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[00:03:50] <_methods> wow $4k for that guy eh
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[00:42:30] <CaptHindsight> to yah ever just get tired of cleanin yer shootin irons? How many hours a day can you spend doing it?
[00:43:27] <malcom2073> Anyone who would get tired of cleanin shootin irons isn't a true murcan!
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[01:20:08] <witnit> Im quite fond of having a hicktown full of guns. I personally never heard of anyone doing an open carry get mugged and always feel comfort in knowing a militia is only magazine away.
[01:21:13] <malcom2073> I'm quite fond of guns, it's the owners I'm often not fond of
[01:22:12] <witnit> Then again I'm the type of person that doesnt trust politicians or believe all police are the "good guys".
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[01:22:58] <malcom2073> Statistically, you could replace police with well.... anything... and that sentance would still ring true.
[01:23:52] <witnit> right, so why offer someone you dont trust more privilege than you would your neighbor
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[01:24:25] <bobo__> carefull there are more of them than us and they are organized
[01:24:38] <malcom2073> Because unlike my neighbor, they at least have *some* training
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[01:24:59] <witnit> people have troubles understanding the fundamentals of the constitution and why people died for those rights
[01:25:05] <malcom2073> my neighbor on the other hand, is a complete fool and couldn't shoot his way out of a paper bag, so god help us if I'm ever in a situation requiring a gun and he is nearby
[01:26:30] <bobo__> give him a water gun
[01:27:53] <malcom2073> He has plenty of his own real ones heh
[01:28:07] <witnit> yeah but whats his demeanor?
[01:29:51] <witnit> normal people who have a gun would never consider using it in a crime.
[01:30:13] <malcom2073> It's not malicious intent I'm worried about, laws don't have any effect on that
[01:30:50] <witnit> people that dont have guns get walked on by their government
[01:31:21] <malcom2073> Erm... no?
[01:31:25] <witnit> no?
[01:31:55] <malcom2073> People that don't have guns *can* get walked on by *anyone* who has a gun.
[01:32:01] <malcom2073> But that's not relevant
[01:33:01] <witnit> right, because anyone with any sense in their head knows you have to defend yourself at times on this planet.
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[01:35:19] <malcom2073> If you're going to be sarcastic, just go full out and say "at all times" heh
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[01:36:21] <witnit> I like the gun debate :)
[01:36:33] <malcom2073> I'm not sure what you're debating to be honest
[01:37:08] <witnit> well some people think we should abolish all guns from citizens and others think we all should have a gun issued to each household
[01:37:25] <malcom2073> I think both ideas are dumb :)
[01:37:44] <witnit> right up until the moment your country is invaded
[01:38:00] <malcom2073> No, my ideals are not situational
[01:38:05] <malcom2073> Like I said
[01:38:18] <malcom2073> God help me if I'm ever in a situation near my neighbor which requires a gun.
[01:39:05] <malcom2073> He's the kind of idiot who thinks gun training coures are for "sissies"
[01:39:20] <witnit> training course?
[01:39:44] <witnit> if you need a training course to figure out a gun, you shouldnt have a gun
[01:39:54] <malcom2073> Ah, you're one of those :) Gotcha
[01:40:17] <witnit> I dont understand what you mean
[01:40:43] <malcom2073> I've had this discussion a few times with a few people, there's not a way in this world you will, so let's just drop it.
[01:41:09] <witnit> like I said, I just like the debate :)
[01:42:26] <malcom2073> I enjoy debating when there is something to be learned, or new insights to be gained. Debating for debatings sake is... well... there's a word for that :P
[01:43:28] <witnit> I dont quote work for the DoD either because I dont believe in shattering people lives with bombs either tho.
[01:43:48] <witnit> whenever I get military jobs to quote I throw them in trash
[01:43:58] <PetefromTn_> Well I machined all the parts for the doors I needed to make for my kitchen today. Just gotta glue them up and sand them once they are dry. The rest of the doors are already sanded and ready for finish.
[01:44:10] <witnit> pictures required
[01:46:52] <PetefromTn_> meh they are just simple flat panel doors nothing to see here... just glad they are almost done so I can stick them in there and get this house finished for the closing
[01:47:28] <witnit> lmftfy so you can GET BACK INTO THE SHOP if I remember correctly
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[01:47:36] <witnit> =D
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[02:05:12] <PetefromTn_> lmftfy?
[02:05:24] <witnit> Let Me Fix That For You
[02:06:07] <PetefromTn_> I got a bunch of things I could use FIXED around here but I doubt I will be getting back into the shop for a good while LOL
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[02:06:49] <PetefromTn_> I think I found a suitable storage place for the CNC's down in Florida today at least it is the best I found so far.
[02:07:06] <PetefromTn_> and the guy has access to a forklift as well in case we need it.
[02:07:12] <witnit> how many lbs of iron?
[02:07:22] <PetefromTn_> but we should be able to load and unload without it actually
[02:07:36] <PetefromTn_> well the VMC is like 7k and the lathe is like 3.5k
[02:07:41] <_methods> you gettin riggers to move your machines?
[02:07:48] <PetefromTn_> no
[02:07:52] <_methods> oh
[02:09:00] <PetefromTn_> no I got a guy with a bigass dovetail hydraulic tilt trailer that is gonna load and haul them for me...with my assistance.
[02:09:58] <_methods> ah riggers will usually store stuff for people until it's time to move to final location
[02:10:05] <_methods> but since you're not using riggers
[02:10:08] <_methods> kinda rules that out
[02:10:14] <bobo__> Pete here I am getting ready to pound down 1 Pt of "Northern Black Cherry Sorbet" and there you are out of cheese cake . tough
[02:11:18] <PetefromTn_> _methods this is true but every actual RIGGER I called was just smoking the crack pipe with what they wanted to move the machines..
[02:11:40] <_methods> damn how much they quote you?
[02:11:41] <PetefromTn_> bobo_ sorry man they ate the whole damn thing at her work yesterday I did not even get a slice..
[02:11:46] <Tom_itx> they are probably bonded too
[02:11:47] <PetefromTn_> like 6k
[02:11:51] <_methods> oh wow wtf
[02:12:04] <PetefromTn_> this guy is insured and everything
[02:12:06] <_methods> that's stupid high for a lathe and a mill
[02:12:11] <witnit> ^
[02:12:16] <_methods> you don't even have big machines
[02:12:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is pretty much what I thought
[02:12:26] <PetefromTn_> and that was not the only guy
[02:12:30] <_methods> damn
[02:12:35] <_methods> i'd figure $3k tops
[02:12:35] <PetefromTn_> most wanted several thousand
[02:12:58] <witnit> I payed less than 2k for 2 very large screw machines delivered from bottom of state, loaded, unloaded and placed
[02:12:59] <PetefromTn_> BRB I gotta unload my Tig unit from my van into the shop
[02:13:24] <witnit> tig unit, that outta be another $2300 :P
[02:13:28] <_methods> yeah we got a our 6'x20' plasma from orlando for $3k
[02:13:33] <_methods> and it was an oversize load
[02:13:38] <_methods> thru 3 states
[02:14:22] <witnit> I wonder if its too late for him to back out
[02:15:02] <witnit> I dont really know the rates for that area but it just seems incredibly high
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[02:18:39] <Duc> I really need to stay away from ebay when I have a idea in my head
[02:18:52] <Duc> used TSUDAKOMA rotary on the way
[02:19:08] <witnit> yup premature purchases are so easy to do
[02:19:16] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151881166863
[02:19:42] <witnit> "this is perfect" two hours later... "ohh dang I should do this idea totally different!"
[02:19:54] <Duc> LOL
[02:20:22] <Duc> $1,256 delivered. 9in unit
[02:20:40] <witnit> whatcha gwon do with it?
[02:21:02] <Duc> no freaking clue yet
[02:21:09] <witnit> hahahahahaha
[02:21:33] <witnit> welp, now im curious what your grand idea was that made you think you should get it
[02:22:05] <Duc> wanting to machine a handguard for a ar15 rifle and I want to be lazy about rotating the manual table I have
[02:22:41] <Duc> mainly the challenge of getting it working
[02:23:24] <Duc> and who wouldnt want a high end rotary table
[02:23:52] <witnit> I think you will have no problem getting it going, should be a fine project and one that has a resell value
[02:24:25] <witnit> whenever I make a purchase which is not something I am certain I will use, I wont buy it unless it has a good resell value
[02:24:39] <witnit> i am *not* certain
[02:25:38] <Duc> I will use it but I also dont make money on my equipment
[02:25:58] <witnit> yeah but equipment like that, you could!
[02:26:49] <Duc> yea I really hope it doesnt have a newer fanuc motor in the setup
[02:26:56] <witnit> imagine that thing cranking 24/7 on some long run blanket order of jobs. it would pay for its self in two weeks. and still run for another 10 years
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[02:28:34] <witnit> what machine are you attaching it to?
[02:28:57] <Duc> a bridgeport boss5 that I just installed yaskawa servo motors on
[02:29:13] <witnit> and you have an extra amp already for it?
[02:29:22] <Duc> nope
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[02:30:19] <Duc> need to see the motor first
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[02:34:16] <Sync> fanucs are not too annoying to drive iirc
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[02:35:31] <Duc> Sync: thought the new ones were difficult
[02:38:59] <bobo__> Sync: how about a over view of the servo driver you are working on ? please
[02:39:13] <Sync> like what?
[02:39:59] <bobo__> price max voltage
[02:40:32] <Sync> we'll run 300-350V DClink
[02:40:45] <Sync> price, hard to say, currently around 150€ per board
[02:41:43] <bobo__> + - 10volt control ?
