromTn_> DAMN that was a big fish
[16:45:54] <PetefromTn_> most of my poor decisions came from just doing what I enjoy....and BB guns LOL
[16:46:36] <CaptHindsight> when in doubt spend more time figuring it out
[16:46:55] <PetefromTn_> I think that is my problem
[16:47:07] <PetefromTn_> I spend TOO MUCH TIME figuring it out and not getting it done
[16:47:30] <PetefromTn_> oh and screwing off killing time on IRC
[16:48:19] <CaptHindsight> avoid witches
[16:48:44] <CaptHindsight> and wizards
[16:50:44] <PetefromTn_> what's wrong with witches? ;)
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[16:51:02] <maxcnc> hi all ;-)
[16:51:55] <maxcnc> today i shot a superdeal 10 Tiny HP for 50Euros
[16:52:50] <maxcnc> and the t5720 has parport and internal USB for a drive on USB TEST install 20min at <8000 latency with 3GLXgears
[16:52:55] <maxcnc> cool stuff
[16:53:10] <maxcnc> it also has a PCI inside
[16:53:41] <maxcnc> will test one tomorrow on MEA stuff
[16:53:46] <maxcnc> S
[16:53:52] <maxcnc> Till Later
[16:53:55] <PetefromTn_> Didn't you ever watch Practical Magic? :D
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[16:55:07] <CaptHindsight> sorry I meant sales and marketing types :)
[16:55:57] <PetefromTn_> I'm sorry too man....I just got a thing for Nicole Kidman :D
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[17:00:16] <MikkoP> Hey
[17:01:28] <CaptHindsight> got Practical Magic confused with The Craft
[17:01:48] <PetefromTn_> LOL HOW could you man
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[17:02:26] <CaptHindsight> the 90's
[17:04:10] <PetefromTn_> has it been that long gaah
[17:05:29] <CaptHindsight> hanging down at the mall, having a seance with my Goth friends lol
[17:05:57] <CaptHindsight> yeah, almost 20 years
[17:06:21] <PetefromTn_> you got Goth friends... I did not think that was even a thing anymore
[17:07:02] <CaptHindsight> nah was too old for that in the 90's
[17:07:41] <PetefromTn_> heh when I was a kid I was a surfer but you would never be able to tell if you saw me today LOL
[17:08:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/goth-talk/n11282
[17:08:51] <PetefromTn_> and when I say I was a surfer I mean I wore the clothes, got the shoes, talked the talk, rode the waves...etc.etc.etc. rofl
[17:09:00] <CaptHindsight> tasty waves
[17:09:54] <PetefromTn_> LOL that's freaking hilarious never saw that before
[17:09:58] <CaptHindsight> I used to read Surfer Mag in H.S. during the winter months here since they also covered early skateboarding
[17:10:41] <PetefromTn_> Damn Hezebiah is pretty sexy :D
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[17:10:57] <CaptHindsight> 3 ft of snow and wished I was in Ca or Hi
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[17:11:31] <PetefromTn_> I know right.. I grew up in Florida drooling over those pictures of monster waves everywhere else but where I lived...
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[17:13:18] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: my favorite Goth SNL sketch was the one where Kattan had to quickly finish his seance before heading back to his job at Sbarro (or some other mall shop)
[17:13:42] <PetefromTn_> I never saw any of those but that one is good
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[17:15:35] <CaptHindsight> I hardly recognize Molly Shannon now
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[17:17:25] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxgizmos.com/10-dollar-orange-pi-one-pits-quad-core-cortex-a7-against-pi-zero/ with integrated ethernet
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[17:17:45] <CaptHindsight> so hopefully runs hm2_eth without any problems
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[17:24:00] <Loetmichel2> hihi, my wife has a new desktop wallpaper: a picture of gandalf the gray. And a quote beside it: "Do or do not. There is no try! (Dumbledore)" ... took me a moment to notice the clash of movies ;)
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[17:24:22] <_methods> pretty sure that was yoda
[17:26:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah man yoda
[17:27:29] <_methods> dumbledore wasn't even born yet lol
[17:27:31] <Loetmichel2> _methods: thats the thing ;)
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[17:29:45] <_methods> now i want to watch star wars
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[17:30:13] <PetefromTn_> I watch it all the time ;)
[17:30:25] <_methods> you watch deadpool yet?
