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[00:01:09] <DaViruz> that's pretty strange
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[00:02:44] <andypugh> DaViruz: It’s a spoof of the football comics of my youth.
[00:03:40] <andypugh> Bizarrely it isn’t that far away from them. Apart fromone of the players being a woman of course, that would have been unthinkable.
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[00:06:04] <FloppyDisk> The skiclub looks nice! Fun.
[00:07:42] <andypugh> Skiclub GB is quite an august body, been going 100 years.
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[00:10:24] <DaViruz> now i'll be styck watching skiing videos all night
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[01:05:42] <minibnz> dont you love it when you find hidden features.. was thinking about adding a adjustable stop to the tilting function of the vise so i could find zero easier.. only to find the vise already has one :)
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[01:08:12] <minibnz> the small fly cutter seems to have enough power to push my vise off level.. i have tightened it up more this time and about to try fly cutting some bits of plastic...
[01:08:56] <minibnz> last time i did this it wasnt until i skimmed all 4 surfaces and drilled holes did i notice it was off.. was rather annoyed..
[01:09:16] <minibnz> the way i drilled the holes meant they all ended up pointing in different directions
[01:10:15] <Tom_itx> zeeshan we had a test quiz using formulas to day
[01:11:17] <zeeshan> :D
[01:11:18] <zeeshan> nice
[01:11:27] <Tom_itx> see if you can do it in SW
[01:11:46] <andypugh> minibnz: I am surprised that the vice moves when cutting plastic
[01:12:48] <minibnz> it mighth have actually moved when i tested with a chunk of aluminium right before i started on the plastic.. learnt the lesson there check and recheck it dont take long..
[01:13:08] <Tom_itx> zeeshan after i did it, i put a simulation on A between 1-4"
[01:13:16] <zeeshan> what am i looking at tom
[01:13:23] <Tom_itx> the quiz
[01:13:30] <zeeshan> i see a parametric model
[01:13:35] <Tom_itx> all the formulas need to be in place
[01:13:42] <Tom_itx> i'll give you the paramters
[01:15:34] <Tom_itx> the formula for the square is the dimension below it
[01:17:15] <zeeshan> you gave me a bunch of parameters
[01:17:17] <zeeshan> that define the sketch? :P
[01:17:23] <Tom_itx> yes
[01:17:47] <Tom_itx> label all the pieces as you see them and make it look exactly like the model
[01:17:57] <Tom_itx> sw will vary with it's labeling i suppose
[01:18:01] <zeeshan> why
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[01:18:07] <zeeshan> its a parametric model :P
[01:18:12] <Tom_itx> yeah
[01:18:18] <zeeshan> thats how i normally make models?!?
[01:18:20] <Tom_itx> that's all we did today
[01:18:31] <Tom_itx> then sat around and BS
[01:18:34] <zeeshan> lol
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[01:19:23] <gregcnc> models of involute gears using formula are fun
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[01:23:40] <andypugh> Autodesk Inventor just does it, I did once do nearly-gears parametrically, but the built-in tool is better. it does profile-shifts for example.
[01:24:34] <andypugh> All the gears I have made to sell have been shifted, because of what they were.
[01:24:54] <gregcnc> that's convenient. I haven't added shifting to my model yet
[01:25:36] <gregcnc> but I won't be using the model to cut gears anyway
[01:26:36] <andypugh> As it happens, I don’t _need_ the model, I hob my gears. I just use the OD and depth and span across N-teeth data for jobs like: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/NerACar#6221244994687950658
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[01:27:44] <andypugh> I shipped that to Australia based on rather vague measurements and not seeing the machine, and aparently it fitted perfectly :-)
[01:28:47] <andypugh> You can see that there is quite a shift there, the teeth are not at all the same shape
[01:29:13] <zeeshan> i usually just get mine laser cut
[01:29:15] <zeeshan> and machine the hub down
[01:29:18] <zeeshan> its so cheap
[01:29:31] <zeeshan> i'd like to make helical gears =/
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[01:29:44] <malcom2073> Helicals would be pretty sweet to make
[01:30:04] <malcom2073> That's something I should youtube or
[01:30:04] <PetefromTn_> hey folks
[01:30:07] <malcom2073> for*
[01:30:11] <malcom2073> Hey PetefromTn_! How goes the move?
[01:30:21] <PetefromTn_> well it's goin ;)
[01:30:32] <andypugh> I want to make an extreme helical for a spindle encoder drive: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6225576423109512802
[01:30:42] <andypugh> Thats a 1:1 ratio
[01:30:52] <PetefromTn_> today I finished the CNC milling I had to do and went to Lowes and bought a bunch of stuff for the upgrades I need to make in our sales agreement...
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[01:31:25] <PetefromTn_> Tomorrow getting started on that stuff and this weekend will be a big work fest around here LOL
[01:31:36] <malcom2073> Nice
[01:32:31] <gregcnc> I want to write a macro to generate gears on a 4th, like the sandvik videos show, but Mod0.5
[01:32:40] <andypugh> It is a lot like a speedometer cable drive, in fact there might be an existing part out there.
[01:33:05] <andypugh> gregcnc: Why not hob them?
[01:33:20] <gregcnc> I have high speed spindle
[01:33:33] <andypugh> Hob fast :-)
[01:33:51] <gregcnc> the 4th doesn't run that fast or I'd try :)
[01:34:04] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L18a_wfaRBE
[01:34:32] <andypugh> Have you done the calcs for mod0.5? You might be surprised how slow the balnk moves
[01:35:08] <andypugh> Pah, that’s an involute cutter! Ghastly things
[01:35:55] <gregcnc> right but the setup should be the same, you just have software gearing sindle-> 4th
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[01:36:20] <andypugh> gregcnc: Have you seen my version?
[01:36:26] <minibnz> dang the vise moved again...
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[01:36:42] <gregcnc> I think so.
[01:37:03] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhICrb0Tbn4
[01:37:21] <minibnz> 0.3' i think the only way i am going to get around this is by milling from the other direction so the force is against the fixed jay of the vise then the force will be against the stop screw not just the dovetail clamp
[01:37:41] <minibnz> the only problem with that is the swarfe gets thrown in my face :(
[01:37:57] <minibnz> have to close the door and use gcode to push the job around
[01:38:54] <minibnz> and the pass was not that big of a cut.. it was only 0.5mm deep at about 1000rpm
[01:39:23] <minibnz> feed speed of about 30mm/min
[01:40:34] <gregcnc> my interwebs are so slow today
[01:41:00] <minibnz> the cutter is about 35mm wide it was a narrow as i could set it while keeping some clearance betweent he job and arbor
[01:43:17] <gregcnc> andypugh you just need to tilt your A to the helix angle?
[01:43:28] <andypugh> Yes
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[01:45:20] <gregcnc> I saw a sunderland gear planer on youtube recently. Didn't know such machines existed.
[01:45:58] <andypugh> Though with a different geometry, you can do it with compound moves. I now make gears using the same principle but a different machine with a swigning table: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTHY5U8v-U
[01:46:55] <andypugh> In theory you could swing the 4th axis on the table and move the table at the helix angle.
[01:48:16] <malcom2073> Lol that hob aint tiny
[01:49:05] <andypugh> No, another eBay surprise
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[01:51:45] <andypugh> Anyway, time to leave
[01:52:06] <gregcnc> take care
[01:52:18] <andypugh> Back in 10 days. Skiing in the interim. If I am not back, it went wrong. :-)
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[02:01:19] <minibnz> just saw a video of andypugh's tool changer idea.. i think i like this one better than my idead of a platter that has a ecentric track that pushes out the next tool as it rotates
[02:01:29] <minibnz> his is on a arm from the post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfZwpjUs1xI
[02:02:12] <Crom> ugh just got my mt2-jt33 arbor in and found out I need a mt2-jt2 arbor grrrr
[02:06:03] <zeeshan> lol
[02:06:06] <zeeshan> didnt measure?
[02:06:36] <_methods> i hate that
[02:06:52] <_methods> i bought a set of mt3 centers and found out i needed mt2
[02:06:53] <_methods> doh
[02:07:08] <_methods> oh well now i have a set of mt3 centers for the spindle lol
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[02:10:57] <gregcnc> Anyone know if these supplies are any good? German Made can't be that bad? http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/2904376/277-10207-ND/5253179
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[02:15:08] <roh> gregcnc: you had issues with some psu?
[02:16:11] <gregcnc> I used some lucent and a meanwell that haven't been reliable
[02:16:41] <jdh> did they cost 30% as much?
[02:16:42] <gregcnc> that phoenix uno 150 is tiny and cheap
[02:17:16] <gregcnc> it cost no more than a rhino or meanwell.
[02:17:17] <PetefromTn_> jeez we are supposed to be gettin some snow and a BUNCH of cold here this weekend and into next week... SIGH
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[02:34:25] <jdh> here too :(
[02:47:08] <minibnz> i hate the snow.. its so cold... the first time i went hunting in the state forrest at sunny cornner solo i had mates sending me pictures of it snowing less than 3ks from where i was camped. the first night i camped beside a decent sized and flowing creek oinly to wake at 4am to find the creek was nearly solid.. it was damn cold but once you start roaming the hills with a shotgun and rifle on your back you get warm.. mostly now i avoid t
[02:47:08] <minibnz> he cold times as the rabbits dont like the cold either...
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[02:47:49] <Jymmm> my 9ft ss jacketed k-probes arrived =)
[02:49:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am pretty well over the cold anymore but of course you guys already know that ;)
[02:57:47] <Erant> gregcnc: http://www.galco.com/shop/Acme-Electric-Switching-Power-Supplies
[02:58:02] <Erant> These seem to be serving me reasonably well
[02:58:27] <Erant> And some of them are absurdly cheap. They've been on clearance for like 6 months now too.
[02:58:31] <PetefromTn_> I like Galco... perhaps it was the chocolat bars?
[02:58:46] <Erant> Mine, the 480W 36VDC ones, were $15 a pop.
[02:58:50] <Erant> Which is absurd.
[02:59:10] <PetefromTn_> last time I got the two sided hobby screwdriver kinda bummed me out I was looking forward to the Chocolate bar :D
[02:59:18] <Erant> Actually, I say were: http://www.galco.com/buy/Acme-Electric/DM1-3613
[02:59:20] <Erant> They still are
[02:59:30] <Erant> PetefromTn_: Aww, I didn't get a chocolate bar :(
[02:59:39] <Erant> And chocolate's my crack.
[03:00:27] <PetefromTn_> did you get the little screwdriver?
[03:00:41] <PetefromTn_> I actually have two of them laying around here somewhere
[03:00:46] <Erant> Think I got a ruler.
[03:00:51] <PetefromTn_> baah
[03:01:10] <PetefromTn_> we're gonna have to have a chat with the folks at galco
[03:01:14] <Erant> ;)
[03:01:22] <PetefromTn_> that damn chocolate bar was good too...
[03:01:43] <Erant> gregcnc: I'm not saying they're great, I haven't measured them for ripple on an oscope or anything, but they seem to power my servos just fine.
[03:02:05] <minibnz> in the wrong business :) chocolate where's the moneys at..
[03:03:00] <PetefromTn_> you can CNC your own Chocolate molds!
[03:03:52] <jfindley> PetefromTn_: Yep. Big money there, especially chocolate meme molds
[03:04:09] <PetefromTn_> meme molds?
[03:04:23] <jfindley> yeah, angry cat, banana for scale, stupid internet meme things
[03:04:27] <CaptHindsight> the problem is making molds on demand for same day chocolates
[03:04:39] <CaptHindsight> or custom chocolates while you wait
[03:05:04] <minibnz> i got two unbranded PSU's from ebay for $36each 5v 60amps for my laser so far i have not seen any problems with them the voltage regulation is pretty good. 0.05% (so 0.025v ripple) when i am hammering pwm out at 30+amps into two diodes per psu. have them staggered so they are not both on at the same time. helps with pulsing of my crystal too.. :)
[03:05:23] <CaptHindsight> but if it's not a rush then it's no big deal
[03:05:41] <PetefromTn_> everyone and everything is in a rush nowadays
[03:05:51] <Erant> Foodsafe plastic would mean you can mill them pretty quick
[03:06:05] <Erant> In fact... Hmm
[03:06:17] <minibnz> would you not be better just 3d printing then vacum forming?
[03:06:22] <CaptHindsight> PP and HDPE
[03:06:31] <Erant> I might try that, I have some foodsafe HDPE. Wonder if I could just cast chocolate in that.
[03:06:44] <Erant> minibnz: Ugh, all the ripples from 3D printing?
[03:06:44] <minibnz> that would be pretty quick on a good printer these days and the accuracy wont really matter once ou vac form a mold
[03:07:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah who wants a hairy chocolate bar :D
[03:07:26] <Erant> I dunno, even my little mill RIPS through HDPE. I bet I can beat a 3D printer by quite a bit.
[03:07:44] <minibnz> 3d printed objects are not foodsafe.. unless maybe if you use them instantly in a clean enviroment
[03:08:20] <PetefromTn_> I would enjoy 3d milling a chocolate mold in my Cinci methinks
[03:08:21] <minibnz> how flexible is hdpe would you still need to vac form after milling?
[03:08:22] <CaptHindsight> Erant: by 3d printer do you mean a FDM printer?
[03:08:40] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Sorry, I should've been specific. Yes. SLA would probably do much better.
[03:09:11] <minibnz> absolutely they are way faster and have a better resolution akin to bubble jet vs laser.
[03:09:33] <Erant> PetefromTn_: Hah. That would be adorable.
