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[00:00:27] <JT-Shop> the tire they sent lol
http://www.amazon.com/Michelin-Dynamic-Classic-Tire-Black/dp/B00IFC1CT8/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1449619206&sr=8-33&keywords=700x25c
[00:00:29] <thesaint> thanks!
[00:00:43] <jdh> the co2 comes from backcountry. You can get 12% cashback if you click through activejunkie.com to backcountry
[00:01:39] * JT-Shop wonders where the wife is...
[00:01:52] * Tom_itx as well
[00:02:03] <Tom_itx> mine not yours
[00:02:29] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/xboxhacker/OpenFeeder "WARNING: This is my very first ever 3D Cad design." yet also states "Most likely over engineered!"
[00:02:33] <JT-Shop> oh I see a text she is just leaving work
[00:02:50] <JT-Shop> understand
[00:03:33] * JT-Shop twists his hat around and goes to start the jambalaya
[00:03:43] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
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[00:09:49] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight what was that contraption?
[00:10:25] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: tape feeder for an open pick-n-place
[00:10:33] <Tom_itx> ahh
[00:10:44] <Tom_itx> i saw the feed teeth
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[00:14:26] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/xboxhacker/OpenFeeder/blob/master/PHOTOS/exploded_view.jpg
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[00:20:25] <thesaint|2> JT-Shop - quick question - 'file ended with no percent sign... - OD.ngc, for some reason the script will not load in linuxcnc without that error message, any idea?
[00:21:14] <jdh> you need a postamble with a % or m2 in it
[00:22:26] <thesaint|2> a postamble?
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[00:23:08] <thesaint|2> jdh - so simply have a line with m2 as the end of the script?
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[00:23:16] <jdh> yes, or %
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[00:23:24] <thesaint|2> thanks!
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[00:28:29] <t12> sweet
[00:28:33] <t12> i just scored a varian IGP
[00:48:26] <PetefromTn_> Awesome!!.....er WTF is that?
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[00:54:49] <CaptHindsight> type pf vacuum pump
[00:56:29] <andypugh> thesaint|2: I have a set of scripts that I use for nearly everything. Demo video here. No G-code is needed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIYMfyf4jDI
[00:58:52] <thesaint|2> andypugh - thanks, i will take a look!
[01:00:13] <thesaint|2> custom gladeVCP gui - how do i set that up? are there instructions anywhere? thanks..
[01:02:06] <andypugh> You can download the whole thing from:
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/41-guis/26550-lathe-macros?limitstart=0
[01:02:51] <thesaint|2> looks good..
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[01:03:33] <thesaint|2> i just restored an emco pcturn55, took a while but all working. Now I learn to use linuxcnc...
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[01:04:06] <andypugh> For more than one or two parts then something that generates a G-code program like ngcgui probably wins, but for “thinking in metal” which I do a fair bit of, I like my macros.
[01:05:44] <thesaint|2> yes, I would like to learn but i need to start somewhere. I would also like to make some parts now..
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[01:06:24] <andypugh> My macros work like a sort-of souped-up power feed. So should get you going pretty quickly.
[01:07:18] <thesaint|2> where do i download the latest versions? is it the zip on the first page of the thread?
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[01:07:33] <andypugh> Yes, I keep updating the zip in the first post
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[01:12:24] <thesaint|2> okay, got the files, had a quick look. How do I set this up? Do I simply copy the files somewhere into my linux cnc install and modify some ini files? thanks.. - the readme did not detail - sorry for all the questions.
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[01:14:59] <andypugh> Copy all the G-code files and PNGs into the same folder as your iNI file, then add the gladevcp line to the INI.
[01:15:00] <andypugh> I think
[01:15:06] <andypugh> It’s been a while
[01:16:18] <thesaint|2> do i need to install glade also? (is this part of linuxcnc already?) thanks..
[01:16:33] <andypugh> You should already have Glade.
[01:16:36] <thesaint|2> ok and then when i start up linuxcnc next it will be as shown?
[01:16:40] <andypugh> (You will find out, I guess)
[01:16:46] <andypugh> Should be
[01:17:07] <thesaint|2> with the extra 'cycles' tab...
[01:17:13] <andypugh> Yes
[01:17:43] <thesaint|2> cool..
[01:18:58] <thesaint|2> got it.. will try that tomorrow. many thanks! looks great...
