#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-02-20

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[00:01:15] <witnit> the entire estop loops of those are on a standard which is heavily tested, with linuxcnc its based on various hardware and time factors which are not reliable
[00:02:37] <Sync> well, I had one of the plcs fail
[00:03:09] <Sync> also having seen how code review in SIL environment works, I don't trust them at all
[00:03:49] <witnit> 6:58:36 PM - Sync: Jymmm: you can trust software estops
[00:03:50] <witnit> lol
[00:04:24] <Sync> yes
[00:04:32] <Sync> just because I don't doesn't mean you can't
[00:04:37] <witnit> hjahjajhah
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[00:08:18] <Sync> it's actually not too bad, the pilz plcs are not too shitty
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[00:33:15] <Tom_itx> evening PetefromTn_
[00:33:33] <PetefromTn_> Evening Tom
[00:33:40] <PetefromTn_> howzitgoin?
[00:33:46] <Tom_itx> been busy
[00:35:04] <Tom_itx> AC crapped out last night
[00:35:09] <PetefromTn_> I managed to get all the cabinet doors machined
[00:35:22] <PetefromTn_> I also sanded the drawer fronts and for some odd reason
[00:35:32] <Tom_itx> i didn't know you were working on cabinets
[00:35:33] <PetefromTn_> they started weeping some kinda oily residue
[00:35:56] <PetefromTn_> I wound up having to buy some more oak material and remake the drawer fronts today
[00:36:01] <Tom_itx> not seasoned
[00:36:17] <PetefromTn_> they should have been they are the existing cabinets
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[00:36:21] <PetefromTn_> commercial made
[00:36:23] <Tom_itx> huh
[00:36:46] <PetefromTn_> I only had to make a few doors where we made some additional cabinets to match the others
[00:37:03] <PetefromTn_> they were also already finished clearcoated
[00:37:11] <Tom_itx> remodeling now that you're moving?
[00:37:19] <PetefromTn_> and I sanded them completely down to bare wood
[00:37:31] <PetefromTn_> we've BEEN remodeling since we bought the house
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[00:37:43] <PetefromTn_> these items are just what is left we agreed to finish in the sale
[00:37:45] <Tom_itx> well i guess that never really ends
[00:38:21] <PetefromTn_> anyways never seen a piece of wood that has been in a kitchen for over two decades get sanded down and start weeping a bunch of oil like that. Crazy
[00:38:38] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_: http://imgur.com/DdEaZ0l spindle encoder on the matsuura...
[00:38:57] <skunkworks> work in progress
[00:39:07] <PetefromTn_> looks like a gear?
[00:39:44] <skunkworks> it is :)
[00:39:51] <Tom_itx> did you cut the center out of it?
[00:39:55] <skunkworks> yes
[00:40:43] <Tom_itx> using a hall sensor?
[00:40:58] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/mAMWaKr WOAH!!
[00:43:21] <zeeshan> man
[00:43:24] <zeeshan> im so pissed the fuck off
[00:43:32] <zeeshan> fucking subaru
[00:43:47] <zeeshan> brand new short block is out of fucking spec
[00:43:53] <zeeshan> for out of roundness
[00:44:02] <Tom_itx> sue
[00:44:14] <zeeshan> on the cylinder #4 (the cylinder in which the common piston blows)
[00:44:23] <zeeshan> no im returning this garbage
[00:44:28] <PetefromTn_> man dacia is making some awesome smelling nachos tonight. I am getting HUNGRY!!
[00:44:33] <zeeshan> and asking them for a new short block
[00:44:36] <zeeshan> i paid good money for this engine.
[00:44:54] <zeeshan> =/
[00:44:59] <PetefromTn_> what if you paid bad money for it?
[00:45:04] <zeeshan> lol
[00:45:08] <zeeshan> that made me smile
[00:45:10] <zeeshan> thank u
[00:45:13] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[00:45:18] <PetefromTn_> sorry man
[00:45:26] <PetefromTn_> but hey...subaru ;)
[00:45:31] <zeeshan> please guys
[00:45:34] <zeeshan> dont buy subaru.
[00:45:44] <zeeshan> its a garbage company that is doing mass marketing to promote their garbage
[00:45:49] <PetefromTn_> never had one...probably never will
[00:46:07] <zeeshan> cyl #1 , 2, 3 are all within 0.0003" roundness
[00:46:18] <zeeshan> cyl #4 is 0.0016" out of roundess
[00:46:23] <zeeshan> spec is 0.00045
[00:46:48] <PetefromTn_> did anyone notice that MASSIVE PEACOCK BASS!! ;)
[00:47:40] <XXCoder> zeeshan: thats ~356% out of tol
[00:47:43] <XXCoder> jeez
[00:48:03] <zeeshan> lol
[00:48:07] <zeeshan> im sure it'd work
[00:48:08] <PetefromTn_> meh just hand file the rings a touch you'll be good :D
[00:48:09] <zeeshan> but it'd run like ass
[00:48:25] <witnit> PetefromTn_: photoshop ruins everything i ever had faith in, combine that with big fish stories and im hard to impress
[00:48:25] <zeeshan> but i paid 3500 bux for this short block
[00:48:28] <zeeshan> i expect it to be in spec
[00:48:42] <Tom_itx> zeeshan they didn't expect anyone to actually measure it
[00:48:44] <PetefromTn_> HOLY
[00:48:52] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: gear teeth sensors.
[00:48:54] <zeeshan> lol Tom_itx
[00:49:07] <witnit> Tom_itx: is not joking
[00:49:10] <PetefromTn_> you think it's shopped?
[00:49:17] <PetefromTn_> I know those bastards get awfully big
[00:49:35] <witnit> PetefromTn_: I just have trust issues man, I dont know
[00:50:08] <PetefromTn_> I don't know either but the pic is from a facebook kayak fishing page and the guy lives down in South America so I suppose its possibly real.
[00:51:01] <Crom> still compiling heekscad
[00:51:15] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=620-1328-1-nd
[00:51:42] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/ICk6e
[00:51:47] <zeeshan> the one benefit of this engine is it's light
[00:51:55] <zeeshan> i was intending to build it in my basement
[00:52:19] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, yeah i've seen those and may even have a couple
[00:52:39] <Tom_itx> zeeshan i'm building a ship in my basement :)
[00:52:43] <zeeshan> are you?!
[00:52:45] <zeeshan> pics!
[00:52:50] <Tom_itx> hah
[00:53:46] <PetefromTn_> he's building a Bullship in his basement ;)
[00:53:56] <XXCoder> thats easy
[00:54:04] <zeeshan> ROFL pete
[00:54:05] <zeeshan> nicely done
[00:54:08] <XXCoder> just ask a time lord for tech to expand your basement
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[00:55:54] <witnit> zeeshan: whos going to be covering the cost of labor for your troubles?
[00:56:18] <Tom_itx> and loss of vacation
[00:56:43] <Tom_itx> all those fond memories that never happened
[00:56:43] <witnit> I gave the intuit quickbooks support team some hell today.
[00:57:24] <Tom_itx> well they're probably used to it
[00:57:38] <witnit> horrible experience
[00:58:02] <Sync> o0 zeeshan
[00:58:15] <zeeshan> witnit clearly no one
[00:58:19] <zeeshan> fuck subaru
[00:58:22] <zeeshan> please dont buy.
[00:58:32] <Sync> that's like .04 non freedom units
[00:58:41] <witnit> I called alot of people from some far away land with funny sounding english idiots over a two hour period today.
[00:59:13] * zeeshan is typing the numbers
[00:59:14] <malcom2073> Fortunatly, being not free, they cant get any larger
[00:59:15] <witnit> I got the pissed off customer discount though which is nice.
[00:59:38] <Tom_itx> that's the shut you up discount
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[01:00:11] <witnit> yeah the discounts started happening when I asked to speak with their supervisors
[01:00:13] <Tom_itx> you should have held out for the wailing axe discount
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[01:04:52] <witnit> After the install it was forcing me to take a survey before It would register the software and allow me to open my company file. They didn't know how to respond when I asked them how much they plan to pay me for filling out their survey. Nor did they have a concrete answer as to what the survey would be used for.
[01:05:43] <witnit> asking things like what type of business I run and how many employees I have and If I use payroll services or not. Data mining at its finest as far as I can see.
[01:11:11] <PetefromTn_> Whaddya guys like on your Nachos?
