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[00:12:39] <tsingi> andypugh: I'm enjoying these vids, thanks.
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[01:32:03] <andypugh> Hmm, opinons. A friends weld. I find myself thinking that he made a pretty bead, but missed the joint, what do you think?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HgW7X5Jt9do/UgqrrV5MJRI/AAAAAAAAboo/u3yZeboGZRU/s800-Ic42/SAM_0755.JPG
[01:33:55] <fenn> yep missed it
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[01:42:19] <fenn> Tom_itx: i've heard diatomaceous earth works better than talc for dusting the parting line
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[01:45:47] <fenn> oh in the video they say it's baking soda
[01:50:46] <andypugh> That sounds like a bad subsitution. Talc is insoluble, baking soda is soluble.
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[01:55:49] <CaptHindsight> powdered sugar would make for a sticky situation :)
[01:59:29] <fenn> well the sand stuck to the pattern so it was a bad substitution after all
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[02:00:19] <fenn> also i thought propellers were made of bronze, not brass?
[02:04:25] <andypugh> Should be Admiralty Bronze, I imagine.
[02:06:16] <andypugh> <Wikipedia> Ah, well, it turns out that I am wrong, the material is Admiralty Brass.
[02:08:40] <Jymmm> andypugh: "They can't take our coconuts away!"
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[02:09:45] <andypugh> Jymmm: That pirate-obsessed kid?
[02:10:29] <Jymmm> andypugh: Cute kid. Dad's doing ALL that work just so the pirates can't take away their coconuts =)
[02:10:59] <andypugh> Is he the dad or the grandad? I can’t decide.
[02:14:04] <Jymmm> andypugh: He's too nice to the kid, HAS to be granddad =)
[02:16:16] <andypugh> He should be teaching the kid to weld in small apces
[02:16:21] <andypugh> (spaces)
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[02:53:03] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: Good thought on the stepover, managed to generate a toolpath in just 10 minutes this time heh
[02:53:13] <XXCoder> nice
[03:00:37] <andypugh> MattyMatt: Did you see
https://xkcd.com/1608/ ? Kind of fun that it breaks the rules that JSW set by breaking rules.
[03:01:20] <XXCoder> andypugh: yeah
[03:01:28] <XXCoder> there is secret in lava btw
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[03:14:35] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073 glad to help man sorry I was out in the shop cleaning out my chip trays LOL
[03:16:42] <malcom2073> nice heh
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[03:28:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have been kinda neglecting cleaning them out so it was a huge pain in the ass to clean them this time LOL
[03:30:57] <malcom2073> Haha, yeah if they get packed up it gets tough I'll bet
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[03:34:28] <PetefromTn_> yup it was like four tall garbage bags full LOL
[03:34:58] <malcom2073> Haha wowza
[03:35:05] <malcom2073> I've about filled up a 5 gallon bucket so far
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[03:47:21] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/80-20-Slide--Economy-T-Nut/dp/B00R563R0M
[03:47:23] <XXCoder> NOOO
[03:47:36] <XXCoder> I cant find mine, and now its gone
[03:50:45] <Jymmm> Making hinges
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXZQMASEzY4
[03:51:56] <XXCoder> interesting
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[04:00:27] <andypugh> That’s one way
[04:02:12] <Jymmm> Junkyard Hammer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tPTLwmxsWc
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[04:51:47] <yasnak> I will never buy another machine besides citizen. their tech came out today (usa holiday) to fix a downed machine. maaan oh man.
[04:56:14] <Jymmm> Yesterday was holiday, today was just black friday =)
[04:56:20] <XXCoder> yeah
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[05:05:08] <anomynous_> today is saturday ;D
[05:05:17] <anomynous_> don't you know?
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[10:11:08] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6zE__J0YIU
[10:13:56] <XXCoder> yet another infinite variable gear
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[10:14:35] <anomynous> yet another?
[10:14:51] <XXCoder> geared part may be new
[10:15:06] <XXCoder> old one used cones and belt if I recall
[10:15:07] <anomynous> i think its cool ;D
[10:15:15] <XXCoder> actually used in production car
[10:17:45] <XXCoder> it showed what I was talking about briefly before 5:43
[10:18:05] <XXCoder> 5:40
[10:18:40] <XXCoder> I was right, the geared part was new anomynous
[10:18:47] <anomynous> sure. service free solution for stepless speed control, including clutch and everything. Just include arduino, or something ;D
[10:18:53] <anomynous> but i dont really know anyhting
[10:19:12] <XXCoder> gears means that tranmission can push more power
[10:19:45] <anomynous> also hydraulic clutch has energy losses
[10:20:15] <XXCoder> that and friction based ones (like double cone I menioned) loses power if torque are excessive.
[10:20:31] <XXCoder> ah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhFK5gfAGpM
[10:20:33] <anomynous> and belts need changing
[10:20:36] <anomynous> gears last
[10:21:24] <anomynous> and theres things like double clutches in cars like trucks
[10:21:34] <anomynous> and personal vechiles also
[10:21:48] <XXCoder> video I linked menions that lol
[10:21:56] <anomynous> oh :]
[10:22:49] <anomynous> no clutch in a big truck? Thats a costly part.
[10:22:57] <XXCoder> autocaptions are gibberish so how do the geared version change ratio?
[10:24:00] <anomynous> and synchronization rings will wear out in time also
[10:25:23] <archivist> XXCoder, the drive two the two small shafts
[10:25:35] <archivist> XXCoder, the drive to the two small shafts
[10:25:50] <archivist> he is hiding two small motors
[10:26:02] <XXCoder> isnt that just adder-subtractor
[10:26:12] <XXCoder> very old invention
[10:26:12] <archivist> yes
[10:26:36] <XXCoder> the chinese invented that over 2,000 years ago if I recall
[10:26:48] <archivist> so also you need power to drive the two small gears
[10:29:08] <XXCoder> too bad
[10:29:20] <XXCoder> it would be awesome to finally have geared variable tranmission
[10:29:47] <XXCoder> the awesomeness of CVT but wear life of regular transmission
[10:29:51] <XXCoder> no clutch
[10:29:52] <archivist> think about top gear in a car, clutch not lipping, very low loss
[10:29:59] <archivist> slipping
[10:30:29] <XXCoder> lipping. feludian slip? ;)
[10:30:32] <XXCoder> anyway yeah
[10:31:34] <archivist> I have actually made a gearbox with sun and planet so I could reverse it under power (winding mechanism in a clock)
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[10:32:20] <archivist> so been there done that not sure the patent is valid :)
[10:32:55] <XXCoder> design one that can handle 300 ft/lb torque
[10:33:04] <XXCoder> and you might have something
[10:33:08] <archivist> just bigger gears
[10:33:57] <XXCoder> do it
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[10:34:06] <anomynous> well, you probably did a planet gear with a fixed ratio or something. Maybe same logic could be applied, and say that you used gears to do it, so the your idea is not original ;)
[10:34:13] <archivist> hidden inside the brass cable drum
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=webb+clock
[10:34:16] <anomynous> not saying anyhting about originality of this video, though
[10:35:41] <archivist> used a dc motor to wind up the weights, this way it maintained the power to the escapement reasonably
[10:35:54] <archivist> does vary of course
[10:36:13] <XXCoder> its not too bad if it varies a little while rewinding
[10:36:17] <XXCoder> most clocks just stop
[10:37:49] <archivist> it has a type of escapement that must be maintained under power
[10:38:27] <archivist> not shown because the customer was to make the escapement himself
[10:38:49] <XXCoder> interesting
[10:39:58] <archivist> I have seen the customers video, so I know he got that far
[10:40:50] <anomynous> XXCoder, by double clutch i didnt mean a race car cluth
[10:41:34] <anomynous> but "automatic" transmission where there can be two engaged gears. One is being engaged to power line and one is being detatched with another clutch
[10:41:46] <anomynous> and changing gears means cluches switch states
[10:43:16] <archivist> anomynous, I had a car made in the 1960's with two electric powder clutches with solenoid mechanical change
[10:44:23] <archivist> http://www.andymurkin.net/Hillman/Hillinfo/Easidrive.html
[10:44:52] <anomynous> im actually probably wrong. Hmm.
[10:45:09] <archivist> should have saved that car, would be a very rare thing these days
[10:45:28] <anomynous> in europe manual transmission cars are normal, and theres new auto-transmissions which are actually manuals. I mean how those work.
[10:45:41] <anomynous> what i said is just... too complicated ;D
[10:46:08] <XXCoder> vw had this weird (and now quite rare) automatic manual
[10:46:20] <XXCoder> it dont have clutch pedal but you still gonna shift
[10:46:38] <anomynous> trucks also have auto transmissions
[10:46:41] <anomynous> "auto"
[10:46:43] <XXCoder> full auto is pretty rare
[10:47:07] <anomynous> but its just automatic clutch and computer doing shifting
[10:47:32] <anomynous> no worn out synchro rings
[10:47:33] <anomynous> ;D
[10:47:34] <XXCoder> my bro new car has that
[10:47:43] <XXCoder> its "manual" but everything is automati
[10:48:13] <anomynous> theres some transmissions without syncronization and are manual
[10:48:23] <anomynous> with clutch break
[10:48:32] <anomynous> and driver has to adapt the engine speed
[10:48:40] <anomynous> and straight teeth
[10:48:59] <archivist> crash box
[10:49:01] <anomynous> dunno if theres any around anymore, though ;D
[10:49:11] <anomynous> ive heard some like it
[10:49:15] <anomynous> its fast to change if you can do it
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[10:59:13] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGYuONwK7Nc truck gears are a bit heavier than normal car gears. And slower to synchronize. Especially with bad synchro rings.
