#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-12-13

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[00:02:01] <jthornton--> sous chef work done
[00:02:42] <jthornton--> I'm guessing that you can probe then turn 180 and probe then adjust till centered the repeat for the other axis
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[00:04:02] <jthornton> so you get the same measurement on all 4 quadrants
[00:09:50] <Tom_itx> oh to find the probe center?
[00:10:14] <jthornton> to center the probe yea
[00:10:21] <Tom_itx> sounds reasonable
[00:11:13] <Tom_itx> use a 123 block in a vise and find the 2 edges with your dowel or whatever you use then subtract the probe tip radius
[00:11:27] <Tom_itx> and probe away
[00:11:59] <Tom_itx> technically you would leave it in the tool holder you probed with
[00:12:01] <jthornton> sounds like fun to me
[00:12:30] <jthornton> yea, I have kwik switch on the BP
[00:13:00] <jthornton> so I could set it up and leave it in the holder
[00:13:24] <Tom_itx> with a disconnect on the probe wire
[00:13:51] <jthornton> like a stereo plug?
[00:15:00] <Tom_itx> yeah something like that
[00:15:34] <Tom_itx> mount the mate for it on the machine somewhere out of coolant's path or cover it when not in use
[00:16:17] <Tom_itx> just remember Tx M6 S0 or you'll be rewiring it
[00:16:43] <jthornton> didnt' think of that lol
[00:16:49] <jthornton> no coolant on the BP
[00:17:40] <Tom_itx> that's one thing i like about those axial centering tools
[00:17:53] <jthornton> opps time to cook
[00:18:16] <Tom_itx> http://www.tooldiscounter.com/ItemDisplay.cfm?lookup=FOW52-710-025&source=froogle&kw=FOW52-710-025&gclid=CL7kv-nH18kCFQyFaQodsx0Hpg
[00:18:18] <Tom_itx> like those
[00:18:29] <Tom_itx> different application.. i know
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[00:41:51] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, you seen 6?
[00:44:42] <Tom_itx> that runway must be 30mi long... that scene goes on forever.
[00:48:36] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: was it from video link here?
[00:49:49] <Tom_itx> no
[00:50:00] <gregcnc> they're actually doing 5mph, not 120 like the speedo probably shows, did they also pull 13 gears and 5 shots of nitrous?
[00:50:16] <Tom_itx> something like that yes
[00:50:54] <XXCoder> racing, I guess. one where bus go boom when too slow?
[00:51:08] <XXCoder> *movie of
[00:51:13] <gregcnc> typical fast and furious scene
[00:51:25] <Tom_itx> no, fast & furious
[00:51:34] <XXCoder> movie time scale sometimes dont make sense
[00:51:46] <gregcnc> they don't need to you already bought the ticket
[00:51:52] <Tom_itx> it's mostly background noise.. working on catia here
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[00:52:26] <XXCoder> its worse when you include time travel. in orginial movie there was this nice scene where time traveler (he was never named)
[00:52:37] <XXCoder> watches clothes stores near his home
[00:52:45] <XXCoder> it shows different styles as he travels
[00:53:03] <XXCoder> but well it shows being dressed with light/dark flashes of days
[00:53:19] <gregcnc> I should watch that
[00:53:22] <XXCoder> flashes count meant guy was dressing display for month
[00:53:32] <XXCoder> moving a dress inch down a day
[00:54:03] <XXCoder> gregcnc: also watch the 2002 version. awesome scenes, if wrong too
[00:54:48] <gregcnc> I watched part of "the time travelers wife" was that related?
[00:55:03] <XXCoder> nah
[00:55:13] <gregcnc> ok
[00:55:38] <XXCoder> from what I understand, man is stuck traveling to random times from boyhood to adult
[00:55:57] <XXCoder> so yeah not same :D
[00:58:23] <trentster> bobo__: Fix was a conjunction of factory resetting the VFD, re-setting up the vfd paramaters. I think the issue actually was that there was a minimum Hz of 140Hz set somewhere there which exceeded the 8k rpm I was trying to test with. This setting however was not effecting the manual control of vfd via panel. That in conjunction with all the stuff archivist helped me out with did the trick.
[00:59:24] <gregcnc> was following along with you vfd issues, what are you (re)building?
[01:01:00] <trentster> Now I am onto the next hurdle - namely getting the correct spindle voltage output so that 8k,12k, and 24k rpm in gcode actually create the correct HZ on the VFD. No matter what combination I try I can nver get the BOB to output more than 7V on the 0-10V output
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[01:02:24] <trentster> gregcnc: Just upgrading the spindle on a own built CNC router, removed the 400W one and replaced with a 2.2Kw water cooled one + vfd
[01:03:46] <XXCoder> wow this sounds interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi6u14oGmh0
[01:03:50] <XXCoder> too bad its not captioned
[01:06:23] <trentster> XXCoder: looks awesome - pity it was cancelled
[01:06:28] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:06:47] <XXCoder> time machine is shown opersating at 39:30 something
[01:07:01] <trentster> Probably had to do with wanting to be "PC" somewhere up the network chain of command
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[01:10:23] <XXCoder> trentster: or maybe they didnt think people would like it
[01:12:11] <trentster> perhaps
[01:12:26] <trentster> XXCoder: hows your machine coming along, made anything interesting lately?
[01:12:41] <XXCoder> not yet, still no room in garage
[01:12:55] <XXCoder> and this being washington, outside is never dry
[01:13:13] <XXCoder> what I call washingtonian foreverain
[01:13:32] <trentster> heh - washington state?
[01:13:51] <trentster> Like Seattle?
[01:14:44] <XXCoder> over hour south but yes
[01:15:52] <trentster> you are a lucky man indeed - its a beautiful place to live - I really loved the natural beauty there
[01:16:32] <XXCoder> trentster: " saw a documentary about this show.......even though it was an excellent show and a great deal of people complained when it was cancelled.......the Documentary explained that the U.S. Government paid a WHOLE LOT of money to the people associated with this pilot to drop the show and never show it on TV again............makes you think maybe they have a program similar to this already in the works................Hmmmmmmmmmm
[01:16:33] <XXCoder> mmmmm"
[01:16:36] <XXCoder> odd
[01:16:43] <XXCoder> lemme try
[01:18:05] <trentster> XXCoder: yup its normally something like that, either for PC reasons, or some numbskull thinks it jeopardises national security or gives terrorists - plot ideas :-)
[01:18:18] <trentster> pity really -
[01:18:25] <XXCoder> or like one guy said...
[01:18:31] <XXCoder> they may have one lol
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[01:19:18] <trentster> well - that would probably be the dubest way to try hide the fact you have one, by paying off a tv station - that would really conceal the fact :P
[01:23:06] <trentster> I would have to go with "Occam's razor" on this one.
[01:23:47] <XXCoder> yeah one of possibilities you outlined is way more likely
[01:23:53] <XXCoder> pc reason
[01:24:20] <XXCoder> what if we got visitor from far future who said inventor of REAL time machine was ispired by series
[01:24:37] <XXCoder> say guy figured it out from 3th season 11th show
[01:24:43] <trentster> We havent
[01:24:53] <trentster> so it never has happened
[01:25:05] <XXCoder> who knows, top secret lol
[01:25:17] <trentster> conclusion - if time travel is ever possible , its only possible forward
[01:25:35] <XXCoder> there is arguments for negative only too
[01:25:45] <XXCoder> with past having existed and future dont exis
[01:26:03] <XXCoder> forward is easy enough though
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[01:26:07] <XXCoder> just invent statis
[01:26:09] <trentster> I think someone would have noticed the present changing
[01:26:26] <XXCoder> trentster: thats movie stuff. reality its always has been
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[01:26:57] <XXCoder> say if moon mysterously exploded 100 years ago, if we surivied its always been exploded since then
[01:27:19] <trentster> there is no reality when it comes to time travel its all theoretical physics and quantum mechanics, like quantum entanglement
[01:27:43] <XXCoder> scientists actually figured some censor-free calculation using time
[01:27:54] <XXCoder> but true time travel is extremely unlikely
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[01:28:38] <XXCoder> I might have idea though if we has dimensional travel. I'm sure if youre at another universe you can travel and hit any location in 3d+1t in another universe
[01:30:40] <trentster> well if it was invented at any point in the future, logic would probably dictate - that the inventors would probably try and correct some of the supid shit we have done from happening, like wrecking the planet - what about dumb stuff like wrecking hemispheres with long lived radio nuclides. Wouldent they stop Chernobyl, fukushima and future possible extinction level events, from happening?
[01:30:45] <Tecan> would a torch fuse a hole through aluminum sheets ?
[01:30:51] <Tecan> would the sheets be stuck together
[01:31:47] <XXCoder> thats why I think its basically impossible. maybe by time we discover it, we have truly advanced as species, like after say millions of years
[01:32:50] <gregcnc> you mean these environmental summits and pacts were thought up by someone from the future?
