#linuxcnc | Logs for 2016-01-08

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[00:00:16] <andypugh> I asume it was a TV company drone, filming the event.
[00:00:43] <cradek> wow, that could have really hurt the guy
[00:00:45] <andypugh> “They don’t so much fly, as plummet”
[00:00:56] <cradek> "please be more careful next time" he says
[00:01:02] <JT-Shop> priority mail from Missouri to Arkansas takes 3 days but it can get from Missouri to New York in 2 days
[00:01:29] <Tom_itx> send it to NY then Ark it will get there overnite
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[00:04:27] <JT-Shop> lol
[00:05:18] <JT-Shop> anyone know where I can get a couple thumb wheel or push wheel switches the kind with 0-9 on them with bcd output
[00:05:47] <andypugh> I know exaactly where. But it would be inconvenient for you
[00:05:49] <jdh> newark, digikey
[00:06:43] <andypugh> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/thumbwheel-switches/4250811/
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[00:07:59] <Tom_itx> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/A7D-106-1/SW279-ND/36132
[00:08:06] <JT-Shop> dang those aer kind of expensive
[00:08:36] <andypugh> If you can wait: http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-22mm-x-8mm-0-9-Digits-8421BCD-Code-Pushwheel-Thumbwheel-Switches-KM1-/371367599784?hash=item56773bdea8:g:YJoAAOSwyQtVkfOG
[00:08:36] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: that's the one I'm looking for thanks
[00:08:54] <andypugh> 51 cents each…
[00:09:35] <JT-Shop> that's the right price
[00:10:02] <JT-Shop> I wonder if aliexpress has some...
[00:10:13] <Tom_itx> i'm sure they do
[00:10:31] <JT-Shop> I'm not in a hurry just automating a band saw
[00:10:50] <Tom_itx> how many digits?
[00:10:56] <Tom_itx> you can get gang switches
[00:11:05] <JT-Shop> 2 digits
[00:11:19] <Tom_itx> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Apem/SMCD131AK2/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtCK2PtucxWuEInvyHgH9so
[00:11:43] <os1r1s> Evening all
[00:12:36] <JT-Shop> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-Black-22mm-x-8mm-0-9-Digits-BCD-Code-Pushwheel-Thumbwheel-Switches-KM1/1983020095.html?spm=2114.031010208.3.98.F3wVGx&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_3,searchweb201644_2_10001_10002_10005_10006_10003_10004_62,searchweb201560_1,searchweb1451318400_6150
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[00:12:58] <JT-Shop> Estimated Delivery Time: 15-39 days (ships out within 3 business days)
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[00:14:28] <JT-Shop> a buddy tried to get me to take a BP home with me today, it's missing a control board
[00:14:44] <Tom_itx> and you said yes?
[00:14:47] <JT-Shop> it's a series two with BP 3 axis CNC
[00:15:03] <JT-Shop> I didn't say no
[00:15:09] <andypugh> Sounds like the sort of stray that might follow you home
[00:15:10] <Tom_itx> manual toolchange?
[00:15:11] <jdh> part out the control?
[00:15:12] <JT-Shop> interac I think
[00:15:27] <JT-Shop> problem is it is R8 spindle
[00:15:44] <andypugh> I am not a fan of R8
[00:15:45] <JT-Shop> need to find a kwik switch spindle for it
[00:16:00] <andypugh> If only you had a lathe.
[00:16:20] <JT-Shop> I have two...
[00:16:25] <andypugh> Right, logging off time.
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[00:16:34] <JT-Shop> goodnight
[00:16:45] <JT-Shop> may the VFD gods be kind to you
[00:21:27] <cradek> JT-Shop: the back of every ancient external scsi disk or tape drive has those, but usually only one. if you have a junk pile, look there
[00:22:55] <JT-Shop> I have lots of computer junk but no scsi disk or tape drive... maybe a tape drive but I don't remember a bcd thumb wheel on it
[00:23:48] <cradek> depending on your user, you could use 3 or 4 toggle switches instead
[00:24:45] <JT-Shop> I thought of that but that would be confusing to a minimum wage worker I'd think
[00:25:14] <JT-Shop> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-Black-22mm-x-8mm-0-9-Digits-BCD-Code-Pushwheel-Thumbwheel-Switches-KM1/1488296146.html?spm=2114.031010208.3.126.er7G3X&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_3,searchweb201644_2_10001_10002_10005_10006_10003_10004_62,searchweb201560_1,searchweb1451318400_6150
[00:25:19] <cradek> yeah, only a programmer (an old one) would think that was clever
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[00:26:20] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pc-Thumbwheel-BCD-Switch-Hampolt-TF31-GTF311221-0-9-Scale-Panel-33x8mm-Taiwan-/140916198633?hash=item20cf428ce9:g:8V8AAMXQ-9hRGQW5
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[00:26:25] <JT-Shop> I thought of holding the stop button in till an led flashed the right number of times but what if worker can't count
[00:27:14] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pc-Thumbwheel-BCD-Switch-Hampolt-TF51-GTF511221-0-9-Scale-Panel-18x6mm-Taiwan-/130849740990?hash=item1e774098be:g:kvsAAMXQ9cpRGRzm
[00:27:37] <Tom_itx> how many do you need?
[00:28:03] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/20pc-Thumbwheel-BCD-Switch-Hampolt-TF41-GTF411221-0-9-Scale-Panel-24x8mm-Taiwan-/140916263667?hash=item20cf438af3:g:jUwAAOxyjzNRGRN2
[00:28:04] <cradek> JT-Shop: yeah that's mystery meat. the number wheels are perfect because how it works is obvious to everyone.
[00:28:05] <Tom_itx> 20 pack
[00:33:28] <JT-Shop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cHB3Rbz1OI
[00:36:00] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: I got a large T shirt today and it fits... I have a closet full of stuff that is too big for me now
[00:38:50] <jdh> cool
[00:39:36] <Tom_itx> yeah that's cool
[00:39:50] <JT-Shop> yea, I'm liking it
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[00:40:05] <Tom_itx> bet you feel better too
[00:40:19] <JT-Shop> 12 pounds to go to get to my targe
[00:40:20] <JT-Shop> t
[00:40:31] <JT-Shop> yes, much better
[00:41:08] <JT-Shop> jdh: you use those padded pants when riding?
[00:41:48] <jdh> yep
[00:41:55] <JT-Shop> I got a cheap pair from local sports store but not impressed
[00:42:09] <jdh> cheap isn't usually good
[00:42:24] <JT-Shop> what are some good ones?
[00:42:52] <jdh> pearl izumi, louis garneau are not overly expensive
[00:43:08] <jdh> assos and rapha if you like to spend $$$
[00:43:36] <JT-Shop> I'm just into it for exercise and fun
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[00:43:52] <JT-Shop> I don't care about a gram or three of extra weight
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[00:44:12] <jdh> local bike store would be better. more than online though
[00:44:51] <JT-Shop> the local bike store doesn't have much for clothes
[00:45:15] <JT-Shop> there is a wild one in Jonesboro that has everything
[00:45:15] <jdh> nashbar, performance bike
[00:45:27] <JT-Shop> http://www.amazon.com/Louis-Garneau-Fit-Sensor-Shorts/dp/B00CHWNTHK
[00:45:45] <Roguish> JT-Shop: check out http://www.bikesomewhere.com/
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[00:46:24] <jdh> nashbar is cheaper. don't get ones too big
[00:47:00] <Roguish> $$ == comfort
[00:47:10] <Roguish> $$$$ ===== more comfort
[00:47:12] <jdh> yep. and I'd get bibs not shorts
[00:47:21] <Roguish> just need to find your threshold
[00:47:29] <JT-Shop> why bibs?
