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[00:00:15] <XXCoder> wish I had it, save time on building that ragon :P
[00:00:19] <XXCoder> dragon
[00:00:31] <chris_99> heh
[00:00:37] <Kevin`> are there any better value low end cnc mills than these?
http://www.omiocnc.com/x6-2200l-3a/
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[00:01:05] <XXCoder> thats just rebuild from aliexpress I bet
[00:01:15] <XXCoder> you can buy direct but then you gonna fix some issues
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[00:03:46] <Kevin`> I wouldn't mind redoing electronics a little.. probably have to for at least that usb card since it's mach-only, but I don't want to have to work around mechanical problems
[00:05:21] <XXCoder> my recommand is look at aliexpress foe similiar machines
[00:05:27] <XXCoder> and see if its worth it or not
[00:05:42] <XXCoder> I guess its in least $500 less, or more
[00:05:47] <Kevin`> people aren't big on vendor reviews for aliexpress
[00:05:59] <XXCoder> though less options than that listed item on way of accessories
[00:09:27] <Kevin`> I can't quickly find any machines on aliexpress with equivalent specs.. similar looking, but different axis and different spindle
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[00:11:37] <XXCoder> hmm yeah aliexpress ones isnt too great
[00:11:43] <XXCoder> but an option
[00:29:42] <tiwake> dodododo
[00:30:20] <tiwake> did another batch of anodizing
[00:30:31] <tiwake> my red casswell dye really sucks
[00:31:14] <tiwake> need to get a deburring tank too
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[01:46:12] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Pd2fL0i.jpg
[01:46:13] <zeeshan> hoooray
[01:46:17] <zeeshan> no more plastic bag cover
[01:48:27] <XXCoder> nice
[01:48:40] <XXCoder> man your shop has changed a lot since your first inital pictures
[01:48:49] <zeeshan> hehe
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[02:05:17] <Erant> If I want ease of machining, should I use O-1 or W-1?
[02:06:45] <XXCoder> w-40 heh
[02:06:58] <XXCoder> honestly not too sure what you mean by "ease of machining"
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[02:07:48] <Erant> Machinability. I'm going to turn some rod down in my mill, so.
[02:08:15] <XXCoder> ahh w-40 can definitely work for that but not too sure if it is best way to do so.
[02:08:38] <XXCoder> just go to car tools store and grab few cans of wd-40
[02:08:58] <XXCoder> though there is non-spraying variant that you can add to sprayer
[02:09:03] <XXCoder> better for envorment
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[02:10:14] <Erant> I meant O1 or W1 steel.
[02:10:26] <Erant> O1 being drill rod, basically.
[02:10:49] <Erant> I seem to recall O1 having better machinability than W1.
[02:10:49] <XXCoder> ahh misunderstood you
[02:11:04] <XXCoder> I dont know much about materials unfortunately
[02:11:34] <Erant> Me neither, just seem to remember something along those lines from a YouTube video.
[02:12:45] <Erant> Going to take some drill rod and see how well my mill works as a lathe :)
[02:13:28] <XXCoder> yeah can always buy more stock if needed.
[02:13:53] <Crom> I saw want a mill! 3040 is total crap!!
[02:13:58] <Crom> s/saw/so/
[02:14:09] <XXCoder> Crom: sell me your 3040 lol
[02:14:12] <Erant> I thought about the 3040.
[02:14:16] <XXCoder> cnc router right?
[02:14:24] <Crom> engraver
[02:14:26] <Erant> But it most certainly would not work as a lathe.
[02:14:57] <XXCoder> Erant: one of projects I planned to do is direct mount of wood rod to stepper for 4th axis
[02:14:59] <Crom> it would actually, just not on anything close to iron or even steel
[02:15:31] <XXCoder> it wont be very high accuracy and precision, but it would work for basic tests and maybe basic stuff
[02:16:38] <Crom> I would love to use my headstock back gear to mount a servo motor to, and cnc everything else.
[02:17:07] <Erant> Crom: Well, if I recall correctly, the 3040 has ER11 collets
[02:17:08] <XXCoder> Crom: it works fine on alum?
[02:17:18] <Erant> I'm doing 3/8" drill rod
[02:17:26] <Erant> Which juuust fits in the ER16 collet.
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[02:17:41] <Crom> it works on AL, just not fast or good
[02:17:59] <Crom> yes ER11
[02:22:25] <Erant> My SX1P does Al well, and steel ok.
[02:23:04] <Erant> Crom: Right, so I'm using a technique whereby you chuck the material in the collet rather than the tool.
[02:23:23] <Erant> Which allows you to do some limited lathe-style operations
[02:24:01] <Erant> Tool goes in a vice or something. Affixed to the table.
