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[00:13:50] <CaptHindsight> I pretty much use the same 1/4" end mill for everything that came with my mill
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[00:57:56] <bobo__> Hi Pete ! homeless yet or just adding pounds from all of the cookies ?
[01:01:16] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: what bobo__ said!!!
[01:02:07] <bobo__> thanks Mr Jymmm
[01:02:26] <Jymmm> =)
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[01:19:24] <bobo__> Pete must be busy working on a tat cart design or sleeping off all the cookies
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[01:35:21] <PetefromTn_> meh no
[01:36:16] <PetefromTn_> its been a CRAZY DAY
[01:47:04] <jdh> how CRAZY was it?
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[01:49:52] <SpeedEvil> Did you discover you are actually a three foot tall horse?
[01:52:04] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: Are you homeless now?
[01:52:23] <SpeedEvil> As long as his situation is stable.
[01:53:19] <bobo__> as in horse stable ?
[01:53:21] <McBride36> is there a link to gcode commands? before 3d printing was a thing?
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[02:05:35] <zeeshan|2> just found out that
[02:05:44] <zeeshan|2> a 1/4" end mill can take a .75" doc
[02:05:46] <zeeshan|2> at 5 ipm
[02:05:47] <zeeshan|2> lol
[02:05:50] <zeeshan|2> whoops
[02:06:00] <zeeshan|2> had to stop the prog :/
[02:06:03] <PetefromTn_> sorry guys got a phone call LOL
[02:06:21] <PetefromTn_> jdh it was pretty crazy LOL
[02:06:39] <PetefromTn_> my wife has been after me to get some new sticker tires for her SUV
[02:06:57] <PetefromTn_> and tomorrow we are supposed to be getting a bunch of snow so she was panicking
[02:07:10] <PetefromTn_> so I had to run down and get some new tires put on there...
[02:07:25] <PetefromTn_> while this was happening I got a call from the realtors
[02:07:36] <PetefromTn_> they wanted to show the house THIS AFTERNOON
[02:07:50] <PetefromTn_> so I had to get a ride back to the house to straighten up and show the house
[02:08:08] <PetefromTn_> met with them and showed the house and got a ride back to the tire store
[02:08:26] <PetefromTn_> paid the man for her new Good year mudders OUCH
[02:08:34] <PetefromTn_> then I get a call from the realtor again
[02:08:54] <PetefromTn_> it seem the people who came to see the house the second time really liked it
[02:09:03] <PetefromTn_> they put in a bid which is a kind of lowball offer
[02:09:11] <PetefromTn_> so we have to now counter offer
[02:09:17] <PetefromTn_> by tomorrow at 5pm
[02:09:35] <PetefromTn_> then I get another call from the realtors
[02:09:51] <PetefromTn_> they want to show the house to ANOTHER customer tomorrow afternoon
[02:10:00] <malcom2073> When it rains it pours
[02:10:02] <PetefromTn_> so yeah like I said pretty crazy day LOL
[02:10:14] <PetefromTn_> we are busy as hell at the race shop too
[02:10:45] <PetefromTn_> I was mocking up the 3 rotor 2" tube manifold all day and it is starting to look pretty awesome...
[02:11:05] <PetefromTn_> not much room when you add another rotor and a bigass turbo in there LOL
[02:11:34] <PetefromTn_> I am really starting to freak out about the house tho
[02:12:01] <PetefromTn_> if they accept our counter offer we will be balls to the wall fixing up the things they want fixed and packing our stuff for the move
[02:12:04] <CaptHindsight> decide on your bottom price
[02:12:22] <PetefromTn_> then I will have to find a way to move my machines without breaking the bank
[02:12:37] <PetefromTn_> PLUS we have to find a house in Florida to buy...
[02:12:50] <PetefromTn_> my wife and I are kinda overwhelmed LOL
[02:13:03] <CaptHindsight> ask them to give you 30 days of access to the garage :)
[02:13:07] <PetefromTn_> we always thought it would sell eventually especially with all the work we have been doing
[02:13:28] <PetefromTn_> well the offer said we would need to finish up the repairs and be out by march 3
[02:14:07] <PetefromTn_> we would probably need to have until april 3 realistically to do the stuff they need, arrange for the machines moving, and get all our stuff packed for the move.
[02:14:08] <jdh> wasnt' florida housing hit pretty hard? should be lots of things there
[02:14:16] <PetefromTn_> well it was actually
[02:14:32] <CaptHindsight> lots of "fixer uppers" as well
[02:14:33] <PetefromTn_> honestly if we had sold our house a year or so ago we would have been able to take our pick
[02:14:43] <PetefromTn_> but it is really coming back down there apparenlty
[02:15:00] <PetefromTn_> many of the smokin' deals we saw are not there or not as smoking now LOL
[02:15:06] <PetefromTn_> story of my life ;)
[02:15:12] <CaptHindsight> avoid the swampy areas
[02:15:29] <PetefromTn_> we want to be in the Port St. Lucie area where we were before...
[02:15:43] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say I am SOOOO excited that we actually got an offer for the house tho.
[02:15:55] <PetefromTn_> it was starting to feel like that was never gonna happen hehe
[02:17:19] <PetefromTn_> the thing that sucks tho is that by the time we pay the very good realtors and pay a little home improvement loan we took out awhile ago that is gonna take a chunk out of the total so we may have to get a little loan on the house in florida possibly.
[02:18:19] <CaptHindsight> you could get a 10K sq ft warehouse to convert to living space
[02:18:35] <PetefromTn_> LOL I would LOVE to do that
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[02:18:42] <PetefromTn_> but my wife would probably strangle me
[02:18:48] <CaptHindsight> heh
[02:19:03] <CaptHindsight> loft like living
[02:19:06] <PetefromTn_> she wants a nice house in PSL with a huge bathtub and hopefully a swimming pool
[02:19:11] <CaptHindsight> drive right into the living room
[02:19:27] <PetefromTn_> that would be sweet
[02:19:38] <PetefromTn_> she is NOT open for discussion on this tho hehehe
[02:19:38] <CaptHindsight> get her an indoor pool/bathtub
[02:20:08] <PetefromTn_> our house we rented in PSL when we lived down there had a huge bathtub/jacuzzi and she has not had one since so she is laying down the law LOL
[02:22:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/19535376/486-NW-Lake-Whitney-Port-Saint-Lucie-FL/ 25k sq ft! only $113K
[02:22:19] <CaptHindsight> you could put a diving school in there
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[02:23:41] <CaptHindsight> with springboard from the roof
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[03:29:04] <PetefromTn_> man can you imagine having a 25k sq foot shop with a house attached LOL
[03:30:42] <Tom_itx> who needs a house?
[03:31:01] <PetefromTn_> well I gotta sleep and shower somewhere LOL
[03:31:39] <Tom_itx> with that space you could have a nice office/shower
[03:32:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah man I agree you could put my whole house inside there and still have tons of room
[03:32:46] <Tom_itx> sounds about the size of my bud's last building before he retired
[03:33:38] <PetefromTn_> I honestly have always wanted to live on a boat and have kidded my wife about selling the house and getting a yacht and then putting my shop in a warehouse building
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[03:33:46] <PetefromTn_> she won't go for it
[03:38:23] <zeeshan|2> 25k sq ft !
[03:38:24] <zeeshan|2> :D
[03:38:50] <PetefromTn_> heheh
[03:38:51] <zeeshan|2> i was trying to think of the ideal shop size for me
[03:38:57] <zeeshan|2> i think itll have 1500 sq ft
[03:39:07] <zeeshan|2> with 12-14 ft ceilings
[03:39:16] <zeeshan|2> originally i wanted double, but man the heating bill would be insane
[03:39:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah that would probably be about perfect for a small shop that is a bit less than twice what I have here.
[03:40:07] <zeeshan|2> i found out one of my coworkers was an ex machinist
[03:40:21] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/6xE2VoB.jpg
[03:40:25] <zeeshan|2> he gave me a bunch of carbide and tools
[03:40:31] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/CiQXC9X.jpg
[03:40:33] <zeeshan|2> lots of tnmg
[03:40:54] <zeeshan|2> your shop is 750 sq ft?
[03:41:32] <PetefromTn_> more like 700 actually
[03:41:41] <zeeshan|2> nice manm
[03:41:44] <zeeshan|2> thats lots of space!
