#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-12-03

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[00:03:59] <Tom_itx> andypugh good you make up for it in satisfaction
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[00:06:04] <JT-Shop> all the parts cut out for the over the garage door storage system... time to take off my fabrication hat and put on my chef hat
[00:06:12] <JT-Shop> goodnight
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[00:31:03] <CaptHindsight> CNC Router Machine Kit - 4 foot X 8 foot $3,499 or best :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Router-Machine-Kit-4-foot-X-8-foot-v4-3-blackFoot-by-BuildYourCNC-/380466651968
[00:36:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vulcan-Plasma-Cutting-Table-/181937761915 $4k or best
[00:36:41] <CaptHindsight> looks at least 4' x 8'
[00:41:11] <CaptHindsight> Hardinge HC Chucker w/Bandit CNC Control $1,575 or best http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hardinge-HC-Chucker-w-Bandit-CNC-Control-Dunham-Pneumatic-Collet-Closer-/252091733075
[00:42:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/YAM-CNC-lathe-CK-1-needs-repair-/291556346940 garage sized for $1,900
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[00:45:47] <CaptHindsight> wasn't someone looking for one of these recently? http://www.ebay.com/itm/One-Bridgeport-4hp-series-2-CNC-Three-Milling-machines-to-pick-from-pick-one-/141839570910
[00:49:48] <CaptHindsight> Supermax YCM-60A VMC $5k and $7.70 shipping http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermax-YCM-60A-CNC-Vertical-Machining-Center-Milling-Machine-Fanuc-OM/331714268823?
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[00:56:02] <jdh> what are all those toggles on the hardinge?
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[01:08:20] <andypugh> This isn’t CNC at all is it?
[01:08:21] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hardinge-HC-CNC-Lathe-Turning-Center-7762987-/201473337022
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[01:20:00] <malcom2073> Man, I need a more powerful PC. This is taking forever to run an openscam simulation heh
[01:27:35] <andypugh> Reading back: (finishing a glass of the whisky that a guy in Aus bought me for making Ner-a-Car parts): markvandenborre: I think that the goodenough plasma looks goed enough. There are no cutting forces, so it’s not hard in principle.
[01:28:46] <CaptHindsight> jdh: no GUI either
[01:29:04] <andypugh> It’s not how I would do one, but I have started to get serious about my CNC machines, even though it is a money pit hobby. I spent more on the Mesa cards for my current project than on the whole of my Chines mill/lathe combo.
[01:30:28] <andypugh> Incidentally, this is why I don’t make money on the Ner-a-Car parts: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ner-a-Car-Starter-Parts-17T-/111836025048
[01:30:34] <gregcnc> is Mesa catching up on orders?
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[01:31:05] <andypugh> gregcnc: I don’t know, I told Pete there was no hurry for mine, and it took 6 weeks.
[01:31:38] <andypugh> (And there was no hurry, I am waiting for castings)
[01:31:48] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: good whiskey? what's it taste like?
[01:32:00] <gregcnc> oak mostly?
[01:32:38] <andypugh> It’s Glenfiddich. It tastes fine, but not as good as my normal choices.
[01:32:55] <gregcnc> I had that once, it was terrible.
[01:33:45] <andypugh> I wouldn’t say it was terrible. It’s quite a lot nicer than many worse drinks.
[01:34:04] <CaptHindsight> I'm partial is Islays: Ardbeg, Laphroaig, Lagavulin
[01:34:37] <andypugh> I generally drink Highland Park
[01:34:59] <andypugh> Or Talisker if I fancy a change
[01:35:17] <andypugh> But, to be honest, I have yet to find an alcoholic drink I didn’t like.
[01:36:16] <jdh> miller lite
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[01:36:37] <andypugh> I even liked that after forcing down the first 8 pints.
[01:36:47] <gregcnc> Will the 7i77 handle a 24V spindle encoder? Is it practical to use a voltage divider to get 5V signal, or should i just start looking for a 5V sensor?
[01:37:17] <andypugh> I am pretty sure that Pete has said that a voltage divider is fine
[01:38:00] <CaptHindsight> I'm battling with a *duino currently
[01:38:32] <andypugh> gregcnc: Yes: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/29427-encoder-voltage#60698
[01:38:42] <CaptHindsight> most of the info has been dumbed down so I have the 2560 datasheet open
[01:39:35] <CaptHindsight> whats the easiest way to get a Linuxcnc GUI on windows?
[01:39:53] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: I got quite familiar with that when I was playing round with the Resolver shield.
[01:40:16] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Would VNC count as an answer?
[01:40:34] <andypugh> Alternatively, maybe Rockhopper?
[01:40:40] <gregcnc> great. thanks. one check off the list, actually two I have a 24V turret encoder.
[01:41:01] <CaptHindsight> or Virtualbox with Linux and X
[01:41:40] <andypugh> Do you want to actually move machinery from the GUI window?
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[01:43:14] <CaptHindsight> yeah but it's a small machine with only one axis
[01:43:41] <CaptHindsight> little chance of anything running away and hurting anyone
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[01:55:23] <malcom2073> Where's the fun in that?
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[02:45:24] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: http://diylilcnc.org/bigshoulders/
[02:46:42] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: I meant the *really* ghetto one with encoder wheels cut with scisors out of sheet metal and stuff.
[02:47:28] <CaptHindsight> oh wow I don't recall that one. I must forget some things to keep sane.
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[03:01:17] <gregcnc> must be this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rQ4xKRfXts
[03:01:40] <FinboySlick> gregcnc: That's it!
[03:02:22] <PetefromTn_> jeez man must you guys keep posting that disaster LOL
[03:02:43] <gregcnc> makes me feel better about my frankenmill
[03:02:50] <PetefromTn_> hehe thats true
[03:02:54] <FinboySlick> Oh my. I hadn't heard the audio before.
[03:03:01] <PetefromTn_> that would make about any disaster look good
[03:03:09] <FinboySlick> Wow...