[02:41:48] <Sync> no
[02:42:49] <Sync> quadrature or sserial currently, although something like rs485 would also work
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[02:45:55] <Sync> +-10V would be possible, but not with the current hardware, as we have no analog circuit on it to handle the negative voltages
[02:47:30] <bobo__> I was thinking of replacement for older Indramat drives
[02:48:54] <Duc> so do the boards interface with mesa or seperate system
[02:49:22] <Sync> if they are not those strange 600V things, that's possible bobo__
[02:49:57] <Sync> Duc: well, you can interface them with a mesa card, but you don't have to
[02:50:36] <Duc> guess I will have to see what servo motors are on the rotary table since I cant find a manual for the unit
[02:50:51] <bobo__> 300 volt DC buss indramat drives
[02:52:02] <Sync> yeah why not, you'd have to set something up to convert the torque/speed signal into something we can use
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[02:59:46] <bobo__> Sync I have trouble just trying to understand what you and ssi were discussing . but am still hoping you get it working any way
[03:00:58] <PetefromTn_> Whew..
[03:01:21] <PetefromTn_> managed to scratch the damn bumper on my van getting that heavy bitch out
[03:01:29] <PetefromTn_> kinda sad about that
[03:01:39] <Sync> pfft
[03:01:42] <PetefromTn_> but the good news is I hooked up my tank to the gauges
[03:01:54] <PetefromTn_> and reorganized the long cables and whatnot
[03:02:24] <PetefromTn_> grabbed my old Welding helmet that apparently not only deformed a bit in the bag hanging on the wall but the top band of the headband cracked
[03:02:34] <PetefromTn_> so I kinda clamped it to my skull
[03:02:45] <PetefromTn_> and put my old tig cup setup on it
[03:02:56] <Sync> bobo__: it works, the sserial stuff needs development tho
[03:02:57] <PetefromTn_> grabbed a little piece of stainless square stock
[03:03:03] <PetefromTn_> and fired it up
[03:03:05] <witnit> few things annoy me more than a helmet that falls down while welding
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[03:03:19] <PetefromTn_> Thankfully it still works as awesome as it did before
[03:03:49] <PetefromTn_> I was kinda worried that those guys over there were playing with it or that loading and unloading it would have maybe damaged something..
[03:03:59] <PetefromTn_> that bitch is HEAVY lemme tell you...
[03:04:38] <bobo__> Pete man was that Black Cherry Sorbet was goooooooood. bet the Key lime pie reports are going to be a real pay back though
[03:05:01] <PetefromTn_> oh you had some Key lime pie too?
[03:06:11] <bobo__> your key lime pie reeports . to be
[03:06:47] <PetefromTn_> well my wife has never tried to make a key lime pie but I will say it is one of my favorites aside from cheesecake
[03:06:54] <CaptHindsight> crazy glue works in a pinch on broken helmets
[03:07:24] <CaptHindsight> be sure to have the remover handy when you want to take the helmet off
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[03:08:23] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[03:08:32] <witnit> I want a tig welder, I havent used one in years and am not enjoying this old arc welder, you know those big red tombstones
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[03:09:04] <PetefromTn_> ya know I am gonna probably get a nicer helmet when I get to Florida
[03:09:05] <zeeshan> get one
[03:09:06] <zeeshan> they are cheap
[03:09:07] <zeeshan> :P
[03:09:14] <tiwake> roycroft: wanna pick up a car for me a bit south of you?
[03:09:15] <zeeshan> then we can get cancer together from the fumes
[03:09:16] <tiwake> XD
[03:09:44] <witnit> yesh but such pretttty welds :)
[03:10:19] <PetefromTn_> DUC man I am SOOOO jealous of that fourth you got
[03:10:43] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: today I anodized my pocket knife \o/
[03:10:46] <Sync> zeeshan: that is why you wear a respirator
[03:10:52] <tiwake> purple and blue mix
[03:10:54] <zeeshan> doesnt matter
[03:10:57] <zeeshan> still gonna get cancer for it
[03:11:00] <zeeshan> from it
[03:11:17] <zeeshan> i know i defnitely can't breathe as good as i did before i started welding
[03:11:23] <zeeshan> and i wear a respirator
[03:11:29] <PetefromTn_> Shit I need to make a list of all the shit I do that causes cancer
[03:11:42] <witnit> tap magic!
[03:11:48] <Sync> I can def breath as good as before
[03:11:59] <Sync> as long as you don't burn tap magic, you are fine
[03:12:17] <witnit> that stuff worked soooo good but I think they got rid of it for similar reasons
[03:12:20] <bobo__> Pete start with #1 = living
[03:12:23] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: put "waking up in the morning" as the first one on the list
[03:12:42] <witnit> these two might be brothers
[03:12:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah I mean don't get me wrong I TRY to protect myself when I can
[03:13:01] <Sync> witnit: the problem with it is, that it contains tri
[03:13:11] <witnit> yes tri something something something
[03:13:20] <PetefromTn_> methyl ethyl bad shit
[03:13:21] <witnit> very bad for health
[03:13:26] <Sync> trichloroethylene
[03:13:28] <witnit> yeah that sit!
[03:13:33] <Sync> gotta know that
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[03:15:00] <zeeshan> pretty much decided only going to weld my own things now :P
[03:15:39] <zeeshan> plus why weld when you can cnc for more $
[03:15:39] <zeeshan> :D
[03:16:38] <PetefromTn_> So with any luck I SHOULD be able to have all of the cabinet doors and drawer fronts finished and painted by the weekend. Hopefully anyway
[03:17:00] <zeeshan> http://shop.dmgmori.com/b2c/en/Merchandise/DMG-MORI-Porsche/Polo-Shirt-Racing/p/T306
[03:17:05] <zeeshan> can someone buy me this shirt? :D
[03:17:18] <witnit> how fast does it go?
[03:17:36] <Sync> you should cnc weld zeeshan
[03:17:48] <zeeshan> sync i think about it
[03:17:53] <zeeshan> fanuc robot doing it
[03:17:56] <zeeshan> one day :)
[03:18:07] <Sync> I need an orbital setup
[03:18:08] <witnit> additive and subtractive machining all in one machine
[03:18:28] <witnit> hnnnng so hot
[03:19:09] <Sync> still basically useless
[03:19:50] <Sync> zeeshan: the only annoying thing is programming it
[03:19:53] <Sync> and fixturing
[03:20:08] <Sync> so it basically only pays off when you are doing production
[03:20:18] <zeeshan> sync i was thinking it'd be easier to do with 2 robots
[03:20:24] <witnit> why two?
[03:20:25] <zeeshan> so one holds the whatever
[03:20:40] <zeeshan> and basically is a moving fixture
[03:20:43] <zeeshan> while the other gets into tight spots
[03:21:38] <Sync> ah
[03:21:39] <Sync> yeah
[03:21:41] <Sync> why not
[03:21:46] <Sync> although I have never seen that
[03:22:00] <witnit> robots are really flexible usually a rotary table can open up most tight spots and a trunnion/rotary is pretty simple to integrate motion for
[03:22:08] <Sync> I suppose two axis rotary + 7/9 axis robot would be enough
[03:22:18] <zeeshan> more dof cant hurt
[03:22:22] <witnit> in most cases
[03:22:22] <zeeshan> just harder to program
[03:22:32] <Sync> you are gonna hate life programming it tho
[03:22:37] <zeeshan> i taught the robots at the one job just using the pendant
[03:22:40] <zeeshan> using world mode
[03:22:51] <zeeshan> so programming isn't super hard using that method
[03:23:06] <zeeshan> but if you dont have a teach pedant i can see it being hard
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[03:23:17] <Sync> well, yeah
[03:23:24] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gs1SQFKav8&ebc=ANyPxKo7ZXqNLfqpFP3PRcZQpBjj_wXQtpG0BVG6Z1iQrQfyDVlvA0WSZLc6jpSm2zZSWcMggY1JqqWLK2agdtSHzkzqqDNemw
[03:23:27] <zeeshan> enjoy the vid!
[03:23:28] <zeeshan> :D
[03:23:41] <zeeshan> he does not care about any weld fumes!
[03:23:56] <witnit> once you had your kinimatics figure everything would be good I think, but hardcoding a non production run would be devastating to the setup time
[03:24:01] <Sync> lel björk
[03:24:23] <zeeshan> i like to eat pork with my fork in new york while listening to bjork
[03:24:55] <Sync> seksi
[03:25:04] <Sync> only if you mispronounce björk
[03:25:05] <zeeshan> no coin stack
[03:25:08] <zeeshan> but color
[03:25:10] <zeeshan> yeaa!!
[03:25:19] <Sync> nobody needs a stack of coins
[03:25:51] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar14v7P16zA
[03:25:56] <zeeshan> see
[03:26:00] <zeeshan> someones already done it :D
[03:26:11] <Sync> I mean, basically cheating with that fitup :D
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[03:27:17] <witnit> ohhh that trunnion is bangin
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[03:28:39] <witnit> base price for that kind of build?
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[03:28:50] <zeeshan> seeing its yellow
[03:28:57] <zeeshan> prolly 350k
[03:29:17] <witnit> i paid $100 for my mototman
[03:29:39] <zeeshan> that isn't built for a hobbyist :P
[03:29:49] <witnit> someone gutted the rotary axis from it and screwed up the wiring
[03:30:08] <Sync> hobbyist with a big pocket zeeshan
[03:30:42] <witnit> well its not any different than the old ones, mostly software changes as far as I can tell
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[03:31:33] <PetefromTn_> that's a fusion weld from the robot no?
[03:31:34] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/oakville-halton-region/cincinnati-vertical-mill/1127971906
[03:31:35] <zeeshan> wow
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[03:31:42] <zeeshan> look pete
[03:31:44] <zeeshan> !
[03:31:53] <zeeshan> i didnt know cinci made serious manual mills
[03:32:03] <Sync> oh that thing
[03:32:08] <Sync> with the single dc servo
[03:32:16] <PetefromTn_> oh hell yeah they made them forever
[03:33:25] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/oakville-halton-region/cnc-4th-axis/1137105367
[03:33:30] <zeeshan> think this has a haramonic drive?
