#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-11-27

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[01:01:35] <andypugh> Quiet night. Are the US folks all all overdosed on turkey?
[01:02:35] <zeeshan> |>:)
[01:02:45] <zeeshan> i got a kitten
[01:02:49] <zeeshan> playing around with her
[01:02:53] <_methods> i'm just coming out of my food coma
[01:02:55] <zeeshan> my adult cat is pissed
[01:03:02] <CaptHindsight> gobble gobble
[01:04:42] <CaptHindsight> just got back from dinner #1, dinner #2 starts in a bit
[01:04:50] <andypugh> I now have 3 gear quadrants made. It’s a pity I couldn’t make them all at the same time, but the centres overlap…
[01:07:04] <_methods> my dog is so tired from all the beggin he did today he hasn't moved for like 5 hours
[01:08:31] <malcom2073> kitten eh? Not really a traditional thanksgiving food, but you canadians are odd
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[03:47:17] <automata__> any idea where I can find packages for the new 3.16.0-9-rtai kernel
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[06:09:39] <XXCoder> good thankgiving everyone
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[11:38:31] <XXCoder> lol http://makezine.com/2015/11/26/dont-miss-digifab-black-friday-deals/
[11:38:38] <XXCoder> lets see if anythings good :P
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[11:56:08] <ReadError> openbuilds has some decent discounts
[11:56:18] <ReadError> if you needed anything from there for some reason
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[12:06:38] <MattyMatt> buy some black slideway on black friday
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[12:13:41] <enleth> finally, the new qc30 locknut arrived http://i.imgur.com/mLJtXa7.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ltPRAjt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/i2Hcpm1.jpg
[12:13:51] <enleth> or rather, the locknut's guts
[12:14:01] <enleth> the nut itself stays the same
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[12:16:07] <enleth> it took some time, the guy screwed it up on the first try and had to start from scratch, but in the end it cost me $50 instead of $250
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[12:35:09] <Tom_itx> 28�F
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[12:36:53] <Sync> Tom_itx: mewant
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[13:56:02] <jthornton> morning
[13:56:21] <skunkworks> morning. happy post-thanksgiving.
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[14:06:02] <vapula> so many dead turkeys...
[14:08:32] <zeeshan> morning
[14:10:06] <_methods> they died for a good cause
[14:11:22] <vapula> and were surely actually born for the same :)
[14:13:01] <enleth> to buy lots of crap on overhyped commercial holidays? sounds about right.
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[14:13:30] <zeeshan> any black friday deals on computer stuff? :D
[14:13:34] <enleth> *get people to buy
[14:13:36] <enleth> derp
[14:13:40] <zeeshan> jthorton?!?!
[14:13:40] <jthornton> we ate elk yesterday
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[14:15:50] <jthornton> zeeee
[14:17:09] <malcom2073> is axis features in the latest 2.7 download yet?
[14:18:46] <archivist> that will be in 2.8 as far as I know
[14:19:23] <malcom2073> Aw heh ok
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[14:20:09] <archivist> so be brave and be an early tester :)
[14:20:31] <malcom2073> Is there an iso download floating around somewhere?
[14:20:45] <malcom2073> If I'm gonna update my machine from 8.04, might as well go all the way
[14:21:04] <archivist> would be on the buildbot if anywhere
[14:21:50] <malcom2073> And where would that be?
[14:22:41] <archivist> I googled for you :) http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[14:23:09] <malcom2073> Psh, I was browsing around linuxcnc.org, couldn't find it there, hadn't made it to google yet :P
[14:23:39] <malcom2073> Thanks though
[14:23:57] <archivist> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/waterfall
[14:24:09] <malcom2073> Hmm, so I assume I can install 2.7, then use those repos to update?
[14:25:16] <malcom2073> Well I kicked off a 2.7 download, be back in a few hours when it's done heh
[14:27:01] <zeeshan> i dunno i tried features
[14:27:04] <zeeshan> and its buggy
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[14:27:18] <zeeshan> i kept getting xy plane errors
[14:27:18] <zeeshan> when i try to do a simple bolt pattern
[14:27:25] <zeeshan> there isn't much documentation for it..
[14:27:35] <zeeshan> but it looks like its got GREAT potential
[14:27:42] <zeeshan> to put that tormach gui to shame
[14:27:50] <zeeshan> tormach conversational that is
[14:28:03] <zeeshan> i like how you can even do circular slots
[14:29:03] <malcom2073> I really liked ngcgui, so I figured it's worth a shot
[14:32:15] <zeeshan> is there a 2.8 beta?
[14:32:22] <zeeshan> w/ features installed in it
[14:32:53] <malcom2073> Apparently on the build bot
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[14:34:41] <malcom2073> I'll let you know in... an hour and 15 minutes :P
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[15:01:58] <zeeshan> zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[15:02:02] <zeeshan> need friday to be done!
[15:07:32] <laurent\> it's almost done
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[15:42:30] <malcom2073> Woohoo done downloading
[15:49:44] <malcom2073> huh
[15:49:51] <malcom2073> looks like the master version in the buildbot is still 2.7?
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[15:55:19] <archivist> malcom2073, someone just noticed a cockup while you were downloading :(
[15:55:49] <malcom2073> Heh
[15:56:03] <malcom2073> So what, it got rolled back?
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[15:57:04] <archivist> so 2.7 ended up with stuff destined for master
[15:57:36] <malcom2073> I mean I added master-rtpreempt to my apt sources
[15:58:16] <archivist> http://sourceforge.net/p/emc/mailman/emc-developers/
[16:00:00] <malcom2073> Heh fun
[16:00:19] <malcom2073> So master hasn't been getting any updates because they've been in the wrong place, or what?
[16:00:48] <malcom2073> Trying to understand what I did wrong so as to still be on 2.7 :P
[16:01:02] <malcom2073> or rather to cause me to be still
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[16:01:11] <archivist> I dunno!
[16:01:23] <archivist> wernt me guv
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[16:02:26] <malcom2073> You're the one who told me the buildbot had 2.8 :P
[16:03:34] <archivist> I deny all knowledge :)
[16:03:40] <malcom2073> mhmm I see how ya are heh
[16:04:12] <malcom2073> Aaaanywho, I'll stick to 8.04 then until that's sorted heh
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[16:31:51] <zeeshan> YOUR HOUR IS UP
[16:31:57] <zeeshan> er caps
[16:32:51] <malcom2073> Who's hour?
[16:32:59] <malcom2073> Oh, nope
[16:33:04] <malcom2073> The answer seems to be: No
[16:33:21] <malcom2073> But may actually be: someone screwed up the repos and/or buildbot? Not sure
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[16:42:22] <CaptHindsight> since the was a git problem that was fixed an hour or two ago I'd probably make sure to have the most recent versions from the last hour
[16:44:14] <zeeshan> what is build bot
[16:44:16] <zeeshan> who is this guy
[16:44:20] <zeeshan> and what is he building
[16:44:59] <archivist> it is a bot doing the test builds
[16:45:34] <zeeshan> so basically after anyone makes a change
[16:45:40] <zeeshan> it tries to build the latest beta?
