#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-01-22

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[00:01:07] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks!
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[00:01:58] <FloppyDisk5_25> hmmm, I inserted the gearing of gearchange between spindle-speed-out and gs2, but do I need to insert direction? that's where I'm confused... sorry:-(
[00:02:39] <FloppyDisk5_25> ie; gearchange.0.dir-out somehow connected to gs2 comp? yes/no??
[00:04:18] <FloppyDisk5_25> Hey pete - will you soon be PetefromFL? :-)
[00:05:02] <PetefromTn_> hey floppy
[00:05:07] <PetefromTn_> well....
[00:05:08] <andypugh> If you have reverse set to true then one direction will be negative.
[00:05:12] <PetefromTn_> honestly...
[00:05:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah!
[00:05:37] <andypugh> It depends on how you set the spindle direction whether that will work for you.
[00:05:40] <PetefromTn_> we received a counter offer today
[00:05:50] <PetefromTn_> and while we are still negotiating
[00:06:03] <PetefromTn_> we are actually good with the current offer
[00:06:33] <PetefromTn_> so barring some unforseen issue we will probably be selling our house here very soon
[00:06:48] <PetefromTn_> we have like two months to finish some things in the house they want finished
[00:07:01] <PetefromTn_> and to move my beasts down to Florida somewhere LOL
[00:07:23] <FloppyDisk5_25> andypugh - ok - I'll look at that. I get confused by the spindle-forward, spindle-reverse, and spindle-rev(s).
[00:08:51] <FloppyDisk5_25> I tried to look up in the docs all the spindle pins, but seems the docs don't match up exactly.
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[00:09:21] <andypugh> How do you mean?
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[00:17:19] <FloppyDisk5_25> andypugh http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/gs2.1.html spindle-rev (bit, in) for gs2. I 'think' that's reverse, not revolutions?
[00:17:49] <andypugh> In that case, yes.
[00:18:16] <andypugh> not to be condused with motion.spindle-revs, which is revolutions (and not revolutions pers second)
[00:18:32] <FloppyDisk5_25> the motmod docs do have a motion.spindle-reverse, -forward, -rev. YES - You are correct..
[00:19:01] <FloppyDisk5_25> And, since it's not working just right, I'm guessing...
[00:19:42] <FloppyDisk5_25> I still think it should be working, that's what is frustrating...
[00:20:05] <andypugh> twiddle the pins by hand (well, from halcmd prompt) and see what happens
[00:20:46] <FloppyDisk5_25> That's why I setup the toggle buttons w/ pyvcp for gearchange.0.sel and gearchange.0.dir-in
[00:21:08] <FloppyDisk5_25> halcmd prompt would've been easier.
[00:21:44] <andypugh> You should be able to set the speeds and play with the pins to see what the effects are
[00:22:01] <FloppyDisk5_25> One question
[00:22:20] <andypugh> I need to decide how I am going to run the spindle on my lathe. I sort of fancy using Modbus, but analogue voltage is likely to be much easier.
[00:22:58] <andypugh> Especially as the VFD manual mentions Modbus, but then gives absolutely no further details.
[00:23:22] <FloppyDisk5_25> modbus is nice, there was a linuxcnc forum post where pcw told the person to run analog to be able to rigidtap, but it seems jt doesn't have any issues.
[00:23:39] <FloppyDisk5_25> My guess is you were probably in the discussion, too:-)
[00:23:58] <andypugh> Probably. I tend to forget what I have said.
[00:24:00] <FloppyDisk5_25> I thought about converting to 0-10vdc to run the vfd, but resisting that...
[00:24:05] <FloppyDisk5_25> Me too.
[00:24:13] <andypugh> And it’s time for me to log off now.
[00:24:21] <FloppyDisk5_25> good night. and thank you
[00:24:52] <andypugh> I have lots of spare analogue channels on the 7i49. It seems a waste not to use them....
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[00:25:00] <bobo__> andypugh I though zeeshan set his mill spindle VFD up with modbus ?
[00:26:05] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: you can kill minor scratches with a blowtorch.
[00:26:19] <PCW> I think the issue with modbus is that when the reversal comes is somewhat indeterminate because of the userland driver + VFD lags
[00:26:35] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: run a blowtorch on high over the glasses at ~1cm distance, and ~50cm/s or more speed.
[00:27:02] <PCW> I think Zeeshan had 50 or 100 ms uncertainties IICRC
[00:27:46] <bobo__> but remove glasses from head first ?
[00:32:08] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, it's on the way
[00:35:35] <SpeedEvil> (this melts, and liquifies theplastic. But because the melted layer isso thin, it refreezes well within a tenth of a second
[00:35:59] <SpeedEvil> So does not, as it normally would go yellow or bubble or ...
[00:36:23] <zeeshan-mill> pcw
[00:36:24] <zeeshan-mill> more
[00:36:29] <zeeshan-mill> like 400ms
[00:36:35] <zeeshan-mill> i went to analog
[00:36:42] <PCW> yow
[00:36:50] <zeeshan-mill> i still use modbus to read info
[00:37:26] <PCW> wonder where the timing uncertainly come from
[00:37:34] <zeeshan-mill> linuxcnc
[00:37:37] <zeeshan-mill> :P
[00:37:52] <zeeshan-mill> or pc
[00:38:16] <zeeshan-mill> my module never ran in the servo loop
[00:38:19] <zeeshan-mill> it was a userspace module
[00:38:32] <zeeshan-mill> servo thread i mean
[00:39:00] <PCW> been thinking of making a real time modbus interface using a HM2 UART
[00:39:25] <PCW> that would remove the host uncertainties
[00:39:40] <zeeshan-mill> thatd be nice
[00:39:46] <zeeshan-mill> modbus makes wiring so simple
[00:39:48] <PCW> (basically all polled at the servo thread rate)
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[00:43:57] <PCW> also allows you to use the 7I77 sserial expansion as the modbus RS-485 port
[00:45:23] <__rob> On CCMT replacement bits, what is the 06 or 09 etc.. ?
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[00:47:14] <__rob> http://www.axminster.co.uk/glanze-replaceable-tip-turning-tool-sets-ax377994
[00:47:26] <__rob> trying to figure out exactly the replacement bits for these
[00:47:31] <__rob> think its CCMT 06
[00:47:36] <__rob> 8mm set
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[01:32:08] <Erant> For all the warts of the Sieg machines, LittleMachineShop.com's pretty good about their support. Say they'll send me a new slide if I measure the taper on the existing one.
[01:33:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mazak-SlantTurn-35-ATC-MC-Automatic-Tool-Changer-CNC-Lathe-1989/221976282943 $10.750 in working condition
[01:34:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mazak-SlantTurn-35-ATC-MC-Automatic-Tool-Changer-CNC-Lathe-1988/321983988044 $4300 for the one that needs a few seals
[01:38:30] <Erant> Wow, same seller and everything.
[01:39:47] <PetefromTn_> thats a big beast ;)
[01:40:30] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ have it drop shipped to Fl
[01:40:45] <PetefromTn_> heh don't say drop
[01:41:12] <CaptHindsight> they bought 3 new Mazaks
[01:41:40] <Tom_itx> must be showing a profit ehh
[01:42:20] <Tom_itx> wonder why they didn't trade em
[01:42:23] <PetefromTn_> man 3 new mazaks is gonna be a pretty penny
[01:42:41] <CaptHindsight> way over $100
[01:42:53] <PetefromTn_> way
[01:43:09] <Tom_itx> my bud got his vendors to front money for a couple of his with guaranteed work for them
[01:43:20] <Tom_itx> stuff like that happens
[01:43:27] <PetefromTn_> I am sure it does
[01:43:47] <PetefromTn_> I have bought some tooling like that in exchange for doing jobs
[01:44:34] <Tom_itx> catia is pretty cool
[01:45:58] <Tom_itx> the prof was modeling some pinewood derby cars in aluminum for a promotional thing for a company. we were talking about the start to finish process in catia.
[01:46:40] <Tom_itx> it allows using windows truetype fonts for modeling etc, he was putting their name/logo on the 'hood'
[01:47:33] <Tom_itx> oh btw PetefromTn_, this should make you happy... they use all HAAS cnc's
[01:48:21] <PetefromTn_> why would that make me happy?
[01:48:38] <Tom_itx> you seem to like em
[01:48:45] <PetefromTn_> I do like them
[01:48:52] <Erant> Tom_itx: Is Catia fully parametric?
[01:48:54] <PetefromTn_> but that does not mean I am a HAAS Fanboi
[01:49:23] <Tom_itx> Erant yes
[01:50:00] <Tom_itx> it's alot like solidworks but more powerful
[01:50:29] <Erant> I've been using CadQuery to do my CAD designs, which seems to be a total niche thing.
[01:51:48] <Tom_itx> they're running about 4 vers of catia there
[01:52:02] <toastyde1th> catia and creo are in a totally different class than solidworks
[01:52:20] <Tom_itx> i know
[01:52:25] <toastyde1th> such feature, many paramterics
[01:53:07] <Erant> Do either of those allow for more of a scripting interface rather than the graphical click-n-drag type stuff?
