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[00:06:52] <CaptHindsight> Best comment I've read in years: "I plan on starting a service called "nothing at all like a lawyer" where for a fee I will show up and defend you in court. Only I'll not know anything about the law, not be covered under any regulations, and bear no professional responsibility, so when your ass gets sent off to prison that's your damned problem. I'm also thinking of buying a dremmel tool and branching out into the "nothing at all like a
[00:06:52] <CaptHindsight> dentist" business. That's probably pretty lucrative too."
[00:07:37] <CaptHindsight> due to the magical thinking of Uber, a car for hire through an app isn't anything like a taxi and isn't subject to regulations because they say so. Nothing at all like a taxi.
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[00:53:44] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKenzie_friend
[00:54:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/lsb-caution-on-growth-of-paid-mckenzie-friends/5042800.fullarticle
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[01:12:59] * Loetmichel2 has just seen a video of someone making a "firepiston"... apparently thats a thing in survival circles... NICE use of physics!
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[01:28:14] <malcom2073> Loetmichel: That's kindanifty
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[01:31:25] <Loetmichel> yeah, tought so too
[01:31:51] <Loetmichel> in core its a 1 cylinder diesel with solid fuel ;)
[01:33:49] <Loetmichel> +engine
[01:40:00] <chupacabra> high production going on here. one cnc mill and 2 3d printers. Welcome to my new world.
[01:41:21] <chupacabra> could have never imagined this back in 1972
[01:41:49] <malcom2073> Amazing what you can do in your garage nowadays
[01:41:56] <chupacabra> learning to use a shaper
[01:42:17] <chupacabra> im in my aptarment
[01:42:59] <chupacabra> lol
[01:43:32] <chupacabra> been grinning at the cnc mill since i got it all lined up today
[01:43:44] <malcom2073> Heh nice
[01:44:23] <chupacabra> my config is not like any on the www either. Wheeee
[01:45:06] <chupacabra> malcom2073, what you building?
[01:45:28] <malcom2073> Building? Nothing. Planning? Always stuff haha
[01:45:48] <chupacabra> i mean fooling with now.
[01:46:37] <malcom2073> Fiddling with a large format router design
[01:46:47] <chupacabra> ahhh
[01:47:02] <chupacabra> for making what?
[01:47:24] <malcom2073> I want to start taking on commercial work, signs, cabinets, etc
[01:47:33] <malcom2073> so I'm designing a 5x10 aluminum cutting router
[01:47:59] <chupacabra> cool. is alum strong enough?
[01:48:22] <chupacabra> i come from the maheenite era
[01:48:22] <malcom2073> It's made of steel, I mean capable of cutting aluminum
[01:48:33] <chupacabra> ahhh cool
[01:49:35] <chupacabra> I made buttloads of DC? cockpit panels and cockpit stuff.
[01:49:45] <malcom2073> Ah nice, making a sim?
[01:50:34] <chupacabra> worked for sim makers once. was great work but mostly for Boeing for DC-10s and stuff
[01:51:27] <chupacabra> Flight sim work was the best fun I ever had. lots of engineering by the machinists
[01:52:08] <chupacabra> got to ride in Simulators lots too. I can fly any of them
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[02:10:21] <witnit> chupacabra: pictures?
[02:10:31] <witnit> of the machines :)
[02:11:22] <Loetmichel> chupacabra: i once did a few lit perpex cocpit panels for a customer...
[02:11:33] <Loetmichel> ... MANY years ago
[02:11:40] <Loetmichel> let me see if i find pictures
[02:13:42] <Loetmichel> nope, didnt made once it seems
[02:14:18] <Loetmichel> they were simple 4mm acrylic plates, spraypainted black from one side
[02:15:02] <Loetmichel> and then engraved and milled from the back (black) side to fit various switches and had text for it
[02:15:18] <Loetmichel> like this THW logo i made for a friend:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4979&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[02:15:46] <Loetmichel> ... so the customer had PCBs with the switches and orange/white leds in between
[02:16:12] <Loetmichel> and when assebled it looked exactly like the light tableaus/switch tableaus in an A320 ;)
[02:22:00] <malcom2073> Loetmichel: I'm gonna be fiddling around with the sprayed acrylic engraving thing soon
[02:22:09] <malcom2073> Then backlight it so the engraved/drilled part comes through
[02:23:08] <witnit> I got this job I need to quote, anyone familiar with turning 304ss I could use some indexable insert suggestions. EAU is 200,000.
http://postimg.org/image/bs9whayl9/
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[02:30:46] <witnit> probably more than anything I need opinions on rake and edge geometry for doing this in a single pass, I suspect I will be building my own insert holder to accommodate this cutter
http://tinyurl.com/gsp43oy
[02:38:04] <jdh> what's an EAU
[02:38:52] <witnit> Estimated Annual Usage
[02:39:39] <witnit> basicly I need to figure out a way to run 304SS and not have to babysit the machine
[02:39:53] <jdh> screw machine?
[02:39:57] <witnit> yeah
[02:40:37] <witnit> Im just not that comfortable with 304 yet. but I will be running it on a very solid single spindle machine
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[03:32:29] <CaptHindsight> I've been milling SS304 on and off the past few weeks
[03:32:55] <CaptHindsight> likes sharp and hard tools with flood coolant
[03:33:10] <CaptHindsight> I only have problems if it gets hot
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[04:11:29] <CaptHindsight> witnit: ^^
[04:14:43] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: which alloy
[04:14:48] <zeeshan> 304L
[04:14:50] <zeeshan> or 304H
[04:17:14] <CaptHindsight> actually both, plate, rod and shapes
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[04:19:49] <chupacabra> no pics. was just work then.
[04:19:57] <CaptHindsight> made the mistake of surface grinding a part before I drilled and tapped
[04:20:20] <zeeshan> lol
[04:21:00] <chupacabra> 304 is pretty hard alright
[04:21:18] <chupacabra> work hardens badly too
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[04:21:50] <CaptHindsight> yesterday I was milling some with a 2 vs 4 flute HSS
[04:23:05] <CaptHindsight> now I need a bigger surface grinder, seems every new project has parts 2" longer than the travel of the tools
[04:23:46] <CaptHindsight> so from now on I'm going big or going home :)
[04:24:26] <CaptHindsight> even if the machine sits for months i hate getting stuck having to rotate or flip parts
[04:25:01] <chupacabra> yup
[04:30:21] <chupacabra> a part I made lots of. 17-4 Ph6 stainless hardened.
http://riecilla.com/node/3
[04:31:03] <chupacabra> that thing will be here lots longer than I
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[04:32:18] <CaptHindsight> t12:
https://www.twistbioscience.com/about/ doyahknow they guys?
