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[00:19:10] <minibnz> hey got a question.. i have these diamond cutting discs.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10-pcs-50mm-2-inch-Diamond-coated-rotary-cutting-cut-off-blade-wheels-disc-/261287597014?hash=item3cd5f453d6:g:adMAAOxyB0VRvDYp
[00:19:10] <minibnz> i made beter arbor that suits my mill its nice 10mm steel has a little runout but thats not overly important to the question, how do i know when the disc is dead? when do i replace the disc with the next one?
[00:19:47] <minibnz> i am using it to shape HSS and carbide fly cutters it does surprisingly well considering the lowish speed i am running them at 3000rpm
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[00:26:37] <Erant> When it breaks?
[00:28:01] <minibnz> hehehe i was thinking bout stopping before that you know when you see the coolant start to glow and steam instantly
[00:28:16] <Sync> well, they will just stop cutting
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[00:31:21] <minibnz> ok so if i see material still comming of the peice i will keep going.. wil they change diameter much between new and dead?
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[00:32:27] <Erant> They should be steel backed, so I doubt it.
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[00:33:10] <minibnz> yeah they are steel just thought they might shink say 0.5mm or so over their life. nothing noticiable to the eye
[00:34:49] <Sync> they have the diamond embedded into a nickel layer
[00:34:54] <Sync> it is pretty thin.
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[00:41:22] <witnit> minibnz: although having never used anything like this I almost wonder if you could shine a bright light on it and compare the reflective properties of the surface to an unused cutter as well as a clearly worn cutter and judge within reason by the lack of reflections due to diamond loss.
[00:42:30] <witnit> maybe there is a scatter pattern you can bounce to a sheet of paper with a laser that would also help determine wear.
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[01:00:24] <minibnz> witnit thats a very interesting idea. at the moment when i look at the disc its a bit clogged up so that might have a influence on the accuracy of that.. but i do like the idea..
[01:01:35] <minibnz> the diamond particles look like they go about 10mm from the outer edge and i have been using it sideways as well as the edge so it might die a bit quicker
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[01:02:35] <minibnz> just gotta pay attention to how well its cutting.. bassicaly i will gcode a single pass that is nice and slow.. add coolant and come back and check on things and then adjust. it wont be done with a one step operation
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[01:04:13] <minibnz> at the moment i am rebuilding the mosfet drivers and adding a bigger fan to the top of the electronics box cuz my mill locked up half way thru cutting a gear.. the axis just stopped the screen was black and the box was really warm so i dont blame it for stopping.. just gotta make it happier :)
[01:04:52] <minibnz> i found its rather hard to cut a neat ciircle with the electronics driving my mill.. (dont own a hole saw)
[01:05:13] <minibnz> i settled on a decagon
[01:05:36] <Erant> Euh
[01:05:49] <minibnz> wont impead flow very much and the lines are easy to follow than a circle by hand.
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[01:06:11] <Erant> G02 or G03 will cut you a fine circle
[01:06:44] <minibnz> not when the electonics is not connected cuz i am cutting a hole in its housing and cant do that without letting out the magic smoke when the chips hit the PC inside it.
[01:07:16] <minibnz> oops i missed the out of without.
[01:08:19] <Erant> Ah. What are the FET drivers for? Your spindle?
[01:08:36] <Erant> (Which, that reminds me, I should tear my spindle apart and take out the electronics)
[01:08:37] <minibnz> it was getting far too hot.. i might still have to go borrow a hole saw so i can get the mains power in/out of the cabinet without pinchin it in the door.. cant be arsed to take the 48 screw out of the cabinet top :)
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[01:09:16] <minibnz> they are to drive my coolant pump a high speed DC motor and the LEDs that adorn my mill making it pretty and useable at the same time :)
[01:10:49] <minibnz> had a software glitch and the coolant pump locked on and fried a mosfet that and i killed another one a wile ago.. so now its time to do the driver board with better mosfets that are being driven correctly.. i can also remove the power supply for the grizzly DRO's that i am not using as they are too slow for what i wanted to do with them.
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[01:11:54] <minibnz> this mill was sitting at my mates workshop for a few years while it was there all these little problems showed up and now it have brought it home (he closed his shop) i haev a chance to fix them all.
[01:12:51] <minibnz> going to also move the mosfet board onto the lid of the box to make connecting things easier/possible :)
[01:15:10] <minibnz> but in the future i will need to have a way to drive a electric linear actuator to use as a ATC plus maybe two more stepper drivers. i have 4 of 5 in use at the moment but i think i need another two but they are lower power so i might keep the heavy one spare incase i blow an axis up. dont have to take board out to keep going..
[01:17:16] <minibnz> while i am at it i might add support for an encoder on the spindle incase i get tricky in the future and want to hobb gears :)
[01:17:45] <minibnz> been reading about how to make the hobbs.. its not that much more work that a single cutter
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[01:27:10] <srdc> Erant: you were helping me earlier with a drive-fault ...
[01:27:12] <srdc> you were right
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[01:27:46] <srdc> I hadn't paid attention to the drill bit when I grabbed it because I wasn't worried about the hole quality
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[01:28:42] <srdc> But it had been hand-sharpened previously ... and had a negative rake angle ... so it was basically trying to punch through 3/4" of steel
[01:29:00] <srdc> thus ... the drive itself disabled and naturally things hiccuped.
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[01:31:42] <srdc> On another note, does anybody have a clue why the GUI button would activate spindle-clockwise, but M3 doesn't?
[01:31:49] <srdc> M5 stops the spindle just fine
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[01:32:21] <srdc> and M3 makes the spindle-CW button on the GUI 'depress' ... but the spindle won't start turning until I actually click the GUI button.
[01:32:25] <_methods> did you give it a spindle speed with the m3?
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[01:32:37] <srdc> Nope
[01:32:42] <_methods> try that
[01:32:50] <srdc> Duh
[01:33:02] <_methods> hehe
[01:33:12] <_methods> don't ask me how i know that
[01:33:43] <srdc> Seems to be the best way of learning...
[01:33:46] <srdc> Thanks!
[01:34:00] <_methods> after you give it m3 with a spindle speed you should be able to give it a naked m3 and spindle should start
[01:34:05] <_methods> but not on all machines
[01:34:17] <_methods> some machines you always have to issue a spindle speed with m3/m4
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[01:35:17] <srdc> OK ... guess I've been so busy getting it all wired up that I forgot that little tidbit from the old Anilam
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[01:36:57] <_methods> i used to run a viper with a meldas controller and i think that machine would start the spindle from the last commanded speed even after a power off
[01:37:30] <_methods> i kinda liked those meldas controllers but they were definitely different than any other machine
[01:38:38] <_methods> anilam's are kinda annoying
[01:38:46] <_methods> i never liked their weird offset system
[01:40:14] <srdc> They definitely had some quirks.
[01:40:45] <_methods> mazatrol and anilam are the only 2 that i'd really prefer not to deal with
[01:41:26] <_methods> i normally just push in eia to mazaks so i don't have to deal with the mazatrol trash
[01:41:59] <srdc> can't argue with what works
[01:42:17] <srdc> I figure there's a reason the Anilams aren't around anymore.
[01:42:24] <_methods> yeah i just like plain old gcode
[01:43:08] <srdc> Same here - the Anilam had all these fancy canned cycles and quirky G-code. A lot simpler (and easier to interface with CAM) now that we're running LCNC
[01:43:35] <_methods> yeah it seems like the more energy they put into trying to make something simple the worse it turns out to be
[01:43:46] <minibnz> i added a switch to my speed controller yesterday, its a three way center off switch, emc drives a pwm signal to my MCU that drives the RC servo this switch selects between CNC off and Manual, it works well had to add power shut off to the servo when in manual mode so i could overide the gcode speeds in manual mode.
[01:44:21] <_methods> i love fanuc, it never changes
[01:44:30] <_methods> or if it does it changes at a glacial pace
[01:44:45] <minibnz> and a G3 is the same as G4 for me.. i dont have direction control that would require me to hook up another net in the hal file to toggle a relay. do you have this setup?
[01:44:47] <srdc> They sorta rule backwards compatibility in controllers
[01:45:13] <_methods> i know what to expect when i walk up to a fanuc controller
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[01:45:25] <_methods> with mazak i never know
[01:45:44] <minibnz> _methods my mate has a large mill running a faunc controller.. looks 80's ish but its complaining that the axis are locked and we cant get it to do anything. got any ideas on what gcodes i could try to make the beast come alive..
[01:46:05] <_methods> well if the axes ar locked there is something going on
[01:46:11] <_methods> it won't be a gcode that unlocks it
[01:46:40] <minibnz> ah ok thats sort of the same conclusion we came to as well.. just cant work out what is not responding..
[01:46:52] <_methods> it could be any number of causes and without an error code i wouldn't have a chance of helping
[01:46:57] <minibnz> its probably an encoder unplugged or somethign like that..
[01:47:19] <minibnz> ok i can probably get the error code.. i just dont have it on hand
[01:47:22] <_methods> the fanuc codes are trypically helpful
[01:47:52] <_methods> and the userbase is so large its very easy to find someone that has the same problem or get help
[01:47:55] <minibnz> the error that we looked up basically told us that the axis was locked but we could work out much more than that..
[01:48:02] <_methods> another plus for fanuc controls in my book
[01:48:10] <minibnz> sweet.. )
[01:48:51] <minibnz> might hit you up in the future if i get stuck.. sorta reasuring that we are heading down the right path..
[01:49:20] <_methods> yeah i mean i'd check all the relays related to that axis
[01:49:47] <_methods> in my experience with a locked axis it has usually been a sensor or relay related to the particular axis
[01:50:08] <minibnz> yeah we are planning on tearing it down to see what we can find.. just didnt want to do that if it was just a simple fix.
[01:50:18] <_methods> and worst case scenario is it's in the actual fanuc drive/controller
[01:50:43] <minibnz> well then i step in with linuxcnc and a mesa card :)
[01:50:45] <_methods> typical fanuc response is to just pop the whole thing out and replace
[01:50:55] <Tom_itx> http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-trackball-m570
[01:50:57] <_methods> which is the negative side of fanuc
[01:51:01] <Tom_itx> anybody use one of those for cad?
