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[00:00:59] <XXCoder> yo PetefromTn_ not much apparently
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[00:01:06] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ Hey Pete
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[00:01:12] <PetefromTn_> hey guys
[00:01:24] <PetefromTn_> I have been working out in my shop most of the day
[00:01:34] <PetefromTn_> and I did not even turn on a damn machine all day LOL
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[00:04:13] <Tom_itx> how is that even possible?
[00:04:45] <bpuk> One word. Files. *shudder*
[00:04:51] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx LOL we got those sweet kayaks for Christmas and were so excited about them we did not even stop to consider WHERE WE WERE GONNA PUT THEM!!
[00:05:09] <PetefromTn_> but there is good news
[00:05:17] <jdh> build a kayak shed
[00:05:20] <PetefromTn_> the big ones are 13 feet long
[00:05:30] <PetefromTn_> and my ceiling is 9.5 feet
[00:05:52] <Tom_itx> i tied my topper to the celing with straps
[00:05:52] <PetefromTn_> I have an area on one side of the shop where I cut up into the attick to allow me to store long pieces of wood trim etc
[00:06:16] <PetefromTn_> I would strap it to the ceiling but there are four of them
[00:06:17] <Tom_itx> then all i had to do was drive under it and lower it
[00:06:45] <Sync> cut the tips off PetefromTn_
[00:06:46] <PetefromTn_> and if I put them on the ceiling it would A be a pain in the ass and B take up the whole damn ceiling so my lighting would be for shit worse than it already is hehe
[00:07:13] <PetefromTn_> so we are putting them vertically along the wall that the trim goes thru the ceiling
[00:07:28] <PetefromTn_> which of course had TONS of old crap and junk up in the attick above it
[00:07:58] <PetefromTn_> so what turned from just moving some stuff along a wall became a complete gutting of the junk in my attick which is a TON of shit
[00:08:01] <Tom_itx> store em outside
[00:08:07] <Tom_itx> they _are_ waterproof
[00:08:27] <PetefromTn_> my van is totally full of junk and I could probably make two more trips to the dump and still have stuff left up there
[00:08:37] <Tom_itx> build a rack on the backside of your garage
[00:08:41] <PetefromTn_> Yeah they are of course waterproof but the sun kills them
[00:08:55] <PetefromTn_> I want to keep them stored safely inside
[00:09:15] <PetefromTn_> and honestly putting them vertically they will not take up much floor space actually
[00:09:26] <PetefromTn_> they are only like 15 inches deep
[00:09:58] <DaViruz> a friend of mine has a lathe with a 4 jaw chuck that is both self centering, as well as individually adjustable
[00:10:01] <PetefromTn_> I also want to be able to access them quickly whenever we want to go out on them so this is just pull them off the wall and stuff em in the van and go
[00:10:11] <DaViruz> anyone know where you can find a chuck like that?
[00:12:03] <PetefromTn_> so I cut the hole a bit wider and honestly it forced me to do some MAJOR cleaning and reorganizing out there and actually my wife helped me haul the stuff from the attick and now our attick is actually cleaner and has TONS more room.
[00:12:51] <PetefromTn_> amazing how much shit you accumulate over the years....or maybe I am just a hoarder ;)
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[00:16:18] <PetefromTn_> Still got a bunch of cleaning to do but this should allow me to get back to work on the CNC lathe retrofit and have some damn room to move around in.
[00:25:28] <renesis> most electronics or fabrication geeks seem to hoard to some degree
[00:25:37] <renesis> its very expensive not to
[00:26:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah I honestly hate to get rid of a lot of that stuff but it has been up there for years now and I guess if I have not done anything with it yet I probably won't.
[00:26:56] <malcom2073> Nooooo. keep it forever!
[00:27:25] <PetefromTn_> Can't man its in my damn way ;)
[00:27:49] <PetefromTn_> I threw away a couple single phase motors that need capacitors too
[00:27:57] <PetefromTn_> they are just not getting used
[00:28:08] <PetefromTn_> one was from my old RF45
[00:28:19] <PetefromTn_> don't remember where the other one was from
[00:28:37] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna be buring a bunch of this crap tomorrow too
[00:28:51] <malcom2073> Ah yeah broken stuff is another matter
[00:28:55] <malcom2073> "It just needs one small part to work!"
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[00:29:07] <PetefromTn_> there was also a TON of that shit masonite siding that was on my house when I bought it before we resided it
[00:29:27] <PetefromTn_> that stuff breaks into smaller pieces easily tho so we just busted it up and it will get burnt
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[00:29:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah just a start cap or something
[00:30:13] <PetefromTn_> I was going to fix it but the lathemaster guy just sent me a new one when it failed so I just put it in the attick and installed the new one.
[00:30:45] <PetefromTn_> I really need to get some of those nice heavy duty garage shelves to get some stuff consolidated better
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[00:44:26] <jdh> rent a dumpster when you move
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[00:47:14] <PetefromTn_> well hopefully we will have purges all our shite before then :D
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[00:49:31] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: What dsort of Files? Bastard? Second Cut? Smooth? Paper? Computer?
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[01:05:54] <PetefromTn_> andypugh not sure what you mean?
[01:09:20] <andypugh> You said you had been engaged in work with files all day.
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[01:09:39] <andypugh> There are many sorts of files.
[01:09:55] <andypugh> Some are useful for shaping metal, some less so.
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[01:23:13] <os1r1s> bensbenz Around?
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[01:56:25] <os1r1s> pcw_home Do you know if an inverted inhibit on the servo driver would matter to me? Or I can work around it?
[01:58:36] <FloppyDisk> os1rls: you should be able to invert the signal from Lcnc to make it the correct signal.
[01:59:18] <FloppyDisk> IMO, this is a LCNC setup question and would have to do w/ your configuration files and setup.
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[01:59:51] <FloppyDisk> I would guess you could put a not (like !=) in hal file for that signal based on what you need.
[01:59:54] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk As long as I can make it work, thats great
[02:00:06] <FloppyDisk> I don't know how to do it off hand, but it shouldn't be that hard.
[02:00:12] <os1r1s> But I think the inhibit on a servo is for something different
[02:00:34] <FloppyDisk> My guess the inhibit is to 'stop' the drive from running.
[02:01:03] <FloppyDisk> Some drives have an enable, do you have an enable as well, maybe the inhibit is the enable, sounds like a chinese drive to me - which is just fine.
[02:01:06] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk I'm not sure if that is normally set to an output from linuxcnc or its connected to say, the limit swtiches
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[02:01:38] <FloppyDisk> Normally is based on how the designer wants to do it and can be done either way...
[02:01:41] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk Ahh, yeah, its for limit switches
[02:02:09] <FloppyDisk> The issue w/ the limits is that you want some way to 'tell' LCNC that you hit a limit. So, the way I'd do it is to have the limits
[02:02:27] <FloppyDisk> go into LCNC and then an 'enable' to the drives that LCNC auto-magically controls.
[02:02:35] <FloppyDisk> But, that's not to say you have to do it that way:-)
[02:03:22] <FloppyDisk> Oh, to be clear, the 'enable' is an output from LCNC. On my system, a 5i25/7i77, I have one enable that closes a relay that enables x, y, and z.
[02:03:43] <FloppyDisk> I would do it separately, but I was retrofitting and lazy:-) So, just went w/ it and it works for me at this point.
[02:04:12] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk Gotcha. Isn't there a pin that is daisy chained between the drives though?
[02:04:14] <FloppyDisk> So - if I hit any limit, LCNC kills the relay (turns output off), and all my drives shutoff.
[02:04:17] <os1r1s> So if one faults they all fault?
[02:05:01] <FloppyDisk> On mine, they all shutoff. I wouldn't say fault because a drive fault is that the drive exceeds a current limit or position limit of some sort. On mine, LCNC 'shuts off' the drives.
[02:05:38] <os1r1s> So you have a DC relay that kills the power to the drives on fault
[02:05:42] <FloppyDisk> Your pin question - I have enable inputs on the drives that are probably in parallel (not sure actually) from the relay.
[02:06:05] <FloppyDisk> My relay - yes - I think it kills power.
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[02:06:24] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk Steppers are much simpler :P
[02:06:37] <FloppyDisk> NOTE - depends on your system and how you want to shutdown... All this can be tricky (not hard) or more involved than you would think...
[02:06:59] <FloppyDisk> Yes - steppers can be much easier and I would recommend them for the smaller machines, but servo's are kick=butt, but they take a certain
[02:07:06] <FloppyDisk> knowledge to get them going well...
[02:07:34] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk Well, I want to do this well ...
[02:07:35] <FloppyDisk> Actually, for most diy smaller machines, steppers are definitely the way to go for ease of setup.
[02:07:55] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk So steppers on the taig/sherline make sense. This is for a pm-25mv and I'd like to use servos
[02:08:04] <os1r1s> Even though I'm sure steppers can do.
[02:08:21] <FloppyDisk> I'm sure they can as well. but, if you want to go servo's, sounds great!
[02:08:38] <FloppyDisk> I did see the pm-25mv and that would be fine.
[02:08:50] <os1r1s> FloppyDisk What size machine do you have?
[02:08:51] <bensbenz> os1r1s: are servos worth the extra hassle?
[02:08:59] <FloppyDisk> Back to your inhibit, I would have that as an output from LCNC.
[02:09:46] <bensbenz> steppers get me easily within .001 just about everyday
[02:10:14] <FloppyDisk> I have a supermax-ym16 (I think... hahah) http://www.ijohnsen.com/blog/supermax-pics/
[02:10:20] <malcom2073> bensbenz: Servos get you there faster and more reliable.
[02:10:35] <malcom2073> I converted my mill from servos to steppers just because it was so much easier to set up, cheaper, and I didn't need the speed
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[02:10:55] <bensbenz> on a small machine, you need to go faster than 150 ipm?
[02:10:59] <FloppyDisk> Steppers should be fine if you size them correctly and don't over accellerate and keep them at decent speed. highly recommended.
[02:11:11] <FloppyDisk> Exactly on the ipm, you don't need to go that fast!
[02:11:12] <bensbenz> i never lose steps
[02:11:29] <malcom2073> The big thing is, you have to know your limits. With servos, they tell you their limits
[02:11:35] <os1r1s> Part of this is about the learning experience. Working with something new.
[02:11:44] <bensbenz> maybe 10 years ago steppers sucked, i dont know, but i never had an issue
[02:11:56] <malcom2073> However, your experience is hardly a replacement for science :P
[02:11:59] <FloppyDisk> Servo's are cool, though... and the feedback will keep you on track...
[02:12:03] <os1r1s> And I figure with ballscrews and servos, it should be accurate, fast, and new
[02:12:26] <bensbenz> i always wondered about servos, so they will tell you when they are off, but doesnt it still stop?
[02:12:26] <FloppyDisk> Actually, the resolution of a stepper in microstepper 'can' be finer than servo's as encoders are around 2000 or 4000 steps/rev.
[02:12:47] <malcom2073> bensbenz: Depends on your configuration
[02:12:53] <malcom2073> if your error goes past your maximum follow error, it will fault
[02:12:57] <malcom2073> and stop
[02:13:04] <FloppyDisk> For the servo's you set a bandwidth or error window. Within the window, it keeps chugging, outside the window, then you get an 'out of position' error...
[02:13:05] <bensbenz> i mean if it over traveled so what if you know the part is scraped anyways no?
[02:13:54] <bensbenz> i get it on a big machine, I just never understood it on a machine that was a converted desktop style.
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[02:13:54] <malcom2073> bensbenz: Right, but you'll know it's about to overtravel before it overtravels, you can *tell* when you're getting close to the limit, where with steppers you only know you're over the limit when you lose a step
[02:13:56] <FloppyDisk> If you go out of that error window, yeah, your part is scraped...
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[02:14:00] <os1r1s> bensbenz Maybe it stops before you break more than the part.
[02:14:20] <bensbenz> i guess, you planning on production?
[02:14:44] <bensbenz> I am planning on production, and i quickly realized time for real machine lol
[02:14:47] <FloppyDisk> With the servo, it'll correct, but the stepper will keep losing steps until you notice. Again, properly sized steppers will run all day!
[02:15:08] <FloppyDisk> Sorry - gotta run, wife todo list calls.
[02:15:29] <os1r1s> bensbenz So what are you moving to?
[02:15:40] <bensbenz> HAAS DT-1
[02:15:41] <malcom2073> I'd love to convert back to servos, just because I'd gain a decent amount of speed
[02:15:44] <malcom2073> it sucks jogging at 30IPM heh
[02:15:56] <bensbenz> malcom2073: yes that would suck
[02:16:21] <malcom2073> Being as I'm not in production, it's not a killer to do so, it's just an annoyance :P
[02:17:06] <bensbenz> os1r1s: i know some people would say HAAS isnt that great, but for the money and the fact i know some people at HAAS seems like a pretty awesome small machine.
[02:17:12] <neverbuya_subaru> nice mill floppydiskp
[02:17:42] * Jymmm just got a subaru!
[02:19:15] * Jymmm pets neverbuya_subaru
[02:19:45] <os1r1s> bensbenz Can you answer a question about one of your pictures on instagram? There was a post 10W ago, but I can't link to the exact video.
[02:20:05] <bensbenz> yea whats the question?
[02:21:03] <bensbenz> mill or lathe?
[02:21:14] <enleth> bensbenz: open-loop control is just bad, end of story
[02:21:22] <enleth> *whatever* goes wrong and you don't even know it
[02:21:36] <neverbuya_subaru> http://i.imgur.com/yValqti.jpg
[02:21:40] <neverbuya_subaru> man that plastic is KICKINg my ass
[02:21:48] <neverbuya_subaru> reverse modeling it
[02:22:22] <Jymmm> neverbuya_subaru: wth is it?
