#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-02-09

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[00:02:17] <t12> anyone know a solvent for selectively dissolving uncured loctite threadlocker
[00:02:22] <t12> but not damaging cured
[00:08:23] <enleth> t12: http://www.loctiteproducts.com/contact-us.shtml - supposedly, they might actually be able to help
[00:09:31] <enleth> I called another adhesive supplier once and they did give me similar information without any fuss
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[00:22:31] <JT-Shop> quickbooks is so fuxking annoying I want to kill something
[00:23:14] <Tom_itx> why are you using it over quicken?
[00:23:37] <JT-Shop> I have no clue except my buddy gave me a copy years ago...
[00:23:47] <JT-Shop> do you use quicken?
[00:23:48] <Tom_itx> i've been using quicken for years
[00:24:01] <Tom_itx> i even import stuff to it from my programs
[00:24:16] <t12> enleth: thanks
[00:24:26] <t12> doing an acetone test first
[00:24:27] <Tom_itx> i still use a dos version
[00:24:41] <t12> appears to dissole the uncured loctites in a jar, now testing with cured
[00:24:44] <Tom_itx> why? because it works and does what i need
[00:24:53] <Lowridah> dos lol
[00:25:00] <Lowridah> cnc guys sure do love using really old crap
[00:25:12] <Tom_itx> Lowridah, i can complete the job in dos before windows ever boots
[00:25:21] <Lowridah> well there's part of the problem
[00:25:25] <Lowridah> you're booting a computer
[00:25:55] <Tom_itx> it's not reliable enough not to
[00:26:03] <enleth> so 90s
[00:26:23] <Tom_itx> i run probably 6 or more os here
[00:26:36] <Tom_itx> whatever suits the job
[00:26:54] <enleth> I got so bored checking the uptime on my laptop that I stopped doing that like a year ago. who reboots their stuff nowadays?
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[00:27:10] <enleth> (yeah, kernel upgrades)
[00:27:30] * malcom2073 waits for enleth to break out a system stats irc script
[00:27:34] <malcom2073> :P
[00:27:59] <enleth> nah, not into that
[00:29:03] <enleth> I just remember how things were even 10 years ago when people bragged about their uptimes
[00:29:51] <malcom2073> Heh, people still do it
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[00:31:29] <malcom2073> You just gotta hang out with people 10 years younger than you to see it :P
[00:31:57] <enleth> that might make some sense
[00:32:01] <enleth> I was 16 at the time
[00:35:50] <Lowridah> nah the new guys are smart enough to abstract everything off as a service that gets live moved in ram states
[00:35:57] <Lowridah> uptime aint no thang no more
[00:36:53] <Lowridah> soo i have a whole bunch of 3d printers and wanna get into cnc routing
[00:36:58] <Lowridah> would it be a really bad idea to just buy a 6040
[00:37:11] <Lowridah> kinda would like to not assemble a BOM and not spend $4k on a starter machine
[00:38:02] <enleth> Lowridah: a friend made a router out of those. wibbly wobbly shaky twisty.
[00:38:03] <Jymmm> Lowridah: Only if you have a 180+ day uptime
[00:38:30] <Lowridah> i'm sure i have a few systems at work with a few years of uptime
[00:38:41] <Lowridah> some under a load metric of 40 (40 cores) the whole time
[00:38:49] <toastyde1th> haha that is such a paradigm shift, i've never thought about the shift away from uptime
[00:38:54] <enleth> Lowridah: he might have made some mistakes but another friend made a CNC router of similar size out of plywood and the damn thing is rock stable
[00:39:18] <Jymmm> toastyde1th: it's all cloud based don't ya know
[00:39:24] <toastyde1th> hahaha
[00:39:24] <toastyde1th> man
[00:39:33] <toastyde1th> I want to stab people every time they say "cloud" in a meeting
[00:39:41] <toastyde1th> i have managed to train my guys not to say it
[00:39:46] <Lowridah> what if you really do cloud computing?
[00:40:06] * Jymmm hands toastyde1th the ice pick (it's actually made from ice)
[00:40:28] <toastyde1th> my position is that the word itself lacks meaning, and that there's always a better way to describe what's being done
[00:40:31] <_methods> i always picture anyone saying "the cloud" as taco from the league
[00:40:53] <Lowridah> i actually printed out an AWS logo with a clown nose and 'Clown Computing' below it for the office
[00:41:23] <Jymmm> toastyde1th: cloud = to give up all privacy or knowledge of the actual location of your content.
[00:41:26] <Lowridah> but we kinda sorta do deal with cloud concepts
[00:41:31] <enleth> I'd always wanted to have one of the broom closets at the office painted black inside, labeled "CLOUD STORAGE" and wired so that opening of the door enables a stage fog/smoke generator and some dramatic lighting effects
[00:41:44] <enleth> then observe the tie guys notice it and open the door
[00:41:48] <toastyde1th> right, but i still have no idea what you mean by that or what's being done where
[00:41:52] <Lowridah> mostly just the loss of a single point of failure, multipathing, and abstration away from giving a crap what the hardware actually is
[00:41:53] <_methods> TO THE CLOUD!!!!
[00:42:17] <_methods> i think most people in here actually care about the hardware
[00:42:17] <toastyde1th> I run a bunch of different virtualized environments, some on site, some not
[00:42:19] * Jymmm smacks _methods with a lighting bolt or 200
[00:43:01] <toastyde1th> people call everything "cloud." if someone's in two racks they've rented at a coloco facility, they're "cloud." if they're using AWS, they're "cloud"
[00:43:21] <toastyde1th> or even just running two vmware boxes on site, suddenly boom, "cloud"
[00:43:38] <Jymmm> toastyde1th: wth?
[00:43:48] <toastyde1th> hm?
[00:43:58] <Jymmm> toastyde1th: who the hell thinks two VM's is "cloud" ?
[00:44:05] <toastyde1th> two hosts
[00:44:08] <toastyde1th> but lots of people, actually
[00:44:13] <toastyde1th> this is my issue with the term.
[00:44:16] <malcom2073> Technically, anything on the internet is cloud
[00:44:19] <_methods> 2 hosts 1 cup
[00:44:20] <Jymmm> toastyde1th: oh gawd *rolls eyes*
[00:44:27] * Jymmm lol @ _methods
[00:44:32] <malcom2073> I use cloud several times in my resume now :-D
[00:44:41] <toastyde1th> i don't have cloud anywhere in my resume
[00:44:56] <malcom2073> HR chicks dig buzzwords
[00:45:03] * Jymmm adds ANTI-CLOUD to his
[00:45:03] <toastyde1th> yet get phone calls constantly about "HEY U WANT 2 WERK W/ US?!!! CLOUD! DYNAMIC TEAM DRIVEN ENVIRONMENT"
[00:45:25] <malcom2073> toastyde1th: SCRUM AGILE ZOOM!
[00:45:31] <toastyde1th> facebook called me and set up a phone interview
[00:45:37] <toastyde1th> and like 2 minutes into it i couldn't handle it
[00:45:47] <toastyde1th> like, clearly not a good match and just parted ways
[00:45:54] <toastyde1th> amazon's the same way
[00:46:06] <toastyde1th> i cannot handle the kool aid
[00:46:18] <Lowridah> i love amazon
[00:46:31] <Lowridah> depends on which dept you land in i suppose
[00:46:47] <toastyde1th> it has to depend, they're so large
[00:46:48] <malcom2073> Buddy of mine keeps trying to get me to come out west andwork for amazon with him
[00:47:01] <_methods> hahah work at amazon?
[00:47:04] <_methods> you must be insane
[00:47:07] <Lowridah> i have for... 5 years now
[00:47:08] <toastyde1th> the cool thing about amazon is they're willing to train you on whatever they want you to work on
[00:47:09] <Lowridah> almost 6
[00:47:18] <_methods> gotta be the worst company to work for
[00:47:21] <toastyde1th> one of my friends has amazon calling her every ~6 months to be a networking chick
[00:47:29] <_methods> amazon is a total shitfest
[00:47:31] <toastyde1th> she does no networking
[00:47:35] <Lowridah> _methods: based on?
[00:47:51] <_methods> everyone i've ever known
[00:47:53] <Lowridah> i was there as a hardware engineer on loan from supermicro and liked it so much i let them headhunt me
[00:48:05] <toastyde1th> i rly like supermicro gear
[00:48:07] <Lowridah> everyone you've ever known probably worked in business and not tech
[00:48:14] <Lowridah> most actual tech employees i know love amazon
[00:48:15] <Jymmm> Lowridah: how is supermicro to work for?
[00:48:18] <_methods> wow YOU are the first person i've ever heard say a positive thing about amazon
[00:48:19] <Lowridah> most people in like, bizdev suck
[00:48:28] <Lowridah> Jymmm: hated it. i loved the hw, hated the company
[00:48:34] <Lowridah> all the bosses desks were at the entrance
[00:48:41] <Lowridah> so at the end of the day you had to walk past your boss to leave
[00:48:56] <Jymmm> Lowridah: Heh, I remember seeing job posting from them all the time, sounded like working n a production line.
[00:49:15] <Lowridah> well i was a field engineer they sent up to boeing and amazon, i didn't do assembly
[00:49:34] <Lowridah> but they do all their final assembly in fremont and san jose so there's a few manufacturing jobs there i guess
[00:49:39] <Jymmm> Lowridah: these were bench tech repairs it sounded like
[00:49:41] <_methods> it's a skullrange for kids
[00:50:00] <Jymmm> Lowridah: these were in fremont
[00:50:10] <malcom2073> Heh _methods Buddy of mine is fanatical about working for amazon
[00:50:15] <_methods> they'll hire any kid with no experience and then let them work 20 hour days till they meltdown lol
[00:50:20] <malcom2073> However, with the kind of person he is, I'm not shocked. He's uh.... nuts
[00:50:32] <malcom2073> He lives and breathes competitive work environments.
[00:50:35] <Lowridah> you either love amazon or hate it
[00:50:38] <_methods> it's a good place to get something on your resume i guess
[00:50:47] <Lowridah> if you're not competitive and you just wanna work a lazy job you'll hate it
[00:50:48] <Jymmm> love to hate it? hate to love it?
[00:50:51] <enleth> jesus supermicro. just helped troubleshoot one of their rackmount cases retrofitted with a new motherboard. the power supplies were shitting on the 12V rails making the HDDs error out at random. or something.
[00:50:56] <_methods> you'll get hired for another job just because people feel sorry for you lol
[00:51:21] <_methods> mercy hire
[00:51:30] <Lowridah> now that's hyperbole
[00:51:40] <Lowridah> i can't imagine anyone hiring someone for a top tier tech job out of pity
[00:51:41] <Lowridah> come on.
[00:51:54] <Lowridah> actually everything you've said along these lines has been hyperbole
[00:52:14] <_methods> indeed
[00:52:20] <Jymmm> Yeahm this isn't the dot com days anymore where they'll hire you if you say you opened a computer once.
[00:52:22] <malcom2073> Lowridah: Have you never read any of the amazon job articles? There literally isn't a single good one
[00:52:31] <malcom2073> So of course popular opinion is what it is
[00:52:34] <_methods> no he;s drinking the koolaid
[00:52:38] <_methods> so ummmmm
[00:52:47] <_methods> what you think he's going to say
[00:52:56] <Lowridah> malcom2073: did you ever see who they interviewed for those articles?
[00:53:13] <Lowridah> they were slam pieces pure and simple
[00:53:14] <malcom2073> Lowridah: Yeah, the only people who were willing to talk: Those who left
[00:53:31] <Lowridah> no, not the only people willing to talk
[00:53:38] <Lowridah> there were a whole bunch of rebuttals by employees
[00:53:48] <Lowridah> describing the actual people that did the interviews as limp lame and lazy
[00:53:50] <_methods> anyways amazon's shitty work environment is way off-topic so i'll shut up
[00:54:14] <malcom2073> Yeah, none of my concern either, I'll neverk now
[00:54:46] <Lowridah> well i dig it, but i'm sure in a company with a quarter million employees there are quite a few shit departments
[00:54:56] <Lowridah> none of the crying in the bathroom nonsense though
[00:55:12] <malcom2073> That's the truth, any big company has that
[00:57:26] <_methods> yeah i try not to work anywhere that has an actual HR dept
[00:57:55] <_methods> you know your company is going down the drain when they get an HR dept lol
[00:58:16] <malcom2073> Heh
[00:58:40] <malcom2073> I interviewed at a place recently, they had only IT guy who was also an engineer, and one HR person who was... also an engineer. I liked that
[00:59:02] <_methods> yeah i like little places where i have to wear many hats
[00:59:10] <malcom2073> Yeah that's fun
[00:59:14] <_methods> gets old doing the same shit every day
[00:59:18] <_methods> i don't know how people do it
[00:59:34] <_methods> i never know what i'm going to do every day when i come in
[01:00:22] <malcom2073> That's what I'm doing now, it's enjoyable
[01:00:28] <Lowridah> i once worked for a company where the sole HR guy was the owner's boyfriend
[01:00:29] <_methods> yeah
[01:00:32] <Lowridah> i got sued for quitting haha
[01:00:35] <malcom2073> Today, I am 350 miles south of home for the day
[01:00:39] <malcom2073> Lol
[01:00:53] <_methods> yeah friday i was up by jdh
[01:00:59] <_methods> at auction
[01:01:15] <_methods> today i had to go to customer and get dimensions for project
[01:01:27] <_methods> tomorrow i'll draw parts all day and i have to program some cnc parts
[01:01:37] <_methods> after that who knows lol
[01:02:10] <Connor> Lowridah: For quiting? On what grounds ?
