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[00:23:26] <Duc> Anyone on that knows a little bit about tuning a AC servo
[00:26:01] <Duc> Having issues with large f-error when the drive is tracking
[00:31:05] <Duc> PCW: Would any jumper setting on the 7i77 board cause a large f-error when tuning a drive
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[00:38:07] <pcw_home> no
[00:38:39] <pcw_home> tuning velocity mode drives is mostly done with FF1
[00:40:18] <pcw_home> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/servo.html
[00:43:28] <Duc> pcw_home: Ok I will have to play some more with the drive and post some pics
[00:44:14] <Duc> pcw_home: The f-error climbs fast then the drive reverse to fix the error
[00:44:50] <Duc> after the position cmd ends
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[00:46:34] <pcw_home> if you consider a well tuned velocity mode drive, FF1 is 95% of the tuning
[00:48:39] <pcw_home> with too much FF1 the position leads the command, with too little, the position lags the command
[00:49:31] <pcw_home> so basically all tuning is done with FF1 and P (typically no need for D or I)
[00:50:12] <pcw_home> ( note that torque mode drive tuning is quite different )
[00:51:30] <Duc> ok I will give it a shot later on
[00:51:39] <Duc> thank you for the hlep
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[01:09:03] <pink_vampire> hi
[01:10:33] <pink_vampire> what is the best method to mark a wire in the panel?
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[01:13:11] <malcom2073> I use heat shrink labels for marking wires
[01:13:53] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: hoe is it look like?
[01:14:23] <pink_vampire> how*
[01:14:27] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: ^
[01:14:33] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: http://i.stack.imgur.com/JN7Jx.jpg
[01:14:42] <malcom2073> Except you can hand-write them too in fine tip sharpie before shrinking too
[01:14:57] <malcom2073> The printers for them are stupid expensive, but the labels themselves aren't terrible
[01:15:03] <os1r1s> MattoMatic Thats pretty awesome
[01:15:06] <os1r1s> malcom2073 ^
[01:15:21] <os1r1s> malcom2073 What printer does that?
[01:16:01] <malcom2073> os1r1s: An expensive one.
[01:16:03] <pink_vampire> I see the clip wire markers.. but i can't see any that come with letters.
[01:16:19] <pink_vampire> I have few here, but just numbers.
[01:16:32] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: I get the blank labels and write on them myself
[01:16:59] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: but it's not look nice..
[01:17:08] <pink_vampire> I want to do it like a pro.
[01:17:10] <malcom2073> It's fine if you write neatly :P
[01:17:38] <pink_vampire> http://www.cablectrix.com/library/1/images/products/Cable%20Management/WIC-clip-on-wire-markers.jpg
[01:18:05] <malcom2073> Eh, that's annoying though, you gotta keep a lookup sheet
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[01:19:21] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: this is why I want to get them with letters.
[01:19:57] <malcom2073> I wonder if you could use a letter stamp
[01:20:00] <malcom2073> on them
[01:20:05] <os1r1s> malcom2073 Looks like the dymo 4200 will do it for $45
[01:20:29] <malcom2073> os1r1s: I'd not looked into seeing if there were cheap options, that's actually fantastic
[01:20:41] <pink_vampire> i have the ql-700 printer
[01:21:10] <malcom2073> The printer we have at work hooks to the PC, and takes giant rolls of labels, it was something like $2-3k new
[01:21:36] <malcom2073> "Directly on heat shrink tubes", yep looks liek the 4200 may be the way to go pink_vampire
[01:22:37] <os1r1s> malcom2073 A 5 ft roll of heatshrink is $20, but that goes a long way
[01:22:38] <pink_vampire> my printer can print flags, and roll cover labels,
[01:22:47] <malcom2073> os1r1s: Indeed
[01:22:53] <malcom2073> Especially if you're careful
[01:25:12] <pink_vampire> my use thermal sticker.. so heat shrink on top will destroy the print
[01:33:19] <pink_vampire> what do you think it's better. to cut the cord of the spindle and connect it to a terminal block, or to put power outlet on the side of the panel?
[01:34:56] <archivist> malcom2073, there are two myths I am targeting, the main one is rotary table resolution and accuracy, the microstepping one is a bonus from the jig setup
[01:54:16] <enleth> My Bridgeport uses color-coded clip on number labels on all wires
[01:54:39] <enleth> Each has a single digit and is colored in the same way resistor stripes are
[01:55:46] <enleth> There are about 300 numbered circuit nodes in the whole machine and while this method requires the user to memorize numbers or have a list at hand, it's convenient in tight, hard to see spots
[01:56:03] <enleth> I don't have to see the actual numbers, just the colors
[01:56:23] <enleth> Most significant digit is always closer to the local wire termination point
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[01:57:14] <enleth> Wait, most of them are not clip-on, they're tubes, but I'm not sure if they're heat shrink
[01:57:23] <enleth> They slide over the insulation rather freely
[01:57:39] <enleth> There are clip-on labels in a few places
[01:58:04] <enleth> pink_vampire: ^
[01:58:31] <archivist> they were a stretch design often (I have a box of the stretch type)
[01:58:42] <pink_vampire> http://www.partex-direct.com/PC40-Clip-On-Cable-Marker-BY?language=en&currency=USD&gclid=COCsp6Wy-MkCFcMRHwodWpIEmg
[01:58:51] <pink_vampire> there look nice..
[01:58:52] <enleth> If I had to choose, I'd probably use both color-coded numbering labels and descriptive labels where necessary
[01:59:18] <enleth> pink_vampire: oh, those are self-aligning, nice
[01:59:48] <Duc> what is really nice is to/from labels on each end of the wire
[02:00:03] <pink_vampire> but there is better ones that snap together,
[02:00:16] <enleth> Duc: so that's the third kind of label I'd like to use at the same time
[02:00:34] <enleth> It would probably be an overkill to use all three approaches in a single machine though
[02:00:37] <enleth> And expensive too
[02:00:38] <Duc> enleth: when I worked flight simulators that was required for each wire
[02:00:54] <enleth> Duc: you mean at some military contractor?
[02:00:58] <Duc> made troubleshooting a 10,000+ wire system alot easeir
[02:01:05] <enleth> As they say, there's no kill like overkill
[02:01:28] <Duc> enleth: yes Used to work on cv22, 60 helicopter and c130 sims
[02:01:51] <pink_vampire> I have now some of those,
[02:01:56] <pink_vampire> I Have now some of those
[02:02:14] <Duc> far from overkill, Hand over handing wire sucks ass on that big of a system
[02:02:25] <pink_vampire> http://g04.a.alicdn.com/kf/UT8FV1wXhRdXXagOFbXj/200651297/UT8FV1wXhRdXXagOFbXj.jpg
[02:03:12] <enleth> Duc: sure, for something this big
[02:03:35] <pink_vampire> the clip marker are over kill?
[02:03:38] <enleth> What you lose in initial assembly time, you gain in maintenance time
[02:03:39] <pink_vampire> why?
[02:03:52] <pink_vampire> i like the fact thet it reusable.
[02:04:11] <enleth> pink_vampire: no, but using both wire numbers, wire description and wire destination at the same time in every spot would be
[02:04:24] <Duc> on mine I got lazy, I'll just note where they go on a picture.
[02:04:35] <enleth> Unless your machine is actually so big that you wouldn't be able to keep track of connections
[02:05:03] <pink_vampire> just the drivers sction use 72 feet of wire..
[02:05:37] <pink_vampire> and i think it will eat about 1000 feet of wire.
[02:07:33] <pink_vampire> and i want to engrave each lable for the terminal blocks
[02:08:03] <Duc> what kind of machine is this
[02:08:30] <pink_vampire> G704
[02:08:35] <pink_vampire> G0704*
[02:08:41] <Duc> which is
[02:09:59] <enleth> Duc: you just reminded me of a few stories from friends working on APCs and tanks here in Poland
[02:10:25] <enleth> Specifically, on on-board computers and networks that run the modern military vehicles
[02:11:01] <Duc> enleth: alot of the computers on the sim were from the real aircraft
[02:11:05] <pink_vampire> Duc: it's a milling machine.
[02:11:13] <Duc> grizzly?
[02:11:28] <pink_vampire> yes
[02:11:36] <enleth> One of them dropped by without his usual laptop, carrying what clearly was a replacement, so I asked him what happened to his computer
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[02:11:50] <enleth> "fell of the tank, we ran it over"
[02:12:07] <Duc> LOL I could see that happening
[02:12:20] <Duc> Why so long of cables for a small machine
[02:13:03] <pink_vampire> alot of options
[02:13:13] <enleth> Turns out they were adjusting the ECU and he was sitting on top of the tank, with his lapto connected to some exhaust analysis hardware, not sure what for exactly
[02:13:44] <Duc> explain if you dont mind
[02:13:47] <enleth> But the driver engaged the clucthes by mistake and the tank jolted briefly, sending the laptop off
[02:14:10] <Duc> enleth: alot of the new stuff has ECU on everything, I hate to explain that damage away
[02:15:17] <enleth> Duc: some time ago I *nearly* landed a job programming FADECs, I hated having lost the opportunity
[02:16:36] <enleth> I mean, I wouldn't be doing FADEC firmware right off the bat, some support software first for a time, but that's how everyone on that team started out
[02:16:49] <Duc> what happen to the job
[02:17:20] <enleth> Someone else got it because their friend had friends higher up than mine had
[02:17:49] <pink_vampire> I have about 15 tempratuer sensors. 5 fan conrollers, bypass for the motor drivers, 2 C10 lpt, main contactor, dubble stage limit swiches, soft and hard E stops, digitizer, and hope to add extruders for 3d printing, and hight speed spindle
[02:18:44] <Duc> seems better to use a seperate 3d printer then use a milling machine or are you going to mill with it also
[02:19:02] <Duc> enleth: Yea jobs are really made by who you are friends with
[02:19:25] <enleth> Especially in the defense industry I think
[02:19:39] <Duc> true in the gun indrustry also
[02:19:49] <enleth> pink_vampire: a mill would make a real shitty 3D printer
[02:20:04] <pink_vampire> enleth: why??
[02:20:07] <enleth> pink_vampire: too much inertia, it will shake itself apart trying to produce infills fast enough
[02:20:47] <Duc> pink_vampire: have you built a 3d printer before?
[02:21:37] <enleth> pink_vampire: inertia is usually not a problem for substractive fabrication as you have to overcome the resistance of the material you're cutting by pushing the tool into it, so mills are made with little regard for it, and a heavy, bulky mill is a good thing as it's rigid
[02:21:45] <pink_vampire> I can get nice IPM.. about 200 IPM
[02:21:55] <enleth> pink_vampire: a 3D printer is an opposite of that
[02:22:41] <enleth> pink_vampire: most of the time it makes so many sharp turns you could run a 2D FFT over the toolpath and get a considerable share of high frequencies
[02:23:05] <pink_vampire> I know the in 3D printing i need speed. but 200IPM it's faster than moste 3d printers..
[02:23:14] <enleth> pink_vampire: it's not just a matter of continuous linear speed
[02:23:31] <enleth> you need a machine that can accelerate and deceleare really fast and hard
[02:23:53] <XXCoder> hey all
[02:23:53] <pink_vampire> enleth: 1HP servo on each axis...
[02:23:57] <XXCoder> merry xmas
[02:24:06] <Duc> plus I would use linuxcnc for it anyways
[02:24:08] <enleth> pink_vampire: I'm still extremely skeptical about this
[02:24:31] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: wanting to make adder-subtractor mill machine eh'
[02:25:34] <enleth> pink_vampire: before you bother with fitting an extruder, get a piece of 3D printer gcode for an infill layer, preferably serveral different infill patterns, and try to run it as fast as a 3D printer would
[02:25:42] <pink_vampire> even if i want to make a 3d printer, i need to get an extruder.. so i ca try it on the spindle, and if it not work forme i can make seperate 3d printer.
[02:26:15] <enleth> pink_vampire: see how fast Aleph Objects printers go
[02:26:20] <enleth> try to match that
[02:26:23] <Duc> its not that we dont think it would be fun but it doesnt work well
[02:28:09] <pink_vampire> my main goal is metal working, the 3d printer is just a bonus. experiment with chocolates syringe and cool stuff.
[02:28:11] <enleth> I'm betting quite a lot that the machine will either round off the path horribly, or grind to a halt all the time, or maybe keep up but beg you to kill it by clattering at several high frequencies, loosening everything in the process
[02:29:45] <Duc> so enleth or xxcoder how much do you guys know about tuning ac servos
[02:30:05] <pink_vampire> my is DC servo.