[01:51:07] <_methods> nah i just use a mouse
[01:51:20] <srdc> same here
[01:51:28] <Tom_itx> the mouse i have on that pc really sucks
[01:51:30] <srdc> people love trackballs ... but they're a pain to get used to
[01:51:31] <_methods> i tried using that stupid space thing
[01:51:40] <Tom_itx> the middle scroll doesn't work right as a button
[01:51:43] <minibnz> it does mean they can tell you exactly how long before you machine is up and running which could be a big plus in manufacturing
[01:51:44] <_methods> space mouse or whateer it is
[01:51:47] <Tom_itx> the space thing sucks
[01:51:53] <_methods> yeah
[01:51:53] <Tom_itx> they have those at the lab
[01:52:05] <_methods> i use so many keyboard shortcuts that thing just slows me down
[01:52:11] <Tom_itx> i used to use a wired version of the one i posted years ago and liked it
[01:52:18] <_methods> i have keybinds linked to all my stuff
[01:52:21] <Tom_itx> i picked up one of the wireless ones and am trying it
[01:52:26] <Tom_itx> i think i'll like it
[01:52:40] <Tom_itx> i got it set up for catia so it works pretty well
[01:52:44] <minibnz> oh that reminds me.. i gotta add wifi to the milliscule...
[01:53:04] <minibnz> no more blue string :)
[01:53:26] <Tom_itx> haven't tried it in sw yet
[01:54:06] <Tom_itx> works much better than my old one for pan zoom and rotate
[01:54:24] <Tom_itx> those basically didn't work on the old mouse
[01:54:37] <_methods> really?
[01:54:49] <minibnz> i need to find some drivers for my windows VM that will let me use my apple magic mouse fully..
[01:54:58] <_methods> i use shift/ctrl/alt
[01:55:01] <_methods> and mouse
[01:55:03] <Tom_itx> yeah and it's a logitech 2 button/ scroll
[01:55:18] <Tom_itx> _methods for solidworks right/
[01:55:18] <Tom_itx> ?
[01:55:24] <_methods> oh yeah without middlemouse that would suck
[01:55:28] <Tom_itx> :D
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[01:55:44] <Tom_itx> it just takes off to another planet when i push it on the old mouse
[01:55:50] <minibnz> what does middle mouse do in SW? my mouse dont got it.. dont tell me its OK
[01:56:02] <_methods> i use it for pan
[01:56:03] <_methods> zoom
[01:56:34] <Tom_itx> in catia a combination of the middle and right do rotate pan and zoom
[01:56:36] <minibnz> ahh ok i use the up/down scroll for that.. want pan on the left right scoll but windows cant see it
[01:56:42] <_methods> yeah every program is diff
[01:56:48] <Tom_itx> depending on how you select them
[01:56:57] <_methods> it gets confusing when you're running 3 or 4 diff cad/cam program
[01:56:58] <Tom_itx> middle is pan
[01:57:06] <Tom_itx> middle with right click is zoom
[01:57:08] <_methods> swapping between them
[01:57:11] <Tom_itx> middle and righ held is rotate
[01:57:27] <minibnz> i dont use windowz enough for to know this.. i use solidwoks and altium in a VM on a mac
[01:57:44] <Tom_itx> so i mapped one of those little buttons on the left to be the middle button
[01:57:55] <Tom_itx> actually makes it pretty handy that way
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[01:58:39] <Tom_itx> i think i'll like it. and i haven't had a new toy in a while :)
[01:59:15] <_methods> hehe
[01:59:28] <_methods> i've been on a toy spree lately
[01:59:30] <Tom_itx> cheap thrill
[01:59:36] <_methods> got the welder and the horizontal
[02:00:03] <_methods> replaced my $130 capacitor and welder is back up now
[02:00:09] <Tom_itx> i suppose they all do but this has a place in the battery compartment for the usb dongle
[02:01:54] <Erant> How do spindles normally get controlled from a Mesa?
[02:02:07] <Tom_itx> analog or pwm
[02:02:13] <Tom_itx> depending on the control
[02:02:34] <Tom_itx> mine is 0-10v most are +-10v
[02:02:52] <Erant> So I have an 'open loop' ( no encoder) brushless spindle with an MC33035 brushless controller.
[02:03:43] <Erant> The normal way of setting speed is a pot, and it has a display with the RPM, and this is controlled by a little ATMega.
[02:04:26] <Erant> I'm looking at the datasheet for the brushless controller, and it says you can control speed by a speed pot, or a PWM signal in closed operation.
[02:04:37] <Tom_itx> my sherline had a pot and i hacked it to run 0-10v
[02:05:00] <Erant> That's what I was going to do here.
[02:05:07] <Erant> What's the feedback, if any?
[02:05:18] <Tom_itx> i added an encoder to the spindle
[02:05:57] <Erant> I would've thought hal effect sensors would be enough for speed control...
[02:06:00] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/timing_pulley_index.php
[02:06:14] <Tom_itx> i wanted to do rigid tapping
[02:06:33] <Erant> Oh nice.
[02:07:01] <Erant> Ok, so you needed position control, fair enough.
[02:07:12] * Erant goes back to reading datasheet some more.
[02:07:36] <Erant> I may just tear the PCB out and beep it out to see what they're doing.
[02:07:49] <Erant> And 'worst case' I'll dump the ATMega and reverse the code.
[02:10:25] <Erant> I actually wonder if I could get a better controller. I have to slow my cuts down because it takes the controller a little while to figure out the right power after my end mill engages the material.
[02:10:50] <Erant> Slows the spindle down until it can add enough juice to compensate for the engagement.
[02:11:20] <Erant> Takes it like a second, but that's enough to create a chipload my little machine can't handle.
[02:13:39] <Erant> Ah, ok, looks like the ATMega closes the loop using the hall sensors.
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[02:16:23] <_methods> omg this is hilarious
[02:16:25] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldu0xxmrutw
[02:16:37] <_methods> around 5min mark
[02:17:05] <_methods> he rigged up his mig gun to a cnc built with skateboard wheels
[02:17:47] <_methods> he even filmed the trash man showin up at his house
[02:18:34] <Erant> That. Looks pretty good.
[02:20:16] <Erant> Wonder if you could do FDM with this :P
[02:21:05] <_methods> already been done
[02:21:10] <Erant> I figured.
[02:22:11] <Erant> So it looks like I can just wire the existing pot to my 7i78.
[02:22:53] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9IdZ2pI5dA
[02:22:59] <Erant> Which doesn't sound great.
[02:23:08] <_methods> laser sinter 5 axis mill
[02:25:20] <Erant> Ok that's fucking amazing.
[02:26:24] <_methods> hahah so is the price tag
[02:27:17] <Erant> I don't doubt it, but that is some sexy shit right there.
[02:27:32] <_methods> yeah
[02:30:01] <Erant> Meanwhile I'm trying to find a fuse holder in my parts bin because the one on my mill is shit.
[02:34:56] <Erant> Huh, I honestly thought I had one...
[02:35:44] <Erant> Probably threw it out thinking "when am I ever going to need this"
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[02:36:59] <_methods> hehe
[02:37:09] <_methods> i may have done that before
[02:37:18] <t12> https://hgpauction.hibid.com/catalog/71802/ampex
[02:37:22] <t12> ampex machine shop up for auction?
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[02:41:18] <_methods> oh nice
[02:41:21] <_methods> hlv-h
[02:41:26] <_methods> and a rotex punch
[02:41:46] <_methods> that victor is a nice lathe too
[02:41:48] <t12> small parts bins for life
[02:42:38] <t12> https://hgpauction.hibid.com/lot/23558287/assorted-toolboxes/?ref=catalog
[02:42:43] <t12> a lifetime supply of kennedy boxes
[02:42:57] <t12> https://hgpauction.hibid.com/lot/23558288/assorted-toolboxes/?ref=catalog
[02:43:27] <_methods> bunch of nice old oscopes
[02:44:21] <Erant> I've got an HLV-H coming up in a local auction soon.
[02:44:49] <t12> dang i guess they're shutting that whole thing down? reception desk and such up for auction too
[02:44:50] <Erant> Big Mori Seiki and a Wabeco.
[02:45:55] <_methods> i just saw an hlv-h go at auction for $14k
[02:46:02] <Erant> Damn.
[02:46:05] <_methods> yeah
[02:46:18] <_methods> i thought i was going to get lucky for a minute
[02:46:25] <_methods> it stalled at like $2k
[02:46:28] <_methods> and i was high bidder
[02:46:32] <Erant> And then *BAM*
[02:46:34] <_methods> then it just took off
[02:46:43] <Erant> What's it worth?
[02:47:01] <_methods> i've seen them sell for anywher from $2k to 20k
[02:47:08] <_methods> just depends on the buyer
[02:47:15] <_methods> kinda like monarch 10ee
[02:47:35] <Erant> Yeah, going to my first auction next week. Curious to see how it goes.
[02:47:54] <_methods> i go to the pre auction
[02:48:00] <_methods> mark what i want
[02:48:05] <_methods> then i bid online
[02:48:14] <_methods> keeps me disassociated
[02:48:36] <_methods> it's easy to do stupid things if you go to the actual auction
[02:48:38] <Erant> Though the Compact 8 guy came grovelling back to me after not replying for 4 days.
[02:48:42] <Erant> Heh, sure.
[02:48:59] <_methods> much easier to sit at a desk and walk away
[02:49:11] <_methods> sitting in the AC
[02:49:23] <Erant> Yeah, though it sorta looks like the preauction and the auction are right next to each other
[02:49:25] <_methods> sippin a on mah coffee
[02:49:25] <t12> some auction rules are pretty rough
[02:49:39] <_methods> yeah they are usually 1 day apart
[02:49:42] <t12> like if you default on payment they'll charge you for the price loss and holding
[02:49:59] <_methods> yeah defaulting is a bad idea
[02:50:02] <Erant> _methods: Ah, no. Auction's at 11AM, pre-auction 9AM.
[02:50:05] <_methods> don't bid on something you can't buy
[02:50:10] <_methods> oh
[02:50:15] <Erant> Defaulting's a bad idea in most scenarios.
[02:50:18] <_methods> wow 2 hours pre auction
[02:50:24] <_methods> tha's shady
[02:50:36] <Erant> "PREVIEW: Morning of Sale 9:00 A.M. to 11:00 A.M."
[02:50:48] <Erant> Interesting.
[02:50:49] <Erant> http://ashmancompany.com/auctions/details/1000000686
[02:50:51] <Erant> It's this one
[02:50:54] <_methods> i would skip that unless there was something i wanted bad
[02:51:13] <CaptHindsight> _methods: no whip half caff double shot extra half short latte-cano-so?