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[01:53:25] <Tom_itx> you can use formulas with catia
[01:53:30] <PetefromTn_> I am sure that is true but it is hard for me to imagine needing anything more than Solidworks
[01:53:32] <Tom_itx> i don't know about table driven
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[01:54:00] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ probably not but catia handles large assemblies alot better
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[01:54:52] <PetefromTn_> as I said I am sure that is true but I have seen some rather elaborate assembly drawings in solidworks. Amazing what is possible now
[01:55:06] <Erant> I particularly enjoy being able to go cq.Workplane("XY").box(length, width, height).edges("|Z").fillet(radius).rect(off_x, off_y, forConstruction=True).hole(hole_size)
[01:55:32] <Erant> Which makes a box with filleted edges in the Z normal with four through-holes at some XY offset.
[01:55:51] <Erant> Eh. Sort of anyway, I'm missing a statement or two.
[01:56:07] <Erant> But I get that might not be everyone's cup of tea.
[01:56:10] <Tom_itx> that would drive me nuts
[01:56:15] <Tom_itx> :)
[01:56:33] <Erant> It's the ultimate in parametrics though.
[01:56:33] <Tom_itx> that free thing the reprappers use is like that
[01:56:54] <Erant> OpenSCAD? OpenSCAD's... not great.
[01:56:58] <Tom_itx> yeah
[01:57:14] <Jymmm> toastyde1th: How would YOU know what the reprappers use? huh? huh? huh?
[01:57:19] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ^^^
[01:57:28] <Erant> I've used it, it doesn't output IGES for one, but STL. Which doesn't preserve arcs and whatnot.
[01:57:46] <Erant> CadQuery's just python.
[01:58:00] <Tom_itx> Jymmm because I chat with a few in other channels and i've looked at OpenSCAD
[01:58:21] <Erant> Yeah, don't do OpenSCAD. Hell, for the longest time it didn't even do loft.
[01:58:27] <Erant> (Which, it might still not)
[01:58:43] <Tom_itx> i'd do it in SW and spit the file out to the slicer program
[01:58:54] <Tom_itx> SW will print 3d now anyway
[01:58:55] <toastyde1th> Jymmm, i just assume everyone uses sketchup or something
[01:59:09] <toastyde1th> although if someone is reprapping with catia or creo i'm impressed
[01:59:14] <toastyde1th> that's like +2 street cred
[01:59:26] <Jymmm> toastyde1th: Sorry, nick completion typo on my part. that was intended for Tom_itx.
[01:59:36] <Erant> Hah. I used 123D Design to design my wifes wedding ring.
[01:59:36] <toastyde1th> oh
[01:59:38] <toastyde1th> ha
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[02:00:51] <Erant> Fusion360's not bad. Free for hobbyists, so I don't see why people wouldn't use that instead.
[02:01:01] <Erant> It's what I use for CAM
[02:01:52] <Tom_itx> problem is, i'll get addicted to catia then i'll want it
[02:02:06] <Erant> How much is it? Like $5k a seat a year or something?
[02:02:21] <Tom_itx> full blown is like 20x that
[02:02:38] <Tom_itx> just a guess though
[02:06:19] <PetefromTn_> man I am NOT looking forward to prepping this VMC for a move...
[02:06:29] <Duc> where to now?
[02:06:41] <PetefromTn_> ?
[02:07:10] <Jymmm> You're not done yet? WTF!
[02:07:27] <PetefromTn_> I have not even started man
[02:07:43] <PetefromTn_> don't plan on even touching it until we have a signed agreement
[02:07:55] <PetefromTn_> I have parts to make this weekend on it too.
[02:08:15] <Duc> you buy a new machine? guess I should have been on more LOL
[02:08:31] <PetefromTn_> no I did not buy a new machine
[02:08:38] <PetefromTn_> I am pretty happy with the Cincinatti
[02:08:47] <PetefromTn_> but I may have sold my home
[02:09:00] <PetefromTn_> and IF it sells we will be moving to South Florida
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[02:09:18] <PetefromTn_> actually Central east coast florida to be precise
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[02:10:42] <Duc> that will suck to move the garage
[02:10:50] <Duc> Ill take the lathe for a small fee
[02:10:56] <PetefromTn_> heh
[02:11:28] <PetefromTn_> I told my wife today that maybe we should sell the machines instead of moving them and just buy some more when we get down there...
[02:11:36] <PetefromTn_> she was like NO WAY!! LOL
[02:12:40] <Duc> I had to promise the wife that I would use a forklift the next time we moved
[02:12:55] <PetefromTn_> I really want to do it that way
[02:13:09] <PetefromTn_> honestly I would like to just pay the man and have a pro move it
[02:13:10] <Duc> so I made the company hire professional riggers to move the garage to AL
[02:13:16] <PetefromTn_> but I am sure that will be stupid expensive
[02:13:39] <Duc> 8grand to move my stuff from NC to AL. but they moved it with the companies stuff
[02:13:51] <PetefromTn_> HOLY
[02:14:31] <PetefromTn_> what did you move?
[02:15:32] <Duc> bridgeport boss5, surface grinder, leblond 15x30 servo shift, 5ft x 5ft plasma table, heat treat oven, 80 gallon air compressor and all my plates
[02:16:03] <Duc> and a snap on master series tool box 7ft by 30in
[02:16:18] <PetefromTn_> well actually that is a lot of stuff really
[02:16:28] <Duc> full semi almost
[02:17:09] <Duc> well flat bed
[02:18:18] <PetefromTn_> I would honestly only be moving the VMC I will probably stuff the CNC lathe on the uhaul myself it is not all that heavy really..
[02:18:34] <Duc> just let it go for a low charge LOL
[02:18:52] <Duc> forklift is about 500 to rent deliveried for the weekend
[02:19:00] <Duc> or rent a drop trailer
[02:19:52] <PetefromTn_> I honestly don't know how I am going to do it yet
[02:20:02] <Duc> https://www.sunbeltrentals.com/equipment/detail/1413/0240150/6ft-x-12ft-lift-bed-tandem-axle-trailer/
[02:20:03] <PetefromTn_> I would LIKE to do it myself but this is a big bitch
[02:20:16] <Duc> what size is the VMC
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[02:20:38] <PetefromTn_> it is about a 9x10foot cube and weighs about 7500 lbs
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[02:21:13] <Duc> dam close for the drop trailer
[02:21:33] <PetefromTn_> I honestly do not have a vehilce that can haul it
[02:21:46] <PetefromTn_> my Chevy Astro is pretty strong but not that strong LOL
[02:22:06] <Duc> yea that move is going to be pricey
[02:22:51] <Duc> looking at the cost of 2 people traveling for 2 days with hotel, food and milage
[02:25:08] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna have to figure something out that is for sure
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[02:29:56] <Duc> yea thats going to be fun
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[02:31:13] <PetefromTn_> meh I don't think it will be all that bad after all it happens every day all around the world.. its just taking it from one place and putting it in another LOL
[02:32:37] <Duc> hopefully the new house will have enough power at it
[02:33:12] <PetefromTn_> actually our current house does not have any fancy power just 200 amp service
[02:34:40] <Duc> new place has 3phase?
[02:34:51] <PetefromTn_> don't use 3 phase
[02:35:25] <PetefromTn_> my machine was retrofit to run entirely on single phase power and it is currently on a 60 amp breaker
[02:38:41] <Duc> Not bad
[02:39:37] <Duc> my cnc is pissing me off. freaking X-axis drifts but doesnt see any raw counts
[02:40:26] <PetefromTn_> the Boss5?
[02:41:41] <Duc> yea
[02:42:07] <Duc> I dont think the yaskawa drive is outputting the info need to swap the drive around to see if it follows
[02:44:01] <PetefromTn_> is this the original control?
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[02:44:50] <Duc> nah far from it. upgraded to servos
[02:45:01] <Duc> other Z and Y are stable
[02:51:47] <PetefromTn_> yaskawa are supposed to be pretty damn good drives
[02:52:16] <PetefromTn_> well it looks like schools are closed again tomorrow...
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[02:54:38] <Duc> yea normally they are but I will have to do testing to see if I got a bad one on ebay
[02:55:30] <PetefromTn_> one thing that sucks about this potential home sale
[02:55:43] <PetefromTn_> I was getting started working on my CNC lathe retrofit
[02:56:04] <PetefromTn_> and now it will probably be put off for awhile as we get moved and get settled in etc etc etc.
[02:56:48] <PetefromTn_> luckily my wife and I have been purging a lot of stuff we did not want the last few months so we are a bit lighter than we were LOL
[02:57:01] <Duc> project will probably be delayed by 2 years
[02:57:25] <Duc> yea I purged so much when I had to move from abq to nc
[02:57:28] <Duc> so much stuff
[02:57:50] <PetefromTn_> meh now way it will be 2 years but it will certainly be a couple months I am sure
[02:58:30] <Duc> always double the time
[02:58:33] <jdh> add a little to the mortgage and buy a working CNC lathe
[02:58:43] <Duc> Im with him
[02:59:09] <PetefromTn_> hopefully there will be no mortgage
[02:59:20] <jdh> cool
[03:00:33] <PetefromTn_> we own this house and assuming we sell for the price we are talking about and can buy a home down there for similar we will not need one..... but that may not happen. I am HOPING to find a house that needs a bit of work but is livable and decent for a great price.