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[01:12:04] <evil_ren> rice beans tacos and burritos, hold the chips
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[01:12:31] <PetefromTn_> how can you hold the chips when you have tacos?
[01:12:34] <evil_ren> or asada sopes w/o lettuce
[01:12:51] <evil_ren> why do you need chips with tacos
[01:13:05] <PetefromTn_> you don't it was a joke
[01:13:14] <PetefromTn_> taco shells are just like big chips
[01:13:16] <evil_ren> actually, i used to get chips with beans and rice at sharkys
[01:13:25] <evil_ren> oh i meant real tacos
[01:13:44] <evil_ren> not like, taco bell ground beef in a big tortilla chip taco
[01:13:56] <evil_ren> tho i kind of like the cool ranch ones there
[01:14:01] <PetefromTn_> I like some jalapeno's some black olives, some black beans, a bit of cooked corn and steak strips
[01:14:13] <witnit> you mean I been eating lies for all these years?
[01:14:18] <evil_ren> i guess jalapenos are okay for that
[01:14:23] <PetefromTn_> some chopped cherry tomatoes
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[01:14:41] <evil_ren> i usually dont like them because they dominate flavor and add not much heat
[01:14:54] <PetefromTn_> man it is smelling GOOD!! I am so damn hungry I think I might eat the whole damn thing ;)
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[01:15:10] <PetefromTn_> I don't put a lot
[01:15:28] <PetefromTn_> just a couple here and there I also like the banana peppers
[01:15:40] <evil_ren> banana peppers are not as bad
[01:16:00] <evil_ren> like they taste peppery but they dont dominate whatever youput them into
[01:16:25] <PetefromTn_> I had a friend I used to work with who had a huge garden and he would bring me fresh big bananna peppers and we ate them with lunch with just some salt on em. They were SO tasty
[01:17:15] <PetefromTn_> Dacia is making some mexican cornbread/meal too which I love with this
[01:17:31] <PetefromTn_> its like an ooey gooey cornbread that is sweet
[01:17:57] <PetefromTn_> I think I am making myself hungrier :D
[01:19:47] <evil_ren> oh
[01:20:03] <evil_ren> yeah i dont know what thats called, its good tho
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[01:26:12] <maZer`-> hi all
[01:27:24] <maZer`-> is here someone familiar with the tnc 151/155 controller? i have some problems and dont know how to solve :(
[01:27:25] <maZer`-> http://postimg.org/image/hjnigxkyv/
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[01:49:46] <Crom> anyone know of a way to generate scroll work or do I have to draw it out
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[01:54:15] <Crom> I'm changing my gutter across the back of my house and extending it from side to side instead of the short gutter it originally had. the thing is the new gutter is smaller so I need to put in spacer blocks. I want to put a bit of scroll work on the bottom outside corner of the blocks.
[01:55:00] <Crom> so my 'canvas' is 5.5" wide and 2.5" tall and it's 2x6" redwood
[01:58:31] <SpeedEvil> https://xkcd.com/95/
[01:58:33] <SpeedEvil> Crom:
[02:00:36] <SpeedEvil> https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=fflb&biw=1067&bih=666&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=scrollwork++&oq=scrollwork++&gs_l=img.3..0l10.4099.4099.0.4509.1.1.0.0.0.0.408.408.4-1.1.0....0...1..64.img..0.1.406.hki2kzvnO6E - of course there is always
[02:00:42] <Duc> stupid plasma table
[02:04:35] <Duc> why does it have to screw up on a paying job
[02:06:15] <Crom> SpeedEvil, yah... I'm looking for a generator, I can give a width, height, maybe some points for scroll centers
[02:06:59] <Crom> Duc, did you threaten it with a oxy torch before you started the job?
[02:08:05] <Duc> Crom: Im about to since it will cut two targets then need to rest for 45mins or it throws 0-30 code
[02:10:53] <Crom> http://www.123dapp.com/catch/Scroll-Detail/2405411
[02:11:02] <Crom> think I can work from that
[02:11:21] <Crom> what is that code?
[02:12:38] <Crom> Duc, is it stepper driver over heating heating?, the torch overheating, ...
[02:12:52] <Duc> the torch is having issues
[02:13:02] <Duc> Hypertherm Powermax 65
[02:13:25] <Duc> I need to contact Jim Colt about the issue but Im also trying to burn 1/2 AR500
[02:13:33] <Crom> good machine
[02:14:13] <Crom> just watched him on Stretch's Chucke2009 channel
[02:14:57] <Crom> hmm all cooling fans working? crap built up on the machine?
[02:17:03] <Duc> machine should throw a different code if its overheating
[02:17:13] <Crom> ahh 0-30 is consumables stuck
[02:18:06] <Duc> yep but leaving it for 45 mins fixes the issue lOL
[02:18:17] <Crom> hmmm water in air line?
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[02:19:59] <Duc> maybe unit has a water seperator which is empty
[02:20:26] <Crom> and you don't have another torch to play with
[02:20:40] <Duc> hand torch but does no good on table
[02:22:32] <Crom> hmm forum post here he pulled shield off and noticed some droll inside the shield, cleaned that and he was back up and running
[02:22:41] <Crom> s/droll/dross/
[02:23:00] <XXCoder> s/droll/drool ;)'
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[02:23:09] <Crom> lessdixlet fingers
[02:23:13] <XXCoder> that ' is a typo, but makes sense anyway
[02:24:43] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/q8s373lkdmlcqt6/Bore_Inspection.pdf?dl=0
[02:24:48] <zeeshan> lovely subaru cylinder results
[02:24:51] <Crom> Duc, http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/torchmate-cnc-forum/1028105-hypertherm-error-code-0-30-a.html
[02:28:11] <Duc> shit this could suck. Wonder which card runs that on a CandCNC controller
[02:29:16] <Duc> Not sure why I didnt search pirate some more. Im on there alot
[02:29:59] <Duc> wonder if its overheating
[02:34:10] <Duc> wonder if I still have a spare module
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[02:36:55] <Crom> Duc, have you tried the hand torch?
[02:39:37] <Crom> now trying to find out the logic of a 0-30 error code
[02:39:54] <Duc> its working right now again so burning a few targets out
[02:44:05] <bobo__> zeeshan: take a break and go pet the cat.
[02:45:00] <zeeshan> bobo__: olk=]
[02:47:34] <Crom> cat ran away, dog is too far away...
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[02:51:14] <Crom> cats back
[02:51:26] <Crom> cats gone again
[02:54:34] <Duc> wife's cat is mad at me
[02:56:15] <bobo__> and what did you do to P-O the cat ?
[02:57:53] <Duc> running plasma table
[02:58:08] <Duc> high pitch noise when running torch
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[03:03:25] <Crom> so it looks like a 0-30 code is thrown, when the sprung electrode doesn't spring back after a cut. looks like a whack on the torch might reseat it
[03:04:56] <Duc> even tried new parts with no change when I played with it earlier
[03:05:13] <Duc> brand new, fresh from the plastic package
[03:05:42] <Crom> clean lint free cloth and clean the inside torch body
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[03:09:42] <Crom> also it seems there is a factor of air to push the electrode out for something to do with the start spark
[03:10:33] <Duc> weird that it works after waiting a few minutes which points to electronics
[03:11:21] <Crom> you try wacking the torch after you get a code yet?
[03:12:49] <Crom> it's looking for a short circuit between the electrode and nozzle
[03:12:51] <Duc> let me see if its working again and if not then I will smack torch
[03:14:53] <Crom> if it throws a code, hooks up the hand torch and see it that works... if it does it points to the torch body. otherwise it looks to be a board issue... I'd start looking for cold solder joints
[03:15:02] <Crom> or loose scres on the board
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[03:15:15] <Crom> s/scres/screws/
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[03:16:18] <Crom> if they are using Rohs lead free solder. then theres probably your problem
[03:16:42] <Duc> hand torch I can start with the controller boards for the table
[03:16:55] <Duc> without disassembling the hand torch
[03:17:03] <Duc> cant
[03:17:05] <Duc> I mean
[03:18:43] <Duc> working againafter sitting for 10 mins with pm65 off
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[03:27:50] <Duc> Crom: smacking didnot help
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[04:15:12] <Crom> hmmm start looking for bad solder joints
[04:16:48] <Crom> so it would throw a 0-30, you'd smack it, then power cycle and it still wouldn't work. sounds like it's on the machine end then
[04:23:29] <Duc> It could be
[04:23:42] <Duc> Ill have to play with it tomorrow. thanks for the help
[04:23:46] <Crom> np
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[05:23:53] <voxadam> I had a strange thought while looking at the specs for one of the many ARM boards available.