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[17:30:50] <PetefromTn_> I am a hopeless unashamed child of the 80s man
[17:31:00] <PetefromTn_> no
[17:31:03] <_methods> omg man
[17:31:04] <PetefromTn_> I have not seen it yet
[17:31:08] <_methods> run
[17:31:12] <_methods> go watch
[17:31:17] <PetefromTn_> I honestly very seldom go to the movies
[17:31:18] <_methods> funniest movie i've seen in years
[17:31:27] <_methods> worth watchin on the big screen
[17:31:30] <PetefromTn_> I understand it is VERY adult
[17:31:32] <jdh_> I was thinking about seeing it with my daughter this w/e
[17:31:41] <_methods> oh yeah don't bring the daycare center
[17:31:58] <_methods> well unless your daughter is like 21
[17:32:01] <_methods> i wouldnt lol
[17:32:10] <jdh_> she's 19
[17:32:29] <_methods> well i think the sex scene is kinda funny
[17:32:29] <PetefromTn_> I have too much shite to do around here this weekend
[17:32:32] <_methods> so it's no biggie
[17:33:00] <_methods> but i will warn you there is a scene with a strap on
[17:33:16] <_methods> i'm sure furrywolf would have enjoyed it
[17:33:20] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[17:33:54] <_methods> mainly i'd be worried about young boys seeing it because of the stuff deadpool says
[17:34:05] <jdh_> that might be more than I need to experience with her
[17:34:06] <_methods> especially if you have one of those "parrot" kids
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[17:34:23] <_methods> because the cracks he drops are hilarious
[17:34:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah I don't see my viewing it anytime soon
[17:34:54] <PetefromTn_> will probably have to rent it and watch it after the kids go to sleep ;)
[17:34:59] <_methods> hahah
[17:35:04] <_methods> well it's a great movie
[17:35:15] <_methods> i haven't seen anything that can compare to it in a long time
[17:35:17] <PetefromTn_> its sure getting a lot of press
[17:35:20] <_methods> it's up there with 300
[17:35:30] <PetefromTn_> that was a good movie
[17:35:34] <_methods> yep
[17:35:37] <_methods> pacific rim
[17:35:41] <PetefromTn_> its nowhere to be found now
[17:35:51] <PetefromTn_> pacific rim was okay
[17:35:56] <PetefromTn_> they are doing a remake
[17:36:01] <_methods> 2
[17:36:24] <_methods> it's hard to explain but it's definitely the funniest action movie i've seen in years
[17:36:35] <PetefromTn_> netflix has some half azzed copy of it I have refused to watch thus far
[17:36:54] <_methods> makes ironman look like capt america in the smart ass dept
[17:37:16] <PetefromTn_> I honestly really enjoyed ironman and the sequels except for the last one
[17:37:28] <_methods> yeah 1 and 2 were pretty good
[17:37:31] <_methods> 3 not so much
[17:37:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah it kinda sucked
[17:37:47] <_methods> but imagine that snark and crank it up to like 100
[17:37:51] <_methods> and you got deadpool
[17:38:03] <PetefromTn_> so just a wisecracking super hero then
[17:38:09] <_methods> um yah
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[17:38:54] <CaptHindsight> what did you think of the Jessica Jones series?
[17:39:12] <Loetmichel2> if the trailer is any indication deadpool is axactly up my alley for the wisecracking ;)
[17:39:14] <CaptHindsight> not sure how they are going to do the New Avengers
[17:39:39] <_methods> i didn't like jessica jones i watched like 3 of them and quit
[17:39:46] <_methods> i couldn't take it anymore
[17:40:17] <_methods> i did like daredevil thouhg
[17:40:23] <CaptHindsight> yeah started out ok, the middle was painful and had a disappointing end
[17:40:24] <_methods> it had some stinker episodes
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[17:41:09] <_methods> and that actor that plays his law partner is so bad it's painful
[17:41:14] <CaptHindsight> I binged watched it with the flu and bottle of single malt
[17:41:34] <PetefromTn_> never watched jessica jones but I enjoyed daredevil
[17:41:42] <_methods> but the rest of the show was pretty good i'm kinda looking forward to this next season with punisher
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[17:51:01] <jdh> I liked Jessica
[17:52:06] <CaptHindsight> for comedy did anyone else watch Master of None?
