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[00:24:20] <JT-Shop> 32768, my favorite AB PLC number
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[01:40:25] * Tom_itx wonders if JT-Shop got his bitfile built
[02:00:05] <yasnak> Man, I think I've completely lost my mind. Trying to do a simple taper on a wire EDM. Not an EDM guy, but sounds simple...yet fanuc's methods make no senseeee
[02:00:47] <yasnak> Instead of doing a simple 12 degree taper the thing tries to make a 4-axis taper with paths coming from god knows where. I wonder if the control needs read-ahead shut off...
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[02:18:19] <toastydeath> yasnak, how's it being programmed
[02:18:33] <toastydeath> i mean fundamentally a wire EDM is exactly that and they're not often programmed by hand
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[03:12:17] <yasnak> here...
[03:17:10] <yasnak> crap, I'll a PM in the morning with it. It has this code M15 P1, turning standard taper on. Okay cool, so then I lead on, call the taper comp out at M51/m52 and feed calling a T12.0 (angle). Then next line is the move, so g1 y-0.1, should clear the face of the part. next I lead off while calling the taper comp off m50. Simple and basic. Except the machine does nothing of that sort and runs two different profiles for the top and bottom of the angle.
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[03:29:40] <PetefromTn_> Well I managed to plastic weld my welding helmet's broken headband strap. seems to be holding okay...
[03:30:13] <roycroft> that is totally the wrong approach
[03:30:21] <roycroft> duct tape is the american solution!
[03:30:25] <Tom_itx> been coding and drawing cad files most of the day
[03:30:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah I don't fancy duct tape on something I will wear on my face LOL
[03:32:33] <PetefromTn_> I was pretty used to that Snapon helmet and it is definitely a better one but this kobalt helmet is actually pretty decent. I did some practice tig welding earlier when I finished the repair.
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[03:37:14] <Jymmm> Running around saying "I am your father Luke" while wearing a helmet is NOT practicing... mkay!
[03:37:45] <PetefromTn_> no but sticking together some stainless fittings is Mkay?
[03:38:00] <Jymmm> ABSOLUTELY =)
[03:39:30] <PetefromTn_> Got some good news today
[03:39:58] <PetefromTn_> my wife was offered a good job from the same people she used to work for down in Florida...
[03:40:51] <Jymmm> phuk *sigh*... got my replacement trackball in today. ball rolls like water on glass like it used to, but now the buttons on one side "triple click"; first click is like the plastic scraping, then the microswitch. ANNOYING AS HELL!!! Took apart three times already, no swarf residue, it's all the mechanical fit (or lack there of) out of the mold injection machine =(
[03:41:01] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: ah very cool =)
[03:41:17] <PetefromTn_> that sucks
[03:41:24] <PetefromTn_> is it an expensive one?
[03:41:45] <Jymmm> Kinda.... Kensington slimblade
[03:42:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah she is even apparently getting a raise LOL
[03:42:32] <Jymmm> Her predicessor musta mucked up
[03:42:37] <PetefromTn_> I found several places down there that build custom cars and boats so I am going to start contacting them to see if they need any help...
[03:45:44] <PetefromTn_> I tell ya moving across state lines with a bunch of equipment is pretty stressful..
[03:46:13] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: That's good news! Did I read earlier that you found a place for your machines too?
[03:46:53] <PetefromTn_> well I have a place to store them yes but the guy wants a bit more than I think is fair for it.
[03:47:23] <malcom2073> doh
[03:48:15] <PetefromTn_> its a bit daunting all that I need to do here but we are chipping away at it.
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[03:57:41] <bobo__> Pete just wondering what is the storage place wanting in $/Sq Ft ?
[03:58:05] <PetefromTn_> its not based on size.
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[03:58:54] <PetefromTn_> the guy has a large warehouse where he stores cars motorcycles and boats and he wants like 250 a month. that seems kinda excessive for a space that is essentially 10x10
[03:58:58] <Jymmm> That's NOT what she said
[03:59:37] <Jymmm> So $25/sf
[04:00:13] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: So just store it all in free swamp land.... "What could go wrong?"
[04:00:51] <malcom2073> Pete in 2 months:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cGbtUqMLWTo/hqdefault.jpg
[04:00:59] <PetefromTn_> Dacia called a couple storage places today and they have similar sized units for like 150 or 175 but there is a question about accessibility
[04:01:12] <PetefromTn_> gee thanks
[04:01:18] <Jymmm> malcom2073: That's not right man...
[04:01:26] <Jymmm> malcom2073: (96 hurs... tops)
[04:01:33] <Jymmm> hours*
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[04:03:15] <Jymmm> and the glob in front of him is this damn trackball
[04:04:02] <PetefromTn_> with my luck that is about where our house will be down there.
[04:05:00] <bobo__> malcom2073 looks like someone had some bad cheese cake
[04:06:07] <PetefromTn_> naah just some bad news is all. but I would rather not get into it here.
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[04:07:07] <malcom2073> heh
[04:07:12] <Jymmm> the mud pic is bad news?
[04:08:27] <PetefromTn_> I wish that was the bad news heh
[04:09:05] <PetefromTn_> well take it easy folks. Gn8
[04:09:11] <bobo__> Oh come on Pete . We are your support group . lay your burden on us
[04:09:16] <Jymmm> Unless it involves skimpy bikini clad females, mud is usually not a good thing
[04:09:39] <PetefromTn_> naah I appreciate it but I honestly talk too much around here as it is ;)
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[04:11:07] <Jymmm> Think he's just getting overwhelmed by it all?
[04:11:52] <Jymmm> moving can just be so daunting
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[04:13:32] <bobo__> hope he didn't get a call from the moving truck people
[04:13:49] <Jymmm> oh gawd, that would suck
[04:14:10] <bobo__> U-haul people
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[04:14:35] <Jymmm> I just hope that I didn't jinx him on that
[04:14:53] <bobo__> you didn't
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[04:17:37] <Jymmm> bobo__: Pete will be the judge of that! lol
[04:17:48] <bobo__> Jymmm got enough fire wood to last this season ? going to think about some coal for emergency
[04:18:52] <bobo__> Pete may be the judge but we are the hanging jury
[04:20:55] <bobo__> Jymmm so relax and back to knot tying practice
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[05:35:52] <Crom> stlls
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[06:13:45] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: is black in stock now?
[06:23:56] <Crom> ok just install the linuxcnc 2.7 iso onto the computer for the 3040
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[06:26:20] <Crom> musical mice...
[06:26:53] <Crom> now to find the unity mouse to go with the keyboard.. ugh.,..
[06:40:13] <Erant> Djeez.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/5453815471.html
[06:40:18] <Erant> That thing is NOT worth $2k.
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[07:03:18] <Erant> Also, I bought some iGaging calipers for $40. Holy shit, those are actually pretty good!
[07:04:38] <Erant> I mean, they're not Mitutoyo calipers. But compared to the shitty HF one I had, this one feels solid, it repeats, there's no wiggle room. It's an absolute caliper, always returns to 0. I like it. For people on a budget like me, totally a good set of calipers.
[07:05:19] <Erant> CR2032 battery too, instead of SR44
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[07:10:08] <Jymmm> igaging?
[07:10:16] <Jymmm> from apple? lol
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[07:13:04] <Erant> Heh, yeah, surprised they haven't sued.
[07:13:35] <Erant> But no,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/iGaging-Absolute-Origin-Cal-6-150-mm-Digital-Calipers-IP54-Stainless-Steel-/131179870534
[07:13:50] <Erant> I read a couple of reviews, watched a few YouTube clips about it.
[07:14:00] <Erant> Everybody's quite surprised with the build quality
[07:14:18] <Erant> It's hefty too.
[07:15:07] <Jymmm> I kinda like the idea of 3" digital caalipers
[07:15:38] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/75mm-3-Pocket-Digital-Caliper/dp/B00DS9IH14
[07:15:57] <Jymmm> I think andy or anon uses/likes them
[07:16:26] <Erant> Interesting. For that size though, I think I'd rather use a micrometer.
[07:16:27] <Jymmm> maybe not THAT one specific I linked to, but 3" in general.
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[07:16:55] <Jymmm> toss in pocket, easy to grab, fit in tight places.