[03:09:51] <jdh> with flood coolant
[03:10:08] <PetefromTn_> adorable?
[03:10:14] <minibnz> depends on the size of the molds to be made it could be qiute good.
[03:10:59] <minibnz> you could probably do next day shipping.. ie you put them in the post/courier the next day..
[03:11:01] <Erant> PetefromTn_: Maybe not the right word... Not sure what that would be.
[03:11:13] <minibnz> depending on volume and time of order
[03:11:16] <Erant> The problem's the design.
[03:11:23] <PetefromTn_> how about wicked cool... LOL
[03:11:33] <Erant> "I want this 2D picture turned into a 3D thing."
[03:11:37] <PetefromTn_> or chocolichious?
[03:11:44] <PetefromTn_> shious?
[03:11:48] <PetefromTn_> shus?
[03:11:58] <PetefromTn_> aw hell screw it
[03:12:01] <minibnz> yeah i fyou were to do eggs you could make a eggbot that extrudes embossing on the outside of a standard egg form..
[03:12:20] <Erant> minibnz: That exists.
[03:12:21] <Erant> Sec
[03:12:32] <Erant> http://egg-bot.com
[03:12:43] <minibnz> yeah but it only draws on a shell not extrude chocolate onto a chocolate egg..
[03:12:52] <Erant> True.
[03:12:56] <Erant> But it could.
[03:13:04] <minibnz> add a paste extruder and you are nearly done..
[03:13:09] <Erant> Yeah
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[03:13:24] <Erant> "Using our optional electro-kistka (hot wax dispenser) accessory...."
[03:13:35] <minibnz> paste extruder in 3d printer land can extrude chocolate though you might have to add a heater to keep it flowing
[03:13:44] <minibnz> oh nice..
[03:13:51] <Erant> minibnz: chocolate filament!
[03:14:23] <CaptHindsight> they wouldn't be like fine chocolate but you can print chocolate and corn syrup with inkjet
[03:14:47] <minibnz> yeah they have done 3d printers that do chocolate and turkey mince onto the hot glass to be cooked like a burger.
[03:15:15] <Erant> O_o
[03:15:22] <Erant> Some people have too much time.
[03:15:33] <PetefromTn_> if I had chocolate filament I would probably be there like the dog from Lady and the tramp... http://www.popoptiq.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lady-and-the-tramp.jpg
[03:15:42] <minibnz> the hard part is keeping the chocolate at the right temp for it to be glass like.. i forget what the pro's call it but they spread it on to a bench to work
[03:15:56] <CaptHindsight> chocolate powder and binder plus a flash final sinter to glaze the surface
[03:16:17] <minibnz> just chocolate power.. laser to bind the choc directly.
[03:16:33] <minibnz> laser sintered chocolate..
[03:16:35] <minibnz> hmmmmmm
[03:16:47] <Erant> I'm actually seeing if I can find a CAD model of a heart now. I am going to win valentine's day with the wife...
[03:17:09] <Erant> I have some HDPE sheet, and there's always chocolate in this house :)
[03:17:14] <PetefromTn_> that would actually be REALLY cool....
[03:17:26] <PetefromTn_> why not just some aluminum and polish it?
[03:17:44] <zeeshan> man im trying to look for jewellery
[03:17:46] <zeeshan> this shit is hard
[03:17:51] <zeeshan> i cant tell when a stone is a fake or not
[03:17:57] <zeeshan> and what a normal price is for things
[03:18:01] <zeeshan> anyone got a clue?!
[03:18:53] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: you need a crocked jeweler that you can trust :)
[03:19:15] <zeeshan> capt i bought something for 400 bux
[03:19:20] <zeeshan> and it ended up being a fake emerald
[03:19:22] <CaptHindsight> crocked/crooked
[03:19:28] <zeeshan> now somene might think im stupid cause maybe that is cheap?
[03:19:32] <zeeshan> but i dont know what the price range is..
[03:20:09] <Erant> PetefromTn_: I can do either. Not sure if you'd want slow cooling or quick cooling...
[03:20:26] <Erant> Quick cooling, I'd do aluminum for sure.
[03:21:07] <CaptHindsight> aluminum is not NSF
[03:21:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah man...
[03:21:47] <Erant> Ah
[03:21:48] <PetefromTn_> I don't see why a 3d mold machined into an aluminum block and then the cavity hand polished would cause any problems..
[03:22:49] <Erant> "When used in a food zone, aluminum alloys shall have one of the following Aluminum Association8 alloy designations or equivalent:"
[03:22:57] <Erant> 6xxx series alloys is in there.
[03:23:18] <Erant> Not 7 though
[03:23:26] <Erant> 1, 3, 4, 5 and 6
[03:23:32] <PetefromTn_> my wife is a HUGE Alice in Chains Fan.....
[03:23:56] <PetefromTn_> I'm thinking a big heart with AIC engraved in the face and contoured shape
[03:24:25] <Erant> Should be a pretty easy mold to make.
[03:24:38] <PetefromTn_> I am not all that great at 3d yet
[03:24:56] <PetefromTn_> I would want the heart to be kind of stylized...
[03:25:16] <Erant> Fair enough. I'm going to cut a few, see what works.
[03:25:24] <Erant> brb, going to check what I have laying around.
[03:25:38] <PetefromTn_> http://images.clipartpanda.com/heart-shape-clip-art-1539-heart-shape-clipart-1013tm-mix.jpg
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[03:31:03] <Erant> Quick cooling might actually be good if the thing is going to be large.
[03:31:12] <Erant> Swirling the chocolate means you can make a shell.
[03:31:16] <Erant> Instead of solid...
[03:31:39] <CaptHindsight> I worked this all out a year or so ago. SLA patterns and corn starch molds.
[03:32:00] <Erant> Huh. (Why did you work it out?)
[03:32:10] <CaptHindsight> works for chocolate and gummies
[03:33:02] <CaptHindsight> how to mass produce (few 100- K's ea)custom chocolate and candies in the shortest time
[03:33:12] <Erant> Ah.
[03:33:13] <CaptHindsight> for school fund raisers and similar
[03:33:23] <Erant> Doesn't work for shelled chocolates though, only solids.
[03:33:39] <CaptHindsight> kids faces
[03:33:44] <Erant> Ah
[03:33:50] <Erant> Sure. pretty shallow molds then.
[03:34:34] <CaptHindsight> for shelled you just start with filled blanks and then add a custom face/side/surface
[03:35:13] <CaptHindsight> custom edible adult toys
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[03:37:19] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/qrypdAGEZBg?t=2m
[03:39:05] * PetefromTn_ tries to figure how to create that ellipse shaped dome a candy heart mold would need in CAD
[03:39:20] <Erant> loft?
[03:39:40] <CaptHindsight> download from a few sites
[03:39:41] * PetefromTn_ considers Erants good idea
[03:40:07] <Erant> Loft was a goodsend when I was designing my wife's wedding ring.
[03:40:27] <Erant> Any kind of 'organic' shape, really.
[03:40:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:40624
[03:40:29] <Erant> god*
[03:40:40] <minibnz> hmmmm gummie worms..
[03:40:51] <Erant> CaptHindsight: thingiverse tends to be STL though, and that... doesn't machine too well
[03:41:17] <CaptHindsight> no problem if you have real CAD tools
[03:41:34] <minibnz> PetefromTn_ in solid works i would make the heart profile and add a nice big fillet to the edge
[03:41:39] <CaptHindsight> STL --> NX ---> g-code
[03:42:04] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Ah, maybe. I just understood STL has some limitations on splines
[03:42:16] <minibnz> you could do better if you started with 45' corners first then you can add more fillets to curve the edge
[03:42:25] <Erant> Maybe it's just certain programs.
[03:42:50] <CaptHindsight> outline, extrude, then fillet
[03:43:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah but the fillet just does not get it done adequately
[03:43:08] <minibnz> yup capt :)
[03:43:44] <CaptHindsight> depends on how many features you want it to have
[03:44:10] <minibnz> outline extrue then spline cut your desired curve around the outline
[03:44:41] <minibnz> then you can draw your own fillet as a beezer curve that suits your needs.
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[03:46:05] <minibnz> you could even break the spline up so you can add multiple curves.. one for the outside edge at the bottom of the V then one for the top v
[03:46:32] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/q7lOUFF
[03:46:56] <PetefromTn_> LOFT/FILLET
[03:47:10] <CaptHindsight> or get/make a block of chocolate and hand carve it
[03:47:19] <minibnz> yeah thats the term i waslooking for.
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[03:47:33] <PetefromTn_> now how would you get the letters in there?
[03:47:54] <CaptHindsight> get real heart, make mold, cast, give, divorce
[03:48:20] <minibnz> similar way draw the letters just a single line then draw the shape of the carve if you just want block letters.
[03:48:41] <minibnz> if you want a font you might have to settle for extrudecut then fille the edges
[03:48:45] <minibnz> fillet
[03:50:17] <PetefromTn_> No again stylized lettering
[03:51:15] <minibnz> opk then you draw the outline (not sure if there is a font tool in SW never had to put letters on anything) then standard extrude cut into the face then fillet the edges to look nice.
[03:52:15] <minibnz> im not sure if the depth of the letters can be made to follow the curve of the surface this way.
[03:52:55] <minibnz> yo might end up with aa deep groove in the center and shallower on the edges depending on how curved you got the surface
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[03:54:12] <minibnz> you could also use the second direction in the extrude cut to get the sides of the groove on a angle in one move. you will get a tapered slot
[03:55:38] <Erant> PetefromTn_: Ooh, nice.
[03:56:01] <PetefromTn_> that is good advice..now I just gotta figure how to do it in Freecad LOL
[03:56:39] <minibnz> oh i havent used free cad sorry.. my work bought me a copy of SW and havent looked back.
[03:57:07] <PetefromTn_> Don't blame you there I have used it and its awesome.
[03:57:26] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna play with this and see if I can come up with something
[03:57:28] <minibnz> it works well with how i think about things :)
[03:58:01] <minibnz> you could just do another lofted cut around the straight sides rather than fillet, just like you did for the outside.
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[03:58:32] <minibnz> sharp internal angles might smudge out to nothing though..
[03:58:42] <PetefromTn_> I know I considered that
[03:58:48] <minibnz> cool
[03:59:05] <PetefromTn_> I was planning to champfer the top of the heart so it is not so pointy in the cleft
[03:59:05] <minibnz> just trying to give you all the options i can think of.
[04:00:05] <minibnz> when you mill that the pooint will go away a little, depending on the cutter size it could end up curved
[04:01:03] <PetefromTn_> I was thinking try to cut it with an 3/16 ball endmill for the shape and 1/8 for the lettering
[04:01:21] <PetefromTn_> Heh just sold another rail on facebook
[04:01:23] <minibnz> ahhh nice you could then get that point..
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[04:02:51] <minibnz> i have 1mm and 2mm ball cutters they are nice to get small stuff done would take you a week to cut your part out..
[04:02:57] <PetefromTn_> I was thinking I would be packing up the VMC here soon but I could use the extra cash for the move that is for sure...
[04:03:29] <PetefromTn_> Right now my part is 4.7 inches tall
[04:03:36] <PetefromTn_> .25 deep
[04:04:15] <minibnz> thats not too bad. wont take all that long to cut on a decent speed machine.
[04:04:50] <PetefromTn_> well my spindle is only 6k but the machine is rather quick if I want it to be
[04:05:50] <minibnz> im thinking i need to drop my microsteps and get back some power from my steppers.. wtih 1080steps per mm i think i can drop that to 4x and not notice any step size loss that should give me 270steps per mm
[04:06:17] <minibnz> 0.003mm steps should be fine :)
[04:06:39] <minibnz> shame its not an even multiple of mm's
[04:07:28] <minibnz> would let me sleep a bit better at night :P
[04:07:39] <PetefromTn_> lol
[04:12:02] <pcw_home> Microstepping does not lose power/torque (though it may be harder to generate the step pulses in software)
[04:13:16] <minibnz> thats not what i have read pcw_home.. to acheive micro stepping the coils act against each other to a degree this is different when you compare to whole steps where the coils work together..
[04:14:08] <minibnz> eg in half steps one coil is set to full power and the next is set to half power to hold the axle inbetween the full step points.
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[04:14:48] <pcw_home> 1/2 stepping theoretically can have more torque but in practice resonance causes more torque loss
[04:15:26] <minibnz> http://www.micromo.com/microstepping-myths-and-realities
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[04:15:31] <pcw_home> and the torque varies with state which is awful for exiting resonance
[04:16:14] <pcw_home> Yes that paper is terribly misleading
[04:17:46] <minibnz> even when i read the datasheets for how a stepper driver gets its microsteps it still makes sense to me. as one coil is holding against the other..
[04:17:54] <pcw_home> many many people read the paper and think that "incremental torque" is the same as stall torque
[04:18:03] <Erant> minibnz: Heh, my steps are 0.0001mm
[04:18:49] <minibnz> and how about when gecko the people that make stepper drivers say pretty much the same thing...
[04:18:50] <minibnz> http://www.geckodrive.com/microstep-full-step-torque
[04:18:53] <pcw_home> they are never against each other (they are at 90 degrees to one another)
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[04:19:31] <Erant> PetefromTn_: What rails are you selling?
[04:20:54] <pcw_home> yes holding torque in some positions is better but if you are moving microstepping is better
[04:22:23] <Erant> pcw_home: Oh, question. Can I use the RS485 port in my 7i76 as a general purpose serial port, or no?