[01:19:31] <thesaint|2> off to bed, late here and tired...
[01:20:03] <thesaint|2> thanks for the help! goodnight..
[01:20:26] <FAalbers> nite ... I'ma going home. Still at work
[01:21:22] <andypugh> Where is “here”?
[01:21:45] <andypugh> {‘cos it’s late here too, so may be the same “here”)
[01:21:57] <andypugh> Ah, I see, .de
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[01:59:48] <cncnoob> Hey! I have a brideport interact 1 that has had the TCN-151 controller removed. I only have single phased 220v power, can I hook this machine to single phased power just to test the servo's and amps? (Spindle motor is disconected) My amps are single phased as well
[02:00:18] <andypugh> Tr it. Too-low voltage will either work or not.
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[02:00:55] <PetefromTn_> I run a similar machine entirely on 230v single phase LOL
[02:01:06] <cncnoob> Thanks Andy! I'll try it out!
[02:01:17] <cncnoob> Anythign I should be aware of?
[02:01:37] <andypugh> I don’t really know, I don’t know much about the details of that machine.
[02:01:40] <cncnoob> possible damage or letting out any magic smoke? *cant put it back in:)*
[02:02:00] <andypugh> If they are velocity servos then they are likely to drift. Possibly quickly.
[02:03:02] <cncnoob> ok ill be on the look out. With the controller removed Ill just try a 1.5v battery for command voltage...
[02:03:44] <andypugh> You might have to set some enable lines.
[02:04:31] <cncnoob> hmm.. Ok ill read the schematic and see what it requries for an enable signal
[02:06:02] <cncnoob> Thanks, this channel rocks!
[02:08:41] <andypugh> Time for me to log off. For some reason the guys at work expect me to be awake.
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[02:17:34] <cncnoob> PeteFromTN, where are you at in TN?
[02:17:43] <cncnoob> What mill do you use?
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[02:20:11] <PetefromTn_> Oh I thought you did not hear me ;)
[02:20:22] <PetefromTn_> I am in the Knoxvegas area
[02:20:30] <PetefromTn_> and I have a cincinatti Arrow 500 VMC
[02:24:43] <CaptHindsight> cncnoob: are the servo amps powered by 2-pole or 3-phase?
[02:25:11] <CaptHindsight> soory you already said they are single phase
[02:25:26] <cncnoob> Im in Madison AL area, I picked this mill up in Savannah TN
[02:25:43] <cncnoob> Wish I had a VMC!
[02:26:13] <PetefromTn_> oh you have an interact knee mill I thought you had the small interact VMC
[02:26:55] <cncnoob> CaptHindsight Yes they are single phased. Just trying to make sure I dont burn it up :)
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[02:27:44] <cncnoob> no just a small knee mill compared to the VMC's. Im a hobbyist~!
[02:28:15] <cncnoob> Pete, thatll be the next one.. Just have to convience the wife of that1
[02:28:24] <PetefromTn_> I hear ya LOL
[02:28:49] <cncnoob> how do you like your VMC?
[02:29:12] <PetefromTn_> Oh it's very nice. Would be even nicer If I ever finished the toolchanger LOL
[02:29:39] <PetefromTn_> but yeah it makes some very pretty parts for me daily. It has paid for itself several times over by now
[02:29:41] <cncnoob> Ok, so lets trade :) Ill fix the tool changer!
[02:29:56] <PetefromTn_> Ok what do you want to trade ;)
[02:30:30] <cncnoob> I want a small vmc but everything I found was so worn out and approx 8-10k range that I was afriad of trying to do a retrofit..
[02:31:13] <cncnoob> You can have my wife! haah then she cant say no! that'll learn her! lol
[02:31:40] <PetefromTn_> my machine is a linear guideway machine and has no hydraulics... everything is either electronic or pneumatic
[02:31:57] <PetefromTn_> I already have a wife and she probably does not want to share LOL sorry
[02:32:24] <cncnoob> I hear that linear was the way to go, makes a tight machine, has that been your experience?
[02:32:36] <cncnoob> lol
[02:32:57] <PetefromTn_> well linear is just less capable of taking really heavy cuts generally speaking
[02:33:20] <PetefromTn_> but the good part is if you do have a problem you can replace the guideways but it is not cheap really
[02:33:45] <PetefromTn_> I have had it for a year or two now and have made a lot of parts on it. SO far so good!