[02:51:14] <_methods> most places give you a couple days
[02:51:20] <_methods> hahahha
[02:51:24] <_methods> NO
[02:51:30] <_methods> all we have is a normal coffee pot
[02:51:39] <Erant> I was just going to look at the tooling, really.
[02:51:53] <_methods> well if it's close to you it's a no brainer
[02:51:54] <Erant> I'd love that Wabeco, but it's going to go for way more than I can afford.
[02:51:56] <Erant> It is
[02:52:01] <Erant> 10-15 mins from work.
[02:52:01] <_methods> i hit every auction within 2 hours
[02:52:41] <Erant> 5000RPM, DRO, 2HP motor.
[02:52:46] <_methods> even if we don't need anything i'll watch it just to see if something is going for a stupid price
[02:53:02] <_methods> hard to pass up stuff that you can flip in a day
[02:53:04] <Erant> Yeah, I do that with yard sales and stuff.
[02:53:21] <Erant> Especially with electronics I know what stuff is worth, and what stuff is rare.
[02:53:31] <_methods> i mean i got a horizontal at that last auction for $100
[02:53:36] <Erant> Which is...
[02:53:39] <_methods> i can get $500 just in scrap
[02:53:39] <Erant> Insane.
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[02:55:04] <_methods> yeah i got a rigid pipe threader 00-R with 4 dies and a rigid 12-R thrader with 3 dies for $90
[02:55:09] <_methods> at same auction
[02:55:22] <Erant> Yeah, I'm curious what kind of crowd this is going to draw
[02:55:37] <_methods> you never know that's the whacky part of auctions
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[02:55:39] <Erant> It's on a Wednesday, in the morning.
[02:55:51] <_methods> just know what you want and what you will pay for what you want before you go
[02:55:56] <_methods> and you will be safe
[02:56:06] <Erant> That was the plan.
[02:56:13] <_methods> i see people pay new prices for stuff at auctions all the time
[02:56:19] <CaptHindsight> I get lots of Soviet surplus that way
[02:56:20] <_methods> they don't know what stuff is worth
[02:57:01] <_methods> i know prices for everything we're going after and i know prices for side stuff that can turn a profit
[02:57:14] <_methods> easy flip stuff
[02:57:21] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXqKkYYALMU What Fits Into Russia
[02:57:29] <_methods> i stay away from inserts/drills/carbide
[02:57:38] <_methods> bidding can get very intense over that stuff
[02:57:50] <_methods> and you can lose your ass real fast
[02:58:41] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks
[02:59:32] <_methods> hola senor
[02:59:52] <PetefromTn_> hola there yourself ;)
[03:00:06] <_methods> the $130 capacitor fixed my welder
[03:00:16] <CaptHindsight> hola, ¿cómo es su cabra hoy?
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[03:00:33] <_methods> chupa ma penga
[03:00:46] <PetefromTn_> no goats here chump
[03:01:03] <CaptHindsight> Si pudiera caminar de esa manera no necesitaría el polvo de talco.
[03:01:16] <_methods> you want to walk like an egyptian?
[03:01:26] <CaptHindsight> lol
[03:01:34] <_methods> hahah
[03:02:15] <_methods> they need to make another men in black with jar jar binks
[03:02:43] <CaptHindsight> hasta banana one and all!
[03:02:58] <minibnz> hehehehe people would pay good money to see him shot.. or tourtured....
[03:03:20] <_methods> he'd make a great MIB alien
[03:03:54] <_methods> meesa thinks they put him in da wrong movie
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[03:04:02] <PetefromTn_> man I don't know whats worse...
[03:04:17] <PetefromTn_> trying to fix up and sell my house here
[03:04:35] <PetefromTn_> or trying to find a NEW house down there in Florida from 800 miles away LOL
[03:05:00] <minibnz> oh yeah that shits gonna work out :)
[03:05:49] <minibnz> you cant buy house over the phone or net and it be what you want :) i dont care how many 360 photos or videos they do you need boots on ground before you buy it to take it all in..
[03:06:20] <minibnz> and by the sound of things its not a 'day' trip to go look.. so you have to have a few all lined up. .thats gotta suck...
[03:06:22] <PetefromTn_> Well my Mother is down there right now and she is going to look at the houses we find when she can
[03:06:40] <PetefromTn_> my brother took her around a bit for us today
[03:06:41] <minibnz> oh thats all right heels on the ground work too :)
[03:07:10] <PetefromTn_> there was a KICKASS house we saw in our price range but unfortunately when she looked at it the thing needed a lot of work...
[03:07:19] <minibnz> as long as they have a clue you should be ok
[03:07:34] <_methods> wtf you lookin at houses for
[03:07:41] <_methods> you need a WAREhouse
[03:07:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah my mother owns like four houses now, she's good at that
[03:07:53] <_methods> with some slab
[03:07:58] <PetefromTn_> I told my wife about that idea....she just gave me the look
[03:08:04] <_methods> and 3phase
[03:08:06] <_methods> lol
[03:08:16] <_methods> baby we NEED 3phase
[03:08:19] <PetefromTn_> don't need no Steenking 3 phase
[03:08:32] <PetefromTn_> just need the room
[03:08:36] <minibnz> oh they just dont get it do they..
[03:08:45] <_methods> well not you now you replaced all your motors lol
[03:08:49] <minibnz> 3phase is the shiz..
[03:08:58] <PetefromTn_> meh
[03:09:08] <PetefromTn_> my machine runs pretty good on the single
[03:09:16] <PetefromTn_> its running as we speak
[03:09:23] <PetefromTn_> making those two rails I sold this morning
[03:09:47] <_methods> you better make you some extras while you got it all hoooked up
[03:10:13] <PetefromTn_> what sucks is the prices went up a good bit down there in Florida so our dollar is gonna buy less house now SUCKAGE!!
[03:10:38] <minibnz> would it be worth while to add an accelerometer to my mill? thinking it could be used to slow the speed of a pass if ithe vibes get too bad..
[03:10:45] <PetefromTn_> we are hoping to find something that maybe needs some cabinet work I can get a good deal on. There are a few down there right now that have potential
[03:11:56] <Erant> minibnz: Euh, sometimes you need to speed up to get the vibes down ;)
[03:12:13] <minibnz> oh ok so it wont be straightforward
[03:12:32] <Erant> Nope.
[03:12:32] <_methods> yeah that's what feedrate and spindle override are for
[03:12:51] <_methods> so you can "experiment" with your feed/speed
[03:13:01] <pink_vampire> morning
[03:13:05] <Erant> Twiddle... Tune.
[03:13:14] <minibnz> yeah probably best to just get it right :)
[03:13:34] <_methods> hell i've run mills for days that sounded like they were going to explode
[03:13:37] <minibnz> ok bbs gotta go get some mosfet drivers before the shop shuts.
[03:13:42] <Erant> Yeah, read up on chipload and whatnot.
[03:13:51] <Erant> I like watching NYC CNC on YouTube.
[03:14:03] <_methods> just because it sounds bad doesn't necessarily mean it's doing something bad
[03:14:24] <Erant> And the reverse is unfortunately true too
[03:14:46] <_methods> we're running some parts now that make the whole building shake
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[03:14:56] <_methods> nothing you can do about it
[03:14:58] <PetefromTn_> pink_vampire Evening :D
[03:15:27] <pink_vampire> for you maybe..
[03:15:47] <PetefromTn_> where are you that's morning are you out of the country?
[03:16:05] <_methods> she's a vampire
[03:16:11] <PetefromTn_> indeed
[03:16:11] <_methods> nightime is the right time
[03:16:22] <pink_vampire> yep..
[03:19:42] <Erant> Time to ponder wiring for the spindle...
[03:19:47] <Erant> Or rather, connectors.
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[03:20:16] <Erant> And a dipole to select machine vs. manual
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[03:36:09] <minibnz> dont skimp on the poles.. i needed three in the end for mine. i needed the 3rd to cut the power to my servo so i could turn my knob.. you probably wont need it but thing of other things you could use it for.. liights?
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[03:43:29] <minibnz> i got two mosfet drivers and a LP289 motor driver.. can use that to drive my grinder and the tool changer the mosfets can be for the coolant and leds and i have one more spare.. they were on special meant for the arduino so they are all on little carrier boards so it will make life a bit easier to mount and replace in the future :)
[03:44:33] <minibnz> multicore screened cable to wire up the spindle encoder.. (i have more spare inputs than i know what to do with them :) until i get encoders for the other axis then its meas time..
[03:50:24] <minibnz> oh man these guys are crap.. another product with no real data sheet.. there are 6 jumpers on this motor board and no information available about them.. i knew this was going to be a prooblem.. time to get the angry emails out...
[03:51:13] <minibnz> the one saving grace is that there is only one IC on the board i can reverse eng it to make it go but i really shouldnt have to...
[03:51:42] <Tom_itx> Teacher: In this exercise you will name the quadralateral
[03:51:49] <XXCoder> where is my angry eyes?
[03:51:51] <Tom_itx> Student: I'll call it Jerry.
[03:51:53] <minibnz> and the data sheet they did supply is more like a sales brochure and it has a mistake clearly
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[03:56:00] <evil_ren> http://i.imgur.com/hMTujlj.jpg
[03:56:06] <evil_ren> haas machined their own F1 wheels
[03:56:09] <evil_ren> theyre the only ones
[03:56:19] <evil_ren> this season might be interesting
[04:05:59] <Crom> I need to rewire my 3040
[04:17:39] <minibnz> ok that was time i could have used other ways.. they are to join then enable lines and pulls on the signal lines.
[04:18:40] <minibnz> its was not hard for me.. but it would have been even easier if the asses that sold it to me had written it down.. infact they lack datasheets on a lot of their stuff.. stay clear of duinotech
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[05:04:07] <minibnz> oh wow.. to use this motor driver with DC motors you need to use 6 control lines. 3 for each motor.. i think i will have to add a little logic chip to the inputs to allow me to get away with less. 2 per motor. maybe 1 depending on what i use it for..
[05:04:20] <minibnz> might need both of them to go both directions..
[05:05:06] <minibnz> mignt not.. yet to be decided. infact i wont even hook that one up to the par port yet.
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[06:09:51] <Erant> minibnz: Shift register.
[06:10:07] <Erant> Buffered shift register to be precise.
