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[00:23:45] <Roguish> PCW and pcw_home :: thanks. 5i22-1.5 is in place. bit files already available (svst8_8 instead of svst8_4, but that is ok., it works._)
[00:24:25] <Roguish> JT-Shop. don't forget to add that to your good documents...
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[00:40:05] <Erant> Simonious: 0.001"? Total guess.
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[01:21:42] <Erant> Win. I just bought a decent amount of HDPE for next to nothing.
[01:22:11] <Erant> Local plastic store has a scrap bin that I frequent, had a lot of 1" and 3/4" thick HDPE scrap. 25% off meant I just took all of it.
[01:22:26] <Erant> 25% off the already heavily discounted scrap, that is.
[01:22:54] <FloppyDisk> Erant - sweet!
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[01:24:22] <Erant> FloppyDisk: TAP plastics, fwiw.
[01:24:30] <Erant> In case you ever need any kind of plastics.
[01:24:50] <FloppyDisk> Thaanks - I didn't know they did that. There's one in Fremont, I'll have to swing by.
[01:25:05] <FloppyDisk> At my last job, we found Mr. Plastics to be less expensive.
[01:25:16] <FloppyDisk> For them to cut panels to our specs.
[01:26:30] <Sync> gawd, now I have their jingle in my head again Erant
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[01:35:52] <Erant> Sorry. :P
[01:36:18] <Erant> FloppyDisk: I went to the one in Mt. View which is close to work, but the in San Francisco has insane amounts of scrap.
[01:36:29] <Erant> At least 3-4 times as much as Mt. View.
[02:01:46] <zeeshan> whre does one get 0.0015" thick al foil
[02:01:55] <zeeshan> it seems like most foil makers dont advertise how thick their foil is :(
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[02:07:06] <Tom_itx> zeeshan don't you own a mic?
[02:07:16] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: think about what youre saying :P
[02:07:33] <Tom_itx> i though about it a long time
[02:07:41] <zeeshan> cad is consuming your mind!
[02:07:45] <Tom_itx> why not use shim stock?
[02:07:46] <zeeshan> ofcourse i have a mic
[02:07:51] <zeeshan> but that'd mean id have to go buy foil
[02:07:56] <Tom_itx> i didn't do squat in class today
[02:07:57] <gregcnc> https://us.vwr.com/store/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=4526537
[02:08:09] <Tom_itx> most of em didn't show up, it was too nice outside
[02:08:22] <gregcnc> does that let me google that for you site still exist?
[02:08:31] <Tom_itx> so i sat there and worked on my other code program
[02:08:39] <Tom_itx> and helped the ole phart that's failing
[02:08:43] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: good call on the shim stock
[02:09:31] <Tom_itx> so i was sitting there going thru all the advanced class models
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[02:09:58] <Tom_itx> found a kurt vise so i iges'd it out and took it home
[02:10:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-1145-8-Aluminum-Squares-Length/dp/B0069TFYRA Thomas 1145-8 Aluminum Foil Squares, 1.5 Mil Thick, 8" Length, 8" Width
[02:10:15] <zeeshan> http://www.mcmaster.com/#9708k51/=115nnic
[02:10:19] <zeeshan> thank you tom
[02:10:24] <CaptHindsight> (Pack of 430)
[02:10:24] <zeeshan> i actually had this book marked
[02:10:27] <zeeshan> but i forgot about it
[02:10:27] <Tom_itx> your local hobby store has shim stock
[02:10:35] <Tom_itx> brass
[02:10:39] <zeeshan> i need al
[02:10:43] <zeeshan> im tensile testing it
[02:10:46] <Tom_itx> k&r or some damn thing like that
[02:10:51] <Tom_itx> oh
[02:10:53] <zeeshan> then moving onto bulge tester
[02:10:58] <zeeshan> which only has 100psi avail
[02:11:09] <zeeshan> 1000 series is perfect
[02:11:09] <Tom_itx> ask mythbusters about their lead balloon
[02:11:11] <zeeshan> if i temper it first
[02:11:54] <CaptHindsight> my local hobby store has glue and glitter
[02:12:03] <gregcnc> http://www.usfoils.com/#!aluminum/cyv3 ask them if they can help you
[02:12:32] <CaptHindsight> Chinese or USA inches?
[02:15:09] <gregcnc> zeeshan does the foil have noticeable grain due to rolling?
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[02:16:56] <zeeshan> yes greg
[02:17:04] <zeeshan> its like 40 % stronger in one direction
[02:17:16] <zeeshan> but if you temper it
[02:17:19] <zeeshan> youre ok
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[02:30:41] <enleth> anyone know a good explanation/diagram/photo showing the internals of a horizontal boring mill's head, and specifically the mechanism that moves the boring bar holder radially?
[02:33:27] <Simonious> I need some CAM - fusion 360 a reasonable way to go in the 'free' category?
[02:34:01] <Simonious> (or is there a free reasonable add on for solidworks?)
[02:34:38] <gregcnc> enleth I look at patents for information like that.
[02:35:10] <malcom2073> Simonious: HSMWorks is free iirc
[02:35:18] <gregcnc> but 2.5d
[02:35:27] <malcom2073> HSMXpress rather
[02:35:38] <malcom2073> Right
[02:35:59] <Simonious> Hmm 2.5D will work today, but.. not for everything
[02:36:34] <PetefromTn_> Good evening folks!
[02:36:36] <malcom2073> I *really* like cambam, but it's standalone, and not free at all heh
[02:36:58] <Simonious> malcom2073: I've trialed CAMBAM and fusion 360 seemed more robust.. although I don't really like it either.
[02:37:36] <gregcnc> is cambam to the point where it can be compared to fusion?
[02:37:38] <malcom2073> Haven't tried fusion 360, I didn't much like the free-ish model. No point in learning a tool that could disappear
[02:37:56] * Simonious nods
[02:38:32] <Simonious> but.. fusion 360 has active development and cambam tends to stay broken.
[02:38:42] <Simonious> at least in my limited experience.
[02:43:18] <zeeshan> i hope this aluminum shim stock comes soon
[02:43:45] <zeeshan> im running a simulation to see if the apparatus will blow up .001" thick al
[02:43:49] <zeeshan> i hope it does
[02:47:39] <bobo> hi Pete got your hung doors up ? or is it your doors hung up
[02:50:36] <PetefromTn_> bobo no man I spent most of the day sanding them down. Got the two I need to alter done and I need to fabricate another pair of base cabinet doors.
[02:51:04] <PetefromTn_> also have to repair a slight crack on another one... but overall they look pretty good so far.
[02:52:49] <PetefromTn_> Tomorrow I will head into town and drop off the final run of rails to the anodizer and mail out the rails that are finished then get back here and start building the two new doors to match the others.
[02:53:07] <bobo> Pete might keep a eye out for 4 steel "shoes" to be moving the mill
[02:53:59] <Jymmm> and a jaws-of-life to cut them off ;)
[02:54:04] <PetefromTn_> actually I won't be needing them... we are just going to jack the machine down off the pods and onto some 4x4 skids and bolt it down
[02:54:41] <bobo> go for 4x6
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[02:55:03] <PetefromTn_> why? we moved the machine here on 4x4 skids
[02:55:42] <bobo> you may be having 2 moves
[02:55:48] <PetefromTn_> they just moved up the appraisal to March 1 so I have to finish the lions share of this stuff by that date..
[02:55:58] <PetefromTn_> oh we ARE having 2 moves
[02:56:15] <PetefromTn_> moving them from here to a storage facility in the city down there
[02:56:37] <PetefromTn_> and then once we find and buy our new house down there move them into the house..
[02:56:46] <PetefromTn_> no other way around it
[02:56:59] <Jymmm> You flordians and your fancy storage facilities, betcha the toilets are made of gold too!
[02:57:42] <PetefromTn_> I am fine with the typical porcelain
[02:57:56] <PetefromTn_> but I am sure there are gold plated crappers somewhere down there
[02:58:01] <bobo> gust seemed that 4x6 was less crappy stuff. from what I have seen at the big box stores
[02:59:19] <zeeshan> can't go to look for houses now?
[02:59:37] <PetefromTn_> well we ARE looking for houses now...
[02:59:56] <PetefromTn_> and my mother is actually down there right now looking at ones we seem to like that we find online for us.
[03:00:03] <PetefromTn_> and my brother
[03:00:27] <PetefromTn_> if we happen across a great deal on a nice house we can put some earnest money into it until we close up here
[03:01:05] <FloppyDisk> ugh - sorry about the 2x moves, moving is no fun. Congrats on the new house, though. That's great!
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[03:01:16] <FloppyDisk> Or new house to be...
