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[01:11:01] <Duc> bpuk: might be a good question to ask on practicalmachinist but I would guess yes
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[01:20:46] <pink_vampire> hi
[01:21:16] <witnit> halllo
[01:21:32] <witnit> Anyone from the virginia area?!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/hardinge-Chnc-Lathe-Turning-Center-CNC-lathe-CNC-chucker-/151909396328?hash=item235e816f68:g:6pIAAOSwhcJWQWCA
[01:21:38] <XXCoder> heypi
[01:21:39] <witnit> Looks like a steal
[01:21:41] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire
[01:22:09] <pink_vampire> I'm from NY
[01:22:19] <XXCoder> other end at WA here heh
[01:23:20] <witnit> I came to the chat just for sharing this :P
[01:23:46] <XXCoder> maybe someone here just got a hardon and are now calling lol
[01:24:03] <pink_vampire> I finished yesterday to make rough design for all the terminal blocks
[01:24:51] <witnit> But I do have question regarding some KEB A4SM 001-6250 servo motors that use resolvers, anyone have any clue what a reasonable amp would be for these?
[01:28:01] <XXCoder> hey pink, any pics? hh
[01:28:21] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: working on that now :-)
[01:28:27] <witnit> I have always used brush dc with encoders on my builds and really dont know much about resolvers
[01:28:29] <XXCoder> lolo ok
[01:30:15] <witnit> jeesh this room quadrupled go EMC go EMC go go!
[01:35:22] <pink_vampire> witnit: I use DC servos with G320X, and it's not easy to tune...
[01:43:08] <witnit> ohh? I use the mesa controllers and those copely controls, amps, I haven had tooooo much trouble :)
[01:44:38] <witnit> Just a lil twirlin of the pots, poking at different pid's and crossing fingers
[01:46:03] <witnit> I use a couple of those aerotech ba drives as well, those have just about 20 jumpers you have to figure out where to place before you even get to the tuning though, they can be a pain but they work on brush or brushless motors
[01:54:33] <pink_vampire> I think you need to try again and again until you make it work.
[01:54:36] <malcom2073> Wolf_: Wolf_Mill ping
[01:55:11] <pink_vampire> witnit: ac servos are the best way to go
[01:58:19] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsEdu6Xq6KU
[02:02:16] <Contract_Pilot> Sup...
[02:02:22] <Contract_Pilot> hey wolf
[02:09:56] <witnit> pink I was expecting info on ac vs dc servo technologies but that is great
[02:11:49] <witnit> automate the process for me, set a camera on my lathe, rotate the part to be replicated and duplicate. thx
[02:12:19] <pink_vampire> witnit: I need to try it one day with clip of taylor swift...
[02:13:05] <witnit> does not compute
[02:13:27] <witnit> i dont think she has all the right contours :)
[02:14:33] <pink_vampire> witnit: I think she look amazing.
[02:15:58] <Duc> needs more curves
[02:17:00] <pink_vampire> Duc: you need to give an example..
[02:17:54] <Duc> skin and bones needs a little more in chest and little extra meat
[02:18:01] <Duc> doesnt look healthy to me
[02:20:13] <Duc> the model look of being starved just doesnt do it for me
[02:20:32] <witnit> eva mendes
[02:21:41] <pink_vampire> witnit: she also look very nice.
[02:22:08] <witnit> salma hayek
[02:22:10] <malcom2073> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and health is in the hands of a doctor
[02:22:12] <pink_vampire> her hair..
[02:23:28] <Duc> Brunette look way hotter
[02:23:47] <pink_vampire> Duc: thank you :-)
[02:24:30] <pink_vampire> curly vs straight hair..
[02:24:35] <Duc> straight
[02:24:46] <Duc> has to be the real thing to.
[02:25:15] <pink_vampire> what about wavy hair?
[02:25:32] <witnit> curly hair best hair
[02:25:52] * Tom_itx wonders wtf channel he just walked into
[02:25:57] <witnit> lol
[02:25:59] <witnit> pink started it
[02:26:10] <pink_vampire> LOLLL
[02:26:11] <witnit> I tried to stop them
[02:26:15] <Duc> its ok but not my fav
[02:26:22] <malcom2073> Tom_itx: Late night linuxcnc
[02:26:28] <malcom2073> Err. early evening linuxcnc?
[02:26:38] <Tom_itx> i seriously had to check...
[02:27:12] <Duc> at least Im behaving tonight
[02:27:39] <malcom2073> So I started looking at diy ways to stick a water pump in my dehumidifier, and let me tell you.... the things that people actually plug into the wall in their houses.... I should invest in the local fire department. People are nuts
[02:27:51] <Tom_itx> Duc, it's ok.. you're good until next xmas
[02:28:25] <Duc> I didnt get much from santa since I was bad all year
[02:29:00] <pink_vampire> I didn't get anything :(
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[02:29:19] <pink_vampire> but.. I made a looong list..
[02:29:29] <Jymmm> malcom2073: get off your ass and just empty the bucket =)
[02:29:38] <malcom2073> Psh
[02:29:56] <malcom2073> Three times a day forever, or spend a half a day tinkering? :P
[02:30:06] <witnit> you should just put a toilet tank under it
[02:30:13] <Duc> use a micro switch on a float
[02:30:14] <witnit> and done and done
[02:30:14] <malcom2073> bilge pump that is capable of indefinently running dry, + overzealous timer == win I think
[02:30:19] <Jymmm> malcom2073: wth, you live i a swamp?
[02:30:26] <malcom2073> Jymmm: East coast so..... yeah
[02:30:51] <Jymmm> malcom2073: fish pump
[02:31:20] <Duc> santa did not like the link to the cnc lathe on ebay
[02:31:25] <malcom2073> Jymmm: They don't like running dry do they?
[02:31:32] <Jymmm> malcom2073:
http://www.harborfreight.com/solar-powered-fountain-pump-66093.html
[02:31:52] <malcom2073> 2.62ft isn't enough anyway, need 4ft
[02:32:01] <malcom2073> found a bildgepump for $15 that would do it
[02:32:38] <malcom2073> I thought about having two switches, a full switch and an empty switch, then using an arduino, then I stepped away from the computer, kicked myself, came back and decided the easy way
[02:32:41] <Jymmm> I still say get off your ass 3x day and empty the bucket!
[02:32:52] <DaViruz> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LITTLE-GIANT-VCMA-20ULST-80-GPH-Automatic-Condensate-Removal-Pump-/231707558841?hash=item35f2d8c3b9:g:2PYAAOSwU~FWDaRd
[02:32:55] <witnit> is this dehumidifer something you just sit on your floor somewhere in the house?
[02:33:25] <malcom2073> DaViruz: Yeah that's the kind you have to pump water into in the first place, we have those at work for air conditioners
[02:33:35] <malcom2073> witnit: Yeah, I have mine mounted on a low shelf in the middle of the basement
[02:33:49] <DaViruz> i'm not sure how your dehumidifier works
[02:33:59] <Jymmm> oh basement, I thought house
[02:34:04] <witnit> could you maybe put it above your drain pipe and let gravity do things?
[02:34:05] <DaViruz> the ones i've seen it would be easy to have them discharge into a condensate pump
[02:34:21] <malcom2073> Ah yeah, this one has a "discharge" port, but it gets clogged with dust or something at random, so it's useless :/
[02:34:41] <Jymmm> malcom2073: screw the dehumidifier, just use a heater element instead
[02:34:49] <DaViruz> there is a "wet" type condensate pump för air conditioning as well
[02:34:53] <malcom2073> Jymmm: That's wasteful in the winter, and silly in the summer :P
[02:35:01] <DaViruz> that you could just drop in the condensate bucket
[02:35:06] <witnit> oooh i know, force it up and steam it into a perculator coffee maker
[02:35:09] <DaViruz> not exactly sure where you can find one though
[02:35:17] <Jymmm> malcom2073: and you think a dehumidifer + pump isn't?
[02:35:29] <malcom2073> DaViruz: That'd be nice, and easier if it was cheap
[02:35:34] <Jymmm> malcom2073: plus you can warm your basement at the same time
[02:35:50] <malcom2073> The dehumidifier keeps the basement warm heh, and how is a pump wasteful?
[02:36:00] <Duc> dont you have a drain in your basement
[02:36:19] <witnit> he keeps his drains in the attic
[02:36:43] <malcom2073> Yeah, but the discharge port on this thing keeps clogging up, and I grow tired of clearing mushrooms from around the drain from it being constantly wet heh
[02:37:34] <Duc> put it on top of a 5 gallon bucket then empty it once a week
[02:38:05] <malcom2073> I empty the 3 gallon tank three times a day
[02:38:15] <malcom2073> Well, I'm supposed to heh
[02:38:34] <Duc> bigger container and throw a sump pump in there
[02:38:55] <DaViruz> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electronic-Condensate-Pump-Waterway-micropump-II-/191766391281?hash=item2ca62ae9f1:g:R9oAAOSw5IJWe2te
[02:39:00] <Duc> already has a float even
[02:39:02] <malcom2073> I still run into the issue of how to get the water out of the bucket, I guess I could drill a huge hole in it?
[02:39:06] <DaViruz> i could only find a single one on ebay..
[02:39:12] <pink_vampire> I'm going to try render the electrical panel..
[02:39:22] <witnit> what temp is the water when it exits?
[02:39:33] <DaViruz> edc is the manufacturer, out of uk
[02:39:37] <pink_vampire> few thousand parts..
[02:39:49] <malcom2073> witnit: No clue, why?
[02:39:59] <witnit> thermodynamics my son
[02:40:05] <malcom2073> I'd imagine cold
[02:40:32] <Jymmm> thermite
[02:40:53] <witnit> great jymmm now were all being watched
[02:42:28] <pink_vampire> can't go back.. hope the computer will not burn to ashes
[02:44:17] <witnit> malcom2073
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/sstirling.htm
[02:44:27] <malcom2073> Haha
[02:44:53] <witnit> :)
[02:46:06] <DaViruz> i wonder if by ball valve he means check valve?
[02:46:55] <malcom2073> Ah there it is, a free energy mailing group banner
[02:46:57] <malcom2073> I was looking for that :P
[02:49:19] <Duc> Freaking hate making keyways
[02:49:28] <witnit> what kind of part?
[02:49:47] <Duc> pulley adapters fitting the keystock for the shaft and the adapter
[02:49:58] <witnit> and how are you doing it currently?
[02:50:23] <Duc> dykem then sanding some and repeat
[02:50:55] <witnit> no file?
[02:51:12] <Duc> and a file
[02:51:26] <Duc> bought oversized keystock to get a snug fit
[02:51:42] <witnit> I usually use surface grinder
[02:51:58] <witnit> whip whip done
[02:52:42] <Duc> I should have done that but I still need to grind the chuck in on the surface grinder
[02:53:16] <Duc> and put a different wheel on. all excuse for laziness
[02:53:33] <witnit> the last time I had to cut a keyway I put my pulley in the lathe, placed a solid carbide cutoff blade sideways in the tool post and broached to depth
[02:54:07] <witnit> one little sliver at a time, worked great, anyone know if that is common practice?
[02:54:09] <Duc> Ive been meaning to try that way. This time I broach the keyway and what a pain
[02:54:25] <Duc> alot of people now broach in the cnc's
[02:54:40] <Duc> I know we broach the breech face on slides
[02:56:29] <witnit> yeah, if your pulley is aluminum its super quick to do in a lathe, not sure about some steels vs some peoples lathes' carriages may be rough on a light machine
[02:57:53] <Duc> Mine should be able to handle it. a Leblond 15x30
[02:58:33] <Wolf_> malcom2073: pong!
[02:58:53] <malcom2073> Wolf_: Ah nevermind, someone posted a link for a hardinge chnc on ebay for $700, but it's missing the toolpost
[02:58:55] <witnit> oooh can i see some pictures of her? =D
[02:59:01] <malcom2073> It's only about 6 hours from ya
[02:59:10] <witnit> do it wolf do itttt!
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[02:59:27] <Wolf_> heh
[02:59:40] <Duc> tool post would be easy to machine
[03:00:10] <witnit> its not like you couldnt do halve of it right on the lathe :)
[03:00:18] <witnit> halve? hlaf
[03:00:21] <witnit> wat
[03:00:31] <Wolf_> missing tool post or the turrent?