[17:52:14] <_methods> yeah
[17:52:19] <_methods> that show was great
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[17:52:27] <_methods> i like anziz ansari
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[17:52:56] <CaptHindsight> I'm glad that netflix and amazon are producing some of these
[17:53:03] <_methods> i think he got his start on the daily show too
[17:53:10] <CaptHindsight> they would be terrible on the regular networks
[17:53:14] <_methods> yeah
[17:53:21] <_methods> the regular networks are a wasteland
[17:53:41] <_methods> syfy is actually doing a good job with the expanse
[17:54:15] <_methods> they normally just destroy stuff
[17:54:18] <CaptHindsight> i watched the first couple episodes
[17:54:35] <_methods> it might be really hard to follow if you didn't read the books
[17:55:52] <CaptHindsight> Humans on the BBC was interesting
[17:56:17] <_methods> ah yeah i need to finish that series
[17:56:26] <_methods> i think i watched up to the 5th episode or so
[17:56:33] <_methods> totally forgot about that
[17:56:44] <CaptHindsight> only 8 in the whole season
[17:57:35] <CaptHindsight> The Man in the High Castle got a bit too drawn out in the middle as well
[17:57:56] <_methods> yeah im not really into alt history stuff
[17:58:48] <CaptHindsight> I've read most of the sci-fi from the early 60's and back
[17:59:17] <CaptHindsight> they really dropped the ball with I Robot
[18:01:12] <CaptHindsight> tap arrived, beautiful
[18:02:07] <neckro23> The Expanse is ridiculously good
[18:04:13] <CaptHindsight> whenever I see Thomas Jane I think of why is his Hung character in a a scifi?
[18:06:45] <CaptHindsight> and hoping that Blade Runner II isn't a flop
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[18:08:59] <PetefromTn_> man I was not even aware they were making Blade Runner II
[18:09:13] <PetefromTn_> that is one movie they REALLY should just leave the hell alone
[18:09:26] <PetefromTn_> it is an absolute masterpiece in my mind
[18:09:57] <PetefromTn_> it would take a MONUMENTAL effort from some amazingly talented folks to follow up that movie
[18:10:22] <CaptHindsight> from the master himself
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/nov/18/ridley-scott-opening-scene-blade-runner-sequel-harrison-ford-ryan-gosling
[18:10:44] <PetefromTn_> the musical score and the sound effects alone were just epic
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[18:11:27] <PetefromTn_> well if he is actually making it then perhaps it has a chance..
[18:11:49] <CaptHindsight> I hope he is in good health
[18:12:11] <Jymmm> OH where oh where has PetefromFL gone, or where oh where could he be ???
[18:12:12] <CaptHindsight> I can imagine them getting some hack to finish it
[18:12:24] <PetefromTn_> Evangelos Odysseas Papathanassiou is like in his mid 70's now
[18:12:45] <PetefromTn_> and IMHO his musical score is a MAJOR factor in that movie's success
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[18:13:19] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm PetefromFL is not in existence just yet.... But he's Coming soon!!
[18:14:01] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Well, I aint buying the e/Book, and will just wait for the movie instead!
[18:14:06] <PetefromTn_> well I managed to fix the runs in the doors and got the second coat on them. Looking pretty good...
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[18:15:29] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm honestly I think the story of my life would make a great/amusing movie sometimes LOL
[18:16:09] <PetefromTn_> adventures of a goofy no talent hack :D
[18:17:16] <CaptHindsight> Scott is also making Alien: Covenant
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/What-Alien-Covenant-Actually-About-94577.html
[18:18:18] <PetefromTn_> man to think of the resume that guy has in film greats...
[18:18:37] <PetefromTn_> its absolutely amazing
[18:18:53] <PetefromTn_> I saw that movie they made recently that was like based on Alien
[18:19:02] <PetefromTn_> had Tom Cruise I think
[18:19:07] <PetefromTn_> it was decent
[18:19:28] <PetefromTn_> the later Alien movies got a bit comical to me
[18:19:55] <CaptHindsight> Oblivion?
[18:20:09] <PetefromTn_> but honestly the original movie and HR geiger's creature creation is probably one of the scariest creatures EVER MADE for a movie
[18:20:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think that was what it was called.
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[18:21:01] <CaptHindsight> Alien 3 was painful
[18:21:17] <PetefromTn_> I remember the first time I ever saw it like it was yesterday. My mother refused to allow us to buy the movie LOL
[18:21:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah I agree
[18:21:32] <PetefromTn_> I mean it was not terrible
[18:21:50] <PetefromTn_> but it did not have near the power or scare factor of the original
[18:22:17] <CaptHindsight> Alien: Resurrection with Winona Ryder
[18:23:16] <PetefromTn_> I was more referring to the alien versus predator stuff
[18:23:33] <CaptHindsight> heh, oh yeah
[18:23:47] <toast_work> the game AvP was really good on the alien campaign
[18:24:03] <CaptHindsight> Sigourney Weaver is going to be to old to chase monsters
[18:24:03] <toast_work> despite the fact the learning curve was basically a vertical wall
[18:24:41] <CaptHindsight> picturing a geriatric robot walker
[18:25:36] <CaptHindsight> skewering an alien with her cane
[18:25:42] <PetefromTn_> I love sigourney weaver especially in
http://www.imagozone.com/var/albums/filme/Galaxy%20Quest/Sigourney%20Weaver07.jpg?m=1409500983
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[18:27:18] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
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[18:27:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newmantools.com/taps/taptech.htm
[18:28:51] <maxcnc> just seen the debate on AFN cool man Trump he will be the best showman after Roneld
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[18:29:09] <CaptHindsight> is D5 the same as H5 on a tap for variance in diameter?