[01:33:03] <trentster> XXCoder: As this is purely a philosophical / scifi convo - my bet would be that if you can time travel you are more likely to be creating another instance in the multiverse a seperate and unique time stream that does not effect present one.
[01:33:30] <trentster> gregcnc: heh - they would be the dumbest time travelers if that was true
[01:33:34] <XXCoder> trentster: likely yeah. hence my comment that it "always has been". we can't "know" time has changed
[01:33:55] <XXCoder> gregcnc: pretty dumb for millions of old post- homo sapiens.
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[01:34:29] <trentster> would be far easier to come back and give us an M&M sized clean unlimited power source schematics before the first litre of fossil fuel is pumped out the ground.
[01:34:57] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:35:17] <XXCoder> unless that was what they did... so that was what they had to do.
[01:35:20] <trentster> After all real success of a species involves being able to live on your planet long enough to become a succesful race that can travel to other star systems and settle on other planets
[01:37:17] <trentster> not gonna happen if you "shit where you eat" in planetary terms of course :P
[01:37:49] <XXCoder> yep lol
[01:38:05] <XXCoder> trentster: reminds me of this book though
[01:38:16] <XXCoder> time is pretty solid and unalterable
[01:38:35] <XXCoder> time travel could change areas that has not seen for years though
[01:38:50] <XXCoder> so guy stole few long lost stuff
[01:39:22] <XXCoder> and saved one famous lady from past, because her body was never found, nobody will never find it.
[01:40:10] <XXCoder> guy who invented it was playing around a little, grabbed a wood item hours before it was seen. he could chop and break it, but couldnt burn it
[01:40:15] <trentster> Makes one think that "carl Sagan" is probably right when he says that its highly unlikely for any civilization to evolve to the point of being able to colonize other planets. If I recall the saying was “In the long run, the aggressive civilisations destroy themselves, almost always. It’s their nature. They can’t help it.“
[01:40:28] <XXCoder> as soon as it was due to be seen, time portal suddenly closes, and item disappears.
[01:40:56] <XXCoder> he looked at it after it returned and not seen anymore, its back to where its supposed to be
[01:41:04] <trentster> if this was not true we should see evidence of of colonisation bubbles around star systems all over the galaxy - the fact that we do not - does not bode well
[01:41:55] <XXCoder> what if theres censor where if we could see signs of humans in deep space or on earth from wrong time, time machine would not arrive at its location
[01:42:03] <trentster> XXCoder: whats the name of the book - I will keep an eye out for it
[01:42:17] <XXCoder> thats unfortunate part, its hard to find book
[01:42:36] <XXCoder> it might be short story in "the best time machine stories of all time"
[01:42:44] <trentster> XXCoder: I am talking about evidence of colonization from other civilizations - spanning tens of thousands of light years
[01:42:54] <XXCoder> ahh yeah
[01:43:00] <trentster> the light from random ones would have reached here
[01:43:01] <XXCoder> space is big though
[01:43:14] <XXCoder> billions in this galaxy alone
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[01:43:35] <XXCoder> and there is billions of galaxies. we could assign 10 galaxies per person on earth
[01:43:45] <XXCoder> or maybe 100 lol
[01:44:09] <trentster> So the conclusion is, for em at least that its far more likely that aggressive / intelligent civilizations destroy themselves or their planets - rather than say that its beacuase there is no other life in the universe.
[01:44:23] <XXCoder> so life, even intellegnt space faring life have pretty much 100% chance to exist (not counting humans)
[01:44:41] <XXCoder> that is possible yeah
[01:44:56] <XXCoder> we REALLY need faster than light engine.
[01:45:26] <trentster> XXCoder: we gonna have to rename the channel LinuxSciFi if we carry on like this :P
[01:45:39] <XXCoder> NASA's concept of space engine that could go faster than light exists but no idea if works.
[01:45:41] <XXCoder> lol yeah
[01:45:55] <trentster> quantum tunneling
[01:46:30] <XXCoder> dunno if theres ever macro quantium tunnelinh
[01:46:36] <trentster> once again I doubt any of these technologies will ever exist - we would see evidence of this across the universe
[01:47:05] <XXCoder> manfold: space humans are only one.
[01:47:09] <XXCoder> (book)
[01:47:27] <XXCoder> theres 3 more books after that, all different universes but basically same people
[01:47:37] <trentster> XXCoder: yes - thats an awesome book!
[01:47:46] <XXCoder> still yet to get 4th
[01:48:03] <XXCoder> phase space I think
[01:48:28] <trentster> I have read that particular one twice - good old "Reid Malenfant"
[01:48:49] <XXCoder> gonna love that charactor
[01:49:03] <XXCoder> you ever read light of other days?
[01:49:10] <XXCoder> not the love one, the scifi one
[01:49:20] <trentster> nope? you ahve a url for it?
[01:49:25] <XXCoder> a sec
[01:49:53] <XXCoder> Documentary
[01:49:59] <XXCoder> https://www.librarything.com/work/28100
[01:50:03] <XXCoder> paste fail lol
[01:51:28] <trentster> ok cool - I just downloaded it - for tonights reading.
[01:51:39] <XXCoder> you will love it
[01:51:47] <XXCoder> many conceptions and problems with it
[01:51:50] <XXCoder> and ending wow
[01:51:54] <trentster> now - time to get into the garage, cut some chips, and try and tram this new spindle.
[01:51:58] <XXCoder> its why it is #1 book for me
[01:52:30] <trentster> Need to figure out a reliable way to do it with just a single dial indicator
[01:53:03] <XXCoder> well I know some you can check
[01:53:13] <trentster> ? you do
[01:53:14] <XXCoder> finish a block of maybe wood or plastic
[01:53:32] <XXCoder> see if finger smoothly moves from cut to next
[01:53:38] <XXCoder> if angled you will be able to tell
[01:53:51] <XXCoder> do same for another axis
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[01:54:21] <XXCoder> otherwise no idea really
[01:54:49] <XXCoder> I do know theres special tool with TWO dials and you rotate it and it will show where its spin plane is
[01:55:02] <FAalbers> Hello, what does Series mean in the first row here ? http://www.onsrud.com/files/pdf/2012%20LMT%20Onsrud%20Production%20Cutting%20Tools%20Soft%20Wood.pdf
[01:55:03] <XXCoder> and you try to adjust so plane aligns with surface.
[01:55:21] <trentster> Man life is never easy, I used to have the machine on a table that I could 100%level via adjustable feet but the table was not rigid enough - so now I bought a used steel welded work bench from someone, its unbelievable rigid but its not 100% level. Its out by 0.4 degrees in the X and 0.6 degrees in the Y
[01:55:52] <trentster> I dont have feet on my machine it rests on the table - so now I have to look at adding feet - it bloody never ends!!! LOL
[01:57:31] <trentster> XXCoder: I already re-planed the spoil-board last night - its definately out - getting noticable ridge lines on every cut. Not 100% sure its the router/spindle yet as it was also the first time I was using an el cheapo ebay bottom clearing bit.
[01:58:55] <trentster> it was 7/8 inch wide. I am now gonna replane with the same toolpath with a high quality 27mm bottom clearer and see if there is any change. After that I will have to figure out what needs to be done
[02:00:47] <FAalbers> Anyone have an idea what Seroes stands for ?
[02:00:52] <FAalbers> Series
[02:00:52] <trentster> FAalbers: I found this quite useful http://www.onsrud.com/files/pdf/LMT-Onsrud-CNC-Prod-Routing-Guide.pdf
[02:01:27] <FAalbers> Thanks a bunch trentster
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[02:02:39] <gregcnc> Series probably refers to their cutting tool products
[02:05:31] <trentster> FAalbers: https://monosnap.com/file/ifUTp5394RtmftvHFuih7cHnUeQ2u3
[02:05:36] <trentster> Does that help
[02:06:17] <FAalbers> trentster, Yes ! Thank you :)
[02:06:27] <trentster> :D no worries mate
[02:08:32] <gregcnc> trentster you only need one indicator to tram a mill. Two are used to make it faster. Use some stuff to mount the indicator in the spindle and swing it around to see squareness
[02:10:34] <gregcnc> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f20/10114d1234805576-question-about-dial-indicators-tramming-picture-002.jpg
[02:16:23] <XXCoder> trentster: cool hope you figure it out :)
[02:16:42] <XXCoder> and yes it never ends
[02:16:53] <XXCoder> because by time you got it perfect you need more workspace
[02:17:19] <XXCoder> gregcnc: nice
[02:17:42] <XXCoder> I like that, I need a small dial indictor for home
[02:17:55] <XXCoder> any cheap ones? (I dont need $150 one for home)
[02:18:51] <gregcnc> That's how I do my frankenmill with a 10ths indicator. The harder part is squaring the slide in two directions so it cuts perpendicular to the table.