[02:22:23] <os1r1s> bensbenz mill
[02:22:28] <PetefromTn_> andypugh sorry man I was out in the shop trying to tidy things up. No I don't remember saying anything about working with files but who knows ;) I was cleaning up tons of junk and stuff I don't need anymore.
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[02:23:28] <neverbuya_subaru> hmm i might need to manually probe this thing on the mill
[02:23:28] <bensbenz> enleth: i maintain that a properly setup machine will run just fine open loop, its real world experience not theory
[02:23:31] <neverbuya_subaru> with a dial indicator
[02:23:39] <neverbuya_subaru> i have a 5" travel indicator
[02:23:49] <Jymmm> neverbuya_subaru: wth is it?
[02:24:00] <neverbuya_subaru> this is the time i wish i had a faro arm :(
[02:24:02] <malcom2073> Lol that's ghetto neverbuya_subaru
[02:24:04] <bensbenz> enleth: of course I am referring to a converted machine in my garage
[02:24:12] <neverbuya_subaru> malcom2073: gotta do what you gotta do man!
[02:24:19] <Jymmm> neverbuya_subaru: wth is it?
[02:24:21] <neverbuya_subaru> need a faro
[02:24:42] <enleth> bensbenz: but... why?
[02:24:49] <enleth> lower price, maybe?
[02:24:56] <enleth> I see no other reason.
[02:25:03] <malcom2073> Lower price, ease of hardware
[02:25:08] <malcom2073> No waiting 3 week lead time on mesa hardware :P
[02:25:23] <enleth> well you can drive a stepper with an arduino, I'll admit that
[02:25:30] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I think neverbuya_subaru has me on ignore! lol
[02:25:38] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Possible, I sometimes think about it :P
[02:25:38] <bensbenz> enleth: lower price, easier to setup, easier to maintain ect....
[02:25:45] <malcom2073> neverbuya_subaru: What is that thing?
[02:25:55] <enleth> but if you are technically capable of using a servo, use a servo
[02:25:56] <neverbuya_subaru> malcom2073: water dispenser lol
[02:26:00] <neverbuya_subaru> some fancy one
[02:26:02] <malcom2073> neverbuya_subaru: Huh?
[02:26:12] <malcom2073> neverbuya_subaru: You have Jymmm on ignore?
[02:26:16] <Jymmm> with speakers?
[02:26:18] <neverbuya_subaru> ya
[02:26:19] <bensbenz> enleth: i guess i am too cheap to buy hardware worth 4x the price of the machine its going on
[02:26:21] <malcom2073> Haha awesome.
[02:26:32] <bensbenz> enleth: it just doesnt compute in my head
[02:26:35] <enleth> bensbenz: me too, so buying used stuff
[02:26:43] <malcom2073> Even used servo stuff isn't cheap
[02:27:00] <enleth> I don't know how, but AMCs are dirt cheap
[02:27:07] <bensbenz> enleth: then you got to dick with it, i like to make parts not play with my machines all day, but i understand for some thats part of the joy of it all
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[02:27:35] <Jymmm> malcom2073: What neverbuya_subaru doens't realize is that payback is a bitch =)
[02:27:44] <malcom2073> enleth: True, but dirt cheap is still easily 5x more than steppers
[02:27:47] <malcom2073> and that's used
[02:27:47] <enleth> bensbenz: maybe I'm just fed up with steppers, too much time spent playing with 3D printers
[02:28:06] <bensbenz> enleth: now that i get... seen some pretty bad ones
[02:28:17] <malcom2073> Haha, well yeah, you play with crap drivers and controls, you're gonna have a bad opinion of steppers
[02:28:26] <bensbenz> enleth: but no servo is going to help with how shitty some of those printers are made
[02:28:47] <enleth> the pain is that I used drives that were supposed to be good
[02:29:04] <Jymmm> enleth: which ones?
[02:29:15] <bensbenz> enleth: i just get chinese stuff from keling\automation technologies and it always works
[02:29:31] <enleth> Jymmm: Geckos, some drivers based on Allegro Micro chips
[02:29:44] <bensbenz> helps i can speak their language, that still surprises them when I go in there and a white boy knows what they are talking about... lol
[02:29:59] <malcom2073> geckos are amazing, the allegro micro ones are poo
[02:30:00] <Jymmm> enleth: iirc geckos are NOT allergo based
[02:30:23] <malcom2073> If you got a "gecko" with an allegro micro chip inside, you got a clone :P
[02:30:30] <enleth> Jymmm: yes, they are not, I meant to say that I used Gecko *and* some other type, can't recall now
[02:30:38] <Jymmm> enleth: and allegro do NOT have mid-band compensation, geckos DO.
[02:30:45] <Jymmm> enleth: ah
[02:30:59] <malcom2073> mid-band compensation makes a WORLD of difference at 3d printing speeds
[02:31:11] <enleth> The only steppers I've been happy with are Nanotec PD series, but they are factory matched with a built-in drive, have an encoder and can emulate a servo externally
[02:31:47] <enleth> They also run Java, which may be considered a bug or a feature
[02:32:57] <bensbenz> enleth: java is a bug if its anyhting like PC java
[02:33:00] <enleth> (seriously though, you can program them to react to limit switches on their own even if the control hangs up and tells them to keep going, they have some GPIO pins)
[02:33:15] <enleth> bensbenz: no, it's a very basic CLDC JVM
[02:33:48] <enleth> doesn't have GC (so no dynamic allocation), standard library is stripped down to a bare minimum
[02:34:07] <enleth> just enough to handle serial, some math and motor control
[02:35:25] <enleth> I have two of those, keeping them as test motors and I mostly lend them to friends building small CNC stuff
[02:36:08] <enleth> so that they can test the mechanical design without worrying about sizing motors and drivers properly
[02:37:01] <enleth> they're NEMA 23 so they fit most desktop designs
[02:38:12] <enleth> I keep them configured for a limit switch on one pin and step/dir control, so it's a safe drop-in replacement
[02:39:11] <enleth> but they do have torque, velocity and position control
[02:39:46] <neverbuya_subaru> a stepper is like a car w/ a rotary engine
[02:39:56] <neverbuya_subaru> a servo is like a car w/ a v8 =-)
[02:39:58] * neverbuya_subaru hides
[02:41:01] <bensbenz> neverbuya_subaru: lolz i think we got it
[02:41:26] <bensbenz> servos on my machine is like sticking a V8 into a minibike
[02:41:35] <bensbenz> im sure its possible, but whats the point
[02:41:42] <neverbuya_subaru> steppers to me don't make sense on a milling application
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[02:41:51] <neverbuya_subaru> where positional accuracy and repeatability is pretty important
[02:42:43] <bensbenz> my machine does it everyday with steppers
[02:43:16] <neverbuya_subaru> do you have metrology equipment to inspect your parts?
[02:43:54] <bensbenz> dont need to, parts fit into other parts that come from other places, thats more than good enough... its not a grinder its a milling machine
[02:44:02] <bensbenz> im not making airplane parts
[02:44:32] <neverbuya_subaru> oki
[02:44:40] <bensbenz> people get way to caught up in things being down to the tenth when its probably 99% not needed
[02:44:49] <bensbenz> espically for a guy in his garage
[02:44:54] <neverbuya_subaru> talk for yourself :)
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[02:45:20] <Erant> bensbenz: What machine do you have?
[02:45:24] <bensbenz> if I was a pro shop it would be a different story, but I wouldnt be on here talking about lcnc either
[02:45:32] <bensbenz> Erant: g0704
[02:45:36] <neverbuya_subaru> so you don't think pro machines would run linuxcnc?
[02:45:37] <neverbuya_subaru> :)
[02:45:38] <Erant> I put servos on my little machine.
[02:45:39] <neverbuya_subaru> ouch!
[02:46:01] <Erant> My machine's smaller than the g0704, and it's performing really well with some 200W 48VDC 5A servos.
[02:46:02] <bensbenz> i dont think theres a pro machine i would buy today for a production environment that runs lcnc... do you know of one?
[02:46:24] <Erant> bensbenz: Tormach's based on LinuxCNC, if I recall correctly.
[02:46:30] <neverbuya_subaru> erant tormach is a joke
[02:46:30] <neverbuya_subaru> :)
[02:46:36] <bensbenz> I dont consider those a pro machine
[02:46:43] <enleth> bensbenz: there's this guy who converted a mindboggingly fucking enormous mill to linuxcnc and he's using it commercially
[02:46:52] <bensbenz> i went to their open house...
[02:46:53] <neverbuya_subaru> enleth: that big ass 5 axis is crazy
[02:47:03] <enleth> neverbuya_subaru: yes, that one
[02:47:08] <enleth> bensbenz: let me find the vid
[02:47:08] <neverbuya_subaru> bensbenz: tier 1 supplier i doubt it
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[02:47:15] <neverbuya_subaru> even tier 2
[02:47:19] <bensbenz> enleth: i am not saying it doesnt exist, but he didnt buy it new that way right?
[02:47:21] <neverbuya_subaru> its cause most people don't know how to use it
[02:47:29] <neverbuya_subaru> people are used to sinumerik, fanuc
[02:47:44] <bensbenz> and im not saying lcnc isnt capable of pro level work, i just converted my lathe and its awesome
[02:47:55] <neverbuya_subaru> it sounded like that :P
[02:48:00] <enleth> bensbenz: https://youtu.be/mxxdq6y8z8M?t=45s
[02:48:19] <enleth> bensbenz: he's got a whole factory floor full of machines like this running linuxcnc
[02:48:27] <neverbuya_subaru> i doubt you'll see linuxcnc at a tier 1 anytime
[02:48:43] <neverbuya_subaru> no one is to blame is things go wrong :P
[02:48:47] <bensbenz> are they all that slow?
[02:49:07] <bensbenz> thats from 2008 anyways, its 2016 man, different world
[02:49:31] <enleth> bensbenz: the iron is 1970s or something, no wonder it's slow
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[02:49:42] <neverbuya_subaru> thats jus tbeing run in test mode
[02:49:42] <neverbuya_subaru> fyi
[02:49:48] <bensbenz> enleth: kinda proving my point
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[02:51:09] <bensbenz> its just a different world altogether, you would have to be an expert at lcnc which I am sure takes quite a while, for it to make any sense to use it in a fast moving production environment.
[02:52:07] <neverbuya_subaru> bensbenz: you can't call someone to your faiclity
[02:52:08] <bensbenz> the support you get from a tier 1 vendor is required. one person cant know everything about everything, i have had to learn myself
[02:52:10] <neverbuya_subaru> to fix your machine though!
[02:52:18] <neverbuya_subaru> thats the main prob i think
[02:52:52] <bensbenz> right, thats what i mean you would need 1-2 people on staff that were experts. no one to call for help and time is money in production
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[02:53:31] <neverbuya_subaru> after the stepper based lathe conversion
[02:53:35] <neverbuya_subaru> man ill never go stepper again
[02:53:44] <neverbuya_subaru> but i run my machines hard :P
[02:53:49] <neverbuya_subaru> so that might be part of the prob
[02:54:10] <enleth> eh, if it doesn't survive being handled hard, it was crap
[02:54:22] <neverbuya_subaru> so easy to skip steps on the 1200oz-in motors
[02:54:23] <neverbuya_subaru> on the lathe
[02:54:24] <neverbuya_subaru> :(
[02:54:28] <neverbuya_subaru> would do it randomly too!
[02:54:35] <enleth> I take this attitude towards any hardware I own and it's fine, I just end up keeping the stuff that wasn't crap
[02:54:36] <neverbuya_subaru> got sick of it pretty quick
[02:56:54] <Erant> I ended up spending about $300 for my full servo solution. I would've saved maybe $150 going for steppers. Not worth it especially considering I wouldn't get nearly the rapids I get now.
[02:57:27] <neverbuya_subaru> speed is nice
[02:57:35] <neverbuya_subaru> but i think the closed loop feedback is super important
[02:57:42] <neverbuya_subaru> cause you ferror out if things go wrong
[02:57:43] <neverbuya_subaru> and you know!
[02:57:56] <enleth> and the part may end up being recoverable
[02:58:03] <neverbuya_subaru> yes!!
[02:58:10] <neverbuya_subaru> i scrapped a very expensive bronze piece
[02:58:13] <neverbuya_subaru> on the stepper lathe
[02:58:15] <neverbuya_subaru> was so pissed
[02:58:37] <enleth> especially when you *lose* a step and you immediately know it - usually it means that the cut didn't go as far as intended so the piece isn't ruined yet
[02:58:38] <neverbuya_subaru> couldn't fix it cause it was supposed to be a brand new part, not a repaired part
[02:59:06] <neverbuya_subaru> now that i think about it, having encoders on the stepper shafts to track position
[02:59:13] <neverbuya_subaru> (not necessarily for position loop closing)
[02:59:15] <bensbenz> i have never had a missed step unless i crashed
[02:59:18] <neverbuya_subaru> but just as a ferror monitoring would be nice
[02:59:24] <bensbenz> at least that i can tell
[02:59:33] <neverbuya_subaru> thats the thing bensbenz you cant tell
[02:59:49] <bensbenz> if it didnt cause a bad part, who cares...