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[01:02:53] <Lowridah> Connor: the contract said i had to make reasonable effort to give 6 weeks notice
[01:03:12] <Lowridah> i decided 6 weeks wasn't reasonable, the company i wanted to go to wanted me in 2 weeks, so i gave 2 weeks and got sued
[01:03:32] <malcom2073> Heh, "Reasonable effort? I asked them if I could give 6, they said no, that's reasonable effort!"
[01:03:50] <Lowridah> if you ever downloaded anything from superb.net's sourceforge mirrors, those are the dirty bastards that did it
[01:03:55] <Lowridah> and my sf mirror heh
[01:04:03] <_methods> sourceforge?
[01:04:06] <_methods> the malware site
[01:04:07] <Lowridah> no, superb.net
[01:04:07] <_methods> lol
[01:04:18] <Lowridah> this was back when they were an actual resaonble place to get oss
[01:04:33] <_methods> i'm too scared to go to sourceforge anymore
[01:04:38] <Connor> Reasonable effort huh.. Wonder who gets to determine what is reasonable..
[01:04:42] <Lowridah> before superb.net's employees left and built up github which kinda killed both companies
[01:04:49] <Lowridah> Connor: the judge threw it out with prejudice
[01:04:50] <_methods> i fire up a vm to d/l from them now lol
[01:04:56] <Lowridah> the company tried this with a LOT of employees
[01:05:00] <Connor> Lowridah: Good. He needed to.
[01:05:03] <Lowridah> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1031847
[01:05:12] <Lowridah> i started a thread about it and a bunch of former employees also chimed in
[01:05:21] <Lowridah> no you can't google superb's owners name without finding it
[01:05:32] <Lowridah> don't cross the craigy
[01:06:24] <Lowridah> sorry this is two off topic subjects i've rabbit holed, i'm gonna let you all get back to cnc'ing
[01:07:26] <_methods> i have a 5hp rotary phase converter layin around i hope its enough to run my little horizontal
[01:07:51] <_methods> it's got a 3hp spindle motor, 1hp for the travels and a coolant motor
[01:08:14] <_methods> i think the coolant motor was something weird liek 1/3hp
[01:09:10] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/li9w3payf5iydhd/2016-02-08%2009.02.51.jpg?dl=0
[01:09:13] <_methods> my new toy
[01:09:14] <_methods> hehe
[01:09:35] <_methods> someone drew funny stuff o it
[01:09:38] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6plzpn7uk91wqt1/2016-02-08%2009.00.31.jpg?dl=0
[01:09:56] <Connor> ROFL. I could see why.
[01:10:01] <Connor> How old is it?
[01:10:04] <malcom2073> Gonna give him the Clamps!
[01:10:17] <_methods> it might be a war machine
[01:10:30] <Connor> That was my thinking.. looked old enough to be..
[01:10:31] <_methods> i think the war machines had a special plate
[01:10:37] <_methods> i forgot to look for it
[01:10:59] <Connor> What's your plans for it ?
[01:11:08] <_methods> to use it lol
[01:11:24] <_methods> clean it up and put it in my garage
[01:11:44] <Connor> yea yea.. :)
[01:11:51] <Connor> CNCing it ?
[01:12:22] <_methods> nah
[01:12:27] <_methods> that would be criminal
[01:12:46] <_methods> those machines were works of art
[01:12:59] <_methods> if i want a cnc i'll just get a cnc
[01:13:01] <malcom2073> At least make sure it has a power feed
[01:13:08] <_methods> it has power
[01:13:12] <_methods> feed
[01:13:14] <malcom2073> That's all you need on a horizontal
[01:13:18] <_methods> yeah
[01:13:24] <Connor> I kinda screwed up. Drug my feet too long on getting my mill finished up with PetefromTn's help.. now he's moving to Florida.. of course, it was a hard and long year.. haven't done crap in the shop.
[01:13:48] <_methods> i'd rather have a horizontal than a vertical any day
[01:13:49] <zeeshan|2> c onnor you dissapeared :{
[01:13:58] <Connor> zeeshan|2: I know.
[01:14:05] <_methods> and for $100
[01:14:39] <Connor> I'm still around. Just, I dunno... overwhelmed with Life. oh, and I turned 40.. so.. Mid life crisis? :)
[01:14:55] <zeeshan|2> =/
[01:15:02] <zeeshan|2> live life to the fullest
[01:15:08] <Connor> I did get a nice 70" 4K LCD TV. :)
[01:15:34] <_methods> aren't you supposed to get a corvette for your midlife crisis
[01:15:49] <Connor> I would rather have the TV.
[01:15:52] <_methods> hahah
[01:15:53] <Connor> I don't drive much.
[01:15:59] <_methods> or in pete's case a miata
[01:16:03] <Connor> ROFL
[01:16:59] <_methods> i buy junk chinese machines to cnc though
[01:17:12] <_methods> not beautiful things like that brown and sharpe
[01:17:21] <Connor> I may have to buy another G0704 or something to finish this conversion up.
[01:17:31] <_methods> why?
[01:17:36] <_methods> oh to make the parts
[01:17:58] <Connor> Well.. to mill the base and the saddle
[01:18:01] <_methods> buy the parts you need to convert and use the 0704 you have to make the parts
[01:18:04] <Connor> and cut the oil grooves.
[01:18:12] <_methods> little machine shop sells the parts
[01:18:20] <Connor> not for a G0704.
[01:18:23] <_methods> that way you don't have to buy a whole machine
[01:18:25] <_methods> what?
[01:18:30] <_methods> damn didn't know that
[01:18:41] <_methods> grizzly will sell spare parts i believe
[01:18:57] <Connor> I could send the saddle off to get machined.
[01:19:13] <_methods> have you tried buying the parts from grizzly?
[01:19:15] <Connor> the base is what would probably be cost prohibitive to send.
[01:19:29] <zeeshan|2> whatcha gotta machine on it?
[01:19:30] <zeeshan|2> oil grooves?
[01:19:41] <Connor> I don't think it would be a good idea. they're all mated together.
[01:20:07] <Connor> zeeshan|2: for the saddle, oil grooves and access ports, and a clearance pocket for the ballscrew
[01:20:27] <zeeshan|2> 200 bux? :P
[01:20:28] <Connor> for the base, clearance for the ballscreew forward and after, and clearance hole in the front.
[01:21:39] <_methods> http://www.grizzly.com/parts/p0704076
[01:21:41] <Connor> Then I need to get the base extension milled (2" chunk of cast iron) and a head spacer which is made of aluminum.
[01:21:42] <_methods> that's your base
[01:22:06] <zeeshan|2> connor its a g0704
[01:22:10] <zeeshan|2> arent there bolt on kits?!
[01:22:23] <Connor> zeeshan|2: This is a extended travel conversion
[01:22:28] <zeeshan|2> ah!
[01:22:56] <Connor> Should give me around 9 to 9 1/2" travel
[01:23:02] <_methods> http://www.grizzly.com/parts/p0704068
[01:23:05] <_methods> and your saddle
[01:23:20] <Tom_itx> quiz 2 in the books
[01:23:49] <zeeshan|2> howd it go tom
[01:23:53] <zeeshan|2> easy peezee?
[01:24:15] <Tom_itx> pretty much
[01:24:26] <Tom_itx> 30 min quiz took about 5
[01:25:07] <zeeshan|2> awesome :D
[01:25:21] <zeeshan|2> im glad youre liking this course :D
[01:25:40] <Tom_itx> couldn't be easier.. draw a rectangle, extrude it, add a pocket and a hole
[01:25:45] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[01:25:52] <Tom_itx> oh and fillet the corners
[01:25:53] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: we need to host CAD race nights
[01:26:02] <zeeshan|2> in this chan
[01:26:04] <Tom_itx> naw
[01:26:06] <zeeshan|2> spice up skills
[01:26:43] <Tom_itx> i got 142 you can pick from though
[01:27:40] <Tom_itx> between the ole phart and the instructor i don't get much done though
[01:28:19] <Tom_itx> one want's to bug me for help and the other just want's to talk to me all the time while we're doing coursework
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[01:29:38] <Tom_itx> he did say we'll finish about 4 days early though then we can start on our problems which are all done
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[01:30:40] <Tom_itx> it's kinda good that they are though because i'm able to pick up shortcuts & tricks etc and fix em as i go
[01:31:08] <os1r1s> Connor I'm trying to figure out how to cut my oil grooves as well :)
[01:31:17] <Tom_itx> their array is pretty cool as it will follow any edge, not just x y coordinates
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[02:54:55] <PetefromTn_> evening folks
[03:00:01] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ Evening
[03:01:21] <PetefromTn_> its been a day lol
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[03:02:21] <zeeshan|2> whatcha been doin
[03:02:49] <PetefromTn_> just trying to wrap up all the CNC stuff I have to do so I can get on with finishing the work on my house
[03:03:09] <zeeshan|2> pete the shop will miss you and your excellent work
[03:03:10] <zeeshan|2> ;[
[03:03:27] <PetefromTn_> I guess they will...I honestly think they are kinda pissed at me for leaving
[03:03:27] <zeeshan|2> but florida has an even bigger car mod scene!
[03:03:31] <zeeshan|2> why
[03:04:00] <PetefromTn_> well I actually mentioned early on that I had my house for sale and would be moving to Florida if it ever sells
[03:04:16] <PetefromTn_> but it has been on the market for more than 2 years now and has not sold
[03:04:39] <PetefromTn_> and the more work I did for them and the more plans they made the more they needed me to do stuff for them
[03:04:55] <PetefromTn_> Then all of a sudden I am outta here so I think they are kinda annoyed at me.
[03:05:02] <zeeshan|2> thats life though
[03:05:03] <zeeshan|2> people move on
[03:05:09] <PetefromTn_> I agree
[03:05:18] <PetefromTn_> they paid me well but it was all part time work
[03:05:20] <zeeshan|2> you'll find even better opportunities there
[03:05:32] <PetefromTn_> I am hoping so
[03:06:03] <PetefromTn_> I am sure in their mind I worked there long enough to get my skills up and then I am leaving LOL or at least that is probably how it appears to them.
[03:06:07] <zeeshan|2> who says you cant machine stuff?
[03:06:10] <zeeshan|2> for them and ship it
[03:06:18] <PetefromTn_> Oh I want to and have mentioned it.
[03:06:30] <PetefromTn_> one of the two guys who are partners said he was open to that
[03:06:40] <PetefromTn_> but the other guy not so much
[03:06:44] <zeeshan|2> hm
[03:06:46] <PetefromTn_> I guess we shall see
[03:07:25] <PetefromTn_> so yeah its kinda bittersweet
[03:07:32] <Jymmm> cause we all know how shitty work those floridans do
[03:07:35] <PetefromTn_> I did not want to leave here burning bridges
[03:07:46] <PetefromTn_> Well I dunno
[03:08:02] <PetefromTn_> there are a bunch of RX7 guys down there
[03:08:13] <PetefromTn_> and they build some REALLY fast drag cars
[03:08:25] zeeshan|2 is now known as zeeshan
[03:08:30] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: You are not burning bridges, really.
[03:08:36] <PetefromTn_> apparently they are foreigners like jamaicans or something
[03:09:02] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Talk to them, tell them how you feel and that you are NOT trying to "abandon" them.
[03:09:29] <zeeshan> my dream is to live in the middle of no where
[03:09:32] <zeeshan> but have clients all over the world
[03:09:33] <zeeshan> haha
[03:09:55] <PetefromTn_> I tried to but they are so crazy busy it is hard to find time to speak to them about it. I am thinking a bit of time for him to calm down about the whole thing may change his mind.
[03:10:13] <PetefromTn_> I honestly sell MY parts all over the world
[03:10:34] <PetefromTn_> so I am hoping that I can step up that with not only more orders but more items I am going to make.
[03:11:16] <PetefromTn_> right now I am just covered up with work finishing up the CNC stuff and getting my house ready for the closing....Plus moving these machines and finding a suitable storage facility for them
[03:11:24] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: they will always be busy, ask em out for a drink/lunch
[03:11:45] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Ok, fine, send them a stripper telegram telling them
[03:11:46] <PetefromTn_> thats an idea
[03:13:04] <PetefromTn_> When I was there today they had picked up the RX7 that I had spent some time welding up unnecessary holes in the engine bay on. It was repainted white with a sorta pearl
[03:13:11] <PetefromTn_> it Looked really good
[03:13:34] <PetefromTn_> they are getting ready to drop that LSA in there now....should be a kickass car
[03:16:48] <PetefromTn_> It sure would be nice to find a similar situation down there in Florida....