[03:41:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is not bad for a garage shop
[03:42:04] <PetefromTn_> that is one big worry I have
[03:42:08] <zeeshan|2> mine is 20x20
[03:42:09] <PetefromTn_> if we sell
[03:42:19] <PetefromTn_> I will be lucky to find one close to that size in Florida
[03:42:27] <zeeshan|2> how come
[03:42:39] <zeeshan|2> btw pete i couldnt take a video
[03:42:40] <PetefromTn_> well I should say in my price range anyway
[03:42:40] <zeeshan|2> no patience
[03:42:41] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/HoRteCP.jpg
[03:42:58] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/y6dJ0I2.jpg
[03:43:07] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/WgtRS5x.jpg
[03:43:08] <zeeshan|2> fresh off the mill
[03:43:22] <zeeshan|2> property is expensive in florida?
[03:43:23] <PetefromTn_> not bad at all man
[03:43:35] <PetefromTn_> no not terribly
[03:43:42] <PetefromTn_> at least not where we are going anyway
[03:43:57] <zeeshan|2> ah
[03:43:58] <PetefromTn_> I am really diggin' the mudders I got for my wife's trooper LOL
[03:44:00] <zeeshan|2> where are you going
[03:44:08] <PetefromTn_> Port Saint Lucie Florida
[03:44:19] <PetefromTn_> about an hour north of Palm Beach
[03:45:28] * zeeshan|2 googles
[03:45:45] <zeeshan|2> holy cow
[03:45:51] <zeeshan|2> thats really south!
[03:45:52] <zeeshan|2> and warm :p
[03:46:11] <zeeshan|2> looks gorgeous
[03:46:14] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ Are you moving?
[03:46:19] <PetefromTn_> Oh man it is SOOOO Pretty there.
[03:46:25] <PetefromTn_> look up jensen beach
[03:47:03] <PetefromTn_> os1r1s we are if we sell our house..got a bit of a low ball offer today so we are going to counter offer and see how it goes. Also showing the house to another interested party tomorrow afternoon.
[03:47:04] <zeeshan|2> lol
[03:47:07] <zeeshan|2> ther is a nude beach there
[03:47:22] <os1r1s> Port St Lucie is beautiful. I've been there
[03:47:32] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: i hope your mill doesnt sink in the swamp!
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[03:47:57] <zeeshan|2> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8a/f2/19/8af2191416c6878d94963a535ba1849c.jpg
[03:47:58] <PetefromTn_> http://heronfla.com/img/jensen-beach-causeway.jpg
[03:48:00] <zeeshan|2> i really like this kind of water
[03:48:06] <zeeshan|2> where you dont necessairly hjave to swim
[03:48:08] <zeeshan|2> but can walk around
[03:48:59] <PetefromTn_> http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/dc/a4/dc/conchy-joe-s-seafood.jpg I used to work here as a kid LOL
[03:50:01] <PetefromTn_> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/19/7a/bc/197abc1fdeb87d7c0145899d551bef22.jpg this is bathtub reef beach where we used to go swimming a lot
[03:50:31] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: is there jobs there?
[03:51:05] <PetefromTn_> my wife used to work in the hospital system there and has a great rep there and they are looking for people right now so she is probably gonna be fine
[03:51:38] <PetefromTn_> I can do cabinet work, CNC machining work, manual machining work, Fabrication/tig welding work etc. etc. so I am sure I will find something
[03:51:50] <PetefromTn_> plus I do work for myself at home with my own machines
[03:51:58] <PetefromTn_> so yeah I think we will be fine.
[03:52:05] <zeeshan|2> for you i understand
[03:52:07] <zeeshan|2> but iwas wondering for wife
[03:52:13] <PetefromTn_> I have a lot of friends down there
[03:52:18] <PetefromTn_> and family too
[03:52:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah Dacia is a fantastic nurse
[03:52:29] <zeeshan|2> how the heck did you end up tin Tn?!?!
[03:52:44] <PetefromTn_> she gets excellent reviews and raises all the time LOL
[03:53:04] <PetefromTn_> well my mother married a fellow from Kentucky that lived here in Maryville years ago
[03:53:12] <PetefromTn_> and we came up to visist a few times
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[03:53:29] <PetefromTn_> it is really beautiful here in the mountains actually
[03:53:40] <PetefromTn_> the Great Smoky Mountains National park is amazing
[03:53:42] <zeeshan|2> i love mountains!!
[03:53:51] <PetefromTn_> so we decided to move here about 15 years ago
[03:54:22] <PetefromTn_> I have not really ever regretted that decision honestly but I DO want to move back to Florida I love the beach and the weather.
[03:54:44] <PetefromTn_> I am NOT a cold person I like being warm ;)
[03:55:16] <zeeshan|2> nice
[03:55:24] <zeeshan|2> yea im not sure if i could give up mountains
[03:55:56] <zeeshan|2> but warm weather is also just as good
[03:56:02] <zeeshan|2> maybe move to arizona :P
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[03:57:19] <PetefromTn_> well I grew up in South florida
[03:57:36] <PetefromTn_> as a kid I was either snorkeling, diving, surfing, or boating somewhere
[03:57:49] <PetefromTn_> I absolutely love the ocean
[03:58:10] <PetefromTn_> I love catching massive fish that you can actually eat and that taste good
[03:58:43] <PetefromTn_> my grandfather and I used to catch Snappers, Groupers, Mahi Mahi, Kingfish, Spanish Mackerel, etc etc all the time
[03:58:54] <PetefromTn_> our freezer was always stuffed with fresh fish
[03:59:10] <PetefromTn_> we would go catch blue crabs and go clamming in the flats
[03:59:41] <PetefromTn_> I also love going down to the keys for the weekend we did that quite often when we lived there
[04:00:01] <PetefromTn_> and of course there is Orlando and Disney and all the theme parks just about an hour or so north of us.
[04:00:15] <PetefromTn_> Hard not to like ;)
[04:02:36] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[04:04:08] <PetefromTn_> but we have certainly enjoyed camping in the mountains and tubing down the rivers here as well as four wheeling and hiking so I have been fortunate to live in two beautiful places. hehe
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[04:21:38] <Meduza> anyone that have succeeded with installing LinuxCNC on a Asus J1800I-A motherboard, i have a hard time to get it to boot from a USB stick?
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[04:31:47] <bobo__> hay Pete just read the good news , hope you are homeless soon. was wondering if you might think about desigening and solling a Tat cart ? could also include popcorn an hot dogs.
[04:31:58] <bobo__> also
[04:32:57] <bobo__> might come up with a trailer to haul the cart to the beaches
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[04:34:33] <bobo__> mayby a trailer and hitch that would work on a Lambo. what do you think
[04:38:07] <bobo__> Lambo = Lamborghini seems as if the young movers and shakers are trying to figur out how to pay for their lambo
[04:42:57] <PetefromTn_> hell I would be happy with a little sportscar you can keep the lambo LOL
[04:43:53] <PetefromTn_> https://www.kauffmantire.net/prodimg/goodyear-wrangler-duratrc-group-large.png Got some of these bad boys for the wife's trooper today ;) I think I wanna trade cars now
[04:52:16] <bobo__> so are we going to be allowed to come by and visit ? we = Mr Jymmm an Mr zeeshan an me with the cat an others
[04:53:07] <PetefromTn_> well I dunno Jymm kinda scares the shit outta me to be honest ;)
[04:53:20] <Jymmm> Boo
[04:53:35] <PetefromTn_> woah ya see he scared me again
[04:53:54] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: So, you homeless or what?
[04:53:57] <zeeshan|2> bobo :O
[04:54:10] <zeeshan|2> i will never allow Jymmm to visit :D
[04:54:11] <PetefromTn_> workin' on it :D
[04:54:26] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Got a bid?
[04:54:29] <PetefromTn_> we had an offer on the house a bit lowball
[04:54:37] <PetefromTn_> so we are going to counter offer tomorrow
[04:54:46] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Congrats, hope it pans out
[04:54:47] <PetefromTn_> hopefully we can meet somewhere in the middle
[04:54:55] <PetefromTn_> thanks man we are hoping so
[04:55:12] <PetefromTn_> at the end of the day it is gonna be tight no matter how it goes for us
[04:55:43] <PetefromTn_> getting the house sold, paying to move all our schtuff down there and finding a new home that is suitable for our price is gonna be a bitch for sure
[04:55:54] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: tents in florida are cheap
[04:56:16] <PetefromTn_> was just looking on realtor .com at the homes available in our price range luckily there seems to be quite a few decent looking ones.