[02:30:06] <os1r1s> pink_vampire If you just want to play with chocolate, paste, you will likely be ok
[02:30:15] <XXCoder> I know it depends on hearing a lot, something I cant do lol
[02:30:16] <os1r1s> pink_vampire But that requires a dramatically different type of extruder
[02:30:22] <enleth> Duc: AC? Not much at all
[02:30:54] <Duc> I've have some massive f-error during my tuning that I can seem to get rid of
[02:31:11] <pink_vampire> os1r1s: but it's the same wiring.
[02:31:38] <pink_vampire> we need Teamspeak server..
[02:31:42] <os1r1s> pink_vampire Not exactly. You typically don't use a stepper for paste
[02:31:47] <os1r1s> Or servo
[02:31:48] <pink_vampire> I cant type soo fast.
[02:32:14] <CaptHindsight> nah, print 100x faster using chocolate photopolymers and a DLP projector
[02:32:20] <enleth> pink_vampire: one idea I had for 3D printing on a heavy machine was to mount a second, smaller cartesian robot with maybe a 15x15mm movement range right at the extruder and split the toolpath - low frequency, high amplitude is handled by the big machine while high frequencies are handled by the extra axes
[02:32:28] <enleth> pink_vampire: but I never tested it
[02:32:40] <enleth> That could work for what you're trying to do
[02:33:23] <enleth> 80-90% of most 3D printing toolpaths are infills, and those are jagged diagonal lines
[02:33:50] <CaptHindsight> or DLP print sacrificial molds and then cast thermoplastics and thermosets
[02:34:18] <CaptHindsight> FDM is just slow no matter how you slice it (pun intended)
[02:34:21] <enleth> If the mill could just run along a straight diagonal line, while the small cartesian robot would basically jag the printhead to the sides in a synchronized manner, it would print the infill without any significant vibration
[02:34:33] <pink_vampire> https://www.datron.de/dispensing/applications.html
[02:35:11] <Duc> not really a 3d printing application more a single layer that is slow
[02:36:38] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhtC-mwGe0I
[02:36:52] <pink_vampire> 3d printer head onb milling machine.
[02:36:57] <Duc> I did see a small fanuc robot do 3d printing in their test lab in Detroit
[02:37:03] <enleth> pink_vampire: also, I've been using Nanotec PD4-N59L motors for a 3D printing testbed and while they're absolutely insanely huge and powerful for a 3D printer (most designs use tiny no-name NEMA17 motors), even those struggled at high speed infills
[02:38:05] <enleth> pink_vampire: heh, that's one nicely modified Sieg
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[02:38:40] <pink_vampire> enleth: I think the G0704 is the bigger version of the machin that thay use,
[02:38:43] <pink_vampire> enleth: ^
[02:38:47] <CaptHindsight> heh, gravity fed injection
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[02:40:14] <enleth> relatively nice printouts, but a bit slow
[02:40:32] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/PhtC-mwGe0I?t=3m29s
[02:41:33] <enleth> still, nicely done, I'm impressed
[02:42:24] <enleth> I think that's the first time I've seen such a combo machine made by an academic/hobby/startup team that actually works, seems to be designed instead of hodgepodged together in hurry and doesn't suck
[02:43:02] <pink_vampire> and I use very strong servos.. and can go to much higher feed rates.
[02:43:16] <Duc> did you upgrade to ball screws?
[02:43:26] <pink_vampire> yes!
[02:43:28] <CaptHindsight> suck is in the eyes of the beholder
[02:43:29] <enleth> Oh, that's also a good question
[02:43:47] <enleth> pink_vampire: so as I said, try running some infill paths
[02:44:26] <enleth> Use a spring loaded pencil on paper, scan the result, compare it with the rendered path
[02:45:00] <enleth> That's how most people do path testing on 3D printers
[02:45:20] <Duc> so if anyone has advice for the f-error here is a screen shot from the tuning [URL=http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shefron/media/Machinery/Boss5%20servo/0bd001a5-858c-49e1-b45f-673618d0a025_zpslepyvzu8.png.html][IMG]http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/Boss5%20servo/0bd001a5-858c-49e1-b45f-673618d0a025_zpslepyvzu8.png[/IMG][/URL]
[02:45:52] <pink_vampire> enleth: I can do vey sharp therns, Itis 1HP servo. one time the emcoder was not connected and the table fly.
[02:47:34] <pink_vampire> enleth: the recomended servos for my machine was 350 oz/in. I'm using 1125 oz/in.
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[02:48:56] <enleth> pink_vampire: how fast does it go again?
[02:49:21] <pink_vampire> 200IPM and I'm sure I can fo faster.
[02:50:23] <pink_vampire> and this is for the Z axis
[02:51:01] <enleth> X and Y values would be more useful
[02:51:20] <pink_vampire> 200IPM easy..
[02:52:04] <pink_vampire> I didn't try to push it to the max speed.
[02:52:35] <os1r1s> pink_vampire 200 ipm is not that fast for a 3d printer
[02:52:48] <os1r1s> pink_vampire 2 of mine regularly print at 474+
[02:53:06] <os1r1s> But 200 is respectable
[02:53:20] <enleth> If I'm getting the weirdo inch math correctly, AO-101, the best printer I have access to, does infills at 120 and perimeters at 170 OOTB, but it's possible to go at least 50% faster with no ill effects. This is considered average by today's standards.
[02:54:07] <enleth> However, we're speaking about linear speed over a highly swirly-jaggy path
[02:54:10] <os1r1s> enleth Did you convert to IPM vs mm/s
[02:54:14] <pink_vampire> I'm sure i can go to 400IPM easy.
[02:54:46] <enleth> os1r1s: yes, I think that's what 50mm/s and 70mm/s amount to
[02:54:59] <os1r1s> enleth Yeah, thats really slow
[02:55:03] <os1r1s> 50 and 70
[02:55:12] <os1r1s> Almost printrbot territory
[02:55:36] <enleth> AO-101 is a few years old and wasn't the top of the line even then
[02:55:48] <pink_vampire> 400ipm is 167 mm/s
[02:55:53] <enleth> (a pretty solid design though)
[02:55:54] <os1r1s> enleth I am very familiar with them
[02:56:04] <os1r1s> pink_vampire Yes. I regularly go 200 mm/s
[02:56:17] <os1r1s> Traveling faster. Printer about that
[02:56:56] <os1r1s> pink_vampire But its quite irrelevant. You certainly are in the range that makes it happen. It will just be complex.
[02:58:04] <pink_vampire> os1r1s: I dont care about push it to the top speed.. I just want to play with it and have the option..
[02:58:13] <enleth> pink_vampire: try to make a sinusoidal path with T=4mm, A=2mm, 45deg angle to axes, 15cm long, make several adjacent copies, run it at 100mm/s along the path
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[02:59:06] <enleth> a sine will be easy on the machine, so if that goes well, make it a square wave path with angled slopes
[02:59:39] <enleth> or a half-hexagon-thingy-path, not sure how to describe that
[02:59:57] <pink_vampire> enleth: you can do very sharp terns with it, and go to very high speed and press the E stop and wach the house shaking. but I like to go slow and safe.
[03:00:31] <enleth> pink_vampire: https://woodgears.ca/kitchen/hexagon04.jpg - this is what you could do
[03:00:55] <enleth> that's what I meant by half-hexagonal paths
[03:01:47] <pink_vampire> or maybe some round fill patterns
[03:01:58] <enleth> Could be
[03:02:54] <enleth> What I'm trying to say for the last half and hour or so - it's not a question of making a sharp turn, but of making a fuck-ton of sharp turns in a continuous rapid sequence for hours at time
[03:03:16] <enleth> purpose built printers shake themselves apart doing that
[03:04:04] <pink_vampire> for me the 3 printer is a toy.. I like metals..
[03:04:17] <enleth> re-squaring and re-tigthening everything every 20-30 print hours is a given
[03:04:28] <enleth> IF you're using loctite, lock washers and such
[03:04:44] <enleth> if not, 10 hours with noting loosening up is good
[03:05:50] <pink_vampire> I think 3 printer is very good way yo make sollid bar for machining.
[03:06:13] <enleth> well, no
[03:06:31] <enleth> you don't want to print an actual *solid* object
[03:06:46] <enleth> the infill volume ratio of plastic to air is usually 15-35%
[03:07:22] <os1r1s> pink_vampire We use SLS printers are work to print metal objects that we then mill/lathe as necessary.
[03:07:29] <os1r1s> at work
[03:07:54] <enleth> Try to get more with FDM and you're basically looking at DAYS of print time for a single part
[03:08:22] <enleth> And obviously you can't really machine a part that only has solid perimeter
[03:08:31] <pink_vampire> it just an add on to the milling machine, not the main purpose of it. so.. I dont expect it to be fast and very high quality, just to have the option.
[03:09:13] <enleth> pink_vampire: OK, it's your machine, you just have been warned by someone who was there and did that
[03:09:20] <malcom2073> Tbh, printing a solid block is a waste of money
[03:09:27] <malcom2073> buying a block of the same size would easily be a fraction of the price
[03:09:34] <XXCoder> yeah can just order solid stock
[03:09:44] <XXCoder> unusual shaped stocks may save money but dunno
[03:10:09] <malcom2073> Mostly, it's for things that are not machinable, (lost foam casting stuff), or isn't practical to machine (rapid prototype fit testing etc)
[03:11:12] <enleth> os1r1s: I'd love to have access to an SLS that produces load bearing parts, but the cost of the hardware *and* material is so horribly high
[03:11:46] <os1r1s> enleth Here was one of the fun prints from it ... https://www.dropbox.com/s/gpk4fgux2i4itfr/slsrook1.jpg
[03:12:27] <malcom2073> Yeah, and for when you really want the spiral staircase inside your rook to look cool :P
[03:12:46] <pink_vampire> enleth: look at that as a teaspoon in the ATC just for stir your tea
[03:12:58] <enleth> os1r1s: bronze/inox?
[03:13:06] <os1r1s> enleth Ti
[03:13:12] <enleth> holy shit.
[03:13:23] <XXCoder> indeed
[03:14:25] <pink_vampire> nice printing.
[03:14:27] <enleth> os1r1s: you know, with print quality that high you could have embossed it with a price tag
[03:14:37] <enleth> It would be even more intimidating
[03:15:05] <os1r1s> enleth We are in the early stages of using it for joints
[03:15:30] <enleth> I mean, those powder must be more expensive per unit of volume than inkjet cartridges
[03:15:33] <enleth> *this
[03:15:57] <os1r1s> enleth I think that machine is 500k
[03:16:00] <pink_vampire> what kind a matel is that?
[03:16:19] <enleth> And that's priced as if it were made from unicorn droppings hand picked by tibetan monks in the heart of the amazonia jungle.
[03:16:36] <os1r1s> pink_vampire Titanium
[03:16:52] <pink_vampire> very nice.
[03:17:11] <os1r1s> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xe4tz325scp0acs/slsrunning.mov
[03:17:15] <os1r1s> Ignore the sound ...
[03:17:18] <enleth> os1r1s: make the rest of the set and sell it maybe?
[03:17:38] <pink_vampire> I need to start saving money
[03:18:22] <enleth> Anyway, this 500k price tag is why people dabble in FDM
[03:20:21] <XXCoder> os1r1s: awesome!
[03:21:14] <pink_vampire> os1r1s: now my milling machine look like the flintstones technology :-( :-( :-(
[03:22:13] <os1r1s> We still have many more vmcs and turn centers than anything else.
[03:23:06] <pink_vampire> os1r1s: you have to stir your tea some how...
[03:23:48] <enleth> pink_vampire: more like millstones
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[03:25:30] <pink_vampire> enleth: I go to the shapeoko to wach some real junk.. than maybe I will feel better.
[03:25:52] <XXCoder> heh my machine probably will be able to mill stone
[03:25:58] <XXCoder> it has 27000 rpm spindle
[03:26:43] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: your m achine working?
[03:27:17] <XXCoder> it is, but still havent done anythibg, garage is still a mess and ice cold
[03:29:02] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you neen to do like me.. put it in the living room. (I'm the wife so my wife don't kill me)
[03:29:20] <XXCoder> lol cant
[03:30:10] <pink_vampire> why? yours is small and oil free.
[03:30:23] <enleth> pink_vampire: well that's a respectable lifehack
[03:30:26] <XXCoder> well we use living room regularly
[03:30:54] <enleth> XXCoder: apparently you're using it wrong
[03:31:01] <XXCoder> lol
[03:31:17] <pink_vampire> LOL
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[03:32:44] <pink_vampire> I'm wondering what happened in lesbian relationship..
[03:32:45] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/5deDOW3 - lol
[03:32:55] <SpeedEvil> very relevant
[03:34:45] <pink_vampire> I like the shelf above the door..