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[00:47:47] <Roguish> I strictly use Castelli
[00:47:51] <jdh> I find them much more comfortable
[00:48:07] <jdh> castelli is not cut for me
[00:48:12] <JT-Shop> http://www.amazon.com/Nashbar-Mansfield-Chamois-Bib-Tights/dp/B005VD5RF4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1452214059&sr=8-4&keywords=nashbar+bibs
[00:49:06] <jdh> I'd go with a real brand
[00:49:13] <JT-Shop> http://www.amazon.com/Castelli-Velocissimo-Short-X-Large-Black/dp/B0076FE1U2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452214109&sr=8-1&keywords=Castelli+bibs
[00:49:30] <JT-Shop> was that a fake brand?
[00:49:52] <jdh> castelli is real, nashbar/mansfield is just oem'ed stuff
[00:49:55] <Roguish> yeah, those are ok.
[00:51:09] <Roguish> not great but will do for a good start. It's all about the crouch insert, what used to be called the chamois
[00:52:54] <Roguish> chafing is not good. leads to saddle sores. inflamed follicles. like sitting on needles. not good. not good at all.
[00:54:11] <Roguish> check these guys out. GCN on youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuTaETsuCOkJ0H_GAztWt0Q
[00:54:40] <Roguish> hysterically funny, and pretty good.
[00:55:03] <jdh> Roguish: what/where do you ride?
[00:55:54] <Roguish> Serotta, steel frame, in SF Bay Area. East Bay, over the hill from Berkeley and Oakland.
[00:56:23] <Sync> I need to dig out my powertap again, it has been sitting for too long
[00:57:07] <Roguish> I have no need for a power meter. would just confirm how weak I am. did a VO2max once. confirmed my mediocrity
[00:57:29] <Roguish> but I like cycling. good exercise, good fun, good company.
[00:57:41] <jdh> I have one, don't use it currently for the same reason
[00:57:42] <JT-Shop> yep, that's why I ride
[00:58:15] <jdh> 6,359 miles last year. 0 so far this year (sick)
[00:58:18] <Sync> I used to do tris a few years ago
[00:58:19] <JT-Shop> the size chart says I need medium! wtf I've not seen that in decades
[00:58:39] <os1r1s> What do you call the power distribution blocks?
[00:58:46] <os1r1s> That you put in a CNC control?
[00:58:50] * JT-Shop heads inside
[00:58:57] <jdh> JT: Med is probably right
[00:59:01] <JT-Shop> power distribution blocks
[00:59:11] <os1r1s> :)
[00:59:15] <JT-Shop> 34" waist 185
[00:59:16] <os1r1s> There isn't a fancy name for it?
[00:59:25] <jdh> med.
[00:59:50] <JT-Shop> goodnight
[01:01:10] <Sync> and in the time trail I'd try to make it say at least 300W
[01:01:31] <jdh> I can do 300, for very short periods
[01:04:13] <Sync> yeah it is hard to keep it up the distance
[01:04:23] <Sync> but oh well
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[01:38:15] <Jymmm> jdh: 300?!
[01:38:22] * Jymmm can do 992 !!!
[01:39:21] <Jymmm> We're talking ounces, right? http://learn.kegerator.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/half_barrel_keg.jpg
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[08:00:10] <Deejay> moin
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[11:19:02] <jthornton> morning
[11:21:26] <Jymmm> Mornin
[11:22:15] <Jymmm> 33F
[11:27:46] <malcom2073> Morning
[11:27:48] <malcom2073> Yeah pretty warm
[11:29:26] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[11:29:34] <XXCoder> I planned to ask you a question but forgot what
[11:30:12] <XXCoder> night all heh 3:30 am here
[11:31:15] <Jymmm> XXCoder: where you at?
[11:31:28] <XXCoder> north of north pole
[11:31:43] <Jymmm> Then that wouldn't be 3:330am
[11:31:59] <XXCoder> actually north pole you can choose what hour
[11:32:20] <XXCoder> all zones meet there basically (besides 2 weird ones)
[11:33:08] <XXCoder> and by definition there IS a place north of north pole too
[11:33:17] <Jymmm> XXCoder: where you at?
[11:33:28] <XXCoder> west washington state heh
[11:33:32] <Jymmm> ah
[11:33:48] <_methods> you live in sedro wooley or something lol
[11:34:22] <XXCoder> no idea what sedrp wooley is.
[11:34:52] <_methods> you must live in southwestern wa then
[11:35:01] <_methods> vancouver trash?
[11:35:07] <XXCoder> nah mid-west washington
[11:35:17] <XXCoder> I used to live at vancouver. glad finally moved out
[11:35:18] <_methods> you mean seattle
[11:35:19] <_methods> lol
[11:35:26] <_methods> yeah vancouver sucks
[11:35:28] <XXCoder> nah bit south of that lol
[11:35:38] <_methods> tacoma land
[11:35:41] <Jymmm> San Diego
[11:35:45] <XXCoder> yeah ta coma land
[11:36:01] <Jymmm> _methods: HE's in San Diego WA
[11:36:03] <XXCoder> better than vancouver still though
[11:36:14] <_methods> gang land lol
[11:36:28] <XXCoder> it was had here in tacoma but now its not bad
[11:36:46] <XXCoder> 90s was bad decade. I lived here in 80s then never was back till 2013
[11:36:46] <Jymmm> ...it's worse?
[11:37:00] <XXCoder> nah just not enough people left
[11:37:05] <XXCoder> so hardly any crime.
[11:37:23] <XXCoder> there must be 8 people.. oh yea that couple. 10 people left now
[11:39:09] <XXCoder> heh seriously though not much crime nowdays
[11:39:18] <XXCoder> tacoma decided to crack down hard in 0s
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[11:42:59] <_methods> "
[11:43:03] <_methods> "crack" down lol
[11:43:19] <_methods> i see what you did there
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[11:45:39] <XXCoder> unintended but yeah
[11:45:43] <XXCoder> crack down on crack
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[11:47:54] <Jymmm> Now 32F
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[12:07:09] <XXCoder> nice and cool eh
[12:07:19] <XXCoder> maybe time to get coat.
[12:07:33] <XXCoder> my room is currently 55f
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[12:11:10] <XXCoder> oh its nice and toasty 63 now lol just checked
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[12:18:49] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder :)
[12:19:00] <XXCoder> whats up
[12:19:25] <pink_vampire> I'm fine..
[12:20:20] <pink_vampire> I got yesterday some heat shrink tubing
[12:22:21] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I'm curious what do you want to ask me?
