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[00:31:40] <os1r1s> kyle__ You are looking to control a servo from grbl?
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[00:42:51] <CaptHindsight> what's all this talk about a servo controlled gerbil?
[00:42:57] <kyle__> os1r1s: Yes.
[00:42:59] <kyle__> Yes I am.
[00:43:08] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: lol
[00:43:17] <os1r1s> kyle__ Are you looking to control a model servo or a servo motor?
[00:43:18] <kyle__> CaptHindsight: I was attempting to control a (hobby) servo from grbl.
[00:43:32] <kyle__> model I think == hobby?
[00:43:49] <os1r1s> kyle__ There was a fork that supports a single servo
[00:44:42] <os1r1s> kyle__ https://github.com/robottini/grbl-servo
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[00:45:20] <kyle__> I don't know how that slipped through all my searches. Thank you SO much.
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[00:58:46] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/5396917491.html interesting
[01:00:45] <Crom> any good commercials at the superball?
[01:01:12] <_methods> nothing very good so far
[01:10:04] <PetefromTn_> sorry not a fan
[01:10:50] <Crom> neither am I, I'd only watch it for the commercials anyway... It's not my Fandom
[01:11:29] <_methods> i'm just watching it for the commercials
[01:11:33] <PetefromTn_> I did watch Lady Gaga Sing the National Anthem on facebook tho and it was not bad really
[01:11:52] <_methods> lots of commercials for horrible cbs tv shows
[01:11:57] <_methods> kind of a let down
[01:12:02] <Jymmm> lol
[01:12:21] <_methods> every time commercials come up cbs throws in some horrible spot that takes up a bunch of time
[01:12:37] <PetefromTn_> anything for airtime
[01:12:48] <_methods> yeah kinda sad
[01:12:55] <_methods> no one watches syndicated tv shows
[01:13:12] <_methods> these tv companies are so out of touch
[01:13:25] <PetefromTn_> that's because there is no Star Trek ;)
[01:13:38] <bobo> CaptHindsight you hear about the new mosquito viris that has been found in florida. it affects pergnant women and people named Pete
[01:13:46] <Crom> woo I'll go find that.. I'm a bit of a Gaga fan, she does have a good voice
[01:14:16] <_methods> the half time show is about to start
[01:14:23] <_methods> hopin there will be some good commercials there
[01:14:30] <malcom2073> bobo: I heard about that, I heard that petes from the tennessee region are especially suceptable
[01:15:07] <Crom> No Star Trek, no Firefly, no Sliders
[01:15:17] <PetefromTn_> I LOVE Firefly
[01:15:30] <PetefromTn_> that was such a good show before they killed it
[01:15:51] <PetefromTn_> bobo I ain't skeered of no skeeters man :D
[01:16:36] <bobo> they will get you when you sleep
[01:17:16] <malcom2073> Sliders was halariously bad, I loved that show
[01:17:21] <PetefromTn_> meh we don't plan on sleeping outside
[01:17:40] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: *inside
[01:20:41] <_methods> half time
[01:21:31] <_methods> oh surprise surprise another shitty cbs commercial
[01:23:01] <_methods> wtf
[01:23:07] <_methods> now a jeb bush commercial
[01:23:12] <_methods> i'm about to just go to bed
[01:23:22] <_methods> this is the lamest batch of super bowl commercials ever
[01:23:47] <_methods> just watch the funny ones tomorrow on youtube
[01:24:56] <PetefromTn_> up to the highest bidder man
[01:30:37] <Crom> wow Lady Gaga nailed it!
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[01:55:10] <minibnz> just mounted a spinle index on my mill.. used a hall effect sensor and placed a magnet into the spindle, drilled hole and epoxied it in.. placed sensor under the motor mount.. appears to work well on the Oscilloscope. gives me a nice square wave of 25hz for full speed.. im not looking for super accuracy just an indicator of speed so i can work out nice feed to spindle to cutter rates
[01:55:27] <minibnz> now i gotta get that signal into linuxcnc..
[01:56:34] <jdh> 1500rpm max?
[01:57:16] <minibnz> sorry that was in low gear.
[01:57:26] <minibnz> jumps tp 50hz in high gear
[01:57:51] <minibnz> dont want to labour up my cpu too much with spindle speed yet.
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[02:00:06] <minibnz> dont really see the need to put a slotted wheel on the spindle.. its only a little seig x2
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[02:04:22] <jdh> you could do thread milling
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[02:42:11] <minibnz> jdh i could also do thread milling pretty easily with gcode and the right cutter :) just program a sprial and you off :) i dont think my motor likes spinning really slow its a brished DC motor, adding a relay is easy to make it go backwards.. just not sure if it will do it
[02:43:39] <zeeshan|2> the bewst part about a production run -- when it's over
[02:43:41] <zeeshan|2> :DDDDDDDDD
[02:43:43] <zeeshan|2> doneeeeeee
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[02:59:23] <Sync> ye
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[03:01:50] <Sync> zeeshan|2: need some halp, should I develop my own rear wheel disconnect clutch with a motorcycle clutch basket or just buy a haldex and rework it?
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[03:40:28] <pink_vampire> hi
[03:40:51] <pink_vampire> I need some help with brushless motor
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[04:06:51] <Sync> pink_vampire: what kind of help?
[04:07:55] <pink_vampire> where I can find a motor with very high rpm
[04:08:06] <pink_vampire> but 50 to 100W max.
[04:08:07] <pink_vampire> http://www.ebay.com/itm/60000rpm-1-2KW-Water-cooled-Spindle-Motor-VFD-Inverter-Bracket-Pump-Pipe-New/291524603501?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3D3c1f4e6465194367882a31f5e8e11fe0%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D262166579488
[04:08:31] <pink_vampire> this one is very fast but it's 1.2KW
[04:15:56] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 did you figure out what you're gonna do on that warped plate?
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[04:26:07] <Sync> pink_vampire: nakanishi spindle
[04:26:29] <gregcnc> pink_vampire what are you using it for?
[04:27:13] <pink_vampire> I want to work high feed rate with tiny end mills
[04:28:36] <Sync> then you probably want more than 100W
[04:29:05] <Sync> http://www.ebay.com/itm/111589645844
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[04:39:32] <Sync> although that thing is basically useless with the collet
[04:39:33] <Sync> http://www.ebay.com/itm/111702680484 I mean, that's not too bad really
[04:39:34] <tcurdt> what speed does one need for aluminium vs wood? or what decides the speed one would be using? (newbie)
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[04:42:36] <tcurdt> I guess this has it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speeds_and_feeds
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[05:18:40] <XXCoder> on church sign: "Scouts are saving aluminum cans, bottles, and other items to be recycled. Proceeds will be used to cripple children."
[05:18:43] <XXCoder> well that is mean
[05:22:16] <os1r1s> trentster Around?
[05:25:44] <minibnz> i have some cans here i will fedex over :)
[05:27:42] <minibnz> argh... the hal is so damn complicated...... its taken me all day to get half a signal into the halscope.. but now i cant do shit with it.. everytime i try to assign it to a slider or meter it gives me an endless loop of errors.. can be a hal pin.. then you must specify a hal pin.. just make up you damn mind... all i want is to get a RPM reading out on the screen is it that bloody hard...
[05:29:28] <minibnz> is there a default speed meter in linuxcnc or do i have to code one into my python control panel?
[05:30:07] <minibnz> i dont even want to close the loop i just want the number on the screen..
[05:35:26] <trentster> os1r1s: yup
[05:35:47] <os1r1s> trentster So you are a big fan of clearpath servos?
[05:36:14] <trentster> os1r1s: a theoretical fan yes ;-)
[05:36:43] <os1r1s> So you would do that vs an analog DC brush servo?
[05:37:07] <trentster> As I am in the unenviable position of not owning any yet.
[05:37:18] <trentster> whats your use case and budget?
[05:38:14] <os1r1s> I've got analog servos to use
[05:38:22] <os1r1s> But someone recommended clearpath
[05:38:29] <os1r1s> And I saw your mention on the IRC logs
[05:38:33] <os1r1s> So I figured I'd ask
[05:38:44] <zeeshan|2> clearpath servos look fancy
[05:38:57] <zeeshan|2> looks useful when your controller is a noob
[05:41:30] <CaptHindsight> is "use case" similar "application?
[05:41:36] <trentster> They are also pretty economical vs sevos
[05:41:41] <trentster> *servos
[05:41:52] <CaptHindsight> similar to
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[05:42:50] <os1r1s> I was just curious what made that route better than an analog servo going through a AMC driver
[05:43:17] <zeeshan|2> noob controller like mach 3
[05:43:17] <zeeshan|2> :P
[05:44:24] <os1r1s> zeeshan|2 :P
[05:55:09] <Sync> I wonder why they always use step/dir
[05:56:56] <Sync> also wat, they don't use mains power o0
[06:01:54] <zeeshan|2> ive never bought a snapon tool from a truck
[06:01:58] <zeeshan|2> how do you find one of their trucks? :D
[06:02:04] <zeeshan|2> ive decided i want to buy a brand new torque wrench
[06:02:08] <zeeshan|2> not gonna f around with used stuff
[06:02:35] <XXCoder> why have to be snapon?
[06:02:49] <zeeshan|2> cause its the best torque wrench available
[06:03:03] <zeeshan|2> and im not trusting anything but it for my engine build
[06:03:10] <zeeshan|2> !! :P
[06:03:31] <Sync> done many engines on my 20€ china special tq wrench
[06:04:04] <zeeshan|2> but the time im done the subie engine
[06:04:12] <zeeshan|2> itll have stacked up to 8500
[06:04:18] <Sync> it is calibrated tho...
[06:04:23] <zeeshan|2> i'm not trusting my regular torque wrenches for it
[06:04:25] <zeeshan|2> not worth it man
[06:05:09] <Sync> I scored one of those tq wrench calibrators on ebay, I just run it against it everytime I do something critical
[06:05:34] <Sync> but yeah, I've been looking for one of those digital ones
[06:05:44] <zeeshan|2> all my damn subie bolts
[06:05:49] <zeeshan|2> are a mix of torque specs and torque angles
[06:05:53] <zeeshan|2> and the techangle wrench does both
[06:05:57] <zeeshan|2> which is really really nice
[06:06:11] <zeeshan|2> the mitusi engines didnt have any of that
[06:06:19] <zeeshan|2> considering subie is giving torque angles
[06:06:28] <zeeshan|2> they musta done some serious testing to determine the angles
[06:06:39] <zeeshan|2> cause last time i checked, tehre is no formula for it, you gotta do it experimentally
[06:07:26] <Sync> or they just felt like it
[06:07:32] <zeeshan|2> nah man
[06:07:34] <zeeshan|2> its pretty involved
[06:07:43] <zeeshan|2> i have an old subie manual which didnt have it
[06:09:17] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/AfFPukb.png
[06:09:23] <zeeshan|2> this is an example for the head bolts..