[03:17:01] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: its always "rough" leaving who/what you've known for so long =)
[03:17:29] <PetefromTn_> Jymm it sure is man... Hard to leave your comfort zone
[03:18:14] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Change can be scary (fear of the known), but can also open yourself to whats new and wonderous
[03:18:28] <PetefromTn_> definitely
[03:18:46] <Jymmm> seeing things with fresh eyes, new experiances, new perspectives
[03:19:18] <Jymmm> noting you can't handle =)
[03:19:24] <Jymmm> nothing*
[03:19:24] <PetefromTn_> we are hoping and praying or a good result. Biggest thing initially will be to find a good deal on a home down there we can live with. There seem to be quite a few in our price range...
[03:19:56] <Jymmm> or beach (swamp?) front property
[03:20:13] <Jymmm> get yourself an airboat
[03:20:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah thats probably not gonna happen. anything there on the water is UBER expensive
[03:20:41] <Jymmm> make one
[03:21:05] <Jymmm> or two
[03:21:17] <PetefromTn_> we have the kayaks for that man ;)
[03:21:42] <PetefromTn_> I plan to stuff my fridge with fresh fish whenever possible :D
[03:22:32] <PetefromTn_> There is a kayak fishing club actually several down there and one of the guys friended me who lives near where we will be.
[03:22:55] <PetefromTn_> He said they catch a bunch of sheepshead down there easily and apparently they taste really good!
[03:23:10] <PetefromTn_> I have caught them before but never tried to eat them.
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[03:24:59] <Duc> Did you ever figure out how you will be moving the machines
[03:25:09] <PetefromTn_> yes I did
[03:26:13] <PetefromTn_> I found a guy in Pennsylvania that has a kickass hydraulic dovetail fifth wheel trailer and a diesel dually
[03:26:33] <PetefromTn_> he told me he has moved many machines like this and does not need a forklift at either then
[03:26:35] <PetefromTn_> end
[03:26:36] <Duc> so it drops down for loading
[03:26:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah it can lift 10k
[03:26:53] <PetefromTn_> the lift part is over 9 feet long
[03:27:25] <Duc> nice
[03:27:26] <PetefromTn_> and the tip of the ramp is only like 2" tall so we should be able to get the machines skidded up onto it easily...
[03:27:44] <Duc> owning one of those could be dangerous
[03:28:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah I would be buying cheap machines all over the place ;D
[03:29:00] <PetefromTn_> I don't normally drink but I am having some wine coolers tonight to relax my nerves about this whole thing hehehe
[03:29:40] <Duc> moving is a crap load easier with no machines
[03:29:49] <PetefromTn_> you can say that again.
[03:30:03] <Duc> just sell the lathe lol
[03:30:22] <PetefromTn_> I have moved many times in my life and never really worried about it like this
[03:30:45] <PetefromTn_> why? I am just getting it to where I can start using it...
[03:31:15] <Duc> because I need one. :D
[03:31:31] <Duc> my eye lid twitched for 2 months after the move
[03:31:34] <CaptHindsight> don't worry, it won't fall off the truck or show up missing any parts, that hardly ever happens
[03:31:35] <Jymmm> worried?
[03:31:40] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[03:32:03] <PetefromTn_> If I can't scrape up the cash for the move I might just have to sell some stuff LOL
[03:32:36] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_ just put on your fishnets and hotpants!
[03:32:47] <PetefromTn_> one thing that sucks about moving and selling your house is you don't get the cash out of the house until you close
[03:32:50] <Duc> 1 grand cash
[03:32:54] <PetefromTn_> and by then its too late...
[03:32:57] <CaptHindsight> let the kids paint the mill all crazy and tell the movers that its artwork
[03:33:17] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm I lost mine can ya lend me yours ;)
[03:33:30] <PetefromTn_> Duc Hell I have that much just in the new drives LOL
[03:33:42] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Never had any myself, but I think CaptHindsight has some hot pink
[03:34:00] <Duc> PetefromTn_: might have a leblond lathe to trade Yea I cant blame you
[03:34:04] <CaptHindsight> sheesh, Jymmm is to classy for fishnets
[03:34:28] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm is classy?
[03:34:29] <CaptHindsight> he's more a spanx kinda ... kinds... well you know...
[03:34:36] <Jymmm> Yep, jut sportin the daisy dukes!!!
[03:34:53] <PetefromTn_> thank God this is not a video link
[03:34:57] <CaptHindsight> have to go unimagine that image
[03:35:04] <Jymmm> LMAO
[03:35:45] <PetefromTn_> I may actually get a loan against my car to pay for the move and then just pay it back after we close or something...
[03:36:13] <PetefromTn_> I was not prepared for this it all kinda happened suddenly
[03:36:30] <Duc> how much is the guy charging for the machine move
[03:36:38] <CaptHindsight> 40% interest?
[03:37:10] <PetefromTn_> I have cash for all the improvements we need to do to the house and I should have the money for moving the machines hopefully but its gonna be tight until the closing LOL
[03:37:52] <PetefromTn_> Duc honestly it is not bad....he is moving both machines including four hours loading time at each end to a storage unit of my choosing in PSL florida for $1650.00
[03:38:22] <Duc> that is a steal make sure you have insurance on the shipment
[03:38:38] <PetefromTn_> he apparently is insured for this
[03:38:50] <Duc> is he coming from Pa to TN
[03:38:55] <PetefromTn_> I doubt I could find any better deal than that
[03:39:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah he apparently does a lot of trips to Florida and back and is going to coordinate the return trip as well as a side trip with other moves.
[03:40:11] <Duc> ah the math wasnt adding up for me. I know diesel is cheap but still about 500 in fuel alone
[03:40:13] <PetefromTn_> I spoke to him or about an hour the other day on the phone. He seems a solid guy and sounds like he knows and understands the challenge here...
[03:40:37] <PetefromTn_> he said 3-400
[03:40:50] <CaptHindsight> for some reason part of the deal includes you wearing a fake beard, delivering a package to a sick relative and if anybody asks your name is not Carlos
[03:41:18] <PetefromTn_> I have driven down to Florida in my cars several times it is usually about 300 bucks or so
[03:41:37] <CaptHindsight> RT for gas?
[03:41:39] <PetefromTn_> deisel is better but towing heavy loads not
[03:41:50] <Duc> figure 10-12 mpg at most for him while towing
[03:41:55] <PetefromTn_> yup
[03:42:04] <PetefromTn_> its about 12.5 hours
[03:42:30] <CaptHindsight> I paid $1.35/gal for E15 yesterday
[03:42:54] <CaptHindsight> yeah, he gave you a great price
[03:42:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah its crazy cheap right now
[03:43:33] <PetefromTn_> 727 miles
[03:43:43] <Duc> 1.89 for diesel
[03:44:18] <PetefromTn_> that should be like 125 bucks in diesel no?
[03:44:31] <PetefromTn_> that can't be right
[03:44:38] <roycroft> b99.9 is $2.03 here now
[03:44:46] <roycroft> the cheapest it's ever been
[03:45:15] <roycroft> i want it to go down another 4 cents
[03:45:21] <Duc> 275 in diesel round trip
[03:45:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah but as I said he is picking up another load or two along the way back
[03:45:39] <Duc> from Tn
[03:45:56] <Duc> that helps alot. so your not a full load for his truck?
[03:46:03] <PetefromTn_> so yeah he is still making some decent money on it
[03:46:27] <PetefromTn_> I think we will be full load on the way down but he said he has a couple moves on the way back
[03:46:35] <PetefromTn_> he did not go into speciics
[03:48:30] <PetefromTn_> that trailer of his is pretty big he linked me some pics of it...it costs like 26 grand apparently LOL
[03:51:29] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: CaptHindsight You know you love it... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P8lzOHC_5yI/UKvftpJ4WEI/AAAAAAAAKU8/cpFZmSuI7l0/s1600/borat-thong.jpg
[03:51:45] <PetefromTn_> http://www.gatormade.com/assets/img/images1/01hydraulicdovetail.jpg
[03:51:50] <Duc> ok bed time
[03:52:00] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm is that you man?
[03:52:00] <Duc> have fun
[03:52:07] <PetefromTn_> GN8 Duc
[03:52:08] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Yeah man
[03:52:37] <PetefromTn_> well not many guys could pull that off man ;)
[03:53:18] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443453/
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[03:55:03] <PetefromTn_> I know who it is man I was just kidding LOL
[03:55:07] <Jymmm> =)
[03:56:05] <PetefromTn_> well thanks for the ideas and laughs guys I better get to bed so I can get more of this work done tomorrow. Gn8
[03:56:18] <Jymmm> gnight PetefromTn_
[03:56:23] <PetefromTn_> :D
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[03:56:29] <Jymmm> gnight PetefromTnsoon to beform FL
[04:09:05] <Tom_itx> TNFL
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[04:12:10] <Jymmm> ?
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[05:02:19] <HoloPed> Can someone recommend an image-to-gcode tool that actually works? For a laser engraver.
[05:02:58] <anomynous> dunno, but i would try to look for raster image to vector image converter
[05:04:57] <HoloPed> not everything can be vectorised
[05:05:27] <anomynous> then it cant be gcodized? :D
[05:05:37] <HoloPed> it can
[05:05:41] <HoloPed> by rasterising it
[05:05:45] <anomynous> oh
[05:05:57] <HoloPed> the head passes back and forth like an old fax machine
[05:06:12] <anomynous> and mill all the pixels?
[05:07:42] <Jymmm> http://timeguy.com/cradek/image-to-gcode
[05:07:53] <HoloPed> its a laser
[05:07:54] <HoloPed> but yeah
[05:07:57] <HoloPed> essentially
[05:11:04] <HoloPed> found it
[05:11:05] <HoloPed> http://www.lasereditor.com/
[05:22:51] <Ralith> Jymmm: that page itself says to just use the stuff that shipes with EMC...
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[05:45:40] <Jymmm> ok
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[06:13:19] <minibnz> oh man this is a task.. its taken me two hours to get a pin (ie variable) from a python script into linuxcnc
[06:14:53] <minibnz> now you would think reading the serial port and creating links to lnuxcnc would be the hard part right? No.. i can do all that what i cannot do is take two bytes from the serial stream convert that to a int or float then multiply that by a number.. simplez... well i cant seem to multiply two numbers together...
[06:15:19] <minibnz> i needs to find a python for dumbshits book or website...
[06:16:40] <minibnz> the bit that confuses me is.. each time i run the script it throws different error lines (same error on different lines) without changing the code.. then i just get stuck in a endless loop of you cant do that to a int or a float or anything....
[06:18:58] <minibnz> so at this time i belive i can get data from the serial port into emc.... now i just have to work out how to get my data into the variables... oh this hurts my head with out typecasts.... its just not like C at all :p
[06:20:05] <minibnz> the good news is now that i have draged out my ethernet everywhere cable my mill is on the net work so i can ssh in and do this from the couch :)
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[06:34:11] <beikeland> minibnz: trying to add a serial connection to your rc servo speed control?
[06:35:03] <minibnz> no adding serial interface to a digitiizing probe i wants to build.
[06:35:09] <minibnz> ValueError: empty string for float()
[06:35:16] <minibnz> WTF is that error?
[06:35:54] <beikeland> dunno, don't speak python. but sounds like your parameter is empty.
[06:36:09] <beikeland> cool, analoge distance measure or something?
[06:36:17] <minibnz> heheh thats what i thought so i explicitly defined it..
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[06:37:14] <minibnz> going to take a peizo speaker and attach a probe then when the probe is touched the volatge from the peizo changes and i can capture this and work out how much bend there is in the peizo
[06:37:14] <beikeland> ouch, not something silly like running one file and editing antoher?
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[06:37:42] <minibnz> no the error goes away if i remove the line :(
[06:37:46] <RootB_e> hey linuxCNC, which CNC Router would you recommend buying
[06:37:49] <RootB_e> for 2K?
[06:38:58] <beikeland> neat! wish i find time to play with stuff like that.
[06:39:13] <beikeland> will the deflection be linear in all directions?
[06:39:31] <Lowridah> 2k was 16 years ago, id buy something modern
[06:39:58] <Lowridah> but anything should be 2k safe
[06:40:45] <Lowridah> sorry for the light troll, i'm curious too because i'd like to get into cnc routing for about the same price point
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[06:43:29] <minibnz> beikeland i guess so. the peizo is circular.. the only one that woul be really different would be Z axis but as i need a really fast cpu to do this i am using a pic32f201 20 pin chip that has 200ksps ADC and usb interface i think i will have spare processing power to do the calibration in the pic. i was thinking just send a ADC count to python and let python do its thing but i am failing epicly with multiplying numbers..
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[06:46:20] <minibnz> all i know about python is that you need to use tabs instead of brakets the rest is getting googled as i go..
[06:46:42] <Lowridah> hashtag all spaces matter
[06:46:46] <archivist> most important for probes is over travel, on contact the machine is still moving and will take time to stop
[06:46:49] <Lowridah> spacists
[06:47:46] <Lowridah> python frustrates me in different ways
[06:47:52] <beikeland> minibnz: sounds cool, measuring the over travel instead of repeating it at slow feeds sounds interesting.
[06:47:59] <Lowridah> but mostly spacing
[06:48:53] <minibnz> Lowridah thats not good news..
[06:50:52] <minibnz> archivist as a peizo is giving out a analog signal ie drops to zero when it stops being moved i think i have use a accumalator to get the values.. and i am going to make it with a magnet so if i press to far it falls off instead of breaking, except for z travel that will hurt the dev if i go too far
[06:51:16] <minibnz> and all the videos i have seen of any kinda probe is usually very slow movements
[06:51:28] <minibnz> once close at least.