[04:22:59] <PetefromTn_> Erant http://i.imgur.com/OApitjc.jpg
[04:23:05] <pcw_home> theres a UART component but no simple HAL support
[04:23:30] <Erant> PetefromTn_: Holy cow that looks nice.
[04:23:51] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/MfnkmnE.jpg
[04:24:05] <pcw_home> eventually I would like to have modbus support on the RS485 poert
[04:24:11] <Erant> Nice. How long does that take you?
[04:24:21] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/yxIhC5I.jpg
[04:24:28] <Erant> pcw_home: Yeah, I've got my servo drivers that speak a custom ASCII protocol.
[04:24:33] <minibnz> dang thata big paralax wheel :) very nice rail
[04:24:33] <PetefromTn_> actual machine time?
[04:24:34] <Erant> Over RS485.
[04:24:45] <Erant> PetefromTn_: Including you setting up and whatnot.
[04:24:46] <pcw_home> It woud be especially nice on teh Ethernet cards to eliminate one more wire from the PC
[04:24:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah I make wheels too actually
[04:25:16] <PetefromTn_> probably close to an hour and a half total machine time including deburring etc.
[04:26:01] <FloppyDisk> PetefromTn_ that's nice.
[04:26:07] <Erant> I still want to make a receiver on my mill.
[04:26:19] <Erant> I was going to do a P22, but I can't seem to get the parts kit for it.
[04:27:01] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/NjOGyl3
[04:27:12] <minibnz> i would love to make gun on my mill but it will cost me 25years if i get found with it.. yay gun laws at work :p
[04:27:19] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/g5LP2a0.jpg
[04:27:33] <PetefromTn_> pss?
[04:27:38] <PetefromTn_> P22?
[04:27:43] <Erant> Small advantage of having moved to the USA
[04:27:45] <Erant> Walther P22
[04:29:09] <Wolf_> I’ve been thinking of doing a couple 1911’s when I get my house done
[04:29:36] <Erant> Thought about it, but hogging out that magwell seems like... a chore.
[04:29:45] <Wolf_> 80%
[04:29:54] <Erant> Yeah, I can do an 80.
[04:30:00] <PetefromTn_> I kinda stay away from Firearms
[04:30:00] <Erant> But where's the fun in that :)
[04:30:14] <Erant> PetefromTn_: These rifles air powered?
[04:30:19] <PetefromTn_> I make a bunch of accessories for them tho
[04:30:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah those are all precision Precharged Pneumatic Airguns
[04:31:38] <minibnz> i have a FX monsoon its nice but not as snice as those syters.. couldnt streatch my budget that far..
[04:31:39] <Erant> Wonder if I could make a 'receiver' for an airgun...
[04:31:45] <Erant> Probably be cheaper...
[04:31:54] <minibnz> it was my first legal rifle so i got me a nice one :)
[04:32:03] <PetefromTn_> FX makes nice guns
[04:32:30] <PetefromTn_> Airguns are not as simple to make as people usually think unless it is just a very basic model
[04:32:45] <PetefromTn_> I have built several from scratch
[04:32:49] <minibnz> now i have a problem i didnt lubricate the action quite right and i have two burrs inside behind the popet hammer stopped it cycling, and even now it loads but wont reload after firing a pellet..
[04:33:20] <PetefromTn_> in the hammer or in its bore?
[04:33:23] <Wolf_> 0% AR or 1911 would be easier then a pre-charged pneumatic IMO
[04:33:35] <minibnz> should have paid more attention to the instruction manual.. it says not to touch the trigger or the warranty is void. and that stoped me getting the grease into the right places.
[04:34:31] <minibnz> its in the bore.. right above the trigerr sear. i have purchased a new hammer and sear that helped but still wont reload with a pellet.. it happily dry fires without pellets multiple times in a row..
[04:35:02] <PetefromTn_> I would love to build a 1911 but honestly even decent ones are relatively cheap nowadays and quite good. These PCP airguns are quite expensive in comparison...generally anyways
[04:35:15] <PetefromTn_> Might I make a suggestion?
[04:35:27] <Erant> Wolf_: Huh, interesting. Any reason you say that?
[04:35:41] <minibnz> thinking the burr i cleaned up is now a divot and is catching the hammer as it comes back on the air pistion when firing.. think there is more pressure with a pellet. im am going to try and get a inside micrometer in there and see what i can see before i apply a little devcon..
[04:36:00] <PetefromTn_> ah okay
[04:36:07] <Wolf_> PCP airgun is more complex, maybe more dangerous IMO lol
[04:36:09] <minibnz> if i have to replace that part of the gun its a pain as it has the serial number on it.. that means a whole lota paperwork..
[04:36:12] <PetefromTn_> I was going to recommend trying something else
[04:36:22] <Erant> I'd consider the AR. Not sure if I fully have the Z for it, but probably if I put a riser on the column.
[04:36:28] <minibnz> oh i am happy to hear suggestions..
[04:37:02] <minibnz> the FX series is more dangerous than a normal gun... in that you cannot unload it without firing it..
[04:37:23] <Erant> What.
[04:37:25] <PetefromTn_> I have often cleaned up burred or scored bores with a simple die grinder and a piece of 1/4 inch drill rod, slot the end of the drill rod and stick a piece of emery cloth crossways in the slot and spin it inside the bore
[04:37:26] <Erant> That sounds dangerous
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[04:37:52] <PetefromTn_> the monsoon is a repeater as I recall
[04:38:15] <minibnz> PetefromTn_ thats how i cleaned up the burr as far as i have. i didnt want to go too far so maybe i have not gone far enough..
[04:38:23] <minibnz> correct. its semi auto.
[04:38:29] <PetefromTn_> okay
[04:39:03] <minibnz> maybe i just need to apply a little more elbow grease and try again.. much better to go slowly than to try and put metal back :)
[04:39:05] <PetefromTn_> I did that for the guys in the race shop to clean up a bore for a boss on one of the cars and they were kinda dumbstruck
[04:39:16] <PetefromTn_> apparently they had never seen that done before
[04:39:34] <PetefromTn_> they were pretty happy with how easily it worked and how controllable it is
[04:39:53] <PetefromTn_> great way to clean up a bore and simple as dirt
[04:40:24] <minibnz> i had looked into sleeving it but there is a thread thats at the same diameter (that contains the spring) so i cant..
[04:40:39] <PetefromTn_> Well I need to get to sleep guys. Goodnight
[04:40:48] <minibnz> ok i will get the emry paper out and give it s a bit more.. thanks for the help..
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[04:41:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah man be careful and go slow
[04:41:07] <PetefromTn_> Gn8
[04:41:11] <minibnz> later..
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[05:49:02] <minibnz> ok i sanded it as much as i feel i should and it still wont fire semi auto.. it slides a bit nicer now that i also replaced a seal that was oversized.. now i can clearly see that there is a hollow that needs to be filled and smoothed back..
[05:50:13] <minibnz> i could see where the metal came from to make the burr and that needs to be replaced as its either side of a slot that the trigger sits in.. so there is not a lot of support there and any hollow will allow the hammer to drop and catch before the trigger
[05:59:00] <Ralith> are you milling your own firearm
[05:59:21] <Wolf_> air rifle repair
[05:59:22] <minibnz> no just trying to repair it.
[06:00:50] <minibnz> i have fired about 5000 shots thru it in one year and it turns out i was not lubricating it enough and a burr developed behind the poppet valve hammer so when it tried to reload after/during firing it jams as the hammer is dropping into the divots that made the burrs and jamming even though everything is nice and clean.
[06:01:44] <minibnz> going to dis-assembe it fully and degrease it and fill the divots up with some devon steel plastic steel. i have heard this stuff can repaire cylinder walls in a engine..
[06:01:57] <minibnz> so i figure that would be the next step..
[06:02:47] <minibnz> if that doesnt work i dont think i have a lot of choices. the design of this wont allow for a sleeve so i can leave it as single shot bolt action or buy a new receiver which means govt paperwork and $$$$
[06:03:39] <minibnz> speaking of paper work that reminds me i have to submit my permit to purchase for my new lever action shotty.. :) that will be a nice birthday present..
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[07:11:15] <minibnz> well this is embarassing.. i think i have an axis backwards.. going to have to cut me a number 4 so i can see whats going on.. it doesn't matter at the moment as i am cutting circles.. it seems like when i tell it to cut clockwise it goes the other way...
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[07:17:51] <Wolf_> didn’t test? http://i.imgur.com/j52xZPn.jpg :P
[07:19:03] <Jymmm> Wolf_: SLAM that pencil into the material ;)
[07:20:10] <minibnz> what you goal was to draw on the card? that looks like the perfect test before milling something :)
[07:20:11] <Wolf_> just need to set the DOC for a #2 led
[07:20:26] <Jymmm> Wolf_: LOL
[07:20:26] <Wolf_> lead*
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[07:20:57] <Jymmm> Wolf_: I will admit, I do like the thick lines it created
[07:21:18] <Jymmm> Wolf_: maybe try a carpetner's pencil?
[07:21:20] <Wolf_> minibnz: yeah, was first test I did with the machine after I converted it
[07:21:31] <minibnz> it looks good. is that coragated card?
[07:21:42] <Wolf_> yeah, just cardboard lol
[07:21:53] <Jymmm> looks like divider cardboard
[07:21:57] <minibnz> so whats the lined in it
[07:22:01] <minibnz> s$
[07:22:25] <minibnz> lines.. oh wow 4 times to type one word...
[07:22:48] <Jymmm> minibnz: You can do worse if you try real hard ;)
[07:24:16] <minibnz> i ihave a bad habit of dropping my thumbs on the track pad and it highlights the text i have typed so if i dont see it in time i type over the top and have to start again it really pisses me off.. i have tried settings and programs to fix this but there seems like nothing i can do. i even replaced the track pad but stil happens.
[07:26:12] <minibnz> the problem really is that the irc client requires me to click in the text box to type so teh mouse is always there ready to select the text unless i force myself to drag the mouse a away then i get a new window selection instead of wiping my text.. its not too bad when i code but its really shit on irc..
[07:29:34] <archivist> dont use a laptop :)
[07:30:09] <minibnz> the desktop wont sit straight on the couch.. all the things i draw would come out bent...
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[07:55:09] <Deejay> moin
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[07:59:50] <tiwake> 15 hours later
[08:07:20] <tiwake> vodka time
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[10:13:02] <miss0r> so yesterday I went to buy my first surface grinder. it is a Jacobsen SJ-16. it looks like hell(very dirty) but it seems to be in working condition with everything still on it, althou that comes with the exeption of the coolant pump. I bought it for ~100USD, from a guy living 400 meters from me, so it was an easy move with a forklift. It had service aprox one year ago, where a new grinding
[10:13:02] <miss0r> wheel was installed, and since then it has only been running 2 hours or so on the clock. In addition to all this niceness, It has a massive magnetic chuck installed, measuering 31.5x10 inches. and it is dirty but working. I thought I would share my happyness on this deal with you guys.
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[10:14:02] <archivist> grmbl
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[10:14:37] <archivist> I had to make my own grinder because there was no cheap one available
[10:15:17] <miss0r> I got lucky. I saw the guy move it outside the workshop for long term storage in the rain. so I just contacted him
[10:15:59] <archivist> you will be needing a larger workshop :)
[10:16:08] <miss0r> yeah...
[10:16:21] <miss0r> it's already packed somewhat tight in here at the moment
[10:16:51] <miss0r> the statement you just made is more correct that you could imagine
[10:16:52] <archivist> it is not far off the price I paid for the CMM
[10:17:34] <miss0r> nice
[10:18:16] <miss0r> well.. the price I paied for the machine, I would gladly have doubled just for the magnetic chuck
[10:18:16] <archivist> I had a full garage, saw it on ebay, mad cramming and clearing session to get it in
[10:18:39] <miss0r> thats what I just did with my TOS fnk 25A mill
[10:19:01] <miss0r> that is somewhat out of the question. and the problem is it is almost as big as the mill
[10:19:31] <miss0r> I am hoping a friend of mine with a huge garage will have it stored for occational use at his place :)
[10:19:44] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2015/2015_09_27_Brown_&_Sharpe_CMM/IMG_2008.JPG
[10:20:39] <miss0r> my word, that is crowded
[10:20:54] <archivist> just a bit
[10:22:11] <miss0r> mines not that crowded yet. but it would be quite alot worse if I moved that surface grinder in here
[10:22:11] <archivist> made a trolley for someone, had to drag it through upside down http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=glass+trolley
[10:22:56] <miss0r> heh
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[10:25:35] <miss0r> my biggest issue at the moment is, I need to change windows in my chop for some insulating ones. so I can get this place heated.
[10:26:25] <archivist> find a used on on ebay
[10:27:48] <miss0r> I actualy found a place here in Denmark that makes them on measurements, and only charges ~$40 for square meter.
[10:27:53] <archivist> I god a windows and door for the garage that way, far cheaper than new
[10:27:54] <miss0r> that is only the glass part thou..