[04:32:26] <CaptHindsight> they/these
[04:32:28] <t12> i know much about them
[04:32:31] <t12> from a uh
[04:32:38] <t12> from intel/being the competition at least
[04:32:42] <t12> the reality is very unclear
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[04:32:53] <CaptHindsight> http://spectrum.ieee.org/biomedical/devices/dna-manufacturing-enters-the-age-of-mass-production
[04:33:04] <t12> maybe io
[04:33:15] <t12> maybe i'm continuing the company position after its death
[04:33:31] <t12> but i've yet to talk to someone who has recieved and verified dna from them
[04:33:40] <t12> i've talked to lots of people who have had meetings about buying/beta program/etc
[04:34:10] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to start making some printers/synthesizers and the tools to make them
[04:34:22] <CaptHindsight> too many patents
[04:34:54] <t12> their org stuff was all inkjet
[04:35:04] <t12> i believe it still is inkjet on the dispense
[04:35:09] <t12> s/org/orig
[04:35:34] <CaptHindsight> going to be down in the femtoliter drop range
[04:36:04] <t12> i believe they got it to the point where they needed to control gas conditions during reaction
[04:36:42] <CaptHindsight> been watching CRISPR suddenly get popular as well
[04:36:52] <t12> it is very popular
[04:36:54] <t12> it is also very hard to use
[04:37:06] <t12> it will get easier over the next like 5-10 years
[04:37:13] <CaptHindsight> what1? they are DIY kits :)
[04:37:19] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[04:37:33] <CaptHindsight> need to make the tools to make the tools
[04:37:34] <t12> everyone doesnt like to admit the failure rate
[04:37:46] <t12> and the spending 1-2 years just spinning up to reproduce a CRISPR expirement
[04:38:12] <t12> it does make some targeted things possible that were very hard
[04:38:29] <t12> you still have a large effort of verification, selection, etc post-crispr
[04:38:34] <CaptHindsight> what I see is lots of biochemists and biologists trying to build nanomachines
[04:38:41] <t12> in what sense
[04:38:45] <CaptHindsight> a bit out of their realm
[04:40:07] <t12> maybne i'm too cynical but
[04:40:15] <t12> like you know how people first get into cnc stuff
[04:40:32] <t12> and they're like omg i must build my own stepper controller and machine and kickstart it and if only the whole world had these machines!
[04:40:42] <CaptHindsight> like all the Doc's that contact me about polymers or machines they are trying to build, great docs but not so much as chemists or engineers
[04:40:48] <t12> before being enough years in it to really understand
[04:40:53] <t12> i think the focus on dna production is like that
[04:41:03] <t12> its early in the chain of $ blockades to a bio project
[04:41:18] <t12> and people makign stuff have a tendency to focus on it before having enough field knowledge to know whats downstream
[04:41:26] <CaptHindsight> what? you mean you can't make cnc machines out of cat turds!
[04:41:46] <chupacabra> lol
[04:42:12] <t12> i guess some people are successful at turning that into $ after kickstarter
[04:42:15] <t12> like maybe othermill
[04:42:20] <t12> i just dont get why its so whatever
[04:42:25] <t12> cause they reduced the pricepoint a little?
[04:43:29] <CaptHindsight> I'm just tired of waiting for this in my lifetime
[04:43:55] <CaptHindsight> I don't want to get too old to see it
[04:44:07] <t12> my fav ceo stage
[04:44:12] <t12> is the i won all the money now i need to cure death phase
[04:44:18] <chupacabra> 700 is a lot easier than 700,000 Just got to make price effective.
[04:45:31] <CaptHindsight> all the talent seems to have left silicon valley
[04:45:48] <CaptHindsight> grew old, got into finance, went fishing
[04:46:25] <chupacabra> chilling in south austin
[04:47:27] <t12> theres a lot of talent
[04:47:30] <t12> its just dif talent
[04:47:44] <t12> theres ALOT of talent there is no marketing over, nobody talks about, they dont self-publicieze
[04:47:48] <chupacabra> i did all that and less. but im back. Cheap cnc machines will do it for me.
[04:48:45] <chupacabra> the best Silicon talent keeps killing themselves. worrisome
[04:49:26] <CaptHindsight> the light that burns twice as bright burns out twice as fast :)
[04:49:38] <chupacabra> so true
[04:49:53] <chupacabra> im glad i only went 66%
[04:50:02] <chupacabra> still here
[04:50:36] <witnit> zeeshan: the print simply says 304
[04:50:46] <chupacabra> i waste a lot of my brain cells about the human condition
[04:51:13] <chupacabra> ya, 304 is pretty generic.
[04:51:19] <witnit> I ordered 1 bar of 5/16 304l for testing
[04:51:29] <chupacabra> but can be different in the same batch
[04:51:50] <chupacabra> 1 bar should be the same all over
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[04:52:17] <chupacabra> - a ball bearing melted in or two.
[04:53:57] <chupacabra> always amazed me. MAC dril 304 for months just the same and one foot of 1 bar cant be drilled and one loses 3 drills
[04:55:06] <chupacabra> once that foot is gone all is well for 6 months
[04:57:58] <Jymmm> then chop off the other foot?
[04:58:05] <t12> i wonder if you can detect that just by sound
[04:58:14] <t12> where the hard spot begins/ends
[04:58:18] <Jymmm> The screaming
[04:58:30] <t12> nah just by ringing the bar
[04:58:36] <Jymmm> lol
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[04:59:58] <chupacabra> we had the supplier out looking with state of the art metal dectors and of course they never found anything. They bought new big drills. 3" if i remember right. 3" insert drills were high then
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[05:00:34] <chupacabra> one could hear when the lathe hit the hard spot for sure.
[05:00:37] <CaptHindsight> art metal detectors :p
[05:00:53] <chupacabra> four big noises then the drill broke
[05:01:44] <chupacabra> just like the sound a ball bearing in a casting would sound
[05:01:46] <witnit> chup, what kind of machine?
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[05:01:58] <chupacabra> okuma howa.
[05:02:20] <chupacabra> 60/80 or some big sombitch
[05:02:36] <witnit> check this idea out, peizioelectric transducer, records the vibrations in the machine for a cycle right
[05:02:49] <witnit> then it compares the oncoming cycles
[05:03:03] <witnit> and shutsdown if it gets too much variation
[05:03:06] <chupacabra> they are getting all that stuff now
[05:03:20] <witnit> oh?
[05:03:27] <witnit> dang im always a day late
[05:03:28] <chupacabra> i just was saying never trust your supplier
[05:03:36] <witnit> right
[05:04:03] <witnit> well I had been ordering the same steel for decade plus 20klbs at a time and thats a constant but I hear 304 is not so much like that
[05:04:16] <chupacabra> ya, me too. If I can think of it it has been done.