[03:01:22] <PetefromTn_> heh well there is no new house yet ;)
[03:01:25] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[03:01:28] <bobo> Pete how about if zeeshan and Jymmm come over and help
[03:01:29] <PetefromTn_> but thanks man
[03:01:42] <PetefromTn_> bobo yeah right :D
[03:01:49] <FloppyDisk> I see ads for homes made out of shipping containers... There you go - hahaha.
[03:02:07] <Jymmm> Sure, if PetefromTn_ throws a mean bbq and pays for gas!
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[03:02:25] <PetefromTn_> I do have that nice BBQ grill...
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[03:02:45] <bobo> and cheese cake
[03:02:49] <Jymmm> Grill? you better have a backhoe and side of beef marinated and ready to bury!
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[03:03:15] <PetefromTn_> thanks but I don't need the help that badly heh
[03:03:31] <Jymmm> Were talking 14 hour slow roasted pit
[03:03:33] <PetefromTn_> I could probably persuade Dacia to make another Cheesecake tho
[03:03:53] <PetefromTn_> she made one yesterday
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[03:04:09] <PetefromTn_> and surprise surprise none came back home with her from work LOL
[03:04:14] <Jymmm> WHERE'S THE BEEF?!
[03:04:37] <PetefromTn_> I got some all beef dogs ?
[03:04:45] <PetefromTn_> and some brats
[03:04:57] <PetefromTn_> I might even have some beef jerky in there LOL
[03:05:04] <Jymmm> lol
[03:05:38] <PetefromTn_> It is almost hard to believe that we close in just over a month here
[03:05:51] <PetefromTn_> shits gonna get real here pretty damn quick ;)
[03:09:35] <PetefromTn_> I picked up my Tig welder from the race shop today.. it was kinda sad really.
[03:10:10] <zeeshan> not working there anymore?
[03:10:27] <PetefromTn_> no just don't have time..
[03:10:37] <PetefromTn_> got so much work to do to finish the house for the closing
[03:10:42] <PetefromTn_> and time is running out
[03:10:42] <zeeshan> =/
[03:11:09] <bobo> did you leave some cheesecake?
[03:11:13] <PetefromTn_> I was hoping I could do it all quickly and maybe work there another week or two before I left but that is just not gonna happen
[03:11:27] <zeeshan> only so many hours in the day
[03:11:30] <zeeshan> im starting to realize that myself
[03:11:40] <zeeshan> after this last job
[03:11:44] <zeeshan> im not taking anything for 4 months
[03:11:55] <zeeshan> itll be all rx7 , subaru, and lathe time
[03:12:01] <PetefromTn_> I have been looking into jobs down there
[03:12:02] <zeeshan> and masters
[03:12:18] <PetefromTn_> and there are a lot of shops and businesses I could possibly work with/in
[03:12:23] <PetefromTn_> so that is nice
[03:12:27] <zeeshan> nice
[03:12:33] <PetefromTn_> around here there is not much going on at all really...
[03:13:24] <bobo> zeeshan the man who burns a candle at both ends and also the middle
[03:15:30] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/9S87AMN.jpg
[03:15:36] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/9S87AMN.jpg
[03:15:42] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/WIWWycP.jpg
[03:15:47] <zeeshan> finally coming together
[03:17:01] <zeeshan> those curves were a pain in the ass to align
[03:17:33] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/OWJ2NcT.jpg
[03:17:57] <zeeshan> cant wait to finish this shit!
[03:18:02] <FloppyDisk> what is it?
[03:18:04] <bobo> zeeshan did you roll the outside edge/ring or have it done?
[03:18:13] <zeeshan> bobo outsourced
[03:18:27] <zeeshan> FloppyDisk:
http://i.imgur.com/Hhn0Y5e.png
[03:18:30] <zeeshan> a sculpture
[03:18:34] <zeeshan> fancy water dispenser
[03:19:11] <FloppyDisk> Cool
[03:19:23] <zeeshan> the amount it costs in rolling negates ever wanting to own a roller of that size..
[03:19:36] <zeeshan> it'd make sense if i needd to roll thick plate all the time
[03:20:52] <pink_vampire> zeeshan: what is that?
[03:21:11] <zeeshan> pink_vampire: last job till i am freeeeeeeeeeee!
[03:21:32] <pink_vampire> what do you mean?
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[03:22:03] <bobo> zeeshan if you werent pressed for time ,I bet you could have done it
[03:22:16] <zeeshan> bobo maybe :P
[03:22:25] <zeeshan> right now all i want to do is finish building my subaru engine
[03:22:30] <zeeshan> so i can drive my normal car
[03:22:32] <pink_vampire> I have a cnc job..
[03:23:40] <pink_vampire> that it's also involve casting
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[03:25:08] <zeeshan> what do you have to make
[03:27:48] <pink_vampire> now it's some sort of a test.
[03:27:58] <pink_vampire> not some spesific shape.
[03:28:49] <pink_vampire> but the trick is to see if I can match the color of the casting
[03:30:10] <pink_vampire> I have a the color on a picture.. and i know it's not 100% true the color in the realerty
[03:31:31] <pink_vampire> zeeshan: ^
[03:31:40] <zeeshan> cool
[03:32:05] <pink_vampire> zeeshan: do you have an idea how to match colors?
[03:32:19] <zeeshan> no
[03:33:24] <Tom_itx> zeeshan i got a project for you...
[03:33:27] <Tom_itx> interested?
[03:33:38] <zeeshan> in 4 mo
[03:33:39] <zeeshan> :P
[03:33:42] <Tom_itx> haha
[03:35:47] <pink_vampire> http://www.farbkarten-shop.de/images/product_images/popup_images/406_0.jpg
[03:36:45] <pink_vampire> this is look like an idea for matching colors.
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[03:50:14] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFMAoy11b5E
[03:54:05] <pink_vampire> this is much better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm1rwjsa-v8
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[04:03:37] <pink_vampire> ?
[04:03:52] <pink_vampire> someone?
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[04:11:19] <FloppyDisk> I clicked into forbidden saints - nice... That guy can 'harp' wow.
[04:18:54] <pink_vampire> the rrecording on the first ont is meh.. the other one much better
[04:19:02] <pink_vampire> one*
[04:19:08] <pink_vampire> FloppyDisk: ^
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[04:20:01] <FloppyDisk> confused, but I clicked the 'much better' one.
[04:20:17] <pink_vampire> it's so complicated to write code, to 3d design, and watch the clipe at the same time
[04:20:39] <pink_vampire> ok..
[04:20:44] <FloppyDisk> i'm not watching, but listening, can't do it all...
[04:20:57] <pink_vampire> I have 2 computers.
[04:21:32] <pink_vampire> I wish I had 4 eyes. as well
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[04:23:25] <pink_vampire> 50:30 very nice moment. I'm with the A8.. so it's soo good on my ears.
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[04:34:03] <pink_vampire> 01:01:00 - start one of the best
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[04:35:56] <pink_vampire> FloppyDisk: ^
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[05:07:26] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeXmVsGjFlc
[05:08:40] <pink_vampire> how he can concentrate on playing the music?
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[05:55:19] <yasnak> 12:55AM. Probably should start thinking about heading home for the day...heh
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[06:16:05] <jfindley> damn, where does the time go?
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[06:46:20] <Simonious> Does anyone use HSMWorks?
[06:46:27] <Simonious> so spendy!
[06:50:25] <yasnak> yes
[06:50:28] <yasnak> nice paths
[06:50:41] <Simonious> cool - I'm reading up on it
[06:50:48] <Simonious> tough sell though, lots of $$
[06:51:09] <Simonious> I guess 2.5 will do a lot, but.. I do need 3D too.
[06:51:20] <yasnak> hey, depends on what you're losing by not having it or running machines with pathetically slow cycle times that cost $5,000.00 a month to break even
[06:51:23] <Simonious> and.. cambam/fusion 3D aren't awesome to use in my experience.
[06:51:45] <Simonious> yasnak: I hear you, but I work in a prototype shop, not a production shop.
[06:51:56] <yasnak> I shall BRB, need to reboot. One second.
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[07:10:32] <yasnak> Ahhhh, if only wind0ze apps didn't have such bad memory management :/
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[07:17:31] <tiwake> it only linux had half the development power microsoft puts into windows
[07:17:33] <archivist> that memory managements is worse than you can imagine
[07:18:37] <archivist> some apps take all available free memory on start up, because its there
[07:19:19] <archivist> then left to the memory paging process to try to keep it running
[07:21:02] <tiwake> windows thread scheduling kind of sucks a lot too
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[07:44:31] <yasnak> Someday
[07:45:49] <yasnak> First shift comes in three hours. Probably should call it a night, I need to be back in fiveish hours haha.