[18:29:09] <maxcnc> 10feet 1000miles
[18:29:51] <CaptHindsight> D5 = Basic Plus 0.0015" to Basic Plus 0.0025"
[18:30:21] <maxcnc> someone here shoudt build a CNC concread walll mashine like european ones only 2feed
[18:30:24] <PetefromTn_> I never remember that I always have to look it up ;)
[18:30:55] <maxcnc> CaptHindsight: this might brake your spindle
[18:31:13] <CaptHindsight> Pitch Diameter Limits
[18:31:23] <maxcnc> or the shop starts shaking that the GS is coming to look after your eartqake mashine
[18:31:26] <CaptHindsight> D5 = Basic plus .0025 = max. tap P.D.
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[18:32:40] <CaptHindsight> nah, my mass is a <200g
[18:35:02] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERrpxCfEkqc Moment of Inertia of a Disk
[18:36:20] <CaptHindsight> 100mm r
[18:37:09] <DaViruz> http://imgur.com/tNBDR30
[18:37:12] <DaViruz> ER blocks are neat!
[18:37:29] <DaViruz> though i could do with a larger vise..
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[18:42:31] <CaptHindsight> plus I always wanted to build a 24K rpm wheel balancer
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[18:45:03] <gregcnc> If it's mounted to a 2 ton rock you might not notice it even
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[18:45:30] <CaptHindsight> 20Kg of lime jello
[18:45:56] <CaptHindsight> I can a add grapes to change the density pretty easily
[18:46:01] <gregcnc> vibration isolation is OK too
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[18:46:42] <CaptHindsight> I'm also using Germany bearings so it should be fine ;)
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[18:46:56] <gregcnc> right, until it's not
[18:47:18] <CaptHindsight> but it's Germany bearings
[18:48:06] <CaptHindsight> most spin coaters only use a 400w motor
[18:51:02] <CaptHindsight> dynamic wheel balancers at the tire stores must only go to ~400rpm
[18:52:24] <maxcnc> CaptHindsight: madi in china sold via FAG Germany
[18:55:36] <gregcnc> what's the spec on a wheel balance anyway?
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[18:56:21] <enleth> just repeating an earlier question: where would I find descriptions for bitfiles provided in 5i25.zip, including the ones with weird suffixes, when the PDF manuals don't go into details?
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[19:42:42] <MrSunshine> there, both rails filed down to size and thereby the bearings ride even over the length, but still got some twisting problem in the X axis .. and i guess that is due to something being bent =) atleast 1 step closer .. now my runout on my ballscrew is at max 0.1mm (was like 0.5mm) and everything goes a hell of alot smoother =)
[19:47:49] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAmyZP-qbTE
[19:47:51] <_methods> i love box
[19:48:44] <CaptHindsight> does pretty good on snow
[19:49:33] <CaptHindsight> what will give them away if dressed and disguised in the load in your pants style of walking
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[19:53:48] <_methods> in a few years skynet will become sentient and use the video for justification for the annihilation of the human race
[19:53:58] <_methods> that and .............donald trump
[19:59:00] <MrSunshine> donald is doing a fine job
[19:59:21] <MrSunshine> duck that is :P
[20:01:37] <Frank__7> lol
[20:03:37] <CaptHindsight> oh come on, uhmerica needs another abusive precedent for the masses to stay comfortable
[20:05:01] <CaptHindsight> without any therapy how are they to cope with life when not in an abusive relationship?
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[20:09:44] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Retail Therapy... BUY NOW !!!
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[20:11:34] <Jymmm> _methods: What makes you think it isn't sentient already?
[20:11:55] <JT-Shop> wrist immobilized, ice pack applied, pain killers in the system... now the hard part... the waiting
[20:12:16] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Did you go blind too?
[20:12:43] <CaptHindsight> ouch
[20:13:12] <JT-Shop> no, I tripped on my slipper coming up the stairs this morning
[20:13:59] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ouch! I thought you were playing with it and sprained your wrist
[20:14:27] <FloppyDisk> question on custon_postgui.hal - If using RPM meter, I suppose you want to connect pins after the meter has loaded?
[20:14:37] <FloppyDisk> So you put in custom_postgui.hal.