[03:03:42] <CaptHindsight> when I see a reprap I really don't see much difference
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[03:05:16] <CaptHindsight> it's more kinetic sculpture than machine tool
[03:05:25] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight I never thought I would think there was something worst than a reprap but damn...
[03:05:33] <PetefromTn_> worse
[03:06:25] <Tom_itx> what a pos
[03:06:41] <FinboySlick> On the positive side, it's probably a lot cheaper than a reprap.
[03:06:57] <PetefromTn_> I especially like the rat chewed particle board frame spars
[03:07:27] <CaptHindsight> rat chewed, he only had rock hammers and fish teeth as tools
[03:07:48] <Tom_itx> hobby servo for z?
[03:08:16] <PetefromTn_> whats really amusing is the first comment that comes up is tellling him he is feeding too slow and rubbing. I think if he fed faster the whole machine would collapse in on itself.
[03:08:30] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: looks like it
[03:09:06] <CaptHindsight> 16um per step resolution
[03:09:22] <Tom_itx> good for a laugh...
[03:09:46] <CaptHindsight> i wish it was sold complete
[03:10:14] <CaptHindsight> I don't think that I could actually assemble that myself
[03:10:53] <gregcnc> I'd pitch the pile in the dumpster the day i sobered up
[03:11:23] * Tom_itx gives gregcnc alot more whiskey
[03:11:51] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_cpCxzXbOg why bother chewing on particle board when you can just get some lego's?
[03:12:04] <Tom_itx> the dude spent countless hours designing and building that.. i bet he's proud
[03:12:14] <CaptHindsight> I bet that I could freehand anything as good as that or better
[03:12:30] <Tom_itx> with your teeth?
[03:12:39] <CaptHindsight> rock hammer
[03:13:05] <PetefromTn_> love the tight runout on that lego spindle ;)
[03:13:06] <Jymmm> Hey, what do you expect for a plastic drill/mill =)
[03:14:04] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfvH1Vw0t1s Lego pick and place...
[03:14:10] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXI9vv4fjoU he has a V2
[03:15:55] <FinboySlick> I can't say anything harsh about the guy or his frankenmachines. At least he's building stuff which is a lot better than I can say for myself lately.
[03:15:58] <PetefromTn_> well it's not QUITE as big a piece of shit I guess...
[03:16:16] <Tom_itx> FinboySlick, i'm sure he's having fun
[03:16:30] <PetefromTn_> love the all thread leadscrews
[03:17:05] <PetefromTn_> is that a ping pong table bed?
[03:17:07] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Making it that small to compensate for his motor's lack of torque isn't that bad an idea considering what he's working with.
[03:17:10] <Jymmm> German is such a romantic spoken language
[03:17:20] <CaptHindsight> lol
[03:18:01] <Tom_itx> is this how they build their cars too?
[03:18:14] <Jymmm> Eisen Fo Frilen
[03:20:01] <PetefromTn_> I have seen some folks build wood based CNC routers and then use them to build aluminum CNC routers which is kind of an interesting way to have fun but I just don't understand the uber cheap builds like this. I guess like tom said it is entertaining.
[03:20:59] <Tom_itx> he hacked up his ping pong table for the bed
[03:21:08] <PetefromTn_> hehe I know right
[03:21:24] <PetefromTn_> I would rather have the ping pong table I think
[03:21:41] <Jymmm> green partical board
[03:23:02] <PetefromTn_> I would think that an overbuilt Lego CNC machine with all the parts crazy glued together could actually be quite rigid for a toy
[03:23:46] <PetefromTn_> I mean I know I have accidentally stepped on my kids lego's and they sure don't give any and hurt like shit underfoot ;)
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[03:24:40] <gregcnc> the wife thought it would be a great idea to buy the kids a 1500 piece bucket of Lego for Christmas
[03:25:39] <gregcnc> we'll see how that works out
[03:25:41] <PetefromTn_> I actually love lego's.. I used to build the star wars ones when I was a kid. They sure as hell got expensive now tho. some of those kits are pretty pricey
[03:27:00] <andypugh> I love that HomeFaciens machine.
[03:27:07] <renesis> they sets have always been kind of expensive
[03:27:11] <andypugh> It does actually work, within limits.
[03:27:28] <renesis> like, technics in the 90s were probably $30-$60
[03:27:42] <PetefromTn_> renesis true but there are many now way over a hundred bucks
[03:27:45] <andypugh> And I am sure I have heard the distinctive voice on YouTube before.
[03:27:52] <renesis> thats like $50-$100 in today money
[03:28:12] <renesis> petefromtn_: yeah some of them are pretty nuts, plus branding
[03:28:17] <gregcnc> Lego is expensive. Considering there is like one guy in factory making sure all the machines are pumping out hundreds of thousands of bricks a day.
[03:28:24] <PetefromTn_> I remember when I was a kid
[03:28:35] <renesis> gregcnc: no way
[03:28:39] <PetefromTn_> my parents bought an older house in upstate new york
[03:28:49] <renesis> prob dozen guys just to maintain the machines
[03:28:51] <PetefromTn_> and it had a rather large basement
[03:29:00] <Tom_itx> gregcnc, yeah... there are 2.. you gotta have quality control
[03:29:05] <PetefromTn_> my father and I were down there cleaning up junk
[03:29:19] <PetefromTn_> and there was a bunch of stuff under the staircase
[03:29:19] <gregcnc> the entire molding side is automated
[03:29:23] <PetefromTn_> kinda creepy
[03:29:32] <PetefromTn_> but I helped him clean it all up
[03:29:36] <renesis> yeah but you still gotta maintain automated machines
[03:29:43] <gregcnc> my mom brought some of my old legos she found for the kids
[03:29:43] <PetefromTn_> and we found this false step
[03:29:54] <PetefromTn_> I opened it up
[03:29:56] <renesis> gregcnc: neat
[03:30:02] <renesis> i miss my lego drawer
[03:30:03] <PetefromTn_> and we found this HUGE metal box
[03:30:45] <gregcnc> there was a how do they do it or super factories about lego, it's impressive
[03:30:46] <andypugh> This is wierd, the interposition of Lego and the PetefromTN story
[03:30:56] <Tom_itx> heh
[03:31:29] <andypugh> Lego has to be made to pretty good tolerance, I bet the moulds don’t last too long
[03:31:40] <PetefromTn_> inside it was a massive collection of old metal building toys and gears/motors etc.