[05:04:24] <chupacabra> sept flying cars
[05:04:42] <witnit> well, yeah but thats alot of work
[05:04:45] <CaptHindsight> witnit: mine is from Metal Supermarkets, the labels are from various mills
[05:05:16] <CaptHindsight> and the bar and plate do behave differently when cutting
[05:05:34] <chupacabra> 20 lbs aint nothing. 1 ton a day is good volume to get some play with dealers
[05:05:57] <witnit> 20Klbs
[05:06:09] <chupacabra> oh ok.
[05:06:50] <chupacabra> i want to stay with non metals for a while. cut enough stainless
[05:07:03] <witnit> CaptHindsight: do you have a preferred mill? I would probably not care since the parts are so small the material cost will not be vast
[05:07:25] <chupacabra> besides my little alum frame machine aint gonna do it.
[05:07:39] <chupacabra> http://riecilla.com/node/3
[05:08:02] <CaptHindsight> there are a few distributors in and around Chicago, I don't buy enough to go direct to a mill
[05:08:08] <chupacabra> i like fadal for sure
[05:08:43] <chupacabra> good american at least when i was buying them
[05:08:59] <CaptHindsight> and the Metal Supermarket near me supplies McMaster and Grainger
[05:09:16] <CaptHindsight> so I get pretty good prices on small quantities
[05:09:25] <chupacabra> mori sieki, okuma howa. mitsubishi
[05:09:53] <CaptHindsight> need a good used working cnc lathe?
[05:10:06] <chupacabra> I learned on Hurco and they still easy
[05:10:13] <witnit> capt which one?
[05:10:17] <chupacabra> Mazak
[05:10:20] <witnit> barloader?
[05:10:44] <chupacabra> i always made my own bar feed.
[05:10:54] <witnit> 12'? =D
[05:11:02] <chupacabra> they cost too much.
[05:11:07] <CaptHindsight> witnit: where are you located?
[05:11:07] <witnit> I made a 12' for my hardinge
[05:11:12] <witnit> ft wayne indiana
[05:11:26] <chupacabra> just as easy and almost free to get a bar puller
[05:11:37] <witnit> bar pull is slow
[05:11:40] <chupacabra> austin texas
[05:12:01] <CaptHindsight> witnit: what size do you need?
[05:12:03] <chupacabra> slowvsfree....????
[05:12:24] <chupacabra> i got no lathe now
[05:13:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Okuma-LSF15-2SP-CNC-Lathe-/181853874464 $4,500 or best
[05:13:16] <chupacabra> also when a bar feeder fucks up it fucks up tools on lathe. puller not
[05:15:05] <chupacabra> nice price. put linuxcnc on it. prolly drivers gone
[05:15:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/OKUMA-CADET-L1420-15-POWER-CHUCK-X-53-CC-APPROX-LONGBED-CNC-LATHE-/201494056666
[05:15:19] <chupacabra> offer 2
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[05:16:14] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mazak-SlantTurn-35-ATC-MC-Automatic-Tool-Changer-CNC-Lathe-1988-/321956179029 4,299 or best
[05:17:21] <chupacabra> that one better if big enough. one can always run smaller parts on big machines. not the other way.
[05:18:36] <chupacabra> other was double headed, right?
[05:18:48] <CaptHindsight> unless you have a lathe stretcher
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[05:19:02] <witnit> I have looked at those one exactly :)
[05:19:15] <chupacabra> cant beat completed parts coming off a lathe.
[05:20:21] <CaptHindsight> witnit: the OKUMA CADET L1420 has a reserve, not sure how high
[05:20:44] <chupacabra> dont let me guide you. I bought a clawfoot tub from Utah on auction. shipping is 6 times cost
[05:20:44] <CaptHindsight> it's the only one that completely works
[05:21:27] <chupacabra> i ran a cadet. It was nice. small if i remember
[05:21:41] <CaptHindsight> also depends on what parts are missing from the two Okuma LSF15
[05:22:04] <chupacabra> is it two headed?
[05:23:22] <chupacabra> doesnt really matter tooling up is expensive. they prolly giving that away in another auction.
[05:24:51] <chupacabra> I was drilling for oil for 100 a day before joining the navy in 1972. Been a machinist since.
[05:25:13] <chupacabra> still drilling for something
[05:25:20] <CaptHindsight> heh
[05:25:53] <t12> now you put oil back in holes
[05:25:54] <chupacabra> how old you, hindsight
[05:26:10] <chupacabra> i wish i could
[05:26:24] <chupacabra> i put my spunk
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[05:26:49] <chupacabra> gotta be old to have that moniker
[05:27:07] <t12> i finally got access to a university shop again
[05:27:10] <t12> this time a NEW shop
[05:27:13] <t12> also neglected
[05:27:18] <CaptHindsight> new tools?
[05:27:21] <t12> but 2 bridgeport-alikes, 2 small lathes
[05:27:34] <t12> nice general tools, lots of metal stock, lots of misc old tooling
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[05:27:55] <t12> gotat whip everything back into shape
[05:28:42] <t12> they might actually get the cash to get some fte's to work in it, amazingly
[05:28:53] <t12> so if that pays well enough i'd prolly do that job
[05:29:21] <witnit> the lfs 2sp hmmmmmm
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[05:30:19] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/bfs/5384527024.html Machine Shop Closed
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[05:30:28] <chupacabra> you working there?
[05:31:32] <chupacabra> i have a good friend works at UT austin main machine shop. Nice digs
[05:31:50] <CaptHindsight> nope
[05:31:50] <t12> yeah i've been working variously for the university for like
[05:31:53] <t12> 8? 9? years now
[05:32:05] <CaptHindsight> I'm currently making some things for UT Austin
[05:32:06] <t12> mainly computer stuff but really (stupidly) migrating away from it
[05:32:37] <t12> we had multiple shops, and as stuff changed they laid off anyone in the shops and they sat idle for like.... 10 years
[05:32:45] <t12> now they have noone who knows how to use them
[05:32:55] <t12> and increasing stuff that needs to be made, usually simple stuff
[05:33:01] <CaptHindsight> like a rotary phone
[05:33:24] <t12> simple jobs are nice
[05:33:30] <t12> then i can hang out with the scientists more
[05:33:33] <Jymmm> Who was making a rocket stove?
[05:34:03] <CaptHindsight> rocket thats a stove or a stove that is a rocket?
[05:34:11] <t12> low earth orbit stove
[05:34:25] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yes
[05:34:47] <t12> ever look through SBIR?