[03:00:37] <malcom2073> turret heh
[03:00:55] <Wolf_> not as simple to make lol
[03:00:59] <malcom2073> Newp
[03:01:05] <malcom2073> I pinged you before I saw that heh
[03:01:31] <Wolf_> not much of a cnc with out the tool spinny thing
[03:02:00] <malcom2073> It looks like it's half hydraulic, half electronic control
[03:02:08] <Wolf_> oh fun
[03:02:27] <malcom2073> Yeah, nevermind :P
[03:02:31] <witnit> come on, the pneumatic collet closer is $200 min!
[03:02:32] <witnit> :P
[03:02:33] <witnit> hahahah
[03:02:52] <Wolf_> probably hydraulic chuck
[03:02:55] <witnit> of course those always need seal in them
[03:03:07] <witnit> nah, that ones pneumatic, but they leak most of the time
[03:03:26] <Duc> why do you think the tool post is difficult to make?
[03:03:36] <malcom2073> Duc: It's not a tool post, it's a turret
[03:03:52] <witnit> a turret would probably not be much harder really
[03:04:40] <Duc> tool post or turrent same thing for this
[03:04:43] <Duc> easy
[03:05:04] <witnit> it could do so much more tho if you did live tooling in it
[03:05:28] <Duc> now thats a different animinal
[03:05:42] <Jymmm> Got Lathe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n6ccZWvdRE
[03:05:44] <witnit> automatic cross drilling/tapping, pick off, back finish
[03:06:27] <Wolf_> so, if thats a pnumatic closer, why it there 4 hydraulc lines going to the headstock?
[03:06:36] <Wolf_> s/it/is
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[03:08:17] <witnit> because the cut off is hydraulic pneumatic rapids
[03:08:58] <Wolf_> yeah, that counts for 2 of the lines, what about the 2 at the rear of the head
[03:09:22] <Jymmm> Wolf_: beer delivery
[03:09:33] <witnit> I guess you could just look at thisd
[03:09:35] <witnit> hardinge varigrip
[03:09:48] <witnit> and google your way into agreeing with me :)
[03:09:53] <Wolf_> lol
[03:09:57] <Duc> so odd question for the none UK people. Anyone else keep a gun in their toolbox when the garage door is open
[03:10:13] <Wolf_> not me
[03:10:18] <malcom2073> I don't, but I don't live in the kind of area where it would be needed
[03:10:19] <Wolf_> holster IMO
[03:10:38] <malcom2073> Hell, I sometimes leave my garage door open when I'm not down there.
[03:10:38] <Wolf_> if I lived 25miles east of where I do, but I dont
[03:11:05] <Jymmm> For what, 2 or 4 legged?
[03:11:46] <Duc> 2 legged
[03:12:03] <Duc> Ive had my house robbed before and used to live in Albuerque NM
[03:12:28] <malcom2073> Buddy of mine who lived in Alb used to carry a gun everywhere with him, said it was pretty rough
[03:12:28] <Wolf_> no point of having a gun in the tool box, murphys law says if you need it, you’ll be on the other side of the garage
[03:12:35] <Jymmm> No, but I keep ax, pipes, bars, etc in handy spots.
[03:12:39] <witnit> wolf_ I think the reason for 4 lines per slide it pneumatic rapid forward, then hydraulic feed, then pneumatic rapid back
[03:12:54] <malcom2073> That too, if someone tries to rob me, I can kick/lash out randomly, and likely make half the garage fall over on them :P
[03:13:32] <Duc> the garage is a death trap along with the tomahawks I have around the place
[03:13:34] <Jymmm> I wouldn't hear them coming of somethign was running in the shop anyway
[03:13:37] <Duc> but yes abq is rough
[03:13:59] <witnit> anyone have any leadscrew tapping machines/units for sale?
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[04:23:23] <Jymmm> Is all this REALLY necessary, or his he justifying tool usage?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE5wv-p4VMc
[04:35:51] <XXCoder> he always cast stuff
[04:35:53] <XXCoder> dunno why
[04:36:01] <XXCoder> pretty cool though
[04:36:48] <XXCoder> that or he makes stuff when he can
[04:39:07] <XXCoder> brick couch heh
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[04:52:23] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/CEA0XdIvBQY First test cut of LinuxCNC controlled Flow Waterjet (with sound) LOUD
[04:53:04] <XXCoder> your machine?
[04:53:33] <CaptHindsight> thats the perfect sound to blast into the car next you at 130db
[04:53:58] <XXCoder> unless my car is literally falling to peices due to sound I wouldnt know lol
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[04:54:08] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: no TX/RX Labs
[04:54:15] <XXCoder> cool
[04:54:35] <XXCoder> good that theyre using masks
[04:54:56] <CaptHindsight> they held the mini Linuxcnc-fest a year ago
[04:56:17] <CaptHindsight> halloween is over, you can take yours off now :)
[04:57:09] <CaptHindsight> funy how the jokes you recall from age 7 become dad jokes 30 years later
[04:57:11] <pink_vampire> render again :((
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[05:07:14] <pink_vampire> CaptHindsight: look very nice
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[05:13:48] <pink_vampire> DONE!
[05:18:21] <RootB> hey linuxcnc
[05:18:27] <RootB> Could you guys machine me some parts I need?
[05:19:58] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: what is done?
[05:20:06] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/778mAaC.png
[05:20:33] <XXCoder> cnc machine controller and sryff eh
[05:20:55] <RootB> I need some Simple parts
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[05:21:06] <RootB> well basically, 6 plates
[05:21:11] <pink_vampire> this is the render of the electrical panel
[05:21:50] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: Tom_itx Duc Jymmm malcom2073 ^
[05:22:13] <Duc> can you repost the link
[05:22:25] <Duc> I think I just rejoined before the link
[05:23:24] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/778mAaC.png
[05:23:28] <pink_vampire> Duc: ^
[05:23:54] <Duc> which program did you render it in?
[05:24:01] <pink_vampire> solidworks
[05:24:16] <Duc> guessing that took awhile
[05:24:58] <pink_vampire> yes.. alot..
[05:25:01] <Duc> wheres the wire paths? Ive never tried the wiring module yet
[05:25:36] <pink_vampire> I'm not going to even try to do the wiring.
[05:26:03] <pink_vampire> it's going to be more than 1000 feet of wire..
[05:26:03] <Duc> LOL
[05:26:22] <Duc> have you tried solidworks 2016 yet
[05:26:30] <pink_vampire> but I did dome wire rendering at the past
[05:26:33] <pink_vampire> no.
[05:27:37] <pink_vampire> I'm surprised the computer not fall apart after the rendering. it's old computer.
[05:27:47] <XXCoder> so, electric panel for cnc machine or house?
[05:28:05] <pink_vampire> just the cnc
[05:29:21] <pink_vampire> on the top there is heatsinks for 5 units of G320X but for now I'm working just with 3
[05:29:42] <Duc> How big is the panel
[05:30:34] <pink_vampire> 4x2x1 feet
[05:30:54] <Duc> Any fans for air flow?
[05:31:59] <pink_vampire> all the heatsink are outside..
[05:32:15] <pink_vampire> there is hole in the back
[05:33:20] <os1r1s> Where is a good place to get electrical panels from to mount the drivers, breakouts, etc? Where does one find the kind with the montor/kb mounts/
[05:33:46] <Duc> sometimes scrap yards will have good panels
[05:33:54] <pink_vampire> my is new
[05:34:11] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[05:34:15] <XXCoder> got nanobeams
[05:34:23] <XXCoder> it fit my tb6560 :)
[05:34:30] <XXCoder> so I can build a "case" with it
[05:34:31] <Duc> pink_vampire old bridgeport boss had really good heatsinks. Well a shit load of them.
http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/Massiveheatsink_zps8129f237.jpg
[05:35:06] <pink_vampire> I did somthing similar
[05:35:37] <Duc> I never used any of them
[05:35:44] <Duc> well now I dont
[05:35:45] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/tBkqyqh.png
[05:36:27] <pink_vampire> each G320X get it's own heatsink and fan
[05:36:33] <CaptHindsight> pink_vampire: no ray tracing or photorealistic rendering?! :p
[05:37:14] <enleth> Duc: oh jeez, the BOSS control
[05:37:14] <Duc> why the distance on the white piece? Heat sinks can be flush with panel
[05:37:23] <enleth> I'm so glad I got the Heidenhain version
[05:37:31] <Duc> yea your lucky
[05:37:45] <Duc> your also got the 2:1 gearing
[05:37:45] <XXCoder> he owns lucky? wow nice
[05:38:46] <Duc> enleth: did you see the picture of the hard stop on the ball screws
[05:38:55] <enleth> Duc: yes
[05:39:10] <enleth> There isn't anything like that on mine
[05:39:35] <Duc> weird. Its on all of mine
[05:40:10] <enleth> Does your machine have limit switches that cut power to the servo drives?
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[05:40:54] <Duc> does now after that crash
[05:41:10] <Duc> I was lazy about hooking them back up when I switched from 7i76 to 7i77
[05:41:40] <enleth> Ah, OK
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[05:41:53] <enleth> Well that's not a matter of "hooking them up" on mine
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[05:42:12] <enleth> They cut *power* to the drives, not the enable/inhibit line
[05:42:46] <Duc> so you put a relay to the incoming power
[05:43:16] <enleth> There's a latching relay supplying power to all the dangerous stuff, e-stop controls that and the limit switches are basically in series with the e-stop buttons
[05:43:30] <enleth> I didn't, it's a factory feature
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[05:44:06] <enleth> And I'm keeping that when I retrofit
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[05:44:34] <pink_vampire> I got disconncted..
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[05:44:52] <Duc> Thats a nice feature. when are you retrofitting
[05:45:28] <enleth> Duc: the only thing that can be powered despite the e-stop/limits being triggered are ballscrew brakes, and that's specifically to be able to crank an axis off a limit switch
[05:45:47] <enleth> they're normally-closed and need power to disengage
[05:45:57] <pink_vampire> I try to download the pics from my phone :)
[05:46:26] <Duc> enleth: you keeping the variable head intact?
[05:47:09] <enleth> Duc: not sure, the varidrive is in a pretty bad shape, but I'd like to overhault it at some point
[05:47:26] <enleth> So I may replace it with a toothed belt drive now, but in a way that is reversible
[05:47:36] <enleth> *overhaul
[05:48:07] <enleth> I don't have the $1500 needed to replace worn components now
[05:48:26] <enleth> But it would be really nice to combine varidrive with a VFD in a controlled manner
[05:48:56] <Duc> I went the single pulley way and regret it. should have kept it with a encoder on the spindle to know whne the speed is correct
[05:49:13] <Duc> Loose the torqe with a single pulley
[05:49:38] <enleth> Well the motor shaft on mine is so worn it's visibly gouged and out of round
[05:49:51] <enleth> And the pulleys run at an angle
[05:50:05] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/iPnS5Tr.jpg
[05:50:15] <pink_vampire> this is the back of the panel
[05:50:20] <XXCoder> nice
[05:50:29] <Duc> ok that looks good
[05:50:34] <enleth> I had to find a ratio that works best, where there's least vibration, and I'm keeping it there, using the VFD to control speed
[05:51:01] <Duc> enleth: bridgeport motors dont have standard shaft sizes
[05:51:18] <enleth> I mean, the varidrive does work, but most speed ranges produce so much noise and vibration that I don't like to use them
[05:51:41] <enleth> Duc: I'm pretty sure they kina-sorta do
[05:51:52] <pink_vampire> It was very hard to cut it.. I did it with the dremel.
[05:52:50] <enleth> Duc: what I have is a 2HP "CNC" motor and when I talked with John Stevenson, he knew exactly what kind of shaft that has
[05:53:31] <Duc> enleth: difficult to find a metric shaft motor other than a bridgeport replacement
[05:53:38] <enleth> CNC being different in that it mounts at the bottom of the varidrive housing so the shaft is longer and the tension spring is on the bottom
[05:53:52] <enleth> Duc: ah, I see what you meant
[05:54:08] <Duc> enleth: its a standard motor with a unique shaft size for it
[05:54:20] <enleth> Well I don't see a problem with making an adapter sleeve
[05:54:43] <Duc> pink_vampire dremels are evil. So long to cut
[05:55:17] <Duc> enleth just use taper locks or QD mounts to adapter to the pulley.