[03:35:24] <pink_vampire> 1001 way to die..
[03:36:48] <enleth> hoist by his own handplane
[03:37:17] <XXCoder> the greatest fart joke of all time. behold: http://www.joblo.com/video/media/screenshot/rocket-man-best-parts.jpg
[03:37:58] <XXCoder> too bad it was in one of worse movies.
[03:38:47] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: I don't know what you are thalking about.
[03:39:17] <enleth> XXCoder: nah, the best fart joke of all time was Colin Furze's Fart at France
[03:39:23] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: its a movie, the guy at back had broken oxygen tank so he has to be teathered with other guy for oxygen
[03:39:38] <XXCoder> unfortunately he farts so hard he bubbles up
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[03:39:51] <XXCoder> other guy tries to block it by pinching cable but fails, he suffers heh\
[03:41:33] <XXCoder> did anyone there say "I fart in your general direction"? heh
[03:41:52] <XXCoder> huh
[03:41:57] <XXCoder> whats up with cell phone
[03:42:09] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you took it to seriously ,I joke ..
[03:42:25] <XXCoder> lol ok
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[03:44:29] <enleth> on a completely unrelated note, do you know anything about those funny hexagonal brass inserts they somehow put in sheet steel as bushings or threaded nuts?
[03:44:34] <enleth> they are not rivet nuts
[03:44:40] <pink_vampire> we need to make voice conference server
[03:45:43] <enleth> rivet nuts have a flange that sits on the sheet, those have a flange that sit in a hexagonal through hole and stay there by... who knows what
[03:45:53] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: you could finally hear me pretending to talk lol
[03:46:16] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: what do you mean?
[03:46:26] <XXCoder> I dont know how to talk via voice lol
[03:47:21] <pink_vampire> so how you communicate?
[03:47:31] <XXCoder> ASL, american sign language
[03:47:48] <pink_vampire> cool!
[03:48:56] <pink_vampire> the typing destroyed my nails.
[03:49:19] <pink_vampire> and now thay longer then you rememnber.
[03:49:21] <XXCoder> imho long nails is iseless
[03:51:22] <pink_vampire> there is a channel of italian girl with very long amazing nails. and she grew then so fast. I'm sure she don't know how end mill look like.
[03:51:52] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/user/danipink89/videos
[03:52:45] <XXCoder> nails is much an annoyance yet we need em lol
[03:53:24] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: look at here videos..
[03:54:36] <pink_vampire> my nails about half of her length.
[03:55:58] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ?
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[03:58:19] <enleth> that's falling head first into the uncanny valley
[03:58:59] <enleth> seriously, I just saw the thumbnails and couldn't decide if I'm looking at human hands
[03:59:36] <enleth> and I'm not easily disturbed by weird shit people do that ends up on the internet
[04:02:24] <pink_vampire> enleth: here nails are natural nails..
[04:02:43] <enleth> that only makes it worse
[04:03:02] <pink_vampire> you see my?
[04:03:27] <enleth> the downwards bend they make about halfway to the tip is problably what makes them look so weird
[04:05:07] <pink_vampire> what do you mean?
[04:07:14] <enleth> that curve makes them look like claws, not human nails. just weird.
[04:07:43] <t12> evening
[04:07:44] <pink_vampire> I think this is what make them look amazing.
[04:07:58] <pink_vampire> t12: hi,
[04:08:24] <pink_vampire> enleth: ^
[04:08:34] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: cool :)
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[04:15:39] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: enleth
[04:15:42] <pink_vampire> my nails https://i.imgur.com/3JjzLV2.jpg
[04:16:29] <Duc> why the fuck
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[04:16:56] <pink_vampire> Duc: ... I like long nails...
[04:17:09] <Duc> crack habit?
[04:17:23] <XXCoder> long nails.
[04:17:47] <pink_vampire> Duc: LOL, no!
[04:18:05] <Duc> are you married or always single?
[04:19:49] <pink_vampire> Duc: I'm in relationship...
[04:20:30] <Duc> had to ask. Only time Ive seen long nails is for crack addicts.
[04:20:42] <Duc> Nails like that would break in a heartbeat in the garage
[04:20:51] <XXCoder> just dont do foot or longer as it will damage hands
[04:20:59] <XXCoder> you ever seen hands of recordbreakers? ouch.
[04:21:41] <pink_vampire> the whole point that I have a CNC is to keep my nails from hard working.
[04:22:16] <Duc> deburring parts?
[04:22:42] <pink_vampire> thick lether gloves.
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[04:24:09] <Duc> what type of work do you do for a living
[04:24:48] <pink_vampire> hmmm
[04:26:11] <Duc> or is there no job?
[04:26:19] <Duc> sugar momma?
[04:30:43] <pink_vampire> I need to make the hard and the complicated decisions, I don't have the time to also make the money..
[04:30:58] <Duc> what does that mean
[04:32:19] <pink_vampire> Duc: I know its just ont line but try to read between the lines..
[04:33:34] <Duc> pink_vampire: sounds like you still live at home or cant handle getting a job. I'm fairly blunt after working in the manufacturing enviroment
[04:34:10] <XXCoder> Duc: everyone lives is unique
[04:34:16] <XXCoder> there is no standard
[04:35:12] <Duc> Nothing chaps my ass more than paying for someone to enjoy staying at home. Short of a disablitiy or retirement..
[04:35:56] <XXCoder> who said shes on something you pays for?
[04:36:30] <Duc> I hope not
[04:37:00] <XXCoder> corprate take $4000 in tax money compared to $1 for people
[04:37:08] <XXCoder> now who is real welfare queen
[04:38:03] <Jymmm> Um, not this line of conversation, not tonight.
[04:38:32] <XXCoder> no problem
[04:38:41] <Jymmm> thanks
[04:42:31] <Duc> LOL ok
[04:43:45] <Duc> pink_vampire: if your a stay at home mom then there is nothing wrong with that
[04:43:46] <irontree9> gah I just repaired my machine and I screwed up a tool path and almost broke it again. CNCs are serous about self harm.
[04:45:04] <Duc> irontree9: Know the feeling. Just bound up my y-axis on my bridgeport so bad that I had to take a chain wrench to the unused spot on the ballscrew to unbind it
[04:45:10] <XXCoder> you do have to be careful
[04:45:44] <XXCoder> yeah can easily make mistakes. I just hope I dont do tool crash again
[04:46:14] <irontree9> i was careful I am just a newbie and make all the dumb mistakes
[04:46:54] <enleth> Duc: wait what
[04:47:00] <pink_vampire> Duc: hehe, I don't live with my parents
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[04:47:39] <Duc> enleth: Yea tuning went bad and hit the hard stop. after I torn into the mill and fix the issue I stopped tuning for the night
[04:47:59] <irontree9> got hung up on a vertical and the belt slipped lost alignment and after that all hell broke lose. The hard wood almost caught fire before I hit the panic button.
[04:48:29] <XXCoder> whats keyboard button for panic button?
[04:48:37] <irontree9> Esc
[04:48:42] <XXCoder> makes sense
[04:48:44] <enleth> Duc: which end of the axis?
[04:49:01] <enleth> Duc: did the ball nut actually survive that without going out of specs?
[04:50:17] <Duc> enleth: towards the main casting. seems like it survived if not I dont think the wife will be happy when I buy another ball screw
[04:50:43] <XXCoder> screwed ball screws
[04:51:19] <enleth> ah, so it tried to push the screw with the ballnut out of the retainer in the belt housing?
[04:51:46] <Duc> nah there is a collar located on the ball screw itself that acts as a hard stop
[04:52:17] <XXCoder> sigh still gonna figure how to place sensors on my router
[04:52:22] <XXCoder> so it safely stops.
[04:52:28] <enleth> wait, not with the ball nut, it's on the saddle for Y
[04:52:53] <enleth> more like with the pulley, collar notwithstanding
[04:53:00] <Duc> nope its actually on the ballscrew. like a collar you would mount on a shaft
[04:53:16] <enleth> but it's attached to and moves with the saddle
[04:53:35] <Duc> nope let me get a pic quick
[04:53:45] <enleth> ok, scratch that, we may be talking about two different things
[04:54:06] <enleth> the other question is - how the hell did you get with the strap wrench at the screw?
[04:54:50] <enleth> on mine, the only way to reach the Y screw is through the knee elevator gearing access door
[04:55:29] <enleth> for some value of "reach"
[04:55:34] <enleth> no use for that really
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[04:56:47] <enleth> if I had to grab and turn it by force, I'd pull the handwheel clutch off, or the belt pulley if the machine didn't have handwheels, and fit a keyed adapter onto the end of the shaft
[04:57:12] <enleth> I think that's the only way to do that on Series 1
[04:57:35] <enleth> dunno about Series 2, AFAIR that's what you have?
[04:58:16] <enleth> which reminds me that I need to have a few wrenches lasercut for this exact purpose
[04:58:37] <enleth> just to have them in case shit hits the hard stop
[04:58:49] <Duc> was yours originally a cnc
[04:59:01] <Duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/Boss5%20servo/20151225_225622_zpshrytd0jv.jpg
[04:59:04] <enleth> It's a factory made CNC/manual hybrid
[05:00:25] <Duc> no manual option for me
[05:00:44] <enleth> Duc: https://gallery.hackerspace.pl/pictures/Bridgeport/img_6035.jpg - note the belt housing casting, it "bulges" upwards in the way of the saddle
[05:00:55] <enleth> no way to get the saddle off without removing that first
[05:02:09] <CaptHindsight> nah, just need to pull harder :)
[05:02:17] <enleth> unless you unscrew that housing from the knee, pull the ball screw out by the tiny hole in the knee, taking care to not scratch it up on the hole edges and have two other people slide the saddle off over it, taking care not to drop it on the exposed screw
[05:02:29] <enleth> then you push it back in
[05:02:37] <enleth> been there, done that
[05:03:01] <CaptHindsight> enleth: is this the one we saw coming off the truck and went down some stairs?
[05:03:14] <enleth> I didn't have the proper hook wrench to take the retainer nut off the ballscrew shaft
[05:03:40] <enleth> CaptHindsight: yes, this photo was taken at 3:30AM about 16 hours after delivery
[05:04:13] <CaptHindsight> enleth: did you get that mill rebuilt or is it still a work in progress?
[05:04:17] <Duc> well time for bed
[05:04:22] <Duc> you guys have fun
[05:04:39] <enleth> CaptHindsight: it's operational since late November
[05:04:57] <CaptHindsight> I'm going back to watching WWII films, hasta banana
[05:05:03] <enleth> still needs some work but it's good enough to make chips
[05:05:12] <enleth> some useful parts were already made with it
[05:06:46] <enleth> CaptHindsight: so that makes it less than 4 months working some evenings and weekends to strip it down to bare castings, clean everything, reassemble and readjust
[05:06:53] <CaptHindsight> somehow I missed Kanal until now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kana%C5%82
[05:07:31] <CaptHindsight> a 1956 Polish film directed by Andrzej Wajda about the 1944 Warsaw Uprising
[05:07:34] <XXCoder> bridgeport. I kinda miss operating one
[05:07:38] <enleth> I'm waiting for my Mesa order to arrive now and looking for 3 matching AMC servo drives on ebay to retrofit it
[05:07:39] <XXCoder> but then I prefer cnc
[05:08:45] <enleth> CaptHindsight: my workshop is actually right next to the Warsaw Uprising Museum, quite an interesting place to visit if you're into that part of WWII history
[05:09:02] <enleth> XXCoder: that's not mutually exclusive you know
[05:09:11] <CaptHindsight> I'm a history buff
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[05:09:22] <XXCoder> I know, but my current job theres no manual besides couple lathes
[05:09:38] <enleth> no manual mill at all?
[05:10:03] <enleth> must suck for that random one-off operation you need to do every so often
[05:10:13] <XXCoder> think theres one but its for special jobs by maintainers
[05:10:17] <CaptHindsight> enleth: are there many buildings there that have survived from that time?