[10:59:49] <anomynous> with down shifting you're supposed to hit a little bit of gas in between clutches to bring the gearbos in sync
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[11:16:02] <Jymmm> LOL
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/26/man-attempt-to-kill-spider-confused-with-domestic-violence-sparks-police-call/
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[12:02:11] <Jymmm> Build a Press Brake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn1GsAJcpok
[12:05:19] <jthornton> simple shop tools my ass that mini mag drill costs $750
[12:05:29] <jthornton> and the cold saw $$$$
[12:06:02] <jthornton> nice work
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[12:09:39] <jthornton> I have this one but the fit between the pins and sleeves is too loose
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_7902_7902
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[12:14:43] <archivist> no over bend so it can never manage 90 degrees :)
[12:15:55] <jthornton> actually mine will go past 90 a tad bit
[12:17:08] <archivist> he used a bit if normal angle anyway which usually has a well rounded inner, some having tapered sides
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[12:18:21] <Tecan> whats a good way to seal cracked glass ?, uv cure ?
[12:18:41] <archivist> replace the glass
[12:18:47] <Tecan> hotglue works kindof good if you get the glass really hot first
[12:20:12] <archivist> a vacuum to suck out the air so the crack can suck in the glue iirc people use either epoxy or superglue
[12:22:21] <Tecan> sounds like a good plan, thanks
[12:23:30] <malcom2073_> ssi: ping
[12:23:47] <archivist> google the methods as many screen crack removal men in car parks
[12:24:56] <archivist> you may accidentally extend the crack if done incorrectly
[12:26:21] <archivist> woooot never seen a complete one before!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321928791307
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[12:32:28] <archivist> usuall failure in the description it does not measure run out, it measures diameter and the moving carriage evens out the anvil pressure for accuracy
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[13:05:09] <Sync> jthornton: still relatively simple tools in general
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[13:25:57] <jthornton> everything looks simple till you try it
[13:26:49] <ReadError> yea like all those cooking shows
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[14:01:50] <jthornton> rain all day yuck
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[14:10:14] <jthornton> wow I can even set up my network printer with a few mouse clicks in mint, never could get printing to work on wheezy
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[15:18:57] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, our rain is stuck to the gnd
[15:23:45] <JT-Shop> yuck
[15:24:19] <SpeedEvil> Better than it being stuck to the walls.
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[15:55:24] <io> Hi at all. I want compile master on ubuntu 10.04 , but it not have python 2.7. We can install it on ubuntu 10.04 ?
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[15:58:21] <Tom_itx> i compile on 10.04 just fine
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[15:59:02] <monttyle> I've discovered a hitch to my best-laid plans... sc20uu pillow blocks come threaded M6, not smooth. How can I fasten them to a M6 threaded hole with no gap?
[15:59:29] <io> yes i have compile it with success, but it not is defaul python. if write in shell python i have 2.6.5.
[15:59:41] <Tom_itx> monttyle, drill them out and use bolts
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[16:00:35] <monttyle> Won't that ruin their precision?
[16:00:52] <Tom_itx> add dowel pins if you're worried
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[16:01:32] <_methods> what's wrong with m6?
[16:01:51] <monttyle> It's not that they're m6. It's that they're both threaded.
[16:01:54] <Tom_itx> _methods, unmatched threads will leave a gap
[16:02:05] <_methods> oh he has 2 threaded holes
[16:02:10] <Tom_itx> uh huh
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[16:02:15] <_methods> oh just drill one out
[16:02:24] <Tom_itx> that's what i just said
[16:02:32] <Tom_itx> and he replied about precision
[16:02:36] <Tom_itx> so i said dowel them
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[16:03:29] <_methods> i guess i should read first lol
[16:03:35] <Tom_itx> naw
[16:03:41] <Tom_itx> go ahead and contribute
[16:03:41] <monttyle> So, pegs threaded M6 that fit tightly into the drilled out pillow block?
[16:03:49] <monttyle> er, part-threaded
[16:03:50] <Tom_itx> it's just reinforcement
[16:04:13] <Tom_itx> monttyle, use the holes for bolts and add dowel pins beside them
[16:04:30] <archivist> one needs adjustment when mounting, I would not dowel probably
[16:04:46] <Tom_itx> he didn't want them to move
[16:04:50] <_methods> yeah screws are used for attaching stuff not locating
[16:04:59] <archivist> do the bolts up properly
[16:05:08] <Tom_itx> i hope so
[16:06:12] <monttyle> So, build a frame around the pillow block?
[16:06:17] <archivist> dont over constrain a build else it will always be binding or out of line
[16:06:55] <SpeedEvil> Understanding kinematics properly helps loads
[16:07:06] <SpeedEvil> It can be very non-obvious.
[16:07:11] <monttyle> I might just have to drill them out and hope for the best.
[16:07:19] <Tom_itx> io, i've got python 2.6.5 and 3.1.2 installed
[16:08:30] <Tom_itx> if you're using hope you won't get what you want
[16:08:55] <monttyle> The alternative seems to be building a pillow block pillow block.
[16:09:03] <archivist> monttyle, what will you be cutting on the machine
[16:09:11] <Tom_itx> monttyle, i don't see how
[16:09:13] <io> Tom_itx, please have a procedure for install 3.1.2. on ubuntu lucid ?
[16:09:22] <monttyle> Metal, I hope.
[16:09:28] <Tom_itx> io, synaptic package manager
[16:09:55] <archivist> monttyle, soft metals I hope as 20mm bar can be flexible
[16:10:01] <Tom_itx> monttyle, no room to add dowels?
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[16:10:30] <io> Tom_itx, , yes, but for have 3.1.2. defaul ? is automatic after instanllation ?
[16:10:48] <Tom_itx> dunno
[16:11:11] <Tom_itx> no, 2.6.5 is
[16:11:59] <monttyle> Really? I thought 20mm was overdoing it. I picked it for the nice 40mm spacing of its bearing blocks.
[16:12:30] <monttyle> Tom_itx: I might need a pic of what you mean.
[16:12:47] <archivist> monttyle, I had lots of vibration on a lathe with 50mm bar
[16:13:22] <archivist> a Hobbymat MD65
[16:14:40] <monttyle> You're thinking a lot bigger than I am.
[16:15:54] <archivist> the lathe bar was 50mm, not what I was turning
[16:16:57] <archivist> it is the concept of bar support that I can foresee problems with
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[16:19:35] <monttyle> Oh. I'm not trying to turn 20mm case hardened steel either.
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[16:20:07] <io> Tom_itx, first the install 3.1.2. you have remome 2.6.5. ?
[16:20:27] <archivist> something like normal cheap mild steel work hardens when being cut
[16:21:27] <io> Tom_itx, excuse write: you have disinstall 2.6.5. first the install 3.1.2. with synaptic manager ?
[16:22:14] <monttyle> This will be more like a mill than a lathe, for drilling lots of holes in 1/4" steel plate.
[16:24:51] <Tom_itx> io, i didn't
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[16:26:28] <io> Tom_itx, you have add ppa reposity for 3.1.2. ?
[16:26:48] <archivist> monttyle, for cnc drilling probably ok
[16:26:52] <monttyle> Tom_itx: Is this what you mean by doweling? Coming in from the other side?
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://us.misumi-ec.com/item/10300028210/img/oth_02.gif&imgrefurl=http://us.misumi-ec.com/vona2/detail/110300028210/&h=270&w=838&tbnid=fW-BJoBpjHfxVM:&docid=YwCHRYrM6hKFmM&ei=f9BZVqypOtP5ePipg6gB&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwjs5NGtv7PJAhXTPB4KHfjUABUQMwgfKAMwAw
[16:27:23] <PetefromTn_> morning
[16:27:28] <Deejay> hi Pete!
[16:27:33] <PetefromTn_> hey Deejay
[16:27:38] <PetefromTn_> howsitgoin?
[16:27:53] <Deejay> yoyo, fine, and u?
