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[00:04:14] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Is that just, as the article said, people not valuing communication?
[00:04:30] <XXCoder> malcom2073: when its family yes
[00:04:33] <malcom2073> Most communication I have with my family is over text, not voice anyway, because the content is way more important than the delivery method
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[00:05:01] <XXCoder> my best friend is one of quite extreme case. his parents didnt even bother to find out that he wasnt being taught at school at all
[00:05:16] <malcom2073> That sucks
[00:05:17] <XXCoder> as he puts it, hes always alone and sitting
[00:05:40] <XXCoder> when he found out about deaf school he had a bitter fight with his parents so they finally sent him there
[00:05:57] <XXCoder> and he said he was "born" the day he first entered school
[00:06:06] <XXCoder> he had to do all his eduction within that 4 years
[00:06:16] <malcom2073> That's really awesome that he was able to find that place though
[00:06:32] <XXCoder> he did pretty good comparing. he now has better relationship with his mom
[00:07:08] <XXCoder> yeah I met him there, he was senior and I was freshman
[00:07:10] <gregcnc> if mesa 5i25 was purchased with 7i76 and now I have 7i77 do i have to replace firmware manually or will pncconf take care of it?
[00:08:57] <andypugh> XXCoder: A more difficult situation is something I have heard of where parents don’t want their deaf kids to be surgically made to hear because then they are not part of the deaf community that their parents belong to. I was apalled the first time I heard it, but the more I think about it, the more I understand. The community we belong to is part of who we are. It’s like Catholic parents refusing to admit to their
[00:08:58] <andypugh> that it all seems stupd to them too.
[00:09:33] <XXCoder> malcom2073: other case is my sis in law. her parents learned how to sign somewhat and made effort. they didnt do too well on including her in conversions and events
[00:09:37] <XXCoder> but much better anyway
[00:09:46] <andypugh> gregcnc: pnnconf does not even know what firmware is on a card. You can run pncconf with no card attached.
[00:09:57] <SpeedEvil> Early learning can be key.
[00:10:04] <SpeedEvil> I found an interesting paper on braille.
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[00:10:18] <XXCoder> andypugh: dunno, CT is very very complex issue. need to implant before certain age so brain audio centers develops, but it converts deaf to broken hearing person
[00:10:19] <SpeedEvil> If you don't learn braille by age 10, you get to typically 60WPM.
[00:10:32] <gregcnc> thanks, this mesa stuff will be fun.......
[00:10:34] <SpeedEvil> If you learn well before then, you typically get to 300-500wpmn
[00:10:50] <XXCoder> it does make difference
[00:11:34] <andypugh> gregcnc: You need mesaflash
[00:12:04] <XXCoder> andypugh: people who got CT is RARELY happy.
[00:12:26] <andypugh> XXCoder: Yeah, I did say that I got it :-)
[00:12:52] <bobo__> Pete I was offered the use of 4 skates but thought a steel plate was better for me as not haveing to lift mach twice to put on skate to move mach and then lift again to remove , plus the skates could not be bolted to the mach and was concerend about slipping of skate off the mach
[00:12:53] <andypugh> Happy deaf parents with deaf child, if you don’t know what you are missing…..
[00:13:40] <XXCoder> oh deaf families do have problems same as any other family
[00:13:42] <XXCoder> but yeah
[00:14:14] <andypugh> If I was in some horrible game where I had to choose a sense to lose, hearing is just after smell.
[00:14:42] <XXCoder> heh I cant smell either, and boy, if I choose which sense to RESTORE, it'd be smell first
[00:14:50] <andypugh> Yeah?
[00:14:53] <XXCoder> no shit.
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[00:15:12] <XXCoder> http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1990-i-have-no-sense-smell-5-insane-realities.html
[00:15:28] <andypugh> I am kind-of ignoring how much of taste is actually smell.
[00:15:48] <XXCoder> only difference is that with only 3 remaining senses my senses is overly sensive so I can taste more
[00:15:53] <andypugh> Having no sense of touch might be the worst of all.
[00:16:02] <XXCoder> indeed
[00:16:46] <XXCoder> for me, in order from least to worse - taste, smell, touch, eyesight
[00:16:53] <andypugh> Not for any touchy-feely-huggy reason, just that people with that problem injure themselves continuously.
[00:17:05] <XXCoder> hm I cant recall one more sense
[00:17:36] <XXCoder> duuuh hearing. put it between smell and touch
[00:17:37] <andypugh> The one you dont have, and the one that nobody knows they have
[00:18:03] <XXCoder> no, between taste and smell I mean
[00:18:45] <andypugh> There is also the kinesthetic sense. You know where your limbs are.
[00:18:56] <XXCoder> ahh yeah
[00:19:06] <andypugh> You can touch you nose with any finger, with your eyes closed, with no erros.
[00:19:48] <XXCoder> more or less
[00:19:52] <andypugh> (We appear to contian encoders and a kins module :-)
[00:19:54] <SpeedEvil> You can only really tell when you're at that point.
[00:20:26] <XXCoder> precision sucks, around .1" lol
[00:20:27] <SpeedEvil> I have chronic fatigue syndrom - my legs in principle work, and I can run with them. I would have them amputated tomorrow if it would cure the fatigue.
[00:21:18] <andypugh> XXCoder: I would put it about 1” for any random body part. Try little finger to ankle…
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[00:21:47] <XXCoder> I see someone at work with .5" precision on body psotion, he would miss buttons constantly if he wasnt smart enough to just near hit button, adjust position then hit
[00:21:55] * SpeedEvil ponders moments of inertia.
[00:21:58] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: fatigue or “restless legs” ?
[00:22:48] <SpeedEvil> archivist: Fatigue - much of the time I'm extremely tired. Any concentrated mental or slightly active physical activity can is often as tiring as if I've been doing it for hours, not minutes.
[00:23:06] <XXCoder> andypugh: that cracked article entry #5 is a expecially bad problem for me. I also has guts that is not quite 100% working
[00:23:12] <XXCoder> lifelong problem
[00:23:17] <SpeedEvil> It can be hard to work out what a deficit will do to you without experiencing it.
[00:24:49] <bobo__> SpeedEvil you are still luckey wate till the chronic old burnt out gezzer syndrom crawles into the picture. just wate for it
[00:25:01] <XXCoder> ketchup is.. a taste nuclear bomb for me lol
[00:25:14] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: sucks. I cant imange lacking energy all time
[00:25:17] <SpeedEvil> bobo__: I have argon.
[00:25:37] <SpeedEvil> Sorry - moving on.
[00:26:29] <XXCoder> andypugh: did you read that cracked article? it gives you a very good idea
[00:26:41] <SpeedEvil> Is there a term for 'stored energy in a rotating system' ?
[00:26:49] <SpeedEvil> It's not rotational inertia
[00:27:00] <XXCoder> ponental energy is generic term
[00:27:07] <XXCoder> not sure if theres specific term for that
[00:27:07] <SpeedEvil> I guess
[00:27:14] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: Angular momentum?
[00:27:20] <SpeedEvil> No, energy.
[00:27:40] <SpeedEvil> I'm wondering from the perspecive of time to speed up/slow down a motor drive
[00:27:47] <XXCoder> kenetic energy?
[00:27:54] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotational_energy ?
[00:27:57] <andypugh> Well, it’s rotational minetic energy
[00:28:03] <SpeedEvil> I guess the generic term works.
[00:28:05] <andypugh> (kinetic)
[00:28:12] <SpeedEvil> I was wondering if there was a specific term of art.
[00:29:12] <andypugh> Yes, rotational kinetic energy, but I seem to recall that it is very closely linked to angular momentum. As they are both conservedm and one is just a geometric product of the other.
[00:29:43] <SpeedEvil> There is the important ^2 term - for motor drives and things.
[00:30:06] <andypugh> ie, RotKE is angular momentum * I, and both are conserved and I rarely changes.
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[00:30:22] <SpeedEvil> err - no.