[05:34:56] <CaptHindsight> capable of delivering a pizza or few Kg warhead
[05:34:59] <chupacabra> any machine one could want to get checked out on
[05:34:59] <chupacabra> i should tell George L that UT is jobbing shit out. He prolly say, "GOOD"
[05:35:00] <chupacabra> t12. let me in on the contract
[05:35:08] <Jymmm> $6 rocket stove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmDTj2py-1k
[05:35:31] <CaptHindsight> chupacabra: making machines and polymers
[05:35:38] <CaptHindsight> medical dept
[05:36:46] <t12> https://www.sbir.gov/sbirsearch/detail/871661
[05:37:41] <CaptHindsight> Mass Spectrometer rocket
[05:38:26] <t12> heres a cool one
[05:38:26] <t12> https://www.sbir.gov/sbirsearch/detail/871781
[05:38:40] <chupacabra> did some water testing but that is way over my head
[05:39:23] <chupacabra> hindsight where is stuff i can bid on?
[05:39:47] <CaptHindsight> chupacabra: work or machines?
[05:39:50] <chupacabra> i gots an engraving machine
[05:40:30] <chupacabra> work. i got machines lightweight
[05:40:58] <CaptHindsight> dunno
[05:41:00] <t12> https://www.sbir.gov/sbirsearch/detail/870127
[05:41:11] <CaptHindsight> anyone going to CES?
[05:41:15] <chupacabra> i was almost dead 4 years ago. Im going again
[05:41:20] <t12> fast set runway repair goop contract
[05:42:25] <CaptHindsight> ooh thats an easy one for me
[05:42:49] <chupacabra> i have a 3d printer too
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[05:43:43] <CaptHindsight> $30/lb might be out of their budget
[05:44:41] <CaptHindsight> polymer concrete
[05:44:41] <t12> https://www.sbir.gov/sbirsearch/detail/870157
[05:44:43] <t12> is a cool one
[05:44:53] <t12> acoustic radar tower inspector
[05:45:10] <chupacabra> we way off topic
[05:45:22] <t12> i'm lost in an sbir-trap
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[05:45:34] <CaptHindsight> heh, anything is fair game this time of the day :)
[05:45:42] <chupacabra> keep it to yourself
[05:45:57] <chupacabra> oh really?
[05:46:03] <CaptHindsight> t12: any projects for chup?
[05:46:15] <t12> what kinda stuff
[05:46:29] <t12> https://www.sbir.gov/sbirsearch/topic/current
[05:46:32] <t12> the list goes on forever
[05:46:39] <chupacabra> im caught in making female forms in 3d printer
[05:46:51] <t12> enemy distraction forms
[05:47:17] <chupacabra> females are not the enemy
[05:47:34] <CaptHindsight> time to wind down, hasta banana
[05:51:28] <chupacabra> http://riecilla.com/node/2
[05:53:15] <t12> this one is great
[05:53:17] <t12> https://www.sbir.gov/sbirsearch/detail/870231
[05:53:25] <t12> sweat-cognition sensor
[06:01:41] <t12> https://www.sbir.gov/sbirsearch/detail/870337
[06:04:28] <t12> heres a linuxcncish one:
https://www.sbir.gov/sbirsearch/detail/870371
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[06:23:56] <t12> heres a good machining one:
https://www.sbir.gov/sbirsearch/detail/870671
[06:26:07] <chupacabra> 4 axis pcb boards? I'm sure Schlumberger wants some
[06:26:34] <chupacabra> round for downhole
[06:28:14] <chupacabra> darn i remember having to run the panograph by hand. this cnc stuff is the life of riley
[06:29:37] <chupacabra> watch tv and listen to feeds and speeds
[06:30:44] <witnit> t12 that one with the grinding blades
[06:30:51] <witnit> got any ideas for that?
[06:31:11] <chupacabra> building new yoda on 3d printer. Selling for 20.
[06:31:28] <t12> i think that would look like
[06:31:36] <t12> workhold turbine blade
[06:31:56] <t12> laser surface scan -> software -> toolpath generation -> run grinding
[06:32:05] <t12> in some multiaxis cnc grinder
[06:32:34] <paulliebenberg> Hi, looking for some help calibrating a usb touchscreen, 2.7 wheezy. it’s already been a long night!
[06:32:38] <chupacabra> i use carbide mills or a single non rotating diamong=d
[06:33:25] <chupacabra> fuck touchscreen in debian. i gave up on that in 1999
[06:33:34] <witnit> the real trick would be to create a specialty on site robotic probe grinder which manages the grinding while the turbine is on the engine :)
[06:34:02] <paulliebenberg> so ubuntu?
[06:34:16] <paulliebenberg> tried mint for a while
[06:35:07] <chupacabra> sucks but may as well get linuxcnc cd and install it.
[06:35:23] <chupacabra> i prefer Fedora myself
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[06:35:53] <chupacabra> its just a machine I keep telling myself
[06:35:56] <paulliebenberg> yeah, thats what I did, cd is debian now
[06:36:12] <chupacabra> works well
[06:36:19] <paulliebenberg> i feel like crying already.
[06:36:36] <chupacabra> You know Ian commited suicide last week?
[06:36:42] <paulliebenberg> what works well, fedora?
[06:37:15] <chupacabra> i cant finagle fedora to work even compiling source
[06:37:25] <paulliebenberg> ?
[06:37:42] <chupacabra> ian of debian
[06:37:49] <paulliebenberg> so what are options for touchscreen?
[06:39:01] <chupacabra> i was touch expert. got it working for POS stuff. What touch you got? should just work in fedora
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[06:39:45] <chupacabra> Damn thinking back i was rich for 5 years with touch bs
[06:40:01] <paulliebenberg> it is a 3m, but I want to run a machine with this screen.
[06:40:28] <chupacabra> and its hooked to a debian machine
[06:41:34] <paulliebenberg> yes
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[06:43:36] <chupacabra> i wont help. sorry
[06:44:09] <chupacabra> cant really. fuck debian
[06:44:32] <chupacabra> hint kernel module
[06:44:38] <paulliebenberg> ok, thanks I guess!
[06:45:22] <chupacabra> did you get the part about ian killing himself?
[06:46:20] <chupacabra> maybe debian will go away now
[06:46:43] <chupacabra> he divorced deb years ago
[06:51:49] <anomynous> can i undo what i just did in aptitude? ;D i installed a bunch of stuff i dont want, really.
[06:53:25] <chupacabra> aptitude remove
[06:53:32] <chupacabra> maybe
[06:53:52] <anomynous> a whole bunch of dependencies i didnt want
[06:53:55] <chupacabra> dnf remove in fedora
[06:54:30] <chupacabra> if you have hard drive space who cares. wont be used
[06:54:41] <anomynous> i have a 4gb flash
[06:55:06] <chupacabra> i remember when that was huge
[06:55:12] <anomynous> me too
[06:55:21] <chupacabra> a sd drive?