[02:24:45] <Crom> I'm thinking about a Bolton ZX45
[02:28:18] <Crom> and if my VA check is big enough a Grizzly Lathe 11" x 26" G9972Z, which lets me use my Sheldon 4 jaw chuck
[02:29:12] <Crom> tail stock is a MT3, but I can get an adapter to use my MT2 stuff
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[02:29:58] <Crom> first thing you do with a G9972Z is add a reverse tumbler
[02:31:25] <Crom> erant, I've done milling with my lathe, though I don't have a collet setup for it, so I hold the end mill in the 4 jaw chuck
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[04:00:29] <zeeshan> finally ive learned mastercam better.
[04:00:37] <zeeshan> little to no air cutting with dynamic tool paths
[04:00:41] <zeeshan> makes contouring obsolete
[04:00:48] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/akA0vq9.png
[04:00:49] <zeeshan> example
[04:01:13] <zeeshan> i think hsm works calls it adaptive cleaning
[04:01:59] <zeeshan> absolutely no sharp corners in the tool path
[04:02:10] <zeeshan> (when cutting)
[04:15:28] <Wolf_> nice
[04:17:16] <XXCoder> so it makes parts more smooth or?
[04:17:22] <XXCoder> or just more effecient?
[04:17:49] <zeeshan> more efficient
[04:18:02] <zeeshan> to give you an idea
[04:18:05] <zeeshan> i went from 12ipm
[04:18:08] <zeeshan> to 50 ipm..
[04:18:28] <zeeshan> also sharp corners are very bad for small end mills
[04:18:31] <zeeshan> they snap em :P
[04:18:43] <zeeshan> sharp tool path corners that is
[04:18:50] <zeeshan> cause if yo utry to imagine it
[04:19:11] <zeeshan> at the exact corner, the about 3/4" of the cicumference of the tool makes full contact
[04:19:27] <zeeshan> er..
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[04:19:35] <zeeshan> 2 quadrants
[04:19:37] <zeeshan> whatever that is :P
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[07:58:10] <Deejay> moin
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[08:24:14] <witnit> mojn!
[08:31:31] <Deejay> hi witnit :)
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[08:33:20] <witnit> Working on any projects lately?
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[10:46:53] <archivist> EF392
[10:50:02] <Sync> thermoplastic constant pressure pilot hose?
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[10:57:24] <archivist> nah one of my barcodes :)
[10:59:04] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=EF392
[11:01:46] <Sync> zeeshan: doesn't look too shitty
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[11:13:58] <aventtini> hello guys
[11:14:14] <aventtini> about the servo setup on the 2.7
[11:14:34] <aventtini> i can confirm there is a bug on the setup
[11:14:39] <aventtini> or some sort
[11:14:51] <aventtini> i will uplode the video whit 2.6
[11:14:59] <aventtini> same pins same settings
[11:15:08] <aventtini> and it works like a charm
[11:15:45] <aventtini> i did revers the AA5BB channels on the 2.7
[11:15:54] <aventtini> same result imposible to tune
[11:28:53] <witnit> aventtini: please do I am curious now!
[11:29:03] <aventtini> one sec
[11:29:24] <witnit> also upload those conf files
[11:32:35] <aventtini> same cables same setup
[11:32:53] <aventtini> encoder xyza
[11:33:03] <aventtini> sw 0123
[11:33:15] <aventtini> and machine on
[11:37:36] <aventtini> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWJc8pEayWs
[11:37:39] <aventtini> done
[11:39:47] <archivist> a shaky video with no time to read anything is not helping
[11:39:48] <aventtini> no change what so ever on the cables
[11:40:37] <aventtini> sorry iphone is not so smart on the camera
[11:40:40] <aventtini> :)
[11:41:11] <aventtini> its a minimal setup done on the pnconf
[11:41:28] <aventtini> 4 encoders 4 SW and spindle
[11:41:32] <aventtini> pid 1
[11:41:32] <archivist> use the config off 2.6
[11:41:40] <aventtini> dot work
[11:41:43] <aventtini> dont work
[11:42:01] <aventtini> same problem
[11:42:31] <archivist> please your single line statements do not help people to help you
[11:43:22] <aventtini> you need the config files
[11:43:24] <aventtini> right
[11:43:31] <aventtini> i will get them tomorow
[11:44:02] <aventtini> its any way i can get the traj to 2.6?
[11:44:52] <aventtini> i can not make any mistake on the electronics
[11:44:55] <witnit> aventtini: did you do a new pncconf or did you copy your old WORKING configs manually?
[11:45:03] <aventtini> new
[11:45:11] <aventtini> new install new HDD
[11:45:33] <aventtini> i did not copy a single line or put someting in the ini
[11:45:42] <archivist> he did not copy the configs hence the problem
[11:45:55] <witnit> I highly suspect your new .hal and .ini is differing from what you had working in 2.6
[11:46:19] <aventtini> the only dif i so the 2.7 on FFerror was showing 0.0005 and i was thinking on inch
[11:46:23] <archivist> he has been told to use a diff program to find out what
[11:46:26] <aventtini> but setup is in mm
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[11:47:22] <witnit> why havent you copied your 2.6 configs exactly?
