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[00:03:02] <JT-Shop> FloppyDisk: I've used the 5i25 7i77 for quite some time on the BP in fact I think I have one of the first ones... this is just a burp in the software I assume
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[00:05:27] <FloppyDisk> JT-Shop: I know - I've copied your vfd and other setup items (thank you). I did buy a rasmi filter... It's freakin' huge (40amps), not sure where I'll mount it...
[00:06:46] <JT-Shop> that's why I got the AD filter that was designed for the GS2
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[00:07:24] <FloppyDisk> That ad filter was a good idea.
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[00:14:38] <JT-Shop> quickbooks sucks
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[00:17:23] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: np
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[00:26:08] <PCW> JT-Shop are you sure the cable between the 5I25 and 7I77 is a IEEE-1284 cable?
[00:26:47] <JT-Shop> yes, I got it from you
[00:28:31] <FloppyDisk> Mine, too... I had used an L-com cable that I think is IEEE-1284, but then swapped it out for mesa included cable to make sure.
[00:28:41] <PCW> if you get errors even with isolation it means that its not a ground loop back to the PC but rather volts of noise coupled into the cable some how
[00:28:43] <PCW> (assuming the cable shell is _only grounded_ and the PC end)
[00:28:55] <PCW> at the PC end
[00:30:15] <PCW> does the DB 25 cable run near any power lines? (or grounds between devices)
[00:31:50] <JT-Shop> yes, it runs parallel to a couple of ground wires
[00:32:21] <PCW> you might try running it away from everything as a test
[00:33:10] <JT-Shop> ok
[00:33:59] <PCW> shielding reduces elecrostatic coupling but does little against magnetic coupling (and use the filtered firmware that should help a bit)
[00:35:52] <PCW> (I was able to use a crappy 5 foot flat cable with a 5I25/7i77 with the filtered config which immediately errored out with a the normal config)
[00:38:08] <FloppyDisk> What's weird about all this, is I was able to run my 5i25/7i77 with one program and it errored at the end of it.
[00:38:26] <FloppyDisk> Otherwise, it always errored right away. This is w/ out the improved firmware.
[00:38:33] <FloppyDisk> Anyway, I need to look at it more.
[00:40:38] * JT-Shop hears the dinner bell...
[00:46:43] <FloppyDisk> Go get the vittles!
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[04:17:07] <A_Nub> Hey guys, I have been doing 2D profiles for some time and today wanted to try a 3D profile, however it seems my z axis is inverted, or I am just being retarded
[04:17:16] <A_Nub> for 2D milling I usually set home for max Z height
[04:17:30] <A_Nub> and then touch the top of the workpiece for touch off, then go
[04:17:49] <A_Nub> and milling depth is usually negative in cambam
[04:18:05] <A_Nub> however when i tried this with a 3D profile it just climbed in the air
[04:18:13] <A_Nub> and did it's movements near the touchoff
[04:18:35] <A_Nub> Is this an inverted z-axis? bad gcode? or me just misunderstanding homing/touching off
[04:19:04] <archivist> not inverted, the direction is correct
[04:19:59] <A_Nub> it seems like the cut is inverted however, it climbs slow, crosses slow, then dives fast
[04:20:01] <archivist> how did you create the gcode, that does not appear to realise 0 is at the top surface
[04:20:13] <A_Nub> with cambam 3D profile
[04:20:17] <A_Nub> I selected top,left
[04:20:26] <A_Nub> for start point
[04:20:49] <A_Nub> Other than that it's mostly stock settings other than setting my stock height and toolsize
[04:22:38] <A_Nub> archivist: it's treating zero as the bottom, and at the same time moving the tool through the part for moves
[04:22:45] <A_Nub> which is why I feel it's inverted
[04:23:16] <A_Nub> but my 2D cuts seem to work fine, I just always felt homing in the air was weird
[04:23:26] <A_Nub> I thought homing on the bed made more sense so we don't cut it
[04:23:48] <archivist> home is at the top on Z
[04:24:18] <archivist> 0 and cut - is normal, I have no idea how to use cambam
[04:24:40] <A_Nub> Yea, I'm just making sure I was doing things correctly on the operation side
[04:25:02] <A_Nub> So home = top, touch = workpiece surface
[04:25:03] <A_Nub> right?
[04:25:10] <A_Nub> then the gcode should know the depth etc
[04:25:19] <A_Nub> thats how I've been doing 2D cuts
[04:25:23] <A_Nub> works fine
[04:25:54] <archivist> does cambam assume something different, doeas it have any settings you missed
[04:25:57] <A_Nub> I'll play around with it more.
[04:26:04] <A_Nub> yea it has a ton of settings
[04:26:31] <A_Nub> is there a term I should be looking for?
[04:26:50] <A_Nub> bottom,left was the default origin, so I selected top,left after my first failure
[04:27:00] <A_Nub> nothing different seemed to have happened
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[04:31:05] <A_Nub> Ahh it was my clearance plane for moves
[04:31:11] <A_Nub> It was at 0...
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[04:58:28] <mattygalore> I always set Z=0 at the top of the workpiece, and do all milling in -Z
[04:59:51] <mattygalore> and I have a safety height of + a few mm for clearance on rapid moves
[05:01:48] <mattygalore> I don't have home switch at the bed, but even if I did, I think I'd still touch off on the workpiece each time, with G92, to set Z=0 there
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[05:04:24] <anomynous> someone say my name :D
[05:04:56] <mattygalore> anomynous
[05:05:09] <anomynous> bleh
[05:05:16] <mattygalore> is your client loud enough?
[05:05:21] <anomynous> no
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[05:05:48] <anomynous> i want irssi to use bell when a hilight happens
[05:06:01] <anomynous> can i do that, so term could hilight on desktop
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[05:08:17] * mattygalore sells app with crowd of schoolgirls. one starts screaming your name every time you're mentioned on social media. aim is get them all screaming constantly
[05:09:21] <anomynous> no thank you :D
[05:09:26] <anomynous> im not on facebook etc :)
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[05:11:37] <mattygalore> so the girls all sneer and call you granddad, until you do
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[05:12:46] <mattygalore> then I take kickbacks from facebook or else the girls will prefer myspace
[05:14:36] <anomynous> i dont really care
[05:14:40] <anomynous> :D
[05:14:47] <anomynous> not everyone calls me a grandad
[05:14:53] <anomynous> and those who want to, may do so
[05:15:56] <mattygalore> and I'll take kickbacks from apple to make them sneer if your phone is a dad phone :D
[05:16:17] <anomynous> its brand new microsoft phone, though i didnt buy it
[05:16:18] <anomynous> :D
[05:16:36] <anomynous> but why would someone be interested what phone i have?
[05:18:08] <mattygalore> it's a status thing with some people
[05:18:49] <mattygalore> I see nothing wrong with exploiting such people for profit. I wish I'd done that iamrich app
[05:19:36] <anomynous> njaa.
[05:19:49] <mattygalore> $1000, does nothing except display a shiny jewel, sold 8 copies before Apple panicked and pulled it
[05:19:51] <anomynous> thats "oh." in finnish.
[05:20:49] <mattygalore> one of the purchasers was tracked down and he said he was delighted with his purchase, and he expected it to gain value. with only 8 he's probably right
[05:21:07] <anomynous> really.
[05:22:28] <anomynous> im kinda like that. I bought 70€ earphones for gaming when 40€ would do fine.
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[05:22:58] <anomynous> and theyre a brand thing too. My friend said I should get money from akg for walking around with them since it has a big logo
[05:23:14] <anomynous> i thought about camouflage liquid rubber with some texture :D
[05:24:55] <mattygalore> walking around gaming?
[05:25:10] <anomynous> yes, yes. Or listening music. But I use them for gaming.
[05:25:12] <anomynous> so youre right
[05:25:14] <anomynous> :D
[05:26:56] <anomynous> but theyre nice for listening music too. Comfy and good sound. If it were better, it would be excessive :D
[05:29:22] <mattygalore> I've got some nice earbuds. I prefer them now apart from the wax
[05:30:19] <mattygalore> I've got a set here with 6 channels for gaming in surround sound, but I've never gone to the trouble of using them. the 3 plugs aren't labeled for a start
[05:30:47] <anomynous> i would have liked over ears things but they would have been too expensive in my opinion
[05:33:35] <mattygalore> the perfect headphones would let you lsten to music, protect your ears from workplace noise, and yet still let through voices of coworkers
[05:33:59] <anomynous> peltor radio protectors :D
[05:35:10] <anomynous> http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_EU/PPE_SafetySolutions_EU/Safety/Product_Catalogue/~/Headsets?N=7576577+8690888+3294857473&rt=r3
[05:36:39] <mattygalore> they're the ones you need :)
[05:36:49] <anomynous> naw
[05:37:04] <anomynous> i rather use just regular protectors without radio. Theyre lighter too
[05:37:04] <anomynous> :D
[05:38:10] <mattygalore> so another product waiting for aerogel
[05:38:19] <anomynous> aerogel?
[05:38:44] <mattygalore> it weighs practically nothing, yet is more soundproof than anything
[05:38:47] <anomynous> ah
[05:38:54] <anomynous> its not just that
[05:39:40] <anomynous> im just rather without radio
[06:20:25] <chupacabra> http://sunradio.com/
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[06:41:06] <chupacabra> what am i missing to get my linuxcnc to control my 3040t spindle?
[06:43:07] <chupacabra> it says no tool at the bottom. I'm using a pointed tool so size is not a factor right now but i would like the spindle to start and stop by program
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[07:30:00] <witnit> what are you asking chupacabra
[07:30:20] <witnit> like, what hardware do you need?
[07:32:32] <chupacabra> my chinese mill is hooked up and all axis working but spindle doesnt seem connected.
[07:32:53] <chupacabra> maybe it cant be but hard for tool comp im guessing
[07:33:01] <witnit> how is the spindle normally operated
[07:33:22] <chupacabra> on the box attached to the mill.
[07:33:44] <chupacabra> has on and off and a pot for rpm
[07:33:54] <witnit> you would need to add some sort of relay to that and then control it digitally right?
[07:34:25] <chupacabra> im asking. just figured it worked.
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[07:34:40] <witnit> doubtful :)
[07:35:02] <chupacabra> what worries me is that it says no tool
[07:35:11] <chupacabra> ok.
[07:35:22] <chupacabra> I'll google more.
[07:36:55] <chupacabra> there is a rumor that the 4th axis is not a controllable 4th axis.
[07:37:57] <chupacabra> great for engraving so far.
[07:38:19] <chupacabra> http://riecilla.com/node/3
[07:40:33] <witnit> you need to get familiarized with what your hardware is doing so you can see how it connects with your software
[07:41:01] <witnit> do you have an emergency stop attached to it?
[07:41:16] <witnit> big red button
[07:41:25] <chupacabra> yup. estop works
[07:41:45] <witnit> limit switches?
[07:42:06] <chupacabra> spindle may be something in configs. I need to google.
[07:42:16] <chupacabra> no limit switches
[07:42:43] <witnit> if you are controlling the spindle currently with an on off button it is very unlikely you are able to control it with software without adding some form of a relay
[07:42:53] <chupacabra> apparantly the disign changes often with no docs to follow
[07:43:21] <witnit> how does it interface with the pc?
[07:43:29] <chupacabra> ok. Ya. I see that now.
[07:43:43] <chupacabra> Paralell cable only
[07:44:04] <chupacabra> usb parallel wont work
[07:44:55] <chupacabra> had to buy a cheap pc with it
[07:45:23] <chupacabra> and install debian. grrrrr
[07:47:45] <witnit> beats the hell out of windows :) nicechoice
[07:48:21] <chupacabra> I'm a fedora guy
[07:48:32] <chupacabra> or gentoo
[07:48:53] <witnit> i wouldnt know the benefits of one over the other any day
[07:48:57] <chupacabra> should uild a gentoo linuxcnc machine
[07:49:08] <witnit> yeah you should do that
[07:49:08] <chupacabra> build
[07:49:35] <chupacabra> im a goofy geek with too much time on my hands
[07:49:52] <chupacabra> and now cnc is affordable
[07:50:12] <witnit> yeah im just a shop guy with some pc knowledge
[07:50:38] <witnit> so i am here by way of life it seems
[07:50:53] <chupacabra> i been a machinist since 73 in MR-A school in the Navy.