[16:28:01] <PetefromTn_> pretty good
[16:28:08] <Deejay> :)
[16:28:15] <PetefromTn_> found something interesting on my VMC yesterday
[16:28:32] <PetefromTn_> I always thought it had some impressive coolant flow
[16:28:48] <PetefromTn_> but I noticed yesterday it was kinda slowing down a touch
[16:28:55] <PetefromTn_> so I checked the troughs
[16:29:07] <PetefromTn_> and I suppose due to evaporation it was down a bit
[16:29:30] <PetefromTn_> I often put a couple gallons in just to keep it at the level I was at when I started
[16:29:42] <PetefromTn_> but yesterday my wife was helping me out in the shop
[16:29:57] <PetefromTn_> and I asked her to get me some more water in the 5 gallon bucket I use for coolant
[16:30:08] <PetefromTn_> she brings me a full 5 gallon bucket
[16:30:09] <Deejay> hrhr
[16:30:12] <PetefromTn_> I load coolant
[16:30:17] <PetefromTn_> and dump it in the machine
[16:30:27] <PetefromTn_> then she asks if I want more
[16:30:30] <PetefromTn_> I said sure why not
[16:30:38] <PetefromTn_> so she brings me another 5 gallons
[16:30:40] <PetefromTn_> and I do the same
[16:30:51] <PetefromTn_> I was going to be good with that
[16:31:07] <PetefromTn_> but before I remembered to tell her to not bring me any more
[16:31:14] <PetefromTn_> she had another 5 gallon bucket there
[16:31:27] <PetefromTn_> so I checked the troughs to make sure I was not going to overflow anything
[16:31:39] <PetefromTn_> and proceeded to dump the last 5 gallon bucket in there
[16:31:52] <PetefromTn_> then I turn on the machine and start running parts
[16:31:57] <PetefromTn_> the coolant comes on a OMG
[16:32:09] <PetefromTn_> the pressure coming out of the nozzles is WAY more than I ever saw it before
[16:32:15] <Deejay> yay
[16:32:19] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[16:32:23] <Tom_itx> monttyle, something like this:
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/pillowblock.jpg
[16:32:25] <PetefromTn_> it is almost TOO much hehe
[16:32:26] <Deejay> do you have a water cutter know? :D
[16:32:41] <PetefromTn_> well when the cutter now drops into a pocket
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[16:32:59] <PetefromTn_> the spray splashed up ABOVE the damn toolchanger carousel LOL
[16:33:08] <Deejay> uh
[16:33:11] <PetefromTn_> No worries with chip evac now I guess LOL
[16:33:24] <Deejay> yeah, blow 'em away!!!
[16:33:35] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda happy kinda surprised about it ;)
[16:33:36] <Deejay> hopefully you will not flood your shop ;)
[16:33:37] <_methods> wonder if you have a clogged filter somewhere the water is going over the top of now or something
[16:33:41] <Tom_itx> monttyle, make the dowels shorter than the material thickness and they won't be in the way at all
[16:34:11] <PetefromTn_> _methods the coolant pump lives in a screened off area at the back of the trough
[16:34:36] <_methods> weird
[16:34:38] <Tom_itx> good morning pete from tennessee pete!
[16:34:49] <_methods> well i mean not weird about the screen
[16:35:01] <_methods> just weird that your pressure would suddenly increase like that
[16:35:04] <PetefromTn_> It was not that long ago that I had the whole troughs apart and sealed with fresh paint etc.
[16:35:11] <PetefromTn_> I know it is kind of wierd
[16:35:21] <_methods> wonder if something was in the lines
[16:35:23] <_methods> and blew out
[16:35:26] <PetefromTn_> I honestly did not fill it way up for fears of having some leaks
[16:35:38] <PetefromTn_> since when I bought the machine the troughs leaked
[16:35:49] <monttyle> I see, thank you
[16:35:57] <_methods> heh it wouldn't be a coolant tank if it wasn't leaking lol
[16:35:58] <PetefromTn_> and I tig welded and sealed the entire troughs with epoxy
[16:36:02] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, so you been sucking air all this time?
[16:36:07] <PetefromTn_> and epoxy based paint
[16:36:16] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx Good morning to you sir
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[16:36:35] <Tom_itx> or just packed with chips..
[16:36:44] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx Honestly it is a possibility but I never noticed the pump cavitating and the coolant never stops or sputters
[16:36:58] <Tom_itx> on our new brittans we had to clean the screens around the pump hourly
[16:36:59] <PetefromTn_> I doubt that
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[16:37:24] <PetefromTn_> you should see the flow now tho jeez LOL
[16:37:31] <Tom_itx> but they were 6 & 8 spindle lathes running 24/6
[16:38:06] <PetefromTn_> LOL my race shop guys asked me to go in to work there today around 1030 to help with some stuff
[16:38:10] <PetefromTn_> I woke up early
[16:38:14] <PetefromTn_> got showered up
[16:38:17] <PetefromTn_> drove to burger king
[16:38:26] <Tom_itx> that guy is creepy
[16:38:27] <PetefromTn_> got a croissanwich and some OG
[16:38:40] <PetefromTn_> OJ
[16:38:46] <PetefromTn_> showed up around 1035
[16:38:49] <PetefromTn_> nobody there
[16:38:57] <PetefromTn_> waited to 1045 or so
[16:39:00] <PetefromTn_> still nobody
[16:39:04] <PetefromTn_> drove back home LOL
[16:39:08] <PetefromTn_> dafuq?
[16:39:42] <PetefromTn_> so I will just run some parts here at my shop I guess ;)
[16:39:46] <Tom_itx> all dressed up and no place to go..
[16:39:49] <PetefromTn_> I got a bunch of schtuff to do anyway
[16:39:55] <PetefromTn_> hehe I know right!
[16:40:03] <Tom_itx> suxx
[16:40:09] <PetefromTn_> I even put on my Addicted Performance Tee shirt and hoodie!!
[16:40:29] <Tom_itx> get a competetor's tee and wear it in monday
[16:40:36] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[16:40:43] <Tom_itx> i would :D
[16:40:46] <monttyle> Want to bet they'll call you in an hour wondering what the hell?
[16:40:58] <PetefromTn_> I know monty I am waiting
[16:41:09] <PetefromTn_> I'll say WTF dude where were ya!!
[16:41:12] <Tom_itx> i've had that happen too monttyle, i won't go after the first call and no show
[16:41:40] <PetefromTn_> they did say I did not HAVE to show up but it would be nice if I could.
[16:42:20] <Loetmichel> Hrhr... wife wanted me to make her a "webcam-backdrop" so her co-workers dont see her chaotic room when it comes to video converence on monday morning... problem is that the shops that have that are already closed around here... so i went to the "hardware store... bought a 2m by 180cm spring loaded window shade in "natural cotton"... a 2 meter long aluminium L-profile in 30mm by 50mm... and
[16:42:20] <Loetmichel> a 400W construction halogen light on a 2 meters high stand... all for less than 100 bucks... will combine them tomorrow to get something like this:
http://www.alu-werbetraeger.de/images/product_images/popup_images/1536_0.JPG just upside down and less bright ;) -> job done ;)
[16:42:24] <Tom_itx> if you say be there at 10:30 i'll be there at 10:25 and wait 20-30 and if you don't show, don't call
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[16:43:21] <PetefromTn_> I guess I probably should have waited longer then
[16:43:32] <PetefromTn_> but I am an impatient bastard
[16:43:36] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, still cost you a home made breakfast, time and gas
[16:43:38] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: They're all 'We were here at 10:30 on the dot, and waited to 10:34 and he diddn't show'
[16:43:38] <PetefromTn_> so I just hauled ass :D
[16:43:57] <PetefromTn_> SpeedEvil LOL probably
[16:44:17] <PetefromTn_> they're all cursing me over there now working their azzes off
[16:44:24] <PetefromTn_> NOT!!
[16:45:52] <_methods> these old spice commercials.........wtf
[16:46:00] <_methods> they keep getting more insane
[16:46:19] <PetefromTn_> those are hilarious
[16:46:25] <PetefromTn_> I love that big muscle guy
[16:46:29] <PetefromTn_> hes so funny
[16:46:29] <_methods> you see this new best friends one
[16:46:32] <_methods> it's super creepy
[16:46:38] <PetefromTn_> no I don't think so
[16:46:41] <_methods> wow
[16:46:46] <_methods> it's freakin nutz
[16:47:03] <PetefromTn_> whats that big muscle black guys name on those older ones?
[16:47:09] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HXVfH1P8YU
[16:47:17] <_methods> terry crews?
[16:47:27] <PetefromTn_> LOL thats him!!
[16:47:34] <PetefromTn_> that dude is hilarious
[16:48:22] <_methods> man that commercial is captinsano
[16:48:47] <PetefromTn_> hehe that one is quite odd
[16:49:10] <PetefromTn_> I like the one where the guy is on the horse talking about how good looking he is its funny as shit
[16:50:15] <_methods> almost time to hit the leftovers
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[16:50:54] <PetefromTn_> that guy kinda reminds me of the guy in the movie men at work
[16:51:06] <PetefromTn_> at least he has the same kind of humor
[16:51:48] <_methods> oh man i love that movie
[16:52:08] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv8xFI32hJM
[16:52:25] <_methods> never touch a man's penis, his girlfriend or his fries lol
[16:52:40] <PetefromTn_> ROFL that is a really funny movie
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[16:53:00] <_methods> so many good one liners
[16:53:10] <_methods> like the whiteboy one lol
[16:54:19] <_methods> that black played the step father of mary in something about mary
[16:54:22] <_methods> frank and beans
[16:54:40] <_methods> ah man, how you get the frank above the beans
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[16:55:45] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[16:55:50] <PetefromTn_> he did didn't he
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[17:00:28] <PetefromTn_> he looks friggin' dead LOL
[17:00:45] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5SxhL-QVU0
[17:03:55] <_methods> man i need to watch that movie again
[17:04:07] <Roguish> http://putlocker.is/watch-men-at-work-online-free-putlocker.html
[17:05:19] <_methods> hahah it's the french fry part
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[17:07:51] <Roguish> thanks for the movie. I don't remember that one, but will watch if for sure now.....!!!!!
[17:08:02] <_methods> it's a classic
[17:08:14] <PetefromTn_> yeah its pretty funny
[17:08:37] <_methods> the chase was another good one with charlie sheen from around that time frame
[17:08:52] <_methods> not as funny as men at work
[17:09:11] <CaptHindsight> whatever happened to Emilio?