[11:47:26] <aventtini> i will get the hal and ini from a working machine
[11:47:38] <aventtini> i was testing as new instal
[11:47:42] <aventtini> to see if it works
[11:47:50] <aventtini> if a new instal on 2.6 works
[11:47:53] <aventtini> also a 2.7
[11:47:57] <aventtini> must work
[11:47:59] <aventtini> right
[11:48:01] <aventtini> same pins
[11:48:12] <aventtini> only 1 out machine on
[11:48:21] <aventtini> so no technical diff
[11:48:40] <archivist> we cannot know if any statement you say is right
[11:48:57] <aventtini> sure u are right
[11:49:28] <archivist> we dont know what you entered into pnconf
[11:49:45] <aventtini> on sec let me uplode
[11:53:40] <aventtini> i remaber i had pics
[11:53:42] <aventtini> :D
[11:54:44] <aventtini> http://imgur.com/a/UMeRA
[11:54:46] <aventtini> done
[11:55:34] <archivist> what are the values from 2.6
[11:55:50] <archivist> compare your hal and ini files
[11:57:09] <witnit> sorry aventtini but pictures are much less useful than .hal/.ini
[11:57:10] <aventtini> only diff is P is 50 FF1 is 1 and fferror min is 0.0005 amd max is 0.0500
[11:57:42] <aventtini> i did made same settings as on the pics to 2.6
[11:58:09] <aventtini> 2.6 has P=1 and ff1 is 0
[11:58:18] <archivist> and in the line above you said they are different, make your mind up
[11:58:33] <aventtini> on the 2.7
[11:59:01] <archivist> we are comparing 2.6 to 2.7
[11:59:04] <aventtini> 2.7 P=50 FF1=1
[11:59:06] <aventtini> yes
[11:59:32] <archivist> so set the 2.6 values
[11:59:43] <aventtini> no differance
[11:59:50] <aventtini> same result
[12:00:03] <aventtini> maybe its from mesa firmware
[12:00:17] <witnit> aventtini: you actually tried using the old config file?
[12:00:17] <archivist> same result tells us absolutely nothing, same as what
[12:00:41] <aventtini> it dont want move
[12:00:45] <aventtini> i give 1 mm
[12:00:56] <aventtini> it go 30mm 20mm
[12:01:11] <aventtini> it drifts it runs away
[12:01:31] <aventtini> its not a one way behaivior
[12:01:45] <aventtini> for example machine is se up on 3000mm/m
[12:02:01] <aventtini> i i give it 5mm to move
[12:02:14] <aventtini> it moves or slow or on a lag
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[12:02:24] <aventtini> but encoders direction is check
[12:02:39] <aventtini> as i so on the video last night
[12:03:10] <aventtini> aaa another thing that i have seen also on the 2.7
[12:03:21] <aventtini> on the acceleration it has 750
[12:03:36] <aventtini> whats the 750 ? mm per minute
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[12:04:09] <aventtini> and max speed is set to 25
[12:04:18] <aventtini> usualy this is mm/s
[12:04:28] <jthornton> I have two machines running 2.7 with no issues what so ever so I suggest it is either a hardware problem (most likely) or a configuration problem
[12:04:48] <aventtini> i have 3 machine that dont work whit 2.7
[12:04:48] <archivist> three machines ?
[12:05:01] <archivist> I vote cinfig
[12:05:07] <archivist> config
[12:05:10] <witnit> I have a couple running 2.7 as well
[12:05:19] <jthornton> yes that points to configuration problems then
[12:05:33] <witnit> I second your vote on the configs
[12:05:43] <jthornton> maybe cinfig too
[12:05:49] <aventtini> i think maybe config is in mm?
[12:05:52] <aventtini> mm/s
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[12:05:57] <aventtini> or mm/m?
[12:06:20] <aventtini> olso on the ferror min is 0.0005
[12:06:34] <aventtini> so why it has 4 after the .
[12:06:41] <aventtini> its in inch ?
[12:06:45] <aventtini> machine is set in mm
[12:07:13] <aventtini> the nasty part is that we have 3 machine identical
[12:07:22] <aventtini> mikron wf21 wf51 wf72
[12:07:34] <aventtini> same motors diffrent neutons
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[12:07:48] <jthornton> the same but different
[12:07:58] <aventtini> a little
[12:08:02] <aventtini> on the HP
[12:08:29] <witnit> Im still convinced that hitting the + jog button and seeing the machine go to -20mm is probably something you should solve before jumping to any conclusions.
[12:08:48] <aventtini> i did solve that in the morning
[12:09:36] <aventtini> you ware right
[12:09:39] <aventtini> on taht one
[12:09:42] <aventtini> that one
[12:10:43] <witnit> What did you do to correct it?