[02:59:59] <neverbuya_subaru> when you material costs $200
[03:00:02] <neverbuya_subaru> you do care
[03:00:12] <bensbenz> i guess there is always a chance yes
[03:00:14] <neverbuya_subaru> when the part youre working on is a repair job, and they dont make it
[03:00:20] <neverbuya_subaru> it is a big deal
[03:00:23] <bensbenz> not every case is the same i get that
[03:00:25] <neverbuya_subaru> when you've spent 8 hours on a part
[03:00:28] <neverbuya_subaru> it becomes a big deal :P
[03:00:40] <neverbuya_subaru> but really it depends on what youre making
[03:00:46] <enleth> better safe than sorry
[03:00:59] <bensbenz> in those cases i agree with you
[03:01:01] <neverbuya_subaru> if youre doing it has a hobby
[03:01:03] <neverbuya_subaru> who cares :P
[03:01:10] <neverbuya_subaru> *as
[03:01:16] <enleth> also you can join #linuxcnc and brag about your servo setup instead of being dissed for using steppers
[03:01:23] <bensbenz> eaxctly my point, when this becomes more than a hobby, i will buy a real machine
[03:01:32] <bensbenz> lol
[03:01:32] <neverbuya_subaru> enleth: haha
[03:03:11] <neverbuya_subaru> man i need to do something about my basement
[03:03:15] <neverbuya_subaru> its a frigging disaster down there
[03:05:09] <Erant> bensbenz: I mean, how much are you really saving with the steppers though?
[03:05:48] <jdh> if I could have gotten servos for 2x whatI paid for steppers, I certainly would have.
[03:06:05] <neverbuya_subaru> jdh: used market :D
[03:06:06] <neverbuya_subaru> http://i.imgur.com/z2M9Ecx.gif
[03:06:07] <neverbuya_subaru> holy cow
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[03:07:21] <bensbenz> Erant: dont know, i think my setup for the mill for motors and drivers was $300?
[03:07:37] <bensbenz> the lathe was less than 200
[03:07:39] <neverbuya_subaru> thats cheap!
[03:07:45] <neverbuya_subaru> which ones did you go with
[03:07:50] <neverbuya_subaru> and what drives
[03:07:58] <neverbuya_subaru> i need something for the plasma cutter
[03:08:02] <neverbuya_subaru> 300 is sweet
[03:08:13] <neverbuya_subaru> i only need to hold 20 thou
[03:08:51] <bensbenz> the mill is two 500oz nema 23's and one ~900 ozin nema34 with digital drivers
[03:09:17] <bensbenz> its all from automationtechnologies.com
[03:09:43] <neverbuya_subaru> i ordered 2 1200oz in steppers
[03:09:46] <neverbuya_subaru> and a drive with it
[03:09:49] <neverbuya_subaru> it was like 600
[03:10:03] <bensbenz> cheap china shit but it works good. my mill has never had an issue short of inductive limits getting coolant logged
[03:10:11] <bensbenz> from where automationdirect or something
[03:10:27] <neverbuya_subaru> yea
[03:10:29] <neverbuya_subaru> theyre in chicago
[03:10:29] <bensbenz> some commercial supplier?
[03:10:38] <neverbuya_subaru> automatiocn technologies
[03:11:13] <bensbenz> yea i can drive there, but automationtech is not automationdirect
[03:11:55] <bensbenz> im surprised anything from automation technologies was that expensive. it was a 1200oz what frame?
[03:12:02] <bensbenz> 34?
[03:12:30] <neverbuya_subaru> 34 yes
[03:13:45] <neverbuya_subaru> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema-34/nema34-stepper-motor%E2%80%931200ozin-6amp-single-shaftkl34h2120-60-4a-key
[03:14:00] <neverbuya_subaru> oh i ordered a power supply with it
[03:14:02] <neverbuya_subaru> nm :P
[03:15:13] <bensbenz> yea those are only 100, what drivers did you go with?
[03:15:44] <neverbuya_subaru> kl-8070d
[03:15:56] <neverbuya_subaru> i hope i remembered that right
[03:15:59] <neverbuya_subaru> its been a couple years now
[03:16:13] <neverbuya_subaru> yes its correct
[03:17:17] <bensbenz> are thos ethe digital auto tuning ones?
[03:17:25] <bensbenz> thats what I got, they are pretty sweet
[03:17:54] <neverbuya_subaru> yea
[03:21:30] <bensbenz> and you had trouble with them?
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[03:36:31] <neverbuya_subaru> no
[03:36:35] <neverbuya_subaru> but hey were being steppers
[03:36:39] <neverbuya_subaru> losing position here and there in between cuts
[03:36:43] <neverbuya_subaru> *they
[03:38:22] <enleth> fun idea: replace the moisture sensor in an iPhone with something that looks like the same white rubbery stuff but foams up and emits loads of horribly stinky smoke upon contact with water, send to one of those Apple service centers infamous for triggering moisture sensors to get out of expensive repairs
[03:43:04] <bensbenz> my stepper lathe just kicked out 3 parts all within .0005
[03:45:41] <neverbuya_subaru> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXCIRc1wM7A
[03:45:44] <neverbuya_subaru> SERvo power!!!
[03:45:44] <neverbuya_subaru> :D
[03:46:21] <neverbuya_subaru> bad cam programming :P
[03:47:26] <Duc_mobile> what size of mill is it
[03:47:39] <neverbuya_subaru> you mean its travel?
[03:47:51] <Duc_mobile> hp and tool holder size
[03:47:58] <neverbuya_subaru> 5hp, #40 taper
[03:48:20] <Duc_mobile> have you tried to chip thinning yet
[03:48:42] <neverbuya_subaru> yes
[03:49:03] <neverbuya_subaru> i have this face mill that has an insert that takes advantage of chip thinning
[03:49:03] <bensbenz> yea was just about to say that
[03:49:12] <neverbuya_subaru> you can do 30 thou doc
[03:49:14] <neverbuya_subaru> but at 200ipm
[03:49:16] <bensbenz> you could really destroy with HSM paths
[03:49:23] <neverbuya_subaru> bensbenz: im using mastercam
[03:49:25] <neverbuya_subaru> and simple contour
[03:49:30] <neverbuya_subaru> its a simple part :P
[03:49:32] <bensbenz> 5HP he could do way more than that
[03:49:46] <neverbuya_subaru> i try not to do more than .25" doc
[03:49:52] <neverbuya_subaru> w/ the 3/4" cutter
[03:50:02] <neverbuya_subaru> cause the insert can only cut .3 doc max
[03:50:32] <bensbenz> so you are wasting .05 of the insert :P
[03:50:39] <neverbuya_subaru> safety buffer :)
[03:51:13] <bensbenz> are you neverbuya_subaru because its Japanese?
[03:51:21] <neverbuya_subaru> no
[03:51:25] <neverbuya_subaru> i blew the motor driving on the highway
[03:51:32] <neverbuya_subaru> catastrophically and had to pay a 3500 tow bill
[03:51:36] <neverbuya_subaru> so im butt hurt from it still
[03:51:42] <bensbenz> oh lol i c
[03:52:08] <bensbenz> i thought perhaps you were Chinese
[03:52:39] <neverbuya_subaru> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWhrfoTLx7w
[03:52:45] <neverbuya_subaru> not my own laser cutter
[03:52:49] <neverbuya_subaru> but when i see that
[03:52:52] <neverbuya_subaru> its hard not to like servos
[03:52:52] <neverbuya_subaru> :D
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[03:53:15] <neverbuya_subaru> i was operating that for students last year
[03:53:21] <neverbuya_subaru> i think it was doing 2000 ipm
[03:53:22] <neverbuya_subaru> i forget
[03:53:46] <bensbenz> is that a fiber laser?
[03:54:00] <neverbuya_subaru> co2
[03:54:02] <os1r1s> neverbuya_subaru What's that have to do with servos?
[03:54:11] <neverbuya_subaru> os1r1s: fast, highly repeatabile
[03:54:14] <neverbuya_subaru> repeatable
[03:54:28] <os1r1s> neverbuya_subaru My Laser cutter uses steppers for the same thing
[03:54:35] <os1r1s> And it about the same speed
[03:54:53] <neverbuya_subaru> are we seriously going to argue stepper vs servos tonight
[03:54:56] <neverbuya_subaru> this happens every 4 months
[03:54:58] <neverbuya_subaru> getting tired of it :(
[03:55:20] <os1r1s> I'm actually sold on servos as I'm putting them on my new mill I ordered
[03:55:34] <os1r1s> neverbuya_subaru But I don't think the LC is a good example of servos vs steppers
[03:55:39] <neverbuya_subaru> it is
[03:55:54] <neverbuya_subaru> cause it's closed loop
[03:55:58] <neverbuya_subaru> and that right there is a good enough reason!
[03:56:36] <bensbenz> no need to fight, i agree servos are better, but steppers have their place for sure
[03:57:51] <os1r1s> FWIW, all ULS and versalaser CO2 lasers use steppers and they work just fine.
[03:58:50] <bensbenz> i would think lasers are a bad example because theres very little resistance right? not like pushing a cutter through metal
[03:59:08] <os1r1s> bensbenz I would tend to agree
[04:03:31] <andypugh> closed loop steppers really confuse the argument.
[04:03:40] <neverbuya_subaru> os1r1s: your steppers can do 2000 ipm?
[04:03:43] <neverbuya_subaru> for the laser?
[04:03:47] <andypugh> Are they steppers or 50-pole servos?
[04:03:58] <os1r1s> They are steppers. I've taken it apart
[04:03:58] <neverbuya_subaru> andypugh: youre up late!
[04:05:22] <os1r1s> neverbuya_subaru They move pretty damn fast. The same speed as the video you posted.
[04:05:36] <neverbuya_subaru> 2000 ipm fast?
[04:05:43] <os1r1s> When cutting/etching. Faster when going rapid
[04:07:34] <os1r1s> I doubt its 2000 IPM, but I don't think the video you posted was either
[04:07:35] <neverbuya_subaru> i guess i read wrong
[04:07:38] <neverbuya_subaru> http://www.troteclaser.com/en-US/Laser-Machines/Documents/laser-engraver-speedy-brochure.pdf
[04:07:44] <neverbuya_subaru> it does 8200 ipm
[04:07:49] <andypugh> neverbuya_subaru: Yes, I am, rather.
[04:08:10] <neverbuya_subaru> os1r1s: i was fcutting 1/4" acrylic in that
[04:08:17] <neverbuya_subaru> so it didnt need to go super fast
[04:08:37] <neverbuya_subaru> andypugh: how many hours of sleep do you get in a night
[04:08:51] <andypugh> I was watching the History channel. They dragged me in. Partly by a trailer with _my_ Robotwars robot. I appear to be history :-)
[04:08:53] <os1r1s> That would be 11 feet per second
[04:08:57] <bensbenz> well gents i am off
[04:09:02] <os1r1s> neverbuya_subaru ^
[04:09:18] <neverbuya_subaru> read spec sheet! :P
[04:09:24] <neverbuya_subaru> it says 3.66m/s
[04:09:30] <neverbuya_subaru> 3.55
[04:10:03] <neverbuya_subaru> so my video was a pretty bad comparison i guess :P
[04:10:08] <andypugh> neverbuya_subaru: I have only once been in a Subaru. It was great until the big ends went. So in my experience big-ends go every 20 miles. Though it was the Nurburgring.
[04:10:22] <neverbuya_subaru> andypugh: turbo car?
[04:10:31] neverbuya_subaru is now known as zeeshan
[04:11:41] <andypugh> Not sure. A long time ago. Driver: “I think that’s the exhaust heat shield” …. “no, it sounds a lot worse than that” Me: “Big end bearings, I know that noise"
[04:11:49] <zeeshan> haha
[04:12:12] <zeeshan> i knew mine wasn't a rod knock cause it didnt happen on accel
[04:12:14] <zeeshan> only on decel
[04:12:30] <zeeshan> i bet the dealership 500$ that its the piston :-)
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[04:12:45] <andypugh> This was oil slosh with the stock sump on a race track.
[04:14:42] <andypugh> Its a wierd corner, a choice of smooth and flt or bumpy concrete and banked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8z0YZyB8Mk
[04:15:12] <andypugh> (That’s a pace-car lap, so not typical for speed)
[04:15:18] <zeeshan> id love to drive the nurburgring
[04:15:28] <zeeshan> i love the high speed section
[04:16:02] <andypugh> So do it. Fly to Germany, rent a car, drive the Ring
[04:16:10] <zeeshan> i wanna do it in the rx7!
[04:16:11] <zeeshan> :)
[04:16:21] <andypugh> More tricky
[04:16:41] <zeeshan> i have this plan to jump on queen mary 2 and get to dover
[04:16:42] <andypugh> Your RX7 or any RX7?
[04:16:53] <zeeshan> and then travel europe
[04:17:03] <zeeshan> my rx7
[04:17:13] <zeeshan> prolly not the wisest idea
[04:17:16] <zeeshan> cause itll blow up
[04:17:28] <andypugh> I am not sure you can get a car on QM2.
[04:18:56] <zeeshan> i came across a post where someone did
[04:19:01] <zeeshan> theres other options though
[04:19:04] <zeeshan> it costs about 1500 usd
[04:19:13] <zeeshan> another 1200 for insurance
[04:19:27] <PetefromTn_> Of course it would blow up ;)
[04:19:48] <andypugh> Insurance may be semi-optional
[04:19:50] <zeeshan> yea but at least any machine shop could fix it
[04:19:59] <zeeshan> unlike the rotary which when it blows up will blow up everything with it :P
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[04:20:16] <zeeshan> andypugh: when i was like 12 years old
[04:20:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah yeah I hear ya talking
[04:20:29] <zeeshan> i was in germany and i saw this car w/ canadian plates in germany
[04:20:31] <zeeshan> and i got inspired :D
[04:20:38] <zeeshan> they were there from BC
[04:21:12] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: my subaru blew up
[04:21:17] <zeeshan> driving on the highway :{
[04:21:26] <zeeshan> now im stuck driving the beater mazda protege
[04:21:28] <PetefromTn_> Damn Subaru's hehe
[04:21:42] <zeeshan> its what i use to transport my welding tanks
[04:21:42] <zeeshan> haha
[04:21:59] <PetefromTn_> hey at least you got a backup
[04:22:09] <zeeshan> yea man
[04:22:13] <bobo__> zeeshan what is tow cost from europe to canada ?