[10:27:58] <archivist> got
[10:28:21] <archivist> you can get a frame and glass that way
[10:28:22] <miss0r> but I think I should be able to reuse the frames
[10:29:09] <tiwake> vodka is magic
[10:29:12] <tiwake> also bed time
[10:29:13] <miss0r> my garage is build from aerated concrete, so it would be just lovely not to have to replace too much
[10:29:16] <archivist> if you want to reuse the frame remember double glazed units are a lot thicker
[10:29:16] <tiwake> night
[10:29:49] <archivist> 27mm over hear is the current standard
[10:29:53] <archivist> here
[10:29:59] <miss0r> archivist: indeed. I would have to use a handheld wood mill (No idea what they are called) and then remove the rest in the conors with a chissle
[10:30:21] <miss0r> I have plenty frame to go around
[10:30:42] <archivist> just as easy to replace whole frame
[10:31:24] <archivist> upvc frame has drains for the bottom of the glass that a wooden frame does not
[10:32:50] <miss0r> good point
[10:34:37] <archivist> my part time work is windows :)
[10:36:28] <miss0r> I guess that makes sense :) Do you live of that garage? and then support that working with windows?
[10:36:59] <archivist> hardly living off anything at the moment
[10:37:23] <miss0r> sucks
[10:37:50] <miss0r> so that means you have more to work in your shop ;)
[10:38:48] <archivist> no work to pay for heating to play in workshop
[10:39:17] <miss0r> you know what. that realy sucks
[10:44:58] <archivist> well, just had an email, a fuel tank to repair
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[10:47:51] <miss0r> nice
[10:48:16] <miss0r> so not living completely on 'nothing'. I guess what my question was: Are you selfemployed?
[10:48:29] <DaViruz> bring RTV!
[10:50:02] <miss0r> DaViruz: a few days ago you ditches the danish machines... I now have a danish made Jacobsen SJ-16 surface grinder standing around
[10:50:28] <miss0r> so... why don't you put that in your pipe and smoke it, you damn Swede ;)
[10:51:41] <DaViruz> :D
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[10:52:38] <miss0r> DaViruz: one quite like this one: http://www.wotol.com/images/thumbs/800x800/1089503_8b409f97000033bf92eac786f3c2aa63.jpg just imagine alot of old grinding dust & oil everywhere
[10:54:19] <DaViruz> that's easy to imagine!
[10:54:35] <miss0r> _alot_more_
[10:54:38] <miss0r> :)
[10:55:20] <miss0r> but it included a huge magnetic chuck of 800x250mm
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[11:09:36] <archivist> miss0r, I can accept delivery after you have cleaned and painted it :)
[11:09:46] * archivist ducks
[11:10:37] <miss0r> hehehe. where on gods green earth would you put it?
[11:11:18] <archivist> "somewhere"
[11:12:24] <archivist> I wish I could afford to finish my "conservatory" (workshop extension)
[11:12:25] <miss0r> funny... that is also where I am going to place it
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[11:12:49] <miss0r> I hear'ya. I would also love to extend mine
[11:13:09] <archivist> I have "obtained" some miss measured frames and glass
[11:13:24] <miss0r> I sould also love to have a white epoxy floor
[11:13:29] <archivist> needs a base and roof
[11:14:07] <miss0r> you sound like me when I was a little kid. comming up to my father with a box of nails, claiming I had half of what it took to build a treehouse. and that he would only have to supply the rest
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[11:15:27] * Jymmm lol @ miss0r
[11:15:36] <Jymmm> miss0r: Did he buy it?
[11:15:54] <Jymmm> miss0r: Did he buy it? (your arguement that is)
[11:16:33] <archivist> still trying to convince his dad, I bet
[11:16:53] <Jymmm> hahahahaha
[11:18:02] <miss0r> yeah. he didn't :)
[11:18:20] <DaViruz> a tree house with a surface grinder in it
[11:18:27] <DaViruz> now that would be something
[11:18:31] <miss0r> I ended up building one my self. he only pitched in, when it clearly became too hazardous :)
[11:18:52] <miss0r> I think I would need a 500 year old oak tree for a proper base then :)
[11:19:04] <Jymmm> miss0r: Should have told him you have a box of nail AND the tree, then you really would have had more than half =)
[11:20:37] <miss0r> hehe true. I ended up with a horrible construction made from rope, wooden pallets and alot! of bend nails :)
[11:20:56] <miss0r> sort of like a platform in a huge apple tree, I could sit on reading cartoons'n eating apples...
[11:21:25] <miss0r> ... good times.. good times
[11:30:05] <_methods> that sounds like the perfect tree house
[11:37:49] <miss0r> indeed. Thinking back it was the best possiple treehouse. When my kid gets old enough I will do something simular. Not get him one of thoes pretty ones that looks like it came out of a factory. he would probally not enjoy that as much
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[11:38:42] <Jymmm> miss0r: Dont forget to hand him the 35lb nail gun with itchy trigger finger
[11:39:41] <miss0r> hehe. the only nail gun I have is a gunpowder powered one for blowing bolts into concrete... I see no reason for him not to borrow that :D
[11:40:00] <Jymmm> NOW YOU'RE TALKING!!!
[11:40:36] <Jymmm> "Look Dad, this 10" nail fits in the end of the barrel!!!"
[11:41:05] <Jymmm> (and I bet it actually would too)
[11:41:11] <miss0r> You would not believe what I have made of crazy things in my childhood... Its scary :)
[11:41:43] <Jymmm> time delay fuses?
[11:42:02] <miss0r> I can't believe I still have all my fingers. at the age of 12 I, unknow to my parents ofc, mixed nitro glycerin in my room...
[11:42:23] <miss0r> I used thoes, yes ;)
[11:43:22] <Jymmm> I'm still a pyro, I just make electric fuses now
[11:43:54] <miss0r> indeed. I made an explotion once, that scared me out of my pyro mode
[11:45:35] <_methods> Jymmm: back to troll'n the NSA eh
[11:45:40] <_methods> 2 days in a row lol
[11:46:09] <Jymmm> _methods: I said pyro, not arsonist.
[11:46:52] <_methods> heheh
[11:46:54] <_methods> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/slovenia/12150756/Slovenian-town-to-build-Europes-first-beer-fountain.html
[11:47:03] <archivist> now the spooks are reading every word you get terrorism holidays just for talking about
[11:48:07] <miss0r> indeed.
[11:48:16] <miss0r> yeah, just putting some systems to work
[11:48:55] <Jymmm> archivist: Eh, _methods should run for PRESIDENT, it be da BOMB of the USA!
[11:48:58] <miss0r> I wonder if there are actualy terror cells/orginations using IRC
[11:49:24] <Jymmm> miss0r: ask _methods, he's the spokesperson.
[11:50:04] <_methods> hahah thx Jymmm
[11:50:58] <miss0r> Jymmm: I all makes sense now! I found my self wondering where his obsession with goats came from
[11:50:58] <_methods> miss0r: of course there are they use xbox live and playstation network too lol
[11:51:05] <_methods> you should watch the news here
[11:51:11] <_methods> they use TEXTING too
[11:51:24] <Jymmm> and FB
[11:51:25] <_methods> so we should all give up encryption because terrorists are scary
[11:51:31] <miss0r> dear lord-ah! They are advanced :)
[11:51:37] <_methods> and the govt needs to read all your texts
[11:52:06] <miss0r> I will freely allow them to read my texts. question is: can they handle all that smudge? :]
[11:52:12] <Jymmm> they just need to give me my email backups from 1998 is what they need to do!
[11:53:19] <Jymmm> Dear NSA, Under FIOA, please provide my emails from 1998. Thank you
[11:53:26] <Jymmm> FOIA*
[11:53:31] <_methods> hehe
[11:53:51] <_methods> yeah someone get Jymmm all his AOL emails
[11:54:25] <_methods> earthlink hahahah
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[11:55:57] <Jymmm> It's was an ISP back then.
[11:56:10] <notAnNSAAgent> now whats all this
[11:56:21] <miss0r> ^^
[11:56:41] <Jymmm> notAnNSAAgent: your momma
[11:57:16] <miss0r> Yeah, I thought it would just be fun to ssh to one of my servers and join here :D
[11:57:19] <notAnNSAAgent> :-P
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[11:58:12] <miss0r> good news: My new mitutoyo dial just arraived in the mail
[11:58:56] <miss0r> and here I am just waiting for my steel supplyer to call back with a material price, so I can give a client of mine a price for some brackets
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[12:10:14] <Jymmm> http://qz.com/613957/the-us-government-now-considers-googles-self-driving-cars-to-be-legal-drivers/
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[12:23:30] <__rob> just got my face mill
[12:23:40] <__rob> what is the anti seize lubricant for ?
[12:23:47] <__rob> little tube of it packed with it
[12:23:56] <minibnz> for the inserts?
[12:24:10] <__rob> but for cutting ??
[12:24:24] <__rob> theres flood coolant
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[12:24:51] <minibnz> i thouhgt you were meant to put a small dab behind the cutters when you install them to stop the locking pin from seizing.
[12:24:57] <Jymmm> so the inserts dont sieze to the face mill
[12:25:04] <__rob> ohh right
[12:25:16] <__rob> surely the inserts are meant to be tight in there
[12:25:17] <minibnz> those little allen key scerws
[12:25:18] <__rob> not move at all
[12:25:38] <minibnz> not the insert it self but the bolt that holds it.. the little cam
[12:26:00] <miss0r> _so you can remove them when they are worn out.
[12:26:13] <minibnz> after a hard days cutting :)
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[12:29:14] <archivist> or a hard hour
[12:30:48] <minibnz> yeah once things start to warm up they expand a different rates you wouldnt want to have to wait an hour for it to cool before you can get the old one off..
[12:32:11] <archivist> you should read the insert spec, they are rated in hours or less
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[12:35:10] <minibnz> oh wasnt sure what the run time on a average insert was.
[12:35:43] <__rob> http://www.ctctools.biz/mitsubishi-carbide-inserts-apgt1135pdfr-g2-l165/
[12:35:45] <__rob> these arethe inserts
[12:36:38] <__rob> so how deep a cut can you realistically take with a 38mm face mill ?
[12:36:48] <__rob> with inserts like the above
[12:36:59] <__rob> full insert height ?
[12:37:10] <__rob> or is that a bad idea
[12:37:43] <__rob> suppose its no different to a regular endmill
[12:37:44] <__rob> just wider
[12:40:54] <miss0r> very much depends on your mill
[12:42:00] <archivist> and material and finishing/medium/roughing
[12:42:12] <minibnz> that was a bad site to show me.. they have nice cheap range of reams i have been looking for a set that is cheap..cheapest i have found was $160 for 2-13mm in 0.5mm steps from that site i could get the same for about $50
[12:44:06] <minibnz> oh i see why they are cheaper.. i was looking at hand reams not chucking reams.. doh.. ok $160 is cheaper they wants $15pc
[12:44:43] <minibnz> not too sure what the difference is really they look the same but probably made slightly different to allow use in a mill.
[12:44:51] <miss0r> damnit!! the idiots who surface ground this magnetic chuck switched direction on the furface grinder while being in concact
[12:45:24] <miss0r> this just makes me want to kill someone
[12:45:36] <_methods> the anitsieze is for the screws that hold the inserts in
[12:45:42] <archivist> heh "most cutting speeds are recommended for a tool life of 15 minutes" from the Sandvik catalog
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[12:46:29] <miss0r> most of my endmills come from a tool shop, where they discard any and all endmills after 125mins of cutting
[12:46:40] <archivist> adjust speeds and feeds for a longer life
[12:46:52] <miss0r> some are worn, but most of them are in tip top working condition (for my purposes anyway)
[12:47:50] <miss0r> mleh... I need to head out (kids god doctors apointment) see you around
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[12:51:18] <minibnz> so how bad is the idea of making a tip for a fly cutter to cut gear teeth in a 4th axis?
[12:51:37] <_methods> how is that a bad idea
[12:51:52] <_methods> pretty sure that is a common thing
[12:52:30] <minibnz> just looking at all the gear cutting stuff you can buy and was wondering if i can get away with just making tips to suit my fly cutter..
[12:53:15] <minibnz> oh ok now i need to make an arbor to hold my stock
[12:53:16] <_methods> yeah should be fine
[12:53:54] <minibnz> was thinking the geometery of the cutter would be wrong..
[12:53:56] <_methods> not everyone has a gear hob like some people here
[12:54:11] <_methods> well you'll have to cut the geometry correctly
[12:54:14] <_methods> or it will be wrong
[12:54:24] <minibnz> hehehe yeah a gear hobb would be over kill i dont need to make that many gears the same..
[12:54:58] <minibnz> yeah that will be fun keeping positive rake
[12:55:51] <_methods> well archivist is the person to talk to if you need help with gear cutting
[12:56:16] <minibnz> yeah he has shown me how he does it
[12:57:09] <archivist> I have ground up a flycutter to fit a gear I am replacing then made the gear
[12:57:36] <minibnz> cool just didnt think it was the done thing.
[12:57:44] <_methods> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/machinery_handbook/27_Gears_10.pdf
[12:57:58] <_methods> its commonly done for "one off" gears
[12:58:08] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_08_13_cnc_helical/P1010261.JPG
[12:58:33] <minibnz> i guess i will make up a little set of cutter as i go
[12:58:37] <_methods> good overview of gear cutting
[12:58:45] <_methods> hardly exhaustive
[12:59:09] <archivist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAtziCsUj5Q
[13:00:01] <_methods> nice
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[13:00:33] <archivist> 660k views!
[13:00:47] <_methods> very impressive
[13:01:39] <archivist> I have never understood the view count on that one
[13:02:02] <_methods> bread machines have massive followings
[13:02:02] <_methods> lol
[13:02:11] <Tom_itx> _methods just keeps watching it over and over and over..
[13:02:17] <_methods> hahahahh
[13:03:42] <minibnz> oh thats a nice video.. but whats with all the cut and paste comments.. they just copy the video descrption.. i have never seen that on youtube before. :)
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[13:06:50] <archivist> holding the rotary in a vice was a proper kludge :)
[13:07:08] <archivist> it was before I got the 5th axis
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[13:18:36] <minibnz> what gcode generator supports the 4th and 5th axis or do you just code that by hand?