[12:10:55] <aventtini> the encoder diection
[12:10:59] <aventtini> direction
[12:11:17] <aventtini> i dont know on this video
[12:11:25] <aventtini> that i have posted but i have change that
[12:12:58] <aventtini> machines has a drive belt and the motor is rotated in diffrent direction
[12:13:02] <aventtini> on the table
[12:13:45] <archivist> I cannot see a logical thought process to diagnose problems
[12:14:07] <aventtini> on the 2.6 it dos not give any folow errors
[12:14:15] <archivist> use 2.6
[12:14:18] <aventtini> and its se up on 1 mm
[12:14:24] <aventtini> yes i will use it but
[12:14:32] <aventtini> problem is the arc blending
[12:14:49] <witnit> which axis is this?
[12:14:57] <aventtini> XY
[12:15:16] <witnit> both are broken?
[12:15:16] <aventtini> only Z is giving because i did not tune the acceleration
[12:15:45] <aventtini> no they work good XY
[12:15:53] <aventtini> whit no tuning done
[12:16:36] <aventtini> olso on the 2.7 i did put the P to 10000 and did not get any oscialtions on the motor
[12:16:46] <witnit> you said "it doesnt want to move" which axis is not moving?
[12:17:31] <aventtini> on 2.7 all of them
[12:17:55] <aventtini> on 2.6 all of them work perfect
[12:18:00] <witnit> according to your pictures of pncconf your max output = 0
[12:18:05] <aventtini> ye
[12:18:07] <aventtini> yes
[12:18:13] <aventtini> and i did put 10
[12:18:21] <aventtini> as the 2.6
[12:18:24] <aventtini> no diff
[12:18:30] <aventtini> same resault
[12:18:51] <archivist> I think you are not being methodical
[12:19:21] <aventtini> maybe
[12:19:31] <aventtini> i dont know i tryied all the ways
[12:19:45] <archivist> I dont think you have tried all ways
[12:20:01] <aventtini> maybe when PNconf is done whit 0 on the max out
[12:20:15] <archivist> using the old 2.6 config is step one
[12:20:28] <witnit> aventtini: when you copied 2.6 config to your 2.7 machine what happened?
[12:20:29] <aventtini> and you put on calibration or manualy it dont want to read
[12:20:31] <aventtini> that
[12:22:36] <aventtini> no impruvment same result
[12:22:45] <aventtini> let me do like tis
[12:22:48] <aventtini> this
[12:22:54] <aventtini> i tune the machine on 2.6
[12:23:00] <aventtini> then
[12:23:10] <aventtini> make a fresh instal on the 2.7
[12:23:18] <aventtini> whit same settings
[12:23:31] <aventtini> and i will post some pics
[12:23:38] <aventtini> on the setups and file
[12:24:00] <archivist> we dont want pics
[12:24:21] <archivist> fresh install wont help much at all
[12:24:23] <witnit> why not just bring us the config files like every other person does ever instead pictures which nobody ever does?
[12:24:42] <aventtini> i forget to get the usb drive :*(
[12:24:47] <aventtini> im at home
[12:24:51] <aventtini> files are not a problem
[12:27:05] <aventtini> i suspect machine is in inch
[12:27:48] <aventtini> did some instal a metric machine
[12:27:49] <aventtini> ?
[12:28:08] <aventtini> imposbile to have a default 0.0005
[12:28:16] <aventtini> on the min-fferror
[12:28:56] <aventtini> it has 1 as default on a metric machine
[12:29:48] <witnit> i just dont see how any of this is possible when you copied your ini and hal file over like you said, since such variable cannot change with copy/paste
[12:31:29] <aventtini> also on the maximum aceleration when you onpen the ini is 750mm/s
[12:31:36] <aventtini> this is incorect
[12:38:41] <aventtini> ok lets close the problem on monday i caome whit the files
[12:38:47] <aventtini> :D
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[12:55:06] <jthornton> anyone using a mSATA SSD with LinuxCNC?
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[14:23:45] <skunkworks> msata?
[14:24:47] <skunkworks> oh - I have some msata 32gb drives but have not found a motherboard that support it. (they usually only allow for a msata wireless card)
[14:33:45] <jthornton> yea, the only mb's I could find were a bit pricey
[14:34:01] <_methods> why you want to use msata?
[14:34:37] <skunkworks> compact...
[14:34:43] <jthornton> I was just nosing around on newegg and saw them
[14:35:48] <_methods> you need to select a mobo or msata card very carefully if you want full speed
[14:35:59] <_methods> some of them don't offer full speed
[14:36:17] <jthornton> I've given up on that idea rather quick :)
[14:36:33] <_methods> yeah it's a rather convoluted thing right now
[14:37:27] <skunkworks> it just seems like a neat idea until you try to impliment it.