[02:21:17] <gregcnc> I'd try Ebay. www.ebay.com/itm/151910897332
[02:25:23] <gregcnc> in reality the longer the arm it
[02:26:30] <gregcnc> oops, i don't know how square a router really needs to be
[02:26:41] <XXCoder> geez thats more sensive than my .0005 one
[02:26:44] <XXCoder> both of em
[02:26:50] <XXCoder> and 2 together is $300+
[02:27:24] <XXCoder> "calibre before each use"
[02:27:26] <XXCoder> hm
[02:27:39] <gregcnc> I use the same one to center parts in the mill
[02:27:57] <XXCoder> how do I calibre it
[02:29:21] <gregcnc> that particular type has a ratcheting tip. SO if you actually want the reading to be meaningful the stylus has to be at the correct angle as well as the body.
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[02:29:48] <gregcnc> if you need a relative measurement you don't worry about it.
[02:29:52] <XXCoder> meaningful meaning .0001 move = .0001?
[02:29:54] <gregcnc> much
[02:30:00] <gregcnc> right
[02:30:15] <XXCoder> more modern ones I guess dont need that?
[02:30:31] <gregcnc> geometry
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[02:32:08] <gregcnc> it converts angular movement to a number. if the angles are not as designed or you put a longer stylus on it, the readings are not accurate.
[02:32:49] <XXCoder> so far all my use was relative
[02:32:58] <XXCoder> but is that true for all ones now?
[02:33:12] <gregcnc> any lever type
[02:33:24] <gregcnc> like that
[02:35:39] <gregcnc> http://www.mitutoyo.co.jp/eng/support/service/manual/pdf/99MAG023M1_Dial%20Test%20Indicator.pdf
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[02:38:57] <XXCoder> "english"
[02:39:07] <XXCoder> interesting
[02:39:12] <XXCoder> dont think I will need that
[02:39:18] <XXCoder> always been relative so far
[02:40:37] <gregcnc> the numbers are what matters, just an explanation. Check manual for you specific type if you need absolute. some are intended to be at some angle to read off the dial.
[02:43:13] <gregcnc> nite, time to watch some tube, err led backlit lcd pixels
[02:43:13] <XXCoder> cool
[02:43:18] <XXCoder> lol
[02:43:28] <XXCoder> led tube ;)
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[02:54:44] <XXCoder> I wonder if its still possible to buy "dumb" tv
[02:56:50] <AR_> amazingly yes http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xcrt+tv.TRS0&_nkw=crt+tv&_sacat=0
[02:57:05] <XXCoder> lol tube
[02:57:23] <XXCoder> probably have to buy one if I ever want to play with nes zapper
[02:57:53] <XXCoder> though I meant led lcd tv that does not have "smart tv" stuff
[02:58:12] <AR_> oh
[02:58:15] <AR_> there's tone of those
[02:58:16] <AR_> tons
[02:59:10] * XXCoder wonders if there will ever be 0.00005 test indictor
[03:01:45] <XXCoder> wow this is cheap http://www.ebay.com/itm/HFS-Coaxial-Centering-Indicator-Co-Ax-Precision-Milling-Machine-Test-Dial-CNC-/291545489478?hash=item43e1772046:g:OqwAAOSwLVZV4P~Y
[03:01:51] <XXCoder> probably not all that accurate
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[03:37:30] <redlegion> XXCoder: i don't buy for a second that thing is capable of reading .0005"
[03:37:38] <redlegion> it looks like chinese garbage
[03:37:45] <XXCoder> me either
[03:37:58] <XXCoder> actual ones, however, are around $400
[03:38:25] <XXCoder> way too m,uch to just center holes, expectally when I has the C thingy to hold vertical dial test indictor.
[03:38:52] <redlegion> man, grinding things to dead nuts center instantly makes something more expensive
[03:39:00] <redlegion> just by default
[03:39:19] <redlegion> look at those little details with threads you can use to locate threaded holes with a CMM
[03:39:21] <XXCoder> coaxial is very expensive
[03:39:24] <redlegion> $75 to $100
[03:40:26] <redlegion> it's sad how much a $5 piece of steel can be worth after it comes off a jig grinder
[03:40:57] <XXCoder> heh its work that adds much value, not raw material
[03:41:11] <XXCoder> for example wood statue could be less than $1 in value in wood
[03:41:15] <XXCoder> but sold for $100
[03:42:55] <redlegion> i still find it interesting that Hexagon and Zeiss can charge $150 an hour for someone to write a PC-DMIS or Calypso inspection
[03:43:03] <redlegion> it's not rocket surgery
[03:43:55] <XXCoder> I remember this story about retired engineering and expensive repair where he just marked "X" on machine and said that needs to be repaired
[03:44:09] <XXCoder> bill was $20,000
[03:44:18] <XXCoder> they wanted it itemized, he listed it $1 marker $19,999 knowing where to mark it
[03:44:25] <Twist> 'knowing which screw to turn. $19,995."
[03:46:04] <redlegion> eugh
[03:46:54] <redlegion> that was a story about an AC motor
[03:47:03] <redlegion> how many coils, etc.
[03:48:06] <trentster> yay! spindle is now trammed - man, what a difference a couple of well places aluminium foil shimms can make :-)
[03:48:14] <redlegion> that's right, the short scientist with scoliosis
[03:48:19] <trentster> really worth the effort
[03:48:41] <XXCoder> trentster: nice! cuts blend now eh
[03:50:40] <XXCoder> LOL https://media.giphy.com/media/3o8doSm2S3pNXBnYBy/giphy.gif
[03:51:01] <trentster> yeah - I have been doing tiny itterations of improvements then testing by surfacing the spoil board, at the point now with a 27mm bottom cleaner bit i can still see the lines but I can not feel them. This is on a plyboard spoilboard
[03:51:44] <XXCoder> dont think you can ever get rid of lines but cant feel means its very close.
[03:51:57] <XXCoder> did you test another axis too?
[03:51:59] <trentster> so, I am pretty happy with that, I also took off the chinese 80mm spindle mount, sprayed some cutting fluid on some sandpaper, and planed the back until it was perfectly level
[03:52:37] <trentster> Note to folks who use them - it was amazing how bad it was, these cast spindle mounts should not be considered machined and ready to use
[03:54:28] <trentster> XXCoder: yeah the spoilboard pocket toolpath I am using does a raster pocket then at the end does an offset profile pass round the entire perimeter
[03:54:44] <trentster> I leave a lip all the round the spoilboard to help with easy alignment
[03:54:56] <XXCoder> cool
[03:55:03] <redlegion> XXCoder: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/charles-proteus-steinmetz-the-wizard-of-schenectady-51912022/?no-ist
[03:55:12] <redlegion> i think that's the origin of the "where to place the x" story
[03:55:16] <redlegion> from what i can recall, anyway
[03:56:42] <XXCoder> redlegion: nice to know origin
[03:57:22] <redlegion> it was driving me insane after you said that, i hate knowing something but not being able to recall it
[03:57:43] <trentster> I wonder if I can use gregcnc tramming method if I only have a dial indicator and not a "dial test indicator" ?
[03:58:01] <XXCoder> I bet yea
[03:58:08] <redlegion> i wouldn't see why not
[03:58:10] <XXCoder> just need a way to mount it
[03:58:30] <XXCoder> I have dial indictor but its too big for any use, thankfully I didnt pay much for it.
[03:58:43] <XXCoder> might be able to find a way later thouggh
[03:58:45] <trentster> I recall reading somewhere, someone specifically mentioning not to use a dial indicator for tramming
[03:59:14] <redlegion> well, i would think there might be an advantage in not suffering cosine error
[03:59:26] <redlegion> dial test indicators are pretty susceptible to that
[04:00:00] <trentster> XXCoder: I learnt my lesson with tool, save up and buy decent stuff or look for deals on ebay. I now try and get Mitutoyo tools if possible
[04:00:19] <XXCoder> trentster: I do for professional work
[04:00:23] <XXCoder> this ones for home use
[04:00:25] <redlegion> i love my six inch mitutoyo digital calipers
[04:00:33] <XXCoder> wood I dont care about .001" errors
[04:00:41] <XXCoder> love it too
[04:01:46] <redlegion> i dont know why people are so obsessed with starrett
[04:02:00] <XXCoder> I like my starret edge finder
[04:02:11] <XXCoder> dont think I has any ither starret
[04:02:12] <redlegion> their measurement equipment is all junk from china
[04:03:03] <redlegion> starrett chamfer gages are a $580 joke
[04:03:25] <XXCoder> ouch
[04:03:48] <redlegion> pretty much on par with SPI (some parts included)
[04:05:04] <XXCoder> interesing read http://www.mmsonline.com/columns/correcting-for-cosine-error
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[04:08:40] <redlegion> it is pretty interesting. mitutoyo actually gives out tons of literature on how to use all their equipment, including cosine error correction.