[05:10:33] <enleth> CaptHindsight: on the other side of the river, sure
[05:11:31] <enleth> that's where the soviets stayed and waited until the nazis offed every last building on the west side and retreated
[05:12:07] <enleth> so they could march in as the heroes and saviors while avoiding any real danger
[05:13:18] <enleth> on the west side, not so much - some lucky outliers or buildings that were too difficult to take down fast
[05:13:59] <enleth> other than that, everything that looks old was actually rebuilt in the 50s
[05:15:59] <enleth> unless it was in the way of some planned monument of communism, or inconvenient due to anti-leftist heiritage, or something
[05:19:04] <enleth> CaptHindsight: there's just one district that was built entirely in the 30s and survived almost intact because it was too far from the midtown for the nazi sapers to bother and there are so many trees in the area that luftwaffe bomber pilots thought it's just a big park, so no point in dropping bombs there
[05:21:08] <CaptHindsight> interesting, thanks
[05:24:01] <enleth> ah crap, it's 6:20AM
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[08:15:43] <Deejay> moin
[08:16:06] <XXCoder> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/36140_slide.jpg heh
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[11:15:28] <Jymmm> Anyone happen to know what these are used in? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5D52NP8796
[11:19:52] <jthornton> any place you want heat
[11:34:10] <archivist> jthornton, methinks this needs fixing http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#_logging it seems to be written to during the opening phase during syntax check in axis, not when run later
[11:34:57] <archivist> or the code needs fixing :)
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[11:53:46] <jthornton> the (LOG, is not done when it's ran?
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[11:58:21] <archivist> no it gets done earlier
[11:59:35] <archivist> I had the output file open, got the notification it was changed before the code had got past the first move, checked the file and it was completed
[12:00:22] <archivist> so the lines were written before my subroutine ran
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[12:01:22] <jthornton> that's strange, if your logging a probe move that would never work
[12:01:38] <archivist> I wanted to control what and when got logged rather than the blunderbuss method of sampler and halsampler
[12:03:10] <jthornton> just looking at smartprobe.ngc in the examples and it uses LOG
[12:03:29] <archivist> not looked at that
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[12:11:10] <archivist> it is running on an older version 2.5.4, and smartprobe.ngc is on there
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[12:13:02] <cncbasher> jt : did you get it sorted ?
[12:13:18] <cncbasher> laptop crashed on my last night
[12:13:34] <jthornton> lol, I forgot to uncomment the addf line for the watchpuppy
[12:13:39] <cncbasher> overheated and switched off , think the fans may need cleaning or changing
[12:14:01] <cncbasher> arh
[12:14:37] <jthornton> Peter was able to decipher the error and point me in the correct direction
[12:20:26] <jthornton> now I need to get the VFD hooked back up
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[12:30:18] <cncbasher> glad your back up and running thats the main thing
[12:37:39] <jthornton> well not back up yet but at least Linuxcnc is not crashing
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[13:03:05] <DIYtryin> Hi guys. I created a pyVCP sidepanel with a button on it and I'd like to switch a relay with it (arduino in between)
[13:03:27] <DIYtryin> But I've got no idea how to.. Any suggestions?
[13:04:04] <jthornton> how to do what part?
[13:04:51] <DIYtryin> To be honest.. I don't know what parts there are(A)
[13:05:26] <jthornton> hal connections, physical connections etc
[13:06:23] <jthornton> hal could be something like this net myrelay pyvcp.mybutton => parallelportpin
[13:06:34] <archivist> we dont know hou you connect the aahguino
[13:07:05] <DIYtryin> I think I got the physical connections in order. pc(running linuxcnc) connected with arduino via usb
[13:07:22] <archivist> jthornton, methinks the log in a subroutine is interpreted early
[13:07:36] <archivist> usb!
[13:07:43] <DIYtryin> jep
[13:08:30] <archivist> is this an input device or what
[13:08:42] <jthornton> the smartprobe.ngc uses log in a subroutine
[13:09:23] <archivist> I open the log in the subroutine, I dont think smartprobe does
[13:10:12] <archivist> might have found a bug !
[13:10:22] <jthornton> yea, smartprobe opens the log then runs the sub then closes it
[13:10:59] <jthornton> sounds like one, how to demonstrate in a short G code... thinking
[13:11:49] <DIYtryin> at the moment I've got the pyvcp panel, and a python script waiting for input. Now need to find a way to let them talk with oneanother
[13:13:39] <archivist> jthornton, http://paste.ubuntu.com/14213899/
[13:14:09] <archivist> logappend or logopen
[13:14:13] <jthornton> I've not seen ubuntu pastebin, nice
[13:15:39] <archivist> was just hacking that and trying it, oops, while it is on line 6 lining up the worm the logfile is finished :(
[13:16:30] <archivist> _pass is set to 2 in the output
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[13:30:13] <jthornton> I tried to do a simple log and it worked as expected http://paste.ubuntu.com/14213993/
[13:30:45] <archivist> that wont show it
[13:33:10] <archivist> have the log file open in gedit, have something slow before the ocode, start the program, gedit shows the file updated before the slow part is finished prior to the ocode call
[13:33:27] <jthornton> ok
[13:34:22] <archivist> gedit is showing the update has happens while my code is still at line 6
[13:35:04] <archivist> and I can reload the file and see the output still during line 6
[13:35:48] <jthornton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14214034/
[13:36:27] <jthornton> you going to file a bug report?
[13:37:04] <archivist> I would have to remember my sourceforge login :)
[13:37:40] <jthornton> I have the same problem...
[13:38:08] <jthornton> jepler mentioned something about using github as a bug tracker
[13:38:16] <archivist> I saw that
[13:38:40] <archivist> gihub would be even harder to remember
[13:38:57] <jthornton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14214055/
[13:40:51] <archivist> I suppose I could post something to the dev list :)
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[13:44:59] <jthornton> I found my password
[13:45:09] <jthornton> https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/452/
[13:46:25] <archivist> heh just poked the list too :)
[13:47:05] <archivist> my second code bug :)
[13:51:56] <archivist> my password had expired!
[13:52:15] <archivist> had to change to a new one
[13:52:46] <jthornton> I changed it to probe and get an error I don't understand start point too close to probe point
[13:53:02] <jthornton> G0 X0
[13:53:08] <jthornton> G38.2 X2
[13:53:35] <archivist> probing needs sensible moves iirc
[13:53:40] <enleth> oh damn, guys from another hackerspace in Poland decided to stream their 3D printer on a sex webcam site - and they quickly got more vieweres than actual strippers, then even some money for answering technical questions asked by the viewers
[13:54:06] <jthornton> how is that not sensible?
[13:54:26] <archivist> diameter of probe ball
[13:55:07] <jthornton> I'm just trying to test logging with a probe move
[13:55:12] <jthornton> not really probing
[13:55:22] <archivist> that would be ok for a 1mm ball but a fail for a 5mm ball
[13:56:04] <jthornton> linuxcnc won't know what size ball I have
[13:56:20] <archivist> to me that is an error
[13:56:21] <jthornton> and that is 2" not 2mm
[13:57:58] <jthornton> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14214154/
[13:59:01] <jthornton> I don't understand why the second program throws and error
[13:59:08] <archivist> you have three identical probe moves
[13:59:20] <jthornton> clearly it moves to X0 then probes up to 2"
[13:59:33] <jthornton> perhaps I see the error now
[14:00:15] <jthornton> three probe moves to the same place with no move away first...
[14:00:19] <jthornton> dumb guy
[14:01:33] <jthornton> ok because it is a probe move the log file is not updated because it can not know the probe position
[14:01:43] <jthornton> it is opened at the start of the file
[14:02:09] <jthornton> and logopen clears the contents of the file
[14:02:35] <jthornton> so I assume if it can figure out the answer then the log is created and updated?
[14:03:25] <jthornton> test this after converting it to mm http://paste.ubuntu.com/14214191/
[14:07:02] <archivist> I dont have a working xyz as it is a test jig for the rotary, was about to add the encoder inputs
[14:08:27] <jthornton> convert it to A
[14:08:56] <jthornton> the key is the probe move can't be figured out in advance but a G0 move can
[14:09:15] <jthornton> DIYtryin: you still here?
[14:09:40] <DIYtryin> jep
[14:10:02] <archivist> jthornton, just found a doc bug In the VAR file scheme, the first variable number stores the X offset, the second the Y offset and so on for all six axes. There are numbered sets like this for each of the coordinate system offsets.
[14:10:14] <archivist> six->nine
[14:10:49] <jthornton> used to be six, I'm on it like a chicken on a june bug
[14:10:56] <archivist> :)
[14:11:23] <archivist> spotted in the google result snippet
[14:12:11] <DIYtryin> I'm trying to collect my thoughts jthornton
[14:13:24] <jthornton> I just had a thought and if the device can be seen like a joystick then it might work
[14:14:18] <archivist> as in, an input device
[14:14:29] <jthornton> yea
[14:14:50] <jthornton> DIYtryin: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[14:15:09] <DIYtryin> thanks. Will look into it right now
[14:15:29] <archivist> what are you trying to drive
[14:18:15] <DIYtryin> pc running linuxcnc -> pyvcp sidebar (with a button) -> arduino uno (connected with usb) -> relay
[14:18:34] <archivist> and what else
[14:19:15] <DIYtryin> a fancy cnc machine of my employer, used for printing carbon fiber
[14:19:23] <DIYtryin> but that works
[14:19:51] <DIYtryin> does that make sense?
[14:20:00] <archivist> ran out of ports on the main interface?
[14:21:00] <DIYtryin> I guess.. don't know for sure tough
[14:21:33] <jthornton> archivist: I actually found a few six errors with grep
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[14:21:57] <archivist> usb is not good for realtime control, trying to find out where you are going
[14:24:16] <archivist> we get one or few every now and again thinking a usb device will be suitable for machine control with linuxcnc, just try to stop wasted time up front before you get too far
[14:26:57] <DIYtryin> So the machine prints from left to right
[14:27:17] <DIYtryin> once it is done... the head needs to make a turn
[14:27:43] <DIYtryin> damn.. I don't even understand it myself
[14:27:51] <DIYtryin> and have no acces to the machine
[14:31:38] <DIYtryin> But the thing is.. My employer wants to have a button he can press in pyvcp, and then (via usb->python script on arduino->relay) the cncmachine gets ready for another row of fiber
[14:32:18] <DIYtryin> no difficult shapes involved
[14:32:23] <jthornton> does the machine have a parallel port?
[14:32:52] <archivist> just add a relay to the interface he has in it
[14:33:31] <DIYtryin> yes, but is already used for the out-of-the-box config of the machine. And he doesn't want to mess with it
[14:34:00] <DIYtryin> so the pc controlling the machine got the port I mean
[14:34:13] <archivist> then a breakout?
[14:34:20] <archivist> or mesa card
[14:34:55] <DIYtryin> is usb really tat bad?;)
[14:35:10] <archivist> I can envisage you wanting the rotate to be in the gcode later
[14:35:49] <archivist> usb has a very long negotiation phase (seconds)
[14:38:15] <DIYtryin> Yeah I can also imagine he wants to be able to rotate in gcode later. But for now he wants the setup I describe, and my deadline is the first of januari. So am a bit scared to loose myself in sidetracks
[14:39:08] <DIYtryin> and don't deliver in time
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[14:44:55] <DIYtryin> So for the time being.. Any idea how I can run a python script on my arduino using linuxcnc?
[14:45:35] <archivist> no idea how to write to a usb device
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[14:48:28] <DIYtryin> thanks anyway archivist
[14:51:01] <SpeedEvil> DIYtryin: don't use an arduino/
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[14:52:41] <DIYtryin> Why not?
[14:54:07] <DIYtryin> I have to btw
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[15:04:30] <JT-Shop> did you look at the link I gave you to the wiki?
[15:09:47] <SpeedEvil> Oh - I was assuming you were meaning a classic arduino
[15:09:49] <SpeedEvil> nv
[15:09:50] <SpeedEvil> m
[15:11:24] <DIYtryin> yeah I took a look. Don't understand how I can use this to control my arduino though.
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[15:16:37] <JT-Shop> first see if the device shows up, if it does and you can connect with hal_input and the device has some pins then you can connect those in hal
[15:17:34] <JT-Shop> otherwise you can't use USB to communicate to the device, you would have to use an input on the device and trigger that input with a physical output.
[15:17:45] <JT-Shop> of course the input would have to be in your program
[15:18:16] <DIYtryin> brb.. I'll grab my arduino
[15:25:24] <DIYtryin> Jeuj! It sees my arduino!
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[15:30:35] <DIYtryin> Now trying to let it show in my virtual box as well. Beofre i proceed
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[15:44:44] <Tom_itx> you need a stud finder finder
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[15:45:45] <Tom_itx> soggy day here
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[15:52:43] <JT-Shop-> started raining last night and won't quit till monday I fear
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[15:53:17] <Tom_itx> did you get your mill back up?
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[15:57:15] <maxcnc> hi all from a nice day ending here in germany
[15:58:01] <maxcnc> irontree9: how has been the first miling over xmas
[15:58:11] <irontree9> I was soooooooo close!
[15:58:22] <maxcnc> 2
[15:59:02] <irontree9> Cutting out a hi res mesh model to about 0.1mm accuracy. But I screw up my tool paths again.