[20:15:13] <FloppyDisk> But, if I have a USB joy-pad, that could be in custom.hal (before gui) because it isn't associated w/ the gui??
[20:15:40] <JT-Shop> yup
[20:16:10] <FloppyDisk> I think I randomly placed 'net' statements and some are in the postgui and that's probably not the 'right' place, although it works.
[20:16:36] <FloppyDisk> BTW JT-Shop, I think I copied most of that from you:-) gs2, joypad, but didn't pay attention where to put it.
[20:16:40] <Jymmm> Did anyone notice exactly how damn fast it actually picked itself up? 5 seconds...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rVlhMGQgDkY#t=135
[20:17:02] <JT-Shop> hal files are loaded in the order in the ini
[20:17:12] <Jymmm> 5s of video, but in just a split second
[20:17:51] <JT-Shop> the only thing that has to be in postgui is pins in the gui
[20:18:10] <FloppyDisk> JT-shop - perfect, I'll change that...
[20:18:15] <FloppyDisk> That's the RPM meter stuff.
[20:18:25] <JT-Shop> I'm amazed that I can type tis well with one hand
[20:18:47] <JT-Shop> I just cant speel wit one hand
[20:18:57] <FloppyDisk> haha - sorry to hear about that:-( No fun...
[20:19:19] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I'm trying to form an all robot ballet theater
[20:19:28] <FloppyDisk> BTW, I ordered the 7i80...
[20:19:47] <FloppyDisk> Oops 7i92..
[20:19:55] <FloppyDisk> I forget all the numbers...
[20:20:09] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: bike accident?
[20:20:31] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Here are some candidates for you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh1dNSu9ZSE
[20:20:54] <JT-Shop> lol tripped on my slipper
[20:21:13] <JT-Shop> FloppyDisk: its out for delivery
[20:21:31] <JT-Shop> oh wrong number
[20:21:45] <CaptHindsight> heh, hence the name "slippers"
[20:21:56] <FloppyDisk> JT-Shop - no - it does look like its out for deliver - fremont.
[20:22:20] <JT-Shop> oh yes too many windows open
[20:22:54] <FloppyDisk> BTW, I have worried that I would fall w/ my slippers and moving around the sink stool for the kids. I don't have large feet, but big compared to the kids and wife, they don't get 'things in the way' of slippers...
[20:23:25] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I am all for them at the DMV counters
[20:23:31] <JT-Shop> mine slipped 1/2 off and caught on the stair tread
[20:23:39] <JT-Shop> you go down fast
[20:23:44] <CaptHindsight> also for school administrators
[20:23:55] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: robotics driven cars HAVE been approved by the US DOT =)
[20:24:34] <Jymmm> aka google car
[20:25:09] <CaptHindsight> as long as I can still drive mine I'm all for them
[20:26:49] <Jymmm> by drive, if you mean speak your destination, then yes, yes you can
[20:28:04] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: they will probably start encouraging their use by raising the cost of insurance for meat based robot drivers
[20:28:44] <Jymmm> Nah, google is big, but not as big as insurnace copanies, yet
[20:30:01] <CaptHindsight> plus the Koch bros are anti electric vehicles
[20:30:16] <CaptHindsight> is there a self driving gas powered car yet?
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[20:31:16] <CaptHindsight> they could be programmed to waste fuel as well as drive
[20:31:20] <CaptHindsight> win win
[20:32:15] <Jymmm> robotic earth movers?
[20:33:02] <CaptHindsight> the trial attorneys also need liability in a grey area for self driving cars
[20:34:21] <CaptHindsight> or still placed on the meat space driver
[20:34:24] <Jymmm> same as letting your 16yo drive a car... "the owner"
[20:38:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUBISHI-MAZAK-SPINDLE-SJ-K-15-FLEX-GL50N-1994-200V-10000-RPM-1407M-mona-LMSI-/331685775761 are these Cat50?
[20:41:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Fanuc-Robodrill-Spindle-Unit-15K-RPM-/201528742466 US $1,750
[20:45:54] <CaptHindsight> this could make a nice low cost beefy router
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-5-KW-Shoda-Spindle-18-000-RPM-Motor-Router-VMC-CNC-Machine-Type-H/150998874170 $950 or best
[20:50:25] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: were you looking for a small lathe like this?
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tls/5463127208.html
[20:52:24] <gregcnc> No, something bigger and CNC already really. my retrofit is coming along now so I may not have to buy.
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[21:03:35] <witnit> gregcnc: which lathe do you currently have?
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[21:26:36] <CaptHindsight> _methods: got that tap shipped for free since UPS was a day late :)
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[21:29:28] <_methods> bah nice
[21:29:36] <_methods> how did you swing that?