[04:56:45] <bobo__> could you ask ssi about temp storing stuff and mach's around his area
[04:57:01] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Just get there (FL), rent someplace cheap and then you'll have time to breath while looking for a new home
[04:57:14] <PetefromTn_> Jymm that is certainly an option
[04:57:41] <PetefromTn_> I don't really want to spend too much time storing the machines somewhere tho that gets expensive.
[04:57:51] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: No streesing because you're feeling rushed, etc
[04:58:01] <PetefromTn_> it would be nice tho
[04:58:10] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: get a shipping container maybe?
[04:58:22] <PetefromTn_> I don't think the cinci would fit in one
[04:58:23] <Jymmm> find some yard to store it in
[04:58:44] <Jymmm> buy two 20ft continers
[04:58:52] <Jymmm> put house stuff in there too
[04:59:05] <Jymmm> just ideas
[04:59:10] <PetefromTn_> sure
[04:59:38] <PetefromTn_> If they accept our counter offer I am going to have a TON of stuff to do and figure out
[04:59:55] <Jymmm> you half packed already?
[04:59:57] <PetefromTn_> we also have a showing tomorrow for another realtor
[05:00:02] <PetefromTn_> hell no LOL
[05:00:14] <bobo__> could you rent a semi trailer ? ask ssi
[05:00:15] <PetefromTn_> we have not even started packing yet because we don't have it sold yet.
[05:00:33] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: how will you move the mill?
[05:00:49] <PetefromTn_> It would be nice to be able to pay a pro to move the machine down there at least the Cinci
[05:00:57] <zeeshan|2> prolly expensive
[05:01:12] <PetefromTn_> but I was thinking of doing it myself and renting someones dually and a flatbed trailer or something
[05:01:13] <zeeshan|2> howd you get it to your place?
[05:01:22] <PetefromTn_> it was not far away
[05:01:25] <bobo__> zeeshans mach moving co
[05:01:35] <zeeshan|2> bobo__: dont mention mach
[05:01:36] <zeeshan|2> thank u
[05:01:41] <PetefromTn_> I paid a rollback wrecker to move it
[05:01:44] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Not machinery, but it would have been cheaper for us to have a company move our shit instead of renting a 26f truck like we did AND had to make two trips.
[05:01:44] <zeeshan|2> i hate anything with tor
[05:01:47] <zeeshan|2> or mach in it
[05:01:47] <zeeshan|2> :P
[05:01:49] <PetefromTn_> only cost me like 75 bucks LOL
[05:01:55] <zeeshan|2> lol PetefromTn_nice
[05:02:15] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/4IgJKzy.jpg
[05:02:17] <zeeshan|2> like my setup?
[05:03:12] <PetefromTn_> looks fine to me but I figured you would be doing a two sided setup and then rotate 90the other way for the holes
[05:03:45] <bobo__> zeeshan hope to see a Y-Tube on how you digitized that
[05:04:05] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: this was less machining time
[05:04:09] <zeeshan|2> but more setup
[05:04:47] <zeeshan|2> if only i had an overarm for the mikron :(
[05:05:01] <PetefromTn_> if you only had a five axis ;)
[05:05:04] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[05:05:55] <bobo__> ask sync about a overarm ?
[05:05:59] <PetefromTn_> I just need a nice 3/2/2 in PSL hopefully with a pool for a decent price LOL
[05:06:12] <zeeshan|2> 3/2/2?
[05:06:47] <bobo__> the Euro is about $1.09 or less
[05:06:49] <PetefromTn_> 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom, 2 car garage LOL
[05:06:58] <zeeshan|2> ah
[05:07:09] <PetefromTn_> 4/3/2 would work too LOL
[05:08:07] <PetefromTn_> would be sweet to find a house with a nice big shop behind it too hehehe
[05:09:45] <PetefromTn_> well I better get my butt to bed got a big day tomorrow. Crossing fingers here. Good night folks!
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[05:12:12] <zeeshan|2> good luck!
[05:13:18] <bobo__> zeeshan how did the job interagation go ? worth while or just some HR looking to kick tires
[05:13:50] <zeeshan|2> not sure bobo
[05:13:52] <zeeshan|2> havent heard abck
[05:14:02] <zeeshan|2> but my current work is opening a full time position that im interested in
[05:14:18] <zeeshan|2> the place i went to, took 3 weeks to call me for a second interview
[05:14:21] <bobo__> go for it
[05:14:21] <zeeshan|2> so im not sure whats up :P
[05:15:22] <bobo__> eation ? will be around for a while
[05:15:47] <bobo__> who knows about others
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[05:17:10] <zeeshan|2> thats true :P
[05:17:12] <zeeshan|2> i do like eaton
[05:17:25] <zeeshan|2> just wish the work had more calculations :P
[05:17:27] <zeeshan|2> and strength analysis
[05:20:13] <zeeshan|2> its quiet in here :P
[05:20:48] <bobo__> yes - well you have seen how the grass always seems greener on the wrong side of the fence so to say
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[05:22:15] <bobo__> and I say that green grass always has the crap mowed out of it
[05:24:06] <zeeshan|2> lol
[05:34:36] <bobo__> zeeshn what's doing with your friend's deckel ? spindle still not working ?
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[05:35:32] <bobo__> zeeshan ^^
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[05:44:16] <zeeshan|2> not sure
[05:44:28] <zeeshan|2> i meet him tommo
[05:44:33] <zeeshan|2> ill get updates
[05:44:41] <zeeshan|2> its sleep time!
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[08:14:31] <Kucharsky> Hello guys, I'm in the middle of plowing through linuxcnc documentation (plan to read it all). Can someone explain me this part (i quote):
[08:14:52] <Kucharsky> ""PNCconf is made to help build configurations that utilize specific Mesa Anything I/O products.
[08:14:52] <Kucharsky>
[08:14:52] <Kucharsky> It can configure closed loop servo systems or hardware stepper systems. It uses a similar wizard approach as Stepconf (used for software stepping, parallel port driven systems).
[08:15:33] <Kucharsky> so if I'm using parport and sending step/dir signals to leadsine stepper drive
[08:15:34] <Kucharsky>
[08:15:50] <Kucharsky> does it count as hardware stepping or software stepping
[08:17:50] <Kucharsky> If it software, what counts as hardware stepping - I mean with hardware stepping what is L.cnc actually sending to output pins if not step dir signals?
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[08:18:46] <archivist> software, parallel port is often setup with stepconf
[08:19:33] <archivist> hardware means an fpga is creating the step signal
[08:19:45] <Kucharsky> I see
[08:20:37] <Kucharsky> and what is linux cnc sendin to such fpga card when it wants to move axes?
[08:20:51] <Kucharsky> also step dirs?
[08:21:06] <archivist> a number , how many steps etc
[08:21:38] <Kucharsky> ok i see
[08:22:20] <Kucharsky> archivist: thank you
[08:22:56] <archivist> I have stepper systems at the moment
[08:23:23] <Kucharsky> hardware or software driven?
[08:23:40] <archivist> software
[08:25:30] <Kucharsky> I've been doing l.cnc reaserch on and off for last few months never had possibility to acutally play with any hardware - kids, wife, small apartametn, work
[08:26:12] <Kucharsky> but this stuff is so fascination that I'm not gonna give up this time
[08:26:13] <archivist> I lurked in here for about 6 months to a year before my first machine was up and running
[08:26:45] <Kucharsky> yeah, good place to find help fast this channel
[08:26:55] <Kucharsky> where are U from?