[15:59:09] <maxcnc> finish ,break the bit,start a part,...
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[15:59:24] <irontree9> I need to use some boolean logic and inverse milling next time.
[15:59:46] <irontree9> During my second pass got hung up on a vertical
[15:59:52] <maxcnc> do you got a stl or step from the part or is it secret
[15:59:53] <irontree9> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ub6rnmf9egboy7g/2015-12-25%2019.13.40.jpg?dl=0
[16:00:34] <irontree9> Just a complicate stl for testing
[16:00:45] <maxcnc> heavy stuff for first atempt ;-)
[16:01:15] <maxcnc> 4x2.5 inches i guess
[16:01:41] <irontree9> Yeah about that
[16:01:48] <maxcnc> so tool size is 0.5mm ball to get best precision
[16:01:51] <JT-Shop-> Tom_itx I got Linuxcnc back running but the mill is down till tuesday and I get the fuses for the control transformer
[16:02:24] <irontree9> All I have left is a 1/8" ball that is dieing and a V
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[16:02:50] <maxcnc> irontree9: did you rouph at 3mm ball tool to almost 0.2
[16:03:18] <maxcnc> V is not the best on 3D
[16:03:32] <maxcnc> 30deg i hope
[16:04:01] <maxcnc> with .3mm round end engraver
[16:04:10] <irontree9> How is the V angle measured from the shaft or the work?
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[16:04:43] <maxcnc> some use the half some the full angel to sell
[16:05:26] <maxcnc> i got them from china in both ways they say there own mesurments
[16:05:34] <irontree9> I used a 3mm ball to ruff out with path distances wide to 2.5mm. then ruffed with the path distances at 1mm. Then I "WAS" going to try and skin it with the V but never got past the second pass
[16:05:47] <maxcnc> ok on the price of 10pics i never get one here
[16:06:27] <maxcnc> irontree9: use pathes with stand alone ngc
[16:06:38] <maxcnc> also home at every path
[16:07:02] <maxcnc> If your switches are precise
[16:07:19] <maxcnc> or get a point to zero at the tabel
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[16:07:33] <maxcnc> best practice
[16:07:36] <irontree9> nothing fancy like switches
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[16:08:13] <irontree9> I am setting up a mettle surface point for homing, home on wood is very difficult on wood :)
[16:08:22] <maxcnc> even low cost switches for 1USD got best performence
[16:08:51] <maxcnc> therefor i got a mounting plate with a zero point
[16:09:10] <maxcnc> and the part is ofsetet on cam
[16:09:51] <Erant> Are there any tricks for machining something on both sides and minimizing the error?
[16:10:17] <maxcnc> Erant: sharp edge
[16:10:40] <Erant> I have a part that needs some close tolerances, but if I have an 0.001" error measuring, then that results in a 0.002" misalignment...
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[16:11:59] <maxcnc> on that you realy need a good cnc
[16:12:58] <maxcnc> irontree9: whats the name of that statue
[16:13:26] <Erant> It's more that when I flip the part over, I'm doubling any measuring error. I luckily have a way of fixing it later, but I'm just curious if there's a general trick for stuff like that.
[16:13:28] <SpeedEvil> Erant: what sort of part?
[16:13:59] <Erant> SpeedEvil: Re-doing my servo mounts with oldham couplings. They can only take like 0.008" misalignment.
[16:14:02] <SpeedEvil> make a reference surface on one portion of the part, and refer everything to that
[16:14:18] <irontree9> maxcnc, give me a sec
[16:14:33] <irontree9> want the stl?
[16:14:43] <maxcnc> if y<ou got it
[16:14:46] <Erant> SpeedEvil: Yeah, 's what I've been doing.
[16:15:02] <SpeedEvil> Erant: so you mean you want the 'tongue' to be not offset?
[16:15:11] <maxcnc> Erant: 90deg sharp edge that represents the xy
[16:16:13] <SpeedEvil> Erant: rotary table, set it up to cut one final pass, rotate part 180 degrees exactly
[16:16:22] <SpeedEvil> make same cut without changing anything
[16:16:28] <Erant> SpeedEvil: I make the hole for the shaft on one side of the part, and then the hole for the servo itself on the other side. If I'm off by a little in X making the hole for the shaft, I'm going to be off the same amount when I flip the part.
[16:16:34] <Erant> That... makes sense.
[16:16:49] <Erant> I've been meaning to get a rotary table anyway
[16:17:34] <maxcnc> at that precision your rotary is also a factor
[16:17:49] <SpeedEvil> or you could do it entirely the other way
[16:17:56] <maxcnc> and then you loose fixure force on miling
[16:18:13] <irontree9> maxcnc, https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkefzngwkmmnskp/141201_Tohoku_Zunko-simple.stl?dl=0
[16:18:15] <SpeedEvil> start out with two parallel cuts , and then make a hole for the axis between them, and then seperate out
[16:18:27] <maxcnc> a fix point on mounting tabel is offen the best waxy
[16:18:28] <irontree9> The simple version
[16:18:29] <SpeedEvil> - making lots at once
[16:18:43] <maxcnc> Erant: so no touch off at all
[16:19:14] <Erant> Well, what I've been doing is just making the part, and then there's a plate that mounts on the back. I've been adjusting the plate based on the measured error of the main body.
[16:19:45] <Erant> Which is getting me to about 0.003" of misalignment. So it's all good, but I was curious if I was missing something.
[16:20:26] <maxcnc> then you do not have a clean fix point
[16:20:41] <Erant> I do, actually.
[16:22:22] <Erant> It's just, imagine being off by 1" on a 3" part (just, bear with me). So on one side you're going to be machining at X = 0.5", and then when you flip the part, you're now machining at X = 2.5" and your error is 2".
[16:23:27] <Erant> Because it's mirrored.
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[16:32:06] <irontree9> 4
[16:32:09] <irontree9> opps
[16:32:14] <irontree9> wrong kb
[16:33:06] <JT-Shop-> well I did find my Kreg jig I was looking for a couple of months ago
[16:34:02] <maxcnc> irontree9: cool stuff
[16:35:02] <maxcnc> its realy hard for a beginning part but it coudt be a learning part
[16:35:35] <maxcnc> im off till later
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[16:35:55] <irontree9> Learning how to make use the BlenderCAM simulator atm
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[16:45:43] * JT-Shop found the other stud sensor... wonder if it works
[16:47:15] <enleth> is it in any way common to have drilled and reamed tapered holes in the worktable for vise or rotary table alignment? I can imagine several such holes, not too deep and plugged when not in use, to be somewhat useful for fast, repeatable attachment of accessories
[16:47:54] <Jymmm> alignment pins
[16:48:32] <SpeedEvil> yes
[16:48:43] <SpeedEvil> shafted bolts are also used
[16:48:53] <SpeedEvil> or whatever the proper term is
[16:49:11] <SpeedEvil> top part unthreaded and closely fitting in a socket threaded at the bottom
[16:49:44] <enleth> that's what I was thinking about
[16:49:55] <enleth> the top part could be tapered sligtly
[16:50:14] <SpeedEvil> dirt is a real issue
[16:50:18] <enleth> and the thread at the bottom of the hole could be used to mount plugs
[16:50:36] <SpeedEvil> Are you going to clean the hole, and wipe it out with acetone or whatever each time
[16:50:43] <SpeedEvil> or will swarf and grunge build up
[16:50:46] <Tom_itx> straight dowelpins are quite common
[16:50:48] <enleth> so that the holes would be plugged flush with the table when not in use
[16:50:50] <Tom_itx> tapered not so much
[16:51:16] <enleth> Tom_itx: I imagine a tapered pin would be easier to pull out?
[16:51:41] <SpeedEvil> Pins that tight in a table will have all sorts of issues
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[16:53:29] <enleth> the way I see it, it would be a tapered hole bottomed out with a straight threaded part, but the thread would only be there to mount and remove a brass plug with a flat screwdriver slot on top
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[16:54:41] <enleth> while a vise or whatever would carry through-holes to pass the pins through, with the actual alignment pins steel, with no threaded part at the bottom, ending just where the threaded hole portion starts
[16:54:41] <SpeedEvil> If you can keep it scrupulously clean, ...
[16:54:46] <SpeedEvil> also, torx might be better
[16:55:09] <enleth> and with a collar preventing them from going in too deep, resting against the top surface of the vise feet
[16:55:31] <SpeedEvil> I have made torx holes by hammering a torx bit into aluminium holes
[16:55:32] <enleth> that way, those pins would not be in any way holding the vise to the table, just setting it in position
[16:55:41] <SpeedEvil> there are probably better ways
[16:56:39] <SpeedEvil> I would wonder about leaving the bottom hole open
[16:57:22] <enleth> also, the pin may have a transverse hole in the portion sticking out above the vise foot to mount an eccentric cam puller
[16:57:49] <SpeedEvil> remember you're going to need to make maybe several hundred of these
[16:58:05] <archivist> tapers when fine jam hard
[16:58:26] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[16:59:04] <SpeedEvil> If you have shop-air, you want to design an air-cleanable hole
[17:00:30] <enleth> that could be done, there are oiling lines already in the saddle, there's ample room to fit air hoses to blow stuff out of them
[17:00:47] <enleth> them being the alignment holes of course
[17:00:50] <enleth> not oiling lines
[17:02:21] <enleth> how is that accomplished on the big expensive VMCs anyway?
[17:02:37] <enleth> I mean, fast mounting of vices and such
[17:03:08] <enleth> I can't imagine someone tapping the thin with a hammer and re-checking with an indicator every time
[17:03:12] <enleth> *thing
[17:06:14] <archivist> there are kinematic mounts for plates
[17:07:05] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[17:07:08] <SpeedEvil> step 0.
[17:07:12] <SpeedEvil> Understand kinematics.
[17:07:26] <SpeedEvil> Without a solid kinematic base, you wobble all over the place when designing mounts
[17:07:49] <archivist> but us cheapskates cannot afford
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[17:18:36] <Loetmichel> *OUCHOUCHOUCH* Pizza delivery guy just ringed at the door.. so i jumped up and ran to the door... and hit the steel reiforced shelf with my kneecap in full run. CROUCHED to the door after that... ouch ouch ouch! $me slumps into the corner whimpering now :(
[17:19:32] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Don't do that! It's JUST pizza =)
[17:20:15] <Loetmichel> the pizza was for my wife. i am not hungry. she is on crutches tho, so usually i take the door...
[17:20:54] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Well, is she at least willing to let you borrow her crutches for your pizza war injury?
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[17:21:57] <wicki> hi *
[17:22:22] <Loetmichel> luckily i have somewhat sturdy bones... its great tho when the pain eases away ;)
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[17:29:06] <wicki> I just installed an rotary axis as A-axis - it works. but now I need a simple G-code for testing - and information about how to tell EMC2 where the A-axis ist installed and in which direction it points.... do you have any hints for me ?
[17:30:41] <wicki> it seems, the graphic-display is a little bit cunfused whe displaying the tool-path....
[17:31:54] <archivist> I just get used to the silly display
[17:32:36] <archivist> I often move the A axis about and its often mounted on B
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[17:34:20] <enleth> archivist: like ground balls in vee-slots?
[17:36:52] <archivist> wicki, see GEOMETRY = XYZA in your ini adjusting the order of these may help
[17:37:27] <archivist> enleth, yes, one part being permanent, others being on plates
[17:37:42] <wicki> I will try this....
[17:38:38] <archivist> wicki, I break with standard conventions in that respect
[17:40:30] <archivist> enleth, one of my vices just had a bar so it aligned in the table slots
[17:42:34] <enleth> archivist: huh, that sure does make a lot of sense
[17:43:04] <enleth> archivist: do you consider this one to be more convenient to use in practice?
[17:43:20] <archivist> nah I removed it
[17:44:00] <enleth> was there a problem with it?
[17:44:36] <archivist> all depends on how you use yours, I just drop a rectangular bar in a slot and push the vice against it for square
[17:45:17] <archivist> this is one of those, no right answer for all occasions
[17:45:29] <enleth> sure
[17:45:55] <enleth> I'm buying a proper machinist's vise soon and I'm still not sure on how to mount it
[17:46:36] <enleth> I think I'll try mounting it to the side of the table to have the other side free for clamping things, thus avoiding taking the vise off as much as possible
[17:46:45] <wicki> oki - that looks better - thanks
[17:46:59] <enleth> unless, of course, I need to machine something that sticks out in both directions, where the vise must be centered on the table
[17:48:17] <archivist> I find I am moving stuff around almost every job
[17:48:38] <wicki> is it possible to set GEOMETRY=YXZA ?