[06:10:12] <zeeshan|2> isnt that nuts?
[06:10:12] <zeeshan|2> lol
[06:10:25] <zeeshan|2> i never had to deal with this stuff with the 4g64/4g63
[06:10:29] <zeeshan|2> or even v8!~
[06:10:51] <Sync> ah well headbolts
[06:11:54] <Sync> well, tbh, I heard from some guys at VW here that some of the repair manual specs are just gut feelings
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[06:12:17] <Sync> as they hope that the amount of engines going through the shops is small enough to cause trouble
[06:15:06] <Sync> which is, dunno, I don't think that they would do it that way but hmm
[06:17:01] <zeeshan|2> i dont agree with that man
[06:17:09] <zeeshan|2> especially on critical bolts
[06:17:19] <zeeshan|2> they gotta be right, or they'll vibrate themself to ownage
[06:17:55] <Sync> less critical with TTY bolts
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[06:40:28] <Sync> zeeshan|2: that's also one of the nice things with the mitsus, no tty headbolts :D
[06:40:33] <Sync> so you can just reuse them
[06:48:06] <archivist> taking a bolt to yield point feels wrong
[06:51:40] <anomynou1> no no. it is normal. thats how you know if a machine would have been safe
[06:51:56] <anomynou1> and then you replace bolts
[06:52:03] <archivist> it it too close to the fatigue limit
[06:52:18] <anomynou1> i was joking
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[06:53:04] <anomynou1> what time is archivist
[06:53:09] <anomynou1> is it*
[06:53:26] <archivist> 7 am ish
[06:53:33] <anomynou1> 9am here
[06:53:51] <anomynou1> do you live in england, then?
[06:53:55] <archivist> yes
[06:53:58] <anomynou1> woohoo
[06:54:03] <anomynou1> im such a good guesser
[06:54:19] <anomynou1> the bigger island starts at cet
[06:54:22] <anomynou1> so it makes sense
[06:54:30] <Sync> archivist: it actually performs better in fatigue
[06:54:37] <Sync> as the strain is lower
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[06:55:33] <anomynous> felix nick was in use already :(
[06:59:12] <anomynous> hmm. co-worker was milling with an indexable 90deg shoulder end mill, and lost an entire tooth for chips being recut
[06:59:21] <anomynous> not just insert. the holder lost a tooth
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[07:55:01] <Deejay> moin
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[10:46:38] <thomax> hi
[10:48:31] <thomax> what is a good compromise in choosing microsteps (accuracy and speed vs. resolution) ?
[10:49:11] <thomax> i think 8 microsteps on 1.8 deg is sufficient
[10:49:41] <thomax> but i'm a noob
[10:50:39] <archivist> microsteps dont add accuracy
[10:50:56] <archivist> they are useful to reduce resonance
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[10:53:27] <thomax> they add resolution but lower accuracry and speed. resonance is another plus. but what is a good compromise
[10:54:00] <archivist> I tend to use 1/2 step
[10:54:26] <archivist> with microstepping you can get higher speeds
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[10:56:04] <thomax> 2 microsteps. does this already give steps in a diagonal or circle?
[10:56:35] <archivist> er wot, diagonal and circle?
[10:57:14] <thomax> milling a circle or a diagonal (i like to mill pcb's)
[10:58:42] <archivist> the resolution and accuracy you need mechanically is a separate problem
[11:00:55] <archivist> commanding a microstep does not mean the motor will actually move
[11:01:02] <thomax> i like to setup http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999 , which is more or less driven directly (just a pully) on a belt
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[11:01:50] <archivist> ew, we had a laugh about that design a week or three ago
[11:02:04] <thomax> oh, i thought when i use no microsteps, the motor just turns in 1.8 deg steps and microsteps divide theese 1.8 deg
[11:02:33] <thomax> what is a better design?
[11:02:51] <thomax> i mean, in terms of my bank account
[11:02:55] <archivist> you tend to get a wavy line rather than a linear division on the microsteps
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[11:05:59] <archivist> something solid without long bendy bars
[11:06:06] <thomax> more microsteps means more waves?
[11:07:10] <thomax> you mean the steel pipes are not sturdy enough?
[11:07:11] <archivist> I dont think that machine would achieve http://www.timeguy.com/cradek/cnc/pcb
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[11:09:21] <archivist> you want to work to a few thou and then propose an elastic design for the job
[11:10:11] <thomax> woah, look at this monster steppers used to make this pcb. i don't like to mill titanium or something. i already used my 3d printer for milling pcb's and thats a cheap chinese printer
[11:11:54] <archivist> quality needs a rigid machine
[11:13:08] <thomax> i need something to mill prototypes and change tools (like change the spindle with a laser or hot end)
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[11:15:02] <archivist> most of use engineer types think one machine should not be doing both
[11:15:32] <thomax> but i don't think i need a nema 34 or so
[11:15:36] <archivist> fast light weight for printing, slow rigid for milling
[11:16:15] <archivist> the forces are higher in milling
[11:16:34] <XXCoder> yeah rigidness more important
[11:16:53] <thomax> yeah, but it's just a pcb! thats 22um copper or so
[11:18:22] <thomax> my 3d printer with a bed based on 4 springs did a good quality pcb with a proxxon. i can't effort a complete workshop.
[11:18:56] <archivist> continue using that for a while then
[11:20:49] <thomax> i already have the drivers, motors and stuff.. (nema17 with 4kg/cm
[11:20:54] <thomax> )
[11:21:50] <thomax> linuxcnc drives them very ok. i just need a good and cheap setup now. with most parts from my printer and the diy store
[11:24:34] <thomax> so, if you like to suggest a better design for the same budget, you are very welcome
[11:26:42] <archivist> I built my machine from second hand parts from other machines
[11:27:17] <archivist> I dont do 3d printing or pcb milling
[11:27:39] <thomax> what are you doing than? laser cutting?
[11:28:06] <archivist> real milling
[11:28:50] <thomax> ah, right. well. thats not what i need. maybe some acrylic or such..
[11:29:01] <archivist> usually gear cutting of some form
[11:30:14] <archivist> I have measured my column bend just by leaning on it, and it is way more rigid than thin pipe
[11:30:16] <thomax> yes. thats a different league. gears for motors or something.
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[11:33:48] <thomax> well. my question about microsteps is more or less answered. thanks for that. i need to find cheap sources for my feather light pcb mill setup
[11:34:05] <thomax> thank you, more questions later.
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[11:39:16] <archivist> I wonder how many machines get scrapped because they dont actually work as well as advertised
[11:39:38] <jthornton> archivist: is the gear master!
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[11:52:53] <archivist> dunno about that
[11:58:26] <SpeedEvil> archivist: Probably about the same number as bought by idiots that can't work them and claim they don't actually work as advertised.
[12:01:30] <archivist> rofl chinese quality standard "the product has been certified up to the standard to leave the factory"
[12:01:40] <SpeedEvil> hah
[12:01:52] <SpeedEvil> 'it is not molten'
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[12:02:13] <archivist> this is on some gear cutters someone gave me the other day
[12:02:20] <XXCoder> "does not instantly kill on eye contact"
[12:02:43] <SpeedEvil> this is annoying me as I'd quite like to buy some supplements from china
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[13:09:22] <Tom_itx> happy drag arse monday
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[13:31:35] <gregcnc> back to tuning servos, hopefully I figure this out today. dreamed about tuning servos all night
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[13:46:51] <JT-Shop> once your drives are tuned this may help http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/index.html
[14:06:06] <gregcnc> I'm trying to use torque mode. First try this morning is already 1000 times better than last night. This si after reading something from NI.
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[14:28:12] <zeeshan|2> anyone here use a dial torque wrench ebfore
[14:28:28] <gregcnc> JT-shop google turned up your pages early on.
[14:29:20] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: you mean a torque wrench with a dial on it to measure torque?
[14:29:28] <zeeshan|2> http://www.toolsource.com/prod_images/predial.jpg
[14:29:28] <zeeshan|2> this
[14:29:36] <zeeshan|2> i was looking to buy a snapon techangle
[14:29:44] <zeeshan|2> but man there are so many shit reviews about em online
[14:29:46] <zeeshan|2> how they break
[14:30:00] <zeeshan|2> the pcb looks like it was assembled by a 2 year old
[14:30:02] <gregcnc> just crank it until the bolt is tight or the dial is pinned whichever is first
[14:30:13] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: no
[14:30:27] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/AfFPukb.png
[14:30:32] <zeeshan|2> i need to do torque sequences like this
[14:30:35] <gregcnc> measuring
[14:30:37] <zeeshan|2> thats why i was looking at the techangle
[14:30:48] <archivist> I have a miniature version for instrument work
[14:30:49] <zeeshan|2> but now im thinking a dial torque wrench might be better cause its mechanical
[14:30:59] <zeeshan|2> but im wondering how easy is it to read the dial
[14:31:10] <zeeshan|2> cause when youre torquing bolts, sometimes you can be straight in front of the dial.
[14:31:16] <zeeshan|2> especially of it's torqued to 100ft-lb.
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[14:31:41] <CaptHindsight> I use dial types for setting bearing preloads on differentials and transmissions
[14:31:52] <CaptHindsight> also gearboxes
[14:31:56] <JT-Shop> gotta love google
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[14:33:02] <gregcnc> my servos are getting closer http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/allkb/806F6F0B775FAF32862572FA0052F2AB?OpenDocument
[14:34:25] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: I position myself so that I can read the dial or beam
[14:34:31] <zeeshan|2> hm
[14:35:11] <archivist> nut friction is so variable, that does the setting matter that much
[14:35:20] <gregcnc> is the engine out of the car?
[14:35:23] <zeeshan|2> archivist: see my link
[14:35:32] <zeeshan|2> it uses torque angle for final torque
[14:35:35] <zeeshan|2> so friction isnt a player
[14:35:39] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: yes
[14:36:06] <gregcnc> should be easy to read no?
[14:36:42] <archivist> zeeshan|2, you dont measure the angle till you set a torque, so the initial friction is still a factor
[14:37:07] <zeeshan|2> archivist: if youre using the same conditions
[14:37:08] <zeeshan|2> its not.