[06:10:26] <Erant> CLK, DATA, !ENABLE
[06:12:59] <minibnz> its a l289 driver board so there are lots of designs on the net if i need them its pretty popular i want to use it as a dual DC motor driver most interfaces are for steppers but i can still get what i need.
[06:14:15] <minibnz> at the moment all i think i need to drive with it is the tool changer motor maybe a grinder motor for when if i want to spin a diamond disc at the right speed.
[06:14:55] <minibnz> these can wait until i haev more $$$ spare and maybe a job :)
[06:16:12] <minibnz> tool changer is pretty useless with only one tool that fits the collet at the moment, need to find some tool holders
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[06:45:44] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: you around?
[06:46:09] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: I really want to buy/try some of your solvent based dye
[06:46:56] <CaptHindsight> I'll be asleep for the next 10-11 hours
[06:47:06] <CaptHindsight> try me then
[06:47:16] <tiwake> alright
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[07:25:14] <minibnz> oh that was a mission... finally got it all back together now i need to remap the pins to my new drivers :)
[07:41:04] <minibnz> hmmm everything seems ok except i am permanently in estop :( and cant change it in software. gotta work out how to bypass the hardware pins in the hal file. i had a loop back from pin 1 to pin 11 but not putting that on at the moment
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[07:41:23] <minibnz> that will mean taking the box down again.. not today.. not this week..
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[07:44:50] <minibnz> plenty of pages on enabling but even when i hash out all the estop lines in the hal file i still cannot enable it :(
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[07:58:12] <Deejay> moin
[07:58:18] <minibnz> this is retarded.. i am going to have to add a physical wire to the pins i just cannot find any info on removing the estop once you have added it.. now its sounds stupid i should be able to simply hash out the lines i added to turn off but no i seem to be missing something.
[08:14:20] <minibnz> oh hardware wins again.. going to have to add a loopback wire..
[08:15:23] <minibnz> cant find anything to follow and if i remove (not just hash out the estop lines) it still wont work.. and i know the file is right cuz i can break my work lamp settings which are in that file and it does what i tell it..
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[08:15:54] <minibnz> going to try and carry a hot soldering iron to the mill to attach the wire..
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[08:31:11] <FloppyDisk> Erant - stay away from my wabeco:-) hahahahah.... j/k. I haven't decided if I will go to the auction, but if you're going, I might try a little harder.
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[09:52:27] <minibnz> yeah happy now.. i got all the must do things sorted out on my mill now the other things are still there to be done but there is no rush i think its at the point where i can sit back and dream for a little bit :)
[09:53:16] <minibnz> the extra fan seems to be helping a hell of a lot dumping all that heat thats in the box.. it doesnt really help when its nearly 9pm and feels like its 33'c in there..
[09:53:31] <minibnz> no air con in the work room :(
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[10:56:51] <jthornton> yippie 13 stone today only 1/2 stone to go
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[10:59:09] <SpeedEvil> jthornton:
http://www.amazon.com/Kraft-Macaroni-Cheese-Dash-Button/dp/B00WJ13MVM
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[11:04:48] <archivist> cake
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[11:11:10] <jthornton> I wonder what Andy did here to lift the frame
http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/holbrook1.html
[11:11:47] <jthornton> oh I think I see it now the castor is mounted to an inner part that the screw pushes on
[11:14:25] <jthornton> after tipping my Samson over once I made this to move top heavy stuff and well any thing I needed to move
http://gnipsel.com/shop/gantry/gantry.xhtml
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[11:20:29] <archivist> he is also using strapping between frame and under lathe
[11:21:28] <archivist> I still use rollers, levers etc
[11:27:56] <_methods> yeah i like my machines firmly attached to the ground
[11:28:39] <_methods> i'm always leary of moving heavy machines on casters
[11:28:50] <jthornton> I was lucky to have the steel as drops from other jobs so why not put it to good use
[11:28:53] <_methods> seen too many tipped when they hit a crack or chip on the floor
[11:30:24] <_methods> yeah lift is the way to go
[11:31:01] <_methods> not many things are more horrifying than watching a machine go over
[11:32:06] <jthornton> when the Samson started over the other guy there helping me move it started to move to it to stop it and hollered no
[11:32:29] <_methods> yeah you're not stopping that train once it's in motion
[11:32:38] <jthornton> only broke two hand wheels and bent the X screw a tad
[11:32:49] <_methods> wow
[11:32:52] <_methods> got lucky on that
[11:32:54] <jthornton> sure got my respect in a hurry
[11:33:08] <_methods> it will put a nice whole in the slab too
[11:33:12] <jthornton> yea IIRC there was some other stuff that slowed it down
[11:33:43] <_methods> it's real bad when they drop off the truck lol
[11:35:04] <jthornton> when I unloaded the BP VMC the fork lift was too small and I had to use straps to keep it on the lift
[11:35:21] <_methods> heheh
[11:35:37] <jthornton> I lifted it up and the truck drove out from under it and then I backed my trailer under and slowly lowered it down
[11:35:38] <_methods> i've found the best riggers are just very slow and methodical
[11:35:46] <_methods> and they never stress over anything
[11:35:54] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/shop/unload-308/unload-308.xhtml
[11:36:06] <jthornton> that took a 3 day weekend
[11:36:06] <archivist> we moved a steam engine on a gantry crane, the legs started bending outwards
[11:36:31] <_methods> yeah i try to just move slow and keep the machine as close to the ground as possible at all times
[11:36:55] <archivist> slow and near ground means less damage
[11:36:55] <_methods> getting things on and off the truck is usually the worst part
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[11:37:28] <aventtini3> hello guys
[11:37:29] <jthornton> the most amazing riggers I watched was on the nuke subs they would move equipment down the passage way with chain falls and they were so good the equipment moved horizontal with no up and down motion
[11:37:32] <_methods> once you get past that it's typically just a matter of not doing stupid stuff to get around obstacles
[11:37:46] <archivist> its hard sometimes getting rid of thick helpers, when you want to be slow and methodical
[11:37:47] <aventtini3> can any one give me the link to 2.7.4
[11:37:57] <aventtini3> my mozzila dont work on the web now
[11:38:10] <_methods> to the livecd?
[11:38:13] <jthornton> you get 2.7.0 and upgrade to .4
[11:38:36] <aventtini3> the i upgrade
[11:38:46] <aventtini3> iso
[11:39:08] <aventtini3> the axis drift away with 2,7
[11:39:12] <aventtini3> in continus
[11:39:18] <jthornton> http://www.linuxcnc.org/linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso
[11:39:19] <aventtini3> if i install 2.6
[11:39:24] <aventtini3> it works perfect
[11:39:33] <aventtini3> i cant understand why
[11:39:40] <aventtini3> i have set the setups
[11:39:53] <aventtini3> offsets
[11:40:03] <aventtini3> on the servos
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[11:49:35] <jthornton> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzX0JXX5iCc
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[11:59:35] <aventtini3> anyone?
[11:59:47] <aventtini3> 3 machines same drives
[11:59:53] <aventtini3> same problem on 2.7
[12:00:08] <aventtini3> and all of them work perfect on 2.6
[12:01:10] <aventtini3> drives are bosch
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[12:16:32] <minibnz> do ypu havean oscillioscope? maybe the pulse widths have dropped for some reason or you have some new noise
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[14:39:13] <minibnz> <aventtini3> i found this in the changelog encoder: document the surprising encoder num_chan=0 behavior in manpage but i cannot work out what they are refering to as suprising
[14:39:13] <minibnz> where is the man page for linuxcnc?
[14:39:13] <MonoAngularJS> I think it has to do with a default route or something
[14:39:13] <minibnz> oh its in the terminal.
[14:39:13] <MonoAngularJS> I think it has to do with a default path or something
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[14:41:46] <minibnz> oh i dont have the right version of linuxcnc that has this update
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[15:22:03] <zeeshan> :)
[15:23:02] <Roguish> JT-Shop: hey, how's it going man? store front looks good, but you need a pretty girl on the front....
[15:25:32] <MonoAngularJS> how to install deamontools
[15:27:27] <MonoAngularJS> I can't do it to work
[15:28:40] <archivist> what has deamontools got to do with linuxcnc
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[15:32:26] <yasnak> How accurate can you hold 3d printed parts?
[15:33:06] <archivist> how accurate were they made :)
[15:33:24] <yasnak> Never really used them for actual prototyping so that all depends...
[15:34:05] <yasnak> I need a faster solution to new product prototyping. Our engineers suck, and I need faster answers to their crappy designs. Right now us machinists tool up and run knowing the design sucks and won't work. We spend alot of time proving this.
[15:34:45] <archivist> us and them problem :)
[15:35:33] <yasnak> Eh, somewhat. We don't really make mistakes. We make what the print specifies. I need to teach by rubbing nose in end product at this point. I just can't be wasing thousand + hours doing it.
[15:35:34] <Roguish> yasnak: why are you bagging on the engineers?
[15:36:10] <pcw_home> aventtini3: as other have said, use your previous config files, your current ones are broken
[15:36:25] <Roguish> get the engineers into the shop, away from the screens so they realize their ways...
[15:36:31] <yasnak> Because it ultimately falls back on them, when you're design has actuators that aren't actually held in position and you make the assembly work by mating it to another piece that actually won't work in real life it becomes an issue of "what are you smoking dude?"
[15:36:54] <yasnak> Roguish, I'm trying that as well. But as you know they have alot to do as well. I just don't know the best solution to this.
[15:37:07] <Roguish> talk and communications are key.
[15:37:37] <archivist> it is unfortunate that modern designers dont get an apprenticeship on the floor making stuff
[15:37:43] <Roguish> the engineers should solicit comment from the mechanics and machinists, the visa-versa.
[15:38:16] <Roguish> 'and' visa-versa
[15:38:21] <yasnak> Oh we do, but then there is the issue of the suggestions getting lost in translation. Next rev is released with none of the issues brought up previously being fixed. Blah blah
[15:38:51] <Roguish> could this be a 'leadership' problem?
[15:38:57] <tiwake> enh
[15:39:03] <archivist> have to be recorded so you can rub noses in the list of errors
[15:39:05] <pcw_home> aventtini3: LinuxCNC 2.7.x uses the same config files as 2.6 with some minor
[15:39:07] <pcw_home> exceptions so its _MUCH_ easier to use your working hal/ini files than start from scratch
[15:39:09] <yasnak> Apprenticeship is key really, they're modeling things that aren't possible to be machinined or would take endless hours to machine.