[03:31:47] <PetefromTn_> I was in heaven!!
[03:32:00] <andypugh> I want to go to sleep, but I need to know what was in the sekrit box!
[03:32:16] <PetefromTn_> I can't remember the brand name but something like erector or something
[03:32:21] <Tom_itx> erector set
[03:32:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[03:32:35] <PetefromTn_> this box was FULL of that stuff
[03:32:39] <gregcnc> that's cool
[03:32:45] <PetefromTn_> it was like the size of a kids toy box
[03:32:58] <PetefromTn_> my brother and I played with that stuff for years
[03:33:21] <andypugh> You could have kept it and been a dozenaire! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1938-BOYS-GIRLS-A-C-GILBERT-ERECTOR-SET-NO-6-1-2-/181949673991?hash=item2a5d0bb207:g:bOgAAOSwv-NWX5Uc
[03:33:26] <PetefromTn_> now they sell something called eitech
[03:33:55] <Tom_itx> what were those wood toys with round hubs full of holes you poked sticks in to build stuff?
[03:33:57] <PetefromTn_> hehe yeah but this was about ten times that big
[03:34:04] <PetefromTn_> tinker toys?
[03:34:07] <Tom_itx> yeah
[03:34:09] <gregcnc> when you have some time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2UU92V8olY
[03:34:13] <Tom_itx> that and lincoln logs...
[03:34:27] <andypugh> In the UK we had Meccano: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meccano
[03:34:32] <andypugh> In fact, we still do
[03:34:55] <andypugh> And, I just decided what my nephew gets for Christmas.
[03:35:16] <PetefromTn_> that is such a cool toy set
[03:35:17] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i got my kid one of those years back
[03:35:21] <Tom_itx> an airplane model
[03:35:29] <andypugh> (He is only 6, but already has developed a habit of finding a screwdriver nad unscrewing his bedroom door)
[03:35:32] <PetefromTn_> this one had battery packs and motors and cables and pullies etc etc.
[03:36:30] <PetefromTn_> I know it is kinda silly but to my brother and I that box was like finding buried treasure ;)
[03:36:59] <gregcnc> my 5yo son was taking apart all his Thomas trains for a while
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[03:37:37] <andypugh> My fondness for Meccano as a kid actually explains why I let my nails get long, because I found that they made good screwdrivers for the tiny Meccano screws. A thumbnail is a lot easier to use to hold a screw still while you spanner the nut than a screwdriver is.
[03:37:47] <skunkworks> the older lego technic sets are good too.. Gears, diffs, motors...
[03:38:18] <FinboySlick> Yup. I definitely had a lego technic youth myself.
[03:38:41] <zeeshan> ??
[03:38:51] <zeeshan> lucky rich people you had toys as a kid
[03:38:53] <PetefromTn_> I remember my parents bought us another set
[03:38:59] <andypugh> Did you see the Lego Rubik cube solver? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dreTvumjNyw
[03:39:05] <PetefromTn_> it had like these plastic balls and tubes
[03:39:12] <Tom_itx> zeeshan did you walk to school uphill both ways too?
[03:39:26] <zeeshan> no tom, i didnt have toys as a kid :( i was taking apart radios at 7
[03:39:30] <FinboySlick> That 4 (square) piston car with the transmission, differential and those (oh so awesome at the time) 80mm wheels with a smooth hub.
[03:39:32] <PetefromTn_> and the balls had motorized parts
[03:39:34] <zeeshan> =[
[03:39:34] <CaptHindsight> if they are old enough get this and a pile of lumber http://www.craftsman.com/cm-19.2v/p-00945079000P?sid=IDxCMDFx20140801x001&KPID=00945079000
[03:39:36] <skunkworks> always wanted... http://www.ebay.com/itm/8860-Lego-Auto-Chassis-Vintage-Rare-Mint-Condition-/281790320879?hash=item419c0310ef:g:kT4AAOSwqv9V6E1h
[03:39:42] <PetefromTn_> you could put it together and make articulated movements
[03:39:50] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, i had a crystal radio back then
[03:40:19] <zeeshan> nicwe
[03:40:34] <FinboySlick> http://images.brickset.com/sets/images/853-1.jpg
[03:40:36] <PetefromTn_> that is a cool auto chassis lego kit
[03:40:49] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight I had a sears set just like that for awhile. It was decent
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[03:42:41] <gregcnc> This si what my mom found, but it's not all there. www.ebay.com/itm/201443951836
[03:43:31] <gregcnc> My wife said the guy is creepy because he looks like me or I look like him.
[03:44:11] <FinboySlick> Lego guys with articulated elbows and knees? What sort of heresy is this?
[03:45:08] <gregcnc> he's big ~100mm tall
[03:45:10] <CaptHindsight> I think I bought my son a Lego Mindstorms ~10 years ago with the ARM based controller
[03:45:27] <CaptHindsight> I think Linux finally supports it :)
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[03:46:29] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Mindstorms_NXT
[03:46:35] <gregcnc> I've seen some aluminum duplo bricks on instagram
[03:47:37] <skunkworks> I had the first version of the brick.. it was fun.
[03:47:48] <PetefromTn_> that is pretty cool
[03:48:16] <FinboySlick> I remember being exposed to Fischertechnik when I was a kid when all I knew was lego. Mind was totally blown, they had a plotter that could be hooked to a computer! http://users.tpg.com.au/users/p8king/30571.jpg
[03:48:36] <FinboySlick> This is at least 10 years before Mindstorm.
[03:49:08] <FinboySlick> They had pneumatics too.