[07:17:07] <Erant> I guess it would fit in tight places better than a mike
[07:17:48] <Jymmm> can even toss in shirt pocket
[07:17:59] <Jymmm> without poking your eye out kid
[07:18:18] <Erant> Always important
[07:19:01] <Jymmm> theres a 4" igaging one too it seems
[07:19:23] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K3PZXMW/
[07:19:51] <Jymmm> 6" with USB
[07:21:37] <Jymmm> Although, regular lenght calipers could make them easier to find =)
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[07:57:22] <Deejay> moin
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[08:00:04] <pink_vampire> hi
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[08:03:52] <pink_vampire> Erant: the caliper that you link to it is the old model - I have the with with the fraction, and also the usb cable - work soo good!
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[08:20:07] <Contract_Pilot> Long time
[08:20:14] <Contract_Pilot> been busy busy
[08:26:50] <Crom> nice calipers! I'm gonna have to get a set of those!
[08:26:57] <Crom> and the USB cable
[08:28:59] <Crom> sheeshz the cable is 2x the prive of the calipers
[08:29:04] <Crom> sheeshz the cable is 2x the price of the calipers
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[09:01:57] <pink_vampire> some know about joint with some freedom on all axis?
[09:02:06] <pink_vampire> someone*
[09:04:26] <archivist> ball joint
[09:05:25] <pink_vampire> I need to connect motor to it..
[09:05:46] <archivist> also known as rose joint
[09:07:24] <pink_vampire> I need about 3 mm of movement along the shaft axis, and about 1 mm of run out (on purpose)
[09:08:31] <archivist> you probably want two joints in series
[09:09:20] <archivist> or a bellows
[09:09:38] <pink_vampire> telescopic coupling and spring?
[09:10:45] <archivist> bellows are telescopic
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[09:11:31] <archivist> spline is better for single axis sliding
[09:14:42] <Crom> anyone running heekscad on ubuntu lts 14.04?
[09:15:18] <pink_vampire> the bellows look much better
[09:16:30] <pink_vampire> now I need to find one that need less than 10N of force to compress
[09:17:25] <pink_vampire> thanks archivist !! <3
[09:19:51] <archivist> how much force how often, bellows have limits
[09:30:05] <archivist> according to him I can open doors tomorrow to let the warm in
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[09:35:10] <archivist> pink_vampire, car has the same problem, uses two universal joints a prop shaft and a sliding spline joint
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[09:37:36] <pink_vampire> I'm design now the arm..
[09:38:48] <pink_vampire> I need it to be the light as possible but very stiff
[09:51:04] <pink_vampire> according to solidworks the arm is 100mm length, and the wight is 122.79g if I made it from steel.
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[10:23:56] <archivist> pink_vampire, and here is a link coupling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPoJaAv1CBc
[10:24:55] <pink_vampire> let me see..
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[10:26:14] <pink_vampire> one set I will show you the model
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[10:51:21] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/-WN4E6em3FE?t=35s Corn Gears
[10:54:10] <CaptHindsight> how many other gears based on vegetables are just waiting to be invented?
[10:56:29] <archivist> did he make id using the 3d corn (starch powder)
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[11:07:11] <XXCoder> hey
[11:10:26] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: what would it work for
[11:10:30] <XXCoder> or just cool design?
[11:14:41] <archivist> or wasting time
[11:15:10] <XXCoder> guy custom makes rubiks
[11:27:54] <__rob> archivist,
http://snag.gy/2Au21.jpg
[11:28:03] <__rob> just about to make that for my fixture
[11:28:06] <__rob> to get within 1/1000th
[11:28:17] <__rob> reamed out holes to 3.99
[11:28:21] <__rob> for 4mm dowels
[11:28:36] <__rob> and using the internal sides to zero off
[11:28:58] <__rob> with the probe, and checking with dowel pins in an ER collet in those middle 2 holes
[11:29:06] <__rob> bolted in the middle, and clamped at the sides
[11:29:28] <__rob> any thoughts on that, or does that look reasonable for getting perfect bore alignment when flipped ?
[11:31:12] <archivist> "perfect" is a difficult aim
[11:31:27] <__rob> well, at least 1/1000th
[11:31:59] <__rob> based on the mill checks I did the other day, in which I get a square cut to exactly 25.00 mm on +-0.01mm calipers
[11:32:10] <__rob> and 1/2000th backlash
[11:32:52] <archivist> there are many documents out there saying you need an order of magnitude better measuring than you want to reach
[11:32:52] <__rob> on all axis, with 1/16000 tram error front to back on over 20cm span
[11:33:23] <__rob> yea, I don't have any 0.001 micrometers
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[11:46:54] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[11:47:16] <XXCoder> whats up
[11:49:09] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/OC5SY4i.png
[11:49:24] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: archivist ^
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[11:50:17] <XXCoder> looks interesting but what is it? 5th axis?
[11:52:06] <pink_vampire> secret
[11:52:34] <XXCoder> lol ok
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[11:55:09] <pink_vampire> you dont have any idea?
[11:55:21] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[11:55:26] <XXCoder> not at this time
[11:56:15] <pink_vampire> oh, come on..
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[12:41:45] <pink_vampire> 53N/mm is make sense to rotate the arm (steel)
[12:42:09] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^ archivist ^
[12:42:22] <XXCoder> ok
[12:42:47] <pink_vampire> 100mm length
[12:43:02] <pink_vampire> and about 150 grams
[12:45:40] <archivist> insufficient data for meaningful answer
[12:48:38] <pink_vampire> it's need to rotate 180 deg
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[12:49:41] <archivist> we are supposed to guess too many factors!
[12:50:56] <pink_vampire> what do you mean?
[12:51:14] <Tom_itx> abstract art?
[12:51:35] <archivist> we dont know load on arm, centre of gravity, time to move, force of springs holding the kinetic mount
[12:51:42] <pink_vampire> 0
[12:52:17] <archivist> and.... to lazy to do maths with cold fingers
[12:52:18] <pink_vampire> just the arm.. the load is 0
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[12:53:27] <pink_vampire> but it's made out of steel.. so it has some wight. (150g)
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[13:08:23] <__rob> wow, accidentally ran my 12mm roughing end mill at 5000rpm instead of 3000 rpm
[13:08:30] <__rob> think I am slightly deaf
[13:08:32] <__rob> now
[13:08:40] <__rob> so much noise
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[13:09:29] <__rob> didn't realise it would make that much difference for the same feed
[13:09:39] <__rob> guess thats why datasheet gives starting point
[13:10:07] <__rob> but why is that, is it just chatter ?
[13:10:12] <__rob> really high pitched scream
[13:11:12] <archivist> you can make parts resonate even the cutter
[13:11:58] <__rob> scared the crap out of me, I'd looked away to have a tidy when it started the cut
[13:13:12] <__rob> + my "0.001mm" micrometers turned up. Turns out there was an ebay description error
[13:13:17] <__rob> deceimal point wrong :(
[13:13:25] <__rob> thought £60 for a set was too good
[13:14:18] <__rob> http://www.mqs.co.uk/mitutoyo-micrometer-sets-103-913-50-set-0-150-mm.html
[13:14:24] <__rob> might just bite the bullet and get them
[13:14:58] <archivist> too expensive
[13:15:29] <archivist> that is only .01 as well
[13:15:51] <archivist> at least a genuine .01
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[13:16:33] <archivist> I am reading the line Graduation .01mm
[13:16:41] <archivist> not the headline
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[13:17:09] <HumanCattle> Hi guys I saw this mechanical rolling tool
https://youtu.be/mWJwGHd4RzM?t=5m38s
[13:17:32] <HumanCattle> But I had a look on their website and it said it would only handle mild steel bar of up to 10mm, u guys know of a big brother to this tool that can handle 12mm?