[13:19:31] <minibnz> are there any free open source generators out there for the 4th and 5th axis?
[13:19:53] <minibnz> im a tight arse and likt to fight bad documentation :)
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[13:22:42] <_methods> i don't know of any free open source gcode generators for 4 and 5 axis work
[13:23:14] <minibnz> seems like it would be a lot of work.
[13:23:15] <_methods> 4 and 5 axis toolpath generation is traditionally very expensive
[13:23:47] <minibnz> yeah thats what i have found with the one or two generators i saw that support them. also they were window only
[13:24:35] <minibnz> its hard to hate windows in manufacturing... but its getting better..
[13:26:02] <gregcnc> cnc-toolkit.com
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[13:27:55] <Tom_itx> i've been looking at that a bit in catia
[13:29:08] <gregcnc> https://www.instagram.com/p/_TU0vrAZyH/ this was cut with cnctoolkit
[13:29:39] <minibnz> nice..
[13:30:14] <minibnz> so now i gotta learn how to use GMAX or 3dmax :)
[13:30:38] <gregcnc> actually that two setups in 3 axis, this one is 5 https://www.instagram.com/p/7684t4AZ6O/
[13:32:53] <archivist> minibnz, inside rear of skull for gcode generation
[13:33:50] <archivist> you just need to realise how simple that helical is in gcode
[13:34:57] <minibnz> at the moment i do my gcode by hand too. but for some things i just look at them and say no nope no way...
[13:35:14] <archivist> each tooth path identical, rotate one tooth angle rinse repeat
[13:35:56] <archivist> each tooth path is a single line of gcode
[13:36:10] <minibnz> yeah thats easy enough for gears i do that too. that was when i found the repeat command is not supported by my printer. wanted to test some gcode at home when the mill was at the workshop. it doesnt do repeat...
[13:37:53] <gregcnc> I want to try this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDf0lEN3ekg
[13:38:20] <_methods> the 3d printer crowd doesn't know how to read
[13:40:20] <archivist> gregcnc, I did some bevels that way, still have to fix the code a bit(or remove backlash error) or both
[13:40:39] <minibnz> they dont really look to minimise their code size. they treat each layer as its own thing so they dont need the repeat command
[13:41:22] <_methods> well if they would take a look at rs274ngc and follow that they might get some more respect
[13:41:34] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bevel
[13:41:39] <_methods> but unfortunately they don't and just make up silly codes for whatever they want
[13:42:05] <_methods> then they wonder why they get laughed at
[13:42:32] <archivist> the maffs http://www.archivist.info/gear/designbevel.php
[13:42:50] <gregcnc> I mainly want to be able to make gears without involute or hob cutters
[13:43:19] <_methods> that will be a lot of profiling
[13:43:41] <gregcnc> lol. version .0000001
[13:44:04] <_methods> and no guarantee lol
[13:44:11] <gregcnc> sure, but at 15kRPM it would go fast for <mod 1.0
[13:44:36] <_methods> you see when linuxcnc changes or deviates from rs274 they document it
[13:44:38] <_methods> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/rs274ngc.html
[13:45:31] <archivist> gregcnc, a plain spur is easy
[13:46:03] <gregcnc> yeah, I just have to make the time to write the gcode with variables.
[13:46:22] <archivist> trivial to grind 20 degree rack form cutter
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[13:47:18] <_methods> http://www.helicron.net/workshop/gearcutting/gear_cutter/
[13:47:28] <_methods> guy making his own hob
[13:47:52] <gregcnc> to cut 4140 prehard
[13:47:54] <minibnz> thinking about foing that to extend the rack on my Z axis. i wont need too many teeth. it will only need to be 2 inches long, will allow my head to lift up a bit more now i have a air spring on it.
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[13:48:46] <archivist> that is not a true hob
[13:48:51] <_methods> nah
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[13:49:03] <_methods> but still cool diy hob in a home shop
[13:49:35] <archivist> not a hob
[13:49:55] <archivist> hob has a helix
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[13:51:17] <_methods> yeah i guess you could get teh same thing he has there by milling a tap down
[13:52:02] <gregcnc> if you want 30° pressure angle?
[13:52:12] <archivist> some idiots have made glue gun drives "hobbing" the worm with a tap
[13:52:58] <malcom2073> archivist: You say idiots, it works damn well :P
[13:53:12] <gregcnc> letting the tap feed the "gear" even
[13:53:26] <gregcnc> for the application its fine
[13:53:49] <_methods> oh yeah he had the correct pa on his threading tool
[13:53:52] <_methods> forgot about that
[13:53:57] <archivist> for extruders yes
[13:54:00] <_methods> guess you can't just grab a tap and grind it
[13:54:33] <minibnz> thats how the first drive bolt on my pritner was made now i cut the teeth on my mill.
[13:54:53] <minibnz> it was hobbed with a tapp and a cordless drill
[13:55:00] <archivist> best start with an acme tap
[13:55:30] <minibnz> only works cuz we just need a rough surface to grip the plastic in a pinch roller.
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[14:02:58] <archivist> here is a drive gear I was asked for http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=drive+gear+PD
[14:03:26] <archivist> wanted them in pairs, but failed to pay
[14:06:38] <_methods> wtf
[14:07:35] <_methods> what was the excuse for not paying?
[14:08:16] <archivist> just went silent on emails
[14:08:28] <archivist> so I never posted them
[14:08:36] <_methods> http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~chrish/cancelled%20account/gearcut.jpg
[14:08:42] <_methods> quite the lathe setup
[14:09:15] <archivist> old fashioned method
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[14:10:10] <_methods> pretty cool i've never seen that setup before
[14:10:17] <archivist> we had ready made division wheels http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_01_05_Clockworks_schaublin_70/P1050047.JPG
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[14:11:11] <_methods> ah at teh back of the headstock
[14:11:54] <archivist> later improved accuracy http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_Richards_of_Burton_clockworks/P1010241.JPG
[14:12:42] <_methods> wild
[14:13:22] <archivist> the original plates had significant errors from the worm dividing that made them
[14:14:04] <_methods> got that belt spinnin in your face while you're cutting gears lol
[14:14:45] <_methods> well i liked the other one looked much simpler
[14:16:00] <archivist> so I look at any (worm) dividing assembly carefully these days
[14:16:12] * Loetmichel2 just made a few pics of his new "rust bucket" ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16146&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[14:16:17] <_methods> yeah any deviation will show up big time
[14:17:14] <archivist> most think any error is divided...wrong
[14:18:03] <_methods> damn i never thought of this either
[14:18:05] <_methods> http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~chrish/cancelled%20account/fly1.jpg
[14:18:13] <_methods> interesting fly cutter for lathe
[14:19:32] <cradek> Loetmichel2: I can smell that interior from here
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[14:22:03] <Loetmichel2> soirprisingly it isnt moldy at all. a bit of cold smoke but tolerable.
[14:22:15] <Loetmichel2> @ cradek^
[14:26:34] <gregcnc> even the plastic is rusty? The lower gray trim behind the front wheels in plastic, at least on the ones I've seen
[14:28:10] <Loetmichel2> steel on this one
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[14:57:09] <minibnz> so i am looking at getting some proper tool holders.. i am thinking a ER11 collet holder might be the go..
[15:01:57] <gregcnc> what are you using it for
[15:02:19] <minibnz> on my mini mill i want to add a automatic tool changer..
[15:02:37] <gregcnc> where does the holder fit in?
[15:02:39] <minibnz> the biggest cutter i can safely drive is probably 7 or 8mm
[15:03:00] <archivist> er and tool change dont usually mix
[15:03:08] <Loetmichel2> minibnz: wimp
[15:03:16] <archivist> unless you have lots of er tool holders
[15:03:20] <minibnz> i need to hold the cutters.. i have a 16mm spring loaded collet that wil hold the tool holder and i am thinking that if i made the tool holders out of collets would be good.
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[15:03:29] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5474
[15:03:36] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5471
[15:03:43] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5468
[15:03:49] <Loetmichel2> :-)
[15:03:59] <Loetmichel2> 80mm at 24kRPM
[15:04:27] <Loetmichel2> i confess i was standing behind the gantry sidewall when using that ;-)
[15:04:53] <Loetmichel2> ... 6mm shaft btw ;-)
[15:04:55] <minibnz> i am using a Seig x2 that i have CNC'd maybe the motors are too small but even when i hand drive it 7 or 8mm was where things got a little unsteady
[15:05:26] <Loetmichel2> i used a wooden gantry router for that
[15:05:26] <anomynous> 24krpm?
[15:05:45] <gregcnc> so you are putting an ER11 collet extension into a 16mm collet in the spindle?
[15:06:05] <minibnz> so i thought about seeing if i could find something that will hold all my cutters and drills and be automatically loaded into the spindle. but all the premade CNC tool holders are so expensive..
[15:06:08] <Loetmichel2> anomynous: yes
[15:06:19] <anomynous> what were you cutting
[15:06:21] <minibnz> looking for a way to it on the cheap
[15:06:32] <Loetmichel2> last pic
[15:06:39] <Loetmichel2> particle voard
[15:06:43] <Loetmichel2> board
[15:06:56] <Loetmichel2> the sacrificial plate
[15:07:28] <gregcnc> what is the spindle taper of the x2?
[15:07:38] <anomynous> why such speed?
[15:07:54] <minibnz> really i need a way to compress the spring on the top of my arbor.. i tried a 40mm air piston on shop air but its not strong enough..
[15:08:08] <minibnz> gregcnc i think its a MT3
[15:08:40] <minibnz> to use that directly i would need to mount a rattle gun on the top of the arbor bolt :)
[15:08:56] <minibnz> i looked into it but its would be a bit noisy for my liking..
[15:09:30] <anomynous> so you were feeding like at over 50 meters per minute or something with a 6mm shaft? :D
[15:09:56] <minibnz> so i am cosidering a electric linear actuator.. something like this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/50mm-2-12V-330Ibs-Max-Load-1500N-150KG-Linear-Actuator-for-Medical-Lifting-Auto-/201396517687?hash=item2ee42afb37:g:EAoAAOSwNSxVOQ~V
[15:10:27] <Loetmichel2> anarchos2: yes
[15:10:32] <Loetmichel2> anomynous
[15:11:03] <Loetmichel2> because that machine was big
[15:11:25] <minibnz> but even that will need a 5:1 lever on it to get enough push to push this spring down. and then i am not too sure if it will close fast enough for the spring to snap into place. when playing around slowly releaseing the spring didnt seem to grip a 16mm too very well but smacking it with a hammer make it bite in..
[15:11:36] <Loetmichel2> and leveling the sacificial plate was a time consuming process
[15:11:47] <anomynous> how much was your feed?
[15:12:02] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4935
[15:12:14] <Loetmichel2> thats the whole machine
[15:12:27] <Loetmichel2> F4200 (mm/min)
[15:12:52] <minibnz> thats a beast..
[15:13:27] <anomynous> youd save the cutter if you can run it slower. Just count how fast it would make if you feed 0.1mm/tooth
[15:13:33] <Loetmichel2> minibnz: its made of marine plywood
[15:13:51] <minibnz> still thats good enough to carve all sorts of wood :)
[15:13:57] <anomynous> cutting speed wears out cutter most. If you can slow down and have bigger feed per tooth you can cut more stuff
[15:14:07] <minibnz> marine ply is surprisingly stable.
[15:14:13] <Loetmichel2> it is
[15:14:24] <Loetmichel2> and its 300kg of marine ply
[15:14:42] <minibnz> yeah that will be fine.. :)
[15:14:54] <Loetmichel2> inside of the base: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4053
[15:14:58] <minibnz> your scarafical top will probably warp more than anything
[15:15:57] <Loetmichel2> its good enough to do aluminium
[15:16:26] <Loetmichel2> not only wood and fr4 /carbon
[15:16:47] <Loetmichel2> it was made to make model plane partsd for a company
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[15:17:05] <minibnz> nice
[15:17:31] <gregcnc> minibnz you've seen hossmachine.info?
[15:17:45] <Loetmichel2> worked for 4++ years
[15:17:54] <Loetmichel2> until i got laiud off
[15:18:07] <minibnz> yeah i was looking at hoss
[15:18:21] <Loetmichel2> ... half a year later my successor managed to break the gantry in half
[15:18:31] <minibnz> he used some spring washers or something exotic like that i have a big arse coil spring..
[15:19:04] <gregcnc> belleville washers are standard ATC material
[15:19:47] <archivist> damned strong springs can be made with belleville washers
[15:20:04] <archivist> stack them to suit the job
[15:21:31] <minibnz> oh cool.. the other problem is that doesnt render properly for me so i can read all the links its a bit annoying.. the text overlays links and pictures its really hard to read some part
[15:23:47] <minibnz> anyways i have a good spring just gotta find out how to compress the damn thing.. :)
[15:23:49] <_methods> OMG they're making 3 more of those infernal transformer movies
[15:24:51] <minibnz> sweet
[15:27:37] <minibnz> they are good switch off movies.. you dont need to think for an hour or two just sit back and enjoy
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[15:28:16] <_methods> that's for sure
[15:28:30] <Loetmichel2> i play elite dangerous trading when i want to "wind down" ;-)
[15:28:52] <Loetmichel2> i dont loike to watch films withpout any story ;)
[15:29:13] <_methods> well those films sure don't have much for story
[15:30:30] <minibnz> oh why oh why must i register to get a damn price...