[15:39:26] <yasnak> Yes recorded. Leadership is an issue.
[15:39:46] <tiwake> engineers should work out on the shop floor for a year or two in a general job shop
[15:40:17] <yasnak> My boss is a GET IT DONE NOW dude. But we're also regulated and have massive amounts of ISO involved. So its a push pull deal in which us machninists end up being the ones who must make sure everyhting is right. And that really slows us down.
[15:40:18] <Roguish> yasnak: i agree with that, I am the 'engineer', and have always felt 'new engineers' especially ones fresh from school should spend a bit of time 'on the floor'
[15:40:31] <zeeshan> Roguish: you and me both know
[15:40:38] <zeeshan> most engineers haven't fucking touched a machine in their life
[15:40:43] <yasnak> ;/
[15:40:47] <zeeshan> and give us a bad name
[15:40:51] <zeeshan> i encounter this DAILY!!!
[15:40:58] <zeeshan> but they're definitely not dumb.
[15:41:01] <yasnak> See, thats just it. I get so frustrated. Things that seem so common sense to me are anything but common sense.
[15:41:02] <zeeshan> its lack of physical experience
[15:41:34] <archivist> too easy these days to 3d design the impossible
[15:41:35] <zeeshan> yasnak: honestly, i could make a machinist feel dumb too.
[15:41:37] <Roguish> I know, and it sucks. my nephew just finished his EE, and had never opened a simple outlet in a house 'til he helped me....
[15:41:48] <zeeshan> they don't understand half the engineering stuff ..
[15:41:52] <zeeshan> i'm not an ass about it though
[15:41:53] <yasnak> Zeeshan, please humble me. I think that may be the issue sometimes :P
[15:42:05] <zeeshan> the other day a guy asked me "what is this unit 1 m^3"
[15:42:10] <zeeshan> he's an EXCELLENT machinist
[15:42:11] <Roguish> schools only teach a little bit. the rest in OTJ.
[15:42:26] <yasnak> I'm a cross between programmer, machinist and mechanical engineer. Never finished school. Been doing this since I was 16.
[15:44:03] <zeeshan> im not sure why a lot of eng don't want to get physical :P
[15:44:04] <yasnak> Ah, anyways, bad rant. Sucks to start out saturdays on a bad note :P
[15:44:07] <zeeshan> (sounds sexual)
[15:44:08] <zeeshan> haha
[15:44:26] <yasnak> Eh, whatever gets the excitement level up eh
[15:44:50] <zeeshan> yasnak: heres an example of a silly mistake ive made
[15:44:56] <Roguish> it's definitely a 2 way street. machinists and mechanics don't usually like me either, 'cause I can do pretty much whatever they can, but they usually can't do what I do.
[15:45:00] <zeeshan> and i work with my hands all the time
[15:45:04] <zeeshan> i put in a bolt that couldnt be installed
[15:45:04] <zeeshan> lol
[15:45:10] <zeeshan> sometimes its hard to see in the computer model
[15:45:23] <zeeshan> in real life i woulda known right away
[15:45:33] <zeeshan> haha Roguish
[15:45:41] <yasnak> Tried to use one of those L-Shaped bolts?
[15:45:58] <zeeshan> nah bolt was too long to go in from one direction
[15:46:15] <yasnak> See oyur issues are always like...
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[15:47:08] <yasnak> Not like that. More like a 1/4-20 bolt, correct specs. Placed about 0.01" from the wall to tapped major ID. So you end up having the drill/tap walk or just plain break.
[15:47:15] <Roguish> the whole 'communication' thing does work, just gotta break down the walls. OH, same with the mechanical versus the electrical.... every place I've been has been a 'throw it over the wall' to the electrical/controls groupl.
[15:47:31] <yasnak> Things that make you lose hair
[15:48:57] <Roguish> yasnak. ever had anyone cheat on a drawing dimension ? that's when the dimension is edited and the drawing or model is not changed? then the model or drawing file is used for manufacture? you get a heap of expensive scrap.
[15:49:05] <yasnak> OMG
[15:49:16] <yasnak> Yes
[15:49:25] <yasnak> haha, this is an everyday issue. They override dims
[15:49:55] <Roguish> first thing I tell my drafters and designers is the cheating dimensions is a firing event.
[15:50:14] <Roguish> how can you be ISO with that?
[15:50:29] <yasnak> So you'd fire over that for real?
[15:50:33] <yasnak> You can't...
[15:51:03] <yasnak> I waste endless time and scrap with that. Its got to the point where I'll get a print but I'll need to check the model I'll be using for surfacing before I even begin programming it.
[15:51:47] <yasnak> Or when they dimmension off of other machined surfaces and never give me a dimmension to the part center or some sort of datum.
[15:51:48] <Roguish> ya know even the threat works pretty good. and explain it in dollars and cents. paying for scrap is just wasteful. lower profit, lower wages.
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[15:52:55] <Roguish> above all I always try to get everyone to understand that it is a 'cooperative' thing, not a 'competitive' one.
[15:53:29] <Roguish> a constant effort for sure.
[15:53:35] <yasnak> Sometimes its annoying, as we're somewhat still a mid-size factory. So babysitting someone day in and day out isn't something that can be done while also getting your own stuff done.
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[15:53:43] <Roguish> but ya can't give up. never give up.
[15:53:49] <yasnak> Ah at least I'm not alone in this haha.
[15:54:02] <Roguish> dude, not at all.
[15:54:14] <yasnak> Hey man, thats why I'm at the shop on saturdays. Hanging with 1st and 2nd shift guys is somewhat fun.
[15:54:34] <Roguish> that's the ticket.
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[15:58:01] <PetefromTn_> Morning linuxCNC
[15:58:07] <archivist> when it is external designers, you have to give the drawings a good looking at and send a barrage of questions
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[16:00:55] <archivist> I did get one job, "do what you like"
[16:01:09] <yasnak> We do this all, it just ends up being an issue of project management.
[16:01:19] <tiwake> hey PetefromTn_
[16:01:29] <PetefromTn_> hey tiwake
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[16:06:27] <Erant> Is there anything especially wrong with the 600p encoders I see on eBay?
[16:06:36] <Erant> Does a spindle encoder require a Z for example?
[16:06:54] <Tom_itx> zeeshan it should be a prerequisite for all engineers
[16:07:20] <Tom_itx> the bad ones would end up with no fingers and the problem would self solve
[16:07:56] <Roguish> Tom_itx: so how do you really feel?
[16:08:17] <cpresser> he cant feel his fingers :)
[16:08:19] * zeeshan overrides dimension
[16:08:19] <zeeshan> :D
[16:08:35] <Roguish> you're FIRED !!!
[16:08:37] <Tom_itx> i have all my digits and plan to leave this life with them
[16:08:53] <zeeshan> Roguish: its okay
[16:08:58] <zeeshan> if the model is +/- 0.030 thou
[16:09:06] <zeeshan> why do you think holes have clearance in them
[16:09:08] <zeeshan> :D
[16:09:24] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: You can leave with them, not necessarily attached, how about a nice necklace instead?
[16:10:04] <Tom_itx> naw i'm not that sort of freak
[16:10:26] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Oh, so you're a special kind of freak - gotcha!
[16:10:55] <pcw_home> Erant: spindle encoders need Z ( if used for threading or rigid tapping)
[16:11:09] <archivist> Erant, you need a z for threading
[16:11:25] <PetefromTn_> what sort of freak are ya there tom?
[16:11:32] <yasnak> lol
[16:11:37] <Tom_itx> not all that freakish really
[16:11:45] <tiwake> if I'm redoing all the wiring in my car, what kind of wire do I want to get?
[16:11:51] <yasnak> Plus side is...I actually still have all my fingers. Boss just recently tried to mill his off though
[16:11:51] <Tom_itx> copper
[16:11:58] <Tom_itx> with teflon jacket
[16:12:05] <yasnak> Who knew an endmill tends to *grab* metal..an
[16:12:09] <yasnak> and flesh :P
[16:12:10] <PetefromTn_> sorta like annoying people don't really know how annoying they really are ;)
[16:12:13] <tiwake> probably stranded core?
[16:12:24] <zeeshan> pe
[16:12:29] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i dont know how annoying i am
[16:12:36] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ not pointing any fingers are ya? :)
[16:12:41] <Tom_itx> err do you still have em..
[16:12:42] <tiwake> zeeshan: helps if you press tab ;)
[16:12:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QYHxGBH6o4M#t=74
[16:12:48] <zeeshan> :-(
[16:12:50] <tiwake> :D
[16:12:51] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan That much is abundantly clear ;)
[16:13:19] <zeeshan> it took 9 months but i sold the fanuc spindle drive on ebay
[16:13:22] * Tom_itx decides not to click on Jymmm's offerings
[16:13:26] <zeeshan> more like 5 months :P
[16:13:37] <PetefromTn_> a safe assumption
[16:13:47] <Erant> Ah. Z it is then. They're slightly more expensive, but they also look to be better built
[16:14:31] <archivist> Erant, number of slots matters if you are going to use a parallel port
[16:14:45] <Erant> It'll be hooked up to a 7i78
[16:15:00] <archivist> then you can use almost any
[16:15:45] <Erant> I intend on bypassing the controller in there right now, feeding the encoder to the 7i78 and using the spindle 'pot' as the speed control.
[16:16:11] <Erant> Which closes the loop over what is there currently (just speed from the hall sensors, fed to an ATMega)
[16:21:12] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: poke about getting/buying some dye :3
[16:22:11] <Erant> Interesting, there's some pretty cheap OMRON ones that are 2000p/r
[16:22:34] <Erant> $25 shipped from China, A B Z.
[16:23:54] <Erant> The only thing I'm a little concerned about is the low Vref for the torque control. 6.25v
[16:25:01] <pcw_home> high resolution is not very important for a spindle encoder
[16:25:02] <pcw_home> (and lower res encoders are less fussy mechanically)
[16:26:01] <CaptHindsight> but I want my 1 arc second of res :)
[16:26:17] <Erant> pcw_home: I know, that's just one of the cheaper ones...
[16:26:42] <Erant> Probably knock-offs though
[16:27:20] <pcw_home> really cheap, wonder what they look like inside
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[16:28:44] <archivist> I wonder if some of the really cheap are non optical
[16:29:08] <Erant> Just like a resistive thing?