[14:38:00] <_methods> well they are neat you just have to be careful selecting the drive and the bus
[14:38:19] <_methods> but only if you're worried about maximum throughput
[14:38:34] <_methods> i mean if you don't care about the speed pretty much any card and drive should work
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[14:40:10] <_methods> wow looks like they went full retard on i-78 in pennsylvania lol
[14:40:53] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2 is the replacement for mSATA, mSATA is soon to be a dead end
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[14:41:20] <_methods> well i'm including m.2 in this when i talk about "msata"
[14:41:27] <_methods> they're often used interchangeably
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[14:43:09] <CaptHindsight> so you're the one!
[14:43:12] <wicki> hi * - any hints, where to find an gcode-generator for using an tangetial knife with emc2 ?
[14:43:20] <_methods> haha yeah i'm part of the problem
[14:43:52] <_methods> wicki: i would just use a plasma post processor
[14:44:05] <_methods> change torch on with knife down
[14:44:10] <_methods> torch off with knife up
[14:44:45] <_methods> dxftogcode
[14:44:49] <_methods> or whatever
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[14:45:09] <CaptHindsight> or just swap a plasma cutter for the knife and watch that vinyl melt like buddah
[14:45:15] <_methods> hahah
[14:45:22] <_methods> and your machine catch on fire
[14:45:37] <CaptHindsight> be sure to put it up on youtube
[14:45:43] <_methods> ^^
[14:46:11] <wicki> hmmm... but this code does not turn the knife into the cutting-direction ?
[14:46:25] <CaptHindsight> there should be a channel for fun swaps like that
[14:46:38] <_methods> oh it's not a drag knife
[14:47:23] <_methods> i don't know of any post processors for an "axis" controlled knife
[14:47:24] <wicki> no - I want to turn the knife by a stepper-motor
[14:48:03] <_methods> yeah that's something you'll have to write yourself or get lucky finding someone that has done something similar
[14:48:49] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU_rFrEpGe0 Vinyl cutting on cnc plasma table
[14:48:59] <_methods> it would just be a matter of making the knife the A axis
[14:49:17] <CaptHindsight> unfortunately it looks like the plasma cutter was replaced by a knife
[14:49:23] <_methods> but getting a post process that kicks out a angle for the knife might be a bit more complicated
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[14:50:22] <_methods> or i guess technically the knife would be the C axis
[14:51:05] <wicki> methods: thats the reason I asking... ;-)
[14:53:25] <_methods> well it looks like artcam does it
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[14:54:44] <_methods> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/linuxcnc-formerly-emc2-/107670-cnc-forum.html
[14:54:47] <Sync> _methods: just define a direction to go and then just look at the vector of the line?
[14:55:02] <_methods> yeah that would be the way to do it
[14:55:10] <_methods> looks like other people have done this with linuxcnc
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[14:55:49] <_methods> yeah that guy in that thread is just using autocad and a lisp plugin
[14:55:54] <_methods> to genereate his gcode
[14:56:11] <archivist> I suppose you must lift and drop back in for square corners
[14:56:29] <_methods> hell there is a inkscape plugin
[14:56:31] <_methods> there ya go
[14:57:00] <_methods> looks like the inkscape plugin is at cnc-club.ru
[14:57:05] <wicki> "I saw INKSCAPE have a plugin with a tangent knife g-code generated for A axis."
[14:57:34] <_methods> https://github.com/utlco/tcnc
[14:57:39] <_methods> there ya go
[14:58:21] <_methods> no go make me something on your tangential knife and take pictures heheh
[14:58:28] <_methods> s/no/now
[14:59:35] <archivist> the pics or it didnt happen is a long lasting irc meme
[14:59:57] <_methods> hehe
[15:00:09] <archivist> proof from 2009
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchv4page=1&searchstr=adjustable+2009
[15:00:39] <_methods> that's my fee for googling stuff for you that you can find yourself in 5 minutes
[15:01:21] <archivist> I should be rich from all my googling!
[15:04:51] <wicki> thx... I found several tangetial-knife-hints before - but I think, it would be better to ask the masters of linuxcnc themself.... right here....