[02:34:11] <cncnoob> nice! Did you buy it for a retro? Or did it go out on you first?
[02:34:31] <PetefromTn_> well
[02:34:37] <PetefromTn_> I bought it partially working
[02:34:41] <cncnoob> *popcorn
[02:34:49] <PetefromTn_> and spent some considerable money fixing it
[02:34:54] <PetefromTn_> then it broke again
[02:35:06] <PetefromTn_> spent some considerable more money fixing it...AGAIN
[02:35:14] <PetefromTn_> then it broke AGAIN.
[02:35:18] <PetefromTn_> so I said screw it
[02:35:26] <PetefromTn_> and gutted it like a freakin' pig
[02:36:05] <cncnoob> did you go with the 5i25 7i77 combo? or did you use another soluition?
[02:36:08] <PetefromTn_> I replaced basically everything electronically speaking except for the coolant pump and spindle motor
[02:36:27] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I used the 5i25/7i77 and Teco servos and drives from Machmotion
[02:36:37] <PetefromTn_> I used a Hitachi VFD for the spindle drive
[02:36:56] <cncnoob> what size spindle motor does that have on it?
[02:37:06] <PetefromTn_> 10hp
[02:37:20] <cncnoob> thats must have been a large vfd
[02:37:24] <PetefromTn_> its kind of a strange motor
[02:37:46] <PetefromTn_> it actually spins 12k RPM and the spindle is geared down 2-1 so the max RPM is 6000 RPM
[02:37:57] <PetefromTn_> Its a 15hp VFD...
[02:38:20] <cncnoob> Thats a lot of torq
[02:38:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah it gets it done :D
[02:39:00] <cncnoob> If you had to do it over again, would you do it the same way?
[02:39:24] <PetefromTn_> well yeah I am right now working on a CNC lathe using the same basic setup
[02:40:22] <cncnoob> That would be awesome. Could make anything real quick like!
[02:41:23] <cncnoob> im thinking about the 5i25 / 7i77 setup in this knee mill. Something for now, then maybe get a vmc later after I build the shop. Im in the garage as of now.
[02:41:30] <PetefromTn_> its pretty decent. I have worked in a couple pro machine shops and feel like I could do basically anything they can to the same accuracy they can here in my own shop now. Can't wait for the CNC lathe to be done.
[02:41:46] <PetefromTn_> heh I am in the garage too
[02:41:49] <cncnoob> how far along are you?
[02:42:05] <cncnoob> What size lathe are you setting up?
[02:42:09] <PetefromTn_> well I just bought MOST of the electronics this month
[02:42:29] <cncnoob> i hear mesa is way behind in orders
[02:42:51] <PetefromTn_> This lathe is a Standard Modern CNC lathe, it is a flatbed lathe with about 14.5x40
[02:43:36] <cncnoob> thats enough to do anything I could think of.. too bad you dont want to trade me :)
[02:44:06] <cncnoob> I assume you are wanting to go servo's?
[02:44:08] <PetefromTn_> that is pretty much how I feel about it
[02:44:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah I bought brand new DMM servos and drives
[02:44:31] <PetefromTn_> 750watt AC
[02:44:36] <cncnoob> that hurt the wallet
[02:44:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[02:44:46] <PetefromTn_> about a grand for both axes
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[02:45:40] <cncnoob> well im going to jump off of here! Talk to you later! take care
[02:45:51] <PetefromTn_> good luck man
[02:46:17] <cncnoob> you too! bye
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[07:53:55] <Deejay> moin
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[10:58:13] <jthornton> morning
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[11:35:32] <XXCoder> anomynous: your video view is top down?
[11:35:41] <XXCoder> er sorry wrong person ding
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[11:38:17] <_methods> so you still have a job XXCoder ?