[21:29:44] <mow> you'd think someone would say something isn't right... we better check this out
[21:29:44] <_methods> you call and bitch them out?
[21:29:53] <CaptHindsight> 2nd day air took 3 days
[21:29:59] <XXCoder> he just needed few guns and few other delaying tatics
[21:30:11] <CaptHindsight> and the ferret suit
[21:30:13] <_methods> so it's like pizza delivery?
[21:30:18] <XXCoder> ah yes that too
[21:30:20] <mow> wrong chan lol
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[21:39:50] <JT-Shop> I need to drill a couple of 0.041" holes 5/8" deep in steel on the lathe... any suggestions?
[21:40:41] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppYaWJXCHIw Lincoln Square Wave Tig 355 for $700, sounds too low
[21:40:50] <CaptHindsight> or a great bargain
[21:41:08] <JT-Shop> or stolen
[21:41:23] <CaptHindsight> no leads
[21:41:34] <CaptHindsight> but, try before buy
[21:41:42] <CaptHindsight> got to get it
[21:42:20] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:54:20] * Tom_itx gives JT-Shop some industrial steel toed safety slippers
[21:54:50] <JT-Shop> lol
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[21:56:34] <CaptHindsight> no cooler, no power cord, cables, gas regulator or torch
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[22:32:39] <enleth> just wondering - pncconf restricts milling configurations available to XYZ and XYZA - is there a particular reason, other than "it just turned out that way", it doesn't just ask for a number of axes needed to configure more with the GUI?
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[22:32:59] <enleth> *s/more//
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[22:36:34] <JT-Shop> the wizards are for simple configurations only
[22:36:40] <CaptHindsight> enleth: it's a work in progress, feel free to add more support to it
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[22:37:20] <enleth> sure
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[22:44:13] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/wTFsLsNPQhs
[22:44:15] <XXCoder> nice
[22:44:32] <XXCoder> well thats a way to use your cnc laser
[22:45:38] <XXCoder> thats hours of scubbing saved
[22:46:22] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to offer that service door to door
[22:46:33] <XXCoder> grills, oven trays
[22:46:35] <XXCoder> so many stuff
[22:46:42] <CaptHindsight> laser on tether in back of van
[22:47:48] <CaptHindsight> or a backpack
[22:48:00] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: depilation
[22:48:07] <CaptHindsight> rust and paint removal
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[22:48:17] <XXCoder> yeah that could be good money if you could get enough customers.
[22:48:54] <gregcnc> what is happening to the rust in those videos?
[22:48:55] <SpeedEvil> More seriously - I have advocated in the past LASERS + galvo to target dozens of hairs in a second - depositing the energy at the hair base, not all over the skin
[22:49:03] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc: basically exploding
[22:49:03] <XXCoder> gregcnc: vaporized
[22:49:15] <CaptHindsight> who wouldn't hire a guy with a laser backpack wearing goggles in any big city?
[22:49:42] <XXCoder> heh if youre seeking jobs walking around you'd get arrested.
[22:49:50] <XXCoder> "Laser terrorist captured in XXXX"
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[22:50:07] <gregcnc> are the doing something to control laser power or is frequency matched to rust?
[22:50:14] <SpeedEvil> gregcnc: no
[22:50:32] <SpeedEvil> It's just a scanned beam
[22:50:58] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: nah, you just say that you're from the future and that you got dropped here by mistake
[22:51:11] <XXCoder> lol
[22:51:26] <XXCoder> though I wonder if that wide beam laser is expensive or not
[22:51:44] <CaptHindsight> galvos are cheap
[22:51:56] <CaptHindsight> lower power galvos
[22:52:32] <CaptHindsight> the mechanism is just coils, but the mirrors can get expensive
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[22:53:14] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: I was assuming that ~10W should enthusiastically burn hairs - if pointed at skin surface in a focussed manner
[22:53:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20kpps-laser-light-show-galvo-scanner-max-30kpps-without-show-card-/181533050340?hash=item2a443685e4
[22:53:59] <SpeedEvil> Doesn't actually give an input power
[22:54:53] <CaptHindsight> that would work if you swapped the front surface mirrors
[22:55:16] <gregcnc> http://lasercleanall.com/products.html
[22:55:31] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: yes - possibly
[22:56:03] <CaptHindsight> https://www.thorlabs.com/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=890&pn=ME05-P01&gclid=CNOn3YrDlssCFQgaaQodu1cIpg
[22:56:51] <SpeedEvil> Ah - thorabs.
[22:57:06] <SpeedEvil> Where you go if your bank account has too many zeros and you want to fix that.