[07:47:49] <archivist> you start talking rubbish half in a dream world after an amount of sleep loss
[07:48:59] <tiwake> >experienced this in math class
[07:50:20] <archivist> I was doing day job, driving 70 miles working till 1am drive home, deliver goods am, drive to day job
[07:50:45] <tiwake> that sounds kind of horrible
[07:54:18] <archivist> was a bit hectic
[07:54:47] <yasnak> Yeah
[07:55:04] <archivist> at least it paid for a holiday :)
[07:55:14] <yasnak> You get past the epic anger and burnout straight to zombie. You then don't feel tired, but you're desperately tired. Its fun ;)
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[08:02:07] <Deejay> moin
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[08:22:58] <witnit> Mojn!
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[08:29:14] <witnit> CaptHindsight: jdh: I crashed coursed myself in plc programming tonight, and got my flashing dout-00 to go at said intervals also tripping a counter which after 8 counts it unlatches the flasher and waits for input from gcode :)
[08:36:16] <jfindley> witnit: That sounds like fun
[08:46:42] <witnit> oh man I was soo lost so many times
[08:47:07] <jfindley> how lost are you now?
[08:47:33] <witnit> oh I think I got it now, a new plateau
[08:47:46] <witnit> Like leveling up but emc
[08:47:52] <jfindley> what plc were you working with?
[08:48:00] <witnit> classic ladder
[08:48:06] <witnit> for emc
[08:48:21] <pink_vampire> someone know what is the cost of the mlcube?
[08:50:48] <pink_vampire> https://www.datron.de/datron-cnc-machines/cnc-milling-machine-overview/mlcube.html
[08:51:02] <jfindley> witnit: I hadn't heard of that. Seems pretty awesome.
[08:51:29] <witnit> oh its wondrous
[08:51:40] <witnit> I should have learned it so long ago
[08:52:11] <witnit> I do this lazy thing where I just get what I need working and then put off learning very important things cause... lazy
[08:52:48] <witnit> pink_vampire: no clue I never seen one sold :P
[08:53:03] <jfindley> pink, I'm guessing 18-27k or so
[08:53:07] <pink_vampire> it's new.
[08:53:14] <pink_vampire> just 27!
[08:53:17] <pink_vampire> what!
[08:54:08] <jfindley> unless I missed something, it's probably around there.
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[08:56:45] <pink_vampire> 60K spindle... 1,520 mm x 1.150 mm x 245 mm; with 1.020 mm tool changer in Y
[08:56:49] <pink_vampire> 27K...
[08:57:00] <pink_vampire> granit base..
[08:57:16] <pink_vampire> Feed up to 22 m/min Position feed up to 22 m/min Weight approx. 2,500 kg
[08:57:20] <jfindley> Do you know how much it actually costs?
[08:57:29] <pink_vampire> no
[08:58:26] <jfindley> Ok, I'll sell one to you for 737k
[08:59:32] <pink_vampire> the G0704 it's very limited..
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[09:20:19] <witnit> Anyone really familiar with 80/20?
[09:24:42] <witnit> I guess a better question is does anyone know of a really good small sealed, possibly washdown type enclosures for a PC
[09:27:58] <archivist> choose a standard
http://www.dsmt.com/resources/ip-rating-chart/
[09:29:09] <witnit> ip36
[09:31:43] <archivist> sure you dont want 66
[09:31:47] <witnit> no
[09:32:01] <witnit> Its going to be inside another enclosure
[09:32:30] <witnit> but I want it to be modular and cleanable and something I can add some kind of standoff to help dampen vibration
[09:32:38] <witnit> no im not sure *
[09:32:40] <witnit> :)
[09:33:02] <archivist> 36 is 3.5 mm holes
[09:33:06] <archivist> 2.5
[09:33:30] <archivist> the second table is not well written
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[09:33:42] <witnit> I just need some examples :)
[09:34:07] <witnit> that would make most sense, like where are you normally going to see such types and in what enviroments
[09:34:55] <archivist> a search for ip66 pc case gives those plastic boxes with a rubber seal
[09:35:17] <archivist> http://www.rapidonline.com/mechanical-fastenings-fixings/hammond-1554v2gysl-watertight-pc-enclosure-smoked-lid-240-x-160-x-90-grey-30-4635/?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping&&gclid=clej97e__socfq0sgwodklsgbg
[09:35:34] <witnit> sounds close, I think maybe that with but aluminum
[09:36:17] <witnit> the idea would be to add some plug and try to smash all the mesa cards I need into the smallest area possible
[09:36:49] <archivist> rose enclosures over here makes them
[09:36:51] <witnit> so im thinking stackable flats with direct jumper system from one card to the next
[09:37:38] <witnit> getting very warm now :D
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[09:59:09] <witnit> archivist you know of any systems that run emc reasonably close to this size?
http://www.habeyusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/EMB-2500_2-1024x683.jpg
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[10:00:17] <SpeedEvil> http://www.computerworld.com/article/3033802/3d-printing/mattel-remakes-60s-thingmaker-toy-as-an-easy-to-use-300-3d-printer.html
[10:00:19] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[10:00:27] <witnit> Im wanting to do some headless builds and remotely program them without an X interface things should be nice
[10:01:05] <witnit> burning fingers
[10:01:32] <SpeedEvil> 'When printing is completed, the heated print head retracts into a recess that hands can't reach. Automated Door Lock: The printer door automatically locks when printing begins, making it impossible to reach inside while the heated printer head is in motion. Integrated Filament System: Internal storage and protected feeding system keeps filament out of harm's way.
[10:01:43] <witnit> beautiful
[10:01:58] <witnit> expect cats to go in them
[10:02:00] <witnit> hahahah
[10:02:33] * SpeedEvil has just ordered a 1d unprinter.
[10:02:33] <Hawku> warm bed + box shape = cat magnet?
[10:02:42] <SpeedEvil> (bandsaw)
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[10:03:51] <witnit> next thing you know 7 year olds will be emailing eachother plans for making their own slingshots and airsoft guns
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[10:03:58] <SpeedEvil> :)
[10:04:05] <witnit> gonna be a beautiful future
[10:04:36] <witnit> minecraft +thingyprinter is the next big thing
[10:04:45] <witnit> watch
[10:05:00] <SpeedEvil> I want a printer that can do lava
[10:05:13] <witnit> ohh griefers
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[10:05:55] <witnit> How hard would it be to convert minecraft into gcode?
[10:06:26] <Hawku> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Programs_and_editors/3D_exporters
[10:06:35] <witnit> oh jeesh you guys have everything
[10:07:24] <witnit> welp I guess I can learn 3d cad after all
[10:07:32] <witnit> pew pew
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[10:07:52] <witnit> I write my ladder logic in redstone fear my hacks
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[10:09:06] <witnit> Hawku I should export the redstone in minecraft to signals in HAL :)
[10:09:23] <witnit> would be too funny
[10:10:15] <Hawku> that might work!
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[10:11:30] <witnit> Oh how silly is this, I should make a hug logic game that teaches a person PLC programming, then put in all these levels and whatnot so they can build up to learning very complicated circuits, THEN I should interface it DIRECTLY to an industrial PLC language... my friends I shall let the worlds smart phone tappers write my ladder logic for me
[10:11:36] <witnit> huge*
[10:11:58] <witnit> best idea this yeare
[10:12:14] <SpeedEvil> Hug logic is best logic.
[10:12:31] <witnit> all I have to do is give the people a list of requirements for the inputs and outputs and let them do the rest :)
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[10:16:59] <__rob> are parallels usually precision in only 1 direction ?
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[10:19:27] <__rob> https://goo.gl/photos/88r1TgJyGbRS9YTM6
[10:19:39] <__rob> trying to sort out my cutter comp
[10:19:45] <__rob> but want to know where I stand with measurement first
[10:20:06] <__rob> so either the calipers are wrong or the parallel
[10:20:15] <__rob> its meant to be +/- 0.005mm
[10:20:31] <__rob> presumably that will be in the 19 direction
[10:21:05] <archivist> are you expecting too much from your calipers
[10:21:43] <archivist> I cant see google pictures
[10:22:05] <__rob> what error do you get ?
[10:22:09] <__rob> will paste elsewhere
[10:22:12] <__rob> http://snag.gy/HzD1I.jpg
[10:22:14] <archivist> a white screen
[10:22:32] <__rob> they are premium calipers
[10:22:36] <__rob> Mitotoyo ones
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[10:23:27] <archivist> 01 is within their tolerance
[10:23:33] <__rob> yea, just checked
[10:23:33] <__rob> it is
[10:23:43] <witnit> do you have an indicator?
[10:23:48] <__rob> so when setting up cutter comp, I should really get a precision micrometer?
