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[00:00:07] <zeeshan> ok so not an issue!
[00:00:24] <CaptHindsight> ~8MHz step rates
[00:00:38] <enleth> re:raspi; take a look at Zynq
[00:00:50] <enleth> Magnifikus: ^
[00:01:02] <Magnifikus> thats 2nd stage
[00:01:05] <Magnifikus> ;)
[00:01:06] <CaptHindsight> he's aware
[00:01:09] <enleth> ah, OK.
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[00:01:30] <andypugh> Clicking a Pi COmpiute Module into a drive board has a certain appeal
[00:01:44] <Magnifikus> prototype is already build on zynq
[00:01:44] <Magnifikus> gpu is abit bad on zynq is the porblem
[00:01:45] <zeeshan> man a pi controlling the whol cnc
[00:01:47] <zeeshan> would be even better
[00:01:57] <zeeshan> its so tiny , could be din rail mounted
[00:02:05] <zeeshan> no need for a big ass atx supply
[00:02:19] <CaptHindsight> low cost arm that can render a GUI and hm2+eth woth Mesa
[00:02:31] <zeeshan> yes capt
[00:02:34] <andypugh> I don’t use ATX supplies with any computers. PicoPSU or direct 12V supply
[00:03:00] <zeeshan> andypugh: still big a mobo :P
[00:03:19] <andypugh> Not compared to any CNC machine worth having
[00:03:28] <zeeshan> ??
[00:03:38] <CaptHindsight> most machines have plenty of space for a mainboard
[00:03:51] <zeeshan> yes but space for me is a major constraint
[00:03:53] <zeeshan> if i can shrink the cabinet
[00:03:54] <andypugh> If I have 700kg of lathe, I can find the space for a mini-ITX
[00:03:55] <zeeshan> its a big win
[00:04:18] <andypugh> You can fit a Mini-ITX + Mesa cards in the space vacated by a rectifier bridge.
[00:04:33] <CaptHindsight> touchscreen pc with ethernet
[00:04:37] <andypugh> (Did you see that?)
[00:04:46] <zeeshan> i think so :P
[00:04:48] <zeeshan> a while back!
[00:04:54] <zeeshan> where you build that custom enclosure
[00:05:01] <zeeshan> *built
[00:06:19] <andypugh> No, this is the lathe: Rectifier:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/yu5GFkcA8Qd5Bd0j0eNRydMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink And PC + Mesa cards:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/21Rzb8YEaXx4m_SRPQRlxtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink (the new rectifiers for the same job are top-right)
[00:07:01] <enleth> andypugh: what the hell does it need so much DC for?
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[00:07:33] <andypugh> It’s not very much DC, but it is 300V and a single layer of Selenium rectifier can handle 20V...
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[00:07:41] <zeeshan> okay that is a small motherboard
[00:07:42] <zeeshan> haha
[00:07:51] <zeeshan> ive physically never used a mini itx before
[00:07:57] <Tom_itx> whassup zeeeeeee
[00:08:01] <zeeshan> hi tom
[00:08:15] <andypugh> Mini-ITX is 7” square
[00:08:50] <enleth> andypugh: ah, so the tl;dr version is "it's ancient", right?
[00:09:04] <andypugh> Nearly as old as me. 1968
[00:09:08] <Tom_itx> 2 weeks is ancient
[00:09:15] <CaptHindsight> I've used min-itx physically, emotionally but without any sentimentality
[00:09:16] <Tom_itx> WOAH!!
[00:09:29] <zeeshan> i still think if a pi2 can do the job
[00:09:33] <zeeshan> why go through the hassle of something larger?
[00:10:02] <andypugh> Because the Mesa cards need a PCI slot. That’s the only reason.
[00:10:07] <zeeshan> oh
[00:10:10] <zeeshan> i totally forgot about that
[00:10:11] <zeeshan> :-(
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[00:10:24] <zeeshan> doh
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[00:10:45] <Tom_itx> andypugh, what about the 7i90 and spi etc
[00:11:42] <Tom_itx> iirc jepler or somebody was doing something like that
[00:12:03] <andypugh> In my case, unfamiliarity, to be honest. I wanted something where the controller bould wouldn’t be a new adventure itself.
[00:12:19] <Tom_itx> can't blame ya there really
[00:12:39] <CaptHindsight> he got hm2_spi working with an Odroid arm board
[00:12:42] <zeeshan> i agree wit hthat
[00:12:56] <zeeshan> does spi use a differential pair
[00:13:10] <CaptHindsight> no
[00:13:13] <zeeshan> then its garbage
[00:13:14] <zeeshan> :P
[00:13:19] <Tom_itx> spi is bidirectional
[00:13:27] <zeeshan> it does not belong in industrial noisy applications
[00:13:30] <zeeshan> !!
[00:13:30] <Tom_itx> send and get a byte at once
[00:13:32] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus
[00:13:39] <andypugh> The 7i90 is nice and cheap. It does look like a natural match to Pi etc.
[00:13:40] <zeeshan> i know how it works
[00:13:41] <zeeshan> i was being ajerk
[00:13:42] <zeeshan> :)
[00:13:53] <Tom_itx> ass
[00:13:56] <Tom_itx> :)
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[00:14:08] <zeeshan> my friend has all the wires unshielded
[00:14:11] <zeeshan> asap plasma cutter goes on
[00:14:18] <zeeshan> theres a massive spike and the steppers lose position
[00:14:19] <zeeshan> haha
[00:14:33] <PetefromTn_> gotta leve dem steppers
[00:14:35] <andypugh> Has he learned a lesson?