[07:51:46] <chupacabra> i learned more in 6 weeks than lots of machinests ever learn.
[07:51:53] <witnit> i bet
[07:52:19] <Jymmm> chupacabraHow to get into the beer machines the fastest?
[07:52:31] <chupacabra> then keeping us the turks and the greeks afloat for years.
[07:53:15] <chupacabra> Jymmm, I ran the barracks bar out of my locker
[07:53:42] <Jymmm> chupacabra: $5 each?
[07:54:09] <chupacabra> was fun turning long parts aboard ship and the waves were warping the lathe. Wheee.
[07:54:33] <chupacabra> 3 bucks for a double.
[07:54:39] <Jymmm> lol
[07:54:49] <Jymmm> Wow, you were cheap!
[07:55:27] <chupacabra> in philadelphia after I got put in pokie for desertion. My ship left Naples and I stayed.
[07:56:22] <chupacabra> everybody in the whole building was there for desertion
[07:56:29] <chupacabra> a huge barracks
[07:56:39] <chupacabra> lots of drunks
[07:56:44] <Jymmm> all passed out?
[07:57:07] <chupacabra> opportunie knocked at my door.
[07:57:28] <Jymmm> cell door? lol
[07:57:41] <chupacabra> i kept morale up. lots of these fucks were crazy.
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[07:58:36] <chupacabra> ya, at my cell door in naples i bought 2 kilos of hashish and brought it back under guard of shore patrol.
[07:58:48] <Jymmm> lmao
[07:59:04] <chupacabra> I am a bad boy mostly.
[07:59:13] <chupacabra> I game my earth
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[07:59:33] <Deejay> moin
[07:59:42] <Jymmm> Deejay: You're 12 seconds late, your fired (again)!
[07:59:44] <witnit> mojn!
[07:59:55] <chupacabra> figured i would be locked down in philly but out to a rock concert the first morning back
[07:59:55] <Deejay> haha! :)
[08:00:07] <witnit> who was playing
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[08:00:52] <chupacabra> some shit local band. but I was back in america and girls that spoke english with 2 keys of hash
[08:01:44] <chupacabra> Zumwalts Navy. You see his new ship?
[08:05:05] <chupacabra> https://www.google.com/search?q=uss+zumwalt&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj63LDs3JTKAhXJ4CYKHXk2D38Q_AUIBygB&biw=1240&bih=587
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[08:23:24] <t12> sadface
[08:23:29] <t12> kennedymfg.com hacked?
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[08:31:07] <chupacabra> toolboxes?
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[08:37:06] <t12> back now
[08:37:10] <t12> it was some SEO page for a while
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[08:46:16] <archivist> somebody forgot to pay their domain name bill
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[09:21:36] <chupacabra> archivist, me?
[09:22:21] <archivist> kennedymfg.com
[09:23:27] <chupacabra> oic
[09:23:31] <chupacabra> tks
[09:23:54] <chupacabra> fucking fab guys
[09:24:14] <chupacabra> that is toolboxes, right?
[09:25:37] <witnit> oops!
[09:26:20] <witnit> its still the SEO page for me
[09:26:45] <archivist> it is a common cockup, I get the toolbox page
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[10:25:33] <trentster> archivist: Howdy, do you have any good resource / link that explaines gantry flex and the use of ribs to resist movement. I want to forward this to a friend of mine to explain the concept in a nice way?
[10:27:38] <archivist> not really, this is something I usually show with a little finger on the item which is flexible and a dti contacting it and mounted to the frame/base
[10:28:18] <archivist> my first mill build moved 6 thou
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[10:30:29] <archivist> this has it built in and even though its only 10" tall with a 2" column you can swing the pointer full scale http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=Precimeter
[10:32:06] <trentster> yup thanks I understand the concept - I am just looking for a good resource that explains it mathematically e.g why its better to use a box vs a single plate that is very chick
[10:32:13] <trentster> *thick
[10:32:24] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/HbjSWDwJILs lol
[10:32:45] <archivist> you might find structural docs better for that
[10:33:10] <archivist> its not a machine tool only problem
[10:35:18] <trentster> yup - thanks
[10:35:35] <archivist> or books like An introduction to the mechanics of machines J. L. M Morrison, B. Crossland Longmans, Green and Co 1964
[10:35:49] <XXCoder> hm is there someone else besides trent and arch talking?
[10:36:07] <trentster> yes your also talking XXCoder :P
[10:36:15] <XXCoder> and me :P
[10:36:39] <XXCoder> didn't know I owned talking too ;)
[10:36:50] <archivist> but XXCoder you were not following the conversation
[10:37:18] <XXCoder> archivist: I was, just didnt see what trent was thanking lol
[10:38:28] <archivist> Mechanical system design Elder, Gosling Pergamon Press 1965
[10:39:03] <archivist> Design of machine members Vallance, Doughtie McGraw Hill Book Co Inc 1943
[10:41:35] <trentster> archivist: we are going back in time, next one will be building stone machines by plato ;-)
[10:42:01] <archivist> and maybe the best http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=PR28
[10:42:10] <trentster> This looks good http://waset.org/publications/10001003/improvement-on-a-cnc-gantry-machine-structure-design-for-higher-machining-speed-capability
[10:42:16] <archivist> covers the resonance
[10:42:40] <trentster> archivist: nice collection mate :-)
[10:42:58] <archivist> I may have a few books :)
[10:43:03] <XXCoder> trentster: or that 1,500 years old computer
[10:43:27] <XXCoder> someone actually made one out of lego.
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[10:48:13] <trentster> lol, I was laughing today when I saw an instructable cnc router out of wood that is gonna be aweful. There are a ton of people in the comments wanting to copy it - its a shame
[10:48:46] <archivist> it is amusing/sad how idiots follow idiots
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[10:52:05] <trentster> http://www.instructables.com/id/Homebuilt-DIY-CNC-Router-Arduino-Based-GRBL/
[10:52:33] <trentster> archivist: I am not sure I would call them idiots - rather uninformed with lots of room for learning opportunities ;-)
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[10:53:04] <XXCoder> well
[10:53:12] <XXCoder> it may be suffecent for basic uses
[10:53:20] <XXCoder> .01" precision maybe
[10:53:22] <archivist> aaaaaguino based!
[10:53:30] <archivist> .1"
[10:53:51] <archivist> tiny thing rods
[10:53:57] <archivist> thin
[10:54:07] <trentster> XXCoder: I doubt that thing will even get .01" precision
[10:54:10] <XXCoder> yeah probably flex a lot
[10:54:17] <ReadError> threaded rods?
[10:54:24] <ReadError> acme screws are so cheap
[10:54:42] <trentster> its a good machine to use for kindling to get a fire going :P
[10:54:51] <XXCoder> and chinese shitballscrews is good and pretty cheap
[10:55:16] <XXCoder> well
[10:55:25] <XXCoder> video show it does do better than .1"
[10:56:04] <XXCoder> it uses 3 tb6560s?? jeez
[10:56:06] <archivist> and it uses grbl which has bugs in the stepper control (violates acceleration limits)
[10:56:43] <trentster> XXCoder: he is cutting foam
[10:57:02] <XXCoder> trentster: yeah, it may be great for foam, but not wood or (lol) metal
[10:57:37] <trentster> XXCoder: I mean I would like to see what happens to the precision if he tries to cut wood vs foam
[10:57:46] <XXCoder> I know
[10:57:59] <XXCoder> it may be sloppy as hell, with huge backlash
[10:58:28] <trentster> may be = will be
[10:58:34] <Blumax> Hello all
[10:58:41] <XXCoder> still, it may be fun for foam or very soft materials, maybe wax. good enough if you wanna cast stuff
[10:58:50] <XXCoder> hey
[10:59:14] <XXCoder> http://www.instructables.com/id/400-DIY-Drawer-Slide-CNC-Machine/
[10:59:27] <ReadError> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:724999
[10:59:28] <Blumax> Advance sorry for my English. Im French :)
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[11:00:10] <trentster> archivist its amazing how many companies are using arduinos as their controllers, I guess its a cheap and reliable way for them to get machines to market without tying a controller to any OS
[11:00:13] <XXCoder> it looks like he uses ethernet cable for motor power?
[11:00:25] <XXCoder> that may change with VHiP
[11:00:29] <XXCoder> *CHiP
[11:00:48] <XXCoder> Blumax: dont worry too much, english typists has worse english sometimes
[11:00:51] <trentster> btw I was extremely impressed with this machine - these guys built this well https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1029697729/evo-one-desktop-cnc-mill-made-for-anyone
[11:00:54] <archivist> trentster, getting to market trumps quality
[11:01:15] <XXCoder> one of reasons VHS won, other was cheapness
[11:01:27] <trentster> I like how they have recessed the gantry uprights into the enclosure itself - very good design
[11:01:32] <trentster> its not cheap tho
[11:01:57] <XXCoder> not bad
[11:02:02] <XXCoder> lemme look prices lol
[11:02:21] <Blumax> ok :)
[11:02:26] <trentster> yeah prices are crazy but they were fully funded very fast and the campaign is still running
[11:02:30] <XXCoder> nice, it has that decent quality rails
[11:02:34] <XXCoder> expensive yeah
[11:03:29] <XXCoder> even has auto touch
[11:03:50] <trentster> yeah and the spindle range is impressive as hell
[11:04:03] <XXCoder> 2k to 12000 range dang
[11:04:19] <XXCoder> no, 2k to 22k
[11:04:26] <trentster> no its 3000 to 22000rpm
[11:04:32] <XXCoder> yah
[11:04:56] <Blumax> I have Sieg SX2 from arceurotrade, the speed info ouput from GX-16 7 pins, i found a tutorial on the web to get the info on an Arduino, i have change code for display on LCD, now i want collect this info on my PC width paralle port.
[11:04:57] <XXCoder> my spindle beats that, but then it cant change speed lol
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[11:05:29] <trentster> XXCoder: yeah your spindle is like a tesla turbine :P
[11:05:53] <XXCoder> though it means I can use my cnc to grind glass for decocations lol
[11:06:17] <trentster> you can start a friction fire faster than almost anyone here ;-)
[11:06:37] <XXCoder> yeah one of things I have to figure how to prevent
[11:06:53] <XXCoder> blu not ignoring you, just dont know solution :)
[11:07:36] <trentster> Blumax: you looking to migrate from grbl to Linuxcnc and want to know what settings to capture and emulate across?
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[11:08:54] <archivist> arceurotrade usually ships mach3
[11:09:13] <archivist> they are local to me
[11:10:22] <Blumax> not a migrate, i'm a noob on CNC/linuxcnc, i homemade "scan" my X2, and now, i want speed info on linuxcnc for stop job if the spindle stop
[11:11:51] <Blumax> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bauerpeter/23451397022/in/datetaken-public/
[11:12:01] <archivist> you could trigger the estop if speed drops
[11:12:36] <archivist> flickr is broken on some browsers
[11:12:49] <trentster> Blumax: lol is that a suitcase?
[11:13:06] <XXCoder> old style one
[11:13:10] <archivist> I just see an broken error message page
[11:13:20] <XXCoder> firefox?
[11:13:32] <Blumax> yes is suitcase :)
[11:13:43] <XXCoder> nice. still not too sure what to use for mine.