[05:26:09] <voxadam> What are the chances that the integrated GPU would be able to transmit data over the HDMI audio with any sort of real time guaranty?
[05:28:24] <voxadam> The HDMI spec includes up to 8 channels of uncompressed PCM data with a depth of up to 24 bits at 192 kHz.
[05:29:18] <voxadam> Of course it's unidirectional and doesn't allow for retransmission but that's hardly necessary in a real time application.
[05:41:01] <Ralith> audio needs to be pretty realtime; hitches are really nasty
[05:41:26] <Ralith> there can be relatively a lot of buffering in surprising places, but in theory not in good quality hardware
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[05:43:00] <voxadam> Intersting.
[05:43:11] <voxadam> I wish I knew more about GPU computing.
[05:43:18] <voxadam> No time like the present.
[05:45:33] <Ralith> I'm not sure you can actually generate audio on a gpu
[05:45:37] <XXCoder> indeed. it is only one spot where past and future touches
[05:45:44] <Ralith> just decode it
[05:45:59] <Ralith> or maybe even just transmit it
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[05:53:44] <voxadam> Assuming that a modern ARM processor has enough guts to compute 3 or more axis worth of control curves on the primar processor all the GPU would be for is to relay the control data to the HDMI audio interface.
[06:01:52] <archivist> voxadam, remember control is two way for a better machine
[06:07:40] <voxadam> I realize that, I'm starting with one half the problem, if that's solvable I'll take a look at the encoder feedback to close the loop.
[06:08:22] <voxadam> It's too bad Apple ruined Firewire's chances years ago.
[06:08:39] <voxadam> It's RT performance was far better than even modern USB.
[06:08:45] <C_P-Away> Wonder how long till this gets flagged! http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/wan/5456127431.html
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[06:09:46] <voxadam> Sgrange.
[06:10:51] <voxadam> I'm confused by the specificity.
[06:17:29] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha
[06:18:39] <voxadam> Not to mention the vigor.
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[08:02:51] <Deejay> moin
[08:03:15] <newbie|3> 3 2 1
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[08:25:27] <pink_vampire> back to my normal nick.
[08:26:56] <pink_vampire> keep portland weird ^
[08:27:06] <pink_vampire> Deejay: ?
[08:27:12] <pink_vampire> gone!
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[08:36:22] <tiwake> pink_vampire: you live in portland oregon?
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[08:38:49] <pink_vampire> I used to live there
[08:39:09] * tiwake is in tillamook
[08:41:53] <pink_vampire> tillamook s on the beach, I was in the city!
[08:43:25] <pink_vampire> tiwake: ^
[08:44:09] <tiwake> yeah there is a lot of beach
[08:44:13] <tiwake> really annoying
[08:44:17] <Contract_Pilot> Yes, I keep it werid
[08:44:36] <Contract_Pilot> Weird
[08:45:01] <Contract_Pilot> Well they are all weired i am sane so i am weired to them.
[08:45:26] <tiwake> normal is just an average
[08:45:44] <Contract_Pilot> I just do crap like this.. http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/wan/5456127431.html
[08:46:12] <tiwake> heh
[08:47:21] <Contract_Pilot> Works...
[08:47:37] <tiwake> I'm looking for a car, not a compressor
[08:47:40] <Contract_Pilot> Thats how i got my Diversion 180 tig for 700.00
[08:48:01] <Contract_Pilot> + a bunch of other junk.
[08:48:17] <tiwake> https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/5450709471.html eyeing this guy but the guy is not responding to my email
[08:49:22] <Contract_Pilot> I have a Harley http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/mcy/5426330281.html
[08:49:48] <tiwake> you can keep it :P
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[08:51:51] <tiwake> motorcycles on the coast here suck 80% of the time... lol... cause thats how often its raining
[08:51:59] <pink_vampire> I'm trying to understand stuff about 3d printing, and no one can help me with that..
[08:52:49] <Contract_Pilot> Ok How about this... http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bar/5456197250.html
[08:52:59] <pink_vampire> CUTE!
[08:53:01] <tiwake> ooo
[08:53:13] <tiwake> its a propeller though XD
[08:53:39] <tiwake> I suppose to get a pilots license I'd need to practice on a propeller first
[08:54:01] <pink_vampire> Will trade for CNC Milling Machine and CNC Lathe Combo Only!
[08:54:04] <pink_vampire> ok
[08:54:11] <pink_vampire> G0704..
[08:54:18] <tiwake> personally I'd want something like a delfin L29 or however its spelled
[08:54:27] <pink_vampire> and get my Cessna 150
[08:56:10] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, even with a pilot cert the training envolved to fly one of them ouch...
[08:56:25] <Contract_Pilot> Cessna 150 Easy to fly...
[08:57:03] <tiwake> neh, the Delfín L29 is not going to need a special license or whatever
[08:57:15] <tiwake> its considered experimental I think
[08:57:28] <tiwake> tiny 2-seater jet
[08:57:35] <tiwake> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_L-29_Delf%C3%ADn
[08:57:43] <Contract_Pilot> Still a Jet
[08:58:43] <tiwake> might be able to get one for ~$80k
[08:58:52] <Contract_Pilot> Need a type rating..
[09:00:52] <Contract_Pilot> Type Rating
[09:00:52] <Contract_Pilot> Requirement:
[09:00:52] <Contract_Pilot> 1000 hours total flying time
[09:00:52] <Contract_Pilot> 500 hours PIC
[09:01:38] <Ralith> "airplanes appreciate in value" is this guy nuts?
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[09:17:42] <pink_vampire> I think I have more sensors on my machine than the rover on mars.
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[09:23:51] <Jymmm> But does it have a beer/coffee dispenser?
[09:24:37] <pink_vampire> I don't drink coffee or beer.
[09:24:45] <pink_vampire> but she can make tea.
[09:25:17] <pink_vampire> (drill cycle)
[09:38:03] <tiwake> beer and coffee are disgusting
[09:38:18] <tiwake> vodka and tea for the win
[09:38:53] <tiwake> also sleep time
[09:41:29] <Jymmm> bunch of freaks!
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[10:39:23] <pink_vampire> https://discordapp.com/invite/0oAimSwFHdSWZCUl
[10:39:31] <pink_vampire> I'm on discord.
[10:39:38] <XXCoder> and what is discord?
[10:41:13] <pink_vampire> discors is a voice based website (like teamspeak)
[10:41:24] <XXCoder> ok
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[11:11:17] <pink_vampire> ddf vs cdf
[11:11:30] <pink_vampire> what look nicer?
[11:11:49] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mreLx-t1HUA&feature=em-subs_digest interesting
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[11:15:54] <pink_vampire> did you also got the ad of sandvik?
[11:16:08] <XXCoder> on youtube? nah I use youtube center. no ads
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[11:17:59] <pink_vampire> youtube center??
[11:18:17] <XXCoder> its a greasemonkey script to change youtube a little
[11:18:58] <pink_vampire> cool
[11:19:07] <XXCoder> yeah love it
[11:19:15] <pink_vampire> the runout on the gear cutter ...
[11:20:46] <XXCoder> presumenly its not sensive to that
[11:21:10] <XXCoder> but yeah pretty large runout
[11:22:38] <pink_vampire> I need to finish with the for the ui.
[11:22:50] <XXCoder> the what?
[11:22:51] <pink_vampire> I have al the backend code
[11:22:59] <pink_vampire> UI
[11:23:23] <pink_vampire> user interface,
[11:23:25] <XXCoder> I know, but you said you needed to finish the (something?) for the ui
[11:23:36] <XXCoder> I know what ui is
[11:24:11] <pink_vampire> design
[11:24:15] <pink_vampire> lol..
[11:24:25] <XXCoder> ok
[11:24:34] <XXCoder> yeah its good to have design before making chips or coding
[11:25:05] <pink_vampire> I have the code that "run" that UI
[11:25:17] <pink_vampire> and I have also the design for the ui.
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[11:25:53] <pink_vampire> now I need to set all the sensors, and close some gaps in the code.
[11:26:12] <XXCoder> cool
[11:26:26] <pink_vampire> I think I have more sensors on my machine than the rover on mars.