[10:23:55] <__rob> yea, I have a couple
[10:23:58] <witnit> use that
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[10:24:57] <__rob> how, for measureing a part ?
[10:25:13] <archivist> generally mitutoyo are good but human makes a huge difference to each measurement (dirt)
[10:26:10] <__rob> ok, yea, well it is within tolerance, confused how to setup with a dial indicator to measure a part though
[10:26:19] <archivist> you should see the variation in my 1" standards :)
[10:26:21] <__rob> I can measure the height off this parallel for sure
[10:26:36] <__rob> but I want to mill 2" squares, and see how off I am
[10:26:40] <__rob> then enter the cutter comp
[10:26:46] <witnit> try this, place material on mill bed and clamp, place indicator left of material 3.100 inches and clamp(indicator point aiming at material) take a small cut THEN place 1-2-3 block between gap between material and indicator and compare
[10:27:12] <__rob> ahh
[10:27:15] <__rob> nice
[10:27:15] <witnit> ;)
[10:27:35] <__rob> decent micrometer is prob worth investing in tho
[10:27:44] <witnit> YES
[10:27:46] <__rob> to get better then 0.01
[10:34:14] <__rob> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-25mm-0-001mm-Electronic-Digital-Micrometer-BY-/252246373215?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
[10:34:22] <__rob> they gonna be total crap for that money ?
[10:34:41] <__rob> mitutoyo version is 10 times the price
[10:37:10] <archivist> I have old mechanical micrometers for accuracy
[10:40:34] <archivist> __rob, where are you...using uk ebay :)
[10:42:32] <__rob> London
[10:42:42] <__rob> West London
[10:42:59] <archivist> 120 miles south, Burton
[10:45:43] <XXCoder> I love my mitoyo micrometer
[10:46:02] <__rob> ahh yea, just north of birmingham
[10:46:07] <__rob> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RDGTOOLS-4PC-METRIC-MICROMETER-SET-0-100MM-HIGH-QUALITY-MEASURING-MYFORD-/291628934009
[10:46:23] <__rob> thats the best set for graduation I can find
[10:46:26] <__rob> for the money
[10:46:33] <XXCoder> thats not bad.
[10:47:01] <__rob> think it was starlett or something was £600
[10:47:05] <__rob> for a similar set
[10:48:36] <__rob> right, I'll get them
[10:48:49] <__rob> cant really afford to kit myself out with a Mitutoyo set at the moment
[10:49:14] <__rob> the missus will have a fit if I spent £1000 on micrometers
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[10:50:13] <XXCoder> __rob: its bit overkill for home stuff
[10:50:13] <XXCoder> splitville
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[10:50:55] <__rob> yea, well I still want to get production quality if I can
[10:51:03] <archivist> or wait till something sensible turns up cheap
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[10:52:07] <archivist> £30 should get you measurements to microns, some of the sellers have no clue what they are selling :)
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[10:53:40] <__rob> well bought those now, will have to keep an eye out for a nice set tho
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[10:54:03] <XXCoder> I do want a nice 1 inch and 2 inch micrometer
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[10:54:09] <__rob> they dont spec the accuracy
[10:54:12] <XXCoder> didnt look out for em though heh
[10:54:18] <__rob> just the graduation as 0.001mm
[10:54:26] <archivist> I scored
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2015/2015_12_11_Bench_micrometer/IMG_2014.JPG
[10:54:27] <XXCoder> just assume very worse case of .01
[10:54:48] <__rob> well I'll check against the parallels
[10:54:49] <XXCoder> you has gage blocks?
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[10:55:01] <__rob> the most precision thing I have are my parallels
[10:55:08] <XXCoder> ok
[10:55:30] <__rob> getting 0.01 error on those mitutoyo which is within their spec
[10:55:54] <__rob> might try and ebay a bit of perfect metal
[10:56:09] <__rob> gotta be something on there for a near perfect baseline
[10:56:27] <archivist> I have 4 1" standards a ball, a glass micrometer standard, a micrometer ring, and a gauge block (worn) all over the place, no idea which is right
[10:56:40] <__rob> hah
[10:56:40] <XXCoder> I guess thats uber precise archivist
[10:57:21] <archivist> does not help that Ii cannot afford to keep the temperature right
[10:58:05] <XXCoder> yeah at work inspection is in its own room, and conditioned
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[10:58:29] <XXCoder> you could stabilize though using large bodies of water
[10:58:38] <XXCoder> bunch of barrels full of warer
[10:58:46] <XXCoder> it will average out temperate
[10:58:47] <archivist> not putting my stuff near water
[10:58:54] <XXCoder> its all sealed
[10:59:10] <XXCoder> though yeah it takes much room
[10:59:26] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-0-6-Precision-outside-micrometer-set-0-001-carbide-standards-6pcs-set-/311394362499?hash=item48808ce483:g:61QAAOSweW5VPdRO
[10:59:27] <XXCoder> HMM
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[10:59:35] <archivist> that bench mic came minus some ball bearings and was £20 collect only
[11:00:28] <archivist> actually look at last 4 items
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bench+micrometer
[11:01:13] <XXCoder> archivist: theres other way... large concerte blocks lol
[11:01:24] <XXCoder> it takes a lot of heat to heat concerete
[11:01:37] <archivist> concrete is impossible to heat up!
[11:01:42] <XXCoder> again, takes LOT of room lol
[11:02:11] <archivist> about 8 C indoors today
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[11:03:12] <XXCoder> 18c here apparently
[11:03:47] <archivist> __rob, by the way old Moore & Wright goes rusty if you are not careful
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[11:07:03] <beikeland> anyone know what Kress is refering to when they write "Full wave electronics for consistent power and speed" for their spindle?
[11:07:40] <beikeland> (for a universal ac type motor)
[11:08:31] <archivist> some motor speed controls were half wave (thyristor)
[11:08:55] <archivist> theirs is probably a triac based one
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[11:11:25] <beikeland> ah, marketing bullshit then as triac is most common?
[11:13:02] <archivist> yes triac as more common these days
[11:13:03] <SpeedEvil> I suspect it was a major selling point in 1980
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[11:13:20] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/q7Nc1Y1 - essential additions for the modern production line.
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[11:35:20] <beikeland> SpeedEvil: lol! not sure if the eyes or the reverse sorting was funniest though :D
[11:36:01] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ39xzNQBzk
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[11:51:33] <XXCoder> lots of splits.
[11:51:33] <XXCoder> so, where is my banana for split? heh
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[13:28:52] <Jymmm> Plastic enclosures, OBD2, DIN, IP67, rack mount, (pendant?)
http://www.pactecenclosures.com/
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[13:50:45] <witnit> Jymmm: thanks looks like a good resource, I am needing to attach a heavy duty enclosure to this type of head, then inside that I wanted a rack mountable slide in plug system for mesa cards.
[13:50:56] <witnit> http://www.govro.com/images/model300_ill.gif
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[14:03:59] <CaptHindsight> witnit: I make most of my own enclosures now. Unless it's for a PC/server.
[14:04:13] <witnit> I dont have cnc mill :/
[14:04:23] <miss0r> I have a quick question for you guys. And this is just for future refrence - as I already fucked up :) Yesterday I ran a series of workpeices in the CNC, which I wanted to continue on today. I placed the mill in 0,0,0 (x,y,z - not that it matters). Today when I booted up, I started homing the machine in the given position. then I did a touchoff, still standing at 0,0,0. I then went on to
[14:04:23] <miss0r> unhoming the machine, to move it clear of the workarea, and then home it there. This ofcourse cleared all positioning, naming the new coordinates 0,0,0 again. What is the correct procedure in doing so? reusing the mills position?
[14:05:14] <witnit> If i design it up, would you want to make a couple prototypes?
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[14:07:22] <CaptHindsight> witnit: you might find someone affordable here to do that for you
[14:07:31] <miss0r> witnit: what prototypes are we talking ? :)
[14:07:50] <witnit> we have a taker!
[14:08:05] <witnit> Just enclosure for mesa cards
[14:08:19] <miss0r> picture of an example?
[14:09:19] <miss0r> so I know what we are talking about/your expectations
[14:10:05] <witnit> let me see if I can find something
[14:11:42] <_methods> missor you need to use g54,g55,g56 etc for diff workpiece coordinate systems
[14:12:16] <_methods> so you set your machine home and leave it that way
[14:12:19] <CaptHindsight> miss0r:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MillSetup
[14:12:20] <miss0r> _methods: but it won't allow that before I have set machine home?
[14:12:41] <_methods> i guess i don't understand what you are saying then
[14:13:11] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: then home it first
[14:13:12] <miss0r> alright. machine home is some 'unknown coordinate' in this case. But I do know where I left the mill acording to the workpeice.