[14:37:10] <gregcnc> they leave out the step where you make a sacrifice and do a dance to please Fuji
[14:37:36] <zeeshan|2> there is variance, but it is insigificant
[14:37:36] <CaptHindsight> the specs are there since the average monkey would just tighten them in random order and not measure anything
[14:37:45] <zeeshan|2> if youre not using oil like they say, then ofcourse its going to be off
[14:38:02] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: i dunno about that
[14:38:08] <zeeshan|2> they give you bolt stretch specs too
[14:38:11] <zeeshan|2> wfor the connecting rod
[14:38:18] <zeeshan|2> which i have dealt with before
[14:38:25] <zeeshan|2> but never the angle stuff
[14:38:51] <CaptHindsight> sure, they should have spec for stretch on the head, bearing caps and rods
[14:39:31] <zeeshan|2> you cant measurew the bolt stretch for the head
[14:39:33] <CaptHindsight> it's common when aluminum is mixed with iron parts
[14:39:39] <CaptHindsight> heads and blocks
[14:40:20] <CaptHindsight> there should be a spec for the head bolts length when removed and measured on a bench
[14:40:20] <gregcnc> how big does a bolt get before they have a hole in it to measure stretch?
[14:40:33] <zeeshan|2> it looks like there is no better torque wrench than the techangle
[14:40:33] <zeeshan|2> sigh
[14:40:43] <Sync> probably not
[14:40:43] <zeeshan|2> its the most accurate that i can see for a hand tool
[14:40:55] <CaptHindsight> oh well, good luck
[14:41:08] <Sync> where did you find pix of the pcb zeeshan|2?
[14:41:12] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: that is to see if the bolts are reuable
[14:41:19] <CaptHindsight> no kidding
[14:41:21] <zeeshan|2> not if they're torque correct.
[14:41:24] <zeeshan|2> who cares about that
[14:41:30] <zeeshan|2> you can do that with a mic
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[14:41:45] <CaptHindsight> you do if you want to resuse them
[14:41:52] <CaptHindsight> no kidding
[14:41:55] <zeeshan|2> i wouldn't be reusing critical bolts
[14:42:02] <zeeshan|2> they've undergone thermal fatigue
[14:42:10] <zeeshan|2> regardless of what the manufacturer says
[14:42:24] <Sync> the mitsus head has been off a few times, always reused the headbolts
[14:42:35] <Sync> they are not in their yield limit at the torque they spec
[14:42:40] <Sync> we pulltested one
[14:42:45] <Sync> it does not care
[14:42:48] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: why ask since you obviously know all about this?
[14:43:07] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: you clearly didnt understand my question
[14:43:13] <CaptHindsight> the internet
[14:44:02] <zeeshan|2> :P
[14:44:08] <zeeshan|2> i had one question only -- is the dial easy to read!
[14:44:12] <zeeshan|2> and you answered that :P
[14:44:13] <CaptHindsight> new to cars it seems
[14:44:25] <zeeshan|2> new to cars?
[14:44:26] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[14:44:34] <CaptHindsight> you fooled me
[14:45:16] <Sync> zeeshan|2: I have used the dial ones, and I find them annoying
[14:45:21] <zeeshan|2> Sync: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142862
[14:45:31] <zeeshan|2> sync that is exactly the opinion i was looking to hear !
[14:45:43] <zeeshan|2> parallax error right?
[14:45:57] <zeeshan|2> look @ the solder joints
[14:46:04] <zeeshan|2> peoples have failed
[14:46:15] <zeeshan|2> http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k294/lazyacevw/TECH3FR250/4_zps3fb10c8b.jpg
[14:46:32] <zeeshan|2> even though the polarity of the motor wire oesnt matter
[14:46:35] <zeeshan|2> its been reversed
[14:46:38] <zeeshan|2> poor craftmanship
[14:46:59] <gregcnc> that is a factory solder job?
[14:47:04] <zeeshan|2> yes
[14:47:09] <CaptHindsight> snap-on makes other crap, look at their welders
[14:47:11] <Sync> yeah parallax and the odd bolt
[14:47:33] <zeeshan|2> theres gotta be somene else who makes a nice torque wrench
[14:48:05] <zeeshan|2> if im dropping money on a tool, it better last me a lifetime :P
[14:48:27] <zeeshan|2> i've been using click types for a long time now, but i always felt like they were inaccurate
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[14:48:49] <zeeshan|2> dial inherently looks wayyyyyyyy accurate cause its completely mechanical, no spring, you're always in the elastic limit of the beam
[14:49:00] <zeeshan|2> but parallax error and resolution might be an issue
[14:49:04] <zeeshan|2> and the body is huge
[14:49:53] <gregcnc> isn't error is going to be mostly factors other than the torque wrench?
[14:50:07] <Sync> stahlwille manoskpo/sensotork zeeshan|2
[14:50:12] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: yes, but thats like saying
[14:50:22] <zeeshan|2> its okay to have an inaccurate dial indicator when measuring backlash
[14:50:52] <gregcnc> too bad they didn't put a tolerance on the toque spec, what should it be?
[14:52:13] <gregcnc> depends why use a .00005" indicator when a .001 meets spec?
[14:52:21] <_methods> lol
[14:52:46] <_methods> mo zeros is mo bettah
[14:53:22] <gregcnc> I use a .0001" when I indicate parts on the mill, but it's for the torture not because it will be better
[14:53:30] <CaptHindsight> and that's one reason heads usually have more than 1 mounting bolt
[14:53:49] <Jymmm> _methods: So more of nothing is something?
[14:53:54] <zeeshan|2> subie gives a spec for angle
[14:54:00] <CaptHindsight> so have way more than 2
[14:54:02] <_methods> Jymmm: damn skippy
[14:54:05] <zeeshan|2> but the torque values have a general range of
[14:54:30] <_methods> well for some people apparently lol
[14:54:31] <Jymmm> _methods: you kids and your something from nothing *eeeesh*
[14:54:34] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: you can't divide by zero but you can multiply by it
[14:54:47] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: lol
[14:55:14] <JT-Shop> snowing
[14:55:35] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Pick a number, any number. Now multiply it by zero and I bet I can guess what the answer is!
[14:55:39] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/BC0jXHf.png
[14:55:42] <zeeshan|2> i miss the mitsu manual
[14:55:48] <zeeshan|2> everything had proper tolerances!
[14:56:32] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Sorry to say this, but glad it's you and not me, I'm so tired of snow/rain and have been LOVING te last couple of days, ever wore shorts/tshirt yesterday!!!
[14:56:49] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: no no no, it's only works with 0's on a mic or dial indicator
[14:56:59] * JT-Shop smacks Jymmm with a wet snow ball
[14:57:04] <CaptHindsight> every 0 is 10x better
[14:57:10] <zeeshan|2> Sync: these sensotork look nice!
[14:57:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I'm fine with a single snowball, but this constant non-stop rain is just nutz!
[14:57:56] <gregcnc> http://www.tohnichi.com/torque-technical-data.asp
[14:59:32] <JT-Shop> I hear you we had a rather moist fall
[14:59:55] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: one of my friends is a fastener engineer lol
[15:00:10] <zeeshan|2> his job is to determine torques and reliabilty and process control
[15:00:22] <zeeshan|2> sounds like a boring job :P
[15:00:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PROTO-J6141F-Dial-Torque-Wrench-1000-ft-lb-1-in-Dr-/221578049936
[15:00:42] <gregcnc> what was his suggestion?
[15:00:50] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: We've had (so far) 187% rainfall. Hasn't rained this much in 14 years.
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[15:01:26] <zeeshan|2> gregcnc: for what?
[15:01:35] <gregcnc> your head bolts
[15:01:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CDI-Electronic-Dial-Torque-Wrench-/331620517046 this one has colors like the danger levels at airports
[15:01:49] <zeeshan|2> he deals with industrial stuff
[15:01:50] <gregcnc> At the factory they toque them all at once
[15:01:52] <zeeshan|2> i doubt he knows
[15:01:59] <zeeshan|2> theyre mostly dealing with hydraulic torque wrenches
[15:02:03] <CaptHindsight> " Accuracy: ± 2% CW & ± 3% CCW - of indicated value from 20% to 100% of full scale"
[15:02:47] <CaptHindsight> "Audible tone when desired torque is reached" so you don't even have to have sight to use it
[15:03:12] <CaptHindsight> N.I.S.T. traceable certificate of calibration included
[15:03:23] <zeeshan|2> cdi is the company that makes snapon's torque wwrenches
[15:03:24] <zeeshan|2> =/
[15:04:40] * zeeshan|2 is going to say f it
[15:04:43] <zeeshan|2> and get a dial torque wrench
[15:05:34] <Sync> buy de stahlwille
[15:05:41] <Sync> you know you want it
[15:05:47] <zeeshan|2> if it breaks
[15:05:49] <zeeshan|2> where to go?!
[15:05:53] <zeeshan|2> it looks pretty german
[15:05:56] <zeeshan|2> and in uk
[15:05:57] <Sync> lifetime warranty
[15:06:39] <zeeshan|2> whats the diff ebtween the manoskop and sensotork?
[15:06:47] <Sync> http://ettools.ca/
[15:06:55] <zeeshan|2> yay!
[15:08:38] <Sync> no idea tbh
[15:08:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TT-QCMF-100-Torque-Wrench-Tester-10-100-Lb-Ft-1-2-in-Sq-Dr-/321535774671
[15:09:14] <CaptHindsight> calibrate daily or whenever the temp changes by more than 2 deg C
[15:10:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/GSE-Torque-Wrench-Tool-Recorder-Monitor-Tester-Calibrating-Machine-Model-229E-/131238515483
[15:11:11] <zeeshan|2> whats that second link
[15:12:04] <zeeshan|2> i know one thing
[15:12:16] <zeeshan|2> americans electronic products are no where the same quality as japanese or german
[15:12:19] <zeeshan|2> or even taiwanese
[15:12:33] <zeeshan|2> that snapon pcb soldering job is good proof!
[15:13:22] <CaptHindsight> I send all my hand tools to Germany each year for calibration
[15:13:35] <zeeshan|2> like which ones
[15:14:00] <CaptHindsight> all
[15:14:11] <CaptHindsight> you can never be to sure
[15:15:24] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Including your crestent and pipe wrenches?
[15:16:47] <gregcnc> certainly only the metric ones, they can't calibrate to infernal over there reliably
[15:17:44] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: of course, if you don't get pipe connections right this happens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PSG2al1Sus
[15:17:55] <gregcnc> it seems that the angle is what sets most of the tension
[15:18:08] <zeeshan|2> sync found the diff
[15:18:15] <zeeshan|2> the manoskop looks like its a fixed head
[15:18:26] <zeeshan|2> sensotork you can put diff heads on it
[15:18:36] <_methods> the angle of the dangle
[15:22:13] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Um... um... um... is that counterbalanced with even more pipe and fittings?!
[15:22:16] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: https://youtu.be/08sCJVa32ik?t=8m10s
[15:22:35] <Jymmm> and ENTIRE (bed)ROOM SIZED?!