[05:55:54] <pink_vampire> now I'm wating for the terminals..
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[05:56:21] <enleth> Duc: also, I'm pretty sure the nominal shaft OD on my motor is 30mm
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[05:56:45] <enleth> Which is weird but several sources seem to confirm that it's a metric diameter for some reason
[05:56:45] <Duc> enleth: yea it is but try to find a motor in the us that is 30mm besides bridgeport
[05:57:04] <enleth> Duc: ah, now I see the problem
[05:57:13] <enleth> I'm in the EU, so that's actually good for me
[05:57:53] <enleth> Although 30mm shafts are common on much bigger motors
[05:58:16] <Duc> ah that helps alot
[05:58:18] <enleth> For that size motor, I'd expect to get 20mm unless it's a custom order
[05:58:38] <enleth> Well no, it doesn't in fact, the rest of the machine is fucking inches all over
[05:58:41] <Duc> in my build thread I showed all the parts in the us to convert it to a single pulley
[05:58:44] <Duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/Massiveheatsink_zps8129f237.jpg
[05:58:57] <Duc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/12-milling/29997-bridgeport-boss5-stepper-to-servo
[05:58:59] <enleth> Ball screws are metric, and that's it
[05:59:18] <Duc> pink_vampire which terminals
[05:59:45] <pink_vampire> all the terminal blocks...
[06:00:11] <enleth> Duc: do you still have the pneumatic motor that powered varidrive speed change?
[06:00:15] <Duc> does your have the QC30 or quickswitch
[06:00:22] <Duc> nope trashed it all
[06:00:30] <pink_vampire> Duc:
http://i.imgur.com/778mAaC.png
[06:00:33] <Duc> should have kept the whole setup
[06:00:44] <enleth> Duc: shit
[06:00:50] <enleth> I'd have paid for that
[06:00:53] <pink_vampire> you see the colorful stuff...
[06:01:05] <enleth> Seriously, why get rid of good components?
[06:01:29] <enleth> Also, if you trashed the varidrive pulleys, you're just stupid
[06:01:39] <Duc> what good is pneumatics if you can tell the speed.
[06:01:40] <enleth> They're worth a fortune if not damaged
[06:01:52] <Duc> yes Im stupid been kicking myself for awhile
[06:03:09] <Duc> but now I dont have to adjust anything to change the speed and it does work fine
[06:03:41] <Duc> pink_vampire which brand
[06:03:48] <pink_vampire> ABB
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[06:04:35] <Duc> ebay?
[06:05:24] <pink_vampire> no!
[06:05:40] <enleth> Duc: oh, you've got the same bulgy Y axis belt housings
[06:06:21] <Duc> enleth what do you mean
[06:06:31] <enleth> No, not the same, there's no cutout for motor shaft installation, but the casting is very similar
[06:06:44] <Duc> pink_vampire whats wrong with ebay.
[06:06:47] <enleth> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/Boss5%20servo/20150924_202023_zps3tfdz0ir.jpg - this
[06:07:07] <Duc> how is yours
[06:07:10] <enleth> The castin bulges up and makes it almost impossible to remove the saddle
[06:07:14] <enleth> *casting
[06:07:19] <enleth> Same thing on mine
[06:07:48] <pink_vampire> Duc: nothing wrong. I need alot of them in alot of color and i want the whole system with no games..
[06:07:49] <Duc> ah
[06:08:08] <pink_vampire> colors*
[06:08:12] <enleth> You have to remove the pulley, lock washer, locknut and two bearings from the screw to take that casting off
[06:08:29] <Duc> enleth not sure why I would remove the saddle. my ways look good and the oil system works
[06:08:38] <enleth> Or get 3 friends and do some gymnastics
[06:08:54] <enleth> Duc: I had to, to clean everything
[06:09:16] <Jymmm> enleth: Um... nm
[06:09:29] <enleth> Jymmm: what
[06:09:38] <enleth> Duc: and also to have smaller pieces to haul inside
[06:09:41] <Duc> enleth yea I got lucky on that. Minor cleaning
[06:09:45] <Jymmm> enleth: " 3 friends and do some gymnastics"
[06:09:47] <pink_vampire> Duc: what stuff are you using in your panel?
[06:10:17] <Duc> pink_vampire wago like 20 dollars off ebay for 70+ parts
[06:10:43] <enleth> Jymmm: well, you can unscrew that casting from the knee and pull out out with the screw still attached
[06:11:23] <pink_vampire> I don't like wago.. I want screws.
[06:11:28] <enleth> Jymmm: if you pull it out enough, you can slide off the saddle over the screw, but you need to be extremely careful not to ding the screw with the saddle or the edges of the hole
[06:11:30] <Jymmm> enleth: Fuck your casting! If I have 3 gymnastic friends I can think of FAR better things to be doing ;)
[06:11:59] <XXCoder> bed
[06:12:14] <enleth> Jymmm: if it doesn't involve a 1,5 ton mill, it's no fun
[06:12:22] <Duc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/361271103210?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[06:12:29] <Duc> Had spring loaded clips
[06:12:37] <Jymmm> enleth: hahaha
[06:12:58] <pink_vampire> Duc: it's used!
[06:13:10] * Jymmm pats enleth on the head and hands him a cookie.
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[06:13:25] <Duc> pink_vampire yea married with a budget. She already has idea of the cost of the garage and the gun collection
[06:13:50] <Duc> and I dont make money off my equipment
[06:13:54] <enleth> Duc: for reference:
https://gallery.hackerspace.pl/Bridgeport-locknut - this is what I had to do to take that fucking locknut off without the proper hook wrench
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[06:14:36] <enleth> Mind you, in this case a *proper* hook wrench would need to be bent in two spots in a very strange way to clear the housing and grab the locknut properly
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[06:15:25] <enleth> Also, a wrench that fits over the keyed part of the shaft would help, I need to lasercut those too
[06:15:32] <pink_vampire> Duc: I want it new, because thios way I know the contondition of tham and I can get replacement stuff very easy..
[06:16:03] <Duc> enleth I would probably just weld a socket up quick. so how is the pulleys arranged on that mill
[06:16:10] <enleth> Before you ask: yes, this pulley/belt/chain fuckery is a self-locking ballscrew stop I made for no better way of keeping it from turning
[06:16:23] <Jymmm> Gawd that looks dangerous; as he's chiseling the slit, if his hand slipped down it's all over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vJiAePk2yI
[06:16:24] <enleth> it worked
[06:16:56] <pink_vampire> Duc: instead of get another pair of shoes, I get terminal blocks
[06:16:56] <Duc> pink_vampire stuff gets expensive buying each piece new
[06:17:25] <Duc> lol
[06:17:27] <enleth> Duc: Y axis is just like yours, but the screw shaft is extended to accomodate a brake and handwheel
[06:17:55] <enleth> Duc: actually, wait, no
[06:18:02] <enleth> Duc: it's the same length
[06:18:09] <pink_vampire> now I need to work on the fire safty system
[06:18:15] <enleth> The brake/handwheel clutch unit bolts onto the pulley
[06:18:19] <Duc> enleth you have extra boss's in the casting
[06:18:21] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: for?
[06:18:32] <Duc> pink_vampire what kind of mill is this for that stuff
[06:18:41] <enleth> Duc: that's where the stationary part of the brake assembly is anchored
[06:18:42] <pink_vampire> foer the panel...
[06:18:45] <Duc> why
[06:18:50] <pink_vampire> G0704
[06:18:59] <pink_vampire> safty first..
[06:19:25] <enleth> Duc: and the big hole is for a cable gland
[06:19:30] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: I havne't been following your project, what is the fire safety for specifically? heat? flame? explosion? alien weapon?
[06:19:31] <enleth> Duc: brake power and handwheel sensor
[06:19:48] <Duc> enleth isnt your system a 2:1
[06:20:09] <enleth> Duc: ah, just noticed the motor pulley is bigger on your photo
[06:20:22] <Duc> it is?
[06:20:31] <enleth> But you could, in theory, replace the pulley and the belt
[06:20:38] <Duc> pink_vampire you maybe over doing the safety part
[06:20:39] <enleth> Yes, the motor pulley is much smaller on my mill
[06:20:42] <pink_vampire> here in the US the house made from wood.. so I want to add extra layer of safety to the panel..
[06:21:03] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Yes, I know what fire control is, but from what?
[06:21:10] <Duc> pink_vampire so you using C02 or halon
[06:21:16] <enleth> Duc: same thing on X, small motor pulley, and the ballscrew pulley seems to be the same size as yours
[06:21:42] <Duc> do you have a link to all the pictures on your mill?
[06:21:51] <pink_vampire> just few hundred bucks, and you can get automatic fire extinguisher.
[06:21:52] <Duc> and what is your ballscrew? .2/inch
[06:22:10] <pink_vampire> I think I will go with powder based,
[06:22:36] <pink_vampire> It's good for electric and not toxic like gas.
[06:22:48] <Jymmm> and corrosive
[06:22:57] <Duc> C02 would be cheaper and wouldnt ruin your electronics
[06:23:02] <enleth> Duc: for reference, this is the Heidenhain's idea of a control box:
https://gallery.hackerspace.pl/pictures/Bridgeport/img_6012.jpg
[06:23:15] <Jymmm> CO2 would promote condensation.
[06:23:17] <enleth> Way better than what Bridgeport did themselves for BOSS
[06:23:36] <pink_vampire> but c02 will kill you..
[06:23:47] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: you drink it
[06:23:47] <pink_vampire> co2*
[06:23:58] <Duc> it would take a shit load to fill a room
[06:23:59] <enleth> Duc: the ballscrew is 5mm/turn, definitely metric
[06:24:03] <Jymmm> every time you have a soda
[06:24:13] <enleth> pink_vampire: halon will too
[06:24:16] <Duc> and if your fire system goes off then have it kill power and let it dry out
[06:24:43] <Duc> power goes off and your replacing everything
[06:24:51] <Duc> powder goes off and your replacing everything
[06:25:01] <Jymmm> Halon is internationally banned with rare exeptions and VERY expensive. There is the replacement FMxxx
[06:25:01] <pink_vampire> mmm
[06:25:20] <enleth> Jymmm: I think we all mean that when we say "halon" nowadays
[06:25:28] <pink_vampire> I need to ask some fire specialist
[06:25:36] <Duc> enleth: so ballscrew almost the same.
[06:25:43] <enleth> pink_vampire: have you ever been to a halon-protected data center? You have to carry an oxygen mask with you and the fire alarm means "GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE", but not because of the fire
[06:26:17] <pink_vampire> I know
[06:26:18] <enleth> pink_vampire: rather, that's because you'll suffocate in a few seconds if you inhale a lot of this stuff
[06:26:37] <pink_vampire> this is why I wont to avoid any type of gas.
[06:26:52] <Duc> CO2 will be fine
[06:26:57] <pink_vampire> want*
[06:27:09] <Duc> how big is your room where the mill is?
[06:27:31] <pink_vampire> 12X20feet~
[06:27:58] <Duc> your will be fine
[06:28:01] <Jymmm> concrete floor?
[06:28:05] <pink_vampire> wood
[06:28:22] <pink_vampire> anything is wood
[06:28:36] <Jymmm> finished or bare walls?
[06:28:42] <enleth> Duc: there's more photos at
https://gallery.hackerspace.pl/Bridgeport https://gallery.hackerspace.pl/Bridgeport%202015-07-29 https://gallery.hackerspace.pl/Bridgeport%202015-08-01 https://gallery.hackerspace.pl/Bridgeport-2015-08-25
[06:28:58] <Duc> you could set off a large fire extenguisher in that room with no trouble for your health
[06:29:06] <pink_vampire> cover with sheetrock
[06:29:18] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: 1" worth?
[06:29:24] <XXCoder> enleth: early BSFH funny articles abuse halon systems a lot.
[06:29:49] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: what do you mean?
[06:30:18] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: fallwall rating of sheetrock is usueally two 1/2" sheets iirc.
[06:30:23] <Jymmm> firewall*
[06:30:47] <pink_vampire> here is regular sheetrock 1/2"
[06:30:56] <Duc> I wish I could find more halon systems for the garage. I loved that shit
[06:31:10] <enleth> XXCoder: I work in big data and network security, I know the real versions of some of those stories
[06:31:30] <enleth> XXCoder: that shit happens from time to time
[06:31:32] <pink_vampire> Duc: halon is toxic!!