[04:09:12] <redlegion> if you're ever in a spot where you need to measure undulations per revolution, look no further.
[04:10:21] <XXCoder> ok
[04:11:12] <redlegion> sorry, i spent a while as a gage technician, my bias runs deep
[04:11:33] <XXCoder> whats gage technician do
[04:12:33] <redlegion> i had to make sure all in-house production gaging was functional
[04:12:54] <redlegion> dials, digital indicators, LVDT's, custom fixtures, plugs, everything
[04:13:13] <redlegion> calibration, repair, ordering new gear, and APQP to boot
[04:13:22] <redlegion> worst. job. ever.
[04:13:31] <XXCoder> ow
[04:13:41] <XXCoder> I wonder what parts inspector is like
[04:13:43] <trentster> redlegion: you must be a master calibrator after that job :-) your expertise would have come in handy today :-)
[04:13:47] <XXCoder> more sitting it seems like
[04:14:05] <redlegion> trentster: i'm always happy to help where i can
[04:14:15] <trentster> Australia is far!
[04:14:18] <trentster> :P
[04:14:29] <XXCoder> easy use portal gun
[04:14:44] <trentster> I was toying with the idea of setting up a camera and live stream in the garage for cnc stuff.
[04:15:12] <trentster> I wonder how hard that would be to do, I have a spare RasPI here I am sure it would make a nice little streaming server
[04:15:15] <XXCoder> thats easy enough to do
[04:15:27] <XXCoder> the pinkgirl (or whatever her nick was in here) did that
[04:15:36] <XXCoder> forgot what site she used though
[04:16:02] <trentster> XXCoder: definition of easy for me = (little time + little effort)
[04:16:11] <XXCoder> eay
[04:16:27] <XXCoder> just get webcam and send info to that site
[04:16:35] <XXCoder> though cant recall what name was.
[04:16:38] <XXCoder> livestream?
[04:17:03] <trentster> yeah I would want to keep streaming stuff off the cnc machine PC
[04:17:17] <trentster> I don't even like surfing the net for linuxcnc manuels from it.
[04:17:30] <trentster> but granted having internet access on it is useful
[04:18:14] <trentster> XXCoder: yeah I know livestream, but its what OS and software to use on the PI which needs investigation
[04:18:23] <trentster> I guess google will be my friend for that one
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[04:21:13] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:21:19] <XXCoder> not too familiar with it either
[04:21:40] <XXCoder> ustream
[04:22:01] <XXCoder> not free though
[04:22:50] <trentster> Yeah this is what I have in mind http://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-webcam-server/
[04:23:03] <XXCoder> nice
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[04:26:12] <Jymmm> http://www.acsys.de/fileadmin/public/Images/Branchenloesungen/Automobilindustrie/acsys_gravuren_oberflaechenstrukturierung_formenbau-x2.jpg
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[04:29:28] <trentster> Jymmm: thats awesome
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[04:32:29] <XXCoder> for a sec I though hand was weirdly tattooed
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[04:39:53] <ve7it> hey Jymmm
[04:41:25] <ve7it> Jymmm, a crazy monsoon just went through here in the last few hours.... 60mph winds and rain like crazy... lots of trees trimmed themselves, but none so far across the powerlines
[04:42:38] <ve7it> Jymmm, https://weather.gc.ca/marine/forecast_e.html?mapID=02&siteID=14301
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[05:31:43] <anomynous> huomenta
[05:35:07] <anomynous> hmm. I guess obs might work for streaming
[05:36:12] <anomynous> you could combine different sources for output video and change between layouts if you want several
[05:37:08] <anomynous> hmm. Luulisin, että obs voisi toimia streamauksessa
[05:38:18] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBmrkE8HUbc so thats how they perferate things
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[07:21:10] <Jymmm> OH YEAH BABY... Godzilla vs Mothra http://www.crackle.com/godzilla-vs.-mothra
[07:37:08] <XXCoder> hey toastydeath
[07:37:16] <XXCoder> your site? heh http://toastytech.com/index.html
[07:37:18] <toastydeath> eh?
[07:37:24] <toastydeath> oh god no
[07:37:28] <toastydeath> welcome to 1998
[07:37:50] <XXCoder> its one of best site for learning about many different OSes
[07:37:57] <XXCoder> but yeah very old
[07:38:16] <XXCoder> http://toastytech.com/guis/index.html
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[08:17:18] <Deejay> moin
[08:18:28] <XXCoder> hey
[08:18:37] <Deejay> hi XXCoder
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[08:51:38] <archivist> will I get a parcel from america before xmas!
[08:52:24] <archivist> ebay estimate is the 28th grrrr
[08:55:03] <archivist> do I make gears for some student "purchase gears for a clock mechanism I am designing for a Senior Project for mechanical engineering."
[08:55:20] <archivist> a cheat
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[09:21:13] <anomynous> why cheat?
[09:21:16] <anomynous> does he have to make it all
[09:22:03] <trentster> Aaah - that was surprisingly easy R20 collet spindle did not come with any spanners - I just created them in Fusion360 and cut them. Came out surprisingly well. :-)
[09:22:16] <archivist> dunno, but a mechanical engineering course?
[09:22:24] <anomynous> if he designs more stuff and makes less ;)
[09:23:32] <anomynous> or designs more and makes more but sources some of it ;D
[09:23:33] <archivist> I think missing out on the making puts you at a design disadvantage
[09:24:11] <anomynous> well, if youre making everything from zero to a clock thats probably more than a schoolproject calls for.
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[09:24:58] <archivist> checked his email, seems a university level
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[09:57:45] <archivist> trentster, does that mean you fixed the vfd?
[09:58:46] <trentster> archivist: yeah I did drop you a message in the channel earlier about it.
[09:58:53] <trentster> I also messaged you privately
[09:59:17] <trentster> The only thing I still need help from you is to get the rpm output into an accurate range
[09:59:39] <trentster> It seems no matter what I try I can not get BOB to output more than 7V
[09:59:53] <trentster> I need it to do 10V for spindle frull rpm 24k
[10:00:19] <archivist> adjust scale to suit
[10:00:46] <XXCoder> wow
[10:00:52] <XXCoder> microsoft just dont care anymore]
[10:01:05] <XXCoder> can download any iso file now, I'm now downloading XP
[10:01:15] <XXCoder> (I have offical copy, just no cd drive!)
[10:01:22] <trentster> archivist canyout tell me what you are using with it ie: your setting?
[10:02:21] <archivist> only by switching my system on, and if I remember correctly I never bothered to scale mine accurately if at all, just made it work
[10:03:04] <anomynous> XXCoder, xp is free now?
[10:03:17] <XXCoder> nah still need serial #
[10:03:44] <archivist> I have some pcs with labels :)
[10:04:53] <XXCoder> might be just sp3 update cd
[10:06:53] <archivist> I got a load from a dead internet cafe, just looked XP home was on them
[10:08:09] <XXCoder> wish I could find my windows 7
[10:08:16] <trentster> archivist define made it work vs accurate
[10:08:16] <XXCoder> I cant even find serial #
[10:08:31] <trentster> does that mean its usable for you and in the range of acceptable?
[10:08:44] <archivist> yes
[10:09:22] <trentster> YOu have a low rpm spindle on your mill right - so you prpobably never ran into the voltage issue
[10:09:41] <trentster> I would be ineterested to see your settings regardless when you are back by machine.
[10:10:03] <trentster> I tried all the stuff I could find in the manuels but still can not get it into even the semi accurate ranges
[10:10:24] <archivist> just play with the numbers to scale it
[10:10:30] <archivist> it wont bite
[10:11:05] <archivist> also define accurate,
[10:14:24] <trentster> my definition of accurate on a 400hz 24k RPM spindle is: 8k rpm = 133Hz: 16k rpm = 266hz : 24k rpm = 400hz
[10:14:35] <trentster> I would be happy to get within 10% of those values
[10:16:09] <archivist> my numbers wont help you adjust yours, you have to set the min and max and hope it is linear enough to get mid range close
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[10:17:24] <trentster> I dont like the whole digital to analog conversion part of the VFD setup, would love to be able to just tell the VFD I want 16k RPM and the VFD does the magic - much more elegant.
[10:18:43] <trentster> I also managed to embed a broken 1/8 inch endmill about 12mm deep into my finger today, that was fun! ….not!
[10:19:05] <trentster> especially the pulling it out part - yuck!
[10:19:17] <archivist> for most cutting spindle speed just affects quality of cut, noise and chip clearance there is usually a wide range of usable
[10:19:59] <archivist> you need the odd painful experience to educate you into some care :)
[10:21:53] <trentster> yup - you definately learn lessons when they are taught the hard way! :P
[10:22:30] <trentster> or at least most of us do - there are exceptions of course like stepping on a land mine.