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[15:10:36] <maxcnc> hi all ;-)
[15:11:05] <maxcnc> wicki: how thick is the cutting pice
[15:11:24] <maxcnc> a standard plotter cutter makes only .2mm
[15:12:09] <maxcnc> wicki: there are posts that make a Cturn of the cutter on etch move
[15:13:38] <Loetmichel2> <- just drove 150km in a "new" to get a new drivers seat for it. ... and after driving big automatics with ASR for the last 10 years a small 316i compact without any assiantance modules and manual shift is quite an experience... did a 450° at the last exit ;)
[15:13:59] <wicki> maxcnc: I try to build an oszillatiing-tangetial-knife - but the first step is to control the angle of the blade
[15:14:10] <maxcnc> _methods: you can force most CAM 2D to do the job
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[15:15:04] <Loetmichel2> s/new/new car
[15:15:13] <maxcnc> wicki: best to mount the C axis onto the Z and use it as the knife position
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[15:29:22] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/mechanical-calculations-engineering-design/299234-cnc.html
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[17:05:35] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t34.0-12/12714238_10153915768998648_1031055286_n.jpg?oh=613a68550a6e363b6ce977bbd587a611&oe=56C2BF53 atleast some rudimentary dust guards for the screws =)
[17:07:12] <archivist> I wonder how long that will last with the sharp edge rubbing
[17:08:59] <aventtini6> not bad
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[17:20:28] <MrSunshine> not sharp =)
[17:20:32] <MrSunshine> its paint over it :P
[17:21:16] <MrSunshine> and even so .. the rubber isnt exactly expensive =)
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[17:55:06] <Loetmichel2> archivist: thats aluminium
[17:55:19] <Loetmichel2> the edge will not stay sharp THAT long
[17:55:31] <Loetmichel2> rubber is quite abrasive to aluminium
[17:59:56] <Magnifikus> http://a360.co/1R2U1UX what do you think, able to "mill" light stuff with some kind of proxxon 180W spindle?
[18:00:05] <Magnifikus> its full aluminium and ballscrews
[18:00:21] <Magnifikus> need something to keep chips away from the screws ^^
[18:02:02] <Loetmichel2> Magnifikus: this 3leg-disgns are prone to be inaccurate on the outside
[18:02:09] <Loetmichel2> and cant take much load there, either
[18:02:26] <Loetmichel2> so IF at all its only capable of milling close to the center of the table
[18:02:45] <Magnifikus> just for wood, cnc routing etc
[18:02:48] <Magnifikus> no heavy duty
[18:02:55] <Magnifikus> eh pcb
[18:03:09] <Loetmichel2> i would take a more "cartesian" approach for milling forces
[18:03:40] <Loetmichel2> easier to get a gantry type mill "stiff" than the 3 leg ones
[18:03:45] <Magnifikus> ah will hail horribly and next one will be cartesian
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[18:03:53] <Magnifikus> fail
[18:03:55] <maxcnc> hi back after a big pizza
[18:04:49] <maxcnc> Magnifikus: proxxon IB/E is a better solution more powerfull
[18:04:55] <Magnifikus> oh Loetmichel2 also where will be platform on top
[18:05:08] <Magnifikus> so no free standing shit
[18:05:21] <Magnifikus> yeah maybe if i can hold the 6kg :D
[18:05:30] <Loetmichel2> Magnifikus: i imagined that much
[18:06:07] <Loetmichel2> still the forces on the ball joints are soo big at the extreme position that these mechaincs will not be that great for milling at all
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[18:06:28] <Loetmichel2> someone made a CNC milling hexabot... and look at how massive that is:
[18:06:31] <maxcnc> wicki still on ?
[18:06:48] <Magnifikus> yep saw it
[18:06:50] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16146&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:06:54] <Loetmichel2> sorry, wrong lionk
[18:07:04] <Loetmichel2> https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjI1raZ7PfKAhXBJZoKHUzQDSgQtwIIHzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnebJ59TcYlQ&usg=AFQjCNFICxcx2txvG8Lv4K2_k4FPJ95sjw&sig2=ZC1ijuoVPurjyRMLRWHaYw
[18:07:17] <maxcnc> Magnifikus: only Fr4 sie
[18:07:22] <maxcnc> size
[18:07:22] <Loetmichel2> Third time is a charm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nebJ59TcYlQ
[18:07:35] <maxcnc> euro pcb
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[18:07:39] <Magnifikus> yeah like that
[18:07:47] <Magnifikus> plaything for my bench
[18:08:04] <Magnifikus> can take forever with lite cuts etc :)
[18:08:11] <Loetmichel2> what i meant: look at the size of his joints
[18:08:33] <maxcnc> Magnifikus: are you in europ
[18:08:41] <Magnifikus> sq6rs thought about 8mm ones also
[18:08:45] <Magnifikus> yeah germany
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[18:09:03] <Magnifikus> they are rated 3,5kn
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[18:19:05] <TurBoss> Hello
[18:19:18] <TurBoss> any one here working with Cimatron?
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[18:33:11] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/11/24/3d-systems-acquires-cadcam-developer-cimatron/
[18:33:59] <CaptHindsight> 3D Systems EX- President and CEO and all around scammer BS'er Avi Reichental
[18:34:25] <TurBoss> oh
[18:34:44] <yasnak> Hmmm...Israeli?