[03:35:12] <Sync> prob not
[03:35:16] <zeeshan> 90 deg
[03:35:18] <zeeshan> ;/
[03:40:13] <toastydeath> herp derp
[03:41:15] <toastydeath> also cinci and k&t made the most serious manual mills around, imo
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[03:41:37] <witnit> best iron
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[03:42:34] <witnit> most of those machines you see look like they were rode hard and put away wet. yet they still hold tighter than many new machines
[03:42:48] <witnit> like an old warner swasey
[03:43:28] <toastydeath> i really want a #3 w&s
[03:43:46] <witnit> those gear?
[03:43:59] <toastydeath> ?
[03:44:14] <witnit> werent some of those gear and other belt driven?
[03:44:27] <toastydeath> iirc the belt driven ones are the much later, all-number models
[03:44:31] <toastydeath> like 3450 or some such
[03:44:50] <toastydeath> the main motor is belt driven but it's to a transmission in the headstock
[03:44:56] <toastydeath> 3 1" belts
[03:45:05] <witnit> good machines for heavy cuts and small batches
[03:45:42] <toastydeath> most definitely, i like turret lathes even for 2-3 of something
[03:46:04] <toastydeath> esp since they have six position stops on both carriage axes as well as x/y on the turret
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[03:48:25] <witnit> I dont think alot of people can see how convenient they are until they bang out 50 identical parts for themselves in 20 minutes
[03:49:01] <witnit> ntm 90% of the time you save is from changing tooling and setting depths
[03:49:13] <witnit> the most boring parts of the machine world
[03:52:01] <Sync> only if you compare them to chinese ones witnit
[03:53:38] <toastydeath> sync ?
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[03:58:15] <tiwake> http://tiwake.com/DSCN0104.JPG
[03:58:18] <witnit> Sync: pound for pound and old mill will be more ridgid than a new cnc
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[03:59:37] <witnit> regardless of origin I feel
[04:00:18] <witnit> tiwake: I like the color but why are you showing us this? :)
[04:00:20] <toastydeath> agreed - older machines had a very diffrent design philosophy. built to resist very large, but slow forces
[04:00:21] <Sync> maybe, but rigidity is unimportant mostly
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[04:00:53] <toastydeath> modern machines tend to go the opposite direction and try to manage large dynamic forces and are built around high speed, low force
[04:01:16] <toastydeath> static rigidity is very important in large machine tools
[04:01:33] <toastydeath> big tools are still built around the ideas of old machine tools from the 50s and 60s because the workload is different
[04:02:24] <toastydeath> small tools can be made much more productive by ditching that design philosophy and taking advantage of cam-generated toolpaths, which is the only way to use a 50 hp spindle on a small (40x40) milling machine
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[04:03:47] <toastydeath> big isn't dead because there is an energy advantage to bigger cuts, so overall a large machine will remove move material per minute than a small machine given the same spindle horsepower
[04:03:49] <Sync> yup, high mrr in small machines doesn't come from making them rigid as hell
[04:03:53] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 Folks
[04:03:57] <witnit> cu!
[04:04:00] <toastydeath> bai pete
[04:04:01] <PetefromTn_> :D
[04:04:05] <Sync> it always depends
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[04:04:16] <Sync> if your work is large, you gotta have a large machine
[04:05:06] <toastydeath> i mean, sure - but i'm talking purely about the two philosophies and why, when you can get away with it, big and slow is faster than high speed and light
[04:05:36] <toastydeath> a 50 hp DMG at full tilt at whatever insane spindle rpm can't remove as much material as a 50 hp roll lathe per minute
[04:06:00] <toastydeath> it's down to how the energy is being spent in the cut
[04:06:25] <witnit> ntm the newer machines depend on that technology to keep them from ripping themselves apart, the older machines can be put through hellacious crashes and still cost very little to repair
[04:06:25] <tiwake> witnit: why not? I thought people liked showing off cool little projects here :P
[04:06:56] <witnit> I was wondering what part of the project you were sharing with us, hahaha just looked like a knife with sweet colors on it :)
[04:07:15] <toastydeath> i don't entirely agree with that either, the best brands can still handle themselves like days of old. they're still scraped in, enormously solid, and able to break handle decent crashes because of it
[04:07:28] <tiwake> witnit: I reanodized my pocket knife today
[04:07:35] <tiwake> stripped the anodize off and redid it
[04:07:37] <toastydeath> less flying mass means less crash energy, but cheaper machines aren't built that way
[04:07:38] <witnit> ooooh, you did that?
[04:07:40] <tiwake> because why not
[04:08:00] <witnit> how did you get that fading effect?
[04:08:10] <tiwake> yeah, been doing a lot of anodizing recently, thought I would take a few hours and do something for myself today :3
[04:08:28] <tiwake> slow dip into two different dyes
[04:08:44] <witnit> I never educated myself on the process
[04:08:51] <tiwake> its not as much of a gradient as I would have liked, my muscles cant move that slow
[04:09:06] <witnit> gonna have to get a cnc dipper
[04:09:08] <witnit> :)
[04:10:44] <witnit> well I can tell you this toastydeath I had a screw machine catch fire and burn for 5+ minutes and the material was wrapped around every spindle and tool, and all it cost me was a little time with a hacksaw and some new plastic covers
[04:10:59] <toastydeath> hahaha
[04:11:02] <toastydeath> fucking screw machines man
[04:11:06] <toastydeath> tanks
[04:12:14] <witnit> Im pretty sure the ACMEGRIDLEY is the reason germany lost the war
[04:13:22] <witnit> Don't mention the war. I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right.
[04:13:58] <toastydeath> hahahaha
[04:14:24] <toastydeath> there was a screw machine shop near here that recently closed down and sold off their entire inventory as a single lot
[04:14:30] <toastydeath> all the cams and tools you could ever want
[04:14:50] <toastydeath> they didn't want it parted out, they wanted someone else to take the machines and use them
[04:15:04] <toastydeath> wish i had a place to store some sets of tooling =(
[04:15:04] <witnit> where about? michigan?
[04:15:15] <toastydeath> washington DC area
[04:15:23] <toastydeath> although i think the shop was more up toward PA
[04:15:40] <witnit> you know how much it all went for?
[04:17:46] <Sync> sure toastydeath, but you gotta compare apples with apples, comparing a lathe to a mill is not fair
[04:17:58] <toastydeath> same exists with lathes and mills
[04:18:16] <toastydeath> just that roll lathes are the most extreme example, so it would be more fair to compare it to an Integrex or something
[04:18:24] <witnit> or a shaper
[04:18:56] <toastydeath> more energy is spent in the shear plane than is spent in bulk deformation, so when you have fewer shear planes, the power requirement drops enormously
[04:19:09] <toastydeath> and you see that when you compare similar machines doing similar cuts
[04:20:06] <Sync> true
[04:21:11] <witnit> the game used to be how much steel can you cut in one hour and how long can you go before you have to fix the machine, these days large volume production is not the most common industry for business in america
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[04:21:41] <toastydeath> i think that's a fair metric though, because it's what you're really measuring
[04:22:02] <toastydeath> who cares if the machine breaks if the total cost is lower
[04:22:17] <witnit> the reason new machines arent like old ones is because mostly they do the job differently
[04:22:24] <toastydeath> i mean, i care philosophically because I love machining
[04:22:29] <toastydeath> but from a business perspective...
[04:24:35] <witnit> our industry is going to the way side, most mfg will be done 100% autonomously our childrens children wont know how to use micrometers or drive a car.
[04:25:28] <toastydeath> hahah i'm more upset about the mic issue than cars
[04:25:55] <toastydeath> when I was in college I was pretty shocked at labs where the professors didn't know how to use calipers or a mic properly
[04:26:09] <witnit> you have about as much trouble finding a person that can read a set of mics in 20 years as you do finding someone who can read vernier calipers today
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[04:29:39] <witnit> oh man I saw they braille micrometers on ebay once, man I wish I would have bought tho
[04:29:40] <witnit> those
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[04:31:26] <toastydeath> hahahaha
[04:31:45] <witnit> im serious how cool would it be to read mics without looking at them!
[04:32:11] <toastydeath> could trick people into thinking you're a machinist jedi
[04:32:12] <witnit> so many times I lose my reading from some unusualy position dimension I must measure
[04:32:15] <witnit> oh
[04:32:24] <toastydeath> "it feels like .9855"
[04:32:26] <witnit> now I REALLY wish I had them
[04:32:29] <witnit> jhajhajhajha
[04:32:39] <toastydeath> "you just have to develop a feel, you see"
[04:32:46] <CaptHindsight> 1.0345 mm, 1.0346 mm, 1.0347mm..........
[04:33:25] <CaptHindsight> stop squezzing me
[04:34:12] <CaptHindsight> too much nagging already
[04:34:26] <CaptHindsight> I'd rather not have talking tools
[04:35:00] <Jymmm> Some industrial surplus... http://www.herbach.com/
[04:35:05] <witnit> I mess with a couple people at work, im usually pretty good at judging things within a few thousandths and call out measurements just by looking at a part or holding it, anything over a couple inches long and I cant tell tho :?
[04:35:32] <CaptHindsight> the human caliper!
[04:35:53] <witnit> sounds like a bad horror movie
[04:36:02] <toastydeath> hahahaha
[04:36:10] <toastydeath> "a rogue scientist obsessed with measurement"
[04:36:45] <witnit> I would run around saying things like, ill givem the whole 9 yards
[04:37:59] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: http://www.herbach.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HAR&Product_Code=K2-003&Category_Code=BW
[04:38:00] <witnit> Jymmm: imcalling it now, that Amber Glass Storage Bottle is all mine!
[04:38:10] <witnit> dont you guys buy from under me now!
[04:38:38] <witnit> ok so thats a really good price for a giant balloon
[04:38:43] <CaptHindsight> too small for me
[04:38:49] <CaptHindsight> need 1l
[04:39:46] <witnit> neoprene balloons
[04:42:14] <witnit> does anyone need those 24vdc clear relays? with the little grey bases?