[11:26:38] <XXCoder> lol
[11:26:51] <pink_vampire> I'm not joking.
[11:27:45] <pink_vampire> but archie pena help me.
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[11:31:16] <XXCoder> what or who is archie pena
[11:38:56] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAusnFPgOcA&list=TLih_q4TNNYQcyMDAyMjAxNg
[11:39:03] <XXCoder> great if you got a junkyard I guess
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[11:47:20] <XXCoder> hh that machines really junk but hes doing great with it
[11:56:02] <pink_vampire> W-T-F
[11:56:16] <pink_vampire> MEGA JUNK
[11:56:24] <XXCoder> it is
[11:56:38] <XXCoder> hes doing very good with it tough
[11:56:38] <XXCoder> though
[11:57:07] <pink_vampire> omg.. better to order some junk from ebay.
[11:57:31] <XXCoder> indeed but then if person is very poor could scounge junk from junkyard and make that
[11:57:34] <XXCoder> would be free
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[11:59:57] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3W3KqB3cJ4
[12:03:43] <XXCoder> that video made me sick as hell
[12:03:51] <XXCoder> roving camera, and vibration
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[13:21:26] <miss0r> I am pondering if it is possible for a novice tike myself to correct the guideways of my mill by scraping. I want the machine to be true again. is this something that is doable? or should I go in another direction?
[13:21:57] <archivist> I think its doable
[13:22:01] <XXCoder> I heard of using blue then using mill then remove it again, you would see marks where it wasnt true
[13:22:12] <XXCoder> but I know very little about that
[13:22:14] <archivist> but only if you can measure
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[13:22:50] <miss0r> I would probally need a granite surface plate to do so...
[13:23:20] <miss0r> and the table measures 1250mm
[13:23:33] <miss0r> by 250mm
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[13:24:02] <archivist> depends on the error
[13:24:21] * jthornton tries to remember the German guy that has the scraping videos...
[13:24:24] <archivist> remember you might just be fitting item a to b
[13:24:37] <miss0r> my issue is: I ran a dial on the longtitude, and measured 0.05mm height difference along the travel. I then tightened the gibs, and then I was having a hard time reaching the extremeties of the table.
[13:24:48] <archivist> miss0r, some light reading on the measurements http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJC/BK/BK3151/
[13:25:44] <miss0r> archivist: if you don't mind me asking: is this server of yours located under your bed? :)
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[13:25:54] <miss0r> on a dial-up modem ? (just kidding)
[13:26:11] <Jymmm> miss0r: string and cup
[13:26:56] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Styrofoam cup
[13:26:58] <miss0r> With absolutly no experience in this field: will this take forever?
[13:26:59] <malcom2073> and silly string
[13:27:46] <archivist> and if you can find a copy, get Machine tool reconditioning and applications of hand scraping E Connelly
[13:28:27] <archivist> that has lots of techniques in it
[13:29:49] <miss0r> as time is always an issue here (I became a dad two months ago) and this is only a tool-shop in the beginning of its lifespan, I don't want it to take up too much time. What timeframe am I looking at? just a rough number
[13:30:00] <Jymmm> archivist: 1955 ?
[13:31:01] <malcom2073> Heh
[13:31:06] <malcom2073> Scraping is something old retired guys do
[13:31:14] <malcom2073> :P
[13:31:24] <miss0r> malcom2073: well, it is still more accurate than a machined surface
[13:31:55] <archivist> Jymmm, yes it is about the best work on the subject out there
[13:32:04] <malcom2073> True, but it's normally cheaper to work those hours you would've spent scraping, and buy a replacement :P
[13:32:15] <malcom2073> Hence, the retired comment
[13:32:32] <Jymmm> https://www.scribd.com/doc/125118924/Edward-F-Connelly-Machine-Tool-Reconditioning-an-BookFi-org
[13:33:48] <archivist> its the sort of book you want the real thing :)
[13:33:48] <miss0r> malcom2073: true. but on a free mill like the one I have here, in a shop that makes little to no money(because theres not alot of work to be done), it might add ud refurbishing the machine at little cost vs. buying a new one for money I don't have
[13:34:47] <malcom2073> As long as buying a used replacement is more expensive than the time you spent, it's worth it
[13:34:56] <malcom2073> Once it gets cheaper, it's not :P
[13:35:18] <miss0r> i'm just worried about the amount of man-hours I need to spend away from the family doing it.
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[13:35:45] <Jymmm> miss0r: you mean man-weeks?
[13:35:51] <miss0r> and I have no idea how much time is required. I haven't even a grasp of concept
[13:36:10] <XXCoder> heh I need to ADD more man-hours to my machine. I'm slacking so hard.
[13:36:23] <malcom2073> Heh
[13:36:23] <miss0r> Jymm: or man-years - I have no idea
[13:36:29] <malcom2073> I haven't touched any of my machines in probably two months
[13:37:19] <miss0r> malcom2073: I think your machines might think they are in the clear by now... the way you 'haven't touched' them in a while
[13:37:28] <malcom2073> Hah they know better
[13:37:33] <miss0r> ^^
[13:40:01] <miss0r> I have this surface grinder: http://www.wotol.com/images/thumbs/800x800/1089503_8b409f97000033bf92eac786f3c2aa63.jpg I will trade it in for a smaller one :) that can actualy fit my shop
[13:40:11] <malcom2073> Nice
[13:41:17] <miss0r> yeah, but it is too big to fit in here :) I want a smaller one
[13:41:25] <malcom2073> Doh heh, that's unfortunate
[13:41:26] <malcom2073> that looks nice
[13:41:47] <miss0r> yeah, I have that 'model' mines in perfect shape, but it needs a good cleaning
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[13:46:26] <jthornton> I have this one, got it from a guy that didn't know anything about them http://www.mwmachinery.com/photos/3645.jpg
[13:46:44] <jthornton> he had the bearings for the table in wrong so it was tilted
[13:47:06] <miss0r> cute... i'm up for a trade :) Althou I fear what shipping the machines will amount to
[13:47:33] <malcom2073> Finding things local is nice for that heh
[13:48:02] <archivist> miss0r, sheet your up until you have extended the workshop to fit it in
[13:48:12] <jthornton> I had to replace all the metering valves for the oiler
[13:48:30] <miss0r> archivist: i'm afriad that will never happen. well atleast not within the next 10 years
[13:49:24] <miss0r> I just shot a small video of the shop - i'm working on transfering it to the computer now - should anyone be interrested in seeing it
[13:49:55] <archivist> never assume you cannot do something :)
[13:51:23] <miss0r> oh, its doable.. the question is: can it be done while having a working marrige? :)
[13:51:35] <archivist> I thought getting a CMM was completely beyond me, until I spotted one on ebay and no one bid against me
[13:52:03] <malcom2073> Heh, a guy told me a story about getting a mill in his garage. It was a bit too tall, so while his wife was away he cut a hole in the kitchen floor (above the garage), and put in an island, and that was what the motor poked up into.
[13:52:21] <malcom2073> Wife came home "Oh! You put in an island!" he made the mistake of having door in it, she opened it up and was angry heh
[13:52:33] <miss0r> hehehe
[13:52:39] * jthornton has 8 minutes left on free time so hurry lol
[13:53:15] <miss0r> I had to dismount the spindle motor from my mill to get it in the door. also I had to move a flurescent lamp of accomidate the total height of the mill. but I managed ;)
[13:53:30] <malcom2073> Yeah I had to remove my ram, and then remove the motor to get the ram remounted, but everything fits now :)
[13:53:46] <miss0r> jthornton: if you are referring to the video - I am transferring from the phone as fast as the connection allows
[13:54:04] <jthornton> aye
[13:54:43] <miss0r> hang on. I will go inside the house and use the wifi. that will be faster. back in a sec
[13:56:45] <Tom_itx> hey jthornton
[14:01:41] <jthornton> morning Tom_itx
[14:02:44] <Tom_itx> did you figure out your bitfile?