[12:22:39] <XXCoder> couldnt remember. maybe it was just comment though
[12:24:36] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[12:24:41] <XXCoder> the cvampire part
[12:25:04] <XXCoder> anyway your earlier comment about why you used vampire name reminded me of good friend of mine
[12:25:11] <XXCoder> he called himself count blockula
[12:25:21] <XXCoder> he was truly amazing lego builder
[12:25:47] <XXCoder> died young at 35 though, he had health problems his entire life, he played with lego a lot while in hospitals
[12:39:10] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: he wasnt unhappy though, he had better life than I have now lol
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[12:39:34] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/wiv76jL.png
[12:39:37] <ReadError> crazy
[12:41:53] <pink_vampire> I'm not wake at night anymore.. but I like the vampire part.. and I'm not sure who gave it to me.. maybe you??
[12:42:01] <XXCoder> nah
[12:42:18] <XXCoder> man his sites still up, though I wonder for how long
[12:42:25] <XXCoder> hes been dead for 5 years now
[12:42:50] <pink_vampire> it is very sad for my to hear about people that died young..
[12:43:15] <XXCoder> indeed. he had more lego talent in his discarded hair than my entire bodyu
[12:43:24] <pink_vampire> also ian murdock..
[12:43:45] <XXCoder> look at http://www.countblockula.com/
[12:45:47] <pink_vampire> I see.. but It's look like part of the website broken
[12:46:00] <XXCoder> yeah its been unmaintained since
[12:46:11] <XXCoder> some broken pictures but click on it it still shows
[12:46:31] <XXCoder> frankly I'm surpised its still up.
[12:47:46] <pink_vampire> yeah..
[12:48:28] <pink_vampire> I'm starving!!
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[12:52:04] <XXCoder> food or foodlike sustances time!
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[12:53:18] <pink_vampire> I'm going to make tea with something..
[12:53:25] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ..
[12:53:38] <XXCoder> cool
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[12:54:27] <pink_vampire> I like tea with biscuits
[12:56:33] <pink_vampire> the moment that you drink tea with biscuits, you know that you are part of very aristocratic and royal society
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[12:56:54] <archivist_herron> snobbery
[12:56:59] <skunkworks> coffee and donuts...
[12:57:12] <XXCoder> I like tea pre-dipped. so, basically water. heh
[12:57:29] <pink_vampire> lol
[12:57:42] <pink_vampire> pre-dipped tea!
[12:57:51] <pink_vampire> I like it.
[12:57:53] <archivist_herron> the one part of the USA I did visit more than once, Dunkin donuts
[12:58:29] <skunkworks> I think dunkin is pretty much everywhere..
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[12:58:58] <pink_vampire> dunkin donuts is junk
[12:59:08] <pink_vampire> I like subway..
[12:59:50] <XXCoder> ate at subway today
[13:00:01] <XXCoder> one of 3 choices for going out after 1:45 am
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[13:00:48] <pink_vampire> I don't like that they cut it in half
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[13:02:32] <XXCoder> I'm ok with it as I can hold half with one hand and eat as I read on my kindle.
[13:04:55] <pink_vampire> but if you ask not to cut it.. you just need to tear the paper on one end, and eat the whole thing.. you also can it wan without have to seat
[13:05:37] <XXCoder> sure but I do like the cut so whatever :D
[13:07:42] <pink_vampire> my BF bring my raspberry tea.. he is soo cute..
[13:07:56] <XXCoder> raspberry pi tea ;)
[13:09:20] <pink_vampire> I have the RPI... and yeah.. maybe tae will be much more decent use for it..
[13:09:29] <jthornton-> one of my early careers was making donuts, I started at 16 working at Dough Boy Donuts
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[13:10:12] <jthornton> when they closed I started working at Tasty Donuts from 6pm to 6am 7 days a week
[13:11:16] <pink_vampire> jthornton: , and now?
[13:12:04] <jthornton> I still know how to make donuts
[13:12:22] <jthornton> or are you trying to ask what I do for a living?
[13:12:43] <pink_vampire> I mean you still work in makeing donuts?
[13:13:03] <jthornton> no, that ended a long long time ago
[13:14:18] <pink_vampire> so.. what do you do for a living...
[13:16:14] <jthornton> I do a lot of things including design and build automation equipment, design, manufacture and sell accessories for the Can Am Spyder, fabricate steel things... and the list goes on and on
[13:17:05] <jthornton> I have a small machine shop and fabrication shop
[13:19:23] <pink_vampire> this is soo nice.
[13:19:42] <XXCoder> nice
[13:19:55] <pink_vampire> what kind of machine do you have?
[13:20:19] <jthornton> John Deere 350
[13:20:58] <pink_vampire> excavator???!
[13:21:19] <jthornton> crawler with a 6 way dozer blade
[13:21:26] <Deejay> machines for real men :D
[13:21:55] <jthornton> I also have a John Deere 310A
[13:25:35] <ReadError> http://rockford.craigslist.org/grd/5371309255.html related
[13:26:33] <malcom2073> Heh, that looks sorta like a lder D110
[13:26:34] <malcom2073> older*
[13:26:40] <malcom2073> Which would be halarious
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[13:28:32] <jthornton> lol
[13:28:40] <jthornton> sticks out way too far
[13:30:08] <pink_vampire> I would never understand what so excited about that
[13:30:18] <malcom2073> I wish I had a real tractor
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[13:30:43] <malcom2073> There have been a couple times where I could really use the capability to lift and move something decently heavy, and/or drag it
[13:32:11] <ReadError> Ive always wanted a forklift
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[13:32:19] <ReadError> even though I have no use
[13:32:33] <jthornton> I have a 1956 Ferguson F40 that is rebuilt on the inside, just need some new paint and she will shine
[13:32:54] <pink_vampire> 12*3+3*3+3*3+3
[13:33:53] <XXCoder> http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/4/3/6/490436_v1.gif funny lol
[13:34:28] <malcom2073> Heh, I like Gary Oldman
[13:35:14] <XXCoder> man I love gif control plugin
[13:35:23] <XXCoder> allows me to pause gifs and stuff
[13:35:32] <malcom2073> Nice
[13:36:19] <XXCoder> "toggle animated gifs"
[13:37:21] <pink_vampire> 12*3+3*3+3*3+3=57 heat shrinks tubs!
[13:37:42] <ReadError> wat
[13:37:49] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: *2
[13:38:03] <pink_vampire> why *2?
[13:38:13] <malcom2073> Because you *always* run out of heat shrink tube
[13:39:03] <pink_vampire> I'm going to design it in solidworks, and calculate the length
[13:39:24] <malcom2073> That has no bearing on my statement :P
[13:40:37] <pink_vampire> I know.. I can do it with normal calculator.. but you know..
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[13:45:05] <pink_vampire> I dont have heat gun..
[13:45:23] <malcom2073> Buy one
[13:45:33] <malcom2073> You can get by with a cheap paint stripper from the hardware store
[13:45:43] <XXCoder> would hair dryer work?
[13:45:54] <ReadError> I use my hotair rework a lot of heatshrink
[13:45:58] <ReadError> such a useful tool
[13:45:59] <malcom2073> I wouldn't expect it would get hot enough
[13:46:10] <ReadError> of=for
[13:46:40] <XXCoder> if I recall right (been years) it can get quite hot
[13:47:12] <malcom2073> Yeah, but heatshrink typically needs skin melting temperatures
[13:47:26] <XXCoder> I meant burn skin hot heh
[13:47:37] <malcom2073> Be worth a shot
[13:47:44] <malcom2073> If not, run the the craft store or hardware store and pick one up :P
[13:47:44] <XXCoder> but I suppose it depends on few factors.