[04:42:27] <witnit> I got like hundreds and no little grey bases
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[04:42:54] <CaptHindsight> have a pic or part number?
[04:44:35] <witnit> something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/MY2F-24VAC-OMRON-MY2-CUBE-RELAY-8-PIN-24V-DC-COIL-/331270061843?hash=item4d213bff13:g:0NkAAOSwQItT0XoG
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[04:45:16] <CaptHindsight> 24V DC coil and what for contacts?
[04:45:23] <witnit> various
[04:45:40] <CaptHindsight> how many A contacts?
[04:45:46] <CaptHindsight> AMP
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[04:46:16] <witnit> probably different ones, is there a minimum you need?
[04:47:09] <CaptHindsight> 4-5A
[04:47:42] <witnit> Ill look and see if I got em
[04:48:05] <CaptHindsight> are they all different size sockets or all the same?
[04:48:08] <witnit> I can just assume there are every kind
[04:48:11] <witnit> mostly the same
[04:48:41] <witnit> but there is two different ones, I think one is like 6 pin but bigger pins and some that are 8 pin but smaller pins... I cant say for sure
[04:49:05] <witnit> i think I have ac and dc ones
[04:49:25] <witnit> but mostly dc@24 and a handful at 12vdc
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[04:57:12] <CaptHindsight> you need to know what sockets they work with
[04:57:40] <witnit> no, YOU need to know what sockets they work with :P they are just collecting dust for me
[04:57:56] <CaptHindsight> no no no you do
[04:57:59] <witnit> jhahjajha
[04:58:02] <witnit> no u
[04:58:34] <witnit> Ill look them up if I remember tonight
[04:59:20] <witnit> I got most of them bagged in like 25 pieces or so and each bag is probably a little different then I got one big bag of the same kind
[04:59:45] <witnit> Ill just have to look again
[05:00:29] <witnit> I think some are flip flopped on the N/O N/C locations from others other things I dont know anything about
[05:08:52] <witnit> how cool would it be to put a giant scanner/cmm on a robot so it can see the entire part that is to be welded and then teach it by using some kind of reflective markers/tape so like whereever the robot sees the painted surface it would work out the toolpath to do the work
[05:12:38] <witnit> I mean with the right R2D2 unit you could probably go around welding in patches on an oceanliner while its still cruising
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[07:33:25] <Deejay> moin
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[07:52:49] <FloppyDisk> not quite... still night
[08:05:25] <tiwake> nop, just turned to tomorrow
[08:05:41] <tiwake> which means my bed is calling
[08:05:43] <tiwake> so hard
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[08:10:59] <pink_vampire> hi
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[14:16:28] <HoloPed> does anyone know stuff about lasers? I want to build a 3.5W engraving machine
[14:16:42] <HoloPed> Was wondering how do you control the laser power
[14:16:56] <HoloPed> some laser modules on ebay don't specify that they have TTL
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[14:17:04] <HoloPed> is it still possible to control their power outout ?
[14:17:54] <CaptHindsight> if they are fast enough then by PWM
[14:18:25] <CaptHindsight> duty cycle
[14:19:40] <archivist> some probably expect you to pwm the supply. so not their problem
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[14:22:51] <HoloPed> is that doable?
[14:23:14] <HoloPed> are these units fast enough for that ?
[14:23:36] <CaptHindsight> a blueray laser is
[14:23:45] <HoloPed> I going to drive it with a smoothieboard
[14:24:05] <HoloPed> something like this ?
[14:24:05] <HoloPed> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Focusable-445nm-3-5W-3500mW-Blue-Laser-Module-w-Heatsink-For-Cutter-Engraver-/231791563087?hash=item35f7da914f:g:ZoEAAOSwwE5WYEO2
[14:25:33] <CaptHindsight> don't know, all it takes is for them to add a nice sized capacitor to the laser V+ and you can't modulate it
[14:26:01] <CaptHindsight> if you have the electronics and optical skills you can mod it
[14:26:32] <CaptHindsight> and since it's from China you won't a straight answer
[14:27:02] <CaptHindsight> heh " 75% Positive feedback" move along!
[14:27:02] <HoloPed> yeah, I know. Asking questions is a waste of time
[14:27:15] <HoloPed> oh jeez, I missed that. Thanks
[14:27:26] <CaptHindsight> that is the worst I've ever seen
[14:27:29] <HoloPed> me too
[14:27:54] <CaptHindsight> This is not a 3.5 w laser what a ripoff its a 50 mw laser . I had it tested
[14:28:16] <chris_99> i love their response to that 'it is impossible.dare you let the laser light to a paper for minutes?'
[14:29:07] <CaptHindsight> I double dog dare them for paper minutes the laser light!
[14:29:23] <HoloPed> any reputable source for lasers ?
[14:29:51] <CaptHindsight> cannibalize a bluray burner
[14:29:55] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6W-NUBM44-450nm-Laser-Diode-In-Copper-Module-W-Leads-/171841782371?hash=item2802918263:g:6IkAAOSwcwhVQRfE
[14:30:22] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6W-NUBM44-450nm-Laser-Diode-In-Copper-Module-W-Leads-G-2-Glass-Lens-/171841770497?hash=item2802915401:g:6IkAAOSwcwhVQRfE or with working lens
[14:30:25] <HoloPed> CaptHindsight, how much watts are those ?
[14:30:36] <gregcnc> Who was looking for one a TM-UM? http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/tls/5452921037.html
[14:31:21] <SpeedEvil> the above laser is 6W or so
[14:31:30] <SpeedEvil> $200 - but that's not utterly ridiculous
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[14:33:02] <HoloPed> SpeedEvil, is it focusable ?
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[14:33:29] <SpeedEvil> AIUI, yes
[14:33:45] <SpeedEvil> - but contact him
[14:33:48] <HumanCattle> I just fixed my gas stove today, turned out this thin copper pipe in the wall was the culprit, cracked and leaking. I removed it, jackhammered the wall and put a nickel plated brass pipe in there instead and reattached the hose, now my stove works properly, my question is why do workmen insist on using poor quality copper piping for propane gas?
[14:34:20] <CaptHindsight> quickest way to the money
[14:34:24] <SpeedEvil> Because it's not their house
[14:34:34] <SpeedEvil> And it will not fail in 5 years
[14:34:46] <HumanCattle> Therefore is it not cheaper and better if you do your homework and do your own home repairs yourself?
[14:35:12] <SpeedEvil> ...
[14:35:19] <CaptHindsight> all that matters is money, you don't spend it you just collect it
[14:35:20] <SpeedEvil> In principle, yes.
[14:35:23] <HumanCattle> The nickel plated brass pipe to replace the old copper one set me back only $3
[14:35:24] <CaptHindsight> where have you been?
[14:35:44] <SpeedEvil> Learning how to do everything has its own cost
[14:36:17] <HumanCattle> I wonder how many people have lost family members, homes to poor quality of workmen doing gas engineering to their homes
[14:36:37] <SpeedEvil> Few enough that it hasn't lead to further regulation
[14:36:47] <CaptHindsight> rich or poor family members?
[14:37:06] <archivist> plenty gas regulation in the UK now
[14:37:07] <CaptHindsight> white family members?
[14:37:21] <SpeedEvil> archivist: It is still legal to DIY
[14:37:23] <archivist> nothing wrong with copper
[14:37:24] <SpeedEvil> just not for profit
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[14:37:32] <archivist> SpeedEvil, not on gas
[14:37:50] <HumanCattle> except this morning we had a gas leak had to open up all the windows and the copper pipe was green and leaking gas
[14:37:52] <SpeedEvil> archivist: yes, on gas
[14:38:12] <SpeedEvil> You have to be CORGI (or ...) if you're doing it for any consideration.
[14:38:17] <HumanCattle> from today's experience I think copper pipe for gas is actually a really bad idea, it's soft, breaks easy and it corrodes
[14:38:18] <SpeedEvil> Or renting it.
[14:39:26] <Sync> you can't do anything on gas here
[14:39:34] <HumanCattle> I wonder if the guy who first installed the gas here was even qualified
[14:42:08] <HumanCattle> Anyway it's taken me a few hours, a lotta driving, a little money spent and a bit of drilling and some hose clamp tightening but hey I'm finally enjoying my morning coffee
[14:42:22] <HumanCattle> anyway I g2g thanks for ur 2 cents guys
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[14:42:27] <CaptHindsight> qualified? You sound like big government :)
[14:42:31] <archivist> HumanCattle, it corrodes less than iron pipe
[14:43:05] <CaptHindsight> gas line here is mostly plastic
[14:43:30] <archivist> external was iron now mostly plastic too
[14:43:45] <CaptHindsight> then it's black pipe after the gas meter
[14:43:52] <SpeedEvil> Copper doesn't generally crack unless you're misusing it
[14:44:10] <SpeedEvil> - for example vibration, or mounting it wrong so it's stressed by thermal cycling
[14:44:19] <archivist> this house was iron out and in, the internal has a leak, so no heating since 2003
[14:44:25] <gregcnc> Capt is your gas bill unusually low this year?
[14:44:59] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: don't have a gas bill, but yeah it should be
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[14:47:08] <gregcnc> OK, I know it's at record lows, but I'm getting <$30. but I think I had a bad meter for a while was replaced 2yrs ago. They also gave me a $600 credit after the new meter readings.
[14:48:46] <CaptHindsight> heh, I once had a new meter installed and the next months bill was $11K. The system didn't expect to have less use so it charged me for the meter going to full max and back around :)
[14:49:37] <CaptHindsight> direct gas connections are best :)
[14:49:56] <CaptHindsight> you can't trust those meters
[14:54:27] <gregcnc> never heard of direct connection? you have a well or they give you gas for easement?
[14:55:56] <CaptHindsight> inexperienced gas company installer
[14:57:30] <gregcnc> oops
[14:59:55] <CaptHindsight> does the term "cooker" in the UK apply to both stoves and ovens?