[06:31:33] <XXCoder> interesting.
[06:31:56] <enleth> XXCoder: not on purpose but people do dumb things
[06:32:13] <Jymmm> It's not toxic, it just displaces all the oxygen.
[06:32:44] <XXCoder> enleth: yeah everyone does stupid thing sometimes.
[06:32:46] <Duc> yep we used a ton of that stuff on flight simulators
[06:32:49] <enleth> Jymmm: I'm pretty sure it does interfere with oxidation in a more effective way than just displacing oxygen
[06:32:52] <Duc> when it goes off you just leave the room
[06:33:09] <Jymmm> enleth: link?
[06:33:16] <pink_vampire> enleth: I see the pics now. look nice but not a nail friendly task :)
[06:33:28] <enleth> Duc: you'd really have to be British to "just leave the room" when halon goes off
[06:33:58] <Duc> LOL what do you mean
[06:34:10] <enleth> pink_vampire: well no, definitely
[06:34:20] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: I'd cover the floor with some material that is fire/flame proof and can easy clean up any spills.
[06:35:20] <Duc> put a temperature probe inside the panel that kills input power and floods the panel with CO2
[06:35:25] <enleth> Duc: > halon goes off > everyone runs for their life > except the Brits get up calmly, careful to not spill their tea and leave without interrupting their squash conversation
[06:36:09] <Duc> nowhere close to a british person just accident prone
[06:36:10] <pink_vampire> Duc: alrady have about 10 temp sensors,,
[06:36:15] <enleth> pink_vampire: even the nails in the pallet couldn't survive that
[06:36:31] <Duc> yea over kill
[06:36:38] <pink_vampire> no!
[06:37:02] <pink_vampire> each motor driver, each motor, each power supply,
[06:37:21] <Duc> we didnt even have that many on a flight simulator 20 million dollar machine
[06:37:51] <Duc> enleth: do you have the tooth count on your pulleys
[06:38:04] <pink_vampire> and I read each tachometer of the fans.
[06:38:48] <pink_vampire> Duc: poor flight simulator design
[06:39:24] <Duc> a heat and smoke sensor in each cabinet that was tested annually. Smoke sensor are very sensentive
[06:39:49] <pink_vampire> for less than a$1 you can put temp sensor..
[06:40:15] <Duc> but do you have a temp sensor on each wire in the terminal block
[06:40:42] <pink_vampire> no but you scan it with IR camera.
[06:40:46] <Duc> one of those wires could get overheated and start a flame
[06:41:52] <Duc> I would look into a smoke sensor, that will take care of all your worries
[06:42:08] <pink_vampire> Duc: I can't make it too much safe (I still want the datron m10)
[06:42:55] <Duc> we actually have I think 2-3 of those at work
[06:43:03] <enleth> pink_vampire: Duc has a point, most electrical fires start with screw terminals overheating, so a somke sensor makes sense
[06:43:18] <Duc> and you cant scan it 24/7
[06:44:18] <pink_vampire> 3 cameras on the door...
[06:45:06] <Duc> really
[06:45:27] <Duc> ?
[06:45:46] <XXCoder> if ir sensors is like buck each I'd spam it a little.
[06:45:48] <pink_vampire> no! it was a joke.
[06:45:59] <enleth> Duc: I can count the teeth later this week
[06:46:09] <pink_vampire> NASA.. I need a job. so it you interesting. just to let you know that I'm available..
[06:46:18] <pink_vampire> if*
[06:46:46] <Duc> enleth: Thanks
[06:46:49] <XXCoder> nasa job'd be awesome lol
[06:47:20] <Duc> pink_vampire: I would look into a smoke sensor
[06:49:30] <pink_vampire> I have regular one, but I want something that can work even without power.
[06:49:31] <Duc> http://www.amazon.com/Smoke-Sensor-Module-Detector-Output/dp/B008MSQO0W
[06:51:32] <Duc> http://www.hw-group.com/products/sensors/Smoke_detector_en.html
[06:51:38] <Duc> believed we used these ones
[06:52:03] <pink_vampire> http://www.vatroival.com/slike/zastita-od-pozara/inzinjering/rotarex/Rotarex-03.jpg
[06:52:13] <pink_vampire> I want to add something like that.
[06:53:44] <Duc> pricey
[06:54:05] <Duc> you seem over protective about this project
[06:54:13] <Duc> something happen in the past?
[06:55:36] <pink_vampire> I like to do stuff right not cheap
[06:55:50] <pink_vampire> no, but I want to be on the safe side..
[06:56:29] <Jymmm> pour a slab and toss up a shop?
[06:58:33] <pink_vampire> Jymmm:It's in the middle of the house..
[06:59:11] <pink_vampire> I like to me close to the machine.
[06:59:47] <Duc> hmmm
[06:59:54] <Duc> not sure what else to think
[07:00:14] <Duc> well time for bed
[07:00:44] <pink_vampire> 15~temp sensors 2 smoke detectors, 1 automatic fire extinguisher
[07:00:56] <pink_vampire> I think it will be safe..
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[07:07:52] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkbcPhtl9TE
[07:10:49] <pink_vampire> you can prevent it very easy.
[07:11:56] <pink_vampire> avoid deep oil cooking
[07:12:05] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: ^
[07:15:02] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=507gj_JWWSs
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[07:15:57] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: What do you think the ways and leadscrews have on them?
[07:17:41] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: what do you mean?
[07:20:35] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: what leadscrew?
[07:23:54] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: I would highly suggest that you look into fire PREVENTION
[07:26:00] <pink_vampire> I look at it.. and I think it is very important thing to add to the panel.
[07:26:21] <Jymmm> No, that's not prevention, thats fighting a fire.
[07:27:24] <pink_vampire> I make 3 stages first temp sensors,than smoke detectors, than automatic fire extinguisher
[07:28:07] <pink_vampire> and all the stages can kill the power to the panel..
[07:28:34] <pink_vampire> Jymmm:
[07:36:58] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADqDMwQOc2w
[07:37:25] <pink_vampire> I feel than I have the wrong machine :-(
[07:39:19] <pink_vampire> that*
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[07:44:14] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: no matter how awesome your machine is, theres always better
[07:44:22] <XXCoder> if your machine can do what you want its great
[07:44:34] <XXCoder> besides that machine is million$ of dollars.
[07:44:47] <XXCoder> out of scope for most companies, let alone home use
[07:45:21] <archivist> 5 axis is with home budgets
[07:45:27] <archivist> within
[07:45:34] <XXCoder> it is
[07:45:37] <XXCoder> but not that machine
[07:45:46] <archivist> the cam is not though
[07:45:48] <XXCoder> unless your last name is gates and first name starts with b
[07:48:41] <archivist> I have to use cheap inside rear of skull cam to program my 5axis
[07:49:23] <witnit> anyone know the cost of the 7i54?
[07:50:16] <Jymmm> CNC porn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_qHR_H_2cg
[07:51:04] <XXCoder> yeah saw that one
[07:51:07] <XXCoder> fancy indeed
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[07:58:37] <Deejay> moin
[08:00:41] <XXCoder> hey
[08:01:05] <Jymmm> Does anyone know why a heat pump works poorly below 40F ?
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[08:01:34] <XXCoder> lack of heat to pump? honestly dunno
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[08:01:51] <Deejay> hi XXCoder, Jymmm
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[08:02:12] <Jymmm> hi Deejay
[08:02:19] <XXCoder> http://www.hometips.com/repair-fix/heat-pump-cold-weather-problems.html?PageSpeed=noscript
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[08:03:15] <witnit> mojn!
[08:03:39] <Deejay> moin witnit :)
[08:11:10] <pink_vampire> after test
[08:11:26] <pink_vampire> one fan not working :(
[08:13:13] <Deejay> hi pink_vampire
[08:13:28] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
[08:14:03] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I just want to di some stuff with my machine..
[08:14:19] <XXCoder> me too, I really need to work on machine lol
[08:18:45] <pink_vampire> I need cooler master 70mm 7 blades 3pins fan
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[08:49:46] <cheetah2> hello what hardware is being used?
[08:49:52] <cheetah2> grblshield?
[08:51:05] <pink_vampire> WORK!!!
[08:51:22] <pink_vampire> I broke it
[08:51:26] <pink_vampire> re solder it
[08:51:42] <pink_vampire> some crazy glue
[08:51:45] <pink_vampire> work!!
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[08:54:10] <XXCoder> nice
[09:00:26] <pink_vampire> there is one piece the i can't put back in place
[09:00:33] <pink_vampire> but it's cosmetic..
[09:02:15] <pink_vampire> I'm soo happy!
[09:07:01] <pink_vampire> http://i.imgur.com/ixskiXT.png
[09:07:34] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[09:07:56] <XXCoder> looking
[09:08:25] <XXCoder> nice. yeah it wont hurt too much, just take cover hole or something
[09:09:13] <pink_vampire> but I was need to re solder the PCB..
[09:14:18] <XXCoder> dont think it will hurt anyway
[09:15:30] <pink_vampire> I'm not sure what do you mean...
[09:15:55] <XXCoder> leaving that hole
[09:18:23] <pink_vampire> yeah there is a black sticker that going to cover it..
[09:19:56] <XXCoder> cool
[09:20:13] <XXCoder> so whats your ultimate goal to make with your machine?
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[09:21:11] <pink_vampire> I think 4axis machining + servo spindle job
[09:21:15] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[09:21:50] <XXCoder> so you plan to use machine to make that 4 axis cnc machine?
[09:22:05] <pink_vampire> I have 5 drivers..
[09:22:36] <pink_vampire> 5 axis machinig is too crazy..
[09:22:55] <XXCoder> yeah looks hard to do
[09:23:04] <XXCoder> machine isnt too bad but programming ouch
[09:23:13] <XXCoder> cam packages way price
[09:23:13] <pink_vampire> so 4 axis + servo spindle, or 3 axis + 3d printer
[09:25:23] <pink_vampire> and also to make the tool path..
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[09:28:44] <enleth> pink_vampire: have you tried disassembling this fan the "proper" way, removing the retaining washer from the shaft?
[09:29:03] <pink_vampire> enleth: yes..
[09:29:57] <enleth> ah, so this is the type where it's easier to cut them and glue back together than remove this washer
[09:30:10] <pink_vampire> but you can't reach to the back of the pcb
[09:30:46] <enleth> oh, OK, it comes off in most of them somehow
[09:31:40] <pink_vampire> http://cdn.instructables.com/F8L/0YMD/GFA3YPDU/F8L0YMDGFA3YPDU.LARGE.jpg
[09:32:17] <pink_vampire> you see how the pcb mount?
[09:34:02] <pink_vampire> enleth: ^
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[09:37:19] <enleth> sure
[09:38:18] <pink_vampire> enleth: you have better idea how take it apart?
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[09:40:55] <enleth> I'd try to bend it upwards with a wedge just enough to access the solder pad
[09:41:22] <enleth> A thin long tip could fit in there
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[09:42:11] <pink_vampire> next time..
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[10:00:12] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: Wow, that's a big electronics panel
[10:00:25] <malcom2073> My mill has about 1/8th the electronics yours does lol
[10:00:36] <pink_vampire> 4x2x1 feet
[10:01:03] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: ^
[10:01:15] <malcom2073> Course, I've only got 3 axis, and my power supply is integrated with the stepper driver so it's fairly small
[10:01:21] <malcom2073> Does the PC fit in that box too?
[10:01:28] <pink_vampire> no..
[10:01:32] <malcom2073> Wow heh
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[10:02:44] <pink_vampire> i can't find nice and strong pc that fit on din rail..
[10:02:58] <malcom2073> Could get a vesa mount pc, and mak an adapter
[10:03:37] <pink_vampire> this is very niec idea!
[10:04:11] <malcom2073> Most vesa mount PC cases are very small profile, and if you use a Mesa ethernet card then you don't even need a large case for the pci/pcie card
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[10:04:34] <pink_vampire> you know something with quad core cpu and decent graphic card?