[13:19:01] <archivist> __rob, I expect a very much larger thimble for 001
[13:19:44] <HumanCattle> I only wanna roll bar I dont need it for bending 90 degree angles or anything
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[13:25:37] <archivist> something that should be not too hard to make yourself
[13:27:46] <archivist> search for ring rolling machine
[13:28:41] <HumanCattle> ring rolling machine
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[13:31:38] <archivist> space in your shed?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EDWARDS-PYRAMID-POWER-ROLLERS-90mmDia-x-2mtr-/222027152334
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[13:33:08] <maxcnc> hi all ;-)
[13:33:29] <maxcnc> Q does fusion360 handel lathe toolpath
[13:34:12] <_methods> there are plenty of plans for metal rollers online
[13:34:17] <_methods> but if you want to buy one
[13:34:25] <_methods> you can get a cheap one from harbor freight
[13:34:28] <_methods> if you are in the US
[13:34:48] <maxcnc> in Europ HNUTH has the t kind of mashines
[13:34:56] <maxcnc> Knuth
[13:34:57] <_methods> http://www.baileigh.com/manual-roll-bender-r-m3?gclid=CJK60N74g8sCFQocHwodYToOyQ
[13:35:21] <_methods> oh nm that baileigh is only 6mm
[13:35:39] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Steel-rollers-sahinler-pk10-wrought-iron-/222009534718
[13:37:12] <_methods> http://www.harborfreight.com/tubing-roller-99736.html
[13:38:13] <archivist> heh ebay search fscked up returned this for ring rolling machine
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/the-4th-5th-Axis-CNC-Router-Rotational-Axis-A-axis-for-the-engraving-machine-/281759331999
[13:39:37] <malcom2073> Ebay knows you better than you know yourself
[13:39:39] <malcom2073> Oh wait that's amazon, nm
[13:39:58] <anomynous> hellop
[13:40:11] <XXCoder> thats awesome
[13:40:24] <XXCoder> "engraving" hah
[13:40:27] <maxcnc> yes cookies can make your day
[13:40:55] <anomynous> i worked manual lathe today :D
[13:41:02] <maxcnc> someone ordert 3 lathe 1600mm today so im happy
[13:41:16] <maxcnc> for wood engraving
[13:41:57] <maxcnc> are thee free lathe cams
[13:42:18] <maxcnc> shop here only producing mills at the time
[13:42:55] <archivist> treat it as a mill if engraving
[13:43:34] <maxcnc> agree on that using the KRESS roto cutter tool to move along
[13:44:03] <maxcnc> bye till later
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[13:44:30] <XXCoder> ran cnc lathe all day today
[13:44:33] <XXCoder> boring
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[13:44:47] <HumanCattle> I actually stumbled across this crazy irishman's video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTIzU_ITvhg
[13:44:57] <XXCoder> made 99 of whatever part it is
[13:45:17] <HumanCattle> looks like it will do really big rings and handle a lot of load
[13:48:39] <anomynous> XXCoder, aaaarara you need rotating tools and second turret to make it more exciting. You can use the other turret in manual mode to dodge the other and have cool features on the part being made.
[13:49:02] <XXCoder> I dont usually run lathes only mills
[13:49:08] <XXCoder> they just ran out of mill jobs
[13:49:16] <XXCoder> in least ones I can do
[13:49:23] <anomynous> same here :D
[13:49:34] <anomynous> but today there was a bunch of papers in my bin
[13:49:41] <anomynous> "bin"
[13:52:24] <XXCoder> well night
[13:57:02] <anomynous> aaaararararaa. Ive gots the cheapest zero point system. Four keys in vises and grooves along x and y axis :D
[13:57:48] <anomynous> well, i'll have four keys soon anyway
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[14:14:09] <HumanCattle> what is actually the math behind ring rolling to make a specific diameter of ring?
[14:15:11] <archivist> the circumference
[14:15:47] <archivist> or a bit more to allow you to chop the ends of for perfect round
[14:16:48] <archivist> the last bit between mid roller and start/end roller may be straight
[14:17:49] <_methods> pi*d
[14:18:02] <_methods> nice and easy with rings
[14:18:09] <_methods> rings and cones
[14:18:47] <_methods> if you prebend the ends to the desired dia/radius you don't even need any extra to trim off
[14:19:59] <archivist> for cones your rolls need independent adjustment
[14:20:25] <archivist> double cone form more interesting
[14:20:45] <_methods> i love that stuff
[14:20:55] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_07_27_tinware/IMG_0798.JPG
[14:20:57] <_methods> most exciting stuff in sheetmetal
[14:21:18] * _methods loves making cyclones
[14:23:19] <_methods> archivist did you make a teeny tiny slip roll to roll those parts lol
[14:24:57] <archivist> usually around a former/whatever lying around, except for the watering can spout, that is a taper on the end of a bar, then use a ball bearing to roll it around
[14:25:33] <archivist> initial roll around half way with fingers
[14:26:18] <_methods> you must be a very patient man messing with all that teeny tiny stuff
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[14:27:39] <archivist> I get bored if something takes too long
[14:29:58] <SpeedEvil> _methods: my brother made a nice cyclone - in wood.
[14:30:10] <SpeedEvil> _methods: using barrelmaking techniques
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[14:43:10] <_methods> wild
[14:43:15] <_methods> you got pics of that?
[14:46:13] <gregcnc> I saw a couple like that when i was thinking about making one.
http://woodgears.ca/reader/walters/cyclone.html
[14:46:36] <_methods> hah cool
[14:47:04] <_methods> i'm going to make a small 4 cyclone parallel configuration for my dust collection in the garage here pretty soon
[14:47:13] <_methods> i still need to draw it up
[14:49:05] <_methods> now that i have my tig welder going i can finally weld it all up
[14:49:15] <gregcnc> does anyone do any real math or just tlar for those?
[14:49:34] <_methods> i ws going to do the math
[14:49:49] <_methods> i've never done a quad parallel config before
[14:50:05] <_methods> figured it would be a good exercise
[14:50:44] <_methods> every place i've ever made cyclones for did the math too
[14:50:57] <_methods> they built their cyclones for pretty specific particulates
[14:51:15] <_methods> mining and food industry cyclonic separators
[14:51:48] <_methods> they usually have a couple engineers working up the designs specifically for the customre
[14:51:51] <_methods> customer even
[14:52:05] <gregcnc> when your business is dust collection you need to get it right
[14:52:21] <_methods> well they were serving more as separators
[14:52:22] <gregcnc> I was thinking shop made
[14:52:24] <_methods> than dust collection
[14:52:40] <_methods> separating husks/shells from seeds
[14:52:42] <_methods> stuff like that
[14:53:04] <_methods> and cooking at the same time
[14:53:10] <gregcnc> OK, see some of that on how it's made
[14:53:12] <_methods> some were heated cyclones
[14:53:27] <_methods> yeah very math heavy
[14:53:44] <_methods> and expensive stuff so you really want to get it right
[14:53:59] <_methods> but for shop dust collection i'd just follow that bill pentz guys design
[14:54:29] <_methods> his design is probably better than most purchased dust collection systems by far
[14:55:53] <_methods> i've never seen anyone make one out of wood before though
[14:55:55] <_methods> that's cool
[14:56:21] <gregcnc> i ended up with the small oneida. i just wanted something better than nothing.
[14:56:30] <_methods> yeah
[14:56:33] <gregcnc> now I want a muffler for the shop vac
[14:57:07] <_methods> right now i'm in the nothing boat
[14:57:16] <_methods> shop vac lol
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[14:58:39] <gregcnc> how big is your blower for a quad setup?
[14:58:54] <_methods> i was going to desing it around a shopvac
[14:59:11] <_methods> but i may not be able to do that
[14:59:17] <_methods> i'll see when i start running numbers
[14:59:35] <_methods> my cyclones might end up super tiny like archivist
[14:59:37] <_methods> lol
[14:59:56] <_methods> but smaller cyclones are more efficient than large cyclones
[14:59:58] <gregcnc> I was tempted to find a junk Dyson
[15:00:12] <_methods> so i thought it would be cool to make a small quad setup
[15:01:20] <gregcnc> We did buy one for $20 a couple years ago when I needed a new hose, but I cleaned all the dog hair out and it worked fine.
[15:02:23] <_methods> i don't know i've never used one
[15:02:32] <_methods> i have an electrolux from like 1968
[15:02:37] <_methods> still goin
[15:02:50] <gregcnc> The newer dyson don't even have a filter.
[15:05:57] <gregcnc> I liked this idea, but finding a cone cheap wasn't easy.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ac/e0/72/ace0726a97e4e337cb06bce1afb1ac7d.jpg
[15:06:23] <_methods> hahah yeah i saw one like that the other day
[15:08:09] <gregcnc> i wonder why shop vacs haven't adopted cyclone yet, even if it makes them twice as big
[15:08:24] <_methods> no idea
[15:08:28] <_methods> you would think they would
[15:08:37] <_methods> but you know how companies are
[15:08:48] <_methods> they don't change till someone puts them out of business
[15:08:53] <gregcnc> we've always done it this way
[15:09:05] <_methods> they're going to squeeze every drop out of every mold and die
[15:09:18] <_methods> make a new company that makes cyclone vacs
[15:09:24] <_methods> then write off the old company as a loss
[15:09:46] <_methods> tax break
[15:11:11] <Simonious> hmm, pastebin doesn't seem to have gcode highlighting :P
[15:12:39] <Simonious> http://pastebin.com/8Kka98D0 <- you guys see anything wrong with this gcode? Near the end of the cut the Z didn't come back up and it dragged the too through the last four holes into the table, it's like Z only went down at the end. It's strange.. at the moment I'm wondering if the servo encoder could be sick.
