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[00:00:08] <zeeshan|2> that definitely wont take a nuclear blast
[00:00:08] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:00:24] <zeeshan|2> (the calc)
[00:00:38] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/splitter/splitter-28.jpg
[00:00:57] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/splitter/splitter-29.jpg
[00:01:14] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/splitter/splitter-30.jpg
[00:01:28] <JT-Shop> look at the last one close
[00:02:18] <JT-Shop> I bet I can blow it up
http://gnipsel.com/cannon/cannon.xhtml
[00:02:46] <JT-Shop> zeeshan|2: you like this one
http://gnipsel.com/cannon/cannon-10.xhtml
[00:02:47] <zeeshan|2> haha nice!
[00:02:51] <zeeshan|2> why do you have a cast iron cannon
[00:03:00] <zeeshan|2> looks nice :)
[00:03:07] <JT-Shop> to shoot why not
[00:03:13] <zeeshan|2> JT-Shop: i was looking at log splitters at the store
[00:03:17] <zeeshan|2> they dont even come close to yours
[00:03:28] <JT-Shop> I do tend to over build
[00:03:39] <JT-Shop> a design flaw in my brain
[00:03:47] <zeeshan|2> id be curious to see what it does to 1/4" aluminum
[00:03:48] <zeeshan|2> :D
[00:04:17] <JT-Shop> with a lead ball I'd bet it would go through at close range
[00:04:24] <Kucharsky> nice pics
[00:05:00] <Kucharsky> here in EU they don't even let us have 22's let alone cannon
[00:05:03] <JT-Shop> thanks
[00:05:15] <JT-Shop> I built 2 cannons
[00:06:06] <gregcnc> paluszki for AA = giggles, I don't know why still to this day
[00:06:08] <JT-Shop> in GB you can have a cannon
[00:06:46] <Kucharsky> or two ;)
[00:07:29] <Kucharsky> JT-Shop: sorry to say but your param does not work
[00:07:44] <Kucharsky> OPEN_FILE = ""
[00:07:50] <Kucharsky> drives me mad
[00:07:55] <gregcnc> how often are Stens really found in walls of houses in Europe?
[00:09:29] <Kucharsky> Stens?
[00:09:30] <JT-Shop> sure it does, what section did you put it in?
[00:09:34] <Kucharsky> Display
[00:10:42] <Kucharsky> JT-Shop: sorry man,
[00:11:04] <Kucharsky> I guess sublime won't save my file in trial version after frew saves
[00:11:07] <Kucharsky> few saves
[00:11:52] <Kucharsky> I thaught I saved it, but vi tells me otherwise
[00:12:16] * JT-Shop likes Gedit
[00:14:23] <Kucharsky> JT-Shop: what do U load your cannos with?
[00:14:46] <Kucharsky> black pwdr + led cannon balls?
[00:14:59] <JT-Shop> usually 3 oz F black powder and an aluminum foil ball
[00:15:28] <JT-Shop> lead balls or golf balls when I want to hit something
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[00:15:46] <JT-Shop> golf balls can be interesting when you hit a tree
[00:16:08] <Kucharsky> hehe
[00:17:45] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/ballista/ballista.xhtml
[00:17:46] <Kucharsky> Ok, I'll be getting some sleep thanks for the help man. Hope I can return the favour one day
[00:18:17] <Kucharsky> Found your calc:
http://gnipsel.com/ballista/ballista-01.xhtml
[00:19:17] <Kucharsky> bye
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[01:56:13] <bobo> PetefromTn hay Pete are you getting a grip on the moving jitters ? hope you are
[01:58:24] <PetefromTn_> bobo honestly no not really....LOL
[01:58:48] <PetefromTn_> we received the results apparently of the home inspection today
[01:59:06] <PetefromTn_> there are a few minor things they want us to fix nothing earth shattering
[01:59:23] <PetefromTn_> this is in addition to the things we already agreed to fix LOL
[01:59:42] <PetefromTn_> so the totality of all of it is weighing heavy right now
[02:00:15] <PetefromTn_> but other than that and just the logistics of moving everything and finding shippers etc. is a bit overwhelming. But hey I asked for it right!
[02:00:40] <bobo> come on Pete calm the heck down 6 months you will be dealing with the heat
[02:01:06] <PetefromTn_> Oh I never said I was not calm man
[02:01:18] <PetefromTn_> more like dreading all this work
[02:01:43] <PetefromTn_> we can of course negotiate some of this in the deal
[02:01:51] <PetefromTn_> just got the results today tho
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[02:03:59] <bobo> you already know it will be over a year before the new shop is back to normal. so just enjoy
[02:04:21] <PetefromTn_> if there is a new shop LOL
[02:05:01] <bobo> test results of what
[02:05:23] <PetefromTn_> the home inspection and termite inspection
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[02:07:33] <bobo> did the inspector figer out termites were living elsewhere ?
[02:08:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah no active termite problems but the buyers still want us to get the house treated and give them a termite letter... SO its just more money no idea what that costs
[02:09:48] <jfindley> How many square feet?
[02:10:01] <PetefromTn_> 1380
[02:10:15] <jfindley> probably in the neighborhood of a grand
[02:10:24] <PetefromTn_> shit
[02:10:30] <bobo> Pete any way to temp store your shop stuff where you are daytime working ?
[02:10:44] <PetefromTn_> why would I want to do that?
[02:10:58] <PetefromTn_> I need to get this stuff down to Florida storage facility
[02:13:10] <bobo> if you don't have a shop in florida and give you more time to come up with something down there
[02:14:46] <PetefromTn_> reality is that I have to get a house with either a 2 car garage or a shop building out back. Both of which are gonna cost
[02:15:30] <bobo> Pete or build a shop there
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[02:15:51] <jfindley> You can get one of them in Texas in the low to mid 100s.
[02:16:13] <PetefromTn_> that is about what it will cost in Florida too apparently
[02:17:11] <PetefromTn_> I don't need a castle or taj majal but I do need a decent safe home big enough for the fam and the shop... hoping for a good result here, Wish me luck guys!!
[02:17:32] <jfindley> Buying a home sucks, no matter how lucky you are.
[02:17:46] <PetefromTn_> I hear ya.
[02:17:49] <CaptHindsight> go steel!
[02:18:15] <PetefromTn_> this will be only our second home so I have never sold a home before. Learning as we go here GASP!!
[02:18:15] <CaptHindsight> build a house and shop from shipping containers
[02:18:35] <PetefromTn_> I could not imagine living inside a shipping container in south florida LOL
[02:18:40] <jfindley> You could probably get away with that in Florida =)
[02:18:46] <PetefromTn_> might as well climb inside the oven
[02:18:52] <bobo> Pete a friend of mine said a "Cube shipping container , 8ft door" should go for about $1500
[02:19:38] <os1r1s> Man, a shipping container is such a great idea
[02:19:48] <os1r1s> They are plentiful here.
[02:19:54] <PetefromTn_> my good friend lives down there and the city where we are going has given him a lot of grief for buying the lot next door and putting a small shop building on it. He is basically paying tax as if there was an entire house on it...
[02:20:01] <bobo> and shipping a container is not too expensive
[02:20:13] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG6UmBBtspY Luxury Shipping Container Homes
[02:20:50] <jfindley> It's been a dream of mine to bury a couple or three containers in a line and turn that into an underground gun range.