[11:14:17] <Blumax> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bauerpeter/22896059194/in/datetaken-public/
[11:14:19] <trentster> archivist: https://monosnap.com/file/wJilvt4bdRRclSmvLKGJXU6eYWolJP.png
[11:14:57] <Blumax> the red part is printed
[11:15:03] <XXCoder> LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjQxCcpqg4Q&feature=em-subs_digest
[11:15:05] <trentster> Blumax: lol - I wouldent try and get through airport security with that ;-)
[11:15:11] <XXCoder> he uses supernes controller
[11:15:17] <XXCoder> I planned to use my nes one
[11:15:45] <Blumax> lol
[11:16:10] <XXCoder> heh he screws up clamping
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[11:21:32] <enleth> trentster: holy crap this hipster marketing bullshit, I regret clicking on that link now
[11:21:36] <trentster> Blumax: nice use of 3d printing - I especially like your stepper protectors
[11:21:48] <enleth> > Differently from other companies, Evo-One uses a high precision mechanical engineering, higher than the average
[11:21:50] <XXCoder> which link
[11:21:51] <enleth> what.
[11:21:56] <enleth> XXCoder: that kickstarter
[11:22:01] <XXCoder> ah
[11:22:13] <XXCoder> heh reminds me of some other kickstarters. overclaiming
[11:22:17] <Blumax> thx :)
[11:22:19] <trentster> enleth: I think they mean different from other companies in the same space - have a look at the nomad 883
[11:22:31] <XXCoder> it can be very good but then, better than average? dunno
[11:22:34] <enleth> OK, the machine looks neat, it may even *be* well engineered within the constraints of this form factor, but this bullshit
[11:22:51] <enleth> you don't write your claims in that manner and expecto to be taken seriously
[11:23:00] <enleth> at least not by people who have any clue and hate bullshit
[11:23:32] <archivist> they are selling to the lower section of the population
[11:24:09] <archivist> a bit like the crap the audiophools go for
[11:24:26] <XXCoder> heh get your platium audio cables here
[11:24:31] <XXCoder> just $30,000
[11:24:41] <enleth> trentster: I'm not sure they mean anything
[11:24:52] <XXCoder> I'm postive copper cables has atom of platium somewhere in it.
[11:25:52] <Jymmm> XXCoder: No, only the negative cables have platium in them
[11:26:08] <Blumax> You know how to send the speed read by Arduino to linuxcnc on my pc by the paralle port? There may be a tutorial on the web but I can not find.
[11:26:31] <Jymmm> XXCoder: The positive cables have cesium-137 to super charge
[11:27:04] <archivist> Blumax, might be easier to send it to the serial port
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[11:27:36] <Jymmm> archivist: What is this serial port thing you speak of?!
[11:27:50] <archivist> as you will/should be using most input pins already
[11:27:53] <trentster> enleth: its a kickstarter campaign they all look like that mate - its a hipster hype train - destination get me funded land
[11:28:28] <enleth> trentster: well I have seen a few campaings that were not hyped up as fuck
[11:28:33] <Blumax> Yes but it will make me one more cable :(
[11:28:51] <enleth> trentster: and some of them were rather successful
[11:28:56] <Blumax> serial port : https://www.flickr.com/photos/bauerpeter/22932834883/in/datetaken-public/
[11:29:35] <Blumax> I have 5 input, 3 for end-stop XYZ, 2 is free
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[11:30:03] <archivist> Blumax, the simple fact is you dont have enough pins on the parallel port for sensible data
[11:30:14] <trentster> enleth: its not my campaign, just showing the machine there is no other way to link to it than to it - I apologise if it offends you ;-)
[11:31:23] <Blumax> :( I'm go bed crying all the tears in my body
[11:31:36] <enleth> trentster: I'm just highly allergic to bullshit
[11:31:37] <archivist> 2 pins = 4 values possible unless you write some form of encoder to drive something linuxcnc understands
[11:32:57] <enleth> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1623255426/fps1000-the-low-cost-high-frame-rate-camera/description - I'm waiting for this to enter the market, I was late for the campaign, but I'd call that a pretty nice example of a bullshit-free kickstarter
[11:32:57] <XXCoder> Jymmm: lol
[11:33:05] <archivist> you could connect those two pins to an encoder in hal and use quadrature encoded up down signals to send in a speed value
[11:33:30] <XXCoder> heh my favorite kickstarter was exploding kittens. silly but damn is game fun. you can buy one at target now.
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[11:35:37] <Blumax> I do not understand "in hal"
[11:36:01] <XXCoder> hardware astraction level
[11:36:07] <Akex_> Hal c est le fichier hal le fichier de conf Blumax
[11:36:40] <Jymmm> Blumax: Nobody understands hal, dave.
[11:37:04] <Akex_> archivist: just with a spindlle index, linuxcnc can't find a speed ?
[11:38:32] <archivist> Akex_, a single index could be used, but he was trying to encode something with an arduino
[11:39:02] <archivist> the arduino part makes it hard :)
[11:39:26] <Akex_> Ok archivist
[11:39:51] <Blumax> And the speed info from sieg X2 is stupid, see this : http://macpod.net/misc/sx2_tachometer/sx2_tachometer.php
[11:40:51] <Blumax> I know Arduino programming, i can output the signal as i want.
[11:40:56] <trentster> enleth: yeah that looks like an amazing camera
[11:41:27] <Jymmm> "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."
[11:41:31] <archivist> adding a spindle encode makes a lot more sense because that gets speed info and enables rigid tapping
[11:42:19] <Akex_> archivist: he don't want do that
[11:42:27] <archivist> the speed is then accurate (measured) not a guess(command)
[11:42:53] <trentster> Anyone here used clearpath servos yet?
[11:43:00] <Akex_> He want just "spindle at speed" for beguin program
[11:43:04] <trentster> If so opinions on them?
[11:43:36] <archivist> Akex_, that is a single pin he has to drive
[11:43:56] <archivist> connect in hal
[11:45:05] <Akex_> Yes i ever do that but i use 3chanel encoder, i don't knew if work with just index
[11:45:53] <Akex_> No trentster sorry
[11:45:55] <archivist> there is a single index mode used for threading on a lathe
[11:46:14] <Akex_> Ok archivist good answer
[11:46:20] <Akex_> ;)
[11:46:21] <Blumax> In the end, I just want to see my speed, not the order, and stop the execution of gcode if the speed is not correct.
[11:46:38] <Akex_> Other question and the last
[11:46:42] <enleth> http://allegro.pl/tokarka-zabytkowa-rok-1909-unikat-zabytek-i5903045013.html - (sorry for non-english page) I'd buy that if it were a bit cheaper, it's $2500
[11:46:53] <archivist> I know what you want, aaaaaarguino is the hard way
[11:46:58] <enleth> looks almost unused or perfectly maintained
[11:47:42] <archivist> and it is less good in terms of machine usability
[11:47:46] <Akex_> Can i say at linuxcnc , "wait spindle at speed" ?
[11:48:13] <archivist> yes there is an input somewhere for that
[11:48:43] <Akex_> Ok all it's good for Blumax ;)
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[11:49:06] <enleth> double prism ways, quite modern-looking controls, absolutely huge transmission and change gears, this is one good lathe there
[11:49:10] <Akex_> Thanks archivist for your help
[11:49:16] <archivist> motion.spindle-at-speed IN BIT Motion will pause until this pin is TRUE, under the following conditions: before the first feed move after each spindle start or speed change; before the start of every chain of spindle-synchronized moves; and if in CSS mode, at every rapid->feed transition.
[11:50:40] <archivist> the way he wants to read the value will give him true too early
[11:51:03] <XXCoder> lol nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3V42KwLTeE
[11:51:21] <XXCoder> I want one.
[11:52:52] <Akex_> Ok archivist
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[11:59:38] <enleth> There's quite a few German old-timers here - has anyone of you had any experience with Bernardo lathes?
[12:00:07] <enleth> The company is Austrian and the machines look rather nice, but they're suspiciously cheap
[12:00:35] <enleth> I wonder if they're just competent resellers of chinese stuff with good quality control.
[12:01:04] <XXCoder> or rebuilders
[12:01:10] <enleth> http://www.bernardo.at/shop/en/metal/metal-working/profi-700-bqv.html - this looks like a decent entry level lathe to me, for example
[12:03:29] <enleth> And I can get it in Poland, it's quite a bit more expensive than obviously chinese stuff, but cheaper than Sieg's "heavy duty" stuff, the ones with stepped boxy headstocks
[12:03:43] <enleth> It
[12:03:47] <enleth> crap
[12:04:07] <enleth> It's just a little bit outside of my price range, almost manageabe
[12:04:19] <Jymmm> XXCoder: dovetail was nice
[12:04:25] <XXCoder> indeed.
[12:04:37] <XXCoder> hes not only clockmaker but hes also toolmaker.
[12:05:04] <Jymmm> XXCoder: thus the dovetail cutter he made? lol
[12:05:11] <enleth> And it's definitely not a Sieg, the castings don't look like any Sieg model
[12:05:36] <XXCoder> yeah. he makes a lot of tools in video, usually if he uses a custom something he also makes vudeo on it.
[12:05:49] <XXCoder> reason I love that channel. captioning is a big bonus too.
[12:05:58] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Actually I was wondering about the cutter he made =)
[12:06:16] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQaIZtDWMsw
[12:06:19] <Jymmm> XXCoder: it's like making your own drillbit from rod =)
[12:06:24] <enleth> Jymmm: you haven't seen Clickspring before?
[12:07:16] <jthornton> nice it has spring cover on the leadscrew
[12:07:47] <XXCoder> interesting detail on tool problems. guess thats why it dont exist in commerical
[12:08:50] <enleth> jthornton: and there's a separate Y feed bar
[12:11:14] <malcom2073> I enjoy clickspring
[12:12:30] <archivist> enleth, Denford in the uk use that kind of ball screw cover
[12:15:43] <jthornton> I don't see a Y axis on it
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[12:25:48] <Jymmm> OH YEAH BABY!!! http://www.banggood.com/6-In-1-Multi-Metal-Mini-Wood-Lathe-Motorized-Jig-saw-Grinder-Driller-p-934309.html
[12:26:04] <Jymmm> We gotta cnc that!!!
[12:26:33] <XXCoder> cheap device.
[12:26:45] <XXCoder> probably add few c to cnc-ize it
[12:26:50] <archivist> they should rename their site again to bangshite
[12:27:16] <XXCoder> "can't cut copper and other metal"
[12:27:23] <Jymmm> Heh, I wanna see the ship being made on it that picture
[12:27:32] <Jymmm> they*
[12:27:55] <XXCoder> really, a toy machine
[12:28:12] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Doesn't matter, CNC IT!!!
[12:28:25] <Jymmm> you can use toy servos
[12:28:42] <XXCoder> heh guy didnt even cut though wood on mill mode
[12:28:54] <XXCoder> maybe its just to show cut and hide how crappy it is (bad runout)
[12:29:04] <XXCoder> lathe seems ok.
[12:29:19] <XXCoder> maybe not as I see stock move as guy cuts it
[12:29:50] <XXCoder> I rate it .1"
[12:30:10] <XXCoder> still, could be fun heh
[12:31:42] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Rate this biotch http://www.banggood.com/1500mW-Desktop-DIY-Laser-Engraver-Engraving-Machine-Picture-CNC-Printer-p-974159.html
[12:32:02] <__rob> I bet that machine feels like its made of flexible rubber
[12:32:15] <XXCoder> __rob: it looks made from standard extudes
[12:32:22] <XXCoder> but yeah rests probably is
[12:33:25] <Jymmm> Awwwww, it's so cute... http://www.banggood.com/USB-CNC-3-Axis-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Board-Controller-For-DIY-Laser-Engraver-p-975359.html
[12:33:53] <XXCoder> Jymmm: not too bad though I just can't use laser without enclosure,
[12:34:15] <XXCoder> heh banggood rips off google
[12:34:20] <XXCoder> err amazon
[12:34:20] <Jymmm> XXCoder: buy a roll of plastic sheet
[12:36:25] <Jymmm> You know, I might buy one of those knowing what it is. Might be nice for a animated toy or repeated operation.
[12:36:44] <XXCoder> that tiny mill/lathe/whatever?
[12:37:05] <Jymmm> no, the 3axis controller with the nano on it
[12:37:16] <Jymmm> XXCoder: this http://www.banggood.com/USB-CNC-3-Axis-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Board-Controller-For-DIY-Laser-Engraver-p-975359.html
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[12:37:29] <XXCoder> ahh yea
[12:37:41] <Jymmm> it's 12V
[12:37:41] <XXCoder> yeah motors can be for anything really.