[11:38:29] <malcom2073> Morning
[11:38:31] <XXCoder> yeah they definitely was not happy at all
[11:38:40] <_methods> well you survived your first crash lol
[11:38:51] <XXCoder> but they gave me lecure about the rule of theirs
[11:38:56] <XXCoder> the anti-crash policy
[11:39:10] <_methods> hahah no crash policy
[11:39:11] <malcom2073> Heh, anti-crash policy? I'd like to see a pro-crash place
[11:39:24] <XXCoder> basically if change tools, always dead slow and confirm right tool at right place
[11:39:27] <_methods> the pro crash guys all go out of business pretty quick lol
[11:39:32] <XXCoder> I usually do, but forgot yeserday
[11:39:35] <XXCoder> indeed lol
[11:40:07] <_methods> most places won't fire you for crashing
[11:40:12] <_methods> they know it happens
[11:40:17] <XXCoder> unless its a habit
[11:40:21] <_methods> yeah
[11:40:44] <_methods> don't do it 2x in a year and you should be fine lol
[11:41:07] <XXCoder> anyway guy fixed the fixture by removing 3 supports, the facing it off
[11:41:15] <XXCoder> then re-adding supports after deburring em
[11:41:36] <XXCoder> then reset then made new index hole since supports cant be placed exactly same place.
[11:41:59] <_methods> you better bring that guy some beers
[11:42:11] <XXCoder> I should but dunno who did lol
[11:42:16] <XXCoder> day shift
[11:42:45] <XXCoder> my boss's boss come by and pointed to the sign on machine
[11:43:36] <XXCoder> the sign on many machines that states the anticrash policy lol
[11:44:49] <_methods> wow it's supposed to be 77F here on saturday lol
[11:45:02] <XXCoder> HEAVY thunderstorm here
[11:45:23] <XXCoder> in least I think so, sky flashes is odd
[11:45:38] <XXCoder> reminds me of that silly horror movie lol
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[12:37:40] <Tom_itx> zeeshan wanna make spare funds? start making some of these:
http://www.moroso.com/eb/catalog/navigationPath//1::Moroso%20Performance%20Products/100000::Accumulators/%7B14041%7D::Accumulator,%203%20quart%20capacity.html
[12:38:49] <Tom_itx> morning jthornton
[12:39:15] <jthornton> morning Tom_itx
[12:39:32] <jthornton> going to get warm and wet here this weekend
[12:39:59] <Tom_itx> friday high 68
[12:40:20] <Tom_itx> says snow sunday
[12:42:02] <zeeshan> why tom
[12:42:08] <zeeshan> moroso makes good ones
[12:42:25] <Tom_itx> brain dead simple thing for $250
[12:42:32] <zeeshan> hehe
[12:43:03] <zeeshan> i got an interview today
[12:43:06] <zeeshan> ahhh
[12:43:10] <zeeshan> and tomorrow
[12:43:11] <zeeshan> i hope they go well
[12:43:15] <zeeshan> one place is 8 min down the road
[12:43:17] <Tom_itx> good luck
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[12:45:28] <zeeshan> thanks :D
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[13:21:38] <MikkoP> Hi! Got my motors today :D
[13:26:53] <MikkoP> We talked about powering those earlier but don't remember what was the result. So my steppers take 3 A and my drivers take 42 V max. So we talked 36 V would be good but the amperage was a little unclear. Should I have at least 9 A to drive those simultaneously or what?
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[13:49:33] <Tecan> yellow jb weld clear epoxy is amazing for plastic or ceramic
[13:49:49] <Tecan> you can let it setup for 2 min and pull off a patch if you want too
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[13:54:21] <enleth> XXCoder: your story reminds me why I always liked articulated arm robots better than cartesian machines
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[13:55:48] <enleth> their movement is so complex that they absolutely require full knowledge of the geometry of the arm and any attachments at all times and it's way more enforced than with machining equipment
[13:58:02] <enleth> if you order a VMC to rip apart its own table, it will happily proceed to do that, if you order a 6R robot to self-collide, it will, at best, suggest the closest safe approach and refuse to move
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[14:34:59] <ssi> morn
[14:35:20] <SpeedEvil> oon
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[16:50:41] <PetefromTn_> SICK_AS_A_DOG...............GAAH
[16:51:22] <toastydeath> any of you guys ever use a rheometer?
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[17:20:41] <Loetmichel> toastydeath: whats that?
[17:22:33] <archivist> google rheology
[17:23:05] <archivist> another name would be viscometer
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[17:23:17] <Loetmichel> got it
[17:23:21] <Loetmichel> no, nevr used one
[17:23:50] <Loetmichel> i measured the viscosity of oils with a glass tube, a steel ball and a stopwatch
[17:24:00] <Loetmichel> but not with a real measurement device
[17:25:17] <archivist> although the ultimate has to be
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_drop_experiment
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[17:27:24] <archivist> and dont use thixotropic grease on your gears on a stepper system, its funny/messy
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[17:33:24] <CaptHindsight> toastydeath: like this?
http://media.americanlaboratory.com/m/20/article/38508-fig2.jpg
[17:35:42] <CaptHindsight> toastydeath: or do you need to measure shear?