[15:25:36] <Sync> ah, noice zeeshan|2
[15:25:56] <Jymmm> lol, love the wall switch turning on the water filling the lightbulb =)
[15:27:02] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: Curly was in a similar one
[15:27:29] <PetefromTn_> you gotta be kiddin' me
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[15:29:27] <PetefromTn_> God and it moves so smoothly too :D
[15:30:58] <Sync> *RATATATATA*
[15:31:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah sounds not unlike a machine gun LOL
[15:31:18] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: That's actually one of the better episodes
[15:31:42] <zeeshan|2> Sync: just talked to the dealer that you linked me to
[15:31:53] <zeeshan|2> so both have interchangeable heads
[15:31:59] <zeeshan|2> but the sensotork has wifi in it
[15:32:04] <zeeshan|2> so you can datalog torque specs and stuff
[15:32:06] <Sync> k
[15:32:09] <zeeshan|2> and its +/-1% deviation
[15:32:13] <zeeshan|2> manoskop is +/-2%^
[15:32:19] <zeeshan|2> dude these are PROPER!
[15:32:24] <zeeshan|2> you can't overtorque em
[15:32:38] <Sync> did you expect shit from ze germans?
[15:32:39] <zeeshan|2> the torque measurement apparatus disconnects
[15:32:46] <zeeshan|2> everytime there is no torque
[15:32:48] <zeeshan|2> or overtorque
[15:32:53] <zeeshan|2> so it holds calibrations for a long time
[15:32:56] <zeeshan|2> this is what he's trying to explain to me
[15:33:00] <Sync> ah
[15:33:01] <Sync> cool
[15:33:11] <CaptHindsight> does anyone watch the Superbowl outside the US? just expats
[15:33:20] <zeeshan|2> the range is way better too 15-150ft-lb unlike snapon :P
[15:33:33] <zeeshan|2> now im really curious if this is going to cost me 12309831209832$
[15:33:34] <gregcnc> who won?
[15:33:41] <Sync> 1k€ zeeshan|2
[15:33:48] <Sync> after taxes iirc
[15:33:55] <zeeshan|2> the angle attachment is aditional
[15:34:40] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: pretty sure either the panthers or the broncos
[15:35:00] <Jymmm> lol
[15:35:19] <Sync> nah, the manoskop has it integrated iirc
[15:35:31] <zeeshan|2> sync
[15:35:32] <zeeshan|2> http://www.hanico.com/gb/grundgeraet-mit-einsteckwerkzeug-umschaltknarre-730dr-96501820.html
[15:35:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: "Good answer, good answer <audiance claps>"
[15:35:50] <Sync> at least the one at work has no external unit
[15:36:28] <_methods> broncos
[15:36:29] <Sync> ah ye, the 714 has it integrated
[15:36:30] <zeeshan|2> youre right
[15:36:35] <zeeshan|2> theres many models
[15:36:37] <zeeshan|2> confusing :P
[15:36:42] <Sync> german
[15:36:44] <Sync> :3
[15:36:48] <zeeshan|2> i was lookin at 730dr
[15:36:48] <zeeshan|2> lol
[15:37:38] <zeeshan|2> 1141 euros !
[15:37:39] <zeeshan|2> jeez
[15:37:53] <CaptHindsight> who won the halftime show?
[15:38:04] <_methods> apparently not cold play
[15:38:10] <Sync> you wanted something for life zeeshan|2 :P
[15:38:13] <zeeshan|2> haha
[15:38:28] <zeeshan|2> i could buy 3 snapons for that :P
[15:38:40] <_methods> i went to bed at the half time because the commercials were terrible
[15:38:50] <Sync> true, but you know you want it
[15:38:57] <zeeshan|2> out of my budget :)
[15:39:21] <Sync> pfft budget
[15:40:06] <CaptHindsight> I haven't watched the highlights yet
[15:41:29] <_methods> i just watched the first half it was alright
[15:41:45] <_methods> lots of fumbles, sacks and interceptions
[15:42:10] <CaptHindsight> today is still Chinese New Year
[15:45:25] <CaptHindsight> one more week until the mail starts to move again
[15:49:53] <zeeshan|2> sync
[15:49:57] <zeeshan|2> i just bought the cdi versions
[15:50:00] <zeeshan|2> theyre on sale :P
[15:50:05] <zeeshan|2> 500 bux for the 1/2"
[15:50:08] <zeeshan|2> and 450 for the 3/8
[15:50:39] <Sync> pfft
[15:50:40] * zeeshan|2 is done wasting time on torque wrenches
[15:51:12] <Sync> yeah, in the end they all are the same
[15:53:01] <CaptHindsight> http://mecmesincorp.com/torque-testing-products?keyword=%2Btorque%20%2Bmeasurement&gclid=CK76lfzC6MoCFZWMaQodToEAHQ
[15:53:34] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: i love lab grade stuff :D
[15:53:58] <CaptHindsight> http://mecmesincorp.mecmesin.netdna-cdn.com/images/Tornado_greenbottle_125.jpg this one looks interesting
[15:54:24] <CaptHindsight> for measuring the cap or shear strength of the bottle?
[15:54:33] <zeeshan|2> lol
[15:54:43] <zeeshan|2> measuring the cap it looks like
[15:54:50] <Sync> oh haha cool
[15:55:26] <archivist> waters torque watches are nice
[15:55:51] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Waters-Torque-Watch-Gauge-/222012078917
[15:56:57] <zeeshan|2> sync now im double minded about my purchase
[15:56:58] <zeeshan|2> lol
[15:57:14] <zeeshan|2> i hope i made the right choice :{
[15:57:19] * zeeshan|2 over thinks shit too much
[15:57:24] <zeeshan|2> can we stop posting torque related things!
[15:57:26] <zeeshan|2> i go in a loop
[15:58:37] <archivist> stop torquing!
[16:00:34] <PetefromTn_> Zeeshan overthinking stuff too much??? NEVA!!
[16:00:44] <zeeshan|2> lol
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[16:14:44] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tld/5431219583.html price keep dropping
[16:16:30] <_methods> oh that's kinda sexy
[16:17:39] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/tls/5387777883.html do they really get these prices for a brake lathe? $2500
[16:18:40] <CaptHindsight> _methods: what model do you think the Hardinge is? I don't see a chuck
[16:19:48] <CaptHindsight> if it's not worn out it's worth it
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[16:28:55] <bobo> zeeshan|2 here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZWeNPi2XkE , quit fooling around with those BOBO era engine designs
[16:29:28] <Erant> Any opinions on the Emco Compact 8?
[16:31:19] <Erant> And how it compares to the Atlas 618?
[16:31:53] <Erant> A compact 8 just popped up for $600 on CL, and it's much easier to get to than the 618.
[16:32:41] <_methods> CaptHindsight: i'm not sure it looks to be pre hlv
[16:34:50] <_methods> http://www.algebra-inc.com/namedpic/17753/Hardinge-Super-Precision-Lathe-with-Ametek-Tachometr-17753.jpg
[16:34:55] <_methods> that's a better pic of it
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[16:39:16] <_methods> i ugess maybe it is an hlv
[16:39:39] <_methods> hard to tell what model from that angle
[16:42:09] <CaptHindsight> is that a jury rigged lamp holder?
[16:42:14] <_methods> i think so
[16:43:18] <CaptHindsight> pass, I'd rather build one that size
[16:43:50] <_methods> looks like it has a turret toolpost
[16:44:06] <_methods> and some sort of diy thing up there by the chuck
[16:44:23] <_methods> not sure what that is
[16:44:40] <CaptHindsight> yeah worries me, but if it's still tight worth it
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[16:44:56] <Erant> Ah. Looks like people aren't fans of the compact 8.
[16:45:06] <_methods> well i've never seen one with the collet closer built into the heastock the way that one is
[16:45:29] <_methods> but the toolpost turret thing is cool as hell
[16:46:06] <_methods> ahhhhh
[16:46:11] <_methods> i think it's a hardinge HC
[16:46:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/tools-equipment/1289145-emco-compact-8-lathe-1100-a.html
[16:47:09] <CaptHindsight> Erant: if it's still in good shape then worth it for $600, otherwise pass
[16:47:38] <_methods> definitely cool
[16:47:55] <_methods> the hardinge that is
[16:48:03] <CaptHindsight> Erant: I've had Emco's with gears made of butter metal alloy
[16:48:30] <Erant> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/5438413173.html
[16:48:31] <CaptHindsight> and all the nuts for the lead screws needed replacing
[16:48:43] <_methods> looks like that toolpost turret was standard on the HC
[16:49:16] <_methods> no tailstock though
[16:49:21] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Would you pick a 618 over a Compact 8?
[16:50:53] * archivist would get a southbend
[16:51:36] <CaptHindsight> Erant: every Emco I come across is cheaply made
[16:51:59] <CaptHindsight> unless you're in a hurry I'd wait for a better deal
[16:52:27] <roh> isnt emco just like harbourfreight or what they sell chinastuff at your place?
[16:52:28] <CaptHindsight> they work, they aren't anything special
[16:52:31] <archivist> I would not describe that emco as watch or jeweler size or type
[16:52:58] <Erant> CaptHindsight: I'm not. I'll wait it out.
[16:53:18] <archivist> Erant, what do you intend making on it
[16:53:31] <roh> ah. i see.. austria... so no china for sure ;)
[16:54:15] <Erant> archivist: Internal combustion engines. Small things, mostly.
[16:54:35] <archivist> model engineering then
[16:54:46] <Erant> Sure, yeah.
[16:54:46] <CaptHindsight> you don't see many Emco's in good shape after 20 years
[16:56:37] <roh> its still better than what we got here.. old einhell crap
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[17:01:34] <Erant> archivist: From looking around, the 618's sort of my only option. I don't really have the space for anything bigger
[17:01:47] <Erant> And the alternative's pretty much a Sieg (or apparently this Emco)
[17:04:08] <archivist> I like an upward V on the bed, the atlas is like a myford over here popular with model makers and rectangular ways that have play when worn
[17:04:36] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/for/5431365639.html $150!
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[17:06:12] <Erant> Maybe I'll low-ball the Emco.
[17:06:19] <Erant> And see if he bites.
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[17:17:08] <PetefromTn_> well so far these fragile looking engravers seem to be working quite well surprisingly ;)
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[17:41:25] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: which ones
[17:45:28] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/wVqYUUS.jpg
[17:45:32] <zeeshan|2> damn this guy is quick
[17:45:38] <zeeshan|2> all ready to go
[17:46:37] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 These are from BitsandBits company... those look nice man
[17:46:51] <zeeshan|2> thanks man
[17:46:53] <zeeshan|2> which ones exactly?