[12:38:01] <Jymmm> automated drill press =)
[12:38:20] <XXCoder> basically, one axis mill eh ;)
[12:38:34] <Jymmm> well, aother axis to feed the material
[12:39:31] <XXCoder> wonder how small motors can be. I know there is tiny ones, but steppers>?
[12:39:58] <Jymmm> look at teh laser, it had that baord and nema23 it looked like
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[12:41:39] <XXCoder> http://www.piccolo.cc/ heh
[12:41:51] <XXCoder> there is nema8s I think
[12:41:55] <XXCoder> so it can be pretty tiny
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[12:42:07] <XXCoder> there is nanobeams too so I guess can be pretty darn small.
[12:45:00] <pink_vampire> hi
[12:45:06] <XXCoder> hey
[12:45:36] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Piccolo is kinda cute. even looks crib safe
[12:45:53] <Jymmm> XXCoder: gotta start em young!
[12:46:02] <XXCoder> yep cnc mill for kids lol
[12:46:03] <Jymmm> XXCoder: damn bully preschoolers!
[12:46:55] <pink_vampire> the piccolo look like junk..
[12:47:00] <Jymmm> XXCoder: tattoos!!!
[12:47:22] <XXCoder> sure, wouldnt trust it though, looks quite imprecise.
[12:47:33] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: sure, it could be fun toy though
[12:47:53] <Jymmm> XXCoder: So what? If the dumbass says "sure, I'll get a robotic tattoo"
[12:48:08] <Jymmm> XXCoder: make it twitter fed too =)
[12:48:15] <XXCoder> $10 a minute for 7 min. machine paid off
[12:48:17] <pink_vampire> no, it's work bad even for ploter.
[12:48:18] <Jymmm> ...as to what will be tattooed
[12:48:32] <XXCoder> plotter is serious work
[12:49:32] <pink_vampire> and i wouldn't trust it for tattoos :)
[12:50:14] <XXCoder> I have tattoo since I was 7 something
[12:50:26] <XXCoder> single dot, but yea :P
[12:51:28] <pink_vampire> pencil?
[12:52:19] <XXCoder> yep lol
[12:53:21] <XXCoder> I was just playing with pencil while waiting
[12:53:24] <Jymmm> THIS actually looks kinda cool and useful for tiny projects/parts http://www.banggood.com/5V-12V-ZVS-Induction-Heating-Power-Supply-Module-With-Coil-p-1015637.html
[12:53:42] <XXCoder> I was pushing pencil inward with hands
[12:53:47] <pink_vampire> I wouldn't count that as tattoo
[12:53:56] <XXCoder> guess which hand slipped? the one holding pointy end lol
[12:54:11] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: tattoo is pigment under skin. it counts, though not cool or anything.
[12:55:09] <pink_vampire> so it's just one dot?
[12:55:52] <XXCoder> yep, though I do want real tattoo evenually lol
[12:56:01] <XXCoder> ne that actually mean somethjing
[12:56:11] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I'll do your tattoo for you!
[12:56:22] <archivist> I have single pencil dot too :)
[12:56:33] <pink_vampire> I dont like tattoos
[12:56:35] <XXCoder> yay hey fellow single dotter!
[12:57:03] <XXCoder> I don't really stand on tattoo, but rather what it shows.
[12:57:13] <XXCoder> I dislike skull and stupid tribal thingies
[12:57:13] <Jymmm> XXCoder: and by tattoo, I mean branding. And by branding, I mean clamp your hand/arm/body part in the laser and hit start!
[12:58:02] <Jymmm> XXCoder: We'll brand a dickbutt on your arm
[12:58:19] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://i.imgur.com/j0ymrVQ.png
[12:58:23] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: I hope you are joking..
[12:58:36] <XXCoder> sure if you will tattoo same on your forehead
[12:58:39] <XXCoder> first
[12:59:13] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Deal, but you have to be clamped in the laser before the ink hits me.
[12:59:30] <XXCoder> lol
[12:59:39] <XXCoder> well time to collect Zs. laters
[13:00:18] <Jymmm> XXCoder: hasta
[13:00:23] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: why laser.. do it in a lathe..
[13:00:43] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: I have a laser.
[13:01:39] <pink_vampire> strong enough?
[13:02:14] <Jymmm> yes
[13:03:15] <pink_vampire> how many watts?
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[13:05:20] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: ?
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[13:13:22] <Akex_> archivist: if my spindle stop in milling, because too much power for hi
[13:13:31] <Akex_> Him*
[13:13:46] <Akex_> Can i stop the milling ?
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[13:14:28] <archivist> that is why a spindle encoder is a lot better than something reading the command to the motor
[13:14:31] <Akex_> Sorry , linuxcnc can stop
[13:14:59] <archivist> best to detect a stall and do an estop
[13:15:30] <Blumax> I can simulate an encoder with my Arduino, I can do.
[13:16:15] <archivist> I think there is a disconnect here , understanding cause and effect
[13:16:24] <Akex_> Ok if i understand, if my spindle is 0rpm in real and ex 500rpm in programe, linuxcnc do an estop is that ?
[13:16:25] <pink_vampire> you need to connect aux swich to the braker, and connect it to the E-stop loop
[13:16:56] <archivist> Akex_, anything is possible if you detect the condition
[13:17:12] <pink_vampire> Akex_: what kid a breaker do you have?
[13:17:34] <Akex_> Hy pink_vampire
[13:17:41] <pink_vampire> hi Akex_
[13:17:46] <Akex_> What is breaker ?
[13:18:02] <Akex_> Sorry i don't have a good english ;(
[13:18:22] <pink_vampire> http://www.alliedelec.com/abb-s201-b10/70094362/?mkwid=sabYU23qn&pcrid=30980760979&gclid=CKTui_yilcoCFYQYHwodXCEH1Q
[13:18:37] <pink_vampire> your english is fine..
[13:19:01] <Akex_> Thx ;)
[13:19:45] <Akex_> Okay i kneaw that
[13:20:30] <pink_vampire> so you have a breaker ?
[13:20:42] <pink_vampire> or overload?
[13:20:43] <Akex_> I have 3 breaker for pc , for power supply motor and for motor spindle
[13:22:37] <pink_vampire> and the rate of the breakers, much the current of the spindle motor?
[13:23:22] <Akex_> Yes
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[13:23:54] <pink_vampire> and you have to make sure that that breaker is for inductive load!!
[13:25:10] <pink_vampire> now. if you have double pole breaker you can use one of tham as your E-stop.
[13:25:26] <Akex_> In fact, is a driver of spindle, break if too much power is needed
[13:26:55] <pink_vampire> but the motor is load.. if the motor is 5A and the driver can supply 20A.. you need 5A breaker..
[13:27:22] <_methods> http://www.nemosgarden.com/
[13:27:29] <pink_vampire> what kind a machine is that?
[13:28:02] <Akex_> Is not my machine, i help Blumax beguinner ;)
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[13:28:36] <Blumax> Akex_, is my guru :)
[13:29:02] <Blumax> Il Sieg SX2 from ArcEuroTrade
[13:30:17] <pink_vampire> very similar to the G0704..
[13:30:49] <pink_vampire> you have the original spindle?
[13:31:05] <Akex_> pink_vampire: that is my machine http://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u610/schointss/Mobile%20Uploads/93F40C44-789E-4744-A877-1E4A3B51E011_zpsbhs9izni.jpg
[13:31:39] <Akex_> Yes is it original spindle on blumax's machine
[13:32:18] <Blumax> pink_vampire, my machine : http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Machines-Accessories/Milling-Machines/Model-Super-X2-Plus-Mill/SIEG-Super-X2P-HiTorque-Mill
[13:35:21] <pink_vampire> what did you do to her???!?
[13:37:05] <Akex_> Is for who this question pink_vampire ?
[13:37:54] <pink_vampire> you
[13:39:02] <Akex_> Just for fun ;)
[13:39:19] <_methods> is it concrete?
[13:39:21] <Akex_> Steel aluminum plastic
[13:40:12] <Akex_> _methods: what do you mean ?
[13:40:21] <_methods> http://s1324.photobucket.com/user/schointss/media/A2F4DF52-9A14-49EE-86F7-76FAB1F93469_zpsnsdezzlr.jpg.html?sort=3&o=18
[13:40:59] <Akex_> It s my father ;)
[13:41:07] <_methods> interesting build
[13:41:15] <Akex_> Thx
[13:41:19] <_methods> i like your flight/racing simulator
[13:42:01] <Akex_> I don't make ever my simulator... Maybe never
[13:42:10] <_methods> hahah
[13:42:17] <_methods> at least you started to make something
[13:42:22] <_methods> it looks like it will work good
[13:44:34] <pink_vampire> Blumax: you are working with the original spindle controller?
[13:44:49] <Blumax> yes
[13:45:18] <pink_vampire> we need teamspeak server..
[13:45:18] <Blumax> And have speed witch : macpod.net/misc/sx2_tachometer/sx2_tachometer.php
[13:45:26] <Blumax> http://macpod.net/misc/sx2_tachometer/sx2_tachometer.php
[13:46:26] <archivist> Blumax, that is only sensing the command not the result
[13:47:19] <pink_vampire> Blumax: it's just show the rpm..
[13:47:26] <Blumax> Yes but I just want to have the speed on my screen and stop when there is a problem.
[13:47:43] <archivist> so you need communications
[13:47:59] <archivist> rs232 or some protocol
[13:48:07] <archivist> even usb
[13:48:12] <Blumax> /
[13:48:15] <Blumax> //
[13:48:21] <pink_vampire> to prevent it from pop the breaker, you have to do some measurements
[13:48:47] <Akex_> pink_vampire: what is your machine ?
[13:48:55] <Blumax> if pop, arduino return error
[13:49:30] <pink_vampire> g0704
[13:50:05] <archivist> Blumax, best to get the encoder direct to linuxcnc so it can read the speed with an encoder comp
[13:50:22] <pink_vampire> Blumax: if it pop - you have a bad calculation from the beginning...
[13:50:57] <pink_vampire> you need to be able to run the machine 24/7 without pop anything.
[13:52:48] <pink_vampire> Blumax: ?
[13:53:01] <Blumax> yes
[13:53:21] <pink_vampire> did you see what i say..
[13:53:24] <Blumax> Akex_, je n'ai pas comprit sa question
[13:53:58] <Akex_> Moi non plus :(
[13:54:05] <archivist> pink_vampire, I dont think you have understood his problem
[13:54:11] <Blumax> I'm see but not understen
[13:55:03] <pink_vampire> Blumax: your spindle run fine.. and you just want to show the speed in linux cnc?
[13:56:08] <archivist> but wants to do that with some arduino into the parallel port
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[13:57:04] <archivist> he needs to write a hal comp and mod the arduino code to a common communications protocol
[13:57:11] <Blumax> Width arduino because the controleur send wtf information, width arduino i cinvert signal for linuxcnc
[13:57:17] <archivist> of two pins
[13:57:20] <archivist> over
[13:58:05] <Blumax> 1RPM = 1 pulse
[13:58:10] <Blumax> 500RPM = 500 pulse
[13:58:15] <archivist> linuxcnc understands encoders on a spindle directly without any need for arduino
[13:58:40] <archivist> use an encoder input
[13:59:06] <archivist> scale the encoder output to rpm
[14:01:38] <Blumax> There are no encoder on my machin
[14:01:58] <archivist> read this section http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/examples_spindle.html#cha:Spindle-Feedback
[14:02:34] <archivist> if your arduino gives one pulse per rev you can pretends it is an encoder
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[14:03:15] <Blumax> Yes, I understand, I'll do that
[14:03:39] <pink_vampire> Blumax: if you dont have servo spindle.. why do you want to display the speed of it in the linux cnc?