[00:14:53] <zeeshan> he comes from the arduino mentality
[00:14:54] <zeeshan> which is fine
[00:14:55] <zeeshan> he's learning
[00:15:25] <CaptHindsight> he shoudah tested it first with one of those V shaped bzzzzz things like in the old monster movies
[00:15:37] <andypugh> I want to build one of thse
[00:15:37] <CaptHindsight> jacobs escalator
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[00:15:50] <zeeshan> the blow back starting
[00:15:58] <zeeshan> still emits a massive noise spike
[00:16:02] <zeeshan> im curious to know what freq it is at
[00:16:12] <zeeshan> and if its multiple freq
[00:16:13] <zeeshan> or just one
[00:16:31] <andypugh> Because my neighbours listen to TV until 0430. In their bedroom, adjacent to mine. I think firing up my Jacob’s Ladder might stop them.
[00:16:42] <zeeshan> jeez
[00:17:01] <CaptHindsight> mini-emp
[00:17:55] <zeeshan> do you guys have a spring loaded tap guide by any chance
[00:17:56] * PetefromTn_ wonders if that will work on my annoying neighbor who insists on listening to loud music while gardening ALL THE DAMN TIME!!
[00:17:58] <zeeshan> i keep seeing chiense ones
[00:18:03] <Magnifikus> btw any idea? you will yell at me but i want to make my delta also enabled for milling (just the 2mm single flute mills)
[00:18:03] <Magnifikus> got ballscrews, nice linear rails
[00:18:03] <Magnifikus> but the joints for the delta arms are just magnet/teflon stuff
[00:18:03] <Magnifikus> so any good idea for nice 2d joints? :D
[00:18:03] <zeeshan> even the b&s one looks chinese
[00:18:34] <zeeshan> if you get a tormach controller
[00:18:38] <zeeshan> you can mill anything with a delta
[00:19:50] <Magnifikus> lol
[00:20:14] <CaptHindsight> http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-11/acoustic-weapons-book-excerpt
[00:20:21] <andypugh> Magnifikus: What do you mean by 2D joints?
[00:20:28] <Magnifikus> http://testweb.iecworld.com/fusike/upload/2010051810362236.jpg
[00:20:33] <Magnifikus> this but also rotating
[00:20:45] <zeeshan> they are called heim joints
[00:20:50] <zeeshan> for future reference
[00:21:03] <zeeshan> or u joints
[00:21:22] <andypugh> You can just use a Hooks Joint
[00:21:31] <zeeshan> heim joints is incrrect
[00:21:37] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: crank up your tube amp with a 19hz playing at 11
[00:21:38] * zeeshan brain is in troll mod
[00:22:06] <andypugh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_joint
[00:22:19] <CaptHindsight> "19Hz is the resonant frequency of the human eyeball. The low-frequency pulsations start distorting the eyeball's shape and pushing on the retina, activating the rods and cones by pressure rather than light.*
[00:22:19] <Magnifikus> u joints sounds right :)
[00:22:35] <Magnifikus> yeah something like that, thought some might have an idea for a good solution
[00:22:37] <zeeshan> Magnifikus: if you really want to use a delta to mill some stuff
[00:22:42] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight Don't have a tube amp but I have ALMOST pushed my home theater speakers to the back door and cranked up the denon on several occasions
[00:22:44] <zeeshan> and want a functional machine
[00:22:54] <zeeshan> it might be worth figure out what material you want to mill (worse case scenario)
[00:23:02] <zeeshan> what the largest cutter you want to run is
[00:23:13] <zeeshan> and how deep of cuts you want to take
[00:23:21] <zeeshan> and see if those forces will deflect your machine
[00:23:39] <zeeshan> my friend has a delta 3d printer
[00:23:50] <zeeshan> and i can bend the columns with 20lb of force
[00:23:57] <zeeshan> by like 20 thou
[00:24:12] <andypugh> Magnifikus: Have you seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_UmhUjZhNo He uses universal jointsa t the top and rotating clevises at the bottom.
[00:24:58] <zeeshan> wow thats serious business
[00:25:09] <zeeshan> looks beefy enough to cut aluminum
[00:26:43] <zeeshan> hmm
[00:26:47] <zeeshan> theres a weird resonance when he's cutting
[00:26:56] <andypugh> This is the machine that LinuxCNC was orignally written to control:
http://patapsco.nist.gov/ImageGallery/retrieve.cfm?imageid=299&dpi=150&fileformat=jpg
[00:27:10] <Magnifikus> the ball + magnet with teflon is cool but has only about 10N force
[00:27:10] <Magnifikus> http://snag.gy/TpdrL.jpg
[00:27:10] <Magnifikus> this is my plan, got one tower build, but with acme screw that suck
[00:27:17] <zeeshan> jeez!
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[00:28:21] <andypugh> For printers I think that the ball+magnet joint is inspired.
[00:29:02] <zeeshan> andypugh: whats the model+name of that machine?
[00:29:39] <Magnifikus> ordered ballscrews now :)
[00:29:39] <Magnifikus> andypugh, exactly that joints
[00:29:39] <Magnifikus> in decent quality
[00:29:40] <Magnifikus> and im happy if i can mill alumiunium with a 2mm single flute at high rpm
[00:29:41] <Magnifikus> so if i desperate need something
[00:29:42] <Magnifikus> thats the definition of delta mill :D
[00:29:44] <Magnifikus> the carbon arms (8mm) are super stiff
[00:29:45] <Magnifikus> pullwinded is dunno wtf
[00:29:47] <andypugh> zeeshan: That’s a one off NIST hexapod
[00:30:12] <zeeshan> https://www.nitrd.gov/NGI/apps/nist/hex2.GIF
[00:30:15] <zeeshan> wow its crazy big
[00:30:47] <Tom_itx> you like crazy big though
[00:30:57] <zeeshan> no tom
[00:30:59] <zeeshan> i like well built things
[00:31:14] <zeeshan> that aren't built with "tlar" methodologyh
[00:31:36] <zeeshan> im a big fan of dan's air od grinder
[00:31:52] <andypugh> Magnifikus: I don’t have a sense of scale for your machine, but automotive track-rod ends might be suitable.