[16:45:45] <archivist> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
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[16:47:50] <zeeshan> ah
[16:47:51] <zeeshan> :D
[16:49:02] <JT-Shop> you can also get debs built by buildbot
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[17:04:31] <Jymmm> YAY Black Friday... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7klNQyyLpiA
[17:06:41] <CaptHindsight> see if the kid woulda hada shootin iron he cuda got the toy back
[17:08:28] <Jymmm> lol, yep
[17:08:35] <CaptHindsight> looks staged like another Kimmel video
[17:09:02] <Jymmm> dont know, dont really care, just funny
[17:09:10] <CaptHindsight> yeah
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[17:09:38] <Jymmm> too much drama for me
[17:10:23] <CaptHindsight> I stopped at a Walmart last night, it was already crazy
[17:11:39] <CaptHindsight> can't imagine the carnage going on right now
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[17:52:52] <Jymmm> He needs a $20 come-along... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJTtA3_xPo4
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[17:56:00] <Jymmm> Hmmm, military vehicle anyone??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MuwucY3KSWk#t=323
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[18:11:36] <malcom2073> Sliding friction can't overcome static? Say it ain't so!
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[18:13:05] <archivist> depends on the value of said frictions
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[18:14:09] <archivist> eg the statich friction of ice v the sliding friction of a brake disc
[18:14:12] <slide> Anyone happen to use Fusion 360 or know of a channel I can find people who do? heh
[18:15:35] <malcom2073> Some people here have used it, Doesn't 360 have a forum?
[18:15:53] <slide> irc > forums
[18:16:15] <malcom2073> Only in response time, and sometimes not even then ;)
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[18:17:29] <slide> ok well I do have a generic cnc type question i suppose. When setting my home position, should my bit be all the way over the wood or should the center of the bit be exactly over the corner (0,0) ?
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[18:18:46] <malcom2073> center over the corner typically
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[18:19:47] <slide> ah ok
[18:19:50] <maxcnc> slide: look at G42 G42 you might like
[18:20:03] <maxcnc> this is the tool Radius ofset work for cnc
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[18:20:43] <slide> Cutter compensation? G41 G42 ?
[18:21:08] <maxcnc> slide: home position is noemaly called workpice ofset
[18:22:56] <maxcnc> you dont need to ofset your workpice DXF lines to get the tool beside it the mashine does that on its own
[18:24:06] <maxcnc> slide: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/
[18:24:23] <maxcnc> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/tool-compensation.html
[18:24:29] <slide> thanks
[18:24:56] <maxcnc> see examples 3.2
[18:25:19] <anomynous_> what are you making slide
[18:25:30] <maxcnc> so your g-code code reads the same meserments as the drawing
[18:25:56] <slide> anomynous_, well, I just got this machine a few weeks ago so i'm taking it slowly right now. Currently making some wooden ornaments.
[18:26:23] <anomynous_> what kind? Take a pic
[18:26:50] <maxcnc> goal is to rouph fine and mesurepath with the same g-code only tooltabel diameter changes
[18:27:21] <maxcnc> as yoiu see you can do this settings also within the g-code G10
[18:27:27] <slide> anomynous_, https://img1.etsystatic.com/123/0/12079547/il_570xN.876149005_i904.jpg
[18:27:44] <anomynous_> its nice :)
[18:27:59] <maxcnc> nice only 2D or 3d
[18:28:11] <slide> maxcnc, yea im just learning how to do a rough and finishing cut in 360, it is definitely making the final edges much more polished
[18:28:17] <slide> anomynous_, thanks :)
[18:28:35] <slide> im learning 3d heh
[18:28:42] <slide> i don't have any designs yet to cut out though
[18:28:47] <maxcnc> 2D just cutting
[18:29:04] <anomynous_> i think theres cutters which have rising and descenting helix in them. I wonder they would leave good edge finish in wood ;D
[18:29:15] <maxcnc> you can go from picture via gimp and inkskape to qcad to cnc all free stuff
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[18:29:37] <maxcnc> sli you only need a picture
[18:29:57] <slide> well, giving them actual depth would be the biggest issue
[18:30:09] <maxcnc> slide where are you located in the world
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[18:30:35] <slide> US
[18:30:47] <maxcnc> slide: no need on that
[18:31:11] <maxcnc> ok im in europ
[18:31:40] <maxcnc> so we are on different mesurments and best for you istto talk to a nativ english person on that
[18:32:06] <slide> ah
[18:32:21] <malcom2073> anomynous_: rpms matter when it comes to wood finish
[18:32:34] <slide> my only problem im having right now is that once the machine has finished cutting and returns "home", it actually returns a bit below home and cuts into the wood
[18:33:43] <slide> im assuming that is this command "G28 G91 X0 Y0" (not sure why its going below 0,0,0 though)
[18:33:55] <anomynous_> malcom2073, enough to make it a bit dark? ;
[18:33:56] <anomynous_> ;D
[18:34:03] <maxcnc> bad cam settings
[18:34:06] <malcom2073> anomynous_: :P
[18:34:32] <anomynous_> what kind of cutting speeds are used in wood?
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[18:35:03] <maxcnc> 360 settings can be end of file costem made
[18:35:24] <Jymmm> archivist: I used 18-25K
[18:35:27] <maxcnc> anomynous_: depends on mashine up to 40m/min
[18:35:34] <Jymmm> err anomynous_
[18:35:37] <maxcnc> usely i use 5000mm/min
[18:35:50] <anomynous_> maxcnc, on carbide?
[18:35:55] <maxcnc> 200inch/min
[18:36:35] <maxcnc> no HSS is better for wood
[18:36:48] <anomynous_> really... i heard carbide outlasts hss by a lot because wood is abrasive
[18:37:18] <maxcnc> i dont know what thst is in english
[18:37:31] <anomynous_> like... wood sucks all the minerals from the ground when it is alive
[18:37:40] <anomynous_> and those act like grinding sand
[18:37:42] <Jymmm> anomynous_: Do you need a nice surface finish?
[18:37:48] <Jymmm> on the wood
[18:37:51] <maxcnc> but carbide is not god without water
[18:37:52] <anomynous_> no im just curious
[18:37:58] <Jymmm> anomynous_: http://www.amazon.com/CMT-191-008-11-Carbide-Spiral-Diameter/dp/B000P4HOEQ
[18:38:00] <anomynous_> why not?
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[18:38:05] <maxcnc> and water on wood is also not good
[18:38:07] <maxcnc> so flooding air might help
[18:38:18] <anomynous_> why dont you just run it slower?