[03:00:48] <Duc> moving for a job?
[03:01:15] <PetefromTn_> moving because we love Florida and are kinda over Tennessee. Been here 15 years now.
[03:02:36] <Duc> way to dam hot in florida for me
[03:02:52] <PetefromTn_> way too damn cold in Tennessee for me ;)
[03:03:10] <jdh> it was below freezing here this week
[03:03:36] <PetefromTn_> yesterday we never got out of the 20's and it snowed a good bit
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[03:04:00] <jdh> we average like 0.25"/year
[03:04:25] <Duc> LOL
[03:04:26] <PetefromTn_> having spent most of my life growing up in Florida I am NOT a guy who likes to be cold and the older I get the more I feel that way..
[03:04:59] <Duc> AL is alot warmer then ND
[03:05:01] <jdh> usually get 2" every few years. everyone panics, it's usually gone in one day
[03:05:20] <PetefromTn_> where is that?
[03:06:18] <jdh> NC. get on I-40 east. stop right before you hit the water.
[03:06:49] <Duc> Charlotte shutdown when it got 1/2in of snow
[03:07:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah we get like about a total week worth of snow every year here and it is usually gone in a day or two generally.
[03:07:40] <jdh> that is not my recollection. the last winter I was in knoxville, we got iced in for days.
[03:08:05] <PetefromTn_> but we do get pretty cold and it often stays that way for weeks during the winters. Couple that with a lot of cold rain and it gets pretty miserable.. we also get ice storms quite often.
[03:09:26] <Duc> retirement would be nice
[03:09:31] <PetefromTn_> I honestly never thought we were north enough to get that kind of weather but it is what it is. It's not Canada or Michigan lake effect snow or something but it is a lot more than I am happy with...
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[03:57:55] <pink_vampire> hi
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[04:05:08] <PetefromTn_> hi
[04:06:02] <pink_vampire> I'm also connected to teamspeak.. so we can talk with voice
[04:06:15] <PetefromTn_> sitting here wondering about buying a cheaper 250 or 350 diesel truck and moving the machine myself
[04:07:29] <pink_vampire> If I remember right you have a VMC,,
[04:07:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[04:07:48] <PetefromTn_> I was just out there measuring it
[04:08:04] <PetefromTn_> it is about 6'6" wide and about 7 feet deep
[04:08:07] <PetefromTn_> 7000lbs
[04:08:11] <pink_vampire> WOW..
[04:08:19] <PetefromTn_> so it is not all that big or heavy really
[04:08:25] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[04:08:35] <PetefromTn_> well compared to an 0704 it is ;)
[04:08:43] <pink_vampire> I wouldn't mess with it
[04:08:53] <PetefromTn_> I would
[04:09:00] <PetefromTn_> if I could save a bunch of money
[04:09:10] <PetefromTn_> if not then just pay the man
[04:09:36] <pink_vampire> do you want to talk with voice on teamspeak?
[04:09:46] <PetefromTn_> but I was just sitting here thinking about borrowing or renting a flat trailer and buying a cheaper diesel truck and doing it
[04:09:46] <anomynous> i have no idea what that is in mm
[04:09:47] <anomynous> :D
[04:09:54] <PetefromTn_> sure but I don't have it
[04:10:48] <pink_vampire> http://www.teamspeak.com/
[04:10:52] <PetefromTn_> I know we once did something like that in a google chat
[04:10:56] <PetefromTn_> or something like that
[04:11:08] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: you sell the house?
[04:11:14] <anomynous> mumble is also a nice voip software
[04:11:27] <pink_vampire> you just download it.. and we can make a linux cnc room and talk.
[04:11:32] <anomynous> well, actually the only one ive used
[04:11:33] <anomynous> ;D
[04:11:37] <anomynous> except skype maybe
[04:11:45] <tiwake> skype is the worst
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[04:11:49] <PetefromTn_> tiwake well we have received an offer that we are actually okay with but we made a counter offer
[04:11:56] <PetefromTn_> waiting to hear back now
[04:12:14] <PetefromTn_> but even if they decline the counter we have the option to accept the original offer.
[04:12:16] <tiwake> well
[04:12:23] <tiwake> more money is always nice
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[04:12:29] <PetefromTn_> exactly
[04:12:46] <tiwake> even though the government takes most of it
[04:12:58] <PetefromTn_> its BS isnt it
[04:13:28] <tiwake> you don't even own your own property, its rented from the government
[04:13:41] <anomynous> well, you enjoy goverment services, such as police, prisons, schools, etc
[04:13:52] <anomynous> isnt it fair to pay tax for that
[04:14:03] <tiwake> not schools
[04:14:03] <PetefromTn_> its kinda funny I was sitting here thinking about vehicles that could feasibly tow that thing
[04:14:17] <PetefromTn_> and then thinking about ones I would actually want to own
[04:14:25] <tiwake> was homeschooled, now that I'm much older glad that I was and skipped all that garbage
[04:14:39] <PetefromTn_> the only thing I could come up with was either a 4x4 diesel excursion or a 4x4 diesel van
[04:14:51] <anomynous> well, isnt it nice you have an option to take your kids to school?
[04:15:02] <tiwake> not if the option is garbage
[04:15:07] <anomynous> ah ok
[04:15:10] <tiwake> [which it is]
[04:15:56] <anomynous> well if you move to some third world country, you probably dont have to pay taxes for weird things. Just diy. And if someone wants to steal something, just be there and shoot them.
[04:16:32] <tiwake> heh, it might come to that
[04:16:53] <anomynous> if you cant shoot them, they might shoot back, and police doesnt care because they may be with them ;D
[04:17:30] <tiwake> need bigger guns in case of a tank rolling in on the back lawn
[04:17:54] <tiwake> which has happened :D
[04:17:59] <anomynous> yea, or more likely some local bandit lord will tax you to death or wreck your place
[04:18:19] <tiwake> its called the federal government
[04:18:28] <tiwake> and it already exists
[04:18:55] <anomynous> i didnt know usa was in civil war
[04:20:53] <tiwake> it happens every once in a while
[04:21:13] <anomynous> yes, i heard it was back in history
[04:22:07] <anomynous> niggers are no longer slaves, but south state peoples are still white trash and niggers ;D But I dont really know about that. It just may be fluff talk.
[04:22:29] <tiwake> try 1993, waco texas
[04:22:35] <anomynous> really
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[04:25:19] <pink_vampire> someone here use teamspeak? or want to talk with voice?
[04:25:29] <pink_vampire> I can't type a lot because of my carpal tunnel
[04:25:43] <anomynous> but everyone else is chatting here
[04:25:52] <anomynous> what is carpal tunnel?
[04:26:10] <pink_vampire> carpal tunnel syndrome
[04:26:14] <PetefromTn_> I just downloaded the program
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[04:26:19] <anomynous> what does it do
[04:26:25] <tiwake> or 1995, san diego califorina
[04:26:42] <anomynous> tiwake, kind of things i shrug as "only in usa"
[04:26:43] <anomynous> ;D
[04:26:48] <pink_vampire> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrome
[04:30:16] <tiwake> anomynous: there is another very prominent example of the federal government flaring its chest out against citizens, might be a bit more difficult to find...
[04:30:36] <tiwake> related to the BATFE
[04:31:43] <tiwake> short story is the guy did some gun work, and the BATFE came and shot his kids, wife, and dog, killing all of them
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[04:32:30] <tiwake> I think it too was in the 1990's
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[04:35:20] <tiwake> ah, here http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/weaver/weaveraccount.html
[04:35:38] <tiwake> Randy Weaver
[04:36:50] <anomynous> needs to go to works
[04:37:33] <anomynous> i just may get roughing jaws for my vices :U
[04:37:44] <anomynous> so cool :U
[04:38:10] <anomynous> vises*
[04:41:54] <anomynous> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=281890&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1433048355 something like that and then do serrations on it for first stage clamping.
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[05:46:44] <bobo__> PetesoontobeinFla sorry you cant use my 3/4 ton chev & trailer . why havenent you talked to ssi about moving stuff?
[05:47:41] <bobo__> he might have some usefull ideas
[06:00:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think a 3/4 ton truck would work actually
[06:04:35] <FloppyDisk5_25> Pete - you said you could move the lathe fairly easily, what kind is it? Just curious...
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[06:08:11] <PetefromTn_> sorry my lathe is a Standard Modern CNC
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[06:19:59] <FloppyDisk5_25> thanks - was just out looking at my spindle again:-( can't get it to reverse w/ gearchange...
[06:20:24] <FloppyDisk5_25> i need to quick mucking around w/ it and make some parts... unhappy customers.
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[09:11:07] <t4nk216> hii I want emc scaleio driver for openstack kilo version please someone help
[09:11:50] <archivist> emc the storage company?
[09:13:00] <thesaint> hi guys, i need a recommendation for a motherboard to run linuxcnc with a pci slot for a mesa card - what is a modern up to date option? cheers..