[17:36:09] <CaptHindsight> are the fluids newtonian?
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[17:40:51] <toastydeath> (i'm stuck on a conference call but I am reading)
[17:45:51] <toastydeath> the fluids are overwhelmingly newtonian; the idea of having a heated cell for plastics is appealing but an abstract advantage
[17:46:58] <CaptHindsight> what's your actual question?
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[18:06:36] <toastydeath> I'm interested in a) the limitations and benefits to a rheometer vs a viscometer, and what I need to look for in a rheometer to make sure it's functional if i buy it
[18:06:51] <toastydeath> I'm measuring fluid viscosity before doing other experiments
[18:07:01] <toastydeath> to control the data for dynamic viscosity
[18:07:12] <toastydeath> medium weight oils, mostly
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[18:08:02] <toastydeath> CaptHindsight: there is the potential I'd want to use a heated cell to look at plastics but that's not a guarnatee yet
[18:08:19] <toastydeath> it is a remote, minor wishlist item
[18:08:30] <toastydeath> versus what I really need which is the actual viscosity of an unknown oil
[18:08:56] <toastydeath> before using it for other experiments
[18:09:59] <Jymmm> LICK IT, then see how far and long your tongue will slide
[18:11:12] <toastydeath> "Quantative analysis of shear forces in a liquid via gustational analysis"
[18:11:46] <toastydeath> I have a bunch of veritcal wicking tests I am going to be doing, and the material to be wicked is oil
[18:11:55] <MikkoP> Would I be able to use this kind of power supply to operate my stepper drivers?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251929195856
[18:12:07] <Jymmm> toastydeath: Why dnt you talk to those places that you send in used motor oil into.
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[18:12:28] <toastydeath> because this is going to be a recurring need
[18:12:36] <toastydeath> and i also like scientific equipment and learning how to use it as a hobby
[18:12:47] <MikkoP> I know it has way too much power for my needs but is that type suitable for such use
[18:12:55] <Jymmm> toastydeath: No no, I mean for thoughts/ideas on a device, not theri services
[18:12:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.brookfieldengineering.com/download/files/Viscometer%20vs.%20Rheometer.pdf
[18:12:59] <membiblio> Where is the default axis.ngc file located? Can that initial 'splash' nc file be specified?
[18:13:47] <membiblio> And - when other gui's are launched - are they looking for additional configuration data?
[18:14:03] <toastydeath> CaptHindsight: awesome, ty
[18:14:09] <membiblio> While axis launched - other gui's throw errors and do not launch.
[18:14:09] <CaptHindsight> toastydeath: the spindles and the meter usually come separately
[18:15:13] <toastydeath> yeah, i have noticed that on the viscometers
[18:15:37] <CaptHindsight> toastydeath:
http://www.brookfieldengineering.com/img/products/accessories/spindles/lv_spindles.gif
[18:15:43] <toastydeath> the rheometers seem to be parallel disk measurement for the most part but it's hard to tell if the entire column is intact
[18:16:00] <toastydeath> my main concern is that a viscometer is dead simple to operate
[18:16:17] <toastydeath> I can pick up either a rheometer or a viscometer for about the same price but the rheometer is a lot more complicated
[18:16:30] <CaptHindsight> if they are newtonian then you just need a viscometer
[18:16:53] <toastydeath> sold
[18:17:54] <CaptHindsight> non newtonian fluids like housepaint or lotions with suspended particles are different
[18:18:12] <membiblio> No one knows about axis and axis.ngc? :)_
[18:19:00] <maxcnc> membiblio: look at open_file in the references ini
[18:19:17] <maxcnc> you can load what ever you want
[18:19:23] <maxcnc> from whereveryou want
[18:20:16] <maxcnc> membiblio:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/config/ini_config.html#sub:DISPLAY-section
[18:20:20] <membiblio> maxcnc axis.ngc is not shown in any of the config files, I'd like to load another 'splash' nc file on startup
[18:20:43] <maxcnc> OPEN_FILE = /full/path/to/file.ngc
[18:20:59] <maxcnc> what ever you want what ever name it says
[18:21:15] <membiblio> so Open_file is not there by default, so axis.ngc is hard coded into axis?