[08:27:43] <archivist> England
[08:28:01] <Kucharsky> I'm from Poland, warsaw
[08:28:40] <Kucharsky> lot's of P. folks up there in your country I guess ;)
[08:29:37] <archivist> yup
[08:30:02] <Kucharsky> Few weeks ago I managed to buy used rexreoth linear systems with ac servos
[08:30:04] <Kucharsky> http://olx.pl/oferta/frezarka-stol-krzyzowy-CID619-IDcVng1.html#b30b2a990a
[08:30:18] <Kucharsky> so this is gonna be the base of my machine
[08:31:00] <Kucharsky> finally made big commitment to cnc project so I guess U'll be seeing me here quite often
[08:31:18] <archivist> with servos it is better to go with a mesa card
[08:31:32] <Kucharsky> You're right
[08:31:55] <Kucharsky> but beyond my reach right now
[08:32:32] <Kucharsky> so plan to go easy and simple for now, ant when I learn sth i'll play with servos and more expensive hardware
[08:32:52] <Kucharsky> and (not ant _) ;)
[08:41:07] <enleth> Kucharsky: I'm converting a Bridgeport to linuxcnc right now in Warsaw, drop me a line if you'd like to visit the place
[08:48:01] <Kucharsky> enleth: dropped you priv message
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[09:58:35] <Kucharsky> Did linuxcnc moved from ubuntu to debinan based distro in 2.7.x release?
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[10:13:10] <XXCoder> think so?
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[10:36:52] <maxcnc> norning from Germany
[10:37:03] <XXCoder> hey from usa
[10:38:09] <maxcnc> im wonce more in trouble with the mesa as the PC dident startet again
[10:42:02] <maxcnc> Xxcoder do you got a mesa system
[10:42:11] <XXCoder> nope
[10:42:14] <XXCoder> no reason to.
[10:42:20] <maxcnc> ;-)
[10:45:57] <malcom2073> Morning
[10:46:02] <maxcnc> pcw is not up this tome as he is in far west of me
[10:46:20] <maxcnc> someone else here with a 5i25
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[11:18:23] <hiroshima5> does anyone know how to call halrun from a python script
[11:18:43] <hiroshima5> ???
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[11:23:01] <Deejay> moin
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[12:03:25] <Frank__> guys how do i know if my tap tool is hand or machine type?
[12:03:59] <Sync> if it is spiral fluted it is a machine tap
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[12:06:52] <Frank__> only type? cuz im reading a pdf where it is messing up my mind haha
[12:06:58] <Frank__> http://www.threadtools.com/Files/Taps%20technical%20info.pdf
[12:08:35] <Frank__> i want to tap with power drill
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[12:12:19] <archivist> is the flute a spiral, or is the cutting edge a spiral/angle
[12:12:54] <archivist> a straight flute is generally a hand tap
[12:14:44] <archivist> I am ignoring thread forming taps, these do not cut
[12:16:30] <Frank__> the cutting edge looks straight
[12:16:46] <archivist> then hand tap as your pdf shows
[12:16:46] <Frank__> and i have another one which has a slith bow
[12:17:01] <Frank__> slight
[12:17:11] <Frank__> this one
[12:17:12] <Frank__> http://www.erbus.com.ar/index.php/retusin/machos/machos-hss/item/201-machos-hss
[12:17:33] <archivist> hand
[12:17:56] <Frank__> this one is the machine?
[12:17:56] <Frank__> http://www.uranga.com/MACHOS_HSS/Metrica_GruesaM/iso529_canal_recto_pe_mrp.pdf
[12:19:08] <archivist> that is spiral point, a machine tap, the chips go forward into the hole
[12:19:51] <Frank__> i see
[12:20:13] <Frank__> hope they have varaiety in my local shop
[12:20:40] <archivist> spiral flute pulls the chips back outside but is less strong (for blind holes)
[12:21:10] <Frank__> my holes are all open
[12:21:47] <Frank__> hiwin uses coarse thread right?
[12:21:58] <Frank__> or no idea?
[12:22:15] <archivist> whatever the docs say
[12:22:27] <ReadError> Frank__ threads in the blocks?
[12:22:57] <Frank__> yes
[12:23:06] <Frank__> they just say m6-m8
[12:23:09] <Frank__> m8x8
[12:23:15] <Frank__> 8mm deep?
[12:24:24] <Frank__> booy i cant decide between tapping or nuts
[12:25:31] <ReadError> hmm mine are m6 but I dont have any m6 screws to test
[12:25:49] <ReadError> I imagine its the regular pitch
[12:26:08] <Frank__> regular means coarse right?
[12:26:22] <Frank__> np i cant test them
[12:26:44] <Frank__> thanks guys
[12:27:01] <Frank__> for the rails it depends on the bolts i buy right?=
[12:27:08] <jthornton> yuck it'
[12:27:10] <Frank__> coarse better for tapping?
[12:27:14] <jthornton> s all white outside
[12:28:25] <ReadError> Frank__ I used m5 screws on that
[12:28:33] <ReadError> and m5 tslot nuts
[12:29:10] <Frank__> sorry for spaming with stupid questions, but the allen screws that go to the rail, should be hardened? or its the same thing?
[12:29:28] <Frank__> no problems with breaking the tap?
[12:29:58] <ReadError> hmm you shouldnt need to thread the rail
[12:30:08] <ReadError> just the material you attach it to
[12:30:30] <Frank__> not the rail the steel structure threads
[12:30:47] <Frank__> i guess regular ones do the job
[12:30:55] <Frank__> they dont specify anything on the pdf
[12:31:30] <ReadError> sorry i guess im confused :(
[12:32:17] <Frank__> haha its fine, thanks anyway sometimes i get a little too much into details that dont really matter i guess
[12:32:25] <Frank__> (read first machine ever)
[12:40:19] * Loetmichel is really getting gray these days... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16122&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
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[12:52:39] <Frank__> ok i know im really annoying but can i make one little question? pdf hiwin 25mm rail says bolts of m6x20 with that lenght of the bolt only 7mm would be in the actual thread of the structure, is that ok? or i should order something like m6x25?
[12:52:44] <Frank__> thanks
[12:53:28] <ReadError> i have the 'wide' ones
[12:54:06] <ReadError> but i imagine you need to size the screws for the material you are attaching + depth you can screw in
[12:54:40] <Frank__> its mild steel i have about 3/4inch of material to drill and tap if i want
[12:54:41] <archivist> the main strength of a screw is in about the first n turns depending on diameter etc
[12:55:02] <Frank__> i should buy a spiral tap and make a blind hole right?
[12:55:05] <Frank__> much less hassle
[12:55:19] <Frank__> than drilling about 15mm of steel times 100
[12:55:49] <archivist> drill through and no possibility of problems
[12:55:55] <Frank__> besides i read that the actual cutting availability of the tap is 1.5xdiamter
[12:56:03] <Frank__> ok
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[12:56:18] <Frank__> and tap half or a little more right?
[12:56:35] <Frank__> :D
[12:56:36] <Frank__> sry
[12:56:43] <archivist> all the way and the screw will not bind
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[12:58:22] <Frank__> As always. Thanks!
[12:58:23] <ReadError> Frank__ why tap the 3/4 steel if you have threads in the block?
[12:58:44] <ReadError> seems like it would be a lot easier/faster to just drill the steel
[12:58:53] <Frank__> which block? i have hiwin linear guides that need to be bolted down to structure
[12:59:09] <ReadError> the hiwin block
[12:59:11] <Frank__> ohhh
[12:59:17] <Frank__> now im talking about the rail :D
[12:59:29] <archivist> ReadError, has had an error in reading :)
[12:59:59] <Frank__> hahah its my fault, at this point everyone just wants me to shut up!!
[13:00:05] <Frank__> haha
[13:00:11] <ReadError> hmm my rail came w/ holes drilled
[13:00:16] <archivist> measure three times drill once
[13:00:38] <archivist> he is drilling the steel the rail is being fixed too
[13:00:40] <Frank__> yes teh rails, but the surface to which your mounting them im drilling
[13:01:18] <ReadError> ahhh
[13:01:24] <Frank__> i almost make a superbowl size ups, i was going to drill m8 holes and the rails wants m6
[13:01:57] <Frank__> 5mm hole for tapping m6 coarse right? ill check np
[13:05:49] <Frank__> boy now that i think of it, i send it to machine and in the plans i specified 6.8mm holes for the m8 rails and they are m6!!!!! luckily they didnt drilled anything cuz they are lazy. that bullet passed reaaaaally closeeee
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[14:10:59] <maxcnc> Hi
[14:11:54] <maxcnc> pcw_home: is there a issue on 5V v 3,3v pci with the 5i25 can i do somthing on this in bios ?