[06:55:26] <anomynous> can i extract logs with installation times?
[06:55:30] <anomynous> kinda
[06:55:35] <anomynous> rasperry pi
[06:55:46] <chupacabra> install on hard drive
[06:55:51] <anomynous> no.
[06:55:56] <anomynous> this is what i have now
[06:56:03] <anomynous> im not getting a hd for it
[06:56:04] <chupacabra> ahh im a pi guy too.
[06:56:13] <anomynous> besides hd is heavy and i have nowhere to put it
[06:56:20] <chupacabra> just havnt done more than tv
[06:56:50] <chupacabra> you got a pi zero?
[06:57:15] <anomynous> dunno
[06:57:17] <anomynous> its some pi
[06:57:20] <anomynous> bought used
[06:57:22] <anomynous> :D
[06:57:35] <chupacabra> pi zero is 5.00$
[06:57:44] <anomynous> could be
[06:57:57] <anomynous> i paid 20€ with case
[06:58:01] <chupacabra> i have first through b
[06:58:25] <chupacabra> gotta get a zero
[06:58:58] <anomynous> soo can i get installation log with install times to filter the packages and feed for aptitude remove
[06:59:07] <chupacabra> no parallel port for my cnc machine
[06:59:34] <anomynous> theres no adapters?
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[06:59:48] <chupacabra> you got plenty of room
[06:59:56] <anomynous> i dont want that stuff
[07:00:15] <chupacabra> no, usb parallel doesnt have enough power
[07:01:51] <chupacabra> http://riecilla.com/node/3
[07:01:59] <chupacabra> my junk
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[07:11:48] <witnit> chupacabra what is that complex part you have chucked?
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[07:22:44] <anomynous> what is negative character group in sed? Ie [^abc] for matching anything but abc
[07:23:42] <Jymmm> ! (not)
[07:23:52] <anomynous> [!abc]?
[07:24:15] <Jymmm> if (bacon != eggs){}
[07:24:27] <anomynous> s/regexp/subs thing
[07:24:28] <anomynous> :D
[07:24:40] <Jymmm> Not sure with sed, just know negative is typically !
[07:24:46] <anomynous> ok
[07:24:53] <Jymmm> negate*
[07:25:28] <Jymmm> and you don't want to get me started on ternary =)
[07:25:53] <Jymmm> I love using nested ternary, really fucks with ppl too =)
[07:26:18] <anomynous> mm... a friend told me a tale about disassembling a 1000 chars long line of code. More of those.
[07:26:55] <anomynous> well, not exactly a friend. But a guy i know.
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[07:27:35] <Jymmm> Eh, I think there are those that "get it", and those that don't see/understand that things are being implied. It's a foreign concept to them.
[07:28:34] <Jymmm> If (house on fire){fuck everything else cause we dont care}
[07:29:40] <anomynous> how about nested list comprehensions with some lambda functions in python? =)
[07:30:18] <Jymmm> Yes, I do have snake skin boots, thanks for asking =)
[07:30:23] <anomynous> :D
[07:32:09] <anomynous> btw cant you use python with linuxcnc? Like, even embed it with gcode?
[07:33:03] <Jymmm> I know there are O-code, but I'm not sure you can embed another lang
[07:33:45] <Jymmm> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html
[07:34:57] <archivist> I hope gcode in all its peculiarities remains a snake free zone
[07:35:36] <Jymmm> I suspect that you could use python to generate gcode that is fed into lcnc directly though
[07:36:11] <archivist> its main silliness is the syntax around variables
[07:36:31] <Jymmm> It be funny to have scanner follow an ant crawling on the ground, and feed that into lcnc live =)
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[07:53:27] <witnit> cant you run an ocode, modifyy the ocode on the fly and rerun it within an active gcode cycle without ever stopping the machine?
[07:53:53] <witnit> so basicly cant you modify ocodes on the fly
[07:59:19] <witnit> Jymmm: is this what you were meaning
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/remap/remap.html#remap:embedded-python
[07:59:59] <archivist> you can vary variables on the fly
[08:01:20] <witnit> like just stored parameters?
[08:01:55] <Jymmm> ocode can load files on the fly
[08:02:32] <Jymmm> witnit: like variables ($a = 122, $b = 11, etc)
[08:02:44] <witnit> I was thinking for some reason I was able to modify an ocode or mcode or something
[08:02:52] <witnit> while the program ran a repeat cycle
[08:02:57] <Jymmm> you can
[08:03:19] <witnit> and so I could change the distance it traveled between cycles or calls
[08:03:31] <witnit> but it was a bash file IIRC
[08:03:59] <Jymmm> as far as that "embedded python" link, it looks like that is the results of someone's experimentation of it at first glance, and above my paygrade to know how well it actually functions
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[08:08:40] <Jymmm> Deejay: Yo
[08:08:44] <Deejay> moin
[08:09:58] <witnit> mojn!
[08:19:12] <Jymmm> "GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent" is piking all over syslog, argh
[08:19:13] <witnit> is anyone building any standalone units that they are remotely controlling? so like an automatic boot and start/run .ngc?
[08:19:18] <Jymmm> puking*
[08:19:44] <witnit> headless or no monitor/keyboard/mouse builds
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[08:27:38] <archivist_herron> never wanted headless, would be really silly to stand next to a machine and see a problem but to have to run to some other place to use the front panel
[08:28:21] <witnit> space enviornment
[08:30:01] <anomynous> networked multi-head system with automatic palleting in your garage
[08:31:07] <witnit> yes very similar :)
[08:31:29] <witnit> I have to do compact ridgid tapping system
[08:31:50] <witnit> I want each unit modular, yet interconnectable
[08:32:04] <witnit> 2 axis
[08:33:19] <Jymmm> I hope you have a LOT of BRB's!!!
[08:33:24] <witnit> brbs?
[08:34:13] <Jymmm> Big Red Buttons, a PROPER (non computer controlled) emergency stop for EACH station,
[08:34:27] <witnit> yeah each machine has a panelbox
[08:34:32] <Jymmm> at the very least
[08:34:33] <archivist_herron> on couples to all
[08:34:35] <archivist_herron> one
[08:34:53] <witnit> but each unit is modular to the machine except for cases which that unit is standalone or the "master unit"
[08:35:43] <witnit> so think of a machine with one panelbox and each unit is modular, but activated by the main panel
[08:36:21] <witnit> so I could basicly talk with and trigger each unit and then the unit would talk back to the main panel and then wait to reissue the command when the next part is in place
[08:36:57] <Jymmm> I dont care how it starts or is controlled, just that anyone near a station can shut the shit down without having to run across the room
[08:37:05] <witnit> always
[08:37:18] <witnit> if the machine has two operator sides then two buttons
[08:37:43] <anomynous> how do i know which package provides a file in debian?