[00:31:53] <Tom_itx> missed that
[00:31:58] <zeeshan> you know it
[00:32:02] <zeeshan> the granite table
[00:32:03] <Magnifikus> its 80cm high
[00:32:04] <zeeshan> w/ air bearings
[00:32:11] <CaptHindsight> that mill is only 2" tall, the machinist was shrunk during a laser accident so the machine appears to be much larger :)
[00:32:47] <andypugh> Magnifikus:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/301508130015?adgroupid=13585920426
[00:33:44] <zeeshan> andypugh: have you use the latest beta w/ linuxcnc-features?
[00:34:08] <andypugh> Magnifikus: Or, this style, which I have never seen on a car, but look really useful:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191540602814?hash=item2c98b5a7be:g:9DoAAOSwVL1V-woD
[00:34:28] <zeeshan> those are the inside ti rods
[00:34:35] <zeeshan> inside the power steering rack boot
[00:34:46] <zeeshan> https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRBVmhqcox3AmqbJFM-wE0l36px-LYwnwMTQNuM0y16z7JwjXlB8iuTjJf
[00:34:50] <zeeshan> the joint is covered by that boot
[00:34:51] <andypugh> zeeshan: No. I have been hardware-focussed for the last few months, have barely touched computers. The Lathe is on 2.6.2 still
[00:35:12] <zeeshan> darn it, i need someone to work with me and get linuxcnc features running!!
[00:35:27] <zeeshan> it looks very well written
[00:35:34] <andypugh> I played with it. It just worked, perfactly.
[00:35:42] <zeeshan> i tried to do a drill pattern
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[00:35:49] <zeeshan> and it kept giving me "xy plane" error
[00:35:50] <zeeshan> or something
[00:35:52] <Magnifikus> and 45cm sidelength of the base
[00:35:52] <Magnifikus> so not that big
[00:35:54] <Magnifikus> look abit tooo big
[00:35:54] <Magnifikus> the carrier on the rail is 8cm high
[00:35:55] <Magnifikus> and from 8mm aluminium
[00:35:57] <Magnifikus> best is imho that U joint that can rotate
[00:35:59] <andypugh> Though is does tend to fail silently, for example trying to pocket with no tool loaded, so zero diameter.
[00:38:02] <Magnifikus> hmmm i fear the degree of freedom is too limited
[00:38:02] <Magnifikus> btw linuxcnc got me when i tried to level the bed of our lab mill
[00:38:02] <Magnifikus> with a nice equation in hal and done
[00:39:05] <andypugh> Was that with Probekins?
[00:42:39] <Magnifikus> nah
[00:42:39] <Magnifikus> z-probe on 4 points
[00:42:39] <Magnifikus> calculator
[00:42:39] <Magnifikus> hal manipulation
[00:42:40] <Magnifikus> z-probe again and fine
[00:42:40] <Magnifikus> the portal is abit out of align
[00:42:42] <Magnifikus> and no chance to fix it without taking the whole thing apart that will end in even more shit
[00:42:42] <Magnifikus> some 20 year old isel one
[00:43:14] <andypugh> Ah, right. Probekins lets you probe the whole bed and build an STL-based correction map.
[00:43:27] <andypugh> But I am not sure it ever worked 100%
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[00:44:22] <zeeshan> ブレーキ・スイッチ（クルーズ．コントロール）
[00:45:26] <Magnifikus> for some reason it didnt work
[00:45:26] <Magnifikus> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Srjoint.jpg
[00:45:26] <Magnifikus> this is the correct joint :D
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[00:45:49] <Magnifikus> car or this
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[00:48:29] <andypugh> That’s rather pretty. But considering that the ones in cars cost very little and last for tens of thousands of miles…
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[00:56:32] <enleth> > 01:29 < Magnifikus> and im happy if i can mill alumiunium with a 2mm single flute at high rpm
[00:56:42] <CaptHindsight> anyone else watching
https://breakthroughprize.org/ on FOX?