[03:49:44] <CaptHindsight> back when if it was German it was good
[03:50:53] <FinboySlick> I wanted this one so bad: https://www.haertle.de/out/pictures/master/product/1/fischertechnik-533874-profi-pneumatic-power-1.jpg
[03:51:26] <gregcnc> Wow.
[03:52:02] <skunkworks> anyone remember capsella? (sp)
[03:52:48] <skunkworks> hmm - I think this is what I had.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Capsela-700-Motorized-Land-Water-Building-Toy-Set-1978-Original-Box-Play-Jour-/252176520394?hash=item3ab6e454ca:g:La4AAOSwA4dWJbDy
[03:52:50] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: Doesn't ring a bell.
[03:53:06] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsela
[03:53:06] <FinboySlick> Oh! actually yes!
[03:53:10] <FinboySlick> Yes I remember those.
[03:53:22] <PetefromTn_> skunkworks THAT is the one I was talking about
[03:53:30] <PetefromTn_> I had some of those they were really cool
[03:53:45] <PetefromTn_> could not remember the name
[03:53:46] <CaptHindsight> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Capsela_model_with_swivel.jpg/1024px-Capsela_model_with_swivel.jpg
[03:53:57] <FinboySlick> They don't make any toys like that anymore, do they?
[03:54:21] <PetefromTn_> what sucks is that even if they DO make some they are stupid expensive now
[03:54:37] <skunkworks> I think I was about 5 when I got that..
[03:54:41] <skunkworks> santa brought it
[03:55:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/Steam_Engines.html these were big when i was a kid
[03:55:43] <PetefromTn_> I don't remember how old I was but I hade them. We really enjoyed building moving motorized vehicles with them.
[03:55:48] <PetefromTn_> had
[03:55:49] <CaptHindsight> and model railroading
[03:56:19] <CaptHindsight> there used to be Hobby Shops with tons of parts
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[03:58:56] <FinboySlick> Great, now I'll be going to bed longing for those good old days.
[03:59:17] <skunkworks> eh - big cnc machines are fun too...
[03:59:21] <PetefromTn_> hehe sorry man
[03:59:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah we graduated nicely huh skunkie LOL
[03:59:36] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: Yeah, but they can eat kids.
[04:00:12] <CaptHindsight> remember when RC planes were RC planes and not drones? :)
[04:00:38] <PetefromTn_> I quite like drones honestly I crashed the piss out of my RC planes and it gets old LOL
[04:00:40] <skunkworks> remember when they where run with wires?
[04:00:49] <FinboySlick> Yeah, but they had to be gas powered to be worth anything back then.
[04:00:53] <CaptHindsight> we had those lol
[04:00:59] <skunkworks> or the gas powerd care with a steak in the ground?
[04:01:02] <skunkworks> car
[04:01:03] <gregcnc> you have to stop crashing
[04:01:06] <PetefromTn_> control line
[04:01:13] <skunkworks> that is it
[04:01:26] <PetefromTn_> tyco
[04:01:46] <CaptHindsight> Heathkits
[04:02:12] <PetefromTn_> I remember heathkits..my dad built a big screen TV heathkit once
[04:02:28] <CaptHindsight> with a projection lens?
[04:02:46] <CaptHindsight> using a regular 19" TV
[04:02:49] <PetefromTn_> I don't remember I think it was a tube actually. this was a LONG time ago
[04:02:57] * gregcnc still flies rc
[04:02:59] <PetefromTn_> I just remember the name heathkit
[04:03:11] <skunkworks> or... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1976-Radio-Shack-Science-Fair-150-In-1-Electronic-Project-Kit-EUC-/111836764405?hash=item1a09fd98f5:g:JOsAAOSw8-tWW1PC
[04:03:42] <skunkworks> I think I got one of those from a rummage sale when I was a kid
[04:03:44] <CaptHindsight> with the springs to make connection
[04:03:44] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah I had one of those electronics kits too
[04:03:49] <skunkworks> yep
[04:03:56] <PetefromTn_> mine was an FM radio
[04:04:10] <skunkworks> I had a couple different ones..
[04:04:14] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: The one with springs for contacts?
[04:04:14] <CaptHindsight> and when chemistry sets actually had chemicals
[04:04:56] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight: all I remember doing with mine is making fire retardent...
[04:05:04] <skunkworks> that kinda worked..
[04:05:22] <PetefromTn_> FinboySlick yeah I think so
[04:05:40] <PetefromTn_> you kinda wrapped the wires around the springs
[04:05:51] <PetefromTn_> they were pre stripped and tinned
[04:06:11] <gregcnc> I remember that science fair thing, but don't think i had one myself
[04:06:41] <gregcnc> they must have made it for a while because I would be -1 in 1976
[04:06:56] <CaptHindsight> I recall my brother handing me my first length of copper wire...
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[04:07:37] <CaptHindsight> ~12" long, maybe 24ga solid phone wire with a but stripped on each end ...
[04:07:45] <CaptHindsight> but/bit
[04:08:15] <CaptHindsight> within 60 seconds I had tripped a breaker and left a black stain on the nearest outlet :)
[04:08:22] <PetefromTn_> speaking of old toys did any of you guys have a stretch armstrong?
[04:09:26] <FinboySlick> Nope.
[04:10:19] <CaptHindsight> stretch, big wheels, gremlins, were all after my time
[04:10:28] <skunkworks> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rudolf-F-Graf-William-Sheets-ENCYCLOPEDIA-OF-ELECTRONIC-CIRCUITS-4-Vols-Tab-/311497334814?hash=item4886b0201e:g:mt4AAOSwBahVSWdQ
[04:10:32] <PetefromTn_> BIG WHEELS???
[04:10:35] <CaptHindsight> I really was upset about being too big for a big wheel
[04:10:37] <PetefromTn_> you did not get to ride one?
[04:10:49] <PetefromTn_> Oh man I rode the wheels off my big wheel LOL
[04:10:53] <CaptHindsight> with the seat off
[04:11:06] <CaptHindsight> we'd stand and push em
[04:11:07] <PetefromTn_> I also had a green machine
[04:11:36] <PetefromTn_> my brother and I used to jump ramps with them but it finally broke in half LOL
[04:12:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.retroplanet.com/CTGY/Classic-Toys.html
[04:13:31] <PetefromTn_> some fun stuff there.