[13:47:47] <XXCoder> yeah
[13:47:58] <XXCoder> its late so not possible right now
[13:48:08] <malcom2073> My wife has a crafty heat gun that was super cheap that I've used in a pinch when I couldn't find mine
[13:49:18] <_methods> hot air rework gets hot enough to melt solder lol
[13:49:26] <ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-Brand-NEW-Hot-858D-220V-air-gun-soldering-station-iron-tool-solder-welding-60W-ESD/32408394179.html
[13:49:28] <_methods> heat shrink is cake compared to that
[13:49:33] <malcom2073> _methods: I meant does a hair dryer get hot enough :P
[13:49:35] <ReadError> banging deal
[13:49:39] <ReadError> for the USA folks
[13:49:41] <_methods> oh lol
[13:49:59] <XXCoder> that is, if it don't catch on fire lol
[13:50:11] <XXCoder> like all those "hoverboards"
[13:50:29] <ReadError> ive use my '858d' daily, solid piece of kit
[13:50:36] <malcom2073> The only thing funnier than people's houses getting burned down, is watching people get injured on those things.
[13:50:37] <_methods> i used to use my hotair station but now i just use one of those little butane torches
[13:50:47] <malcom2073> There's a *reason* segway has a freaking handle to hold on to
[13:50:47] <ReadError> but i imagine they have several different mfgs
[13:51:15] <_methods> i have a jbc adc2100
[13:51:17] <_methods> i love that thing
[13:51:28] <_methods> nice being able to solder instantly
[13:52:09] <XXCoder> malcom2073: "hoverboard" was controllable, but fake ones tend to be very hot.
[13:52:12] <XXCoder> literally. :P
[13:52:19] <malcom2073> heh
[14:00:08] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/NcwMy0i.gifv also related ;)
[14:00:36] <malcom2073> Bwahaha
[14:01:09] <XXCoder> it knew it was so lame
[14:01:14] <XXCoder> so it drowned itself
[14:01:28] <ReadError> looks like the owner did the same
[14:01:28] <XXCoder> she then realized same.
[14:01:32] <XXCoder> lol
[14:05:48] <_methods> man those hoverboards are making so much material for youtube
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[14:07:48] <pink_vampire> just to let you know.
[14:08:26] <XXCoder> yeah?
[14:08:46] <pink_vampire> always use the full name of a brand name
[14:09:37] <pink_vampire> especially when you speak
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[14:10:09] <XXCoder> good thing I dont plan to speak anytime soon lol
[14:10:12] <malcom2073> Lol
[14:10:35] <malcom2073> The "hoverboard"(tm) is screwed at this point
[14:10:41] <malcom2073> But they've already made their money
[14:10:46] <XXCoder> actually
[14:10:55] <XXCoder> most fire ones are off brand ripoffs
[14:11:07] <malcom2073> right
[14:11:10] <malcom2073> I mean the PR nightmare
[14:11:23] <XXCoder> yeah design and brand is dead
[14:11:23] <_methods> people keep buyin them
[14:11:28] <_methods> even after all the videos
[14:11:33] <_methods> and fires
[14:11:34] <XXCoder> really? jeez
[14:12:05] <malcom2073> holy hell, auto parts store near me went out of business, the'yre auctioning off inventory
[14:12:26] <malcom2073> Man, if I had spare income I'd buy a lot of that up and ebay the more common parts, they're going for super cheap
[14:12:42] <XXCoder> you need money to make money unfortunately
[14:13:38] <archivist_herron> people fixing their own cars is a falling market
[14:13:55] <XXCoder> I wonder if its possible to use raspberrypi with 2 nice nema 37s to make "hoverboard" with sensors lol
[14:14:15] <XXCoder> archivist_herron: yeah due to increasing complex design
[14:14:28] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Servos would be better
[14:14:47] <malcom2073> If you're spinning a stepper fast and it misses, it'll often lock up
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[14:15:38] <XXCoder> makes sense. yeah
[14:16:32] <XXCoder> heh I recall a recall on segway because it would just flop over when ran out of power
[14:16:36] <XXCoder> I wonder how they fixed that
[14:16:47] <XXCoder> (flop over when traveling)
[14:19:15] <ReadError> hmm so I got ISE all setup etc
[14:19:26] <ReadError> but cant find the software for the 7i76e
[14:19:29] <Jymmm> Make it act like it's out-of-gas before it's too late?
[14:19:42] <ReadError> was told I need to make a custom bitfile to use 7i76e+7i76
[14:19:59] <XXCoder> Jymmm: maybe. just refuse to go, just stand and balance below certain %
[14:20:25] <Jymmm> XXCoder: *shrug*
[14:23:41] <_methods> ReadError: i'm sure pcw would know when he gets in
[14:24:55] <XXCoder> laters so late 6 am now lol
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[14:28:52] <pink_vampire> I need scaler
[14:30:39] <archivist_herron> I need a translation
[14:32:45] <pink_vampire> ultrasonic scaler
[14:33:04] <malcom2073> And I need a toilet made of gold, but it's just not in the cards
[14:33:27] <Jymmm> ...but it is a shitty job
[14:34:54] <pink_vampire> http://img.medicalexpo.com/images_me/photo-g/71620-3899241.jpg
[14:35:56] <pink_vampire> it's basically a very sharp and strong tip that vibrate very fast
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[14:38:09] <pink_vampire> I took the shity one wire temp probes out, and now I have few points of j-b weld on my G320Xs
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[14:43:01] <Jymmm> Would not of had that issue had you just used rtv as I suggested.
[14:46:40] <pink_vampire> now, I'm going lo make a mount for the new sensors.. it will solve the problem completely
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[14:55:02] <ReadError> hmm
[14:55:11] <ReadError> where the heck are these xise files
[14:55:21] <ReadError> grabbed hostmot2-firmware from git.linuxcnc.org
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[15:22:32] <pink_vampire> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/worlds-first-raspberry-pi-tattoo/
[15:24:56] <malcom2073> Bwahaha, the anti tattoo comments are awesome
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[15:27:35] <FinboySlick> I'm pretty sure if one were to actually make a toilet out of gold, some rich dude would buy it for way more than the actual bullion price. It could be a profitable venture.
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[15:29:02] <anomynous> then do it
[15:29:16] <FinboySlick> Up-front capital is a bit beyond my range.
[15:29:33] <anomynous> its a good business idea. Im sure you get a loan
[15:30:12] <_methods> http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2016258_2016259_2016264,00.html
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[15:30:49] <_methods> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/gallery/gold-toilet-gifted-by-arab-king-to-daughter/1/13125.html
[15:30:55] <_methods> gold toilets all over
[15:35:48] <pink_vampire> gold it's very good heat conductor. it's going to be very cold to seat on it..
[15:36:46] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: You heat it, of course
[15:38:16] <pink_vampire> also a problem..
[15:39:05] <pink_vampire> you need something that will diffuse the heat..