[17:10:24] <_methods> man no idea
[17:11:11] <CaptHindsight> it's like that movie passed the success baton from Emilio to Charlie
[17:15:05] <_methods> yeah after young guns and that they kinda disappeared
[17:15:18] <_methods> charlie didn't do anything for a long time
[17:16:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah he was busy ;)
[17:16:48] <_methods> winning!!!!!
[17:17:30] <ChuangTzu_> yeah!
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[17:18:03] <ChuangTzu_> whoa
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[17:18:34] <Deejay> huah!
[17:18:42] <Deejay> yeehaw!
[17:18:44] <ChuangTzu_> had a weird irssi thing
[17:18:52] <ChuangTzu_> where this window was showing up in 2 different windows
[17:19:00] <ChuangTzu_> and i couldn't figure out which one was the real one
[17:19:37] <PetefromTn_> cool they have an outdoor ice skating ring in Knoxvegas downtown I did not know that...
[17:19:56] <CaptHindsight> anyone familiar with AB Micrologic PLC software and their licensing? Trying to find out if there is a free version that goes up to the 1100 series
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[17:21:18] <CaptHindsight> nevermind found it
http://theautomationblog.com/free-micrologix-1000-programming-software/
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[17:34:33] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: how many days a year do you have snow on the ground in your neck of the woods?
[17:36:10] <PetefromTn_> heh like three or four maybe?
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[17:36:43] <PetefromTn_> we have had the occasional snowstorm where it lasts a week or more but that is a rarity really.
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[18:12:51] <anomynous_> thats phun. thick banks of snow. Driving is phun, if you can get forward and everything is white.
[18:13:52] <Magnifikus> any good idea for interfacing IO @24V with µC etc like isolator chips?
[18:14:02] <Magnifikus> speaking of endstops etc
[18:18:20] <Jymmm> diy punch & die
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmj42zD8yEs
[18:22:05] <CaptHindsight> Magnifikus: what's wrong with your idea?
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[18:22:26] <Magnifikus> nah best practice to convert that down to 3,3v
[18:23:20] <Magnifikus> http://www.ichaus.de/product/iC-JX something like this maybe
[18:23:42] <Loetmichel> anomynous_: i like drifting on snow with my underpoered rwd Opel Omega ;)
[18:24:23] <anomynous_> Loetmichel, yea. Even underpowered cars drift in snow, and with legal speeds.
[18:24:25] <anomynous_> ;D
[18:24:41] <PetefromTn_> I really enjoyed snow wheeling in my Rock Crawling Suzuki Samurai's...wish I still had one.
[18:25:15] <PetefromTn_> we used to tow the kids around in their sleds behind the zuk in the snow..lots of fun
[18:26:45] <anomynous_> i once went back first into ditch for toying on road
[18:26:51] <anomynous_> ;D
[18:27:19] <PetefromTn_> we aimed for the ditches ;)
[18:27:31] <anomynous_> ;D
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[18:28:08] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: now make one that can punch Dsub holes.
[18:28:28] <Loetmichel> and in 7.5 ton knee press ;)
[18:28:35] <Loetmichel> 0.75 ton
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[18:32:48] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9nGyPz9uT0 mouse organ sketch
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[18:34:02] <Loetmichel> anomynous_: my car drifts on wet roadas also
[18:34:16] <Loetmichel> it has 150hp and front motor, rwd... works ok
[18:34:25] <Loetmichel> but its not a sports car either ;)
[18:34:51] <anomynous_> my car drifts on dry asphalt if i want to, and its a fwd
[18:34:55] <anomynous_> maybe 100hp
[18:35:00] <anomynous_> just needs some speed
[18:35:20] <anomynous_> its just not healthy for the car
[18:35:27] <Loetmichel> does it weight 2 metric tons? ;-)
[18:35:33] <anomynous_> and it would definetly get wrong kind of attention
[18:35:49] <automata> any idea where I can find packages for the new 3.16.0-9-rtai kernel
[18:35:51] <anomynous_> loet yea, maybe something like that
[18:36:02] <anomynous_> maybe less
[18:36:24] <Loetmichel> and i CAN get it to spin the wheels on dry road
[18:36:28] <Loetmichel> its just easier on wet ;)
[18:36:34] <anomynous_> mee too. Thats easy
[18:37:12] <Loetmichel> for slow drifting its needed to have a rwd tho
[18:37:26] <anomynous_> i you mean to burn rubber, it could do that too... probably. Just drive steep enough curve to shift weight and hit gas to burn the otehr side tyre
[18:37:27] <Loetmichel> you cant drift that good at slow speeds with a FWD
[18:37:29] <anomynous_> ;D
[18:38:07] <Loetmichel> and of course i meant BOTH driven wheels to be spinning
[18:38:18] <anomynous_> no. I can't do that.
[18:38:19] <Loetmichel> at least losing grip, so the drift starts
[18:38:47] <anomynous_> If you have rwd you can do that anyway. Just make it skid and hit gas
[18:38:55] <anomynous_> if you lose traction, you lose it in all directions
[18:39:04] <Loetmichel> <- has a hydraulic auto engaging diff lock... ;)
[18:39:31] <Loetmichel> yeah, thats what i meant
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[18:40:15] <Loetmichel> cant tell how often i drifted around corners inadvertedly just by putting a bit to much accelerator in it ;)
[18:41:13] <anomynous_> you know, in drifting the drifting angle and drift length too i think are factors of scoring
[18:41:16] <anomynous_> ;D
[18:41:18] <Loetmichel> <- "ups" ... catch the back, straighten it up, make a sign of apologize to the UPS driver coming at you with wide open eyes. ;)
[18:41:26] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: now toss bleach o the back tires and lit em up!
[18:41:56] <Loetmichel> what dose that bleach do?
[18:42:04] <Loetmichel> does
[18:42:09] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: make em smoke like crazy
[18:42:21] <Loetmichel> ah. i see
[18:42:25] <Loetmichel> my car is a diesel
[18:42:31] <Loetmichel> i have the exhaust for that ;)
[18:42:44] <Jymmm> Loetmichel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqVJogbZvro
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[18:51:49] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: NOW WE'RE TALKING...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unwujSVpZwA
[18:52:39] <Loetmichel> what a waste
[18:52:45] <Loetmichel> of perfectly good tyres
[18:52:53] <Jymmm> Nah, fun stuff
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[18:53:08] <Jymmm> and the rim? lol
[18:53:26] <Loetmichel> and the rim
[18:53:31] <CaptHindsight> the trick is to stop spinning them right before they pop
[18:54:08] <Loetmichel> and the brake disc i would say
[18:54:48] <Jymmm> Nah, if you can't have a project car to muck around with, whats the point
[18:55:20] <Loetmichel> not my alley... i have to use my only car to go to work and back
[18:55:38] <Loetmichel> so i wouldnt want to destroy it on pourpose
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[18:57:10] <CaptHindsight> that is in the next video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdbMRwEpmxg
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[18:58:06] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: you need a $50 running car to play with
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[18:58:39] <Loetmichel> no, i dont ;)
[18:59:07] <Loetmichel> i dont have the room to park another car.
[18:59:33] <Loetmichel> and its illegal in germany to park a car without license plates on open streets
[18:59:46] <Jymmm> who said anything about it being around (or in one piece) to park?
[19:01:25] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Basically you would just be taking it for a spin just before it hits the junk yard =)
[19:01:32] <Loetmichel> i have no place to put anohter car
[19:01:36] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Basically you would just be taking it for a spin just before it hits the junk yard =)
[19:01:56] <Loetmichel> neither on "my" (rented) ground nor on the street
[19:02:29] <Jymmm> I'm sure there is soem abandond factory near you
[19:02:37] <Loetmichel> and you cant do that either here without a license plate and insurance
[19:02:42] <Loetmichel> there isnt
[19:03:21] <Loetmichel> and even it there were: not allowed unless the factory owner gives you WRITTEN allowance
[19:03:33] <Loetmichel> ... good look with getting that ;)
[19:04:01] <Jymmm> What, are they going to take your car away? <grin>
[19:04:11] <Jymmm> FREE TOWING!!!
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[19:04:25] <Loetmichel> no, they are going to take my drivers license away. and fine me to hell and back
[19:05:09] <Jymmm> and the problem is?
[19:05:15] <Loetmichel> and of copurse charge me for towing my car to a scrapyard and get it destroyed ;)
[19:05:24] <Jymmm> lol
[19:05:47] <Loetmichel> and i need my drivers license to go to work
[19:05:58] <Jymmm> boots are cheaper
[19:06:29] <Loetmichel> "anit nobody has time for that!"
[19:06:38] <Loetmichel> (its 12km one way to the company)
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[19:06:57] <Jymmm> work off the holiday grub =)
[19:08:12] <Loetmichel> btw: did you know that you can get your drivers license revoked for having 0,01gr THC found in your purse?
[19:08:26] <Loetmichel> ... i dont like this country any more...
[19:08:45] <Jymmm> Did you know it's legal here.... COME TO AMERICA
[19:09:17] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: its "legal" here upt to 30g "personal use" too
[19:09:27] <Loetmichel> you dont get convicted for that...
[19:10:08] <Jymmm> Uh, whatcha thick those lil crystals are on the buds?
[19:10:09] <Loetmichel> but some courts are not happy with that rule, so they tell the drivers license register your "offence" even if you are not convited at al.
[19:10:13] <Jymmm> think*
[19:10:24] <Jymmm> thats BS
[19:10:33] <Loetmichel> and them go straight for revoking your license until you do a psyc eval.