[00:30:46] <andypugh> Or is is I^2? In any case, there is a rather close correspondence.
[00:30:51] <SpeedEvil> For a given system, if it's rotating 10* as fast, it has 10* the angular momentum, but 100* the rotartional kinetic energy
[00:31:05] <SpeedEvil> which matters if you're trying to optimise for fast changes in speed
[00:31:42] <SpeedEvil> - I'm trying to work out fast moderate precision muscle-like things using RC brushless stuff.
[00:32:23] <andypugh> My point, and it is a rather vague point after midnight on a friday, is that the difference only matters in systems that can change their moment of inertia.
[00:32:51] <andypugh> ie, you can choose to use either in your calcs and get the same answers.
[00:32:52] <SpeedEvil> for angular momentum, yes, but not if you care about stored energy you have to add and remove
[00:33:24] <SpeedEvil> (and are comparing things with different max RPM)
[00:34:08] <SpeedEvil> It's a fun design, because you probably really need ideally a clutch, and a brake as well as just a gear
[00:34:13] <SpeedEvil> and for it to be light
[00:34:23] <andypugh> For a motor system you can look at torque x time and monentum ot power x time and energy, whichever is easier. I am prepared to bet almost 10p that you get the same answers at the end.
[00:35:29] <SpeedEvil> torque * time = angular momentum. Power * time = energy
[00:36:56] <SpeedEvil> If you're comparing two drives, with the same angular momentum, but one has 3* the RPM, then the stored energy will be 10* the other.
[00:37:23] <__rob> anyone got an opinion on which is better, er collects vs a set screw endmill holder
[00:37:48] <Sync> depends
[00:37:51] <XXCoder> __rob: honestly either works for certain uses. set screw has smaller diameter which can be important
[00:37:54] <Sync> weldon usually are cheaper
[00:38:08] <Sync> but you must get good ones
[00:38:11] <XXCoder> while collets is easy to change, great when tools wear out very fast (like on very hard metal)
[00:38:15] <Sync> otherwise they suck
[00:38:32] <__rob> yea, well I have enough of both
[00:38:37] <__rob> the Tormach ones
[00:38:38] <XXCoder> there is also heat strunk collets (dunno proper name) which is even thinner than set screw but money more I guess
[00:38:41] <__rob> so I am filling the ATC
[00:38:49] <__rob> I've always used collects before
[00:38:51] <__rob> collets
[00:39:05] <__rob> but I got a range of setscrew ones, so not gonna be changing all that much
[00:39:25] <__rob> will likely have other tools setup out of the ATC in some of the tormach holders
[00:39:30] <XXCoder> __rob: set screw is great if you has specialized tool grinder to add those notches those need.
[00:39:36] <__rob> so just trying to divide up what I have between most used tools and less used etc..
[00:39:44] <XXCoder> shop I work at recently got one, and man is it amazing!
[00:40:02] <__rob> you need a notch for the set screw ?
[00:40:21] <Sync> yes
[00:40:33] <Sync> http://robbjack.com/technical/modifications/weldon-flats.jpg
[00:40:46] <__rob> ahh yea
[00:40:53] <__rob> of course to stop it slipping round
[00:40:56] <XXCoder> __rob: oh yes very much a yes.
[00:41:08] <__rob> yea never used the set screw ones before
[00:41:11] <andypugh> __rob: Never even try to use a setscrew on a hardened shank with no flat
[00:41:23] <__rob> right
[00:41:26] <__rob> thats good to know
[00:41:29] <XXCoder> __rob: make sure to pull tool upwards when setting.
[00:41:31] <__rob> how 'good' does my flat have to be
[00:41:39] <Sync> good
[00:41:43] <andypugh> It needs to exist :-)
[00:41:46] <__rob> right, so not a hand grinder job
[00:41:49] <XXCoder> flat-ish
[00:41:49] <andypugh> Not a lot more, really.
[00:41:54] <Sync> you can hand grind them
[00:41:58] <Sync> but it is eh
[00:42:14] <Sync> I usually just buy my mills with them
[00:42:23] <__rob> yup, I have some with them
[00:42:23] <XXCoder> just don't curve "out" (same curve s tool itself)
[00:42:28] <__rob> but I have a ton of end mills without
[00:42:31] <XXCoder> inwards or flat is fine
[00:42:44] <__rob> curve out?
[00:42:53] <__rob> you mean grind round the radius a bit ?
[00:42:54] <XXCoder> still round basically
[00:42:58] <__rob> yea,
[00:43:14] <andypugh> Making heat-shrink holders turns out to be not so hard. Though I have no idea if the ones I made recently will ever let go.
[00:43:15] <__rob> makes sense
[00:43:41] <XXCoder> andypugh: heat strunk is awesome, but equipment is hard to use so not really using much of those.
[00:43:47] <Sync> o0
[00:43:51] <Sync> it is super easy to use
[00:43:51] <__rob> trying to think if I could setup the grinder on the table somehow
[00:43:54] <Sync> you pop it in the thing
[00:43:57] <__rob> for a perfect grind
[00:43:58] <Sync> and pull the tool out
[00:44:08] <Sync> or put it in
[00:44:26] <andypugh> I used a blow torch for fitting, and my lathe to rotate the holder and shove the tool in in one go. As I said, I have no idea how to get the tool out again.
[00:44:29] <Sync> but for regular machining shrink holders don't have many uses
[00:44:35] <XXCoder> Sync: machine at work has many different settings for correct dameter and such
[00:44:54] <Sync> the diameters come out of the presetter
[00:45:05] <Sync> ah
[00:45:06] <Sync> well
[00:45:08] <Sync> dunno
[00:45:15] <Sync> the one we use just works
[00:45:20] <XXCoder> Sync: its important when SMALL diameter is important. like need 5 inches barely larger than tool itself. say 2 inch of tool + 3 inch heat strunk collet
[00:45:40] <XXCoder> maybe its to make feature close to much taller side of part or soemthing
[00:45:49] <andypugh> This was a one-off super long drill and err, this horror:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6231236737028424114
[00:46:06] <XXCoder> crazy
[00:46:25] <Sync> yeah, but such ops are uncommon
[00:46:30] <andypugh> Struggling with machine-too-small-for-job
[00:46:41] <XXCoder> it isnt, good thing as I suck on heat strunk collets.
[00:48:00] <bobo__> andypugh what amount did you use for the shrink factor ?
[00:48:01] <andypugh> This was an example of part-wall in the way, I needed the holder smaller than the tool.
[00:48:26] <andypugh> Very sientifically.. one thou per inch
[00:49:23] <bobo__> worked so good enough
[00:49:34] <__rob> ughhm looks like most people are just using their pro grinding setup to add flats to any tool
[00:49:35] <andypugh> So, a thou and a half in that case. Converted to metric as I work in metric when making stuff, and imperial when guessing stuff.
[00:50:12] <XXCoder> __rob: orginially shop I work at have this weird "grinder lathe" for making good tool flats
[00:50:39] <XXCoder> they later added simple grinder setup. it has special parts where you put tool in and it helps hold tool steady to be ground
[00:51:45] <__rob> yea, checking them out now
[00:51:51] <__rob> not cheap for something alright
[00:52:02] <__rob> might try and rig up the dewalt on the table
[00:52:02] <XXCoder> you could mod a cheap grinder
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[00:52:17] <XXCoder> really whats different is hinge setup to hold tool
[00:52:47] <__rob> yea, actually I could easily mill out a setup to do that on a cheapo benchtop
[00:52:50] <bobo__> nothing like being able to use chose metric or imperial for the best results
[00:53:46] <__rob> http://www.screwfix.com/p/energer-enb519grb-150mm-bench-grinder-240v/93157?kpid=93157&cm_mmc=Google-_-Product%20Listing%20Ads-_-Sales%20Tracking-_-sales%20tracking%20url&cm_mmc=Google-_-Shopping%20-%20Power%20Tools-_-Shopping%20-%20Power%20Tools&gclid=CjwKEAiAw4e1BRDfi7vghaWU9jESJACzo9jubnxAo7kK5YAT41YX6O2U7XULcR-aNIf8Y6DEPPY7hRoCB5zw_wcB
[00:53:48] <__rob> something like that
[00:54:01] <__rob> not quite sure how they can make that and ship it from china for £18
[00:54:09] <__rob> and screwfix are making a profit on it
[00:54:14] <XXCoder> bulk shipping
[00:54:30] <__rob> that should work no ?