[09:13:35] <archivist> thesaint, look in the logs for whatever pcw recommends :)
[09:14:04] <thesaint> archivist, irc logs?
[09:14:09] <archivist> yes
[09:14:42] <thesaint> archivist, ok, will do... thanks.
[09:14:54] <archivist> I have never bought new :)
[09:16:59] <thesaint> i have used older mini itx boards but just got a nice new machine and thought i would try to put something a bit more up to date on it..
[09:18:01] <thesaint> not so easy to find what is the most modern working solution with a pci slot...
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[09:29:18] <archivist> bah he fell off irc
[09:31:30] <t4nk216> hii I want emc scaleio driver for openstack kilo version please someone help
[09:32:07] <archivist> t4nk216, is this for the storage company
[09:32:52] * archivist taps the microphone
[09:33:44] <archivist> t4nk216, you are in the wrong place
[09:35:30] <archivist> this channel is linuxcnc we do not support the bully company called emc
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[11:23:27] <XXCoder> heh archivist gyuy just left
[11:23:33] <XXCoder> well done
[11:24:20] <archivist> its hard work sometimes
[11:24:22] <XXCoder> why is emc bully though, archivist ?
[11:25:15] <archivist> we were called emc, enhanced machine controller, the lawyers sent letters
[11:25:57] <XXCoder> jeez
[11:26:15] <archivist> we were using the term for a very long time then they went and got the trademark in out category and sent nasty letter
[11:26:15] <XXCoder> reminds me of bricklink. old name was brickbay but ebay thinks they own everything "bay"
[11:30:47] <trentster> howdy all
[11:30:59] <XXCoder> geez
[11:31:07] <XXCoder> this breads like rock.
[11:31:17] <XXCoder> label suggests me to bake it "for more crispy"
[11:31:43] <XXCoder> any more crispy and superman'd have problems lol
[11:31:58] <trentster> Anyone tinkered with creating 3d models for surface textures and/or turning physical objects into 3d models?
[11:32:49] <XXCoder> theres program that uses microsoft 3d thingy to make 3d models
[11:33:51] <XXCoder> kinsect something
[11:34:21] <trentster> ok ill google thanks
[11:34:38] <XXCoder> its basically free if you already has one
[11:35:08] <trentster> kinect?
[11:35:21] <XXCoder> yeah
[11:39:57] <trentster> XXCoder: I want to learn how to make 3d wall panels like this - https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/204023879/wall-panel-3d-model-for-cnc-machining
[11:40:14] <trentster> not sure which is best way to go about it or which software to use
[11:40:16] <XXCoder> that do look cool.
[11:40:28] <XXCoder> there IS art package for cnc
[11:40:32] <XXCoder> forgot name though
[11:41:32] <XXCoder> http://www.artcam.com/
[11:41:39] <trentster> probably best to learn a good package that can create these mathematically and output 3d models
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[11:42:44] <trentster> cool - looking
[11:45:13] <trentster> I think artcam is similar to Aspire anyway
[11:45:35] <archivist> just write the maths into the gcode :)
[11:46:04] <trentster> archivist: thanks - easy peasy huh!
[11:46:37] <archivist> think spirograph
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[11:47:28] <trentster> archivist: I secretly wonder if you have a PHD in mathematics to fall back on
[11:47:48] <trentster> This stuff comes so easy to you, I am envious :-)
[11:47:53] <archivist> definitely not
[11:48:26] <archivist> some maths is very hard for me
[11:48:52] <archivist> but patterns are just loops
[11:49:40] <XXCoder> hm I remember this fields simulation screensaver that made vivid pattern - wonder if that'd make awesome pattern by linuxcnc picture to 3d model
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[11:55:10] <trentster> I suppose its much like anything, once you know how its easy
[11:55:17] <XXCoder> indeed
[11:55:31] <XXCoder> when you see guy doing glass artwork it looks so simple
[11:55:51] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WmJOhbpyKY
[11:58:07] <trentster> XXCoder: yeah he has probably been refining his craft for 35 years
[11:58:11] <XXCoder> indeed
[11:58:31] <XXCoder> bit ironic that "looks simple" truly require master level
[11:59:43] <trentster> yeah - when it becomes muscle memory and automatic it looks simple
[12:00:27] <trentster> ok aspire seems to work well creating bitmaps into 3d objects just tried a test jpg file - yay! https://monosnap.com/file/FLCejmn2y7g0e2bYBCS67F1Ajjb523
[12:00:41] <XXCoder> wow
[12:02:05] <trentster> this was the file I used btw https://monosnap.com/file/3dz294EGdfirOzeWsqi9gYOzwkmIyQ
[12:04:01] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMkqvx3uuvQ
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[12:14:10] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH2A-Pipf80 cool
[12:14:16] <trentster> XXCoder: you will love this its amazing and captions are good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-f4gokRBs
[12:14:30] <XXCoder> trentster: http://www.vectric.com/products/aspire.html ?
[12:14:46] <trentster> ?
[12:15:04] <XXCoder> sigh I love that guy videos but could not sub because well handheld cams make me literally sick
[12:15:09] <XXCoder> and he waves it around constant;ly
[12:15:38] <XXCoder> zooms, so on
[12:15:40] <trentster> just watch the vid its self explanatory
[12:15:50] <XXCoder> trentster: thats my point. I cannot.
[12:15:58] <XXCoder> not without running to restroom and vomiting
[12:16:08] <XXCoder> my brain sucks
[12:16:46] <XXCoder> anyway is this software you meant? http://www.vectric.com/products/aspire.html
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[12:17:36] <trentster> yeah thats the software I am using
[12:17:45] <XXCoder> cool. how expensive is it?
[12:18:41] <trentster> XXCoder: just watch from 2:30 its still slow mo shots at 100k FPS and up
[12:19:03] <XXCoder> anyway I do know about jacobs glass drop
[12:19:07] <trentster> the software I think was round $2k
[12:19:27] <XXCoder> pretty amazing that it focuses to tiny spot. yet if that thin strand breaks.. all shatters
[12:20:18] <archivist> it is how toughened glass is made basically
[12:20:40] <XXCoder> oops prince rupert's
[12:21:07] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V2eCFsDkK0
[12:21:39] <trentster> the most amazing part is the fracture waves moves at over 1 Mile per second - thats amazingly fast
[12:21:53] <XXCoder> fast allright
[12:22:32] <XXCoder> artcam is just $150
[12:22:38] <XXCoder> express though
[12:22:42] <archivist> hmm I want to get into a renishaw probe that is not supposed to be user repaired
[12:23:07] <trentster> yeah it does not do 3d stuff properly and their equivalent aspire version is tons of money
[12:24:10] <trentster> about $7.5k for pro version
[12:24:24] <XXCoder> fun
[12:24:58] <trentster> yeah its not play play money
[12:25:25] <XXCoder> indeed
[12:25:48] <trentster> you may get away with artcam insignia tho , its $2.5k but not sure of it abilities
[12:26:14] <XXCoder> probably will just try umm that software
[12:26:21] <XXCoder> I sure cant remember anything :P
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[12:27:36] <trentster> artcam express can only import 3d models it can not create them
[12:27:57] <XXCoder> which is fine to me as I like freecad heh
[12:28:30] <trentster> you especially like the first 4 letters ;-)
[12:28:46] <XXCoder> yep I'm a cheap bastard
[12:29:05] <XXCoder> ah autodesk fusion
[12:29:33] <trentster> nah not cheap, I am sure if you had tons of money it would not be an issue, the same for most of us.
[12:29:40] <XXCoder> nah
[12:29:48] <XXCoder> I still refuse to buy brand new clothes
[12:29:54] <XXCoder> I can easily afford em now
[12:29:55] <trentster> haha ok
[12:30:16] <XXCoder> comes from growing up very poor
[12:37:12] <trentster> I know the feeling
[12:39:23] <XXCoder> running autodesk in linux ;)
[12:39:35] <XXCoder> well reallym, autodesk fusion in windows 7 in linux
[12:47:22] <XXCoder> hm
[12:47:28] <XXCoder> tutorial dont seem to work
[12:47:34] <XXCoder> that window dont come up
[12:47:39] <XXCoder> so I cant progress
[12:51:47] <XXCoder> finally figured it
[12:51:53] <XXCoder> ui is so weird
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[13:00:13] <trentster> I dunno only ever used it on a mac - ui is pretty awesome imho
[13:00:40] <XXCoder> just.. different
[13:00:50] <XXCoder> also not much "visual hints"
[13:01:01] <XXCoder> but then thats been going away for years now
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[13:02:18] <trentster> there is a ton of visual hints if you hover over any of the checkboxes or input fields a full graphical hint window comes up with pictures and all, - maybe linux version is different, I dunno
[13:02:52] <XXCoder> no such thing as linux version
[13:07:32] <XXCoder> heh even for my pc, running 2 OS to run a program is little much
[13:07:40] <XXCoder> lack of 3d support dont help.