[04:22:13] <zeeshan> its always good to have a beater around
[04:22:28] <zeeshan> it has 71,000 km on it
[04:22:36] <zeeshan> but its rusty cause its old 2002
[04:22:41] <zeeshan> and canada rapes cars
[04:22:52] <zeeshan> bobo 239082130938320
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[04:23:13] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: where were you when i was getting beat up in the servo vs stepper battle
[04:23:15] <zeeshan> :(
[04:23:25] <zeeshan> did you hook yours up to the lathe?
[04:23:26] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/nOPTU Got my Yaks all stored nice
[04:23:41] <zeeshan> nice
[04:23:52] <PetefromTn_> I have honestly not really been around here much lately. even when I log in I am mostly doing other schtuff
[04:24:00] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ Your kayaks have carriers
[04:24:25] <PetefromTn_> I STARTED to work on the lathe today but I had so much shit all around the shop I HAD to take care of the boats etc.
[04:24:34] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean carriers?
[04:24:49] <os1r1s> I see kayaks on top of kayaks
[04:25:11] <PetefromTn_> they are just leaned against the wall and strapped so the smaller ones don't fall over
[04:25:37] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to find a cheap trailer like an old jetski trailer so I can modify it to hold all of them
[04:25:54] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ Those are so light I'd think you could build one
[04:25:58] <PetefromTn_> and I gotta make a wheeled PVC pipe carrier for when we are at the lake or beach
[04:26:01] <os1r1s> With some old axles
[04:26:24] <PetefromTn_> I am sure I could but it is just easier to start with a decent trailer and build off of it.
[04:28:04] <PetefromTn_> I am SO wanting to get this lathe going. Been crazy busy lately
[04:28:29] <PetefromTn_> My wife and I agreed to clean up the shop and she is gonna help me work on it this weekend.
[04:29:38] <renesis> 04:21 < zeeshan> PetefromTn_: my subaru blew up
[04:29:58] <renesis> when everyone says to me GET A WRX, my response is usually, dont those break?
[04:30:06] <renesis> heh, no one says no
[04:30:31] <PetefromTn_> I honestly never had one so I don't know.
[04:30:54] <renesis> 'well i mean cmon, when you got that much power going to the wheels and the tires all connect at once, shrug...'
[04:30:59] <PetefromTn_> subaru's are supposed to be reliable cars but I don't know about the AWD boosted ones LOL
[04:31:39] <renesis> with a used one, id just assume it lived a harder life, because how do you own one and not push it
[04:31:49] <renesis> its not really a garage queen
[04:31:59] <XXCoder> zeeshan: get plastic car. no rust ;)
[04:32:41] <bobo__> PetelustingforFlordia so where can you store the Yack trailer ? more reasion to buy a shop vers house in florida. yes?
[04:33:50] <andypugh> I had such plans for err, today. But at 0430, I doubt I will see the morning and daylight at the same time
[04:34:03] <andypugh> Time to collapse
[04:34:11] <renesis> k nite
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[04:35:08] <PetefromTn_> bobo__ well the plan actually is to get a utility trailer
[04:35:25] <PetefromTn_> then build a rack that I can break down that holds the yaks
[04:35:36] <PetefromTn_> make it modular/removable
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[04:35:44] <PetefromTn_> so I can use the trailer to haul other stuff
[04:35:56] <zeeshan> boosted ones are the problem
[04:36:01] <zeeshan> the trans is stout
[04:36:42] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Yaks??? http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/You-Did-not-Know-These-About-Yaks-2.jpg
[04:37:02] <zeeshan> im seriously considering a 4runner limited edition
[04:37:05] <zeeshan> with full time 4wd
[04:37:09] <zeeshan> great suv
[04:37:18] <zeeshan> has the ability to lock the center diff too
[04:37:22] <PetefromTn_> great until you roll over LOL
[04:37:23] <zeeshan> useful for offorad
[04:37:37] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i dont drive my daily drivers like i stole em
[04:37:38] <zeeshan> :P
[04:38:08] <PetefromTn_> there is a shop down south of me that has a shit load of them that are all wrecked for parts sales. MOST of them are rollover accidents
[04:38:11] <zeeshan> ive been doing a lot of hiking deep in the bush
[04:38:19] <zeeshan> and the roads there especially in the winter are not clean
[04:38:27] <PetefromTn_> I like the Nissan Xterra's
[04:38:30] <bobo__> Pete I am just moaning about american houses are not good design for people who do the stuff people here do
[04:38:54] <Jymmm> bobo__: Like sleep?
[04:38:56] <PetefromTn_> not sure what you mean bobo
[04:38:58] <zeeshan> http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Toyota/4Runner/Burlington/Ontario/5_26040243_ON20080227102113875/?showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=37_15_57
[04:39:00] <zeeshan> this is the one i looked at
[04:39:01] <zeeshan> i love it
[04:39:12] <zeeshan> but it does have high miles on it
[04:39:22] <zeeshan> i cant afford the brand new ones
[04:39:26] <zeeshan> they relike 56000$
[04:39:29] <zeeshan> too much
[04:39:48] <PetefromTn_> that one and the new ones are stupid expensive IMHO
[04:40:00] <bobo__> pete house vers a big shop
[04:40:03] <zeeshan> i cant go back to cloth seats
[04:40:10] <zeeshan> and non heated seats, mirrors, windows, etc :(
[04:40:12] <zeeshan> im spoiled now
[04:40:12] <PetefromTn_> I hate leather seats
[04:40:23] <zeeshan> i used to hate them too
[04:40:29] <zeeshan> till i started my car for long trips
[04:40:31] <zeeshan> i love em now
[04:40:46] <PetefromTn_> They're all slidey
[04:40:51] <zeeshan> i like that!
[04:41:02] <PetefromTn_> then they wear and look like shit after awhile
[04:41:02] <zeeshan> bucket seats take care of that though
[04:41:35] <PetefromTn_> a halfway decent cloth seat is more comfortable and typically lasts longer in my experience
[04:41:50] <PetefromTn_> the softer the leather the shorter the life span
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[04:42:58] <PetefromTn_> http://www.xterranation.org/showthread.php?7267-2004-Nissan-Xterra-XE-SAS Here ya go ;)
[04:43:20] <zeeshan> :P
[04:43:34] <PetefromTn_> That's what I want ;)
[04:43:46] <PetefromTn_> probably have to build my own tho.
[04:44:13] <zeeshan> i loved every bit about the subaru
[04:44:15] <zeeshan> till it blew a piston
[04:44:17] <zeeshan> it was such a fun car
[04:44:27] <zeeshan> never got stuck in snow or offroad trails
[04:44:36] <zeeshan> not hardcore offroading obvviously :P
[04:44:49] <zeeshan> blah
[04:45:12] <PetefromTn_> well see that's why you blew the damn thing up....;)
[04:45:22] <zeeshan> nah dude
[04:45:28] <zeeshan> theres about 150 guys on the nasioc forums
[04:45:34] <zeeshan> that blew their engine with no mods or anything
[04:45:40] <zeeshan> theres a big thread about it
[04:45:50] <zeeshan> people replace the pistons w/ forged pistons
[04:45:52] <zeeshan> and the car lasts forever
[04:46:03] <bobo__> jymmm like working on various metalworking-cars -etc. vers the martha s show room house
[04:46:12] <zeeshan> but do i really wanna spend 3 weeks of my time
[04:46:14] <zeeshan> building an engine?
[04:46:17] <zeeshan> on my daily driver?!?
[04:46:22] <zeeshan> it was supposed to be a headache free car :[
[04:46:26] <zeeshan> don't need 2 projects
[04:47:17] <zeeshan> suv is more practical for me since i do like hiking, and itll allow me to tow machines home!
[04:49:07] <PetefromTn_> yup I want the SUV for hiking/kayaking/fishing/exploring/4wheeling etc.
[04:49:23] <PetefromTn_> I drove a couple Xterras and they are quite nice
[04:49:42] <PetefromTn_> there is a lot of tough stuff you can do with them too now including bolt on SAS axles
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[04:50:35] <XXCoder> zeeshan: plastic car. ;)
[04:50:39] <PetefromTn_> they are also relatively easy to mod if you keep the IFS
[04:53:32] <zeeshan> nice
[04:53:42] <zeeshan> i like toyota reliability at least when it comes to their engine and trans
[04:53:46] <zeeshan> not their throttle :)
[04:53:49] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/oJYD5Tl.jpg
[04:53:56] <zeeshan> if i can drive through these sorts of trails
[04:53:58] <zeeshan> im more than happy
[04:54:05] <zeeshan> i dont plan to do hardcore offroading
[04:54:33] <PetefromTn_> These Nissan's are quite reliable apparently. Many have high miles on them and still run good.
[04:55:37] <zeeshan> http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/03/top-10-most-reliable-car-brands.html
[04:55:39] <zeeshan> im going by this list
[04:55:48] <os1r1s> I sold my offroad/tow vehicle and race car. Now I have to find a nice 8 year old F150
[04:55:49] <zeeshan> for 2015
[04:56:04] <zeeshan> chevy made it to top 10 :D
[04:56:26] <zeeshan> http://autoguide.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/JD-Power-2015-VDS-Rankings.jpg
[04:56:49] <zeeshan> which there was a survey for mechanical reliability only
[04:56:53] <os1r1s> After the fuel pump issue on my F350 I won't buy another diesel
[04:57:21] <XXCoder> why?
[04:57:28] <XXCoder> dieasel do have longer avg life
[04:57:30] <os1r1s> XXCoder $13,000 to repair
[04:57:30] <PetefromTn_> Dunno about all that I would never buy a newer car anyway
[04:57:34] <XXCoder> and better mpog besides
[04:57:37] <XXCoder> ow 13k?
[04:57:40] <zeeshan> whats wrong with newer cars
[04:57:42] <os1r1s> XXCoder Yes
[04:57:52] <XXCoder> it'd be cheaper to buy used one same as your car and pull part
[04:57:54] <PetefromTn_> they are ridiculously expensive
[04:57:59] <zeeshan> o
[04:58:04] <os1r1s> XXCoder They had to replace the HP fuel pump, and all the fuel lines, injectors, etc
[04:58:28] <os1r1s> XXCoder That was an expensive truck. Would have cost me a lot more than 13k for another
[04:58:38] <zeeshan> jeez os1r1s thats insane
[04:58:44] <os1r1s> zeeshan Yeah
[04:58:44] <XXCoder> yeah insane
[04:58:47] <zeeshan> 13k!!!
[04:58:49] <os1r1s> I asked them how often that happened
[04:58:51] <zeeshan> fuel pump made out of gold
[04:58:53] <os1r1s> They said about once a month
[04:59:02] <XXCoder> just gold? plat plated gold
[04:59:04] <os1r1s> I told them they had a design issue
[04:59:13] <os1r1s> zeeshan No, the fuel pump is only 800
[04:59:18] <zeeshan> os1r1s: my first and last experience with diesel was when i was moving my mill 600 km away
[04:59:25] <os1r1s> Its that it blows apart and ruins the entire fuel system
[04:59:25] <zeeshan> the goddamn truck broke down
[04:59:31] <zeeshan> it was a 2012 hino
[04:59:32] <zeeshan> lol
[04:59:37] <zeeshan> DEF issue
[05:00:04] <zeeshan> diesels have so much stuff for emissions its crazy
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[05:00:21] <os1r1s> I replaced the front end and the radiator on my dime. They replaced the fuel pump (entire fuel system) and EGR on theirs.
[05:00:30] <zeeshan> wait
[05:00:33] <PetefromTn_> Volkswagens don't....apparently ;)
[05:00:37] <zeeshan> it blew up and took out other components?
[05:00:38] <os1r1s> Basically a 2012 truck required 22k worth of maint.
[05:00:46] <os1r1s> zeeshan Yes, that is the design flaw
[05:00:46] <zeeshan> like your rad and stuff?
[05:00:49] <zeeshan> is it a mechanical fuel pump?
[05:00:51] <zeeshan> in the engine bay
[05:00:52] <os1r1s> No, diff repairs
[05:00:56] <zeeshan> oh
[05:01:08] <os1r1s> But in 3 years I had all that shit go wrong
[05:01:15] <XXCoder> dang
[05:01:16] <zeeshan> well fords like #20 on that list
[05:01:16] <os1r1s> So I just got rid of it
[05:01:18] <zeeshan> or something like that
[05:01:18] <PetefromTn_> my daughter's husband has had several Ford Diesel trucks
[05:01:19] <zeeshan> :P
[05:01:31] <XXCoder> makes my van with bad idle problems sounds perfectly functional
[05:01:36] <XXCoder> 1996 nissan quest
[05:01:39] <PetefromTn_> they are decent but when they break they are very expensvie to repair
[05:01:53] <zeeshan> im suprised that buick is up on this list
[05:01:56] <zeeshan> i thought they were bad
[05:02:01] <zeeshan> cadillac i can see being up there
[05:02:03] <os1r1s> So I went the complete opposite way and bought a tesla. We'll see how reliable that is.
[05:02:04] <zeeshan> they are pretty damn stout
[05:02:11] <zeeshan> are you serious
[05:02:11] <zeeshan> haha
[05:02:15] <os1r1s> yes
[05:02:18] <zeeshan> thats a complete 360
[05:02:26] <os1r1s> Drove right past PetefromTn_ when I did it
[05:02:36] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[05:02:43] <XXCoder> zeeshan: 360 turn to same direction ;)
[05:02:48] <zeeshan> hhehe
[05:02:49] <XXCoder> its 180 fegree thats opposite lol
[05:02:50] <zeeshan> i like the teslas
[05:02:55] <zeeshan> long live electric cars
[05:02:59] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ In Chattanooga ... https://www.dropbox.com/s/xuj7xp1hk3312qy/teslasc.jpg?dl=0
[05:03:08] <zeeshan> which tesla did you get
[05:03:10] <XXCoder> we REALLY need more lightweight compact batteries.