[08:37:45] <anomynous> uninstalled
[08:37:53] <archivist_herron> google
[08:37:54] <anomynous> non-installed
[08:37:56] <anomynous> :D
[08:39:09] <Jymmm> https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&q=how%20do%20i%20know%20which%20package%20provides%20a%20file%20in%20debian%3F&gws_rd=ssl
[08:39:19] <anomynous> thanks Jymmm ! :D
[08:40:18] <witnit> Jymmm: you ever use rotary transfer machine?
[08:41:24] <Jymmm> witnit: I have a couple of these, they work great actually!
http://www.e-rackonline.com/product_images/2171.jpg
[08:42:11] <witnit> you funny man
[08:42:17] <witnit> :P
[08:42:22] <Jymmm> I'm dead serious,
[08:42:26] <witnit> wat
[08:43:41] <Jymmm> It's now got noflat tires and industrial casters, that thing is awesome!!!
[08:43:58] <witnit> hahaha yeah they look nice, but i was thinking of something more like this
http://www.graffpinkert.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/IMG_4951.JPG?itok=PfEMpkrh
[08:44:37] <Jymmm> How am I gonna move a frig, freezer, or stack of wood with that? ;)
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[08:45:27] <Jymmm> that thing looks vicious though
[08:45:53] <Jymmm> each point having it's own motor and all
[08:46:33] <witnit> yeah those would also move out like a mill quill
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[09:51:41] <pink_vampire> hi
[09:59:01] <pink_vampire> witnit: what is that monster?
[10:11:56] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[10:12:29] <XXCoder> Jymmm: used to use those carts ay work constantly
[10:12:35] <XXCoder> and yes theyre awesome.
[10:12:43] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder :)
[10:12:53] <XXCoder> whats up
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[10:31:52] <witnit> pink_vampire: hydromat
[10:32:26] <witnit> "rotary transfer machine"
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[10:36:37] <pink_vampire> witnit: what do you make with it?
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[10:38:12] <witnit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xslQ6Vlv_-k
[10:38:45] <witnit> thats a good example of some of its capabilities machining from 12' barstock
[10:40:24] <pink_vampire> witnit: so you are not making something spesific..
[10:42:01] <witnit> well, that was a whistle I guess
[10:42:12] <witnit> but generally fittings are made on such machines
[10:43:22] <XXCoder> interesting machine. like 6 lathes in one.
[10:43:23] <XXCoder> or 8
[10:43:24] <witnit> I run production machine which run similary parts but are much more like a lathe than that one
[10:44:15] <pink_vampire> witnit: you have it at home?
[10:44:25] <witnit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeAXMWLZW-0
[10:44:35] <witnit> this is more my style, but i run them at work
[10:44:40] <witnit> much too big for home
[10:45:17] <XXCoder> looks like something Lex luthor would make.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQjcaXZEj3c lol
[10:46:21] <witnit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVwbmSyAWOI
[10:46:28] <witnit> this is easier to see whats going on i think
[10:46:49] <witnit> those trunnions are serious business
[10:50:31] <witnit> Wickman makes another serious machine
[10:50:32] <witnit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97JZX1JkYQk
[10:51:18] <witnit> they are better at making machines than picking background music for their videos tho
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[10:52:21] <pink_vampire> I think linuxcnc is limited to 8 axis..
[10:53:20] <witnit> I didnt think there was a limit
[10:53:25] <witnit> I must know
[10:53:26] <witnit> hahaah
[10:53:52] <XXCoder> billion axis machine
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[10:57:25] <witnit> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/21-axis/2113-emc2-puma-9-axis
[10:58:37] <witnit> well we know atleast 9 now
[10:59:01] <witnit> Im betting it would do atleast 24 axis, maybe something like 32
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[10:59:30] <witnit> I wonder what the max axis a mesa card combo can pull off
[10:59:30] <XXCoder> largest # of axis I ever found in youtube is 12
[10:59:35] <witnit> 32 i think
[10:59:53] <XXCoder> it was wire bender so large number of axis was tools move in/out.
[11:00:07] <witnit> wire benders are amazing
[11:00:11] <witnit> so fun to watch
[11:00:23] <witnit> spring making machines and whatnot
[11:00:26] <XXCoder> no cnc wire bender though
[11:00:32] <XXCoder> *home
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[11:12:39] <witnit> any of you into grinding machinery?
[11:24:08] <XXCoder> I dont use any besides manual wheels for dulling sharp edges
[11:24:25] <XXCoder> well and recent new tool at work that grinds bits to have that groove for screw down
[11:27:08] <archivist_herron> I made a tool grinder for my cutters, but it is rather crap
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[11:35:59] <ReadError> gday
[11:36:20] <XXCoder> cool
[11:36:21] <XXCoder> hey
[11:36:49] <ReadError> I might be missing something obvious here, but I am trying to change set_wait to 'done' so it replies after a command is finished
[11:36:56] <ReadError> http://hastebin.com/ilotimojib.xml
[11:37:14] <ReadError> but it seems there is no way to set
[11:45:01] <archivist_herron> messing with the handshake?
[11:46:22] <ReadError> archivist_herron well the app will just spew out gcode as quick as it can by default
[11:46:42] <ReadError> get set_wait
[11:46:42] <ReadError> SET_WAIT RECEIVED
[11:47:02] <ReadError> right now it responds right after it receives the command, rather than saying 'ok' im done
[11:47:52] <ReadError> set set_wait done
[11:47:52] <ReadError> set set_wait done
[11:47:52] <ReadError> SET SET_WAIT NAK
[11:48:07] <ReadError> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man1/linuxcncrsh.1.html
[11:48:11] <ReadError> it says settable there
[11:53:03] <archivist_herron> I have an aversion to anything ignoring or attempting to work without handshakes
[11:53:20] <archivist_herron> you get overruns and data loss
[11:54:18] <ReadError> hm? its connecting etc fine
[11:54:41] <ReadError> its just the behavior of how it replies during operations is undesireable
[11:54:54] <archivist_herron> this shows up with large amounts of transfer, not the initial hello
[11:55:42] <archivist_herron> sender must not send if receiver has a full buffer
[11:56:03] <ReadError> well sure agreed
[11:56:07] <ReadError> but thats not what the problem is
[11:56:27] <ReadError> sender can wait, it just needs to know when linuxcnc has finished the operation
[11:56:45] <ReadError> and right now it just basically echos back whatever its sent instantly
[11:57:53] <archivist_herron> a lot of serial protocols had a command echo
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[13:36:35] <anomynous> what raspberry pi has 185M or so memory?