[13:09:34] <trentster> it supports gpu rendering and enhancements just fine
[13:10:17] <XXCoder> if my pc had workinbg driver for such yes
[13:10:33] <XXCoder> xfce mint dont well quite support my video card
[13:11:37] <trentster> I dunno - if it was me I would get a used $10 Nvidia card off ebay and try it. alternatively nvidia card and windows dual boot partition.
[13:12:04] <XXCoder> nah dont wanna reboot to run windows app, it'll be fine :)
[13:13:07] <trentster> oh Linux version is not a native app its a web browser version right?
[13:13:22] <trentster> I would definately use it in a windows vm rather with a native app
[13:13:38] <XXCoder> fusion 360 dont have any linux version
[13:13:48] <XXCoder> so have to be in windows vm ayway :)
[13:13:48] <trentster> I would still buy a nvidia card either way tho
[13:14:03] <XXCoder> hm forgot what card mine has
[13:14:20] <XXCoder> ah asus radeon 270
[13:14:23] <XXCoder> r9
[13:15:37] <trentster> are you using virtualbox?
[13:15:41] <XXCoder> yeah
[13:16:05] <trentster> I think if you use a nvidia card virtualbox can do proper gpu hardware passthru
[13:17:34] <trentster> minimum requirements for graphics card is : Graphics Card: 512MB GDDR RAM
[13:17:36] <XXCoder> yeah?
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[13:19:27] <XXCoder> this is my card http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GN1Y43E?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
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[13:21:03] <trentster> thats a nice card, only issue is raden drivers in linux
[13:21:07] <trentster> *radeon
[13:21:14] <trentster> on windows it would fly
[13:21:20] <trentster> How much ram have you got?
[13:21:27] <XXCoder> 16 gb
[13:22:59] <trentster> I have not kept track of the open source gpu stuff - I know awhile back there was pressure on Then ATI to release native open source radeon drivers, I guess that has not happened under AMD
[13:24:35] <XXCoder> radensi hmm
[13:29:29] <malcom2073> Using nvidias is still hell too heh
[13:29:37] <trentster> really?
[13:29:42] <trentster> so whats the easy way?
[13:29:53] <malcom2073> If you use the closed source drivers at least (whcih you have to do in order to do CUDA or any really cool stuff)
[13:30:28] <malcom2073> We have a bunch fo 980's and Titan X's at work in our workstations, and at least once a week I have to take one down to mess with the drivers and/or kernel to get video working again
[13:31:02] <malcom2073> No clue, I personally don't use linux except virtualized anymore
[13:34:02] <trentster> yeah - I only use linux for LinuxCNC
[13:34:14] <trentster> Desktop stuff always MACS
[13:34:32] <trentster> Server stuff generally Illumos/Solaris or FreeBSD
[13:35:16] <archivist> slowlaris...still out there?
[13:35:48] <trentster> it aint Slowlaris anymore archivist, your age is giving you away ;-)
[13:36:01] <trentster> XXCoder: lol check how trippy this is! https://monosnap.com/file/0wYHyIaYT4mxBEV9ybqIfjFJKAqHHl
[13:36:13] <XXCoder> crazy
[13:36:19] <XXCoder> bet toolpath is insane.
[13:36:21] <trentster> that would take a ton of time to carve with a 1/8 inch ballnose
[13:36:39] <MrSunshine> so my hunch with the ballnuts seem to have been right, ground away the little bump that they missed and smoothed it out, assembled and now it does not bind atleast as bad =)
[13:46:42] <trentster> MrSunshine: where are the ballnuts from originally?
[13:47:01] <MrSunshine> china my guess =)
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[13:47:47] <trentster> aah yeah, from my experience there is always a bit of manual work needed when buying certain stuff from china. e.g I bought a 80mm spindle mount.
[13:48:14] <trentster> I had to grind the back 100% flat, it was a bit out from the casting.
[13:48:19] <trentster> par for the course I guess
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[13:52:53] <MrSunshine> ive reground the spindle as it was 0.1mm off in the taper and now fixed ballnut =)
[13:54:12] <XXCoder> brb
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[13:59:51] <XXCoder> hmm
[13:59:53] <XXCoder> drivers seem ok
[14:00:03] <XXCoder> but problem is how test if 3d support is working or not
[14:00:28] <malcom2073> glxgears, but that will run on software rendering too I think
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[14:00:39] <malcom2073> doesn't radeon come with any tools like nvidia-settings to display what driver is being used?
[14:00:45] <enleth> XXCoder: glxinfo
[14:00:57] <_methods> yes it comes with catalyst
[14:01:01] <_methods> ati catalyst
[14:01:47] <enleth> glxinfo will indicate if hardware or software rendering is used regardless of card vendor, as long as the proper Mesa backend is available
[14:01:51] <_methods> ccc = catalyst control center
[14:02:13] <malcom2073> enleth: Nice, good to know
[14:02:42] <XXCoder> enleth: how do I find that info in reams of info it emits heh
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[14:03:59] <XXCoder> ahh glxinfo | grep direct
[14:04:04] <XXCoder> it says yes
[14:09:10] <XXCoder> 6301 fps
[14:09:16] <XXCoder> glxgears
[14:10:12] <XXCoder> booting windows 7
[14:10:29] <XXCoder> or is it better to say Running as there is no actual pc booting up...
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[14:17:29] <XXCoder> bah it still says software render only obn fusion
[14:17:35] <XXCoder> well night
[14:18:09] <_methods> did you set up hardware passthru
[14:18:25] <XXCoder> hink so but late so tired now lol night
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[14:20:13] <_methods> no idea what you're using for vm
[14:20:30] <_methods> so not sure if you even can get bare metal access to the card
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[14:27:32] <malcom2073> I keep thinking of sticking a gforce card in my server, ESXi supposidly supports hardware passthrough for video cards
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[14:37:12] <miss0r> guys/girls. I need your opinion here. And I am in sort of a hurry. I was just offered a TOS FNK 25A for free. I have to pick it up my self thou - so that will include some cost. (1700kg). Is it worth my while? is it an OKAY machine?
[14:37:37] <miss0r> I'm told it is in working order.
[14:38:29] <archivist> its the right price
[14:38:38] <_methods> kvm, esxi both do hardware passthru
[14:39:10] <_methods> i think most virtualization software will
[14:39:15] <_methods> just might take some work
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[14:48:02] <malcom2073> No such thing as a free machine... but a free machine is worth at least scrap price. And if it's supposed to be in working order if all else fails it probably has salvageable components on it
[14:48:32] <malcom2073> I'd never turn something like that down, just because you can probably make up the rigging costs in scrap+components
[14:49:18] <malcom2073> That being said, rigging costs could be a lot cheaper here in the USA heh
[15:03:27] <miss0r> well.... I just don't want to waste any time about this. Also, transport cost is still cost. All I want to know is: is it a descent machine?
[15:07:32] <miss0r> well... I just went ahead and accepted the offer. I should have it here in the shop once I have cleared some space some time next week.
[15:07:45] <miss0r> It is a pretty massive machine for my quite petite shop
[15:10:32] <archivist> miss0r, I have never touched one http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general-archive/what-about-tos-milling-machines-88697/
[15:11:02] <archivist> seems one poster there is a happy bunny
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[16:03:43] <malcom2073> I hope PeteFromTnSoonToBeFL is being safe, hear the roads his way are terrible today
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[16:09:14] <Sync> as an old saying goes "Fährste quer, siehste mehr"
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[16:16:08] <jdh> that's what I always say.
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[16:30:34] <malcom2073> As an equally old saying goes: "I don't know what you just said"
[16:31:52] <CaptHindsight> you mean PeteWhoUsedToBeFromTenn?
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[16:41:27] <jdh> should be PeteWhoUsedToBeFromFlorida
[16:43:50] <CaptHindsight> PeteOriginallyFromFlorida as far as I know
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[16:43:56] <Jymmm> malcom2073: .http://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.roosterteeth.com/uploads/images/bc14d031-be90-4ef7-ba2d-e9e00a971a03/md/DLB51e1b90974827.jpg
[16:44:57] <CaptHindsight> rabbits is practically chickens
[16:45:21] <Jymmm> heh
[16:49:22] <Jymmm> Anyone have a FLAC ripper for OSX they could recommend?
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[16:51:51] <anomynous> nope
[16:51:55] <anomynous> https://xiph.org/flac/download.html
[16:52:12] <anomynous> lists some guis/front ends
[16:52:24] <Jymmm> I was already there, didn't see CDDB support.
[16:52:37] <Jymmm> thus the inquiry, but ty =)
[16:52:43] <anomynous> mm
[16:53:51] <Jymmm> video http://sourceforge.net/projects/xld/
[16:54:40] <Jymmm> ok, has cddb support, yay!
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[16:59:37] <maxcnc> hi from a ice raining germany
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[17:08:21] <anomynous> roughing jaws, roughing jaws. Phun phun.
[17:17:49] <maxcnc> ReadError: what power source do you got for the 525
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[17:56:39] <Jymmm> Bah, I think I need to get a car battery
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[17:59:55] <FloppyDisk5_25> for HAL components, can I mix a FLOAT from say a MUX2 output (float out) and a BIT, let's say to gs2.spindle-fwd (bin, in)
[18:01:14] <FloppyDisk5_25> the mux outs, I'd so something like: setp mux2.0.in1 1; setp mux2.0.in0 0
[18:01:17] <JT-Shop> that doesn't make sense
[18:01:24] <FloppyDisk5_25> ??why??