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[14:17:22] <maxcnc> hiroshima5: did you read that about python hal
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/common/python-interface.html
[14:22:09] <enleth> my Mesa order finally passed the customs
[14:22:23] <enleth> I hate those morons
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[14:28:12] <maxcnc> enleth: then the work starts
[14:28:27] <enleth> I still have to receive it
[14:28:44] <maxcnc> with a dauther or stand alone
[14:28:56] <enleth> 6i25+7i77
[14:29:04] <maxcnc> hard stuff
[14:29:25] <enleth> suits the machine
[14:29:28] <maxcnc> im always fighting on 5i25 and 7i76
[14:29:37] <maxcnc> from mashine to mashine
[14:29:59] <enleth> I think it's going to stay with the iron
[14:31:31] <maxcnc> pcw im going to try this
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/39-pncconf/27699-pc-won-t-boot-with-5i25-in-1-of-2-avail-pci-slots?limitstart=0
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[14:31:48] <maxcnc> it has the same issue maybe the 15W use is the problem
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[14:33:42] <maxcnc> i will clean all pci as well
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[14:35:05] <maxcnc> im off til later
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[14:53:47] <pcw_home> There just seem to be some MBs that dont like the 5I25
[14:53:49] <pcw_home> (but its much less than 1% of MBs and they seem to be hard to get so I haven't been able to repeat the problem here)
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[16:07:42] <Erant> pcw_home: I seem to have a problem with my drives that prevent me from hooking up the RS232 and the 5I25 + 7I78 at the same time. The drives just straight up refuse to power on.
[16:08:12] <Erant> It's not anything I'm particularly worried about becuse I only need the RS232 for programming, but I'm curious as to why that would happen.
[16:08:29] <Erant> The RS232 is hooked up to the same PC as the the 5i25.
[16:09:13] <Erant> My theory was differing ground potentials, but that seems... unlikely.
[16:10:34] <CaptHindsight> Erant: what "drives"? Hard drives? SSD or mechanical? And what exactly happens or doesn't happen?
[16:11:47] <CaptHindsight> how is the RS232 port attached to the mainboard? Integrated, PCI, PCIe etc?
[16:11:48] <Erant> My servo drives.
[16:11:57] <Erant> Integrated onto mobo.
[16:12:44] <CaptHindsight> you have to post a wiring diagram and pictures of the system for us to start analyzing
[16:13:30] <CaptHindsight> JT started a thread about a wiring issue and it when one for weeks, it might still be going :)
[16:13:38] <CaptHindsight> one/on
[16:13:49] <pcw_home> maybe the drives have a problem if the RS-232 and step/dir grounds are commoned
[16:14:48] <Erant> Yeah, I will. It's a fairly dead-simple diagram though. STEP/DIR/GND are wired to the 7i78, step and dir are diff pair, two conductors for GND. RS232 is, well, RS232. :)
[16:15:33] <Erant> Yeah, maybe. It's not a huge concern, the only thing I'm worried about is if the problem re-occurs with RS485.
[16:15:41] <Erant> Which is what they use for error reporting.
[16:16:16] <Erant> I was just reminded of the problem when you mentioned some MBs don't like the 5i25.
[16:17:18] <Erant> Need to hook up my spindle first anyway.
[16:17:20] <pcw_home> thats pretty rare though (maybe 5 MBs total)
[16:17:46] <Erant> Which probably means they're not compliant with the PCI spec.
[16:17:50] <pcw_home> (and we have ~5K 5I25s sold)
[16:18:18] <pcw_home> sometimes a BIOS upgrade fixes it
[16:18:29] <Erant> Definitely non-compliance.
[16:18:32] <CaptHindsight> more likely that those MB's are not compliant
[16:18:44] <CaptHindsight> or poorly designed
[16:19:32] <Erant> Yah.
[16:19:43] <Erant> What's the usual interface for a spindle btw?
[16:19:52] <CaptHindsight> designing motherboards is not for the faint of heart, yet most are made by the 1000 monkeys approach
[16:20:08] <CaptHindsight> they keep revising until it passes enough tests
[16:20:08] <pcw_home> hard to tell since most are old enough and hard to get that I cannot reproduce it here
[16:20:20] <CaptHindsight> vs just having a few people do it right
[16:20:21] <Erant> They take the reference design, mostly.
[16:20:43] <CaptHindsight> they take 1000 noobs and make a board
[16:20:59] <CaptHindsight> vs 1-2 old/experienced people
[16:21:46] <Erant> I have a brushless spindle with a driver board that interfaces to a pot and drives a little LCD. I was going to go reverse engineer it this week and see where to hook in.
[16:22:06] <Erant> Am I looking for encoder/HAL output plus -10/+10v inputs?
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[17:43:22] <andypugh> I was idly musing about the gearbox on my lathe today, and it occurred to me that it’s not the best design it coule be.
[17:43:25] <andypugh> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U4TvtLOSLFo/VpgtjpfE9WI/AAAAAAAAGNM/puSPkIebEaQ/s1600/IMG_2302.jpg
[17:44:25] <andypugh> There are two clutches, one for each of the two speeds, and a brake on the back.
[17:44:54] <cradek> the clutches together could brake
[17:45:13] <andypugh> If they had put the 1:1 on the input side and the 6:1 on the output then the low-speed clutch would only see input torque. As it is, it sees output (6x) torque.
[17:45:38] <cradek> hmm!
[17:46:19] <andypugh> You agree?
[17:47:23] * cradek squints
[17:47:37] <archivist> er not at the moment
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[17:49:46] <andypugh> Also, sets of 105/63 gears would have been more compact and had a hunting tooth.
[17:50:31] <archivist> in is bottom right?
[17:50:35] <andypugh> Yes
[17:51:12] <archivist> 1:1 left to right top gear pair?
[17:51:41] <andypugh> If the 144 gear was behind the output pulley, and the 24 was on the left of it, with the 84:84 on the inpout side?
[17:52:14] <andypugh> 1:1 is straight-through, right clutch engaged.
[17:52:36] <andypugh> 6:1 is left then right, left clutch engaged.
[17:53:02] <archivist> it is a bit odd, brake should be upper right too
[17:54:32] <andypugh> Ah well, it is what it is, and it worked for 45 years so far :-)
[17:55:07] <archivist> I was about to say...methinks someone is going to do some more pattern aking
[17:55:37] <andypugh> Not this time, though I thought about pattern-making for the variator-replacement mounting bracket
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[17:56:11] <archivist> it is looking clean for its age in the box
[17:57:15] <andypugh> The variator was pretty nice inside too, compared to others on t’intenet. Almopst entirley unsullied by oil was part of it, though.
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[17:58:37] <archivist> I need to find a vfd that can handle a two speed motor to get the schaublin lathe running, or change the motor
[17:59:10] <andypugh> As long as you turn off the drive before switching speeds it should look just like a normal motor?
[17:59:43] <archivist> normal 440 motor rather than a 220 delta
[18:00:32] <archivist> a real inverter needed rather than plain vfd
[18:00:33] <andypugh> Ah, right, so you need a 440V VFD?
[18:01:12] <andypugh> One option is to cobble together some rectifiers and big second-hand caps and make a Delon doubler, and feed the VFD on DC.
[18:01:24] <andypugh> (Many have an ibout fore a shared DC bus)
[18:01:25] <archivist> I did try one of the vfd's on it, slow and vfd faulted
[18:01:59] <andypugh> (Err, an input for a shared DC bus)
[18:02:30] <CaptHindsight> 440V 400Hz 3 phase motor?
[18:02:59] <archivist> 440v 50hz
[18:03:04] <CaptHindsight> ah
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[18:04:38] <Loetmichel> just wanted to say "which plane/ship did you scavenge?"
[18:05:07] <CaptHindsight> has anyone had problems with their Chinese 1.5-2.2kw spindle water leaking from the spindle body?
[18:05:36] <ssi> wat
[18:05:45] <CaptHindsight> water leaking / leaking <---> water
[18:06:17] <CaptHindsight> wondering if the water cooled spindles leak at the body
[18:06:51] <andypugh> Do ypou have a leaky one, or is this just a worry?
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[18:09:14] <CaptHindsight> I haven't ordered any yet. Wonder what the experience has been with others who might have.