[15:31:19] <minibnz> its not like prices are a trade secret or anything..
[15:34:23] <minibnz> and when i try and register it tells me that i have to select a state from a non-existant drop down menu wtf...
[15:35:41] <minibnz> all that to see that belleville washers are out of my price range at $128each.....
[15:36:17] <PetefromTn_> Those movies are honestly just a showcase for the technology they use to make all that crazy movement if you ask me. But I enjoy them anyway
[15:36:20] <gregcnc> 128 each?
[15:37:05] <minibnz> yeah blackwoods australia.. wasnt holding my breath.. or maybe they detected the fake email address
[15:38:07] <gregcnc> the size listed on hoss is 0.50 each at mamcaster, certainly you can get them for $1
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[15:38:13] <gregcnc> mcmaster
[15:39:52] <minibnz> mcmaster wont ship to australia.. they refused to take a new account when i tried a while back.. maybe they snapped out of it and will let me now..
[15:40:43] <gregcnc> wht i's saying is there must be source for such a common product
[15:40:48] <_methods> yeah
[15:40:59] <_methods> you're practically in china's basement
[15:41:07] <anomynous> minibnz, different prices depending on where you live? =)
[15:41:15] <anomynous> or collecting accounts
[15:41:20] <anomynous> to send adverts to
[15:41:27] <Erant> minibnz: I got bellevile washers from eBay...
[15:41:29] <minibnz> yeah they are arseholes mining data..
[15:42:01] <_methods> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/20pcs-New-16-8-2-0-6mm-Belleville-Compression-spring-washer-disc-spring/32415032514.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.2.ZKiqG7&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1,searchweb201644_3_505_506_503_504_502_10014_10001_10002_10016_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10004_10009_10008,searchweb201560_1,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6448&btsid=fb1d44a2-15e4-4afb-9c28-a92aadde1b2a
[15:42:02] <anomynous> i think thats a bit different
[15:42:03] <anomynous> :)
[15:42:15] <_methods> jeebus sorry about that link
[15:42:32] <minibnz> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/20-X-Belleville-Compression-spring-concave-convex-washers-13-ID-25mm-OD-Free-Pos-/131722124595?hash=item1eab401d33:g:Lh4AAOSw~bFWQBJi
[15:42:36] <_methods> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/20pcs-New-16-8-2-0-6mm-Belleville-Compression-spring-washer-disc-spring/32415032514.html
[15:42:39] <anomynous> sorry about your sorry
[15:42:42] <minibnz> 20 for $19 delivered..
[15:43:03] <_methods> those aliexpress ones are $7
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[15:43:11] <_methods> free shipping
[15:43:23] <minibnz> have to check the size.. but that will only save me some height.. need to work out how to compress them.
[15:43:38] <Erant> minibnz: What ar you trying to do?
[15:43:53] <_methods> i'm sure they have whatever size you need on ali
[15:44:01] <minibnz> yeah they will.
[15:44:06] <Erant> Get backlash out?
[15:44:16] <_methods> i think he's tryin to make an ATC
[15:44:21] <Erant> Ah
[15:44:22] <minibnz> Erant need to find a way to compress the spring on my collet arbor
[15:44:26] <_methods> and this is for his drawbar
[15:44:41] <minibnz> i think it has 500lb of tension on it
[15:45:00] <minibnz> only needs 5-10mm travel..
[15:45:52] <Erant> This isn't going to be very helpful, but the way I compressed my washers on my leadscrews was using a hollow threaded rod.
[15:46:05] <minibnz> i have a bit coil sping on it at the moment and was looking at the bellvue washers as a backup.
[15:46:36] <minibnz> yeah in need to compress and release these repeatedly automatically
[15:46:43] <Erant> Ah.
[15:46:45] <minibnz> and allow it to spin.
[15:46:45] <PetefromTn_> minibnz I still have that electronic actuator here ;)
[15:47:00] <minibnz> oh the one from surplus.com?
[15:47:13] <PetefromTn_> Don't remember where I got it...
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[15:47:43] <PetefromTn_> its a screw driven actuator that was more than enough to compress the bellevilles for my RF45 R8-TTS setup I was going with
[15:47:53] <minibnz> i'm stil unemployed.. so i can only window shop at the moment. i figure if i think about it for a while i will work out a good way to do it.
[15:48:16] <PetefromTn_> where are you located?
[15:48:16] <minibnz> i have even contemplated making my own driven screw..
[15:48:21] <minibnz> sydney aust.
[15:48:25] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell
[15:48:41] <minibnz> yeah stuck on an island in the sun :)
[15:48:55] <PetefromTn_> I figured if you were in US I would sell it cheap and you could try it LOL
[15:48:56] <minibnz> and loving it until i try and buy stuff :)
[15:49:10] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE to visit Auz
[15:49:11] <minibnz> thanks i appreciate the thought.
[15:49:24] <minibnz> its a nice place to live..
[15:49:37] <PetefromTn_> are the critters as bad as everyone says?
[15:49:44] <minibnz> at least until all these damn nanny state laws build up. but by then i hope to go bush
[15:49:46] <Erant> Having lived in both Europe and the US, each place his it's thing.
[15:50:04] <Erant> *its
[15:50:16] <minibnz> you have to go looking for them.. a can of aerogard instect repelent is your best friend.
[15:50:25] <PetefromTn_> I mean like deadly spiders and whatnot
[15:50:44] <PetefromTn_> because the rest of it looks AMAZING
[15:51:07] <PetefromTn_> I mean it has always been a dream of mine to Dive the Great Barrier Reef etc.
[15:51:28] <minibnz> oh yeah they are nothing to be worried about.. back in the day the redback spider got its name and it stuck.. cuz back then we had outdoor toilets and they would make a home under the seat so you had to keep a can of fly spray out there handy and use it every time :)
[15:51:44] <archivist> ominous shark music starts
[15:51:53] <PetefromTn_> redback spiders deadly?
[15:52:00] <minibnz> snakes on the other hand have a habbit of comeing in an visiting you.
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[15:52:19] <PetefromTn_> what kinda snakes?
[15:52:21] <minibnz> yeah they are related to the black widow.. but we have a antivenenom for it.
[15:54:17] <minibnz> the two that most people see are the red belly black and the brown. both are agressive as hell.. in general one is good to keep around as it keeps the other away.. they are not fatal but the most common one we hear about..
[15:55:11] <minibnz> the one that you really gotta worry about is the inland tiapan... also known as the 10stepper.. cuz thats all you get after you get bitten.. 10 steps. but they are only found in the upper half the country.
[15:55:35] <PetefromTn_> SHEEIT!!
[15:56:10] <PetefromTn_> where do you live?
[15:56:26] <minibnz> and the big thing to worry about in the oceans down here is the box jelly fish.. they are the size of a matchbox at most but have 18foot tenticles that sting like there is no tomorrow they can kill you but not really fast..
[15:56:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have heard about the box jellies
[15:56:48] <PetefromTn_> scary
[15:57:10] <minibnz> i am on the edge of sydney CBD.. but i go bush as often as i can find the time.. once a month is the goal..
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[15:57:49] <minibnz> yeah a box jelly sting is the only reason i would be happy to have my mate piss on me.. it helps to dull the pain...
[15:58:13] <PetefromTn_> hehe
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[15:58:35] <archivist> a few get eaten by sharks each year down there
[15:58:36] <PetefromTn_> I once stepped in a bed of sea urchins in a lagoon down in Florida at my Mother's Company picnic
[15:58:36] <minibnz> probably my biggest fear when i go bush is ticks.. gotta get the GF to inspect every inch of me when i get home.. its not that bad :)
[15:58:55] <PetefromTn_> lemme tell you THAT SUCKED
[15:59:05] <PetefromTn_> I was swimming and tired for a moment
[15:59:13] <PetefromTn_> so I stood up in the neck deep water
[15:59:22] <PetefromTn_> immediately felt the pain on my foot
[15:59:36] <minibnz> yeah we have been seeing a lot more shark attacks of late but its the swimmers/surfers fault 90% of the time.. early morn late evening is when the sharks are most active.. you should be in a pool at that time..
[15:59:45] <PetefromTn_> I kinda swam a foot or so to get away from whatever it was and put my other foot down to inspect my injured foot
[16:00:08] <PetefromTn_> and of course stepped on yet ANOTHER urchin
[16:00:11] <minibnz> dang.. they are nasty looking.
[16:00:18] <PetefromTn_> I had to swim to the shore
[16:00:27] <PetefromTn_> and crawl on my hands and knees
[16:00:32] <PetefromTn_> back to the picnic
[16:00:40] <PetefromTn_> and they took me to the hospital
[16:00:49] <PetefromTn_> hurt like a bitch
[16:01:03] <PetefromTn_> especially when they put the iodine and other goodies on it
[16:01:28] <PetefromTn_> could not walk for several weeks
[16:01:33] <minibnz> if you do come down dont let your kids play in the rock pools at the beach alone.. we have a blue ringed octopus thats pretty and deadly..
[16:01:42] <PetefromTn_> and apparently they can't remove the quills
[16:02:05] <PetefromTn_> so they kind of get absorbed by your body over time
[16:02:08] <minibnz> yeah those quils have spikes going backwards they gotta split you open to get them out...
[16:02:21] <PetefromTn_> for all I know they are still in there ;)
[16:02:23] <minibnz> biggest issue is the infection
[16:02:29] <PetefromTn_> yup exactly
[16:02:54] <minibnz> yeah we may look stupid swiming in crocs but meh...
[16:02:57] <PetefromTn_> that ringed octopus
[16:03:12] <PetefromTn_> is that the same one in the movie Octopussy?
[16:03:46] <PetefromTn_> you swim with Crocs????
[16:04:03] <minibnz> heheh nah its a tiny little oto that you find in rock pools.. has little blue circles on it so kids want to play with it.. when they bite thats it you pretty much done if you dont get to hospital..
[16:04:23] <minibnz> hehehe croc shoes.. you know those go awful plastic sandal things..
[16:04:51] <PetefromTn_> I mean we have alligators in South Florida but they are apparently not supposed to be as aggressive as Crocs
[16:05:11] <PetefromTn_> OH you meant the shoes DOH
[16:05:15] <minibnz> and the only lizzard type crocs you should swim with are the fresh water crocs.. they dont like the taste of humans.. but the saltwater ones can also be in fresh water too.. just to keep you on your toes..
[16:05:17] <PetefromTn_> I didn't catch that
[16:05:27] <_methods> unless someone throws it thru your window
[16:05:28] <_methods> lol
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[16:05:35] <minibnz> heheheeh
[16:05:38] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[16:05:59] <PetefromTn_> so there are quite a few deadly crawlies down there it seems
[16:06:08] <minibnz> its pretty easy to work out if there are crocs in the water.. just let the mother inlaw go first..
[16:06:16] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[16:06:19] <_methods> buwhahaha
[16:06:19] <archivist> https://www.rt.com/usa/331920-wendys-alligator-florida-attack/
[16:06:21] <minibnz> yeah but they keep to themselves mostly..
[16:06:24] <PetefromTn_> bring you some chicken
[16:06:28] <_methods> archivist: that's the one
[16:06:47] <archivist> he want to move to florida :)
[16:07:00] <PetefromTn_> I was kind of surprised they now have peacock Bass in Florida
[16:07:04] <minibnz> oh wow.. they musta really screwed his order..
[16:07:09] <PetefromTn_> which is a South American species
[16:07:35] <minibnz> better a bass than a aligator gar fish. .they look nasty...
[16:07:39] <PetefromTn_> they get BIG and are quite aggressive feeders and fight like hell
[16:07:43] <archivist> croc with your fries sir?
[16:08:08] <PetefromTn_> The alligator gar is not here in tennessee apparently but I would love to catch one those things get big
[16:08:19] <PetefromTn_> but I have never heard of one attacking anyone
[16:08:35] <minibnz> oh and to top things off here.. we also have bull sharks in some of the rivers... they migrated when we had a major flood in QLD and moved inland and are breeding in the river without ever going to sea like they do in the rest of the world...
[16:08:55] <PetefromTn_> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BfPVNS1ZZ78/maxresdefault.jpg :D
[16:09:24] <minibnz> that river monster show said they are in the US but back in the day were hunted to near extinction to stop them attacking but they found they are comming back..
[16:09:26] <PetefromTn_> oh shit the bull shark is the most aggressive
[16:09:40] <minibnz> yeah they are nasty units..
[16:09:42] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah we have bull sharks too
[16:10:01] <PetefromTn_> in fact on that show he caught a big one in Fort Pierce Inlet as I recall
[16:10:04] <minibnz> i used to like the fact there was not much in a river that would hurt you..
[16:10:39] <minibnz> now i know there might be a bull shark in there it worries me.. gotta collect up some stray cats and use them as bait..
[16:10:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah that has never really been the case here. If its not sharks or deadly snakes it is bacteria that eats your brain LOL
[16:11:24] <minibnz> oh and i though you had it easy with only the guberment after you..
[16:11:43] <PetefromTn_> even here in Tennessee going down the river you see a lot of snakes sunning on the rocks... some of which are venomous
[16:12:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah we're screwed :D
[16:12:40] <minibnz> there is a famous picture of a snake up in the top end (the kimberly) of a snake dragging a full sized kangaroo out of the river.. a roo full size can weight 150kgs..
[16:13:04] <minibnz> the snake is a olive that is about 30feet long..