[22:57:18] <CaptHindsight> just for reference
[22:57:54] <CaptHindsight> leading or trailing zeros? :)
[22:57:55] <SpeedEvil> I suspect the existing mirrors are very thin though
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[22:58:03] <SpeedEvil> for low inertia
[23:01:48] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: when they ask you about what happens in the near future you reply with "the history from the early 21st century was soo stupid that it was outlawed by the year 2150 to even mention what happened
[23:02:00] <XXCoder> lol
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[23:05:33] <roycroft> oceania has always been at war with eastasia
[23:06:19] <Cromaglious_> CaptHindsight: ROFLMFAO
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[23:11:23] <evil_ren> roycroft: ++respect
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[23:18:13] <CaptHindsight> you wonder what Orwell saw in the late 40's while writing
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[23:19:04] <CaptHindsight> fascism was supposedly defeated
[23:19:24] <XXCoder> ideas can only be killed by ideas
[23:19:37] <XXCoder> or in least put to rest by other ideas
[23:19:41] <CaptHindsight> but stealthily returned by the 70's
[23:19:56] <renesis> no im pretty sure you can kill ideas with guns and bombs
[23:20:05] <XXCoder> nah
[23:20:05] <renesis> knives, if you really put enough effort
[23:20:15] <renesis> look man if a person has an idea
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[23:20:20] <renesis> and you delete him
[23:20:24] <renesis> idea is gone
[23:20:24] <CaptHindsight> stoooopid kills them
[23:20:32] <XXCoder> unless you kill everyone that even has conception, even if disagreed with it
[23:20:38] <XXCoder> idea is not killable
[23:20:47] <renesis> um
[23:20:50] <renesis> so you agree
[23:20:56] <renesis> that ideas can be killed
[23:21:07] * renesis wins
[23:21:13] <XXCoder> to a degree, yes but then no. you'd have to almost depopulate worl,dc
[23:21:24] <XXCoder> which means you have to include most women too
[23:21:28] <renesis> unless a person has not told many or any people
[23:21:43] <renesis> and has not recorded it in any way
[23:21:45] <XXCoder> good luck with internet
[23:21:55] <CaptHindsight> devolution
[23:21:56] <Tom_itx> or distract them away from the idea
[23:22:25] <renesis> ya im thinking there are millions of ideas that last about 10 seconds that dont even come close to getting typed out
[23:22:34] <renesis> anyway, its bullshit, ideas can die
[23:22:55] <Tom_itx> alot of good ideas have been bought and killed
[23:23:13] <CaptHindsight> trickle down economics vs snickers bar good
[23:24:19] <Tom_itx> you are trying to kill the idea that ideas can die
[23:25:06] <CaptHindsight> are there any new ideas?
[23:25:13] <CaptHindsight> unique ideas?
[23:25:29] <Tom_itx> there is nothing new under the sun.
[23:25:40] <XXCoder> thats title of book I own heh
[23:25:44] <Tom_itx> it may not have been discovered yet but it's there
[23:25:44] <XXCoder> was a college requirement
[23:25:48] <XXCoder> still havent read it.
[23:25:56] <CaptHindsight> Mr Solomon?
[23:27:59] <_methods> PetefromTn_: this welder is pretty kick ass
[23:28:10] <_methods> i suck but the welder seems to be doing pretty good lol
[23:28:30] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: author of book? maybe? havent even seen book for years now
[23:28:31] <Tom_itx> did you get a new one?
[23:28:48] <CaptHindsight> the Lincoln 355 is legit
[23:29:01] <_methods> i got one like PetefromTn_ has
[23:29:11] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: he was quoting from the bible, King Solomon
[23:29:23] <CaptHindsight> I refer to him as Mr.
[23:29:23] <XXCoder> ahh
[23:29:56] <Tom_itx> i doubt it was original with him
http://www.bible.ca/ef/expository-ecclesiastes-1-4-11.htm
[23:30:07] <Tom_itx> oh the king...
[23:30:11] <Tom_itx> well maybe so
[23:30:41] <CaptHindsight> after that whole baby cutting thing
[23:31:05] <Tom_itx> population control
[23:32:48] <CaptHindsight> it's at a fab shop, was only used by the owners mother on Sundays to weld SS sheet
[23:33:02] <CaptHindsight> at a fab shop anyway
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[23:34:07] <CaptHindsight> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/5461567649.html
[23:35:23] <minibnz> will you also need a chiller for that?