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[10:39:32] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/wszHHvw PLA matrix.
[10:39:35] <XXCoder> 128 gb ranm
[10:39:36] <XXCoder> ram
[10:39:38] <XXCoder> geez
[10:39:49] <XXCoder> my pc has 16 gb lol
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[11:07:34] <jthornton> morning
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[11:17:34] <MikkoP> Hi! :)
[11:19:25] <MikkoP> Got my stepper motors and drivers a few days back. Started to test them http://i.imgur.com/k0nWa4x.jpg :D
[11:21:22] <XXCoder> hows it working so far
[11:22:26] <MikkoP> Just finished cutting the wires so haven't done anything so far :D
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[11:28:35] <XXCoder> lolm ok
[11:29:27] <MikkoP> Now I'm trying to figure out how to wire the driver to Arduino
[11:29:43] <archivist> best not to, use linuxcnc!
[11:29:53] <kengu> :)
[11:30:05] <XXCoder> man
[11:30:09] <XXCoder> xp is so basic
[11:34:36] <MikkoP> archivist: hah :D
[11:34:48] <MikkoP> archivist: This is just for testing that the drivers and motors work :D
[11:35:31] <archivist> remember the aaaaarghuino probably wont like driving the opto leds in the drivers
[11:37:25] <MikkoP> That was actually something I wondered. Do I need to share ground with Arduino and the higher voltage?
[11:42:56] <archivist> the drivers need current
[11:43:21] <archivist> designed for 5v ish
[11:43:45] <archivist> series R is about 270-330 ohms
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[12:06:07] <MikkoP> This is terrible. I don't have the correct awg wire so either they don't fit in the Arduino and breadboard or then they are too loose and the connection isn't good
[12:14:34] <archivist> breadboard are not suitable for high current, never wire steppers through them
[12:15:41] <MikkoP> archivist: I know, my stepper isn't wired there
[12:16:59] <archivist> jthornton, or get a secondhand renishaw
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[12:45:09] <jthornton> I didn't see any in my price range
[12:46:18] <archivist> took me a while to find any in range
[12:46:56] <archivist> I just bought a bit of renishaw from the states
[12:47:06] <archivist> cheaper than over here
[12:47:37] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400683596800
[12:48:47] <jthornton> what is that?
[12:49:09] <archivist> it is a mount/socket for LT02 type probes
[12:49:55] <archivist> I bought a probe that had the optical rather than direct connection
[12:52:59] <jthornton> I removed all the optical part of this http://gnipsel.com/images/fuji/fuji-01.jpg
[12:53:26] <jthornton> might add a Z axis and use it to measure stuff with the probe
[12:54:07] <jthornton> it does have a working DRO http://gnipsel.com/images/fuji/fuji-06.jpg
[12:54:10] <archivist> I made an optical measuring thing out of a tool setting machine
[12:54:43] <archivist> add a camera maybe?
[12:55:50] <jthornton> that's an idea
[12:56:28] <jthornton> it has about 24" x 24" travel
[12:56:31] <archivist> the probe I got http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/-/221854999870
[12:58:09] <archivist> was expecting to use it on the cmm, but that came with one although the listing said not :)
[13:00:17] <archivist> the tool setting machine before/after http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=citizen
[13:00:58] <archivist> must pretty that up one day
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[13:02:25] <jthornton> I have so many projects I can't even think of all of them
[13:02:53] <XXCoder> I hate mint update.
[13:02:54] <XXCoder> a lot.
[13:03:07] <jthornton> on what
[13:03:10] <XXCoder> it steals focus all time :(
[13:03:18] <jthornton> on debian?
[13:03:25] <XXCoder> yeah xfce mint
[13:03:46] <jthornton> I didn't care for xfce on mint
[13:04:07] <jthornton> i'm using mint mate
[13:04:25] <XXCoder> I love xfce, can change a lot.
[13:04:32] <XXCoder> gnome is so rigid
[13:04:43] <XXCoder> kde is quite rigid but useable
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[13:23:47] <archivist> hmm, a student wants me to quote for two 10 to 1 gear sets without any dimensions and he states its for a clock!
[13:24:08] <archivist> wrong ratios, phail
[13:28:01] <archivist> what does senior project imply at university in the USA
[13:31:52] <XXCoder> archivist: assume its cubits
[13:32:13] <SpeedEvil> archivist: One would hope it implied that the student could tell the time well enough to know the number of hours in a day
[13:33:33] <XXCoder> those 2 10 ratios might be to extend weight fall time
[13:33:47] <XXCoder> but then 2 of em = more friction
[13:34:10] <XXCoder> I made a working clock weight and stuff from lego, and let me tell you guys, its hard
[13:34:19] <XXCoder> one gear literally exploded
[13:35:05] <archivist> SpeedEvil, but 10 to 1 says he lacks clue
[13:35:22] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[13:35:24] <SpeedEvil> regrettably
[13:35:30] <SpeedEvil> Or it could be a digital clock
[13:35:39] <archivist> how do they get into university!#
[13:36:04] <SpeedEvil> http://i.imgur.com/Xhb3WMp.webm
[13:36:07] <XXCoder> gears in digital clock. how reolutary
[13:36:23] <XXCoder> thats new one to me
[13:36:32] <XXCoder> mines weighted and escapement system
[13:36:41] <XXCoder> I'm sure I made lots of mistakes
[13:37:23] <SpeedEvil> I've been watching clickspring, and I don't understand how you'd make a lego clock. Blue doesn't even stick to plastic.
[13:37:56] <XXCoder> http://www.ericharshbarger.org/lego/clock.html
[13:38:11] <XXCoder> mine is based on his, but mine had issues.
[13:38:54] <SpeedEvil> neat
[13:39:47] <XXCoder> I got foot a hour system, which unfortunately was way too fast
[13:40:10] <XXCoder> he managed 1.41" a hour
[13:40:40] <archivist> add an electric wind
[13:41:37] <archivist> eg http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=webb+clock
[13:41:50] <SpeedEvil> Or http://i.imgur.com/maHfCHd.gif - alternate winder
[13:42:08] <archivist> it uses gearing inside the barrel, no clicks needed
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[14:16:52] <Tom_itx> jthornton, expect rain today: http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true&location=USKS0523
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[14:17:19] <jthornton> yea after my nap I expect rain, it's sprinkling now
[14:17:35] <Tom_itx> been raining all night
[14:18:28] <Tom_itx> the bulk of it might slide by you
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[14:18:43] <jthornton> that would be nice if it missed me
[14:19:07] <jthornton> prob work on my over the garage door shelves today... can't paint in the rain lol
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[14:23:32] <MikkoP> XXCoder: http://i.imgur.com/YYibXCZ.jpg
[14:24:56] <MikkoP> XXCoder: Here's a video https://youtu.be/4M1Xv8s3D7U
[14:28:09] <MikkoP> archivist: I checked the breadboard's manufacturer's website and it says max 300 V and 5 A lol
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[14:31:28] <tjtr33> pcw_home, could you guestimate cost of 6i25, cheapo postal shipping to ChiangMai Thailand 50100 and insurance? the tarrifs here are about 21% of those 3 totaled.
[14:34:55] <Jymmm> ONE BILLION DOLLARS <pinky to corner of mouth>
[14:40:35] <tjtr33> :)
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[16:47:48] <JT-Shop> finally making chips again after all that work and computer swapping
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[16:50:48] <Tom_itx> bbq or regular?
[16:55:09] <JT-Shop> I don't even know what a chip tastes like anymore lol
[16:55:24] <Tom_itx> hah
[16:55:32] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure i do either honestly
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[17:17:24] <JT-Shop> looks like a wall of rain about 100 miles west of me
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[17:21:55] <JT-Shop> nap time here
[17:22:22] <Roguish> hey JT. your Probe querry sure got a lot to response.
[17:22:49] <Roguish> I have added 'probe-screen' to my config. it's pretty good.
[17:23:18] <Roguish> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/49-basic-configuration/29187-work-with-probe
[17:23:34] <Roguish> try it, you'll like it.
[17:29:25] <Tom_itx> nice
[17:29:26] <JT-Shop> Roguish: cool
[17:30:40] <Roguish> pick up the files from his git https://github.com/verser-git/probe_screen
[17:31:53] <JT-Shop> are the files big?
[17:32:01] <Roguish> not at all
[17:32:15] <Roguish> big like gigs?
[17:32:22] <Roguish> no
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[17:35:43] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcazGaRj9Xs Jim Craig's Learning LinuxCNC channel
[17:36:06] <zeeshan|2> anyone here got linuxcnc-features working?