[02:20:59] <Lowridah> how to live in rectangle
[02:21:51] <PetefromTn_> I would be willing to bet money that those luxury shipping container homes cost MORE than the same home built from traditional materials
[02:22:23] <CaptHindsight> depends on how you do it
[02:22:34] <CaptHindsight> same as rebuilding a machine
[02:22:59] <Lowridah> well other than losing the stick and frame advantage of easily running facilities like water and power
[02:23:04] <Lowridah> yea they cost as much to finish
[02:23:08] <PetefromTn_> just think about all the custom things it would need, wiring, insulation, interior sheeting, windows, etc. etc. etc. let alone lifting and stacking them with a crane
[02:23:18] <Lowridah> i ran the numbers and it's not a major savings
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[02:23:35] <Lowridah> unless you don't care about code or don't mind living in a big steel box
[02:24:04] <PetefromTn_> I could maybe see doing one for a cabin in the woods or something that does not need a lot of the niceties
[02:24:19] <Lowridah> really, if you're going to do a cabin, cordwood construction is much more cost effective
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[02:24:31] <Lowridah> it's just labor intensive
[02:24:34] <jfindley> Lowridah: Have you looked at compressed tire houses?
[02:24:45] <Lowridah> i've looked at a lot of alternative construction methods
[02:24:51] <Lowridah> i'm pretty fond of cordwood
[02:25:12] <Lowridah> if i didn't care about space i'd do a frameless geo dome or something and just run everything under the frame
[02:25:21] <PetefromTn_> most of the homes in Florida are CBS and it works
[02:25:47] <CaptHindsight> prefab concrete and tilt up
[02:26:09] <PetefromTn_> we are going to go with an existing home purchase almost definitely
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[02:27:47] <CaptHindsight> what's the ETA on when that part of Florida will be under water?
[02:28:12] <PetefromTn_> probably JUST after we buy our home down there :D
[02:28:19] <CaptHindsight> 20-30+ years?
[02:28:35] <CaptHindsight> LuckyPete
[02:29:00] <CaptHindsight> how about a nice houseboat? :0
[02:29:01] <PetefromTn_> Pete is a lot of things but LUCKY has never been one of them LOL
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[02:29:29] <bobo> Pete what is your friends shop size and how big is the lot it is on . any guess ?
[02:29:33] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight Honestly I would LOVE to buy a bigass liveaboard Sailboat and then put the shop into an industrial building
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[02:29:56] <PetefromTn_> but my wife Ain't going for that unfortunately
[02:30:05] <CaptHindsight> ah well
[02:30:59] <PetefromTn_> I would absolutely love that I swear I would be in the Bahamas and down in the Carribean whenever I could..
[02:31:46] <CaptHindsight> freak em out down there and build this
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e1/36/e9/e136e90bcf2b32338740bb810b387e34.jpg
[02:32:09] <PetefromTn_> what we need really is a company like Lakeshore Carbide or Maritool with the shipping turnaround like Mcmaster Carr... SIGH
[02:32:09] <CaptHindsight> Tennessee Cabins in Florida
[02:32:31] <PetefromTn_> probably would burst into flames from the heat :D
[02:32:49] <CaptHindsight> alligator proof
[02:33:07] <PetefromTn_> Gators only bite when you touch their private parts
[02:33:27] <Lowridah> where else would you touch
[02:33:27] <malcom2073> On a gator, every part is a private part :P
[02:33:40] <PetefromTn_> hehehe
[02:36:16] <bobo> Pete what is your friend in florida shop size and how big is the lot is it on . any guess ?
[02:36:50] <PetefromTn_> its not really a shop more like a rather big shed and I guess it is probably like a half acre or something
[02:37:41] <Jymmm> 1/2 acre shed?
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[02:38:01] <PetefromTn_> no silly 1/2 acre lot
[02:38:04] * Jymmm never heard of rednecks from Florida before
[02:38:21] <PetefromTn_> Oh they have rednecks in Florida alright
[02:38:32] <Jymmm> and soon to have one more
[02:38:41] <PetefromTn_> how did I know that was coming
[02:39:01] <Jymmm> but only if you start packing =)
[02:39:08] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ The rednecks from NJ are the worst I've seen
[02:39:15] <PetefromTn_> We have started packing already
[02:39:19] <os1r1s> Way worse than anywhere in the south
[02:39:31] <PetefromTn_> my wife cleared out the attic space in the house upstairs this weekend...
[02:39:46] <PetefromTn_> I have been to rural NJ before
[02:39:55] <PetefromTn_> Cherry Hill and around the area
[02:40:20] <PetefromTn_> and of course I was at Cape May for the Coast Guard Basic training...also wildwood
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[02:46:12] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ This would have been somewhere not too far from Mahwah/Ramsey
[02:47:28] <PetefromTn_> No idea where that is.
[02:47:49] <PetefromTn_> I met a gorgeous Girl from Cherry Hill NJ in Walt Disney World years ago
[02:48:06] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: did you marry her?
[02:48:26] <PetefromTn_> after a couple weeks of talking to her after her visit I actually drove up there to see her
[02:48:33] <PetefromTn_> no I did not marry her LO
[02:48:44] <Jymmm> Awww
[02:49:01] <PetefromTn_> I was just enlisted in the coast Guard so I had to leave
[02:49:17] <PetefromTn_> you guys wanna hear a funny story tho?
[02:49:48] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Ah, gotcha.... one in every port
[02:49:54] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: sure
[02:50:00] <PetefromTn_> heh
[02:50:33] <PetefromTn_> well I called her and told her I was going to drive up to see her ( and also my Uncle and cousins in New York)
[02:50:47] <PetefromTn_> but I told her It would be a surprise when I show up LOL
[02:51:00] <PetefromTn_> she worked in a little Pizza place
[02:51:06] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HifO-ebmE1s Eagle kicks drones butt
[02:51:13] <PetefromTn_> I think it was called Cherry Hill Pizza or something like that
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[02:51:32] <PetefromTn_> anyways I drive up there in my jeep wrangler
[02:51:45] <PetefromTn_> I get to Cherry Hill New jersey
[02:51:52] <PetefromTn_> I call her from the Hwy
[02:51:59] <PetefromTn_> I get her mom on the phone
[02:52:18] <PetefromTn_> she tells me she is working at the pizza place and to surprise her there...
[02:52:24] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: I'd hate to think of them using an eagle against a proper camera drone, the blades would chop up its poor feet
[02:52:24] <PetefromTn_> so I drive there
[02:52:55] <PetefromTn_> I walk in and she goes nutz all happy to see me and very excited it was really cool...
[02:53:16] <PetefromTn_> so she tells me that I gotta go to her house so she can let me meet her parents etc.
[02:53:25] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: teams of pigeons with nets
[02:53:26] <PetefromTn_> she drives this little mustang v6
[02:53:31] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: I like that idea
[02:53:40] <PetefromTn_> so we get in the cars and she starts driving home
[02:53:50] <PetefromTn_> I have NO IDEA where she lives on those country roads..
[02:53:57] <PetefromTn_> and she is like really hauling ass...