[15:00:16] <CaptHindsight> we also use range
[15:01:02] <archivist> range means a larger cooker
[15:01:05] <Simonious> can a cam operation be renamed in fusion 360 - so instead of saying 2D contour it says Inner Ring, etc..?
[15:01:52] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: yes
[15:02:56] <PetefromTn_> I think once we are settled in our new home in Florida and things calm down some I am gonna have to try Fusion360 and see how it goes...
[15:03:15] <Simonious> PetefromTn_: it's not my favorite, but I can't find anything better for the price. :P
[15:04:01] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I am sure... I KNOW there is a lot better out there but lets face it the price is highly prohibitive
[15:05:15] <_methods> you can get inventor for the same price
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[15:05:29] <_methods> i'd sink my time into that since it's more industry acceptable
[15:05:42] <PetefromTn_> CAD and CAM?
[15:05:48] <gregcnc> inventor without cam
[15:06:09] <_methods> yeah i think you can use hsmexpress though for free with inventor
[15:06:30] <_methods> but you could always just import the part from inventor to fusion for the cam part
[15:06:47] <_methods> my only real complaint about fusion is assemblies
[15:06:54] <_methods> it's very unusual
[15:07:02] <gregcnc> once you go plug in, it's hard to go back to htat
[15:07:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah I really do not do much assembly work
[15:07:37] <_methods> well if you're just going to stay at simple parts then stayin in the fusion ecosystem is definitely an option
[15:08:13] <PetefromTn_> No Idea what I will STAY with but again Most of my parts are not assemblies
[15:08:37] <PetefromTn_> Did I mention I got my tig unit home again now;) I was missing the ol' girl
[15:08:48] <_methods> well you can do sheet metal and other stuff in inventor that you can not in fusion
[15:09:06] <PetefromTn_> that is actually quite useful
[15:09:09] <_methods> if you ever want to make flat patterns for sheet metal stuff
[15:09:15] <_methods> yes it is
[15:09:25] <PetefromTn_> when I do sheet metal stuff I usually do it in 2dcad
[15:09:50] <_methods> well then you have to calculate stretch out and add it manually
[15:09:55] <_methods> which is fine
[15:09:58] <_methods> just one more step
[15:10:08] <PetefromTn_> I designed some nice stainless steel covers for my RF45 and was selling them
[15:10:17] <PetefromTn_> they looked pretty damn good.
[15:10:36] <PetefromTn_> the stretch out is pretty basic I just use offsets for that
[15:10:44] <_methods> personally i find the inventor skills to be more "transferrable" than fusion
[15:10:44] <Roguish> methods: flat patterns are great for reference. I use them, but no sheetmetal shop would 'cause the bend and stretch factors are all different everywhere.
[15:10:59] <_methods> Roguish: not true
[15:11:06] <_methods> metal stretches what it stretches
[15:11:22] <_methods> what is diff is the tooling and machines used by each shop
[15:11:35] <Roguish> No shop I've dealt with trusts flats that they don't make themselves.
[15:11:40] <PetefromTn_> the shop I took my drawings to laser cut and CNC bent in a pressbrake they did not even ask about stretch
[15:11:43] <_methods> i don't blame them
[15:11:50] <_methods> i wouldn't trust a flat from a customer either
[15:11:53] <gregcnc> we had different bends in the same machine when material came form different sources.
[15:12:09] <_methods> yes the metal can be diff and cause issues also
[15:12:12] <Roguish> gregcnc: exactly.
[15:12:29] <_methods> i do sheet metal all day
[15:12:34] <Roguish> if ya trust your factors, great.
[15:12:44] <gregcnc> we were bending a lot of 3/8"
[15:12:46] <PetefromTn_> perhaps you guys are talking about much more complex geometry, simple boxes and bends it is not really an issue
[15:13:19] <_methods> there are so many factors that most shops won't trust a customer supplied flat
[15:13:32] <_methods> unless teh customer agrees to get whatever they get from the flat
[15:13:50] <gregcnc> all depends on the tolerances I suppose
[15:13:53] <_methods> i just ask the customer to supply us with finished dimensions and I develop the flat pattern
[15:14:08] <_methods> because i know our tooling and metal suppliers
[15:14:25] <_methods> i know what radii i can get and what kfactor to use for certain tooling
[15:14:26] <Roguish> sounds like you have it in hand.
[15:14:27] <gregcnc> you're supplying formed parts, not flats
[15:14:45] <_methods> exactly
[15:14:54] <Roguish> go for it !!!
[15:14:58] <_methods> now we do get some customers that want flats
[15:15:09] <_methods> usually other shops that are overburdened and don't have laser time
[15:15:13] <_methods> but they do have brake time
[15:15:18] <_methods> so we'll burn them out flats
[15:16:26] <_methods> but every once in awhile you get the crazy kid who just learned how to use solidworks sheetmetal who wants to send you flats for the actual part
[15:16:44] <Simonious> I haven't done that
[15:16:45] <Simonious> ...
[15:16:48] <Simonious> but it's something I would do
[15:16:48] <_methods> and just send me a picture of the finished part with no dimensions
[15:17:02] <_methods> hehe
[15:17:24] <PetefromTn_> Well I know who to call when I need something burned out in sheetmetal then...
[15:17:32] <_methods> yeah
[15:17:34] <PetefromTn_> The shop I used locally here went out of business
[15:17:39] <_methods> ouch
[15:17:55] <PetefromTn_> it was a shame too because they had a pretty kickass CNC laser machine. That thing was HUGE
[15:17:57] <_methods> yeah as long as it's fairly simple i can get it for you
[15:18:05] <PetefromTn_> ?
[15:18:10] <archivist> how many can still do the traditional oil can :)
[15:18:21] <_methods> ssi sent us a bunch of crazy airplane part stuff to quote and my boss didn't want to have anything to do with it
[15:18:32] <PetefromTn_> huh
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[15:18:48] <_methods> i didn't think it was that bad
[15:18:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah but....Airplane
[15:19:00] <_methods> but the bossman doesn't know ssi and wasn't messin with it
[15:20:03] <_methods> looked like good work to me but i don't have a real cnc in the garage or i'd have done it myself
[15:20:11] <witnit> liability
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[15:20:47] <PetefromTn_> well from my short experience with SSI I must say he is a pretty smart fellow. I am sure he probably got it right...
[15:21:02] <_methods> yea we tend to stay away from airplanes, guns, and automobile stuff
[15:21:35] <PetefromTn_> I stay away from automobile stuff that has anything to do with brakes or suspension in my own shop
[15:21:46] <PetefromTn_> never been approached with airplane stuff
[15:21:53] <_methods> car people tend to be more trouble than they are worth
[15:21:57] <PetefromTn_> ALWAYS get people wanting gun stuff
[15:22:06] <_methods> and automotive the profit margins are shit
[15:22:07] <PetefromTn_> I used to think so too
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[15:22:28] <PetefromTn_> but after seeing the money people spend on tuner cars I have changed my mind about that...
[15:22:55] <_methods> yeah sounds like you found a good place there
[15:23:05] <PetefromTn_> I really need to get the CNC lathe working
[15:23:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah and now I pissed them off because I am leaving LOL
[15:23:30] <Roguish> ok, what's 'SSI' you're talking about?
[15:23:44] <_methods> ssi is a person in here
[15:23:54] <_methods> or a digital representation of a person
[15:23:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah he is in Hotlanta ;)
[15:24:22] <PetefromTn_> and he fancies himself to be the next Howard Hughes
[15:24:26] <_methods> he is a plane junkie
[15:24:27] <PetefromTn_> :D
[15:24:41] <Roguish> ok.
[15:24:55] <witnit> custom work i think is the only kind most small shops can do well with for automotive. production work is tight quotes and huge numbers
[15:25:07] <_methods> he gave me a bunch of stuff to quote for some plane parts but my boss is a pussy so he no quoted
[15:25:50] <PetefromTn_> witnit I agree man but there is a HUGE market for custom automotive work in seemingly every possible genre of cars/trucks/suv's
[15:25:54] <gregcnc> small mistakes in auto supply cost you huge money
[15:26:05] <_methods> yeah we won't do anything for automotive
[15:26:19] <_methods> we make the most money off of repair anymore
[15:26:31] <_methods> no manual machinists left
[15:26:34] <PetefromTn_> really? repair of what?
[15:26:39] <witnit> well huge yes, but its not like quoting 999,999 of the exact same part
[15:26:40] <_methods> we can basically charge whatever we want
[15:26:55] <_methods> repairing industrial stuff
[15:27:01] <_methods> large shafts
[15:27:11] <_methods> crazy machinery
[15:27:15] <ssi> I'm a digital representation of a person?
[15:27:16] <PetefromTn_> witnit yeah you are not going to approach commercial production automotive parts
[15:27:21] <ssi> that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me :D
[15:27:27] <_methods> hahah
[15:27:29] <PetefromTn_> no you are just a bullshit artist
[15:27:38] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[15:27:59] <PetefromTn_> _methods do you guys do that spray welding to repair large shafts?
[15:28:00] <ssi> SSI is also an encoder interface scheme
[15:28:02] <gregcnc> no like millions of the same $0.25 and end up buying back several trucks, months of said parts supply and begging dtroit not to cancel your contract
[15:28:06] <ssi> which makes life confusing in here sometimes :(
[15:28:07] <_methods> but we do a good portion of sheetmetal and fabrication work for DoD stuff
[15:28:15] <witnit> PetefromTn_: I guess I do sometimes but it has been very rare and only basic screw machine work 800,000 eau
[15:28:21] <_methods> yeah we spray weld up shaft repairs
[15:28:33] <PetefromTn_> that is a cool process
[15:28:52] <PetefromTn_> you must have some large lathes and horizontal boring machines then
[15:29:16] <_methods> http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2016/02/16/china-capital-flight-2-0-lose-a-lawsuit-on-purpose/
[15:29:20] <_methods> doh
[15:29:23] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ji7ly8cj3ax6baq/2015-12-04%2011.41.37.mp4?dl=0\
[15:29:28] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ji7ly8cj3ax6baq/2015-12-04%2011.41.37.mp4?dl=0
[15:29:29] <_methods> doh
[15:29:36] <witnit> could have a been worse
[15:29:36] <_methods> damn i'm failing at keyboard today
[15:29:56] <_methods> large auger repair we did
[15:30:12] <PetefromTn_> so that was tig welded to repair the driven end?