[00:57:14] <enleth> it's a bit weird to read that after hogging through cast aluminum with a 10mm mill and concluding that it chatters a little
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[00:57:53] <CaptHindsight> they mix awards for scientists with anti-intellectuals like Zuckerberg
[00:58:02] <CaptHindsight> weird
[01:01:16] <Magnifikus> enleth, yeah always jealous
[01:01:17] <Magnifikus> but i could not afford so much material anyway :D
[01:01:19] <zeeshan> LOL capt
[01:01:21] <zeeshan> i just noticed that
[01:01:41] <zeeshan> how can you take this award serious if zuckerberg is on the judging committe
[01:03:54] <enleth> well, we do live in a time where one Nobel Peace Prize recipient has carpet bombed another one
[01:04:11] <CaptHindsight> next years board includes Trump, 2 Kardashians and a dog named Bobo
[01:04:16] <enleth> so that isn't even weird
[01:04:52] <enleth> (citation:
http://theantimedia.org/that-awkward-moment-when-one-nobel-peace-prize-winner-bombs-another/ )
[01:05:53] <CaptHindsight> don't let facts get in the way of your rhetoric
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[01:06:50] <CaptHindsight> those were bombs of peace vs war anyway
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[01:12:56] <Magnifikus> btw it was fork joint :D
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[03:10:34] <PetefromTn_> man the long weekend went by WAY too fast for me
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[03:11:47] <Tom_itx> seems someone is screwing with freenode again
[03:12:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah azzholes have nothing better to do with their time it appears
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[03:14:22] <XXCoder> yay
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[03:14:27] <XXCoder> gonna love that :P
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[05:40:30] <Jymmm> Chainsaw winch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B10Io7MLp1Y
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[06:07:18] <renesis> fuuu, solidworks seems to get confused with large assemblies and nested subassemblies
[06:08:10] <renesis> throws reference errors in subassemblies, rebuild doesnt fix, open the next subassembly down, shows same error in same subassembly, hitting rebuild fixes this time
[06:08:46] <renesis> wait
[06:09:05] <renesis> a decal turned upside down
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[06:09:57] <renesis> open part with upside down decal, decal shows as right side up
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[06:10:30] <renesis> change back to assembly window, decal is right side up again
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[09:02:01] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: makes sense
[09:02:46] <XXCoder> too bad that mastercam and solidworks would total to around 30 times value of my pc and machine lol
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[09:20:33] <MattyMatt> yep. the proper solution is to add CSG functions to blender >:)
[09:20:47] <MattyMatt> that runs on anything, including macs and pies
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[09:22:55] <MattyMatt> I was getting leverage making custom classes for each parametric object, but the API wouldn't stay still
[09:23:43] <MattyMatt> I was doing it for a game, but teh requirements were pretty much the same as for cad
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[09:25:26] <MattyMatt> I still haven't got yoyoek's script ported to 2.5+ yet
[09:25:54] <MattyMatt> eeh, there's a good challenge for a monday :p
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[09:26:49] <MattyMatt> a month of mondays
[09:27:07] * MattyMatt officially retired from coding
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[09:39:54] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: freecad is getting awesome
[09:40:02] <XXCoder> cam functions in it not so much
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[09:44:54] <MattyMatt> yeah, but if it was blender, I could go back and finish that game too :)
[09:45:06] <XXCoder> lol ok
[09:46:46] <MattyMatt> although I've learned lately that my GL coding style is hopelessly out of date, so the engine needs a refresh
[09:49:02] <XXCoder> thats thing about programming
[09:49:08] <XXCoder> need to constantly train to keep up
[09:51:07] <enleth> isn;t that the thing about any area of engineering that hasn't stagnated?
[09:51:50] <enleth> a machinist who learned his trade in the 80s and never trained afterwards would be hopelessly lost if confronted with a modern state-of-art VMC
[09:52:08] <XXCoder> yeah but the difference is rate of change
[09:52:12] <XXCoder> programming is stupid fast
[09:53:35] <enleth> arguably, the new things are rather quick to pick up
[09:53:58] <enleth> I mean, it doesn't take much to set up the tools etc. and learn new things
[09:54:05] <enleth> but in principle you are right
[09:55:21] <enleth> although the barrier to entry to learn new things in programming is much lower than to learn modern VMC operation
[09:57:04] <MattyMatt> if you get student rates on the new SDK
[09:58:21] <MattyMatt> and there's all those books
[09:59:34] <MattyMatt> like I'll need a new red book for GL, but my granddad's machinists handbook would still be useful (apart from the lack of metric)
[10:04:51] <MattyMatt> Phlogiston Transfixing In Infernal Caloric Ennobling is clearly the chapter currently called Anodising :)
[10:06:08] <XXCoder> lol
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[10:19:56] <malcom2073> renesis: Re: Your label being backwards, check your mates
[10:20:09] <XXCoder> mates?
[10:20:33] <malcom2073> I had noticed, if an assembly isn't fully defined, things can flip when moving projects between PCs, or when copying/recovering backups
[10:20:47] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Unsure what the freecad equivalant is
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[10:20:55] <XXCoder> ok
[10:20:55] <malcom2073> But it's what defines two parts in relation to each other
[10:21:16] <XXCoder> maybe its not fully constranted
[10:21:35] <malcom2073> Constraints yeah that's it
[10:21:50] <XXCoder> freecad you can import a edge on face youre sketching so you can set distances and such
[10:23:06] <renesis> malcom2073: yeah external mates throw errors, but theyre fine if i rebuild at part or subassy level
[10:24:16] <renesis> it puts it like it originally tried to place the decal
[10:24:59] <renesis> that one i did rotate 180 and fit to width, funny it undid the rotate 180 but kept the scaling to width
[10:25:14] <malcom2073> yeah weird
[10:25:24] <renesis> its done a lot of weird stuff
[10:25:32] <malcom2073> Indeed
[10:25:42] <renesis> like, itll group appearance instances that it shouldnt
[10:26:15] <renesis> like, i have a group of red and white led appearances,. red will disappear and instances will show up in white
[10:26:44] <renesis> but if i edit white and just check or x out, the red led group reappears, everything fine
[10:28:41] <renesis> also some shit with the basic motion timeline editor thing, forgot details, lots of little bugs
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[11:58:27] <asdfasd> what is wrong with this server? keep disconnecting and long time cant connect
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[12:05:34] <enleth> asdfasd: freenode is being attacked since last thursday or so
[12:07:14] <enleth> I don't know what kind of total shithead one must be to ddos a free public IRC service but apparently there is such a threshold
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[12:27:08] <Tom_itx> renesis, i've noticed that about SW
[12:32:56] <Tom_itx> enleth, this guy:
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/index.php?title=Rucas&diff=prev&oldid=684573
[12:39:23] <asdfasd> lmao
[12:39:34] <asdfasd> is that real?!?