[16:29:16] <archivist> capacitive
[16:30:18] <Erant> ah
[16:31:23] <archivist> like in the joint of these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Excel-Genuine-Folding-Digital-Display-Angle-Finder-Steel-Rule-200mm-Like-DAR200-/181852654192
[16:33:01] <archivist> but I think it is more likely that technology will be in the non Z encoders
[16:37:35] <Erant> They're all knockoffs for sure. All of them have different line count.
[16:37:56] <Erant> None of them advertise the actual Omron line count :P
[16:38:22] <archivist> I have one of the real cheap non Z 100 line encoders, seems ok
[16:38:52] <Erant> Oh, I wasn't saying I was going to buy an actual Omron one.
[16:38:58] <Erant> Just that they need to try a little harder.
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[16:44:48] <gregcnc> Is setting up spindle encoder feedback different for a back tool lathe? There is a forum thread talking about it.
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[16:53:49] <zeeshan> you know youre a bit mental
[16:53:59] <zeeshan> when you start using cad to model shipping crates
[16:54:04] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/zCF7u60.png
[16:54:04] <zeeshan> :D
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[16:56:24] <gregcnc> agree, but it's not a serious condition unless you tolerance it.
[16:56:36] <archivist> some sellers are a bit mental
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291659096054
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[16:58:39] <zeeshan> lol
[16:58:46] <zeeshan> archivist: lol
[16:58:52] <zeeshan> archivist: btw i inquired about the vial
[16:58:53] <zeeshan> its 250 usd.
[16:59:38] <archivist> ouch
[17:00:31] <archivist> cheaper to buy a level and take the vial out
[17:00:35] <zeeshan> yes
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[17:08:37] <Tom_itx> another earthquake just now
[17:09:34] <zeeshan> WHERE
[17:09:35] <zeeshan> er
[17:09:36] <zeeshan> caps
[17:09:41] <Tom_itx> 5.4
[17:09:51] <Tom_itx> 9KM SE of pawnee Ok
[17:10:53] <Tom_itx> wait.. that one isn't reported yet
[17:14:30] <CaptHindsight> a Linux IDE for STM32's
http://linuxgizmos.com/st-releases-free-linux-ide-for-its-stm32-mcus/
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[17:14:48] <CaptHindsight> uses Eclipse and I haven't seen the libs yet
[17:15:14] <Duc> afternoon
[17:19:29] <CaptHindsight> $49 Orange PI Plus with 2GB ram
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Orange-Pi-Plus-2-H3-Quad-Core-1-6GHZ-2GB-RAM-4K-Open-source-development-board/1553371_32516755321.html
[17:21:35] <CaptHindsight> what is the current price of an Intel mini-itx with 2GB ddr?
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[17:22:09] <Erant> k, going for the 'Omron' encoder. Just gotta figure out the best way of attaching it to the spindle.
[17:23:10] <Duc> what kind of spindle
[17:24:11] <Erant> It's my Sieg SX1P. So it's an existing integrated thing. But when I opened it up I noticed the back of the main spindle rod has a little hole.
[17:24:26] <Erant> So I just gotta make/turn/mill something to center in that hole.
[17:24:45] <Erant> And then probably some superglue.
[17:24:49] <Duc> then knurl it with a punch a little
[17:24:53] <Duc> hold its perfect
[17:25:06] <Erant> Sure
[17:25:27] <Erant> There's actually three screw holes around the spindle already for some reason.
[17:25:27] <Duc> thats how mine is held into the bridgeport spindle
[17:25:57] <Duc> turn to slip fit then knurled it with a pointed punch
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[17:28:22] <Erant> Hoping to get some better response out of this.
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[17:28:49] <Erant> Currently I can hear the thing bog down on engagement with material, and it takes it a good second and a half to realize it.
[17:29:29] <Duc> what are you looking to use the encoder for
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[17:29:39] <CaptHindsight> I thought that Intel kept the J1800 and 1900 boards under $50
[17:30:33] <Erant> Duc: So I'm wanting to control my spindle with LinuxCNC. Technically I can do that now with just an open-loop spindle 'pot'.
[17:30:54] <Erant> But I think I'd rather have LinuxCNC do the entire control action.
[17:32:09] <Duc> ah
[17:32:43] <Erant> So adding an encoder to the spindle, bypassing the existing speed control and wiring the torque signal to the Mesa.
[17:32:52] <Duc> I use a encoder just to verify my speed and scale are correct
[17:34:08] <Erant> And this gives me the option of doing rigid tapping in the future, if I so choose.
[17:35:07] <Duc> I have yet to use mine for that but one day
[17:35:48] <Erant> Yeah, I have to get special collets, so we'll see.
[17:36:24] <Erant> Maybe if I torque up my drill chuck real tight :P
[17:37:10] <Erant> I'd get #8, #10 collets though. I use those a bunch
[17:40:19] <Duc> I think I used a encoder from automation direct for mine
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[17:42:22] <Tom_itx> 5.1 near Fairview Ok
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[17:46:44] <Erant> Tom_itx: Damn. That's a shaker.
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[17:47:08] <Erant> I live in the Bay Area, and our last one was something like that.
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[17:48:03] <Erant> Duc: I'm taking a chance on some Chinese ones.
[17:48:34] <Erant> They cloned an Omron one
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[17:49:56] <gregcnc> the CUI encoders are capacitve $25. I just installed on om my lathe spindle.
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[17:51:31] <gregcnc> I have the spindle running both ways, but need to set up a spindle meter.
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[17:52:18] <gregcnc> which brings the question are there any ready to go lathe gui?
[17:53:18] <Erant> gregcnc: CUI?
[17:56:14] <gregcnc> http://www.cui.com/catalog/components/encoders $25 for cmos output
[17:57:13] <Erant> Ah.
[17:57:24] <Erant> Yeah, these are going to be a toss-up:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Omron-Rotary-Encoder-E6B2-CWZ6C-1000P-R-E6B2CWZ6C-xhg04-/321818761803
[17:57:38] <Erant> They're 100% fake, just wonder how fake.
[17:58:37] <CaptHindsight> they should be stating back to work next week
[17:58:45] <CaptHindsight> stating/starting
[17:58:55] <Erant> Yep
[17:58:59] <CaptHindsight> for $20 I'd order one to try
[17:59:10] <Erant> Which is what I did
[17:59:24] <Erant> It's just the spindle.
[17:59:25] <gregcnc> wha'ts a real one cost?
[17:59:35] <Erant> $100+?
[18:00:13] <Erant> The cheapest one in the US is $50 shipped, used.
[18:00:57] <Erant> And then there's this crufty one for $60 + shipping:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Omron-E6B2-CWZ6C-Rotary-Incremental-Encoder-T43050-/351652099600
[18:01:20] <Erant> Yeah, they're about $120 new.
[18:01:21] <CaptHindsight> unless Omron makes them in China and these are 4th shift production
[18:01:47] <Erant> Could be, could be. Unlikely.
[18:01:54] <CaptHindsight> sold out the back door, no warranty
[18:02:02] <Erant> China usually just picks a thing to copy and then they do it. A lot.
[18:02:16] <CaptHindsight> they might also be right from Omron but sold to a high volume user
[18:02:24] <Erant> I have a VC99 for example
[18:02:25] <Erant> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VC99-Auto-Range-DMM-AC-DC-Voltmeter-Capacitance-Resistance-Digital-Multimeter-/180933198869
[18:02:33] <Erant> See any resemblance to a certain well-known brand?
[18:02:38] <CaptHindsight> that how we get lots of parts at the 1 million piece price + 1-2%
[18:02:57] <gregcnc> how does that seller keep track of the fake and real ones, some are 200+USD?
[18:03:43] <CaptHindsight> looks like a genuine HungShort
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[18:08:45] <Erant> Ordered. I'll let y'all know if it works.
[18:09:24] <Erant> Now I just need to find a little graphical LCD to fit where the old one used to go...
[18:09:35] <Erant> Because I like overdoing things.
[18:10:03] <Erant> Might design a new face plate...
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[18:18:08] <Sync> Erant: I'm actually not too positive on them being fake
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[18:18:29] <Sync> I mean, they are 1000 line encoders, that stuff must be cheap to make now
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[18:21:23] <Duc_mobile> really cheap
[18:24:42] <zeeshan> a lot of omron stuff seems to be made in china
[18:24:47] <zeeshan> just like any other company :P
[18:25:34] <Erant> We'll see.
[18:25:41] <Erant> I can probably tell from the label.
[18:25:58] <zeeshan> carrier moved their plant to mexio
[18:26:00] <zeeshan> lol
[18:26:38] <Erant> Mexico and Brazil are the new places.
[18:26:44] <Erant> Foxconn has a factory in Brazil now.
[18:26:57] <zeeshan> let someone else do the shitty work :)
[18:27:11] <zeeshan> economics 101
[18:27:13] <Erant> ;)
[18:27:16] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: they wanted to keep the same people who were making the units so they moved to mexico :p
[18:27:28] <zeeshan> lol capt
[18:27:48] <zeeshan> i just take all this news as
[18:28:07] <zeeshan> "if you have skills someone whos cheaper has, they will win"
[18:28:43] <CaptHindsight> true, if you keep on rewarding selfish people
[18:28:51] <zeeshan> it boggles my mind that some of these workers who are responsible for mindless work
[18:28:53] <zeeshan> get paid so much
[18:28:59] <CaptHindsight> it's not rocket science
[18:29:08] <CaptHindsight> and these aren't laws of nature
[18:29:20] <zeeshan> they kinda care
[18:29:22] <zeeshan> *are
[18:29:25] <zeeshan> the fittest win
[18:29:36] <zeeshan> otherwise we'd still be monkeys :)
[18:29:41] <zeeshan> in my case i still am .. hairy hands
[18:29:42] <zeeshan> :[
[18:30:14] <CaptHindsight> it's attitude, not physical laws
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[18:31:04] <CaptHindsight> some people don't know the difference
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[18:34:59] <zeeshan> as ignorant as my comment is about to be
[18:35:07] <zeeshan> i won't be buying carrier products :)
[18:35:27] <zeeshan> cause they make shitty a/c's!
[18:39:49] <yasnak> Our AC units tend to double as mist collectors
[18:40:12] <yasnak> Feel the pain of the HVAC guys every month when they do maintence, we swap filters weekly
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[18:46:32] <witnit> yasnak: like yasnac the robot controller or a different reference?