[15:13:25] <_methods> g53 z0 is machine zero
[15:13:37] <_methods> just get rid of the g53
[15:13:50] <_methods> well nm
[15:13:56] <_methods> where did you set machine z0 at?
[15:14:03] <gregcnc> where is Z0?
[15:14:08] <_methods> at the upper limit of Z?
[15:14:20] <Simonious> the top of the work+
[15:14:29] <_methods> yeah that's going to do that
[15:14:35] <_methods> you want to move to a safe Z
[15:14:40] <_methods> like Z20 or soemthing
[15:14:53] <Simonious> I'm still confused..
[15:14:59] <_methods> either that or set you machine z0 to upper limit
[15:15:11] <Simonious> It did several 10s of holes perfect and then fubared the last four...
[15:15:20] <_methods> yes
[15:15:32] <Simonious> I'm listening, but I'm very confused
[15:16:04] <_methods> how did it fubar the last 4
[15:16:16] <Simonious> dragged through the work instead of pulling out
[15:16:19] <_methods> everything looks fine until your g53
[15:16:20] <Simonious> like it did for all the others
[15:16:27] <gregcnc> did you loose steps?
[15:16:34] <Simonious> gregcnc: is that possible with a servo?
[15:16:40] <Simonious> brb, gonna take a pic of the work
[15:16:55] <gregcnc> check the 0 is still where it was
[15:17:01] <gregcnc> the/that
[15:17:20] <_methods> the tool may have pulled down too
[15:17:26] <gregcnc> right
[15:18:17] <Simonious> ahh.. I didn't think of tool let go
[15:18:30] <Simonious> so.. is my gcode messed up?
[15:18:33] <_methods> sometimes work will pull up too
[15:18:40] <Simonious> that didn't happen at least
[15:18:48] <_methods> make sure it's still in vise
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[15:19:12] <gregcnc> drilling 1/4" plate?
[15:19:15] <Simonious> wood
[15:19:21] <Simonious> pics soon
[15:23:45] <Simonious> _methods: were you saying I did something wrong with the gcode?
[15:23:51] <gregcnc> the code looks consistent, no reason for the last G81 to be any different than the others
[15:24:16] <Simonious> okay, so I *think* the theory someone said in here that the bit started to let go is the best one..?
[15:24:28] <Simonious> (pic is uploading slow)
[15:24:36] <gregcnc> pic won't help
[15:25:16] <_methods> yeah the only problem i see is the g53z0
[15:25:25] <_methods> and that depends on where your z0 actually is
[15:25:42] <gregcnc> check that G54 Z0 is actually still 0 and not below the work surface
[15:25:50] <_methods> ^^
[15:26:00] <Simonious> well.. the machine is off, so..
[15:26:06] <Simonious> this was last night's work
[15:26:25] <_methods> well now you just need to determine if the tool pulled out
[15:26:28] <Simonious> http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=j0bmafrguprieph6dimc.jpg
[15:26:31] <_methods> or if the home is actually off
[15:26:43] <Simonious> _methods: yeah.. well it broke the tool
[15:27:02] <Simonious> and.. I did a run in air, after which I homed - and it seemed to home fine
[15:27:04] <_methods> yeah i'd guess tool pullout from that pic
[15:27:14] <_methods> looks like it got progressively worse
[15:27:17] <Simonious> it did
[15:27:59] <_methods> yeah that's usually a sign that the tool is slipping out of the collet
[15:28:11] <Simonious> great, thanks a bunch for helping me identify the problem
[15:28:28] <_methods> np hopefully that is the problem because that is easy to fix
[15:28:50] <Simonious> describe 'fix' for me
[15:29:06] <Simonious> my mind says 'tighten harder' you might be thinking something else..
[15:29:06] <_methods> eat some spinach before you tighten the tool in teh collet lol
[15:29:06] <gregcnc> what kind of collet?
[15:29:13] <Simonious> ha!
[15:29:24] <Simonious> gregcnc: I don't know.. want a picture? :P
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[15:29:33] <_methods> is it a router collet?
[15:29:36] <Simonious> yes
[15:29:51] <Simonious> it's a standard woodworking router on there
[15:29:56] <_methods> yeah just make sure you put a little more muscle into it when you tighten then
[15:30:00] * Simonious nods
[15:30:01] <gregcnc> Also make sure the shank size is in the collet size range.
[15:30:07] <_methods> that too
[15:30:17] <Simonious> makes sense
[15:30:19] <Simonious> ha
[15:30:20] <Simonious> thanks guys
[15:35:48] <HumanCattle> ok I'm just uploading the pictures of my vacuum plastic melting prototype
[15:36:15] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: the gears based on vegetables are for machines made of the 5 food groups in order to have a balanced diet
[15:37:18] <CaptHindsight> mineral based machines are a dime a dozen
[15:38:13] <gregcnc> perfect match for the pancake printer?
[15:40:14] <CaptHindsight> 11 million to one gearing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYmUJVE6Vo0 and if you gang a few of these together you can have a gear set that the final gear won't even rotate once in a lifetime even if the input is spun at 1B RPM
[15:40:50] <_methods> imagine the torque
[15:40:50] <_methods> lol
[15:41:47] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_pbOCIg_nI 1 billion to 1 ratio version
[15:42:50] * archivist sells some dyson plastic to _methods
[15:43:00] <_methods> hahah
[15:43:13] <_methods> i'm making mine out of stainless not plastic
[15:43:31] <archivist> _methods, I have a repaired a few for gain :)
[15:43:53] <_methods> i hear they break quite frequently
[15:44:02] <archivist> you never want to clean a doggy vacuum cleaner
[15:45:36] <_methods> hairy job lol
[15:45:50] <archivist> sticky hairy
[15:46:22] <HumanCattle> This is my little plastic recycling project I've been working on:
http://postimg.org/gallery/21h6tbh7c/155ce29b/
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[15:49:11] <Jymmm> HumanCattle: what do you do with it once you have a hockey puck?
[15:50:09] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: is black in stock now?
[15:50:43] <HumanCattle> yeah it kinda is a hockey puck
[15:51:07] <HumanCattle> its just proof of concept that you can melt plastics with no toxic gases provided you remove ALL the air from the chamber
[15:54:17] <Simonious> okay.. put a new bit in there and tightened it down, did the cut and it worked, but I see there is an error that I made and I'm not sure about.. the tool starts at the work surface, then rapids to the first hole WITH OUT pulling up to a safe distance first - which it does between every hole after that - resulted in this:
https://goo.gl/photos/WSW3AnY7jMZybtHK6
[15:54:43] <_methods> same code
[15:54:50] <_methods> let me look at it again one sec
[15:54:56] <Jymmm> HumanCattle: ah
[15:55:37] <_methods> yeah change that first z0 to something else
[15:55:41] <Simonious> yes, same code
[15:55:44] <_methods> N20 G53 G0 Z0.
[15:55:54] <_methods> change that to z10 or something above the work
[15:56:24] <_methods> even better would be to make it g54 g0 z10.
[15:56:59] <Simonious> so why is it generating that way? (fusion 360)
[15:57:17] <cradek> look at your code in AXIS before you run it. it's easy to see if a rapid is in the wrong place.
[15:57:21] <_methods> it's in the post processor preamble
[15:57:30] <_methods> it's like a safety line
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[15:59:11] <_methods> basically most machines use g53 z0 would be at the Z upper limit of the machine
[15:59:19] <_methods> so it would be moving to a "safe" area
[15:59:31] <_methods> but you have set it to the top of the work piece which is not safe
[16:00:15] <_methods> but never assume g53 z0. goes to a safe place either when working with machines
[16:01:00] <Simonious> so change g53 z0 to g54 g0 z10 in preprocessor?
[16:01:11] <_methods> no
[16:01:27] <_methods> i'd personally remove the G53 Z0. from my post processor
[16:02:25] <Simonious> hmm.. that doesn't seem like enough to make it pull away from the work surface to a safe distance before starting
[16:02:30] <Simonious> since I'm zeroing at the work surface
[16:03:06] <_methods> i don't recommend setting your machine home on the work piece
[16:03:14] <_methods> your machine home should be to some machine limits
[16:03:27] <_methods> then you set work coordinates after you machine home
[16:03:31] <Simonious> and just set the offset at the work piece?
[16:03:37] <_methods> yes
[16:03:41] <Simonious> ahh
[16:03:45] <Simonious> okay
[16:03:48] <Simonious> that makes sense
[16:04:46] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: if someone orders enough they will make some
[16:04:58] <_methods> work coordinate systems are often difficult for people to grasp at first
[16:05:15] <_methods> i've never found a method of explaining them suitably to anyone lol
[16:05:37] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: lol, so if I order a bottle of black it might not ship for a long time?