[02:54:10] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to keep up with her so I don't loose her
[02:54:25] <PetefromTn_> eventually she looses me in the turns
[02:54:40] <PetefromTn_> so I just keep driving trying to catch her
[02:54:50] <PetefromTn_> I come around this corner
[02:54:58] <PetefromTn_> and there in the road is her car stopped
[02:55:23] <PetefromTn_> her drivers door is open and she is standing there leaning against a car facing the other way talking to the driver
[02:55:32] <PetefromTn_> I come around the corner hauling ass
[02:55:36] <PetefromTn_> slam on the brakes
[02:55:48] <PetefromTn_> screech and slide into the back of her mustang
[02:55:55] <PetefromTn_> smash the shit out of it...
[02:56:07] <PetefromTn_> car goes rolling into the ditch
[02:56:24] <PetefromTn_> my jeep stops EXACTLY right where her car was stopped...
[02:56:33] <os1r1s> (This is not going in the direction I thought it was)
[02:56:55] <PetefromTn_> I look over and her and her DADDY are staring back at me dumbfounded LOL
[02:57:08] <PetefromTn_> I was like I AM SOOOOOOO SORRRYYYYY
[02:57:17] <malcom2073> Lol
[02:57:28] <CaptHindsight> I thought he was going to end up at least one kidney short
[02:57:28] <PetefromTn_> I still remember the rust coming off the back bumper as the mustang rolled into the ditch LOL
[02:57:51] * Jymmm is waiting for the shotgun to come out
[02:57:57] <malcom2073> Wtf was she doing stopped in the middle of the road?
[02:58:09] <PetefromTn_> well it was her parents in the other car
[02:58:11] <malcom2073> Rhetorical, that's pretty dumb heh
[02:58:30] <PetefromTn_> so she stopped to tell them that I was here but of course they already knew that
[02:58:32] <CaptHindsight> smashing good time
[02:58:36] <malcom2073> HAha
[02:58:39] <PetefromTn_> they were coming to thepizza shop to see us LOL
[02:58:43] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: r8 8/8
[02:58:51] <PetefromTn_> I don't think I have ever been so embarassed
[02:59:08] <PetefromTn_> I must say that her dad was very cool about it...
[02:59:10] <CaptHindsight> hey mom and dad, look who i ran into
[02:59:17] <Jymmm> lol
[02:59:21] <malcom2073> So, after rear ending her....
[02:59:37] <PetefromTn_> he said well if she was not foolish enough to stop and park in the middle of the road you would have never hit her car LOL
[02:59:48] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[02:59:54] <malcom2073> Hah nice!
[02:59:59] <PetefromTn_> I am laughing my ass of here just thinking about it
[03:00:09] <PetefromTn_> so then I go to her parents house
[03:00:23] <PetefromTn_> and we tow her car there so we can try to fix it
[03:00:49] <PetefromTn_> I remember her parents let me stay in her big brothers room because he was out of town on vacation
[03:01:00] <PetefromTn_> and he musta been some kinda metal head or something
[03:01:20] <PetefromTn_> he had all these dark and scary metal posters on the wall that glowed in the dark
[03:01:33] <CaptHindsight> oh you kids and your crazy first dates
[03:01:34] <PetefromTn_> his room was a converted attic too
[03:01:40] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[03:01:48] <PetefromTn_> she was such a cool girl tho
[03:01:53] <PetefromTn_> we had a blast
[03:02:06] <PetefromTn_> and went all over that area for the week I was there...
[03:02:16] <CaptHindsight> not far from Philly
[03:02:38] <PetefromTn_> Probably should have married her LOL... but I met my wife a couple years later and she is kick ass so its all good
[03:02:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah I had to go thru philly to get there
[03:02:55] <CaptHindsight> sshhsss ppftt shhsss
[03:03:04] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: =)
[03:03:12] <PetefromTn_> so you guys like my story?
[03:03:18] <PetefromTn_> its all true too
[03:03:19] <CaptHindsight> if she ever read the logs
[03:03:35] <PetefromTn_> who?
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[03:03:46] <CaptHindsight> your current wife
[03:04:04] <PetefromTn_> what about the logs?
[03:04:14] <CaptHindsight> nevermind
[03:04:20] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[03:05:51] <PetefromTn_> I will never forget smashing into that car tho I did not know whether to laugh or cry
[03:06:57] <CaptHindsight> they didn't seem to mind that much
[03:07:06] <CaptHindsight> I'd go with funny
[03:07:27] <CaptHindsight> it would be another story if they kept sending you repair bills
[03:07:28] <PetefromTn_> her dad was cool about it but her mom laughed
[03:07:43] <Sync> well, insurance... so #yolo
[03:07:49] <PetefromTn_> apparently it was not much of a car and they were going to get her something else
[03:08:17] <PetefromTn_> you should have seen the shower of rust coming from under the back bumper cover as it rolled away into the ditch...
[03:08:24] <CaptHindsight> how much car does a 16 y.o. need anyway :)
[03:08:36] <Sync> old k car stang PetefromTn_?
[03:08:47] <Sync> err err
[03:08:47] <PetefromTn_> my second car was a 4 cylinder mustang 5 speed
[03:08:58] <Sync> f body or what they are called
[03:09:04] <PetefromTn_> I think it was like an 85 or something
[03:09:09] <Sync> no idea wtf that shit is
[03:09:27] <Sync> ah wait, f body is gm
[03:09:38] <Sync> ah fox platform
[03:09:50] <PetefromTn_> http://s76.photobucket.com/user/mustangkidd/media/100_0301Medium.jpg.html
[03:09:55] <PetefromTn_> looks just like that
[03:09:56] <Sync> fucking cunts, why call it the same
[03:10:05] <Sync> ye fox body
[03:10:30] <PetefromTn_> my jeep wrangler sure made short work of it tho :D
[03:10:52] <Sync> :D
[03:10:53] <bobo> speaking of payback is rough . doesn't Pete have ,not 1 but two lovely daughters ? soon to be teenagers
[03:10:55] <PetefromTn_> I remember it kinda hopped under the heavy braking before it slammed into the mustang
[03:11:22] <PetefromTn_> like errr, errr, errr, er, er, SMASHHHHH
[03:12:47] <PetefromTn_> you can imagine the look on her parents face as this happened watching her car get smashed and see my jeep stop right where her car was... the mental picture still makes me chuckle even today
[03:13:36] <Sync> yeah
[03:16:41] <PetefromTn_> sucks my CNC lathe build will be put on hold for a good while during this move...
[03:19:03] <bobo> Pete what do you think the building cost/Sq.Ft would be in Florida for a 920Sq. Ft garage-shop ?
[03:19:25] <PetefromTn_> man I have no idea....
[03:19:30] <CaptHindsight> my last Mustang resto project
http://imagebin.ca/v/2VXHGCiHVCZQ
[03:19:44] <PetefromTn_> woah
[03:19:49] <PetefromTn_> that is pretty nice man
[03:20:48] <CaptHindsight> then I became the guy that didn't have time to finish them
[03:21:44] <PetefromTn_> I unfortunately have many unfinished projects....
[03:22:04] <PetefromTn_> sometimes my wife gets mad at me when I decide to start a new one LOL
[03:24:11] <bobo> sorry CaptHindsight --liked your 62 Chev truck more than a mustang. but that is just me
[03:27:05] <CaptHindsight> the truck was after the Mustang
[03:27:20] <PetefromTn_> C10?
[03:33:12] <os1r1s> CaptHindsight Pretty. I have a 1967 coupe.