[15:30:36] <_methods> we spray welded the journals up
[15:30:47] <_methods> on both ends
[15:30:51] <_methods> then turned them back down
[15:31:13] <witnit> I had a little trouble telling from that camera angle, was the tpi on those threads?
[15:31:22] <PetefromTn_> Huh those welds look linear I thought most spray welding was done on the rotary
[15:31:39] <_methods> actuall i think they just mig'd those up
[15:31:41] <_methods> linear
[15:31:56] <_methods> but we do do the spray welding on some radially
[15:32:11] <_methods> just depends on the shaft
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[15:32:30] <witnit> I should buy two heavy long beds like you got there and put a robot welder on the bed adjacent
[15:32:40] <_methods> heheh
[15:32:45] <_methods> big stuff = big money
[15:32:49] <witnit> then do rotary auger repair
[15:33:06] <PetefromTn_> I would imagine that repair was NOT cheap
[15:33:11] <witnit> would be easy here cause everything is friggin corn
[15:33:14] <witnit> and bean
[15:33:21] <_methods> nah i think we charged them like $14k or soemthing like that
[15:33:29] <_methods> and it only took a day
[15:33:33] <witnit> NO WAY
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[15:33:39] <_methods> yeah
[15:33:39] <witnit> you how muched them
[15:33:45] <_methods> it was 1 day turn around
[15:33:47] <witnit> typo
[15:33:58] <_methods> they pulled it that day and wanted it back in 8 hours
[15:33:59] <PetefromTn_> 14k for one day yeah that's cheap ROLLEYES
[15:34:04] <_methods> haha
[15:34:05] <witnit> smh
[15:34:19] <_methods> people pay big money when they need something that fast
[15:34:21] <witnit> I would do that job from scratch for that
[15:34:30] <archivist> you have to have big enough machines idle for most of a year
[15:34:37] <_methods> yeah
[15:34:43] <PetefromTn_> for that job and that much cash I would buy the damn machine and build it ;)
[15:34:43] <_methods> it doesn't run everyday for sure
[15:34:58] <_methods> hahah we paid $19k for the lathe
[15:35:04] <_methods> so it almost paid for itself on that job
[15:35:17] <witnit> love when that happens
[15:35:24] <_methods> damn skippy
[15:35:29] <PetefromTn_> you can buy older large lathes like that cheap nowadays
[15:35:33] <_methods> i wish i could say the same for our plasma
[15:35:49] <witnit> i got this one machine for 3k, it banged out 30k in about in one winter
[15:36:01] <witnit> sadly job went away
[15:36:06] <_methods> yeah that sux
[15:36:10] <_methods> take it while you can get it
[15:36:13] <_methods> and be happy
[15:36:29] <witnit> 5 second cycle time for a 7 inch part
[15:36:34] <PetefromTn_> I am hoping my 14x40 will allow me to do some cool stuff even tho it is smallish
[15:36:34] <witnit> 3/8 round
[15:36:49] <_methods> that's decent for a cnc lathe
[15:36:54] <_methods> not like 14x40 is that small
[15:37:02] <witnit> spike on one end and form/shave on the back
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[15:37:28] <PetefromTn_> honestly the fact that it is more of a typical lathe than a turning center for MY uses it will allow me a bit more flexibility of parts
[15:37:52] <witnit> link to machine?
[15:37:58] <witnit> or model number
[15:38:18] <_methods> probably our next machine at teh shop here will be a big VTL
[15:38:19] <PetefromTn_> even on my old chinese 12x36 I machined drive shafts, barrels, a bunch of different longer parts.
[15:38:34] <PetefromTn_> some of them were longer than the bed
[15:38:53] <_methods> yeah you can do a lot of stuff when you "have to"
[15:39:03] <_methods> git'r'dun
[15:39:15] <PetefromTn_> I even lengthened the drive shafts on my rock crawler suzuki samurai and tig welded them IN the lathe
[15:39:37] <_methods> how'd you balance them?
[15:39:46] <_methods> or did you lol
[15:40:09] <PetefromTn_> I didn't just made sure they were nice and straight and indexed properly..
[15:40:20] <PetefromTn_> no vibrations at all..
[15:40:24] <_methods> damn nice
[15:40:40] <PetefromTn_> honestly they do not really spin all that fast anyways
[15:41:22] <PetefromTn_> nevermind when you are talking about a rock crawler that seldome goes faster than 60MPH
[15:41:51] <PetefromTn_> I did actually TRY to balance them using centers in the lathe tho...
[15:42:10] <PetefromTn_> did a little grinding on the opposite side kinda thing
[15:43:15] <PetefromTn_> they worked great on my truck and my friends truck. Also did it for another guys Toyota Crawler.
[15:43:16] <Jymmm> PHUK... organizing old project files is almost as worse as getting PetefromTn_ to actually pack and get the hell out of TN
[15:43:43] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm hey kiss my ass man.... I am working on it...really ;)
[15:44:09] <PetefromTn_> I machined the cabinet door parts yesterday and got them glued up this morning
[15:44:21] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Shit, with all that ass kissing, no wonder you're not getting anything done ;)
[15:44:26] <PetefromTn_> once they dry I will square up and machine the edges
[15:44:39] <PetefromTn_> then sand them and its spray time...
[15:44:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I am a lazy azz
[15:45:02] <PetefromTn_> gotta motivate here
[15:45:22] <Jymmm> Machining? Painting? WTF?! You should be boxing, taping, and stacking!!!
[15:45:26] <PetefromTn_> gotta run to knoxvegas today
[15:45:49] <PetefromTn_> we have a bunch of work that we need to do to the house before that happens.
[15:45:56] <Jymmm> ah
[15:45:58] <PetefromTn_> My wife took spring break off for vacation
[15:46:11] <Jymmm> GIT ER DONE !!!
[15:46:13] <PetefromTn_> and yesterday she told them we are leaving
[15:46:22] <PetefromTn_> so she took the week before also
[15:46:34] <PetefromTn_> her last day is now gonna be like the 12th or something
[15:47:03] <PetefromTn_> so when she is off and the house stuff is done we will have like ten days to pack up our shit and load it into a Uhaul
[15:47:10] <PetefromTn_> should not be a problem
[15:47:19] <Jymmm> BuHAHAHAHAHAHA
[15:47:29] <PetefromTn_> I mean we don't really have that much stuff anyway ;)
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[15:47:52] <PetefromTn_> most of my stuff is in the shop ;)
[15:47:56] <Jymmm> BE WARNED... A "Uhaul" reservation is *NOT* a guarntee you will get what you requested, if at all.
[15:48:08] <PetefromTn_> I have never had that problem
[15:48:14] <PetefromTn_> alway got what we wanted
[15:48:26] <PetefromTn_> now Ryder on the other hand...
[15:48:45] <PetefromTn_> we have moved a LOT in my lifetime
[15:48:49] <Jymmm> Yeah, well we got fucked... They called us less than 24 hurs before scheduled pickup and said it's not available, click.
[15:48:52] <PetefromTn_> for better or worse
[15:49:02] <PetefromTn_> no kidding?
[15:49:09] <PetefromTn_> they did not even offer to find you one?
[15:49:09] <Jymmm> No kidding.
[15:49:29] <PetefromTn_> we have like four or five different Uhaul places around here
[15:49:30] <Jymmm> Oh sure, 150 miles away that they would NOT deliver locally.
[15:49:39] <PetefromTn_> can't imagine them not having a truck
[15:49:52] <bobo__> I agree with Jymmm
[15:49:53] <PetefromTn_> no I mean like within 20 miles or so
[15:49:59] <Jymmm> So I would of had to drive 300 miles (round trip) to pick it up
[15:50:15] <PetefromTn_> bobo_ Don't EVER agree with Jymmm man....
[15:50:17] <Jymmm> 26ft truck and car hauler.
[15:50:35] <PetefromTn_> thats pretty much what we will be getting
[15:50:47] <Jymmm> 26ft trucks are RARE
[15:50:47] <PetefromTn_> their bigass truck and either a dolley or trailer
[15:51:04] <Jymmm> 26ft uhaul trucks are RARE
[15:51:28] <Jymmm> Had to go with Penske at $1100/day
[15:51:39] <_methods> http://imgur.com/gallery/MpdnS
[15:51:41] <_methods> joke for the day
[15:51:55] <PetefromTn_> we drove by the local Uhaul place yesterday they had several sitting out front
[15:52:02] <PetefromTn_> HOLY
[15:52:15] <_methods> i'm good for a couple gallons
[15:52:30] <PetefromTn_> I think Dacia got a quote for the truck and trailer of like $860 or so
[15:52:31] <t12> https://www.instagram.com/marcoterenzi/
[15:52:33] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: They did hen I stopped by too
[15:52:33] <t12> more tiny tools
[15:52:44] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: but not on the day I needed it
[15:53:11] <PetefromTn_> and you made a res in person?
[15:53:17] <_methods> wtf tiny tools
[15:53:18] <bobo__> pete think about putting as much household stuff on the mill/lathe trailer run
[15:53:29] <PetefromTn_> bobo can't
[15:53:31] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Online and had a confirmationnumber.
[15:53:39] <t12> those are pretty good tiny tools
[15:53:46] <PetefromTn_> I would have raised holy hell over that
[15:54:16] <Jymmm> Oh I did, spoke to theri regional dispatch manager, not a thing anyone was willing to do.