[19:10:44] <Jymmm> WTH?! lol
[19:10:58] <Jymmm> Someobody has been watchign Reffer Madness =)
[19:11:54] <Loetmichel> happened a dozen or more times last year
[19:11:58] <Loetmichel> alone
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[19:13:40] <Loetmichel> and there are some court rules that deem that "legal" in the sense that they ruled it not a "double punishment" but a "concern about your ability to follow rules"
[19:17:44] <Jymmm> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[19:19:10] <Loetmichel> to top it up: you know that you cant even drive a bicycle on german roads with your license revoked?
[19:20:01] <anomynous_> i wouldn't laugh at germany's legal system if i lived in usa. In usa cops shoot to kill, and people are out on streets against crooked cops ;)
[19:20:08] <Jymmm> That's sad. So lil kids can't ride a bicycle without a license?!
[19:20:31] <Loetmichel> and that a new license (after your period of revoke is done AND you did a successful psyc eval for 1k€) costs about 2000 to 2500 eur in europe for a (car up to 3.5 tons) license?
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[19:20:57] <Jymmm> anomynous_: You just start begging PLEASE DONT KILL ME if you get pulled over for going too fast
[19:21:06] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: kids can
[19:21:10] <Loetmichel> anybody can
[19:21:23] <Loetmichel> not having a license is different to having it revoked
[19:22:09] <anomynous_> Jymmm, yes sir, no sir. Just remember to say sir many times next time you see a cop, so he would go away.
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[19:22:43] <Loetmichel> yeah, germanys entire police force fired 85 bullets in 2014... while americans fired 90 bullets INTO ONE perp.
[19:23:14] <Jymmm> paranoid cops
[19:23:15] <Loetmichel> (or was it 2013)
[19:23:58] <Loetmichel> funny thing is: we still have lower crime rates than america. absolute AND per citizen
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[19:25:00] <Loetmichel> oru legals system and our police may not be perfect. but its still waaaayyyy better than anything in the u.s. ;)
[19:26:13] <Loetmichel> btw: the courts that did the "psyc eval" trick were almost all in bavaria... which is called a "free state" for a reason
[19:26:25] <Loetmichel> they are a bit strange. may be like your texans ;)
[19:28:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah keep telling yourself that LOL
[19:29:27] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_: i take that back
[19:29:34] <Loetmichel> s/texans/rednecks
[19:29:37] <Loetmichel> fits better ;)
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[19:31:16] <Loetmichel> i mean: what do you expect from people that dress in lederhosn and drink beer by the gallon for a month once a year?
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[19:33:29] <slide> Anyone worked with 1/4in thick popler before? I'm trying to cut out some areas that have points but they keep chipping off, what can I do to stop that?
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[19:33:58] <PetefromTn_> approach from both sides?
[19:34:06] <Loetmichel> whats popler?
[19:34:18] <slide> a wood
[19:34:19] <PetefromTn_> I've cut TONS of poplar
[19:34:48] <digshadow> Heyo. in python, I'd like to get the actual spindle speed as reported by my tach and shown in the pyvcp panel ("spindle-at-speed" in HAL). linuxcnc.status() has spindle_speed but this is only the commanded speed. Can you point me in the right direction (docs etc) that I should look at?
[19:35:00] <PetefromTn_> its one of my favorite woods mostly because it machines so well and generally has little in the way of internal stresses
[19:35:07] <slide> PetefromTn_, hrm what do you mean? like do one cut from one dir and the next from the other?
[19:35:30] <Loetmichel> ah, "pappel"
[19:35:37] <slide> PetefromTn_, what rpm do you use?
[19:35:37] <PetefromTn_> slide depends I have NO idea what you are doing or what kind of machine you are using ;)
[19:35:53] <Loetmichel> thats easy. get a tunsten carbide one flute or two flute cutter
[19:36:01] <Loetmichel> sharp as a razir
[19:36:05] <Loetmichel> razor
[19:36:59] <Loetmichel> and when the poplar is extremly weak: clamp it between two sheets of hardwood/plywood on the machine
[19:37:03] <Loetmichel> and mill thru
[19:37:21] <slide> PetefromTn_,
[19:37:21] <slide> this was one of my original ones,
http://i.imgur.com/XrhCJ10.jpg
[19:37:37] <slide> but the little piece in the bottom middle is too fragile with the grain going that way and keeps breaking off
[19:38:16] <slide> so im tring rotating the piece 90degrees however now the tip of the heart is chipping off along with more of the pointy bits on the outline
[19:38:44] <PetefromTn_> hmm
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[19:39:07] <PetefromTn_> might try securing the whole piece to a substrate with some carpet tape while cutting
[19:39:09] <slide> right now im doing a piece with climb milling instead of convential to see if that elps
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[19:39:30] <seb_kuzminsky> digshadow: you asked about spindle-at-speed earlier, right?
[19:39:37] <slide> PetefromTn_, well most of the time its the tip piece of the wood thats chipping off, not necessarily all the way through
[19:39:46] <digshadow> seb_kuzminsky: yeah do you have suggestion?
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[19:40:16] <PetefromTn_> I know exactly what is wrong here slide...
[19:40:31] <PetefromTn_> its because it is a picture of Louisiana!!! ;)
[19:40:34] <anomynous_> never milled wood, but just an idea. Cut the outline with a bigger cutter, and finish details with a smaller cutter, and maybe even depth steps? ;D
[19:40:39] <slide> lol
[19:40:53] <slide> touche
[19:41:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah are you plunging all the way thru in one pass?
[19:41:09] <seb_kuzminsky> it depends on what you're doing... you're writing a python program that needs to know the spindle speed, i'd say make it a hal component ("import hal"), make a pin, and net that pin to your spindle feedback
[19:41:36] <digshadow> import hal is probably the key element I'm missing
[19:41:40] <digshadow> thanks I'll take a look at that
[19:41:41] <slide> PetefromTn_, nope, going like 0.09in
[19:41:50] <digshadow> seb_kuzminsky: above
[19:42:00] <PetefromTn_> are you leaving a finish pass?
[19:42:05] <slide> thouse are the rough cuts, i am doing 1 full depth final pass thogh
[19:43:15] <PetefromTn_> another thing we used to do when cutting fragile parts was to tape with masking tape across the top and bottom before the cut to help keep the grain top together
[19:43:39] <slide> yea i though about doing that. Masking or painters tape would work i assume?
[19:43:51] <PetefromTn_> works very well when cross cutting
[19:44:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah we usually just used masking because it did not seem to leave anything that would interfere with stains/finish after light sanding
[19:45:57] <slide> so right now im using 15in/min could that be too fast?
[19:46:17] <anomynous_> muahah. Use high feed cutters on wood to make it not chip slide ;D
[19:47:17] <slide> huh heh
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[19:48:42] <slide> currently im using this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004NSKWDU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
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[19:49:20] <anomynous_> that would excert force torwards the table where the workpiece rests and not radially. I wasn't serious. I think theres no such cutters for wood, but how would i know.
[19:49:30] <PetefromTn_> huh I might suggest getting a proper wood milling bit preferably single or double flute as suggested earlier
[19:50:26] <PetefromTn_> they also sell dual twist bits that push and pull from top and bottom to avoid tearout in plywoods and thin materials.
[19:50:51] <slide> just gotta figure out what is a "proper wood milling bit" lol, i got a few from some ebay page listed on the x-carve forums, but ive only had this thing a few weeks so still not really knowledgable heh
[19:52:54] <PetefromTn_> http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2012/04/06/cnc-router-cutters-types-and-how-to-use-them/
[19:53:01] <digshadow> seb_kuzminsky: looking at docs, looks like this is intended for creating custom HAL components. What I want to do is get a pin value of an existing component to a python script not running in axis. I could use this to create a custom shim component that writes out the value to disk or something like that, but thats not what I was hoping to do
[19:53:22] <anomynous_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmoCM8Fz-kk you see how high feed mills make flashes
[19:53:37] <slide> thanks
[19:53:40] * anomynous_ goes to sleep
[19:53:42] <anomynous_> ;D
[19:53:46] <Sync> blegh
[19:53:50] <Sync> my turbopump overheats
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[19:59:43] <Jymmm> sawdust maker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eengn9eNQw
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[20:07:19] <seb_kuzminsky> digshadow: the python hal module is used to interfacing with hal from python
[20:07:38] <seb_kuzminsky> you can use it to write hal components, like the logger you're talking about, or just to inspect stuff
[20:07:48] <seb_kuzminsky> (you can't log to disk from realtime, of course)
[20:08:32] <digshadow> seb_kuzminsky: if I create a component with the same name as an existing component
[20:08:41] <digshadow> it will then latch on to that component instead of creating a new one?
[20:08:53] <anomynous_> palax makes smaller pieces
[20:08:54] <anomynous_> ;D
[20:09:25] <seb_kuzminsky> digshadow: if you have the git repo cloned, take a look at tests/motion-logger/basic/test-ui.py for an example of how to use it
[20:09:36] <digshadow> sounds good, will do
[20:09:55] <seb_kuzminsky> digshadow: do not use an already-existing name, make a new name for your new hal component
[20:10:20] <seb_kuzminsky> then use 'halcmd net' to connect its pins to the existing nets you want to inspect
[20:10:36] <digshadow> seb_kuzminsky: so fundamentally though I think thats what it boils down to
[20:10:42] <digshadow> to inspect a component I *have* to shim it
[20:10:50] <digshadow> does that sound correct?