[14:04:00] <jthornton> yea cncbasher did it for me :)
[14:04:11] <Tom_itx> that's cheating
[14:05:54] <jthornton> I did sorta understand the bit file after a bit
[14:06:46] <Tom_itx> iirc the 5i25 have the header pinout in them as well
[14:07:12] <Tom_itx> for the DB25
[14:07:19] <jthornton> now I'm getting errors trying to install the linuxcnc deb in linux mint 17.3 I better try 17.2 to see
[14:08:43] <jthornton> although linuxcnc seems to be working ok
[14:08:59] <miss0r> bleh. it turns out transferring from the phone to the computer was the fast operation. At the moment I think it will still be another 15 minuts before the video is online *sigh*
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[14:10:10] <malcom2073> Most phones now can pop it directly online
[14:10:54] <miss0r> mine isn't 'most phones'
[14:10:55] <miss0r> :)
[14:11:20] <Loetmichel2> malcom2073: which is usually not making that much sense because of file sizes and upload speed
[14:11:44] <miss0r> or perhaps it is. I just suck at it. One would think I would be better at using the services on a phone, as I also have a side buisness doing setups and security for linux bases servers. phones often have me confused
[14:12:00] <Loetmichel2> i usually recode my phone vids to a new codec with about 1/10 the file size for same quality before uploading
[14:12:37] <miss0r> well, I do very little video recording. This is perhaps one thing I should look into at some point. who knows.
[14:13:51] <miss0r> I do, however, have a few snapshots of some completed projects on here: http://proto-design.dk/portfolio.html keep in mind they are old
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[14:15:28] <Loetmichel2> jthornton: do you mean nick mueller?
[14:15:39] <malcom2073> Loetmichel2: Get the youtube app, it encodes *then* sends
[14:15:41] <malcom2073> :P
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[14:16:54] <Loetmichel2> malcom2073: how long do you think it will take to recode a 5gb video to 500Mb on a dualcore arm with 1,6ghz?
[14:17:19] <Loetmichel2> as opposed to a core i/ at 3ghz and a gtx 960 to support that?
[14:17:25] <Loetmichel2> i7
[14:17:36] <malcom2073> No clue, if I'm gonna shoot more than a couple minutes of video I get something with a decent camera :P
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[14:18:24] <Loetmichel2> oh, that note1 has a good cam. 5Mpix. and a zeiss lens.
[14:18:34] <Loetmichel2> but only on bright days
[14:18:41] <Loetmichel2> (size of the lens)
[14:18:54] <Loetmichel2> in the dusk it makes grainy videos
[14:19:06] <malcom2073> Hard to get good low light video, takespretty good equipment
[14:19:14] <malcom2073> or pictures for that matter
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[14:19:26] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8083837371/review-nokia-808-pureview
[14:19:39] <SpeedEvil> yeah - you need to go pretty extreme to get even the semblance of low light performance
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[14:19:57] <malcom2073> Yeah I remember hearing about that, way more megapixels than the lenses are good for
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[14:21:29] <SpeedEvil> It's actually not that bad
[14:21:51] <SpeedEvil> It's got a very massive sensor for a phone
[14:22:26] <pink_vampire> hi
[14:22:46] <SpeedEvil> Plus - tightly resolving pixels gives you bayer artifacts
[14:22:49] * Deejay bakes cookies
[14:22:57] <malcom2073> mmm cookies
[14:23:03] <Deejay> selfmade cookies!
[14:30:22] <jthornton> here is a good snack http://gnipsel.com/recipes/snacks/pumpkin-treat.html
[14:31:18] <Deejay> hehe
[14:32:00] <Deejay> john, you are doing really everything, don't ya?
[14:32:19] <Deejay> beer making, wine making, food recipes, cnc stuff, software, ...
[14:32:27] <miss0r> hahahahaha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8NqeD73ZZ4
[14:32:50] <SpeedEvil> CNC beer
[14:32:57] <Deejay> hrhr
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[14:34:11] <JT-Shop> I do try and stay busy
[14:36:07] <Tom_itx> Chef JT
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[14:37:38] <Tom_itx> some code i'd been modding that i wrote long time ago had been kicking my butt all week to find out i had a corrupt index file messin with me
[14:37:52] <miss0r> wife and kids home. I have to run. will post video in here at a later time
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[14:37:54] <Tom_itx> back to catia now...
[14:44:32] * jthornton hears the breakfast bell ringing
[14:45:17] <Loetmichel2> hmmm
[14:45:41] <MrSunshine> MAX_ACCELERATION and STEPGEN_MAX_ACCEL .. whats the diff ?
[14:46:05] <Loetmichel2> its 15:44 over here... but atm i wouldnt complain if someone served me a nice set of eggs, bacon, sausages and scrambled eggs ... with an xxl latte macciato ;)
[14:47:04] <MrSunshine> learning how important lining things up is ... had a motor that was screwd a bit not straight .. it bent the whole screw to wobble like hell
[14:47:46] <MrSunshine> fixed the alinment and almost all wobble was gone (not perfect fix but as close as i could get it right now) =)
[14:51:21] <pcw_home> MAX_ACCELERATION is trajectory planners maximum acceleration
[14:51:23] <pcw_home> STEPGEN_MAX_ACCEL is the stepgen hardware or softwares acceleration limit
[14:51:24] <pcw_home> typically STEPGEN_MAX_ACCEL is set to MAX_ACCELERATION * 1.25
[14:53:22] <MrSunshine> hmm ok =)
[14:54:52] <pcw_home> The reason is that the low level stepgen software/hardware is actually in a feedback loop
[14:54:54] <pcw_home> and the low level parts needs to have "headroom" for the feedback to work in all cases
[14:55:20] <pcw_home> same thing applies to velocity
[14:57:57] <pcw_home> imagine the stepgen running at the machines maxvel and the feedback loop senses that its a bit behind
[14:57:58] <pcw_home> if the stepgen_maxvel is bounded to the machine maxvel, it cannot correct the error
[14:58:13] <MrSunshine> and that results in tracking errors ?
[14:58:19] <MrSunshine> following*
[14:58:25] <pcw_home> yes
[14:58:34] <MrSunshine> aight =)
[14:59:13] <MrSunshine> need to get the machine in working order again so i can start making stuff ... its been down for a good month now due to my laziness :P
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[15:01:54] <miss0r> jthornton: The video is online in 2 mins, if you are still interrested.
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[15:27:58] <Tom_itx> zeeshan!
[15:28:24] <zeeshan> tom!
[15:30:18] <Tom_itx> sent you a link
[15:32:04] <Tom_itx> what's up?
[15:33:11] <zeeshan> sec
[15:33:26] <jthornton> miss0r: I'll look at it in the morning
[15:34:07] <zeeshan> fancy parts tom
[15:34:07] <zeeshan> ;P
[15:34:17] <Tom_itx> good for learning
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[16:30:04] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/kitchener-waterloo/autorotor-cnc-indexer-4th-axis-for-cnc-mill-new/1141252921?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true#MapLightbox
[16:30:07] <zeeshan> anyone know whats going on here
[16:31:07] * Tom_itx wonders what zeeshan fell into
[16:31:32] <zeeshan> ive been looking for a rotary table
[16:31:33] <zeeshan> for the mill
[16:31:41] <Tom_itx> seems you found one
[16:31:48] <t12> that seems cheap
[16:31:52] <zeeshan> it is
[16:31:56] <zeeshan> thats why im wondering hats going on there
[16:31:58] <zeeshan> http://www.autorotorgroup.com/en/products/square-axis/camma-tamburo-serie-5.html
[16:32:00] <zeeshan> this is the system
[16:32:04] <zeeshan> i cant tell if it has a hramonic drive or not
[16:32:15] <zeeshan> i guess id have to make a table for it
[16:32:20] <zeeshan> or adapter to mount a chuck
[16:32:24] <Tom_itx> i doubt it the way the motor is mounted
[16:32:36] <Tom_itx> harmonic would normally be driven from the end
[16:33:06] <archivist> some are indexers, n position
[16:33:31] <zeeshan> so it must have so me sort of brake?
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[16:33:48] <Tom_itx> worm gear
[16:34:00] <zeeshan> ah can't be back driven
[16:34:01] <Tom_itx> i doubt if there's a brake
[16:34:01] <archivist> looks setup as worm
[16:34:04] <zeeshan> so how do they take care of back lash
[16:34:14] <Tom_itx> they don't?
[16:34:22] <zeeshan> so what is this garbage
[16:34:26] <archivist> adjust but still rattle not much
[16:35:00] <archivist> I have the manual for nikken and I know that is adjust
[16:35:09] <zeeshan> so you can get 0 backlash
[16:35:20] <Tom_itx> it would be better than the one i have
[16:35:22] <archivist> close to 0
[16:35:25] <Tom_itx> (none)
[16:36:48] <zeeshan> worth getting?