[05:03:16] <os1r1s> zeeshan 85D
[05:03:17] <PetefromTn_> sweet Model S
[05:03:20] <zeeshan> os1r1s: nice!
[05:03:36] <PetefromTn_> I would love to own one of those but they are still crazy expensive
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[05:03:53] <os1r1s> zeeshan https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3kumrblx8jhyo8/teslachademo2.jpg?dl=0 charing in Birmingham at the Nissan dealership.
[05:04:12] <zeeshan> os1r1s: glad to know somoene who owns it
[05:04:18] <zeeshan> now i can see a real life experience :)
[05:04:22] <os1r1s> haha
[05:04:31] <PetefromTn_> those things haul major ass too
[05:04:34] <zeeshan> a lot of people shit talk them
[05:04:39] <os1r1s> I love it. AWD. Drives itself. Fast as shit
[05:04:40] <zeeshan> quoting reliabilkity etc
[05:04:48] <zeeshan> but i think theyre talking out of their ass
[05:04:50] <zeeshan> gasoline fumes
[05:04:51] <zeeshan> :-)
[05:04:56] <XXCoder> os1r1s: shit arent well known for its speed ;)
[05:05:08] <zeeshan> i think it does 12.8 stock
[05:05:11] <zeeshan> at 110?
[05:05:11] <os1r1s> XXCoder haha
[05:05:24] <os1r1s> zeeshan This one does 0-60 in 3.8s
[05:05:33] <XXCoder> I want my elio
[05:05:42] <XXCoder> but 4th quarter of 2016 bah
[05:06:02] <os1r1s> XXCoder Its not a drag car. But tis fun for a street car.
[05:06:10] <zeeshan> looks like low 12's at 112 mph
[05:06:18] <zeeshan> so fak, it definitely has serious power
[05:06:29] <zeeshan> for a stock car that is sweet
[05:06:39] <PetefromTn_> its a big car too
[05:06:45] <os1r1s> 4600 lbs
[05:06:45] <zeeshan> yea like 4500lb!
[05:06:45] <PetefromTn_> very roomy inside
[05:06:52] * XXCoder love tiny cars.
[05:06:55] <zeeshan> but guess what
[05:07:02] <zeeshan> otehr than it having toxic batteries
[05:07:06] <PetefromTn_> faster than a lot of high performance cars
[05:07:07] <zeeshan> its a lot better for the env :)
[05:07:15] <os1r1s> I bought it in Nashville, drove to ATL to have stuff installed, and drove back to Mem. All in a weekend
[05:07:27] <zeeshan> os1r1s: how long does it take it charge it to full charge
[05:07:28] <zeeshan> from empty
[05:07:30] <os1r1s> zeeshan I didn't buy it to save the world
[05:07:36] <os1r1s> 3.5 hours
[05:07:45] <zeeshan> not bad
[05:07:47] <XXCoder> zeeshan: I read that one guy had repaired telsa battery bank by replacing cells
[05:07:52] <XXCoder> vastly cheaper
[05:08:03] <XXCoder> its ALWAYS few cells that die, not entire battery.
[05:08:05] <zeeshan> os1r1s: then you bought the wrong car :p
[05:08:34] <os1r1s> zeeshan ahah
[05:08:44] <PetefromTn_> I honestly think at some point they are going to make the batteries much better and cheaper/lighter and then we will all probably be driving electric
[05:08:45] <zeeshan> those zr1's are nice
[05:08:57] <os1r1s> zeeshan It costs me about $19 a month compared to $300 for my truck
[05:09:11] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: 300 miles and recharge station often enough is two requirements
[05:09:16] <os1r1s> Not that it pays for the car, but its a great bonus
[05:09:19] <PetefromTn_> perhaps some capacitor banks or something too
[05:09:20] <zeeshan> nice
[05:09:41] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i aint ever driving a pure electric for my race car!
[05:09:44] <zeeshan> hybrid yes
[05:09:45] <PetefromTn_> there are lots of stations around here actually
[05:09:47] <zeeshan> but not pure :P
[05:10:03] <PetefromTn_> shit there are MANY sick fast pure electric race cars now
[05:10:21] <SpeedEvil> For several minutes, it's trivial
[05:10:23] <XXCoder> not between cities
[05:10:23] <zeeshan> the mclaren p1 is perfection
[05:10:33] <XXCoder> probably die before reach city and recharge
[05:10:34] <zeeshan> uses electric for its low and
[05:10:34] <SpeedEvil> > that, and you care about mass ratio a lot
[05:10:37] <zeeshan> and gasoline for high end :)
[05:10:48] <zeeshan> *end
[05:11:40] <PetefromTn_> any of you guys have a GOOD Cheap sports video camera like a Gopro but cheaper?
[05:11:56] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ For a car, or helmet, or what?
[05:12:23] <PetefromTn_> anything really... a sports camera, waterproof, etc.
[05:12:49] <PetefromTn_> I was looking at the GeekPro and the Kodak models are reasonable and pretty damn good
[05:13:31] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: cheap android ohone in waterproof case heh
[05:13:47] <PetefromTn_> naah
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[05:14:29] <PetefromTn_> there are several different Gopro Alternatives that are lightweight, waterproof,shockproof, and cheap. Just wondering if any of you guys had one you liked.
[05:19:06] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ I have a VIO POV that worked well. Not quite as convenient as a gopro though
[05:19:30] <os1r1s> You can find old ones on ebay
[05:20:32] <PetefromTn_> I like that Koday SPD or whatever its called
[05:21:19] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgN-MWL793Y
[05:24:17] <PetefromTn_> Well Gn8 folks
[05:24:52] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ Night Pete
[05:25:03] <PetefromTn_> :D
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[05:43:28] <Flipp_> hey all, quick supernoob question about using a manual (i.e. non-cnc) lathe
[05:43:45] <ReadError> hey me too
[05:43:52] <Flipp_> if you have a turret full of different tools, how do you find the X axis zero for each?
[05:43:53] <ReadError> endmill as boring bar okay?
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[05:44:38] <cradek> on a manual lathe you usually make a cut, measure it, then work relative to that using the dial on the cross slide
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[05:45:18] <cradek> ReadError: sure, if part of it is in the way, just grind it off
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[05:45:34] <cradek> you can bore with just about anything
[05:46:32] <ReadError> yea, need to do smaller holes (6.35mm) seems tooling is pretty limited around that size
[05:47:30] <cradek> yeah if you don't care to buy a real boring bar, try a 1/4 two flute end mill with one flute ground off a bit
[05:47:51] <cradek> very carefully get the remaining point on the centerline
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[05:49:04] <os1r1s> cradek Would you say the same thing on a CNC mill? That a boring bar is more appropriate than a circular pattern with an endmill?
[05:49:15] <os1r1s> Curious ...
[05:49:55] <ReadError> worried about alignment doing it on the mill
[06:03:44] <cradek> sometimes a boring head is the appropriate tool to use on a cnc (or manual) mill
[06:04:32] <cradek> a boring head makes rounder holes than probably any other method
[06:04:54] <os1r1s> cradek Very interesting
[06:05:01] <XXCoder> isnt there lapping
[06:05:06] <cradek> roughing with helical interpolation with an endmill and then finishing with a boring head is a useful technique if you need the hole to be round
[06:05:10] <XXCoder> which seems to make real smooth holes
[06:08:18] <Flipp_> cradek: makes sense. What about on a CNC then? I guess you have to find out tool offsets somehow?
[06:10:25] <archivist> other method, mount on a rotary table use an end mill but dont interpolate xy, rotate the table
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[06:11:41] <zeeshan> archivist: i wish you were around earlier
[06:11:48] <zeeshan> i wa slooking for precision hex keys
[06:12:02] <zeeshan> ended up getting some wiha ones
[06:12:32] <archivist> never heard of that make
[06:12:38] <zeeshan> german
[06:12:46] <archivist> wera ?
[06:12:52] <ReadError> for smaller ones, MIPS are great
[06:12:58] <zeeshan> on wiha
[06:12:59] <zeeshan> *no
[06:13:00] <zeeshan> wiha
[06:13:50] <zeeshan> http://www.wihatools.ca/precision-tech-sets/954-hex-metric-technicians-precision-7-piece-set.html
[06:13:52] <zeeshan> those
[06:15:11] <archivist> expensive
[06:15:27] <zeeshan> they were 22 bux on ebay
[06:18:34] <zeeshan> do you know of a good brand
[06:18:39] <zeeshan> that make these sort of tools
[06:18:47] <os1r1s> zeeshan I like wiha fwiw
[06:18:53] <archivist> I tend to use any I can find :)
[06:18:53] <zeeshan> os1r1s: awesome!
[06:18:58] <zeeshan> its their first tool im buying
[06:19:01] <zeeshan> ive heard of wera
[06:19:06] <zeeshan> but icouldnmt find the correct sizes by wera
[06:19:08] <os1r1s> zeeshan I have about 10-20 of their drivers
[06:19:35] <archivist> local tool merchant has wera
[06:20:06] <ReadError> zeeshan http://miponline.com/store/mip9007.html
[06:20:24] <ReadError> the way these are shapped and sized, great for removing stripped screws etc
[06:20:34] <ReadError> ive never had them round a screw
[06:21:23] <zeeshan> looks nice
[06:21:26] <zeeshan> expensive though! :D
[06:21:30] <zeeshan> for the set
[06:22:36] <archivist> I have some xacto hex for english sizes
[06:23:20] <zeeshan> im repairing some dial calipers
[06:23:32] <zeeshan> mitutoyo use some tiny hex
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[06:27:52] <archivist> I repaired a bore gauge the other day, it needed a session in the ultrasonic to get rid of the sticky oil
[06:28:13] <renesis> is the nurburgring still open?
[06:28:23] <zeeshan> nice
[06:28:36] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2015/2015_12_21_Baty_bore_gauge/img_2019.jpg
[06:29:33] <zeeshan> very nice
[06:29:54] <renesis> http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/18/nurburgring-speed-limits-lifted-2016/
[06:30:00] <renesis> they gonna flat the bumps
[06:36:44] <os1r1s> w00t. Servos, servo drivers, and vise ordered. Mill and ballscrew kit still being worked through ...
[06:37:53] <zeeshan> os1r1s: pics of what youre working on? :D
[06:38:18] <os1r1s> zeeshan Nothing yet. I am just getting it ordered
[06:38:28] <zeeshan> ah
[06:38:47] <os1r1s> zeeshan Though I do have to get my toolchanger on my Taig working with linuxcnc
[06:39:04] <zeeshan> nice
[06:39:06] <zeeshan> what kind of atc
[06:39:10] <ReadError> you got a toolchanger on the taig?
[06:39:14] <zeeshan> or you mean manual tool change
[06:39:35] <os1r1s> zeeshan Homegrown ATC
[06:39:41] <zeeshan> this i gotta see :D
[06:40:09] <os1r1s> zeeshan The spindle side is done. The part that holds the tools I am scrapping and redoing
[06:40:20] <os1r1s> But now I have linuxcnc controlling the release of the toolholder
[06:40:25] <os1r1s> From the spndle :)
[06:40:28] <zeeshan> nice
[06:40:29] <os1r1s> Which was a big accomplishment
[06:40:42] <zeeshan> pnuematic?
[06:40:47] <os1r1s> yes
[06:41:50] <os1r1s> zeeshan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOKeW9JOs_A
[06:42:21] <zeeshan> bad ass
[06:42:24] <os1r1s> Its on the machine now, but that is it working
[06:42:34] <zeeshan> i wish i setup my tool changer like industrial machines
[06:42:42] <zeeshan> one button keeps the tool holder clamped
[06:42:49] <zeeshan> another keeps it unclamped
[06:42:51] <os1r1s> I put a sherline motor on it because changing the belts sucks
[06:43:03] <zeeshan> i currently have to hold the button to unclamp, but asap i let go of button it clamps
[06:43:13] <zeeshan> i thought it'd be safer, but it also means i can only use one hand to change tools :(
[06:43:27] <os1r1s> On that big ass mill you have?
[06:43:29] <zeeshan> yes
[06:43:41] <os1r1s> I'm surprised thats even possible
[06:43:46] <os1r1s> Don't the toolholders weight 20 lbs
[06:43:53] <zeeshan> no
[06:43:55] <zeeshan> like 10 maybe
[06:44:08] <zeeshan> i usually take the tool im going to change, put it on the table
[06:44:14] <zeeshan> then press the button and swap w/ one hand
[06:44:18] <zeeshan> but its very inconvienient
[06:44:37] <zeeshan> the prob with industrial setup is this
[06:44:55] <zeeshan> if you press the unclamp button while the spindle is not running, itll ignore the tool change request
[06:45:06] <zeeshan> and if the spindle stops, it still wont release..
[06:45:27] <zeeshan> i initially thought it'd just drop asap the spindle stopped
[06:45:28] <zeeshan> but i was wrong
[06:45:46] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGOzQ8vXHwg
[06:45:51] <zeeshan> made a video about mine
[06:49:38] <os1r1s> That thing is huge
[06:50:01] <zeeshan> is your logic for the tool change similar?
[06:50:45] <zeeshan> if machine status on && spindle not spinning && tool change request is true && program is stopped
[06:50:48] <zeeshan> allow release of tool
[06:52:08] <os1r1s> Mine is completely under my control
[06:52:17] <os1r1s> I control the tool release and the spindle stop
[06:52:30] <zeeshan> if the spindle is running
[06:52:30] <os1r1s> I could release the tool while spinning if I did something poorly
[06:52:33] <zeeshan> and you press the button accidently
[06:52:35] <zeeshan> will it come out?