[13:46:56] <_methods> don't all the rpi's have at least 512mb?
[13:47:04] <anomynous> apparently no
[13:47:05] <anomynous> :D
[13:47:11] <_methods> oh the first one had 256 maybe
[13:47:26] <anomynous> free says 181 i guess?
[13:47:33] <anomynous> total
[13:48:01] <archivist> which version and with os loaded?
[13:48:06] <_methods> yeah the first runs of the rpi A and A+ had 256
[13:48:15] <anomynous> dunno
[13:48:16] <_methods> after that they went to 512
[13:48:26] <anomynous> its the whatever debian thing made for rasp
[13:48:30] <archivist> but there is a new mini thing
[13:48:39] <_methods> pi zero
[13:48:44] <anomynous> maybe its that then
[13:48:46] <archivist> pi eff all
[13:48:48] <_methods> i think even it has 512
[13:48:51] <anomynous> :D
[13:49:32] <anomynous> watch your eyes
[13:49:34] <anomynous> free
[13:49:34] <anomynous> total used free shared buffers cached
[13:49:34] <anomynous> Mem: 185392 162512 22880 4472 6612 114956
[13:49:44] <anomynous> how do you do that btw
[13:49:56] <_methods> yeah that must be an older pi A or A+
[13:50:12] <Jymmm> XXCoder: =)
[13:50:17] <archivist> probably uses some for the video
[13:51:10] <anomynous> i wondered where the memory is going. Videos steal it.
[13:51:16] <archivist> 65k stolen for video ram I bet
[13:51:46] <anomynous> how do they do that. Bad thing. Bad thing.
[13:52:02] <_methods> n the first 256 MB release model B (and model A), three different splits were possible. The default split was 192 MB (RAM for CPU), which should be sufficient for standalone 1080p video decoding,
[13:52:31] <_methods> 224 MB was for Linux only, with just a 1080p framebuffer, and was likely to fail for any video or 3D.
[13:52:44] <archivist> it is done in the hardware addressing
[13:52:56] <_methods> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#RAM
[13:53:03] <anomynous> ty _methods
[13:53:07] <_methods> np
[13:53:36] <_methods> heh i have a rpi somewhere
[13:53:45] <_methods> no idea where it is anymore
[13:54:34] <archivist> I am pi free, so my arcs are broken :)
[13:55:16] <archivist> I am trying to diagnose a sampling or gearing error
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/wormtest/plot_vertex2_normalised.php
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[13:55:45] <archivist> why only 45 peaks, should be 90
[13:59:20] <Jymmm> Google search results: "...you visited this page on 1/4/2016", in the near future they'll add"...you had roast beef sandwich with a pickle on the side and thought it was slightly too dill"
[14:00:39] <anomynous> well, did you?
[14:01:39] <Jymmm> anomynous: No, I hacored soemones phone cam sitting next to me
[14:01:44] <Jymmm> haxored*
[14:01:58] <anomynous> how did you do that?
[14:02:46] <Jymmm> anomynous: just create your own app and give it away for free =)
[14:03:51] <anomynous> mm. and ask all possible persmissions, right? And if thats not enough bypass selinux in android?
[14:04:01] <Jymmm> exactly
[14:04:07] <anomynous> how did you bypass it?
[14:04:19] <Jymmm> magic
[14:04:23] <anomynous> wow
[14:04:26] <anomynous> how does it work?
[14:04:34] <Jymmm> magical
[14:04:42] <anomynous> :/ but i didnt learn anything
[14:05:27] <Jymmm> Of course you did... you learned how to waste 2minutes of your life and you'll never ever get them back again =)
[14:05:38] <anomynous> i hope soon i gotta go pick up my car from repairs man
[14:05:39] <Jymmm> ...grasshopper
[14:05:51] <anomynous> i dont feel very bad :)
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[14:13:04] <Jymmm> anomynous: why should/would you? be happy!!!
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[14:18:04] <anomynous> i need it to go to work
[14:18:12] <anomynous> :]
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[14:53:14] <ssi> marn
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[15:44:37] <Erant> Is 4140 much harder to machine than 1018?
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[15:57:26] <Erant> Hmm, a little bit. Probably not worth it for what I'm doing.
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[17:39:00] <ReadError> PCW around?
[17:47:18] <pcw_home> is it good news or money?
[17:47:29] <ssi> or both!
[17:47:54] <ReadError> 2nd ;)
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[18:13:02] <Gemclip> Looking for a good current book on building a DIY CNC build. Any suggestions?
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[18:17:25] <JT-Shop> I must look pretty rough... battery dead on the truck this morning so I take in to be checked and he said "it's almost gone you going to keep it or get a used battery?"
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[18:18:04] <JT-Shop> Gemclip: the forum, mailing list and the IRC are your best source of the info... and sometimes the wiki.linuxcnc.org
[18:18:25] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Eh, maybe he was just going you the benefit of the doubt
[18:18:31] <Jymmm> giving*
[18:18:57] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: No hard sell, etc.
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[18:19:43] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: "Oh you need this 22K CCA battery with 60 second warranty"
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[18:20:59] <JT-Shop> I thought it was kinda funny he offered me a used battery
[18:21:11] * JT-Shop is off to town in the truck
[18:21:24] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: ...with a new or used battery?
[18:22:26] <jdh> I usually buy the biggest that will fit
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[18:23:08] <Jymmm> My last battery was from AAA, delivered and installed, at 4am
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[18:57:59] <Simonious> zen toolworks mill a good choice for 2 sided PCB milling? I'm open to other options too.
[18:59:10] <_methods> yeah they're fine for pcb
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[19:06:31] <FloppyDisk> @Gemclip: I haven't seen one... Sounds like a good idea...
[19:11:06] <Gemclip> Bummer all the ones I have are from 2003 and 2007
[19:11:36] <FloppyDisk> @Gemclip: Didn't know any existed... Do you have titles or isbn num?
[19:11:53] <Gemclip> yeah one sec
[19:11:55] <FloppyDisk> @simonious: othermill?
https://othermachine.co/othermill/tech-specs/
[19:12:31] <FloppyDisk> saw a guy who had one, think he used it a few times, not sure.
[19:13:12] <Gemclip> Build Your Own CNC Machine and CNC Robotics: Build Your Own WorkshopBot
[19:14:17] <Gemclip> ISBN-13: 9781430224891 and ISBN-13: 9780071418287
[19:14:26] <ReadError> Simonious, milling pcbs is so not worth it
[19:14:34] <ReadError> invest in a UV exposure setup
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[19:16:26] <Simonious> ReadError: I'll look into that option too, thanks.
[19:17:07] <ReadError> its much more consistent in my experience
[19:17:09] <FloppyDisk> @Gemclip: thanks
[19:17:23] <Gemclip> youre welcome
[19:19:46] <Simonious> ReadError: and the drilling?