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[14:14:10] <miss0r> I want something that allows me to zero the coordinates, and them move off the workpeice to give it a machine home position
[14:14:33] <_methods> yeah i don't know how you would do that if you set it as machine home
[14:14:51] <_methods> i guess you could set it home then unhome and record the distance you move
[14:15:06] <miss0r> yeah - no no easy fix :)
[14:15:13] <_methods> then move to the "machine home" and then move back that amount and set that as work
[14:15:15] <miss0r> so no easy fix*
[14:15:38] <_methods> nothing besides recording the dist between the 2 positions
[14:15:40] <_methods> that i know of
[14:15:53] <miss0r> anyway, with the backlash compensation on this mill, it is probally best to rehome it after reboot anyway
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[14:16:19] <_methods> that would probably be safest
[14:16:40] <_methods> i always try to make sure i have a feature to re-zero on if something happens
[14:16:42] <miss0r> indeed. allthou more time comsuming :) I have 56 workpeices to complete today
[14:16:53] <_methods> that way if i lose machine home somehow i can recover
[14:17:03] <miss0r> smart :)
[14:17:20] <_methods> you never know when power may go out or whatever
[14:17:25] <_methods> especially with hobby cnc
[14:17:33] <witnit> like this but aluminum
[14:17:35] <witnit> http://www.globalspec.com/npapics/98/151699_050420122886_ExhibitPic.jpg
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[14:17:56] <witnit> sealed and compact
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[14:18:34] <witnit> less curves too, something square on all sides so I can slide it into a rack and it plugs in
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[14:20:59] <CaptHindsight> 7 pieces milled
[14:21:25] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: What are you working on?
[14:21:28] <witnit> extrubed aluminum with caps for each end would work too
[14:21:45] <CaptHindsight> if you can find matching extrusion
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[14:22:09] <miss0r> I send you a private message, witnit
[14:22:18] <witnit> I was curious about 80/20 having a functional standard or if I should just buy ewctangle tubing
[14:22:54] <CaptHindsight> witnit: standard what?
[14:24:40] <witnit> like a common extruded shape
[14:25:06] <witnit> something I can use now and know I will still have as an option to connect to other similar structural items in the future
[14:25:33] <witnit> the less holes a guy has to drill in a part the better
[14:26:15] <CaptHindsight> you're making a few enclosures not 476,543
[14:26:39] <archivist> premature optimisation
[14:28:04] <witnit> thats not really the point though, I would like to finally settle on a standard, im quite displeased with having 10 different frankenstein boxes, ntm after all the extra wire and din rail and so forth its more trouble than picking a standard route
[14:28:28] <witnit> they make 50 pin headers for a reason
[14:29:02] <witnit> I would just assume handle the pins with software, not little green wire terminal screw downs
[14:30:03] <archivist> you still have to get the wire from remote to the green connector :)
[14:30:27] <witnit> not a big deal when you have premade 50 pin ribbon cable
[14:30:38] <witnit> and ditch the little green connectors
[14:31:13] <CaptHindsight> LPT cables
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[14:32:05] <CaptHindsight> the IO that connects to electrical devices on the machine are infinitely variable
[14:32:20] <witnit> yeah but mesa cards use 50 pin headers
[14:32:30] <witnit> well, the ones I picj
[14:32:32] <witnit> pick*
[14:33:09] <archivist> unwise use of ribbon can give you noise problems
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[14:33:52] <witnit> yeah but the idea is to just jump straight across with a header extension block
[14:34:07] <CaptHindsight> and good luck finding anyone to agree with your choice of how to handle your new standard
[14:34:19] <witnit> ?
[14:34:39] <archivist> there can be no one right answer to fit all
[14:35:17] <_methods> 42
[14:35:20] <witnit> why is using 50 pin headers that connect directly to 50 pin headers with 50 pin ribbon cable new standard?
[14:37:21] <CaptHindsight> witnit: are these the connection from the FPGA to IO boards or from IO boards to the machine?
[14:37:48] <witnit> fpga to optos and daughter
[14:38:53] <CaptHindsight> witnit: you want to run ribbon cable between the FPGA card in one enclosure to the IO daughter cards in a different enclosure?
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[14:39:43] <witnit> look at card 7i90+7i33 and look at this
http://www.smtnet.com/media/images/IMG_0243.JPG
[14:40:00] <witnit> nope all same box
[14:40:52] <CaptHindsight> what does this have to do with the picture of the enclosure example you first posted?
[14:40:56] <witnit> but you would be able to add a second opto card or add a second 7i33 or replace with 7i48 plug and go
[14:41:32] <witnit> I want the entirety in a hoffman enclosure with a rack mounted inside which I can plug the cards into.
[14:41:33] <CaptHindsight> this pic
http://www.globalspec.com/npapics/98/151699_050420122886_ExhibitPic.jpg
[14:41:58] <witnit> the card would go into that ribbon cable to the end and plug into backpane
[14:42:18] <witnit> but i want it sealed
[14:43:56] <witnit> think about a rackmount server
[14:43:59] <witnit> but mesa cards
[14:44:12] <witnit> now put it inside a hoffman box
[14:45:23] <CaptHindsight> witnit: I'm sure you have an idea in your mind about how this looks, and I follow you to a point but unless you can clearly convey the info or provide drawings i see about another 300 lines of IRC to really be on the same page
[14:45:34] <CaptHindsight> that is what a product spec is for
[14:45:57] <witnit> Its hard to explain what you want when you dont know what the name of what you want is called though
[14:48:07] <_methods> i think what you want is called a fanuc lol
[14:48:32] <witnit> they use alot of 50 pin cables?
[14:48:42] <_methods> nah i think it all just plugs into backplanes
[14:48:48] <witnit> sounds glorious
[14:51:02] <witnit> I guess im not explaining it very well but methods is mentioning exactly what im talking about, alot of hardware these days is becoming modular. maybe modular plug in system what im after
[14:51:25] <witnit> instead of wiring each little wire, you just plug it in
[14:53:35] <archivist> that only works where you have a single design source
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[14:53:46] <witnit> ?
[14:54:20] <archivist> each design source has their own different modular system
[14:54:43] <witnit> yeah but headers have been around a very long time, think of SCSI they use the same cables
[14:54:52] <archivist> make you stick to one supplier
[14:55:02] <witnit> its not exactly what someone would call a NEW standard
[14:55:08] <malcom2073> There are quite a few (possibly hundreds?) of different header standards
[14:55:21] <malcom2073> PC104 is a personal favorite of mine for explaining why standards usck :P
[14:55:22] <malcom2073> suck*
[14:55:54] <witnit> so are you guys suggesting I should not use a mesa card if it has a 50 pin header cable O.o
[14:56:22] <archivist> https://xkcd.com/927/
[14:56:36] <malcom2073> I think we're trying to understand what you're on about. If you want to make all your stuff use the same pinout, by all means that's a good idea
[14:56:49] <malcom2073> I use a fairly standard stepper connector for my stuff, so I can plug and play steppers most anyhwere
[14:57:08] <witnit> I just dont understand why anyone would want to make it more complicated than it is.
[14:58:00] <malcom2073> Because person A's way of making it less complicated isn't as good as my way of making it less complicated :-D
[14:58:09] <malcom2073> Thus: Many ways to make it less complicated
[14:59:20] <malcom2073> Your best bet, would be to make it less complicated in your own way, and be consistant among your own devices.
[14:59:59] <witnit> 7i90 uses header for the SPP cable header and three more header cables for the fpga, then the daughter card used header, and the opto22's i have use header cable, yet you really think its unreasonable to use header cables over using the little green connectors on the 7i33TA for example?
[15:00:29] <archivist> depends!
[15:00:32] <malcom2073> Depends on a lot of things. How often you're connecting/disconnecting things (header cables are terrible for insert reliability)
[15:01:15] <archivist> some are like 15 insertions
[15:01:27] <witnit> -_- 15?
[15:01:33] <witnit> serious
[15:01:36] <archivist> yes
[15:01:46] <malcom2073> Yeah some of the the chinese crimp pins are absolutly terrible
[15:01:55] <pcw_home> good header connector are OK for at least 50 (and our test jigs get ~200 or so)
[15:02:09] <witnit> sounds much more accurate to me
[15:02:33] <witnit> I have been unplugging and plugging in hdds for years, way more often than I do my mesa cards for what thats worth
[15:02:52] <malcom2073> Accuracy is relative, and anecdotal knowlege is no replacement for manufacturer spec sheets :P
[15:03:14] <pcw_home> Usually on our test jigs, the wires break first
[15:03:46] <witnit> sounds more likely anyhow if im plugging into a backpane the contacts are soldered, not crimped
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[15:03:57] <pcw_home> Anecdotal with 10s or thousands of ops is more than just anecdotal
[15:05:09] <pcw_home> we've been doing loopback testing with flat cables for more than 30 years
[15:05:36] <witnit> I honestly feel like the header is one the absolute most common standards there is
[15:05:49] <witnit> I just dont see how its all that unusual or rare to want to use them
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[15:06:25] <CaptHindsight> high durability connectors >500 cycles tend to have self cleaning/lubricating mechanisms
[15:06:57] <_methods> that's what she said
[15:07:14] <witnit> I remember getting old video cards and they had these standoff blocks to connect to another card you could addon, like a tv in card or something silly
[15:07:37] <witnit> a couple of those in a 90degree turn and im in business
[15:08:14] <archivist> 3M quote 50 cycles
[15:08:36] <pcw_home> Besides, why would you have more than 10-20 cycles even if you had some trouble?