[18:09:31] <CaptHindsight> not sure how crappy they are
[18:10:02] <CaptHindsight> I always derate
[18:10:43] <CaptHindsight> but you really can't work around poorly made and leaky
[18:11:39] <CaptHindsight> I'm just spinning stuff with no cutting forces
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[18:16:29] <maxcnc> hi ;-)
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[18:17:47] <maxcnc> pcw_home: thanks for the info
[18:18:16] <maxcnc> i woudt like to get my coustomer a other mothereboard what woudt you request for a cheep 5i25 use
[18:19:07] <ReadError> maxcnc heard good about the j1900
[18:19:34] <JT-Shop> I just ordered a j1900 to replace the on on the bp
[18:19:37] <pcw_home> j1800, J1900 are good for fanless
[18:19:58] <ReadError> newegg had/has some j1800's on sale for 25$ after rebate
[18:20:11] <ReadError> (if you are in the USA anyways)
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[18:20:25] <maxcnc> im in germany
[18:20:36] <maxcnc> its a ATX case
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[18:21:40] <JT-Shop> I wonder if my MB could be part of the BP problem, it is a bit flaky and doesn't always boot up
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[18:22:16] <ReadError> I need to completely rebuild my linuxcnc box in the basement
[18:22:32] <ReadError> get it over to an SSD, still running 2.5.0 too heh
[18:22:39] <pcw_home> for fast I really like the AsRock H97M Pro4 +G32XX CPU
[18:23:23] <maxcnc> 1x PCIe 2.0 does this fit the 5i25
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[18:23:44] <pcw_home> 6I25 needed for PCIE
[18:23:50] <maxcnc> as you recomendet the J1900 mITX
[18:24:06] <maxcnc> thats why i said the 5i25 is in stock and coustem owned
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[18:24:33] <pcw_home> If you dont need mini-itx its easier to find J1800/1900s with PCI
[18:24:39] <maxcnc> its a miss on powrup at the fujitsu
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[18:25:29] <gregcnc> interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-lgrLu0EN8
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[18:27:35] <maxcnc> i will go for the j1800
[18:28:49] <ReadError> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135393
[18:28:57] <ReadError> i grabbed that when ordering the j1900
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[18:29:06] <ReadError> for 25$ after the rebate doesnt hurt to have a spare
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[18:29:34] <ReadError> my d525 is still kicking along though
[18:31:49] <maxcnc> pcw_home: i find boards J1800 from asus biostar and Msi are talking on asus ?
[18:34:12] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132104
[18:34:13] <pcw_home> is one with PCI and mini-ITX size
[18:35:10] <pcw_home> the intel 3xxx CPUS are replacing the J1800/1900s but not sure they are supported by the normal kernels shipped with linuxcnc
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[18:37:15] <maxcnc> the Asus J1800 is suported
[18:37:21] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128698
[18:37:22] <pcw_home> another Mini-itx sized MB with PCI
[18:37:25] <maxcnc> so i will stay with it
[18:37:36] <pcw_home> yes j1800,1900 are supported
[18:37:50] <maxcnc> 2.5 also
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[18:40:06] <pcw_home> lucid (10.04) based linuxcnc will not work with J1800,1900s
[18:40:28] <pcw_home> linuxcnc version doesn't matter, kernel does
[18:40:53] <pcw_home> (lucid will boot but no USB)
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[18:42:50] <JT-Shop> I ordered one of those yesterday
[18:43:46] <JT-Shop> I just noticed the memory is laptop type... I think I have a pair of them from a dead mb
[18:46:08] <maxcnc> so i cand use it
[18:46:28] <maxcnc> a board with 10.04 and pci atx
[18:46:54] <maxcnc> i got no more IBM a50s all on mashines
[18:47:15] <maxcnc> they got 5V pci only and run the 5i25 perfect
[18:47:34] <maxcnc> i also got araound 50 fujitsu P5915
[18:48:03] <maxcnc> noone is able to boot with the 5i25 on the first attempt
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[18:48:21] <maxcnc> you need daylie to remove the 5i25
[18:48:28] <maxcnc> and replug it
[18:48:36] <maxcnc> then it runs the hole day
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[18:48:43] <maxcnc> whole ;-)
[18:49:15] <maxcnc> the d525Mw got no sata on it
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[18:50:14] <maxcnc> oh i see there are sata on it no IDE i thought
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[18:52:17] <maxcnc> ReadError: Can you confirm that it has sata ports
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[18:59:57] <FloppyDisk> http://detail.1688.com/offer/1156055837.html M - sata1, N - sata0 (need to scroll down a bit...)
[19:00:44] <FloppyDisk> my harddrive connects via sata cables.
[19:02:43] <maxcnc> Thanks
[19:03:02] <FloppyDisk> sorry about the chinese, was the first link I could find, serves it purpose...
[19:08:53] <maxcnc> i8m off
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[19:10:06] <thesaint>
[19:16:16] <andypugh> short on specs and details, but one of these in the garage would be nice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ozjI6PV6zA
[19:21:53] <Akex_> andypugh: do you have the price ?
[19:22:27] <andypugh> I doubt I could earn the price before retirement.
[19:23:30] <andypugh> But it could make really shiny Yodas
[19:23:41] <gregcnc> probably approaches 1MUSD
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[19:35:11] <Akex_> Ah just 100years for buy it ;)
[19:36:52] <gregcnc> andypugh, what's the ~Ø of the ball variator in the Holbrook?
[19:41:33] <CaptHindsight> anything 3D Systems is way overpriced and doesn't work as promised
[19:41:58] <CaptHindsight> the recently tossed out their CEO as well for being a lying pile of duche
[19:42:32] <JT-Shop> after owning the DuoMite bender I just figured out how to make centered hooks with it... I finally read the instructions lol
[19:46:40] <_methods> is it any good?
[19:47:16] <_methods> you have the 5000?
[19:47:59] <JT-Shop> I think so all the options and parts start with a 5
[19:48:07] <JT-Shop> yea it is pretty good
[19:48:26] <JT-Shop> it's a 50000
[19:48:33] <_methods> i like that
[19:48:40] <_methods> nice and small
[19:50:02] <_methods> might have to copy that
[19:50:07] <_methods> i need a little bender like that
[19:51:51] <_methods> i see some versions with a thumb wheel and some with a destaco
[19:52:10] <JT-Shop> the key is the jaw is cut back to make the centered hook
[19:52:16] <_methods> does the thumb wheel tigten on the work piece?
[19:52:31] <JT-Shop> the big wheel at the back
[19:52:35] <_methods> yeah
[19:52:59] <_methods> i can't find many good pictures of it's design online
[19:54:32] <_methods> i've lookin for good prints on like a diacro knockoff for awhile
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[19:57:30] <CaptHindsight> I've been tempted to build a Linuxcnc controlled wire bender, but I'd only need it up a few times a year
[19:57:32] <_methods> think i'm going to do this one though
[19:57:34] <_methods> http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/news/13/newsletter1306.pdf#page=5
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[19:59:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Buffalo-Tools-Space-Saver-Metal-Bender/42944221 heh
[20:00:01] <_methods> doesn't harbor fright sell one like that
[20:00:29] <_methods> harbor fright = walmart????????
[20:00:37] <CaptHindsight> edge roller
http://www.walmart.com/ip/40891472?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227028439716&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=61178395929&wl4=&wl5=pla&wl6=96567857769&veh=sem
[20:01:00] <CaptHindsight> looks like Walmart.com is starting to just carry everything
[20:02:28] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if in 10 years all you'll be able to do is search at google, amazon or walmart.com
[20:02:39] <_methods> lol
[20:02:42] <_methods> just like it is now?
[20:03:24] <_methods> once trump/palin take office the possibilities are endless
[20:03:34] <SpeedEvil> That is not 'carried' by walmart. It's a third party
[20:03:36] <CaptHindsight> GooAmaMart
[20:03:54] <CaptHindsight> yeah, lots of 3rd parties on walmart.com now
[20:04:07] <CaptHindsight> like newegg and others
[20:04:08] <_methods> gotta compete with amazon
[20:04:34] <CaptHindsight> even Amazon has links to non amazon sales
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[20:05:07] <CaptHindsight> get yer Brawndo at buyshit.com
[20:05:22] <_methods> hehe
[20:05:55] <CaptHindsight> even ebay has non ebay ads on the bottom of the pages
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[20:09:24] <aventtini6> hello guys
[20:10:25] <_methods> i search for diy radial bender and i get nothing but pinterest links..............
