#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-11-18

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[00:00:02] <PetefromTn_> they asked me if I want to go not sure I will or not but it would be cool.
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[00:02:02] <naja452> Can anyone recommend some tooling for a mill?
[00:02:54] <PetefromTn_> what kind of mill?
[00:03:00] <_methods> maybe a drill bit
[00:03:03] <_methods> and some end mills
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[00:03:56] <naja452> Well, I got my hands on an old gorton from the 60s (I think) and it has a lot of misc inserts and I dont know where to start.
[00:04:28] <jthornton> what are you machining?
[00:04:34] <jthornton> what material
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[00:05:08] <naja452> I'm not entirely sure yet, aluminum and steel mostly I'm sure
[00:05:12] <_methods> fish sticks obviously
[00:05:17] <naja452> lol
[00:05:18] <_methods> he said its a gorton
[00:05:24] <_methods> haha
[00:05:27] <naja452> http://imgur.com/rfnKg5w
[00:05:47] <naja452> I'm sure it can handle steel just fine
[00:05:53] <PetefromTn_> hey that looks pretty decent
[00:05:53] <jthornton> well aluminum and steel use different inserts
[00:06:04] <PetefromTn_> I think he meant toolholders
[00:06:07] <_methods> wtf i've never seen one like that before
[00:06:11] <_methods> it's got bar ways
[00:06:12] <PetefromTn_> looks like NTMB4o
[00:06:14] <naja452> Yeah, its a bear to move around
[00:06:27] <naja452> YES, tool holders
[00:06:30] <zeeshan|2> nice m/c
[00:06:42] <PetefromTn_> that is interesting ways indeed
[00:06:56] <naja452> they're fully supported, no worries
[00:07:26] <PetefromTn_> I did not mean to suggest otherwise
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[00:07:41] <jthornton> ER collets work good but you can spend a ton getting all you might need
[00:07:48] <jthornton> do you have anything now?
[00:07:50] <PetefromTn_> definitely need to loose that drill press vise tho
[00:08:05] <naja452> yeah, that vice is crap
[00:08:16] <naja452> I'm lloking at a kurt 6" that a friend has right now
[00:08:27] <PetefromTn_> good choice ;)
[00:08:29] <_methods> strap clamps?
[00:08:46] <PetefromTn_> looks like it has varispeed head
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[00:09:01] <Contract_Pilot> Sup.
[00:09:04] <naja452> It has some assorted Kwik switch 200 dual taper (?) collets right now
[00:09:04] <PetefromTn_> did you paint it orange?
[00:09:14] <naja452> and yes, I did paint it
[00:09:22] <PetefromTn_> cool
[00:09:32] <Contract_Pilot> Long week and only tuesday!
[00:09:33] <PetefromTn_> do you plan to CNC it or keep in manual
[00:09:58] <Contract_Pilot> No time to play with my lathes or mills
[00:10:06] <naja452> Most of the manual related stuff was missing, (hydraulics, hand cranks etc), so Its CNC right now
[00:10:27] <_methods> that's one teeny tiny stepper on there lol
[00:10:40] <naja452> ;) yeah, I thought someone might see that.
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[00:10:56] <PetefromTn_> I did not even notice the motor LOL
[00:10:58] <_methods> hehe
[00:11:04] <PetefromTn_> is it on linuxCNC?
[00:11:20] <naja452> I cant afford servos, I just got a set of NEMA 34s and some gecko drivers to replace the tiny ones though
[00:11:34] <naja452> and yes, its on linux cnc
[00:11:40] <PetefromTn_> GOOD MAN
[00:11:43] <PetefromTn_> :D
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[00:12:14] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ where do they get a 3 rotor crank?
[00:12:19] <PetefromTn_> I find that if you shop around nice servos are NOT all that much more expensive than steppers anymore...
[00:12:23] <Tom_itx> aren't all them 2 rotor?
[00:12:31] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx there is a Mazda Sedan
[00:12:35] <PetefromTn_> sold in Japan
[00:12:44] <Tom_itx> i thought they were all 2 rotor
[00:12:44] <PetefromTn_> that uses the 3 rotor motor
[00:13:03] <Tom_itx> i bet they blow the crap outta their seals all the time
[00:13:03] <PetefromTn_> it has a different center iron that has an additional bearing carrier
[00:13:16] <PetefromTn_> why would you say that?