[00:54:41] <__rob> bold it down and make a tool jig
[00:54:50] <__rob> bolt*
[00:54:50] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:55:06] <XXCoder> probably need better wheels expecially for carbide tools
[00:55:28] <XXCoder> *grinder wheels whatever proper name is
[00:55:51] <Sync> yeah, just get a diamond wheel, or SiC
[00:56:03] <__rob> they likely standard for those things?
[00:56:18] <XXCoder> Sync: think thats what my work has, klooks metal with spikes and voids in it
[00:56:30] <__rob> always a problem with a cheapo tool is that you find that the shipped parts are the only ones you'll ever find to work with it
[00:56:31] <__rob> heh
[00:56:44] <Sync> well SiC discs exist for them
[00:57:02] <Sync> but you will want to make proper washers for the grinder
[00:57:06] <Sync> as that is where they suck bad
[00:57:40] <XXCoder> http://lapidarytec.com/cart/images/cache/5Grinder_Disk.580.jpg
[00:57:47] <__rob> just thinking about how this has got to work
[00:57:49] <XXCoder> this looks kinda like one at work. diamond grinder
[00:57:53] <__rob> tool needs to move vertically right ?
[00:57:54] <__rob> to get it flat
[00:58:28] <XXCoder> yeah and tool holder helps it ridig, your hands can do it but not as steady as hinged holder
[00:58:32] <__rob> or at least along some axis so I dont get a concave 'flat'
[00:58:43] <XXCoder> actually concave is fine
[00:58:54] <XXCoder> convex may be too problemic
[00:58:56] <XXCoder> it might rotate
[00:59:02] <__rob> yea, ok
[00:59:14] <__rob> so actually I could get away with a holder and hinge
[00:59:25] <__rob> makes it easy
[00:59:45] <XXCoder> yep that would work. tool holder is flat with hinge end, and other end has umm "U" bends
[01:00:14] <XXCoder> it holds size range, and other side has larger U for larger tool range
[01:00:37] <__rob> yup, just thinkign the same :)
[01:00:42] <XXCoder> forgot exact range but left side could hold around 1/2 max, and other side is larger
[01:01:09] <XXCoder> the U has groove at where tool would contact grinder
[01:01:11] <XXCoder> so you can see
[01:01:34] <__rob> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak1iBeH0v_k
[01:01:50] <__rob> just a v-groove holder, with some kind of clamp I presume
[01:02:07] <__rob> cant really see his fingers are in the way
[01:02:12] <XXCoder> one at work uses U, but V would work I guess
[01:02:34] <XXCoder> that ones definitely different but I guess can hold even smaller range tools than one at work
[01:02:48] <XXCoder> probably can grind tiny ones but then no point to
[01:03:02] <XXCoder> but you see the groove I meant too there
[01:03:07] <XXCoder> helps you see
[01:03:15] <__rob> yea, got collets for small tools
[01:03:55] <XXCoder> my guess is hardest part is ensuring hinge is very near T to grinder
[01:04:15] <XXCoder> so you dont get off T grinds.
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[01:07:05] <__rob> http://s7g3.scene7.com/is/image/ae235?wid=1000&hei=1000&op_sharpen=1&layer=0&size=1000,1000&layer=1&size=1000,1000&src=ae235/93157_P
[01:07:10] <__rob> looks like it has a mount
[01:07:27] <XXCoder> nice!
[01:07:47] <XXCoder> easy enough for you to craft a tool grinder addon
[01:08:01] <__rob> bet it feels like £18 tho
[01:08:15] <__rob> the tool I'm grinding will be more most of the time :)
[01:08:20] <__rob> anyway, thats great - thanks
[01:09:49] <XXCoder> np
[01:10:11] <XXCoder> though I dont suggest using it for anything but tool grind
[01:10:31] <XXCoder> it would make grinder not flat and parallel to tool surface
[01:11:44] <XXCoder> if you need regular too, maybe one side is regular
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[01:12:40] <XXCoder> http://cheezburger.com/4828794624
[01:12:42] <XXCoder> wha the..
[01:13:04] <__rob> umm, surely grinding tools is no different to anything tho ?
[01:13:08] <__rob> it would wear the disc evenly
[01:13:29] <XXCoder> yeah but using grinder on something else probably would make it not even
[01:13:37] <XXCoder> which is unsuitable for tool grind
[01:13:39] <__rob> ohh I see what you mean
[01:13:42] <__rob> the other way round
[01:13:54] <__rob> ok, thats a good point
[01:13:55] <__rob> thanks
[01:14:01] <XXCoder> np
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[01:21:57] <__rob> trying to source a diamon wheels for that grinder from ebay
[01:22:04] <__rob> ø150mm x 16 x 12.7mm is given in the manual
[01:22:18] <__rob> gotta be 16mm hole right ?
[01:24:21] <__rob> thats what its only £18!
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[01:26:52] <__rob> mmm mabey not
[01:27:09] <__rob> found a few 12.7 discs
[01:28:58] <XXCoder> no idea, I'm sure you can figure it out though :)
[01:30:11] <__rob> will just pick one up and have a look
[01:30:40] <XXCoder> funny your new grinder and disc probably cost 10% the new machine at my work
[01:32:35] <__rob> as long as its better than 10% as good
[01:32:46] <__rob> the reviews on the website are all surprisingly positive
[01:32:54] <XXCoder> I'm sure its pretty good
[01:33:05] <XXCoder> expecially after you add tool grinder attachment
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[01:53:55] <gregcnc> ughh where should I put mesa .bit files to update 5i25 using mesaflash? seems simple, but I don't even linux
[02:00:15] <__rob> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121359786829
[02:00:35] <__rob> looks very resonable
[02:00:51] <__rob> tool grinder for £34
[02:01:04] <__rob> with that disc
[02:04:34] <gregcnc> got it sorted
[02:04:40] <PCW> gregcnc: it doesn't matter where the bitfiles are (as long as you give mesaflash a path to then)
[02:04:52] <PCW> s/then/them
[02:06:15] <PCW> you can load the new configuration into the FPGA with
[02:06:17] <PCW> sudo mesaflash --device 5i25 --reload
[02:07:04] <PCW> (to avoid a power cycle)
[02:18:06] <gregcnc> right it's talking now
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[05:47:52] <XXCoder> hmm who did I chat with about glass drop thats very strong
[05:48:07] <SpeedEvil> Rupert?
[05:48:21] <XXCoder> yah
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[06:06:09] <Jut> is anyone out there?
[06:06:25] <XXCoder> I'm not out there
[06:06:28] <XXCoder> I'm in my room
[06:06:28] <Jut> ... i want to believe
[06:06:44] <XXCoder> I belive in my room
[06:06:47] <Jut> <==>
[06:06:54] <Jut> that was a flying saucer
[06:07:14] <Jut> i'm feeling defeated
[06:07:28] <Jut> wrt to latency
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[06:08:19] <Jut> > 200us spikes every so often. i tried to clear the smictrl bits, but it seems not possible
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[06:35:37] <anomynous> youre out there because im in here
[06:35:41] <anomynous> why is that so complicated?
[06:35:45] <anomynous> its obvious, duh.