[14:04:04] <archivist> pink_vampire, read that section I just linked than you see why
[14:04:49] <Akex_> pink_vampire: the spindle is very cheap, if it stop, he want stop x y z move, for safe tool
[14:04:59] <Blumax> Si ma fraiseuse stop (si je casse un outil par exemple), je veux que linuxcnc arrete l'usinage.
[14:05:15] <Blumax> Mon sauveur est là !
[14:05:23] <Akex_> Lol
[14:05:38] <Akex_> Do you see i say pink_vampire ?
[14:05:42] <Blumax> If my milling stop (if I break a tool, for example), I want linuxcnc stops machining.
[14:06:11] <archivist> machine will keep spinning with a broken tool
[14:06:30] <pink_vampire> you can just close a relay with the arduino to break the E-stop loop.. for that you don't need any encoder..
[14:06:43] <archivist> estop is what you really want to wire up for breakages
[14:07:55] <_methods> well it would be very useful to have it detect a drop in rpm to prevent tool breakage
[14:08:23] <archivist> broken tool being too late :)
[14:08:28] <_methods> exactly
[14:09:06] <pink_vampire> you need to set the speed in and lock it in the arduino and program some tolerance. like 20%.. so if the speed that the arduino read go below of 80%, it need to send break the E-stop loop
[14:09:31] <pink_vampire> *need to break the E-stop loop
[14:09:42] <_methods> that's exactly what he's been saying
[14:09:45] <Akex_> Maybe yes pink_vampire is a solution
[14:10:23] <pink_vampire> do you have 5V relay?
[14:10:52] <pink_vampire> and 1 push button for the "set"
[14:11:11] <_methods> he wants it to read the commanded rpm from gcode in linuxcnc
[14:11:47] <pink_vampire> _methods: but he need some encoder for that...
[14:11:53] <Akex_> He can read the rpm with a pwm no ?
[14:12:02] <_methods> you could but it won't be accurate
[14:12:06] <archivist> nope pwm going out
[14:12:50] <Akex_> Comanded speed i say
[14:13:28] <pink_vampire> maybe you can imitate the A, B signals with the arduino..
[14:14:08] <archivist> only needs one for speed only
[14:14:16] <pink_vampire> so the computer will think you connect an encoder to it..
[14:14:18] <Akex_> Pc(linuxcnc)>pwm>arduino in for kneaw the spindle commanded
[14:14:51] <Akex_> Yes i think it s possible pink_vampire
[14:15:23] <pink_vampire> so look the the signal diagram of cui or some encoders..
[14:15:54] <pink_vampire> http://www.cui.com/product/resource/amt10-v.pdf
[14:16:02] <Akex_> Is not hard encoder signal
[14:16:11] <pink_vampire> page 2
[14:16:43] <pink_vampire> counter-clockwise rotation
[14:17:30] <Akex_> Yes but archivist say: just for a speed, just the index is good
[14:17:39] <Akex_> No need a and b channel
[14:18:04] <pink_vampire> if linux cnc can work with just A signal, go for it!
[14:18:10] <archivist> he will want all three for rigid tapping
[14:18:43] <archivist> an encoder will be essential then
[14:19:21] <pink_vampire> archivist: what about absolute encoder for the spindle?
[14:19:40] <pink_vampire> I'm asking that for my machine..
[14:19:41] <Akex_> Yes 2 phase for cw or ccw
[14:20:17] <archivist> pink_vampire, use incremental I dont thing absolute of a spindle helps one bit
[14:20:37] <pink_vampire> linux cnc can read absolute encoders ?
[14:20:40] <Akex_> I agree with that
[14:21:15] <archivist> pink_vampire, probably with some mesa cards
[14:21:56] <JT-Shop> routed the DB25 cable away from everything else electrical and still get a flood of sserial errors http://gnipsel.com/files/bp/BP1-6-16.txt
[14:22:37] <JT-Shop> funny thing is it was working ok at one time with 2.7.3 but not now... well it's not really funny
[14:22:37] <pink_vampire> but for example, If i want to make a tool changer for R8 I need to get the spindle in the correct angle to the nach will go in..
[14:22:52] <archivist> JT-Shop, I would be scoping for noise and causes
[14:23:08] <Akex_> Pink you can do that with a incremental encoder
[14:23:32] <pink_vampire> you have to reset it every time..
[14:23:36] <archivist> pink_vampire, you just need the index so you know one position(home)
[14:23:41] <Akex_> M19 if i good remember
[14:24:07] <archivist> some absolute encoders have revolution limits
[14:24:27] <archivist> incremental have no limits
[14:24:51] <JT-Shop> if only I knew how to use the scope I have...
[14:25:22] <pink_vampire> if I will do it, I think I will make dedicated controller for that.. so the cnc controller will send the command to change tool, and my controller will take care of it.
[14:26:16] <pink_vampire> also I need to think how to make electrical and quiet power drawbar..
[14:26:25] <Akex_> I beguin that pink_vampire with arduino and serial
[14:26:27] <Blumax> Thx for all
[14:26:41] <archivist> pink_vampire, it is all within lunuxcnc (classic ladder), why do things the hard way
[14:27:37] <pink_vampire> more control..
[14:27:48] <archivist> I doubt it
[14:27:55] <Akex_> pink_vampire: my diy drawbar ;)
[14:27:59] <Akex_> https://youtu.be/nUqBDm3O470
[14:28:19] <pink_vampire> you know that I like to make stuff on the most complicated way :)
[14:29:29] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rotary-Encoder-CLS-65-4096-R-M2-H03-Encom-K2-24-Bit-TWK-Elektronik-Interbus-S-/291638099492
[14:29:48] <archivist> look up the spec, limited rotation count
[14:29:53] <pink_vampire> Akex_: very nice - but too noisy..
[14:30:50] <Akex_> Roooo ;)
[14:31:03] <Akex_> And i make that for atc
[14:31:06] <Akex_> http://youtu.be/8wd96aD9c1c
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[14:31:31] <Akex_> Number blinking = tool number
[14:31:36] <pink_vampire> 24 bitwow
[14:31:40] <archivist> JT-Shop, what is difficult to convey is all the rules for wiring sometimes are in conflict
[14:32:21] <JT-Shop> yes, when house wiring rules and machine wiring rules cross over there seems to be some confusion
[14:33:00] <archivist> and noise is just something else
[14:34:00] <archivist> of which there is common mode noise (star reduces), capacitive coupling, magnetic/inductive coupling
[14:35:29] <archivist> the list threads each had people on their own hobby horse of one of the sources :(
[14:37:10] <archivist> JT-Shop, another thing you may have seen is conductive seals around the case doors
[14:37:43] <archivist> without those, the slot becomes an antenna
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[14:38:29] <JT-Shop> the doors are open or off
[14:39:03] <archivist> so the noisy left side can mess up the control side
[14:40:31] <JT-Shop> even if they are on opposite sides of the machine facing away from each other?
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[14:42:35] <archivist> depends of the frequency and method of transmission and any rf reflecting surfaces
[14:45:34] <JT-Shop> I disconnected all the 240v part, VFD and step down transformer and no change at all
[14:45:45] <JT-Shop> I'll try a different bit file in a bit
[14:52:51] <pink_vampire> https://i.chzbgr.com/full/4859034368/hF5F098CF/
[15:07:11] <Jymmm> I REALLY want one, but I can't think of anything that I could do with it that I couldn't do with my propane torch... http://www.banggood.com/5V-12V-ZVS-Induction-Heating-Power-Supply-Module-With-Coil-p-1015637.html
[15:10:07] <cradek> > tested it with a small paper clip It was able to heat it red hot in aprox 45 secs
[15:10:28] <cradek> I'm not sure what this would be useful for
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[15:10:41] <archivist> hot paper clips!
[15:10:45] <cradek> you can heat a paper clip to red hot in a candle flame in two seconds
[15:10:52] <cradek> (untested)
[15:11:29] <archivist> for even heating, sand and an oven ring
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[15:14:08] <Jymmm> I still think induction heating is cool
[15:15:45] <archivist> nah, it is hot, if it works
[15:15:57] <Jymmm> lol
[15:20:45] <Jymmm> CNC Glue gun? http://www.banggood.com/All-Metal-MK8-Extruder-Assembled-Kit-For-3D-Printer-p-956782.html
[15:29:01] <Jymmm> These work pretty good... http://www.banggood.com/4PCS-Double-Side-Damaged-Screw-Extractor-Out-Remover-Bolt-Stud-Tool-p-961913.html
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[15:36:33] <Jymmm> XXCoder: This one, you get a WHOLE arduino http://www.banggood.com/CNC-Shield-V3-3D-Printer-Expansion-BoardA4988-DriverUNO-R3-p-967060.html
[15:39:54] <JT-Shop> lol I can't even get 2.6 to run now
[15:41:00] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: what are you trying to do?
[15:44:01] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SBw6nVvJSo
[15:44:06] <ssi> morn
[15:44:42] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: :(
[15:45:43] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Actually, the reason I asked about AvE is that he seems to have deleted a most excellent mail-in video where he receives a bunch of Swedish tools.
[15:45:57] <FinboySlick> In the off chance that you would have saved it.
[15:47:13] <SpeedEvil> I hate the removal of youtubes 'video response'
[15:47:35] <SpeedEvil> It sucks for technical video channels
[15:49:59] <ReadError> was grepping my logs looking, but whats the next newest low latency cpu (d525 is unavail), notice pcw_home said G3258 a while back
[15:50:10] <pink_vampire> I'm going to cook...
[15:54:20] <Roguish> ReadError: the J1900 boards are pretty good. I'm using an AsRock Q1900M (pcie). like it a lot. boots pretty fast too.
[15:55:32] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Yeah, that sucks. If I REALLY like certain content, I download it anymore.
[15:56:56] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: I learned that lesson years ago.
[15:57:12] <ReadError> Roguish what kind of jitter do you get?
[15:57:51] <Roguish> heck, i don't recall off hand, but i know it's very low. I run all servos (hate steppers with a passion).
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[15:58:32] <ReadError> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157497&cm_re=J1900-_-13-157-497-_-Product
[15:58:43] <ReadError> not a bad deal and has a parallel port which is odd these days
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[15:59:21] <Jymmm> ReadError: Usually it's there, just as a header only, and the DB25 is via ribbon cable.
[15:59:27] <Roguish> JT-Shop, I think there is only one solution: move, completely move. pick up the whole homestead and move to another state..... start all over again.
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[16:00:48] <Roguish> ReadError, yeah, that's about it... 4g mem, small ssd, and you're in there.
[16:02:15] <Roguish> I keep an external usb cd/dvd drive to load stuff, and usb keyboard and rat.. and of course a simple 17" lcd monitor.
[16:03:51] <Roguish> and i use a small ps like this: http://www.amazon.com/Mini-PicoPSU-150-XT-DC-DC-power-supply/dp/B0045WFZSQ/ref=sr_1_7?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1452096193&sr=1-7&keywords=pico+power+supply
[16:05:00] <Roguish> just be careful that everything matches up. including your intended Mesa board (if you're going to use a Mesa).
[16:05:53] <ReadError> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135393
[16:06:00] <ReadError> wow dirt cheap
[16:06:09] <ReadError> has LPT broken out too..
[16:08:39] <ReadError> grabbed just because
[16:11:38] <JT-Shop> you think I'm on top of an Indian burial ground?
[16:12:04] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: have you been playing with your tractor lately?
[16:15:22] <Roguish> JT-Shop, could be, you apparently have pissed off the good foo gods.
[16:22:29] <JT-Shop> which one Jymmm
[16:23:01] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: The one that is sitting on top of the burial grounds =)
[16:26:57] <Jymmm> 150mm linear scale and DRO http://www.banggood.com/0-150mm-0_01mm-Remote-Digital-Readout-linear-Scale-External-Display-p-979835.html
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[16:29:46] <JT-Shop> that could be any of them
[16:30:41] <Jymmm> Then I guess you'll hve to figure out which one you pissed off the most ;)
[16:31:56] <pink_vampire> why the dro have usb plug?