[15:09:06] <witnit> its just for pulling out a card that took a shit and putting in a new one or upgrading a 4 axis system to a 6
[15:09:32] <witnit> its not like its some nintendo cartridge i want to swap on the daily
[15:09:46] <malcom2073> Some of us use the same hardware for multiple machines, so a lot of things get moved around, fairly often heh
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[15:10:04] <witnit> well if you do such things maybe invest in some aphenols
[15:10:13] <witnit> far too costly for my needs
[15:10:29] <malcom2073> I use amphenol AT connectors actually heh
[15:11:08] <malcom2073> at $2-3 a pop, they're not terrible, but they're cable connectors not board connectors
[15:11:17] <witnit> there are some good bendix and other mil spec push turns that are nice too, obviously not for this situation tho
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[15:51:19] <Frank__5> :D
[15:51:36] <witnit> howwwddyy frank
[15:52:37] <Frank__5> hellooo
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[16:07:43] <Simonious> CAM seems to be in a dismal state in the world. :/
[16:09:07] <jesseg> CAM is massively complex :P
[16:09:18] <Simonious> heh, so it seems
[16:09:18] <jesseg> it shouldn't even work :P
[16:09:22] <Simonious> I just want.... <>
[16:09:39] <gregcnc> What's wrong with CAM?
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[16:13:27] <Simonious> gregcnc: everyone is making it some are charging a fortune, others are giving it away, most of the interfaces seem poor. *shrugs* I'm speaking from a position of a novice though
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[16:14:50] <gregcnc> CAM makes money therefor it has value.
[16:15:02] <_methods> kinda like yelling that shovels are horrible
[16:15:14] <_methods> but i've only used them one time
[16:15:15] <_methods> lol
[16:15:21] <Simonious> guilty
[16:15:39] <_methods> tell that to the guy with no shovel hahah
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[16:15:42] <gregcnc> have you actually tried fusionyet?
[16:15:50] <Simonious> I spent a fair bit of time with cambam and with fusion 360
[16:15:58] <_methods> yeah fusion is pretty damn good for free
[16:16:08] <gregcnc> fusion is excellent for free
[16:16:12] <Simonious> thinking about trying HSMXpress
[16:17:01] <_methods> i've never used hsm before but i think it's pretty simple like fusion
[16:17:23] <gregcnc> HSMXpress is awesome if you only need 2.5D
[16:17:34] <Simonious> that'll get me by on some days
[16:18:22] <gregcnc> hsmworks, fusion, dlecam = autodesk
[16:18:28] <gregcnc> delcam
[16:18:41] <Simonious> gregcnc: is that good or bad?
[16:18:41] <_methods> i've been meaning to try powermill out
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[16:19:30] <gregcnc> I don't know autodesk bought a lot of CAM in the last few years
[16:19:51] <_methods> yeah they're tryin to recover some market before solidworks takes it all up
[16:20:38] <archivist> after solidworks there is no going back to etcha sketch
[16:22:19] <_methods> it does make it difficult lol
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[16:29:16] <gregcnc> Fusion CAM looks just like HSM Works products.
[16:29:36] <_methods> they're basically the same right?
[16:29:42] <_methods> just fusion is cut down
[16:29:46] <_methods> less options
[16:30:26] <gregcnc> I would think so. I'm looking at 2D Fusion and it's the same as HSMXpress.
[16:30:57] <_methods> i've never used hsm so i have no clue
[16:30:58] <gregcnc> I'm under the impression posts are virtually identical.
[16:31:00] <_methods> only used fusion
[16:31:01] <Simonious> my reading leads me to believe they have the same engine
[16:32:12] <witnit> look up the common errors in the forums and see if they show up on both programs
[16:32:23] <witnit> if so you can probably assume they are
[16:32:37] <_methods> i honestly don't care that much to find out lol
[16:32:45] <witnit> hahaha yeshbut you COULD
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[16:38:20] <gregcnc> Hmm mecsoft updated their freemill. now it runs as a plug-in in SW
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[16:39:14] <gregcnc> it's weak, but probably just as good as the VisualMill5 I bought from them years ago.
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[16:43:33] <rene-dev> any profibus experts around?
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[16:51:14] <gregcnc> freemill is terrible, don't even waste your time
[16:53:55] <t12> anyone ever make 6-40 or 6-32 flat bottom fitting ports?
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[16:54:31] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dw49w55vgot46eu/File-1422455714%20%281%29.pdf?dl=0
[16:54:32] <t12> like that
[16:56:08] <witnit> no but if you decide you need about 10,000 of them i'd be happy to quote =D
[16:56:23] <t12> hah nope like 8 holes :(
[16:56:55] <witnit> heh, my machine has 5 spindles so I guess the job wouldnt quite be worth setting up :)
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[17:02:03] <archivist> what is the average set up time for those beasts
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[17:14:19] <_methods> yeah that's a lot of spindles
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[17:19:13] <Simonious> t12: watcha doing with those?
[17:29:13] <t12> fluidics ports for a weird custom ce instrunent
[17:29:44] <t12> at least i dont have to do conical ports
[17:29:51] * Simonious ponders
[17:29:56] <Simonious> doing a research experiment?
[17:29:59] <t12> i assume theres custom tools for those
[17:30:08] <t12> helping someone else build theirnrig
[17:30:11] <t12> their rig
[17:30:27] <Simonious> Some kind of test rig to test flows?
[17:30:29] <t12> ce -> esi ms/ms
[17:31:07] <t12> mainly weird assembly to get multiple capillaries into tiny tiny sample vial
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[17:31:41] <Simonious> Sounds like a university chemistry department toy
[17:31:50] <t12> yeah more or less
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[17:33:43] <gregcnc> flat bottom drill or drill and follow up with a shop made D-reamer
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[17:35:00] <_methods> grind a drill flat
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[17:35:15] <_methods> or end mill
[17:35:30] <t12> i think im going to use a 7/64 and let it be slightly too big
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[17:35:49] <t12> then just drill the center and tap the threads
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[17:36:14] <_methods> at least it doesn't need an oring groove in the bottom
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[17:36:33] <t12> the fitting has a weird ferrule that handles all that
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[17:37:40] <t12> 4x of those in a chamfer on a chunknof peek
[17:37:57] <gregcnc> the larger port drawings have surface finish flatness specs and the small one doesn't
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[17:39:50] <t12> these are low pressure fortunately
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[17:39:58] <t12> so should be easy
[17:40:00] <t12> in peek
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[17:41:16] <t12> for the 15kpsi stainless coned ones i thinknit gets hard :(
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[17:45:29] <MrSunshine> heh, had an Athlon 64 laying around (And an Athlon 64 X2 cpu), changed cpu and put the harddrive in that computer insted ... biggest lagspike ive seen so far is 6500 and that has only happened one time =)
[17:45:39] <MrSunshine> else its steady at 3 - 4kns
[17:45:55] <MrSunshine> using irq affinity, without it its alot higher
[17:47:25] <Simonious> alright.. did a ton of reading on CAM.. looks like Fusion 360 is probably worth putting some more time into.
[17:48:40] <MrSunshine> yeah fusion360 is awesome =)
[17:48:57] <CaptHindsight> t12: did you ever sell off that DNA lab?
[17:48:58] <gregcnc> what kind of problems were you having with fusion before? I've been thinking about trying it but am not about to give up SW.
[17:51:04] <_methods> you can import your part into fusion
[17:51:20] <_methods> so you don't have to use it to draw
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[17:51:31] <_methods> it's pretty terrible for assemblies
[17:51:51] <_methods> drawing individual parts is pretty much like inventor
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[17:52:33] <maxcnc> hi all ;-)
[17:53:14] <t12> capt: yeah its all auctioned off
[17:53:33] <CaptHindsight> oh well
[17:53:55] <t12> got some work setting some of it up for buyers
[17:54:00] <t12> which is nice
[17:54:24] <CaptHindsight> t12: did any of the patents go with the machines?