[16:37:00] <Tom_itx> if you need one i suppose
[16:37:46] <zeeshan> it seems like the perfect size
[16:37:51] <zeeshan> 5-6" diameter
[16:38:00] * Tom_itx places a bid
[16:38:04] <zeeshan> it also means if i run the machine in horizontal mode
[16:38:10] <zeeshan> it can be a tombstone indexer
[16:38:14] <zeeshan> and doesnt require a massive spacer block
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[16:38:17] <zeeshan> cause itself is a spacer
[16:40:03] <Tom_itx> wonder why it has so many holes in it
[16:42:02] <zeeshan> not sure
[16:42:07] <zeeshan> http://www.autorotorgroup.com/images/pdf/t15.pdf
[16:42:09] <zeeshan> when you look at the pdf
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[16:42:12] <zeeshan> it doesnt have a lot of holes?
[16:43:15] <zeeshan> im pretty positive i want this
[16:43:24] <zeeshan> shit plugs in to a 110v plug
[16:43:34] <zeeshan> luckily i already have the wires fo rit
[16:47:24] <zeeshan> im gonna feel so cringy
[16:47:29] <zeeshan> drilling and tapping my cnc mill table
[16:47:29] <zeeshan> lol
[16:47:49] <zeeshan> this is one of those tools which ithink it's worth doing for
[16:47:53] <zeeshan> rather than t-nutting it in
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[16:48:52] <gregcnc> That doesn't appear to be a machining type rotary table.
[16:48:57] <zeeshan> why not
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[16:49:18] <gregcnc> http://www.easomeng.com/pdfs/Autorotor-catalog.pdf
[16:49:46] <zeeshan> look at page 7of that
[16:49:48] <zeeshan> t15 model
[16:49:53] <zeeshan> axial load: 2420lb
[16:50:11] <zeeshan> radial is the same, bending force up 2800 lb
[16:50:15] <zeeshan> i think itd be fine for machining
[16:50:18] <zeeshan> dontcha think?
[16:50:33] <zeeshan> thanks for that pdf dude
[16:50:36] <zeeshan> page 8
[16:50:41] <zeeshan> repeatability: 0.0006!!!!!!!1
[16:50:42] <Duc> how is the slope on the unit or is it made for index and clamp
[16:50:43] <zeeshan> nice!!!!!!!!
[16:51:21] * Tom_itx places another bid
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[16:51:27] <gregcnc> are you just looking for indexing?
[16:51:28] <zeeshan> greg youre the man
[16:51:31] <zeeshan> no
[16:51:32] <zeeshan> live machining
[16:51:41] <Duc> where are you located again?
[16:51:53] <zeeshan> me? canada
[16:52:08] <Duc> what size do you need
[16:52:13] <zeeshan> 6" would be nice
[16:52:19] <zeeshan> duc this is pretty had to beat
[16:52:25] <zeeshan> it comes with a teco drive and motor brand new
[16:52:29] <zeeshan> thats by itself 1000 bux usd
[16:52:43] <Duc> does it come with a steady rest?
[16:52:50] <zeeshan> i am not using it like that
[16:52:53] <Duc> whats the link to the unit
[16:52:56] <zeeshan> im mounting it directly to the table
[16:53:01] <zeeshan> and running the mill in horizontal mode
[16:53:01] <gregcnc> where is the angular positioning spec?
[16:53:18] <zeeshan> greg that is it
[16:53:27] <gregcnc> no, it isn't
[16:53:29] <zeeshan> they give a repeatability spec of +/- 0.0006
[16:53:38] <zeeshan> at a radial distance of 2"
[16:53:39] <gregcnc> To the index position
[16:54:07] <gregcnc> it uses a cam to index the table, not what you use for rotary machining
[16:54:51] <gregcnc> for some period of servo movement you have no table rotation
[16:54:51] <zeeshan> ah so its not a worm gear
[16:55:01] <zeeshan> damn it
[16:55:11] <zeeshan> duc http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/kitchener-waterloo/autorotor-cnc-indexer-4th-axis-for-cnc-mill-new/1141252921?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true#MapLightbox
[16:56:03] <Duc> look into TSUDAKOMA on ebay or the candana version
[16:56:13] <gregcnc> their page 26
[16:56:14] <Duc> I just picked one up for 1000
[16:56:26] <Duc> low ball people and they would normally take it
[16:56:33] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151881166863?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[16:56:44] <zeeshan> nic dude
[16:56:46] <zeeshan> what size is that
[16:56:51] <Duc> find one you can set on the back so chuck faces up
[16:57:03] <Duc> 200mm chuck or 8 inches
[16:57:04] <zeeshan> duc the one im looking for
[16:57:09] <zeeshan> needs to sit 90 degrees
[16:57:15] <zeeshan> from the way it's sitting onthe skid
[16:57:20] <zeeshan> i want to use my mill in horizontal mode
[16:57:33] <zeeshan> so that table doesnt work for that
[16:57:43] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tsudakoma-RN-150-R-2-Dual-Head-Rotary-Indexer-Table-/361445680607?hash=item5427d765df:g:BwkAAOSwp5JWZuLt
[16:58:10] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TSUDAKOMA-10-CNC-Rotary-Table-Model-RNCM-25IR-/131556110317?hash=item1ea15aefed:g:4xQAAOSwu4BVo9Zu
[16:58:13] <zeeshan> need something like this
[16:58:31] <Duc> and just remove one of the units to keep as a spare
[16:59:47] <Duc> so why the horizontal position?
[17:00:01] <zeeshan> cause id like to do a tombstone style setup
[17:02:06] <gregcnc> people do tombstone in vertical mills all the time. depends on how big the parts are
[17:02:10] <Duc> so you have a horizontal spindle then?
[17:02:17] <zeeshan> duc i got both
[17:03:05] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/A1y9f
[17:04:15] <Duc> got a picture of this since I must be thinking of it wrong
[17:04:27] <Duc> ok makes more sense now. Im used to seeing the tombstone layinng on its side on a rotary table for a vertical mill
[17:04:52] <zeeshan> hehe
[17:05:45] <zeeshan> gregcnc: good job pointing on them cam
[17:05:47] <zeeshan> i didnt see that
[17:06:12] <Duc> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f21/59158d1348252947-vertical-4th-axis-rotary-tombstone-4thaxis.jpg
[17:06:23] <zeeshan> thats crazy :P
[17:06:43] <Duc> not mine lol
[17:07:23] <archivist> end is supported, not crazy
[17:07:36] <Duc> your horizontal spindle stronger?
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[17:07:43] <zeeshan> ya
[17:07:47] <zeeshan> more rigid
[17:08:06] <zeeshan> its quieter too :P
[17:08:13] <Duc> cat 50 or 40 looks like
[17:08:18] <zeeshan> 40
[17:08:18] <zeeshan> both
[17:09:08] <Duc> you may have problems with the side load while milling a tombstone
[17:09:23] <Duc> may need a 10 or 12in unit
[17:10:47] <gregcnc> what are you trying to accomplish? Will you really fit more parts than just putting them on the table?
[17:11:08] <zeeshan> gregcnc: one of the repeat jobs that i do
[17:11:09] <zeeshan> is those vapes
[17:11:30] <zeeshan> i could reduce the whole thing froim 6 setups to 2
[17:11:30] <archivist> fuglyvape mass production
[17:11:49] <zeeshan> archivist: i dont think they're fugly
[17:12:05] <zeeshan> especially after i see the money theyve given me :P
[17:12:12] <zeeshan> and how many of them are sold
[17:12:24] <archivist> cant polish a turd
[17:12:34] <Duc> money is money
[17:12:38] <gregcnc> how does the rotary help?
[17:12:56] <Duc> I would burn a dick on my plasma table if it was money LOL
[17:13:02] <zeeshan> lol duc
[17:13:03] <zeeshan> hahahahah
[17:13:15] <Duc> rotary table would reduce load and unload time
[17:13:41] <zeeshan> this is currently how i machine them:
[17:13:42] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/sONt5eL.jpg
[17:14:06] <zeeshan> actually now that i think about it
[17:14:13] <zeeshan> im not really reducing setups
[17:14:24] <zeeshan> because if i went to a 4th axis i would be machining one part at a time
[17:14:29] <zeeshan> instead of the 5 i do in a set right now
[17:14:30] <Duc> 3d surfacing all around
[17:14:35] <zeeshan> yea
[17:14:40] <zeeshan> but itd be one part at a time..