[06:53:35] <minibnz> beikeland the ones i have seen are heimer guages or something they do x y z all on one dial indicator.. the ones that feed back into you cnc computer are $1400+ so if this works i will be very happy.. i really only need to use it as a edge finder not so much a digitzer.
[07:01:12] <Ralith> RootB_e: I can't answer your question, but I can tell you that before you start considering what to buy, you need to decide what you want to be able to do with it
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[07:18:39] <minibnz> ARHG python sucks...
[07:25:16] <minibnz> oh my god.. i dont know how or why its working.. just lets hope it stays working :)
[07:26:13] <minibnz> i got rid of the typecasting that iwas trying to do and it now worked... why it didnt work like that from the start is a bit weird.. but i dont care now i dont do enough python to care.. :)
[07:26:29] <minibnz> happy it looks like i can get my data into a linuxcnc variable..
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[07:30:33] <minibnz> so now i have the values in linuxcnc i need to write a ladder script to move that data into Gcode offsets
[07:30:51] <minibnz> or just into the axis values
[07:31:04] <Ralith> python is built on the foundation that knowing what anything's type is isn't Agile enough
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[07:31:59] <minibnz> yeah but then it threw errors sayin i cant do this or that to that type of variable.. its just not clear about what it wants from me..
[07:32:23] <minibnz> i just dont know enoough and this just doesnt make me want to know more..
[07:34:37] <minibnz> i like structure.. knowing that something you set to be a int will always be an int..... until you tell it not to be a int..
[07:37:14] <minibnz> i guess i have to link this new data into the touchoff button/function..
[07:38:30] <Ralith> if it was unclear, I was making fun of python just then
[07:38:37] <Ralith> type systems are important
[07:38:55] <minibnz> that was a clear as pythons type system :P
[07:39:13] <Ralith> in fairness, python's type system is very simple
[07:39:15] <Ralith> this is the chief problem
[07:39:24] <minibnz> heheheh yup
[07:39:54] <minibnz> i wants to be able to force the variable into some format.. it just makes me want to type cast every use if every variable..
[07:40:15] <minibnz> or have int float char in the variable name which is even more wrong..
[07:40:31] <Ralith> probably the best thing to do is very carefully keep track of all the places you assign to the variable, and make explicit type declarations in those places
[07:40:57] <Ralith> disclaimer: I do not actually know python
[07:41:06] <minibnz> that was what i was trying to do after it started to complain about my types
[07:41:35] * Ralith generally uses Haskell when he can get away with it, C++14 when he can't
[07:41:39] <minibnz> then that just made things worse then i removed it and it works... it looks just like i had it the first time.. (it probably not)
[07:42:56] <Ralith> it's usually a good idea to keep code larger than a handful of lines in some sort of version control
[07:43:00] <minibnz> i saw that linuxcnc has a C API thingy but thought no cuz i am using the serial port python will be best.. but now i have the code pretty much done its far too simple.. i could have done this in C really quickly :)
[07:43:00] <Ralith> git being the present day de-facto standard
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[07:43:21] <Ralith> then you can go back and look and see how your current version actually does differ from your last
[07:43:23] <minibnz> there are only 15 lines of code and most of that is remarks :)
[07:43:59] <Ralith> clearly it is nonetheless too much to keep track of :p
[07:44:19] <Ralith> version control is a good habit to have anyway
[07:44:33] <minibnz> yeah i probably should stick it in git..
[07:44:59] <Ralith> it really sucks when you spend half an hour trying to improve something only to realize that neither does it work as is nor are you able to return it to its prior functionality
[07:45:06] <archivist> yaknow this exists? http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/serport.9.html
[07:45:43] <minibnz> no
[07:46:13] <minibnz> everything i had read about the serial port said linuxcnc does not support the serial port and you will have to write your own driver.
[07:46:29] <minibnz> i am pulling 6 bytes in from the port at a time
[07:46:56] <minibnz> that link appears to deal with the bits indiviually..
[07:47:07] <minibnz> i am this far along now there is no turning back :)
[07:47:24] <archivist> 6 bytes sounds too slow for probing
[07:47:58] <minibnz> huh.. thats 10k of samples per second if you want it...
[07:48:18] <minibnz> sampling three axis in that 6 bytes..
[07:48:44] <minibnz> how fast do you move the bed with a probe in the spdinle?
[07:48:46] <archivist> you need to capture the position at that point in time
[07:49:01] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Touch_Probe
[07:49:56] <SpeedEvil> Well - the serial port does have fast async status lines
[07:49:59] <SpeedEvil> In principle
[07:51:30] <archivist> what I see is writing code before A seeing what other linuxcnc users do, and B knowing the timing requirements of the process
[07:52:06] <archivist> I dont think the current linuxcnc is quite right yet either
[07:53:10] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[07:53:12] <SpeedEvil> that too
[07:53:17] <minibnz> all i want to use this for is edge finding.. and have the data adjust automatically..
[07:53:28] <archivist> it needs adding to the hostmot2 driver as the mesa card has it implemented to grab all the counters on a trigger
[07:54:09] <minibnz> find the edges and top of a block of stock not trying to map any complex shapes.
[07:55:04] <archivist> so using http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G38-probe
[07:55:26] <archivist> this uses a bit on an interface
[07:56:37] <archivist> and captures the location as best it can at the moment
[07:57:35] <minibnz> interesting. i hadn't really thought about using it in a simple on/off arrangement.. was basically going to measure the over shoot and use that to correct the co-ords..
[07:57:52] <minibnz> that just spoils all my fun..
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[08:00:39] <SpeedEvil> external timing also works
[08:01:04] <Deejay> moin
[08:04:12] <minibnz> that really spoils all my fun.. all i need is a comparator a couple of caps and few resistors..
[08:04:52] <archivist> we do need more devs, but....best to read what is there first :)
[08:05:25] <minibnz> thats sweet... cuz i really cant code all that well in linux. i am more a embeded person..
[08:06:11] <minibnz> bug OS's just overwhelm me.. so many options.. so many processes going on.. i like the insulated zone that i get in a MCU
[08:06:16] <minibnz> big^
[08:06:18] <archivist> I got a supposedly dead cmm to put linuxcnc on it, but it worked
[08:06:37] <minibnz> nice
[08:08:13] <minibnz> i did look around for what was out there.. and all what i had found was conductive type probes, that coupled with me thinking sample the overshoot lead me down the wrong path.. i really do prefer to use whats on the shelf..
[08:09:05] <archivist> make a home brew conductive probe, they have the over travel protection in the form of a spring
[08:09:27] <minibnz> conductive dont work on plastic.
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[08:09:40] <minibnz> thats why i am going to a peizo..
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[08:09:55] <archivist> yes they do, they have internal contacts
[08:10:25] <archivist> not talking the crap that conduct to the work piece
[08:10:30] <minibnz> oh everything i read said it used the job peice as a current path
[08:11:24] <archivist> my probes have a ruby ball on the end, an insulator
[08:12:39] <minibnz> now i dont think the peizo will work without a MCU even in a single bit output..
[08:13:17] <archivist> you just trigger a pin to drive linuxcnc
[08:13:18] <minibnz> i need to make an accumalator of the output of the peizo.. if the axis stop moving the signal drops to zero.
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[08:13:58] <archivist> read the manual for http://www.tormach.com/product_tts_passive_probe.html
[08:14:25] <archivist> it is a bit obvious how it works
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[08:14:52] <minibnz> i tried that but they dont link to the manual.
[08:14:55] <archivist> that being a copy of early Rinishaw method
[08:15:06] <archivist> the link is on that page
[08:15:25] <minibnz> you mean the one that says no docs avail?
[08:15:35] <archivist> it is the technical documents section
[08:16:03] <archivist> bottom of the two cleaning :)
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[08:16:58] <alex_joni> Jymmm: thanks
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[08:17:52] <minibnz> yeah i can see how their one works.. but i am taking about how my sensor works.. if you stop moving the output drops off even if you are still touching something...
[08:19:23] <archivist> piezo usually listed for the clik on contact, then you stop
[08:19:32] <archivist> listen
[08:19:45] <minibnz> so to use this type of sensor i need to use a MCU to condition the signal to suit linuxcnc
[08:20:20] <archivist> yes a plin incontact/not, a single bit
[08:20:29] <archivist> plain
[08:22:45] <Jymmm> alex_joni: ?
[08:41:13] <alex_joni> 04:13 #linuxcnc: < Jymmm> alex_joni: Plan on making a new music player? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hot-Sale-Smart-Electronics-1pcs-KY-040-Rotary-Encoder-Module-Brick-Sensor-Development-Board-for-arduino/32341633440.html
[08:41:27] <alex_joni> might have been 1month+ ago
[08:42:10] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Ah, yw. Thought you might enjoy v2.0 =)
[08:43:00] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Actually, I think I orderd two of those just before CNY
[08:44:12] <alex_joni> well, not much time to tinker at the moment :)
[08:44:45] <Jymmm> Yep, left china Feb 4th =)
[08:45:05] <alex_joni> oh, you were there?
[08:45:38] <Jymmm> Nah, I placed a big order before the Chinese New Year, that was just one of the items
[08:45:48] <alex_joni> ah
[08:46:01] <Jymmm> ordered from 12 different vendors
[08:46:44] <Jymmm> Have some OLED displays coming as well, thought the encoder would be a nice touch.
[08:47:41] <Jymmm> alex_joni: This even more so... RGB LED illumated encoder shaft https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10982
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[09:21:58] <Kucharsky> Hi to all.
[09:22:55] <Kucharsky> Seb just sent email notifying on new release. I don't get some of it. Can somebody expalain what this means: "...adds support for RTAI 5.0, though we have no debian packages yet, sorry"
[09:23:14] <Kucharsky> live cd is based on debian wheezy
[09:23:48] <Kucharsky> so where this support for RTAI 5.0 is added?
[09:23:55] <archivist> support probably means, you can separately download and install that kernel
[09:25:00] <Kucharsky> I see
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[11:18:12] <minibnz> NOOOO... i think i just had a fail.... tried installing the touchscreen on my mill and now it wont power up.. hope i havent crashed the CF Card :(
[11:18:57] <XXCoder> or cooked it
[11:19:04] <XXCoder> did it relase any magic smoke?
[11:19:46] <minibnz> the only thing that might tell me its ok is that i dont even get a bios beep..
[11:20:29] <minibnz> hoping its just hot... finsgers and toes crossed.. dont think i will be able to put off the fan upgrade any longer if it does come back to life..
[11:20:46] <minibnz> i should also take an image of the CF card for justin...
[11:20:53] <XXCoder> look at capactors and such
[11:21:01] <XXCoder> look if theres any sign of cooking
[11:21:17] <minibnz> i have spare motherboards so its ok if there is a problem.. and no magic smoke
[11:21:24] <minibnz> smells nice :)
[11:23:20] <minibnz> its been on all day, it may have a probkem.. i have some other mother boards in a smaller formfactor but im not sure if they have a full pci slot will need that for when i get a mesa card
[11:28:06] <minibnz> ok thats a bit better.. unpluged the power from the motherboard to discharge the caps and now she goes beep... not the board not the hdd yay...
[11:28:31] <XXCoder> whew
[11:29:08] <minibnz> it does have a problem that stops it from rebooting under software... i think thats a kernel issue.. we had the same thing at work (where the board came from) so i am not going to fix that with the emc kernel installed..
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[11:45:34] <minibnz> oh thats disapointing... dont have any different capacitive touch touch screens :( only have more of the same and resistive touch.. that wont do have to open the door to touch then...
[11:46:13] <XXCoder> resistive touch does suck
[11:46:24] <XXCoder> though those are quite more tough
[11:46:25] <minibnz> did find a 19inch lcd and touchscreen but its the same manufacturer so i wont have drivers.. at work we wrote our own drivers and now they wont compile.. :(
[11:46:40] <minibnz> aaaa i dunno...
[11:48:17] <minibnz> we deployed over 3thousand of these units and not once did we have a Cap touch fail within reason.. the only two i ever saw/heard of being smashed was here in sydney when some drunk fool smashed two beer glasses on them these are industriall strenght glass built for kiosks
[11:48:30] <minibnz> shame i cannot make them work with linux..
[11:49:31] <minibnz> wheni try and compile the code it throws buckets of errors all about tupe casting and printD missing variables and the ones that are supplied are not ints.. i dunno what to do with them now...
[11:50:21] <archivist> fix them
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[11:50:40] <minibnz> there might be one saving hope...when the company closed up i saved one complete working machine for me... i will have to unpack it and see if i can rescue the debian files from that machine.
[11:51:11] <minibnz> archivist i really dont have the three or four years spare to learn the linux kernel just to get a touchscreen working.
[11:51:32] <minibnz> i have Zero knowledge about the kernel other than how to install one..
[11:51:44] <archivist> should not need to learn the kernel
[11:52:06] <archivist> you are just creating a device
[11:52:28] <minibnz> the guy that wrote the drivers that i have was a linux genius.. he had to reverse engineer the protocol on windows machine then try and add his own filtering onto the driver so it worked semi good..
[11:53:42] <minibnz> it took him a about 4 months to write the driver to a workable point.