[12:39:49] <Tom_itx> were you really disconnected?
[12:39:53] <Tom_itx> mkay then.
[12:41:18] <Tom_itx> about a year ago several of us got into it with him and even moved it to a private irc channel where we ddos'd him and in reply he did the same to our servers
[12:43:44] <asdfasd> yes Im often disconnecred and cant connect after that for a long time
[12:43:59] <asdfasd> I ment about this guy
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[12:45:55] <Tom_itx> i have logs if you care to read and don't believe me
[12:46:37] <asdfasd> I beleive you, but it is unbelievable ahahah
[12:47:21] <asdfasd> want to be a men and attack someone, but dont have the balls to attack proper network so go to the free irc...
[12:47:54] <Tom_itx> well the folks at freenode don't care to take action
[12:48:47] <jthornton> finally got the man door installed yesterday... on with the last bit of siding now
[12:49:02] <Tom_itx> soggy here
[12:49:41] <jthornton> same here, rained all day yesterday
[12:49:48] <enleth> Tom_itx: the guy is probably using a chinese botnet anyway, what can they do?
[12:49:49] <jthornton> and the day before
[12:49:54] <Tom_itx> 32F Overcast
[12:50:16] <jthornton> 44°F Overcast here
[12:50:35] <Tom_itx> Rucas is of efnet aka oc80z on freenode
[12:50:43] <jthornton> radar is clear
[12:50:52] <asdfasd> something interesting noticed recently with skype
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[12:51:17] <asdfasd> before was constantly memory issues until it crash
[12:51:30] <Tom_itx> The U.S. Geological Survey says a 4.5 magnitude earthquake struck northern Oklahoma early Monday
[12:51:44] <asdfasd> after blocking the advertisments on skype it is using much less memory and no more issues
[12:51:47] <jthornton> wow
[12:51:51] <Tom_itx> 80 mi s of me
[12:51:58] <jthornton> did you feel it?
[12:52:12] <Tom_itx> i don't feel anything when i'm asleep
[12:52:26] <Tom_itx> http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/45-earthquake-rattles-Kansas-Oklahoma-358729861.html
[12:52:29] <Tom_itx> local story
[12:52:47] <Tom_itx> we've been getting quite a few of them lately
[12:53:09] <Tom_itx> The quakes come after a 4.7-magnitude temblor hit northern Oklahoma on Nov. 19.
[12:56:00] <jthornton> http://showme.net/~fkeller/quake/maps4.htm
[12:56:35] <jthornton> se of me
[12:57:12] <Tom_itx> seems unusual here because it's so flat
[12:58:22] <Tom_itx> however USGS has instruments on the W side of town here and supposedly that's where this fault runs
[12:58:29] <Tom_itx> from Ok up thru KC
[12:59:19] <Tom_itx> i imagine you would feel an 8. quake
[12:59:55] <jthornton> yea that would even wake me up
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[13:00:52] <Tom_itx> we usually feel them if awake etc since the ground is so hard packed
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[15:55:35] <Jymmm> Mornin
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[16:08:58] <archivist> had a hard life
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sykes-Hobbing-Machine-complete-with-tooling-/321934591819
[16:10:14] <gonzo_> looks like my bp when I got it
[16:10:24] <gonzo_> and inside there were more horrors
[16:10:54] <archivist> looks like most of the change wheels are missing but who cares if adding cnc
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[16:44:45] <CaptHindsight> are these guys just dreaming of getting $149K for a'98 cnc gear machine?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUBISHI-GD30-CNC-GEAR-HOBBING-MACHINE-/221815131786
[16:45:05] <CaptHindsight> no older machines hold that much value over that many years
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[16:46:02] <archivist> about new price?
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[16:47:59] <_methods> i don't know that's probably about right for a 5 axis machine
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[16:48:18] <archivist> there is a certain percentage of used stuff sellers who start very high hoping to bag an idiot buyer methinks
[16:48:41] <_methods> well one of those new is probably $500k+
[16:49:26] <_methods> i'm sure if you offered $80-90k though you'd probably get an email
[16:49:29] <archivist> like a micrometer on fleabay last week £20 start bid and £250 buy it now, I bid 20 and won it
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[16:51:20] <CaptHindsight> I never priced a new CNC hobbing machine
[16:51:43] <_methods> well pretty much any 5 axis machine is going to start around $400k
[16:51:44] <CaptHindsight> are they really going for ~$500k for something that size
[16:52:39] <CaptHindsight> cnc lathes and mills lose their resale value faster than most cars
[16:52:42] <_methods> gear hobbers are fairly specialized also which drives new price up
[16:52:55] <_methods> and used since there are less on the market
[16:52:56] <archivist> the micrometer
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321928791307
[16:53:24] <archivist> got it home today and tested it
[16:53:56] <archivist> he was wrong there are some balls missing
[16:54:58] <CaptHindsight> "no parts missing" (that I'm aware of...)
[16:55:10] <_methods> nothing worse than missing balls lol
[16:55:45] <archivist> spot the light rust too
[16:56:14] <archivist> most complete one I have ever seen though
[16:57:50] <archivist> so choices, stainless balls or cheaper balls :)
[16:59:46] <CaptHindsight> what size balls?