[18:34:49] <TurBoss> yeah xD
[18:35:01] <TurBoss> is a work choice not mine
[18:37:14] <TurBoss> well the question is if any one knows a postprocessor for cimatron tha outputs nice gcode :)
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[18:44:31] <aventtini6> you need to make it
[18:44:49] <aventtini6> cimatron is usualy expensive
[18:44:50] <aventtini6> :D
[18:47:47] <maxcnc> aventtini6: did you solve the problem with the axis trifft
[18:49:17] <TurBoss> aventtini6: thank you
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[18:58:19] <maxcnc> im off gn8
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[19:01:46] <MrSunshine> Loetmichel2: i guess he thinks of the plate that bends it upwards, and thats steel =)
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[19:05:12] <aventtini6> max
[19:05:15] <aventtini6> no
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[19:05:18] <aventtini6> whit 2.6
[19:05:24] <aventtini6> it works like a charm
[19:05:47] <aventtini6> 2.7 dont
[19:06:09] <aventtini6> i need to make some tests and get the files to the guys to see whats the problem
[19:09:06] <aventtini6> how is the mahos ?
[19:09:13] <aventtini6> you are working on them
[19:10:00] <t12> anyone know what this strange thing is?
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/eygjmcr6rqfpkdy/AAAuLC2V5HhZM_9YZVNpzErCa
[19:12:31] <aventtini6> drill grinding suport
[19:12:33] <aventtini6> i think
[19:12:47] <aventtini6> i sow it on a grinding machine
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[19:16:25] <aventtini6> http://www.vieltools.com/admin/gstProd/vignette/prod550-1.jpg
[19:16:29] <aventtini6> this is
[19:16:31] <aventtini6> :)
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[19:20:18] <t12> nice!
[19:20:19] <t12> thanks
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[19:31:21] <CaptHindsight> I had something similar used to hold oversized pencils while you placed the eraser onto the ends and crimp them
[19:33:22] <t12> lol
[19:33:27] <t12> thats a better tool
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[19:45:42] <_methods> i've seen that kind of jig used for cutting square stock in bandsaws before
[19:47:39] <CaptHindsight> squaring stepped square stock jig
[19:49:03] <_methods> i think some people call them toast rack jigs
[19:50:09] <_methods> that one is pretty elaborate
[19:58:36] <CaptHindsight> at first I thought it might be a set of dies for a paper punch like these from the 60's-80's
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[19:59:06] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cleanmama.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Hole-Punch-and-Assemble-How-to-Make-a-Cleaning-Binder-via-Clean-Mama-1.jpg
[19:59:49] <CaptHindsight> and crude form of D-RM for booklets before they were digital
[20:00:20] <CaptHindsight> they didn't just drop into a 3 ring binder
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[20:21:54] <Erant> Gah, I need to get some tiny end mills for engraving.
[20:22:09] <Erant> And mold making
[20:22:32] <Erant> 1/8" isn't enough.
[20:23:29] <Erant> Time for an ebay order of some PCB end mills.
[20:28:51] <Erant> Oh, question. For lathe tools, if I want a 'quick and cheap' one, should I just get some HSS and take it to the grinder?
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[20:29:14] <Erant> I need a cutting tool, and a parting tool (though I can do without the parting tool)
[20:30:12] <_methods> taht would give you the most flexibility for sure
[20:32:24] <Erant> Some flat bar and square bar it is, I guess.
[20:33:55] <Erant> And some drill rod for my encoder, and experimenting with making tools myself :)
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[21:30:50] <MrSunshine> does a faster cpu for linuxcnc result in faster stepper pulse train ? =)
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[21:31:40] <XXCoder> I don't think it depends that much on cpu
[21:35:44] <malcom2073> MrSunshine: A lower jitter results in faster possible step rates
[21:36:10] <XXCoder> isnt one of better video card help on less jitter?
[21:38:11] <malcom2073> I've heard that somewhere, that video cards rather than onboard video helps
[21:41:02] <malcom2073> Anyone know if any of the cheap chinese drivers other than leadshines have anti-resonance?
[21:45:18] <XXCoder> probably not?
[21:46:01] <malcom2073> Yeah I'm assuming not. Looking at alternatives to buying another G540 to replace the one I had borrowed from my dad, that he reclaimed heh
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[21:46:31] <malcom2073> The machine has resonance problems, Stalled pretty often when using 6600's, the G540 was smooth as silk though
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[21:51:18] <Icy-JT> I need someone to climb up to the satellite dish and melt the ice lol
[21:51:44] <malcom2073> Man I don't miss doing that heh
[21:52:01] <XXCoder> Icy-JT: sure, plane ticket please?