[20:10:41] <_methods> i had no idea welders/fabricators were so active on pinterest
[20:10:52] <_methods> more reasons to hate 'ders
[20:12:10] <malcom2073> ugh pinterest
[20:12:15] <_methods> yes
[20:12:21] <malcom2073> Its like the instructables of the crafting world
[20:12:24] <_methods> the illegitimate child of instructables
[20:12:28] <malcom2073> Haha
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[20:13:05] <_methods> that one time instructables too much ghb and got raped at a frat party
[20:13:28] <malcom2073> I use pinterest like I use instructables: To get a basic idea before I look up how to *Actually* do things
[20:13:46] <_methods> i can't even look at pinterest anymore some crazy window pops up
[20:13:50] <_methods> and blocks half the page
[20:13:57] <malcom2073> Yeah, I think they made it so you have to join now
[20:14:02] <malcom2073> so I just use google to browse the images heh
[20:14:05] <_methods> like they want me to join or something insane like htat
[20:14:15] <_methods> yeah that's what i'm doing
[20:14:23] <malcom2073> You can usually find the origonal content elsewhere anyway since none of it is origonal
[20:14:27] <CaptHindsight> pin trest or pint rest?
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[20:15:46] <JT-Shop> _methods: looks like a fun project to build
[20:15:51] <_methods> yeah
[20:15:51] <CaptHindsight> using twitter would make you a twit sending twits, not tweets, it's not fing tweeter it's twitter
[20:15:59] <JT-Shop> just depends on what your making
[20:16:18] <JT-Shop> the DuoMite is faster I'd bet
[20:16:24] <_methods> it had a lot of nice work in it
[20:16:32] <_methods> big hex
[20:16:33] <JT-Shop> but can't do all of what the other one can
[20:16:34] <_methods> lots of holes
[20:16:42] <_methods> yeah it's pretty simple one
[20:16:46] <_methods> basially all i need
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[20:17:04] <_methods> i might redesign it with some bearings instead of the track though
[20:17:19] <_methods> probably won't pull smooth in with set screws in that race
[20:17:24] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I think they are breaking all those sites in way that force you through some "desired" way to view or search them
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[20:18:16] <_methods> i think there was a nice set of prints out ther for another larger bender i was lookin at before
[20:18:23] <_methods> on some diy motorcycle page or something
[20:18:24] <bobo__> aventtini6 have you gotten the Maho fixed ?
[20:19:08] <_methods> http://www.chopperhandbook.com/bender.htm
[20:19:11] <_methods> that one
[20:19:29] <bobo__> aventtini6 have you gotten the Maho fixed ?
[20:20:26] <bobo__> aventtini6
[20:21:50] <CaptHindsight> _methods:
http://bugmenot.com/view/pintrest.com
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[20:22:06] <_methods> oh shit
[20:22:07] <_methods> nice
[20:22:08] <_methods> thx
[20:22:43] <_methods> oh i guess i could just login with a mailinator setup
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[20:22:57] <CaptHindsight> yeah, what those sites are for
[20:23:10] <_methods> i just get so mad i close the page
[20:23:19] <_methods> logical thinking was disable
[20:25:01] <_methods> ah apparently the correct search term to avoid pinterest pages is to use the actual name for what your looking for
[20:25:15] <_methods> using diy scroll bender got more real results
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[20:25:39] <_methods> i guess searching for metally roundy bendy thingy wasn't a good idea
[20:27:30] <_methods> https://gordsgarage.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/driven-around-the-bend/
[20:27:33] <_methods> interesting design
[20:28:26] <_methods> i like his diy trammel
[20:28:28] <_methods> https://gordsgarage.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/scroll-base-plate.jpg
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[20:30:55] <CaptHindsight> wimp, I would have cut it off the end of a round :)
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[20:32:57] <_methods> heheh
[20:36:35] <CaptHindsight> "I'm a good Chinese business person if you haven't noticed how I cheated you."
[20:37:02] <_methods> bernie madoff?
[20:37:17] <CaptHindsight> what westerners don't understand
[20:37:44] <CaptHindsight> they aren't following their philosophy, not what we might in the west
[20:37:47] <_methods> hell we do the same stuff
[20:38:29] <CaptHindsight> just that we call it being dishonest where they don't have nay negative connotation to it
[20:40:26] <CaptHindsight> I asked a few vendors to send the invoice with DHL or Fedx shipping, after 3 tries they are out
[20:41:06] <CaptHindsight> I asked them all if they can get 100 pcs vs the initial 10 I need right now. Not one gave a straight answer.
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[20:43:18] <CaptHindsight> "you test our quality then order more" is not "yes or no, we can get you 100 more pieces"
[20:43:58] <gregcnc> should be understood as "we sell junk, let's see if you notice"
[20:44:13] <CaptHindsight> you ask question, we send you bowling score
[20:44:29] <CaptHindsight> no matter what question
[20:44:57] <gregcnc> learning mandarin and cantonese would help
[20:45:05] <CaptHindsight> actually they don't see it as junk
[20:45:25] <CaptHindsight> doesn't matter
[20:45:40] <gregcnc> they don't actually care as long as it's good enough to get USD into China
[20:45:49] <CaptHindsight> even if they speak fluent English
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[20:46:32] <CaptHindsight> I used to ask potential partners 4-5 questions in one email and get an answer to maybe one
[20:47:06] <CaptHindsight> and usually it was an answer to what they thought I was trying to "get at" vs what I actually asked
[20:47:34] <gregcnc> I think part of the problem is that some "companies" aren't really. they are just reps of some sort
[20:48:44] <CaptHindsight> and part of the culture and philosophy
[20:48:47] <gregcnc> so many places trying to sell the same product, you could start a new company everyday over there.
[20:49:03] <CaptHindsight> if they have lived at all in the west they get it
[20:49:42] <CaptHindsight> I cam across the same seller on ebay, amazon and aliexpress earlier today
[20:49:56] <CaptHindsight> similar pricing, way different delivery times
[20:49:56] <gregcnc> seen that
[20:50:15] <CaptHindsight> no direct contact info
[20:50:36] <CaptHindsight> sometimes you can search for their own website
[20:50:58] <gregcnc> yeah
[20:51:27] <gregcnc> how are you paying for stuff these days? is it still send a wire and hope?
[20:51:32] <CaptHindsight> ali-whatever blocks direct access like ebay and also intercepts your requests and sends them to whoever must pay them extra to get them
[20:51:54] <CaptHindsight> so basically useless
[20:52:40] <gregcnc> that's why I think they are represented by an agent
[20:52:43] <CaptHindsight> gregcnc: the honest vendors will take <100% with the balance after delivery
[20:52:59] <CaptHindsight> say 50% down and 50% after delivery
[20:53:03] <malcom2073> That's kinda why I like aliexpress, it is escrowed
[20:53:12] <CaptHindsight> they ASK for TT of 100%
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[20:53:37] <CaptHindsight> the problem with aliexpres is that they always favor the vendor if there is a problem
[20:54:20] <CaptHindsight> I usually have someone in China order and pay them
[20:54:27] <CaptHindsight> whole different story then
[20:54:58] <gregcnc> yeah
[20:55:05] <CaptHindsight> but if I ask myself I can weed out the scammers pretty easily
[20:55:20] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Is that anecdotal, or is that documented somewhere?
[20:55:26] <CaptHindsight> they all want 100% up front and won't give you straight answers
[20:55:43] <malcom2073> All my experience thus far with disputes has been great, but personal experience is no subsitute for statistics
[20:55:44] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: what exactly
[20:55:51] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Aliexpress favoring the vendor
[20:56:17] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: I don't use them. What I've heard
[20:56:28] <CaptHindsight> maybe they have gotten better
[20:56:54] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: have you had many disputes?
[20:58:16] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: I've had a couple, maybe 4 in the past few years? Though it's all been cut and dry stuff, like misisng pieces, or items not being as advertized... but in all cases, aliexpress hasn't released funds to the vendor until we both agreed the dispute was setlled
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[21:00:43] <CaptHindsight> today I'm finding motors and drives by Automation Technology for ~1/2 price out of vendors in Los Angeles
[21:01:05] <CaptHindsight> well same pictures and specs
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[22:07:01] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:34:03] <andypugh> gregcnc: Quite big.