[00:13:28] <Tom_itx> because they're pushing em
[00:13:44] <Tom_itx> i know when my bud i used to work with raced em he had seal problems
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[00:14:46] <naja452> So my issue is getting some kind of (preferably hot-swap friendly) setup for my cutters and such, this stuff is all pretty old and I cant find parts to the Kwick switch 200 holder, much less ER collets.
[00:15:01] <PetefromTn_> here's pushing one.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYHgQ-ZvLdE
[00:15:24] <jthornton> I have kwik switch 200 on my bp
[00:15:31] <jthornton> no problem finding stuff
[00:16:08] <naja452> hm, maybe im just cheap then ;)
[00:16:37] <jthornton> I have no idea, but changing the spindle to something else would be costly
[00:16:43] <jthornton> what do you have now?
[00:17:09] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: The cost of servos isn't the servos themselves, it's the mesa and the time configuring/tuning them :P
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[00:17:32] <zeeshan|2> so much tormach influence in this channel!
[00:17:42] <jthornton> lol
[00:18:28] <naja452> I have whatever's here http://imgur.com/J5oOmyg
[00:18:57] <jthornton> I can't look at images, out of bandwidth already this month
[00:18:57] <naja452> lol, I can check them all for model numbers but most of it is KS 200 relateed
[00:19:40] <naja452> I have all the KS 200 and one ER16 collet
[00:20:29] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073 honestly man it is not that much more difficult and the fact you are then closed loop servos makes up the difference
[00:20:30] <jthornton> I'd just go with what you have till you "need" something else
[00:20:51] <zeeshan|2> i need fp50cc :{
[00:20:55] <malcom2073> Eh, I spent a week bashing my head against servo tuning, and couldn't afford to take the risk that mesa+linuxcnc tuning was any more fun :P
[00:20:58] <jthornton> yea setting up normal servos on mesa cards is a breeze
[00:21:15] <malcom2073> But hey, maybe it's much easier? Dunno
[00:21:51] <naja452> can anyone recommend a good Servo motor? I'm open to the idea
[00:22:17] <jthornton> I think I spend a couple of hours tuning my BP after verifying feedback and direction
[00:22:33] <PetefromTn_> I have Never done it before and the first build I did was servos and it was not that hard. Honestly the LinuxCNC MESANET setup is even easier as you can watch things and see your adjustments instead of poking around in the dark
[00:23:07] <malcom2073> Eh, maybe I'll give it a try someday ifI ever get disposable income and need more machine speed :P
[00:23:39] <jthornton> if what you have works then don't fix something that ain't broken
[00:24:09] <naja452> On the topic of servos and closed loop...
[00:25:07] <naja452> I've used quite a few "CNC" machines, but I've found that I like to just manual control most of the time and watch the numbers...
[00:25:28] <naja452> Is there a good pendant so to speak for manual control of machines without handles?
[00:26:11] <jthornton> I would only use a MPG to manually control a mill and only for touch off
[00:26:12] <naja452> pushing buttons on a keyboard is just annoying
[00:26:25] <jthornton> buttons is buttons
[00:26:56] <malcom2073> I've heard good things about pendants, I plan on building one myself and using it for semi-manual control
[00:27:25] <jthornton> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant that's what I use on my plasma
[00:27:44] <jthornton> I use ngcgui and gedit
[00:28:18] <naja452> A buddy and I are working on a pendant with a single bearing mounted crank and an encoder to just magnet slap on the machine somewhere.
[00:28:32] <naja452> I just like the feel of a real hand wheel
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[00:29:37] <jthornton> my motto is Comedite bonum,vitam diligere
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[00:30:12] <jdh> I don't have a motto
[00:30:23] * jthornton goes to check the wings
[00:30:37] <jthornton> you can have one of mine if you like
[00:30:49] <jdh> cool. got a spare good one?
[00:33:27] <Tom_itx> it flushes downhill, don't be there when it does?
[00:33:58] <zeeshan|2> man ive been trying to get my stray cat
[00:34:08] <zeeshan|2> and another cat ive had for 11 years to bond
[00:34:10] <zeeshan|2> boy that guy is angry
[00:34:27] <zeeshan|2> its been a week since ive had the stray kitten in isolation
[00:34:38] <zeeshan|2> wish i could linuxcnc the cat into being nice.