[04:13:35] <CaptHindsight> we had the 12" GI Joe's
[04:13:45] <PetefromTn_> those were cool
[04:14:01] <PetefromTn_> I had a GI joe and the other guy too don't remember his name
[04:15:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.skooldays.com/categories/toys/ty1093.htm
[04:17:14] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: was it one of the later adventure Joes?
[04:17:29] <gregcnc> finally a vmc i can afford https://www.instagram.com/p/1RDX6FlHoh/
[04:18:52] <PetefromTn_> no it was one of the bearded earlier ones
[04:20:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.yojoe.com/12inch/70/
[04:20:38] <PetefromTn_> man I never realized they went back that far
[04:21:27] <CaptHindsight> lol http://www.yojoe.com/images/resize/h/375/imagestore/4999/69668.jpg
[04:21:42] <PetefromTn_> yup thats it
[04:22:19] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: whats popular now?
[04:22:42] <PetefromTn_> hehe I have NO idea
[04:22:55] <PetefromTn_> I am still trying to figure out what to get my kids for christmas
[04:22:57] <CaptHindsight> I walked through a HotWheels section the other day
[04:25:50] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[04:25:51] <zeeshan> easy
[04:25:57] <zeeshan> a mori seki lathe
[04:26:00] <zeeshan> :D
[04:26:56] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[04:27:04] <zeeshan> for tkie kids :)
[04:27:07] <zeeshan> for christmas
[04:27:11] <PetefromTn_> that would be for daddy methinks
[04:27:14] <zeeshan> haha
[04:27:48] <PetefromTn_> I have been considering getting everyone thier own sit on top fishing kayak but not sure if the wife is on board with it yet.
[04:27:59] <zeeshan> that'd be nice
[04:28:02] <zeeshan> you guys have rivers up there
[04:28:05] <zeeshan> that you can go kayaking on?
[04:28:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah tons
[04:28:14] <zeeshan> nice
[04:28:17] <PetefromTn_> lakes, rivers, streams
[04:28:47] <PetefromTn_> but when I mentioned it my wife said..."well if we get those that would be cool but they would not be able to play with them until spring"
[04:29:11] <zeeshan> how cold does it get in TN
[04:29:27] <PetefromTn_> pretty cold.
[04:29:43] <PetefromTn_> I have seen 10 below at night before
[04:29:50] <roycroft> how high up in the hills do you want to go?
[04:30:24] <zeeshan> thats not cold :P
[04:30:36] <PetefromTn_> YES it is
[04:30:37] <roycroft> and i'm sorry, petefromtn_, but the former great smokey mountains are now the tallish smokey hills :)
[04:30:38] <zeeshan> but the waters freeze
[04:30:44] <zeeshan> so y our wife is right
[04:30:45] <roycroft> -10f i think he means
[04:31:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah -10f
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[04:31:09] <zeeshan> oh
[04:31:19] <zeeshan> as bad as canada down there
[04:31:20] <zeeshan> nice
[04:31:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah not that canukian metric temp measurements
[04:31:27] <roycroft> which is -23 in real degrees
[04:31:37] <zeeshan> roycroft: thank you google
[04:31:46] * zeeshan renames roycroft to google
[04:31:54] <zeeshan> :D
[04:32:48] <roycroft> we got to -24 here a couple years ago
[04:32:58] <zeeshan> i used to live in ottawa
[04:32:59] <roycroft> our coldest temperature ever recorded in eugene
[04:33:07] <roycroft> that's how i knew the translation
[04:33:24] <zeeshan> we hit -36C without windchill!
[04:33:24] <zeeshan> :D
[04:33:29] <PetefromTn_> it actually gets surprisingly cold here sometimes considering how south we really are.
[04:33:43] <roycroft> you're also far from the ocean
[04:34:00] <roycroft> and prevailing winds are westerly
[04:34:18] <roycroft> so you don't even get the slightest hint of maritime weather, except perhaps during hurricane season
[04:34:59] <PetefromTn_> well its bed time...
[04:35:04] <PetefromTn_> Gn8
[04:35:08] <zeeshan> nite
[04:35:11] <roycroft> i bet the same arctic air masses that came down to chicago when i lived there keep going south to tennessee sometimes
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[04:36:03] <CaptHindsight> they do
[04:36:44] <CaptHindsight> 2 winters ago it was really cold
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[05:28:31] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: I got all of those through the Electronics Book Club
[05:29:35] <CaptHindsight> same for http://www.ebay.com/itm/Master-Handbook-of-1001-Practical-Electronic-Circuits-TAB-Books-/171992882012
[05:41:38] <Valen> ey archivist you around?
[05:41:44] <Valen> message regarding that slide
[05:41:58] <Valen> "We have gone tio James Taylor in the UK. He is the God of Rover, and knows every detail. He worked for Rover in the 1950’s( I believe) & was in their Research & Development Dept. As soon as I have an answer, I will get back to you"
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[07:57:51] <archivist> Valen, thanks
[07:58:00] <Valen> no worries
[08:00:30] <archivist> 1950's is about the right period for that image
[08:00:48] <Valen> how did you come by it again
[08:02:22] <archivist> came from the Lucas technical library Gt King St, the factory site
[08:04:55] <archivist> this place http://www.lucasmemories.co.uk/site/GreatKingStreet/
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[12:20:55] <lair82> skunkworks, did I see a mention of updating Classicladder in the dev chat?
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[12:28:16] <RootB> I've always had this question linuxCNC
[12:28:27] <RootB> can you make LInuxCNC work with a PCI-Parallel expansion card?
[12:28:32] <RootB> or the parallel has to be in the MOBO
[12:29:35] <jthornton> most pci parallel port cards will work
[12:29:59] <RootB> Ok I was going to throw away a MOBO that has a PCI port since it was made during the transicion
[12:30:03] <RootB> i think im gonna keep it, it's AMD.