[18:01:28] <FloppyDisk5_25> sorry
[18:01:35] <archivist> you might want a comparator to convert
[18:01:43] <JT-Shop> what float value shoud trigger the bit?
[18:01:46] <JT-Shop> should
[18:01:59] <JT-Shop> 0.0000001 or 1.0
[18:03:07] <malcom2073> I think both will trigger it, all non zeros yeah?
[18:03:07] <archivist> FloppyDisk5_25, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_components.html#r1_2_13
[18:03:44] <FloppyDisk5_25> I was looking here... http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/
[18:04:14] <FloppyDisk5_25> whoa - there are conversions.
[18:04:51] <FloppyDisk5_25> JT-shop: I was thinking 0.0 would be false and 1.0 would be True. You're thinking 'should' work?
[18:04:57] <FloppyDisk5_25> Keeps me from the conversions.
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[18:06:59] <maxcnc> FloppyDisk5_25: what are you trying to adchive in the end
[18:07:45] <FloppyDisk5_25> maxcnc: my spindle won't reverse when I use the gearchange and gs2 comps. I have the gearchange.0.reverse set to 1
[18:07:59] <FloppyDisk5_25> I setup some pyvcp toggle buttons to emulate.
[18:08:22] <FloppyDisk5_25> To get around the issue, I need to use gearchange.0.dir-out and then run that to
[18:08:59] <FloppyDisk5_25> gs2.sp-fwd and gs2.sp-rev, but I have to 'not' the value for the reverse - YES - I think that might work...
[18:09:05] <maxcnc> ok better you do your own component on that
[18:09:22] <FloppyDisk5_25> I might have solved it... w/ the not... Let me re-code/connect pins...
[18:09:39] <maxcnc> Hal = FUN ;-)
[18:09:40] <FloppyDisk5_25> don't need the conversion - thanks. It's just confusing! (for me - sigh)
[18:11:37] <FloppyDisk5_25> maxcnc - HAL - love/hate. It's amazing what it can do, just takes a bit to understand.
[18:12:11] <FloppyDisk5_25> not sure there's a pun w/ 'bit', wasn't intended...
[18:15:56] <maxcnc> fun to implement double thinks like pendand and pyvcp
[18:23:15] <FloppyDisk5_25> It's really quite easy to pyvcp, havne't tried the other stuff (glade, etc..)
[18:23:27] <FloppyDisk5_25> Hats off to those who put all this together, awesome...
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[18:49:45] <MrSunshine> ah finaly, screws installed on the machine and tried to run it in air =)
[18:50:18] <MrSunshine> seems to work fine, some find tuning of position of the ballscrews and stuff, loctite the frekkin nuts in place , square up the machine and blam ... ready to rock n roll =)
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[19:00:03] <JT-Shop> sweet
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[19:11:39] <MrSunshine> 3600mm/min upgraded to 7200mm/min =)
[19:12:18] <maxcnc> im on 20.000 stpck MrSunshine
[19:12:26] <maxcnc> per min
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[19:12:34] <maxcnc> im off Gn8
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[19:13:06] <MrSunshine> hehe =)
[19:14:19] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CINCINNATI-ID-OD-GRINDER-402B50-65/272051814091 $1400 or best
[19:14:33] <MrSunshine> i can run it at 15600mm/min but thats realy realy playing with fire :P
[19:16:14] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CINCINNATI-ID-OD-GRINDER/272074998392 ~$1600 or best
[19:18:26] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BROWN-SHARPE-1-ID-OD-UNIVERSAL-CYLENDRICAL-GRINDER-PARTS-MACHINE-/252248094102 $500 or best
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[19:40:30] <bobo__> aventtini6: hi
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[19:56:45] <aventtini6> hello bobo
[19:56:52] <aventtini6> sorry i was a little busy
[19:56:58] <aventtini6> how can i help you
[20:02:03] <aventtini6> how has some 7i77 for sale ?
[20:05:00] <PCW> Did you not get my email?
[20:05:26] <PCW> 7I77s are out of stock but should be available next week
[20:06:39] <aventtini6> peter i order on 30 last year
[20:07:04] <aventtini6> and i check it on the back and see money has been reffunded
[20:07:06] <aventtini6> to me
[20:07:11] <aventtini6> can you please check
[20:07:19] <aventtini6> company is caled romtag
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[20:33:03] <PCW> OK they had some shipping issue with Romania, they will try again
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[21:33:28] <PetefromTn_> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=963192163716967&set=gm.1000469600023176&type=3&theater Looks like a good deal...
[21:36:38] <bobo__> doesent show up on this computer Pete
[21:36:57] <PetefromTn_> oh it may be a closed group..sorry
[21:37:10] <PetefromTn_> its a used MHP CNC VMC for 2500 bucks
[21:37:14] <PetefromTn_> 1987 model
[21:37:20] <PetefromTn_> apparently it is working
[21:37:56] <PetefromTn_> says copely Ohio
[21:38:01] <bobo__> Is it wateing for you in sunny Fla?
[21:38:36] <bobo__> copely is north of me
[21:38:46] <bobo__> i think
[21:39:22] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/ELpnW
[21:39:31] <bobo__> colder up there than here
[21:39:59] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:41:07] <bobo__> gosh tool changer and rotary axis trade in your mill
[21:41:42] <PetefromTn_> the 4th is not included apparently
[21:42:09] <bobo__> deal breaker than bummer
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[21:42:18] <PetefromTn_> if the crazy prices for rigging is any indication of the real costs to move the machine I may just have to sell the damn thing LOL
[21:44:45] <CaptHindsight> some riggers wanted more to move a machine than the machine cost me
[21:44:57] <PetefromTn_> yup its crazy
[21:45:08] <CaptHindsight> so as usual I end up having to do things myself
[21:45:09] <PetefromTn_> I may be trading my van in for a bigger truck here
[21:45:30] <CaptHindsight> hire crane, rent lift, get rash cream....
[21:45:44] <bobo__> Pete I hauled 2 Maho 600E and 1 Maho600E2 machines myself . the 600e2 I loaded myself
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[21:46:05] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: how is the house sale going?
[21:46:17] <PetefromTn_> still waiting to hear back from the customer on our third counter offer here today that they tentatively agreed to over the phone between realtors.
[21:46:42] <PetefromTn_> it is looking very good and we are not all that far from our asking price now
[21:46:44] <bobo__> unloaded all 3 machines myself
[21:47:02] <PetefromTn_> how much does a maho 600 weigh?
[21:47:38] <bobo__> My guess about 5500
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[21:48:24] <PetefromTn_> the Cinci weighs like 7k
[21:48:43] <PetefromTn_> its about 6 and a half feet by 7 feet cube about 8.5 feet tall
[21:49:03] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: can you move it from it's current spot to a clear space for a crane?
[21:49:11] <CaptHindsight> by yourself?
[21:49:44] <PetefromTn_> probably
[21:50:52] <bobo__> aventtini6: what is the weight of a Maho600E ?
[21:51:56] <CaptHindsight> Weight: ca 3350 kg
[21:52:32] <CaptHindsight> 7270 lbs so similar to the cincincattttitit
[21:52:42] <CaptHindsight> i
[21:53:37] <bobo__> Thanks Cap
[21:54:40] <PetefromTn_> bobo__ what did you use to move the stuff?
[21:55:30] <bobo__> Pete i am a slow typer so hang on
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[21:57:17] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/ILYQgy3.jpg RX7 downpipe I built today ;)
[21:58:24] <Tom_itx> looks good
[21:59:04] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/pHftDIq.jpg
[21:59:06] <bobo__> have a 2007 1St half of year chev 3/4 diesel / alison trany and trailer is a hyd tilt
[21:59:10] <PetefromTn_> thanks tom
[21:59:26] <PetefromTn_> bobo__ damn that sounds nice..
[21:59:27] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Packed yet ya lazy bastard?
[21:59:35] <PetefromTn_> why hell NO
[21:59:46] <Jymmm> PetefromTnFOREVER
[21:59:48] <PetefromTn_> when we have a signed contract I will start packing
[21:59:56] <PetefromTn_> dontevensaythatshit
[22:00:05] <Jymmm> PetefromTnFOREVERandEVERandEVER
[22:00:16] <PetefromTn_> you hate me dontcha ;)
[22:00:31] <Jymmm> Eh, it's a love hat thing... love to hate ya ;)
[22:00:34] <Jymmm> hate*
[22:00:49] <Jymmm> or... hate to love ya. Your choice
[22:00:50] <PetefromTn_> yup
[22:00:57] <PetefromTn_> works for me man
[22:01:07] <CaptHindsight> what do you prefer for a welding table surface, steel, stone/concrete, cheez-its?
[22:01:14] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: NoBromanceForYou!