[22:34:21] <andypugh> 3.5 - 4in?
[22:34:55] <andypugh> I am embarassed to say that that edge-bender tool is a tool that I don’t know the use of.
[22:35:22] <gregcnc> bigger than it looks even
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[22:40:40] <andypugh> Quite big, very expensive, and retired:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6242003069535317714
[22:45:10] <FloppyDisk> andypugh - impressive! Thanks for sharing.
[22:46:24] <CaptHindsight> he's got lots of stuff there, big castings, gears, balls...
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#
[22:48:56] <_methods> the edge bender?
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[22:49:07] <andypugh> _methods: Aye
[22:49:11] <_methods> the scroll bender?
[22:50:56] <ssi> [A[A
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[22:54:56] <andypugh> FWIW, this is the Variator Variating:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uGYNYR-6SA
[22:55:26] <_methods> weebly wobbling
[22:55:40] <_methods> timey wimeying
[22:56:17] <FloppyDisk> Cool - you had described it in your writeup and I didn't get the adjustment part of it. Now I see:-)
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[22:57:34] <_methods> sounds good
[22:59:32] <Sync> oh haha andypugh that's a nice variator
[22:59:45] <FloppyDisk> I'm no linux guy, but I sure love WinSCP (ssh)...
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[23:03:51] * JT-Shop wonders if I need to move the 7i77 out of the drive cabinet?
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[23:04:50] <andypugh> I am planning to mive my drive out of the controls cabinet. I freed up a load of space just by the motor by taking away the Variagator.
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[23:05:27] <JT-Shop> is that like an old upside down alligator?
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[23:05:51] <andypugh> It’s a multi-speed unit with foliage in two different colours.
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[23:06:14] <FloppyDisk5_25> I do not want to move anything out of anything:-( 2.6 seems to work well enough, maybe I can filter, cable some...
[23:06:27] <JT-Shop> when I ran the nail shop we had Danish machines with disk variators
[23:07:49] <JT-Shop> I'm trying to sort out how to get the probe wire into the cabinet with a plug jack arraignment
[23:08:32] <JT-Shop> can't figure out the key word for the jack that has the contacts that short it out when the plug is removed
[23:08:55] <Tom_itx> din plug
[23:09:02] <XXCoder> lol. just got email from myself. 10 years ago. gonna love futureme.org
[23:09:03] <Tom_itx> oh
[23:09:14] <Tom_itx> i dunno about that
[23:09:19] <Tom_itx> why do you want em shorted?
[23:10:01] <Tom_itx> you could make a dummy plug with a wire between the pins too. that would also keep the connector cleaner
[23:10:14] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: do they option of sending a reply to yourself 10 years ago?
[23:10:22] <XXCoder> nah
[23:10:27] <XXCoder> too bad LOL
[23:10:50] <CaptHindsight> dump yahoo stock
[23:11:06] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: before <bad day>
[23:11:10] <CaptHindsight> people are still stupid
[23:11:25] <JT-Shop> if the probe circuit is open then it thinks the prob is tripped
[23:11:30] <_methods> i finally splurged on a real scribe, what a treat marking stuff now
[23:11:34] <XXCoder> me? "Buy Apple stock, sell before (recent date where stock crashed)
[23:11:42] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, you can't reverse the logic?
[23:11:46] <_methods> i've always just used that little scribe from whatever sq was layin around
[23:11:54] <Tom_itx> err nevermind...
[23:12:12] <Tom_itx> i'd make a dummy plug for it
[23:12:21] <Tom_itx> and use a din plug
[23:12:27] <JT-Shop> yea that is an option
[23:12:35] <JT-Shop> din plug?
[23:12:49] <Tom_itx> http://www.hspcon.com/images/b/bmp-8003-metal-din-assembly-plug.jpg
[23:13:01] <Tom_itx> that's what i put on mine
[23:13:08] <Tom_itx> only 2 pin
[23:13:13] <CaptHindsight> well 10 years, just buy a derivative before 2008
[23:13:29] <CaptHindsight> bet on the market crash
[23:13:41] <JT-Shop> is the shield carried through the case on the din plug?
[23:13:54] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:14:07] <Tom_itx> on those anyway
[23:14:29] <XXCoder> dangers of sign language
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/9/9/5/234995_slide.jpg
[23:14:37] <Tom_itx> my local guy carries them
[23:14:45] <Tom_itx> in 2 to 8 connector iirc
[23:14:45] * _methods gets real scribe to make marking easier then cuts on the wrong side of the scribe line
[23:15:05] <_methods> priceless
[23:15:44] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, the mating part:
http://www.alliedelec.com/images/products/Small/70214556.jpg
[23:18:10] <FloppyDisk5_25> might consider ethernet connectors
http://www.l-com.com/ethernet-cat6a-rj45-coupler-shielded-8x8-panel-mount-style
[23:18:37] <FloppyDisk5_25> Cabling is certainly available, crimpers, and shielded/twisted options.
[23:18:56] <JT-Shop> I have all the tools for rj45 plugs
[23:19:06] <Tom_itx> use em then
[23:19:19] <Tom_itx> those are B-8003 series din connectors
[23:19:50] <JT-Shop> looking for something a bit more chip resistant
[23:20:19] <JT-Shop> can you even get a 2 pole din plug?
[23:20:55] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control7.jpg
[23:21:06] <Tom_itx> they'er pretty resistant i think
[23:21:11] <Tom_itx> yes i can get em locally
[23:21:33] <JT-Shop> nice cabinet
[23:21:40] <Tom_itx> i probably have a pair in the drawer here
[23:23:06] <Tom_itx> i've got several 4 cond i could send you one
[23:23:15] <Tom_itx> just don't use the other pair
[23:23:28] <Tom_itx> they're the same case size
[23:23:41] <JT-Shop> talked me into it
[23:24:05] <Tom_itx> gotta feed
[23:24:09] <JT-Shop> k
[23:24:19] <Tom_itx> send me your addy and i'll send ya one
[23:24:48] <Tom_itx> you'll probably need 2 plugs if you're gona make a dummy
[23:24:53] <JT-Shop> thanks
[23:25:01] <JT-Shop> yea I think so
[23:25:10] <Tom_itx> gimme a day or so
[23:25:25] <JT-Shop> no rush
[23:26:12] <Tom_itx> or if you really wanted 2 cond i can go grab a pair from him
[23:26:35] <JT-Shop> 4 is ok, I can double up for better contact
[23:26:50] <Tom_itx> those go to my steppers
[23:28:34] <JT-Shop> I got a hold to the builder and hes booked out till april
[23:28:44] <JT-Shop> well I have a bit of time to get the ground ready
[23:29:01] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I think the key-word is “Switching jack”
[23:29:03] <andypugh> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/jack-trs-connectors/0449332/
[23:29:05] <andypugh> As a example
[23:29:39] <JT-Shop> thanks
[23:30:09] <andypugh> However this has a lot more style:
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/jack-trs-connectors/0448216/
[23:30:47] <JT-Shop> I'm going to use a din plug Tom has
[23:30:58] <Akex_> andypugh: hy i see your last video variator, do you have a link , for understand how it work please ? I dont know this systeme
[23:31:11] <Akex_> Just scooter variator ;)
[23:31:17] <andypugh> http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/holbrook6.html
[23:32:40] <Akex_> Thx andy
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[23:44:05] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Can’t abide DIN plugs. Ghastly things :-)
[23:44:30] <XXCoder> use molex then ;)
[23:44:38] <XXCoder> or maybe mini molex lol
[23:45:36] <andypugh> I tend to use Lemo or Neutrik Speakon / PoweCON depending on the application.
[23:46:19] <JT-Shop> for a probe input
[23:46:50] <andypugh> My probe uses a 3.5mm jack
[23:48:48] <os1r1s> So upon wiring up a CNC controller, where do you think it would be best to put fuses. 1) AC input 2) Servo driver inputs? Anywhere else?
[23:49:04] <archivist> actually DIN was compared to other types by wireless world, it has a very high contact pressure, very good
[23:50:04] <andypugh> archivist: I just don’t like the nasty fragile bodies. I am sure the contact parts are fine.
[23:50:15] <archivist> the case is crap though
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