[16:13:11] <archivist> a roo will give you a good kicking
[16:13:17] <minibnz> it normally libes in the bush not the water..
[16:13:37] <PetefromTn_> maybe he was hungry?
[16:13:43] <minibnz> back in the 20's they used to full on box with them and loose...
[16:14:24] <minibnz> yeah that snake wouldnt have had to eat for a long time after that.. my mate has an oilve thats 18feet loong he feeds it rabbits..
[16:14:54] <minibnz> its a nice snake very placid.. unlike my black and gold jungle python that likes to tell you he's the boss..
[16:15:34] <PetefromTn_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3273989/Tourists-gasp-horror-jaguar-leaps-river-disappears-murky-water-emerges-CAIMAN-mouth.html
[16:15:47] <minibnz> that said i have only been bitten three times and i deserved it each time.. twice i was drunk an he was sleeping. the other time i got between him and his dinner..
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[16:17:08] <PetefromTn_> screw that noise if I ever had a pet and it bit me I would be enjoying it for dinner man ;)
[16:17:09] <minibnz> dang he was hungry..
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[16:19:49] <PetefromTn_> well I got some parts to machine here. Orders came in last night....
[16:20:17] <minibnz> its natural... you can train them to some degree.. its just a matter of ahndleing it more often.. i used to get itt out of its tank twice a week but now its only for feeding.. i should play with my snake more an get it used to it again
[16:20:30] <minibnz> yeah its 3am here im going to bed..
[16:20:37] <minibnz> talk with you all later..
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[16:33:01] <Sync> gah
[16:33:04] <Sync> goddamn nema plugs
[16:33:29] <_methods> ?
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[16:35:41] <Sync> http://sync-hv.de/projects/3phase_troller/emi_rekt.jpg it left a nice dent in my power supply _methods
[16:36:01] <_methods> oh ouch
[16:38:18] <FloppyDisk> The seal doesn't look broken - you're good.
[16:38:23] <skunkworks> out plan for a spindle encoder on the matsurra.. http://imgur.com/a/UvDnl
[16:38:30] <skunkworks> our
[16:38:31] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/hvo/5444603753.html 2005 Wirtgen W2000 Milling Machine
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[16:39:32] <_methods> not the milling machine you're looking for
[16:39:36] <FloppyDisk> skunkworks - looks good, I think that's the 'bottom' near the tool. maybe you can show morepix when you get it together.
[16:39:56] <_methods> is that the spindle shaft coupler?
[16:40:22] <skunkworks> the top part is part of the tool ejection puller
[16:40:30] <skunkworks> (split peice)
[16:40:32] <_methods> ahh
[16:40:57] <skunkworks> there isn't much room in there. so - if this works - it will fit
[16:42:22] <archivist> I had no space on the hobbing machine, so it is further up the gear train
[16:45:20] <skunkworks> vbelt driven.. If all else fails - it could go on the motor assuming it is 1:1
[16:46:49] <archivist> vbelts (and their slip) force where you put something
[16:47:40] <archivist> I made a disk encoder for the 5 axis which is fitted on the spindle v pulley
[16:48:40] <skunkworks> right - cradek has proven that if the belts are tight - putting it on the spindle motor works great for the short time you are syncing for rigid tapping
[16:49:54] <cradek> yeah it's not perfect, but it works ok for tapping on my machine
[16:50:21] <cradek> I also just hooked A to index so it starts wherever
[16:51:43] <skunkworks> which works great if you don't peck tap.. ;)
[16:55:12] <cradek> also you couldn't ever stick a lathe part in the spindle and hope to thread it
[16:55:31] <cradek> which I can actually imagine wanting to do
[16:55:44] <cradek> like maybe cutting threads on a toolholder
[16:59:45] <skunkworks> the gear isn't going to be perfectly quadrature... see if that is an issue
[17:00:18] <cradek> bet if you cut down the peaks it would be closer
[17:00:36] <cradek> and maybe adjusting the sensor distance would affect it
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[17:05:49] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: is your matsuura the 500v2?
[17:09:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DAEWOO-PUMA-8-CNC-LATHE-FANUC-10T-EXCELLENT-/172091591594 US $2,550, Shipping: $29.59 !!!
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[17:11:33] <CaptHindsight> CAN LOAD FOR FREE
[17:13:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hurco-MB2-CNC-milling-machine-/262285323231 US $850 has 7 for sale
[17:14:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hurco-CNC-MB1-milling-machine-/262284958352 US $1,400
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[17:17:54] <Simonious> What does a typical SolidCam installation cost?
[17:18:32] <Simonious> Also... does fusion 360 handle a 4th axis now?
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[17:23:39] <maxcnc> hi from a sunny day in germany
[17:25:25] <maxcnc> Simonious: about 1500Euros for solidcam 1Jear
[17:25:48] <maxcnc> year full suport including post mashining support
[17:26:11] <maxcnc> Simonious: what is your main work to be
[17:26:23] <maxcnc> prozessed
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[17:28:49] <Erant> Huh
[17:28:56] <Erant> Any opinions on this guy: http://www.wttool.com/index/page/product/product_id/43598/product_name/Jet+Hobby+Lathe&update_continue_shopping=true
[17:28:59] <Erant> ?
[17:29:08] <Jymmm> Electric hoverboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhQIVBkSxcI
[17:29:49] <archivist> Erant, a bit tiny for the price
[17:30:16] <Erant> archivist: It's give-or-take what the Chinese ones sell for.
[17:30:40] <archivist> I would not be getting new chinese
[17:30:51] <Erant> Right, I'm not.
[17:31:05] <Erant> I figured this being JET maybe it's better?
[17:31:24] <CaptHindsight> one must have the eyes of a fly, patience of a saint, and the speed of the mantis to get the best deals
[17:31:38] <enleth> or look for someone who imports Siegs as Siegs
[17:32:06] <enleth> supposedly they select better units for suppliers who don't rebrand
[17:32:28] <Erant> I'm not in a particular hurry, I just browse around.
[17:33:56] <DaViruz> that is most definitely a sieg c1, i believe they usually go for way less than that?
[17:34:02] <archivist> over here we get the real thing http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Lathes
[17:34:38] <maxcnc> erant if you are in the US look at homedepo for a 499 one and refit it to cnc
[17:34:40] <archivist> discontinued model :)
[17:35:19] <DaViruz> http://www.siegind.com/products_detail/&productId=145.html
[17:35:20] <maxcnc> the liniars are real good rotwell from germany
[17:35:23] <DaViruz> what a strange contraption
[17:35:38] <DaViruz> a single rod bed like that can'
[17:35:41] <DaViruz> t be very good
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[17:35:53] <Erant> DaViruz: I'd find it hard to believe JET would hang their name on a Sieg... But maybe I'm overestimating JET?
[17:36:04] <DaViruz> i have no idea what JET is
[17:36:31] <maxcnc> DaViruz: do you think than can stand hardwood ;-(
[17:36:42] <Erant> Semi-respected brand in the US.
[17:36:45] <archivist> DaViruz, that looks like a crap thing from the 1920s
[17:36:59] <t12> theres sure alot of cnc shops on instagram
[17:37:11] <DaViruz> archivist: i thought so too
[17:37:26] <maxcnc> archivist i dont think in that time sutch mashines where even thinked about mass steel used at that time
[17:37:27] <DaViruz> maybe they can produce it super cheap or something
[17:38:23] <archivist> there were a few british round beds in the 1920's 30s
[17:38:30] <maxcnc> archivist are you eurrop based
[17:38:36] <archivist> UK
[17:38:43] <enleth> Erant: funny, Siegs are actually the best small chinese lathes
[17:38:53] <Erant> enleth: I don't doubt it.
[17:39:06] <enleth> Erant: *if* you pay them enough, you will get a rather decent machine that's still quite cheap
[17:39:25] <enleth> But the one you linked wasn't just a C1, it was a butchered shitty C1
[17:39:32] <maxcnc> archivist there is a rotwell edm 350 at the stores in the uk
[17:39:39] <Erant> But from what I hear it's better to pick something like a decent Atlas over a new Sieg.
[17:39:44] <maxcnc> rotwerk
[17:39:53] <archivist> DaViruz, http://www.lathes.co.uk/wade%20cva/
[17:39:57] <archivist> I had one
[17:40:00] <enleth> They clearly told Sieg "hey you chinese people, give us the cheapest small lathe you can do" and they delivered this
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[17:40:08] <Erant> If I was going to get a Sieg, I'd get this one: http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4959&category=1271799306
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[17:40:26] <DaViruz> archivist: there must be pretty high pressures on whatever keeps the saddle from swinging around
[17:40:27] <maxcnc> nice
[17:40:44] <enleth> Erant: good choice, the price seems about right too
[17:41:00] <archivist> DaViruz, you have to hope the slot down the tube is ok
[17:41:02] <enleth> Erant: although I'd look for a bigger one
[17:41:27] <DaViruz> seems like it'd be very prone to wear, with pretty catastrophic results
[17:41:51] <Erant> I don't have a ton of space in my garage, so I sort of would top out at a Compact 8.
[17:41:53] <CaptHindsight> t12: well it would be silly for them to be on snapchat
[17:41:54] <archivist> I used mine once only, chattered to hell
[17:42:53] <enleth> Erant: the problem with getting a good, used, locally build lathe is that no one made home shop-sized lathes in the past
[17:43:12] <DaViruz> sure they did
[17:43:14] <enleth> it's either tiny watchmaker's lathes or 400kg+ tool lathes
[17:43:25] <t12> snapchat is just for machine crashes
[17:43:27] <DaViruz> oh locally
[17:43:34] <archivist> southbend and atlas
[17:43:44] <Erant> enleth: It's pretty much an Atlas 618, or an Enco Compact 8.
[17:43:44] <CaptHindsight> you much lighter and it's a toy that chatters and flexes
[17:43:49] <archivist> to name two over there
[17:43:57] <CaptHindsight> and it hard to find someone just giving it away
[17:44:00] <Erant> archivist: Haven't found any small southbends yet.
[17:44:05] <Erant> They're all big.
[17:44:18] <CaptHindsight> small is 1K lbs
[17:44:34] <archivist> the 9" is a bench mount
[17:44:40] <CaptHindsight> old shopsmiths and sears metal lathes
[17:44:41] <malcom2073> Southbend 9 is about 300lbs
[17:44:41] <enleth> Maybe in the US there is something because home shop culture is a bit older there, but I bet finding a 150-200kg lathe suitable for home use is still hard over there
[17:44:43] <malcom2073> whatever that is in kg
[17:44:53] <Erant> ~150
[17:44:55] <enleth> In Europe? Close to impossible
[17:45:11] <archivist> Myfords in UK
[17:45:34] <enleth> And some rare German stuff on the continent
[17:45:41] <Erant> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/tls/5441434691.html
[17:45:52] <Erant> Which, that one I'd hate to use because it's so pretty.
[17:45:59] <archivist> hundreds to search for http://www.lathes.co.uk/
[17:46:31] <archivist> Schaublin and Lorch for clockmakers
[17:46:47] <maxcnc> enleth: you can get a traub all over europ
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[17:47:07] <Erant> enleth: And I was looking at this guy, but there's some transportation issues: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/tls/5404331205.html
[17:47:11] <enleth> BTW, I found a mid-sized 1912 tool lathe in pristine condition on an auction site here in Poland, approx. $2k, almost took a loan to buy it
[17:47:15] <DaViruz> http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz10/romyald/schaublin%20102n/Schaublin001.jpg
[17:47:22] <enleth> It was absolutely beautiful and fully operational.
[17:47:27] <DaViruz> did someone decide to just chop it off, or did they make a model like that?
[17:47:34] <archivist> dont touch hobbymat MD65 with a barge pole
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[17:48:08] <Erant> And I'm going to wave at this guy as it goes by for $6k: http://www.ashmancompany.com/auctions/021716/03.jpg
[17:48:49] <enleth> Erant: that Atlas looks easy enough to move, what's the problem?
[17:49:17] <CaptHindsight> if maker spaces had large surface plates then people might be able to build precision machines for less
[17:49:55] <enleth> CaptHindsight: define large
[17:50:01] <Erant> enleth: It's far away, I'm current car license-less, the wife isn't up for driving 6 total hours to go get me more greasy metal and the quotes for getting it moved are about as much as the thing is worth.
[17:50:08] <CaptHindsight> $2k for a cnc glue gun would be better spent on a large surface plate
[17:50:26] <enleth> heh
[17:50:31] <CaptHindsight> 1m x 1m or larger
[17:51:30] <enleth> I can get a brand new granite 1x1 for a lot less than that I think, and I'm actually seriously considering that for the Hackerspace shop
[17:51:42] <t12> also if everything at maker spaces wasnt trashed
[17:53:35] <enleth> t12: I've heard a lot of drama stories about SF area hacker/makerspaces, but from my experience, this is manageable
[17:54:10] <Erant> There's a couple of places that are good. TechShop is great in my experience.