[17:48:54] <enleth> well shit, maybe I'll just have to get used to moving the 80kg sucker on and off the table all the time
[17:48:55] <wicki> I'll try it.. ;-)
[17:49:07] <Jymmm> heat pump reversing valve https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jr9d3KIfwY
[17:49:18] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: so?
[17:49:56] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: ?
[17:53:24] <wicki> no, thas does not work.... its the same result...
[17:54:24] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: Oh - I thought it was another video, nvm
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[17:54:57] <wicki> my A-axis is parallel to the x-axis. is it possile, tell this emc2?
[17:55:01] <Duc> morning all
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[17:56:29] <wicki> or should I you only use other parameters for the g-code-ripper ? ?
[18:00:18] <archivist> g-code-ripper ?
[18:03:25] <Duc> lesson of the day. have limits installed before messnig with tuning of drives
[18:03:34] <Duc> finally got my table unjammed
[18:03:46] <wicki> yes. ihttp://www.scorchworks.com/Gcoderipper/gcoderipper.html
[18:03:55] <Duc> enleth: did the picture make sense last night
[18:04:00] <Loetmichel> Duc: rammed it into the mechanical block?
[18:04:15] <Duc> yea real bad
[18:04:26] <Duc> had to take a chain wrench to the unused section of the ball screw
[18:04:29] <DIYtryin> archivist, I forgot to help you for your help earlier today. I'm back and finaly figured out how to get my yun recognised by linuxcnc on my virtual box (that and I ate a delicious pizza)
[18:04:42] <irontree9> All i got are soft limits
[18:05:18] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: It is a video, cross-cut of an HVAC heat pump reversing valve. Not like we see that all the time or anything =)
[18:05:30] <archivist> Duc, lower the current until you are sure its close
[18:06:08] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: yes, I thoght it was a boring schematic one
[18:06:13] * SpeedEvil isn't awake
[18:06:15] <Duc> archivist: had a question relating to the setup. Is there a section in linuxcnc where you select velocity or torque drive mode
[18:06:25] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Oh, heh. Got Coffee?
[18:06:57] <Duc> archivist: the drives were moving alot faster then my jog speed
[18:07:43] <archivist> duc I am not a the best person for servo tuning (dont have any servos yet)
[18:07:47] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: It was 26F this morning and the heater (heat pump) was running for like 40m non stop.
[18:08:46] <pcw_home> velocity ot torque mode are characteristics of your servo drive, not a linuxcnc option
[18:09:25] <Duc> pcw_hom: ok seems the drives were moving about 100 ipm not the 16 ipm I had set
[18:09:53] <wicki> wow! that sounds and looks good ;-)
[18:10:00] <wicki> thx archivist
[18:10:59] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: get a plastic/ wood hammer and pund that valve unitl it works ;)
[18:11:35] <Duc> pcw_home: here is the f-error I was trying to correct with the FF1 setting http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/Boss5%20servo/0bd001a5-858c-49e1-b45f-673618d0a025_zpslepyvzu8.png
[18:11:52] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Oh it's working (thank goodness), just the system is going into defrost mode frequently and I was curious about how it reverses the flow is all.
[18:12:53] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i contemplated if it wouldnt be easier to use a gear pump as the compressor and simply reverse it...
[18:13:05] <Loetmichel> instead of such a complicated valve
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[18:13:22] <Loetmichel> dont know the correct word for it
[18:13:29] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Can you reverse both sides at the same time?
[18:13:47] <Loetmichel> the pumps that are like the roots chargers in cars
[18:13:56] <Loetmichel> you dont have to
[18:14:16] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: no clue what that is, but what do you mena "you dont have to" ?
[18:14:26] <Loetmichel> it should work if you simply reverse the flow thru the compressor, or am i making a thinking error there?
[18:15:07] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: There's a high and low side, then the condenser and evaporator. you need to reverse BOTH
[18:15:31] <Loetmichel> which you DO if you reverse the pump, dont you?
[18:15:43] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It's not a "single loop" system, but a dual loop.
[18:16:17] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Maybe watching that video (link above) might explain it better than I.
[18:16:26] <Loetmichel> yeah, i did
[18:16:32] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14MmsNPtn6U
[18:16:45] <Loetmichel> but the condensor and the evatorator are in series arent they?
[18:16:51] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: scroll pumps can't be reversed
[18:17:00] <Loetmichel> with a capillary in between
[18:17:01] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: gear pumps don't really work well AIUI for that
[18:17:22] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: was just a thought
[18:17:33] <Loetmichel> because gear pumps can be reversed
[18:17:37] <SpeedEvil> Well - it will 'work'
[18:17:43] <SpeedEvil> But you actualy want decent efficiency
[18:19:36] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i know how these "3/2 way" valves work
[18:20:07] <Loetmichel> i jut meant that the AC gas circuit should be able to run in reverse with no ill effects at all
[18:20:18] <Loetmichel> so the valve is not needed if you can reverse the compressor
[18:20:25] <Loetmichel> may be i am wrong there
[18:21:52] <SpeedEvil> The valve is precisely to reverse the compressor
[18:22:58] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: thats what i meant: if you have a compressor type that can be reversed by reversing the drive direction you can eliminate the complicated valve
[18:23:18] <pcw_home> Duc: pretty weird, how can you have a step in the position command?
[18:23:48] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: so reversing the MOTOR attached to the compressor is sufficient
[18:24:26] <Loetmichel> with involves MUCH less wear-prone mechanincs and only a switch in the ideal case
[18:24:33] <Loetmichel> that was where i was going with that
[18:24:44] <Duc> pcw_home: Not really sure that step showed up after I started tuning the FF1
[18:25:03] <Duc> pcw_home: before it just sloped very slowly
[18:25:04] <Loetmichel> i am aware that a gear pump may be not ideal to compress refridgerant gas ;)
[18:25:46] <Duc> pcw_home: The movement seemed to lag behind when I hit the arrow key. Computer is a P4
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[18:31:42] <pcw_home> FF1should not be able to affect the commanded position, that should be straight from the trajectory planner
[18:32:15] <pcw_home> so something is quite fishy here
[18:32:51] <Duc> pcw_home: I used pnnconf to setup the initial config file in
[18:33:00] <Duc> 2.7.3
[18:33:50] <pcw_home> did you change something in halscope mid plot?
[18:34:08] <Duc> nope
[18:35:22] <pcw_home> the joint velocity command and position command do not match so something is broken in a major way
[18:35:52] <Duc> there is another weird problem that showed up last night when I crashed the mill. after reversing then hitting a joint 1 following error axis will move again by itself once I power the drives back up
[18:36:06] <Duc> till I relaunch linuxcnc
[18:37:00] <pcw_home> That means you dont have the drive enables working
[18:37:10] <Duc> but I think that was related to putting a value in FF0 since it just stopped once I cleared the value
[18:39:33] <Duc> pcw_home: still seeing the step even with the motor removed from table
[18:40:23] <pcw_home> the commanded position is independent of the motor and interface
[18:40:44] <Duc> yea I can post my ini and hal file if that helps
[18:40:57] <pcw_home> so something is broken upstream (unrelated to drives, interface, feedback PID etc)
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[18:41:28] <Duc> can it be computer related but this was the computer I used with the stepper setup
[18:43:12] <pcw_home> Ahh maybe the step is when you got a following error
[18:43:33] <Duc> over correct?
[18:44:41] <pcw_home> no if you get a following error the commanded position is set to the feedback position (and the drives are disabled)
[18:44:42] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Think of a DPDT swicth to reverse polarity. it's not just reversing one wire, but two.
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[18:45:04] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Well, two loops
[18:45:22] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i know
[18:45:59] <Duc> any ideas of what could be wrong. even at very slow speeds the pos-cmd lags bad
[18:47:05] <pcw_home> Yes, its not tuned :-)
[18:47:37] <Duc> LOL well yea
[18:47:55] <pcw_home> Did you set P as high as possible first? (bump up slowly till it oscillates and the back off about 30%)
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[18:48:11] <maxcnc> hi all ;-)
[18:48:26] <maxcnc> irontree9: ?
[18:49:03] <maxcnc> http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/engel.jpg
[18:49:08] <Duc> pcw_home: what would you consider high at 400 right now
[18:49:20] <maxcnc> i modified it a bit to get more details at the plainside
[18:49:32] <Duc> I just put it there from 0 earlier
[18:49:48] <pcw_home> well you should be able to set FF1 so it leads or lags
[18:50:20] <pcw_home> how fast does the machine move at 10V?
[18:51:16] <Duc> not really sure how would I check that
[18:51:24] <pcw_home> (you can estimate FF1 from this)
[18:51:25] <Duc> I know the drives go to 5000 rmp
[18:51:28] <Duc> rpm
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[18:52:04] <Duc> 1:1 belt with a 5:1 ball screw I believe
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[18:52:42] <pcw_home> is that original (seems very fast)
[18:52:58] <Duc> let me check real quick
[18:53:55] <pcw_home> 5K RPM is normally not safe with ballscrews due to whipping
[18:54:41] <Duc> 5 turns for a inch
[18:55:35] <pcw_home> 1-1 5K RPM to 0.2"t ballscrews is ~900 IPM
[18:55:46] <Duc> yea way faster then what I need
[18:55:47] <maxcnc> Duc: 3K at belt 3:1 with 5:1 gives you 200ipm
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[18:56:11] <Duc> max 150 ipm is needed
[18:56:23] <maxcnc> good to go for this
[18:57:10] <maxcnc> the drive may have a rs232 to set some parameters
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[18:57:29] <Duc> I need to find the adjustment in sigmawin to adjust scale
[18:58:34] <maxcnc> you may can use the yaskawa setup tool
[18:59:01] <Duc> thats what Im using now
[18:59:11] <Duc> Just need to find the correct parameter
[19:00:44] <Duc> so I need to limit the drive to around 750 RPM
[19:01:31] <maxcnc> up to you
[19:03:41] <Duc> I think its the speed reference input gain
[19:04:59] <pcw_home> better to change the pulleys so you get say 200 IPM at 5000 RPM
[19:05:20] <Duc> tried in the past. I cant get a different size pulley in there
[19:05:45] <irontree9> maxcnc, yeah I am here
[19:05:51] <maxcnc> servo adapter gear at 50US
[19:06:00] <pcw_home> If you limit the drive RPM to 750, you are only using 750/5000 of the capabilities of the drives/motors
[19:06:05] <maxcnc> irontree9: http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/engel.jpg
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[19:07:20] <irontree9> okay you got to tell me how you did that maxcnc
[19:07:41] <Duc> the axis on the boss5 will not allow a bigger gear on the ball screw sided even bought the gears already
[19:07:46] <maxcnc> Blender to modify
[19:08:41] <maxcnc> irontree9: nees down hair up
[19:08:58] <maxcnc> i will upload the model and the gcode
[19:09:07] <pcw_home> Its not great though because if you have 1 KW 5K RPM drives limited to 750 RPM you are only getting 150W
[19:09:44] <Duc> I thought most servo maintain power thru out the band?