[06:38:40] <aventtini6> hello guys
[06:39:20] <anomynous> hello
[06:39:53] <aventtini6> how is the traj on the 2.7
[06:40:04] <aventtini6> commpared to 2.6
[06:42:15] <archivist> much improved
[06:42:16] <XXCoder> no, I'm here. you'e out there
[06:42:17] <XXCoder> heh
[06:42:47] <archivist> jut some motherboards are like that
[06:42:54] <aventtini6> i want to update some of my machines
[06:43:22] <anomynous> hey hey what is vector calculus
[06:43:49] <aventtini6> man i have change some thrust berings and i cant understand why they are so expensive
[06:44:02] <aventtini6> 500e per pcs
[06:44:29] <aventtini6> and a ballscrew is for the machine is 700E brand new
[06:44:31] <aventtini6> :)))
[06:44:43] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/ubwPm9UK4F8
[06:46:21] <aventtini6> japannn
[06:46:23] <aventtini6> :D
[06:47:21] <anomynous> it took me a while to realize what it is supposed to do
[06:50:17] <XXCoder> fancy.
http://makezine.com/2016/01/22/an-arduino-powered-laser-engraver-that-you-can-build/
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[06:53:46] <anomynous> wee
[06:54:38] <anomynous> i maded a support for a dish machine plate support out of aluminium.
[06:54:41] <anomynous> :U high tech
[06:55:36] <anomynous> i hope dish wash doesnt corrode it
[06:56:13] <XXCoder> unless dishwasher contains couple possile elements, it wont.
[06:56:38] <XXCoder> up to point as I recall alum would evenually corrode in constant wet
[06:56:40] <anomynous> couple possible elements?
[06:56:47] <XXCoder> gallenium for one
[06:56:53] <XXCoder> thats one metal killer
[06:56:54] <anomynous> never heard of it
[06:57:30] <XXCoder> other one (forgot which) causes alum to be unable to coat with tough alum oxide coat so it willbreak alum down
[06:58:00] <anomynous> so if it starts doing to take it for anodizing?
[06:58:43] <archivist> anodising process uses sulphuric and caustic solutions
[06:59:41] <archivist> the thickness can be adjusted for various levels of protection from pretty to 30 years outdoors
[07:00:04] <anomynous> thats 10 years inside a dish washer
[07:00:05] <anomynous> ;D
[07:01:55] <XXCoder> geez
https://youtu.be/YsLnBcXIH4E
[07:02:01] <XXCoder> dangerous.
[07:02:27] <Jut> i was just reading that Tormach is using linuxcnc now, instead of Mach3
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[07:06:34] <anomynous> roughing jaws roughing jaws. Muah. No more sawing. Thin grip work holding. Low gripping area and tall workpieces. Muah.
[07:06:43] <Jut> I wonder if/what Tormach will give back to linuxcnc
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[07:07:48] <archivist> Jut, an improved trajectory planner has been given back already
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[07:19:04] <Jut> oh wow, that's really cool they gave back some improvements
[07:20:23] <Jut> archivist, i wonder what motherboard/cpu/chipsets Tormach is using in their linuxcnc computer
[07:21:08] <archivist> not sure
[07:28:00] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAdSz4zZs74 look like phun
[07:32:40] <XXCoder> sparkies
[07:37:11] <Jut> https://youtu.be/412N5A-N8Fc?t=77
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[07:40:55] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1K5QjR3hyU
[07:41:09] <XXCoder> one of my favorite "sparky" cutting
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[07:51:15] <XXCoder> check this artcle.
http://hackaday.com/2016/01/18/whats-in-a-tool-a-case-for-made-in-usa/
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[08:05:54] <Deejay> moin
[08:07:45] <archivist> XXCoder, I happen to collect adjustables
[08:09:27] <archivist> sometimes the design is just plain wrong regardless of where made
http://www.adjustable.archivist.info/
[08:10:52] <XXCoder> that is.. strange
[08:11:12] <XXCoder> my bro has dad's old weird wrench
[08:11:22] <XXCoder> handles so short
[08:12:45] <archivist> it is a tool that gets redesigned by hundreds, often with basic mistakes
[08:13:50] <archivist> that site is way behind, so many more to add
[08:17:34] <XXCoder> cool
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[08:43:17] <Jymmm> Hi XXCoder
[08:43:25] <XXCoder> yo
[08:43:27] <yasnak> https://vid.me/X0M4
[08:43:36] <jym> Hi xx
[08:44:20] <XXCoder> "untrusted connection" on vid.me
[08:45:15] <yasnak> hmmmm, it wasn't interesting anyways. just bored finishing up a few jobs.
[08:45:41] <yasnak> https://vid.me/W3Oc must be a cert issue for geotrust
[08:46:03] <jym> Xx coder. book nick completion in this client
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[08:46:14] <jym> no*
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[08:47:13] <jym> xxcoder no nick completion on this client.
[08:47:32] <XXCoder> oh
[08:47:43] <jym> well, no TAB button
[08:48:14] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Theres is on THIS one though ;)
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[08:49:26] <Jymmm> bu bye me
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[09:10:06] <XXCoder> http://www.bridgecitytools.com/blog/2010/10/25/5-for-a-18-twist-drill-only-in-america/
[09:10:08] <XXCoder> geez
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[09:49:21] <SpeedEvil> http://www.chinalawblog.com/ I find very enlightening
[09:50:09] <SpeedEvil> http://www.chinalawblog.com/2015/03/china-factory-problems-always-your-fault.html
[09:51:09] <SpeedEvil> http://www.chinalawblog.com/2013/08/how-to-get-good-product-from-china-specificity-is-the-key-to-your-oem-agreement.html also
[09:55:32] <XXCoder> interestng
[09:57:06] <SpeedEvil> If you don't actually say you want your 'good quality' drillbits to be of a certain hardness, and made from a certain quality of metal - with specific damages to be paid if they are not - then you may get nothing like what you expected when you specified a 'good quality' drill.
[10:01:40] <XXCoder> interesting
[10:01:56] <XXCoder> man I hate sites that have design of visited links as same color as unvisited.
[10:03:10] <SpeedEvil> A repeated theme is US companies requiring contracts drawn up with ajudication in the USA. Which chinese courts will never, ever enforce. Whereas a proper chinese contract, according to chinese law, written in chinese has a good chance.
[10:11:23] <XXCoder> interestng
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[11:28:58] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: man
[11:29:09] <XXCoder> been reading so many stuff on that page
[11:29:32] <XXCoder> its required reading for one thinking about forming a company or something that plan to use China as source
[11:29:45] <XXCoder> I didnt plan to, but good read reardless.
[11:40:35] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: It's not so relevant if you're just ordering random stuff from china from aliexpress or ...
[11:40:44] <XXCoder> I know
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[11:46:20] <trentster> XXCoder: ha ha check this out - just finished making this out of reclaimed oak - just noticed this!
https://monosnap.com/file/i0VQTDEUcorBTfIqrPOGVC4WOQeERF
[11:46:42] <XXCoder> lol
[11:46:58] <XXCoder> cnc cut nail or was it healed over or something?
[11:46:59] <trentster> carbide bits must have gone over it like butter - I checked them no damage to any cutting edge
[11:47:29] <trentster> nah it was cut by both end mill and 1/8 ball nose seperately during the operations
[11:48:07] <XXCoder> leave it, it'll be great story lol
[11:48:11] <XXCoder> unless its for some client
[11:48:15] <trentster> yeah it adds character
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[11:48:38] <trentster> nah I was playing with making 3d models and then engraving along the models surface
[11:48:40] <XXCoder> trentster: funny till I saw floor, I was thinking table size.
[11:48:51] <XXCoder> it must be a foot wide or something?
[11:49:17] <trentster> I work in metric its about 350mm diameter
[11:49:36] <XXCoder> so its around 14 inches
[11:49:38] <XXCoder> rough;ly
[11:49:50] <trentster> yup
[11:50:03] <XXCoder> I follow 300mm = foot approxation
[11:50:06] <XXCoder> works pretty well.
[11:50:25] <trentster> yeah - I always get confused with non metric stuff
[11:53:57] <trentster> heh I actually caught the nail being cut on video, I just checked
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[11:56:10] <XXCoder> nice
[11:56:11] <XXCoder> sparky?