[16:32:06] <pcw_home> JT-Shop: remember if you re-install 2.6 you have to re-enable the watchdog petting function
[16:35:39] <JT-Shop> I remember now that you remind me :)
[16:42:26] <JT-Shop> I'm running now :) but I still get one sserial error while homing so more checking
[16:51:51] <Jymmm> $16 for coolant setup http://www.banggood.com/Mist-Coolant-Lubrication-Spray-System-Metal-Cutting-Engraving-Machine-Cooling-Sprayer-p-987371.html
[16:51:58] <Roguish> JT-Shop. have you considered scrapping the sserial thing for a while, just to get going again?
[16:55:25] <jdh> mist gets inhaled
[16:55:31] <FloppyDisk> Roguish: He's doing that by trying 2.6. We see the errors (more commonly) in 2.7. Although, we have the problem in 2.6, it mostly ignores it.
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[16:59:40] <JT-Shop> Roguish: pm
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[17:38:17] <JT-Shop> I'd still like to know where the problem is on the BP...
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[17:50:24] <Jymmm> $11 Open energy chain http://www.banggood.com/18mm-x-37mm-Openable-Plastic-Cable-Drag-Chain-1M-Long-Wire-Carrier-Drag-Chain-p-1009763.html
[17:51:20] <CaptHindsight> you can trust the name "Bang good" for all your needs!
[17:51:57] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: They love you long time!
[17:52:07] <CaptHindsight> look at the their logo
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[17:54:11] <CaptHindsight> much better than shitwell or kertvise
[17:55:22] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: (I don't know those two places)
[17:59:32] <CaptHindsight> whosgottah 8" diameter vacuum chuck for use up to ~10K rpm
[17:59:36] <CaptHindsight> ?
[18:00:56] * Jymmm has a vacuum pump, but that's about it.
[18:01:39] <CaptHindsight> well maybe only 6k rpm for vacuum
[18:04:27] <Jymmm> slushy snowy rain, it aint even sticking =(
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[18:05:00] <Jymmm> melting before it even hits the ground =(
[18:05:43] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: is this severely impacting your ski jumping?
[18:06:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Heh, no, just my enjoyment of seeing a nice blanket of snow.
[18:07:26] <Jymmm> flakes are getting bigger, still not sticking though
[18:10:57] <Jymmm> This is funny... http://www.banggood.com/HUK-High-Sensitivity-Locksmith-Tools-Sounds-Amplifier-Pick-up-Special-for-Safe-p-1025713.html
[18:13:09] <Jymmm> I'll give $100 to anyone that can use that to open a real safe (S&G grp II)
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[18:20:02] <FloppyDisk> Jymmm: $11 energy chain--> times are a changing, it's amazing what you can buy for some industrial items...
[18:22:42] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk: Hey, sometimes you don't need $150 worth of stuff, and $11 is better then just letting things hang.
[18:22:55] <FloppyDisk> agreed...
[18:23:46] <Jymmm> It's openable too, bonus so you dont' have to undo/redo any connectors/fittings.
[18:24:09] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: Can I accellerate it to 20km/s first?
[18:24:27] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Sure.... once.
[18:25:24] <FloppyDisk> SpeedEvil: Sure, just do it at an acceleration of .2m/s/s :-) you'll need a lot of chain.
[18:25:54] <Jymmm> $50 to $70 (8 to 18") linear actuator 12vdc http://www.banggood.com/200250300450mm-Stroke-90KG-Load-Mini-Electric-Actuator-Linear-Tubular-Motor-Motion-12V-DC-p-1017515.html
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[18:27:32] <FloppyDisk> Does it look like that truck picture is 18"? Seems longer...
[18:27:48] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: interesting
[18:27:52] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk: I think the 18" is the stroke
[18:28:26] <FloppyDisk> I agree, but they have a picture of a red pickup w/ 2 actuators lifting the bed cover, seems like > 18" stroke, could be wrong.
[18:28:47] <FloppyDisk> I like the TV image, want to do that:-)
[18:28:52] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk: but it's at the mid way point
[18:29:11] <Jymmm> as long as it has the torque
[18:29:25] <SpeedEvil> FloppyDisk: 6mm/s - ~1-2 mins for a TV
[18:29:50] <FloppyDisk> hahahahah... Might be good so I'll not want to wait and turn it on:-)
[18:31:13] <FloppyDisk> Jymmm: Mid point - so the truck bed is 18" plus some extra for the length of the actuator? Let's say 18" stroke and 6" for the actuator, that truck bed would be about 4 feet long? I don't buy it...
[18:31:54] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk: you would be surprised.
[18:32:24] <FloppyDisk> Either way, heckuva price for small actuator...
[18:32:38] <pink_vampire> SpeedEvil: you can use pneumatics, and get the TV mount on the ceiling for free
[18:33:26] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk: Yeah, if you just need something simplistic and dont want t deal with all the mechanics
[18:33:30] <FloppyDisk> Jymmm: Going back to that truck, just noticed the batteries in the bed, bet that's an elec conversion? cute.
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[18:33:43] <SpeedEvil> It would be awesome if you could get performance common to muscles in actuators.
[18:33:49] <SpeedEvil> ~100W/kg or so.
[18:33:55] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk: Nah, I bet it's just a portable stereo
[18:34:03] <SpeedEvil> This is in principle achievable, but tricky to make at all reliable
[18:35:00] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk: I know ppl that would buy cheap trucks (new), then turn them into stereos for competitions.
[18:35:30] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk: The battery banks were needed for the amps =)
[18:35:36] <FloppyDisk> Jymmm: ohhhh.... that would be cool.
[18:35:37] <Jymmm> and like 200A alternators
[18:36:08] <FloppyDisk> Those actuators would be perfect for that, cool to show, but not used 'too much.'
[18:36:16] <Jymmm> FloppyDisk: There would be 12 speakers in each door alone. They would have to install full plates just to support the doors
[18:36:22] <Jymmm> from the weight.
[18:37:00] <FloppyDisk> What? I can't hear you from the stereo being too loud:-)
[18:37:20] <pink_vampire> http://www.backyardgreen.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=233
[18:39:20] <Jymmm> I couldn't figure out what the button is for... It's to be able to exit (if there is electricity that is =) http://www.banggood.com/Electric-Control-Access-Lock-XJL-SJ100-For-Video-Door-Bell-Etc-p-83628.html
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[18:43:34] <Jymmm> I have the 3A version, and paid the same as this 6A one, I love this thing... http://www.banggood.com/B3606-NC-Digital-DC-DC-Step-Down-Buck-Module-Constant-Voltage-Current-p-947293.html
[18:50:36] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-fP7WdJb/0/X2/CA_01061613473859-X2.jpg
[18:50:43] <ReadError> ghetto boring bar is workin nice ;)
[18:51:41] <Jymmm> V-Groove bearings, 20 for $6 http://www.banggood.com/20pcs-3x12x4mm-Deep-V-Groove-Pulley-Rail-Ball-Bearing-Metal-Sealed-Guide-Wire-Pulley-V623ZZ-p-1022348.html
[18:52:03] <malcom2073> Heh itty bitties
[18:52:48] <Jymmm> maybe they have bigger ones too
[18:54:05] <Jymmm> Uh, anyone need a $2 EMERGENCY stop button? lol http://www.banggood.com/N-or-O-N-or-C-Emergency-Stop-Switch-Push-Button-Mushroom-4-Screw-Terminals-p-918865.html
[18:55:00] <anomynous> why not?
[18:55:05] <anomynous> it only has to work once
[18:55:27] <Jymmm> anomynous: Well, that's the problem, aint it?
[18:56:14] <anomynous> why?
[18:56:34] <Jymmm> anomynous: It may not work that one time =)
[18:56:34] <anomynous> if theres emergencies too often there a safety problem
[18:57:38] <SpeedEvil> Why do no phones offer scream-actuated emergency calls?
[18:57:41] <anomynous> i get chills from thinking of dead man switches. Im glad we dont have them
[18:58:11] <SpeedEvil> dead-man switches are more a case of 'no fucking-off' in most cases.
[18:58:13] <anomynous> we have bybassed machining centre doors too for convinience. And the limit switches in the one im at dont work too well
[18:58:24] <SpeedEvil> ah
[18:58:27] <anomynous> what does that mean
[18:58:44] <SpeedEvil> I mean that you have a deadman switch to ensure a watched process is always watched
[18:58:57] <anomynous> thats just...
[18:58:59] <Jymmm> Like a train
[18:59:13] <anomynous> ive seen dead man switch in a haas
[18:59:20] <anomynous> is that like optional for you
[18:59:29] <anomynous> or is it some employer tool
[18:59:49] <SpeedEvil> A variant is for safety purposes - to ensure the operator is not touching the sharp bits
[19:00:05] <skunkworks> anti-tiedown
[19:00:07] <SpeedEvil> for example, chainsaws require two hands to operate both grips before the chainwill go
[19:00:15] <anomynous> no it doesnt
[19:00:16] <anomynous> :D
[19:00:18] <CaptHindsight> I thought they were so that machine could still operate even if the operator was dead thereby boosting production and efficiency :)
[19:00:25] <malcom2073> "Warning, do not attempt to stop chainsaw with hands or groin"
[19:00:58] <anomynous> SpeedEvil: never used a chainsaw that requires two hands for it to work
[19:01:01] <anomynous> or seen
[19:01:04] <Jymmm> malcom2073: but but but it feels so good!
[19:01:23] <malcom2073> Creepy
[19:01:30] <anomynous> why?
[19:01:49] <CaptHindsight> how would you operate a chainsaw in each hand if each takes two hands to operate, sounds fishy
[19:01:49] <anomynous> you dont need someone to tell you you better hold it with two hands?
[19:02:01] <malcom2073> anomynous: in response to Jymmm
[19:02:15] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Like he said, why?
[19:02:27] <malcom2073> Jymmm: I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer that :)
[19:02:38] <anomynous> CaptHindsight: i thought SpeedEvil was talking of a safety feature
[19:02:39] <SpeedEvil> Err - I mean - designing the tool so that it is hard to attempt to use with one hand.
[19:02:40] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I'm sure you actually are!
[19:02:49] <anomynous> ok
[19:03:08] <SpeedEvil> In some cases this extends so it's physically impossible to do so by requiring two buttons pressed. my hedgetrimmer does this.
[19:03:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2015/06/29/_ash-vs-evil-dead-03.jpg
[19:03:53] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I hate that
[19:04:13] <anomynous> so are dead man switches required in us or in some states?
[19:04:20] <anomynous> in machining centres or lathes or something
[19:04:35] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: in this case, it's pretty impossible to use one-handed anyway
[19:04:37] <anomynous> if you can potentially get your hand in a moving part
[19:05:22] <SpeedEvil> anomynous: health and safety laws and interpretations of them vary
[19:05:38] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: There is that interlock on my craftsman sawzall, annoying as hell. I mean I get it so you dont saw off your leg, but I tend to fight it more than anythign else
[19:06:05] <SpeedEvil> anomynous: In many cases, either you are required to have interlocks, or if you've disabled them, and there is an accident at your company, you will be presumed to be at fault
[19:06:20] <SpeedEvil> (you being the company that permitted the defeating
[19:06:33] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: where is the interlock?
[19:07:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: http://c.shld.net/rpx/i/s/i/spin/image/spin_prod_745504312??hei=64&wid=64&qlt=50
[19:07:43] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: On mine, it's spring loaded
[19:07:50] <CaptHindsight> never saw one on a sawzall before
[19:08:06] <CaptHindsight> so thats where the duct tape goes
[19:08:32] <Jymmm> Nice, 63/37 solder.... http://www.banggood.com/200g-1mm-6337-Tinlead-Rosin-Core-FLUX-2_0-Soldering-Wire-p-985801.html
[19:09:08] <CaptHindsight> rohs free lead solder
[19:09:08] <Jymmm> getting harder and harder to find
[19:09:48] <Jymmm> and I love 63/37!