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[18:48:06] <yasnak> ;)
[18:48:09] <yasnak> yes
[18:48:15] <yasnak> or yaskawa's old controller
[18:48:46] <witnit> I just hooked mine up to my mesa card :)
[18:48:54] <CaptHindsight> I only buy AC units that are certified organic
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[18:50:06] <yasnak> we still have their old yaskawa siemens controls on our swiss
[18:50:08] <gregcnc> capthindsight i have to endure an afternoon of those kind of people today
[18:50:17] <yasnak> takes a different kind of "i hate life" to use them :P
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[18:53:23] <witnit> Im pretty sure with the comminications manual and a handful of wire you can pass anything you want to the controller with something like a 5i25
[18:53:58] <yasnak> we've got the good old 830D
[18:54:29] <witnit> im not familiar enough with them, I just got the one machine yasnac ERC, K10S
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[18:59:42] <witnit> yasnak:
http://galvanist.com/post/99533576291/giving-your-ancient-robot-arm-a-storage-upgrade
[19:00:19] <witnit> This worked well for me
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[19:03:22] <yasnak> ill take a look at it in a bit
[19:03:40] <yasnak> having issues with WSUS on the server, afraid i may have fubar'd it
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[19:19:35] * skunkworks currently is working on replacing the yasnak conttrol
[19:22:34] <PetefromTn_> Well so far I got the upstairs latrine fixed, the outlet in the bathroom replaced with a nice new fancy paddle three way one and put GFCI's everywhere there is a sink, now onto the replacing any missing or cracked outlet covers and installing the overflow safety on the hot water heater... Then after lunch it is back onto working on the new kitchen cabinet doors!! ;) I am tired just typing that
[19:24:24] <PetefromTn_> Wish I was working on the CNC lathe instead of all of this SHTUFF!!
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[19:39:53] <witnit> skunkworks: which controller?
[19:40:06] <Deejay> mojn
[19:40:11] <witnit> Moin!
[19:40:20] <Deejay> ha! :-)
[19:40:23] <witnit> :)
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[19:47:23] <PetefromTn_> http://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/motorsport/watch-this-mclaren-650s-gt3-break-the-lap-record-at-bathurst/ar-BBprrow?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignout Man that is an insane lap..
[19:48:02] <witnit> PetefromTn_: that doesnt look like cabinet doors
[19:50:24] <skunkworks> mx1
[19:50:47] <skunkworks> i think
[19:51:14] <PetefromTn_> witnit I know man I needed to take a break
[19:51:35] <PetefromTn_> can you believe those curves on that track? Uphill downhill balls out racing... INSANE!!
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[19:52:17] <PetefromTn_> I thought the Chicane at Laguna was steep and twisted
[19:52:44] <witnit> are you doing your own kinematics and software or just passing commands so you can still use the old pendant for programming the circles, linear, weaving ect
[19:53:21] <witnit> PetefromTn_: i think i payed more attention to the buttons on the steering wheel than the track. that cockpit is so nice
[19:54:00] <PetefromTn_> well yeah....McClaren!
[19:55:31] <skunkworks> me?
[19:55:43] <skunkworks> it is on a matsurra 3 axis machine
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[19:56:57] <skunkworks> I do have a puma arm that is on the 20 year plan
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[19:58:33] <Jymmm> skunkworks: 20 years till it turns into a pile of rust powder?
[19:59:15] <skunkworks> aluminum'
[19:59:23] <XXCoder> restore one pary a month?
[19:59:24] <XXCoder> part
[19:59:40] <XXCoder> alum do rust ya know
[20:00:31] <skunkworks> it is not high on the priority list
[20:00:46] <PetefromTn_> http://ringbrothers.com/1971_pantera_adrnln WOW
[20:03:26] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: you'll soon be basking in sunny Florida
[20:03:40] <PetefromTn_> hopefully anyway
[20:03:55] <CaptHindsight> at least they didn't ask you to shingle the roof or something tedious
[20:04:08] <PetefromTn_> well I gotta finish the kitchen cabinets
[20:04:22] <PetefromTn_> and finish tiling the floor in the downstairs bathroom/laundry room
[20:04:30] <PetefromTn_> get it grouted etc.
[20:04:50] <PetefromTn_> I gotta install all the base trim and door trim we removed to fix dents and dings
[20:05:04] <PetefromTn_> and a small laundry list of small items like this mornings stuff
[20:05:15] <CaptHindsight> tile cutting can get a bit messy but still pretty simple for a small room
[20:05:34] <CaptHindsight> in a few days you'll be done
[20:05:42] <PetefromTn_> actually I mostly have it all cut when I had the tile saw
[20:05:53] <PetefromTn_> just gotta stick it down now
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[20:23:17] <aventtini6> hello agen
[20:23:19] <aventtini6> guys
[20:23:21] <aventtini6> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IPrGa3AAUo
[20:23:46] <aventtini6> i tested and tested whit no success
[20:23:54] <aventtini6> whats so ever on 2.7
[20:24:14] <aventtini6> can imagin whats wrong
[20:25:06] <aventtini6> i test te machine on DAC
[20:25:11] <aventtini6> it works perfect
[20:25:22] <aventtini6> encoder scale
[20:25:34] <aventtini6> pwm Volts
[20:26:16] <aventtini6> all its ok
[20:26:45] <aventtini6> when i start linuxcnc whit minimum settigs machine gos wild
[20:27:16] <CaptHindsight> goes wild = what exactly?
[20:27:34] <aventtini6> i give + 1mm
[20:27:43] <aventtini6> it gos 10 20
[20:28:17] <aventtini6> i mesure with gaudge scale is corect on the encoder
[20:28:41] <aventtini6> then scale on the pwm is 10v on a scale of 10
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[20:29:02] <CaptHindsight> the machine moves 10 - 20 or the position on the screen changes by 10-20?
[20:29:39] <aventtini6> no on the dro and also on gaudge
[20:30:47] <aventtini6> i test the speed and acc
[20:30:49] <aventtini6> same shit
[20:30:58] <CaptHindsight> what happens when you just run a SIM?
[20:31:11] <CaptHindsight> are you using steppers?
[20:31:15] <aventtini6> servo
[20:31:36] <CaptHindsight> servos need tuning
[20:31:43] <aventtini6> :)))
[20:31:50] <aventtini6> sure the need
[20:31:56] <aventtini6> thats the ugly part
[20:32:07] <aventtini6> i cant tune and i dont know whiy
[20:32:09] <aventtini6> why
[20:32:44] <CaptHindsight> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/servo.html
[20:33:22] <aventtini6> i have done 6 machine whit 2.6
[20:33:27] <aventtini6> no problem
[20:34:02] <aventtini6> i have done this alot
[20:34:06] <CaptHindsight> so where are you stuck? at what exact point of the servo tuning?
[20:34:06] <aventtini6> but not whit 2.7
[20:34:20] <aventtini6> i no stuck
[20:34:25] <aventtini6> it cant tune
[20:34:39] <aventtini6> i made the P to 800000
[20:34:46] <aventtini6> no oscilation
[20:35:19] <aventtini6> the only way that machine is moving as my settings is if i put the FF0 to 1
[20:36:19] <CaptHindsight> have you gone through the first steps and manually moved the encoders a known amount to see if the SCALE is set properly?
[20:36:21] <witnit> aventtini6: like your output scale?
[20:36:25] <aventtini6> yes
[20:36:34] <aventtini6> yes i mesure 10v
[20:36:49] <aventtini6> dac is 1 , mesure is 1
[20:37:00] <witnit> can we see your ini?
[20:37:18] <aventtini6> its on youtube
[20:37:24] <aventtini6> sorry i home
[20:37:31] <aventtini6> my head give up
[20:37:57] <CaptHindsight> I miss the simplest of things at times when I'm tired
[20:38:18] <CaptHindsight> post your configs when you get a chance
[20:38:28] <aventtini6> me to but not on 3 machines
[20:38:37] <aventtini6> and 2.6 works perfect
[20:38:38] <CaptHindsight> it's like proof reading your own writing
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[20:38:58] <aventtini6> wiring is perfect
[20:39:22] <CaptHindsight> maybe
[20:39:38] <witnit> well regardless of your scale if I understand correctly even if your motor is tuned poorly nothing should lose rate of travel per encoder reading
[20:39:41] <aventtini6> 100%
[20:39:58] <aventtini6> yes
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[20:40:14] <aventtini6> but whit if i give 1 mm it gos 20 30 mm
[20:40:15] <witnit> so manually if you move your axis it is losing accuracy
[20:40:24] <CaptHindsight> we can probably rule out a curse, magic, gremlins etc
[20:40:40] <aventtini6> no its not about accuracy
[20:40:50] <aventtini6> its like a delay
[20:41:02] <witnit> okay so if you manually rotate your motor/encoder to 1 mm it still reads 1mm on screen?
[20:41:08] <aventtini6> see in the video how is the machine moving on test DAC
[20:41:13] <aventtini6> yes
[20:41:37] <CaptHindsight> I was motion sick 1 minute into it
[20:41:50] <aventtini6> yes
[20:41:52] <aventtini6> sorry
[20:41:58] <aventtini6> i was verry furrios
[20:42:00] <aventtini6> :)))
[20:42:03] <CaptHindsight> what time is it at?
[20:43:16] <aventtini6> 5.22
[20:44:30] <aventtini6> it moves like a charm
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[20:44:59] <witnit> aventtini6: if I am reading your screen correctly you moved the axis in the + direction and the axis jumped to a - direction
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[20:45:54] <aventtini6> i have also tested that problem to
[20:46:34] <aventtini6> encoders are liniar HH
[20:46:59] <aventtini6> i have tested whit -1000
[20:47:07] <aventtini6> same result
[20:47:23] <aventtini6> maybe is a torque drive?
[20:47:39] <aventtini6> why its working on 2.6
[20:48:01] <witnit> aventtini6: you have jacked your ferror way up and then flopped your encoder A/B signals (just a guess!)
[20:48:11] <aventtini6> yes
[20:48:15] <aventtini6> 50mm
[20:48:23] <aventtini6> on
[20:48:31] <aventtini6> just to test the movment
[20:48:35] <witnit> what happens when you flop your encoder signals?
[20:48:46] <aventtini6> change the channels ?
[20:48:50] <aventtini6> o mean ?
[20:48:58] <aventtini6> you mean ?
[20:49:23] <witnit> just the encoder signal wires A and B
[20:49:34] <aventtini6> that i did not test
[20:49:47] <witnit> I would suspect your A and B are backwards
[20:50:02] <aventtini6> but why it works on 2.6 and DAC?