[10:04:56] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: I'm working with the LPT,
[10:05:01] <pink_vampire> and mach3
[10:05:01] <malcom2073> That fits in a vesa case? I do not
[10:05:04] <malcom2073> Even better
[10:05:05] <malcom2073> Ah even worse
[10:05:06] <malcom2073> :P
[10:05:43] <malcom2073> I don't know what kind of boards work well with mach3, but their forums should have suggestions. Find a microatx one that fits in a good case you like
[10:05:51] <pink_vampire> C10
[10:05:53] <malcom2073> graphics card may be difficult though for a low profile case
[10:07:04] <pink_vampire> http://www.fanuc.eu/ru/en/cnc/controls
[10:08:11] <malcom2073> Looks expensive to me :)
[10:08:18] <pink_vampire> we need to make linuxcnc look more like the new fanuc controllers
[10:08:35] <archivist> no we dont
[10:09:14] <malcom2073> lol
[10:09:44] <malcom2073> http://www.fanuc.eu/~/media/corporate/products/cnc/400x400/product/ncguide-screen-impression-banner.jpg
[10:09:47] <malcom2073> Looks very 90's
[10:10:10] <malcom2073> Looks kinda like tkemc
[10:10:19] <archivist> probably is :)
[10:10:24] <enleth> looks fanuc-y
[10:11:00] <enleth> 6R robot pendant GUIs must be made by the same team
[10:11:13] <archivist> anyway I got the worm test implemented and run on linuxcnc
[10:11:54] <pink_vampire> I mean the 3d display..
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[10:14:00] <pink_vampire> someone do something with the cnc? or all of us talking?
[10:14:04] <malcom2073> I assume the 3d display is their tool path generation software onboard?
[10:15:16] <archivist> we can see tool paths already, we can visualise the machine as well
[10:17:02] <pink_vampire> who is the developer of linux cnc?
[10:17:30] <malcom2073> There are quite a lot of contributors
[10:18:29] <pink_vampire> https://youtu.be/NAUKPq5QjL0
[10:19:43] <pink_vampire> this hilarious
[10:20:06] <malcom2073> Haha
[10:20:23] <malcom2073> That's awesome
[10:20:45] <malcom2073> The comments, the guy who tries to act smart and think it's real
[10:21:24] <archivist> you can also use vismach in linuxcnc to see your machine in action
[10:21:57] <pink_vampire> I can't stop laughing
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[10:26:24] <pink_vampire> hi DaPeace
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[12:45:19] <ReadError> hmm so... 7I80DB-25 vs 7I80DB-16
[12:45:25] <ReadError> what the heck is the difference
[12:45:39] <ReadError> i ran a diff on the descriptions, both the same
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[12:51:15] * archivist stares at the 16 and 25
[12:51:29] <ReadError> yea, whats that in reference to?
[12:51:36] <ReadError> the pdf manual is the same
[12:51:47] <SpeedEvil> 16A/25A?
[12:51:52] <SpeedEvil> (I have no idea)
[12:51:56] <archivist> speed bits fpga size
[12:52:00] <SpeedEvil> ah
[12:52:28] <archivist> Im guessing too, too lazy to read the site at the moment
[12:52:36] <ReadError> oh, how am I supposed to know that lol
[12:52:49] <ReadError> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_85&product_id=60 http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_85&product_id=59
[12:54:10] <ReadError> Five 64K byte blocks of flash memory space are free when both user and fallback
[12:54:10] <ReadError> configurations are installed on the 7I80DB-25. Seventeen 64K byte blocks are free one the
[12:54:11] <ReadError> 7I80DB-16
[12:55:21] <ReadError> ah so -25 has a fallback eeprom, -16 doesnt
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[13:10:31] <lair82> It is something to do with the fpga clock speed, I have a few of the 16's running
[13:11:13] <lair82> And mine has the fallback eeprom on it
[13:12:36] <lair82> I remember pcw telling me that even with all the hardware I have running off of my 7i80, the 16 was still plenty of horsepower for what we are doing.
[13:16:28] <ReadError> hmm 20$ difference
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[14:26:12] <pink_vampire> hi
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[14:27:48] <pink_vampire> what is the recomended way to do servo spindle?
[14:29:18] <archivist> not usually needed on a normal mill
[14:31:02] <archivist> more often used on lathes that have live tooling that mills the item in the lathe spindle
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[14:37:36] <pink_vampire> archivist: what about tapping?
[14:38:07] <JT-Shop> 2 of my spindles are servo driven
[14:38:23] <archivist> not needed there either, just add a spindle encoder and linuxcnc makes the other axes follow
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[14:50:45] <Duc> lol
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[15:12:32] <Duc> anyone looking to purchase massive old stepper motors
[15:14:54] <pink_vampire> I would love to but I'm allergic to stepper motors
[15:14:59] <pink_vampire> Duc: ^
[15:15:40] <Duc> LOL old nema 42 with unique shaft size
[15:15:47] <Duc> its a collectors item
[15:16:15] <pink_vampire> pic
[15:17:55] <pink_vampire> anyone use space mouse?
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[15:18:19] <Duc> like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bridgeport-Stepper-Motor-For-Boss-System-Controls-/330641997789?hash=item4cfbcc7fdd:m:mBKF-ySDrPLem5lXEDsy0_Q
[15:18:23] <Loetmichel> pink_vampire: i had one once at the company
[15:18:34] <Duc> 5/8 shaft instead of the normal 1/2
[15:18:37] <Loetmichel> wasnt impressed
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[15:19:46] <JT-Shop-> you can give them to me if you pay postage :)
[15:19:47] <pink_vampire> maybe archivist will like it..
[15:20:04] <Loetmichel> Duc: and a massive cooling shroud... what is these steppers rated current?
[15:20:06] <pink_vampire> for me is look like junk.
[15:20:37] <Duc> not really sure what the current rating is. Hard to find honest specs about the motors
[15:20:44] <Duc> they are from 1978
[15:21:05] <Loetmichel> that only means that they are possible not rare earth magnets inside
[15:21:06] <Duc> JT-Shop: might need to be the opposite. you pay postage
[15:21:11] <Duc> yep
[15:21:17] <Loetmichel> meaning they are either hybrid or pretty weak ones
[15:21:30] <Duc> and they dont like to microstep at all
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[15:22:21] * Loetmichel once cobbled together a machine with some massive 3kW cont. AC servos and indramat drives..
[15:23:27] <Loetmichel> ... and made the error of commading the motion controller to do a single rotation (steps for 360°) at maximum speed while the servo was sitting on a wooden pallet without any restraints...
[15:23:28] <Duc> Been tempted to find a massive ac servo for the spindle motor
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[15:23:45] <Duc> how high did it jump
[15:23:55] <Loetmichel> imagine my horror when 30++kg of aluminium, steel and copper leaped up at me about half a meter ;)
[15:23:57] <archivist> microstepped stepper error plot
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/wormtest/plot_normalised.php
[15:24:25] <os1r1s> ReadError Most like the FPGA size.
[15:24:26] <enleth> Loetmichel: did it perform a controlled landing in the same spot?
[15:24:31] <Loetmichel> more or less
[15:24:45] <Loetmichel> but not before nearly kicking out my teeth
[15:25:00] <Loetmichel> luckily i had my face about 75cm above it ;)
[15:26:31] <Loetmichel> it was like that american professor in that pendulum experiment video... bur a LOT qucker ;)
[15:27:19] <Duc> I need to make up some ebay ads today for the old items off the mill
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[15:27:40] <Loetmichel> when finally installed in the brake disc grinder it could move the half a ton rotational table 1 meter back or forth in about a second... ;-)
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[15:28:18] <pink_vampire> Duc: why you replace the motor?
[15:28:23] <Loetmichel> never worked with such massive equipment afterwards
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[15:29:10] <Duc> pink_vampire: they were old motors that were slow and didnt like to do chip thinning and lost steps
[15:29:29] <Loetmichel> as in 1.5" diameter motor shafts and 80mm thick ballscrews and half a meter diameter diamond grinding wheels mounted on 11kW three phase motors...
[15:30:33] <pink_vampire> Duc: what is going to replace it?
[15:31:02] <enleth> Oh jeez, those BOSS steppers
[15:31:28] <enleth> They look totally like some old Soviet shit
[15:31:50] <Duc> yaskawa SGMJV 750 watt AC servo motors
[15:32:23] <pink_vampire> how much thay cost for motor + driver?
[15:32:59] <Loetmichel> enleth: soviets were paid by the tonnage in machines they put out on the "market"... hence the looks of soviet machinery ;)
[15:33:06] <Duc> before or after the screw up
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[15:33:55] <Duc> $150/motor, $180/servopack and another $450 wasted in ordering the wrong servo packs plus another $150 in shit cables from china
[15:34:45] <Duc> only doing 3 axis right now
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[15:49:50] <pink_vampire> very cheap!
[15:50:12] <pink_vampire> almost like my DC servos.
[15:50:35] <pink_vampire> it's new?
[15:52:18] <Duc> nah used new these things are pricey
[15:53:08] <Duc> if I was making money on the stuff then it would be different
[15:56:12] <pink_vampire> so this is why it's so cheap...
[15:56:40] <pink_vampire> I want anyting new
[15:56:48] <Duc> lol
[15:57:00] <Duc> what size are your servos
[15:59:16] <pink_vampire> nema34
[15:59:47] <pink_vampire> 1025oz/in
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[16:02:47] <pink_vampire> Duc: ^
[16:03:07] <Duc> hmmm time to find a way to rid me of the squealing from the motor
[16:03:21] <Duc> from automation technologies?
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[16:06:20] <archivist> get a driver which switches out of audible range
[16:07:12] <Duc> its only the y drive so far. Need to find the tuning parameter to change it
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[16:13:38] <archivist> been wanting to scratch this itch for a long time
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/wormtest/
[16:14:48] <_methods> you have worms?
[16:14:52] <archivist> moral of that story, never use random rotary to cut a precision gear
[16:15:19] <Duc> was this just off the shelf rotary with a motor added
[16:16:22] <archivist> no actually it is from an instrument drive with a 4 start worm
[16:16:51] <archivist> but I have seen some terrible rotaries
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[16:17:22] <archivist> the only low cost rotary I have seen with an angular spec is Vertex
[16:17:39] <Duc> wonder how good a koma is
[16:17:58] <archivist> next job is to use this test rig on my vertex
[16:20:02] <archivist> Duc, I first learned about testing rotaries when I had some gears rejected
[16:20:52] <Duc> so a shop had a cmm setup to check the gears?
[16:21:24] <archivist> no it was visible, did not need a cmm
[16:21:58] <Duc> dam
[16:22:22] <Duc> are your rotary tables originaly for cnc
[16:23:31] <archivist> you can use a digital vernier to measure division, span n teeth, set to 0 move around note any below 0 re 0 after continue for whole lap after last 0 you will see a peak value
[16:24:55] <archivist> Duc, no, I was at a clockmakers at the time, I measured all we had and could borrow, only one rotary from the 1940s was anything like quality
[16:25:30] <Duc> ah I would be curious how accurate a fadal or haas 4th axis is
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[16:25:37] <archivist> Vertex I have seems as good but not fully verified yet
[16:26:19] <archivist> only done the vernier test on a produced gear so far
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[16:27:27] <Duc> I forgot I had a vertex rotary table
[16:27:43] <Duc> just took that sucker off the table. Heavy as hell
[16:28:47] <archivist> mine has a ninety to one ratio, the crap stuff has a lot lower ratio
[16:29:26] <Duc> where is the ratio located on the rotary
[16:30:04] <archivist> rarely seen it printed on, usually have to count
[16:32:07] <Duc> 90 handle turns per full rotation?
[16:32:20] <archivist> yes
[16:33:20] <Duc> I think I also have the 90
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[16:34:27] <Duc> yep
[16:34:46] <Duc> yea motor squealing is gone after a auto tune
[16:34:47] <archivist> yet something like
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MECATECNICA-DIVIDING-HEAD-ROTARY-TABLE-/381479207322
[16:35:16] <archivist> is probably between 20 and 50 to one
[16:36:45] <Duc> Im not a fan of the mesh adjustment on the vertex wish it would stay set
[16:38:03] <archivist> that large one on ebay is a similar in/out of mesh
[16:38:34] <Duc> a collar by the handle?