[00:34:39] <zeeshan|2> :]
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[00:40:34] <Tom_itx> latency is too bad
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[00:45:15] <PetefromTn_> I don't miss turning handles on my mill whatsoever
[00:45:44] <PetefromTn_> a CNC mill = Infinitely variable power feeds and DRO's on each axis
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[00:49:17] <zeeshan|2> lol tom
[00:49:30] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: yea i notice how manual machinists tend to hate cnc machinists
[00:49:42] <zeeshan|2> and i think the logic behind that is "hate something you dont understand"
[00:49:43] <zeeshan|2> :)
[00:49:55] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, it's because all they know are monkeys
[00:50:00] <zeeshan|2> cause owning a manual mill makes absolutely zero sense to me
[00:50:09] <zeeshan|2> because a cnc mill can be used as a manual machine?
[00:50:29] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: nahh man
[00:50:30] <jdh> owning a cnc mill and wanting to only control it manually makes no sense
[00:50:40] <zeeshan|2> even oxtoolco, and abom79
[00:50:50] <zeeshan|2> are your typical manual machinist type of mentality
[00:50:57] <zeeshan|2> even though oxtool is a cnc machinist..
[00:51:01] <zeeshan|2> jdh ofcourse :P
[00:51:21] <zeeshan|2> cnc machines are definitely not for nubs :P
[00:54:04] <zeeshan|2> i take that back, just thought of tormach
[00:54:04] <zeeshan|2> ;[
[00:54:14] <zeeshan|2> i should name myself the shitstarter
[00:56:45] <PetefromTn_> https://www.facebook.com/grsmotorsport/ These guys just went 5.980 at 241.15MPH with a ROtary.... How come the seals did not blow out? LOL
[00:57:10] <zeeshan|2> only had to last for 5.98 seconds
[00:57:11] <zeeshan|2> thats why
[00:57:27] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[00:57:34] <zeeshan|2> :D
[00:57:49] <PetefromTn_> Only like 2k plus HP for 5.98 seconds
[00:58:10] <PetefromTn_> you can watch the video on that page link
[00:58:21] <PetefromTn_> thing was ROLLIN'
[00:58:27] <zeeshan|2> i watched :D
[00:59:40] * zeeshan|2 is applying for jobs
[00:59:44] <zeeshan|2> takes forever :(
[01:00:51] <PetefromTn_> finish that lathe and you won't NEED a job ;)
[01:01:08] <zeeshan|2> to be honest man, at this contract job
[01:01:19] <zeeshan|2> i spend 8 hours and i have made more money consistently in a month
[01:01:35] <zeeshan|2> and i just sit on the comp and design
[01:01:44] <PetefromTn_> that works too
[01:01:56] <zeeshan|2> i want to have a job where i spent 6 hours on the desk
[01:01:57] <zeeshan|2> 2 hours on the floor
[01:02:04] <zeeshan|2> the would be the PERFECT balance
[01:02:07] <zeeshan|2> but its impossible to find
[01:02:26] <PetefromTn_> sounds like a programmers job
[01:02:34] <zeeshan|2> no man!
[01:02:56] <zeeshan|2> the mastercam programming jobs pretty much are office jobs
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[01:03:15] <PetefromTn_> only if you are not required to prove the program
[01:03:26] <zeeshan|2> like i want to engineer design stuff, like calculate stuff
[01:03:31] <zeeshan|2> throw the concept in solidworks, verify
[01:03:36] <zeeshan|2> and then comission it
[01:03:49] <jdh> I want to retire
[01:03:51] <zeeshan|2> most jobs ive come across, want you to do one specific thing
[01:04:04] <zeeshan|2> like if you're a simulation engineer, you just work with stress analysis
[01:04:04] <PetefromTn_> it's hard to wear all the hats unless you are a sole proprietor and then its just hard
[01:04:10] <zeeshan|2> you dont even touch manufacturing related stuff
[01:04:19] <zeeshan|2> i just want 2 hats man!
[01:04:26] <zeeshan|2> ive seen jobs like this before, but not around lately.........