[20:50:07] <pcw_home> There are no significant differences between 2.6 and 2.7
[20:50:32] <aventtini6> drives are bosch tacho drive
[20:50:34] <pcw_home> you should use your 2.6 config files on the 2.7 version
[20:50:53] <pcw_home> (if they worked)
[20:51:08] <aventtini6> i working for 6 months
[20:51:14] <aventtini6> whit 2.6
[20:51:27] <aventtini6> pcw there is any 6i25
[20:51:31] <pcw_home> There is no difference
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[20:52:05] <pcw_home> I'll bet you have changed you config files.
[20:52:15] <aventtini6> for example the 2.6 has ff0=0 and P=2
[20:52:22] <aventtini6> no
[20:52:29] <aventtini6> fresh install
[20:52:35] <pcw_home> THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE
[20:52:48] <pcw_home> use your old config files
[20:53:23] <aventtini6> i will test in the morning
[20:53:39] <aventtini6> drives has a 5v sw and a 10sw
[20:53:51] <witnit> is this a new build altogether or did you simply just install a 2.7 on a machine which used to work?
[20:54:11] <aventtini6> its a machine that worked
[20:54:40] <witnit> then you should be able to do as PCW has said, simply copy over your config files from 2.6
[20:54:44] <aventtini6> pcw
[20:54:58] <aventtini6> why its working on DAC test mode?
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[20:55:53] <aventtini6> see video on 1.22
[20:56:06] <aventtini6> minute
[21:00:37] <aventtini6> all the ideea is cmomming that the scale of pwm is now right
[21:01:31] <aventtini6> if the encoder scale is ok then 1 mm and it give 20m or more it means the SW is large scale
[21:01:36] <witnit> It seems you may want to learn why your voltage is forcing the motor in a negative direction when you press the + button.
[21:02:23] <aventtini6> its possible you are right
[21:02:33] <aventtini6> if the channels are wrong
[21:02:38] <aventtini6> on the board
[21:02:51] <witnit> well it cannot be wrong if this system used to work
[21:03:18] <witnit> the only way it would be wrong is if your hardware differs or your config files (as far as i know)
[21:04:13] <aventtini6> i did see on the DAC now
[21:04:33] <aventtini6> i press + and it shows - on encoder count
[21:04:55] <witnit> maybe your old config files had something like a -10 output scale and you forgot you adjusted it?
[21:05:03] <aventtini6> it works on dac because is a open loop right
[21:05:10] <aventtini6> no
[21:05:14] <aventtini6> this must bee
[21:05:30] <aventtini6> but why it dont make a runway
[21:05:41] <aventtini6> sw is - encoder is +
[21:05:48] <aventtini6> it must make a runnay
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[21:09:34] <witnit> Its hard to say without comparing your old configs with your new ones
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[21:11:20] <aventtini6> hmmm
[21:12:50] <aventtini6> im right about the DAC test mode
[21:12:55] <aventtini6> its a open loop
[21:13:25] <aventtini6> that is good explain why its this working
[21:15:31] <aventtini6> aaaa
[21:15:37] <aventtini6> good point
[21:15:39] <aventtini6> your the man
[21:16:10] <aventtini6> when i give it 1 mm it drifts the ff eror to 22mm or more
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[21:20:52] <aventtini6> has anyone seen drive with 5v SW?
[21:20:59] <aventtini6> and 10V?
[21:21:08] <pcw_home> You should have just used your old configs (and no changes to the hardware/wiring)
[21:21:09] <pcw_home> anything else makes a lot of work
[21:21:23] <aventtini6> yes thats the fun part
[21:21:24] <aventtini6> :D
[21:21:47] <aventtini6> first i use my head to solve the problem
[21:21:59] <aventtini6> then i take the simple way
[21:22:17] <aventtini6> this is the way i have learn linuxcnc
[21:22:31] <aventtini6> whit 2.6 i can retorfit the all machine in 2 days max
[21:22:59] <aventtini6> but because of the traj im lost a lot of time on milling
[21:23:15] <aventtini6> because it brakes on corners
[21:23:43] <aventtini6> i have got a itx i dont know the exact model from junckyard
[21:24:04] <aventtini6> and im getting latecny no more then 3000
[21:24:49] <aventtini6> and the machine moves like a raket
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[21:25:15] <aventtini6> more then 14000 on a dell pc i did not get a good retorfit
[21:25:58] <pcw_home> unless you are using software stepping, latency is relatively unimportant
[21:27:03] <aventtini6> yes
[21:27:09] <pcw_home> 14000 is fine (even 250000 = 0.25 ms is probably OK with the right setup )
[21:27:37] <aventtini6> why do you produce the 6i25
[21:28:10] <aventtini6> i mean as technical diff
[21:28:17] <aventtini6> on a 5i25
[21:28:42] <pcw_home> because some Motherboards dont have PCI slots
[21:29:23] <pcw_home> ( and just have PCIE )
[21:30:09] <boboss-> What is the function of the enable on the Driver?
[21:30:14] <aventtini6> it only a pci to pci express differance
[21:30:23] <aventtini6> machine on
[21:30:30] <aventtini6> plus a 3 way relay
[21:31:00] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:32:14] <aventtini6> what the differance on machine on and enable ?
[21:32:38] <aventtini6> i need to use a pin on enable insted on machine on?
[21:34:47] <aventtini6> i was so tierd i did no see the encoder
[21:35:00] <aventtini6> is on - and command is on +
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[21:37:36] <ve7it> cradek, you around?
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[21:49:17] <ve7it> cradek, I remember some chatter about some of the previous iso mages not using PAE. Turns out I have a machine that doesnt support PAE
[21:51:42] <ve7it> cradek, and I need an iso image for it. All the distros since Ubuntu 10.04 have PAE turned on.... I did get one of the old original emc2 10.04 isos to run fine, but I think there was something
[21:53:10] <ve7it> cradek, possibly the linuxcnc 2.6 iso release that everyone thought had PAE tuned on and it didnt. Any ideas?
[21:55:36] <aventtini6> pcw i has a question of logics that i dot have a clear image . SW is + - encoder has AA+ 5v BB-- and encoder scale -1000
[21:56:28] <aventtini6> if i revers the AA BB
[21:57:13] <aventtini6> its a differance on the encoder scale -1000
[22:06:36] <pcw_home> if you reverse A/B you would need to reverse the encoder scale to keep things the way they were
[22:09:28] <pcw_home> normally for servo setup you do things in this order:
[22:09:29] <pcw_home> Get DRO reading right with encoder scale (scale and direction correct)
[22:09:31] <pcw_home> check if feedback is correct (holds position and doesn't run away)
[22:09:32] <pcw_home> if not, reverse output scale
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[22:32:37] <aventtini6> 10x
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[23:44:45] <_methods> hahah just got back from watching deadpool
[23:44:48] <_methods> movie was hilarious
[23:46:04] <witnit> if betty white gave it her approval im game
[23:46:46] <_methods> i haven't laughed that much at comedies that are supposed to be funny
[23:47:05] <_methods> it was just pretty much constant smart ass wisecracks
[23:47:06] <witnit> thats the secret to a good comedy ;)
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[23:47:48] <_methods> well they nailed it on this one
[23:47:57] <XXCoder> _methods: yeah comedies dont seem to remember how to be funny
[23:48:03] <XXCoder> in least, not without wisecracks
[23:48:13] <pink_vampire> morning
[23:48:43] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[23:49:02] <XXCoder> whew spent hours building statue and its not done. ordering more parts lol
[23:49:20] <XXCoder> thats risk of modification of design from orginial
[23:50:24] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: what do you mean?
[23:50:36] <XXCoder> oh sorry was wrong channel lol
[23:50:39] <XXCoder> its a lego statue
[23:50:49] <XXCoder> http://alpha.bricklink.com/pages/clone/catalogitem.page?S=3724-1#T=P
[23:52:18] <DaViruz> there's a lego channel?
[23:52:26] <chris_99> someone should make a CNC lego assembly device ;)
[23:52:27] <pink_vampire> where??
[23:52:39] <XXCoder> DaViruz: not on this irc server
[23:52:44] <DaViruz> oh.
[23:53:00] <XXCoder> I use single client for total of 4 irc server connections though
[23:53:04] <XXCoder> just forgot to switch
[23:53:15] <XXCoder> chris_99: someone did
[23:53:17] <DaViruz> considering having kids just to be able to legitimately play with legos again!
[23:53:17] <XXCoder> out of lego.
[23:53:30] <pink_vampire> I'm stuck with coding.
[23:53:34] <XXCoder> chris_99: lego cnc that build lego
[23:53:42] <chris_99> oooh will have to find that
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[23:53:44] <XXCoder> heck someone made a lego lathe
[23:53:52] <XXCoder> though it dont mill lego abs LOL
[23:54:15] <XXCoder> DaViruz: I dont have kids. dont care. lol
[23:54:31] <chris_99> do you mean, it 'cut' lego shapes out of plastic, or.. that it somehow spewed out bricks and assembled them
[23:54:36] <DaViruz> me neither, on both counts really :)
[23:54:49] <Lowridah> any of you guys see this super ghetto 4th axis mod for routers
[23:54:50] <Lowridah> http://www.cncsharktalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1521
[23:54:53] <XXCoder> chris_99: in case of lathe, it cuts foam. there is machine that builds though
[23:55:07] <pink_vampire> I think for just work with the regular bricks, it shuld be easy..
[23:55:17] <Lowridah> def one of those 'now why didn't i think of that' things
[23:55:31] <XXCoder> Lowridah: lol that is weird
[23:55:35] <XXCoder> working though
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[23:55:49] <XXCoder> fairly loose and not very precise but hey for some uses its just fine.
[23:55:53] <pink_vampire> WTF is that.
[23:56:09] <Lowridah> i wouldn't do it myself but it's pretty neat
[23:56:45] <XXCoder> chris_99: lego mill lol missed that one
http://www.makermasters.com/diy-lego-3d-cnc-milling-machine
[23:57:09] <chris_99> hehe
[23:58:08] <DaViruz> reminds me of the plotter lego offered way back
[23:58:26] <DaViruz> http://smg.photobucket.com/user/alexisbad/media/8094.jpg.html
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[23:59:27] <chris_99> haha this is exactly what i was thinking of -
http://www.wired.com/2010/10/legobot/ (sort of a lego printer)
[23:59:59] <XXCoder> lol yep