[11:56:24] <trentster> nah - just sound changed
[11:56:43] <XXCoder> interesting
[11:56:52] <trentster> I am uploading clip to youtube now - was filming with my phone so a bit dodgy
[11:57:12] <AmsterdamJoe> Hi. I want to design and visualize a bench with my computer, then, potentially using CNC to cut the wood build it. ofc, i use exclusivly foss so im wondering what 'tool-chains' or 'product-pathways' should i be examine?
[11:57:50] <trentster> AmsterdamJoe: a bench as in a work bench?
[11:57:54] <XXCoder> trentster: tell me time before it shows so I dont need to watch entire handheld video
[11:58:10] <trentster> ya
[11:58:13] <XXCoder> handheld videos are my kryrimite basically
[11:58:16] <AmsterdamJoe> its an *expirementall* desk
[11:58:58] <trentster> AmsterdamJoe: you got a big footprint cnc, and what you want to make it out of plywood?
[11:59:33] <AmsterdamJoe> i want to make it from red wood and use copper for finishing
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[12:01:45] <AmsterdamJoe> can i use foss toolchain to make expirmental desk bench from copper and red wood?
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[12:02:31] <archivist> a qualified maybe
[12:03:43] <archivist> a 3d cad freecad, there are others
[12:04:44] <archivist> what is the most important, visualisation or?
[12:05:10] <AmsterdamJoe> i can kind of imagine it, but visualization helps
[12:06:11] <archivist> having realistic expectations helps too
[12:06:27] <AmsterdamJoe> how so?
[12:07:03] <archivist> various packages/programs have different abilities
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[12:07:20] <AmsterdamJoe> thats why i asked about product-pathways
[12:07:31] <archivist> dont expect one tool to do everything
[12:07:42] <AmsterdamJoe> Let's say i want to go from idea, to sketch, to visualization to CNC
[12:08:14] <archivist> visualization to CAM to CNC
[12:08:25] <AmsterdamJoe> 0_0
[12:08:51] <trentster> AmsterdamJoe: did you look at the video I linked?
[12:09:43] <archivist> not all cad deals with 3d(assemblies) as well as you may want
[12:09:56] <trentster> it basically covers everything you mentioned idea, to sketch, modeling, CAM and fabrication
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[12:14:35] <AmsterdamJoe> i dont see a link
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[12:17:46] <XXCoder> I saw something about using program to try fit as many parts into single sheet
[12:17:57] <XXCoder> so can get more parts by cnc
[12:18:46] <XXCoder> cant find it though
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[13:12:18] <jthornton-> a nesting program
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[14:35:23] <maxcnc> Hi
[14:35:43] <maxcnc> XXCoder: sheetcam can do this also
[14:36:23] <maxcnc> Ice here on side roads
[14:36:29] <maxcnc> but nothing like NY
[14:36:51] <maxcnc> some people may be hard effected today
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[15:43:18] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: it's article written to keep lawyers busy. You have already lost by following that advice.
[15:44:43] <CaptHindsight> the incentive has to be higher profits for the Chinese manufacturer based on QC, your QC not theirs
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[15:51:13] <gregcnc> 7i77 has the X axis moving. The encoders on my ebay servos aren't 5,000 count, but 5000 lines! theoretical 0.125 micron resolution! Fortunately, I'll run out of voltage before 7i77 runs out of bandwidth for rapids 4m/min for this tiny lathe.
[15:52:26] <pcw_home> 5000 lines is pretty high ( about as high as non-interpolated encoders normally go )
[15:54:15] <gregcnc> old renco i couldn't find specs for, heidenhain didn't even have any info
[15:55:16] <gregcnc> can 0-10V/dir for spindle be set up in pncconf?
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[15:58:14] <pcw_home> not sure if pnnconf can do that (its easy in hal as the absolute component has a direction bit output )
[15:59:44] <gregcnc> uh oh, being that old, this encoder might have low bandwidth, 300k? rapids would need 600kHz. Does it just lose count when the limit is reached?
[15:59:47] <gregcnc> I did see the hal method for absolute spindle
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[16:26:41] <pcw_home> Yeah higher resolution encoders are often limited to 200-300 KHZ (so 800 --> 1200 Kcounts/sec)
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[17:08:34] <archivist> the internet is a bit quiet on getting inside your own probe and cleaning the contacts
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[17:15:12] <maxcnc> hi
[17:16:07] <maxcnc> pcw_home: a stupid question is there a issue on powering a system up First 7i76 then 5i25 time within betwheen
[17:16:44] <maxcnc> as i understad if 5i25 powerd up first 7i76 not found
[17:17:31] <maxcnc> gregcnc:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples/spindle.html
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[17:18:49] <aventtini6> hello guys
[17:19:09] <aventtini6> any one knows a ajax premier lathe?
[17:19:14] <pcw_home> They can be powered up in any order but 7I76 field/5V power must be there when LinuxCNC is started
[17:19:28] <maxcnc> ok
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[17:22:18] <maxcnc> aventtini6: the new 260 or the older ones
[17:22:44] <maxcnc> fagor 800 inside
[17:28:43] <aventtini6> fagor 800
[17:28:49] <aventtini6> battery went dead
[17:28:53] <aventtini6> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux5PWhELD0Q
[17:28:54] <PetefromTn_> jeez the cold sucks ;)
[17:29:02] <aventtini6> :))
[17:29:15] <aventtini6> it was the original battery
[17:29:19] <aventtini6> from 96
[17:29:23] <aventtini6> so it was good
[17:33:38] <maxcnc> did you lost all the parametics
[17:33:54] <aventtini6> i dont know
[17:34:02] <aventtini6> it has some parameters
[17:34:13] <aventtini6> but not know if there are the original
[17:34:32] <aventtini6> maybe default
[17:34:46] <maxcnc> i think fagor 800 got a dead ram security flag not like MAHo deckel
[17:35:14] <maxcnc> there you got in trouble with near 1000 parametics
[17:35:27] <maxcnc> took me about 2hr to man prog
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[17:36:10] <PetefromTn_> warming up the shop, warming up the CNC, warming up the PetefromTn ;)
[17:36:31] <aventtini6> i can use dnc i think
[17:37:02] <aventtini6> the guys from ajax told me to send the plc to them and uplode them
[17:37:05] <maxcnc> PetefromTn_: weather is realy nasty in the US east
[17:38:05] <PetefromTn_> sure is....we just got like four or five inches of snow and it is just barely flurrying right now. But it is still a little cold here
[17:38:31] <maxcnc> aventtini6: the fagor got te standard scasii out you can go for linuxcnc
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[17:39:03] <maxcnc> Pete we warm up here from the last cold days
[17:39:03] <aventtini6> yes its a simple retrofit
[17:39:31] <aventtini6> but i want to use the keybord
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[17:39:54] <aventtini6> i just need some one whit similar machine
[17:40:02] <maxcnc> keyboard is trelated to 24V switches inside
[17:40:16] <maxcnc> i think there is also a relay board
[17:41:26] <zeeshan|2> aventtini6: do you have manual for grundig ste-02 ?
[17:42:18] <PetefromTn_> yup still sux tho...
[17:42:22] <Jymmm> even accommodates wheelchairs
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2842486/World-s-longest-rollercoaster-zip-line-twists-turns-mile-Australian-forest-thrill-seekers-suspended-60-FEET-ground.html
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[17:42:47] <aventtini6> zee only the bosch drives
[17:43:05] <aventtini6> you dont need the grunding
[17:43:10] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Better get used to it ;)
[17:43:11] <aventtini6> its simple
[17:43:15] <maxcnc> zeeshan|2: do you got a FP5
[17:43:42] <aventtini6> look on my thred traub gloria and there are the bosch drive setup
[17:43:57] <aventtini6> also cncbasher know how to set it up
[17:44:16] <aventtini6> i will get my mesa next week and start on my large mikron
[17:44:39] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm Bullshit man not for long... and don't even jinx me like that we are still waiting to hear back on our last counter offer volley LOL
[17:45:05] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Did you get boxes at least?