[06:52:36] <zeeshan> ah
[06:53:02] <zeeshan> im kinda glad i tied it into spindle feedback
[06:53:07] <zeeshan> cause once my tool was about to crash
[06:53:11] <zeeshan> and my estop is near the tool change
[06:53:17] <zeeshan> and i for some reease pressed the tool change
[06:53:19] <zeeshan> instead of the e-stop
[06:53:19] <zeeshan> haha
[06:53:25] <zeeshan> panic
[06:53:52] <zeeshan> reease = reason
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[07:47:09] <chupacabra> so i hook my chinese 3040t mill up turn on linuxcnc and grab the stepconf file and then run stepconf to get all the hal and other files?
[07:50:31] <chupacabra> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/stepconf.html following this?
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[08:03:48] <technoid> ok this is wayyy off topic here but you guys are smart
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[08:04:48] <technoid> you don't put quotes on a reinterpretation or paraphrase because theirs no one who actually said it, right?
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[08:10:38] <Deejay> moin
[08:11:29] <pink_vampire> hii everyone
[08:11:41] <pink_vampire> morning Deejay
[08:11:48] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[08:11:52] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/bsnfthM.png
[08:12:08] <Deejay> hi pink_vampire and XXCoder
[08:12:25] <pink_vampire> hi XXCoder
[08:12:29] <XXCoder> you setu the display?
[08:12:35] <Deejay> nice
[08:12:43] <pink_vampire> yes, is the temp monitor
[08:12:43] <XXCoder> *setup
[08:12:46] <XXCoder> nice!
[08:13:14] <pink_vampire> but now it's work on the nano, and the onw wire sensors give me hard time..
[08:13:46] <pink_vampire> so.. I need to get arduino mega and work with analog sensors..
[08:14:20] <pink_vampire> I hope it will be easy to convert the code from the nano to the mega.
[08:15:56] <pink_vampire> now I need to work on the vibration monitor..
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[09:25:40] <archivist> chupacabra, stepconf creates the hal and ini files, if you want to set up that way
[09:27:42] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: well youre succeeding far more than I do lool
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[09:29:33] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you just need to do it..
[09:29:47] <XXCoder> yeah hard to do at this time
[09:29:56] <XXCoder> damn I used too much of superhot sauce lol
[09:35:23] <Deejay> :)
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[09:41:07] <XXCoder> whew
[09:41:19] <XXCoder> so glad I didn't add hot sauce to all 3 heh
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[11:16:32] <jthornton> morning
[11:17:28] <XXCoder> yo
[11:18:31] <XXCoder> wow
[11:18:40] <XXCoder> there is so many "micro computers" clones now
[11:18:43] <XXCoder> on kickstarter
[11:19:24] <renesis> is the new great big thing
[11:19:33] <renesis> catch the people feel like they missed out on the last ones
[11:19:42] <XXCoder> apparently. I played with my CHiP, and damn it is awesome
[11:19:56] <XXCoder> its decent stat computer in tiny smaller than credit card size
[11:20:04] <XXCoder> with pinouts even so can add stuff
[11:20:21] <XXCoder> it can be cnc controller, it has enoughpinouts.
[11:26:05] <pink_vampire> you don't need strong graphic cartd for the cnc controler?
[11:26:24] <XXCoder> dont think so, no
[11:26:38] <XXCoder> could be wrong though
[11:28:15] <pink_vampire> for 3d machining..
[11:29:09] <renesis> its opengl, you dont even need a modern gpu
[11:29:20] <renesis> you need a decent gpu for 3d cad
[11:29:30] <renesis> and a workstation gpu if you want to do rendering
[11:29:46] <renesis> not for a controller tho
[11:30:41] <renesis> also you dont need to run 3d ui in linuxcnc
[11:30:58] <pink_vampire> gt9400?
[11:31:02] <renesis> ive never tried or seen it but you can prob run the shit headless over a terminal
[11:31:56] <renesis> pink_vampire: thats a gaming gpu
[11:32:16] <pink_vampire> very old one..
[11:32:24] <pink_vampire> 16 cuda cores..
[11:32:24] <chupacabra> archivist, I'm figuring it iut slowley.
[11:32:45] <XXCoder> my pc that runs linuxcnc was a midrange gpu.... 9 years ago
[11:32:56] <XXCoder> it works fine.
[11:33:25] <pink_vampire> I'm with mach3 :(
[11:33:49] <chupacabra> https://github.com/jieter/linuxcnc-config Looking at this page and I think my machine has no end stops. Erroring on the mainline branch.
[11:34:20] <renesis> you can prob do like inten integrated graphics from 10 years ago
[11:34:24] <renesis> *intel
[11:34:28] <renesis> http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-desktop-gpus.html
[11:34:33] <renesis> pink_vampire: more like those ^
[11:34:50] <chupacabra> whining about limit switches and I cant find any.
[11:35:24] <pink_vampire> what is the diff between the gaming the desktop?
[11:35:29] <archivist> chupacabra, I have managed without limit or homing switches for years
[11:36:15] <renesis> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133586
[11:36:24] <chupacabra> yup. seems like a plan. as an old school machinist it just seems impossible to me.
[11:36:34] <renesis> i dont think high end gaming gpu are $5k
[11:36:47] <XXCoder> why need high end gpu anyway
[11:36:59] <renesis> pink_vampire: gaming gpu are made for realtime rendering
[11:37:02] <pink_vampire> renesis: thereis better one
[11:37:07] <pink_vampire> tesla K80
[11:37:11] <renesis> and game specific optimization and effects
[11:37:18] <chupacabra> archivist, so i could just pull the hal and ini files and be good to go?
[11:37:27] <renesis> workstation gpu are just about lots of parallel processing power
[11:37:39] <renesis> render something in a day instead of a week
[11:39:17] <archivist> chupacabra, as long as you home correctly and have set the axis limits linuxcnc will catch attempts to go too far
[11:39:21] <chupacabra> should I pull all the files from that directory?
[11:39:22] <pink_vampire> FUCK
[11:39:35] <renesis> OMG?!
[11:39:44] <archivist> pull means little in this context
[11:40:35] <chupacabra> it wont home because of limit switch errors. when i block that code in the ini it hits the end and vibrates.
[11:41:09] <chupacabra> pull from github
[11:43:50] <archivist> I assume that is someone else's config
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[11:44:13] <chupa3040t> yessir
[11:44:58] <archivist> then you will have to edit out what you dont have or need
[11:45:52] <archivist> creating a new one with stepconf may be better, look at what that outputs and compare
[11:46:04] <pink_vampire> I'm back..
[11:46:51] <chupa3040t> can one home during stepconfig? I drove around but saw no hoome button.
[11:47:37] <archivist> stepconf does not home
[11:47:47] <chupa3040t> k
[11:47:47] <archivist> nor should it
[11:48:02] <chupa3040t> i get that.
[11:48:25] <chupa3040t> How does it home with no limit switch?
[11:49:00] <archivist> you jog to home and click the axis home button for that axis
[11:49:01] <chupa3040t> i see no hall effect or anything.
[11:49:21] <archivist> so it is manual not automatic
[11:49:26] <chupa3040t> jog till it buzzes?
[11:49:50] <archivist> can do, or close to 0
[11:50:07] <chupa3040t> ok I try that.
[11:51:01] <chupa3040t> You been lots of help. Thanks. got to go to bed now though. Yall have fun.
[11:51:30] <archivist> but its mid day
[11:51:56] <chupa3040t> 5:51 am here
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[11:54:36] <pink_vampire> am
[11:54:37] <chupa3040t> the no stop .ini file has no mention of limit switches like the other branch does.
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[13:18:22] <archivist> a thickness meter with the following test index d'avoyage, pierre-pertuis, Schrankmesslehra
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[13:18:48] <archivist> french/germam/swiss ? and measuring what
[13:19:56] <archivist> measures up to about 1.4mm
[13:23:36] <Jymmm> archivist: Any thoughts on that wood stove water loop by chance?
[13:26:46] <archivist> looks a bit junk as someone else noticed, no attempt to improve heat conduction
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[13:27:13] <pink_vampire> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13718
[13:27:27] <pink_vampire> 1000$..
[13:27:41] <pink_vampire> junk
[13:31:30] <malcom2073> yeah shapeoko isn't great
[13:31:40] <malcom2073> It does light engaving ok though I hear
[13:36:01] <Jymmm> archivist: You think something like this would be more beneficial? Any additional risks? http://beta.antiquestoves.us/img/p/1/6/3/163-large_default.jpg
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[14:13:14] <archivist> Jymmm, the main risk is the user
[14:13:51] <archivist> and no visible safety valve
[14:14:35] <archivist> and no attempt at knowing about gravity and water
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[14:50:54] <JT-Shop> 57°F and 37%RH in the shop this morning
[14:51:43] <archivist> dunno why you rh is so low, I am above 70% rh
[14:53:13] <archivist> 11 deg c indoors
[15:00:04] <JT-Shop> yea outside is 0°C and 73%
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[15:10:14] <enleth> it's suddenly -15C over here
[15:10:32] <enleth> fortunately there's a server rack heating my workshop
[15:10:58] <enleth> it's pumping out more heat than the central heating at the moment
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[15:47:04] <archivist> my single server and monitor dont waste enough to heat properly :(
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[16:02:32] <bobo__> PetefromTn is this the year that the mills tool changer will be working?
[16:03:03] <PetefromTn_> no idea man why?
[16:03:23] <PetefromTn_> I sure as hell hope it is the year I sell this house tho...
[16:04:18] <zeeshan> lol
[16:04:32] <zeeshan> bobo and his comments :P
[16:04:49] <bobo__> cause i'am getting older, and that is on the list to cheer for
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[16:06:40] <tjtr33> nice vismach 5 axis https://youtu.be/1JzuyvvDWzc
[16:06:46] <bobo__> zeeshan anything new with the Deckel that also has a tool changer ?
[16:07:32] <zeeshan> nice tjtr33
[16:07:36] <zeeshan> deckel nah :P
[16:07:39] <zeeshan> been working on other things
[16:09:33] <chupa3040t> tool changing aint trivial
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[16:13:50] <tjtr33> that video is a 7 joint tool but he uses only 5axis
[16:13:51] <tjtr33> smart for the job at hand but annoying to see a nice AB head used A only
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[16:15:28] <zeeshan> bobo__: ive been thinking about ways to make it so the vertical head can rotate on the mikron
[16:15:36] <zeeshan> :P
[16:15:52] <Jymmm> archivist: 1) there was an overpressure valve on the tank (I forget the real name of those), 2) What do you mean "gravity and water", in that instance, wasn't it based upon "heat rises" alone?
[16:16:03] <zeeshan> but i think a trunion table would be easier
[16:17:19] <archivist> I want a trunnion table too
[16:17:20] <bobo__> you mean rotate under power i assume
[16:19:06] <bobo__> trunion table might be stiffer
[16:19:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah well right now my goal is to get my shop straightened out and organized so I can get back to doing the CNC lathe build
[16:19:31] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: you need a CNC shop-organiser bot
[16:19:44] <SpeedEvil> 5 axis, can pick up and move mills.
[16:20:11] <zeeshan> lathe is priority for this year for me as well
[16:20:12] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Step one: Toss everything in dumpster. Step Two: See step one.
[16:20:14] * SpeedEvil imagines the 'armoury' scene from matrix 1, but with machine tools.
[16:20:17] <zeeshan> but im still finishing up the rx7 first
[16:20:22] <zeeshan> did so much wiring over the last couple of weeks
[16:20:33] <zeeshan> mazda does some funny things with their wires
[16:20:55] <PetefromTn_> Jymm actually I tossed everything out in the driveway ;)
[16:21:06] <PetefromTn_> then I post a craigslist FREE ad
[16:21:13] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: <--- Such a (machine) geek =)
[16:21:14] <PetefromTn_> and the people come haul it all away for FREE
[16:21:15] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: Get to the point you kind-of-want to tear out all the wiring harness and replace it?
[16:21:26] <PetefromTn_> I love that
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[16:21:41] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: See, now you got to get the marshmellows and have a driveway bond fire =)
[16:22:07] <PetefromTn_> actually we have a burn pit out back of the house we burn a lot of spare wood and firewood in.
[16:22:16] <PetefromTn_> The shop right now is ALMOST where I want it.
[16:22:34] <PetefromTn_> I have a huge load of shit in my Van right now I am going to take to the dump this morning
[16:22:36] <bobo__> florida?
[16:23:08] <PetefromTn_> then probably another load and I will be just moving some stuff around and back to the wiring of the CNC lathe
[16:23:15] <PetefromTn_> I wish it was in florida
[16:23:33] <PetefromTn_> you sure love to rub shit in dontcha bobo ;)
[16:24:07] <bobo__> it's not a rub it in
[16:24:08] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Then you'll need a bigger bbq for the alligators =)
[16:24:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah hehe I can't WAIT to kayak fish some places down there in our new Fishing Kayaks. We went out twice in them now and it sure as hell is lots of fun.
[16:25:05] <PetefromTn_> You can really get to the hard to reach places easily and quietly
[16:25:21] <PetefromTn_> Have you ever had alligator tail?
[16:25:27] <Jymmm> Too bad a fishing license is like $65
[16:25:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah its bullshit huh
[16:25:47] <PetefromTn_> our licenses here are like $39.00
[16:26:06] <Jymmm> I mean $15-$20 sure I get it, but $65?!
[16:26:06] <PetefromTn_> and then they have all sorts of stamps you have to buy for particular species.
[16:26:18] <PetefromTn_> is that a local or out of state license?