[01:04:36] <zeeshan|2> you are part of conceptual design, you do analysis
[01:04:39] <zeeshan|2> and then you comission the design
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[01:04:49] <PetefromTn_> Personally speaking if I were you
[01:04:58] <PetefromTn_> and had the engineering degree
[01:05:03] <PetefromTn_> I would just do that
[01:05:05] <jdh> in my world, doing manufacturing means you do some of everything
[01:05:08] <PetefromTn_> and play machinist at home
[01:05:18] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: :(
[01:05:33] <zeeshan|2> i don't mean physically machining at work,
[01:05:35] <PetefromTn_> I am sure you will find what you are looking for tho
[01:05:37] <zeeshan|2> i mean lets say im building a conveyor
[01:05:51] <zeeshan|2> i design it, the manufacturing engineer sends the design out to be made on the floor
[01:06:09] <zeeshan|2> and then i come inspect the assembly to make sure it's made to design
[01:06:12] <Tom_itx> once you draw something, how can you move the sketch to an offset plane?
[01:06:19] <zeeshan|2> i dont wanna sit on my ass in the offiec all day long
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[01:06:31] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: go up back 1 history event
[01:06:34] <zeeshan|2> make a plane
[01:06:39] <PetefromTn_> there are lots of companies that would do that but most are going to me smaller companies
[01:06:42] <PetefromTn_> startups
[01:06:44] <zeeshan|2> then go back down to the sketch of interest, right click
[01:06:49] <zeeshan|2> and click "Edit sketch plane"
[01:06:52] <Tom_itx> ze, in the tree on the left?
[01:06:55] <zeeshan|2> or something along those lines
[01:06:55] <zeeshan|2> yes
[01:07:02] <zeeshan|2> youre just trying to make the plane before the sketch
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[01:07:13] <Tom_itx> yes then move it to it
[01:07:16] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: you are 100% right
[01:07:20] <zeeshan|2> small-mid
[01:07:26] <zeeshan|2> definitely not gonna happen at a fortune 500 company
[01:07:59] <PetefromTn_> probably not
[01:08:18] <zeeshan|2> for the last 3 months or so
[01:08:25] <zeeshan|2> ive been working on a massive job
[01:08:28] <zeeshan|2> and guess what, it's being built
[01:08:30] <zeeshan|2> and im not even part of it.
[01:08:31] <Tom_itx> it put it below the sketch in the tree
[01:08:40] <zeeshan|2> ive been making assembly drawings for the guys to follow
[01:08:54] <zeeshan|2> it disheartens me a bit..
[01:09:02] <zeeshan|2> but this is life
[01:09:14] <PetefromTn_> meh whether you are designing or machining you are still part of the project
[01:09:15] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: you gotta drag it up
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[01:09:32] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: but thats the thing, if you dont see the tangible product
[01:09:35] <Tom_itx> the plane or the sketch?
[01:09:36] <_methods> you can always just right click the sketchthen pick edit sketch plane
[01:09:37] <zeeshan|2> it sux
[01:09:45] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: the plane
[01:09:46] <Tom_itx> i've seen it done but haven't done it
[01:09:47] <_methods> then pick whatever plane you want to put it on
[01:09:48] <zeeshan|2> has to be before the sketch
[01:09:54] <Tom_itx> ok
[01:09:57] <PetefromTn_> this is why I am enjoying working with the race shop guys
[01:10:01] <zeeshan|2> otherwise the sketch doesn't know which plane it is
[01:10:19] <jdh> I do GUI's, PLCs, motion, motors, wiring, pneumatics, inspection, etc
[01:10:20] <PetefromTn_> they are trying to create new products and I am getting some input and doing the design work
[01:10:32] <zeeshan|2> jdh sounds like an awesome job! :P
[01:10:35] <zeeshan|2> minus the gui
[01:10:35] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:10:53] <jdh> operators & maint. need info
[01:10:54] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: your presistence of hanging out there
[01:10:56] <zeeshan|2> really paid off man
[01:11:00] <PetefromTn_> jdh are you a facilities maintenance guy or something?
[01:11:00] <zeeshan|2> im happy for you!
[01:11:08] <Tom_itx> ok the plane is above it in the list but the sketch still didn't move
[01:11:16] <jdh> Pete: "Manufacturing Engineer"
[01:11:16] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: it wont
[01:11:20] <zeeshan|2> you gotta choose "edit sketch plane"
[01:11:22] <_methods> is it a plane you added?