[17:36:27] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/S1cWSwF.jpg
[17:36:35] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/X9DwlTs.jpg
[17:38:00] <_methods> looks more like the learning about touchprobes channel
[17:38:05] <CaptHindsight> so lead does grow on trees up there :p
[17:39:01] <CaptHindsight> _methods: he said he's planning on several more
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[17:43:11] <zeeshan|2> its not lead
[17:43:12] <zeeshan|2> its aluminum
[17:43:13] <zeeshan|2> :)
[17:44:01] <Roguish> zeeshan|2 : LinuxCNC Features >> see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giJUiZVTXas
[17:44:14] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 those are aluminum leaves?
[17:44:23] <zeeshan|2> Roguish: i cant get it to run
[17:44:25] <Tom_itx> i thought you were casting lead
[17:44:26] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: yes
[17:44:29] <zeeshan|2> nahh
[17:44:36] <zeeshan|2> i said id like to try to cast lead too
[17:45:01] <Tom_itx> what did you do to get them to turn out?
[17:45:05] <Tom_itx> heat the mold more?
[17:45:09] <zeeshan|2> yes
[17:45:18] <zeeshan|2> you pretty much need the aluminum to stay molten
[17:45:21] <zeeshan|2> for like 30 seconds in the mold
[17:45:33] <zeeshan|2> and the only way i get that to happen was keep the mold at around 800C
[17:46:10] <zeeshan|2> other thing is
[17:46:16] <zeeshan|2> you need enough molding aluminum in the riser
[17:46:20] <zeeshan|2> *molten
[17:47:14] <Tom_itx> inside your oven?
[17:47:29] <zeeshan|2> i preheat mold in the same kiln yes
[17:48:12] <zeeshan|2> im really on a mission to get linuxcnc-features working today :{
[17:48:15] <Tom_itx> those are gonna be heavy ornaments
[17:48:17] <zeeshan|2> halp! !:D
[17:48:25] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[17:48:31] <zeeshan|2> theyre about 8oz each
[17:49:06] <Tom_itx> you bring me your intake manifold and i'll give you a leaf in return
[17:49:17] <zeeshan|2> haha
[17:51:58] <zeeshan|2> to make the mold
[17:52:01] <zeeshan|2> i used peel milling
[17:52:11] <zeeshan|2> for the stem specifically, i was using a 1/8" end mill
[17:52:15] <zeeshan|2> at .25 doc
[17:52:18] <zeeshan|2> it works amazing..
[17:52:21] <zeeshan|2> i really love peel milling!
[17:52:43] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: nah, are you sure, they look like lead from here :p
[17:52:53] <zeeshan|2> lead is a lot more greyer
[17:52:59] <zeeshan|2> its quite different :P
[17:53:04] <CaptHindsight> maybe it's my screen
[17:54:59] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:55:05] <zeeshan|2> im looking at my electricity use from last night
[17:55:05] <zeeshan|2> wow!
[17:55:33] <zeeshan|2> its actually not that much
[17:55:34] <zeeshan|2> im suprised
[17:56:10] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/F2TDAiF.png
[17:56:14] <zeeshan|2> i had the cnc machine running
[17:56:21] <zeeshan|2> and oven running from 6 to 11
[17:56:39] <CaptHindsight> how many watts is your kiln?
[17:56:54] <zeeshan|2> only 4000W
[17:57:03] <zeeshan|2> oh and i had my other 4000W heater running
[17:57:16] <zeeshan|2> so that 9kWh is pretty spot on
[18:00:03] <t12> mornin
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[18:05:19] <zeeshan|2> Roguish: do you use linuxcnc-features?
[18:05:50] <Roguish> zeeshan|2 no, i haven't used it but I have gotten it set up.
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[18:06:08] <zeeshan|2> Roguish: is it the only glade panel in your linuxcnc?
[18:06:13] <zeeshan|2> (are you using axis)?
[18:06:28] <zeeshan|2> i want to set it up so its another tab on the gladevcp.
[18:06:36] <zeeshan|2> so it doesnt interfere w/ my custom panel i have setup
[18:06:51] <Roguish> usually. axis on the physical mill. whatever on my desk test system.
[18:07:11] <zeeshan|2> if i type ./features.py
[18:07:12] <zeeshan|2> it runs
[18:07:16] <zeeshan|2> but its another window
[18:07:24] <Roguish> I think it will actually run stand-alone.
[18:07:25] <zeeshan|2> but even w/ the other window, i try to make a simple bolt circle and get an error
[18:07:49] <zeeshan|2> gonna boot up the comp,.
[18:08:19] <Roguish> yeah, not sure. probably not much help here. it's been a while since I played with it.
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[18:32:28] <maxcnc> good evening from germany
[18:32:50] <maxcnc> x-mas maket is over and ive sold 90% off all parts !
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[18:52:50] <maxcnc> Gn8
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[19:16:18] <anomynous> any americans around?
[19:17:45] <anomynous> i was wondering. Ive heard that it isnt really possible to get a carrier contract without getting a phone. Is that how americans get phones? Get a new contract and "free" phone which you pay by being tied to the contract for a period of time.
[19:18:38] <anomynous> are there any shops where theres a bunch of phones and you can pick the one you like?
[19:18:57] <anomynous> or are you also picking your carrier if youre picking your phone?
[19:21:01] <CaptHindsight> you can buy phones without a contract that are unlocked
[19:21:39] <anomynous> so theyre locked too. do they unlock after youve paid the phone to the carrier?
[19:21:50] <CaptHindsight> you can also buy a SIM and purchase talk&text seperatly from a phone
[19:22:08] <anomynous> dont phones always have sim?
[19:22:10] <cncbasher> zeeshan|2 , setting linux features in a glade tab is 2 lines in your ini file
[19:22:12] <CaptHindsight> you can buy them locked or unlocked
[19:22:33] <CaptHindsight> CDMA phones do not use a SIM
[19:22:40] <anomynous> is it possible to have carrier without phone?
[19:22:57] <CaptHindsight> anomynous: sure
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[19:23:41] <CaptHindsight> many carriers will sell you a SIM and you can pay for a month of talk and text in advance
[19:23:48] <zeeshan|2> cncbasher: what are they? :)
[19:23:50] <zeeshan|2> i tried a few combos
[19:23:54] <CaptHindsight> you can move the SIM to any unlocked phone
[19:24:26] <CaptHindsight> anomynous: you can also just purchase data time in advance without any talk or text
[19:24:38] <anomynous> in advance? Here they charge after, but theres pre-paids also available
[19:24:54] <CaptHindsight> advance = pre-paid
[19:25:01] <anomynous> yes
[19:25:16] <CaptHindsight> just pay for the one month, no contract
[19:25:33] <anomynous> those are expensive here
[19:25:49] <CaptHindsight> it's been slowly coming down here
[19:26:17] <CaptHindsight> I get my phones in Hong Kong
[19:26:21] <anomynous> we have contracts and sims. people can get the phone they want, but theres also joined deals...
[19:26:24] <CaptHindsight> use them in the USA
[19:27:08] <CaptHindsight> if you buy a phone under contract here you can unlock it after you pay off the contract
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[19:27:27] <anomynous> this came to my mind after seeing an advert saying: No annoying joined deals! You can buy device and carrier deal separate or joined. Either way it is equally cheap!
[19:27:29] <anomynous> or something
[19:28:59] <CaptHindsight> you can even have an unlocked CDMA phone and pre-pay for 1 month
[19:30:26] <anomynous> are joined deals the usual way to get a phone or something?
[19:30:50] <anomynous> its been some time, but ive heard that carriers have huge impact in usa in who can get in to the phone market and who can not
[19:31:01] <anomynous> some = a lot of time
[19:31:39] <CaptHindsight> since cellphones became status symbols people get their $800 phone for $100/mo over 2 years with talk/text/data
[19:32:38] <JT-Shop> Roguish: there is an error in the readme for probe
[19:32:38] <anomynous> so its really a $2400 phone? ;D
[19:33:10] <anomynous> or $2000 phone
[19:33:19] <Roguish> for probe-screen?
[19:33:24] <Roguish> could be.
[19:33:35] <CaptHindsight> $2400 with monthly service, so it works out closer to $1200 for service and $1200 for the phone
[19:33:47] <JT-Shop> emc/task/emctask.cc 389: interp_error: Named parameter #<_ini[toolsensor]rapid_speed> not defined
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[19:34:30] <anomynous> thats quite a bit for the service
[19:34:32] <Roguish> rapid speed is put into the .ini file.
[19:35:45] <JT-Shop> it's there, the read me said RAPID_FEED after the error I changed it to RAPID_SPEED but still the same error
[19:37:08] <CaptHindsight> anomynous: most people don't seem to care or even notice, they just want their shiny status symbol
[19:37:21] <CaptHindsight> now
[19:37:21] <Roguish> yeah, deep into the posts that come up. also you gotta be really careful with the default speeds and such. it's set in metric.
[19:37:23] <CaptHindsight> anomynous: most of the market counts on consumers not being able to analyze, compare, plan etc
[19:37:23] <anomynous> CaptHindsight, unlimited everything is about half the price monthly
[19:37:23] <anomynous> or wanting that phone ;D
[19:37:24] <cncbasher> what error jt ?