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[12:35:06] <lair82_> What does this fault actually mean? "Home switch inactive before start of latch move"
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[12:36:56] <archivist_herron> bad english methinks
[12:38:03] <archivist_herron> I think it means you are touching the switch already
[12:39:44] <lair82_> I wonder if the switch is just not releasing, the table moves off of the switch, maybe it is sticking.
[12:42:15] <Tom_itx> or logic is reversed
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[12:42:29] <Tom_itx> or broken wire
[12:45:26] <archivist_herron> or you forgot to connect in hal...where have I seen that before
[12:55:56] <lair82> Its hit or miss, most of the time it homes just fine, sometimes it throws up that error though
[12:56:38] <Tom_itx> look at that line in halscope
[12:56:41] <lair82> Is there any where in the documentation that explains these types of faults?
[12:56:43] <Tom_itx> see what it's doing
[12:57:14] <lair82> Didn't think of that, will give it a shot
[12:58:49] <Tom_itx> you may need to debounce them
[13:00:13] <skunkworks> that sounds like nosie
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[13:04:49] <lair82> I will scope it and see whats going on ,skunkworks, did I see mention of updating classicladder on the dev chat?
[13:05:08] <cncbasher> debounce will cure it
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[13:18:48] <skunkworks> lair82: I think it was mentioned from a forum post. No plan though..
[13:20:39] <Magnifikus> hmmm halcompile tells me that the .h file is missing but its in the same directory as the .c
[13:21:24] <Magnifikus> because he copies the .c file into /tmp but not the .h
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[13:23:27] <lair82> skunkworks, I see, I have the current version on my pc here in the office, and I know firsthand that if you edit your ladder file from a machine on the current version, it will not load it when you put the edited file back into the machine.
[13:24:29] <lair82> But the current version looks like the rungs are wider and taller, some you can can have more I/O per rung.
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[13:31:14] <lair82_> Just checked, CL that comes with LCNC is 6 bits tall by 10 bits wide, latest version of CL is 8 bits tall by 12 bits wide. And it allows you to use your mouse to click and drag to select/copy/move parts of your logic.
[13:36:55] <skunkworks_> neat
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[14:14:53] <archivist> FinboySlick, maybe time to draw up your lathe bed and do some FEM on it
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[16:45:17] <lair82> Hey guys, where can I find the logs for this chat?
[16:45:40] <archivist> multiple places
[16:45:58] <cradek> zlog: tell lair82 where to go
[16:45:58] <zlog> cradek: Log stored at http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2015-12-03.html
[16:46:39] <archivist> during the recent ddos attacks it was hard to keep the bots up
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[16:46:46] <archivist> bookmark
[16:46:46] <the_wench> yet another log is at http://emclog.archivist.info/
[16:46:47] <cradek> lair82: you can edit that URL in the obvious way to get different days
[16:48:47] <lair82> Thanks guys, I usually used http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/ but today it is giving me a 404 NOT FOUND error
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[16:50:05] <Magnifikus> hm has hal a function to swap endianes?
[16:52:00] <cradek> wow, why do you want that?
[16:52:26] <cradek> do you mean a hal component or a function at the C level?
[16:52:35] <cradek> and what problem are you solving? it sounds interesting :-)
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[17:03:01] <Magnifikus> the pi spi is swaping 2 bytes
[17:03:17] <Magnifikus> wait
[17:04:25] <Magnifikus> aabbccdd becomes bbaaddcc strange
[17:06:08] <ssi> little endian in byte, big endian in 16 bit words
[17:06:10] <cradek> in what situation? what are you doing?
[17:06:43] <cradek> oh I see, spi
[17:07:02] <cradek> is there an endianness standard for spi, like there is for network ordering?
[17:07:34] <jdh> spi is just bits isn't it?
[17:07:55] <Magnifikus> yeah
[17:08:03] <pcw_home> No real standards but usually MSB first
[17:08:04] <cradek> About 102,000 results for "spi endian"
[17:08:05] <cradek> heh
[17:08:14] <Magnifikus> maybe some bug in the fpga also :D
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[17:08:28] <Magnifikus> my position fb is jumping like mad
[17:11:24] <cradek> the internet agrees with pcw_home
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[17:13:54] <cradek> so maybe you can just use htonl() if you're sending uint32 and ntohl() if you're receiving it?
[17:15:03] <pcw_home> no standards is why its difficult to make a general SPI driver
[17:15:05] <pcw_home> (though Andy Pughs format string system as used with the SSI/BISS/Fanuc serial encoder might be a way)
[17:15:13] <Magnifikus> nah its some wired stuff with bcm i guess, just swapped it by hand now
[17:15:32] <Magnifikus> basing on picnc2 atm
[17:15:40] <cradek> I'm sad there's no standard
[17:16:23] <pcw_home> well there are timing standards, that about it
[17:16:58] <archivist> which reminds me of https://xkcd.com/927/
[17:17:50] <ssi> I had major problems when I was trying to do the fpga bitcoin hasher stuff
[17:17:58] <ssi> endianness of huge numbers
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[17:19:08] <Magnifikus> yeah also bitswapped :D
[17:19:13] <Magnifikus> wawwhahwahwhawh
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[17:53:27] <Magnifikus> #__packed__ :)
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[18:06:23] <FAalbers> Did my first little test yesterday Using CamBam to create gcode and feeding it to LinuxCNC. Worked as expected ! Very precise !
[18:08:30] <maxcnc> FAalbers: 2D or 3D
[18:08:45] <FAalbers> Just 2D for now
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[18:08:56] <maxcnc> zero path or CRC
[18:09:09] <FAalbers> Stupis smiley face on plywood
[18:09:15] <FAalbers> Stupid
[18:09:44] <maxcnc> First steps are always fun
[18:10:08] <FAalbers> maxcnc, What is zero path or CRC. I'm a total nube
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[18:10:44] <maxcnc> Zero path means on the line of the drawing or a offset the path by tool diameter in the cam
[18:10:45] <FAalbers> Still going through a botload of tutorial videos and manuals :)
[18:11:28] <FAalbers> maxcnc, Offset the path by tool diameter in the cam.