[18:38:43] <anomynous_> i mean... isnt there carbide cutters specifically for wood
[18:38:52] <Jymmm> anomynous_: I really like CMT router bits
[18:38:59] <anomynous_> Jymmm, what are those?
[18:39:12] <Jymmm> anomynous_: spiral upcut router bit
[18:39:29] <Jymmm> if you need a nice surface, use downcut instead
[18:39:40] <Jymmm> but it fills the grooves with sawdust
[18:39:56] <Jymmm> not a big deal, just somethign to be aware of
[18:42:12] <Jymmm> It also depends on the sepcies of wood, it's grain, etc.
[18:42:19] <Jymmm> species*
[18:43:08] <malcom2073> Hmm, I think I like cambam
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[18:49:45] <anomynous_> http://www.carbideprocessors.com/router-bits/spiral-flute-router-bits/compression-1-flute-router-bits/ this has those things with rising and descending helix in one bit.
[18:57:18] <anomynous_> I wonder if anyone has used custom made endmills with chamfer embedded ;D That would be useless, funny and expensive.
[18:57:40] <malcom2073> Crazy
[18:57:53] <anomynous_> well, theres drills with embedded chamfer
[18:57:54] <anomynous_> ;D
[18:58:08] <anomynous_> and threading tools which make chamfer
[19:01:12] <anomynous_> maybe i should go to sleep, but someone should invent an insert drill with embedded chamfer with offsetting insert to make back chamfer :u That would be super cool
[19:01:50] <anomynous_> i could work with batteries
[19:02:38] <rob_h> why not just use a back chamfering tool already there and made
[19:02:38] <anomynous_> market it as ninja-drill. Chamfers your workpiece before you even see it.
[19:03:23] <anomynous_> rob_h, save toolchange time ofc ;D
[19:03:34] <maxcnc> malcom2073: did you test the new heeks debian source
[19:03:45] <rob_h> get a quicker machine ;)
[19:03:56] <anomynous_> i cant. i dont have money
[19:04:16] <malcom2073> Negative, is it still under development? COuld only find the archived google code repo
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[19:06:07] <maxcnc> malcom2073: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:neomilium/heekscnc-devel
[19:06:16] <maxcnc> sudo apt-get update
[19:06:23] <maxcnc> sudo apt-get install heekscnc
[19:06:26] <maxcnc> Done
[19:06:33] <maxcnc> full CAM
[19:06:47] <maxcnc> Supported versions: Lucid (10.04 LTS), Precise (12.04 LTS), Saucy (13.10), Trusty (14.04 LTS), Utopic (14.10).
[19:06:51] <malcom2073> maxcnc: Where is their repo now?
[19:07:01] <malcom2073> And I'll have to get a VM of ubuntu running and give that a shot
[19:07:37] <maxcnc> some people here do that on there own as it has been opend
[19:08:02] <anomynous_> Jymmm, how do you like carbide vs hss in wood? How long does it last and is it faster?
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[19:08:49] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, you tried features??
[19:08:49] <malcom2073> maxcnc: So... where is the repo it's built off of?
[19:08:51] <maxcnc> anomynous_: 2 edges are mutch better then 3
[19:09:05] <maxcnc> malcom2073: i dont know
[19:09:36] <malcom2073> Oh I misread one of your previous replies. I was wondering if it was still under active development
[19:10:02] <anomynous_> maxcnc, how much do you feed per tooth in wood?
[19:10:03] <maxcnc> it is but on privad dev
[19:10:17] <malcom2073> Ah
[19:10:22] <malcom2073> That's a shame
[19:10:34] <maxcnc> anomynous_: at 1inch depth 0.2mm
[19:10:51] <maxcnc> ballcutter 15mm
[19:13:15] <maxcnc> Gn8 im off :-(
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[19:14:20] <anomynous_> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SXCL948?psc=1 Oh yea, costs a lot and is made of some really soft stuff
[19:14:48] <anomynous_> whhhaaaat
[19:14:54] <malcom2073> Man, I'm gonna go down to the garage and run this gcode, this all seems too easy
[19:15:02] <anomynous_> no. what what.
[19:15:05] <anomynous_> carbide?
[19:15:10] <anomynous_> whats that hrc mean then
[19:15:17] <anomynous_> aaaa
[19:15:25] <anomynous_> it is meant to cut rockwells
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[19:32:51] <FinboySlick> Interesting. That endmill is in the 'taper pins' category. Is it really so poorly made that it is tapered and only usable as a pin?
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[19:40:16] <jthornton> yea, Axis running on LinuxMint Mate
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[19:44:12] <jthornton> menu is messed up but other than that it's all good
[19:55:27] <anomynous_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGKeFyLG7aY
[19:58:09] <malcom2073> Smart in space, no need to push hardon the drill
[19:58:18] <malcom2073> Or rotate fast
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[19:59:10] <anomynous_> expensive for heavy duty construction applications
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[20:04:51] <malcom2073> Woohoo, I'm milling wood!
[20:05:02] <anomynous_> congrats malcom2073
[20:05:26] <malcom2073> I really like cambam, so much that if I can get 3d working I may actually buy it
[20:07:00] <anomynous_> send us a vid of chips
[20:07:52] <malcom2073> flakes
[20:07:55] <malcom2073> heh
[20:09:10] <malcom2073> yeah it's nothing good
[20:09:14] <anomynous_> nope. They're chips ;)
[20:09:17] <malcom2073> my mill doesn't cut fast enogh to cut wood cleanly :P
[20:09:25] <malcom2073> it'll look good once I sand it down though
[20:10:44] <malcom2073> uploading to youtube
[20:10:45] <malcom2073> heh
[20:10:51] <malcom2073> be like, 10 minutess
[20:13:17] <malcom2073> I need to learn how to do actual youtube stuff, I want to have a channel that is actually useful
[20:13:36] <malcom2073> I think the big thing would be to set up and take video of the whole process and then start tinkering with editing
[20:14:42] <anomynous_> do two channels. One is the dump channel where you post stuff. The other is the channel where you put edited stuff.
[20:14:54] <malcom2073> Not a bad idea
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[20:16:14] <malcom2073> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6QRolHJqj4
[20:16:58] <malcom2073> anomynous_: ^
[20:20:13] <anomynous_> great ;D it works.