[19:37:27] <JT-Shop> yea I noticed that the speeds were mm
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[19:38:56] <Roguish> i've tested some of the routines, but not all of them. i don't have a real probe, just a janky test probe. figure i should play before investing and risking a real probe.
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[19:39:54] <anomynous> CaptHindsight, thanks :) im going
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[19:42:04] <JT-Shop> I was just playing on an Axis sim
[19:42:53] <Roguish> good idea.
[19:42:54] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t34.0-12/12358056_10153769532873648_499662788_n.jpg?oh=ce4489aadb1105dc4d3a93ba0fd0f16e&oe=56703DBE did a little box for some dog ashes today =)
[19:43:08] <MrSunshine> the mitered box is done in the cnc machine .. its amazin what a fit one can get =)
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[19:46:41] <Roguish> MrSunshine, I always wanted to make a titanium box for my father.
[19:50:56] <MrSunshine> thats nice =)
[19:51:18] <MrSunshine> this one is for two dogs, they were buddies aparently .. so she wanted a box for the two to be together =)
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[20:31:16] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/nRFpIh3.png
[20:31:20] <zeeshan|2> error that i am getting..
[20:34:12] <zeeshan|2> i think its a path error
[20:35:42] <ReadError> what is this features?
[20:37:27] <zeeshan|2> yes
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[20:46:13] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 what do these new features do?
[20:46:35] <JT-Shop> its a graphical ngcgui
[20:46:47] <Tom_itx> seems to be a pain to make it work
[20:47:13] <Tom_itx> especially if you're using the side pannel already
[20:47:19] <JT-Shop> yea, they get too complicated and picky
[20:48:02] <Tom_itx> who wrote it?
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[20:48:26] <JT-Shop> I think a russian guy did
[20:48:34] <JT-Shop> Nick somethign
[20:48:56] <zeeshan|2> gimme a few bit, ill be back
[20:49:29] <JT-Shop> I'd rather have a button that popped up something like my G code generator and when you close it your back in Axis
[20:49:56] <Tom_itx> or even a separate app
[20:50:09] <Tom_itx> seems a pain to integrate it
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[20:50:37] <JT-Shop> launching a child from Axis then sending the output to Axis is not hard
[20:51:43] <Tom_itx> wonder when this weather is supposed to clear
[20:52:55] <JT-Shop> we are just on the edge of it and it's going NE
[20:53:00] <JT-Shop> or more NNE
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[20:54:49] <JT-Shop> well let me see if I can weld the brackets the right way round this time :(
[20:54:57] <Tom_itx> heh
[20:55:23] <Tom_itx> seems about nap time
[20:57:19] <JT-Shop> been there done that today
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[21:08:55] <irontree9> about a day away from firing up my first, a hobbycnc machine.
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[21:09:23] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:15:57] <JT-Shop> ended up with 4 left and 4 rights... now for some paint
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[22:17:30] <JT-Shop> over the garage door shelf brackets done and painted
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[23:07:23] <JT-Shop> ouch the gladevcp docs are less than clear
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[23:25:17] <zeeshan|2> lol jt
[23:25:19] <zeeshan|2> tell me about it!
[23:26:18] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 get it working?
[23:26:19] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/mcNffSC.jpg
[23:26:20] <JT-Shop> I need to work on them with some simple examples, I think folks relate better to simple
[23:26:22] <zeeshan|2> i was busy cleaning that :P
[23:26:27] <zeeshan|2> that one is for the wifey
[23:26:38] <JT-Shop> nice, you cast that?
[23:26:42] <zeeshan|2> yessir
[23:26:46] <JT-Shop> sweet
[23:26:54] <JT-Shop> what metal?
[23:26:54] <Tom_itx> painted?
[23:26:57] <zeeshan|2> al
[23:26:57] <Tom_itx> aluminum
[23:26:58] <zeeshan|2> no paint
[23:26:59] <zeeshan|2> bare
[23:27:04] <zeeshan|2> i think im gonna pocket a wood piece
[23:27:07] <zeeshan|2> and embed it in there
[23:27:08] <Tom_itx> it looks gold
[23:27:22] <Tom_itx> just the pic angle?
[23:27:56] <zeeshan|2> lol it looks silver on my screen!
[23:28:09] <zeeshan|2> color settings? :D
[23:28:11] <JT-Shop> looks goldish on my screen
[23:28:19] <zeeshan|2> wow
[23:28:25] <zeeshan|2> seriously looks silver on mine!
[23:28:37] <zeeshan|2> we have some optical illusion thing going on
[23:28:37] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:28:47] <Tom_itx> well we're both ole pharts and can't see
[23:28:53] <Tom_itx> you win
[23:28:58] <zeeshan|2> does it have a gold tinge
[23:29:01] <zeeshan|2> or is it completely gold
[23:29:06] <zeeshan|2> from your eyes
[23:29:14] <JT-Shop> huh what did you say
[23:29:17] <Tom_itx> sure you're not just hiding gold ingots?
[23:29:22] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:29:41] <Tom_itx> gold is more yellowish anyway
[23:29:42] <zeeshan|2> i learned a couple things about casting
[23:29:51] * JT-Shop works on his gladevcp probe tab
[23:29:56] <Tom_itx> don't spill it in your boot?
[23:29:57] <zeeshan|2> you really want your mold to be around 3/4 the temp of the metal
[23:30:06] <zeeshan|2> and the metal should be 250C over the melt temp
[23:30:11] <JT-Shop> yea the mold has to be very warm
[23:30:12] <zeeshan|2> otherwise it cools down too fast during pouring
[23:30:22] <JT-Shop> do you have a pyrometer?
[23:30:22] <Tom_itx> yeah that gives you time to work with it
[23:30:24] <zeeshan|2> no
[23:30:32] <zeeshan|2> i was going by making sure the mold was cherry red
[23:30:34] <JT-Shop> you can make them easy
[23:30:40] <zeeshan|2> and it remained cherry red after the pour
[23:30:55] <zeeshan|2> it takes 1 min to solidify
[23:30:58] <zeeshan|2> so not as efficient
[23:31:24] <zeeshan|2> also i now know why you gotta clean the slag before pouring
[23:31:24] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:31:34] <JT-Shop> casting cannon balls from lead we just put the mold over the furnace to warm it up
[23:31:42] <zeeshan|2> it stays as a percipitate in the melt
[23:31:45] <zeeshan|2> anmd ruins the surface finish
[23:31:53] <zeeshan|2> ah jt
[23:31:59] <JT-Shop> did you put salts in to pull the slag out
[23:32:02] <Tom_itx> what do you put in it to pull the impurities out?
[23:32:03] <zeeshan|2> no
[23:32:06] <zeeshan|2> just scooped the top
[23:32:08] <zeeshan|2> and poured :P
[23:32:13] <zeeshan|2> ghetto casting!
[23:32:20] <Tom_itx> you can put some powder in it...
[23:32:23] <Tom_itx> i dunno what it is
[23:32:29] <zeeshan|2> i think its some flux poweder?
[23:32:31] <Tom_itx> draws out the impurities
[23:32:31] <JT-Shop> sprinkle some morton lite salt in
[23:32:32] <zeeshan|2> powder
[23:33:17] <JT-Shop> you been to alloy avenue?
[23:33:22] <zeeshan|2> no
[23:33:29] <JT-Shop> you need to
[23:33:31] <JT-Shop> http://www.alloyavenue.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?4-Metalcasting-forums
[23:33:31] <zeeshan|2> btw i cant get glade to work with linuxcnc either :/
[23:33:52] <Tom_itx> where's your pic of the mold?
[23:34:01] <JT-Shop> the loadusr command messing you up?
[23:34:08] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/JGMOShj.jpg
[23:34:18] <zeeshan|2> JT-Shop: no im not sure what path its trying to look for
[23:34:27] <zeeshan|2> i got my status panel to become a tab using that load usr command
[23:34:27] <JT-Shop> I got it working but didn't like the way the docs
[23:34:59] <JT-Shop> nice mold
[23:35:09] <zeeshan|2> thanks :D
[23:35:18] <Tom_itx> yeah that does look nice
[23:35:21] <zeeshan|2> you guys gotta recommend me a proper engraving bit
[23:35:24] <JT-Shop> path for?
[23:35:26] <zeeshan|2> i really hate engraving
[23:35:28] <Tom_itx> what bit did you use for the veins?