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[03:36:03] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/2VXMOM1bUJHu
[03:36:44] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/2VXMaWy5H7fH
[03:36:52] <PetefromTn_> yup C10
[03:37:41] <CaptHindsight> had a big block with lots of HP, had a hard time keeping the front wheels on the ground
[03:40:52] <CaptHindsight> http://image.hotrod.com/f/37527325+w660+h495+cr1/mscp-1964-pontiac-gto-buried-treasure-01.jpg I'd like to find one and keep it looking original but have lots of modern parts and convenience
[03:43:24] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: fiberglass kit on a rolling chassis?
[03:43:44] <PetefromTn_> nice
[03:43:52] <CaptHindsight> steel body is fine
[03:43:56] <os1r1s> CaptHindsight I had a 66 Chevy Nova with a 400 small block
[03:44:00] <os1r1s> It had a similar challenge.
[03:44:12] <os1r1s> The 67 is a 289 put out to 302
[03:44:46] <CaptHindsight> I worked mostly on GM
[03:46:02] <CaptHindsight> Chevy, Olds, Pontiacs, 1959-1974
[03:48:32] <PetefromTn_> Well Gn8 folks
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[03:48:59] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: original body with something like a turbocharged V8 and 6 speed automatic
[03:49:11] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: =)
[03:49:45] <os1r1s> CaptHindsight I've been really tempted to drop a modern motor/trans/suspension in my 67
[03:49:52] <CaptHindsight> resue the factory dash and controls but hide new gadgets behind them
[03:50:28] <CaptHindsight> I drove the old iron well into the 00's
[03:52:18] <CaptHindsight> the problem then becomes that you can't park it anywhere
[03:52:29] <os1r1s> Why?
[03:52:33] <CaptHindsight> idiots and door dings
[03:52:41] <os1r1s> Yeah ... that is true
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[03:52:48] <CaptHindsight> or sliding across you to get out of a parking spot
[03:52:55] <os1r1s> I put dashcams in my tesla for that reason
[03:53:17] <CaptHindsight> with anti-ding lasers?
[03:53:34] <os1r1s> No. But it records motion and or any bumps
[03:53:44] <os1r1s> So I see them pull in/back out/etc
[03:54:35] <os1r1s> It ain't perfect, but its something :)
[03:54:48] <os1r1s> Door dings drive me crazy
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[03:55:39] <CaptHindsight> in the city your bumper is used to slide their car in and out
[03:55:57] <os1r1s> CaptHindsight NYC?
[03:56:01] <CaptHindsight> you're better off just greasing them
[03:56:06] <CaptHindsight> Chicago
[03:56:13] <CaptHindsight> but most big cities
[03:57:18] <CaptHindsight> I'd come out of a place in the city and somebody would be using the truck as a seat or leaning on it
[03:57:42] <CaptHindsight> you can't have anything nice
[03:59:44] <Crom_> CaptHindsight, I mainly had air cooled... Corvairs, VW's and the odd Datsun
[04:00:54] <Crom_> Loved my '67 Datsun 411 1189cc 4spd
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[04:01:38] <CaptHindsight> wow air cooled
[04:02:06] <Crom_> Problem with Tesla's is my wifes tends to rip holes in them with our hitch
[04:02:49] <CaptHindsight> a friend had a similar year Datsun and he cut the top off for the summer
[04:04:07] <Crom_> did that with a '62 corvair and welded the doors shut
[04:04:34] <CaptHindsight> was it watertight as well? :)
[04:05:38] <Crom_> Tubbed the the back tires, re drilled the axles and brake drums for 5 lug and used it at Pismo Beach
[04:05:57] <Crom_> it would have been water proof if I glassed the rusted out floor boards
[04:06:13] <CaptHindsight> my problem now is finding decent made replacement parts for cars only 10 years old
[04:06:28] <CaptHindsight> wheels bearings are all crap
[04:06:48] <Crom_> yep... China Bearings are crap.
[04:06:59] <CaptHindsight> I'd pick up a used car and perform preventative maintenance...
[04:07:17] <Crom_> if it's metric you can posibly find a decent German bearing
[04:07:22] <CaptHindsight> I stopped replacing bearings until they go bad
[04:07:44] <CaptHindsight> might get 20K miles on crap or less
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[04:08:13] <Crom_> last car I bought for $900 went for 100K
[04:09:40] <CaptHindsight> as long as it's not rusty or German
[04:10:41] <CaptHindsight> I picked up a Passat with a jumped timing belt for next to nothing. I couldn't believe the prices for parts
[04:11:34] <CaptHindsight> good thing I found a complete engine and trans for $250
[04:12:22] <CaptHindsight> I think they wanted like $1500-$2k for a set of valves and a head
[04:12:25] <Crom_> so true... Just got a '95 Honda Odyssey for $2500... well see how long it lasts, though we know it's had perfect maintenance over it's life, which is why I spent so much on it
[04:13:42] <CaptHindsight> I'll get 1 million miles out of my Land Cruiser
[04:14:13] <CaptHindsight> figure it will take me 40 years
[04:14:14] <Crom_> had a 84ish Shiracco <sp?? cheaper to get a Microbus in decent shape then fix that thang
[04:15:42] <Crom_> bbiab --~~~
[04:15:52] <CaptHindsight> I'm off
[04:15:56] <CaptHindsight> hasta banana
[04:18:57] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: and pineapple too!
[04:21:35] <Crom_> banarama is only a duo now.. later CaptHindsight
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[06:45:12] <minibnz> got a question.. have a mill that is run by linuxcnc and want to integrate the spindle control into EMC.. i have the hal file so i can get a PWM and a digital output out of a pin on my parport.. i want to get it to control a RC servo hooked to the speed knob..tried following the wiki but the servo wont move. i looked at the waveforms with my CRO and i can see the waveforms match my arduino test board.. anyone got any ideas?
[06:46:26] <minibnz> tried two different servo's a big one and a wee little one.. but both wont move under emc2.. happily work with arduino
[06:48:43] <minibnz> am i going to have to add a arduino to convert the PWM to RC PPM waveforms. seems like overkill
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[07:24:25] <archivist> you could write that mode into the pwm driver
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[07:36:20] <enleth> is there any open-source electrical design software optimized for relay logic and machine wiring?
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[11:05:02] <jthornton> morning
[11:05:10] <XXCoder> no
[11:05:12] <XXCoder> heh
[11:05:16] <XXCoder> whats up
[11:06:52] <jthornton> first cup, setting up a J1900 on uspace for the BP
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[11:24:48] <jthornton> trying to see if I can get linux mint to work with uspace
[11:25:03] <XXCoder> cool
[11:27:14] <jthornton> I have a 7i92 to experiment with
[11:27:48] <jthornton> I got it to work on debian 7
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[12:12:26] <ehippiecncbuilde> hello!
[12:12:48] <ehippiecncbuilde> Can anyone suggest a logical signal that I can use for a spindle fault?
[12:13:14] <XXCoder> "launch all nukes" signal
[12:13:20] <XXCoder> or maybe batman signal?
[12:13:25] <ehippiecncbuilde> There're axis.?.amp-fault-in for drive faults, but none for the spindle
[12:13:28] <XXCoder> heh joking. dunno
[12:14:19] <jthornton-> I would think you want amp fault so the machine stops
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[12:14:37] <ehippiecncbuilde> This is an issue I've wondered some time ago, and I can't but find it illogical that there is non.
[12:14:57] <ehippiecncbuilde> But in order to use amp-fault I have to set up an axis that doesn't exist.
[12:15:05] <jthornton> what would you want the spindle fault to do?