[23:35:42] <CaptHindsight> for higher current yeah
[23:35:50] <CaptHindsight> but me already have
[23:35:58] <minibnz> sweet
[23:38:53] <_methods> oh wow that's a nice rig
[23:39:03] <_methods> $800 is a good price too
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[23:40:57] <CaptHindsight> old school sinewave welder
[23:41:03] <CaptHindsight> ~600lbs
[23:41:09] <minibnz> my mate priced up a foot pedal for his tig welder.. the cheapest we could find was $750au... with him being good with metal and me being good with electronics we added a socket to the tig and built a pedal total cost of parts was $25au.. we also added a scale switch so now he can weld really fine things or really big things
[23:41:16] <PetefromTn_> _methods thats great man
[23:41:28] <minibnz> and your one has a pedal with its.. its a bargain :)
[23:42:07] <PetefromTn_> damn that is a good deal on the Lincoln
[23:42:47] <CaptHindsight> I think he just wants it gone
[23:42:57] <CaptHindsight> he makes more money by working
[23:43:09] <PetefromTn_> run down there and grab it man
[23:43:20] <PetefromTn_> you could make that back with a job or two on it
[23:44:40] <PetefromTn_> I love my L-tec tho but I would like to get a newer machine with full pulse,freq, and flow adjustments...
[23:45:06] <CaptHindsight> I already have everything else, torches, regulator, 300ft argon tanks etc
[23:45:48] <CaptHindsight> now to find a 2ga power cord :)
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[23:46:36] <andypugh> Did anyone see todays xkcd?
[23:47:06] <andypugh> A friend came up with a machine-tool variant.
[23:47:12] <andypugh> > Famous machine tool duos:
[23:47:12] <andypugh> > Adcock & Shipman
[23:47:14] <andypugh> > Smart & Sharpe
[23:47:15] <andypugh> > Jones & Shipley
[23:47:16] <andypugh> > Dean Smith & Chace
[23:47:17] <andypugh> > Sloan & Grace
[23:47:18] <andypugh> > Brown & Brown
[23:47:46] <XXCoder> blown & brown
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[23:49:03] <JT-Shop> wow I got the opto22 G4 fully populated for $60
[23:49:39] <enleth> minibnz: that's quite typical
[23:49:43] <andypugh> When you open the package it will probably contain a bobcat.
[23:50:04] <enleth> andypugh: a seasoned xkcd reader if I've ever seen one
[23:50:13] <andypugh> https://xkcd.com/325/
[23:51:32] <enleth> minibnz: tools/accessories for electrical egineers that contain some mechanical pieces are expensive, tools/accessories for mechanical engineers that contain some electronics are expensive
[23:51:45] <enleth> both are relatively simple to make if you're both
[23:51:55] <andypugh> (favouries are 123 and 386. Curiously both have “meaningful” numbers.
[23:53:10] <enleth> yeah, 386 is a classic
[23:53:53] <enleth> minibnz: just look at the prices of DRO kits - they're insane
[23:54:45] <minibnz> oh yeah DRO 's are rude.. i purchased three of the igrizzy scales and have built a USB inerface for it so i can get the numbers on my linuxcnc control panel.
[23:55:08] <minibnz> that cost me $150+25 for the usb stuff.
[23:55:34] <CaptHindsight> Shars has them on sale
[23:55:56] <CaptHindsight> I got 3 for under $90
[23:56:00] <minibnz> i am looking into getting encoders for my axis... but @$70each i want to see if i can do it cheaper...
[23:56:17] <enleth> I mean, the linear transducers *are* a bit expensive, but I've seen DRO kits for $1500
[23:56:17] <CaptHindsight> I posted the link earlier
[23:56:22] <enleth> and people buy that
[23:56:40] <enleth> the transducers might be worth $400 or something
[23:56:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shars.com/special-offers/monthly-sales-flyer?digital_readout_category=Linear+Scales
[23:57:08] <minibnz> the igrizzly's work pretty well.. but are too slow to use as a encoder/scale only 120hz sample rate
[23:57:09] <enleth> the rest is an enclosure, some wiring and some equivalent of an arduino
[23:57:45] <enleth> those guys easily make a 50% profit over the manufacturing cost
[23:58:52] <minibnz> i am looking at this sort of thing..
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5PCS-Free-shipping-360-degree-hollow-shaft-encoder-EC25-20-bit-code-switch/32256750817.html?spm=2114.01010208.8.4.GYZ1E8
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[23:59:26] <enleth> I'm not going to complain though - it's the same reason the servo drive in my bridgeport sells for solid $250, 2-3 pieces a month - people want to fix a machine that worked fine until the drive burned out, and don't have the skills to fit a new one
[23:59:28] <minibnz> thinking i might be able to make a nice slimline housing so i can mount direct onto the steppers without needing longer shafts and all that...
[23:59:30] <XXCoder> it dont say how many subdivisions it has
[23:59:41] <XXCoder> ah 20 bits