[19:10:03] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: you just need to use high temp soldering iron
[19:10:37] <Jymmm> no you dont
[19:11:12] <CaptHindsight> imagine opening a time capsule 100 years from now finding tin/lead solder, cigarettes, any data disks, and power tools without interlocks
[19:12:00] <cradek> computers that you can choose what they do
[19:12:35] <CaptHindsight> in the future computers choose you
[19:13:32] <CaptHindsight> cradek: whats your guess, maybe 10 more years before that's common
[19:13:46] <cradek> predictions are hard, especially predictions of the future
[19:14:05] <CaptHindsight> no need for a general purpose PC
[19:14:31] <CaptHindsight> everything will have a computer/monitoring device built in
[19:15:17] <Jymmm> resistance is futile...
[19:15:44] <CaptHindsight> winders and M$ Office are going into cars
[19:15:53] <CaptHindsight> http://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/01/05/automakers-choose-microsoft-as-connected-car-partner/
[19:16:26] <CaptHindsight> sure there will be a Google version as well
[19:17:11] <_methods> damn just when cars were getting almost reliable
[19:17:15] <CaptHindsight> should speed up with the Internet of Things
[19:17:34] <CaptHindsight> cars blue screened on the shoulder
[19:17:42] <_methods> hehe
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[19:19:33] <CaptHindsight> at the same time if we are going to have 9 Billion people by 2050 how will this collide?
[19:19:35] <anomynous> mm. now the bell works too for irssi window
[19:19:36] <anomynous> :D
[19:20:08] <CaptHindsight> will the prices drop to near zero for devices?
[19:22:01] <cradek> already are (paid for by the subscription you're forced to buy)
[19:23:23] <CaptHindsight> well most people don't seem to mind so we are just weirdos :)
[19:23:55] <anomynous> most people have other things to worry about
[19:24:04] <CaptHindsight> nice plan
[19:24:08] <CaptHindsight> works well
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[20:14:46] <Demure_> So I found some interesting parts on a flea market and I have no clue on the intended use. At first it looks like a simple linear actuator with 1A stepper and home switch, except that every part has TWO linear actuators mounted side by side on the same axis, one extending further than the other
[20:14:52] <Demure_> What possible use could a double axis have?
[20:15:08] <Demure_> Or rather, what use could it have to turn it into something fun? :)
[20:16:33] <CaptHindsight> extended the range of motion if one is mounted on the stage of the other
[20:16:45] <CaptHindsight> like a telescope
[20:17:04] <_methods> pics or it didn't happen
[20:17:24] <CaptHindsight> I'd accept a chalk outline
[20:17:25] <Demure_> But they're not mounted on top of each other, rather side by side
[20:17:29] <Demure_> Let me take a picture
[20:17:53] <CaptHindsight> Demure_: can each operate independently of each other?
[20:18:08] <Demure_> Yes!
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[20:21:11] <Demure_> http://imgur.com/a/jLjzv
[20:21:13] <CaptHindsight> you could use it to aim things like a gun sight or laser
[20:21:21] <Demure_> Ignore shitty image quality and background
[20:21:31] <Demure_> Yeah the only thing I could come up with was an optics stage
[20:22:24] <CaptHindsight> bottle opener
[20:22:32] <Demure_> I got 3 of 'em since the price was cheap even for parts, but was wondering if there was any obvious use for a side by side axis that I'm missing out on
[20:22:47] <Demure_> Why would you need two axis to open a bottle?
[20:23:24] <CaptHindsight> you can but you don't have to
[20:23:46] <_methods> they obviously needed to adjust 2 sepearate axes for something
[20:23:57] <CaptHindsight> operate a lever
[20:25:03] <CaptHindsight> one to mount the fulcrum, the other to provide the motion
[20:26:04] <Demure_> I suppose that would make sense, especially with the mounting points on the axis. Thanks :)
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[20:26:53] <CaptHindsight> depth measurement with redundancy or for two points at once
[20:26:59] <andypugh> Demure_: If you got three of them you have the basis of a hexapod
[20:28:23] <CaptHindsight> thickness gauge
[20:28:54] <Demure_> Wouldn't you need the two axis to change angle between each other for a hexapod?
[20:29:46] <CaptHindsight> they look about the distance apart of the levers on a Rock'em Sock'em Robots
[20:32:11] <Demure_> Thank god, now I can finally program an AI so I don't have to play against actual people, haha.
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[20:50:38] <CaptHindsight> Demure_: http://www.sisweb.com/art/lc/kdsgemini88.jpg
[20:52:28] <Demure_> That's a clever way of creating exact mixing ratios, didn't know such a device existed. :)
[20:52:56] <CaptHindsight> the list goes on...
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[21:09:41] <aventtini6> hello guys
[21:10:33] <FAalbers> hello guy
[21:10:43] <FAalbers> girl
[21:10:47] <FAalbers> person
[21:11:48] <aventtini6> :))
[21:12:22] <aventtini6> i have a problem with a 3d taster
[21:12:28] <aventtini6> and i dont understand why
[21:12:49] <aventtini6> hi have center the ball with the clock at 0,002
[21:14:01] <aventtini6> when i get the taster out and turn it in the spindle
[21:14:15] <aventtini6> it shows 0,050mm
[21:16:17] <andypugh> How did you centre it, it not in the spindle?
[21:16:54] <andypugh> Anyway, ideally you need to centre it in the spindle. It needs to be exactly on the spindle axis.
[21:17:15] <andypugh> Demure_: Add 12 spherical bearings, and you have a hexapod.
[21:17:31] <aventtini6> its was center in the spindle like in the manual
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[21:18:02] <aventtini6> the taster is from hoffman
[21:18:16] <andypugh> Demure_: Something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPE3Qr-ECtQ
[21:19:22] <andypugh> aventtini6: I have no idea how the manual told you to do it.
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[21:19:44] <aventtini6> put the taster in the spindle
[21:20:15] <aventtini6> rotate and ajust until the another dial shows 0
[21:20:23] <aventtini6> and it shows corect
[21:20:51] <andypugh> So, how does that setup differ from the other one that gives you 0,05?
[21:21:04] <aventtini6> but if i get it out and rotate it 180 and put it back it shows 0,005
[21:21:09] <aventtini6> 0,050
[21:21:36] <aventtini6> now if i put it back as i made the ajustament it shows 0
[21:21:48] <andypugh> Ah
[21:22:09] <aventtini6> i have 4 taster and it make same
[21:22:15] <aventtini6> on all of them
[21:22:17] <andypugh> Check that is isnt hanging up on the drive dogs.
[21:22:48] <aventtini6> tirette ?
[21:22:54] <aventtini6> you mean ?
[21:22:59] <aventtini6> no
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[21:23:07] <aventtini6> drive dogs are out for testing
[21:23:22] <aventtini6> i have clean it
[21:23:39] <aventtini6> i was thinking about pulling clow
[21:23:53] <andypugh> I hate to say this, but have you checked the spindle taper runs true?
[21:24:00] <aventtini6> or bad bearings
[21:24:17] <aventtini6> cw?
[21:24:28] <aventtini6> or ccw ?
[21:25:32] <aventtini6> the only thing im now thining all the milling head is not in 0 position
[21:25:59] <aventtini6> when i make 180 and it shows diffrent that means axis of the spindle is diffrent
[21:26:01] <aventtini6> right?
[21:26:21] <aventtini6> so all the milling head is not in 0 position
[21:26:47] <andypugh> No, head tram can’t do that.
[21:26:50] <aventtini6> or machine bearings are bad
[21:27:22] <andypugh> Whatever is of-centre is a rotating component.
[21:28:13] <aventtini6> http://3.imimg.com/data3/MV/KM/MY-1119845/taper-mandrels-250x250.jpg
[21:28:20] <aventtini6> i need this to test
[21:28:22] <aventtini6> :(
[21:29:13] <aventtini6> did zee open the spindle of the mikron ?
[21:29:35] <aventtini6> im thinking to change the spindle bearings
[21:29:43] <andypugh> You can make one… Hold some bar stock in a collet. Turn it in-situ with the mill as a lathe. Remove it, rotate 180, measure run-out
[21:29:46] <aventtini6> its a 85 machine
[21:30:09] <aventtini6> it must be grinded
[21:30:42] <aventtini6> problem is 2 of my mikrons make same shit
[21:30:45] <aventtini6> :))))
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[21:33:34] <aventtini6> or http://g04.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1.BsoJFXXXXXUXVXXq6xXFXXXn/BT40-4-font-b-Petal-b-font-font-b-Clamp-b-font-Pull-claw-for-cnc.jpg
[21:33:43] <aventtini6> this can be a problem andy ?
[21:35:48] <andypugh> Yes, or so I have heard
[21:36:04] <andypugh> (I don’t understand how, but I have heard it a few times)
[21:36:19] <aventtini6> now i cant find din2080 style
[21:36:26] <aventtini6> on aliexpress
[21:36:49] <andypugh> I made my own. But it was a lot of effort
[21:37:13] <aventtini6> my has 4 jows
[21:37:23] <andypugh> So does mine
[21:38:05] <aventtini6> i have put some tipografic blue paint on it and the put the holder in and it get all of them
[21:38:25] <aventtini6> but i dont how in what condition
[21:38:50] <aventtini6> i was thinking to weld it whit the laser
[21:39:00] <aventtini6> and add 0.010mm
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[21:40:10] <aventtini6> we have some one on the from that made some spindle repairs ?
[21:40:22] <andypugh> You could rotate the drawbar and see if the eccentricity rotates with the drawbar or with the toolholder.
[21:40:41] <aventtini6> good point
[21:42:29] <aventtini6> i see on you tube there is a siance to repair spindle
[21:43:16] <andypugh> Yes, you can gave the bearings changed, and then have the taper re-ground in the bearings.
[21:43:23] <andypugh> But, it’s expensive.
[21:43:48] <andypugh> Do you see any run-out with a milling cutter in a good holder?
[21:44:01] <andypugh> Maybe the taper on the probe isn’t quite right?
[21:44:20] <aventtini6> its a H7 codlet
[21:44:46] <andypugh> A codlet sounds like a baby fish :-)
[21:44:48] <aventtini6> i was thinkind the same
[21:45:26] <aventtini6> the simple way is to test whit the mandrel bar
[21:45:32] <aventtini6> and see exacly
[21:45:36] <andypugh> You might just need to be careful to always put the probe in in the same orientation.
[21:45:38] <aventtini6> that bar is a h7
[21:45:44] <aventtini6> yes
[21:45:59] <aventtini6> that was what im doing
[21:46:03] <andypugh> You don’t care about a test bar. You care about your milling cutters.
[21:46:08] <aventtini6> just ruin a 15000 euro mold
[21:46:10] <aventtini6> :)))
[21:46:51] <andypugh> H7 is a fit specification, as far as I am aware, not a surface finish or concentricity measure.
[21:47:13] <aventtini6> problem whit the milling cutters is that the are not prefect in the codlets
[21:47:31] <aventtini6> the usualy have a 0,030 -0.020
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[21:50:24] <andypugh> But you can also do the test of marking the higj-spot, rotating 180 and seeing if it goes the same way or a different way, and the same amount.
[22:01:15] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:03:35] <CaptHindsight> anyone have a spin coater they want to be rid of?
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[22:05:15] <MrSunshine> i can spin in a coat for 100$
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[22:11:25] <CaptHindsight> MrSunshine: are you sure it's worth $100? :p
[22:11:51] <MrSunshine> probably for me .. might not be for you :P
[22:14:04] <Erant> Hmm. I had never considered that I can use my mill as a very limited lathe by chucking the workpiece on the collet.
[22:14:37] <Erant> in the collet*
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[22:29:45] <jdh> I have an r8 3jaw
[22:30:44] <PetefromTn_> hey folks
[22:34:23] <rob_h> hi
[22:34:58] <PetefromTn_> hey rob
[22:35:30] <rob_h> hows things over ur side of world
[22:36:02] <PetefromTn_> well right now it's freaking COLD as hell LOL
[22:36:13] <PetefromTn_> and I HATE the cold
[22:36:19] <rob_h> i guess we been lucky had zero snow here
[22:36:25] <PetefromTn_> but other than that its good ;)
[22:36:44] <rob_h> alot of rain up north tho with floods
[22:36:47] <PetefromTn_> Been working on my CNC lathe project a bit
[22:36:59] <PetefromTn_> where R u again?