[16:26:25] <Jymmm> local
[16:26:48] <PetefromTn_> when I grew up down there there was no such thing as a fishing license unless you fished fresh water
[16:27:09] <PetefromTn_> and when you can catch snook, snapper, grouper, and Mahi nobody I knew fished fresh water LOL
[16:28:07] <Jymmm> Ok, $46 local / $127 out-of-state
[16:28:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah they sure love to stick it to vacationers
[16:28:53] <bobo__> so now it's salt water license too in florida?
[16:29:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think so
[16:29:25] <Jymmm> Ocean add $5, 3nd rod add $15, abalone add $23 Strugeon add $8
[16:29:31] <Jymmm> 2nd*
[16:29:37] <PetefromTn_> when we went on vacation this past year we were in Port St. Lucie/Jensen beach area and we bought temporary licenses
[16:29:41] <PetefromTn_> I remember it was not cheap
[16:31:20] <Jymmm> Heh, they have lifetime licenses, but it's based upon your age! lol
[16:31:21] <PetefromTn_> at least down there if you go fishing you can catch a bunch of good eating fish like Mahi and Kingfish and snapper, and grouper etc etc etc so it is worth the price
[16:31:47] <PetefromTn_> you would pay for the license pretty quick in seafood LOL
[16:32:15] <tjtr33> isnt it free for over 65 ( some age )?
[16:32:18] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: My question is this... If you toss a m80 into a pond/lake, is it considered fishing and do you still need a license?
[16:32:38] <PetefromTn_> there is so much delicious fish down there let alone crabbing and clamming and oysters etc you can harvest if you have the right licence and know how to do it
[16:32:56] <PetefromTn_> I am sure that is frowned upon like everything else cool ;)
[16:33:09] <Jymmm> tjtr33: oh hell no... if you are blind or low incoe indian it's free, must be verified for both
[16:33:40] <Jymmm> tjtr33: https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Licensing/Fishing
[16:33:47] <tjtr33> or old enuf to not give a damn
[16:33:52] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say I can really get into this kayak fishing tho
[16:34:01] <PetefromTn_> these new fishing kayaks are SWEET
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[16:34:14] <PetefromTn_> they have all sorts of rod holders and tackle box storage
[16:34:25] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: m80 launchers?
[16:34:26] <PetefromTn_> you can stand up in them too if you have decent balance
[16:34:38] <PetefromTn_> hehe yeah I guess it could be a launcher
[16:34:45] <PetefromTn_> they even call them rocket launchers LOL
[16:35:01] <Jymmm> nono, then the ATF get involved
[16:35:13] <Jymmm> or NSA or FBI
[16:35:32] <PetefromTn_> http://destinkayakrentals.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/vibe-sea-ghost-130-kayak-724x360.jpg this is just like the one I got for me and Dacia
[16:35:34] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: "$127 out-of-state" is that in Ca?
[16:35:36] <tjtr33> rocket lawn chairs
[16:35:43] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: yeah
[16:36:26] <PetefromTn_> it actually has four rod holders and a nice center console that has rulers in metric and SAE for measuring your fish as well as tons of little pockets and dry storage areas
[16:37:17] <PetefromTn_> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-N-TX-HHH968/VbO0tkiAWXI/AAAAAAAAEG0/6VsxxO_Y0rc/s1600/DSC_0026%255B1%255D.JPG heres one well equipped
[16:38:49] <tjtr33> haha trolling motor depth finder outrigger pole holders
[16:39:08] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah man some people even put some neat sails on them
[16:39:17] <PetefromTn_> they are like your own personal fishing machine
[16:39:38] <PetefromTn_> they are also quite stable in the water and easy to paddle
[16:40:18] <bobo__> so you can make Tons of machined things for all of those , and sell em
[16:40:21] <PetefromTn_> people put fish finders, GPS, downriggers, trolling motors, lights and batteries, even laptops etc etc on them. They go a little nutz
[16:40:23] <tjtr33> tube fishin..cheap, free beer cooler :-) swim fin powered, but a bit spinny with larger fish on line
[16:40:33] <PetefromTn_> bobo__ you read my mind man!!
[16:41:06] <PetefromTn_> tjtr33 actually there are people who purposely go out offshore and try to catch monster fish off of these things.
[16:41:10] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: dronecraft carrier
[16:41:25] <PetefromTn_> Sailfish, marlin, huge tuna, bull dolphin etc etc.
[16:41:28] <PetefromTn_> big sharks
[16:41:45] <PetefromTn_> they call it a Florida magic carpet ride LOL
[16:41:53] <tjtr33> the new revised old man and the sea... dragged to cuba by a silver tuna
[16:42:13] <PetefromTn_> pretty much.. it looks like TONS of fun
[16:42:50] <PetefromTn_> we are planning to build a nice trailer to hold all four and take our Vacation down in Florida again this year and I would love to hook into a big kind mackerel or something with it.
[16:43:13] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Somehow I get the impression that you HATE fishing ;)
[16:43:57] <PetefromTn_> ya think? I LOVE fishing man but freshwater fishing is pretty boring from what I have seen
[16:44:07] <Jymmm> =)
[16:44:11] <PetefromTn_> another reason I gotta sell this house and move back to Florida.
[16:44:24] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_, i stumbled on this 'straw shrimp' yesterday. its not soem shrimp that lives in something like straw. its a fishing lure made from soda straws
[16:44:26] <tjtr33> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwE5tzbwKSs
[16:45:16] <PetefromTn_> WOW that is amazing!!
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[16:49:47] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: how is the weather there?
[16:50:16] <CaptHindsight> warm again with scattered mosquitoes? :)
[16:51:22] <Jymmm> Nah, they're concetrated
[16:52:17] <tjtr33> cool by local standards, i dont even have the ac on. might get down to 75 tonight.
[16:53:24] <tjtr33> very few bugs seen in last 2 months. yeah some mozzies and flies and spiders
[16:53:24] <tjtr33> but no more than Chicago summertime, heck less!
[16:55:19] <tjtr33> i'm trying to import that 300amp generator now. claiming it as 'household effects'
[16:55:34] <tjtr33> which it really is, i just got a weird household
[16:55:59] <Jymmm> tjtr33: 300A?
[16:56:14] <tjtr33> oh happynew year all, sawaatdii pi mai!
[16:56:17] <archivist> a generator in the garden is normal.....for geeks
[16:56:41] <tjtr33> Jymmm, 300amp 100Vdc edm supply with heidehnain 5 axis control
[16:56:49] <tjtr33> a toy to play with
[16:56:50] <Jymmm> tjtr33: AH
[16:57:10] <Jymmm> tjtr33: that straw lure is VERY impressive
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[16:57:46] <tjtr33> yeah Imma gonna find some straws
[16:58:09] <tjtr33> and then goto Rayong for cuttlefish
[16:58:36] <tjtr33> midnight here, gnite all ;-)
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[16:59:27] <Jymmm> lol, I thik John got bandwidth again (beginning of the month) =)
[17:01:35] <CaptHindsight> I don't think he has enough neighbors to start a mesh or relay network
[17:02:11] <Jymmm> I thought there were hills in the way
[17:02:46] <CaptHindsight> maybe that to
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[17:07:18] <PetefromTn_> man that is the most realistic fake shrimp I ever saw LOL
[17:07:24] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_ Are you stll anodizing?
[17:07:32] <PetefromTn_> a little
[17:07:49] <PetefromTn_> if I have more than a few I just take it to knoxvegas and let them do it
[17:07:58] <os1r1s> I'm dissasembling mine
[17:07:58] <PetefromTn_> but if I just have one or three I do it here
[17:08:17] <os1r1s> I took mine apart and have an amazing growth of crystals
[17:09:28] <PetefromTn_> WoW well gotta head to the dump now and get some work done here today. Later folks
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[17:11:01] <os1r1s> Here is a pic ... pretty crazy ... https://www.dropbox.com/s/el2qylfnnq97kha/anogrowth.jpg
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[17:17:30] <ReadError> when modifying an endmill for boring on lathe
[17:17:44] <ReadError> is it the cutting side past the tip i need to grind down?
[17:20:29] <Jymmm> os1r1s: what is that, and what are those "balls" in the back?
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[17:20:42] <os1r1s> Jymmm That is my anodizing tank
[17:20:47] <os1r1s> Its an acid mix
[17:20:57] <os1r1s> The balls keep the fizzing down when anodizing
[17:21:12] <Jymmm> the red thing is a heater?
[17:21:23] <os1r1s> Cooler/Heater
[17:21:30] <os1r1s> Its a titanium coil exchange
[17:21:34] <zeeshan> ReadError: why do you have to modify it
[17:21:36] <Jymmm> ah
[17:21:39] <zeeshan> just plunge straight in with the end mill
[17:21:39] <zeeshan> :P
[17:21:41] <os1r1s> So I pump chilled coolant through it
[17:21:44] <os1r1s> To keep it consistant
[17:21:45] <zeeshan> or are you trying to extend how deep it can go
[17:21:49] <os1r1s> consistent
[17:22:07] <ReadError> zeeshan, yea i need to do that too
[17:22:21] <ReadError> cradek mentioned grinding something on it
[17:22:23] <zeeshan> buy a boring bar!
[17:22:25] <zeeshan> cheapie
[17:22:26] <zeeshan> :P
[17:22:32] <ReadError> zeeshan, they dont make them my size
[17:22:41] <ReadError> 5->6.35mm
[17:22:47] <ReadError> all the ones ive seen are much larger
[17:22:56] <zeeshan> you can buy em small
[17:23:05] <zeeshan> andypugh gave me a link for em a while back
[17:23:09] <ReadError> not on amazon ;(
[17:23:12] <zeeshan> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/Fighter1/PA020424.jpg
[17:23:17] <zeeshan> youre basically trying to make it look like that
[17:23:21] <ReadError> I justneed it for 1 task
[17:23:23] <zeeshan> the shape of it
[17:23:35] <zeeshan> http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc210/ian-new/boring%20bar/plan2.jpg
[17:24:24] <ReadError> got a box of old 1/8" endmills to practice on I suppose
[17:24:49] <zeeshan> the most important angle is the side rake
[17:24:53] <zeeshan> and side rake clearance
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[19:18:17] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/oZaYEpO.png
[19:18:24] <zeeshan> slowling this thing is coming together
[19:22:55] <os1r1s> zeeshan What is it?
[19:23:25] <zeeshan> this guy is making a sculpture
[19:23:35] <zeeshan> and retrofitting a water dispenser in it
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[20:19:47] <Duc> PetefromTn_: anything good your throwing out?
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[21:16:30] <Jymmm> Duc: Too slow man, I already got the Y-Flux capacitor!!!
[21:19:05] <Duc> LOL
[21:19:17] <renesis> as opposed to X-Flux?
[21:19:23] <Duc> Im always down for free tools
[21:19:37] <Duc> Ill take the lathe off his hands since he will never finish it
[21:20:12] <renesis> speaking of never finishing, i should do laundry and pack
[21:20:46] <Jymmm> Duc: Oh, PetefromTn_ is Definitely a tool ;)
[21:21:00] <Jymmm> renesis: where ya going?
[21:21:10] <Jymmm> renesis: 15-30?
[21:22:57] <renesis> from 90 miles north of SAC, 99 to 5 to 156 to 101 to santa barbara for minute, then to LA
[21:23:48] <Jymmm> renesis: Where north of sac?
[21:23:59] <_methods> my nut sac
[21:24:11] <Jymmm> _methods: is on the mantel in a jar
[21:24:17] <renesis> chico, its like halfway to redding at the sierra foothills
[21:24:19] <_methods> hahah
[21:24:35] <Jymmm> renesis: how long you be in chico?
[21:24:40] <Jymmm> renesis: and why? lol
[21:24:52] <renesis> school, few more years
[21:25:05] <Jymmm> renesis: you'll be LIVING in chico?
[21:25:19] <renesis> i have been for like a year and a half
[21:25:48] <renesis> have a little hole on the edge of the frat district, 10 minute walk from classes
[21:26:03] <Jymmm> lol
[21:26:26] <Jymmm> renesis: So just off escalade ?
[21:26:39] <renesis> other side
[21:27:02] <renesis> closer to the tracks/walnut/nord, streets not the avenues
[21:27:13] <Jymmm> ah
[21:27:49] <Jymmm> Oh I hate that ave/street shit, not to mention the whole north/ south east ave/road crap
[21:27:52] <renesis> aves seem shady, exgf said stay away (she did grad school, taught here)
[21:28:03] <renesis> oh man its fucked before you understand it
[21:28:20] <renesis> i knew the area pretty well before i came up for school so not a big deal
[21:28:35] <Jymmm> ah ok
[21:29:27] <renesis> i think the craziest things are the 2 way yield signs instead of 4-way stop signs in the frat district
[21:29:45] <Jymmm> haha, I haven't seen that
[21:29:46] <renesis> like, legal cali roll
[21:30:16] <Jymmm> Yeah, I get it. probably exactly what it is. Cheaper than havng the road engineered
[21:30:19] <renesis> i guess its always been like that, its only south of campus
[21:30:36] <Jymmm> oh the older area?
[21:30:51] <Jymmm> maybe due to all the farming trucks at one time
[21:30:53] <renesis> theyre thinking about changing it, they ask me 'are you afraid of getting hit?' while im walking to school
[21:31:08] <renesis> i said it dont matter because i look before crossing because im not a drunk idiot kid
[21:31:16] <Duc> Stop sign wont stop drivers lol
[21:31:17] <renesis> but as a driver they should all be 4-ways
[21:31:39] <renesis> jymmm: haha that kinda makes sense
[21:31:53] <Jymmm> Yeah, the cops dont too kindly to the college students
[21:32:00] <renesis> duc: they tend to, its an expensive ticket
[21:32:18] <renesis> i look for cops before i cali roll (i have manual transmission so the urge is always there)
[21:32:49] <Duc> lol
[21:32:53] <Duc> how bad is the ticket
[21:32:53] <Jymmm> That was my VERY first ticket actually
[21:33:21] <Jymmm> I tend come to a complete stop now
[21:33:29] <renesis> i got one for cali rolling an offramp stop sign in agoura hills last year
[21:33:48] <Jymmm> sounds like a speed trap
[21:34:20] <renesis> theres an adjacent intersection thats kind of confusing that people blow through so i think he was babysitting that
[21:34:21] <Jymmm> renesis: how long you on xmas break till?