[18:21:17] <maxcnc> or woudt you like to modify the original
[18:21:28] <maxcnc> no
[18:21:46] <membiblio> No - it is not there by default and is hard coded into axis?
[18:21:55] <maxcnc> in defferent versions the file is named different
[18:22:10] <maxcnc> what version are you using
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[18:23:13] <membiblio> In my version 2.6.4 it open axis.ngc by default.
[18:23:41] <toastydeath> CaptHindsight: one last question, and this is a shot in the dark
[18:24:03] <membiblio> But I have yet to find axis.ngc - everyone always says ALL the config info in in your working directory but that is not quite true.
[18:24:09] <toastydeath> I have seen a few torsion balance viscometers
[18:24:12] <toastydeath> like this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fisher-MacMichael-Viscometer-MDl-90-P-N-602661-30-Day-Guarantee-Used-/400861914629
[18:24:22] <toastydeath> I'd much rather spend 200 on this than 500 for a digital one
[18:24:31] <toastydeath> but I am not sure how it's read out
[18:24:51] <toastydeath> and i'm looking at that rod and can't tell if it's supposed to be that way or is damaged
[18:26:45] <maxcnc> membiblio: yust press edit file and save it to your name you want
[18:27:41] <skunkworks> membiblio,
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py;hb=00581f61750f2b94bc3515da0f89f0cfd8a14c4e#l3300
[18:27:48] <membiblio> maxcnc - You are not making sense. What file? Yes I CAN edit ANY file but that does not help me.
[18:28:18] <membiblio> skunkworks - What is that link for?
[18:28:33] <maxcnc> there is your axis.ngc
[18:29:22] <membiblio> That is axix.py from git - the python source for the axis gui - how does that help me - I already have that on machine?
[18:30:01] <maxcnc> membiblio:
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=share/axis/images;h=66a21028ddf26a3a135906d75e2960a64c62fd1c;hb=HEAD
[18:30:27] <maxcnc> there is axis.ngc
[18:30:34] <maxcnc> but its also on your mashine
[18:31:11] <maxcnc> "sudo find \ -iname 'axis.ngc'
[18:32:04] <skunkworks> ok - backup - if you want to open a different gcode file - edit your ini and add the open_file = in your display section
[18:32:05] <skunkworks> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html#_display_section
[18:32:26] <membiblio> max - yes I know - easy basic xnix - I thought someone here might be integrating like us - but I guess not. Thank you anyways.
[18:32:55] <archivist> toastydeath, if it is torsion I would expect to see a vertical wire
[18:33:12] <archivist> odd that it is not central
[18:33:55] <maxcnc> membiblio: we make better gcosde for owr own shops
[18:34:05] <archivist> toastydeath, and I bet the spring will need to be changed for differing ranges
[18:34:25] <toastydeath> archivist: that's my fear
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[18:34:50] <toastydeath> i'm usually willing to take a risk for 200 bucks but this one has one too many indicators it's broken
[18:35:21] <toastydeath> and i don't have enough shit to manufacture my own torson rods
[18:36:14] <archivist> a bit like the torsion springs in 400 day clocks
[18:36:59] <toastydeath> i was thinking it could maybe be a steel cable rather than a rod but that seems unlikely
[18:37:05] <toastydeath> best to just bite the bullet and buy the digital one i guess
[18:39:03] <archivist> I like measuring toys but never needed viscosity yet
[18:39:33] <maxcnc> archivist use a ketchup one
[18:39:47] <toastydeath> I'm doing a bunch of experimentation with e-cigarette/vaping stuff
[18:40:07] <toastydeath> this is the first stage of trying to figure out actual values for other studies
[18:40:43] <toastydeath> right now all the studies are basically inventing their own methodology wholecloth without any sound backing
[18:41:00] <toastydeath> so I'm trying to come up with a consistent, deterministic method
[18:51:34] <CaptHindsight> aren't vape liquids just propylene glycol, gylcerol and nicotine acid?
[18:52:01] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: and some aromes
[18:52:19] <toastydeath> yep
[18:53:21] <CaptHindsight> toastydeath: do you really need actual viscosity numbers or just relative?