[11:54:11] <minibnz> plus the device is no longer available on the market its just that i have these laying around..
[11:54:11] <archivist> I have a touch screen, I used to use it (had a pc in the box too) but the Pc part died
[11:54:48] <archivist> I never got it coupled to linuxcnc either http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_05_21_cnc/IMG_0246.JPG
[11:56:51] <minibnz> i have never had any real joy with the drivers on these things.. and i have a funny feeling i need a special kernel to make this driver work thats how broken it is..
[11:57:28] <archivist> mine had a serial pin to talk to the pc
[11:59:21] <minibnz> what i would have better luck in doing would be to rewite the firmware on these screens.. made it just spit out a HIID compliant X AND Y value..
[12:01:58] <minibnz> the shameful part is that the will just work on windowz :(
[12:02:23] <minibnz> might have to sell them to my asian mate who keeps asking about them..
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[13:18:00] <rhavenj> hi there, is it a problem to build linuxcnc RT and simulation?
[13:18:16] <rhavenj> what happens if I want to do both?
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[13:19:26] <Deejay> what do ya need simulation for if you have RT?
[13:19:47] <rhavenj> its nice to simulate the code through for optimization
[13:20:11] <Deejay> hmm, but you can just run in on the RT part, or not?
[13:20:12] <archivist> I tend to "simulate" on the real machine
[13:21:04] <Deejay> hm, k, dunno if there might be issues with feedback from the machine.
[13:21:08] <rhavenj> so running the code without the machine plugged in?
[13:22:02] <Deejay> not sure, but linuxcnc might have a problem if the machine is not homed?
[13:22:08] <archivist> I want the machine up and running to see how close fixtures are
[13:22:13] * Deejay does simulation on a different computer...
[13:22:46] <Deejay> hrhhr.. the fixtures are really close... really close ... broken ;)
[13:23:23] <Deejay> my fixtures have already some marks on them ;)
[13:23:37] <archivist> in my case it is the spindle head hitting a rotary table body usually
[13:23:38] <Deejay> the endmill attacked them
[13:24:50] <Deejay> rhavenj, sorry, cannot answer your question :(
[13:24:57] <rhavenj> Deejay, do you have then two machines runing linuxcnc? or do you use simply another software to simulate?
[13:25:10] <Deejay> two different computers
[13:25:29] <Deejay> one is running the RT stuff and is used for machining
[13:25:46] <Deejay> and a different linux computer with the simulation, where i do all the cad-cam stuff
[13:26:59] <rhavenj> my plan is to do the same, was just unsure about simulating the code
[13:27:41] <Deejay> dont know if there is any 'interference' between RT and simulation on the same machine
[13:27:42] <archivist> all depends on your use case
[13:27:55] <Deejay> *on the same computer
[13:30:11] <Deejay> perhaps you can just start some simulation-ini and everything is fine?
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[13:31:11] <archivist> see the vismach option for visualisation of the machine itself
[13:31:13] <Deejay> but dont know, some other guys here may tell you :)
[13:31:38] * Deejay is just user ;)
[13:32:51] <rhavenj> archivist, ah vismatch looks cool, that would be nice to have, but its part of Simulation no?
[13:33:31] <archivist> if you installed from the live cd you will find both RT and sim options
[13:34:46] <rhavenj> i did install from live, but then compiled from git
[13:35:07] <archivist> I dunno about compilation
[13:44:42] <pink_vampire> Good morning!
[13:46:25] <gregcnc> Morning!
[13:47:27] <pink_vampire> hi gregcnc
[13:47:40] <gregcnc> how is your cabinet progressing?
[13:48:52] <Deejay> hi pink_vampire
[13:49:30] <pink_vampire> http://imgur.com/a/M8yGV
[13:51:04] <gregcnc> that looks nice. I haven't figured out what I'll do for the lathe.
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[13:53:09] <pink_vampire> give it to ne
[13:53:55] <gregcnc> I'm also trying to decide how to configure the VFD inputs.
[13:55:30] <pink_vampire> me*
[13:55:38] <pink_vampire> sorry CTS
[13:56:58] <gregcnc> I was ready to kick this project to the curb, if I found a running machine, but I've made progress recently.
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[13:57:50] <pink_vampire> I had the HF lathe
[13:58:01] <pink_vampire> but it's was soo junk
[13:58:13] <pink_vampire> and it's was too small
[13:58:20] <pink_vampire> so I return it
[14:00:16] <gregcnc> I have a Central Machinery that was a 3 in 1 with only the lathe parts left. Thought it might have enough travel to set up as gang tool, but it just takes up space because the spindle bearings are garbage.
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[14:02:58] <gregcnc> The one I'm working on is an old Emco 6 CNC. I have the servos tuned, am sorting out he VFD. Next will be turret ATC.
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[14:03:56] <_methods> yeah i think the first thing people end up doing on those HF lathes is replace the spindle bearings
[14:04:02] <pink_vampire> why do you need ATC at home?
[14:04:08] <pink_vampire> I'm stuck with the arduino code
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[14:04:49] <gregcnc> not just hobby
[14:05:38] <archivist> any sensible job needs multiple tools, you need to be able to preset them and know the offsets
[14:05:47] <gregcnc> I hope to do the ATC in linuxcnc. there is more than on example of this type of ATC, so i'm hoping it's easy.
[14:12:09] <beikeland> on the topic of ATC for a mill, does all implementations require air?
[14:13:00] <archivist> dont think so
[14:13:20] <archivist> usually though
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[14:13:43] <gregcnc> air is cheaper?
[14:14:11] <pink_vampire> I don't like air compressos
[14:14:23] <pink_vampire> too much noise
[14:15:20] <gregcnc> you can get quiet compressors -> california air tool
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[14:15:36] <beikeland> so there are electic options or are we talking (electro-)hydraulic?
[14:16:16] <archivist> depends how your ATC works
[14:16:20] <pink_vampire> air system are noise psss psss
[14:16:28] <pink_vampire> I don't like it
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[14:19:56] <gregcnc> If you have an existing ATC, wouldn't it be a lot of work to change?
[14:21:41] <Simonious> what is the free toolpath for converted a 3D pdf to something I can view in sketchup or solidworks?
[14:22:43] <pink_vampire> HSMexpress is free
[14:23:01] <archivist> PDF...you are starting from the wrong place
[14:23:03] <pink_vampire> It work as a plugin to solidwors
[14:23:29] <pink_vampire> archivist pdf support 3D
[14:23:45] <archivist> it is a write only medium
[14:24:03] <gregcnc> Can you get useful geometry from 3D PDF?
[14:24:26] <archivist> doubt it
[14:24:39] * Simonious ponders
[14:24:47] <gregcnc> I tried, but it was a whole ago now, nothing worked.
[14:24:56] <gregcnc> while
[14:25:03] <archivist> PDF should die
[14:25:08] * Simonious chuckles
[14:28:03] <membiblio> good morning - is there another signal, similar to spindle-on, that I can use to run a startup state machine in python when LCNC is told to RUN and I can feed back a signal saying RUNOK or not and prohibit machine operation?
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[14:29:34] <archivist> membiblio, look at motions other outputs
[14:31:27] <Simonious> pink_vampire: I see HSMexpress is free, were you trying to say it could import 3D PDFs?
[14:32:01] <archivist> membiblio, also you might want to drive an input to set a defined state
[14:32:11] <membiblio> archivist - this is where spindle-on comes from, which I have been using, but I need something 'earlier' and 'more-core' - using spindle-on does not inhibit the operation of the machine merely the G code execution. :( :)
[14:32:36] <pink_vampire> I never import somthing from 3d pdf, I just know that pdf support 3d display
[14:32:54] <pink_vampire> I need arduino programer
[14:33:12] <membiblio> archivist - explain more please? Regarding drive input to defined state. I believe that is what I do when I ask Python to manipulate hal pins. (?)
[14:33:13] <archivist> membiblio, eg motion.feed-inhibit IN BIT
[14:34:39] <archivist> also feed-hold and enable
[14:37:13] <membiblio> archivist - interesting - I see motion.enable and I know I can drive this pin via hal - can I sense this pin or another to read that 'the operator put into run state' and I can return to idle state if machine peripherals are not ready?
[14:37:59] <archivist> you can connect whatever to signals to read them
[14:38:18] <membiblio> archivist - motion.enable is input to the motion module - what drives motion.enable? Search for motion.enable in config?
[14:38:33] <archivist> yes
[14:39:11] <archivist> might be a bit deeper connecting to a gui
[14:39:38] <membiblio> archivist - grep 'motion.enable' * returns nothing in my config
[14:40:05] <archivist> in the ini?
[14:40:23] <archivist> I have never looked for it
[14:41:46] <membiblio> archivist - is aok - I will continue researching - am successfully using spindle-on - somehow reading and setting the same pin - and it works but feels kludgey. :)
[14:42:50] <membiblio> er maybe I read spindle-on and return spindle-at-speed - that sounds more plausible :)
[14:43:43] <membiblio> and it sounds less hackish - but the machine WILL move and stop on a G code - I just don't like that it moves at all
[14:43:55] <membiblio> ok thank you archivist
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[15:15:30] <pink_vampire> someone here use upwork.com?
[15:18:43] <_methods> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/02/09/assault-with-a-deadly-weapon-florida-man-charged-with-throwing-live-alligator-into-wendys/
[15:18:52] <_methods> PetefromTn_: you sure you want to move back to america's penis
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[15:23:33] <cncbasher> pink_vampire: iv'e used similar what do you need ?
[15:24:02] <pink_vampire> to know how it work.
[15:24:03] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah man what state do you live in? Lemme google search some ridiculous heinous crimes over there just a sec... ;)
[15:24:38] <pink_vampire> I want to hire freelancer
[15:24:44] <cncbasher> for ?
[15:24:59] <pink_vampire> arduino coding
[15:25:23] <PetefromTn_> My friend Art is setting up an arduino to control the front end of his CNC lathe build
[15:26:00] <cncbasher> what do you need coding , i use arduino etc
[15:27:19] <pink_vampire> I have code that read 1 pin of analog input and do some calulation and pring in serial the temperature
[15:27:44] <cncbasher> 3d printer ?
[15:28:12] <pink_vampire> now I only need to multiply it
[15:28:15] <pink_vampire> no..
[15:28:21] <pink_vampire> for the CNC
[15:28:48] <_methods> hahah wasn't tryin to bash fla PetefromTn_
[15:29:03] <_methods> i just saw that on the news and thought it was about damn hilarious
[15:29:47] <_methods> hey i'm goin to wendy's someone help me get this gator in the car
[15:29:49] <PetefromTn_> I am sure the folks in the restaurant did not think so ;)
[15:30:02] <_methods> i bet not lol
[15:30:09] <PetefromTn_> I am quite surprised that guy did not get the living shit beat out of him...
[15:30:15] <_methods> i'd love to see video of him tryin to shove the gator thru the window
[15:30:44] <cncbasher> / the loop routine runs over and over again forever:
[15:30:44] <cncbasher> void loop() {
[15:30:44] <cncbasher> // read the input on analog pin 0:
[15:30:44] <cncbasher> int sensorValue = analogRead(A0);
[15:30:44] <cncbasher> // Convert the analog reading (which goes from 0 - 1023) to a voltage (0 - 5V):
[15:30:45] <cncbasher> float voltage = sensorValue * (5.0 / 1023.0);
[15:30:47] <cncbasher> // print out the value you read:
[15:30:47] <PetefromTn_> I mean if you were there enjoying your frosty shake and some jackass did that what would you do?
[15:30:49] <cncbasher> Serial.println(voltage);
[15:31:16] <_methods> i'd have to watch it in astonishment
[15:31:18] <pink_vampire> http://pastebin.com/dh5z0AaV
[15:31:21] <_methods> you don't see that every day
[15:31:30] <pink_vampire> this is the code
[15:31:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah but AFTER would you just stand there or would you want to beat his azz?
[15:32:03] <_methods> some things are so crazy you really don't know what to do
[15:32:07] <_methods> and that would be one of them
[15:32:11] <PetefromTn_> that is true enough
[15:32:44] <_methods> so insane it takes you longer to formulate a course of action than it does to process what you've witnessed
[15:32:44] <PetefromTn_> I would probably be like...well he threw the gator, so now he's unarmed....RUSH HIS ASS And start the beat down LOL
[15:33:12] <PetefromTn_> I think it would also depend if my wife and kids were with me
[15:33:14] <_methods> anyone driving around with a gator is not right
[15:33:32] <cncbasher> ok so what output are you getting , compaired to what your looking for
[15:33:36] <pink_vampire> cncbasher: did you see it?
[15:33:44] <PetefromTn_> maybe he was just trying to propose to wendys an alternate meat source?
[15:33:50] <_methods> hahah
[15:33:56] <_methods> gator sliders
[15:34:05] <PetefromTn_> I love gator tail bites!!
[15:34:12] <PetefromTn_> damn yummy stuff
[15:34:29] <PetefromTn_> I like it with the mustard sauces they serve it with in Florida
[15:35:11] <PetefromTn_> Ya know its funny since I told people that I may have sold my house and will be moving to florida if the deal goes thru..