[20:20:20] <PetefromTn_> pine is never the best choice LOL
[20:20:40] <PetefromTn_> but congrats anyways
[20:20:45] <PetefromTn_> :D
[20:21:09] <malcom2073> Hehe, it's an oily 2/4 even
[20:21:17] <malcom2073> That 2/x4helped me move the mill into the garage :-D
[20:21:32] <malcom2073> I just was curious how fast I could go from concept to finish using cambam, and damn if it isn't fast
[20:21:54] <malcom2073> This is a nameplate, I'm going to do a 3d one in aluminum, with the letters smoothed rather than just cut out
[20:21:57] <malcom2073> Next
[20:22:40] <PetefromTn_> cambam is better than a lot give it vredit for it will never be mastercam but its only 200 bucks or so
[20:22:48] <malcom2073> Yeah, $150
[20:22:59] <malcom2073> Thus far I'm impressed enough I've got approval from the wife to buy it, and I almost never buy software
[20:23:29] <malcom2073> Doesn't look like my old laptop is powerful enough to do 3d toolpaths though
[20:23:35] <malcom2073> I let it sit for a half hour, never returned
[20:23:54] <PetefromTn_> that cloud based fusion is probably better tho but i have not tried it
[20:24:09] <malcom2073> It's free to try iirc for the first year, I should give that a shot sometime
[20:24:30] <PetefromTn_> its free for hobby and startups
[20:24:42] <malcom2073> Only for a year, at least when I last looked at it
[20:25:19] * malcom2073 googles
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[20:26:29] <malcom2073> Ah they changed it
[20:26:34] <malcom2073> it's now a free license for 3 years
[20:26:37] <malcom2073> then free renewal
[20:26:46] <malcom2073> I guess so if they decide to cancel it, they only have to wait 3 years heh
[20:26:54] <malcom2073> Ahhhh If you're a student
[20:27:12] <malcom2073> Free for hobbiest on a yearly renewal (Free)
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[20:27:19] <malcom2073> You're right, my bad :)
[20:27:55] <PetefromTn_> yup and what liittle I saw of it is pretty powerful
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[20:30:18] <rob_h> is that like HSM is that still free? i know u needed solidworks
[20:31:02] <PetefromTn_> its similar apparently but you dont need solidworks
[20:31:38] <rob_h> i know alot of small shops that use onecnc as its pritty cheap
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[20:32:43] <malcom2073> I lost access to solidworks though :/
[20:32:55] <malcom2073> I had it through work, but had to give up my seat when they hired a mechie who needed it lol
[20:33:56] <PetefromTn_> I don't do a lot of 3d stuff but I use Freecad, it is NOT solidworks but it is decent and getting better with each new release.
[20:34:00] <rob_h> guess depends what your doing realy tho to what you need
[20:34:27] <PetefromTn_> the fusion 360 has solid modeling as well as the CAM apparently
[20:34:31] <rob_h> and not many are very good at turning they kinda look at you odly when you ask about turning cam
[20:34:51] <PetefromTn_> this is very true
[20:35:20] <PetefromTn_> CamBam has some simple lathe cam stuff in it but I have yet to play with it. Once my CNC lathe is operational I will see what works for me then.
[20:35:28] <malcom2073> Yeah I've been trying out freecad as a replacement heh
[20:35:40] <anomynous_> rob_h, turning is supposedly so easy anyway without a cam
[20:35:58] <PetefromTn_> SIMPLE turning surely is
[20:36:11] <rob_h> i admit most lathe stuff program at the machine ... but when you have mutli turrets to sync up or power tooling its abit more involved
[20:36:12] <PetefromTn_> but complex curvatures and other things probably not so much
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[20:38:01] <rob_h> just been looking at a horizontal machine today but not sure if i can fit it in the shop takes up a lot of space but can load a lot of parts in to it :)
[20:38:44] <PetefromTn_> horizontals can be quite capable of course especially with pallet changing capabilities.
[20:38:48] <anomynous_> rob_h, do you own a shop
[20:38:57] <rob_h> yes
[20:39:06] <anomynous_> buy me a machine too
[20:39:16] <anomynous_> one with fast enough tool changer so i dont need that special drill
[20:39:22] <rob_h> yea this was a matsuura with true 4th axis as pallet so can get any degree on it, twin pallet
[20:39:50] <PetefromTn_> nice...I am sure that was not cheap
[20:40:01] <rob_h> lol some times i wonder if the machine is cheap part... as some of the tools u feed it with :s
[20:40:20] <malcom2073> Heh, no such thing as a free machine
[20:40:29] <XXCoder> any massive 3d printer sale say, over 50% off? lol
[20:40:43] <PetefromTn_> it can be certainly I probably have spent more on the tooling and retrofits than I paid for both my machines...
[20:40:55] <malcom2073> I've spent twice what I paid for my machine getting it running thus far
[20:41:49] <rob_h> like having throught spindle coolant.. its so nice drilling holes now.. but the wallet says other wise looking in the draw of drills now
[20:42:06] <XXCoder> malcom2073: freecad do have cam too but not very good cam stuff yet unfortunately
[20:42:11] <PetefromTn_> I wish my machine had TSC
[20:42:13] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I saw that when I was browsing around
[20:42:26] <malcom2073> TSC?
[20:42:35] <rob_h> tsc=throught spindle coolant
[20:42:38] <XXCoder> though spindle cool
[20:42:39] <malcom2073> Ahh nice
[20:42:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah thru spindle coolant
[20:42:53] <PetefromTn_> apparently my machine had come with the option
[20:43:01] <PetefromTn_> but it is not equipped with it
[20:43:09] <rob_h> oh nice.. on matsuura its direct couple spindle with hollow motor
[20:43:18] <XXCoder> I used it once at work, its pretty cool. pump for it was semi-broken though so it leaked constantly lol
[20:43:21] <PetefromTn_> there are actually two tubes up top there that were for that option
[20:43:21] <rob_h> on top is the durabin seal realy simple how it works
[20:43:56] <PetefromTn_> drilling with it is amazing really
[20:44:12] <rob_h> you do need filters on coolant line for sure.. we have a 4 micron and a 1 micron filter in the lines last for a while if have some good coolant tank system
[20:44:21] <PetefromTn_> in the shops I worked in they had it and with those dream drills they can punch a hole in seconds
[20:44:26] <rob_h> you cant fit it on then peter?
[20:44:35] <PetefromTn_> I dunno
[20:44:37] <malcom2073> My mill has a pump and piping for flood coolant, but I've been doing the brush and oil method so far heh
[20:44:56] <PetefromTn_> the machine had the option and it is different drawbar and pullstuds and other stuff I am sure..
[20:45:26] <rob_h> i dont know. on matsuura its just a valve that does the change over from air and coolant
[20:45:27] <PetefromTn_> it also talks about it in the manual
[20:45:36] <rob_h> you cant work the TSC if there is no Air tho. its protect that way
[20:46:27] <rob_h> plus spindle has a big air leaking cushion to stop any coolant flooding back into the bearings etc we only have 30bar which seems plenty
[20:46:43] <rob_h> no idea why need go crazy higher on new machines unless very small drills you run
[20:48:26] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzDXhcqd7lQ
[20:48:40] <PetefromTn_> Can probably go twice that fast as in the video from what I have seen.