[15:54:36] <Jymmm> Unless I wanted to drove 300 miles to get it myself
[15:54:42] <Jymmm> drive*
[15:55:07] <PetefromTn_> that's surprising
[15:55:20] <_methods> http://www.marcoterenzi.com/scribes
[15:55:24] <_methods> so is that a tiny scribe
[15:55:26] <_methods> lol
[15:55:28] <PetefromTn_> did they offer you a discount for that??
[15:55:30] <_methods> or a full size scribe
[15:55:57] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: like $50
[15:56:24] <PetefromTn_> jeez that is BS
[15:56:28] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: and would have been me paying for the gas too
[15:56:36] <PetefromTn_> I suppose at some level you are at their mercy
[15:56:52] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Just saying, be careful is all.
[15:57:06] <PetefromTn_> Well I better get my azz moving here and do something...
[15:57:11] <PetefromTn_> later guys
[15:57:17] <Jymmm> hasta
[15:57:23] <PetefromTn_> hasta banana
[15:57:25] <PetefromTn_> :D
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[16:04:49] <Simonious> I'm trying to define a new tool in Fusion360 and the OK button is greyed out, so I'm assuming something isn't right, but there doesn't seem to be any indicator what needs fixing - help?
[16:05:22] <archivist> only you can see the screen!
[16:05:58] <Simonious> That's fair.. I'm soliciting comments from someone who may have some experience with what I'm describing.. I can screen shot it though
[16:07:17] <Simonious> http://oi65.tinypic.com/28chpcj.jpg
[16:08:15] <Simonious> ahh, I see
[16:08:21] <Simonious> the shoulder length is the problem
[16:08:26] <Simonious> it is highlighted, I just didn't spot it
[16:08:53] * cradek squints
[16:09:02] <cradek> it's not you
[16:09:18] <Simonious> notice it doesn't have a BOX around it
[16:09:20] <Simonious> like the others
[16:09:27] <Simonious> that's how they 'highlighted' it.
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[16:09:33] <cradek> uh
[16:13:10] <Simonious> for comparision, here it is fixed: http://s10.postimg.org/hflkagcvd/v_tool.png
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[16:21:59] <tiwake> hmm, windows software
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[17:24:28] <Simonious> Alright how does one rename or append a name to CAM operations in Fusion360? I want Contour1 to become Final Cut and Trace1 to become Flower path.. etc
[17:33:52] <_methods> maybe right click the op then choose rename?
[17:37:02] <Simonious> no rename option...
[17:37:21] <_methods> hm
[17:37:23] <Simonious> there really should be
[17:37:34] <_methods> no idea i never really tried to rename ops
[17:39:51] <Simonious> vote my post up guys :P http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/ideastation-request-a-feature-or/cam/idi-p/6045858
[17:40:18] <gregcnc> F2 no worky?
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[17:40:29] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
[17:40:54] <Simonious> F2 doesn't appear to do anything..
[17:41:46] <maxcnc> Simonious: test version or full
[17:42:10] <Simonious> uhm.. free download..?
[17:42:17] <maxcnc> what is the main work you are doing with your mashine
[17:42:45] <Simonious> maxcnc: playing :)
[17:42:52] <maxcnc> i have seen in the logs jesterday you are searching for a good CAM
[17:42:56] <Simonious> http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/ideastation-request-a-feature-or/automatically-name-stl-files-the-name-of-the-bodies-you-are/idi-p/6034586 - it sure looks like they have the feature I want.
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[17:43:28] <maxcnc> differend mashines use differend cams
[17:43:36] <maxcnc> thats why i ask for
[17:43:41] <__rob> _methods: about to make that fixture,
[17:43:42] <__rob> http://snag.gy/i0cpU.jpg
[17:43:46] <__rob> any advice
[17:43:58] <maxcnc> 2D like plasma laser ... Simonious only need like sheedcam
[17:44:00] <Simonious> maxcnc: oh.. linuxCNC
[17:44:01] <__rob> was going to use the fixture edge for zeroing
[17:44:06] <Simonious> on a router table
[17:44:14] <__rob> and dowel pins in those holes
[17:44:18] <_methods> looks good
[17:44:25] <maxcnc> Simonious: 3D milling lathe uses more complicated ones
[17:44:27] <_methods> how you going to clamp the part down?
[17:44:37] <__rob> prob normal clamps
[17:44:43] <__rob> just do a bit at a time
[17:44:46] <__rob> and move them
[17:44:57] <__rob> or, possilby that middle hole I could tap
[17:44:57] <Simonious> maxcnc: I do 3D milling sometimes, but usually just 2.5D stuff
[17:44:59] <__rob> and bolt it down
[17:45:15] <maxcnc> Q all is theee a requirerment list for the new Debian linuxcnc
[17:45:22] <__rob> also, was gonna leave stock
[17:45:30] <__rob> that trench will be for the final profile
[17:45:40] <maxcnc> does a thinclient 1.66Ghz at 512MB restch that
[17:45:50] <_methods> yeah i figured that was so you could do the outer profile
[17:46:05] <__rob> its about 1mm smaller than the profile
[17:46:12] <__rob> the inner size of the trench
[17:46:27] <__rob> so yea, I will just leave stock for the important stuff, profile to 0.5 off with clamping
[17:46:29] <maxcnc> ikipedia is only on 10.04 requirerments
[17:46:37] <__rob> then bolt all parts together, and face it to size
[17:46:52] <_methods> well that should let you keep it concentric to the bores now
[17:47:13] <maxcnc> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Hardware_Requirements UP to 8.04 outdated
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[17:54:53] <JT-Shop-> maxcnc: anyone can edit the wiki
[17:55:42] <maxcnc> i know but you need to know what to put there
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[18:20:48] <maxcnc> ok im off Gn8 close today early
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[19:35:34] <ssi> well, the official resolution is I got screwed and there's nothing I can do about it
[19:35:37] <ssi> so that's awesome
[19:35:56] <gregcnc> credit co won't help?
[19:36:05] <ssi> yeah I'm doing a chargeback through the bank
[19:36:11] <ssi> and that's fine, except I'm charging back a paypal ACH
[19:36:18] <ssi> and paypal is likely to just reach back in and take it again
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[19:36:57] <SpeedEvil> Charging back paypal chargebacks is a way to get your account killed
[19:37:19] <gregcnc> the agreement with paypal is specific about those things these days
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[19:38:06] <ssi> I have no other recourse
[19:38:16] <ssi> ebay has this supposed "buyer protection money back guarantee"
[19:38:18] <ssi> that they won't honor
[19:38:23] <ssi> fedex has admitted they lost the package
[19:38:26] <Jymmm> FIle a dispute with PP?
[19:38:27] <ssi> but the tracking page still shows delivered
[19:38:34] <ssi> and that's the only thing that ebay will consider in their resolution
[19:38:34] <SpeedEvil> Sue fedex
[19:38:37] <Ralith> paypal is notoriously biased in favor of buyers
[19:38:44] <ssi> Ralith: not in this case apparently
[19:38:47] <Ralith> it is basically impossible for a seller to win a dispute
[19:38:53] <ssi> they won my dispute
[19:38:57] <Ralith> huh.
[19:39:04] <ssi> only thing ebay will tell me is "contact the seller"
[19:39:09] <ssi> who is in malaysia
[19:39:11] <ssi> awesome
[19:39:12] <Ralith> ebay and paypal are not precisely the same thing
[19:39:55] <Jymmm> They are officially not the same thing
[19:40:34] <SpeedEvil> they drew a line down the middle of the office and everything
[19:40:39] <SpeedEvil> and bought _two_ hole-punchs
[19:40:46] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil++
[19:40:53] <_methods> hahah
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[19:41:17] <_methods> wow they normally side very much with the buyer
[19:41:21] <FinboySlick> I wonder if Tesla cars will become as hostile to their users as Paypal...
[19:42:00] <SpeedEvil> _methods: yeah - well if UPS is actively lying, then they are probably doing the right thing
[19:42:02] <_methods> so what is that seller's feeback like?
[19:42:04] <FinboySlick> Lock you out if you didn't go to the proper dealer for maintenance.
[19:42:21] <_methods> most of those sellers will bend over backwards to keep good feedback
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[19:42:27] <gregcnc> I saw a headline that Musk cnacelled an order becuase the guy made a negative comment about Tesla online?
[19:42:33] <neckro23> FinboySlick: don't be silly, that would require some advanced hostility engineering
[19:42:38] <SpeedEvil> ssi: what was this?
[19:43:21] <ssi> _methods: 66k+
[19:43:30] <ssi> I left negative feedback but it'll do me no good
[19:43:38] <ssi> SpeedEvil: just a stupid 3d printer kit
[19:43:41] <_methods> a shipment of asian ladyboy sex slaves
[19:43:44] <ssi> totally not worth the hassle this has caused me
[19:43:49] <SpeedEvil> ssi: :(
[19:43:51] <FinboySlick> gregcnc: Yeah, though the guy has a pretty good history of being a nasty customer.
[19:44:03] <ssi> I'm going to lose the rights to ever use paypal again because they decided to not listen to me
[19:44:20] <_methods> i'd avoid that
[19:44:25] <ssi> too late now
[19:44:26] <_methods> i have a buddy that got banned from paypal
[19:44:38] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if you have a case to sue ups
[19:44:42] <_methods> he's generally very unhappy about his situation
[19:44:42] <ssi> fedex
[19:44:44] <SpeedEvil> clearly you were not the customer
[19:44:45] <ssi> and yes I probably can
[19:45:01] <ssi> I can sue fedex because they investigated and determined that they lost the package
[19:45:05] <SpeedEvil> But, they must have some duty to take minimal care
[19:45:08] <ssi> but their tracking page still shows that it was delivered successfully
[19:45:20] <ssi> and ebay is using that and that alone as the sole reason that they sided with the seller
[19:45:54] <_methods> wow what a cluster
[19:45:57] <ssi> yeah it's horrible
[19:46:03] <gregcnc> but the shipper won't file a claim?