[15:35:26] <PetefromTn_> a bunch of people have told me I am nutz to move there LOL
[15:35:40] <PetefromTn_> most of which have never even been there before
[15:35:42] <_methods> i have no problem with fl
[15:35:47] <_methods> love it there
[15:36:01] <_methods> but when a story like that comes up
[15:36:31] <PetefromTn_> having spent a vast portion of my life down there in several different areas of the state I THINK I know what I am getting myself into hehe
[15:37:05] <_methods> well i couldn't pass up that one
[15:37:19] <PetefromTn_> I mean hell we just spent over a week down there on Vacation just this past spring... I know man I am not speaking about you specifically
[15:37:41] <PetefromTn_> I thought it was kinda amusing myself...
[15:38:06] <_methods> if you don't get some sort of reaction out of that story then something is wrong
[15:38:19] <_methods> man pushes gator thru drive thru window.............
[15:38:51] <PetefromTn_> Oh I did not read the whole article HE did it at the drive thru?
[15:39:16] <PetefromTn_> I thought he came inside the restaurant and threw it in the door or something.
[15:40:07] <_methods> no he pushed the gator thru the drive thru window
[15:40:16] <PetefromTn_> LOL that apparently happened in Jupiter
[15:40:25] <PetefromTn_> my best friend lives there right now
[15:40:35] <_methods> damn gator was like a 6' too
[15:40:36] <PetefromTn_> and that is only like a half hour from where we are hoping to move
[15:40:57] <PetefromTn_> says 3 1/2'
[15:42:30] <PetefromTn_> Oh sorry it actually says the guy is from Jupiter and the Wendys was in Royal Palm Beach which is like west of Palm Beach...
[15:44:12] <_methods> oh only 3-1/2
[15:44:16] <_methods> i just saw a pic lol
[15:44:22] <_methods> looked like 6' to me
[15:44:25] <_methods> but you know how that goes
[15:44:29] <_methods> hahahah
[15:44:38] <PetefromTn_> yup craziness
[15:44:48] <_methods> always overestimating the size of my gator
[15:44:58] <PetefromTn_> Don't we all LOL
[15:45:16] <PetefromTn_> says he was pranking a friend who worked there
[15:46:04] <_methods> that's why i don't do pranks anymore
[15:46:18] <PetefromTn_> nobody has a sense of humor anymore :D
[15:46:20] <_methods> they always seem funny
[15:46:37] <_methods> till someone ends up in the hospital lol
[15:47:15] <PetefromTn_> or the big house
[15:47:29] <_methods> that comes after the hospital usually lol
[15:47:54] <pink_vampire> I'm on https://discord.gg/0oAimSwFHdSEFl7Y
[15:49:39] <pink_vampire> you are welcom to join and save typing on the keyboard
[15:49:55] <_methods> hahah trump called cruz a pussy and everyone is all upset
[15:51:46] <PetefromTn_> yup pretty disappointing bunch of potential Presidential candidates from every side unfortunately...
[15:52:06] <_methods> yeah it's pretty bleak
[15:52:32] <_methods> another state closer to getting brawndo fountains installed across the country
[15:53:07] <gregcnc> pack up the shops and emigrate too.....
[15:53:17] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[15:53:26] <_methods> heheh
[15:53:27] <PetefromTn_> that movie was hilarious
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[15:54:17] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man I gotta get my azz to work here
[15:54:23] <_methods> pretty sure trump will drive the drilldo around everywhere he goes
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[15:56:35] <_methods> http://www.brawndo.com/
[15:56:37] <_methods> hahah
[15:56:47] <_methods> i didn't know it actually had a website
[16:08:35] <_methods> it's no gator thru a drivethru
[16:08:37] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6xEnsc51fY
[16:09:02] <_methods> goat pole dancing lol
[16:09:55] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[16:10:13] <PetefromTn_> Gotta get these parts machined here... Talk later man
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[16:10:31] <_methods> hahah later
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[16:46:59] <JT-Shop> lol, the price for quicken keeps changing up and down
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[17:20:29] <miss0r> do any of you have experience casting a cnc base using epoxy granite?
[17:21:42] <Jymmm> miss0r: Just curious, what are you making?
[17:22:54] <miss0r> The plan is a vertical machine center :) and I've been reading alot about the epoxy granite.
[17:24:20] <miss0r> flood coolant, toolchanger, the works
[17:24:28] <anomynous> why dont you buy a used one and rework it?
[17:24:32] <miss0r> plus a nice stainless steel enclosure :)
[17:24:44] <miss0r> anomynous: Now wheres the fun in that?
[17:24:48] <anomynous> :D
[17:24:49] <anomynous> ok
[17:24:57] <anomynous> either way it will be expensiv e
[17:26:00] <anomynous> are you going to make it accurate?
[17:26:07] <miss0r> indeed. I must admit; I have been on the market for a used machine center. but the ones avaliable in my country are both old and expensive... you can get some newer ones: age^-2 + money^2
[17:26:23] <miss0r> anomynous: The idea was to end up within 0.005mm
[17:26:28] <miss0r> so 'somewhat'
[17:26:33] <anomynous> okay
[17:26:40] <anomynous> wow.
[17:26:43] <anomynous> you have some work.
[17:26:49] <miss0r> I can't afford to go get C1 bearings.
[17:27:09] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: what's your actual question about those machines?
[17:28:18] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: I am looking for a proper recepie/sugestions for the composition from someone whom have actualy tried it, and preferably experimented on the rigidity of the end product
[17:28:59] <Jymmm> miss0r: Here ya go, and you can learn about casting the steel too... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Cn0WRXPKs
[17:29:04] <CaptHindsight> there is a several year thread on cnczone
[17:29:45] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: I make resins and composites
[17:30:02] <Jymmm> ...and cement shoes
[17:30:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/epoxy-granite/30155-epoxy-granite-machine-bases-polymer-concrete-frame.html
[17:30:26] <archivist> what temperature range to achieve "within 0.005mm"
[17:30:37] <miss0r> hang on - need to reset the CNC
[17:30:51] <CaptHindsight> galoshes galoshes
[17:31:34] <miss0r> archivist: It will be at 20c at all times
[17:32:08] <archivist> except when it is used when it self heats
[17:32:11] <miss0r> Jymmm: Even another dain like me doing
[17:32:24] <Jymmm> miss0r: Like granite? You need a scratch built one micron cnc... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFrVdoOhu1Q
[17:32:38] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: ~9:1 is the aggregate to resin ratio
[17:33:16] <miss0r> archivist: true. I have been told that "EG" frames are less suceptable to heat
[17:33:24] <CaptHindsight> what the thread on cnczone misses is that they only used a few off the shelf 2K epoxies
[17:34:24] <CaptHindsight> it doesn't matter that much since the resin is only 10%, but you can greatly vary the properties of the resin
[17:35:00] <CaptHindsight> vacuum bagging was the other major discovery that they made
[17:36:45] <archivist> boats and other composites use vacuum bagging too
[17:37:10] <Jymmm> PP sticks to NOTHING =)
[17:37:29] <CaptHindsight> for this application air bubbles don't add to the strength and rigidity
[17:37:41] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: how about PP adhesives?
[17:37:58] <miss0r> smart :) I was also thinking of building a vibrating table to put it on
[17:38:00] <Jymmm> no such thing (at least not without heat treating )
[17:38:24] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: (yes, we've had this conversation before,)
[17:39:10] <Jymmm> You have to pretreat usually with open flame to use any kind of adhesive.
[17:39:32] <Jymmm> even inks
[17:39:36] <CaptHindsight> or corona or plasma treat
[17:39:51] <Jymmm> I have neither =)
[17:39:53] <CaptHindsight> you raise the surface energy
[17:40:04] <CaptHindsight> a propane torch
[17:40:05] <miss0r> Two reasons I want to use this: I can't cast iron :) two: it looks pretty
[17:40:08] <miss0r> ^^
[17:40:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: that I have and use for such things
[17:41:30] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: can you bolt through it?
[17:46:18] <gregcnc> get me one of these! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7n00Xx38o
[17:46:41] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: "Don' t fuss over strength. It is extremely hard if not impossible to build a cnc that is rigid enough for milling and then to have it break because it is not strong enough."
[17:47:34] <miss0r> indeed. I'm more worried about vibrations to be honnest
[17:48:06] <CaptHindsight> dampening or cracking due to them?
[17:48:42] <miss0r> the former
[17:49:36] <_methods> those are awesome
[17:50:05] <_methods> tire car
[17:50:06] <_methods> lol
[17:50:36] <gregcnc> looks like a toy
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[17:51:31] <_methods> only $70k
[17:51:45] <CaptHindsight> floats on water, pop up windshield
[17:51:50] <miss0r> _methods: I've been meaning to ask you: how and why did you come across that video of the goat?
[17:52:39] <gregcnc> would be usefull here http://fox6now.com/2016/02/06/breaking-several-cars-fall-through-ice-at-lake-genevas-winterfest/
[17:53:13] <CaptHindsight> how much would you pay for your very own Sherp?
[17:54:28] <gregcnc> if i ever have the the money for a toy vehicle -> unimog
[17:55:03] <miss0r> gregcnc: Indeed! I have one of thoes. I also have an 88" 2,25L petrol Land Rover from 72 ;)
[17:55:16] <miss0r> (the latter is my love and pride)
[17:55:35] <archivist> landrover hope and glory
[17:57:07] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: I told them to have a contest to see who could drive on the lake the longest before winterfest
[17:57:29] <gregcnc> Cool! There are not many unimog in the US.
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[17:57:48] <maxcnc> hi all from a windy germany
[17:58:27] <CaptHindsight> I surprised that they didn't block the access to the lake where they parked
[17:58:39] <CaptHindsight> it's a boat launch
[17:58:48] <miss0r> My land rovers frame when I bought it: http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz122/Garfield87/IMG_0095.jpg how it looked when I build it a new frame and under carrage: http://i820.photobucket.com/albums/zz122/Garfield87/IMG_1467.jpg
[17:58:50] <gregcnc> oh people weren't supposed to be parked there?
[17:59:06] <miss0r> Build that frame from scratch; 3mm cold rolled steel plate. then had it zink coated
[18:00:38] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: the boat launch is right on the road and open year around, they rely on common sense but with out-of-towners they forgot how that doesn't prevail
[18:01:18] <gregcnc> Oh. lol city folk
[18:01:46] <miss0r> :D
[18:02:20] <nos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7dNdQc1NL4
[18:02:28] <nos> Ferroresonance
[18:04:33] <miss0r> meh. dinner time. enough for tonight. c'ya around
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[18:09:28] <PetefromTn_> miss0r man that looks like a bunch of work on that LR
[18:09:39] <PetefromTn_> oh hes gone LOL
[18:28:44] * JT-Shop finally got jan 15 sorted out in qb
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[18:34:09] <maxcnc> im off Gn8
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[18:39:53] <pink_vampire> hi
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[18:47:16] <pink_vampire> someone here did engraving on polycarbonate or nylon sheet?
[18:49:37] <PetefromTn_> I have made edge lit LED lights on plastic sheet
[18:50:35] <cradek> I've also done that
[18:50:42] <cradek> I'm not sure what plastic we used
[18:51:06] <cradek> lately I've done it with glass, too - glass works better and you can clean it without scratching it
[18:52:01] <cradek> experiments making a stacked numeric display out of microscope slides: http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/nine-blanks.jpg
[18:52:32] <cradek> it shows you can have a stack of ten and you can still see the back one just fine
[18:53:27] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/nine.png
[18:53:55] <pink_vampire> laser cutter?
[18:54:08] <pink_vampire> cradek: ?
[18:54:28] <cradek> no, I used simple diamond tooling like a burr you'd put in a dremel, underwater
[18:54:35] <Jymmm> Edge lit 7 segment led https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr_3c_1lHbg
[18:54:45] <cradek> I've cut lots of glass, even thick stuff, that way
[18:55:26] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: how it's work?
[18:55:28] <cradek> Jymmm: that's neat because it doesn't have the stacking/obscuring issue
[18:55:43] <pink_vampire> each egment is one sheet?
[18:55:49] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: watch the entire video
[18:56:07] <Jymmm> cradek: Well, they are "stacked", or at least layered
[18:56:17] <cradek> pretty minor parallax troubles
[18:56:40] <cradek> yes but the lit-up bit isn't ever behind other engraved bits
[18:57:18] <Jymmm> It actually is, just not visiually dominate
[18:57:50] <Jymmm> the ilumination of the lit segments just contrasts very well
[18:58:20] <Jymmm> It's just like when I engrave granite or marble... it's all about contrast
[18:58:35] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: did you make it?
[18:59:03] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: that one, no.
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[19:00:01] <pink_vampire> I need to choose between polycarbonate or nylon sheet
[19:00:32] <pink_vampire> and I don't know what will work better for engraving
[19:00:41] <cradek> you will probably want to get a sample of each and try them
[19:00:53] <Jymmm> This isn't even edge lit, all about the contrast baby =) http://imgur.com/E3KzoZk
[19:01:42] <pink_vampire> qrz...
[19:04:35] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/go6krw2s0luwjc8/2014-05-01%2000.09.32.mp4?dl=0
[19:04:36] <_methods> hehe
[19:05:51] <pink_vampire> _methods: yes.. it is look gay..
[19:06:04] <_methods> hahah
[19:06:32] <_methods> perfect use for cnc machines
[19:06:37] <_methods> making fun of your buddies
[19:07:02] <_methods> he got me back though
[19:07:10] <pink_vampire> this is how you came out?