[18:53:49] <CaptHindsight> 220cPs vs just thicker/thinner
[18:54:17] <toastydeath> the relative difference matters a lot, so it doesn't need to be absolute but it needs to be quantitative difference
[18:54:28] <toastydeath> "this is 10 ToastyUnits thicker"
[18:54:42] <toastydeath> the most practical way for me to get that is just using cP
[18:54:49] <toastydeath> on an actual absolute measurement
[18:54:56] <CaptHindsight> maybe just get a Zahn cup
[18:55:32] <toastydeath> that's a possibility, i also may use a glass capillary viscometer
[18:56:54] <CaptHindsight> depends on how wide a range you'll be in
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[18:58:24] <CaptHindsight> vape juice is ~$5/L to make in low volume
[19:00:00] <CaptHindsight> what do they charge for 20mL? $5
[19:00:23] <toastydeath> 30 mL is around 20-30 USD
[19:01:09] <toastydeath> sometimes cheaper
[19:01:43] <maxcnc> did the gas price drop as the oilprice dropped today in the USA as well
[19:01:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.vistavapors.com/kiwi-watermelon/ 32mL plastic bottle $7.50
[19:01:56] <CaptHindsight> maxcnc: yes
[19:02:02] <maxcnc> ;-)
[19:02:16] <CaptHindsight> they are trying to kill the shale oil producers
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[19:02:41] <maxcnc> what did donald say about it maybe on his advise it came along
[19:03:00] <toastydeath> CaptHindsight: the issue is that it's actually pretty hard to come up with a flavor that isn't god awful
[19:03:27] <maxcnc> Gn8
[19:03:31] <toastydeath> the very inexpensive fluids are aimed at people who have just switched over from cigarettes on a very inexpensive ecig
[19:03:31] <CaptHindsight> $7.50 x 31 = $232
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[19:03:49] <toastydeath> so most people are willing to pay a lot more because you don't go through a whole shitload of it
[19:04:51] <CaptHindsight> $20 x 31 = $620, quite a profit margin
[19:04:56] <toastydeath> very large
[19:05:07] <toastydeath> if only you can sell it
[19:05:18] <toastydeath> it's a lot like perfume, in that many people try, and almost everyone fails
[19:05:33] <toastydeath> once you're in, you're a made man
[19:06:55] <toastydeath> the startup costs are also very large
[19:07:38] <CaptHindsight> to build a brand yes, to make juice nope
[19:07:53] <toastydeath> no, just to make the juice
[19:08:11] <CaptHindsight> where does the expense come in?
[19:08:17] <toastydeath> it's exactly analogous to perfume - you wind up needing tons of flavors
[19:08:27] <toastydeath> the materials for any given bottle are cheap
[19:08:47] <toastydeath> having a starting palette where you're likely to make something where you don't immediately vomit is not cheap
[19:08:53] <CaptHindsight> then you are going about it wrong
[19:09:17] <toastydeath> i'm listening
[19:10:17] <CaptHindsight> flavorings are also low cost
[19:10:28] <CaptHindsight> sounds like propaganda
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[19:10:42] <toastydeath> < toastydeath> the materials for any given bottle are cheap
[19:11:01] <toastydeath> the fact you need 2000 bottles is what sucks, it's not the fact the bottles are inexpensive per unit
[19:11:12] <toastydeath> the challenge here is to not throw up
[19:11:17] <CaptHindsight> 2000 bottles of what?
[19:11:27] <toastydeath> different flavorings
[19:11:30] <CaptHindsight> flavors?
[19:11:46] <CaptHindsight> who told you that?