[15:42:13] <ssi> blah
[15:42:39] <_methods> blah?
[15:42:51] <ssi> you heard me!
[15:42:58] <_methods> oh
[15:43:00] <pink_vampire> but the bidet is nice..
[15:43:03] <_methods> you mean blah
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[15:46:50] <ssi> I do
[15:47:32] <Loetmichel> the problem is more that you cant MOVE a loo made of massive gold without a small crane
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[15:48:17] <archivist_herron> rollers
[15:48:27] <_methods> if you're making turd catchers out of gold you don't worry about such trivial things
[15:49:33] <cradek> the comments say it's not a true story
[15:49:36] <cradek> there are citations
[15:49:44] <cradek> I didn't check them because my 5 seconds of interest were already over
[15:49:47] <_methods> gold plated lol
[15:50:14] <cradek> https://www.jwz.org/blog/2016/01/n6maa10816-func-combat-colonization-defense-prog-phys-lev-a-ment-lev-a/
[15:50:19] <cradek> it's funny when there are future dates in sci-fi
[15:50:22] <_methods> it's all the leprechauns hanging out in your bathroom that is the real issue
[15:51:37] <Loetmichel> a standard loo made of ceramics has a weight of 25 kg... same made of gold will be about 200kg...
[15:52:19] <ReadError> hey cradek any idea where the hostmot2 xise files are located now?
[15:52:19] <ssi> 200kg of gold is worth about $200MM
[15:52:22] <ssi> er
[15:52:23] <ssi> $7MM
[15:52:31] <ReadError> docs say with firmware source
[15:52:36] <archivist_herron> moving 200kg is easy
[15:52:41] <ReadError> but seems to be missing in the repo
[15:53:35] <cradek> I don't know what xise files are, but I know our packages are built from http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=hostmot2-firmware.git
[15:53:58] <ssi> xise is the xilinx environment project files
[15:54:13] <ReadError> ssi yea
[15:54:14] <cradek> sorry, I have no idea
[15:54:19] <ssi> I assume he's looking for the mesa firmware source, which comes from mesa's freeby site
[15:54:20] <cradek> maybe ask in -devel
[15:54:22] <ssi> sec
[15:54:23] <ReadError> i need to make a custom bitfile
[15:54:37] <ssi> http://www.mesanet.com/software/parallel/5i25.zip
[15:55:04] <ssi> there's a link on the mesa site, right next to "Manual" that says "Support Software", and the firmware sources are there
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[15:56:30] <ReadError> ahhhh thanks
[15:56:51] <ReadError> didnt see that for the 7i76e
[15:57:22] <ssi> cause 7i76e doesn't run hm2 firmware :)
[15:57:43] <ssi> I think the field io processor runs some kind of code, but it's not the same code
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[16:00:18] <ReadError> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Editing_MESA_Bitfiles
[16:00:40] <ReadError> following this, "The right project file (.xise) for your board" thats the part im having trouble locating though
[16:00:51] <ReadError> TopEthernet16HostMot2.vhd I have
[16:01:09] <ssi> oh 7i76e
[16:01:10] <ssi> sorry I missed that
[16:01:15] <ReadError> ya
[16:01:15] <ssi> yeah it DOES run hm2 firmware
[16:01:25] <ssi> and the ethernet one is the one you want I imagine
[16:06:15] <ReadError> but where would the .xise for that be though ?
[16:07:04] <ReadError> http://freeby.mesanet.com/7i76e.zip
[16:07:21] <ReadError> lets see
[16:07:41] <ssi> etherhm2.xise maybe?
[16:07:42] <malcom2073> holy hell ssi lives
[16:07:52] <ssi> malcom2073: debatable
[16:08:09] <ReadError> dang, thats only the ini and hal
[16:08:22] <ssi> ReadError: yea go back to the 5i25 sources and try etherhm2.xise
[16:09:02] <ReadError> oh strange so its bundled in that one maybe
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[16:09:58] <ReadError> heh theres no xise in that zip ;(
[16:10:03] <ssi> there is
[16:10:05] <ssi> it's inside another zip
[16:10:18] * ReadError peels back the onion
[16:10:29] <ssi> configs/hostmot2/source/hostmot2.zip
[16:10:29] <ssi> :)
[16:11:00] <ssi> god they just keep coming
[16:11:00] <ssi> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pine64/pine-a64-first-15-64-bit-single-board-super-comput?ref=jellopcrowdfunding.com&utm_source=jellop&utm_medium=ocpm&utm_term=reg&utm_campaign=jellop&utm_content=pine7
[16:17:33] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/os1lVD7.jpg
[16:17:38] <ReadError> heh damn
[16:20:36] <ReadError> ahh maybe its just not in the project
[16:21:04] <cncbasher> Readerror:whats up ?
[16:21:28] <ReadError> cncbasher trying to make a bitfile for a 7i76e + 7i76
[16:21:31] <cncbasher> ise files are usually used on windows
[16:21:57] <cncbasher> on linux we tend to use an automated build
[16:22:24] <cncbasher> although you can pick up the ise files on linux too
[16:22:38] <cncbasher> what do you need ?
[16:23:10] <ReadError> think im getting somewhere
[16:23:35] <ReadError> the PIN_7I76E_51.vhd existed it just wasnt in the project file
[16:23:48] <ReadError> got it added now though
[16:23:54] <cncbasher> yea you have to add it to the library
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[16:24:22] <cncbasher> are you using windows or linux ?
[16:24:34] <ReadError> need to fire up excel and figure out all the pins ill need I suppose
[16:24:52] <ReadError> I can use either or, I have ISE installed on linux currently
[16:26:12] <cncbasher> i'm just on sorting the 7i76 files and others
[16:27:10] <ReadError> https://i.imgur.com/aflEvOk.jpg
[16:27:34] <ReadError> imagine I need to replace the P1 block with the IO avail on the 7i76
[16:27:49] <ReadError> never messed with this stuff so kind of figuring it out as I go
[16:28:50] <ssi> fpga stuff is a different world :)
[16:29:22] <cncbasher> let me bring up a pin file 1 min
[16:30:03] <cncbasher> ok around line 110
[16:30:24] <cncbasher> are the pinouts for the 3 connectors
[16:30:33] <cncbasher> in 3 blocks
[16:31:19] <cncbasher> each block is a connector
[16:31:41] <cncbasher> the pins internally are io 1 - 50
[16:32:05] <cncbasher> then seperated out to blocks for each connector
[16:32:44] <ReadError> yea, I only have 1 expansion currently so I think I can just modify the outputs of P1
[16:32:48] <cncbasher> p1 is the second block
[16:32:56] <ReadError> input/output
[16:33:18] <cncbasher> if you see the notes to the right hand side
[16:33:59] <cncbasher> stepgens are numbered 0 -4 in this case
[16:34:14] <ReadError> ahhh yea I see now
[16:34:24] <cncbasher> as as the stepgens are prefixed to suit the board you should not need to touch them
[16:34:36] <ReadError> so since 0-4 are used on the base func, I would do 05-09
[16:34:41] <ReadError> on P1 if I needed
[16:34:44] <cncbasher> you have 2 pins per stepgen
[16:34:52] <cncbasher> step & dir
[16:35:08] <cncbasher> both as stepgen 0 for exapmple
[16:35:31] <cncbasher> all p1 pins are gpio
[16:35:51] <cncbasher> so thats pins 1 to 17
[16:36:19] <cncbasher> they are not listed in order so be careful there
[16:36:41] <cncbasher> what are you wanting to change or modify
[16:36:58] <ReadError> going to need to sit down I guess and first figure out all the pins ill need
[16:37:03] <ReadError> then go from there
[16:37:04] <cncbasher> qcounttag are the quad encoders
[16:37:33] <cncbasher> if it's just inputs and outputs then you dont need to change anything
[16:37:33] <ReadError> is there a list of functions/types anywhere?