[16:05:51] <Simonious> _methods: yes, that has been my problem
[16:05:56] <Simonious> although I *think* it's sticking now
[16:06:01] <CaptHindsight> C,M or Y in a few days
[16:06:05] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI2inCb0Wfs
[16:06:35] <_methods> that seems to kind of explain it
[16:06:39] <tiwake> alright, I'll just order those 3 then
[16:06:55] <_methods> only for a single work offset though
[16:07:02] <_methods> doesn't show multiple work offsets
[16:07:24] <Simonious> multiple? yup that'd confuse me again
[16:07:40] <_methods> well on a machine you might have 4 or more vises
[16:07:42] <_methods> or fixtures
[16:07:47] <_methods> sometimes hundreds
[16:07:59] <_methods> so you need work coordinate systems for all of them
[16:08:06] <Simonious> does linuxcnc support that?
[16:08:08] <_methods> or multiple coordinate systems
[16:08:10] <_methods> yes
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[16:08:22] <_methods> especially when working on a tombstone
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[16:08:23] <Simonious> how (I ask without being sure I want to know)
[16:08:43] <_methods> you might have multiple work offsets for the same vise/fixture
[16:08:47] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: K might take a few weeks
[16:09:01] <Simonious> I get why you would have them now
[16:09:03] <Simonious> just not sure how
[16:12:06] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CoordinateSystems
[16:14:33] <neckro23> hey guys I finally have a dumb question. are there certain CPUs that work better with linuxcnc or should any half-decent current cpu do the trick?
[16:14:51] <neckro23> I mean, I already ordered a PC, but I want to prepare myself ahead of time for any disappointment. :)
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[16:15:36] <_methods> pretty much anything should work
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[16:18:05] <CaptHindsight> neckro23: some PC work better than others when comparing software stepping using the LPT port
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[16:19:17] <neckro23> yeah, that's what I intend to do
[16:19:38] <neckro23> I tried using a couple of old PCs for it, but it all ended in tears
[16:19:43] <neckro23> one had like a 200k ns jitter
[16:20:28] <neckro23> I ordered a cheap Celeron, hope that works okay
[16:22:14] <_methods> adding a cheap video card fixed most any issues i've ever had
[16:22:26] <_methods> onboord video usually causes problems
[16:24:29] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I use nothing but integrated video
[16:24:39] <CaptHindsight> are you using old intel hardware?
[16:24:41] <_methods> yeah i've had some that didn't matter
[16:24:56] <_methods> but i had one that was horrible til i put in vid card
[16:25:08] <_methods> i think that one was old amd
[16:25:33] <Roguish> be sure to disable the onboard video in the bios.
[16:26:48] <CaptHindsight> I'm nor sure what the problem might have been with that old hardware
[16:27:03] <_methods> i have no idea but a video card fixed it
[16:27:30] <_methods> pretty sure it states in the linuxcnc wiki if you have jitter problems with onboard video replace it
[16:27:41] <CaptHindsight> we started rewriting RTAI a few years ago starting with whats around 7-8 year old cpu's now
[16:28:23] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I was just thinking about updating that section of the wiki the other day
[16:28:42] <CaptHindsight> that applied to hardware from the 90's-maybe 2005
[16:29:01] <CaptHindsight> but maybe that is what lots of Linuxcncer's are using
[16:29:31] <_methods> mine was for sure
[16:29:50] <_methods> that one was a POS athlon x2 that my wife's work was tossing
[16:29:59] <_methods> made a great linuxcnc computer lol
[16:30:01] <_methods> and it was free
[16:30:07] <_methods> just add one $20 vid card
[16:30:14] <CaptHindsight> but people read that and wonder if their brand spanking new PC is going to have problems
[16:30:29] <neckro23> oh crap, I forgot about the onboard video thing. oh well, I have expansion slots. fortunately.
[16:30:40] <neckro23> I think the cpu I got has Intel HD 3000 or some other junk
[16:30:48] <CaptHindsight> neckro23: you shouldn't have any problems
[16:31:33] <neckro23> lack of video card was probably my problem with the athlon 64x2 I was trying earlier
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[16:32:22] <_methods> yeah you don't need anything fancy
[16:32:30] <_methods> any old video card will do
[16:32:55] <neckro23> then again, I _was_ getting parallel port errors on that one too. that was when I decided to throw money at the problem.
[16:33:15] <CaptHindsight> unless it's VESA :)
[16:33:38] <__rob> _methods, that fixture is done
http://snag.gy/bqEhw.jpg
[16:33:40] <_methods> well if you were getting parport errors you may have done the right thing
[16:33:59] <_methods> hey looks good
[16:34:01] <neckro23> vl-bus? there's a blast from the past
[16:34:01] <__rob> whats weird, 4mm reamer in ER collect has a tiny bit of play, the 3.99 reamer is a push fit
[16:34:28] <__rob> must have oversized the hole with 4mm, only used that on the outside ones, no real need for them
[16:34:58] <neckro23> methods: I'll see I guess... I know a thing or two about Linux but am pretty clueless about troubleshooting driver/hardware issues
[16:35:02] <CaptHindsight> I have 6 or so AMD K6 400MHz pc's with <5 hours on them
[16:35:25] <CaptHindsight> just waiting for the right project
[16:35:39] <neckro23> those are some pretty mint obsolete cpus
[16:36:33] <CaptHindsight> installed Fedora 5 on them 11 years ago, ready to go
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[16:37:14] <_methods> hehe
[16:37:23] <CaptHindsight> __rob: did you find out where your error was coming from?
[16:37:51] <gregcnc> My dell optiplex 150 900Mhz has been running my frankenmill for 10 years
[16:37:55] <neckro23> CaptHindsight: it BELONGS in a MUSEUM!
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[16:39:24] <MrSunshine> damn .. proper alignment of ballscrews seems to be more mportant than ive been thinking :P
[16:39:24] <__rob> not yet
[16:39:33] <__rob> this is what the fixture is for
[16:39:34] <gregcnc> Actually it must be less I built it a different pc that had a power supply failure and cooked everything..
[16:39:36] <__rob> hopefully problem solve
[16:39:37] <__rob> d
[16:40:00] <_methods> have you put a part on the dowel pins yet?
[16:40:10] <MrSunshine> started mesuring and found that the plate to the ballscrew was 0.1mm off ... so some grinding and stuff here and there, now its like 0.01mm off and i could up the speed of the machine from 7200mm/min to 9000mm/min and still have about the same torque =)
[16:40:51] <CaptHindsight> I just rediscoverd a few mini-itx VIA Epia's from ~2004
[16:41:40] <CaptHindsight> not sure if Wheezy will easily install on them
[16:43:26] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: well I just submitted the order
[16:43:40] <tiwake> tell them I want it in my shop tomorrow :P
[16:43:47] <tiwake> XD
[16:44:10] <CaptHindsight> did you check the box for yesterday shipping?
[16:44:26] <tiwake> now I need to order some 5 gallon buckets with lids
[16:44:42] <tiwake> one bucket for every mixed color
[16:45:26] <tiwake> alright, I gotta go to work...TTFN
[16:45:44] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: once you dilute them ...
[16:46:04] <CaptHindsight> it's very difficult to make the color stronger again
[16:46:13] <CaptHindsight> just to be aware
[16:46:18] <tiwake> yeah
[16:46:33] <tiwake> shade changes slightly, etc.
[16:46:43] <CaptHindsight> so you might want extra buckets
[16:47:05] <tiwake> yeah, I'm figuring on at least 10 buckets
[16:47:06] <tiwake> lol
[16:47:16] <CaptHindsight> and the solvent evaporates
[16:47:24] <CaptHindsight> so don't leave them open
[16:47:30] <tiwake> would the bucket lids help with that?
[16:47:44] <CaptHindsight> hope so
[16:47:50] <tiwake> hmm
[16:47:51] <CaptHindsight> unless they don't seal
[16:48:13] <tiwake> alright, I gotta go
[16:48:14] <tiwake> TTFN
[16:48:18] <CaptHindsight> hasta
[16:51:07] <CaptHindsight> solvent dyes may also be used for pranks on the unwary since they can take several weeks before they fade from skin contact
[17:00:49] <Loetmichel> *MAN am i pissed now... today at the company the CAD Notebook Deadlocked with a blackscreen 9 times... *shutdown* *reboot* *scandisc* all work of the last half an hour gone* ... its REALLY time that the americans deliver that 'new' (used) gpu board for it i ordered last week from ebay. The Nvidia quatro 2800M inside the notebook now seems to develope the "bga solder joint problem"... :-(
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[17:22:10] <maxcnc> hi all
[17:22:54] <maxcnc> last hour a carpender cam in and asked for a mill for the wall
[17:23:16] <maxcnc> 100x100 inch
[17:23:25] <maxcnc> driveway
[17:23:34] <maxcnc> workroom
[17:23:50] <maxcnc> massiv build
[17:24:00] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: ?