[19:09:03] <pink_vampire> ok..
[19:09:31] <cradek> I want a rainbow sign!
[19:09:49] <pink_vampire> cradek: you have to be gay first..
[19:09:56] <cradek> no problem
[19:10:22] <pink_vampire> ok.. you got it
[19:10:39] <JT-Shop> monkey pickle time
[19:11:17] <_methods> monkey puppy baby
[19:12:29] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql7uY36-LwA
[19:13:12] <pink_vampire> WTF
[19:13:33] <cradek> Has science gone too far?
[19:15:10] <_methods> hahah
[19:15:13] <_methods> or not far enough
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[19:24:46] <PetefromTn_> jeez what the hell was that?
[19:25:58] <CaptHindsight> animal hybrids... reminds me of Cheney
[19:26:09] <CaptHindsight> Balmer
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[19:30:12] <_methods> puppymonkeybaby
[19:31:07] <CaptHindsight> http://notallowedto.com/human-dog-hybrids-are-being-sold-to-the-super-rich-as-pets/
[19:31:26] <CaptHindsight> yes, it's like the Onion
[19:33:06] <PetefromTn_> HAHAHAHAhahahahahahaha that is freaking hilarious.
[19:33:25] <PetefromTn_> Gotta go get my kids from school now and try to forget that picture...
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[19:43:16] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: The only thing funnier than the story, is the comments where people believe it's true
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[19:45:00] <roycroft> i'm not sure what the point of that project is
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[19:45:29] <roycroft> the 1% are the only ones who can afford a human-dog hybrid, and the 1% are incapable of telling the difference between dogs and the 99% in the first place
[19:45:48] <roycroft> they would be paying big bucks for something they would not be able to distinguish from anything else
[19:46:14] <malcom2073> roycroft: ......
[19:46:15] <malcom2073> it's a joke.
[19:46:20] <roycroft> DUH
[19:46:39] <roycroft> are snarky comments not permitted as responses to jokes any more?
[19:46:51] <malcom2073> Snarky is lost in text without emojis :)
[19:47:08] <roycroft> hmm
[19:47:12] <CaptHindsight> \snark
[19:47:19] <roycroft> i thought that was seething with snarkiness
[19:47:26] <roycroft> i'll be more explicit in the future
[19:47:42] <roycroft> for the benefit of the dog-human brains here :P
[19:48:01] <malcom2073> See? There ya go :) You can be taught afterall
[19:48:14] <roycroft> may i have my cookie now?
[19:48:39] <CaptHindsight> \Attention: The following comment may include simile, metaphor, snark and/or sarcasm.\
[19:49:19] <roycroft> http://notallowedto.com/human-dog-hybrids-are-being-sold-to-the-super-rich-as-
[19:49:34] <roycroft> ack, sorry
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[19:57:14] <_methods> you gotta break it down barney style for Jymmm
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[19:57:33] <_methods> get out some purple markers lol
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[20:08:42] <PetefromTn_> LOL Barney style
[20:10:50] <_methods> hehe
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[20:32:58] <Simonious> Anybody played with a markforged printer yet?
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[20:45:22] <CaptHindsight> fiber reinforced thermoplastics at glacial speeds
[20:46:34] <CaptHindsight> and at 8 thou or worse resolution
[20:47:32] <CaptHindsight> at $5500 and up it's for early adopters and suckers
[20:49:17] <CaptHindsight> https://markforged.com/charles/ fiberglass-reinforced nylon steering assembly took 24 hours to 3D print
[20:49:28] <pink_vampire> http://new.abb.com/low-voltage/products/power-supplies
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[20:50:41] <pink_vampire> what category is the right to power supply for the breakout boards?
[20:51:23] <mozmck> CaptHindsight: he could have made one with a file and block of aluminum quicker ;-)
[20:52:18] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: don't start gettin all logical and everything, FDM is the future!
[20:52:49] <mozmck> A chuck of bois d'ark would have probably been stronger!
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[21:07:00] <_methods> are 3d printers still a thing?
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[21:07:38] <CaptHindsight> by 3D printers you must mean a FDM printer
[21:07:46] <_methods> yeah lol
[21:08:09] <CaptHindsight> according to their salespeople they will be taking over manufacturing
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[21:09:02] <gregcnc> certainly it will get to the point that every house has a filament feed and a utility to supply it.
[21:10:21] <CaptHindsight> as well as be made from it
[21:10:42] <CaptHindsight> food will be dispensed from it as well as water and air
[21:11:46] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight, being over 100 years old, also insisted that these silly "automatic mobile" things would never take hold ;P
[21:12:34] <CaptHindsight> attachments will be provided to reclaim any valuable resources from your bodies extruder
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[21:14:52] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: FDM is not all 3d printing, FDM is a very small subset of useful 3d printing
[21:16:40] <CaptHindsight> oh and sorry I started to talk like a fag
[21:24:43] <cradek> what's with all the anti-gay stuff in the channel today? I know you're all better than that, folks.
[21:24:59] <_methods> hey my sign was pro gay
[21:25:16] <_methods> it had pretty lights and everything
[21:25:58] <gregcnc> only ~2% of US oil/gas consumption is used for plastic feedstock/energy
[21:26:05] <gregcnc> I thought it was more
[21:26:08] <CaptHindsight> cradek: it's a line from Idiocracy
[21:27:12] <Erant> FloppyDisk5_25: In case you wanted to take a shot at that Compact 8, the guy didn't seem to want to go lower than 550.
[21:27:15] <CaptHindsight> old meme
[21:27:50] <CaptHindsight> meem even
[21:28:19] <Erant> And the change gears are ~$120+
[21:28:47] <Erant> I basically offered him $480, and then he stopped responding...
[21:29:50] <_methods> hehe
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[21:30:00] <_methods> i guess you found rock bottom
[21:30:53] <CaptHindsight> tell him that you are new to haggling and it's nothing personal
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[21:32:17] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u75XQdTxZRc
[21:32:43] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Eh, so he got the thing in a trade. And I think he's basing the value on whatever he traded for rather than the lathe itself.
[21:33:42] <gregcnc> at the markets in china they just keep lowering the price until you cave
[21:34:03] <Erant> I'm not in a rush, and there seem to be more and more small-ish lathes on CL.
[21:34:29] <Erant> I still wish I could find a way to get the 618 to my house. Has two chucks, all the change gears, some tooling...
[21:35:10] <gregcnc> isn't 6/18 about the same size and the Compact 8?
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[21:39:47] <Deejay> gn8
[21:39:51] <Erant> It is, the 618 is much farther from home though. Also the 618 comes with a cabinet.
[21:40:19] <gregcnc> I read "into"
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[21:40:47] <Erant> For some reason I never got a car license, I just have a motorcycle license. The wife has the car license, but is unavailable for the long(er) trip to get the 618.
[21:45:47] <cradek> interesting - what country has motorcycle-only licenses?
[21:45:58] <Erant> US?
[21:46:11] <cradek> huh, did not know. maybe it's some states and not others.
[21:46:17] <Erant> This is CA
[21:46:41] <Erant> CLASS: M1 - 2whl M/C, Mtr-drvn Cycle, Scooter
[21:46:45] <cradek> here in NE motorcycle is just an extra endorsement on the car license
[21:46:53] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: you just keep walking, then let the next vendor yell at them for following you into their turf
[21:47:15] <Erant> cradek: It's uncommon.
[21:47:30] <Erant> I've been at the DMV before where the guy went "We don't do those licenses."
[21:47:35] <Erant> Until I showed him.
[21:47:36] <gregcnc> I did, they say me later and gave a price I couldn't complain about and they looked upset but took my greenbacks
[21:47:38] <cradek> heh
[21:47:49] <Erant> "Oh. Euhm. I don't know how to do that..."
[21:48:07] * Erant mumbles something under his breath about the DMV
[21:48:37] <CaptHindsight> have to take a road test here on a closed course
[21:48:53] <CaptHindsight> figure 8, circle stop, ect
[21:48:57] <CaptHindsight> etc
[21:49:05] <gregcnc> probably any state with large cities?
[21:49:34] <CaptHindsight> also extra written test with 8 questions
[21:49:41] <cradek> yeah we had a (somewhat tricky) riding test too
[21:49:46] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Yeah, sounds about right.
[21:49:55] <cradek> it's been decades though since I had to take it
[21:49:59] <cradek> no idea what they do today
[21:50:09] <malcom2073> cradek: Still the somwhat tricky riding test
[21:50:13] <malcom2073> at least, in PA, MD, and VA
[21:50:22] <CaptHindsight> stopping while turning, approaching a big bump etc
[21:50:41] <Erant> So I should really go get a car license, but because I have a large-ish bike with big bags I can do 99% of what I need
[21:50:48] <Erant> And the wife has the car, so...
[21:50:55] <cradek> heh stopping while turning gets everyone the first time
[21:50:57] <CaptHindsight> might come in handy some day
[21:51:14] <CaptHindsight> i want to get my big rig license to just have it
[21:51:15] <Erant> Low impetus for me to go spend time at my favorite place in the world.
[21:51:32] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Oh, I know. I'd drive a couple of hours this weekend to go get that lathe.
[21:51:40] <CaptHindsight> and the occasional rental
[22:02:03] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P19qFzqBKGs no license required
[22:02:33] <Erant> Hehe
[22:06:41] <FloppyDisk5_25> Erant - thanks for the note!
[22:07:57] <FloppyDisk5_25> Erant - I'll offer him $390 (lowball you - hahah) and see if bites...
[22:08:08] <FloppyDisk5_25> j/k
[22:11:25] <malcom2073> Scooters that size in the USA need licenses though heh
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[22:14:43] <Erant> FloppyDisk5_25: Hey, that might help me ;)
[22:14:57] <FloppyDisk5_25> I was thinking that as well....
[22:15:22] <FloppyDisk5_25> I'm will to scratch linuxcnc irc users because I know they've helped me:-)
[22:16:39] <Erant> Though I have a feeling he probably got someone that's willing to pay more.
[22:19:19] <FloppyDisk5_25> Yeah, I saw a grizzly g4000 for $600 go in about 5 days about 2 wks ago...
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[22:23:23] <Erant> FloppyDisk5_25: Which is pretty much a Compact 8 anyway.
[22:24:23] <FloppyDisk5_25> the g4000 seemed to be fully outfitted w/ the accessories, so it seemed like a good deal.
[22:24:50] <FloppyDisk5_25> Erant - you didn't want to go for this one: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/tls/5432815862.html
[22:25:11] <FloppyDisk5_25> I saw CaptainHindsight post the pirate link and he's down to $950 on that site:-)
[22:26:21] <Erant> FloppyDisk5_25: I contacted him, he sold it.
[22:26:35] <Erant> Just because I was curious. It's missing a lot.
[22:26:54] <FloppyDisk5_25> so take down the post... I'll offer him $1200 via email - hahaha...
[22:27:05] <Erant> Hehe ;)
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[22:47:27] <Sync> CaptHindsight: I tried to find information on the braking while cornering thing, what are they doing there?
[22:53:55] <Frank__4> any advice on how to avoid any more rusting inside 4x4'' steel tube? (1.3mts) i was thinking on rubbing some oil in there, its my gantry for a cnc router
[22:58:18] <PetefromTn_> you could spray the inside with some of that por15 or something like it?
[22:58:40] <malcom2073> Could fill it with oil and cap it
[22:59:04] <malcom2073> Or fill then drain it and cap it
[22:59:16] <roycroft> or flush it with an inert gas and seal it airtight
[22:59:21] <Sync> or just let it rust
[22:59:28] <malcom2073> Though in a normal shop, I wouldn't expect it'd rust enough to cause damage for quite a long time
[22:59:57] <Frank__4> lol
[23:01:01] <Frank__4> i cant seal it airtight cuz of the holes for the linear guides, what i find annoying is that it already has some little rust from the heat treating process and leaving it in the rain..
[23:01:31] <Frank__4> does it gets much worse? would a bolted cap to the tube make a difference¿?
[23:01:46] <malcom2073> It'll rust until it's all gone.... but how long will it take? Depends on a ton of things :)
[23:02:10] <Frank__4> its 1/4'' thicj
[23:02:11] <Frank__4> thick
[23:05:11] <_methods> i can't imagine how leaving it in the rain might cause it to rust lol
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[23:06:42] <Frank__4> haha yeah, i thought they would have left it covered, it doesnt take that much space
[23:08:45] <malcom2073> You got it heat treated after welding or something?
[23:08:50] <_methods> i'd be a bit upset about that
[23:09:15] <malcom2073> Yeah, really you should be able to get them to sandblast and clean it heh
[23:11:49] <Frank__4> yes i did malcom, well now its a little bit late, everything is painted on the outside, besides i dont really think they had the equipment to sand blast it, it would have been really cool thou, i spent about 3 or 4 days cleaning everything from the main frame and the gantry
[23:12:38] <Frank__4> it was cheap anyway..