[17:46:57] <zeeshan|2> ive been looking for good engravers
[17:47:32] <zeeshan|2> hm they look very similar to the chinese ones
[17:49:36] <PetefromTn_> These are the 1/4x2
[17:50:17] <PetefromTn_> I don't know honestly how you would tell a single flute engraver from them from anyone else's single flute engravers really? I mean they could be chinese... I don't know
[17:50:29] <zeeshan|2> the geometry of em
[17:50:32] <PetefromTn_> I did mistakenly buy the wrong tip angle
[17:50:53] <zeeshan|2> and no marks indicator tool manufacturer
[17:50:57] <zeeshan|2> indicating
[17:51:15] <PetefromTn_> well then they must be chinese then heh
[17:51:31] <zeeshan|2> youve done a lot of enraving
[17:51:35] <zeeshan|2> in those steel flanges
[17:51:40] <zeeshan|2> so they work! :P
[17:51:56] <PetefromTn_> I would not be on here squalking about them if they did not work
[17:52:03] <zeeshan|2> they didnt work for me
[17:52:07] <zeeshan|2> in ss304
[17:52:08] <PetefromTn_> they are reasonably priced and work fine
[17:52:23] <PetefromTn_> you got yours from BitsandBits company?
[17:52:27] <zeeshan|2> no
[17:52:52] <Connor> PetefromTn_: I get engraving bits from here.. http://www.precisebits.com/ or a reseller..
[17:53:07] <PetefromTn_> I should have gotten like 60 degree or larger
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[17:53:57] <PetefromTn_> Connor they don't appear to sell this style in the size I want
[17:54:30] <Connor> The ones I got where for PCB trace isolation engraving.
[17:55:05] <PetefromTn_> these are being used to engrave steel plates
[17:55:49] <PetefromTn_> they gotta be kinda tough and these pointier ones are a bit fragile. I think I just broke one unfortunately.... it did make several plates before it broke tho..
[17:56:37] <Connor> Yea, these are for plastic and non-ferrous
[17:57:36] <__rob> can anyone tell me how they get rid of discrepancy (talking 100ths of mm) when setting up
[17:57:48] <__rob> do you set the tool size to be slightly smaller/larger than it is ?
[17:58:23] <archivist> I machine, measure, adjust code
[17:58:54] <__rob> yea, so I am wondering if its my method, the tool, or the machine
[17:59:09] <archivist> or all of the above
[17:59:10] <__rob> tried to leave 0.2mm and then take that out in 2 passes with a 4 flute cutter
[17:59:23] <__rob> but still getting in the order of 1/20th of a mm out
[17:59:23] <archivist> nothing is exact
[17:59:35] <__rob> dunno if I should expect better or not
[17:59:47] <archivist> the tool and machine can flex too
[18:00:13] <__rob> yea, of course, but just wondering if climb vs convential cutting settings will make alot of difference
[18:00:29] <__rob> things like that
[18:00:33] <archivist> yes if it is a small endmill
[18:00:49] <__rob> well that was with a 10mm
[18:02:24] <zeeshan|2> i honestly dont even do a finishing pass on aluminum anymore
[18:02:26] <zeeshan|2> if im using my 3/4" cutter
[18:02:30] <zeeshan|2> just go right to sizer
[18:02:31] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:02:36] <__rob> what sort of tolerances for general machining are you working too then ?
[18:02:44] <zeeshan|2> 2 thou
[18:02:44] <Erant> My machine is very light, so it flexes when taking heavier cuts.
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[18:02:57] <maxcnc> hi all
[18:03:01] <__rob> this is a PCNC 1100
[18:03:09] <maxcnc> internet is back up at the shop
[18:03:18] <zeeshan|2> __rob: really only one way to find out
[18:03:23] <zeeshan|2> do a block test
[18:03:32] <zeeshan|2> machine steps on it and measure em with amic
[18:03:36] <FinboySlick> Hehe, I misread that and I thought zeeshan was saying his machine is very light and flexes. Had a bit of a jolt there.
[18:03:36] <zeeshan|2> with different cutting parameters
[18:03:58] <zeeshan|2> FinboySlick: my machine is light
[18:04:06] <zeeshan|2> my buddies deckel is so nice
[18:04:14] <archivist> how concentric is the tool, how accurate was the tool diameter etc
[18:04:17] <zeeshan|2> everytime i see it, i want to work harder to build my shop
[18:04:28] <FinboySlick> zeeshan|2: I guess it's all a matter of perspective.
[18:04:39] <zeeshan|2> FinboySlick: yes
[18:04:45] <Erant> FinboySlick: Hah. Nope ;) I'm learning to deal with it though. X axis is more rigid than the Y for example.
[18:05:03] <maxcnc> __rob: if you build on your own you are down to 2k price
[18:05:30] <maxcnc> for base
[18:05:49] <zeeshan|2> Wolf_:
[18:05:51] <zeeshan|2> where have you been
[18:11:02] <zeeshan|2> https://store.snapon.com/Shallow-mm-Set-Socket-Metric-Shallow-Impact-155-to-200-mm-10pc-6-Point-P737947.aspx
[18:11:02] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:11:10] <zeeshan|2> the world's most expensive socket
[18:12:29] <archivist> you get 10 in the set!
[18:12:38] <zeeshan|2> just 1
[18:12:42] <zeeshan|2> :{
[18:12:45] <zeeshan|2> for that much money
[18:12:47] <zeeshan|2> i'd fucking make it myself.
[18:12:50] <zeeshan|2> that is retarded
[18:13:00] <zeeshan|2> oh its a SET
[18:13:02] <zeeshan|2> nm!!!!!!!
[18:13:17] <zeeshan|2> ah each socket is like 3k
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[18:13:39] <archivist> each one hand crafted
[18:13:45] <zeeshan|2> i wonder where you'd be using a 200mm socket
[18:14:09] <archivist> quarry dump truck
[18:14:09] <zeeshan|2> and how do you install those?!
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[18:15:04] <zeeshan|2> http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b81e8fa2fed839ecd9b94856dfa649589288ef30/c=112-0-1887-1331&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2015/05/13/GreenBay/B9317320004Z.1_20150513182717_000_G17APEBD3.1-0.jpg
[18:15:14] <zeeshan|2> i guess that socket isn't big enough for this nut!
[18:15:37] <maxcnc> zeeshan|2: you nned this to mount a catapillar 785
[18:16:35] <maxcnc> oh archivist just pointed
[18:17:01] <maxcnc> Deejay: ? wetter
[18:18:05] <maxcnc> im tirered broncos did got me not mutch sleep at SB50
[18:18:13] <FloppyDisk> CaptainHindsight that emco 8 is here as well: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/tls/5432815862.html
[18:18:45] <FloppyDisk> I was scared off w/ lack of tooling... You could buy the 3 & 4 jaw chucks, but doesn't seem to make it a deal w/ out those parts.
[18:18:50] <archivist> zeeshan|2, Each 797 wheel is attached to the axle using 54 nuts that are torqued to 2,300 lb·ft
[18:19:03] <zeeshan|2> :D
[18:19:08] <DaViruz> i think i have a tap for a thread that size somewhere
[18:19:19] <zeeshan|2> what is the hex size tho archivist
[18:19:42] <zeeshan|2> they look like 2-3 inch hex (measured across flats)
[18:19:48] <zeeshan|2> but i dont have a size on scale based on pics
[18:19:51] <zeeshan|2> cause those things are massive !
[18:20:06] <maxcnc> what force is needed to thighten them
[18:20:18] <FloppyDisk> CaptainHindsight http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/5438413173.html What about this?? Is it missing gears?
[18:20:25] <archivist> I imagine the crankshaft pulley nut is bigger
[18:21:58] <Erant> FloppyDisk: Oh that's actually a good point. Doesn't say that it comes with change gears...
[18:22:30] <FloppyDisk> He doesn't show the pix, so gotta assume they're not htere.
[18:22:41] <FloppyDisk> He has pix of 'everything else'
[18:22:47] <zeeshan|2> ask
[18:22:53] <FloppyDisk> zeeshan - yup.
[18:23:15] <zeeshan|2> looks lioke a very nice lathe
[18:23:17] <zeeshan|2> that second link you posted
[18:23:25] <maxcnc> Fls question as we here dont use Servos at all and they are getting cheeper and cheeper what gearing are you using on them for little mashines
[18:23:28] <FloppyDisk> I'm no lathe expert, but it seems most of the lathes this size have change gears...
[18:23:42] <zeeshan|2> FloppyDisk: yes for threading
[18:24:08] <FloppyDisk> Threading seems to be rather important on a lathe:-)
[18:24:26] <zeeshan|2> FloppyDisk: its funny when i was converting my old 12x36 lathe to cnc
[18:24:30] <zeeshan|2> i removed all that crap
[18:24:31] <Erant> I've reached out to the guy, trying to lowball him a little. Offered $400 if it's in good condition.
[18:24:57] <zeeshan|2> erant that isnt a lowball
[18:24:58] <zeeshan|2> :P
[18:25:09] <zeeshan|2> lowball would be 250$
[18:25:09] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:25:22] <Erant> Fair enough. We'll see what he says.
[18:25:40] <zeeshan|2> the selling "as is where is"
[18:25:47] <zeeshan|2> means he/she just wants to get rid of it
[18:25:49] <FloppyDisk> Erant - I live right near there, if you come by to pick it up, you should stop by. I am always looking to meet fellow linuxcnc'ers.
[18:25:51] <zeeshan|2> and doesn't care about it
[18:25:53] <Erant> True
[18:26:02] <zeeshan|2> so your offer might be very close
[18:26:11] <zeeshan|2> i think you'll eventually come to 475-500
[18:26:27] <FloppyDisk> Yeah, I was thining $500 wouldn't be too bad...
[18:26:39] <Erant> The change gears come out to be about $100, apparently.
[18:26:46] <FloppyDisk> That's not too bad.
[18:26:50] <CaptHindsight> https://store.snapon.com/Shallow-inches-Set-Socket-Shallow-Impact-6-3-4-to-8-11pc-6-Point-P737944.aspx the wrench comes with a service tech for the firs 6 months
[18:27:14] <zeeshan|2> lol CaptHindsight
[18:27:34] <zeeshan|2> i think snapon ratchets are worth every peny
[18:27:41] <maxcnc> im closing down the store for today have a good night
[18:27:43] <CaptHindsight> I don't see the price of the drive or wrench
[18:27:45] <zeeshan|2> but sockets and stuff
[18:27:45] <FloppyDisk> zeeshan - that's a good point on removing the gears. I would like to cnc, but too many projects at the moment, but down the road...
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[18:28:34] <zeeshan|2> FloppyDisk: realistically when i was using my lathe
[18:28:43] <zeeshan|2> anything less than a 3/4" thread i'd do with die stock
[18:28:51] <zeeshan|2> it was quicker for me
[18:29:04] <zeeshan|2> but things like 1-1/2" threads (like on oil filler cap weld fittings)
[18:29:06] <zeeshan|2> id do with the lathe
[18:29:09] <FloppyDisk> I would guess...