[17:25:11] <Loetmichel> hmm?
[17:25:33] <maxcnc> do you know Alu konstruction profile maker beside minitec
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[17:25:47] <maxcnc> in the south west direct marketing
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[17:27:39] <Loetmichel> sorry, no
[17:31:14] <maxcnc> http://www.aluprofile-onlineshop.de/
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[17:37:36] <MrSunshine> with 22000ns base linuxcnc does not complain about realtime error and i can run at 7200mm/min with 16 microsteps =)
[17:37:44] <MrSunshine> without following errors
[17:38:01] <CaptHindsight> success \0/
[17:38:41] <MrSunshine> yeah =) but now as with the alignment of the brackets for the ballscrews and i can run 9000mm/min rapids i want that insted ;P
[17:40:21] <CaptHindsight> that's nearly 355 inches per minute!
[17:41:37] <MrSunshine> yeah ?
[17:44:10] <maxcnc> MrSunshine: reduce the microsteps and go for more gear then you are at 20m/min
[17:44:42] <MrSunshine> maxcnc: with the 10mm lead on the screws lesser microstepping makes for alot of vibrations
[17:44:52] <MrSunshine> had it at 10 micros and screws vibrated like hell
[17:45:00] <MrSunshine> at 16 they are alot less prone to vibrate
[17:45:08] <maxcnc> agree
[17:45:24] <maxcnc> i use half stepping at 30:1 gearing
[17:45:25] <MrSunshine> and 20m/min would throw the machine of kilter :P
[17:45:42] <maxcnc> its not that mutch more
[17:47:26] <maxcnc> what kills the system is turning at MAX_ACCELERATION = 1500.0
[17:47:45] <maxcnc> the mass is critical
[17:47:53] <maxcnc> like a nuke in RUS
[17:49:18] <MrSunshine> yeah got problems with that at higher speeds too ... with the 10mm lead on the screw its to easy for the mass to torture the motors when breaking =)
[17:54:29] <maxcnc> i got moving 500kg but not at that speed max is 3500mm/min
[18:03:07] <Loetmichel> btw: got a booblehead for birthday from my wife this night. Isnt it cute? will sit on my cars dash soon: ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16152&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
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[18:05:27] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: as soon as you EMP proof it and add the cylon side-to-side led lightbar to it =)
[18:05:46] <Jymmm> oh and add a voice module...
[18:06:04] <Loetmichel> dont give me ideas ;)
[18:06:09] <Jymmm> Loetmichel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ccKPSVQcFk
[18:06:15] <Loetmichel> lightbar leds are already ordered, tho
[18:07:55] <Jymmm> Loetmichel:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MP3-Player-Audio-Decoding-Decoder-Module-Board-With-Micro-USB-Port-69356/32370889573.html
[18:08:15] <Loetmichel> Jymmm. nah
[18:08:26] <Jymmm> Loetmichel:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/PAM8403-Super-Mini-Digital-Amplifier-Board-2-3W-Class-D-Digital-2-5V-To-5V-Power/1822706737.html
[18:08:33] <Loetmichel> Ios phone wiht a voice mod for siri ;)
[18:08:41] <Jymmm> fuck siri
[18:08:58] <Loetmichel> or android and the (forgot the name)
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[18:12:47] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: KISS
[18:13:17] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i thought of using it as a digital assistant frontend then
[18:13:28] <maxcnc> ok im off
[18:13:30] <Loetmichel> with buildtin cam and motorized head...
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[18:13:50] <Loetmichel> lookiing the way you order it to, or looking at you while you speak to it ;)
[18:14:21] <Loetmichel> (or while it tells you the way (google maps)
[18:14:22] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Nah, man don't muck it up. the lightbar is cool, the voice is a bonus. going beyond that and well, you beign to take away from it imo.
[18:16:12] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: *MAYBE* hide a radar detecter in it,but that's pushing it.
[18:16:37] <Loetmichel> n ot allowed in germany
[18:16:47] <Jymmm> thus the HIDE
[18:16:50] <Loetmichel> will get you some points towards losing your license
[18:17:12] <Jymmm> key word... HIDE
[18:17:32] <Loetmichel> keyword GERMANY
[18:17:48] <Loetmichel> there is no HIDE if the police wants to find something in your car.
[18:18:10] <Jymmm> like they would be examining a bobblehead (hint hint)
[18:18:18] <Jymmm> hide in plain sight
[18:18:23] <Loetmichel> they would
[18:18:36] <Loetmichel> i have seen them dismantle entire cars to the last screw
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[18:31:33] <CaptHindsight> >60F outside today, BBL....
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[20:23:46] <aventtini6> hello guys
[20:24:06] <Tom_itx> 69°F
[20:24:07] <aventtini6> today first test run
[20:24:13] <aventtini6> http://imgur.com/a/W4Qr2
[20:24:15] <aventtini6> :D
[20:26:07] <aventtini6> servo tuning
[20:26:09] <aventtini6> :)))
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[20:28:02] <aventtini6> next one 750 kg
[20:29:23] <anomynous> aaaararara
[20:29:51] <anomynous> that looks like a lump of stock being installed on to the table for being cut. amd wrong? intel right?
[20:30:18] <aventtini6> hot runner plate
[20:30:25] <anomynous> what is a hot runner plate
[20:30:31] <aventtini6> 900x600x100
[20:30:37] <aventtini6> or some sort
[20:30:43] <aventtini6> hrc33
[20:30:49] <anomynous> what does hot runner plate mean
[20:30:51] <anomynous> or do
[20:30:58] <aventtini6> injection moulding
[20:30:58] <anomynous> except for being semi-hardish
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[20:31:01] <anomynous> ah
[20:31:12] <anomynous> what is hot runner plate?
[20:31:42] <aventtini6> http://d2n4wb9orp1vta.cloudfront.net/resources/images/cdn/cms/gunn2oct2002.jpg
[20:32:27] <anomynous> so its the thing with cavity where plastic is being injected?
[20:33:10] <aventtini6> exacly
[20:33:49] <anomynous> talking of moulding
[20:33:58] <aventtini6> linuxcnc can drive big machines lets see how good its doing it
[20:34:14] <anomynous> how to cast steel or iron... is there a machinable substance to use for coquille
[20:34:17] <aventtini6> i made some test runs on a hight speed vmc
[20:34:35] <aventtini6> and it works really good on the traj
[20:34:50] <aventtini6> there is a 3d sand printer
[20:34:55] <anomynous> nooooo
[20:34:55] <aventtini6> that is the last tech
[20:35:02] <anomynous> thats expensive
[20:35:19] <anomynous> i mean like... super special steel which has higher melting temperature
[20:35:22] <anomynous> or copper
[20:35:27] <anomynous> with coolant channels
[20:36:24] <aventtini6> no way
[20:36:39] <anomynous> why noooo
[20:36:43] <anomynous> i mean
[20:36:52] <anomynous> they do continious casting with copper
[20:37:30] <aventtini6> stell and iron is only done in sand or liant
[20:38:01] <aventtini6> you want to make a cast frame
[20:38:03] <aventtini6> ?
[20:38:23] <anomynous> i dont know
[20:38:25] <anomynous> :D
[20:38:56] <aventtini6> use epoxy granite
[20:39:02] <aventtini6> make a alu mold
[20:39:02] <anomynous> what is liant
[20:39:13] <aventtini6> its another special sand
[20:39:16] <anomynous> ah
[20:39:30] <anomynous> but coquille casting is a permanent mould casting for steel but those are ceramic?
[20:40:11] <anomynous> continuous casting uses copper bed for the bulk of molten steel, which is cooled with water... but copper is expensive and hard to machine? :D
[20:42:09] <Sync> gotta die one way or another
[20:42:27] <aventtini6> i think cast steal and a seal mold that is coold with water has major flow problems
[20:42:34] <aventtini6> sore
[20:42:36] <aventtini6> :)))
[20:43:16] <anomynous> flow problems?
[20:43:27] <anomynous> like drill holes thru the thing and use pump?