[17:14:40] <zeeshan> hmm
[17:14:59] <gregcnc> that's what I'm getting at
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[17:15:07] <zeeshan> so it doesnt really help
[17:15:17] <Duc> multiple spindle setup so you can walk away for 3 hours?
[17:15:28] <zeeshan> i do walk away for about 1.5 hrs right now
[17:15:29] <maxcnc> hi all from a stormy wet germany
[17:15:30] <zeeshan> per surfacing
[17:15:49] <Duc> but you still have to rotate them at some point
[17:15:56] <zeeshan> yes but that takes 5 mins
[17:16:11] <maxcnc> ;-) rotating tool is a good idee on milling a part
[17:16:12] <zeeshan> if i was doing one part at a time
[17:16:14] <Duc> still wasted time if you dont do it right away
[17:16:28] <Duc> and you have to be home for it
[17:16:29] <zeeshan> i got a buzzer
[17:16:40] <zeeshan> i dont run the machine when im not home :P
[17:16:44] <zeeshan> ill let it run overnight though
[17:16:54] <Duc> same thing
[17:17:04] <maxcnc> Question what is the best way to get longer tools to hobbyists
[17:17:18] <maxcnc> the normal spiindels alow only 60mm
[17:17:41] <maxcnc> i did not find any clamp holder for langer ones
[17:17:43] <Duc> how big is your table? you could have a tombstone with 4 of your setups of the 5
[17:18:03] <zeeshan> duc id be overhanging it
[17:18:24] <__rob> umm, for the best bearing holes I can get on a Tormach, presumably I am better off with a reamer then a boring bar, or even just an end mill?
[17:18:30] <Duc> but could you reach the part your machining at the time
[17:18:32] <__rob> can't seem to get repeatability with an end mill
[17:18:44] <__rob> well not the same fit each time
[17:19:00] <zeeshan> rob doing circular interpolation?
[17:19:03] <__rob> yea
[17:19:08] <zeeshan> see tormach is fail :P
[17:19:09] <zeeshan> sorry
[17:19:10] <zeeshan> haha
[17:19:11] <zeeshan> jk
[17:19:18] <Duc> _rob: reamer might be better for you or a boring head
[17:19:32] <__rob> yea, well I didn't have the cash for a Hass
[17:19:33] <zeeshan> a reamer and boring bar are pretty much going to give you the same quality hole
[17:19:42] <maxcnc> im off will maybe back later BYE
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[17:19:52] <zeeshan> but a reamer wins if the hole is too deep
[17:19:53] <__rob> love to have something with 0.0002"
[17:20:03] <__rob> but you have to get industrial stuff then
[17:20:08] <Duc> tough
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[17:21:11] <Duc> zeeshan: wonder if you could offset the rotary on the table so the part 180 from the spindle is hanging off the table
[17:21:12] <__rob> i'm looking to get all holes aligned on multiple parts within 1/500 "
[17:21:19] <__rob> +-
[17:21:29] <__rob> so should be possible with the tormach
[17:21:37] <__rob> I think
[17:21:39] <__rob> hope
[17:21:57] <Duc> does the tormach have steppers or servos
[17:21:57] <__rob> main thing is removing as much source of error as possible
[17:22:01] <__rob> steppers
[17:22:16] <Duc> fast travel or slow to the hole location
[17:22:30] <__rob> well I take everything slow
[17:22:47] <zeeshan> are you serious
[17:22:48] <zeeshan> it has steppers?
[17:22:51] <zeeshan> i thought it was servos??
[17:22:54] <__rob> no, steppers
[17:23:01] <zeeshan> is the lathe servo?
[17:23:04] <__rob> no idea
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[17:23:15] <zeeshan> okay hats down to tormach
[17:23:16] <gregcnc> so vertical rotary allows one part all sides, while you get 5 parts one side now
[17:23:20] <zeeshan> for holding decent tolerances with steppers
[17:23:36] <__rob> well, steppers are pretty good for repeatability
[17:23:45] <zeeshan> its not about steppers
[17:23:45] <__rob> just not flat torque curve
[17:23:49] <zeeshan> its the fact that its not closed loop
[17:23:54] <zeeshan> so youre not monitoring for error
[17:23:57] <Duc> gregcnc: he could use the same setup as now so 20 parts per tombstone
[17:23:58] <__rob> no, but if you dont push to hard and dont loose steps
[17:24:14] <__rob> which shouldn't happen, then steppers wont have a problem
[17:24:19] <gregcnc> that mill has that much Z?
[17:24:19] <__rob> as a far as I can see
[17:24:32] <zeeshan> greg theres no way
[17:24:35] <archivist> there is a limit to stepper accuracy
[17:24:43] <zeeshan> i can do it in vertical mode
[17:24:46] <zeeshan> but in horizontal it is possible
[17:24:56] <zeeshan> but the tombstone would be overhanging
[17:25:04] <zeeshan> that'd be kind of sweet
[17:25:04] <pcw_home> The lathe is stepper (but has decent resolution since its quite slow)
[17:25:07] <__rob> well 1 step is 0.001"
[17:25:36] <__rob> dont think steppers deviate from their taret step position more then maybe 10%
[17:25:39] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HAAS-4TH-5TH-AXIS-ROTARY-TABLE-INDEXER-5C-COLLET-/301795584129?hash=item46446b2881:g:ZyoAAOSw~bFWQiuY
[17:26:16] <__rob> dunno, does it sound like I am attempting the impossible to do this on a Tormach ?
[17:26:35] <zeeshan> duc lol
[17:26:37] <zeeshan> thats bad ass
[17:26:38] <zeeshan> but $$$$$$$$4
[17:26:38] <zeeshan> :D
[17:26:54] <__rob> so all mounts need to be withing 1/250"
[17:26:56] <Duc> its possible with the right approach
[17:26:56] <__rob> of each other
[17:27:01] <Duc> install a read out on the axis so you can drive it there manually
[17:27:02] <__rob> I've made a fixture
[17:27:06] <zeeshan> rob i dont see why not
[17:27:23] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HAAS-FOUR-HEAD-4th-AXIS-5C-17-PIN-ROTARY-INDEXER-CONTROLLER-5C-S5C-HA5C-WORKS-/281756769020?hash=item419a031afc:g:lwAAAOSwd0BVsS6z
[17:27:25] <archivist> __rob, you were on about mm yesterday
[17:27:25] <Duc> much cheaper
[17:27:42] <__rob> archivist, I'm converting on the fly :)
[17:27:54] <__rob> got google open beside me
[17:27:56] <__rob> :)
[17:28:21] <__rob> so yea, +-0.05mm is the maximum axial
[17:28:29] <__rob> uhh, radial
[17:28:41] <__rob> which is just about 1/500 inch
[17:29:24] <Duc> so you need a tolerance of .002in
[17:29:38] <__rob> +- yea
[17:29:50] <gregcnc> http://www.tormach.com/product_pcnc_performance.html
[17:29:52] <__rob> done a few holes on the fixture, not sure a 6.35" end mill a circular interpolation is cutting it for a 9mm hole
[17:29:58] <Duc> much easier to understand then 1/500
[17:30:08] <__rob> ok
[17:30:34] <__rob> so yea, looking at interpolating to 0.25mm under
[17:30:38] <__rob> then reaming it
[17:30:55] <__rob> reaming the fixture holes for 4mm dowels worked really nicely
[17:30:55] <Duc> or drill then ream to save time
[17:31:33] <Duc> drill undersized by .010 - .015 then ream
[17:31:37] <pink_vampire> just 72 sensors inputs
[17:32:01] <__rob> Duc, there is a flip involved in the part too btw
[17:32:19] <__rob> and alignment extrusions/pockets for the next part to attach on
[17:32:46] <__rob> so obviously multiple bearings needing to align over multiple parts
[17:33:05] <__rob> this was what Archivist/_methods suggested making a fixture for
[17:35:09] <__rob> all is based on this datasheet, http://i.snag.gy/WelUg.jpg
[17:35:42] <__rob> so thats what I need to achieve
[17:36:34] <Duc> what does it do
[17:36:38] <__rob> encoder disc
[17:39:18] <__rob> almost wonder if I should try and drill, bore and ream the parts as a set
[17:39:42] <Duc> maybe
[17:39:44] <archivist> inline ream as a final op
[17:40:03] <__rob> only problem is the bearing mount has a flange
[17:40:08] <__rob> guess I could get flanged bearings tho
[17:40:21] <__rob> yea, mabye that is the way forward, if this doesn't work
[17:40:29] <archivist> you can cheat and put on a washer to locate
[17:40:47] <__rob> how so ?