[20:10:53] <seb_kuzminsky> what do you mean by "inspect a component"?
[20:11:14] <digshadow> seb_kuzminsky: I want to get the spindle speed. There is an exsiting hal component that does that and displays it to pyvcp
[20:11:27] <digshadow> I just need to figure out how to get that value
[20:11:35] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, hal makes that easy
[20:11:37] <seb_kuzminsky> here's how you do it
[20:11:50] <seb_kuzminsky> start linuxcnc so that the pyvcp display shwos the spindle speed
[20:12:07] <seb_kuzminsky> then use "halcmd show pin pyvcp" to see what pins pyvcp has in hal, and what they're connected to
[20:12:21] <seb_kuzminsky> one of the pins will be connected to a net that some other component writes the spindle speed to
[20:12:34] <seb_kuzminsky> and pyvcp reads the spindle speed value off that net (via its pin)
[20:12:49] <seb_kuzminsky> you have to create a new hal component (with a new name) that exports a pin of its own
[20:13:00] <seb_kuzminsky> and you have to connect that new pin to the net that has spindle-speed on it
[20:13:11] <seb_kuzminsky> then whenever your comp reads that pin, it'll get the spindle speed
[20:13:14] <seb_kuzminsky> make sense?
[20:13:24] <digshadow> yeah I think so, I'll give it a try. Thanks!
[20:13:45] <seb_kuzminsky> cool
[20:14:05] <seb_kuzminsky> have you read the "HAL" chapters of the documentation? it's got some really useful background info:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/
[20:14:31] <seb_kuzminsky> digshadow: i'll be afk for a bit, but if you ask me questions i'll read back and reply later
[20:14:48] <digshadow> I have, but fundamentally the python hal example is for something completley different than I want to do
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[20:15:36] <digshadow> if I get this working it may be good to post as an example
[20:17:24] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd love it if we had better hal/python docs, anything you can contribute would be welcome
[20:17:54] <digshadow> sure
[20:18:08] <digshadow> I also make heavy use of your python API for controlling my microscopes
[20:18:13] <digshadow> a lot of examples in my git repo
[20:18:29] <digshadow> (this is for CNC mill spindle calibration though)
[20:19:55] <seb_kuzminsky> sounds neat
[20:19:59] <seb_kuzminsky> where's your git repo?
[20:20:24] <digshadow> https://github.com/JohnDMcMaster/uvscada/
[20:21:19] <digshadow> https://github.com/JohnDMcMaster/uvscada/blob/master/uvscada/cnc_hal/lcnc_ar.py
[20:21:25] <digshadow> probably one of the more interesting tidbits
[20:21:37] <digshadow> I iuse xmlrpc to operate machinekit BBB drones
[20:21:44] <digshadow> but set it up like a local linuxcnc import
[20:22:21] <digshadow> (could use some polishing but good enough for what I'm doing)
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[20:25:25] <digshadow> example:
https://github.com/JohnDMcMaster/uvscada/blob/master/scope/xray_plan_cli.py
[20:25:29] <digshadow> was used to make:
https://siliconpr0n.org/map/sony/pm-41_6p-172143S11-b3/55kvp_75map_e/
[20:27:00] <automata_> hi Seb, are there any packages available for the new 3.16.0-9-rtai kernel
[20:29:05] <t12> digshadow: awesome work
[20:29:59] <digshadow> t12: thanks
[20:30:17] <t12> seen these modern tiny dental xray systems?
[20:30:46] <t12> where they have you hold the sensor in your mouth and then have an handheld emitter that looks like a camera
[20:31:10] <digshadow> t12: its one of those
[20:31:11] <digshadow> http://uvicrec.blogspot.com/2015/08/xy-ray-x-ray-scanner.html
[20:32:11] <digshadow> t12: someone gave me a few and I reverse engineered the usb protocol to make a libusb driver
[20:33:04] <t12> nice gift! they're expensive
[20:33:14] <t12> i gotta find a dentists office where they broke the cable or something
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[20:37:14] <t12> do you know if anyone has/is using EELS for dopant determination?
[20:37:57] <t12> does it not even matter, and its obvious from structure anyway?
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[20:40:20] <digshadow> t12: I haven't done EELS myself (or much EM for that matter). When I've needed dopant stuff dash etch has been fine
[20:40:39] <digshadow> I think for fine stuff people have used scanning capacitance probes
[20:41:28] <digshadow> but to answer your question yeah usually you just assume
[20:42:07] <digshadow> dash etch gets used to extract mask ROMs where doping is invisible and matters
[20:42:45] <t12> dash etch == dopant selectice etching?
[20:43:00] <digshadow> yeah
[20:43:25] <digshadow> https://siliconpr0n.org/map/nintendo/pif/2013-07-07_rom_mit100x/
[20:43:34] <digshadow> for example was invisible before
[20:44:41] <digshadow> https://siliconpr0n.org/wiki/doku.php?id=delayer:dash
[20:44:42] <digshadow> more info
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[20:51:22] <t12> if it's of use, I have a spare ludl microscope stage + drivers
[20:51:32] <t12> though I've never actually operated it, ended up with it scrap
[20:51:54] <t12> needs some fairly simple db15 cables made, not sure what the control protocol is but its rs232 and findable i'm sure
[20:52:42] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/9m5rmjqs1qbzhe9/AAAo0HRybMd2mbO7rTTHUmdTa
[20:55:37] <digshadow> lets take to pm
[20:55:39] <t12> kk
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[20:57:57] <SpeedEvil> t12: digshadow are you aware of #homecmos?
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[20:59:48] <digshadow> SpeedEvil: yes, it was founded by my old housemate, azonenberg
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[21:01:31] <SpeedEvil> :)
[21:01:37] <SpeedEvil> just checking
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[21:17:26] <digshadow> seb_kuzminsky: to clarify, does your solution involve me editing .hal files?
[21:17:34] <digshadow> if thats the case it fundamentally isn't the solution I'm looking for
[21:17:56] <digshadow> (ideally anyway)
[21:18:26] <digshadow> I'm not seeing how I can make hal connections from python, only make components
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[21:24:22] <digshadow> I'm looking for code thats something like
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[21:25:06] <digshadow> import hal; hal.poll(); hal.getnet("spindle.fb-filtered-abs-rpm")
[21:25:28] <digshadow> I'm thinking with our conversation
[21:25:32] <digshadow> the result is that you simply cannot do that
[21:26:09] <digshadow> but the axis gui does something to that respect, so it may just be a misundrestanding
[21:26:19] <digshadow> I'll take a look at the halcmd source code
[21:26:37] <digshadow> pyvcp/axis gui is too hard to follow with its xml and tcl abstractions
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[21:34:23] <digshadow> so
[21:34:30] <digshadow> I think I have a workaround or good enough for my purposes
[21:34:37] <digshadow> I'll call halcmd literally from python
[21:34:44] <digshadow> and query halcmd gets spindle-fb-filtered-abs-rps
[21:35:01] <digshadow> since I'm not understanding how to do that from python directly
[21:36:46] <JT-Shop> this may or may not help
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/gui/index.html
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[21:42:52] <digshadow> JT-Shop: thanks that looks like a good reference. I think for now though I'm going to move on and use the command line
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[22:01:24] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:15:44] <PetefromTn_> man it is funny how when you go back and run a program that you have not run in awhile and you realize just how much you SUCKED at programming things back then LOL...
[22:16:24] <Tom_itx> you are better now????
[22:16:27] <Tom_itx> jk..
[22:16:39] <PetefromTn_> Apparently?
[22:16:51] <Tom_itx> i look at code i've written years back and damn i'm glad i comment code
[22:17:08] <PetefromTn_> its just the damn thing had so much air cutting and wasted stuff in it LOL
[22:17:15] <Tom_itx> yep
[22:17:15] <PetefromTn_> I edited the piss out of it
[22:17:30] <Tom_itx> gonna make production from it, you need to do that for sure
[22:17:30] <PetefromTn_> I will say I was a lot braver with the plunging tho ;)
[22:17:48] <PetefromTn_> its production....as much production as sales allow hehe
[22:18:22] <PetefromTn_> One of these days I will happen on something that there really is a LOT of need for and I won't know what to do with myself LOL
[22:18:50] <PetefromTn_> probably lie down in the fetal position and suck my thumb on the shop floor or something LOL
[22:19:05] <PetefromTn_> there is one problem tho
[22:19:21] <PetefromTn_> now that my coolant pump is flowing like a freaking fire hose....
[22:19:32] <PetefromTn_> the chip pans do not seem like they are able to drain fast enough
[22:20:00] <PetefromTn_> there was a LOT of coolant in the chip pans after this last part run and it took a couple minutes to fully drain down.
[22:20:18] <PetefromTn_> if the program was longer I would be doing some serious mopping out there in the shop I think...;)
[22:21:02] <Tom_itx> put some more holes in em
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[22:21:12] <PetefromTn_> I thought about it...
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[22:21:15] <PetefromTn_> might have to
[22:21:31] <PetefromTn_> I THINK they had a screen underneath the holes so would have to be careful...