[16:37:36] <pcw_home> there should already be a 7i76E+7I76 bitfile
[16:38:09] <cncbasher> why do you want to change the pins , is their a reason
[16:38:25] <ReadError> like alternatives to StepGenDirPin
[16:38:31] <cncbasher> hi(pcw)
[16:38:34] <ReadError> cncbasher: I am using servos on 2 axis
[16:38:52] <pcw_home> 7i76e_7i76x1D.bit
[16:38:54] <ReadError> which I will be using step/dir, but I need to map the encoder output
[16:39:05] <ReadError> input rather
[16:39:36] <cncbasher> that is all done in your hal config
[16:40:47] <cncbasher> if your servo's are step dir then you dont need to change anything
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[16:41:09] <ReadError> cncbasher so I dont need to map the encoder's output to any pins on the FPGA?
[16:41:22] <cncbasher> no
[16:41:58] <cncbasher> the encoders are fixed
[16:42:34] <ReadError> pcw_home hmm I have the 5i25.zip but dont have that bi file
[16:42:47] <ReadError> bit file*, unless its in another zip within
[16:43:09] <cncbasher> your using a 7i76e ?
[16:43:48] <ReadError> yea, 7i76e + 7i76
[16:44:51] <FloppyDisk> encoders on a step/dir servo return to the servo.
[16:45:01] <pink_vampire> I need an idea how to make a din rail mount for the C10 without using a cnc..
[16:45:25] <FloppyDisk> what's a c10?
[16:45:28] <ssi> same way people have been making stuff for years :P
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[16:46:10] <ReadError> FloppyDisk so are yous saying just let the servo driver handle that? it has a bunch of outputs
[16:46:12] <pink_vampire> and without tooo much effort..
[16:46:36] <FloppyDisk> REaderror: With controls, it's always what you want/need to do.
[16:46:46] <pink_vampire> maybe cardboard..
[16:46:48] <cncbasher> readerror:the encoders on a 7i76 are on page 9 of the handbook
[16:46:57] <FloppyDisk> Probably, you can let the servo driver handle the closed loop, will be easiest I would guess...
[16:47:18] <cncbasher> theirs only one encoder on a 7i76
[16:47:25] <FloppyDisk> Actually, I forget that w/ LCNC you could run step/dir and close a loop around a motor.
[16:47:51] <FloppyDisk> At least in the USA, that's not the norm, but not saying it's not right, just a different way to do it.
[16:48:13] <FloppyDisk> Anyway, to make it simple, close the loop w/ the servo drive and give it step and direction.
[16:48:30] <FloppyDisk> Then, monitor a fault output from the drive incase it faults.
[16:48:55] <ssi> we've talked about this before
[16:49:03] <ssi> it's doable but they don't tune like regular servos do
[16:49:10] <pcw_home> the 7I76e bitfiles are cleverly hidden in the 7I80.zip file
[16:49:21] <FloppyDisk> ssi: missed the discussion. I would agree about the tuning... It would be different.
[16:49:22] <pcw_home> 7i80.zip
[16:49:43] <ssi> FloppyDisk: if you think about it, steppers are just a special case of brushless servo
[16:49:45] <ReadError> thanks pcw_home
[16:50:10] <FloppyDisk> ssi: Yes. and closing the loop around them would be cool:-)
[16:50:23] <FloppyDisk> But, probably you don't need to.
[16:51:08] <ReadError> so zeeshan has been asking for a while
[16:51:20] <ReadError> but is there any reason to choose analog input when digital is available?
[16:51:34] <pcw_home> Sometimes step/dir+feedback works and sometimes it problematical because of delays in the position loop in the drive
[16:52:16] <pcw_home> usually because the analog input is a velocity input and the step/dir inputs are inputs to a position loop
[16:52:56] <ReadError> suppose for simiplicy I will just keep it step/dir and let the driver handle the PID stuff, should be the easiest thing to get going
[16:53:17] <pcw_home> so the analog input works better with feedback (as would a digital velocity command)
[16:53:58] <pcw_home> the difference between the configs is very small (just where the PID component gets it feedback)
[16:56:15] <pcw_home> (with open loop the PID feedback comes from the local step counter position, with closed loop i t comes from an encoder position )
[16:56:58] <pcw_home> one advantage of encoder feedback to LinuxCNC is that you can home on index
[16:57:56] <ReadError> for some reason I had in my head, linuxcnc would be able to determine any kind of positioning error and compensate
[16:58:07] <ReadError> but that seems to always be super small so probably no point
[16:58:42] <FloppyDisk> ReadError - that's the advantage of closed loop. But, if you size an open loop (stepper w/ out feedback or servo closed in the drive)
[16:58:46] <FloppyDisk> you shouldn't have much of an issue.
[16:58:53] <FloppyDisk> Oh - size correctly.
[16:59:24] <FloppyDisk> there's no doubt closed loop has advantages, but there are millions of processes that work everyday w/ open loop steppers (like your printer I think) that work fine.
[16:59:32] <ReadError> FloppyDisk yea, messing around with the software the error was at most 2-3 (out of 8192) after moves
[16:59:44] <DaViruz> modern printers actually use servos usually
[16:59:57] <DaViruz> some with linear encoders
[17:00:13] <FloppyDisk> DaViruz: that's a virus in my printer:-) I stand corrected.
[17:00:15] <ReadError> and that would change just by lightly touching the shaft, maybe able to fix that messing with the drivers PID stuff but 2-3 is pretty acceptable
[17:00:24] <ReadError> for what im doing anyways
[17:00:29] <archivist> our printer mid 1980's used a servo and opto strip
[17:01:02] <cncbasher> Readerror: all depends on what the machine is and what you expect of it , in some cases steppers can outperform and of course a cost difference
[17:01:06] <DaViruz> oh. but even cheap consumer inkjets have them now adays
[17:01:46] <archivist> it was one of the early inkjets canon A1210
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[17:02:03] <ReadError> cncbasher its for a pick-and-place, migrating away from steppers and smoothie
[17:02:05] <pcw_home> battery toy motor and film encoder strip...
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[17:03:11] <pcw_home> allows very accurate inkjet timing relative to position
[17:03:17] <archivist> I was somewhat surprised at the cmm having L298s driving the servo motors
[17:03:37] <pcw_home> not doable with a (low cost) open loop system
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[17:04:13] <archivist> our timing varied a bit due to the speed bars spaced far apart
[17:04:48] <archivist> the pin firing lines on the opto were not used for the loop
[17:04:56] <FloppyDisk> pcw_home: didn't know about the printer motor/setup. Always thought stepper... I'll look at that more closely.