[18:29:12] <zeeshan|2> really all depends on what youre doing
[18:29:44] <FloppyDisk> Yeah, I'm not planning on many oil filler caps, although those darn things always get stripped by the knuckle-heads at the oil change places...
[18:30:00] <zeeshan|2> lol
[18:30:04] <FloppyDisk> maybe different oil filler cap.
[18:30:08] <archivist> zeeshan|2, next toy will be a torque multiplier for the large sockets
[18:30:22] <zeeshan|2> archivist: those are cool, seen them on discovery channel
[18:30:23] <zeeshan|2> :)
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[18:30:44] <zeeshan|2> i really wanted to engineer heavy machinery as a career
[18:30:49] <zeeshan|2> but it looks like career is going towards automation
[18:30:58] <archivist> zeeshan|2, crank pulley nut beat us even with a torque multiplier
[18:31:06] <gregcnc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou9tAhMmrOE
[18:31:31] <zeeshan|2> man that torque wrench looks scary to operate
[18:31:36] <zeeshan|2> it'd enough to rotate a 250lb man
[18:31:47] <zeeshan|2> *it looks like its got enough torque
[18:31:51] <Erant> FloppyDisk: You looking for a lathe? I'd hate to price each other out.
[18:32:38] <archivist> zeeshan|2, I have the old version of http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sykes-pickavant-torque-multiplier-5-1-multiplication-/301867552522
[18:32:40] <FloppyDisk> Erant - I am, but not that hard and I'll stay away from that one since you're going after it. But, you need to stop by and show it to me when you get it:-)
[18:32:56] <FloppyDisk> I live in Fremont...
[18:33:43] <CaptHindsight> life size Tonka trucks
[18:34:07] <Erant> I live in SF, but I work in Sunnyvale, so not that far away
[18:35:47] <FloppyDisk> Nice - and you have room for a shop in SF?
[18:38:29] <Erant> I have a 2 car garage. The wife's car takes up one spot, and I have the other spot for my shop.
[18:38:35] <Erant> So, yes, but it's small.
[18:40:43] <gregcnc> Those 2.5" impact wrenches are rated to 50,000 Ft-Lb
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[18:42:10] <FloppyDisk> Same here... Although I got some equip (chop saw, drill press, plus other stuff) and the wife's car is now outside...
[18:44:34] <FloppyDisk> I had some in storage for bit, but not worth it... Need a drill press?
[18:44:40] <FloppyDisk> that doesn't run...
[18:44:44] <FloppyDisk> rockwell???
[18:47:03] <jarshvor> hi all, im not sure if this is a good place to ask this, but I'm trying to get my Roland Modela MDX-650 pro to talk to me back through the serial cable. i.e: I wanna find out the given position of the machine ala M114, alas the NC programmers manual makes no reference to anything like M114. Any body got any ideas?
[18:52:36] <CaptHindsight> jarshvor: we can help you replace the current controls so it can :)
[18:53:18] <jarshvor> by controlls do you mean controller board? :P
[18:53:41] <CaptHindsight> board, computer, encoders, motors etc
[18:54:05] <CaptHindsight> the label is probably fine :p
[18:54:24] <jarshvor> ^^ hahaha yeah.. that would be nice. Im not sure I can justify it right now though.
[18:54:47] <jarshvor> You see its the university's I workking with.
[18:54:50] <CaptHindsight> maybe there is a Roland forum out there
[18:55:11] <jarshvor> also I kindof have to do just that for a refurbished laser cutter I aquired
[18:55:23] <jarshvor> that one *is* mine (evil grin) :P
[18:56:36] <jarshvor> ive been looking at smoothieboard for that. the software it came with is so obscure I cant even find it on the internet.
[18:57:19] <jarshvor> but the roland is serving me ok just catting the Gcode file to it for now.
[18:57:56] <jarshvor> admitidly im just doing 2D-ish stuff atm. (still beggining in this cnc world :)
[19:01:58] <anomynous> how do they cut with carbide endmills with g0? o.0
[19:02:05] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3AqIZURMbI
[19:02:07] <anomynous> like this
[19:05:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Lathe-Mori-Seiki-SL-3H-/321998409795 $2,500
[19:08:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-southbend-lathe-as-is/272123315727 wow 24 bids and up to $205 and looks like it was previously used as an actual boat anchor
[19:09:20] <anomynous> a little bit of oil and its good to go
[19:09:33] <CaptHindsight> as anew boat anchor
[19:09:36] <anomynous> yea
[19:09:46] <anomynous> i wonder if that mori seiki has rotating tools
[19:10:03] <anomynous> i mean, if the turret works.
[19:10:13] <CaptHindsight> I don't believe it has a c-axis
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[19:10:29] <CaptHindsight> there was one near me in perfect shape for $3k last week
[19:10:54] <anomynous> i was just joking about the turret being so loose tools rotate on contact with work piece, or dont rotate at all because it doesnt work
[19:10:58] <anomynous> but it was just a bad joke
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[19:11:20] <jarshvor> on a side note. I definetly have to switch up the controller board for the laser cutter. But when I first encountered it i was trying to interface with it just as I am doing with the roland. gcode > serial connection. But all I have on the laser cutter is ethernet and a usb port for cutting from dongle. Any idea how and if it would just accept gcode on some ethernet port?
[19:12:02] <Topy44> helloes
[19:12:13] <Topy44> anyone happen to have any experience laser-cutting POM?
[19:12:22] <Topy44> 3mm black POM sheets to be exact
[19:13:27] <CaptHindsight> _methods: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARDINGE-TOOL-ROOM-TURRET-LATHE-/331771273730
[19:14:46] <CaptHindsight> is the cross slide see-through?
[19:17:11] <_methods> yep that's it
[19:17:25] <_methods> nm
[19:17:39] <_methods> not the same as the one you were lookin at earlier
[19:18:14] <Topy44> actually let me ask differently: i need a black 3mm plastic sheet, stiff, not too brittle, not too expensive, that is well suited for laser cutting.
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[19:19:34] <FloppyDisk> the price is right for that tool room lathe...
[19:19:37] <_methods> the cross slide is there it's just in the other pics
[19:19:55] <gregcnc> cut off slide?
[19:19:55] <_methods> which one?
[19:20:01] <_methods> speed slide
[19:20:10] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uKgAAOSwDuJWuJt7/s-l1600.jpg
[19:20:49] <CaptHindsight> but I want the turret on the cross slide!
[19:20:51] <_methods> you could make a bunch of little damnits real quick on that thing
[19:21:27] <PetefromTn_> I had a machine just like that for awhile
[19:22:25] <PetefromTn_> wound up just selling it since it did not have leadscrews and did not want to spend lot of time reinventing the wheel... It would have been great for just manual work if you had the toolholders for it
[19:22:54] <_methods> yeah those were the human equivalent of cnc lol
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[19:26:30] <_methods> but i'm pretty sure the one we were looking at earlier is a hardinge HC
[19:26:33] <Ralith> jarshvor: ideally, you'd want to find whatever control software it's supposed to use, run a test job, and look at what's going over the wire
[19:26:42] <_methods> that one with the turret is a dv-59 i think
[19:26:48] <_methods> http://jamesriser.com/Machinery/Hardinge/Chucker.html
[19:27:05] <Ralith> jarshvor: of course, reverse-engineering a control system like that is going to be a major software project...
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[19:30:57] <jarshvor> Ralith: not planning to reverse-engineer it really. not worth it. will end up getting a open source controller board for it. Was just curious as to how the data transfer is impremented. as in if it just dumps the gcode commands on an ethernet port. Is there such a thing as serial over ethernet?? (forgive me if im saying stupid) By listening over the wire do you mean with something like wireshark?
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[19:31:48] <jarshvor> im not really very knowledgeable on ethernet protocol
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[19:32:10] <Ralith> jarshvor: if it's actually ethernet, then they would almost certainly be using some sort of IP data stream. If it's just RJ-45 that plugs into some proprietary box, it could be anything at all.
[19:32:42] <Ralith> if it's IP, wireshark would be the thing, yeah
[19:33:10] <Ralith> wouldn't be surprised if it spoke some simple proprietary TCP protocol
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[19:33:35] <jarshvor> :/ hmm I see. thanks a lot Ralith . Well the machine does get an IP adress. I can tell you that. cant remember now if I actually had time to check for open ports
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[19:34:23] <Ralith> it DHCPs? geez
[19:34:48] <Ralith> I wouldn't want to control machinery like that over an open network
[19:34:58] <jarshvor> so I guess reading up on the wireshark man would be the thing? Id have to get the proprietary soft and the cutter to talk first and then intercept with wireshark right?
[19:35:06] <jarshvor> maybe its not dhcp
[19:35:09] <Ralith> yep
[19:35:24] <jarshvor> i seem to recall it having some config on the lcd panel
[19:35:36] <jarshvor> so its manually connected
[19:36:45] <jarshvor> Are you talking about general local network security or is there something intrinsically bad about maybe connecting a laser cutter on a LAN?
[19:37:58] <Wolf_> zeeshan|2: hiding...
[19:38:04] <zeeshan|2> why
[19:38:06] <Ralith> just the potential for intereference from unrelated network traffic and infrastructure
[19:38:08] <zeeshan|2> =D
[19:38:22] <Ralith> lot more things to go wrong mid-job
[19:38:40] <Ralith> depends on the protocol, of course, it might transfer the whole job before beginning execution
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[19:43:01] <__rob> anopther question!
[19:43:23] <__rob> how much should i rely on the reference setting being exactly the same each time
[19:43:34] <__rob> every time i start path pilot, I have to ref each axis
[19:43:48] <__rob> so if I have a work offset saved, should this be redone
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[19:43:51] <__rob> after each ref
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[19:44:30] <jarshvor> Ralith: hmmm.. I see. what if it was in its own private lan? that would be better then no? It just seems to me like it defeats the pourpose of having ethernet if you have to be teethered to a specific computer no?
[19:44:34] <__rob> or is the reference position going to be repeatable with mechanical switches to less than 1/20 of a mm
[19:45:56] <Ralith> jarshvor: no matter how it's used it's a more robust connection than, say, serial
[19:46:03] <Ralith> and more common on modern computers
[19:46:31] <jarshvor> yeah :)
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[20:23:20] <kb8wmc> is there some setting in ini that causes machine to slow to a stop when jogging with keyboard? When I jog the machine begins to pick up speed and when I release jog key machine continues to move in jogging direction while slowing to stop...
[20:23:51] <cradek> your acceleration is probably set wrong (too low) if you notice that
[20:24:15] <cradek> all motion honors that setting
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[20:24:45] <kb8wmc> good day to you cradek, havent said hi in a while, and tnx bunches for info, I will check it out...how you been?