[22:01:22] <PetefromTn_> well steel of course
[22:01:34] <Jymmm> welded cheezit... yuck
[22:01:36] <PetefromTn_> that table is just mild steel sheet
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[22:02:02] <PetefromTn_> the frame I built from rectangular structural steel and it has quite a few supports underneath the sheet going across
[22:02:43] <PetefromTn_> it actually is fine this side of a professional adjustable welding table
[22:03:00] <bobo__> Pete But the main part to moving those Machines was 4plates 5/8 thick that bolted to each corner of mach and hade a J hook for
[22:03:15] <PetefromTn_> at my home shop tho my table I weld on is MDF topped LOL
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[22:03:25] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: (ok, at least start getting boxes to pack. cause you can never have enough, but dont oversize them... a 100lb oversized box is a bitch to move. Try to get as many same-sized boxes as you can
[22:03:29] <bobo__> attaching chain to
[22:03:44] <PetefromTn_> bobo__ what is the chain for/
[22:05:50] <bobo__> the plates with J hook --then chain --then harbor f 3000lbs winch with pulley block to double force
[22:06:23] <PetefromTn_> oh to drag it up?
[22:06:51] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge-gallery.xhtml
[22:07:08] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/unload-308/unload-308.xhtml
[22:07:37] <bobo__> the winch ----i removed half of the cable to keep the capacity (pulling) high
[22:07:40] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop moved it all with just some greased wooden planks, rope and no slaves :)
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[22:14:00] <PetefromTn_> what does the trailer look like?
[22:14:06] <bobo__> the steel plate with winch I could move around as needed , drag onto trailer or drag off trailer
[22:14:50] <bobo__> Pete see if I can get a pict
[22:15:14] <PetefromTn_> bobo__ LOL feel like taking a road trip? I will buy the pizza ;)
[22:16:11] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: yea
[22:16:20] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: cool
[22:19:22] <bobo__> Pete see if this works http://www.appalachiantrailers.com/equipment-trailers/hydraulic-tilt-equipment-trailer-appalachian-special-15k
[22:20:23] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/5VhTJf2 This is just an amazing picture...
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[22:22:11] <JT-Shop> those pilots have ice water in their veins
[22:22:41] <PetefromTn_> that is just freaking pure skill right there.
[22:23:33] <PetefromTn_> can you imagine setting that monster's ass down on top of a shithouse shack high up in the mountains while soldiers evacuate wounded loading them up and keeping it still enough in high winds?
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[22:30:46] <JT-Shop> no, I can't even imagine that
[22:32:16] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/Spyder/air-filter-kits01.jpg
[22:32:22] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/Spyder/air-filter-kits02.jpg
[22:32:29] <PetefromTn_> I have been close to one of those CH47 chinook helicopters and lemme tell you that thing is HUGE!
[22:33:03] <JT-Shop> they fly over my house and I can hear them a few miles away
[22:34:12] <bobo__> Pete guessing you don't have a trailer . but might the place you weld at --- might they be interested in working some deal with you
[22:35:24] <bobo__> say both go in on at trailer and then a buy out after your move ?
[22:35:29] <PetefromTn_> no they don't really have anything
[22:35:50] <PetefromTn_> the only trailer they would want would be an enclosed vehicle trailer
[22:36:38] <PetefromTn_> was thinking about trading my Astro Van on say a Ford Excursion 4x4 or something that could tow it easily..
[22:37:31] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ Do you need a trailer?
[22:37:46] <PetefromTn_> I can probably rent one
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[22:37:54] <PetefromTn_> but yeah I don't have one
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[22:38:01] <bobo__> Iwould try to rent a truck ,just Me thought
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[22:38:13] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ What are you going to trailer?
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[22:38:20] <JT-Shop> low trailer is easier to load
[22:38:25] <squibby0> #emc > #linuxcnc. O.o interesting redirect there.
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[22:39:12] <PetefromTn_> going to trailer my VMC to Florida
[22:39:26] <PetefromTn_> unless I can find someone who will do it for a REASONABLE price..
[22:39:31] <bobo__> Tilt bed trailer is even easer to load and unload
[22:39:38] <cradek> PetefromTn_: uship.com
[22:40:03] <os1r1s> bobo__ I have a sloan kwikload trailer. Thats why I was asking :)
[22:40:23] <JT-Shop> I shipped my VMC from a couple states away to me and it was not expensive at all
[22:40:50] <os1r1s> I'll second uship
[22:41:04] <bobo__> oslrls where are you located /
[22:41:15] <PetefromTn_> what is your idea of NOT expensive?
[22:41:16] <os1r1s> bobo__ Near Memphis
[22:42:01] <bobo__> same state as Pete than
[22:42:10] <os1r1s> bobo__ yah. About 5 hours away
[22:42:21] <PetefromTn_> memphis is a LOT more than 5 hours away
[22:42:40] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ You are near Chattenooga, right?
[22:42:43] <JT-Shop> $500 or so
[22:42:48] <os1r1s> Can't spell for shit
[22:42:52] <bobo__> not the way we fly old man
[22:42:58] <PetefromTn_> no I am near knoxvegas
[22:43:29] <JT-Shop> lol
[22:43:50] <PetefromTn_> honestly if I could get the machine from here to a warehouse storage in Port St. Lucie for less than $1500 I would be pretty happy
[22:44:36] <os1r1s> I would think you could pay uship 500 to do it
[22:44:58] <PetefromTn_> never heard of Uship but cannot imagine how it could be that cheap
[22:45:00] <cradek> forklifts at both ends can cost as much as the shipping
[22:45:11] <PetefromTn_> yup
[22:45:21] <PetefromTn_> probably 350-500
[22:45:23] <PetefromTn_> each end
[22:45:30] <cradek> I paid a guy less than twice what I figured was fuel cost to ship my vmc
[22:45:43] * JT-Shop had to look where Port St. Lucie was
[22:45:45] <PetefromTn_> who?
[22:45:50] <cradek> someone on uship
[22:45:53] <JT-Shop> pretty good haul from your house
[22:45:54] <cradek> people bid for the job
[22:46:02] <PetefromTn_> PSL is about 13 hours from here
[22:46:18] <cradek> and you can pick a private guy who has good feedback and owns his own truck and trailer
[22:46:18] <PetefromTn_> are they pro's or shitheads tho?
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[22:46:27] <cradek> he had a very nice tarp and was a good guy
[22:46:34] <cradek> PetefromTn_: feedback system
[22:46:39] <PetefromTn_> ah
[22:46:46] <PetefromTn_> I will check into it...
[22:46:53] <PetefromTn_> you used the uship too then?
[22:47:05] <cradek> me? yeah found him through uship
[22:47:07] <cradek> it was easy
[22:47:28] <cradek> he had his own chains too, come to think of it
[22:47:29] <PetefromTn_> man I would be tickled if I could find something like that for a reasonable price
[22:47:51] <PetefromTn_> I figure I can get some skates and get the machine onto the skids
[22:48:05] <PetefromTn_> then I can roll the thing to the shop door and drop it down onto the skids
[22:48:08] <os1r1s> My boss used uship to ship a truck a few states away. He was pleased
[22:48:15] <PetefromTn_> then I can drag the thing out of the shop using my truck
[22:48:45] <cradek> you need a forklift to get it on/off the trailer anyway
[22:48:55] <PetefromTn_> but unless they can winch it up onto a tilt trailer like bobo has I will be needing the forklift
[22:49:05] <JT-Shop> I finally broke down on the last machine and got 4 of these http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200342863_200342863
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[22:49:45] <PetefromTn_> is it four for a hundred or a hundred each?
[22:50:08] <JT-Shop> a bengi each
[22:50:31] <PetefromTn_> screw that I rented a set of nice ones for less than 40 bucks last time
[22:52:13] <bobo__> I used 4 steel plates to drag the machines . Dawn liquid soap as a lube on plate to floor surface
[22:52:16] <JT-Shop> small town here not much selection
[22:52:55] <JT-Shop> I had 3 machines to move asap so they were worth it for me... then I moved a building with them
[22:53:20] <PetefromTn_> honestly if I can get it on the skids in its current position I can probably drag it out of the shop without any skates at all
[22:53:28] <PetefromTn_> the floor of the shop is quite smooth
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[22:57:15] <bobo__> now if we can only talk you into buying a building instead of a dumb house
[22:57:56] <PetefromTn_> anything is possible
[22:58:08] <PetefromTn_> shit here comes the snow...
[22:58:10] <bobo__> yah i know keep the better half happy
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[22:59:51] <PetefromTn_> so bobo how ya feel about a nice little vacation to florida in say a month or so )
[22:59:52] <JT-Shop> yea if you have a straight shot then use equipment, when I got the CHNC to the garage door it was a no brainer to grab the back hoe and a couple of 4x4's and push it inside
[23:00:28] <PetefromTn_> yup its a straight shot right out the front door from where it is sitting..
[23:02:11] <bobo__> Pete sounds interesting , but i refuse to drive that equipment on salt laden roads
[23:02:37] <PetefromTn_> understand that man
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[23:03:12] <PetefromTn_> how low can that kind of trailer go down to the ground?