[19:09:49] <irontree9> radical
[19:11:02] <irontree9> are you using BlenderCAM or just blender
[19:11:06] <maxcnc> http://heimwerkermarkt-tretter.de/engel.zip
[19:11:24] <maxcnc> blender the sim is on freemill visualmill
[19:11:47] <maxcnc> the gcode is haas but linuxcnc can read it
[19:13:38] <maxcnc> there is a 3mm rouph and a 1mm fiish inside
[19:13:49] <maxcnc> all Ball cutters
[19:13:57] <irontree9> Yeah I see those
[19:14:35] <maxcnc> freemill works great on this stl
[19:15:06] <maxcnc> i also reduced the verticts to 25000
[19:15:22] <maxcnc> for faster nccode genration
[19:15:27] <irontree9> Yeah it was ten time bgger than the one I sent you
[19:15:31] <Duc> pcw_home: might be easier to get a gear reduction head for the drives
[19:15:51] <maxcnc> Duc: yes
[19:15:58] <pcw_home> Servos do maintain torque much better than step motors through their RPM range
[19:15:59] <pcw_home> but a servo rated 1KW at 5000 RPM will only output about 150W at 750 RPM
[19:16:01] <pcw_home> (that is you dont get 6x more torque by running 6X slower, the continuous torque limit is a thermal limit)
[19:16:07] <irontree9> This looks great, thanks maxcnc
[19:16:15] <maxcnc> NP
[19:16:24] <maxcnc> Duc: 25:1
[19:18:16] <Duc> maxcnc: wonder what I can find on ebay
[19:19:49] <maxcnc> i think you may need 5 as you got 5:1 alredy on ballscrew
[19:21:19] <Duc> Ill see what I can find
[19:22:58] <Duc> outside of the gear reduction I'm still getting massive f-error. I have the P at 11,750 and 20
[19:23:30] <maxcnc> Gn8
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[19:45:42] <pcw_home> well not necessarily safe (since unsupported ballscrews at 5000 RPM may fly across the room)
[19:45:43] <pcw_home> but if 10V = 900 IPM FF1 needs to be around 0.66 (15 IPS * .66 = 10)
[19:46:13] <Jymmm> How a ground source heat pump works (very informative), I like that there is no fans... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRQuKyQAbtM
[19:48:29] <Duc> pcw_home: where did the 15 IPS come from in calc. For now I will limit the drive to around 750 RPM while I research a gear reducer or rebuild the motor mounts
[19:50:02] <pcw_home> 5000 rpm * 0.200"/turn = 1000 IPM (10% less for headroom = 900 IPM = 15 IPS)
[19:51:11] <pcw_home> all PID numbers are in machine units or machine units/S or machine units/S^2
[19:52:15] <pcw_home> so to get a feed forward voltage of 10V at 900 IPM you need FF1 * machine velocity in IPS = 10
[19:52:58] <Duc> oh ok so much info Any place where alot of this is placed so I dont have to bug you so much
[19:53:23] <pcw_home> the other way to do this is scale the PID in machine units (then FF1 == 1)
[19:56:10] <Duc> so I can limit the drives to a 1000 RPM according to parameters so I would have 3.33 IPS * 3.03 = 10
[19:56:25] <Duc> max IPM of 200ipm
[19:56:31] <pcw_home> The way you scale the PID in machine units is to set the analog output scale to IPS (or mm/S for metric machines) at 10V to the drive
[19:56:32] <pcw_home> This has the advantage the the PID values now stay the same for inche an metric machines
[19:57:10] <pcw_home> if you limit the drive to 1000 RPM does that make them runs at 1000 RPM at 10V (or at 2V)?
[19:57:59] <Duc> at 10v
[19:58:14] <Duc> according to the calculator wizard in the softwware
[20:01:06] <Duc> changing the FF1 to 3.03 and changing the RPM limit has removed the f-error and pos-cmd and pos-fb follow pretty well
[20:03:01] <pcw_home> Servos are very often geared down when driving ballscrews
[20:03:02] <pcw_home> (this is because getting more power from the motor by spinning faster is basically free)
[20:03:50] <Duc> I wish it was easy to gear this sucker down but the older bosses are a bear
[20:04:59] <pcw_home> purpose built direct drive servos like Fanuc are often 8 pole and 1700 RPM
[20:05:32] <Duc> part of this project was to learn more about servos for building one off fixtures for the gun industry
[20:07:24] <Duc> I hate not knowing stuff but some of the info is difficult to find unless you already know it
[20:14:01] <Duc> question on the max_linear_velocity how does the value correspond to speeds. with a 1 = 60 ipm and 2= 120 ipm but its a odd colleration. any insight into this
[20:15:24] <pcw_home> pretty much all hal velocity values are machine units per second
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[20:16:36] <Duc> makes alot more sense now
[20:16:52] <pcw_home> note that if you have 10V = 300 IPM (5 IPS) you would need to set LinuxCNCs maximum velocity somewhat lower
[20:17:49] <Duc> yea I need to find where my output is being limited to 3v on output to drives
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[20:17:57] <zeeshan-mobile> hu
[20:17:59] <zeeshan-mobile> hi
[20:18:17] <pcw_home> (you never want to saturate your PID output so you need 10-20% headroom so conservatively 4 IPS LinuxCNC limit)
[20:18:37] <Duc> so I was going to leave it at 3 for max velocity 180 IPM max
[20:19:08] <Duc> any reason why the INI file has 3 different max velocity lines. Axis, then all 3 axis and then the individual limits
[20:19:44] <Duc> actually I should limit it to 160 IPM for the 20% head room
[20:26:06] <Duc> uploading a new tuning chart now
[20:26:52] <Duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/Boss5%20servo/Y-axis%20159%20IPM_zpsnm1es1je.png
[20:26:55] <Duc> Much better
[20:27:06] <Duc> this is off the mill still but at least the error is gone
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[20:30:06] <XXCoder> hey zeeshan-mobile
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[20:38:12] <Duc> and silence
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[20:39:39] <XXCoder> connection issues it seem
[20:40:31] <Duc> probably
[20:40:41] <Duc> mine has been stable on day which is a miracle
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[20:49:53] <XXCoder> cool
[20:54:15] <Duc> I probably shouldnt have stayed on past the machine crash last night was somewhat of a ass to pink vampire
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[21:05:18] <os1r1s> Duc With your assault on her mail choices?
[21:05:19] <os1r1s> nail
[21:08:08] <Duc> yea
[21:08:34] <os1r1s> Duc I'm sure many were thinking the same thing
[21:08:35] <malcom2073> Lol holy hell
[21:08:39] <Duc> thought it was a male for some reason. stress level was pegged since I thought I destroyed my ballscrew
[21:08:43] <malcom2073> I scrolled back, that was quite an impressive bit of trolling
[21:13:58] <Duc> I can only imagine if I drank any
[21:19:38] <os1r1s> Fucking lightning hit my DSL line and smoked my router, one modem, a managed switch, and a wap.
[21:20:09] <Duc> ouch
[21:20:29] <os1r1s> Duc https://www.dropbox.com/s/hdp9a1ni62p9tb2/apu2.jpg
[21:20:40] <os1r1s> Look at the ethernet chips ...
[21:22:51] <Duc> at least it let the smoke out quick
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[21:23:20] <os1r1s> Yeah. Simulataneously from all over hte damn place
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[21:26:24] <XXCoder> heh I remember when network card failed and took basically everything with it
[21:26:31] <zeeshan-mobile> http://m.imgur.com/TJeBVVL
[21:26:40] <zeeshan-mobile> Fak you subaru
[21:26:41] <XXCoder> leaving me with only working ram sticks and umm tower itself
[21:26:53] <zeeshan-mobile> blew the engine 700 miles from home
[21:27:02] <zeeshan-mobile> getting it towed back
[21:27:16] <XXCoder> 700 mile tow? ouch isnt that expensive
[21:27:27] <malcom2073> Ouch, this is why you buy a car trailer :P
[21:27:44] <zeeshan-mobile> yes$3500
[21:27:54] <malcom2073> Nah, I paid $1400 for mine, and mine is really nice
[21:28:07] <malcom2073> So how much is a 700 mile tow costing you? :P
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[21:28:14] <zeeshan-mobile> ^^^
[21:28:16] <Duc> I might have lit the engine on fire to just kill it off
[21:28:19] <malcom2073> Ohhh
[21:28:23] <malcom2073> yeah you could buy a nice car trailer for that
[21:28:28] <malcom2073> + probably a beater truck for towing
[21:28:29] <zeeshan-mobile> it blew a ringland
[21:28:42] <zeeshan-mobile> everything is closed
[21:28:45] <Duc> boosted?
[21:28:52] <zeeshan-mobile> and i was 200 miles from civilization
[21:28:58] <zeeshan-mobile> yes
[21:29:01] <zeeshan-mobile> stock
[21:29:07] <zeeshan-mobile> 25000 miles on car
[21:29:26] <zeeshan-mobile> i am pretty sure i got a bad gas batch
[21:29:53] <zeeshan-mobile> will take it apart wheni get home and see wtf happened
[21:30:03] <Duc> dont you still have warranty?
[21:30:04] <zeeshan-mobile> lesson: rent a car for long drives
[21:30:06] <zeeshan-mobile> no
[21:30:24] <zeeshan-mobile> its a 2010, warranty is only 3 yrs
[21:31:08] <malcom2073> Lesson: Don't buy a car from zeeshan, he beats them up? :P
[21:31:13] <zeeshan-mobile> lol
[21:31:55] <zeeshan-mobile> best part, it lasted more than a rotary!
[21:32:16] <malcom2073> Apparently not long heh
[21:32:23] <zeeshan-mobile> >:(
[21:32:26] <malcom2073> Oh boosted
[21:32:27] <malcom2073> yeah
[21:32:37] <malcom2073> Boosted cars == no longevity unless you drive them like they're not boosted :P
[21:32:40] <Duc> are you on winter break from school or out of it
[21:33:00] <zeeshan-mobile> school?!?
[21:33:06] <zeeshan-mobile> thats part time
[21:33:44] <zeeshan-mobile> i was supposed to come back jan1, it sucks
[21:33:55] <Duc> LOL and thats when this shit happens
[21:34:00] <zeeshan-mobile> i was staring at the mountain i was going to climb
[21:34:22] <Duc> I failed calc 2 due to head swap on a dodge stealth right when I should have been studying
[21:34:31] <zeeshan-mobile> lol
[21:34:41] <zeeshan-mobile> school first!
[21:34:57] <Duc> on car and I was 1800 miles away from my parents house
[21:35:01] <Duc> only
[21:35:09] <zeeshan-mobile> jeez
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[21:35:57] <Duc> Im long done with a engineering degree that was 6 years ago
[21:36:19] <zeeshan-mobile> nice
[21:36:31] <zeeshan-mobile> which discipline
[21:36:36] <Duc> Mechanical
[21:36:40] <zeeshan-mobile> same here
[21:36:45] <Duc> how far along are you
[21:36:48] <zeeshan-mobile> trying to finish masters now
[21:37:16] <zeeshan-mobile> i finished undegrad in 2013
[21:37:52] <zeeshan-mobile> I hope damage in minimal
[21:37:52] <Duc> yuck I spent way to much time in college. I have a Assc in Flight simulator maintenace and decided to have Lockheed pay for my bachelors
[21:38:09] <zeeshan-mobile> wow dude
[21:38:12] <Duc> think in total I have 220 credits
[21:38:21] <Duc> fuckers not taking my Assc credits
[21:38:28] <zeeshan-mobile> we have a similar past
[21:38:47] <zeeshan-mobile> i did 3 years tech college before the 4 year undergrad
[21:38:56] <zeeshan-mobile> lots of hands on learning
[21:39:22] <Duc> advisor in ME didnt believe I would ever finish the program since I was part time. I made sure to walk and shake his hand. He said congrats I never believed you would make it but you did.
[21:39:29] <zeeshan-mobile> you work at lockheed?
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[21:40:06] <zeeshan-mobile> nice man, a ME degree isnt easy
[21:40:19] <zeeshan-mobile> especially if youre trying to get aS
[21:40:26] <zeeshan-mobile> A's
[21:40:36] <Duc> Did, at Kirtland AFB for the CV22, C130, 60 helicopter sims
[21:40:52] <zeeshan-mobile> nice! thats very cool
[21:40:57] <Duc> C or better for me
[21:41:14] <Duc> I was working 50+ hours a week and sleeping in my truck or wooden benches
[21:41:31] <Duc> still had to do graves, swings and day shifts
[21:41:34] <zeeshan-mobile> tough
[21:41:49] <zeeshan-mobile> worth it in the end.
[21:42:16] <Duc> yes it was. one day my pay will be back to that level I made alot as a sim tech
[21:42:20] <zeeshan-mobile> 58% ppl drop put of eng
[21:42:24] <zeeshan-mobile> first year
[21:42:57] <Duc> I saw alot of that. and dynamics
[21:43:31] <zeeshan-mobile> for me its not the money
[21:43:44] <zeeshan-mobile> if i did it for the money id be a stripper
[21:43:47] <zeeshan-mobile> :)
[21:43:57] <zeeshan-mobile> the ladies would like it
[21:44:06] <Duc> I did it for the freedom and being able to get more jobs
[21:44:23] <zeeshan-mobile> i always wanted to design life critical things
[21:44:34] <zeeshan-mobile> and i am on my way doing that
[21:44:57] <zeeshan-mobile> yes, it definitely opens a lot of doors
[21:45:02] <Duc> what is your area?
[21:45:32] <zeeshan-mobile> im currently doing electrical power distribution but soon will be doing material handling
[21:45:39] <zeeshan-mobile> cranes and stuff
[21:46:07] <zeeshan-mobile> even for power dist, i have been working on lifting bravkets, frames etc
[21:46:17] <zeeshan-mobile> 550lb breakers!!
[21:46:41] <Duc> the ones with a crank up spring first before it will close?