[20:25:16] <cradek> my life is very full and quite enjoyable lately
[20:25:34] <kb8wmc> very good, most happy to hear that....
[20:25:37] <Wolf_> zeeshan|2: no reason, just been busy trying to get other stuff done
[20:26:23] <kb8wmc> thanks again cradek
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[20:42:57] <kb8wmc> cradek: that fixed the situation, tnx again
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[20:53:58] <gregcnc> I'm happy with axis tuning for now. Now, I have to figure out how to get 7i77 to drive a VFD. I get absolute voltage at analogout5, but how do I configure the direction signal?
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[21:11:23] <t12> friend got a 3d camera
[21:11:36] <t12> https://theta360.com/s/gC0jKAL6t7t6cBk3xE24HLM36
[21:18:19] <zeeshan|2> nice shop
[21:20:38] <CaptHindsight> do the corners of the room get squished due to some magnetic field when there in person or is that just an aberration of the camera and lens?
[21:22:14] <CaptHindsight> try zooming out all the way and then panning
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[21:27:13] <t12> i think thats a general optical thing
[21:27:18] <t12> of distortion projecting on 360?
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[21:27:53] <zeeshan|2> very nice shop
[21:28:06] <zeeshan|2> welding on hasrdwood floors
[21:28:07] <zeeshan|2> lol
[21:28:40] <t12> lol yeah
[21:28:43] <t12> at least its only tig
[21:28:47] <t12> work with what you have!
[21:29:00] <zeeshan|2> i have that tig :D
[21:29:06] <zeeshan|2> lincoln precision tig 225
[21:29:07] <zeeshan|2> i love it
[21:29:21] <zeeshan|2> when i first got it
[21:29:26] <t12> i like it except for duty cycle
[21:29:27] <zeeshan|2> i was welding on a coffee table
[21:29:28] <zeeshan|2> i set it on fire
[21:29:44] <zeeshan|2> whats wrong with the duty cycle
[21:29:48] <zeeshan|2> unless youre doing 200A
[21:29:53] <zeeshan|2> it seems to take everything well
[21:29:57] <zeeshan|2> i know its 90A continuous
[21:30:02] <zeeshan|2> but ive welded plenty at 160-170A
[21:30:06] <zeeshan|2> continuous and it doesnt overheat
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[21:42:46] <PetefromTn_> I Tig weld here in my shop on top of an MDF table quite a bit LOL
[21:44:44] <JT-Shop> gregcnc: I think there is a direction pin... look at your hal pins
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[21:45:32] <CaptHindsight> the more I shop around for TIG's the more I just want to modify an Everlast
[21:46:05] <PetefromTn_> they are pricey for sure... and people think the real old ones are worth a fortune too
[21:46:49] <CaptHindsight> not really much to them
[21:46:57] <PetefromTn_> Speaking of Tig units I left mine at the race shop because they told me that they wanted to try to assemble some more manifolds so I can tig weld them up for them
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[21:47:02] <CaptHindsight> IGBT vs old transformer
[21:47:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah the new ones are quite good even some of the chinese ones
[21:47:48] <CaptHindsight> the Chinese ones just need some upgrades and a once over
[21:48:00] <PetefromTn_> But I just dropped off some more manifold exhaust plates I machined and I saw that they were trying to use my Tig while I was not there...
[21:48:17] <PetefromTn_> so I may just have to tell them to bring it here and I will weld what they need over here for them.
[21:48:33] <CaptHindsight> I've been looking at the Miller and Lincoln tear downs as well
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[21:48:46] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_: get the house deal done?
[21:49:04] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop yeah it is looking that way...
[21:49:12] <JT-Shop> cool
[21:49:21] <JT-Shop> or rather warm for you...
[21:49:24] <PetefromTn_> we apparently have an aggreement on the work to be done on the house before we close as of this morning
[21:49:48] <PetefromTn_> I am waiting to get our counter signed contract back so I can sign it and then it is a done deal.
[21:50:07] <PetefromTn_> All that is left is the appraisal and I don't see that being a problem but ya never know...
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[21:50:50] <PetefromTn_> I spoke to my Best Friend in Florida today he lives in Jupiter...
[21:50:53] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/for/5431365639.html $150 and ~800lbs
[21:51:03] <PetefromTn_> He said the weather was GORGEOUS today rubbing it in....LOL
[21:51:10] <JT-Shop> lol
[21:51:18] <JT-Shop> cold and windy here
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[21:51:43] * JT-Shop goes back to trying to find a motherboard with pci, pcie, and a floppy header
[21:51:48] <PetefromTn_> http://www.usaweld.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=70221-12.5 This is supposed to be a fabulous machine
[21:52:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah we are supposed to be getting some of the white stuff tonight and tomorrow
[21:53:08] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: they are local, I'll probably drop in and try a few
[21:53:18] <PetefromTn_> who USAWELD?
[21:53:26] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[21:53:53] <PetefromTn_> nice I have not used one but a lot of the top Tig welders in the automotive circles all seem to have that machine or one of its siblings
[21:54:43] <zeeshan|2> pete
[21:54:46] <zeeshan|2> di dyou see the new lincoln machine?
[21:54:52] <zeeshan|2> its cheaper than that
[21:55:23] <PetefromTn_> no
[21:55:30] <zeeshan|2> http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-ca/Equipment/Pages/product.aspx?product=K5126-1(LincolnElectric)
[21:55:33] <zeeshan|2> only 200A
[21:55:33] <zeeshan|2> but
[21:55:34] <PetefromTn_> thermal arc is also supposed to be a decent inverter
[21:55:36] <zeeshan|2> very nice
[21:56:22] <CaptHindsight> TIG: 200A/25%
[21:56:42] <PetefromTn_> it seems like that is a pretty stripped down unit no?
[21:56:56] <zeeshan|2> no
[21:56:59] <zeeshan|2> it has ffreq control
[21:57:02] <zeeshan|2> pulse etc
[21:57:06] <zeeshan|2> its not as advanced as the miller dynasty
[21:57:19] <zeeshan|2> but i know its better than my transformer style
[21:57:22] <PetefromTn_> oh it does ok
[21:57:27] <zeeshan|2> you can get really narrow beads w/ al
[21:57:46] <zeeshan|2> you can plug it in both 110 or 230 v circuits
[21:57:50] <zeeshan|2> so useful when youre portable
[21:58:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah I saw that
[21:58:05] <PetefromTn_> how much?
[21:58:15] <zeeshan|2> my buddy bought it for 1400 usd
[21:58:23] <zeeshan|2> thats dirt cheap for a tig
[21:58:34] <PetefromTn_> wonder if its chinese inside?
[21:58:37] <CaptHindsight> blue and red have dealers and parts everywhere
[21:58:38] <zeeshan|2> no
[21:58:40] <zeeshan|2> italy
[21:58:44] <zeeshan|2> from what ive read
[21:58:46] <CaptHindsight> and their accessories are not junk
[21:59:22] <CaptHindsight> but you pay near 2x vs Everlast
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[21:59:31] <zeeshan|2> fuck everlast
[21:59:35] <zeeshan|2> if their tigs are like my plasma cutter
[21:59:38] <zeeshan|2> they are a pos
[21:59:46] <zeeshan|2> =/
[21:59:55] * zeeshan|2 apologizes for the anger
[22:00:10] <CaptHindsight> thank you for that insightful comment
[22:00:13] <PetefromTn_> honestly if that lincoln is what you say it is that is a big contender for the everlast models
[22:00:24] <zeeshan|2> the website says it
[22:00:26] <PetefromTn_> it is about the same price
[22:00:26] <zeeshan|2> not me! :P
[22:00:39] <PetefromTn_> and its red so
[22:00:42] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[22:00:45] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: the torch stopped working after 8 uses.
[22:00:58] <zeeshan|2> everlast customer support is horrible
[22:01:08] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPPgiwYZriQ Everlast PowerMTS 251si PULSE MIG & TIG
[22:01:10] <zeeshan|2> they wanted me to ship the unit back to their headquarters .
[22:01:32] <CaptHindsight> yeah but I fix most everything myself
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[22:01:37] <PetefromTn_> I don't think I would want a MIG/TIG unit or any other combo machines
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[22:01:52] <CaptHindsight> and would probably upgrade it while in there
[22:02:10] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: what tig do you have
[22:02:39] <CaptHindsight> I'm shopping
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[22:03:21] <_methods> shopping?
[22:03:26] <_methods> new shoes
[22:03:36] <CaptHindsight> the everlast torch seems a but cheap
[22:03:56] <CaptHindsight> _methods: not just shoes but front teeth as well
[22:04:01] <_methods> hehe
[22:04:25] <CaptHindsight> got tired of the single silver $
[22:04:34] <CaptHindsight> to bling
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[22:06:38] <_methods> do people modify the everlasts?
[22:06:59] <CaptHindsight> slightly fancy power supplies and pulse generators
[22:07:22] <_methods> hmmm i'll have to check that out
[22:07:29] <_methods> never really thought about modding them
[22:07:52] <CaptHindsight> to me everything is a pile of parts
[22:08:11] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: even oatmeal?
[22:08:34] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: before and after
[22:08:47] <Jymmm> ewwww
[22:08:56] <PetefromTn_> heh everything ultimately is a pile of parts but some can get quite complex
[22:09:22] <Jymmm> whats the typical duty cycle on everlasts stuff?
[22:09:30] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: "it's only aluminum and copper"
[22:09:45] <PetefromTn_> and plastic
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[22:10:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/mig/powermts-251si-tig-package click on Tech Specs
[22:10:30] <miss0r> The worst part of reorganizing your workshop is having to rewire the intire mains installation.
[22:11:02] <CaptHindsight> the 250SI is only 160A at 100% duty
[22:11:09] <CaptHindsight> TIG
[22:11:14] <miss0r> err... The worst part of reorganizing your workshop is having to rewire the intire mains installation and THEN run out of cable ties
[22:11:37] <PetefromTn_> http://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/tig-stick/powertig-250ex
[22:11:56] <Jymmm> miss0r: cable ties? for what?
[22:11:57] <PetefromTn_> thats the one by brother in laws son has been using for many years with good success...
[22:12:04] <Jymmm> and dont say cable either =)
[22:12:13] <CaptHindsight> the 251SI is new
[22:12:48] <miss0r> Jymm: I moved alot of equipment around in here to accomidate my new mill. then everything is moved away from their respective outlets. So I am installing new ones
[22:12:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah like I said I would stay away from dual purpose machines
[22:13:00] <CaptHindsight> t12: can you head over there and test a few?
[22:13:00] <Jymmm> but but but I cnaz welds with 10 car batteries and no gaz needed!