[12:15:15] <ehippiecncbuilde> stop the motion so nothing breaks up
[12:15:38] <archivist> OR it into your estop then
[12:15:39] <ehippiecncbuilde> E.g. a signal that linuxcnc would know that there is a problem with the spindle, so that it would stop all operations.
[12:15:46] <jthornton> or2
[12:16:02] <ehippiecncbuilde> That's one option, but I find it slightly illogical.
[12:16:13] <jthornton> reprogram the software
[12:16:20] <ehippiecncbuilde> I'm HW designer :D
[12:16:55] <XXCoder> sure you can solder in software! ;)
[12:18:03] <archivist> see this input motion.enable IN BIT
[12:18:04] <archivist> If this bit is driven FALSE, motion stops, the machine is placed in the "machine off" state, and a message is displayed for the operator. For normal motion, drive this bit TRUE.
[12:19:02] <archivist> also has motion.spindle-inhibit IN BIT
[12:19:03] <archivist> When TRUE, the spindle speed is set and held to 0.
[12:19:23] <XXCoder> I guess most spindle supports that
[12:19:25] <jthornton> and they all probably do the same thing internally
[12:19:37] <ehippiecncbuilde> that might work ok
[12:20:11] <archivist> motion.enable seems the right pin to me
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[12:26:26] <ehippiecncbuilde> Do I understand correctly, that machine-off state turns off/disables drives?
[12:28:46] <archivist> to me a controlled stop is better than a drive off stop, it is a choice you have to make
[12:28:55] <ehippiecncbuilde> If drives are turned off and there's a heavy axis on motion, or heavy spindle on Z-axis (assuming vertical), the motion might continue or spindle might drop without control. Due to this, motion.feed-inhibit might be better.
[12:29:20] <ehippiecncbuilde> Uncontrolled stop in quite undesirable.
[12:29:25] <ehippiecncbuilde> is
[12:31:18] <jthornton> motion.feed-inhibit IN BIT
[12:31:18] <jthornton> When this pin is TRUE, machine motion is inhibited (this includes jogs, programmed feeds, and programmed rapids, aka traverse moves).
[12:31:18] <jthornton> If the machine is performing a spindle synchronized move when this pin goes TRUE, the spindle synchronized motion will finish, and any following moves will be inhibited (this is to prevent damage to the machine, the tool, or the work piece).
[12:31:18] <jthornton> If the machine is in the middle of a (non-spindle synchronized) move when this pin goes TRUE, the machine will decelerate to a stop at the maximum allowed acceleration rate.
[12:31:20] <jthornton> Motion resumes when this pin goes FALSE.
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[12:31:41] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
[12:31:57] <jthornton> maybe you should read through them and select the one you need
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[12:34:38] <ehippiecncbuilde> I did... from the pdf documentation, which doesn't say it all.
[12:35:01] <ehippiecncbuilde> Need to read the www-version it seems.
[12:35:27] <jthornton> the pdf unfortunately does not have the man pages
[12:35:45] <jthornton> well that is wrong they are there now
[12:36:09] <jthornton> CNC > Manual Pages
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[12:36:39] <jthornton> unfortunately the pdf has no index
[12:37:51] <ehippiecncbuilde> Anyway, I think I got my answer. Thanks a lot!
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[12:47:01] <Tom_itx> soggy day today
[12:47:14] <jthornton> I've not looked outside yet
[12:47:48] <Tom_itx> http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true&location=USKS0523
[12:47:57] <Tom_itx> looks clear now but the ground is wet
[12:48:06] <jthornton> I doubt there will be any lumberjacking activities today
[12:48:22] <Tom_itx> paul bunyon on strike?
[12:49:23] <jthornton> mickey rooney bunyon doesn't like to lumberjack in the rain
[12:50:05] <Jymmm> What abut blu
[12:50:20] <jthornton> she passed away in July
[12:51:36] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Poor Toto
[12:51:55] <jthornton> might not be too bad today, looks to be passing north of us
[12:51:55] <Tom_itx> toto is still spinning in the clouds
[12:53:53] * jthornton looks for the solder station
[12:54:06] <Tom_itx> still??
[12:56:28] <jthornton> found it
[12:57:36] <jthornton> it was either out in the shop/garage somewhere or done here in the beer cave
[12:58:05] <Jymmm> Crap, snow/showers today =(
[12:59:25] <Jymmm> but a HEAT WAVE of 63 next week ;)
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[13:02:09] <jthornton> snow? I thought that was illegal in CA
[13:02:39] <Jymmm> No, just everything else is.
[13:04:05] <Jymmm> jthornton: We still have Tahoe and Mammoth snow skiing
[13:05:46] <Tom_itx> do they take the fin off their surfboard and use it as a snowboard?
[13:06:20] <Jymmm> Nah, that's silly... they use body boards for that ;)
[13:06:50] <Jymmm> snap in half like a popsicle... now two can snowboard
[13:07:58] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/oDjyIOy - on that topic
[13:08:34] <Jymmm> YEAH!!!! Thats awesome
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[15:28:47] <beikeland> so I'm making ever more progress with my mach2/emc conversion. Got motion and homing running. Lacking the speed. I keep getting "joint 2 following error"
[15:29:16] <beikeland> and i read its either too fast acceleration or not fast enough base thread; but that doesn't help me fixing it.
[15:29:38] <beikeland> Is it possible Mach3 only ran faster, at the cost of missed steps (hardware is the same)
[15:31:26] <beikeland> Currently i have:
[15:31:30] <beikeland> BASE_PERIOD = 55000 SERVO_PERIOD = 1000000 MAX_ACCELERATION = 25.0 STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 25
[15:33:32] <skunkworks> stepgen_maxaccel needs to be atleast 25% higher than max_acceleration...
[15:33:48] <skunkworks> that is why you are getting following errors
[15:34:41] <skunkworks> MAX_ACCELERATION = 25.0 STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 30
[15:34:50] <skunkworks> try that
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[15:47:56] <beikeland> skunkworks: that seems to make it consistent at trigging following error when i do rapids but the rest is okay. so i reduce the velocity and it seems to be working. But its very much slower than it was; cannot speak to the accuracy mach3 had as it saw very little use
[15:48:36] <skunkworks> what is your input scale and such?
[15:49:48] <beikeland> scale for 2(z) is 800 and 0/1(x/y) is 400.
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[15:50:47] <beikeland> are the acceleration parameters relative to the scale_
[15:50:48] <skunkworks> what max velocity are you trying for?
[15:51:19] <beikeland> It was running at 2500mm/min for xy and 1500 for z
[15:51:50] <beikeland> But i just want it as fast as it can go while maintaining accuracy
[15:52:22] <skunkworks> with linuxcnc those 2 things are not related..
[15:53:05] <skunkworks> you can tell linuxcnc how close you want it to follow the programmed path. (regardless of speed)
[15:53:24] <pcw_home> STEPGEN_MAXVEL also needs to be about 25% greater than MAXVEL
[15:53:56] <pcw_home> (or you will get following errors during rapids)
[15:54:41] <beikeland> it apears I don't have a STEPGEN_MAXVEL line in my .hal, i shall try adding
[15:55:06] <pcw_home> if its not there it should be OK
[15:55:23] <skunkworks> I think max vel was decided it didn't matter
[15:55:30] <pcw_home> (default is 0 which means no limit)
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[15:56:32] <pcw_home> if you set stepgen maxvel it needs headroom just like maxaccel but 0= no limit is OK
[15:57:24] <beikeland> i have more pressing things than speed, so at least its usable albeit a tad slower now. Thanks!