[17:40:50] <__rob> where does the washer go
[17:40:50] <archivist> no flanges needed at all then
[17:41:11] <archivist> outer surface of plate
[17:41:35] <__rob> ahh, ok
[17:42:02] <archivist> something I was cleaning up this week just used two bolts to hold the outer in the plate
[17:42:40] <__rob> was thinking a small setscrew bit above and below the washer would do
[17:43:34] <__rob> right, sounds like a plan, but you guys think the above should be otherwise achievable on this machine looking at that datasheet?
[17:43:53] <__rob> dont want to waste my time if in even an experts hands i'm barking up the wrong tree
[17:44:30] <gregcnc> is there anything that sets the position of the encoder head other than the two screw holes?
[17:44:37] <__rob> nope
[17:45:01] * Jymmm gives gregcnc THE SHAFT!
[17:45:02] <__rob> the disc is also on 2 90 degree set screws
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[17:51:58] <archivist> __rob, how many bearings in line
[17:52:03] <__rob> 3
[17:52:31] <archivist> are two very close to each other
[17:52:45] <__rob> they are all 30mm apart
[17:54:20] <archivist> bearings in line are a cause of shaft breakage unless accurately done
[17:54:32] <archivist> ream
[17:55:22] <__rob> ok, I guess if I have all parts ready, and then dont move the X,Y, just push fit onto the fixture and ream
[17:55:46] <__rob> thats gonna be as close as I can get with out drilling them and reaming as a single block
[17:56:08] <__rob> should be no zeroing issues etc.. if they are all done 1,2,3
[17:56:15] <__rob> at same time
[17:56:33] <__rob> feeling better about this :)
[17:56:54] <archivist> or put shaft in then tighten outer frame screws
[17:57:40] <__rob> yea, there isn't really any play on the outer frame keys and pockets
[17:57:44] <__rob> pretty solid fit
[17:58:05] <__rob> maybe should make that with a bit of movement then let the shaft sort it out
[17:58:08] <__rob> and tighten
[17:58:43] <archivist> you will feel any binding when it is assembled
[17:58:51] <gregcnc> is the middle bearing necessary?
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[18:02:33] <__rob> well no
[18:02:46] <__rob> was hoping it would keep things aligned vertically
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[18:03:07] <__rob> guess it shouldn't make any difference if the bearing holes are right
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[18:33:22] <aventtini6> hello guyss
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[18:39:35] <Duc> hello
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[19:52:23] <HoloPed> hey guys
[19:52:42] <HoloPed> is there a decent free tool for converting vector into gcode?
[19:52:44] <HoloPed> for laser etching
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[20:25:02] <os1r1s> HoloPed Heekscad/heekscnc
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[21:54:01] <Roguish_> PCW or pcw_home: the 5i20 and 22 have jumper to set voltage to the 50 pin connectors. I want to supply external voltage to my breakout boards for the connectors. should I remove the jumper completely? I don't want external voltage going into the board.
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[22:01:27] <Simonious> What does: N30 T1 M6 mean?
[22:02:10] <gregcnc> T1 calls tool no.1 M6 calls tool change
[22:03:14] <Simonious> Yeah.. thank you
[22:03:31] <anomynous> calls tool cahnge macro
[22:03:32] <anomynous> :D
[22:05:19] <Roguish_> anomynous: nuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/ see M codes
[22:05:20] <pcw_home> Roguish_: if they are our breakout boards the breakout board will have a jumper to select cable power
[22:05:21] <pcw_home> if cable power is not selected, the cable power pin does not connect to the breakout power
[22:06:10] <anomynous> Roguish_, did i say wrong?
[22:06:11] <Deejay> gn8
[22:06:29] <Roguish_> pcw. ok. my breakout boards are simple, but have terminals for pins 49 and 50 on a seperate connector for power input
[22:07:02] <Roguish_> as well as the standard terminals for 1 thru 48
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[22:07:37] <Roguish_> anonmynous. no just there is good documentation for the Gcodes.
[22:09:24] <Roguish_> pcw_home. ok. i thought so. I will leave the 5i22 jumpers (1,4,7,10) open.
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[22:30:12] <HoloPed> oh hai there os1r1s
[22:30:13] <HoloPed> thanks
[22:30:56] <os1r1s> HoloPed Its free and I believe OS
[22:31:15] <os1r1s> Last I looked it didn't interact too well with other programs. But it should be able to import ok
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[23:14:37] <Crom> Wow Allindustrial is fast! I got my MT2-JT2 tanged arbor already., them being next county over probably helps too
[23:21:38] <Crom> HoloPed, straight 2d laser cutting inkscape and turnkey extension
[23:22:21] <HoloPed> Crom, thanks
[23:22:22] <HoloPed> I'll check it out
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[23:26:45] <robin_sz> evening
[23:27:39] <kengu> night
[23:27:51] <robin_sz> If you are bored ... there is some (tedious) footage of my linux controlled router doing its stuff
[23:28:27] <robin_sz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvojPh7LZkI
[23:28:41] <robin_sz> hacking through 6mm ally
[23:31:28] <robin_sz> and if you are REALLY bored ...
[23:32:18] <malcom2073> robin_sz: Nice, details on the router?
[23:32:29] <malcom2073> I like the duct tape chip guard heh
[23:32:34] <robin_sz> commercial router
[23:32:40] <robin_sz> Vytek Rebel2
[23:32:53] <robin_sz> the control shat itself
[23:33:18] <malcom2073> Ah good sized one
[23:33:18] <robin_sz> 8x4 with a 7hp spindle
[23:33:24] <malcom2073> Really good sized heh
[23:33:31] <malcom2073> Hell of a spindle
[23:34:10] <robin_sz> its actually got all the pneumatics for auto tool release, and sensors for tool holder locking/ejection
[23:34:25] <robin_sz> so it needs a full ATC adding really
[23:34:39] <malcom2073> Nice, ATC is convenient
[23:34:55] <robin_sz> at the moment I just press a button and swap the toolholders by hand
[23:36:06] <robin_sz> it would have been nice if the machine was 12x4 but I can make do
[23:36:26] <malcom2073> That's pretty long and thin
[23:36:42] <malcom2073> Oh x4 heh misread
[23:36:56] <malcom2073> I've heard 5x10 is one of the better sizes
[23:38:52] <robin_sz> I have 5x10 multicam
[23:39:04] <robin_sz> but thats at a different location
[23:39:23] <robin_sz> its a common size in the USA, but not so popular in the UK
[23:39:32] <Crom> 5x10 or 5x16 are great sizes, 5x22 is also real nice since it'll take a a full 48"x20' sheet
[23:39:52] <robin_sz> 4x12 is a common size for aero stuff
[23:40:48] <robin_sz> 6061-T6 and 2024-T3 commonly come in 12x4
[23:40:57] <malcom2073> Makes sense
[23:40:58] <Crom> I want to build a slant bed 5x10 for my garage
[23:41:21] <robin_sz> slant bed could work if you had enough vacuum
[23:41:56] <XXCoder> if you has plenty air you can create plenty vacuum
[23:42:00] <XXCoder> bit ironic
[23:42:26] <robin_sz> you woudl struggle to generate the flow rates needed
[23:42:46] <robin_sz> but, yeah, you could do it
[23:43:02] <robin_sz> I use a 10hp side channel pump
[23:43:05] <robin_sz> its OK
[23:44:53] <robin_sz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vugp9ago7b3dp8q/DSC_0055.jpg?dl=0
[23:45:43] <robin_sz> I guess it is around 2 foot in diameter
[23:45:50] <malcom2073> Nice
[23:45:54] <robin_sz> ebay :)
[23:46:08] <robin_sz> I actually bought a 7.5 hp for £150
[23:46:22] <robin_sz> and 2 days later found this one on there for £175
[23:49:54] <malcom2073> Good find
[23:51:29] <robin_sz> yep, I'd say it does around 600 to 700mbar with a typical sheet of material with cuts in it ... and 3/4" MDF as a base board
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