[17:45:23] <PetefromTn_> no not yet but I got lotsa boxes in the attic
[17:45:44] <aventtini6> exe box?
[17:46:18] <maxcnc> is FedEx the main post box service in the USA acordiung to DHL
[17:47:03] <maxcnc> im off its weekend
[17:47:13] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: This is you isn't it?
http://fox17.com/news/local/photos-winter-storms-dump-snow-throughout-tennessee
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[17:47:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah pretty much..
[17:47:46] <PetefromTn_> hang on for a pic.
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[17:48:58] <aventtini6> BOBO are you on?
[17:49:09] <aventtini6> i have fix the maho mh500
[17:51:13] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Whats taking you so long? I know you dont have the photo packed up somewhere ;)
[17:52:12] <PetefromTn_> damn cellphone
[17:52:25] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Are you putting on your dino suit and taking a new pic?
[17:52:49] <PetefromTn_> dino suit?
[17:52:56] <Jymmm> Oh yeah, blame the phone, and the poor innocent toaster too.
[17:53:37] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Yes, dino. That was a video of a guy wearing a dino suit in TN shoveling snow.
[17:54:09] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/UfH1b1Q.jpg
[17:54:20] <PetefromTn_> there ya impatient bastard ;)
[17:54:38] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/qx0xGzg.jpg the driveway
[17:54:42] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: WTH?! I dont want to see snow, I want to see YOU in a dino suit shoveling snow!!!
[17:54:56] <PetefromTn_> can't help ya man....not sure anyone can!
[17:55:22] <Jymmm> lol, did you not see the video?
[17:55:43] <PetefromTn_> no been busy keeping warm
[17:56:07] <PetefromTn_> got a big stick of 1/2 x6 inch steel plate I gotta turn into more exhaust manifolds here
[17:56:26] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: This is you isn't it?
http://fox17.com/news/local/photos-winter-storms-dump-snow-throughout-tennessee
[17:56:37] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: scroll to the bottom for video
[17:57:17] <PetefromTn_> GOD am I sick of having to watch a freaking BS commercial any time I click a freaking video
[17:57:44] <Jymmm> Install an ad blocker. I haven't seen an ad in years.
[17:58:01] <PetefromTn_> that's disturbing
[17:58:17] <PetefromTn_> probably the only warm suit that idiot had to wear maybe
[17:59:01] <PetefromTn_> man I sure am a negative bastard this morning....maybe its the cold ;)
[18:00:06] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: It's just PMS.... PetefromTnForeverandEver Mean Streak
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[18:01:23] <PetefromTn_> heh probably with my luck...
[18:01:40] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Just sit near the fire with special coffee, you'll warm up
[18:01:54] <PetefromTn_> spoke to my friend in Florida yesterday he was complaining it was 60 degrees LOL
[18:02:16] <PetefromTn_> my kerosene heater is warming up the shop and I don't drink Coffee
[18:03:02] <Jymmm> Fine, toss a straw into a bottle of JD and suck it!
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[18:03:35] <PetefromTn_> don't drink :D
[18:04:28] <Jymmm> Then be your friend so you too can bitch about 60F being too cold!
[18:05:06] <PetefromTn_> working on that.. hopefully with any luck we will be bitching about how hot it is in Florida in about two months ;)
[18:05:15] <Jymmm> lol
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[18:24:31] <Duc> morning
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[19:18:10] <Duc> PCW: have you ever run into someone having a issue with just one of the encoder ports on the 7i77 card? I switched my X from 0 to 03 encoder and I think the missing rawcounts was fixed.
[19:19:01] <pcw_home> No, never heard of a problem like that
[19:20:15] <Duc> odd for awhile there, the X-axis would drift without the raw counts changing but not its holding the position perfect when I switched it. Only moved the connector and changed the hal file to reflect the new spot.
[19:21:55] <Duc> now holding I mean
[19:22:47] <Duc> I will do a few more test to make sure it is fixed
[19:23:32] <pcw_home> are the settings the same for all encoders? (filter bit) because drifting in closed loop usually means noise
[19:24:55] <Duc> yea
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[19:26:57] <Duc> all of them are set for 1
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[19:49:12] <bobo__> aventtini6: your Maho is running again , that is good. what was the failure you fixed?
[19:50:10] <pcw_home> Duc: I would also check the 7I77 encoder jumpering and input levels ( if differential, measure across A and /A, B and /B in both states )
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[19:56:07] <Duc_mobile> pcw_home: jumpers are the same, across A and /A is 2.7v but b and /B is low at 1v
[19:56:49] <pcw_home> thats suspicious
[19:56:51] <aventtini6> bobo
[19:57:05] <Duc_mobile> not really sure how to even adjust that coming out of the yaskawa drives
[19:57:06] <bobo__> yes
[19:57:31] <aventtini6> errors on the MAHO X01 X01 or Y01 Y01 Y01 i35
[19:57:44] <aventtini6> refer to liniar scales
[19:57:50] <pcw_home> make sure its not dithering when you measure (turn the servo drive off)
[19:58:19] <aventtini6> machine cant work if temp is mim 10
[19:58:42] <Duc_mobile> pcw_home: ok now it reads 2.7 on all of them
[19:58:43] <aventtini6> and scales must be clean with alchol
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[19:59:20] <aventtini6> so machine is running perfect now
[19:59:33] <aventtini6> exept i have change all the capacitors
[20:00:01] <aventtini6> and i have found in a 85 machine minim of 6 capacitors dead
[20:00:13] <bobo__> aventtini6 yes X - Y - Z - B prefix 01 refer to each scale
[20:00:21] <aventtini6> yes
[20:00:21] <Duc_mobile> pcw_home: according to the yaskawa software the drive is now holding rotation and I verified with the old mechanical scales on the mill. Before the yaskawa software and the mechanical scales would change but not linuxcnc.
[20:00:44] <Duc_mobile> before I switched the encoder channel used
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[20:01:29] <aventtini6> liniar scales must be perfect . Because of the flood vapors it make a thin lair on them
[20:01:57] <aventtini6> and they give some intermintent errors
[20:02:50] <bobo__> aventtini6 have you read the Deckel and the Maho section at pratical mach web site lately
[20:03:02] <Duc_mobile> pcw_home: For now I will just leave that encoder channel empty since I dont need 6 axis. At most I will have 5 anyways
[20:03:03] <aventtini6> no
[20:03:31] <aventtini6> liniar scale are philips
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[20:03:45] <pcw_home> Its possible the one channel is bad but seems unlikely, My guess is that something else changed at teh same time
[20:04:20] <aventtini6> i need some parameters for a ajax premier lathe fagor 800
[20:04:30] <bobo__> interesting read on cleaning scales and replacing their seals
[20:04:34] <aventtini6> if some one know a guy
[20:04:47] <aventtini6> maho dont have any seals
[20:04:58] <aventtini6> this is made by flood vapors
[20:05:14] <Duc_mobile> pcw_home: Maybe but Im not to worried. Still leaps and bounds better than my stepper setup. Hate to mess with a new board now that its working LOL
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[20:05:27] <pcw_home> (Channel 0 uses all the same signals as channel 1 so you would expect errors on channel 1 also unless ist was just a input chip problem but those tend to be all or nothing)
[20:05:33] <aventtini6> because i cant see the on a osciloscope
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[20:05:55] <bobo__> Oh you have philips scales. i just saw
[20:06:16] <aventtini6> retested the machine with 4 diffrent tech guys
[20:06:20] <aventtini6> no luck
[20:06:30] <aventtini6> i found the hard way
[20:06:51] <Duc_mobile> pcw_home: when I used to do chip level repair on flight simulator boards, once in awhile we would see half a chip fail but its very rare
[20:08:19] <pcw_home> They are also 26LS32As which have a 25V max input voltage and are pretty hard to kill
[20:08:58] <bobo__> aventtini6 wish I could help , but I am a nuebe with the Maho stuff
[20:09:59] <bobo__> and wish I had a CNC lathe
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[20:12:12] <aventtini6> i have tested and retroffited all off may machine
[20:12:39] <aventtini6> but i a little upset on linux not getting same feed rates
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[20:13:22] <bobo__> aventtini6: did you get my message ,a few days ago about those Maho error codes ?