[19:20:03] <ReadError> Simonious, yea thats worth doing on a mill
[19:26:46] <FloppyDisk> @gemclip: ISBN-13: 978-1938687105 and ISBN-13: 978-0982110300 from amazon.
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[19:27:10] <FloppyDisk> you just need to look at one or two and then look to the web. So many designs so you can decide what you want to do.
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[19:27:43] <FloppyDisk> One of your books goes through the process of masking a PCB breakout board. You could buy one for $20 or less and be move on to the next piece.
[19:27:56] <FloppyDisk> All depends what level of integration you want to do... And, how good you want it.
[19:28:48] <FinboySlick> Othermill... Is this like "My other mill is a DMG" joke?
[19:28:59] <_methods> lol
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[19:31:06] <FinboySlick> I guess you could at least mill that plaque with the othermill.
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[20:27:22] <CaptHindsight> maskless printed circuit boards using a DLP projector for curing photoresists
[20:28:55] <CaptHindsight> an HD projector ac give you 4mil (100um) trace and space over a board ~4" x 8" (108mm x 192mm)
[20:29:04] <CaptHindsight> ac/can
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[20:43:39] <malcom2073> I've heard of people doing that
[20:43:57] <malcom2073> A lot less finicky than the toner transfer method
[20:49:26] <CaptHindsight> it's also become popular for maskless lithography for low speed CMOS
[20:49:33] <CaptHindsight> and MEMS
[20:50:02] <CaptHindsight> with a reducing lens you can hit ~1um features
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[21:05:42] <malcom2073> huh nice
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[21:09:10] <pink_vampire> FloppyDisk: $2,199? !!?!
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[21:09:32] <FloppyDisk> Ummm, it's put together I guess... I just saw it:-(
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[21:09:52] <FloppyDisk> It would ship in a nice box:-)
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[21:10:21] <pink_vampire> this is fucking junk!
[21:10:57] <FloppyDisk> Nice shipping box...
[21:11:03] <FloppyDisk> with a bow.
[21:11:12] <pink_vampire> in half of it you can get G0704 and be able to cut metal
[21:11:59] <pink_vampire> it will also come in nice box.
[21:12:11] <pink_vampire> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Drill-Mill-with-Stand/G0704
[21:12:53] <FloppyDisk> Yeah, that would work.
[21:14:23] <malcom2073> FloppyDisk: Wait a second, does that "othermachine" seriously call unsupported linear rod a "way"?
[21:15:50] <malcom2073> Eh, I guess that's not technically incorrect
[21:16:34] <archivist> a way to make crappy machines
[21:16:40] <ssi> :D
[21:16:40] <pink_vampire> FloppyDisk: I have it, the G0704 very nice machine
[21:16:46] <SpeedEvil> Depends on the rod diameter/load
[21:17:51] <pink_vampire> you can convert the G0704 with steppers, and it will cost you less then 2K$
[21:18:19] <SpeedEvil> My new kickstarter machine uses 12 linear ways to do all of the positioning. They are the highest quality italian you can buy. Some detractors have said that uncooked spaghetti is not a sutable material, but they do not understand!
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[21:19:06] <archivist> and that can be grown on a spaghetti tree
[21:19:13] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: it's 12x stronger than the competition! (where the competition is anyone running single noddle)
[21:19:18] <malcom2073> noodle even heh
[21:19:53] <pink_vampire> lol
[21:20:14] <archivist> 1957 april fools joke from the BBC
[21:20:22] <FloppyDisk> @pink_vampire - cool.
[21:20:34] <archivist> http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/1/newsid_2819000/2819261.stm
[21:21:10] <pink_vampire> FloppyDisk: why do you want a cnc machine?
[21:22:14] <FloppyDisk> I have one, someone asked about milling pcb boards and I had heard of the othermill. I have a supermax conversion to 5i25/7i77.
[21:22:58] <FloppyDisk> I 3d printed some fixtures for an encoder board to mount on the spnidle, need to get out and mount it:-)
[21:23:12] <FloppyDisk> Hoping to try the rigid tapping, no time, other projects to finish first.
[21:23:45] <pink_vampire> what model?
[21:34:22] <FloppyDisk> @pink_vampire, I don't see the p/n on the machine, but googled a supermax ycm-16vs and that's it.
[21:35:19] <FloppyDisk> I was going to get a smaller benchtop mill and then figured, what the heck, wasn't that much more, but took a long time to get it going.
[21:35:52] <FloppyDisk> Pix here if you're interested, this is pre-retro:
http://www.ijohnsen.com/blog/supermax-pics/
[21:45:50] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: You around?
[21:48:13] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: No, leave a message at the beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
[21:48:45] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: This is a shot in the dark, but do you per chance follow AvE on Youtube?
[21:49:04] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: No, what/who is it?
[21:49:44] <FinboySlick> Does tool reviews and very-bad-machining (tm).
[21:49:53] <FinboySlick> Very very entertaining.
[21:49:56] <Jymmm> hahaha
[21:50:10] <Jymmm> I suppose entertainent is subjective =)
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[21:50:43] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: I usually cringe at things that are down right stupid though.
[21:51:54] <FinboySlick> Nah, he's pretty smart. His bad machining is done without pretention of being a machinist. Though he did torture a bunch of drill bits just to annoy the people who keep bugging him about speeds and feeds ;)
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[21:52:22] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Ah, a smartass. Okey well that's different then.
[21:53:07] <FinboySlick> He also cobbled together a 100ton press called 'little screwy' in about 4 hours.
[21:53:27] <FinboySlick> Uses it to punch 1" holes in 8mm steel.
[21:53:59] <Jymmm> 25ton per hour, wth?! Tell hime to get off his lazy ass ;)
[21:54:08] <malcom2073> Heh, he's amusing
[21:54:55] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: This is his review of a second-hand Hilti rotary hammer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joetVGrMfAY
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[22:06:56] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:42:31] * JT-Shop shuts down this computer to install a network card so he can start figuring out the 7i92
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[23:12:47] <JT-Shop> well that didn't work it only takes PCI-E cards :(
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[23:42:11] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I have a zircom ethernet if you want it
[23:46:03] <FloppyDisk> JT-Shop: I guess you're moving to a different strategy away from the 5i25 and 7i77sol. Was hoping you'd have better success, sigh:-(
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[23:57:39] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: I'll just use a different computer but thanks for the offer
[23:59:24] <JT-Shop> well I'm open to anything that works with my mill, right now even with the 7i77ISOL I get a string of sserial errors no matter what I try so time to figure out the 7i90
[23:59:59] <JT-Shop> err 7i92