[21:34:31] <renesis> 3 more weeks
[21:34:47] <renesis> i go down score couple paychecks come back up
[21:34:55] <Jymmm> Dang, that's a long time for chico to be closed, isn't it?
[21:35:10] <renesis> they do a winter session
[21:35:27] <Jymmm> k
[21:35:31] <renesis> break is like mid december to late january
[21:35:45] <Jymmm> guess that's kinda cool then.
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[21:36:07] <Jymmm> hey, you going to LA you said?
[21:36:30] <renesis> yeah thats were jobby job is
[21:36:53] <Jymmm> Hmmm....
[21:37:13] <Jymmm> anyhere near Watts?
[21:37:25] <Jymmm> or compton?
[21:37:26] <renesis> no, complete opposite
[21:37:42] <renesis> valley, santa monica mountains
[21:37:56] <Jymmm> Tarzana!!!
[21:38:01] * Jymmm snickers
[21:38:02] <renesis> almost!
[21:38:25] <renesis> stay in canoga park, work in westlake village
[21:38:31] <Jymmm> Ok, I'll put together a shopping list =)
[21:38:43] <renesis> if i dont want to sit in traffic i can drive mulholland home
[21:38:55] <Jymmm> nice drive
[21:39:37] <renesis> ya, i try and do that from topanga to leo carillo beach every time im down there
[21:40:05] <renesis> and the topanga, saddle peak, stunt road, mullholland loop
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[21:43:49] <oyvindje> anyone using dewalt dwp611 for metalwork (alu/brass)?
[21:52:27] <Jymmm> renesis: I love leo carillo! Camped there and then slept on the beach, was awesome!
[21:54:40] <renesis> nice, scoring a leo campsight takes some planning
[21:54:57] <Jymmm> renesis: There was like 10-20 of us =)
[21:56:15] <Jymmm> renesis: What sucks is almost all LA Co beaches close at midnight or sooner
[21:57:02] <renesis> shrug, we just ignore that
[21:57:09] <Jymmm> and you dont want to sleep on the beach at Santa Monica pier =)
[21:57:24] <renesis> theres two little sections of PCH where the parking signs dont point too
[21:57:31] <renesis> at leo
[21:57:31] <Jymmm> nice
[21:57:41] <renesis> and a lot of other beaches you can park residential
[21:58:09] <renesis> like, we did el matador beach at 2am pretty consistent
[21:58:12] <Jymmm> There's a tony cove at Laguna Nigel that you can hae a fire on the beach all night long as long as you're quiet
[21:58:17] <Jymmm> tiny*
[21:58:24] <renesis> cool
[21:58:51] <renesis> when im in SB i got to the no-access beaches next to gaviota a lot
[21:59:10] <renesis> ones where you gotta hike in, climb down rocks, or boat in
[21:59:17] <Jymmm> I've only been to SB like once
[21:59:37] <renesis> i lived there for like two years, the beaches there kinda suck
[21:59:53] <Jymmm> haha, mayb thats why only once =)
[22:00:05] <renesis> but the beaches starting like 30 min north of SB, the gaviota coast, omfg amazing
[22:00:39] <renesis> 20 miles, undeveloped, jalama state beach in the middle of it
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[22:37:59] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:44:11] <Jymmm> renesis: undeveloped land, in california... ha! lol
[22:44:55] <renesis> because its privately owned, hollister ranch properties
[22:45:06] <Jymmm> oh
[22:45:10] <renesis> they wont give it to the state, they know theyll fuck it up
[22:45:17] <Jymmm> heh, yep
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[22:53:48] <andypugh> Home-made Trantorque-esque bush: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6235326554423637666
[22:59:07] <cradek> did you make all three?
[23:02:08] <Frank___2> andy, i see u are using 6i25, i was going to choose 5i25 for price and known problems/support, it has way more i/o right? would it go nicely with a 7i85s?
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[23:07:00] <andypugh> cradek: The sprocket is a stock part (Yamaha R1 camchain sprocket). I machined the internal taper.
[23:07:43] <andypugh> I cut the slits freehand with a Dremel cut-off disc, I am astonished how well they came out.
[23:08:22] <andypugh> Frank___2: Actually, I am using a 6i24.
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[23:10:43] <JT-Shop-> hmm plugged in the 7i77ISOL and now it errors out with 7i77 input xx does not exist
[23:11:03] <JT-Shop-> I moved W2 to up to provide 5v to the 7i77ISOL
[23:13:43] <PCW> you have to move both the FPGA card and 7I77 jumpers to get power to both sides of the 7I77ISOL
[23:14:41] <JT-Shop-> ok
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[23:15:28] <PCW> there are 2 yellow LEDs in the top of the isolator card, both need to be on
[23:15:37] <cradek> a dremel!? that's amazing.
[23:16:06] <PCW> also read the 7i77isol manual about muxed encoder HAL changes
[23:17:25] <JT-Shop-> I couldn't find the 7i77isol manual, let me look again
[23:17:30] <PCW> (the FPGA side of the isolater gets its power from the FPGA card, the 7I77 side gets it from 7I77 5V power so the 7I77 needs to be jumpered for cable power)
[23:17:43] <PCW> just google 7i77isol
[23:18:01] <JT-Shop-> I have the 7i77isol showing two yellow leds
[23:18:25] <JT-Shop-> got it
[23:18:53] <PCW> google is my ls
[23:19:19] <JT-Shop-> usually my googlefu is good
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[23:20:56] <PCW> beware that if you do not lower the mux rate you may find that even/odd encoders are swapped so be cautious unless you have small ferror settings
[23:21:23] <JT-Shop-> thanks, I'll make the changes in the morning... time to start the chili con carne
[23:21:43] <PCW> Sounds good
[23:22:13] <andypugh> cradek: I couldn’t think of a way to hold it to use a slitting saw, and decided that nobody would ever see it, and it would work regardless of how uneven the segments were. But when I finished I decided I would let people see it after all :-)
[23:22:51] <JT-Shop-> it's very good http://gnipsel.com/recipes/chili/chili-con-carne.html
[23:23:16] <andypugh> I was rather relieved to find that, after all the work, the new casting does fit on the lathe where it is meant to fit: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6235326855443990946
[23:23:46] <Frank___2> whats the diff between 5i24 and 6i24?
[23:24:27] <andypugh> Tomorrow I need to decide if the oil level sight glass goes in the front face (with a hole for it in the cover plate) or the right face.
[23:24:49] <andypugh> Frank___2: Normally 5ixx is PCI and 6ixx is PCIe
[23:25:09] <Frank___2> i was wondering if the casting of yours was made with a mold of yours
[23:25:11] <cradek> andypugh: I'm glad you share pictures of your projects
[23:25:15] <Frank___2> castings
[23:25:25] <Roguish> 5i24 and 6i24 use the same bit files, too.
[23:25:38] <andypugh> 5i24 is a 50-pin card, a whole separate family to the 25-pin cards. (24 IO per connector rather than 17)
[23:25:42] <Frank___2> so i guess i should choose depending my pc?
[23:26:03] <Tom_itx> probably so
[23:27:00] <andypugh> Frank___2: Yes, I made the patterns, it took weeks: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook#6216010324410212882
[23:27:28] <Frank___2> yeah i thought they were those
[23:27:33] <Frank___2> nice work
[23:27:49] <Frank___2> from that the sand negative right?
[23:28:03] <andypugh> I feel I should make several sets for all the other Holbrook Minor owners :-(
[23:28:10] <andypugh> :-) I mean
[23:28:24] <Jymmm> hey andypugh
[23:28:34] <bpuk> looks like you got a nice fit there - how much machining was needed from the raw casting?
[23:28:39] <Tom_itx> you could make them known that you have the molds
[23:28:57] <Frank___2> what about the 7I76E ? looks sweet
[23:29:16] <Tom_itx> is the E ethernet?
[23:29:31] <andypugh> I basically just needed to square-off the casting draft.
[23:29:34] <Frank___2> looks like,
[23:29:37] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: electric start
[23:30:10] <andypugh> Yes, 7i76E is ethernet connected. It needs to run with an RT-PREEMPT kernel rather than RTAI.
[23:30:11] <Frank___2> can it read ecnoders?
[23:30:34] <andypugh> Only one, I think.
[23:31:10] <Frank___2> yeah spindle i think
[23:31:24] <bpuk> looks like you got the patterns pretty much bob on then. Good work
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[23:34:08] <Jymmm> Ok, that's weird... RAR 284.6MB, Extracted 284.6MB
[23:34:26] <andypugh> Frank___2: If you wanted Ethernet + 7i77 you would need the 7i80 or 7i92
[23:36:35] <Frank___2> for atotal of 3 cards???
[23:37:19] <XXCoder> Jymmm: 0% compression pack I guess
[23:37:21] <andypugh> Lets start at the other end. What do you want to connect to?
[23:37:32] <XXCoder> that or it was 100% extropy so it couldnt compress more.
[23:38:11] <Frank___2> they are 4 servos 2 for x axis incremental encoders + 14pins for each driver
[23:38:19] <Frank___2> + the field limits etc
[23:38:44] <andypugh> step-dir or analogue?
[23:39:11] <Frank___2> Differential input; parameter-selectable (1) Positive/Negative 2) Phase A/Phase B 3)
[23:39:12] <Frank___2> Command/Direction)
[23:39:24] <Frank___2> i can choose i believe ?
[23:39:44] <andypugh> OK, so 7i85S sounds right.
[23:39:55] <Frank___2> and from what i've read comm/dir is the same as step/dir, but i would be holding back performance?
[23:40:09] <Frank___2> yes, with 5i24 or 25?
[23:40:39] <Frank___2> 24 will give me more i/o for the 14i/o drives
[23:41:04] <andypugh> Yes, but the 7i85 won’t connect to the 5i24
[23:41:09] <Frank___2> ouch
[23:41:46] <Frank___2> so expansion from 85s 74 i was thinking
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[23:42:12] <Frank___2> 7i85+7i74/7i77
[23:42:39] <andypugh> You might want the 5i24 + 7i34
[23:43:09] <Frank___2> lets see that one brb
[23:43:22] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Probably used as a container rather than compression
[23:44:41] <Frank___2> andy how can i make connections easy with that card?
[23:44:58] <Frank___2> looks like a pain in the butt? haha
[23:45:17] <andypugh> Maybe the 7i52S then?
[23:45:36] <andypugh> But the 7i34 is super-cheap :-)
[23:47:01] <zeeshan> YES HOT WATER
[23:47:26] <zeeshan> andypugh: why is analog ebtter than step/dir for servoa pp
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[23:50:06] <t12> warmer mids
[23:50:07] <t12> rimshop
[23:50:09] <Frank___2> the 52s may need an expansion for limits and others, same as 34, but as u say, its cheaper
[23:50:10] <t12> er rimshot
[23:50:11] <andypugh> Frank___2: The 50-pin headers are not too bad when you find these connectors that take discrete wire crimps: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/pcb-connector-housings/6812874/
[23:50:26] <andypugh> (despite the picture, thats’s a 2x12 part)
[23:51:21] <Frank___2> i see, nice option.
[23:51:26] <andypugh> zeeshan: I am not entirely sure that it is.
[23:51:46] <zeeshan> i was talking to someone here a little while ago and searched a lot
[23:52:02] <Frank___2> the rs-422 is compatible with the train pulse of the driver?
[23:52:03] <zeeshan> it makes zero sense to go analog on a modern system that is running some sort of fieldbus
[23:52:14] <zeeshan> unless i read something compeltely wrong!
[23:52:16] <Frank___2> i understand from manuals that the encoders use rs-422
[23:52:25] <t12> pulsetrain accumulates errors
[23:52:27] <t12> analog doesnt
[23:52:40] <zeeshan> accumlates error how?
[23:52:44] <zeeshan> and what kind of error are we talking ab out
[23:53:08] <t12> i should prolly read backscroll before mouthing off
[23:53:13] <t12> like missed step style
[23:53:19] <t12> extra step/lost steps accumulate
[23:53:54] <andypugh> Frank___2: Not a great photo, but the pink wires from the top are going into M20 sockets on the 5i23 card here: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/HarrisonMill#5901893704840742946
[23:54:12] <andypugh> t12: It doesn’t matter in a closed-loop servo system
[23:54:41] <andypugh> Cumulative encoder errors are a potential problem. Which is partly why I like resolvers.
[23:55:41] <andypugh> Frank___2: I don’t know if the 7i52S is suitable for driving your servo drives. Best to ask PCW that question.
[23:55:53] <t12> i wonder if i know enough fpga to do the mitsu ssi interface thing now
[23:56:27] <andypugh> PCW: Is the 7i52S suitable for driveing step-dir servo drives?
[23:56:54] <andypugh> t12: There is an SSI module for Hostmot2 (Mesa cards).
[23:57:28] <t12> sorry i'm scrambling everything today
[23:57:29] <t12> sscnet
[23:57:39] <t12> whatever they call their protocol
[23:57:50] <Frank___2> i see, its doable, but should i go with it beeing my first build? : D
[23:59:03] <Frank___2> wow just checked price list
[23:59:11] <Frank___2> 35 bucks!
[23:59:29] <Frank___2> i see what you mean hah
[23:59:32] <andypugh> You need to work out which daughter board is most suitable for you, then decide on an FPGA board to connect it to the PC.
[23:59:50] <PCW> Sure the 7I52S is for step/dir +encoder devices