[19:12:00] <toastydeath> Told me? I'm actually close to a shitload of people in the industry
[19:12:06] <toastydeath> I've seen it in person
[19:12:23] <toastydeath> the start up cost for an individual learning to make this shit is not cheap
[19:12:42] <toastydeath> if you want to make it for yourself, knock yourself out on whatever budget you want
[19:12:45] <CaptHindsight> you certainly don't need a viscometer
[19:12:50] <toastydeath> I'm not making fluids
[19:13:12] <toastydeath> none of what we're discussing with cost of fluid production relates to my project
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[19:14:14] <toastydeath> (nor do i really want to make fluids, even though i may give it a shot briefly)
[19:15:21] <CaptHindsight> <toastydeath> I'm doing a bunch of experimentation with e-cigarette/vaping stuff so that was a non-sequitur
[19:15:57] <toastydeath> i am doing analysis on the mechanical properties of vaping equipment
[19:16:02] <CaptHindsight> or a tangent
[19:16:34] <toastydeath> i was responding to your questions about price and why the profit margins stay so high instead of crashing
[19:16:48] <toastydeath> so yeah, tangental to what i'm doing but still in the same industry
[19:16:50] <CaptHindsight> sorry I asked
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[19:34:06] <Magnifikus> so today i milled with the spartan3 fpga stuff
[19:34:08] <Magnifikus> went well :)
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[22:03:15] <andypugh> 4-way crimper, works for Lemo. as 10% of the cost of the real one.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007G5QBDC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
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[22:15:57] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:28:38] <MrSunshine> http://forumbilder.com/image/0O4 anyone know what this is? =)
[22:33:32] <andypugh> it’s a twirly thing
[22:34:13] <andypugh> Given that it has an encoder, I think it might be a coil winder.
[22:36:03] <MrSunshine> sure its an encoder? =)
[22:36:15] <andypugh> No.
[22:36:57] <andypugh> Could be a tacho, or an aluminium cased velociraptor for all I can tell from the photo.
[22:38:35] <gregcnc> It doesn't seem to have a convenient way of removing anything that might be wound?
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[22:49:38] <CaptHindsight> maybe itsa clutch
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[22:52:35] <CaptHindsight> MrSunshine: what do we win if we guess correctly?
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[22:52:46] <andypugh> It’s a brushed motor.
[22:54:08] <andypugh> I go for it being a turboencabulator:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
[22:55:02] <CaptHindsight> looks like it's sitting on top of an induction cooktop
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[22:58:51] <andypugh> Yes. Is that critical to the function?
[23:00:05] <MrSunshine> flux capacitor winder i think
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[23:37:00] <JT-Shop> chargers rate by Ah and batteries rate by cold cranking amps, any way to figure out what the Ah of a battery is?
[23:38:03] <cradek> no, unfortunately, those two things are not particularly related
[23:38:48] <cradek> you can get big batteries and small batteries with the same CCA (ability to crank an engine when cold), but they will have very different Ah (total capacity - how long can they do it?)
[23:39:06] <cradek> by big/small I mean what you read on the tape measure
[23:39:13] <JT-Shop> that must be what the reserve minutes is
[23:39:19] <cradek> yeah possibly
[23:39:24] <cradek> I've never heard of that one
[23:39:30] <JT-Shop> 700 amps x 120 reserve minutes
[23:39:44] <cradek> I bet a lot of it is marketing mumbo jumbo
[23:39:52] <gregcnc> reserve minutes is related to Ah.
[23:39:54] <JT-Shop> yea for sure
[23:40:15] <cradek> get the largest (by tape measure) battery that will fit in your car and that has the right connectors :-)
[23:40:20] <gregcnc> I think it's 20A load. so that would give 40Ah
[23:40:42] <vexation> 25A I think..
[23:40:56] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: the only way would be to test it yourself or get a battery where they have an Ah rating
[23:41:10] <gregcnc> maybe 25A I don't remember any more
[23:41:50] <JT-Shop> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LX3AS6?keywords=battery%20maintainer&qid=1449673431&ref_=sr_1_8&sr=8-8
[23:42:12] <JT-Shop> looking for a battery maintainer for my equipment and truck
[23:42:35] <JT-Shop> back hoe, crawler/dozer, tractors, etc.
[23:43:01] <CaptHindsight> looks like a good one
[23:43:22] <JT-Shop> I have the small one for my motorcycles and like it
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[23:43:40] <gregcnc> I use a batteryminder
[23:46:37] <gregcnc> http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332201_200332201
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[23:48:03] <gregcnc> I have that one. The have new models, so Northern must be clearing them out.
[23:48:16] <JT-Shop> on a good note I got the siding up today
[23:48:33] <JT-Shop> I like the NOCO Genius
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[23:53:19] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: did you reach 60 today?
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[23:53:46] <toastydeath> I think fedex broke my new oscilloscope =(
[23:54:01] <toastydeath> "new"
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[23:54:45] <JT-Shop> 64°F I think, tee shirt all afternoon
[23:56:56] <JT-Shop> yuck
[23:57:45] <JT-Shop> ordered a co2 tire filler and got a tire instead...
[23:58:32] <tiwake> turning aluminum \o/