[20:43:32] <anomynous> :D
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[20:45:18] <anomynous> steam engine
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[21:37:49] <witnit> Loetmichel: sorry about your CAD loss. I hate when such things occur.
[21:40:08] <Loetmichel> witnit: its only temporary
[21:40:24] <Loetmichel> hopefully i get the new used card next week
[21:40:54] <Loetmichel> depends on how long usps and german customs need to get that over here
[21:41:07] <Loetmichel> *checkking*
[21:41:36] <XXCoder> CAD loss?
[21:43:51] <Loetmichel> [18:00] <Loetmichel> *MAN am i pissed now... today at the company the CAD Notebook Deadlocked with a blackscreen 9 times... *shutdown* *reboot* *scandisc* all work of the last half an hour gone* ... its REALLY time that the americans deliver that 'new' (used) gpu board for it i ordered last week from ebay. The Nvidia quatro 2800M inside the notebook now seems to develope the "bga solder joint
[21:43:51] <Loetmichel> problem"... :-(
[21:45:00] <Loetmichel> quote usps tracking app: "Customs Documentation and Labeling
[21:45:00] <Loetmichel> Feb-19-16, 18:09 PM, Erlanger, Kentucky"
[21:45:05] <Loetmichel> NIIIICE
[21:45:23] <Loetmichel> now just fly it over the pond and get the german customs working FAST for a change ;)
[21:48:34] <MrSunshine> reflow!
[21:48:40] <MrSunshine> ive dont it two times to this laptop =)
[21:49:19] <pink_vampire> I can edit the ui of linux cnc?
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[21:52:37] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: ow
[21:53:27] <Loetmichel> the notebook is nice for playing games also...
[21:53:48] <XXCoder> 3d modeling and games, it can do everything! ;)
[21:54:07] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15795
[21:54:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15889
[21:54:26] <Loetmichel> and actually just surfing while spldering
[21:55:01] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16149
[21:55:02] <Loetmichel> :-)
[21:55:57] <Loetmichel> soldering
[22:04:42] <skunkworks> my 11' vintage studio xps is still going strong..
[22:04:53] <skunkworks> *2011
[22:05:02] <skunkworks> first gen i5 baby
[22:05:07] <skunkworks> *i7
[22:05:10] <skunkworks> wow I need a nap
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[22:06:29] <witnit> pink_vampire: what do you mean by edit it?
[22:06:32] <Deejay> gn8
[22:06:37] <witnit> cu Deejay
[22:07:03] <pink_vampire> to make it look nice,
[22:07:04] <Deejay> :)
[22:07:18] <witnit> Which interface are you currently using?
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[22:07:33] <pink_vampire> and not like something from 97
[22:07:36] <witnit> axis, touchy, there are others.
[22:07:37] <pink_vampire> mach3
[22:08:28] <witnit> are you using a mouse or touchscreen?
[22:09:41] <witnit> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/gui/images/gmoccapy_4_axis.png
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[22:12:07] <DaViruz> other aspects of mach3 aside, it does not look very nice
[22:12:38] <DaViruz> in fact in looks like someone just discovered gradient fill in photoshop 3.0
[22:12:46] <witnit> heh
[22:15:04] <XXCoder> primiary colors
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[22:15:15] <XXCoder> looks windows 2 almost
[22:15:51] <XXCoder> though it is actually bit more effective than default
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[22:31:00] <neckro23> mach3 is atrociously ugly, which is why I fled screaming to linuxcnc
[22:31:30] <neckro23> it commits basically every UI sin ever invented
[22:32:19] <witnit> well with linux it seems you can use ANY ui, if you want command line or drive your machine with your cellphone via a website it makes little difference
[22:32:51] <XXCoder> is there guide on how to make one?
[22:34:02] <neckro23> witnit: yeah that was the sort of stuff I could see myself wanting to do once I got everything working, which was another factor
[22:35:17] <neckro23> the UI is all python right? haven't looked into that yet
[22:36:42] <witnit> Im not sure about most of the UI's I dont really spend much time looking at it. mostly just write gcode and hit play.
[22:37:16] <witnit> yeah XXCoder I mean about as good as any other guide you read from this community :)
[22:37:25] <XXCoder> lol ok
[22:37:41] <witnit> they give you the basics and let you figure it out on your own
[22:38:07] <witnit> I found it rather easy once I realized how things connect together
[22:38:57] <witnit> All I was doing was adding buttons and lights and whatnot for the AXIS ui
[22:41:53] <XXCoder> yeah default works ok
[22:42:03] <XXCoder> just see couple stuff I dont like
[22:42:10] <witnit> so for all my sensors and pneumatics (Din-00, Din-01 and Dout-01 etc) I had created on screen LED's similar to what you would see when looking through your watch lists. Quite handy when seeing where your program is getting hung up. In my situation I was building an automatic crossdrill and debur machine, so if the parts got hung up in the track or a drill broke or something of sorts I would quickly be able to see which sensor the machine was hanging at
[22:42:18] <XXCoder> I really want physical controls though
[22:42:25] <witnit> those are easier yet
[22:42:38] <XXCoder> you can hit e-stop button MUCH faster than "esc"
[22:42:42] <witnit> the interface is already there :) just got to hook up the pins
[22:43:03] <witnit> you should DEFINITLY have an E-STOP button
[22:43:15] <witnit> what are you using for controls?
[22:43:19] <witnit> like mesa?
[22:43:37] <XXCoder> right now, pure keyboard
[22:43:46] <XXCoder> mines 3040 router
[22:43:58] <witnit> I mean are you using printer port or like a mesa card??
[22:44:09] <XXCoder> oh I use tb6560
[22:44:22] <XXCoder> I have physical e-stop button and wires for it
[22:44:41] <XXCoder> just that I suck on building, I will use router to build control box later
[22:45:11] <witnit> well the E-Stop can be added in many different ways. It depends how you want to tell the machine to stop
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[22:45:46] <XXCoder> for me it would be just stop moving, since "spindle" is router it would not turn off
[22:46:01] <XXCoder> its short term till I get real spindle
[22:47:23] <witnit> IMO there are good ways and there are better ways to put in a stop switch. However for most hobby or light duty machines (ones which dont rip arms off) its usually acceptable to add a software trigger, like hitting F1 or F2
[22:47:43] <witnit> anything is better than running to your keyboard
[22:47:52] <witnit> but it should be reliable
[22:48:10] <witnit> do you have any extra inputs left on your card?
[22:48:50] <XXCoder> few if I recall. one of em can be set to e-stop
[22:48:59] <XXCoder> but I'm not too worried though
[22:49:30] <XXCoder> just need to build nice control panel then evenually get hand controller (there is pretty nice ones at aliexpress)
[22:50:11] <witnit> well, I can say the worry doesnt normally occur until the machine is about the crash into something and your hand is not hovering over a 2" diameter button
[22:50:19] <witnit> about to* :P
[22:50:29] <XXCoder> that is true
[22:51:14] <witnit> In my situation my controller is about 15 feet from my machine spindle and work area so I added two buttons
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[22:51:23] <XXCoder> that is wise
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[22:54:33] <witnit> If you think about it like this, +v -----------[N.C estop button]-------------------[N.C. estop button #2]--------input -v> Hitting either switch will trigger the stop.
[22:54:43] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Speak of the devil...
[22:54:56] <XXCoder> hey devil. whats up
[22:55:06] <witnit> so simplify +-----[/]---[/]------
[22:55:21] <XXCoder> so both buttons is NC eh
[22:55:36] <witnit> I believe that is the common practice
[22:55:40] <XXCoder> oh duh you said so lol
[22:56:12] <XXCoder> yeah NC is better if you want more than one button and can trigger
[22:56:21] <XXCoder> NO you would need bit more complex wiring
[22:56:26] <witnit> well more so this reason....
[22:56:46] <witnit> if you have a wire vibrate and break or come loose, you WILL know it because the machine will stop
[22:57:05] <witnit> if the switch is N.O then you will not know it, and when you need the button it will not work
[22:57:58] <XXCoder> yea makes sense
[22:58:59] <Jymmm> Well, one NO and NC, then you know if oyu have an open or short in the estop
[22:59:28] <witnit> ^ that is better
[23:01:11] <witnit> I would highly recommend doing such a thing on a large machine, HV, or otherwise dangerous one
[23:02:09] <Jymmm> and you think a 30,000 RPM spindle on a 12"x12" router is NOT dnagerous?