[16:39:06] <archivist> it is that slot on one of the images with a lock nut
[16:39:28] <archivist> it rotates the worm out of mesh
[16:39:36] <Duc> let me grab a pic
[16:40:21] <archivist> the vertex rotates the worm as well, just the locking screw is different
[16:41:16] <Duc> it does rotate it out of mesh
[16:41:30] <Duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/20151228_104016_zpsd0t1mfds.jpg
[16:44:26] <archivist> I have the little one
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_01_20_cnc/P1200007.JPG
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[16:45:29] <Duc> that is tiny
[16:45:54] <archivist> for the small work I do, it can be too large
[16:47:11] <Duc> I wish mine was smaller due to weight
[16:48:28] <archivist> I got this scrap one and it too is a ball breaker
[16:49:09] <archivist> damage was coolant getting in and rusting the worm, has cleaned up a bit
[16:51:59] <Duc> how big is it
[16:52:50] <zeeshan> nice v-block z colume
[16:52:52] <zeeshan> column
[16:53:54] <Duc> so what do you use the column for in your rotary pic
[16:58:42] <archivist> that was waaaaaay back before the cnc got built, was just trying things for size
[17:00:31] <Duc> ah
[17:04:36] <Duc> what do you know about the 7i84 card
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[17:05:18] <archivist> nothing
[17:07:55] <Duc> pcw_home: Im still in the process of merging my hal and INI from 7i76 but seem to run into a snag with the 7i84 card. Mode 0 works fine but switching to mode 2 for the MPG i recieve these errors.
http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/Boss5%20servo/serial%20error_zpsbcm8arua.png
[17:09:14] <pcw_home> illegal remote mode
[17:09:50] <Duc> shouldnt the sserial_port_0=0200 to set for mode 2
[17:10:16] <Duc> 5i25 ==>> 7i77 then serial to 7i84
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[17:11:32] <Duc> referencing the old thread we had at
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/27-driver-boards/27742-7i84-software-mode-3
[17:11:46] <pcw_home> possibly old firmware in 7I84
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[17:12:21] <pcw_home> needs V14 firmware for MPG IICRC
[17:12:56] <Duc> odd since I just had it working iwth the 7i76 system
[17:13:12] <pcw_home> wrong channel I think
[17:13:30] <Duc> yea sorry its on channel 2 now for some reason
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[17:14:04] <pcw_home> The expansion channel is 2 on the 7I77 (vs 1 on the 7I76)
[17:14:30] <Duc> ok. I guess most poeple dont switch from a 7i76 to 7i77
[17:14:30] <pcw_home> so: sserial_port_0=002000
[17:15:28] <pcw_home> so you were trying to set the analog output part of the 7I77 to mode 2 (but it only supports mode 0)
[17:15:54] <Duc> lol glad I couldnt do damage with that
[17:16:10] <TAPit> Does HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS = YES work? When placed into x.ini into the appropriate axis - does not seem to.
[17:17:02] <Duc> pcw_home: thanks for the help again. the wait for the parts was worth it
[17:22:43] <pcw_home> NP I realize the sserial stuff is pretty obscure (and has way too many error messages after the important one)
[17:25:34] <Duc> its not really talked about much on the forum. now to find why the axis isnt moving with the mpg
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[17:31:25] <maxcnc> hi all ;-)
[17:32:12] <Duc> hows it going
[17:32:59] <maxcnc> duc mpg ?
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[17:33:53] <maxcnc> TAPit: did you setup your mashine homing no
[17:34:25] <maxcnc> now
[17:35:31] <maxcnc> its lacy here as familie is off to holiday and i do shop cleaning and littel but good orders for special people
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[17:41:41] <Duc> maxcnc: Manual pulse generator. jog wheel
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[17:43:57] <Duc> got it working forgot I had the encoder line commented out
[17:44:29] <maxcnc> Duc: how do you select the axis for the whees and do you use some different scales
[17:44:37] <TAPit> maxcnc - thanks - HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS does not work but someone has added code so that if on a limit there is a checkbox in the axis gui to disarm it - no one updated the docs though
[17:44:45] <maxcnc> outsch! Duc
[17:45:43] <maxcnc> TAPit: it seams that you got homeoffset and home to zero then it can not work
[17:45:58] <Duc> maxcnc: I have a massive control panel that has a rotary for which axis to select
[17:46:01] <Duc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/27-driver-boards/27742-7i84-software-mode-3
[17:46:09] <maxcnc> homeoffset zero and home for XY 0.1 Z-0.1
[17:46:12] <Duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/20140427_154530_zpsrg0mpczc.jpg
[17:46:55] <TAPit> maxcnc - not sure what you are saying - but was able to make it work using Override Limits checkbox
[17:47:08] <maxcnc> cool duc i got easy and took a hb04
[17:47:58] <maxcnc> TAPit: if your home is zero the same as the switch it is always pressed so why then ignore limits as you sit on it makes no sence
[17:48:43] <maxcnc> HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS workes pretty good if your homing setup is ok
[17:50:24] <Duc> when did those come out?
[17:50:53] <maxcnc> duc context
[17:51:00] <maxcnc> missing
[17:51:10] <TAPit> maxcnc - I have separate home and limit switches - the machine 'rests' when powered down and the z limit switch is active on power up - thereby needing a IGNORE_LIMIT_ON_HOME scenario. Which does not work in what ever version I am using (2.6.4 at least that is the version shown on AXIS gui)
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[17:52:06] <Duc> maxcnc: Not sure I had seen those when I built the panel. I know they were out for Mach3 2 years ago
[17:52:33] <maxcnc> tel me the values of HOME and HomeOffset as well as HomeFinalVelo onZ Axis please TAPit
[17:53:09] <maxcnc> Duc: wiki tells its working since 2.4
[17:53:22] <maxcnc> im on 2.5.2
[17:53:48] <Duc> maxcnc: that would have been easier then the panel
[17:54:02] <maxcnc> hacked into the component so the icons now work fine
[17:54:30] <maxcnc> duc i also put up 3 increments for wheel and buttonpress movements
[17:55:07] <maxcnc> so i can choos with one button wheel mpg or highspeed liniar button press movement
[17:55:19] <maxcnc> real cool
[17:55:22] <Duc> I need to find one my is not tying the jog speed for the wheel to what I have sent for machine jog
[17:56:07] <maxcnc> ,ake a muxselector within between
[17:56:56] <maxcnc> i realy like to do hal complicatings
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[17:58:45] <Duc> yea I have a fairly large mux tables for the panel
[17:59:15] <maxcnc> is always fun to put them togeter with logics
[17:59:55] <maxcnc> real cool also are this 5USD Xbox conrolers with 12Buttons and analog ...
[18:01:11] <ReadError> hey pcw_home what exactly do I need cable wise to use a daughterboard on the 7i76e, I see it has 2x 26pin connectors
[18:01:48] <ReadError> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=74_80&product_id=285
[18:01:56] <pcw_home> 26 pin header to DB25M (skip pin 26 on DB25)
[18:04:08] <ReadError> hmm do yall sell them?
[18:06:14] <maxcnc> every PC store got them
[18:06:42] <maxcnc> its the HP printer motherbord out
[18:07:58] <maxcnc> SpeedEvil: waterlevels still high
[18:08:13] <SpeedEvil> maxcnc: err?
[18:08:17] * SpeedEvil is not awke
[18:08:48] <maxcnc> kay has been out in the mud the hole day
[18:09:25] <maxcnc> <- watching skynews the hole day to boost his english
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[18:10:57] <SpeedEvil> Whole = complete. Hole = where something removed
[18:11:16] <maxcnc> ah learning his lessens
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[18:11:48] <SpeedEvil> Congrats.
[18:12:08] <Duc> maxcnc: what is your native lang
[18:12:15] <maxcnc> German
[18:12:36] <Duc> your english is better than mine I think
[18:13:08] <maxcnc> 2years now in as shop overtaken
[18:13:45] <maxcnc> ok school is out not that long ago
[18:14:49] <maxcnc> it is only practise i guess
[18:15:04] <maxcnc> 1 more good point to be here
[18:16:25] <maxcnc> did we lost tapit
[18:16:39] <Duc> it is lunch time in the us
[18:16:55] <maxcnc> what part are you
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[18:18:04] <TAPit> maxcnc - thank you but I was able to make it work
[18:18:34] <maxcnc> its ok but i still think there is somthing wrong at your setup
[18:18:59] <maxcnc> can you post your ini
[18:19:20] <maxcnc> paste
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[18:22:37] <aventtini6> hy guys
[18:22:45] <maxcnc> ;-)
[18:23:01] <maxcnc> are you the guy that modifes a mh500c
[18:23:18] <aventtini6> yes
[18:23:20] <aventtini6> http://imgur.com/a/DT3LQ
[18:23:22] <maxcnc> cool
[18:23:25] <aventtini6> guys
[18:23:50] <aventtini6> today it was a hell of a day
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[18:24:13] <aventtini6> i have tested and tested and the machine is not making a perfect cycle
[18:24:13] <maxcnc> always ut to yourself
[18:24:26] <aventtini6> :)))
[18:24:45] <maxcnc> on the mh500
[18:24:47] <aventtini6> i have made some experiments with the mikron
[18:24:56] <aventtini6> and now i cant get it to work the same
[18:24:57] <aventtini6> :))
[18:25:08] <aventtini6> no maho im waitng for mesa
[18:25:10] <aventtini6> :(((
[18:26:08] <maxcnc> the graphics or the real part
[18:27:03] <aventtini6> i made the right tuning on the servos and 100% that means 1200mm/m
[18:27:17] <aventtini6> its make a shortcut
[18:27:29] <aventtini6> machine has 4000mm/m
[18:27:52] <maxcnc> you dont have G64 in the code or setup
[18:28:07] <aventtini6> its a spiral profile
[18:28:24] <aventtini6> i think maybe CPU is slow ?
[18:29:35] <aventtini6> now max velocity is 50 that means 4000mm/m and acceleration is 30 mm/s
[18:29:47] <maxcnc> makes no sence you woudt get a following error then
[18:30:19] <aventtini6> ferror is 1 and min is 0.4
[18:30:43] <aventtini6> but on the image is mabye 4mm
[18:31:02] <aventtini6> of shortcut but only one direction
[18:31:23] <maxcnc> did you check the backlash
[18:31:52] <aventtini6> yes its 0.02mm
[18:33:16] <aventtini6> im out of ideeas
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[18:33:55] <maxcnc> what are this errors in the image
[18:33:59] <aventtini6> but if i go to 50% feed it works ok
[18:34:29] <aventtini6> its not giving any errors
[18:34:49] <aventtini6> there are some test there are no relevant errors
[18:35:27] <aventtini6> question is why is only in one direction
[18:36:30] <aventtini6> 50% is 650mm\mm
[18:37:40] <maxcnc> did yu epeat that 50% move more then once
[18:39:37] <aventtini6> yes and it make a corect cut
[18:40:01] <aventtini6> if it was a backslash it must make same error on a lower feedrate
[18:40:08] <Jymmm> Can it make a square?
[18:40:46] <aventtini6> did not try it
[18:41:25] <Jymmm> two squares; one normal, and another at 45 degree (diamond)
[18:41:26] <aventtini6> i did make some injection molds on this machine and get the best precision
[18:42:11] <aventtini6> if you see the first pic its 150% feed and it dont make a shortcut
[18:42:17] <aventtini6> but on helical
[18:42:21] <aventtini6> it makes
[18:43:22] <aventtini6> if it was a mechanical error it must make a follwing error
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[18:46:47] <aventtini6> it can be post procesor problem ?
[18:46:49] <aventtini6> or cpu
[18:50:03] <maxcnc> did you try the one line helix
[18:50:51] <aventtini6> Fabrikat: MIKRON
[18:50:51] <aventtini6> Type: WF 51 C
[18:50:51] <aventtini6> Baujahr: 1986
[18:50:52] <aventtini6> Verfahrweg: x-800 y-500 z-460 mm
[18:50:52] <aventtini6> Drehzahlen: 31,5 – 3150 U/min
[18:50:52] <aventtini6> Pinolenweg: 90 mm
[18:50:52] <aventtini6> Steuerung: TNC 155 Heidenhain
[18:50:53] <aventtini6> 18-Fach-Werkzeugwechsler, ISO 40
[18:51:14] <aventtini6> rapid is 3150 right?