[22:13:06] <zeeshan|2> why pete
[22:13:27] <PetefromTn_> just a personal opinion
[22:13:34] <zeeshan|2> i agbree w/ you
[22:13:41] <zeeshan|2> but i can only tell you two reasons :P
[22:13:45] <Jymmm> miss0r: are the ties temporary?
[22:13:47] <zeeshan|2> 1. if my mig fails, i can use my tig
[22:13:50] <roycroft> i have a powertig-250ex
[22:13:57] <zeeshan|2> 2. a combo machine would be harder to fix
[22:13:57] <roycroft> i don't use it that often, but it works great
[22:15:02] <PetefromTn_> That and since I got my Tig my little mig has sat collecting dust so I don't really see the point
[22:15:11] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:15:15] <zeeshan|2> i use my mig sometimes
[22:15:17] <zeeshan|2> easier to weld
[22:15:25] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: I was looking at your model until I saw the new 251si
[22:15:30] <Deejay> gn8
[22:15:36] <Jymmm> Deejay: gn9
[22:15:39] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: you seem to look a lot :P
[22:15:51] <zeeshan|2> did you buy that mori lathe?
[22:15:52] <zeeshan|2> :D
[22:15:53] <miss0r> Jymm: no. Its a quite complete installation. When I renovated this garage a few years back(when we bought the house) I installed a... I don't know the english word: (http://www.elvvs.dk/images/articles/big/21191.big.jpg) around the garage just under the roof
[22:15:57] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: well most of the time it's at me
[22:16:16] <Jymmm> miss0r: cable rack =)
[22:16:37] <miss0r> Jymm: cable rack, thank you :) It looks quite industrial, but it is faster when looks doesn't matter.
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[22:16:58] * miss0r is an industrial electrician
[22:17:01] <roycroft> i'm not familiar with their newer products
[22:17:10] <Jymmm> miss0r: I worked in a DC, we have hundreds of feet of cable racks going EVERYWHERE =)
[22:17:14] <roycroft> i can tell you that my welder works great
[22:17:22] <Jymmm> miss0r: DC = Data Center
[22:17:23] <roycroft> sales and support staff at everlast are great
[22:17:28] <roycroft> the price is really good
[22:17:48] <roycroft> and i believe they do warranty service at airgas locations now
[22:18:05] <roycroft> at least you can drop them off there, so if you need warranty service you don't have to pay to ship the thing to california
[22:18:39] <roycroft> get the cooler if you get the welder
[22:18:44] <miss0r> Jymmm: indeed. nothing beats them for speed... IF people place the cables correctly. i.e. only have cables leaving the rack on the mount side, even if it is the long way around. Then you can just lift the cables in there without having to "stitch" your way through
[22:18:45] <roycroft> that's the other thing i can tall you
[22:18:55] <roycroft> unless you have a cooler already
[22:19:06] <Jymmm> miss0r: https://www.io.com/wp-content/uploads/phoenix-data-center-dc1.jpg
[22:19:24] <miss0r> looks nice :)
[22:19:40] <miss0r> Can't say my garage has the same clean look ;)
[22:20:05] <PetefromTn_> I don't use a cooler and honestly don't think I will bother with one.
[22:21:01] <roycroft> a frind of mine was doing some tig welding with my welder a couple weeks ago and forgot to turn the cooler on
[22:21:19] <roycroft> after about 10 minutes he turned it on, as thing were getting uncomfortable
[22:21:50] <roycroft> but if you don't mind holding a hot torch that's fine
[22:22:18] <PetefromTn_> I weld quite a bit lately many times for several hours at a time and have never felt the need for one perhaps your torch is differnt
[22:22:36] <roycroft> could be
[22:22:43] <roycroft> mine is the one bundled with the welder
[22:23:33] <roycroft> i see everlast have both air cooled and water cooled torches
[22:23:35] <roycroft> mine is water cooled
[22:23:39] <PetefromTn_> I will say that I wear the heavy Tig gauntlets but that is more because I like to be able to handle hot parts instead of waiting for things to cool down awhile...
[22:23:51] <roycroft> perhaps those designated as air cooled stay cooler than water cooled ones without the water
[22:24:05] <PetefromTn_> that is a possibility as well
[22:24:45] <roycroft> so take my advice anecdotally
[22:24:45] <PetefromTn_> even welding aluminum which takes a good bit more juice typically I never felt the need for a cooler. I use a WP17F torch and the Furick cups
[22:26:14] <PetefromTn_> http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/images/448xNxhotfinger-tillman-tig-glove.jpg.pagespeed.ic.pEMAA5jLqF.jpg
[22:26:22] <PetefromTn_> This is the type of gloves I wear
[22:26:56] <PetefromTn_> and I have two of the Tig fingers and really like those..they not only insulate your hands from the hot parts but they allow you to slide easily over your parts as well.
[22:27:07] <roycroft> http://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/ev-18-tig-torch-15-ft-35-series-dinse
[22:27:17] <roycroft> that's the torch that comes with the 250ex
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[22:28:21] <PetefromTn_> no picture
[22:28:39] <roycroft> no, there isn't, but the specs are there
[22:29:03] <roycroft> i have the a couple of the tillman tig fingers too
[22:29:21] <roycroft> i wear thin gloves when tig welding, and the finger helps a lot
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[22:36:53] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: any issues with your tig?
[22:37:34] <roycroft> there's one thing i don't like about it
[22:37:57] <roycroft> the amperage display shows current output power
[22:38:07] <roycroft> so it is only accurate while you're actually welding
[22:38:17] <roycroft> which is when it's hard to look at it
[22:38:41] <roycroft> it would be nice if you could pre-set the current and have your pre-set displayed
[22:38:57] <CaptHindsight> so you recommend the heads up display option :)
[22:39:08] <roycroft> when tig welding you have a pedal
[22:39:15] <roycroft> so it's not that important
[22:39:44] <roycroft> i know how far to turn the knob to get in the ballpark of where i want to be
[22:39:53] <roycroft> i consider it a really minor annoyance
[22:40:01] <roycroft> but you asked, so i thought i should disclose
[22:40:23] <CaptHindsight> the 250EX is the analog version
[22:40:27] <roycroft> yes
[22:40:39] <roycroft> i bought it right before they came out with the digital models
[22:40:48] <CaptHindsight> figures
[22:40:52] <roycroft> *shrug*
[22:40:57] <roycroft> i got it for a good price
[22:41:03] <roycroft> and i needed it when i needed it
[22:41:19] <roycroft> i'm not sure if everlast do wheeling and dealing like they used to
[22:41:33] <roycroft> probably not, since they're a pretty well respected company now
[22:41:45] <roycroft> blue and red bigots notwithstanding
[22:42:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/Everlast-PowerMTS-251Si-250amp-Process/dp/B0143MGKVI $1575
[22:42:25] <roycroft> but at the time i made them an offer on the 250ex, cooler, a plasma cutter, and a cart that was substantially below list price, and they accepted my offer and gave me free shipping
[22:43:07] <roycroft> iirc i paid about $2250 for everything
[22:43:15] <roycroft> and it was about $3000 list
[22:43:56] <roycroft> i don't think i'd want a combo mig/tig welder for the reasons mentioned above
[22:44:07] <roycroft> but that's a nice price for that combo
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[22:54:32] <gregcnc> JT-Shop I found spindle-ccw pin have to figure out how to connect it to output properly
[22:55:25] <_methods> if you're not in a hurry i'd watch auctions
[22:55:41] <_methods> i see syncrowaves go for $1000-2000 all the time
[22:55:48] <_methods> sometimes less
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[22:56:04] <miss0r> yay. done rewiering the shop :)
[22:58:15] <miss0r> I must admit I hate extention cords to such a degree I would rather rewire the mains all over again
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[23:08:56] <JT-Shop> gregcnc: I'll plug the BP in and look at the pins
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[23:12:27] <JT-Shop> my guess is you can connect that to any output pin
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[23:15:31] <minibnz> i am torn.. i want some way to find edges and measure things on my mill... i am torn between building an electronic edge finder and something like i hiemer taster...
[23:15:32] <minibnz> if use a a dsPIC i can sample the peizo at a nice high rate of 40khz per channel for 5 channels.. just wondering if it will be worth the effort to go 5 axis.. if i do make a a probe do i need to spin it or can it be static..
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[23:16:13] <evil_ren> or you can get an edge finder
[23:16:21] <minibnz> well 3 axis not 5.. but to get three axis' i need to use 5 peizo's..
[23:16:43] <minibnz> i have a wobbler but was thinking if it was electronic i could wire it into linuxcnc
[23:16:51] <Denkishi> minibz, just get a brown & sharp or miyumoto (sp?)
[23:16:59] <Denkishi> like ~$17
[23:17:47] <minibnz> ultimate goal would be to have the feedback integrated into linuxcnc so the measurements are automatic.
[23:18:06] <Denkishi> ahh.. inductor limit siwtches
[23:18:20] <minibnz> no simpler than that..
[23:18:20] <Denkishi> http://hackaday.com/2016/02/07/a-home-cnc-built-by-someone-who-knows-their-stuff/
[23:18:28] <Denkishi> pretty good build imo heh
[23:18:49] <Denkishi> vid 3 shows "how" they work
[23:19:32] <minibnz> i know how an inductive limit switch works.. :)
[23:20:20] <Denkishi> I just meant in action heh ..
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[23:23:25] <minibnz> what i am thinkig of doing is taking a peizo speaker and mount a probe to that.. when the probe touches something the peizo speaker will generate a voltage i sample this voltage to determine when its touching. if i split the peizo i can get more directional information and then i can feed that back into linuxcnc so when i need to find the start height or an edge the height data is automaticaly set in linuxcnc
[23:23:42] <minibnz> sure a wobbler is simple and cheap but i wants more :)
[23:28:17] <JT-Shop> it's always fun to play
[23:28:52] <minibnz> Denkishi that cnc router is not whati would call a home DIY router.. thats a normal CNC router.. he has all the right tools to make it there is no makeshift anything on that its great but in a different class altogether :)
[23:29:48] <minibnz> for the cost of the parts <$20 i think the probe will be a nice project.. just gotta work out do i go wireless or wired.. usb is easy :)
[23:30:22] <minibnz> going to have to learn and write me some python by the looks of things..
[23:30:49] <JT-Shop> python is fun and easy
[23:30:59] <minibnz> yet another MCU going into my mill.. :)
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[23:33:47] <minibnz> i have done a little bit in the past but i have forgoten it all.. its pretty easy from what i recall.. last time i had to pull data from the serial port i used C should have used python but got lazy and used what i knew.. really should have used python as there was so much text processing that was pain in C
[23:34:42] <minibnz> think i might go with the wired option to start with..
[23:35:10] <minibnz> ok i am going to my dads place to use his lathe to make the housing.. talk with you all later..
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