[21:52:10] <XXCoder> and car rental
[21:52:28] <Icy-JT> I bet there is some heat tape on the back side next week
[21:54:25] <XXCoder> all it needs to be heated above 35f
[21:54:33] <XXCoder> and it will slowly deice and keep ice free
[21:54:54] <Deejay> gn8
[21:55:02] <Icy-JT> I hope it melts before you could get here
[21:55:57] <XXCoder> not going anywhere without airplane ticket in hand lol
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[22:05:14] <_methods> get one of those super soaker squirt guns and fill it with de-icer and shoot it up there lol
[22:06:30] <Icy-JT> I can reach it with 2 layup sticks
[22:06:45] <witnit> ^ this
[22:07:06] <witnit> _methods: genius
[22:07:22] <_methods> no laziness lol
[22:07:37] <_methods> the mother of all invention
[22:07:46] <witnit> exactly
[22:08:31] <_methods> haha
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[22:17:24] <MrSunshine> malcom2073: hmm sounds interesting .. might have to try that as i got a slot free in the computer =)
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[22:20:18] <JT-Shop> quart of hot water on the end of 3 layup sticks (24') done the trick :)
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[22:31:43] <Sync> malcom2073: told you that you want servos
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[22:33:04] <malcom2073> Sync: Nah
[22:33:08] <malcom2073> This is for the small machine
[22:33:14] <Sync> still
[22:33:14] <malcom2073> the big one that I removed servos from works great :-D
[22:33:29] <malcom2073> I do know though, it's a 3d printer, it would be much faster with servos
[22:33:58] <malcom2073> Well... in theory
[22:34:11] <malcom2073> I don't print at max speed anyway, but I get resonance at around 20-30mm/sec, which is where I usually print
[22:35:02] <Sync> it most probably would be faster
[22:36:08] <malcom2073> Well, like I said, I don't run at max speed
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[22:36:14] <malcom2073> The frame itself isn't sturdy enough for that
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[22:40:28] <Sync> limit the jerk
[22:41:09] <malcom2073> I'm using LinuxCNC for control
[22:41:36] <malcom2073> Well, machinekit
[22:41:50] <zeeshan> sync can you read german? :D
[22:43:07] <malcom2073> My acceleration is limited to about 2000mm/sec^2, any faster and I get flex when accelerating/decelerating, it's not a jerk issue (Can you even adjust that? I thought the new TP used constant jerk s-curve velocity profiles?)
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[22:45:00] <malcom2073> Anyway, speed isn't the issue, midband resonance is :P
[22:45:07] <malcom2073> (Which servos would also solve)
[22:45:58] <malcom2073> But that particular machine isn't worth sinking a grand into the motion control system
[22:46:03] <malcom2073> Or even half that really
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[22:51:00] <Sync> zeeshan: да
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[23:00:53] <yasnak> Installed TeamViewer on all of the newer Okuma OSP controlled machines, now I can sit and eat cheetos and remotely run the machines via webcam and dashboard. Giggity
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[23:13:33] <Sync> zeeshan!
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[23:21:47] <Tom_itx> zeeshan
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[23:22:48] <JT-Shop> zeeshan:
[23:23:00] <Tom_itx> zeeshan:
[23:23:13] <Tom_itx> a wanted man.
[23:23:18] <JT-Shop> lol
[23:23:38] <Sync> seems so
[23:23:56] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, can you draw a rectangle and circle in sw about 4" apart and make a solid from them?
[23:24:13] <Tom_itx> like a transition part for an air duct
[23:24:14] <Tom_itx> etc
[23:25:05] <JT-Shop> yea
[23:25:25] <Tom_itx> what needs to align up?
[23:25:39] <Tom_itx> rectangle on one plane, circle on another plane up 4"
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[23:26:02] <Tom_itx> both centered on the axis
[23:27:09] <JT-Shop> yea create a plane offset from the first by 4"
[23:27:55] <JT-Shop> what's your email
[23:29:19] <JT-Shop> it's on the way
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[23:31:06] <JT-Shop> that what you need?
[23:31:19] <Tom_itx> i was drawing it in catia..
[23:31:23] <Tom_itx> i'll check
[23:33:25] <Tom_itx> yup
[23:33:39] <Tom_itx> i'll add the chamfers on the corners..
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[23:38:25] <Tom_itx> catia kept getting confused
[23:38:33] <Tom_itx> not sure what i was doing wrong
[23:41:56] <JT-Shop> I'm usually not sure what I did wrong but sometimes I figure it out lol
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[23:42:16] <Tom_itx> it wanted the startpoints aligned
[23:42:36] <_methods> yeah you need to select points that are kinda lined up
[23:42:39] <JT-Shop> oh I did get xilinx download but not installed yet
[23:42:41] <_methods> or it will twist up
[23:43:21] <_methods> an you usually need radii in the corners of the square
[23:46:36] <Tom_itx> yeah i put .25 radius on them
[23:46:47] <JT-Shop> see you guys later
[23:46:48] <Tom_itx> not sure how to align the start of the circle though
[23:46:54] <Tom_itx> later JT-Shop, thanks
[23:47:10] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, xilinx on linux?
[23:47:43] <Tom_itx> i wonder if adding construction lines would help that
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