[17:05:04] <archivist> accelerate, coast
[17:06:32] <pcw_home> paper feed is usually stepper
[17:07:15] <pcw_home> carriage has always been DC motor/ film strip encoder on ones I've seen
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[17:08:29] <FloppyDisk> So I'm 1/2 right:-)
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[17:14:39] <cncbasher> the encoder strip soon wipes off too
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[17:20:11] <DaViruz> FloppyDisk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMcTFUJYMGI
[17:20:23] <DaViruz> he shows it in pretty good detail
[17:23:32] <FloppyDisk> thanks - I had a printer like that. Gotta run - late. Will watch it tonight:-)
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[17:26:31] <DaViruz> i don't see much use for inkjet printers. if you use them a lot the ink is just ridiculously expesnive, and if you only use them occasinoally the ink nozzles are always clogged up
[17:26:59] <malcom2073> Photo qualtiy prints
[17:27:01] <DaViruz> i believe the clogging issue has become a lot better since i last had on though, cirka 1997-ish
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[17:27:39] <malcom2073> laser is superior in almost every other way, that and *initial* cost of ownership
[17:27:49] <DaViruz> everyone i know who has a inkjet printer don't really use them for photo prints though
[17:27:56] <DaViruz> just for basic home office use
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[17:28:41] <malcom2073> A lot of people are lulled in by the initial cost of ownership thing
[17:28:44] <DaViruz> yeah
[17:29:06] <ssi> color lasers make better photo prints than cheap inkjets
[17:29:16] <ssi> the only use for inkjets is dedicated photo printers, which are expensive
[17:29:18] <malcom2073> ssi: 10 years ago they didn't, and people have long memories :P
[17:29:27] <ssi> 10 years ago they absolutely did
[17:29:30] <ssi> they just cost more than $150
[17:29:36] <malcom2073> Heh
[17:29:39] <malcom2073> consumer level I mean
[17:29:43] <malcom2073> So less than $500 :P
[17:29:44] <ssi> now lasers are incrementally more expensive than inkjets
[17:29:56] <ssi> I bought my first color laser in 2001 for $400
[17:30:04] <ssi> and my second in like 2005 for $300
[17:30:09] <ssi> I bought one recently for $179
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[17:30:28] <jdh> inkjets suck
[17:30:29] <ssi> you've been able to get an inkjet for $100 the whole time
[17:30:42] <ssi> but $100 buys you less and less every year :)
[17:30:45] <jdh> no redeeming qualities
[17:31:01] <ssi> nowadays a $100 inkjet is a $15 printer wrapped around a $85 ink cartridge
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[17:31:37] <ssi> inkjets were amazing in the mid 90s when we all had dot matrix printers
[17:31:39] <archivist> it comes with a an already empty cartridge
[17:31:47] <ssi> archivist: yeah that too
[17:32:10] <ssi> somehow inkjet ink is the most expensive substance on earth by weight
[17:33:10] <malcom2073> in their defense, inks in general follow suit
[17:33:18] <ssi> I take it back
[17:33:22] <ssi> scorpion venom is far more expensive
[17:34:40] <ssi> lol consumer reports say that most inkjets put less than half the ink on paper
[17:34:43] <ssi> and some as little as 20-30%
[17:34:52] <ssi> the rest goes into cleaning heads and calibrating
[17:35:01] <archivist> most ends up the the waste section
[17:35:36] <_methods> hahah at the brother xmas party
[17:35:43] <archivist> the soakaway is a huge area in some designs
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[17:44:42] <archivist> should I complain, wot no probe http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151932290502 , it's the mirror I want
[17:45:33] <Jymmm> bidding ended
[17:45:43] <archivist> I won it
[17:45:50] <Jymmm> oh, heh
[17:46:21] <archivist> I keep quiet unless I know I cannot afford
[17:47:31] <Jymmm> Looks like you REALLY wanted it, what 40 pound bid?
[17:48:04] <archivist> nah a pound would have beaten me
[17:48:15] <Jymmm> ah
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[17:48:39] <archivist> he had it on as a buy it now for a while
[17:50:24] <Jymmm> Well, you got it now =)
[17:51:43] <ssi> lol
[17:51:55] <archivist> impossible for me to afford the bit to go with it http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272090957302
[17:52:28] <Jymmm> archivist: MAKE OFFER worse thing he'll do is laugh at ya
[17:53:11] <archivist> the make offer has a built in minimum so they done see the low ball ones
[17:53:37] <Jymmm> heh
[17:54:10] <Jymmm> archivist: Well, cheap just a cheap bastard, not a super cheap bastard ;)
[17:54:24] <Jymmm> Bah
[17:54:36] <Jymmm> archivist: Well, just be a cheap bastard, not a super cheap bastard ;)
[17:54:55] <ssi> archivist: that thing is defective
[17:55:05] <ssi> it's +0.23 arcseconds out of square
[17:55:40] <archivist> neary snuff
[17:56:07] <archivist> somewhat better than I can make
[17:57:11] <archivist> all the optical squares are going for lots of money on ebay
[17:57:54] <CaptHindsight> what's wrong with selling ink at $3k/L that only costs $5/L to make?
[17:58:43] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Not a high enough profit margin?
[17:59:02] <ssi> CaptHindsight: eventually they might run out of suckers
[17:59:03] <ssi> I mean customers
[17:59:09] <ssi> probably not though :P
[17:59:40] <CaptHindsight> and SSI is correct, most often when your inkjet prints start to have dropouts it's not due to the ink physically running out
[17:59:56] <CaptHindsight> it's just software making it look that way
[18:00:10] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Just buy the hack chip off ebay like everyone else
[18:01:34] <Jymmm> looks like amazon has them too now.
[18:01:35] <CaptHindsight> actually toner costs more to make than aqueous ink
[18:01:45] <CaptHindsight> toner is 100% solids
[18:02:00] <CaptHindsight> ink is ~1%
[18:02:06] <CaptHindsight> it's mostly water
[18:02:43] <Jymmm> BUt but but how else are they going to pay for that excellent india tech support ???
[18:03:29] <CaptHindsight> how may I help you please?
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[18:04:49] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmD_8cBqhW0
[18:05:03] <CaptHindsight> toner is just powdered thermoplastic, similar to powder coatings
[18:06:10] <CaptHindsight> could be worse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJXww8aizAM
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[18:08:35] <CaptHindsight> ssi: do you use toner or the wax color lasers?
[18:10:37] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELQoVSc_XzU
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[18:11:39] <ssi> toner
[18:11:48] <os1r1s> Servos are in ... https://www.dropbox.com/s/7etbtgolry26914/millstuff1.jpg and vise are in https://www.dropbox.com/s/w0tr13wwrez8cee/millstuff2.jpg !!!!!
[18:12:04] <DaViruz> i have a color waxjet somewhere
[18:12:08] <DaViruz> pretty odd thing
[18:12:20] <DaViruz> you feed it solid chunks of wax which it melts and jets on paper
[18:12:28] <ssi> re wax printers: "The only problem is that the printer costs $20,000.