[23:02:18] <witnit> realistically though get a good BRB attached and keep it close to where you think your hands will be
[23:02:36] <witnit> *shrugs*
[23:02:39] <XXCoder> yeah my router has way too many rpms lol
[23:02:43] <Jymmm> and use safety relay(s)
[23:02:47] <XXCoder> 27,000
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[23:03:17] <witnit> Im not particularly sure the working enviroment or the machine he is using
[23:03:48] <XXCoder> working envorment dont exist atm
[23:03:52] <XXCoder> thats why its not running
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[23:04:10] <witnit> it doesnt sound very dangerous to me, but im used to machines which weigh as much as school busses
[23:04:26] <XXCoder> I work with em too
[23:04:35] <XXCoder> router is my home machine
[23:04:49] <XXCoder> its intended to be mostly for wood and some alum
[23:05:19] <Jymmm> It's not the size of the machine
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[23:05:27] <Jymmm> tbale saw... np
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[23:05:38] <Jymmm> chain saw... np
[23:05:48] <Jymmm> recipricating saw... np
[23:05:49] <witnit> dremels dont have Estops
[23:05:52] <witnit> j/s
[23:06:57] <neckro23> imo you want a dead-man's switch and a massive EMP generator. it's the only way to be sure.
[23:07:03] <Jymmm> This little thing SCARES THE FUCK OUT OF ME...
http://www.harborfreight.com/4-in-mighty-mite-table-saw-with-blade-61608.html
[23:07:27] <XXCoder> tiny.
[23:07:36] <witnit> that thing looks like it would hurt somone
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[23:07:48] <Jymmm> 4" blade on a 14K rpm motor
[23:07:54] <witnit> not nearly stable enough base to support that blades inertia
[23:08:09] <witnit> one hangup and that thing would flip and run up your arm
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[23:08:31] <Jymmm> exactly, so it's not the size that matters (no matter what she says ;)
[23:09:17] <XXCoder> Jymmm: smbc has everything.
http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=1638
[23:09:35] <neckro23> I'm pretty distrustful of anything mechanical, especially if there are spinning blades involved
[23:10:03] <Jymmm> XXCoder: lol
[23:10:12] <Sync> #yolo
[23:10:13] <neckro23> lol smbc
[23:10:49] * Jymmm smacks Sync with a clue-by-four
[23:11:16] <witnit> Realistically tho few people are even installing their estops when they first get started let alone installing one in the best possible manner available to them. I say at LEAST get a N/C switch working asap
[23:11:17] <XXCoder> exactly, you only live once. no sense on risking hand or life
[23:12:08] <witnit> Jymmm: 5:47:19 PM - witnit: IMO there are good ways and there are better ways to put in a stop switch. However for most hobby or light duty machines (ones which dont rip arms off) its usually acceptable to add a software trigger, like hitting F1 or F2
[23:12:08] <witnit> 5:47:40 PM - witnit: anything is better than running to your keyboard
[23:12:08] <witnit> 5:47:48 PM - witnit: but it should be reliable
[23:13:00] <Jymmm> software controlled estop.... yeah, NOT!
[23:13:14] <witnit> thats what the red button built into AXIS is
[23:13:37] <XXCoder> I'm definitely doing all dry runs first
[23:14:09] <neckro23> just plug your driver into the clapper. done.
[23:14:17] <neckro23> then when your arm is getting mangled you can just clap
[23:14:20] <Jymmm> I've had this same argument here for 10+ years, you'll all are going to do what you want anyway.
[23:14:31] <XXCoder> neckro23: so, what is sound of one hand clapping
[23:14:51] <XXCoder> Jymmm: I do want real physical e-stop just not at this point
[23:15:46] <witnit> right Jymmm but be REALISTIC teach them everything that should happen but offer them what safety you can by making the F1 and F2 key function
[23:16:19] <Sync> what Jymmm?
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[23:26:03] <Jymmm> witnit: NEVER EVER TRUST software controlled estop, period.
[23:26:21] <Jymmm> bugs happen
[23:26:41] <Jymmm> shit, a keyboard could come undone easily enough.
[23:27:22] <Jymmm> I tell ppl think about if your 4yo grandkid came into your shop unexpectantly and how would you feel if soemthng happened
[23:28:21] <Jymmm> Is it worth it to depend upon something that's essencially so "fragile" in nature.
[23:28:55] <Jymmm> In the EU, not one but TWO safety relays are manditory
[23:30:14] <neckro23> never ever trust software in general. it's all terrible.
[23:30:22] <witnit> Jymmm: people are already depending on the exact same estop bundled with LinuxCNC because its there. People DO NOT do things like they should. Any Estop is better than NO estop, PERIOD.
[23:30:23] <SpeedEvil> witnit: I have a 60cm sawblade I'm pondering making a sawbench for.
[23:30:43] <SpeedEvil> witnit: computing the forces involved in if the blade stops in a quarter rev is 'entertaining'
[23:31:12] <SpeedEvil> sawstop is hard
[23:31:26] <SpeedEvil> (though it's just worst case, I'm not doing sawstop on it)
[23:32:14] <Jymmm> witnit: There have been known bugs in linuxcnc that estop didn't work and the system kept going. Do/think as you will, I'm done.
[23:32:39] <SpeedEvil> plus, the reason you want the estop may be that the computer has shit itself
[23:33:14] <SpeedEvil> e-stops are less important if you have absolutely no way to access the tool even in an emergency
[23:33:57] <witnit> Of course Jymmm but you also have human nature and I can guarantee you there are people in here using nothing but a keyboard they should AT LEAST have something safER until they finish.
[23:35:20] <Jymmm> XXCoder:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/STI-Omron-SR231A-00-Safety-Monitoring-Relay-/301033353795
[23:35:36] <witnit> Im going to assume there are people in here with dremels attached to their routers and they do NOT have the router in the loop, let alone a physical stop
[23:35:53] <XXCoder> witnit: or router
[23:36:26] <anomynous> i disagree on software estop
[23:36:45] <witnit> Its already enabled in with the software everyone disagrees with it
[23:36:49] <anomynous> satellites fly on code and airplanes fly on code and power plants run on code
[23:36:49] <anomynous> :D
[23:37:08] <Jymmm> anomynous: and that code is audited.
[23:37:19] <anomynous> well, make estop so it wont malfunction
[23:37:25] <anomynous> and keep it separated
[23:37:26] <anomynous> :D
[23:37:37] <witnit> the only way to properly do it is to remove power
[23:38:09] <anomynous> true. Darn.
[23:38:41] <Jymmm> witnit: That would be false, as there are some systems where it needs power to brake, then shutdown,
[23:39:14] <witnit> realistically Jymmm this guy is using a friggin dremel on a table
[23:39:33] <anomynous> dremels dont have estops
[23:40:04] <anomynous> besides someone is always pushing them and then youre figuring out why machine wont start
[23:40:35] <SpeedEvil> Dremels have plenty of power to cause bits to fly at high velocities
[23:40:57] <SpeedEvil> Indeed - that's misleading
[23:41:03] <Jymmm> It's not always the spindle, have you ever tried stopping a moving gantry by hand?
[23:41:12] <anomynous> then one should use goggles.
[23:41:18] <anomynous> estop doesnt help on flying bits
[23:41:20] <SpeedEvil> any time you've got any tool under a stress when it breaks you can get shards flying out at hundreds of meters a second
[23:41:31] <anomynous> INCOMING! HIT THE BUTTON!
[23:41:45] <SpeedEvil> Most of the time, you may be lucky
[23:42:03] <Jymmm> anomynous: YOU POKED YOUR EYE OUT KID!
[23:42:04] <anomynous> estop lazers the flying bits
[23:44:01] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOUSDDLKICk - sort of related
[23:44:24] <witnit> Maybe Jymmm we should have the next version of linuxcnc compiled without the Estop and Reset button built into axis
[23:44:27] <SpeedEvil> residual current/earth leakage circuit breaker teardown with accidental flying bits
[23:45:04] <SpeedEvil> Machine emergencies are not safety issues in all cases.
[23:45:20] <SpeedEvil> If you've got a proper safety cage around a machine, all that is at risk is the machine.
[23:51:23] <witnit> SpeedEvil: yeah but also you have electricity flowing all over and in large amounts, maybe the cage could be electrified by a rogue robot arm.
[23:54:43] <evil_ren> not if its earthed and you have proper overcurrent protection
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[23:58:39] <Sync> Jymmm: you can trust software estops
[23:58:44] <witnit> in an ideal world all builds are proper
[23:58:58] <Sync> look at the pilz pnoz estop PLCs
[23:59:17] <witnit> Sync yes but not linux cnc PC based Estops
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[23:59:43] <witnit> too many variables