[22:21:39] <Tom_itx> get some of that plate with 1/16" holes in it
[22:21:50] <Tom_itx> like screen only heavy
[22:22:31] <PetefromTn_> I think just some more holes would do the trick honestly
[22:22:35] <Tom_itx> http://www.homedepot.com/p/MD-Building-Products-36-in-x-36-in-Small-Hole-Aluminum-Sheet-in-Black-84327/205058566?cm_mmc=shopping-_-googleads-_-pla-_-205058566&ci_sku=205058566&ci_gpa=pla&ci_src=17588969&gclid=CMmQku6TtMkCFYOAaQod5UkG0g&gclsrc=aw.ds
[22:23:15] <Tom_itx> or similar
[22:23:16] <PetefromTn_> actually the chip trays are solid steel sheet
[22:23:28] <PetefromTn_> just have a bunch of holes in them in a pattern
[22:23:36] <PetefromTn_> and underneath those there is a screen
[22:23:44] <PetefromTn_> under that is the troughs
[22:23:48] <Tom_itx> we used that only steel around the pump
[22:23:51] <JT-Shop> door frame is fixed and now square
[22:24:12] <Tom_itx> now paint it before it rots
[22:24:25] <JT-Shop> gotta put the door in first lol
[22:24:29] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx I gotta tell ya man that I have been using your CNC stop tool suggestion on ALL of my production parts
[22:24:37] <PetefromTn_> it is the shiznit
[22:24:43] <PetefromTn_> the cats ass
[22:24:46] <Tom_itx> took a bit to get you hooked
[22:25:06] <PetefromTn_> sure is nice to setup on the part touching off only in Y and Z
[22:25:29] <PetefromTn_> I will use that technique whever possible from now on.
[22:26:22] <JT-Shop> what suggestion was that Tom_itx ?
[22:26:39] <Tom_itx> dowel pin as a tool to use for the X axis position
[22:26:48] <Tom_itx> add it to the gcode file as a tool
[22:27:00] <Tom_itx> with op stops to position the material
[22:27:02] * JT-Shop listens
[22:27:08] <JT-Shop> got it
[22:27:13] <Tom_itx> dowel comes down and stops
[22:27:25] <Tom_itx> you put the plate in and press 'go'
[22:27:32] <Tom_itx> dowel goes back up and stops again
[22:27:32] <PetefromTn_> I don't even bother coding it I just copy and paste it from program to program and just change the X offset
[22:27:44] <Tom_itx> so you can finish tightening the vise
[22:27:58] <JT-Shop> I usually just do that once then set a stop
[22:28:06] <PetefromTn_> even on a single part it speeds things up
[22:28:09] <JT-Shop> saves me a ton of time
[22:28:12] <Tom_itx> it ends up being quicker overall
[22:28:22] <Tom_itx> especially if you need to finish that end of the part
[22:28:28] <PetefromTn_> but on more than one it is a real time saver
[22:29:13] <JT-Shop> ok your talking about if you machine on the X sides and can't have a stop on the vise or otherwise
[22:29:14] <Tom_itx> but if you do finish that end of the part just remember to adjust for that in P2
[22:29:18] <PetefromTn_> whats nice too is if I have to make different parts
[22:29:29] <Tom_itx> yes
[22:29:35] <PetefromTn_> they all use the same setup now
[22:29:46] <PetefromTn_> so I just touch off Y and Z and I am going
[22:29:53] <Tom_itx> adjust P2 in your cad for whatever you trim off X0 in P1
[22:30:03] <PetefromTn_> most of the rails use 2" material so that is often not even necessary
[22:30:08] <JT-Shop> why do you touch off Y?
[22:30:23] <Tom_itx> i generally use the back of the vise for Y
[22:30:24] <PetefromTn_> like I said I often don't have to
[22:30:34] <Tom_itx> or a step in softjaws etc
[22:30:58] <PetefromTn_> most of my parts use 1x2 material so the G54 is usually in the right spot anyway
[22:31:22] <Tom_itx> good to check it every so often anyway
[22:31:38] <JT-Shop> I never have to touch off Y the front of the back jaw is Y0 but I can see your point if you make a soft jaw and don't know the offset
[22:31:46] <PetefromTn_> For instance
[22:31:53] <PetefromTn_> today I was machining some Steyr rails
[22:32:00] <PetefromTn_> but I have some orders for the FWB rails
[22:32:02] <JT-Shop> especially on my BP knee mill lol
[22:32:08] <PetefromTn_> both use the same material
[22:32:27] <PetefromTn_> so I just made the first part and the next part is the same Y and Z
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[22:32:40] <PetefromTn_> and the X stop tells me where to put the block
[22:32:47] <PetefromTn_> even tho they are different parts
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[22:33:23] <Tom_itx> and since we always had a dowelpin in the carousel we used that to set the Z0 fixture offsets
[22:33:55] <PetefromTn_> I am using my spot drill for the stop
[22:34:49] <Tom_itx> need to get after this SW this evening..
[22:35:04] <JT-Shop> crap I have 3 orders to fill...
[22:35:22] <Tom_itx> bitchin about making money... i swear
[22:35:23] <JT-Shop> did you want me to look at the assembly in the morning?
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[22:35:32] <Tom_itx> i got it working
[22:35:43] <Tom_itx> the sub doesn't work right but i'm not using that now
[22:35:47] <JT-Shop> I don't make much at Spyder parts lol
[22:36:03] <Tom_itx> keeps you outta the bars though
[22:36:16] <JT-Shop> lol yea for sure
[22:36:35] <Tom_itx> i did ok with my programmers
[22:36:38] <Tom_itx> it was fun
[22:37:20] <Tom_itx> good to know some companies are using them in production
[22:37:36] <Tom_itx> not just hobbyists
[22:37:38] <JT-Shop> yea, I do the Spyder parts to keep me busy... I must be nuts
[22:37:55] <Tom_itx> if i had a decent mill i'd be doing the same thing
[22:38:18] <Tom_itx> i can nearly guarantee it would pay for itself
[22:38:52] <PetefromTn_> if you have a good product is sure as hell will pay for itself ;)
[22:38:57] <Tom_itx> makes me feel better about the hobby not being a money pit
[22:39:20] <PetefromTn_> Oh its a money pit hehe
[22:39:33] <Tom_itx> the programmers paid for my scope, logic analiser and a few other toys
[22:39:44] <JT-Shop> yea I got rid of my two floating money pits
[22:40:06] <JT-Shop> the motorcycles don't cost as much to enjoy as boats
[22:40:25] <Tom_itx> i'm considering taking the same CATIA classes my kid is taking
[22:40:37] <PetefromTn_> I have been thinking of getting my family a bunch of nice fishing kayaks for christmas....possibly
[22:41:06] <PetefromTn_> there are TONS of places to cruise around on a canoe or kayak around here
[22:41:10] <JT-Shop> kayaks can be fun, do you have lots of places to go
[22:41:20] <PetefromTn_> oh hell yeah
[22:41:21] <JT-Shop> nice, we have several places
[22:41:27] <PetefromTn_> there are lakes and rivers everywhere around here
[22:42:13] <Tom_itx> i bet if i did the catia someone would offer me a job doing it
[22:42:16] <PetefromTn_> we were in Dicks sporting goods the other day buying my wife her new Running shoes and I could not help myself but to go look at em
[22:42:17] <JT-Shop> my neighbor took us canoing years ago and when we didn't fall in he said we are no fun
[22:42:22] <Tom_itx> i'm not even looking for one...
[22:43:09] <Tom_itx> years ago i worked on the canoe line at coleman
[22:43:22] <Tom_itx> nearly forgot those days
[22:43:29] <PetefromTn_> I love canoes
[22:43:33] <PetefromTn_> had a couple
[22:43:52] <Tom_itx> that's where the kid got his hand caught in the clamps headed for the bake oven
[22:43:58] <PetefromTn_> but my kids and my wife and I took a rented canoe ride this past summer and had a lot of fun in it...
[22:44:32] <Tom_itx> lost 3 fingers but he's alive
[22:44:44] <PetefromTn_> so ever since that good time I have been thinking of getting either a pair of like 16 foot canoes or a couple three sit on top fishing style kayaks
[22:45:35] <Tom_itx> kayaks seem like they'd be more fun
[22:46:06] <digshadow> https://github.com/JohnDMcMaster/uvscada/blob/master/lcnc/spincal.py
[22:46:12] <digshadow> plotting:
https://github.com/JohnDMcMaster/uvscada/blob/master/lcnc/spincal_plt.py
[22:46:21] <digshadow> to give this:
https://siliconpr0n.org/wiki/lib/exe/detail.php?id=mcmaster%3Auv2000cnc&media=mcmaster:uv2000cnc:spincal.png
[22:46:24] <digshadow> pretty linear
[22:46:41] <PetefromTn_> I kind of agree
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[22:46:59] <PetefromTn_> just think maybe my youngest is a bit too small for her own yet.
[22:47:07] <PetefromTn_> might have to get a tandem
[22:47:14] <PetefromTn_> and either two singles
[22:47:17] <PetefromTn_> or another tandem
[22:47:36] <PetefromTn_> still gotta run it by Dacia tho ;)
[22:49:48] <JT-Shop> I just show up with stuff, Nelida came home from work one day and met me in the shop. I said there is blue spyder in the garage, she said is it alive?
[22:50:33] <PetefromTn_> I don't
[22:50:50] <PetefromTn_> at least I try to make sure we both agree on at least big purchases
[22:51:22] <JT-Shop> that's always a good plan
[22:51:24] <PetefromTn_> she's pretty cool with all my BS so I try to be cool with her too LOL. She works hard too...