[18:51:38] <aventtini6> now there must be a feed working max
[18:51:40] <aventtini6> right ?
[18:52:21] <aventtini6> if it works on 650mm/m its to low right?
[18:53:14] <maxcnc> die drehzahlen haben nichts mit dem vorschub zu tun
[18:53:52] <maxcnc> g1 x64 y0 F100
[18:53:54] <maxcnc> z1
[18:53:55] <maxcnc> g2 x64 y0 I-11 j0 z-15 p30 f150
[18:54:11] <aventtini6> i cant spk german
[18:54:14] <aventtini6> sorry
[18:54:37] <maxcnc> oh the posts are german ;-)
[18:54:57] <maxcnc> this is the spindel speed not the feedrate 3150
[18:55:15] <aventtini6> this tells me some how my speed is to big
[18:55:22] <aventtini6> spindle is 6000
[18:55:52] <maxcnc> tha data above saying only 3150 max
[18:55:53] <aventtini6> X / Y / Z 800/500/460 mm
[18:55:53] <aventtini6> Control Heidenhain TNC 150
[18:55:53] <aventtini6> Speed 31.5 - 3150 U / min
[18:55:53] <aventtini6> Feed 1 - 3000 mm / min
[18:55:53] <aventtini6> Rapid traverse 6000 mm / min
[18:55:53] <aventtini6> Clamping area 1000 x 500 mm
[18:55:53] <aventtini6> Recording ISO 40
[18:55:54] <aventtini6> Quill stroke 90 mm
[18:55:54] <aventtini6> Drive power 10.5 kW / 50 Hz / 25 A
[18:55:55] <aventtini6> Dimensions 220 x 270 x 235 cm
[18:55:55] <aventtini6> With lots of accessories
[18:55:56] <aventtini6> Operation Hrs. 12.085
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[18:57:13] <maxcnc> can you check the g2 x64 y0 I-11 j0 z-15 p30 f150
[18:57:41] <aventtini6> im home
[18:57:43] <aventtini6> :(
[18:59:58] <maxcnc> ok im off News in TV BYE
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[19:00:45] <aventtini6> byby
[19:00:47] <aventtini6> :)
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[21:06:02] <Jymmm> On the HVAC unit in the back there is a 24" fan. I want to put a "lid" on it so instead of blowing straight up, to blow at a right angle. How high would I have to make the risers so that is does not add any load to the fan?
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[21:07:00] <Jymmm> Well, not right angle, but out the sides (all around).
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[21:07:24] <Jymmm> lol
[21:07:31] <Jymmm> why neverbuya_subaru?
[21:07:45] <Tom_itx> 200'
[21:08:19] <Tom_itx> zeeshan!!
[21:08:27] <Tom_itx> cause he blew it up
[21:08:40] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: snow covers the fan, then the defrost cycle kicks in, melts then refreezes, lather rinse repeat.
[21:09:00] <Tom_itx> make a cone instead of a flat reflector
[21:09:13] <Jymmm> like a ''V" ?
[21:09:25] <Tom_itx> \/
[21:09:41] <Jymmm> that wont prevent snow from falling on the fan
[21:09:44] <Tom_itx> --
[21:09:47] <Tom_itx> \/
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[21:10:36] <Jymmm> The "cover" will be about 36" diameter, I'm thinking 12-18" risers
[21:12:08] <Jymmm> It'll also have the benefit of blowing off water/snow/leaves/pine needles from the top of the HVAC unit.
[21:13:01] <Tom_itx> and directing the hot air back into the inlet
[21:14:35] <Jymmm> Maybe, but the fan hitting refrozen iciciles isn't good either
[21:14:58] <Jymmm> you can see dents in the fan blades
[21:15:36] <malcom2073> So, I spent $300 on a new brake booster, had to be custom ordered. Get it in, and it's broken. That's so nice of them, pre-breaking it for me
[21:15:38] <Jymmm> I can also take it off in the spring for AC usage
[21:16:10] <Jymmm> malcom2073: for?
[21:16:17] <malcom2073> Jymmm: My expedition.
[21:16:24] <Jymmm> malcom2073: what year?
[21:16:26] <malcom2073> They're ordering another one, it should come in tomorrow, but damnit I wanted to be finished today lol
[21:16:27] <malcom2073> Jymmm: 2004
[21:16:36] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Why you googling for it? :P
[21:16:42] <malcom2073> 2004, 5.4, w/ESP
[21:16:43] <Jymmm> malcom2073: why was it special order (I have a 2001) ?
[21:16:55] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Because they didn't stock it, not sure why
[21:17:03] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Who?
[21:17:25] <malcom2073> Autozone, but I heard the same story from advance auto, napa, and a local parts store too
[21:17:29] <malcom2073> autozone was cheapest though
[21:17:44] <malcom2073> 2001 is the previous generation, so likely different
[21:18:01] <malcom2073> Also, if you don't have traction control, it cuts the cost by 70%
[21:19:02] <Jymmm> I dont
[21:19:08] <Jymmm> $114
[21:19:12] <Jymmm> "call store"
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[21:19:25] <malcom2073> Heh
[21:19:38] <malcom2073> Mine started hissing not long ago
[21:19:48] <malcom2073> throws a checkengine light due to the vacuume leak
[21:19:50] <Jymmm> I saw a filter
[21:20:02] <Jymmm> on autozone website
[21:20:22] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Re your HVAC: I've seen units with lids about 12" off of them around here
[21:20:29] <malcom2073> Snow lids I mean
[21:20:52] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Ah ok, cool. Makes sense (height = half diameter)
[21:21:07] <Jymmm> malcom2073: what material did they use?
[21:21:10] <malcom2073> Unsure of the logic behind it, just reporting what I've seen :P
[21:21:28] <malcom2073> Haven't looked closely, I'd imagine sheet metal with a reinforcement rib
[21:21:39] <Tom_itx> just get a snow 'saucer' for sledding and when it quits snowing you can multi purpose it
[21:22:04] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: When it's snowing, it be on the HVAC =)
[21:22:19] <Tom_itx> and when it quits you can go play in it
[21:22:26] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: good idea though, I'll have to see how cheap they area
[21:22:33] <Jymmm> are*
[21:22:51] <Jymmm> and who the hell sells them
[21:22:59] <malcom2073> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KqXDJH6HP6k/maxresdefault.jpg
[21:23:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.homedepot.com/p/ESP-26-in-Snow-Caterpillar-Saucer-2910/203722025
[21:23:20] <Jymmm> malcom2073: oh geeze, that's huge monster!
[21:23:29] <malcom2073> Lol
[21:23:34] <malcom2073> That was found on a google search
[21:23:44] <malcom2073> The covers I've seen have been more like this:
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54b54003e4b0d13d04005a50/t/54bc1b4ee4b0276f663b133b/1421613911381/Close-cover-up3.png?format=1500w
[21:23:56] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Yeah, and won't last a season before rotting out =)
[21:24:16] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Call your HVAC service guy
[21:24:18] <malcom2073> ask for advice?
[21:24:29] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I AM the hvac service guy =)
[21:24:57] <Tom_itx> get a Chebby Chase 'PRO' version for $45:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P8FAXLS/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3/181-4249182-3973262?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_r=0MS1AKJBE0848TNCA2ZZ&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=1944687742&pf_rd_i=B001NDIZIM
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[21:25:05] <Jymmm> malcom2073: the only thing I dont like about that strapped cover is it adds a bit of a load to the fan
[21:25:19] <malcom2073> It would, I assume you use it as a heat pump in the winter?
[21:25:31] <Jymmm> malcom2073: sadly, yes.
[21:25:35] <malcom2073> That's unfortunate
[21:25:43] <malcom2073> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c3/df/26/c3df265259dafe4662dcb659d940f5bb.jpg
[21:25:44] <malcom2073> I like that
[21:25:48] <malcom2073> That, + like 10 inches
[21:26:12] <malcom2073> It would load the fan slightly, but I'd be more concerned about the lack of airflow than fan loading
[21:26:26] <Jymmm> malcom2073: The Big Buddy backup heater we got is running right now as supplimental, it DRAMATICALLY reduces the run time and mostly eliminates the defrist cycles.
[21:27:09] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Yeah, that's way too low imo. It be 12" minimum
[21:27:45] <Jymmm> I have a 48" sheet of PVC, just wanted to save that for other uses =)
[21:28:21] <malcom2073> I like the dish sled idea
[21:28:36] <Jymmm> I do too, especially if HDPE
[21:28:44] <Jymmm> but not for $40
[21:29:07] <malcom2073> Well if you're going to be ghetto-cheap about it,
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KqXDJH6HP6k/maxresdefault.jpg
[21:30:04] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I'm custom making a PVC tubing frame that will attach to the grill screws, then cut this to size
http://www.homedepot.com/p/PLASTEX-1-16-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-Plastic-Panel-63003/202090190
[21:30:14] <SpeedEvil> earth tube is a great addition
[21:30:19] <malcom2073> Not a bad idea
[21:30:20] <SpeedEvil> but that needs actual significant work
[21:30:32] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: wth is an "earth tube" ?
[21:30:46] <SpeedEvil> You run the intake through a large buried pipe
[21:30:52] <Jymmm> ah
[21:30:57] <SpeedEvil> buried a couple of meters down
[21:31:04] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: At that rated, I'd go for geotherma instead.
[21:31:14] <SpeedEvil> that is geotehrmal
[21:31:20] <Jymmm> heat pumps sucks donkey dicks, period.
[21:31:31] <SpeedEvil> well - it depends on the design
[21:31:40] <XXCoder> Jymmm: curved vent would redirect with less load on fan I'd think
[21:31:41] <Jymmm> Depends on the climate.
[21:31:45] <SpeedEvil> decent ones are specified down to really quite low temps
[21:31:56] <SpeedEvil> and good performance (at mildly reduced output)
[21:32:04] <SpeedEvil> As in 2.5:1@-20C in
[21:32:14] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: newer ones are yes. but gas fired to suppliment/replace are much better
[21:32:35] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: -30 actually =)
[21:32:44] <SpeedEvil> Depends on the relative price of gas and electricity
[21:32:55] <SpeedEvil> (gas burners are of course way cheaper to buy)
[21:33:05] <Jymmm> electric is the MOST expensive heat there is
[21:33:29] <SpeedEvil> Electric heatpump is cheaper than gas, for good heatpumps here
[21:33:53] <Jymmm> try to power one off a generator less than 10KW
[21:34:03] <SpeedEvil> sure
[21:34:11] <Jymmm> You cant
[21:34:35] <SpeedEvil> Depends on the size - and inverter heatpumps start slower
[21:34:51] <Jymmm> When it goes into defrost, the electric elements kick in, and 10KW aint enough
[21:35:01] <anomynous> Jymmm, oil?
[21:35:10] <SpeedEvil> Some (mine) defrosts by reverse cycling
[21:35:26] <Jymmm> anomynous: Not an option aroudn these parts.
[21:35:44] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: They all do, but that makes int the inside codl, so the elements kick in
[21:36:11] <SpeedEvil> no elements
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[21:36:25] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Are you 100% sure about that?
[21:36:30] <SpeedEvil> yes
[21:36:48] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Brand/model #? I'd like to see this.
[21:36:52] <SpeedEvil> I need to get it installed - but I need to get the house fully insulated first, which is taking forever
[21:37:07] <SpeedEvil> It is a small heatpump. Mitsubishi inverter one.
[21:37:15] <SpeedEvil> I forget the model, and I'd have to dig - sorry
[21:38:05] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I have TWO breakers for my HVAC... one is for the elements alone at 50A, the other is for the fans, compressor, electronis.
[21:39:12] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I think you have a "ductless" unit
[21:39:28] <SpeedEvil> This is a split very small unit.
[21:39:43] <SpeedEvil> ~2.5kW thermal output.
[21:39:46] <Jymmm> yeah, no ducts. just a long box on the inside wall, and a small box outside.
[21:39:57] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: how many BTU's?