[01:11:24] <zeeshan|2> right click that
[01:11:30] <PetefromTn_> cool
[01:11:31] <_methods> you mihgt have to move the plane below the sketch in the tree
[01:11:33] <jdh> or controls engineer, or weld engineer
[01:11:42] <zeeshan|2> no you dont
[01:11:44] <zeeshan|2> it has to be above it.
[01:11:50] <PetefromTn_> are you a certified engineer or just have the experience to do it
[01:12:15] <zeeshan|2> if jdh uses the "tlar" methodology
[01:12:17] <zeeshan|2> he's an engineer
[01:12:18] <zeeshan|2> !
[01:12:21] <jdh> I do engineering, but I do not call myself an engineer.
[01:12:27] <Tom_itx> what do i click on to edit that?
[01:12:34] <zeeshan|2> right click the sketch
[01:12:48] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I visited about every damn company and business within a reasonable driving distance
[01:13:07] <PetefromTn_> most just gave me a few minutes of face time and said thanks but no thanks
[01:13:16] <PetefromTn_> a few actually gave me some work
[01:13:17] <zeeshan|2> ..
[01:13:40] <PetefromTn_> but these guys were really needing this resource so it works a little bit
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[01:14:52] <Tom_itx> ok i figured it out
[01:14:55] <Tom_itx> thanks
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[01:21:00] <PetefromTn_> sheet
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[01:21:27] <PetefromTn_> well I got my new Starrett edge finder and 123 blocks today ;)
[01:21:42] <PetefromTn_> its like a little Christmas to me :D
[01:23:22] <jdh> I got a Garmin Varia!
[01:23:32] <zeeshan|2> haha PetefromTn_
[01:23:35] <zeeshan|2> did you break your other one?
[01:24:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah I smoked it accidentally the other night with some fancy MPG footwork
[01:25:55] <zeeshan|2> doh
[01:26:06] <zeeshan|2> do you by any chance stioll have the spring for it?
[01:26:20] <zeeshan|2> a while back, i lost the spring one mine..
[01:26:25] <PetefromTn_> it actually still works sorta
[01:26:37] <zeeshan|2> its the one that has a cone on one end and cylinder on other end
[01:27:01] <zeeshan|2> the spring came out when i had it on the old bridgeport back in the day
[01:27:05] <zeeshan|2> nub machining :)
[01:27:07] <PetefromTn_> but I think it has a burr in it now so it kinda acts funny
[01:27:21] <PetefromTn_> I had one of the double end ones like that
[01:27:30] <PetefromTn_> these are both single ended ones
[01:27:52] <PetefromTn_> I stopped buying the double ended ones because I felt the action on the single end ones is a bit better
[01:28:10] <PetefromTn_> but it was nice to be able to pickup small holes with it
[01:28:17] <PetefromTn_> now I just use the DTI
[01:31:03] <Sync> I just get the cheap ones and sometimes use my 3d probe
[01:31:21] <PetefromTn_> the starret is pretty cheap actually
[01:31:31] <PetefromTn_> this one was $25 shipped
[01:32:01] <Sync> that's actually ok, but you could have about 3 chinese ones for that
[01:32:19] <PetefromTn_> I am sure you could
[01:32:41] <PetefromTn_> I have had good results always from the starretts tho very repeatable
[01:33:23] <PetefromTn_> but at the end of the day it is a simple mechanism and could be easily copied with reasonable grinding practices
[01:34:33] <Sync> well, the face needs to be square and the bottom one needs to be remotely round
[01:34:46] <Sync> I think I paid 7€ for mine, and it repeats well
[01:35:01] <PetefromTn_> I don't doubt it
[01:35:06] <Sync> but I also got a good deal on one of those tschorn probes
[01:35:12] <Sync> they are also not too bad
[01:35:20] <PetefromTn_> link?