[23:35:36] <zeeshan|2> china carbide bs
[23:35:37] <zeeshan|2> thats all i had
[23:35:41] <Tom_itx> i got my engraving bits off ebay
[23:35:48] <zeeshan|2> they break too easy
[23:35:58] <Tom_itx> i just used em on aluminum
[23:36:19] <Tom_itx> check that carbide place jt likes
[23:36:26] <zeeshan|2> GLADEVCP = -U --catalog=lathe features.ui FEATURES_PATH = /home/zeeshan/linuxcnc-features
[23:36:30] <zeeshan|2> i aded those two lines in the ini
[23:36:33] <zeeshan|2> and it freaks out
[23:36:40] <Tom_itx> http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/
[23:36:48] <Tom_itx> they may have some, i dunno
[23:36:52] <zeeshan|2> ill check it
[23:37:36] <JT-Shop> you need to know one word about engraving Onsurd
[23:37:50] <JT-Shop> oh you trying the features stuff...
[23:37:57] <zeeshan|2> yes
[23:38:08] <zeeshan|2> basically says
[23:38:15] <zeeshan|2> "could not find glade file 'features.ui''
[23:38:16] <JT-Shop> Onsrud
[23:38:21] * zeeshan|2 googles
[23:38:31] <Tom_itx> yeah they make good stuff
[23:39:07] <JT-Shop> that ini line don't look like anything I've seen
[23:39:11] <Tom_itx> http://ballewsaw.com/onsrud-37-01-single-flute-sc-engraving-tools.html
[23:39:18] <Tom_itx> you'll pay for em too
[23:39:31] <zeeshan|2> hm
[23:39:35] <zeeshan|2> they dont look much diff than the china ones
[23:39:58] <zeeshan|2> http://www.2linc.com/engraving_tools_tough_tip.htm
[23:39:59] <JT-Shop> they say that they don't do steel... but they do
[23:39:59] <Tom_itx> maybe better carbide
[23:40:00] <zeeshan|2> this looks really nice
[23:40:16] <zeeshan|2> and strong
[23:40:20] <zeeshan|2> but never heard of this company before
[23:40:24] <zeeshan|2> ive heard the name onsurd before
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[23:40:48] <JT-Shop> Onsrud
[23:40:48] <Tom_itx> those might hold up better than the half round ones china makes
[23:40:57] <JT-Shop> I misspeleld it
[23:40:59] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:41:31] <JT-Shop> http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/
[23:41:34] <Tom_itx> i musreaded what you misspeleld so it came out perfict
[23:41:48] <JT-Shop> that's where I get my carbide end mills from
[23:41:55] <JT-Shop> lol
[23:42:13] <JT-Shop> that was funny right there, I don't care who you are
[23:42:29] <zeeshan|2> wow
[23:42:31] <zeeshan|2> their prices are nice
[23:42:38] <zeeshan|2> 27 bux for a3/8 carbide rougher
[23:42:42] <Tom_itx> lakeshore?
[23:42:44] <zeeshan|2> made in usa
[23:42:45] <zeeshan|2> yea
[23:42:47] <zeeshan|2> http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/38carbideroughingendmill.aspx
[23:42:54] <JT-Shop> they make some good stuff
[23:42:57] <Tom_itx> some dude here swears by em
[23:43:03] <JT-Shop> been using them for years
[23:43:20] <zeeshan|2> ive been scavenging ebay for hanita
[23:43:23] <zeeshan|2> :D
[23:43:29] <zeeshan|2> ill give these guys a try
[23:43:54] <zeeshan|2> i hate it when i follow instructions
[23:43:56] <zeeshan|2> word for word
[23:44:00] <zeeshan|2> and things dont work :(
[23:44:11] <JT-Shop> yea, know what you mean
[23:44:18] <zeeshan|2> the only difference is i have python 2.6
[23:44:20] <zeeshan|2> and not 2.7
[23:44:24] <zeeshan|2> i dont think that should make a big diff
[23:44:33] <zeeshan|2> cause ive got the app working standalone
[23:44:39] <zeeshan|2> but just not embedded
[23:44:41] <JT-Shop> shouldn't make much difference
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[23:44:49] <JT-Shop> what OS are you running?
[23:44:54] <zeeshan|2> 10.04
[23:45:11] <zeeshan|2> i will upgrade to wheezy when i get the new mobo
[23:45:17] <JT-Shop> yuck
[23:45:22] <zeeshan|2> im copying that system you listed on the forums
[23:45:30] <JT-Shop> I hated wheezy
[23:45:40] <JT-Shop> LinuxMint with Mate
[23:45:43] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, you still use lucid on anything?
[23:45:52] <JT-Shop> yea
[23:46:01] <JT-Shop> lucid = 10.04?
[23:46:02] <zeeshan|2> why mint over debian
[23:46:04] <zeeshan|2> yes
[23:46:15] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:46:19] <JT-Shop> much better behaved
[23:46:27] <JT-Shop> yea, 3 have 10.04 on them
[23:46:31] <os1r1s> Whats a good brushless DC motor driver for sherline/taig sized machines?
[23:46:37] <Tom_itx> why do they keep switching flavors?
[23:46:40] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: what behaves better? The desktop?
[23:46:42] <os1r1s> Was it applied motion controls?
[23:46:43] <zeeshan|2> linuxcnc mint -- are their precompiled real time packages?
[23:46:44] <Tom_itx> support?
[23:46:46] <JT-Shop> debian with anything is annoying
[23:47:16] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/files/linuxmint/mint-emc.txt
[23:47:20] <Tom_itx> os1r1s, pcw_home probably has one
[23:47:27] <JT-Shop> no, but it only takes a few to set up
[23:47:57] <zeeshan|2> those are detailed instructions :)
[23:48:00] <JT-Shop> CaptHindsight: debian wheezy is just very annoying to use, nothing works right
[23:48:10] <CaptHindsight> I ran Linuxcnc on Mint maybe 18 months ago. Also tried Mate
[23:48:13] <JT-Shop> installed it 6-8 times to be sure
[23:48:33] <JT-Shop> well nothing except openbox on debian
[23:48:34] <CaptHindsight> we run Gentoo on anything we want to be able to fix
[23:48:39] <zeeshan|2> somoene please install linuxcnc-features with me :{
[23:48:44] <zeeshan|2> https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[23:48:46] <zeeshan|2> instructions onthis page!
[23:48:56] <JT-Shop> why do you want that?
[23:49:04] <zeeshan|2> nice interface
[23:49:05] <zeeshan|2> for g-code
[23:49:21] <zeeshan|2> its really the most feature filled conversational addon
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[23:49:32] <zeeshan|2> way better than torcrap
[23:49:40] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: where does your install fail?
[23:49:49] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: i can't get the embeded version to work
[23:50:05] <zeeshan|2> i can type ./features.py in the application directory, and get it to launch standalone
[23:50:08] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, what ver lcnc does that work on?
[23:50:16] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: as far as i know, any
[23:50:18] <zeeshan|2> 2.6+
[23:50:37] <Tom_itx> will it work if you're using a ngcgui pannel already?
[23:50:45] <zeeshan|2> it just seems like linxcnc doesn't know where to look for the file "features.ui"
[23:50:47] <zeeshan|2> it cant find it
[23:51:22] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: does it create this path when you install? FEATURES_PATH = /home/fernand/linuxcnc-features
[23:51:31] <zeeshan|2> no
[23:51:38] <zeeshan|2> you download it to a directory of your choice
[23:52:03] <Tom_itx> it probably wouldn't work in sim would it?
[23:52:12] <zeeshan|2> it should
[23:52:29] <CaptHindsight> and then change the above FEATURES_PATH = to the actual one?
[23:52:35] <zeeshan|2> i did :)
[23:52:41] <zeeshan|2> it wont find features.ui
[23:52:44] <zeeshan|2> the first line
[23:52:51] <CaptHindsight> but it doesn't want to work eh :(
[23:53:27] <JT-Shop> zeeshan|2: did you create the links?
[23:53:31] <zeeshan|2> ues
[23:53:32] <zeeshan|2> yes
[23:53:57] <zeeshan|2> they have an automatic setup file
[23:53:59] <zeeshan|2> gonna try that..
[23:54:06] <zeeshan|2> brb
[23:54:07] <JT-Shop> your going to make me try it aren't you?
[23:54:25] <Tom_itx> he keeps dropping hints for ya
[23:54:31] <JT-Shop> lol
[23:55:08] <Tom_itx> i don't wanna screw up my current setup or i'd try it
[23:55:20] <JT-Shop> I'll do a sim
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[23:56:20] <Contract_Pilot> Sup...
[23:56:51] <Contract_Pilot> Mesa still out of stock on the 7I76's no responce to e-mails going on 3 months now.
[23:56:53] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: you have a probe?
[23:57:28] <JT-Shop> ask Peter
[23:57:40] <Contract_Pilot> May have to use this 7I77 and go to servo's on my 704 hahaha over kill.
[23:57:45] <Tom_itx> i do but it's not hooked up
[23:58:27] <Tom_itx> i understand he's been ill or had surgery or something
[23:59:23] <JT-Shop> yea something about health I've heard...
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