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[23:08:12] <duc> Evening all
[23:08:49] <PetefromTn_> evening
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[23:10:30] <duc> PetefromTn_: the company in Hong Kong is sending new cables at no charge and I don't need to send the old ones back
[23:11:29] <PetefromTn_> refresh my memory I don't recall what you are talking about
[23:13:21] <duc> I was sent the wrong size motor connectors for the yaskawa drives. Thought I would have to send them back
[23:13:23] <PetefromTn_> but sounds like you are getting taken care of so thats good LOL
[23:13:45] <PetefromTn_> Oh thats right
[23:13:50] <PetefromTn_> good news
[23:14:13] <duc> We will see if he gets it right this time. Lol
[23:15:01] <PetefromTn_> that would be nice
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[23:16:31] <duc> I may have spare 150 to 600 yaskawa motor cables
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[23:23:22] * JT-Shop cranks up another brick in the wall :)
[23:24:54] <JT-Shop> wow my neighbor gave me a sack of elk meat
[23:25:24] <_methods> call the police
[23:25:25] <Tom_itx> nice
[23:25:29] <_methods> board up your windows
[23:25:40] <JT-Shop> mmmm Forestière
http://gnipsel.com/recipes/game/forestiere.html
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[23:26:44] <PetefromTn_> damn looks like we will have to eat Snow Crab claw clusters and Fettucine alfredo tonight ;)
[23:26:59] <JT-Shop> damn that sucks
[23:27:14] <PetefromTn_> I know...I will try to endure
[23:27:37] <JT-Shop> just keep a stiff upper lip man
[23:27:39] <PetefromTn_> honestly we got a great deal on them at our new Super Kroger market
[23:28:00] <PetefromTn_> they had a big box of I think 5 lbs for $24.00
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[23:28:15] <JT-Shop> they just got done remodeling ours and snow crab is $7 a pount
[23:28:16] <JT-Shop> d
[23:28:19] <PetefromTn_> its been in there for awhile
[23:28:41] <PetefromTn_> I remember down in Florida years ago we had an Albertsons grocery store
[23:28:57] <PetefromTn_> and they would often have Snow Crab on sale for like $3.50 a pound
[23:29:19] <PetefromTn_> we would buy a shit load and pig out on it with drawn butter
[23:29:29] <PetefromTn_> DAMN it was good.
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[23:30:10] <PetefromTn_> they used to sell breakstones whipped butter and when you melt it down it is PERFECT for dipping but they do not sell that here. Just Land O lakes or store brand
[23:31:41] <JT-Shop> http://www.amazon.com/BREAKSTONES-BUTTER-SALTED-NATURAL-WHIPPED/dp/B00XUAZM50/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1448753477&sr=8-1&keywords=breakstones+whipped+butter
[23:31:46] <JT-Shop> kinda pricy
[23:32:00] <enleth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz0p-iJMsbo - there it goes, first real cut after QC locknut replacement, now I can actually start working on converting the machine to LinuxCNC
[23:32:20] * JT-Shop wanders inside goodnight
[23:32:22] <enleth> and adjusting the gibs
[23:34:05] <PetefromTn_> wow that is pricey LOL
[23:34:23] <Tom_itx> man i need to get a set of radius gages
[23:36:06] <PetefromTn_> enleth that looks like a nice machine
[23:36:24] <PetefromTn_> what kind of quick change tooling is that?
[23:37:43] <enleth> PetefromTn_: Erickson QuickChange, ISO/NMTB 30 taper
[23:37:55] <PetefromTn_> ah okay
[23:38:11] <PetefromTn_> I have a neighbor who has a CNC EDM shop that has almost that identical machine
[23:38:16] <enleth> the innards of the locknut were worn off beyond all repair, so I had a replacement made locally, it works perfectly
[23:38:28] <PetefromTn_> he wanted me to retrofit it for him in exchange for an already CNC'd knee mill
[23:39:08] <PetefromTn_> I almost did it but then I got my Cinci and spent the time retrofitting it instead. It sure is a heavy duty knee mill tho.
[23:39:31] <enleth> Well this particular model is rather unique for a Bridgeport - it was redesigned completely as a CNC machine, it's not a retrofit
[23:40:07] <PetefromTn_> actually MOST that I have seen like that were born CNC
[23:40:11] <enleth> For starters, the X axis motor hangs off the saddle, not the table
[23:40:27] <enleth> The table screw is stationary and the ball nut rotates
[23:40:28] <PetefromTn_> the one he has was a CNC
[23:40:42] <PetefromTn_> it was just a blown control
[23:40:50] <enleth> Ah, OK
[23:41:32] <enleth> Does it have handwheels too?
[23:41:36] <PetefromTn_> there seem to be a lot of machines like that around here
[23:41:47] <PetefromTn_> I don't remember
[23:41:53] <PetefromTn_> but I don't think it did
[23:42:07] <PetefromTn_> as far as I know it is still sitting in his barn
[23:43:09] <PetefromTn_> He also had a series 2 machine that is a good bit larger/heavier but it was kinda rusty/looking like it was left outside for awhile.
[23:43:30] <enleth> I was really lucky to get the MDI version, the controls are quite primitive (one servo drive, no diagonals or arcs) but the iron is the same as full CNC models *and* it has axis brakes and handwheels engaged on demand, with safety circuits and all.
[23:43:52] <PetefromTn_> sweet
[23:44:07] <enleth> It would be much hardrer to add safely operated handwheels to a full-blown CNC model than the other way around.
[23:44:26] <andypugh> I like your swrup square
[23:44:26] <enleth> And it would still be an ancient control that needs replacement.
[23:44:42] <andypugh> Err, that was meant to be “setup square”
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[23:45:05] <enleth> That's like the most basic engineer's square ever
[23:45:06] <PetefromTn_> the only CNC machine I ever used that was commercial in nature that had handwheels was that HAAS TL1 lathe.
[23:45:20] <PetefromTn_> and of course the prototraks have them too
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[23:45:52] <andypugh> enleth: It’s not a pattern of square I am familair with, but it seems to work well with T-slots.
[23:46:21] <enleth> andypugh: it's actually meant to stand upright on the base, but the "top" surface is also ground, so it can be used like this
[23:48:35] <enleth> PetefromTn_: well, this machine is now going to be a training/prototyping setup so it's a perfect match for the task
[23:49:05] <enleth> I don't think it will ever see commercial production again, unless I decide to sell it to buy something better
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[23:49:23] <enleth> But there were so few hybrid CNC/manual mills ever made that it's unlikely
[23:49:26] <PetefromTn_> sounds good man
[23:49:33] <PetefromTn_> it is in a hackerspace then?
[23:49:36] <enleth> Yep.
[23:49:40] <PetefromTn_> sweet
[23:49:59] <PetefromTn_> I would be curious to see how you implement the handles into the linuxCNC control
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[23:50:54] <enleth> I'm not sure I will, at least not directly - the handwheel safety is implemented in relay logic and I'm keeping that
[23:51:08] <andypugh> My Mill is potentially manual as well as CNC. I just need to put the handle in the Y to operate it manually and release a lock on the Z.
[23:51:26] <enleth> As long as any handwheel is engaged, the servo drive cannot be energized
[23:51:46] <enleth> If I hook up the new servo drives at the same spot, it will still work
[23:51:53] <PetefromTn_> the HAAS lathe actually has encoders on the handwheels and it works like a CNC manual
[23:52:00] <andypugh> But I am not going to bother with the lathe. I have manual ability on the other lathe, and I have never, ever, used it.
[23:52:44] <PetefromTn_> andypugh I agree once you have CNC MPG and MDI control its not really necessary anymore is it
[23:53:01] <andypugh> The Bridgeport at work has some interesting handles. The handwheels engage if you twist the handle part. Pretty clever, because you naturally do when operating them.
[23:53:15] <enleth> andypugh: my personal opinion is that a training machine must have a manual capability witch mechanically coupled handwheels - to feel the resistance and vibration
[23:53:32] <andypugh> enleth: Aye, I can see that
[23:53:32] <enleth> It's a valuable feedback when you're still learning
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[23:54:18] <jthornton> I always said if you need a hammer put your hand between the hammer and the hammerie so you can get a good feel for the amount of hammering
[23:54:19] <PetefromTn_> enleth I agree but I would usually just have newbies learn on a purely manual machine
[23:54:46] <enleth> PetefromTn_: if you have two, sure
[23:55:21] <enleth> The only unusual thing about this one when working manually is the ballscrew/brake/clutch setup
[23:56:42] <enleth> You can engage both X and Y handwheels at the same time but it's a bad idea - those screws really do feed backwards and you can't really control small amplitude vibration by holding onto the handwheel
[23:57:08] <enleth> It shows on the milled sufaces, almost like chatter
[23:57:13] <PetefromTn_> I would imagine with ballscrews it would be hard to control the cut without it
[23:58:07] <enleth> So the way you do it now, is to operate one handwheel at a time, then pull it out to disengage the clutch and re-engage the brake, then engage the other axis handwheel
[23:58:24] <enleth> That way you get clean cuts, but it's a little bit tedious
[23:58:58] <PetefromTn_> interesting
[23:59:18] <enleth> So I have to add brake override switches by the handwheels, to force the brake *closed* even with the respective handwheel engaged
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[23:59:42] <enleth> Fortunately, the wiring and logic allows for this modification without compromising safety