[21:46:57] <zeeshan-mobile> yes
[21:47:09] <zeeshan-mobile> but most of these have a motor to do tgat
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[21:47:30] <zeeshan-mobile> cause a lot if ppl like remote operation. due to arc flash
[21:47:39] <Duc> I only wish I remembered 40 percent of the stuff from ME
[21:47:46] <zeeshan-mobile> you will
[21:48:00] <zeeshan-mobile> just need to be asked the right stuff
[21:48:05] <zeeshan-mobile> youll know where to look
[21:48:25] <zeeshan-mobile> i havent done stripping torque calcs
[21:48:34] <zeeshan-mobile> just did that on Tuesday
[21:48:48] <zeeshan-mobile> shigleys saved my butt :)
[21:48:59] <Duc> 7 years of schooling for the ME and some of the time I was a zombie in those classes
[21:49:09] <zeeshan-mobile> lol
[21:49:14] <Jymmm> How to test the capacity of an alkaline battery... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_m6p99l6ME
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[21:49:34] <zeeshan-mobile> oh noes i see what jymm is tryping
[21:49:39] <zeeshan-mobile> :)
[21:49:58] <Jymmm> zeeshan-mobile: /ignore Jymmm
[21:50:43] <Duc> lol Ive been wondering about that Jymmm but now days with the viral videos the trust is missing
[21:51:17] <Jymmm> Duc: eevblog test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRf9JTg3QwA
[21:52:06] <Duc> Ill just use a meter more reliable
[22:03:55] <Tom_itx> whassup zeeshan-mobile!
[22:04:23] * zeeshan-mobile read above thomas :)
[22:04:32] <Deejay> gn8
[22:04:57] <Tom_itx> short vacation?
[22:05:23] <Tom_itx> so much for wingin it
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[22:05:37] <zeeshan-mobile> lol
[22:05:49] <zeeshan-mobile> a blown engine will do that
[22:05:59] <zeeshan-mobile> man i was so impressed woth the car
[22:06:17] <zeeshan-mobile> i climbed a few steep mountains the day before
[22:06:19] <Tom_itx> what you gonna do now?
[22:06:33] <zeeshan-mobile> on tow truck right now
[22:06:47] <Tom_itx> headed for the river?
[22:06:48] <zeeshan-mobile> trying to kill 8 hrs
[22:06:52] <Tom_itx> to dump it off
[22:06:52] <zeeshan-mobile> hahaha
[22:07:34] <Duc> just remember student loans have to be paid back after engine repairs LOL
[22:09:05] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-mobile, one year the weekend we returned from a cruise, the ship was quaranteened for the next one out
[22:09:11] <Tom_itx> just missed that one
[22:09:26] <zeeshan-mobile> lucky!
[22:09:27] <Tom_itx> all those ppl stuck at the port
[22:09:51] <zeeshan-mobile> lol duc
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[22:10:17] <Duc> watched many students spend all the extra money from the loans on stuff
[22:10:30] <zeeshan-mobile> whered you go tom
[22:10:32] <Duc> 6,000 on a bike, 2,000 on tvs
[22:10:34] <zeeshan-mobile> for a cruise
[22:10:41] <zeeshan-mobile> duc thats silly!
[22:10:52] <zeeshan-mobile> i only racked up 25k
[22:11:02] <zeeshan-mobile> but its mostly paid off
[22:11:04] <Duc> thats not bad really
[22:11:07] <Tom_itx> i don't remember now, that was a couple years back
[22:11:14] <zeeshan-mobile> i have friends that owe 85!
[22:11:19] <Duc> I just made the final payment to clear my student loans out
[22:11:27] <zeeshan-mobile> niceee
[22:11:30] <zeeshan-mobile> freedom
[22:11:30] <XXCoder> still working on my college loans
[22:11:33] <Duc> yea most of mine finished with 50-65K
[22:11:34] <XXCoder> anytime soon :(
[22:11:38] <XXCoder> *not
[22:12:07] <Tom_itx> time to enroll for post grad stuff now...
[22:12:09] <Duc> XXCoder but are you at least using yours and avoid liberal arts
[22:12:21] <XXCoder> Duc: assuming a little there
[22:12:28] <Duc> lol
[22:12:33] <XXCoder> I have IT and CS degrees and are a machinist
[22:12:57] <Tom_itx> so a machinist with paper
[22:12:59] <Duc> nothing wrong with being a machinist I almost wish I went that way
[22:13:11] <Duc> and you can be a manufacturing engineer later on
[22:13:33] <XXCoder> actually cnc machinist not manual
[22:13:35] <Tom_itx> that's what i enrolled in
[22:14:57] <Duc> I might have a issue with people that are suprised after college that a art degree will only get them 15/hr and they have 65k in debt
[22:15:30] <XXCoder> just diappointed that cs degree was useless
[22:15:32] <zeeshan-mobile> :)
[22:15:47] <zeeshan-mobile> Dont tell them! we need cheap labor
[22:16:14] <Tom_itx> they'll flip burgers instead
[22:16:30] <XXCoder> been "flipping burgers" way too damn many years
[22:16:48] <XXCoder> I almost rather live at street than "flip burger" again
[22:17:06] <Duc> do you understand macros and g-code better
[22:17:09] <Duc> ?
[22:17:20] <XXCoder> its very simple script language to me
[22:17:42] <XXCoder> I grasp ideas much faster, but forget pretty quickly (my memory sucks)
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[22:18:02] <zeeshan-mobile> reward yourself with nudes
[22:18:03] <XXCoder> its machinist concepts thats bit harder, like figuring right speeds and such for good cuts
[22:18:09] <zeeshan-mobile> to rember stuff
[22:18:15] <zeeshan-mobile> :)
[22:18:25] <XXCoder> lol
[22:18:35] <Tom_itx> i heard that makes ya go blind
[22:18:36] <XXCoder> till I get blind and I cant read anything anymore ;)
[22:18:47] <XXCoder> and hairy palm lol
[22:18:52] <XXCoder> funny myths
[22:18:52] <zeeshan-mobile> lol
[22:19:02] <XXCoder> hairy palms = hard to type
[22:19:14] <zeeshan-mobile> i always tried to apply what i was learning
[22:19:15] <Duc> I would have been blind years ago
[22:19:20] <zeeshan-mobile> or i firget too
[22:19:53] <XXCoder> Duc: and palms to do dwarves proud eh ;)
[22:22:04] <Duc> yes
[22:22:32] <Duc> but I would seriously apply for manufacturing engineer if you have a 4 year degree
[22:22:53] <Tom_itx> so zeeshan-mobile, how'd the motor blow?
[22:23:00] <Tom_itx> you throw a rod or what?
[22:23:39] <XXCoder> lots jobs out there?
[22:23:52] <XXCoder> being deaf makes it MUCH harder to get jobs
[22:24:00] <XXCoder> even "burger flipping" level ones
[22:24:30] <XXCoder> in least, when has no network
[22:24:32] <Duc> I forgot about that. but that shouldnt matter once you know how to calculate tool live, chip color and spindle load
[22:24:49] <zeeshan-mobile> tom. i think detonation
[22:25:06] <zeeshan-mobile> it didnt sound like rod knock
[22:25:07] <Tom_itx> head gasket?
[22:25:12] <zeeshan-mobile> no
[22:25:23] <zeeshan-mobile> piston ringland
[22:25:32] <zeeshan-mobile> is my prediction
[22:25:34] <Tom_itx> huh
[22:26:03] <zeeshan-mobile> it started with a quiet clunk that you could only hear on decel
[22:26:24] * zeeshan-mobile pulled over, checked oil, it was ok
[22:26:38] * zeeshan-mobile took off oil cap, could feel massive blowby
[22:27:00] <zeeshan-mobile> then drove a bit more, clunk got louder ok decel
[22:27:04] <XXCoder> so whats your plan with car
[22:27:05] <zeeshan-mobile> On
[22:27:13] <zeeshan-mobile> and kaboom
[22:27:23] <zeeshan-mobile> oil smoke, power loss
[22:27:26] <XXCoder> Duc: yeah. though right now I just want to keep working and gaining skills on cnc machinist
[22:27:31] <XXCoder> maybe evenually boeing
[22:27:36] <zeeshan-mobile> ill rebuild engine
[22:27:42] <zeeshan-mobile> should take a week
[22:27:51] <Duc> how long have you been a CNC machinist XXCoder
[22:27:52] <XXCoder> cool
[22:28:06] <Tom_itx> you'll need to clean out all the metal good
[22:28:06] <XXCoder> well including internship year and hal
[22:28:20] <XXCoder> solvent dips would do that Tom_itx
[22:28:27] <XXCoder> and good elbow grease
[22:28:35] <Tom_itx> i know, i've done dozens
[22:28:52] <XXCoder> cool :)
[22:29:04] <XXCoder> just wish I could solve bad idle problem on my van
[22:29:24] <JT-Shop> yea found a couple of type CC fuses for my control transformer
[22:29:42] <Tom_itx> cool, give you something to do in the rain
[22:29:47] <Tom_itx> been raining all day here
[22:29:54] <Tom_itx> gonna turn to ice later i bet
[22:29:57] <zeeshan-mobile> http://m.imgur.com/TJeBVVL
[22:30:01] <zeeshan-mobile> for you tom lol
[22:30:03] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: basically its battery is fine (tested 12.44V fully charged)
[22:30:13] <XXCoder> but when motor is running its power is unsteady
[22:30:19] <XXCoder> getting worse as it warms up
[22:30:29] <XXCoder> till lights flicker a little everywhere
[22:30:43] <XXCoder> rough idle when headlights dim
[22:30:55] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-mobile is that on the wrecker?
[22:31:26] <JT-Shop> rained like hell for a few hours then quit
[22:31:42] * Tom_itx wonders if it rains in hell
[22:31:58] <Tom_itx> sauna
[22:32:47] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: if point in hell is torture, then it will have whatever weather it is that is worse to you
[22:32:53] <Tom_itx> http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true&location=USKS0523
[22:33:01] <XXCoder> meaning as soon as youre used to heat it turns snowy
[22:33:07] <Tom_itx> looks like the freeze is staying W of us for now
[22:36:12] <zeeshan-mobile> yes tom
[22:36:34] <Tom_itx> you should just have him back up to the edge of that bridge
[22:38:21] <zeeshan-mobile> haha
[22:38:26] <zeeshan-mobile> i like the car
[22:38:45] <zeeshan-mobile> gas turbo cars are a problem
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[22:43:32] <Tom_itx> man i'm not sure where to start on this last part
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[22:45:59] <anomynous> Bible says that in hell there is shame and terror consumes those who are there.
[22:46:15] <malcom2073> It says a lot of things
[22:46:25] <malcom2073> Including thou shalt not boost
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[22:46:35] <anomynous> what else is there in hell?
[22:46:41] <malcom2073> Rotary motors only
[22:46:54] <malcom2073> Well, rotary and non-turbo diesels
[22:46:55] <anomynous> theres no rotary motors in hell according to the Bible.
[22:46:58] <anomynous> :)
[22:47:07] <malcom2073> You're reading the wrong translation then :P
[22:47:12] <anomynous> no, im not
[22:47:32] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-mobile can you open pdf?
[22:47:38] <zeeshan-mobile> ya
[22:47:48] <Tom_itx> was gonna show you this last part
[22:48:07] <zeeshan-mobile> link
[22:48:14] <Tom_itx> not there yet
[22:50:39] <anomynous> mushrooms and onion :)
[22:51:07] <anomynous> mushroom salad
[22:51:17] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-mobile, i posted you the link
[22:51:50] <Tom_itx> i think i figured out how i'm gonna do it
[22:52:17] <zeeshan-mobile> looks annoying lol
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[22:52:32] <zeeshan-mobile> id prolly start with the section view
[22:52:38] <Tom_itx> i'll do the square block first
[22:53:41] <Tom_itx> i did 34 in about an hour
[22:55:14] <zeeshan-mobile> :)
[22:55:45] <Tom_itx> most of that was just mirroring
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[23:00:06] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: where is the link to the part?
[23:00:53] <Tom_itx> pm
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[23:47:09] <CaptHindsight> April 1st 2016 launch date http://hothardware.com/news/arca-space-corp-unveils-turbine-powered-hoverboard-to-mcfly-you-back-to-the-future-for-20k
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[23:53:27] <JT-Shop> I leave you with this tune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp0qi80AvZM
[23:54:25] <JT-Shop> best if kinda loud
[23:57:01] <Tom_itx> heh
[23:57:15] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i'm a little confused about the base of the part
[23:58:18] <JT-Shop> base as the top drawing?
[23:58:33] <Tom_itx> top and center bottom
[23:58:37] <Tom_itx> the narrow side
[23:58:52] <Tom_itx> the overhang on the bottom
[23:58:57] <Tom_itx> i have the round part
[23:59:28] <JT-Shop> the perpendicular hole to the hole with the key?
[23:59:44] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:59:52] <Tom_itx> i've got the hole though
[23:59:59] <Tom_itx> it's the bottom feature i'm working on