[17:00:01] <archivist> 3/8
[17:00:40] <archivist> came with 3 added one to make it work, dunno what the full set was though
[17:01:41] <CaptHindsight> I got a super deal on a surface grinder since it was also missing 1/2 the bearings in the rails
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[17:02:19] <archivist> heh no cheap ones, so 10 stainless balls for 4.99 post free
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[17:03:47] <CaptHindsight> I think I needed 20 and found a deal on fleaby for 100 @ <$10
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[17:04:43] <archivist> on the pitch measuring machine I needed 1/2" balls to get that going
[17:05:05] <archivist> cheap enough to get them
[17:05:27] <CaptHindsight> I see more CMM's on UK flebay
[17:05:48] <archivist> yup been watching one
[17:06:41] <CaptHindsight> < £500, well worth it to me for the parts alone
[17:07:35] <archivist> the mitutoyo,? been on for a few months
[17:08:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MITUTOYO-AE122-CO-ORDINATE-MEASURING-MACHINE-NO-PROBE-AND-READOUT/121805600008
[17:08:22] <archivist> this was a runner
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201472186149
[17:08:55] <Erant> Any opinions on this lathe?
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/5332468493.html
[17:09:08] <archivist> the no readout might mean no scales too, just dont know how much has been stripped
[17:10:32] <archivist> CaptHindsight, what bits do you want
[17:12:30] <CaptHindsight> archivist: I can replace the probe with a small deposition head and camera
[17:13:03] <archivist> heavy lump to transport though
[17:13:29] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I don't see them for as low in the USA
[17:14:06] <archivist> just get a granite surface table and make the rest
[17:14:07] <CaptHindsight> granite bases are easy to find here, well for me
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[17:16:21] <CaptHindsight> I already do but for <$750, with most of it already there and aligned is a nice start
[17:18:15] <archivist> a lot of realigning after the dockers have shoved the crate around a bit
[17:18:48] <CaptHindsight> Erant: it has less value to me <$500, in good shape
[17:20:03] <archivist> it looks similar to a british Myford lathe, somewhat expensive
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[17:21:02] <archivist> where something better but less well known by hobbyists can be cheaper
[17:22:27] <jdh> there are lots of them around and parts are easy to find
[17:22:38] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Sorta what I figured. I'll see if I can knock him down a few pegs
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[17:27:18] <CaptHindsight> Erant: if it fits what you want it for
[17:27:41] <CaptHindsight> small, lighter, runs on 110V etc
[17:27:56] <CaptHindsight> no crane or truck required for moving
[17:28:23] <duc> pcw_home: hello. Would you know when order 1706 will be shipping. Just seeing if I will have it before I start vac on Dec 18
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[17:29:49] <pcw_home> unfortunately we are more behind than since I just got over some surgery and Katharine has been sick the last 2 weeks
[17:29:50] <Erant> CaptHindsight: Checks all my boxes ;)
[17:29:51] <pcw_home> I will take a look at 1706 and see what we can do
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[17:30:38] <Erant> duc: It's worth the wait though ;) I plugged everything in and hey presto, working CNC within the hour.
[17:31:04] <duc> pcw_home: thanks. Life sure does get in the way of things
[17:31:50] <duc> Erant: Yea. I have the 7i76 setup right now but switching to servos when I'm home on vacation since I normally travel all week
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[17:38:50] <Erant> duc: Ah. I have the 7i76 with servos, but my drives take in step&dir
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[17:45:14] <duc> Erant: that would have been to easy. Lol
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[17:51:55] <maxcnc> Hi Question is the Red line that folows the G-code the Backplot
[17:52:33] <maxcnc> Reason im searching for a way to clear the red line that is cleared by the brush icon in axis via a M-code
[17:53:28] <maxcnc> i gfot many items of the same part and want to get a look where i am
[17:54:08] <cradek> yes, people call that the backplot
[17:54:16] <cradek> there is not a way to clear it using an M code
[17:54:41] <maxcnc> Thanks so halcmd axis-remote -c shoudt do the job
[17:55:18] <cradek> oops you're right, you could possibly do it with axis-remote called from M10x
[17:55:23] <cradek> *not* halcmd
[17:55:37] <maxcnc> ok
[17:55:57] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#mcode:m100-m199
[17:57:27] <maxcnc> Tom shoudt also expand this to the examples that axis-remote can be used in Userdefind mcodes
[17:58:04] <maxcnc> i use that for loading the file from the CAM as it always outputs the same N7000.ngc
[17:58:16] <maxcnc> works fine
[17:58:45] <maxcnc> no more action on the mashine and PC requirerd all on the xhc-hb04 pendand
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[18:37:58] <Magnifikus> anyone knows if rt-preempt runs fine on rpi2 on jessie?
[18:38:19] <Magnifikus> or better anyone got a good start image :D
[18:38:23] <CaptHindsight> let us know when you find out :)
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[18:39:52] <CaptHindsight> Magnifikus: how is ethernet tied to the cpu on the rp2?
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[18:40:18] <CaptHindsight> over usb or is it integrated into the SOC?
[18:40:39] <Magnifikus> usb
[18:40:53] <Magnifikus> i know on the odroid c1 it was a mess
[18:41:01] <Magnifikus> cause that was external phy stuff
[18:41:05] <Magnifikus> so no usb
[18:41:10] <Magnifikus> only ran with usb wifi module
[18:41:16] <CaptHindsight> that was also over SPI and there was no ground pin near the header
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[18:41:48] <CaptHindsight> i was referring to jeplers experience with the Odroid
[18:41:48] <Magnifikus> hey it runs well
[18:41:56] <Magnifikus> with picnc2
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[18:43:17] <CaptHindsight> imx6 or rockchip with hm2_eth should be able to have real time synchronized multi-axis motion along with a fast enough GUI
[18:43:51] <CaptHindsight> I still taste a bit of my last meal whenever i hear about the Rpi's
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[18:44:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Vommiting in your mouth
[18:44:52] <CaptHindsight> yer mouth
[18:45:11] <Jymmm> Nice comeback... NOT! Try again
[18:45:35] <CaptHindsight> oh yeah
[18:46:07] <Magnifikus> http://0ptr.link/files/ anyone knows the user/pw for that rpi2 image? pi, machinekit,mk all not working
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[18:47:13] <CaptHindsight> Magnifikus: you might do better with rpi in the rpi channel
[18:47:17] <maxcnc> Magnifikus: you need to compile it yourself then it works fine
[18:48:05] <Magnifikus> maxcnc, so jessie, rt preempt and then compile?