[23:12:40] <__rob> http://snag.gy/iGAI0.jpg
[23:12:46] <__rob> first part on my pcnc
[23:13:11] <__rob> well pleased with that after testing everything, it all just worked
[23:13:21] <malcom2073> I wish I could find a place to heat-treat the big frame I wanna build, would make it much easier if I could weld it
[23:15:08] <malcom2073> to economically*
[23:15:37] <_methods> __rob: nice
[23:15:40] <_methods> looks good
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[23:16:16] <Frank__4> malcom2073: whats that
[23:16:30] <malcom2073> Frank__4: Router like yours, but much bigger heh
[23:16:49] <Frank__4> oh have you seen the pics?
[23:16:59] <malcom2073> Yeah, I was talking to you about it a week or two ago heh
[23:17:02] <_methods> why did you get it heat treated?
[23:17:09] <malcom2073> I've seen renders, no actual pictures yet
[23:17:16] <Frank__4> to remove internal stresses from the welding operation
[23:17:31] <Frank__4> how much bigger are you talking about :D ?
[23:17:45] <malcom2073> 5ftx10ft :)
[23:18:47] <Frank__4> sometimes i start wandering about my next build.. i dont know if i should make it really small or full size+ big heavy 9mm thick steel tubes
[23:19:27] <Frank__4> right know i am fighting with some holes, drilling and tapping
[23:19:32] <Frank__4> already broke 2 tapps
[23:19:44] <Frank__4> i just hate to tapp stuff
[23:19:56] <Frank__4> (recently learned that) hah
[23:19:59] <malcom2073> Could you be doing something wrong?
[23:20:09] <malcom2073> Typically, they won't break
[23:20:15] <Frank__4> oh, i sure am
[23:20:39] <Frank__4> (if correctly said ??) i think the holes arent perfectly straight
[23:20:50] <Frank__4> i had to hand drill the rack holes
[23:20:53] <malcom2073> A tap will follow a hole for the most part, at least in thicker materials
[23:21:10] <malcom2073> But it helps to keep it lined up when going in
[23:21:38] <Frank__4> i blame the power drill for the first broken tapp,
[23:21:47] <Frank__4> the second one goes on me :D
[23:21:52] <malcom2073> Wait... are oyu using a drill to run the tap in?
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[23:22:15] <Frank__4> well, one tapp broke on a power drill and the other while hand starting the tapp
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[23:22:25] <malcom2073> Heh, you need special taps for doing that
[23:22:30] <__rob> I normally get the tap in on the pillar drill by hand
[23:22:39] <Frank__4> i bought a machine tap
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[23:23:19] <PetefromTn_> I have used a cordless drill with a clutch many many times with many different tap styles and never had a problem.
[23:23:34] <Frank__4> like 35$ worth of tapps throw the bin after 20 shamefull threads
[23:24:06] <Frank__4> i am using a corded drill, it doesnt have torque limit
[23:24:12] <__rob> just gotta get the feel for when its too stiff, back it up a few turns then go again
[23:24:26] <__rob> did like 40 M2 holes by hand
[23:24:34] <__rob> and they snap easily
[23:25:08] <__rob> got the feel for it after the first few tho
[23:25:21] <Frank__4> i can swear to you i did, but i think the hole wasnt straight enough, breaking the tapp easily with no excessive force at all (excuse my english)
[23:25:47] <__rob> maybe buy a better tap
[23:25:59] <__rob> better then a part with a bit of metal lodged in it
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[23:26:33] <Frank__4> yeah, maybe.. its hss, but its local production, i dont think i can find any import stuff of that kind
[23:27:17] <__rob> also you can get sets of them
[23:27:41] <__rob> for first second and final
[23:27:53] <Frank__4> thats hand tapping right?
[23:27:59] <__rob> ohh, yea
[23:28:16] <Frank__4> i understand, that if you use a power drill, the type 2 is sufficient,
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[23:28:42] <Frank__4> there isnt even a type 1 machine tap i belive, but i might be wrong
[23:28:48] <__rob> never done it with power. Hopefully that will change shortly on the tormach
[23:29:15] <malcom2073> That reminds me, I need to figure out how fast my mill has to move to run a tapamatic
[23:31:34] <Frank__4> hopefully i can use the bench press for the holes of the linear guideways.. meaning no problems with the tapping..
[23:32:15] <Frank__4> if i do encounter them.. then i will oficially retire myself from tappign anything else in my entire life T_T
[23:33:14] <_methods> taps break, the sky is blue, water is wet, it's the way of the world
[23:33:44] <PetefromTn_> taps break? ;)
[23:34:12] <Frank__4> hehe, ur right, but worst than that, is when you just cant get the broken tap from the hole
[23:34:47] <_methods> it can ruin your day for sure
[23:35:04] <_methods> always have a carbide drill or 2 around
[23:35:11] <Frank__4> i still have 1 hole with the point of the tapp inside it, most of it is actually usable, so i will make a few turns and maybe it holds
[23:35:11] <_methods> drill that bad boy out
[23:35:26] <Frank__4> carbide bits are more expensive right?
[23:35:37] <_methods> just buy one that is around your tap size
[23:35:40] <_methods> for emergencies
[23:35:51] <_methods> you can find them for decent price on ebay
[23:36:22] <_methods> what size tap?
[23:36:24] <Frank__4> yeah i should.. i dulled one new hss drill bit trying to do the same job..
[23:36:27] <Frank__4> 6x1mm
[23:36:31] <Frank__4> 1/4''
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[23:36:38] <_methods> grab a 5mm carbide 3xd
[23:36:51] <_methods> that should let you drill out any problems
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[23:37:04] <_methods> 3xd should be nice and stubby
[23:37:12] <Frank__4> whats 3xd
[23:37:19] <_methods> 3 x diameter
[23:37:24] <_methods> that's the length of the drill
[23:37:37] <Frank__4> ohhh i see
[23:38:36] <_methods> you want it as short as possible so it doesn't walk off
[23:38:50] <_methods> you can get a 5mm carbide end mill also to do the same thing
[23:38:59] <_methods> 5mm center cutting carbide endmill
[23:39:43] <Frank__4> after drilling that out, making a pass with the same size tapp, it could still be usable if i am lucky right?
[23:39:45] <_methods> it will leave some of the tap in there but you should be able to peel it out after that
[23:39:55] <_methods> pick out what's left with a pick
[23:39:59] <Frank__4> yeah, as i've been doing for the most part..
[23:40:15] <_methods> it should come out easy aftger you drill/mill it out
[23:40:24] <_methods> peel out like a helicoil
[23:40:29] <Frank__4> but those pieces got stucked after some hard hammering :D
[23:41:34] <andypugh> broken tap?
[23:41:36] <Frank__4> its called the noob way of doing things hehe
[23:41:40] <Frank__4> yeah
[23:41:48] <Frank__4> 2 actually
[23:41:53] <andypugh> You can often smash a tap.
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[23:42:33] <Frank__4> most of the tapp i could get out after smashing it, but the tip got stucked
[23:42:47] <andypugh> There are special three-fingered tools for removing taps. I have no idea if they work
[23:42:49] <Frank__4> i could get it out*
[23:43:47] <Frank__4> how are your projects going andy
[23:43:52] <andypugh> I managed to remove an EZ-out with a carbide end-mill in the milling machine. I think those are tool-steel rather than HSS though.
[23:44:17] <andypugh> Frank__4: Today I have mainly been chasing a problem with the PSU.
[23:44:43] <andypugh> After taking it apart, and much prodding with a multimeter, I noticed the breaker was tripped…
[23:45:10] <_methods> i've never had much luck with tap extractors
[23:45:12] <andypugh> (Currently different bits of the system are taking power from three separate circuits)
[23:45:19] <malcom2073> edm sinker!
[23:45:21] <_methods> if it's a regular hss tap i drill it out with carbide
[23:45:22] <malcom2073> or removing taps!
[23:45:37] <_methods> and if it's a carbide tap then i disentigrate it
[23:45:47] <Frank__4> lol
[23:45:48] <Frank__4> acid?
[23:45:52] <PetefromTn_> with your space modulator?
[23:45:56] <_methods> no tap disentigrator
[23:46:01] <_methods> EDM
[23:46:04] <PetefromTn_> I need me some a dat chit
[23:46:15] <andypugh> Actually, that’s a thought. Is it in Aluminium?
[23:46:26] <Frank__4> nope, steel..
[23:46:50] <_methods> i think the tap extractor kits have carbide drills in them
[23:47:08] <_methods> so you could theoretically go to an auto parts store and grab a tap extractor kit
[23:47:15] <malcom2073> I've seen a couple fairly inexpensive tap removing homebuilt EDM's
[23:47:22] <_methods> if you were wanting to do it right away
[23:47:35] <Frank__4> andypugh: have you finished your dads machine? i could be a little out-of-date
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[23:47:37] <andypugh> For aluminium you can use chemistry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqZYgReuywM
[23:48:19] <Sync> yup
[23:48:23] <andypugh> Frank__4: I have used my dad’s machines, but I haven’t done any work on them.
[23:49:29] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uVunn6Vux4
[23:49:34] <andypugh> Once I sorted out the servo PSU on the lathe today I made a start on machining the hole for the ballscrew / nut. I am confident that this technique will get the hole in the right place. https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6249441774433518162
[23:49:55] <Frank__4> the way things are now, i could get 1 broken tapp, and the other one that broke on me i could get it out for the most part, i'll try the carbide method, if not the hell with it, its usable (not perfect) right now.. but anyway.. i just hope not to encounter this while doing the important holes.
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[23:50:26] <Frank__4> lol
[23:50:39] <andypugh> My Chinese lathe conversion hs one hole with a tap in it and a bolt-head glued to the cover. Until moments ago I was the only one who knew that :-)
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[23:51:12] <PetefromTn_> yup before that we thought it was purfect LOL
[23:52:04] <andypugh> Do you likr my lathe apron drilling setup? I deliberately made the interface between the ballscrew and the servo drive MT3 taper so I could do this.
[23:52:26] <_methods> Frank__4: just make sure you feed the carbide drill/mill slowly the tap will want to spin and it can shatter the drill/mill
[23:52:45] <_methods> so peck at it slowly
[23:52:47] <PetefromTn_> thats a clever one you clever fellow LOL
[23:52:48] <_methods> and be patient
[23:52:53] <andypugh> The Carver-clamp on the saddle is for the tailstock to push against to provide feed.
[23:53:00] <Frank__4> now that you mention it, will the carbide bit work with a hand drill?
[23:53:43] <_methods> well i'd try and set up something as stable as possible
[23:54:06] <_methods> if you're going to use a hand drill i recommend using the drill bit rather than the end mill
[23:54:34] <_methods> i'd try to use a drill press at least
[23:54:40] <PetefromTn_> is that toolpost mount the 3d thing you were working on?
[23:54:43] <andypugh> I think anything hand-held will try to run-off and is more likely to damage the thread.
[23:55:08] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: It’s one of my custom castings, yes.
[23:55:16] <PetefromTn_> carbide drills don't do well in hand drills ;) well I should say Carbide drills don't do well in hand drills when I am running them LOL
[23:55:44] <PetefromTn_> why did you make it so elaborate when a nice chunk of steel or cast would do?
[23:55:48] <_methods> you don't have a mag drill?
[23:56:06] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Because I wanted it to look nice. :-)
[23:56:09] <_methods> i don't understand how people don't have mag drills lol
[23:56:11] <PetefromTn_> no ya got one to give me? I swear I will return it ;)
[23:56:29] <FloppyDisk5_25> focus you fack... that was a cool bolt remover video, good for canker sores as well:-)
[23:56:32] <_methods> how do you survive without a mag drill?
[23:56:37] <malcom2073> What is a mag drill?
[23:56:45] <_methods> a magnetic drill
[23:56:53] <PetefromTn_> andypugh Oh it looks nice but it might have been even more rigid if it were a big ol chunk LOL
[23:56:54] <malcom2073> yes, I'm looking at them now, what's the driving purpose?
[23:57:07] <_methods> you can use it anywhere?
[23:57:17] <malcom2073> Oh, it sticks to things
[23:57:18] <malcom2073> interesting
[23:57:22] <PetefromTn_> I have used mag drills, they are great but not cheap
[23:57:27] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Castings are cheaper than billet, much of the time, and once you are making a pattern anyway….
[23:57:27] <Frank__4> i dont have one, but there its a flat bar welded and machined, i dont think a mag drill would even fit there
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[23:58:27] <_methods> that sux
[23:58:33] <andypugh> There is some logic to the shape, it should never foul the work, and can be rotated to stretch the machine capacity a bit.
[23:58:33] <malcom2073> I guess it's useful if you work on large things you can't get a mill or drillpress on?
[23:58:42] <_methods> sounds like your in one of those pickle situations
[23:59:00] <Frank__4> i might just leave it as its right now, i have more threads than what the nut has, or if it creates problem i just drill another hole next to it..
[23:59:01] <_methods> they're made for onsite work, large things
[23:59:02] <Frank__4> thanks everyone!
[23:59:09] <andypugh> malcom2073: Yes, mag drills are great for driling holes in anything bigger and heavier than a mag drill :-)
[23:59:12] <Frank__4> as always nice to talk to you..
[23:59:16] <Frank__4> hahaha
[23:59:33] <_methods> they're life savers
[23:59:40] <PetefromTn_> andypugh looks great man don't mind me :D
[23:59:40] <_methods> oh shit fixers
[23:59:58] <_methods> like for when you break a tap in a large fixture and you need to get it out lol