[18:12:44] <DaViruz> and that they need to be constantly powered on
[18:12:48] <DaViruz> with the wax melted
[18:12:53] <DaViruz> pretty expensive
[18:13:16] <Jymmm> xerox was giving those away fro a while, you just had to sign a contract that you would buy so many wax cubes over n number of years
[18:13:22] <DaViruz> mine wastes about a half block of wax of each color if you power cycle it
[18:13:31] <ssi> damn
[18:13:34] <CaptHindsight> they are actually inkjet
[18:13:45] <ssi> waxjet
[18:14:11] <DaViruz> the wacy surface prints are pretty nice though
[18:14:12] <CaptHindsight> you can convert them to a 3d printer
[18:14:14] <DaViruz> waxy
[18:14:25] <DaViruz> CaptHindsight: oh?
[18:14:28] <DaViruz> has it been done?
[18:14:28] <archivist> early ones were centrifugal force wax throwers iirc
[18:15:19] <CaptHindsight> you just need to get the prints to go back past the heads for each layer
[18:15:58] <DaViruz> sounds non trivial
[18:16:13] <CaptHindsight> archivist: there are some newer inkjet deigns for higher viscosity fluids that work that way
[18:16:14] <DaViruz> and i'm not sure how well it would handle undercuts
[18:17:58] <CaptHindsight> DaViruz: the wax needs supports in that situation
[18:18:38] <CaptHindsight> say a water soluble support that is also jetted
[18:18:56] <DaViruz> also.. i'm not sure how useful the actual prints will be :)
[18:19:02] <DaViruz> maybe for lost wax casting
[18:20:50] <CaptHindsight> what! wax Yodas
[18:21:07] <DaViruz> in any color as long as it's bright CMYK
[18:21:22] <DaViruz> i guess it could print in color..
[18:21:41] <CaptHindsight> and you're not limited to just wax
[18:22:16] <CaptHindsight> if you add a UV light to cure, it can jet photopolymers
[18:23:14] <Jymmm> Heh, 600W/inch UV lightbulb =)
[18:23:34] <CaptHindsight> they use an interesting printhead originally deigned by Tektronics that works at >100C
[18:24:48] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: nah, actually can be <1W/inch^2
[18:26:09] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I used to work with 600W/in UV curing systems. One time a blower went offline, and it melted the 3/8" aluminum reflector =)
[18:27:00] <CaptHindsight> yeah, lamps are not too efficient
[18:28:15] <Jymmm> Fuck effeciant, these were installed on high speed dragon printing presses - the kind that take up a 1/4 mile long factory.
[18:30:55] <CaptHindsight> actual printing, sounded more like UC cured coatings or paint on products
[18:31:02] <CaptHindsight> UC/UV
[18:31:03] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: this sorta thing... http://www.plastemart.com/Upload/Ecamp/polygraph/orion-2000-series-t-10-14.png
[18:32:00] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I design inkets like that
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[18:55:06] <Sync> Jymmm: usually they use UV lasers now
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[22:10:56] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:12:50] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks howsitgoin?
[22:14:02] <FloppyDisk> I think its meditation time...
[22:14:12] <FloppyDisk> But, good.
[22:14:22] <PetefromTn_> you have a meditation time?
[22:14:37] <FloppyDisk> No, the irc has one, been quiet for a bit, which is okay.
[22:15:01] <rob_h> we all worn out form the week
[22:15:04] <rob_h> from
[22:15:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too
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[22:40:18] <thepirate> hi by any chance are u familiar with parrot seccurity
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[22:43:13] <Simonious> (The board won't be sandwiched) The bolt will be on the other side of the board, through the TO220 and into the lug/bar (.0602" thick PCB)
[22:43:20] <Simonious> so I'm working on a board layout and I've got some TO220s near the edge of the board like this. There will be holes through the board and the TO220s will be bolted down - my question is: is there a standard for the minimum distance between the edge (or center) of such a hole to the board edge? It should be well supported between the TO220 and the lug - currently I'm going with .07" http://oi63.tinypic.com/33pcvx4.jpg
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[23:08:17] <Tom_itx> Simonious, your part library should have a silkscreen outline you can use as a guide
[23:08:47] <Tom_itx> also you want enough board & copper to disapate the heat
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[23:12:16] <JT-Shop-> dang I need to take inventory :( before I forget
[23:14:18] <Tom_itx> careful, you may uncover something you lost last year
[23:14:34] * Simonious ponders
[23:14:35] <zeeshan> ggggggggggggggggggdddddddddddddddddddgfdg
[23:14:40] <zeeshan> l
[23:14:44] <zeeshan> '''''''''''''''''''''''''''/;;;;;
[23:14:52] <Simonious> Tom_itx: I've got the heat managed
[23:14:57] * Tom_itx thinks zeeshan has flipped his lid
[23:15:31] <Tom_itx> Simonious, the silkscreen will tell you if you're too close to the edge
[23:15:49] <Tom_itx> run a drc and erc on the layout
[23:16:03] <Simonious> Tom_itx: I'll look into the silkscreen. I don't know what drc and erc are. :)
[23:16:42] <Tom_itx> design rule check, electrical rule check
[23:17:52] <Tom_itx> any cad package worth it's salt will let you test fit things
[23:19:07] <Simonious> ahh, well it fits.. I'm wondering if there is a reasonably minimum amount of PCB a guy leaves in this sort of setup, the amount of metal between the hole and the edge of the tab on the TO220 is very small, I thought maybe a bad idea to go that small on the PCB, so was thinking about spacing it in a bit from the edge of the board.
[23:19:13] <Simonious> *reasonable
[23:19:59] <Tom_itx> are you soldering the heatsinks too?
[23:20:07] <Simonious> no
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[23:20:18] <Tom_itx> consider board flex
[23:20:35] <Tom_itx> and how that affects heat disapation
[23:20:53] * JT-Shop- rewires the BP again
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[23:20:57] <Simonious> well the TO220 is bolted right to the heat sink..
[23:21:03] <Tom_itx> they're probably ok but i'd move them in a tad myself
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[23:21:22] <Tom_itx> heatsinks are on the back of the board?
[23:21:33] <Simonious> yeah did that, but there is still only .07" of PCB there...
[23:21:42] <Simonious> heatsinks are on the same side as the FETs
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[23:22:15] <Tom_itx> not sure how that works the way you have them against the board
[23:22:31] <Simonious> well true, not as good, but the tab still carries the heat.
[23:22:39] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop-, you keep that up you'll run outta wire
[23:23:07] <Tom_itx> Simonious, the hot spot would be near the center of the plastic package
[23:23:17] * Simonious nods
[23:23:24] <Tom_itx> the tab will carry the heat, but fast enough?
[23:23:41] <Simonious> Worst case sceneario for all four I'll need to unload 9 watts
[23:23:52] <Tom_itx> oh
[23:25:13] <Simonious> so.. think .07" of PCB is reasonable in this setup?
[23:25:39] <JT-Shop-> or get it to work lol
[23:27:12] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop-, the filter didn't help?
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[23:32:04] <JT-Shop> well hard to tell I did about 3 things at once
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[23:35:31] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: PM
[23:35:48] <Tom_itx> got it
[23:36:58] <toastydeath> i'm writing my first job description for a new hire
[23:37:04] <toastydeath> i'm going with brutally honest
[23:39:10] <XXCoder> "knows how to push button"
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