[17:54:38] <t12> not sure
[17:54:48] <t12> i dunno if anyone bought them
[17:55:14] <t12> does that mean they become public if the co dissolves holding them?
[17:55:42] <maxcnc> Simonious: what is your main work the CAM will need to cope with
[17:55:43] <CaptHindsight> it's in the corporate charter I'm sure
[17:56:08] <t12> i assume theres someone who buys those up cheap
[17:56:16] <t12> or one of the lowball bidders gets it or smth
[17:57:49] <CaptHindsight> DesignerKids GenesandThings
[18:01:27] <Jymmm> witnit: cool
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[18:15:48] <Jymmm> http://www.frys.com/product/8714801
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[18:36:47] <maxcnc> archivist ?
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[18:38:23] <maxcnc> Q Someone on Windows ? i uploaded the Garden and Painter Catalog to my new Webside and need to check if it is working on Windows also
[18:38:54] <maxcnc> hee is all Ubuntu stuff no windoof PC at all
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[18:40:51] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: ? hast du gerade win am laufen ?
[18:50:07] <Roguish> send a link
[18:51:04] <maxcnc> http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/
[18:51:18] <maxcnc> please HIT SORTIMENT and then GARDEN
[18:51:37] <maxcnc> Thanks
[18:52:02] <CaptHindsight> are there any X86 tablets with Ethernet?
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[18:58:39] <maxcnc> Roguish: ?
[18:58:55] <maxcnc> need to go home ;-)
[18:59:02] <maxcnc> long workdays here
[18:59:27] <Roguish> it come up ok. where's the English translation?
[18:59:39] <maxcnc> lost in Space
[18:59:45] <maxcnc> Thanks BYE Gn8
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[19:00:11] <Roguish> ciao
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[19:08:21] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Lost in space?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWwOJlOI1nU
[19:08:47] <Jymmm> bah, he left =(
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[19:30:03] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: that and "Resistance is Futile" come in pretty handy
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[19:40:43] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: =)
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[19:55:10] <MrSunshine> steady om < 4000ns jitter =)
[19:55:23] <Loetmichel> that MaxCNC has no patience ;)
[19:56:50] <Loetmichel> MrSunshine: b ought some used thinkcentres lately... couldnt get them below 480000ns :-(
[19:57:45] <MrSunshine> hehe i boight a D510mo before and have used that .. with latency spikes of > 20k , then with some tweaking i got that down to ~8k, but had an amd laying around and some cpus so i thought .. what the hell and swapped the hd and stuff and did latency test =)
[19:57:59] <MrSunshine> ALOT better, and have loads of pci parport cards laying around =)
[19:58:07] <Loetmichel> https://www.itsco.de/pc-lenovo-thinkcentre-a62-amd-athlon-64-x2-5000b-2x-2-6ghz-7062-20509.html <- NOT usable for LinuxCNC
[19:58:20] <MrSunshine> Loetmichel: tried irq tweaks ?
[19:58:42] <Loetmichel> no, not yet
[19:59:07] <MrSunshine> do that, this mobo im using now had spikes of about 30k without tweaks, isol cpus and vesa buffer
[19:59:12] <Loetmichel> i think its a powermanagement thing, it only happens after lidle for a few seconds
[19:59:32] <MrSunshine> Loetmichel: idle=noop or something ?
[19:59:37] <Loetmichel> but then it peaks up to 600k
[19:59:53] <Loetmichel> i dont have it here
[20:00:02] <Loetmichel> the 2 machines sit at the company
[20:00:16] <MrSunshine> try tweaking, use vesa etc =)
[20:00:20] <MrSunshine> set-irq-affinity thingie
[20:00:21] <Loetmichel> you can even HEAR it in the machine tho...
[20:00:30] <Loetmichel> liner runs sound "jerky"
[20:00:32] <Loetmichel> linear
[20:00:35] <MrSunshine> hehe =)
[20:02:14] <CaptHindsight> Gadzooks! Newegg doesn't even offer search term Ethernet when power searching for laptops or tablets
[20:02:33] <Loetmichel> MrSunshine: i dont need top jetk around wit them
[20:03:00] <Loetmichel> i bought them for "cheap" and under the impression that the company needs a few more "surfstations" anyway
[20:03:08] <MrSunshine> ah ok =)
[20:03:25] <Loetmichel> so i will use them as surfstations and buy some different boxes for linuxCNC
[20:03:39] <Loetmichel> would have been nice to get some cheap boxes for CNC tho
[20:03:55] <Loetmichel> have you followed the link?
[20:04:07] <Loetmichel> itsco is a germen refurbisher of leased systems
[20:04:11] <Loetmichel> reseller
[20:04:14] <Loetmichel> german
[20:04:38] <Loetmichel> they have very cheap systems and laptops
[20:04:43] <Loetmichel> so i tend to buy there a lot
[20:05:38] <MrSunshine> heh cool =)
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[20:18:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7KW2TJ0426 $170 refurbed Dell with 17" monitor and LAN
[20:18:28] <CaptHindsight> I wonder how crappy they are
[20:19:05] <CaptHindsight> this + 7i92 might work
[20:19:29] <CaptHindsight> and they still have LPT ports!
[20:20:27] <Roguish> watch the processor speed.
[20:20:42] <Roguish> and you may be able to sell the winxp license.
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[20:22:06] <Ralith> why would processor speed be a problem
[20:22:18] <Ralith> I can't imagine anything made in the last decade being too slow
[20:24:04] <Roguish> you can't be too fast, but it could be too slow, depends on the setup. if cpu is doing the stepping, then ???? if not, probably not an issue
[20:29:49] <CaptHindsight> searching the Lenovo site for "laptop ethernet" only comes up with accessories
[20:31:36] <t12> is there a modern easy supplier of tape transport rollers
[20:31:39] <t12> or something similar
[20:31:40] <CaptHindsight> for a new laptop it looks like you're up to $300 for something with wired LAN
[20:31:50] <t12> like cassette tape rubber on a shaft rollers
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[20:32:47] <CaptHindsight> t12: what size?
[20:32:56] <t12> flexible
[20:33:04] <t12> i need to slide 50um wires around
[20:33:08] <t12> like a tiny tiny wire feeder
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[20:33:53] <t12> essentially need to feed them down a tube slowly
[20:34:09] <t12> going for teflon block, a guide tube and a little transport roller
[20:34:31] <CaptHindsight> urethane + lathe = roller :)
[20:35:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.escoplastics.com/urethane-rollers.html
[20:35:34] <Roguish> CaptHindsight. I use a bare MB, mem stick, and ssd. total well $200 (no case included.)
[20:36:18] <t12> awesome exactly what i was looking for
[20:36:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.kunzind.com/
[20:37:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.precisionurethane.com/polyurethane-rollers.html
[20:38:15] <CaptHindsight> Roguish: trying to find a laptop that I can cover with a plastic film
[20:38:37] <CaptHindsight> or a touchscreen PC
[20:38:39] <Roguish> ok, thats diierent. good luck
[20:39:10] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: use any that has a chiclet keyboard and passsive cooling ;)
[20:39:27] <CaptHindsight> with ethernet but they have all disappeared
[20:39:28] <witnit> any seen these?
http://www.dsl-ltd.co.uk/product/archmi-715p
[20:41:06] <_methods> maybe an old toughbook?
[20:41:30] <_methods> touchscreen toughbook
[20:41:44] <CaptHindsight> _methods: plenty of old, I'm trying to find new
[20:41:47] <_methods> oh
[20:41:56] <_methods> then buy a new touchscreen toughbook lol
[20:42:07] <_methods> bust out the wallet
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[20:43:04] <CaptHindsight> I don't need the toughbook version
[20:43:19] <CaptHindsight> just cheapo laptop with condom
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[20:44:01] <_methods> lol
[20:44:04] <_methods> the laptop condom
[20:44:33] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: look into the dell semi rugged series
[20:44:45] <Loetmichel> way cheaper than panasonic
[20:44:51] <Loetmichel> and a lot better build
[20:45:08] <_methods> it's just condom sense that this should exist
[20:45:10] <_methods> hahahhaha
[20:46:01] <Loetmichel> dell latidue ATG series
[20:46:03] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: what do the prices start for the Dells?
[20:46:04] <Loetmichel> latitude
[20:46:11] <Loetmichel> look for yourself
[20:46:19] <witnit> I thought about dropping a mini itx and a keyboard similar to this into an enclosure with a keyboard sized footprint
http://www.redlinx.co.za/ART/Keyboards/INDUSTRIAL%20METAL%20KEYBOARD/K-TEK-A300.JPG Something I couldnt ruin, but could still afford to do and still upgrade/modify
[20:46:41] <Loetmichel> i cant tell you the prices WE gat, because we are dell partner, so they are useless for non-partners
[20:47:30] <CaptHindsight> looks like $400
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[20:49:57] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: why plastic film tho`?