[20:49:04] <rob_h> yea i look at some of the walter numbers if you have the spindle speed you can push some drills fast
[20:49:43] <rob_h> realy long drills they quote some crazy speeds too.. but also give you a speshial drill pattern to use
[20:50:15] <PetefromTn_> I was surprised that often they said you don't even need to predrill
[20:50:22] <rob_h> but i also found is realy handle doing deep pockets just push it through the collet on the holder and no more swarf
[20:51:06] <rob_h> yea i was using some 5d drills.. and guy at walter said use this drill , do not predrill and do it in 1 hit
[20:51:20] <PetefromTn_> yup
[20:51:28] <PetefromTn_> that is what they did and damn was it fast...
[20:51:29] <rob_h> he said the feeds and speeds to use, he said u get like 50,000 holes and yep it worked like magic
[20:52:04] <rob_h> was drilling 7075-T6 so abit more easy too than most allis
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[21:02:43] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40c8agNG4XQ Man I so need this
[21:03:18] <rob_h> have you seen the price tho
[21:03:21] <XXCoder> that is cool
[21:03:27] <XXCoder> both figivitely and literal
[21:03:31] <PetefromTn_> I am sure it is stupid expensive
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[21:03:44] <rob_h> have to program each postion into it
[21:03:57] <PetefromTn_> Haas machines have something similar
[21:04:00] <rob_h> so when do toolchange it moves to it machine cant interface to it
[21:04:05] <rob_h> but some linuxcnc it could ;)
[21:04:39] <PetefromTn_> in the HAAS machines it is integrated into the control and you adjust for each tool on setup
[21:04:49] <rob_h> this machine has it
[21:04:50] <XXCoder> it looks to be addon to any machine?
[21:04:51] <rob_h> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkZIrvsXOVw&index=5&list=FLz-Zh-cjUjvRfpgPZqPH9og
[21:06:34] <PetefromTn_> damn that is a sweet machine 40plus by 23 plus by 23 plus with 12k RPM spindle and prog coolant
[21:07:08] <PetefromTn_> 1889 IPM rapids..
[21:07:47] <rob_h> 300psi on coolant too
[21:08:14] <PetefromTn_> it says it has the dual contact Cat40 spindle face too like the big bertha or whatever they call it
[21:08:25] <rob_h> yea bigplus
[21:08:30] <rob_h> but you find any machine now days has it
[21:08:38] <PetefromTn_> really?
[21:08:39] <rob_h> on matsuura it was standard from 2000
[21:09:30] <PetefromTn_> hehe my machine is a toad compared to that
[21:09:41] <rob_h> like how he knows how to use random tool change also, and does a pre pocket drop ready
[21:10:32] <PetefromTn_> yup swingarm is stupid fast too...
[21:10:34] <rob_h> not belive how many machiens iv seen working where someone never programs next tool and it sits there waiting for it lol
[21:11:01] <XXCoder> rob_h: not all machines support it but yeah
[21:11:20] <XXCoder> work machine haas (big one) tool changes always take over a minute
[21:11:23] <rob_h> im talking random machines that can do it but operater does not program it in
[21:11:36] <XXCoder> because it gonna swing it in to side of spindle
[21:11:38] <XXCoder> then change tools
[21:11:41] <XXCoder> then swing back
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[21:13:14] <XXCoder> and yeah rob_h saw few programs for supported machines that dont have it
[21:20:40] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/t31.0-8/12273749_1169827673031612_3248234205757800119_o.jpg
[21:20:43] <malcom2073> Not bad for being pine
[21:21:04] <XXCoder> malcom2073: heck yeah
[21:21:22] <XXCoder> you could make stamps using same machine
[21:21:26] <malcom2073> Cambam did that, entirely cambam
[21:21:28] <XXCoder> and some stiff rubber
[21:21:46] <malcom2073> Heh, my wife is a crafter, she asked about that. Most stamps are done with molds and a rubber vulcanising machine
[21:21:48] <malcom2073> but I could make molds
[21:21:56] <XXCoder> yeah
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[21:22:03] <XXCoder> wood molds will work im sure lol
[21:22:04] <malcom2073> They make a DIY stamp machine that pushes liquid rubber into molds, it's not cheap though
[21:22:15] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073 looks nice man
[21:22:17] <XXCoder> once coated to oprevent grain inprint
[21:22:38] <PetefromTn_> honestly that is NOTHING for cambam it is quite capable even 3d milling options work quite well.
[21:22:44] <XXCoder> what the heck
[21:22:51] <XXCoder> jet film in cnc machines playlist
[21:24:48] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: yeah, I tried 3d, need a better PC heh
[21:25:00] <PetefromTn_> why?
[21:25:37] <malcom2073> Well, I modeled that same piece of wood, except with raised letters and beveled edges as a STL, exported it to cambam, and let it run for an hour, never came back
[21:25:39] <XXCoder> whoa
[21:25:40] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-KO3V8FSD0
[21:25:47] <XXCoder> that is very different tool head changer
[21:26:15] <PetefromTn_> it depends a lot on your settings
[21:26:18] <XXCoder> I think I see problems, expecially if need long tools.
[21:26:24] <PetefromTn_> if you have tiny stepover it has a LOT to think about
[21:26:42] <malcom2073> Hmm, I used the default, if I increase that it should have a lot less paths to figure out
[21:26:50] <rob_h> we be watching some chirons next for there odd tool change
[21:26:51] <PetefromTn_> so even on mastercam it can take a little while to complete the computations and spit out the code
[21:27:29] <rob_h> lol.. but they havea light spindle also. why they can do 10k-0-10k in like 1 sec
[21:27:35] <rob_h> with a tool change
[21:28:35] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: once acciently set tool diameter to 0
[21:28:47] <XXCoder> then cam crashed freecad woth infinite loop lol
[21:29:04] <XXCoder> it takes infinite for cnc machine to mill out area with tool dia of zero!
[21:29:30] <rob_h> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2G2y4T2xZ4
[21:29:46] <PetefromTn_> rob_h that is true if it is a massively heavy large spindle it takes TONS more power of course to spool it up and down...
[21:30:36] <PetefromTn_> Chiron are very intersting machines. I love their two sided table on some of them... load one while the other is running etc.
[21:30:53] <rob_h> but brother is grate for what its made for drilling and tapping bucket load of bits
[21:31:45] <PetefromTn_> some of the newer brothers are quite capable of hogging some metal in addition to the super fast toolchanges
[21:33:26] <rob_h> yea for sure plus they run on linux
[21:33:33] <PetefromTn_> no kidding?
[21:33:37] <PetefromTn_> I did not know that
[21:33:38] <rob_h> watch one boot
[21:34:02] <PetefromTn_> you mean on linux operating system or linuxCNC?