[22:37:01] <rob_h> aaah nice..
[22:37:04] <rob_h> K
[22:37:05] <rob_h> UK
[22:37:10] <PetefromTn_> aah ok
[22:37:20] <rob_h> little island in the water haha
[22:37:35] <PetefromTn_> yup ;)
[22:37:51] <rob_h> how the lathe coming?
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[22:38:13] <PetefromTn_> I am right now placing boards in the electronics cabinet and trying to determine where everything will live.
[22:38:22] <rob_h> i just put some new ball screw support bearing in a machine just got it back together
[22:38:24] <PetefromTn_> also finishing up some painting on the lathe body
[22:38:40] <PetefromTn_> sweet
[22:39:24] <rob_h> it is now yea lol..
[22:39:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah man it's always better when its done right hehe
[22:40:40] <rob_h> well just going over the matsuura horizontal we installed over christmas before we start loading jobs on it. make sure things are working ok etc
[22:41:01] <PetefromTn_> always a wise move hehe
[22:41:27] <rob_h> waiting on coolant to come in too, 1800 liters to fill it
[22:42:12] <PetefromTn_> liters that is one of those european terms huh :D
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[22:42:19] <rob_h> haha
[22:42:27] <rob_h> i could say gallons but then that be a UK gallon
[22:42:42] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[22:42:58] <rob_h> all i know is its a dam lot of water
[22:43:37] <PetefromTn_> I don't doubt that
[22:55:01] * JT-Shop was going to call it a day but remembered he has parts to make
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[22:56:23] <FloppyDisk> PetefromTn_: what control cards/breakout cards are you using?
[22:58:48] <PetefromTn_> FloppyDisk Sorry I was gretting my wife who just came home from work ;)
[22:59:01] <FloppyDisk> no worries... just curious.
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[22:59:01] <PetefromTn_> I am using the Mesanet cards on the CNC lathe
[22:59:13] <PetefromTn_> I have a 5i25/7i77 combo
[22:59:28] <PetefromTn_> I also have the longer cable for it
[22:59:35] <FloppyDisk> Ahhh, me too... Nice.
[22:59:45] <PetefromTn_> I am installing brand new DMM AC servo motors and drives
[23:00:02] <FloppyDisk> Yeah, heard that, they should work well, I would think.
[23:00:24] <PetefromTn_> and I will be using a Hitachi WJ200-110LF VFD and 7.5hp 3 phase motor
[23:00:43] <PetefromTn_> what machine are you building?
[23:01:14] <FloppyDisk> Oh, I have a supermax/bridgeport that I've done w/ 5i25/7i77 combo and all the old west amp drives.
[23:01:26] <FloppyDisk> It once was an anilam crusader m control
[23:01:42] <PetefromTn_> ah okay
[23:01:48] <PetefromTn_> knee mill?
[23:02:00] <FloppyDisk> I have sserial errors like JT shop, wouldn't know what to do differently.
[23:02:14] <FloppyDisk> Yes - knee mill. good for me, cuz I don't do too much.
[23:02:39] <PetefromTn_> I get SSerial errors too presumably from my atom main board
[23:03:03] <PetefromTn_> hoping the lathe will not experience the same thing using a different main board here.
[23:03:14] <FloppyDisk> Hmm, I have an atom main board as well, why do you think its the atom?
[23:03:30] <FloppyDisk> I have the D525MW (??? intel) board.
[23:03:43] <PetefromTn_> well Pete from Mesa was saying it might be
[23:03:47] <PetefromTn_> I have the same board
[23:04:18] <PetefromTn_> I cannot remember the reasons offhand tho
[23:05:32] <FloppyDisk> Hunh, hadn't heard that one before:-(
[23:05:40] <PetefromTn_> honestly for my uses it has been little more than an annoyance
[23:05:57] <PetefromTn_> never had any problems with the way the machine runs
[23:06:17] <FloppyDisk> For me, in 2.6.11 I don't hardly notice it other than I think I got 1 or 2 errors and clicked them away to ignore...
[23:06:47] <PetefromTn_> maybe he will chime in here again with the reasons. Basically the speed of it in a certain area is barely adequate somehow but I don't remember
[23:06:49] <FloppyDisk> So, just live w/ them. Hoping for an updated version in 2.7 at somepoint. Need to try the new firmware.
[23:07:08] <PetefromTn_> I am using master but have not opdated in some time now.
[23:08:16] <FloppyDisk> Well, good luck w/ the lathe, I'll be excited to hear how it turns out.
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[23:09:08] <PetefromTn_> So would I LOL
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[23:09:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is just a matter of getting out there and doing it now
[23:09:38] <FloppyDisk> I hear ya.
[23:10:27] <FloppyDisk> Looking at some of the newer DMM servo's, wow - good prices for a servo amp imo...
[23:10:42] <PetefromTn_> I thought so
[23:10:54] <PetefromTn_> Now that they are here they sure look nice
[23:11:51] <PetefromTn_> they put together a package for me for considerably less than the list prices as well so if you want some give them a call. I tried to go thru their US supplier with no luck unfortunately but the Canadian company itself took care of me.
[23:12:16] <FloppyDisk> The automation market has reduced a lot in prices in the last 20 years... amazing. 400 watt motor for $150, I suppose the cables are double - lol.
[23:12:40] <FloppyDisk> Good advice, just need to remmeber that...
[23:13:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think its all chinese stuff mostly but so is the TECO motors and drives in my Cincinatti Arrow 500 VMC and they work great for a couple years now.
[23:14:44] <FloppyDisk> Yeah, teco's decent enough. Applied Motion Products has been 'moon's' for years, so china has been in this for awhile and can make some decent stuff
[23:14:52] <FloppyDisk> But, alot of it is junk...
[23:19:47] <PetefromTn_> I am sure some of it is..
[23:21:11] <PetefromTn_> seems that DMM users have given pretty good feedback online that I have seen not ever really heard any big complaints.
[23:21:58] <FloppyDisk> That's good, did you go w/ the dyn 4 series?
[23:22:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah I got the latest drives the high current ones apparently
[23:22:56] <PetefromTn_> my servos are 750 watt
[23:23:34] <FloppyDisk> Oh, I think those are the dyn2, a little smaller and have low or high current choices. nice.
[23:24:03] <PetefromTn_> no mine are the Dyn4
[23:24:10] <FloppyDisk> Oh - ok.
[23:24:53] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/RIpHISt.jpg
[23:25:23] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/LfnliWL.jpg
[23:25:27] <FloppyDisk> Yup - dyn4, looks nice.
[23:25:44] <PetefromTn_> I also got the prewired cables and the tuner patch cable etc.
[23:26:04] <FloppyDisk> It's like christmas all over... Nice on the cables, that can be a pain if you ahve to do it yourself.
[23:26:48] <PetefromTn_> yeah I learned my lesson with my first build LOL
[23:27:10] <PetefromTn_> its worth every penny to pay for brand new premade cables and end connectors
[23:27:53] <FloppyDisk> agreed...
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[23:46:21] <_methods> oh yeah PetefromTn_ sexy time
[23:46:35] <PetefromTn_> dafuk?
[23:46:40] <_methods> servo drives
[23:46:48] <_methods> sexy time with servos lol
[23:46:51] <PetefromTn_> oh sexy servo drives...
[23:46:58] <_methods> hahaha
[23:47:01] <_methods> you dirty bird
[23:47:01] <PetefromTn_> you scared the shit out of me for a minute
[23:47:06] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[23:47:12] <_methods> i'm not fuzzy wolf
[23:47:18] <PetefromTn_> heheheHAHAHA
[23:47:28] <PetefromTn_> that guy was a piece of work man
[23:47:32] <PetefromTn_> is he still around?
[23:47:38] <_methods> i had to put that clown on ignore
[23:47:45] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[23:47:46] <_methods> so i have no idea
[23:48:25] <PetefromTn_> _methods I don't know you man but for some reason I like you...;) You and I think a lot alike from what I have seen
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[23:49:04] <PetefromTn_> I am finishing up some painting on the lathe carcass still but I have started putting boards into the electronics cabinet
[23:49:38] <_methods> hahah indeed you seem to be good people yourself
[23:49:41] <_methods> thank you
[23:49:46] <PetefromTn_> :D
[23:50:20] <PetefromTn_> I need to find a cheap dual jetski trailer and tweak it to hold my four new Kayaks
[23:50:35] <_methods> hahah
[23:50:42] <_methods> you got too many projects too
[23:50:44] <PetefromTn_> the company that makes my Kayak Vibe offers one
[23:50:59] <PetefromTn_> but the dealer I bought the boats from said it is pretty light duty
[23:51:19] <PetefromTn_> IE you would not want to tow four boats and a bunch of gear across state lines or down to Florida etc.
[23:53:13] <PetefromTn_> but yeah I have way too many projects LOL
[23:53:22] <_methods> i'm in the same boat
[23:53:24] <PetefromTn_> I really need to get this lathe going here tho
[23:53:31] <_methods> i'm gonna try to stop that this year
[23:53:37] <_methods> i don't do new years resolutions
[23:53:50] <PetefromTn_> I always tell myself one thing at a time but that is just not realistic
[23:54:01] <_methods> but i am going to make a concerted effort to wrap up all current projects before i start anything else
[23:54:12] <PetefromTn_> that is a good goal
[23:54:28] <PetefromTn_> like I need to knuckle down at some point and finish my damn toolchanger ;)
[23:54:31] <_methods> hardly realistic of course lol
[23:54:38] <_methods> but i'm at least going to try
[23:54:53] <PetefromTn_> we have been doing a lot of work on our home lately too
[23:54:58] <_methods> obviously you get hung up on projects and have to take a break
[23:55:13] <_methods> yeah i have a bunch of house projects i need to wrap up
[23:55:31] <_methods> but none of this will matter after tonight
[23:55:45] <PetefromTn_> the guys I work for want me to make all sorts of stuff and I have to try to balance what I do for them with what I do for my own business and then what I want to do projects wise
[23:55:47] <jdh> I put a tarp over my lathe and havent seen it since
[23:55:58] <_methods> once that $500,000,000 goes into my bank acct
[23:56:04] <PetefromTn_> hehehe
[23:56:09] <PetefromTn_> did you get a ticket or three
[23:56:12] <_methods> 2
[23:56:13] <_methods> lol
[23:56:20] <_methods> i dropped $6 in the hat
[23:56:23] <jdh> go buy me ine
[23:56:23] <PetefromTn_> my wife wants me to run down and buy some I NEVER do that
[23:56:31] <_methods> i never do either
[23:56:35] <jdh> me either
[23:56:38] <PetefromTn_> but that is a shit ton of money
[23:56:42] <_methods> but for that kinda super villain money i'm game
[23:56:50] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda thinking about it hehehe
[23:56:58] <jdh> but if someone would go get it for me....
[23:56:58] <_methods> i'm gonna get an island and some sharks with laser beams
[23:57:05] <PetefromTn_> hehehe Super villian money I gotta remember that one
[23:57:17] <PetefromTn_> freaking laser beams on their heads
[23:57:20] <PetefromTn_> :D
[23:57:20] <_methods> hahah
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[23:57:25] <_methods> 1/2 a billion
[23:57:33] <jdh> hey pete... Ill paypal you $4, fax them to me
[23:58:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah right ;)
[23:58:40] <PetefromTn_> that is really super villian money isn't it
[23:58:48] <_methods> indeed
[23:59:03] <_methods> i'll hire ssi to be my pilot lol
[23:59:30] <jdh> better than your laserist
[23:59:36] <_methods> hahah
[23:59:43] <PetefromTn_> personal aerobatic pilot
[23:59:47] <_methods> yeah no lasers for ssi
[23:59:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah give em to the sharks
[23:59:59] <PetefromTn_> hehe