[18:48:26] <maxcnc> i started with the minimal wheezee
[18:48:56] <CaptHindsight> with some mystery tool chain cross compiler?
[18:49:06] <maxcnc> it took nearly 4hr then igot a good running pi
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[18:50:44] <Magnifikus> nah pi dont need crosscompile hassle
[18:50:49] <Magnifikus> esp 2 is fast enough
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[18:54:26] <CaptHindsight> Broadcomm was right, make hardware loc cost enough and people won't care about open or rotten we are
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[18:55:41] <maxcnc> Magnifikus: did you look on this
https://code.google.com/p/picnc/wiki/CreateRaspbianLinuxCNC
[18:55:48] <maxcnc> i dident check it
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[18:56:19] <Magnifikus> ty
[18:56:43] <Magnifikus> oh yeah but i use now fpganc not picnc :D
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[18:57:47] <maxcnc> is there a fpga card for the pi
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[18:59:21] <gonzo_> you could possibly graft a mesa card to it, if you arranged some way to port the epp to gpio
[18:59:35] <gonzo_> or on of the usb/lan ones
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[19:00:45] <Magnifikus> nope i just took a spartan3
[19:00:51] <Magnifikus> +tmc5130a drivers
[19:01:11] <Magnifikus> minimal spartan3 board is like 30€
[19:04:21] <Magnifikus> https://www.dropbox.com/s/05zyv97uj68y3au/2015-11-30%2020.03.11.jpg?dl=0
[19:04:25] <Magnifikus> crude test setup
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[19:06:22] <Magnifikus> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cqsds87g765gnx1/2015-11-30%2020.05.25.jpg?dl=0
[19:06:24] <Magnifikus> and my drivers
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[19:10:31] <CaptHindsight> Magnifikus: I forget, what was the connection between the Spartan3 and the Rpi?
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[19:10:47] <Magnifikus> spi upto 20mhz
[19:11:03] <Magnifikus> tested with 15 mhz and ran for an hour without bit errors
[19:11:05] <CaptHindsight> why did I think that is was other than SPI
[19:11:12] <CaptHindsight> sorry, nevermind
[19:11:28] <Magnifikus> its best imho, would like to use something differential
[19:11:36] <Magnifikus> but rpi cant do that :/
[19:12:44] <maxcnc> Gn8
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[19:12:54] <CaptHindsight> how long are the SPI traces from pin to header?
[19:13:06] <SpeedEvil> Magnifikus: ethernet is differential
[19:13:11] <CaptHindsight> on the Rpi board
[19:13:30] <CaptHindsight> lol
[19:13:49] <CaptHindsight> talk about picking nits
[19:14:00] <SpeedEvil> But ethernet on the pi is connected over usb
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[19:14:06] <SpeedEvil> so you probably don't want to do that
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[19:18:11] <Magnifikus> SpeedEvil, so i dont think ethernet over usb is > than hard wired spi :)
[19:18:29] <SpeedEvil> no, but it is differential
[19:18:37] <Magnifikus> true
[19:20:50] <Erant> So I just bought like 1600 hex cap screws for $50 O_o
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[19:21:20] <Jymmm> Erant: the threadless ones
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[19:22:50] <CaptHindsight> threadless? so just caps and a shaft?
[19:23:22] <CaptHindsight> hex cap pins?
[19:23:35] <Erant> Nah, they're a variety. Anything fom 10-32 x 5/8 to 4-40 x 1/2
[19:23:43] <Erant> Socket, flat, button, etc.
[19:23:56] <CaptHindsight> good deal, any left?
[19:24:32] <Erant> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4800-Piece-Lot-Unbrako-Allen-Hex-Socket-Button-Head-Cap-Set-Screws-Gr-8-/191738345489?hash=item2ca47ef811:g:QS0AAOSwgQ9VuI7L
[19:24:36] <Erant> If you need a shitton
[19:24:41] <Erant> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1000-Piece-Lot-Holo-Krome-Allen-Hex-Socket-Button-Head-Cap-Screws-Grade-8-/141828622438?hash=item2105a50866:g:QGAAAOSwHnFVuI6h
[19:24:47] <Erant> Or a few less. They're from a liquidation.
[19:24:56] <CaptHindsight> perfect
[19:25:06] <Erant> They have very slight oxidation, but I can deal with that
[19:25:16] * SpeedEvil idly wonders about a teeeeeeeeeeeeny screw cutter.
[19:25:24] <CaptHindsight> and thanks for posting them while they are still available
[19:25:40] <Erant> np. The guy auto-accepts decent best offers too
[19:25:58] <Erant> Mine were listed for $70, but he took $50. Probably would've taken less.
[19:27:14] <Erant> And shipping's free, so I can't complain.
[19:27:46] <Erant> Gives me a life-time supply pretty much, and I like hex screws.