[15:58:14] <beikeland> I'll revisit the speed when its been squared and it has milled itself an input board :)
[15:59:51] <beikeland> Actually that brings me to the switches. I presume I want N.C. and NPN type proximity switches?
[16:00:51] <pcw_home> for a parallel port, NPN since parallel port inputs are pulled up
[16:02:20] <pcw_home> if you are using a BreakOut Board (BOB), it may be different
[16:02:27] <beikeland> I'm using the output pins as well, so i need to add pullups (or pulldowns) but NPN removes the need to do level shifting. And normal closed is prefered to reveal cable issues?
[16:02:55] <beikeland> DIY on the breakout board. Its a breadboard at the moment
[16:03:26] <beikeland> I dind't find any reasonable BOBs with data lines as inputs
[16:04:03] <pcw_home> Yes NC (make sure you cant lose the ground connection on NPN proxes connected directly to a parallel port or you will fry the port)
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[16:05:34] <beikeland> Gonna do opto isolators just to be on the safe side, cool, I'll go do some work. Thanks for the help so far :)
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[16:47:22] * Loetmichel just lend himself the companys whore (2006 mercedes E-class diesel station wagon) because his car is at the Garage for spilling oil ... WHAT a pice of crap. Chec engine is continuously lit... the exhaust hits the bottom of the car at any slight bump (*CLANKCLANK*). the steering points slighty to the right when coasting, slightly more so when accelerating... and HARD LEFT when braking...
[16:47:22] * Loetmichel and to top it off it reeks like someone smoked a full box of havannas ... last week. and didnt clean the asthray... but its still better than walking the 12km one way to the comany ;)
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[17:04:01] <_methods> hahah just scored a cincinnati #2 horizontal for $100
[17:05:24] <_methods> heh another one just went for $100
[17:05:28] <_methods> cat50 varnamo
[17:05:41] <CaptHindsight> oh sure now you tell us
[17:06:24] <_methods> heh i don't want anyone outbidding me lol
[17:06:49] <_methods> there's another cinci model 520 coming up
[17:06:56] <_methods> that thing is huge
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[17:07:22] <CaptHindsight> I sold my last Cincinnnattitti (sp?) a few years ago
[17:08:08] <_methods> i'm tryin to find a small horizontal like a harding um-tm
[17:08:13] <CaptHindsight> those horizontals are often on ebay
[17:08:14] <_methods> one day i'll find one
[17:08:26] <_methods> yeah they want too much for them
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[17:08:34] <_methods> i just snatched a #2 for $100
[17:08:44] <_methods> they want $3k for a umtm on ebay
[17:09:03] <CaptHindsight> sitting here waiting for snow but it's raining
[17:09:05] <gregcnc> anything that fits easily in a garage is expensive
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[17:09:14] <_methods> yeah
[17:09:32] <CaptHindsight> you need bigger garages
[17:09:35] <gregcnc> and can be moved by one or two people
[17:09:39] <gregcnc> yes I do
[17:09:39] <_methods> i got my eyes on a 00-8 coming up
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[17:10:24] <_methods> 0-8 that is
[17:11:21] <_methods> king 42" vtl comin up
[17:11:33] <_methods> be interesting to see what that goes for
[17:12:05] <gregcnc> I'm looking for one of these there is still room in the garage.
http://www.machineseeker.com/ma2/bilderanzeigen-A2329808-1-english.html
[17:12:35] <_methods> ah that's pretty spiffy
[17:13:08] <gregcnc> not too many around
[17:13:11] <_methods> you'll have to wait till some school gets rid of their's
[17:13:23] <gregcnc> they are starting
[17:13:33] <_methods> not many shops would buy something like that so they'll all be at schools
[17:14:02] <gregcnc> Haas has a great deal so none of the schools are replacing the tiny Emco with newer Emco.
[17:14:13] <_methods> yeah
[17:14:23] <_methods> haas basically gives them to schools
[17:14:24] <Sync> well, it is the same with solidworks
[17:14:34] <Sync> they push it into the schools so people prefer it in their jobs
[17:15:16] <gregcnc> Fusion is trying hard to do the with startups
[17:16:31] <gregcnc> I know of two of these machines.one has little tooling the other is expensive
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[17:26:00] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: a bit over priced
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/5428180002.html
[17:28:06] <gregcnc> I contacted him a year ago? he's in LITH irc, but over priced.
[17:28:58] <gregcnc> There was a very dirty 320 near Milwaukee for 3900
[17:29:28] <CaptHindsight> HWACHEON CNC-LATHE Model#Hi-ECO31A - $35 I think that this is not the actual price
[17:29:35] <CaptHindsight> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/5429490053.html
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[17:34:07] <Sync> I'd take it for $35
[17:34:40] <CaptHindsight> I'd go as high as $40 :)
[17:35:04] <gregcnc> $35k
[17:35:54] <Sync> nah
[17:35:55] <gregcnc> http://www.exapro.com/used-hwacheon-hi-eco-31a-2-axis-cnc-lathe-with-fanuc-otc-control-10-chuck-p40123114/
[17:36:59] <gregcnc> what it's actually worth i don't know
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[18:01:47] <Cromaglious> bbiab
[18:01:58] <Cromaglious> rebooting this POS winbloz machine
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[18:15:17] <DaPeace> damned that fusion 360 is great for being free :-D
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[18:23:43] <CaptHindsight> anyone else having trouble getting packages to the UK that involved Royal Mail?
[18:24:05] <CaptHindsight> they are starting to screw up every one
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[18:30:07] <CaptHindsight> 400w china spindle showed up and the bearings don't spin smoothly...whoodah thought it?
[18:30:26] <CaptHindsight> yah think i got taken for $49.95? :)
[18:31:38] <gregcnc> brush spindle? The listing didn't say "kit"?
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[18:34:11] <Sync> let it run in and see if it improves CaptHindsight :P
[18:34:30] <CaptHindsight> it's a DC router motor
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[18:34:47] <CaptHindsight> you have to break in the bumpy grease
[18:35:24] <DaPeace> i used one of that 400w-spindles too but after some month i made a jump to 1500w and i will never miss the old one :-D
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[18:37:19] <CaptHindsight> the 1.5KW also arrived, the bearings are much better
[18:37:36] <DaPeace> yeah the newer one are not that bad.
[18:37:46] <CaptHindsight> not using either for cutting anyway
[18:38:02] <DaPeace> so you are collecting them? :-D
[18:38:19] <CaptHindsight> well maybe the 400w for films
[18:38:28] <CaptHindsight> just spinning stuff
[18:38:51] <CaptHindsight> coatings, inks, etc
[18:39:36] <DaPeace> ah ok.. a little other task than milling :-D
[18:41:11] <CaptHindsight> DaPeace: which version 1.5KW spindle did you get?
[18:41:31] <CaptHindsight> did it mention the 4 Germany bearings?
[18:41:43] <CaptHindsight> air or water colled?
[18:42:09] <gregcnc> the Germany bearing scam is the same as the Swiss skate bearing scam.
[18:42:12] <DaPeace> i think i have one with 3 bearings but they mentioned the germany-bearings (which are form a company named "germany" as far as i know) and i have a air cooled
[18:42:51] <DaPeace> yeah i think the bearings cost more than the whole spindle when you take german ones..