[23:03:26] <bobo__> my 07 truck has less than 20k miles , all on non salted roads
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[23:04:46] <bobo__> back of trailer will go into trench i dug in ground
[23:05:13] <PetefromTn_> won't be any digging into concrete driveway ;)
[23:05:54] <bobo__> back of trailer is about 2" tube
[23:06:42] <FloppyDisk5_25> Anyone try to use lcnc w/ a turret punch?
[23:07:08] <FloppyDisk5_25> We could make some Lcnc computer boxes or something:-)
[23:07:14] <andypugh> Yes, I remember someone at least starting the project
[23:07:42] <FloppyDisk5_25> I would think a lot of it would be in the CAM for the tool choice and then gcode...
[23:07:46] <andypugh> This evening’s job, makiing a tapered gib for the lathe: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6242752113442930834
[23:08:15] <FloppyDisk5_25> Nice...
[23:08:16] <andypugh> (raw casting on the left, dinished part on the right, the saddle if fits in underneath)
[23:08:30] <andypugh> (finished not dinished)
[23:09:26] <andypugh> Gib strips are quite a challenge to make, being long and thin and finshed all round.
[23:09:35] <bobo__> to me the trick was four 5/8" steel plates that each corner/foot of mach bolted to. and each plate had a J hook to pull from
[23:09:58] <FloppyDisk5_25> I would agree, fixturing would be tricky... Maybe you can show a pic of your setup if you're inclined...
[23:11:07] <andypugh> This time: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6242753173479978242
[23:11:36] <FloppyDisk5_25> Yeah! I'm not so dumb:-)
[23:11:49] <Sync> hmm, nice
[23:11:54] <Sync> my vfd prototype works
[23:12:06] <andypugh> This was actually easier than the last Gib I made, for the Rivett as that was made from round Durabar and was trapezoidal
[23:12:19] <FloppyDisk5_25> I had a long skinny plate I wanted to face and thought of doing soemthing like that. Ended up not facing it. but, my idea was like yours - thank you...
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[23:13:15] <FloppyDisk5_25> You get a lot of mileage out of that mill:-)
[23:13:45] <andypugh> The Rivett gib is here: http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/rivett-lathe-slideway-refurb-as.html That took more than a day.
[23:14:38] <andypugh> 1” wide, 1/4” thick but I started with a 35mm round bar.
[23:14:58] <FloppyDisk5_25> Oh my...
[23:15:28] <XXCoder> dang
[23:15:36] <XXCoder> thats complex gringing
[23:15:38] <XXCoder> grinding
[23:15:41] <FloppyDisk5_25> A pro machinist I 'worked with' talked about shops making square stock out of round w/ files... dang...
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[23:17:28] <XXCoder> I saw myfordboy's method to file things more or less perfectly round
[23:17:53] <XXCoder> dang. he uses 2 round "bearings" so file can cut stock till it hits those and dont cut anything
[23:18:11] <XXCoder> ("bearings" are free rolling so file just rolls it and not cut anything)
[23:18:48] <andypugh> A filing guide used ot be something that trainees made as one of their first projects.
[23:19:27] <SpeedEvil> A file is a great exemplar of the fact how you use a tool matters more than the tool
[23:19:42] <SpeedEvil> It can make really quite precise stuff - used right
[23:20:10] <FloppyDisk5_25> The particular shop this guy spoke of were considered top notch by the top notch...
[23:20:54] <andypugh> I think we still have my grandads first project (he was an apprentice-trained millwright). It is a round metal bar with two bends in it and a tapered slot in one end. It’s a file handle for filing flat surfaces considerably bigger than the file.
[23:22:33] <andypugh> Same idea as the top one here: http://chestofbooks.com/home-improvement/workshop/Machine-Shop-Work/images/Fig-52-Special-File-Holder.jpg
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[23:22:59] <SpeedEvil> Interesting
[23:23:01] <andypugh> it is going to be quicker to moel it in CAD than to describe it :-)
[23:23:20] <FloppyDisk5_25> Cool.
[23:23:34] <SpeedEvil> 'replace the baseplate of a plane with a file'
[23:25:50] <os1r1s> How necessary is it to add an oiler to a g0704 class mill?
[23:26:33] <Tom_itx> you want it to last?
[23:26:45] <os1r1s> Tom_itx Of course
[23:26:57] <Tom_itx> oil it
[23:27:10] <FloppyDisk5_25> Are you replacing acme/lead screws with ball screws?
[23:27:15] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk5_25 Yes
[23:27:29] <FloppyDisk5_25> I still think you should oil it... but, maybe you don't need to do it all the time...
[23:27:46] <FloppyDisk5_25> I'm thinking of ball screw positioning stages that would get high duty cycle use, they don't ahve oilers?
[23:28:04] <os1r1s> I'm trying to figure out if its worth the time to add a one shot oiler system where I carve slots into the saddle
[23:28:26] <FloppyDisk5_25> Hmmm, and probably better to do it now than when you get it back together.
[23:28:41] <FloppyDisk5_25> (
[23:28:50] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk5_25 Right :)
[23:28:58] <FloppyDisk5_25> I'm not really an expert - I guess it depends on how much you'll use it...
[23:29:27] <FloppyDisk5_25> If you think you're going to go crazy (which you're probably gung ho right now), then it's a good idea.
[23:29:55] <FloppyDisk5_25> But, if you'll use it heavy for 2 months and it'll sit for 2, etc, then maybe not... Some manual oil drops would suffice in that case
[23:30:02] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk5_25 Something like this ... http://linuxcnc-g0704.blogspot.com/2014/08/one-shot-oiling.html
[23:30:07] <os1r1s> Is what I was thinking of
[23:31:02] <FloppyDisk5_25> If it's not too hard, should be fine... the plastic tubing would be easier than the steel, that's for sure.
[23:31:17] <andypugh> If you think that you can trust youself to go round the oiling points, then it’s probably excessive
[23:31:47] <andypugh> The mill I CNC-ed was intended for industrial use, and that didn’t have central oiling, so still doesn’t.
[23:32:22] <andypugh> I have thought about it, but running round the oilers with a gun once a week is almost certainly adequate for the use I give it
[23:32:29] <FloppyDisk5_25> My mill does have the one shot timer thingy and I get so much oil I pull the relay to it from time to time cuz oil drips all over the place
[23:32:56] <FloppyDisk5_25> But, I'm pretty bad w/ running the oiler, so it's probably good for me.
[23:33:02] <os1r1s> I'd love to use it often, but it would be a lot for me to use it once a month
[23:33:31] <bobo__> oslrls only as a reference point deckel - maho -other similar cnc mills have oil system that oils ways an ball screws every few minutes when machine is moving and more often if small moves
[23:33:47] <andypugh> FloppyDisk5_25: Well, the CAD model is done, but the VM is taking an age to boot a web browser to upload the picture
[23:34:05] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, Expected Delivery Day: Monday, January 25, 2016
[23:34:19] <JT-Shop> sweet! thanks
[23:34:34] <FloppyDisk5_25> Well, depends on how well you think you'll keep it oiled. sounds like you can get away w/ out it, but would be a nice touch to put it in.
[23:35:02] <Tom_itx> Arrived at USPS Destination Facility HAZELWOOD, MO 63042
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[23:35:31] <Sync> hmm simple oil manifolds are not ideal
[23:35:45] <Sync> you want a proportioning unit
[23:35:45] <os1r1s> bobo__ Thank you for that reference. It helps quite a bit. I thought the one shot oilers you pulled before use?
[23:35:45] <JT-Shop> if Hazelwood doesn't lose it we are in good shape
[23:36:16] <Sync> holy shit, dc braking my 3kW motor produces significant torque
[23:36:16] <os1r1s> Sync Do you have a suggested manifold?
[23:37:09] <Sync> http://www.vogel-zentralschmierung-handel.com/images/product_images/popup_images/Einleitungssystem-Verteiler-345-Oel-001-ccm-Hub.jpg those
[23:37:21] <Sync> they have a piston driven proportioning unit
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[23:38:33] <andypugh> Here we are, thing for using a file in a big flat surface. Pretty simple, the sort of thing you might need one day: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted#6242759679859861282
[23:38:48] <FloppyDisk5_25> slick!
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[23:39:16] <FloppyDisk5_25> I like how you can put pressure on it to keep it against the work piece.
[23:40:31] <FloppyDisk5_25> Need to run out and check on the king tide, getting rain in NorCAL and fun to see how the rivers get big fat and swirly. Not used to that!!!
[23:45:51] <XXCoder> not very complex
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[23:52:51] <bobo__> PetefromTn: when i moved the machines . covered them in a loose fitting cover (4sides and top all one piece) made from same material the truckers use
[23:55:37] <PetefromTn_> ok
[23:56:14] <bobo__> Pete biggest problem was tieing the cover down so it dodn't flap so much flaffing around in the wind caused major wear on cover
[23:56:27] <XXCoder> http://limpingchicken.com/2016/01/21/rebekah-rose-mundy-i-will-never-be-a-real-family-member-in-my-hearing-family-because-they-dont-sign/
[23:56:28] <XXCoder> glad my entire family is deaf. I have met many deaf people that had that issue with family. including my best friend