[18:11:30] <maxcnc> CRc means cutter radius Compensation so the G-code is the same mesurments as the drawings and the mashine does the ofset on tooltable
[18:12:10] <FAalbers> Machine does not do the offset, Cam does.
[18:12:21] <FAalbers> Did not know you could do that
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[18:12:25] <maxcnc> try it on a square part
[18:12:54] <maxcnc> you will find a benefit in cutting precice parts
[18:12:59] <FAalbers> maxcnc, I guess you have to setup the offset in linuxCNC itself then ?
[18:12:59] <SpeedEvil> if only it worked on the insides.
[18:13:02] <maxcnc> show parts dont matter
[18:13:40] <maxcnc> look at G41 G42
[18:13:46] <FAalbers> maxcnc, Doesn't Cam offset already does a precise job ?
[18:14:11] <maxcnc> with cam ofse you only got one shot
[18:14:20] <maxcnc> return to cam and change gcode
[18:14:32] <maxcnc> with CRC you are done forever in one
[18:14:56] <FAalbers> Another question , how do you route a pocket with perfect sharp corners ?
[18:15:39] <maxcnc> no way minimum tool is here 1mm
[18:15:56] <FAalbers> Yeah, so you add a corner finnish with a 1 ?
[18:16:08] <FAalbers> I guess
[18:16:27] <maxcnc> there are simple gcode programs on the wiki that make you very good tool path on that
[18:17:10] <FAalbers> so, you create the code and insert it ? I saw you can do that with CamBam
[18:17:20] <maxcnc> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_EMC_G-Code_Generators
[18:17:45] <maxcnc> My boss did some cool stuff see Nr 11 12
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[18:18:51] <maxcnc> just put the python file in NC_files open it make your entrys an write to axis
[18:18:57] <FAalbers> maxcnc, I also noticed you can run Python scripts in CamBam, very interesting ! :)
[18:19:20] <maxcnc> yes that makes nice shapes in one hit
[18:19:46] <maxcnc> FAalbers: in USA or Elswhere
[18:20:01] <FAalbers> maxcnc, Sooo much to learn, but I'm very excited
[18:20:15] <FAalbers> maxcnc, USA , but grew up in Belgium
[18:20:20] <maxcnc> keep yu intusiast
[18:21:44] <FAalbers> maxcnc, I've been doing Pro Computer Graphics for 21 years now. I just got into the tangible part of it. 3D Printing, CNC . I'm also getting into electronics, microcontrollers, robotics .
[18:22:11] <maxcnc> thats the way to big money
[18:22:26] <FAalbers> I'm close to going into early retirement and start doing all this new stuff full time. Very excited ! :)
[18:22:29] <maxcnc> i started on chees mill
[18:22:46] <maxcnc> now got 10 employee and 40 mashines running
[18:23:33] <FAalbers> I also started building and flying multirotor drones. That is an area where all the above I mentioned comes into play
[18:23:50] <FAalbers> maxcnc, Nice ! Whare are you at ?
[18:23:58] <maxcnc> Germany
[18:24:07] <FAalbers> Cool !
[18:24:11] <maxcnc> drones are under control here
[18:24:24] <FAalbers> I'm currently working at Pixar Animation Studios
[18:24:37] <maxcnc> i work with blender 3D
[18:24:57] <maxcnc> free and powerfull
[18:25:02] <FAalbers> yeah, but drones are a good way to start tasting a bit of it all
[18:25:27] <FAalbers> Yeah, I know the makers of Bender , great software for beeing free
[18:26:00] <FAalbers> So I bought licenses of CamBam and CutViewer this week. Getting myself up to speed on that
[18:26:09] <maxcnc> manipulating files from so many inputs to mashine output is great
[18:26:30] <maxcnc> thee is so many free stuff
[18:26:39] <maxcnc> no need to buy anything
[18:27:04] <maxcnc> on linux !
[18:27:14] <maxcnc> not on the wigwam side
[18:27:15] <FAalbers> Got myself a $50 computer with parallel port and attached it to a 3040 CNC router I just bought
[18:27:32] <maxcnc> the way it all starts
[18:27:54] <FAalbers> And installed LinuxCNC
[18:28:11] <maxcnc> so only one linux PC at home
[18:28:52] <maxcnc> here its all linux no Windows in the Factory
[18:29:17] <FAalbers> Did not find right away a good freware Cam package on Linux. Sure they do exist though. But CamBam was a great money/value !
[18:29:36] <maxcnc> agree on that
[18:29:56] <FAalbers> I love dev on Linux , hate Win
[18:29:57] <maxcnc> you are always bettr informed after you bought
[18:30:19] <maxcnc> noone hates win its a miss
[18:31:41] <maxcnc> the shop owner here lost the hole system then he started with linux and its grown awaysome
[18:32:16] <maxcnc> i can read files and run mashines that have been installed in 2006
[18:32:47] <maxcnc> amazing
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[18:34:14] <FAalbers> Heh, backwards compatible
[18:34:51] <FAalbers> Well, if you know how to manipulate your core data , your in a sweet spot
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[18:35:56] <FAalbers> We just changed from a system that was developed in 1985 to a new one that started dev 5 years ago ... Go figure. The Old system was and still is kick ass
[18:36:08] <FAalbers> maxcnc, ^^
[18:36:53] <maxcnc> never change a runnig system
[18:37:08] <maxcnc> till you realy realy must do
[18:38:00] <SpeedEvil> Or until you can't get parts
[18:38:11] <SpeedEvil> Which is the same thing for sane people. (before failure)
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[18:46:13] <maxcnc> if it fails you need to get action so its time to go upgrade on some point of no return
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[18:48:50] <FAalbers> I wonder if there any good online reference for material/bit routing values ? Cut and Plunge feedrates ? Haven't done proper research on that yet
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[18:50:38] <FAalbers> Had my Stock Top settings a little bit wrong on the first try. Dipped the bit too low. Luckally I could directly reduce the feed speed on LinuxCNC with the slider :)
[18:51:52] <maxcnc> the cutter speed depends on so many its best practice to try on your router the max
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[18:59:21] <maxcnc> GN8
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[19:03:22] <_methods> oh wow apple just invented 3d printing
[19:03:25] <_methods> http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/12/03/apple-investigating-3d-color-printer-technology
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[19:06:16] <SpeedEvil> It will only produce 6.8mm high objects
[19:06:58] <SpeedEvil> Shit patent is shit.