[18:44:02] <CaptHindsight> came with English using of the manual
[18:44:46] <CaptHindsight> or a double sided photocopy of a list of motors
[18:45:51] <CaptHindsight> this ones from near Shanghai
[18:46:10] <CaptHindsight> I'll have to stop by their factory
[18:46:44] <CaptHindsight> have to find that Germany Bearing in China some day
[18:48:05] <CaptHindsight> one student could proofread a few hundred Engrish data sheets in a day
[18:48:18] <CaptHindsight> but they just won't do that
[18:50:50] <DaPeace> i got one without any information.. tried to auto-measure it from the inverter and i get hot as hell..
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[18:54:51] <CaptHindsight> who makes a 5 or 10V out digital motor speed controller without feedback that has a digital display of rpm and controllable ramps?
[18:55:31] <CaptHindsight> so similar to VFD display and control
[18:55:51] <gregcnc> how will you get rpm with no feedback?
[18:55:58] <gregcnc> with a DC motor?
[18:56:27] <CaptHindsight> sorry meant with feedback
[18:56:42] <CaptHindsight> dyslexic typing today
[19:01:25] <CaptHindsight> looks either programming a PLC or a *duino
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[19:09:42] <CaptHindsight> need UI, LCD and some buttons, somewhat user friendly
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[19:42:02] <aventtini6> hello guys
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[19:50:47] <CaptHindsight> heh order SSR boards from China get *duinos
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[19:51:19] <CaptHindsight> and the box smells like diesel
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[20:23:47] <enleth> finally
[20:23:51] <enleth> the mesa card is there
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[20:39:31] <aventtini6> whereeeeeeeeee
[20:39:56] <aventtini6> ??
[20:41:44] <enleth> right here, in my workshop
[20:42:45] <aventtini6> :)))
[20:42:48] <aventtini6> good one
[20:42:58] <aventtini6> i was thinking on the website
[20:43:00] <aventtini6> :))))
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[20:43:50] <jtektool> Can anyone out there recommend a good panel-mount jog wheel, my setup is mesa 5i25/7i77
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[20:51:40] <CaptHindsight> jtektool: some have used this
http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/mpgs/rotary-maunal-pulse-generator
[20:52:05] <yasnak> nothing beats the smell of brand new moblemet 426. mmmmm
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[20:54:43] <CaptHindsight> jtektool: for higher quality (and price)
https://www.euchner-usa.com/Category/45_1/HANDWHEELS.aspx
[20:56:10] <jtektool> definitely looking at more sturdy this machine is shaping together but i had a couple snaffus, such as i installed a touchscreen and got it working only to find out that gmoccapy has too many lines of resolution for my monitor. lol
[20:58:19] <jtektool> currently having issues with touchy too, as in it wouldn't load at all when i put it in the config. but right now im just working on getting the estop and my panel physically together. I suppose some rotary switches to select axis might be nice as well. if anyone else has any ideas what would be nice on a panel feel free to chime in
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[20:59:46] <CaptHindsight> jtektool: post your configs if you need help
[21:00:23] <cradek> what do you mean by wouldn't load at all? do you get an error?
[21:00:53] <jtektool> brb going to go out to the machine....
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[21:10:52] <jtektool> looks like something in my xorg.conf maybe; it says randr extension missing in Xlib.
[21:14:34] <jtektool> which is weird since gmoccapy works
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[21:27:48] <jtektooltoo> so yeah it needs a touchy.hal and doesnt have one... does anyone have some sample files for a 5i25/7i77 combo?
[21:30:04] <cradek> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/touchy.html#_hal_connections
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[21:50:25] <enleth> does anyone use separate boxes for linuxcnc backend and GUI processes?
[21:50:33] <enleth> with X forwarding over network or something?
[21:50:59] <cradek> I'm sure some people do that - it's a normal feature of X
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[21:54:33] <enleth> just wondering if there's a tangible benefit
[21:54:46] <enleth> I guess graphics cards are the worst offenders when it comes to hard RT
[21:55:11] <CaptHindsight> HMI at the beach, machine in the shop
[21:55:24] <enleth> so it would make sense to set up a box that just doesn't have one (with a BIOS that boots without a VGA adapter)
[21:55:34] <CaptHindsight> smartphone is too small to see Axis :)
[21:55:46] <FinboySlick> My attempts to do that weren't very successful actually.
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[21:56:07] <FinboySlick> Though it was a while ago.
[21:56:17] <enleth> FinboySlick: separating the GUI over network?
[21:56:22] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: headless or at the beach?
[21:56:39] <enleth> there's also the possibility to use Xvnc
[21:56:48] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: I must have neglected the beach aspect of things ;)
[21:57:11] <FinboySlick> enleth: running axis as a remote X application.
[21:57:25] <enleth> it's still more reasonable to expect the pure software implementation of Xvnc and the ethernet adapter to maintain RT than it would be with regard to a graphics card
[21:57:42] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: cradek
http://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/simplest-asian-dressing
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[22:04:31] <CaptHindsight> X and graphics drivers also talk direct to hardware if the developer was lazy and hoped nobody would care or notice
[22:05:22] <CaptHindsight> they stopped caring about low latency and real time, just getting their end to work
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[22:09:14] <enleth> CaptHindsight: thus Xvnc
[22:09:24] <enleth> all software, fully preemptible
[22:10:07] <CaptHindsight> X without a GPU would be all software
[22:11:58] <enleth> I think that's what I just said
[22:13:58] <_methods> that
[22:14:03] <_methods> is why his name is CaptHindsight
[22:14:09] <malcom2073> lol
[22:14:17] <Deejay> gn8
[22:14:22] <_methods> it's his super power
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[22:21:54] <Jymmm> It feels cheap, can lift/carry with one finger, but damn does it work well, I'm VERY impressed for what it is...
http://www.amazon.com/Eureka-Bagless-Upright-Vacuum-AS2113A/dp/B00WGEW9CA
[22:22:24] <Jymmm> The 'ASS ONE' vacuum =)
[22:26:12] <CaptHindsight> you gotta wake up pretty late in the afternoon to fool me :)
[22:31:45] <CaptHindsight> maybe remote USB display
[22:32:16] <CaptHindsight> USB GPU on Ethernet to USB bridge
[22:33:05] <CaptHindsight> last time I tried USB graphics on Linux it was pretty awful to setup
[22:33:49] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Try these graphics...
https://hackaday.com/2016/01/31/tv-transmitter-uses-esp8266/
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[22:36:07] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: so video over wireless! What will they think of next?
[22:36:50] <CaptHindsight> reminds me of that Latin phrase tele vision
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[23:18:18] <Loetmichel> *meh* half second power net failure. Note to self: have to get new batteries for the UPS.. completely dead. didnt even sufficient for half a second... :-(
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[23:29:22] <Tecan> whats the easiest way to get the linuxcnc 2.7.3 iso ?
[23:31:54] <JT-Shop> internet
[23:32:09] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/
[23:33:16] * JT-Shop needs to clean his desk
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[23:38:52] <__rob> anyone know if tormachs source code for path pilot is available ?
[23:39:05] <__rob> not on their website, but presumably they have to have put it out if lcnc is gpl ?