[21:34:06] <rob_h> even the older ones that are PC based
[21:34:13] <rob_h> linux operating
[21:34:23] <rob_h> prob why they always been so fast
[21:34:25] <PetefromTn_> aah that is not surprising I think
[21:34:27] <rob_h> as always been there own control
[21:35:14] <rob_h> i know people i talk to about them that used them always said a nice machine and very nice control more so on the newer ones
[21:35:49] <PetefromTn_> holy cow I have never seen that dual spindle model
[21:36:19] <PetefromTn_> I recall seeing someone retrofitting an older Chiron online before
[21:36:43] <rob_h> on forum i think
[21:36:54] <rob_h> was it in germany?
[21:37:09] <rob_h> video of it was on youtube wonder if still there
[21:37:27] <rob_h> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsSDIpySrYc
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[21:39:40] <PetefromTn_> yup that is it.... SO kickass
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[21:39:58] <rob_h> i think its probly quite supricing what has been retrofitted thats not known
[21:41:07] <PetefromTn_> OMG there is even one Chiron running on Mach3.....perish the thought
[21:41:29] <rob_h> realy
[21:41:48] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS9mh_iMing
[21:44:04] <PetefromTn_> damn whoever did that retrofit did an outstanding job of wiring it. Very tight and clean
[21:44:06] <malcom2073> That's an awsome toolchanger
[21:45:41] <PetefromTn_> it is indeed an awesome toolchanger but I think the brother ones are much simpler and faster
[21:46:09] <rob_h> but ud not say no to ether if someone gave u one ;)
[21:46:21] <XXCoder> wow
[21:46:26] <XXCoder> thats one weird tolchanger
[21:46:44] <PetefromTn_> sure I would take any VMC if someone gave it to me if it was not a complete disaster LOL
[21:46:48] <XXCoder> whoa is that spindle movement on all axes?
[21:46:51] <XXCoder> interesting
[21:47:12] <rob_h> i dont know no one can give me a hass lol
[21:47:37] <PetefromTn_> good then you can give it to me
[21:47:41] <malcom2073> Lol
[21:47:41] <rob_h> deal
[21:47:42] <PetefromTn_> I like HAAS
[21:47:43] <rob_h> lol
[21:47:50] <XXCoder> haas meh
[21:47:57] <XXCoder> but would accept if free lol
[21:48:06] <rob_h> i dont know any one that likes them yet.. all thoes with them tell me how bad they are and how they need a engineer all the time
[21:48:09] <malcom2073> No such thing as a free machine :P
[21:48:15] <PetefromTn_> shit you would accept a chinese bedmill if it were free xxcoder
[21:48:36] <XXCoder> depends on transportion and setup expense
[21:48:54] <rob_h> machine transport as crazy for u guys as for us then
[21:49:10] <PetefromTn_> rob_h like I have said before several of the local shops have a bunch of them and they all like them
[21:49:16] <XXCoder> dont forget setup too, like getting nesscary power source and air
[21:49:31] <JT-Shop> and tool holders
[21:50:00] <malcom2073> And tools!
[21:50:01] <XXCoder> tool holder really isnt nesscary for home use
[21:50:04] <XXCoder> manual tool change
[21:50:11] <XXCoder> just never mix tools up LOL
[21:50:14] <rob_h> get the kids lol
[21:50:24] <malcom2073> My machine has a nmbt30, so I need holders to do anything heh
[21:50:39] <XXCoder> guy at work once ruined $2000 part because he forgot to change tool
[21:50:51] <malcom2073> Whups
[21:50:52] <PetefromTn_> you need holders regardless if it has a toolchanger or not
[21:51:05] <XXCoder> one machine okuma can't do tool change at first (dunno why)
[21:53:45] <PetefromTn_> in case anyone doesn't know there is an active shooter situation going on in Colorado at a Planned parenthood clinic right now...
[21:54:35] <JT-Shop> damn
[21:56:28] <Deejay> gn8
[21:56:37] <JT-Shop> goodnight Deejay
[21:56:42] <malcom2073> Damn, gun nuts like that are gonna make it harder for us normal crazies to get guns
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[21:57:54] <Jymmm> malcom2073: make em yourself then, perfectly legal
[21:58:07] <XXCoder> malcom2073: just goes to show that no matter how specialist your group is, there is subgroup
[21:58:13] <malcom2073> Jymmm: It's on my list of things to machine
[21:58:22] <XXCoder> there is ALWAYS subgroups, down to single person lol
[21:58:28] <Jymmm> list? wtf is that shit?
[21:58:40] <malcom2073> My machine moves slower than my mind!
[21:58:47] <Jymmm> then there are freaks like XXCoder
[21:58:53] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[21:59:15] <XXCoder> heh
[21:59:19] * Jymmm tosses a flame under malcom2073 ass and the rest of him too... CHESTNUTS ROASTING OVEN AN OPEN FIRE....
[21:59:27] <malcom2073> Hah
[21:59:37] <malcom2073> Let me rephrase: My wife doesn't allow my machine to move any faster :P
[22:00:12] <Jymmm> Let me rephrase... malcom2073's chestnuts in a jar, on the mantel, above an open fire....
[22:00:17] <malcom2073> +1
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[22:00:19] <PetefromTn_> wtf does you wife have to say about how fast your machine runs?
[22:00:34] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: ask her vibrator(s)
[22:01:22] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm easy man.. calm down ;)
[22:01:25] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: https://i.chzbgr.com/full/3134865664/h25564078/
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[22:01:39] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: It was generalized, not one person(s) specific.
[22:01:42] <PetefromTn_> what is it?
[22:02:07] <PetefromTn_> Jymm LOL
[22:02:10] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: In a nutshell.... Happy Wife, Happy Life
[22:02:39] <PetefromTn_> ain't it da truth
[22:02:52] <malcom2073> Lol
[22:03:00] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: I only have so much time to spend in the garage
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[22:03:14] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Thus, why a man's machine can not be faster/better than his wife/gf's machine(s) =)
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[22:03:34] <PetefromTn_> its not the speed man ;)
[22:04:07] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Well, hell if you can do 5 hours of foreplay, you're a better man than most =)
[22:04:34] <PetefromTn_> Oh I was not aware we were discussing foreplay ROFL
[22:05:25] <Jymmm> lol
[22:06:10] <rob_h> this conversation has gone very side ways lol must rember less youtube vids next time lol
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[22:06:30] <PetefromTn_> indeed
[22:07:08] <malcom2073> Tends to happen here
[22:07:25] * Jymmm blames malcom2073
[22:08:09] <Jymmm> Hey, anything I need to be aware when replacing a maul handle?
[22:08:16] * JT-Shop goes to pre-heat the oven for the french bread
[22:08:32] <rob_h> all round Jts later then
[22:08:46] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracy
[22:08:52] <JT-Shop> see you later Rob
[22:08:55] <rob_h> ni
[22:09:05] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm I think just make damn sure it is secure before you start_A_SWINGING with it
[22:09:06] <Jymmm> G'Night Groucho
[22:09:34] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: That's no fun!