[21:40:03] <SpeedEvil> 2.5-3kW
[21:40:10] <Jymmm> Not KW, BTU
[21:40:31] <SpeedEvil> I have no idea
[21:41:06] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I would look it up if I were you. KW have no bearing, but BTU's will give you the real capabilities
[21:41:23] <Jymmm> then you can compare BTU per KW
[21:41:28] <Jymmm> if you ever wanted to
[21:42:17] <Jymmm> Electricity is about 3800BTU per KW
[21:42:31] <SpeedEvil> yes, stuff here is not sold in BTU
[21:42:48] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: ALL heaters have BTU ratings
[21:42:54] <SpeedEvil> I'm in the UK.
[21:43:05] <Jymmm> Ah, 1KW/hr = 3413 BTU
[21:43:09] <SpeedEvil> BTU is at most very small print
[21:43:16] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Um, BTU = BRITISH Thermal Units =)
[21:43:23] <SpeedEvil> yes, and we don't use them
[21:44:33] <Jymmm> http://www.mitsubishicomfort.com/products/single-room/product-listing/wall-mount-deluxe
[21:45:22] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I highly doubt that, though it might not be in bold print, it's there.
[21:45:59] <Jymmm> might be SEER
[21:46:27] <Jymmm> 18K BTU ~= 600sq feet
[21:46:38] <SpeedEvil> We also don't use square feet.
[21:46:54] <Jymmm> meters, what ever
[21:47:13] <SpeedEvil> Air conditioning more often quotes BTU, gas boilers/electric heaters never do
[21:47:55] <SpeedEvil> http://www.orionairsales.co.uk/mitsubishi-srk-zmx-wall-air-conditioning-hyper-inverter-13-c.asp
[21:48:16] <SpeedEvil> http://www.orionairsales.co.uk/mitsubishi-heavy-industries-air-conditioning-srk25zmx-s-25-kw--10000-btu-hyper-inverter-heat-pump-240v50hz-18-p.asp - quite small
[21:48:39] <Jymmm> Says right there first thing... 9900 Btu
[21:49:18] <SpeedEvil> Right. BTU is not a commonly used unit for anything other than AC, so most people aren't familar with it - as AC is very rare
[21:49:41] <renesis> you dont live in california
[21:49:47] <SpeedEvil> Quite.
[21:50:11] <Jymmm> or AZ or NV or NM =)
[21:50:22] <SpeedEvil> it's only relatively recently that heat-pumps have gotten good enough to beat gas for heating significantly
[21:50:58] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I'm at 3000 ft in the forest, power goes out for days at a time
[21:51:00] <SpeedEvil> For cooling, I think I probably needed it maybe 2 weeks in the last decade, maybe 3
[22:09:02] <Jymmm> malcom2073: FWIW I have the 2001 service manuals
[22:09:38] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Electircal is a dead tree version though.
[22:10:04] <malcom2073> the 2001 is significantly different from the 2004 unfortunatly heh
[22:10:17] <malcom2073> Unlucky for me, the 2004 is a bastard year, 2005 is different too
[22:10:35] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Ah, you have a BT code reader?
[22:10:46] <malcom2073> yeah
[22:10:48] <Jymmm> k
[22:11:04] <Jymmm> malcom2073: android?
[22:11:53] <Jymmm> BTU Content of Common Fuels
http://www.exothink.com/Pages/btu.html
[22:12:06] <Jymmm> I have info on various woods too
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[22:13:39] <malcom2073> Jymmm: I have one, but I typically use my tablet with some PC software
[22:13:46] <Jymmm> anomynous: how much is heating oil ?
[22:14:10] <Jymmm> malcom2073: but android based, yes?
[22:14:28] <malcom2073> Jymmm: No, Windows
[22:14:45] <malcom2073> I have an android tablet too, I've used Torque, but I prefer my own software on both that, and my windows tablet heh
[22:14:55] <Jymmm> malcom2073: what SW ?
[22:15:05] <Jymmm> and why (over torque) ?
[22:15:18] <malcom2073> Jymmm: OBDroid on android, and OBDToolBox on the PC
[22:15:28] <Jymmm> Why?
[22:15:33] <malcom2073> A: because I wrote it, and B: because it handles error codes much better, remembering old codes, etc
[22:15:46] <malcom2073> keeping a log of error codes and clears, etc
[22:16:00] <Jymmm> you wrote what?
[22:16:07] <malcom2073> The softwares I use
[22:16:18] <Jymmm> you mentioned two, which did you write?
[22:16:25] <malcom2073> Both
[22:16:50] <Jymmm> dont look windows to me...
http://obdtoolbox.sourceforge.net/images/Screenshot.png
[22:17:08] <malcom2073> Cross platform beotch :P
[22:17:11] <malcom2073> Win/Linux/OSX
[22:17:27] <Jymmm> and you stuck with M$?! What a LUSER!!!
[22:17:51] * Jymmm snickers
[22:18:14] <malcom2073> Heh
[22:18:18] <malcom2073> Right tool, for the right job
[22:18:23] <Jymmm> malcom2073: no ODB one?
[22:18:23] <malcom2073> Being a tool, you should know that ;)
[22:18:29] <malcom2073> Unsure what ODB is?
[22:18:41] <Jymmm> Windows is NEVER the right tool =)
[22:18:53] <malcom2073> Spoken by someone blinded by preconcieved notions
[22:18:59] <Jymmm> just a necessary evil at times, thus VM's were created =)
[22:19:01] <malcom2073> s/by/like
[22:19:13] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Hardly
[22:19:26] <malcom2073> When evil is the right tool, then evil is good
[22:19:32] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I've done M$ since MS-DOS 3.31
[22:21:41] <Tom_itx> 2.0
[22:21:43] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Here, do this
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B013F4VN3A/
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[22:21:53] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: But do you still have a workign copy?
[22:22:01] <malcom2073> Jymmm: It's like... tshirt weather
[22:22:33] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Oh yeah, 81F for you
[22:22:39] <Tom_itx> 6.22
[22:22:55] <Tom_itx> i'd have to look and see if i still have 2.0
[22:23:03] <malcom2073> 81F would be no shirt weather :P
[22:23:19] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Do you know the difference between 6.20, 6.21, and 6.22 ?
[22:23:44] <Tom_itx> 6.22 was the last
[22:24:04] <Jymmm> lol
[22:24:26] <Jymmm> sorts, was only found in W95 at 7.0
[22:24:30] <Jymmm> as*
[22:24:46] <Jymmm> anyhow, I gotta hit the store bbl.
[22:24:54] <Tom_itx> found win 3.1
[22:27:00] <JT-Shop-> I still have 6.22
[22:27:18] <Tom_itx> i still use 6.22
[22:27:34] <Tom_itx> can't find 2.0
[22:28:15] <Tom_itx> not gonna look anymore either
[22:29:55] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop-, finally quit raining?
[22:30:27] <Tom_itx> we got enough ice to keep the body shops in business
[22:30:30] <Tom_itx> that's about it
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[22:45:17] <JT-Shop-> yea a couple of hours ago
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[22:58:02] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:59:08] <CaptHindsight> nice ice and sleet storm we are having here
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[23:04:28] <bensbenz> Hi, can anyone possibly help me with my lathe and a step and dir spindle?
[23:05:47] <JT-Shop-> we just ask the question here
[23:06:55] <bensbenz> Ok, I have a C41 board that converts step and dir to pwm for my spindle speed and dir.
[23:07:23] <bensbenz> I got it to go cw and ccw but I cant seem to figure out the speed
[23:08:01] <bensbenz> it will only just barely turn on, cant seem to get it to speed up or slow down
[23:08:26] <JT-Shop-> how did you connect spindle speed to your stepgen?
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[23:08:55] <bensbenz> I followed this post:
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/10-advanced-conf
[23:09:36] <JT-Shop-> that is a category link
[23:09:51] <bensbenz> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/10-advanced-configuration/11151-adding-a-c6-speed-control-board?limitstart=0#11151
[23:10:12] <JT-Shop-> lol that is my post
[23:10:19] <bensbenz> haha
[23:10:26] <bensbenz> well then your the man :)
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[23:10:45] <JT-Shop-> Jul 2011
[23:11:10] <bensbenz> Yes, not sure if that would still apply to 2.7.3
[23:11:31] <JT-Shop-> it should be the same for 2.7
[23:11:32] <bensbenz> and if I needed to change anything to the ini as well as the hal
[23:11:48] <JT-Shop-> have you used the Show Hal configuration before?
[23:12:14] <bensbenz> I poked around but Im a newb, tired of ruining parts in mach3
[23:12:51] <bensbenz> Not sure if it helps diagnose, but I also get a brief CCW spin when starting up
[23:12:51] <os1r1s> Tom_itx What do you think of the PM-25MV compared to a G0704?
[23:13:24] <JT-Shop-> are you using Axis?
[23:14:14] <bensbenz> yes
[23:14:43] <JT-Shop-> Machine > Show Hal Configuration
[23:15:00] <enleth> Installing a steam game, got a "There was an error loading this EULA" on the license agreement screen. I clicked "I Agree", I couldn't not, there indeed was an error.
[23:15:14] <JT-Shop-> find the pins and click on the watch window and click on the pins to add them, now you can see what they are doing
[23:15:46] <Duc> enleth: I believe you have to scroll down thru the agreeemnet
[23:16:12] <enleth> Duc: the message was one line long, there wasn't anything to scroll, so the button was immediately enabled
[23:16:20] <Duc> lol
[23:16:56] <enleth> I wonder what I agreed to, I guess a good lawyer could actually maintain that I agreed to an error being there and I'm not bound by the EULA
[23:16:58] <bensbenz> Ok should i be watching the pins under parport?
[23:17:19] <bensbenz> I can see it turn on and off
[23:17:26] <bensbenz> for the CW CCW
[23:17:34] <enleth> archivist: regarding your rotary table test: do you think it makes any sense to buy a shit rotary table and make it less shit by replacing the gearing?
[23:17:52] <JT-Shop-> look at your stepgen velocity cmd
[23:20:10] <bensbenz> ok, I can see it going up and down as I click + and - but the motor speed doesnt actually do anything
[23:21:05] <bensbenz> its interesting, I have the step set to pin 16 and i never see that one blink, not sure if that matters
[23:21:44] <JT-Shop-> prob too fast to see
[23:22:21] <bensbenz> ah
[23:22:38] <JT-Shop-> look at the steps and see if they increase in speed as you hit the +
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[23:25:42] <bensbenz> ok so stepgen.2.counts increases as the spindle spins, and stepgen.2.velocity-cmd increases and decreases as I press + and -
[23:27:26] <JT-Shop> yes
[23:32:56] <enleth> there goes another crazy idea: use a Kinect looking at the worktable to overlay part and annotation renderings onto actual image of the part being machined
[23:39:54] <toastydeath> enleth, re: gearing, if you're able to remake the gears properly, I don't see why not - but most people can't
[23:41:53] <toastydeath> rotabs are not, in general, a fantastic idea - they're sort of a last resort, so I'd first ask "what's the intended purpose"
[23:43:52] <toastydeath> if you can use a divding head or sine/microsine table it's almost always better
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[23:47:49] <toastydeath> as an unrelated side question, has anyone ever used a data/pulse pattern generator
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[23:53:08] <enleth> toastydeath: if I understand correrctly, a rotary table can move during milling while a dividing head works with fixed positions (however many), is that a correct premise for further discussion?
[23:53:18] <toastydeath> yup, for sure
[23:54:37] <enleth> and even though a "rotary table" suggests a mounting plate parallel to the worktable and a dividing head - something looking more like a lathe headstock (possibly used with a tailstock), both can in principle be mounted vertically or horizontally, right?
[23:55:43] <toastydeath> yup
[23:56:44] <toastydeath> (but that also applies to the other types of angular thingy - almost all can be mounted vertically and horizontally)
[23:57:20] <enleth> Well, then, I've seen chinese rotary tables and indexing tables/heads that look absolutely identical save for the motor or a mechanical dividing plate being mounted at the side
[23:57:31] <enleth> Should I assume that they're just worst of both world?
[23:58:02] <enleth> I mean, knowing the chinese, the internal worm gearing is probably identical
[23:58:47] <toastydeath> sort of
[23:59:02] <toastydeath> the ratios tend to be wildly different, and the actual type of gear/how it's profiled are different
[23:59:09] <toastydeath> which makes a difference in power under cut vs accuracyt
[23:59:10] <toastydeath> -t
[23:59:20] <enleth> ah, OK
[23:59:32] <toastydeath> the actual casting is similar