[23:40:04] <JT-Shop> you have to pay for a cd or go to jeffs web site, look on the forum for clues
[23:40:10] <malcom2073> They don't have to make it available to anyone except those who buy their software
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[23:40:20] <__rob> well I have one of their machines
[23:40:27] <__rob> guess I can email them
[23:40:27] <malcom2073> Assuming their code is linked in such a way that it requires GPL compliance
[23:40:43] <malcom2073> Yeah I'd email them
[23:41:22] <__rob> also, their machine just boots straight into path pilot, is it possible (at least in linux cnc) to get a terminal up ?
[23:41:31] <__rob> I really want the machine to be on the network
[23:41:57] <JT-Shop> doubt it, why path pilot?
[23:42:10] <__rob> thats what they shipped with the mill
[23:42:30] <JT-Shop> ah ok that makes sense then
[23:42:35] <__rob> their mod of linuxcnc, so supports everything out of the box
[23:42:52] <__rob> but I dont want to be messing around with usb keys to transfer across toolpaths
[23:44:07] <spooq> pathpilot looks pretty good
[23:44:32] <JT-Shop> looks pretty limiting to me
[23:44:38] <__rob> the layout is pretty decent
[23:44:46] <__rob> far nicer than mach3 ever was
[23:44:59] <spooq> I watched their video, it solves a bunch of crap with mach3
[23:45:12] * JT-Shop never could get mark3 to work
[23:45:14] <spooq> doesnt really matter if its limiting if it does what oyu want
[23:45:17] <spooq> I use it
[23:45:22] <__rob> think thats why they switch.. alof of their old "how to" pdfs for mach3 have warnings all over the place
[23:45:23] <spooq> its... meh
[23:45:50] * JT-Shop goes inside to start some chow
[23:46:03] <__rob> only thing I dont see is an easy way to add my own scripts for setup etc..
[23:46:06] <spooq> I use mach3, I mean
[23:46:20] <__rob> they have pre done ones for the digital probe for centre finding and boss centre
[23:46:35] <__rob> but I was assuming as it was linuxcnc it would be more easily customisable
[23:47:39] <PCW> I dont think they want you to customize, from a support standpoint
[23:47:53] <__rob> yea :/
[23:48:13] <spooq> they are generally ok with customising, just not, as you say, combined with using their support to look after whatever you do
[23:48:49] <spooq> fwiw, if you google for it, you can find the src
[23:48:52] <__rob> what I was hoping was to be able to have a script for orientation finding, so if you dont have a part in a squared up vice, and its not square on the table, you can just probe around it
[23:49:23] <cradek> you can do that all in gcode. just run the gcode program.
[23:49:25] <__rob> and find out how much its rotated by and have the toolpath rotated by that
[23:49:39] <__rob> yes, but that means i have to remake the toolpath ?
[23:49:42] <cradek> probing, math, rotating is all done in gcode
[23:49:49] <cradek> no, just rotate the coordinate system
[23:49:57] <__rob> yea, but then I have to manually probe and do all that
[23:49:58] <__rob> is what I mean
[23:50:07] <cradek> no, probing is done with gcode
[23:50:08] <__rob> I need to generate the rotation value
[23:50:15] <cradek> yes I understand
[23:50:31] <cradek> gcode and rotation the coordinate system are both done by running gcodes
[23:50:33] <__rob> so if its some random part, i would need to run an optimisation solve for the orientation
[23:50:35] <cradek> err
[23:50:43] <cradek> probing and rotating the coordinate system are both done by running gcodes
[23:50:45] <__rob> find the best fit of the tool path to the probe points
[23:50:55] <__rob> so I could litterally slap the part down, and click probe, then go
[23:51:14] <cradek> we're obviously talking past each other
[23:51:27] <malcom2073> How do you make the part square in the first place if your vise isn't square?
[23:51:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Actually no, it's the I2S (not I2C) bus modulating that NTSC signal, nothing at all todo with wifi actually.
[23:51:46] <__rob> malcom2073, I mean if you dont have a vise
[23:51:54] <__rob> if you had a vaccum table
[23:51:55] <cradek> malcom2073: imagine finishing some castings that have a flat surface you mount to the table
[23:52:07] <cradek> malcom2073: of course it's stupid to NOT square a vise, if your parts go in a vise
[23:52:08] <malcom2073> Ah, so I guess you can plop a piece down, square it up, then when you remove/replace, garuntee it's stright
[23:52:10] <__rob> ohh, different question
[23:52:28] <spooq> you don't really have to square a vice...
[23:52:36] <spooq> not if you are willing to probe it
[23:52:38] <cradek> sure but it's stupid not to
[23:52:40] <__rob> cradek, so is this possible, I understand the gcodes are there to set the work offsets
[23:52:57] <__rob> but to get that rotation I would need to be able to run aa python script or something
[23:53:08] <spooq> well its not a lot of effort, and comes with some benefits, but I have run programs perfectly well with the vice at like 10 degrees to square
[23:53:09] <cradek> no, you can do it in gcode
[23:53:13] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: cradek: That dressings... might add a lil honey or sugar. server over finely sliced cabbage, half a bunch of chopped cilantro, roasted peanuts, could add leftover chopped chicken.
[23:53:14] <spooq> just to see if I could, really
[23:53:52] <malcom2073> cradek: You can have an angle offset in gcode?
[23:54:14] <spooq> g68 I think
[23:54:26] <cradek> you can rotate the various work coordinate systems around Z
[23:54:33] <cradek> each one can have its own rotation
[23:54:41] <malcom2073> Hmm, that's useful
[23:54:54] <cradek> yes then you can mount several castings and align a coordinate system to each one
[23:55:54] <__rob> cradek, but the problem I mean is to get the actual value of the rotation and translation offset for the Gcode
[23:56:24] <cradek> do you mean you want to take the results of your probing and do some trig on them?
[23:56:28] <__rob> that requires solving an optimisation problem
[23:56:44] <__rob> well I would want to fit the outside edge of the toolpath to the probe points, yea
[23:56:46] <cradek> heh, I think it only requires very simple trig
[23:57:06] <cradek> like probe two points that should be aligned (or at a certain angle) and then rotate so they are
[23:57:09] <__rob> well, only if you have already matching sets of points
[23:57:11] <__rob> but you dont
[23:57:18] <__rob> you have random locations on a part in the machine
[23:57:28] <spooq> I dont think you want to change the gcode to match your probe points
[23:57:28] <cradek> then I don't understand your task
[23:57:37] <spooq> like, after the probe
[23:57:51] <cradek> no, you want to align the coordinate system to the part and then run the unmodified gcode
[23:57:58] <__rob> the task is flip a part on a vaccum table to mill the other side. dont have to worry to much about alignment or jigs
[23:58:11] <__rob> have the probe probe the part to find its orientation, and any translation offset
[23:58:15] <spooq> so you dont have to align any features on either side?
[23:58:23] <__rob> then set the work offset (including rotation)
[23:58:27] <spooq> are there any features?
[23:58:28] <__rob> start milling other side
[23:58:31] <cradek> the part has to be nearly in the right place to probe it, right? otherwise how does the probe find it?
[23:58:55] <__rob> well, thats it, if you come in from each side, it wouldn't
[23:59:10] <__rob> but yea, I would flip and palce roughly the same place
[23:59:32] <cradek> yeah, if it's aligned against a linear feature, you can sure find it automatically by probing parallel to the feature
[23:59:44] <__rob> yup, but I would want it genertic
[23:59:58] <cradek> there's no generic solution :-)