[22:09:35] <Jymmm> http://www.homedepot.com/p/True-Temper-36-in-Replacement-Fiberglass-Handle-2036100/202057450
[22:10:29] <rob_h> spesial made in china to brake on the first swing !!!
[22:10:41] <PetefromTn_> I have a maul here it is a beast I use it to split firewood when we had a wood stove
[22:10:52] <Jymmm> AMES is pretty good quality I thought
[22:12:14] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I got an 8lb maul, roll of chicken wire, packs of hinges and hasps for $4.67, so I cna't complain much =)
[22:12:27] <Jymmm> maul head, no handle.
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[22:12:47] <PetefromTn_> you building a chicken coop or something?
[22:13:26] <Jymmm> Nah, using the chicken wire to surround the logs
[22:13:43] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: like the tire trick when splitting
[22:14:34] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2d2GTBga6I
[22:16:13] <PetefromTn_> that looks great as long as the log fits the tire reasonably well hehe
[22:16:30] <Jymmm> toss in smaller logs to take up the extra space
[22:17:14] <Jymmm> but I dont have a tire, so going to use chicken wire or fence wire instead
[22:17:44] <rob_h> cant you just go to your local car tyre place and ask for one
[22:17:58] <rob_h> here they be all to pleased to give them away. as they pay to get rid
[22:18:26] <Jymmm> rob_h: I really dont want one. If I use 2"x4" fence wire, I can just adjust it to log size, then hang on wall in garage when not using it
[22:18:40] <rob_h> i see
[22:19:11] <Jymmm> Also, makes a nice lol log carrier thats weatherproof, as this is 12" checkien wire
[22:19:18] <Jymmm> s/lol/lil/
[22:20:00] <Jymmm> I'm tired if picking up one split/log at a time
[22:20:04] <Jymmm> of*
[22:21:03] <Jymmm> It's not the weight, it's that constant bending over thats a killer onthe back.
[22:21:10] <rob_h> ok all im off for the night . speak soon
[22:21:16] <Jymmm> G'night rob_h
[22:22:08] <PetefromTn_> gn8
[22:35:34] <enleth> At last, Bridgeport cuts properly. Somehow a shitty chinese toolholder with a shitty chinese collet gets me less than 0.02mm of runout at the mill shank.
[22:36:13] <XXCoder> maybe they was so shitty they cancelled each other shittness
[22:37:19] <enleth> Well that's actually what must have happened, I have to check for any difference if I rotate the collet before tightening it
[22:37:52] <XXCoder> mark em first
[22:37:57] <XXCoder> so you can re-align lol
[22:38:04] <enleth> I mean, if they are off center but their axis is still parallel to the spindle, that's what can happen
[22:39:04] <enleth> Anyway, if anyone here ever needs to replace the innards of a QC30 locknut, an almost homemade replacement will do the job just fine.
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[22:40:11] <andypugh> Well, that’s me calling it night
[22:40:38] <XXCoder> lol
[22:40:40] <XXCoder> enter to leave
[22:40:44] <XXCoder> night
[22:41:03] <andypugh> I meant machining
[22:41:44] <andypugh> I was homing in on the exact thread for a crankshaft nut, walking between the engine and the lathe with the nut in the chuck.
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[22:42:28] <andypugh> I managed to slip on wet decking. I din’t fall, but I dropped the chuck on my foot. And sliced my thump open on a sharp bit.
[22:42:49] <andypugh> (thumb, typing one-handed)
[22:43:28] <_methods> ouch
[22:43:31] <andypugh> Luckily it was my smallest chuck, only a 5”, not one of my 8”
[22:45:09] <PetefromTn_> jeez that sucks
[22:45:29] <jthornton> ouch, when I do that I look like the Julia Childs skit on SNL and bleed like crazy
[22:46:26] <XXCoder> coworker once dropped a lathe tool and it bounced and strached my leg pretty good :P
[22:46:29] <jthornton> well in the morning I'll see if LinuxMint with RTAI improves the latency of my crappy computer just for fun
[22:46:35] <XXCoder> very sharp bit
[22:46:37] <andypugh> I didn’t know I was cut until I saw the drips on the floor. Kind-of distracted by my foot.
[22:47:34] <jthornton> time to put the french bread in the oven I think mmmmm
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[22:48:07] <XXCoder> andypugh: nice and sharp
[22:49:33] <andypugh> jthornton: Isn’t that “Freedom Bread”, or did you forgive them now they are heloping you bomb Syria?
[22:50:01] <XXCoder> its now french freedom bread lol
[22:50:11] <Tom_itx> jthornton, you get any frozen weather yet?
[22:50:20] <PetefromTn_> apparently YOU guys will be helping now too andy
[22:50:49] <Tom_itx> rob_h, those machines you've seen that do prefetch.. do they have to program a prefetch in the gcode or is it integrated in the Tx M6 move?
[22:51:08] <Tom_itx> as part of a code lookahead
[22:51:52] <rob_h> to pre fetch next tool just request with a T command any where in program and carasel wil go put in place ready for the change arm.. only works on random obvsily
[22:52:14] <rob_h> to pre drop pocket only works where u can drop pocket.. some older machines are cam driven from the arm motion. so as arm moves pocket drops
[22:52:23] <Tom_itx> iirc, our okumas didn't need any special gcodes for it
[22:52:39] <rob_h> on better machiens there is cylidner to drop pocket.. so can do any where in program with M code... and arm is on its own motor/cam
[22:52:40] <Tom_itx> chain driven in the back of the machine
[22:52:48] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Yeah, it looks likely. TBH I am with Corbyn on this, bombing ISIS is going to be about as easy as bombing the colour blue.
[22:52:49] <Tom_itx> with a swing arm
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[22:53:18] <rob_h> on matsuura M29 will postion spindle.. drop pocket also.. so can do that on way back up Z move
[22:53:40] <jthornton> andypugh: that is french bread as in New Orleans Leidenheimer french from Canada bread
[22:53:50] <jthornton> Tom_itx: no, just moist stuff
[22:53:50] <rob_h> then when you get there.. and it sees the M6 can do the change... but you can also do M code call to drop pocket if you wish but never see point untill ready to drop it.. only gets in the way other wise
[22:54:05] <Tom_itx> ice here
[22:54:19] <Tom_itx> mixed rain
[22:54:22] <jthornton> anyway they are the right shape and size so 30 minutes will tell the story
[22:54:26] <jthornton> yuck
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[22:55:55] <andypugh> (Mouse batteries died)
[22:55:56] <Tom_itx> i know you'd better not be in the back stuffing tools for the next job when it's running
[22:56:12] <jthornton> ouch
[22:56:22] <Tom_itx> there was a manual control in the back for that though
[22:56:45] <Tom_itx> the chain was inside a cage
[22:56:52] <Tom_itx> with an access door
[22:56:59] <jthornton> good news is I got the new door for the garage today and maybe sunday I can put it in and finish the siding
[22:57:05] <PetefromTn_> man it sure was a huge mistake buying this big comfy couch for our living room I tell ya...