[17:54:11] <enleth> people do dumb things with shared equipment when it's not properly and clearly labeled and it's not obvious where to put things back
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[17:54:39] <enleth> especially putting things back where they belong needs a very clear and obvious system
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[17:55:26] <CaptHindsight> Hackerspace orientation class #1: Organization, cleaning and safety
[17:55:35] <DaViruz> i tend to have my things in a mess
[17:55:58] <DaViruz> but at work i never make messes. it doesn't work when more people are involved
[17:56:00] <enleth> when it takes more than 5 seconds to figure out where to put something, people drop it wherever possible
[17:56:23] <DaViruz> i wish my coworkers shared that sentiment though
[17:56:33] <CaptHindsight> #2 How to share space, equipment and ideas without being a douche
[17:56:43] <enleth> so tools need to be color coded with heatshrinks on the handles, for example
[17:56:54] <enleth> and tool cabinets need to be painted the same color all over
[17:57:34] <enleth> also, one absolutely indispensable thing is a big "DON'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT SOMETHING? LEAVE IT HERE!" box
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[17:57:51] <enleth> it's *much* better to have clueless people put random shit in one place than all over the place
[17:57:54] <CaptHindsight> #3: Did I ask for your advice? And how not to irritate people.
[17:57:59] <DaViruz> enleth: that's a pretty good idea actually
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[17:58:22] <enleth> and it's *much* easier for someone who actually knows where things belong to sort a single box than to gather a shitload of stuff from all over the place
[17:58:39] <enleth> they need to do that anyway, so why not make it easier
[17:59:28] <DaViruz> until someone knows well where everything belongs, and just dumps it all in the box because he cant be bothered to put them in their correct locations
[17:59:28] <enleth> I guess the random shit drop box is even more important than labeling cabinets and tools
[17:59:47] <enleth> DaViruz: they will be caught eventually
[18:00:00] <CaptHindsight> easy, big box marked TOOLS
[18:00:10] <enleth> if they know where things belong, they probably are regulars
[18:00:32] <CaptHindsight> wouldn't a tool go back to where it came from?
[18:00:36] <enleth> the problem is with people who are members and drop by every two weeks in the morning to cut something
[18:00:37] <DaViruz> it belongs whereever you take it out from usually
[18:00:57] <CaptHindsight> or do people randomly just take tools from someones workspace?
[18:01:06] <enleth> not if you genuinly need to use a few dozen tools at once for a whole day
[18:01:22] <enleth> woodworking tools are prone to this
[18:02:00] <enleth> you need a huge amount of clamps, chisels, planes, several hammers and an assortment of other crap, all at the same time, for at least several hours, maybe more
[18:02:19] <enleth> a human can keep track of, like, four objects at a time
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[18:02:29] <CaptHindsight> RFID all tools and then have a pinger go faster or slower based on how close it it to its storage locations
[18:02:50] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: <-- GEEK
[18:02:58] <enleth> get 25 and even the best of us will not be able to focus on putting them back where they came from over and over again
[18:03:09] <DaViruz> most makerspaces i've seen have been 3d printer and arduino communities. if it was a pretty decent workshop it would be pretty useful
[18:03:10] <archivist> just found some useful data http://anglo-swiss-tools.co.uk/downloads/
[18:03:35] <CaptHindsight> color code everything
[18:03:52] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: <-- FASHION GEEK
[18:04:04] <archivist> barcode and a map
[18:04:37] <CaptHindsight> have weekly contest for: things best put away
[18:05:04] <maxcnc> on tooling i did the best way organice a toolsupplyer next to your shop to open a shop COOL
[18:05:33] <Jymmm> Have it all look like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8nbHYOc8ns
[18:05:40] <maxcnc> so only 60yards walk to paradise
[18:06:34] <enleth> DaViruz: https://hackerspace.pl/~informatic/photos/warsztat/IMG_6316%20-%20IMG_6331-better.jpg https://hackerspace.pl/~informatic/photos/warsztat2/IMG_6399%20-%20IMG_6410.jpg - quite old photos but I don't have anything more recent. There are some new machines there now
[18:07:59] <enleth> DaViruz: this room is exactly 1/4 of the Warsaw Hackerspace's floor space, not much, but enough for a team of several people to work on something bigger and one or two other members doing something smaller
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[18:10:02] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight: yes
[18:10:22] <CaptHindsight> enleth: I don't follow you. What are the 25 tool spread out over?
[18:10:51] <enleth> CaptHindsight: the floor for example
[18:11:09] <enleth> CaptHindsight: like when we were working on a desktop MAME arcade cabinet
[18:11:20] <CaptHindsight> I easily have that many or more on my bench at any time and I can find their home near instantly
[18:12:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: The difference is that you give a shit.
[18:13:13] <enleth> CaptHindsight: but you know what they are and use them all the time - a shared shop is often used by people who are not entirely familliar with the tools and don't have the layout memorized
[18:14:06] <enleth> but they have to learn *somewhere* so I won't just tell them to bugger off and keep out of the room
[18:14:33] <Jymmm> I bet if you charged a $5 deposit per tool removed, it would get organized PDQ!
[18:15:29] <CaptHindsight> or had to wear a suit containing ferrets for not returning them to their proper location at the end of the day
[18:15:29] <enleth> one thing I will probably put in a locked cabinet opened with a member card are the indicators, calipers, mikes, etc.
[18:15:34] <enleth> too expensive and delicate
[18:15:42] <_methods> hahah
[18:15:54] <_methods> you PUT ON ZE FERRET SACK NOOOWOWWWWWW
[18:15:58] <enleth> other than that, the dump box is fine
[18:16:06] <CaptHindsight> enleth: do they leave the space or just not get stored properly?
[18:16:47] <enleth> CaptHindsight: they're not idiot proof and are too easily damaged by someone inexperienced or careless
[18:17:05] <enleth> it's one thing if some kludge drops a hammer, it's another when they drop a mike
[18:17:20] <Jymmm> enleth: Make this a project for storing gear https://logisticsmgepsupv.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/vending-9.jpg
[18:18:00] <Jymmm> enleth: they get charged a deposit for removing an itme, and refunded when it's returned to it's proper cubbyhole
[18:18:49] <enleth> as for the dump box - when I sort that stuff I usually get one of the new guys to help me
[18:19:05] <enleth> so they learn where the tools should be
[18:19:12] <Loetmichel2> enleth: depends on the mike thp
[18:19:14] <enleth> sometimes even what the tools are and how to call them
[18:19:14] <Loetmichel2> tho
[18:19:34] <Loetmichel2> an SM58 is not damaged by a fall smaller than a dozen feet or so ;)
[18:19:39] <enleth> a few rounds and they're able to figure out where to put what
[18:19:55] <_methods> i think you should just put people in the ferret sack anyways
[18:20:05] <_methods> best CaptHindsight idea ever
[18:20:07] <enleth> also, sometimes people genuinely are in a hurry when they did not expect it
[18:20:26] <enleth> in that case it's better to use the dump box than to leave shit scattered about
[18:21:07] <enleth> and just drop an email like "sorry for leaving all that stuff, someone sort it and ask me for a beer"
[18:21:24] <Jymmm> enleth: Charge them a "Momma doens't work here" fee =)
[18:21:34] <enleth> that's the beer
[18:22:52] <Jymmm> Isnt that how most toolrooms do it... you have them a chip with employee# on it
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[18:23:21] <Jymmm> you want to checkout a tool, hand them a chip
[18:26:10] <enleth> Jymmm: if you have someone sitting there handling that, sure
[18:26:30] <enleth> automating this is an option but it gets very expensive very fast
[18:27:14] <enleth> lots and lots of RFID=/NFC/barcode/whatever readers and solenoids or whatever actuators are needed to keep something locked
[18:27:39] <Jymmm> enleth: stun guns are cheap =)
[18:28:15] <enleth> tell me about it
[18:28:42] <CaptHindsight> so should I use 20 or 22ga SS?
[18:28:46] <enleth> during the banggood sale they sold integrated stun gun step-up converters for a dollar
[18:28:54] <enleth> we got a bunch of those
[18:28:57] <enleth> fun stuff
[18:29:08] <Jymmm> electrify each section, they have to swipe a badge or getzapped
[18:30:13] <enleth> but they're loud as fuck when they arc
[18:30:54] <_methods> CaptHindsight: for what?
[18:31:00] <_methods> for teh ferret box?
[18:31:01] <Jymmm> AWESOME built in indicator that someone fubar'ed =)
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[19:01:31] <CaptHindsight> http://images.craigslist.org/00N0N_d6mVAZHrOXw_600x450.jpg pre-70's bandsaw?
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[19:09:13] <_methods> old portaband
[19:09:38] <maxcnc> im off Gn8
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[19:09:56] <FinboySlick> The liight on the sawblade makes it look like someone made a moebius strip.
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[19:20:18] <CaptHindsight> ordered SSR boards compatible with *duino got Mega2560's
[19:23:17] <gregcnc> did you find your buttons?
[19:24:33] <CaptHindsight> Steiner for immediate needs
[19:25:06] <CaptHindsight> also decided to order a few of everything just to have on hand
[19:25:59] <gregcnc> postman should be bring me relays, disconnect, and breakers from ebay today
[19:26:11] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: need anything from metal supermarkets? making a run later
[19:27:45] <gregcnc> not at this time. how long to have an order ready with them?
[19:29:22] <CaptHindsight> I just show up by 4
[19:29:30] <CaptHindsight> at Rockford
[19:29:52] <CaptHindsight> unless it's lots of cuts
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[19:55:01] <pink_vampire> hi
[19:56:12] <gregcnc> did you find a power supply?
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[20:06:18] <pink_vampire> yes
[20:07:21] <pink_vampire> gregcnc: ^
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[20:50:10] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIJJEDTZFW0 - fun
[20:50:17] <SpeedEvil> dead endmill reuse
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[20:54:12] <rob_h> i knew griding the ends into lathe tools was a waste of time next time i know what todo
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[21:07:28] <Limix> Hi
[21:07:33] <Crom> there you is..
[21:08:06] <Crom> Limix is looking to build a press with 0.1mm resulution and needs a consultant
[21:08:16] <Limix> Thank you Crom
[21:08:38] <Limix> yes, we are based in Los Angeles, but open to working with anyone remotely
[21:09:10] <Crom> AndyPugh is gone for 10 days skiing. He's the real brains here
[21:09:30] <Crom> XXCoder is real good too
[21:09:30] <Limix> thank you Crom
[21:09:57] <Crom> Yuck, LA booo hisss I'm in Riverside county, Temecula
[21:10:28] <Limix> not too far
[21:10:47] <Crom> though I must say, I have to go to the fashion district at least once a year to get fabric/hoops, supplies
[21:11:08] <_methods> i think i'll just keep sending the broken endmills out for carbide scrap lol
[21:12:14] <Crom> Limix, what size restraints are you looking?
[21:12:51] <Crom> looking at
[21:13:21] <Limix> I need to press out about a 15 inch ball of dough
[21:13:24] <Limix> to 3mm
[21:13:44] <Limix> it’s a very stiff mix and requires about 800 pounds
[21:14:16] <Crom> so it also has to be foodsafe
[21:14:16] <Limix> I built a manual hand press with about 7’ of handle for leverage but it doesn’t work well enough
[21:14:22] <Limix> yes
[21:14:41] <_methods> so you already have the die and press chamber designed?
[21:14:48] <Crom> 15" ball to 3mm thick, how big of circle?
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[21:15:26] <Limix> Sorry Crom, wish I came here earlier, I have to run, but will be back in a few hours and will try to catch you again
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[21:15:57] <Crom> anyone should be able to help a bit _methods is real good too
[21:16:51] <_methods> sounds like he has a lot of the work done already
[21:19:04] <rob_h> making cookies :)
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[21:20:04] <Crom> anyone should be able to help a bit _methods is real good too
[21:23:00] <_methods> stop tellin lies about me
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[21:26:04] <srdc> I just finished(?) converting from Anilam Crusader GX-M control to LinuxCNC with Mesa 5i25/7i77 setup...I ran into some problems during a peck drill cycle with the z-axis stopping motion, while the GUI kept reading out velocity as if it was still pecking.
[21:26:24] <Erant> srdc: Did your drive fault?
[21:26:31] <srdc> No.
[21:26:39] <srdc> I'll double check, but I don't think so
[21:26:45] <srdc> Because it's connected to the E-Stop circuit
[21:26:59] <srdc> So if the drive faulted, it should have de-enabled all drives.
[21:27:08] <Erant> Hmm. That's usually what it is for me...
[21:27:28] <Erant> Could you jog the axis manually after?
[21:27:28] <srdc> Good point tho ... I'm doubting myself now. I'll double-hceck to make sure.
[21:27:31] <srdc> No.
[21:27:37] <srdc> Not until I disabled/re-enabled.
[21:27:47] <srdc> Hmmm...
[21:28:02] <Erant> Herp. That sucks. I have to cycle power on mine when a drive faults.
[21:28:18] <srdc> That does seem like a drive fault. I was using a large-diameter (dull) bit ... maybe it was loading it too much.
[21:28:18] <Erant> (But that's just 'cause I'm lazy and haven't hooked up the RS485 yet)
[21:28:22] <srdc> LOL
[21:28:30] <srdc> Lemme look again now that you mentioned that.
[21:28:51] <srdc> Also ... M3 doesn't activate the spindle-cw, but the GUI button does... any idea on that?
[21:29:06] <Erant> Eh, _methods?
[21:29:14] <Erant> I have set up my spindle to my Mesa yet.
[21:29:18] <Erant> Haven't*
[21:29:53] <srdc> I'll hafta look into that more. Off to check into that drive fault ...
[21:29:56] <rob_h> paste your hal sure someone can spot it
[21:30:05] <srdc> Will do ...
[21:30:11] <srdc> hafta go get it off the controller computer
[21:30:15] <srdc> I'll be back...
[21:30:16] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:53:03] <witnit> Last night was fun guys, I have a 7i33 driving a turret lathe, then wired in an old 6 axis motoman robot, vibrating bowl, pneumatic vise and auto drilling head and had them all running together :)
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