[19:07:45] <_methods> yeah well they invented it now
[19:08:10] <_methods> no one will be allowed to 3d print with anything but white anymore lol
[19:08:21] <_methods> apple invented color
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[19:26:55] <CaptHindsight> heh, it's a goofy design
[19:27:11] <CaptHindsight> they won't be able to make it cost effective or fast enough
[19:27:30] <_methods> they'll just sue people
[19:27:51] <_methods> now anyone that tries to print in multiple colors will have to pay apple off
[19:28:08] <CaptHindsight> inkjet deposition has been around for a while
[19:28:56] <CaptHindsight> do you know how slow printheads are?
[19:29:44] <CaptHindsight> yeah I can make one that works really fast but it's not going to be $1K since the heads cost 3-7x that ea
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[19:31:27] <CaptHindsight> if Apple makes their own printheads in China it could be cheap but the inkjet patent holders are going to make a fuss when they export them
[19:33:02] <_methods> wonder what their angle is
[19:33:12] <CaptHindsight> just another patent
[19:33:32] <CaptHindsight> it looks good at review time at Apple
[19:34:03] <CaptHindsight> they really haven't done anything except look busy
[19:35:20] <_methods> well i'm just glad apple invented it now
[19:35:25] <CaptHindsight> http://global.kyocera.com/news/2012/0404_phhs.html
[19:35:35] <_methods> so they can revolutionize it
[19:36:05] <_methods> 3d printing is the future
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[19:37:09] <CaptHindsight> 330 million/S x 16pL = ~19L/hour
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[19:38:15] <_methods> apple taught them how to do that
[19:38:36] <CaptHindsight> time mashine
[19:38:43] <_methods> steve jobs isn't dead
[19:38:51] <_methods> he went back in time to teach kyocera
[19:39:28] <Tecan> is that what the voices say ?
[19:40:13] <_methods> you hear them too?
[19:40:31] <Tecan> was formal for a while
[19:41:40] <_methods> hehe
[19:43:19] <Tecan> the nurses were hot though
[19:43:48] <_methods> in the land of no shoe laces
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[19:44:56] <Tecan> life in the matrix
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[20:02:07] <Jymmm> PHUK ME... *whew*
[20:03:13] <Jymmm> BIG HINT... Never let your wife/gf "blindly" accept firewood.
[20:05:24] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_J19CDjI8E - reminds me of
[20:10:10] <_methods> never take firewood from blind people?
[20:10:22] <_methods> true wisdom
[20:12:54] <malcom2073> Has anyone linked this yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS-ErOKpO4E ?
[20:13:16] <JT-Shop> you can't roller skate in a buffalo herd
[20:13:40] <malcom2073> _methods: Or never let your wife accept firewood blind?
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[20:13:52] <_methods> also wisdom
[20:13:53] <_methods> lol
[20:14:07] <malcom2073> Or accept blind firewood?
[20:14:08] <malcom2073> I'm confused
[20:14:09] <_methods> never let your wife take a blind mans wood
[20:14:21] <malcom2073> Heyy-ohh
[20:14:25] <_methods> hahahah
[20:14:43] <_methods> i think Jymmm is just tryin to tell us he caught his wife cheating on him
[20:14:56] <lair82> I bet the blind guy liked it ;)
[20:15:08] <malcom2073> Is firewood a euphamism for something?
[20:15:19] <malcom2073> *euphemism
[20:15:44] <lair82> Maybe the blind guy had red hair????
[20:17:00] <TMA> firewood? tinder?
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[20:17:20] <_methods> hahahah
[20:18:05] <lair82> Where did you go Jymmm, you should probably start explaining your self, quickly
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[20:27:29] <CaptHindsight> every few months there is some news about an Apple patent
[20:28:42] <CaptHindsight> virtual reality projectors, 3d metal printers, autonomous cars, etc
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[20:29:55] <CaptHindsight> the only new product has been that watch ...
[20:30:05] <CaptHindsight> or did I miss something?
[20:30:10] <SpeedEvil> they did a pen
[20:30:13] <_methods> they invented that too
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[20:30:51] <CaptHindsight> ink pen? smartpen?
[20:31:03] <gregcnc> Patents can be sold or prevent others from using the idea. HP had a fuel injection system base on their inkjets. Eventually it sold to a company making UAV engines.
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[20:37:50] <CaptHindsight> _methods: so Apple has pretty much invented everything already, even if it hasn't been thought of yet or in the future
[20:38:14] <_methods> yes they have time machines lol
[20:38:22] <CaptHindsight> oh and in the past
[20:38:31] <CaptHindsight> retroactively
[20:39:21] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3dhSnEtdWw Time Masheen
[20:43:08] <XXCoder> thats just silly lol
[20:43:56] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJIJp9ikhXA my favorite one
[20:44:16] <XXCoder> I never could find movie of that machine actually on and working
[20:44:20] <XXCoder> *video
[20:46:26] <XXCoder> my most favorite (for special effects) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBuLoRzhWeI
[20:46:32] <XXCoder> too bad that movie kinda suck
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[20:53:51] <XXCoder> my most favorite part - he gets knocked out by moon parts hitting earth (time machine partially protected him)
[20:54:16] <XXCoder> and hes knocked out for very long time, maybe 2 minutes traveling at maxamium speed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSs6eKmTCDY
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