[20:50:36] <CaptHindsight> keep things from falling into and behind the keyboard
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[20:52:04] <witnit> you mean this?
http://s903.photobucket.com/user/wintersweet220/media/store/black2.jpg.html
[20:53:07] <CaptHindsight> witnit: similar but clear film is all I need
[20:53:31] <Roguish> http://www.amazon.com/HDE-Spillproof-Portable-Silicone-Keyboard/dp/B0106JFW5W/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455742396&sr=1-3&keywords=rubber+keyboard
[20:54:19] <Loetmichel> Roguish: i use one of these on all my CNC mills
[20:54:22] <CaptHindsight> http://image.dhgate.com/albu_424497256_00/1.0x0.jpg
[20:54:35] <Roguish> http://www.amazon.com/TopCase-Arrival-Silicone-Keyboard-MLA22LL/dp/B01AKMW3RU/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455742457&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=keyboard+cover&psc=1
[20:54:40] <witnit> ohhh cute
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[20:55:04] <Roguish> http://www.amazon.com/TopCase-Arrival-Silicone-Keyboard-MLA22LL/dp/B01AKMW3RU/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455742457&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=keyboard+cover&psc=1
[20:55:15] <CaptHindsight> I gave up on the silicone keyboards
[20:55:22] <Roguish> go for the rainbow colors..............
[20:55:28] <CaptHindsight> except for very very low use apps
[20:55:30] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15892
[20:55:42] <witnit> I dont like the feel of the buttons on most of them
[20:55:52] <witnit> not to mention in oil, they probably turn to slime
[20:56:07] <Roguish> is that a suck table?
[20:56:22] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[20:56:47] <Loetmichel> witnit: solicone is oil resistant
[20:56:49] <Roguish> rats and keyboards are consumables.
[20:57:00] <witnit> ^
[20:57:06] <Loetmichel> thats rummer that turns into slime at mineral oil
[20:57:18] <Loetmichel> silicone, rubber
[20:57:25] <Loetmichel> <- sorts his fingers.... again
[20:57:26] <Loetmichel> ;)=
[20:57:42] <witnit> for me its easier to use a cheap usb keyboard and replace it as needed
[20:57:46] <CaptHindsight> or $5 keyboard coated in parylene
[20:57:50] <witnit> ^
[20:58:54] <witnit> I tried using an industrial style kiosk keyboard, the buttons alwasy felt terrible and eventually oil/mineral spirits broke the built in track ball and they key stopped coming up quickly
[20:59:09] <witnit> I want to try another brand of them
[20:59:28] <CaptHindsight> maybe I'll make a standard mini-itx and LCD enclosure for an all-in-one
[20:59:29] <witnit> was nice when it was wasnt filled with shavings and mineral spirits/oil
[20:59:34] <witnit> PLEASE
[20:59:39] <witnit> then sell them to us cheap
[21:00:06] <CaptHindsight> leak the plans to the Chinese under the cover of darkness
[21:00:41] <CaptHindsight> sit back, wait a few weeks, order from alimama for $29.95, win!
[21:00:52] <witnit> CaptHindsight: are you from north america?
[21:01:34] <CaptHindsight> witnit: what my memory tells me but I'm hoping otherwise
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[21:05:50] <Roguish_> check out a hard working cpu
https://imgur.com/C3GCA8B
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[21:06:25] <witnit> this is michigan, maybe they have something useful
http://www.dynics.com/#!brochures--datasheets/ceh2
[21:09:08] <Erant> Wow, a VMC just went for $500 at this auction
[21:09:54] <CaptHindsight> Erant: you're supposed to tell us these things before the auction is over
[21:10:46] <witnit> hindsight is always 20/20
[21:10:52] <Erant> I just came back from lunch.
[21:10:56] <Erant> And noticed it
[21:11:14] <Erant> Shizouka Millmaster B-5V
[21:11:56] <witnit> well that looks surprisingly nice for 500
[21:12:10] <witnit> just the iron alone looks expensive
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[21:15:35] <Erant> They passed on two of them.
[21:15:45] <Erant> There were three for sale.
[21:17:37] <Erant> Also, I did tell y'all about this auction ;)
[21:19:15] <_methods> i love auctions
[21:19:22] <_methods> best place to get machines for sure
[21:21:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/images2016/sciaky-adds-next-level-control-IRISS-closed-loop-control-EBAM-metal-3d-printing.jpeg worlds largest goblet printer uses supported round rails
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[21:21:31] <_methods> sciaky aren't they like the spotwelder guru's
[21:21:43] <Erant> _methods: Some stuff is going for waaay too much. Especially early on. Seems to be more reasonable now.
[21:21:57] <_methods> yeah they usually put the stupid stuff at the beginning
[21:22:07] <_methods> hand tools and endmills and drills
[21:22:32] <Erant> Surprisingly the end mills are at the end. Lot of random crap at the start though.
[21:22:32] <_methods> you never know with auctions though what people are gonna bid up on
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[21:23:33] <Erant> There's like 10 Kurt vises up now.
[21:23:48] <_methods> ah those always seem to get good money no matter where you go
[21:23:53] <_methods> $200 or so
[21:24:17] <_methods> plain 6" vises?
[21:25:00] <Erant> "Angle lock vise"
[21:25:11] <_methods> yeah 6" anglocks
[21:25:29] <_methods> the first ones go for like $400
[21:25:37] <_methods> then they drop down to $200 eventually lol
[21:26:12] <_methods> you at the gene's machining one in santa clara?
[21:26:32] <Erant> He's lobbing them all together, and then letting the winner pick how many they want.
[21:26:35] <Erant> Yeah
[21:26:50] <Erant> I went and looked around this morning, doing the online thing now.
[21:26:58] <_methods> yeah way better that way
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[21:27:29] <_methods> those vises look clean
[21:27:37] <_methods> they'l probably get good money
[21:27:47] <Erant> They are. $200-ish
[21:27:57] <_methods> yeah that's usually what they go around
[21:28:52] <_methods> weird that they put drill bits at teh end
[21:29:22] <_methods> ah you're going for that bench lathe and bench mill right?
[21:29:39] <Erant> Just the lathe, it's unlikely to sell for anything near my budget though.
[21:29:46] <_methods> ah well good luck
[21:29:52] <Erant> The mill looked nice, but I already have one.
[21:30:34] <Erant> Though it was in a backroom, people seemed to focus on the Mori-Seiki mostly.
[21:30:35] <_methods> it's a nice little lathe
[21:30:45] <_methods> looks like it's barely been used
[21:30:50] <Erant> Oh yeah
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[22:07:02] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:20:16] <MrSunshine> 5h test or so and not a single spike over 3800ns in jitter =)
[22:20:21] <MrSunshine> this might be the computer =)
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[22:22:00] <Erant> You doing parallel port?
[22:25:34] <FloppyDisk> Erant - whoa - that lathe went for way more than I thought it would....
[22:26:00] <FloppyDisk> you're not BSC42224
[22:26:03] <FloppyDisk> ??
[22:27:36] <FloppyDisk> They just said - never used for the wabeco.
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[22:28:30] <Erant> Nah. That thing went for a lot.
[22:28:40] <Erant> Waay out of my price-range.
[22:29:17] <Erant> I mean, I'm not surprised. I inspected the thing and it was rock solid.
[22:31:02] <FloppyDisk> Nice... You needed to buy one of the shizuka's (sp?)... $500 for that size mill... I wish I had a shop and space.
[22:31:17] <FloppyDisk> The bridgeport series I CNC went for $1000, nice deal.
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[22:33:23] <Erant> FloppyDisk: I mentioned that earlier. It does NOT fit in my garage ;)
[22:33:39] <Erant> It's more than $500 just in scrap. Two of them didn't sell.
[22:33:48] <FloppyDisk> Mine too!!
[22:34:17] <FloppyDisk> You're right! I think you could get some $$ just for the old control, plus that scrap.
[22:39:16] <Erant> I was happy to see that it wasn't a machine-shop gone bankrupt though.
[22:39:21] <Erant> Owner just retired.
[22:40:26] <neckro23> hola folks
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[22:43:20] <witnit> hallllo
[22:45:07] <_methods> what'd that lathe go for?
[22:45:51] <_methods> yeah it's amazing how little those bridgeport cnc's go for
[22:50:04] <witnit> i know a guy with a couple of those old stepper type bridgeports, I think he sold 1 for 800
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[23:20:54] <Frank__5> time flyes huh?
[23:46:25] <Erant> _methods: $4k
[23:51:27] <Sync> well, most people realize, that they are not really the best