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[20:13:30] <aventtini6> and also the spindle its a little low power
[20:13:54] <aventtini6> for example my mikron work perfect on 1 mm on a 16mm mill
[20:14:23] <aventtini6> and after linux im getting no more the 0.250mm
[20:14:30] <aventtini6> yes
[20:14:39] <bobo__> good
[20:14:48] <aventtini6> not that good
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[20:15:13] <aventtini6> i sens that i cant developt torque on the original servos
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[20:15:32] <aventtini6> or someting strange
[20:15:54] <bobo__> aventtini6 good you got the maho error code message
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[20:16:14] <aventtini6> 10x for it
[20:16:17] <aventtini6> you the man
[20:16:46] <bobo__> I am just a wimp
[20:18:05] <aventtini6> dont worry time will solve all
[20:18:15] <aventtini6> you want to retorfit your maho
[20:18:15] <aventtini6> ?
[20:19:02] <bobo__> yes , but need to build a garage first
[20:19:10] <aventtini6> thats bad
[20:19:11] <aventtini6> :D
[20:19:39] <aventtini6> what liniar scales HH?
[20:20:03] <bobo__> yes HH scales
[20:20:52] <aventtini6> so its simple
[20:21:01] <aventtini6> TNC150?
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[20:22:01] <bobo__> aventtini6: where could Maho information be posted ,so all can see and add to ?
[20:22:09] <aventtini6> and drive is indramat ?
[20:22:41] <aventtini6> i can help you if you have a electritian
[20:22:47] <bobo__> indramat drives yes
[20:22:48] <aventtini6> no problem
[20:23:03] <aventtini6> only i dont know how to make tool changer
[20:24:19] <aventtini6> did you get the mesa ?
[20:25:37] <bobo__> Tdm series of drives on the mh600e2 that has tool changer . the mh600e has the older SCR type indramat drives
[20:25:58] <aventtini6> yes they are simple
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[20:27:23] <aventtini6> did you get exe box
[20:27:23] <aventtini6> ?
[20:27:32] <aventtini6> or use the HH board
[20:27:33] <aventtini6> ?
[20:27:45] <bobo__> I have not started any change to linux yet , as i need a garage first
[20:28:29] <bobo__> will try to use the HH board
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[20:29:25] <anomynous> what is hh board?
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[20:31:57] <aventtini6> The original liniar scale board thats in the original PLC
[20:32:05] <aventtini6> i allways use it
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[20:32:16] <aventtini6> because i cant sell the old plc here
[20:32:38] <aventtini6> so i have a number of 8 HH plc in may storage
[20:32:40] <aventtini6> :))
[20:33:09] <bobo__> the control box has about 9 boards of which 1 is a HH scale converter Bd. , it only reads the scales and outputs to the control
[20:35:01] <aventtini6> if you send me pic we can solve it
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[20:37:57] <bobo__> as far as i know all 3 machines were working. i saw 2 of them running before buying. and the 3rd mach --was told it was working
[20:38:28] <aventtini6> you have 3 off them?
[20:40:24] <bobo__> But as of now nove of the (2 mh600e = 1mh600e2 ) have elect power. wateing for a garage
[20:41:04] <aventtini6> why did you get mahos ?
[20:41:15] <aventtini6> you are making molds?
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[20:48:34] <bobo__> avanttini they were cheap and was cheaper to get them than to not try to get parts if i only had one . 2 spare part machines . no i am just a burnt out old guy that can not stand TV or setting in a bar
[20:50:43] <aventtini6> im not really satised on the mikrons
[20:50:49] <aventtini6> and also maho
[20:51:07] <aventtini6> feed rate is low
[20:51:11] <aventtini6> precision is good
[20:51:26] <aventtini6> for me a a mold maker
[20:51:51] <aventtini6> i lost time with them
[20:52:04] <bobo__> I chose Maho instead of Deckel due to Maho not using needle bearings
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[20:54:09] <aventtini6> i have KRYLE VMC 700 from 97 and i did see the true power on feeds 30000mm/m
[20:54:21] <aventtini6> precision is not perfect
[20:54:32] <aventtini6> but save times
[20:54:55] <bobo__> aventtini6 these machines are old old old compared to the newer stuff available now.
[20:55:30] <aventtini6> also i getting some fllowing errors because of the belts
[20:56:04] <bobo__> My newest (mh600e2) is a 1990 machine
[20:56:06] <aventtini6> but because of the liniar scales i get the best precision whit the cost of time
[20:56:13] <aventtini6> i have 4 mikrons
[20:56:22] <aventtini6> from 85 to 94
[20:56:40] <aventtini6> max feed 4000mm/m
[20:57:09] <aventtini6> now i have payed 500 euro for 1 trust bearings on the kryle
[20:57:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUI-SEIKI-VERTICAL-CNC-MACHINING-CENTER/401048842728 $4k or best
[20:57:51] <aventtini6> the maho and mikrons dont bracke easy
[20:57:59] <bobo__> mikrons Mr zeeshan is looking for a horz over am support for his Mikron
[20:58:09] <aventtini6> i know i dont have
[20:58:55] <aventtini6> seiki is good but not from us
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[21:03:15] <aventtini6> bobo what motor you have on the Z axis
[21:03:25] <aventtini6> indramat MDC 9.20?
[21:05:31] <bobo__> don't remember , think MAC 071A ES
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[21:08:04] <aventtini6> i need a MDC motor for a huron
[21:08:24] <bobo__> know the Y (has brake on motor) is larger
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[21:09:33] <Erant> Well, that's interesting... I can push this 1/4" carbide rougher to 30IPM, 0.25" DOC, 0.04" WOC through 1018.
[21:10:10] <Erant> Which is more material removal than the 3/8" rougher I've been using for 6061. Obviously I'm doing something wrong there :)
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[21:18:53] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: If you have a contract which is a noop, then you are worse off than if you have a contract which can be enforced in local courts.
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[21:27:18] <PetefromTn_> Well Folks it's official they accepted our offer on our house so barring the home inspection and appraisal giving us any issues we will be Florida Bound in a few short months!! I am about to pass out over here LOL...
[21:28:21] <SpeedEvil> Congrats.
[21:28:39] <PetefromTn_> thanks man... I was beginning to think it was never gonna happen LOL
[21:30:56] <PetefromTn_> Now we have a boatload of work to do getting everything finished and packing and moving etc. etc. etc. Uggghhh
[21:33:46] <FloppyDisk5_25> congrats! Good luck moving!
[21:34:29] <PetefromTn_> thanks flop we are excited about it. I have moved quite a few times in my life and it never gets easier but at least we are moving where we want to be now.
[21:47:14] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Months? YOu have yo get your ass out in days!
[21:48:18] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Q8Tiz6INF7I#t=13
[21:51:40] <gregcnc> Erant, shorter tools have a positive effect on "machine stiffness"
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[21:52:47] <Erant> gregcnc: Yeah, that obviously makes sense (less of a 'lever')
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[21:53:25] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: congrads man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:53:32] <Erant> But I can't help but think that I'm doing something wrong with the 6061 rougher. I used a different process to get at these feeds, so I should go back and do that with the 3/8"
[21:53:46] <Erant> This is also a carbide tool vs the other one being HSCobalt.
[21:57:52] <gregcnc> PetefromTN_ is closing set yet? I talked someone who accepted an offer a day after listing and moved out in 3 days to close the deal, but they were basically ready to go. I hate to think of moving even the small machines I have..... in the basement.
[22:01:40] <Deejay> gn8
[22:02:12] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm I know right get my ass movin'
[22:02:25] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 Thanks man we are quite excited and nervous LOL
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[22:02:48] <zeeshan|2> hehe itll be so nice down there
[22:02:50] <PetefromTn_> gregcnc as part of our counteroffer agreement we set the closing date to march21
[22:03:12] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 hell yeah it will be man we really love it down there.