[22:57:08] <jthornton> or cladding for those across the pond
[22:57:18] <Tom_itx> heh
[22:57:29] <Tom_itx> what was wrong with the old door?
[22:57:54] <jthornton> I never did paint it so the wood rotted out
[22:58:44] <XXCoder> first entry at "worse things for sale" is.. wtf..
[22:58:52] <XXCoder> http://theworstthingsforsale.com/
[22:59:05] <XXCoder> or should I say ftf? :P
[23:00:28] <jthornton> Tom_itx: I changed my sat plan to unlimited from 3am to 8am wow what a better setup... I'm up at 5am so I do all my up/down between 5 and 8
[23:00:56] <Tom_itx> good deal
[23:01:33] <andypugh> We seem to have caught “Black Friday” from you guys. It makes no sense at all. I have been trying to find the least-appropriate sale item for this inappropriate day (as it is a normal workday here, with absolutely no significance). I think Black Friday deals on Airport Parking wins so far.
[23:01:42] <jthornton> yea, I have 0.9 GB left for the month
[23:01:58] <jthornton> if I can keep my wife off the net I'm ok
[23:02:23] * XXCoder is glad he has ino limit data.
[23:02:26] <Tom_itx> mine isn't unlimited but i've never reached the limit
[23:02:27] <jthornton> I bought a door on black friday lol
[23:02:53] <jthornton> when you live on a dead end dirt road off of a dirt road your choices are limited
[23:02:53] <Tom_itx> take it back on cyber monday and see what they say
[23:03:10] <jthornton> I'll have it installed the first rain break I get
[23:03:52] <Tom_itx> insulated?
[23:03:56] * jthornton goes to check the bread
[23:03:57] <Tom_itx> or entry door?
[23:04:39] * Tom_itx guesses entry door since you said wood
[23:05:56] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i got all my mates working but i had to put them as one assembly
[23:06:43] <jthornton> that doesn't make sense Tom_itx
[23:06:56] <jthornton> want to post it up and I'll look in the am?
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[23:07:33] <jthornton> the man door to the garage 3.0 metal skinned door
[23:07:55] <jthornton> yea the door framing is what rotted
[23:09:17] <andypugh> jthornton: Pitch Pine, that’s what you need.
[23:10:11] <jthornton> I need to add some more insulation to the garage doors, the shop door is insulated for the arctic circle
[23:11:18] <jthornton> we call it pine knot or fatwood here
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[23:12:40] <jthornton> wow pos computer is up to 72k ns latency
[23:12:51] <andypugh> I just noticed (for the first time). https://youtu.be/Nn1bJ3YAQdI?t=4m45 The machine bonks it’s own control panel.
[23:13:24] <jthornton> ah, I can't look out of bandwidth for the month
[23:18:15] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, it could have been how i did the mates
[23:18:17] <andypugh> jthornton: I am confused now. http://www.wood-database.com/lumber-identification/softwoods/pitch-pine/ says that Pitch Pine has low rot resistance.
[23:18:24] <Tom_itx> i wanted a restricted stroke on a cylinder
[23:18:45] <Tom_itx> iirc i used the 2 end faces
[23:19:15] <Tom_itx> in the end, i used the bottom of the jack base where the cylinder housing mounts as one and the cylinder as the other
[23:20:19] <mrsun__> hehe that machine bonk thingie, a friend of mine at his work had a robot try to punch right throught its own control cabinet
[23:20:38] <mrsun__> it had been working for a good while then all of the suden it just turned and stretched as long as it could .. straight into the control cabinet :P
[23:21:01] <Tom_itx> encoder give out?
[23:21:04] <mrsun__> something went wrong :P
[23:21:09] <mrsun__> dont know .. never heard what was wrong
[23:21:12] <mrsun__> but something hapened atleast :P
[23:21:20] <mrsun__> might be a proable scenario =)
[23:22:26] <mrsun__> that or some evil ghost took control over it
[23:23:20] <SpeedEvil> Chinese hackers.
[23:24:36] <XXCoder> andypugh: interesting
[23:24:39] <XXCoder> bit of a bonk
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[23:27:42] <andypugh> This is rather more elaborate that your normal backyard casting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs4q-QZmNpY
[23:28:07] <andypugh> There again, he is making a 75’ steel Junk in his back garden.
[23:28:09] <XXCoder> wow thats great idea
[23:29:29] <XXCoder> using cnc to create cast parts
[23:29:44] <XXCoder> but whats new to me is how they ysed stacked wood parts
[23:29:45] <PetefromTn_> that guy is rather insane but it sure is a cool project LOL
[23:30:26] <Tom_itx> no audio here, what does he use at the parting line so they don't stick together?
[23:30:33] <andypugh> Talc
[23:30:37] <Tom_itx> ahh
[23:30:54] <XXCoder> myfordboy usually use what seem to be baby butt powder
[23:31:01] <andypugh> Makes my CNC-milled patterns look a bit pitiful.
[23:31:08] <Tom_itx> XXCoder, same thing
[23:31:15] <XXCoder> oh
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[23:35:16] <XXCoder> huh that confused me a bit - he seem to have broken one side of mold or?
[23:36:43] <Tom_itx> one time use
[23:37:06] <XXCoder> no, guess he was just showing prior mold, it being crunchy and yes one time use
[23:39:38] <XXCoder> ya know
[23:39:45] <XXCoder> I like myfordboy's method better
[23:39:47] <XXCoder> reusable sand
[23:40:05] <XXCoder> but probably wont work for what seem to be steel?
[23:41:04] <andypugh> Wow, not letting the fact he has the wrong machine stop him: https://youtu.be/1AyaYpbUSB0?t=3m
[23:41:29] <andypugh> That propellor would be a big thing for green sand.
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[23:42:42] <andypugh> I think it could be done, they do bigger.
[23:42:42] <andypugh> But the mould might burst. CO2 sand is stronger.
[23:43:16] <XXCoder> interesting machine
[23:44:00] <XXCoder> wow they made rotating blades poperllers. wonder what theyre makin
[23:45:03] <andypugh> I think it’s the plasma cutter he cut the boat parts with.
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[23:46:06] <andypugh> XXCoder: They are making a boat
[23:46:17] <XXCoder> that was my guess, but what type?
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[23:47:00] <andypugh> Steel junk-rigged motor-sailer
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[23:48:03] <andypugh> Design picture here: http://www.svseeker.com/wp/
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