[19:46:03] <ssi> this has been the biggest nightmare over the stupidest shit
[19:46:10] <_methods> just more evidence to stay away from 3d printer people
[19:46:11] <ssi> gregcnc: no, the shipper is in malaysia apparently
[19:46:17] <gregcnc> so
[19:46:17] <ssi> even though the auction clearly said "ships from US"
[19:46:37] <ssi> here lemme walk you through the resolution center messages
[19:46:37] <gregcnc> they don't care which sucks
[19:46:51] <ssi> if our internet will work, it's screwed today
[19:47:01] <gregcnc> you posted on e before
[19:47:11] <_methods> put it on twitter apparently people think that is important
[19:47:15] <ssi> yeah every message from them was "fedex shows it delivired"
[19:47:21] <SpeedEvil> yeah - it's all completely understandable if fedex is lying to ebay
[19:47:23] <ssi> _methods: hey that's a good idea
[19:47:24] <_methods> if you put it on twitter the head of ebay will come give you a hot stone massage
[19:47:32] <ssi> SpeedEvil: fedex isn't lying to ebay
[19:47:37] <ssi> ebay refuses to call fedex
[19:47:42] <ssi> the only thing they'll do is look at the tracking page
[19:47:44] <SpeedEvil> ssi: on the tracking page
[19:48:24] <ssi> should I call the bank and stop the chargeback?
[19:48:40] <_methods> i would you don't want to anger the paypal gods
[19:48:44] <ssi> ugh
[19:48:47] <ssi> what a pain in the ass
[19:48:53] <_methods> yeah their reach is far
[19:48:57] <neckro23> if it's ACH it's not technically a chargeback
[19:49:12] <_methods> my buddy has tried to set up alternate paypal accounts many ways
[19:49:21] <_methods> and they track him down and cut him off every time
[19:49:24] <ssi> fuck
[19:49:30] <ssi> good reason to not use paypal
[19:49:37] <_methods> yeah they're ruthless
[19:49:49] <_methods> he's been cut off since the early days of paypal too
[19:49:57] <_methods> he's stuck using amazon
[19:50:20] <_methods> apparently is difficult to use ebay without paypal or something
[19:50:41] <_methods> he has to get me to buy stuff for him on ebay when he can't find it on amazon
[19:51:04] <Sync> yeah, I gotta ream some seller too, he won't file a claim with ebay, even though the stuff got damaged
[19:51:21] <Sync> yes, it is difficult
[19:51:46] <_methods> to use ebay without paypal?\
[19:52:23] <_methods> i've never tried so i have no idea but i can't imagine he would be getting me to buy him stuff if it wasn't a real PITA
[19:52:51] <anomynous> pita kebabs are tasty
[19:52:58] <_methods> gross
[19:53:10] <Jymmm> what _methods said
[19:53:31] <anomynous> http://turkinpippuri.fi/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/308x308/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/k/e/kebab_i_pita.jpg
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[19:53:44] <SpeedEvil> _methods: Sellers have to (or did, I don't know if it's changed) accept paypal. They can accept other means of payment.
[19:53:47] <SpeedEvil> But many don't.
[19:53:55] <Jymmm> oh, I thought he said TOFU (smacks _methods)
[19:54:09] <anomynous> ;D
[19:54:58] <_methods> meh i have no idea i just don't want to be in the world of people without paypal
[19:55:10] <_methods> at least until there is a suitable competitor
[19:55:48] <anomynous> you could set up a company called Pay Buddy.
[19:55:48] <_methods> and then i will gladly tell paypal to try some of my tasty PITA kebabs
[19:56:07] <Jymmm> _methods: You'r a PITA!
[19:56:13] <_methods> hahaha
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[21:47:28] <CaptHindsight> Guitar Center has 3 pin XLR sockets and plugs for ~$4ea
[21:47:47] <gregcnc> any ideas for 14 conductor encoder cable?
[21:47:50] <CaptHindsight> metal body
[21:47:54] <PetefromTn_> hehe I used those for my motors on the RF45
[21:52:39] <aventtini6> helloo guys
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[21:59:56] <skunkworks> 14 conductor?
[22:00:24] <skunkworks> why so many conductors?
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[22:02:17] * skunkworks uses stranded/shielded network cable..
[22:03:37] <skunkworks> but that is only 8 (differential a,/a,b,/b,z,/z,+,-)
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[22:06:26] <CaptHindsight> earth ground, chassis ground, power ground, ground loop :)
[22:10:06] <gregcnc> sorry, differential and commutation
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[22:15:35] <MrSunshine> hmm, so ive run latency test ... get about 4000 max jitter whatever i do .. what is the BASE_PERIOD supposed to be set at ?
[22:15:46] <MrSunshine> im getting realtime delays etc
[22:15:54] <MrSunshine> in linuxcnc when i run it
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[22:20:25] <skunkworks> gregcnc: Ah..
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[22:28:18] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:30:20] <CaptHindsight> MrSunshine: try 10uS or higher
[22:31:06] <MrSunshine> tried 10000, tried 15000 .. both gives me an unexpected realtime latency .. but the test says i do not get spikes
[22:31:12] <CaptHindsight> 25uS is probably faster than you'll ever go be high enough to not get real time errors
[22:31:15] <MrSunshine> wish i could run latency test while linuxcnc is running
[22:32:05] <CaptHindsight> the latency test is not a true test of the absolute latency of the system when running
[22:32:17] <CaptHindsight> more of a ballpark test
[22:45:01] <skunkworks> how fast steps do you need? that should be how you determine the base thread
[22:49:16] <Crom> darn it, just got another wrong mt2-jt2 arbor... with 3/8-16 pull stud thread... anyone need one?
[22:49:58] <Crom> Just ordered a mt2-jt2 tanged arbor for my tailstock/drill press
[22:50:02] <MrSunshine> skunksleep: well now i have 16 microsteps, 3200steps/mm (trying to get the machine to run a bit smoother) and i want 7200mm/min =)
[22:50:23] <Crom> MrSunshine, how many volts on stepper?
[22:50:27] <MrSunshine> 40
[22:50:38] <Crom> nice
[22:52:51] <Crom> upgrading my 6560's to 6600 stepper going from 24v to 40v ish myself
[22:53:04] <MrSunshine> but the frekkin screws are a bit bent and start to vibrate badly :(
[22:53:08] <MrSunshine> stupid china stuff
[22:53:37] <PetefromTn_> http://video-monitoring.com/beachcams/jensen/ :D
[22:53:43] <Crom> MrSunshine, check out keith fenners channel on straightening shafts and straighten your screws
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[22:54:21] <MrSunshine> Crom: i could straighten it if i had something to straighten with :P
[22:54:30] <MrSunshine> no, not heat in this case
[22:54:35] <MrSunshine> as its ball screws
[22:54:51] <CaptHindsight> MrSunshine: you want to run at 7200mm/minute with 3200 steps per mm? or faster?
[22:55:09] <Crom> so use 2 4x4's, straps and a car jack
[22:55:32] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: thats max to still be able to have some torque from my motors
[22:55:58] <Crom> it's not that hard to cobble together a press
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[22:59:09] <CaptHindsight> 7200 x 3200 = 23,040,000 micro steps per minute, /60= 384,000 (per second) 1/ 384,000 = ~2.6uS
[22:59:38] <CaptHindsight> too fast for what youd like
[23:00:35] <MrSunshine> at a base of 10000 linuxcnc allows me to do it? =)
[23:00:41] <CaptHindsight> you'll need an FPGA for 1.3uS
[23:01:13] <CaptHindsight> either your info is wrong or my math is
[23:01:14] <MrSunshine> no wait
[23:01:23] <MrSunshine> hmm 3200 microsteps/10mm it has to be :P
[23:01:31] <MrSunshine> as 3200 is one turn of the motor =)
[23:01:57] <MrSunshine> that would make 26uS then i guess? =)
[23:02:13] <CaptHindsight> and whats the screw pitch per turn?
[23:02:16] <MrSunshine> 10mm
[23:02:31] <CaptHindsight> 13uS
[23:02:53] <CaptHindsight> still a but too fast for software stepping
[23:03:01] <CaptHindsight> but/bit
[23:05:36] <MrSunshine> i get it to be 26uS
[23:05:40] <MrSunshine> how did you end up with 13 ?
[23:10:30] <Erant> Because one step is an up and a down.
[23:10:41] <Erant> set_pin(hi); <wait> set_pin(lo);
[23:11:00] <Erant> Where <wait> is one period of a thread.
[23:12:23] <MrSunshine> mmhmm =)
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[23:12:42] <Erant> Bottom line, I ended up going with a Mesa because I have to run my servos pretty fast (2048 line encoder, so 8192 'steps' per rev, pitch is 0.05", so 8192 * 20 = 163840 steps per inch.)
[23:14:07] <Erant> My thing can do like 100IPM, so 163840 * 100 / 60 = 273kHz. 1 / 273kHz = 3.6us or 1.8us servo thread.
[23:18:44] <CaptHindsight> Mesa FPGA's tend to have 50Mhz clocks, so maybe 40nS minimum per step
[23:20:21] <CaptHindsight> but IIRC it's closer to 500nS
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[23:23:35] <Erant> CaptHindsight: 50MHz crystals? Or is the PLL set to 50MHz.
[23:24:14] <MrSunshine> gonna buy mesa when i can afford it =)
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[23:35:01] <PCW> The PCI bus cards typically use the PCI clock so 33 MHz (30 ns resolution) base clock
[23:35:03] <PCW> The Ethernet and newer EPP cards use 100 MHz for Clocklow so 10 ns resolution
[23:37:20] <bobo__> PetefromTn_:may 10,000 sand fleas inhabit your mill
[23:37:43] <PCW> various sign and other issues limit you to about 1/4 of Clocklow as the maximum step rate so 8.33 or 25 MHz max
[23:39:50] <PCW> you are also limited to ~32768 steps maximum per servo period
[23:40:58] <PCW> or you could mis-interpret the step count overflow
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[23:41:54] <PCW> but not many things need 32 MHz step rates
[23:42:07] <Erant> My drives are limited to 2MHz
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