[22:03:31] <PetefromTn_> We went back there for vacation this past year and were hatin' having to drive back home LOL
[22:04:04] <PetefromTn_> I fished on the beach almost every day and we ate out at the seafood restaurants we loved when we lived there every night LOL It was Glorious!!
[22:04:13] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[22:04:18] <zeeshan|2> itll be the life man!
[22:04:26] <zeeshan|2> wear hawaii shirts
[22:05:12] <PetefromTn_> I lived in shorts and tees down there man. and some flops most of the time too.
[22:05:29] <PetefromTn_> hopefully I can hookup with another race shop or something nearby too
[22:16:13] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: oh and congrats
[22:17:04] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Now, get your ass off irc and get those damn boxes out of the attic. Actually empty the ENTIRE attic in the next 24Hours
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[22:21:26] <PetefromTn_> well I would but right now I have a BUNCH of steel plates to machine over the weekend.
[22:28:17] <PetefromTn_> I also have to machine a couple more RX7 rotors as well
[22:31:05] <Erant> PetefromTn_: We had a bitch of a time closing on our place, so we had to keep pushing the closing date out. I hope it doesn't happen to you, but it's possible.
[22:31:16] <Erant> Do they have a financing contingency?
[22:31:45] <PetefromTn_> apparently they are pre approved
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[22:32:00] <Erant> Yeah, so were we. Until our bank backed out.
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[22:32:25] <PetefromTn_> all I know is we have a signed sales agreement with the customer and it is sold until it isn't LOL
[22:32:52] <PetefromTn_> are you asking about our closing on a new house or the closing on our current house?
[22:33:00] <Erant> Current
[22:33:28] <Erant> It all worked out in the end, we just got our keys a month after we thought we would.
[22:34:24] <PetefromTn_> well supposedly the realtors we used do not show homes to people until they are pre approved by a bank or credit union or something so that should not be an issue. As I said the only thing that can sour it is if the home inspection pops up something we cannot agree to fix ( not likely) or if there is a problem with the appraisal..
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[22:58:37] <JT-Shop> making progress Pete
[22:58:44] <PetefromTn_> just posted on that uship site. hopefully I get some reasonable rates....
[22:59:10] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop what are you up to now LOL
[23:01:19] <JT-Shop> trying to organize my shop some and I'm getting a 1500 sq ft building put in for my equipment and stuff
[23:01:40] <JT-Shop> I meant you are making progress on your house
[23:01:51] <PetefromTn_> jeez that is a nice sized building man...
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[23:02:12] <PetefromTn_> I will honestly be lucky to find a house that will be able to take these machines and have room like I have here.
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[23:02:37] <JT-Shop> yea it will be wood frame metal skin, slightly insulated
[23:02:57] <JT-Shop> that will give me 3500 sq ft total
[23:03:09] <PetefromTn_> nice.. that is a big shop to me anyway
[23:04:12] <JT-Shop> the garage is a little over 1000 and is attached to the shop which is a tad under 1000 the equipment building will be about 30' away from the shop
[23:06:26] <PetefromTn_> nice
[23:06:39] <JT-Shop> and this kills me but it will not be lined up with the rest of the buildings and the sun and moon lol
[23:07:01] <PetefromTn_> wish me luck finding a decent house with a shop sized garage down in Port St. Lucie for a reasonable price LOL
[23:07:17] <JT-Shop> pick any two
[23:07:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah exactly right
[23:08:03] <PetefromTn_> I am hoping to find a foreclosure or something like that...
[23:08:51] <JT-Shop> hows the job market down there?
[23:09:20] <PetefromTn_> meh probably no better than here.
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[23:14:04] <PetefromTn_> my wife has worked for the Hospital system down there when we used to live there and they have expressed interest in having her back
[23:14:21] <JT-Shop> that's a good thing
[23:15:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah and she has more certs now than she did then. I can work for myself as I have been and if I can find something locally that works with my schedule all the better...
[23:16:29] <rob_h> evning ppl
[23:16:31] <JT-Shop> sounds like your almost set
[23:16:37] <JT-Shop> hi rob_h
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[23:16:55] <rob_h> hows it your side of world? all we see on news right now is your snow :0
[23:17:32] <JT-Shop> lol, got 1" of it and it will be gone tomorrow, my sister north of Atlanta got 1/4"
[23:17:41] <JT-Shop> what about you Pete?
[23:18:07] <JT-Shop> I found the top of my work table today!
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[23:18:29] <rob_h> aah not too bad then
[23:18:56] <JT-Shop> bad in some areas to the south of me I think
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[23:19:16] <Valduare> hi guys
[23:19:44] <rob_h> we just have rain here as normal
[23:20:21] <JT-Shop> well you must be use to it by now lol
[23:20:22] <rob_h> i'v just about got the HMC running now we got before christmas its running jobs now at least
[23:20:55] <JT-Shop> nice!
[23:21:05] <rob_h> only had to fix the normal 2nd machine problems relay which is lucky i guess , like leaking pipes. and sticky valves etc
[23:21:09] <PetefromTn_> we got several inches over here today and yesterday
[23:21:22] <Valduare> got a question for you guys, what are the differences between using an arduino vs raspberry pi to run a little cnc mill
[23:21:47] <humble_sea_bass> an arduino is a slow little chip
[23:21:55] <JT-Shop> both sound like machine kit not LinuxCNC
[23:21:58] <humble_sea_bass> its basically architecture
[23:22:18] <Valduare> was looking at the mantis 9 cnc machine
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[23:24:36] <humble_sea_bass> how do you plan on driving it
[23:25:25] <Valduare> from what im seeing, there are arduino and ramp boards
[23:25:31] <Valduare> i dont know much about this stuff yet
[23:26:26] <humble_sea_bass> well I imagine that the arduino is just serving as the motor controller
[23:27:03] <humble_sea_bass> you're still gonna need a computer, which would mean LinuxCNC as your best cheap option
[23:27:34] <Valduare> from what I understand, there is arduino, ramps board, stepper controllers, steppers and then your in business
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[23:29:49] <JT-Shop> Valduare:
http://twilightrobotics.com/cnc/cncnot1
[23:30:10] <Valduare> hmm broken images
[23:30:11] <humble_sea_bass> ah no shit
http://sourceforge.net/projects/easycnc/
[23:30:25] <humble_sea_bass> someone made an app that talks to that setup
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[23:33:07] <humble_sea_bass> unless you own all the materials already, this approach seems suboptimal
[23:36:03] <_methods> i don't think the pictures are the important part of the story lol
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[23:36:40] <XXCoder> I hate special effect where it goes blur out
[23:36:48] <XXCoder> then focus in
[23:36:54] <XXCoder> expecially when it dont seem to change place
[23:37:45] <Valduare> i’ve read that guys blog on how “not”
[23:38:07] <XXCoder> is it about video effects?
[23:39:53] <Valduare> was responding to JT-Shop :P
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[23:46:10] <jfindley> .
[23:47:01] <XXCoder> lol ok
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[23:47:20] <XXCoder> I'd be interested in special effects how to not do
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[23:50:39] <archivist> do not skimp on the software!
[23:50:49] <archivist> use linuxcnc :)
[23:51:08] <XXCoder> yeah zero cost is expensive but worth it!
[23:51:14] <jfindley> Nice. I think I could print a suitable mount for my micro mill to hold a laser. Sticker making would be awesome!
[23:53:45] <JT-Shop> not broken for me
[23:54:23] <JT-Shop> I don't see any images in that blof
[23:54:24] <JT-Shop> g
[23:57:30] <jfindley> I can drive small steppers directly from the 7i76, right?
[23:58:32] <archivist> via drivers
[23:58:59] <norias> so...
[23:59:09] <norias> i got a bunch of small diesel engines
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[23:59:27] <norias> and i'm trying to think of projects for them
[23:59:50] <jfindley> norias: Submarine?