[19:29:55] <CaptHindsight> red oxide treated
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[19:31:30] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/QS0AAOSwgQ9VuI7L/s-l500.jpg they look a bit soggy
[19:32:23] <Erant> Those ones, yeah. Mine were less so:
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/LXYAAOSw3ydVuI7D/s-l500.jpg http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/90EAAOSwjVVVuI6w/s-l500.jpg
[19:32:41] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/4ssAAOSwLVZVuI6j/s-l500.jpg even these are too far gone for me
[19:32:47] <Erant> But you get what you pay for
[19:32:54] <CaptHindsight> usually
[19:33:03] <CaptHindsight> often less :)
[19:33:11] <Erant> ;)
[19:34:00] <CaptHindsight> who has the best deals on hex keys <=1mm
[19:34:10] <Erant> I'm just going to clean 'm up a little, put 'm in some new bins and pretty much never have to worry about hex screws again.
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[20:36:05] <_methods> jthornton: how much did your bp series 1 conversion cost you?
[20:39:53] <_methods> JT-Shop: or you
[20:39:54] <_methods> hehe
[20:40:16] <_methods> did you use all the existing servos and drives?
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[21:28:09] <AndChat|407721> _methods: are you converting a boss or manual bridgeport
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[21:42:54] <mrsun__> cnc converted boss ?
[21:43:30] <JT-Shop> I bought the BP with the Anilam already installed
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[21:49:35] <duc> What's wrong with current controller
[21:51:32] <_methods> did you reuse the drives and servos?
[21:51:50] <XXCoder> check this out
https://youtu.be/h2uWx7xl1go
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[21:54:08] <JT-Shop> yes and the power supply
[21:54:21] <JT-Shop> and the MPG...
[21:54:37] <_methods> k
[21:55:11] <_methods> basically all you had to do was drop in 7i77 and hook up all the existing i/o stuff to it?
[21:55:14] * JT-Shop goes back to menards...
[21:55:23] <_methods> 5i25/7i77?
[21:55:24] <Erant> XXCoder: Yeah, I'm probably going to do that to mine
[21:55:26] <JT-Shop> pretty much
[21:55:35] <_methods> any gotchas you remember?
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[21:55:52] <_methods> we have a series 1 at the shop i might be getting for a good price
[21:56:05] <_methods> but it's got some issues so i figured i'd just convert it
[21:56:08] <JT-Shop> I added a GS2 VFD for the spindle then later added an encoder to the spindle for rigid tappnig
[21:56:17] <_methods> ahhhhh
[21:56:20] <_methods> good idea
[21:56:22] <JT-Shop> manual mill?
[21:56:28] <_methods> no
[21:56:31] <_methods> eztrak
[21:56:36] <_methods> series 1 eztrak
[21:57:12] <JT-Shop> if the drives take +-10v and it has encoders it's an easy converstion
[21:57:16] <JT-Shop> conversion
[21:57:23] <JT-Shop> bbl
[21:57:27] <_methods> it's got the cleveland motion drives
[21:57:29] <duc> Encoder is really nice to have on spindle for VFD tuning
[21:57:30] <_methods> and servos
[21:57:56] <_methods> i'll have to check and make sure they are +/-10
[21:58:17] <_methods> guess it doesn't really matter since i'll just replace them if not
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[22:09:34] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:31:25] <CaptHindsight> when slitting 304 stainless with a 0.057" cutter would you go for more or less teeth with the same dia cutter?
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[22:33:28] <cradek> get 10 of each style, you'll need them
[22:33:34] <CaptHindsight> heh
[22:33:49] <PetefromTn_> stainless usually likes an aggressive cutter
[22:34:04] <cradek> yes you sure don't want to rub
[22:34:12] <CaptHindsight> 5 vs 6.5 degrees per tooth
[22:34:57] <CaptHindsight> depth of the slit is only 0.050"
[22:37:01] <CaptHindsight> maybe I'll get some 303 instead
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[23:15:59] <andypugh> According to a programme on the TV, every year we get through 360 trillion sticks of chewing gum. Somehow I don’t think that is right.
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[23:19:39] <andypugh> That means that every person on earth buys 135 sticks a day, which in the UK at least would be £3.50.
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[23:23:22] <JT-Shop> I think their math is flawed... like linuxmint claiming to be the 4th most use OS, how do they know lol
[23:24:08] * JT-Shop is making oak standoffs for the conduit...
[23:27:30] <CaptHindsight> maybe 4th most downloaded
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[23:28:03] <CaptHindsight> there's no way to tell how many installs are made from a single download
[23:28:36] <SpeedEvil> In some ways it would be nice f there was mre reporting.
[23:28:48] <SpeedEvil> It could for example be used to actually track drive/... reliability
[23:29:17] <CaptHindsight> or I download one copy of an ISO, install and bork it and reinstall vs fix weekly
[23:29:37] <JT-Shop> so how would linuxmint know how many copys of ubuntu is downloaded to compare
[23:30:40] <CaptHindsight> http://askubuntu.com/questions/80379/how-many-ubuntu-users-are-there-worldwide
[23:31:24] <CaptHindsight> guestimates
[23:32:31] <JT-Shop> 4' stick of 3/4 emt I put two offsets and one 90°... only took 3 tries to get it right
[23:33:05] <SpeedEvil> :)
[23:33:26] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: 'oh - this is too easy to actually bother properly marking it up'
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[23:35:52] <DaViruz> the stepper drivers on my new emco machines seems to actually detect when a stepper loses steps
[23:36:05] <DaViruz> which halts the machine and gives a synchonization error
[23:36:13] <DaViruz> seems like a pretty useful thing to have on a stepper driver
[23:36:38] <SpeedEvil> Interesting, and not hard to do.
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