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[01:36:00] <Sync> http://www.tschorn-gmbh.de/index.php?i=64&lg=0
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[01:36:21] <PetefromTn_> oh that looks like a Haimer
[01:36:37] <PetefromTn_> they are supposed to be quite nice and very precise
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[01:36:52] <PetefromTn_> is yours digital or analog
[01:36:57] <Sync> analog
[01:37:06] <Sync> there is no need for a digital one, imho
[01:37:07] <PetefromTn_> nice
[01:37:11] <PetefromTn_> agreed
[01:40:35] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5vKq8_nKhc nice
[01:40:57] <Sync> the nice thing is, they are smaller than the haimers
[01:41:29] <PetefromTn_> what is the price typically on them>
[01:42:31] <Sync> I think the small eco one costs 250€
[01:42:49] <PetefromTn_> 250 furry c's huh ;)
[01:43:23] <PetefromTn_> 246.37 Dollars US
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[01:44:48] <Sync> oh wow, the eur/usd has tanked
[01:45:02] <PetefromTn_> actually 265.
[01:46:18] <PetefromTn_> what does that unit do in an overtravel situation
[01:46:40] <Sync> break
[01:46:42] <PetefromTn_> IE you screwed up
[01:46:44] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[01:47:01] <Sync> it does not have the ceramic stylus like the others do
[01:47:11] <PetefromTn_> damn
[01:47:22] <PetefromTn_> be careful with that thing :D
[01:47:41] <Sync> protip, don't fuck up
[01:47:51] <PetefromTn_> I like the dual needle zero indication
[01:47:59] <PetefromTn_> Sync yeah right
[01:48:22] <PetefromTn_> I have seen guys with decades of experience smoke indicators and probes
[01:48:49] <Sync> well, apparently it has a predetermined breaking point but you know
[01:48:50] <Sync> sure
[01:48:55] <Sync> but that's how it goes :D
[01:49:17] <Sync> gotta pay to play
[01:49:49] * Jymmm plays solitare
[01:52:41] <Sync> hm
[01:52:53] <Sync> I think I have those yaskawa abs encoders figured out to some degre
[01:52:54] <Sync> e
[01:55:22] <zeeshan|2> btw if anyone wants to harass furrywolf
[01:55:25] <zeeshan|2> i found him in another channe :D
[01:55:57] <PetefromTn_> you love to start shit dontcha :D
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[01:56:03] <zeeshan|2> yes
[01:56:45] <PetefromTn_> my only question was what were you doing in the furrydildo channel?
[01:56:53] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:57:33] <Jymmm> What, he no longer hangs out in here?
[01:58:11] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Did you touch him in his special place the wrong way or soemthing?
[01:59:19] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Hey, you DO have a sense of humor, I'll be damned ;)
[01:59:51] <PetefromTn_> you mean you just noticed?
[01:59:58] <PetefromTn_> I thought I was doing great in here
[02:00:06] <PetefromTn_> :D
[02:00:18] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Well,the furrydildo was a pretty good comeback for sure =)
[02:00:39] <PetefromTn_> thank you thank you I'm here most nights
[02:00:47] <Jymmm> heh
[02:01:09] <Jymmm> Argh, this firewood is killing me
[02:01:35] <PetefromTn_> hot much?
[02:02:05] <Jymmm> It's bene in the 30's last few days, had heavy rain for a full day.
[02:02:48] <Jymmm> The wood pile is damp as can be. And though I take off a couple days ahead it's not drying out as much as I'd like it to.
[02:02:50] <Sync> PetefromTn_: showing off his 3d cnc machined furrydildos
[02:03:37] <Jymmm> Yet, I have all this fucking heat being exhausted out the stove pipe that could dry out the entire wood pile and even help some of the green wood too. very very frustrating
[02:04:17] <PetefromTn_> hehe probably he sure loved bringing them up whenever he could sneak them into the conversation
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[02:04:23] <Jymmm> dry wood burns hotter and longer, so it's a very vicious circle.
[02:05:04] <Sync> then stack your wood around the pipe
[02:05:15] <PetefromTn_> do you have your wood stickered up
[02:05:27] <Jymmm> Sync: 20ft in the air?
[02:05:34] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: "stickered" ???
[02:05:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah stickered
[02:05:46] <Jymmm> ???
[02:05:52] <Jymmm> wtf does that mean?
[02:05:56] <Sync> well, is your stove 20 feet in the air?
[02:05:59] <AR_> sintered
[02:06:01] <PetefromTn_> IE put little strips of wood in between each log so air can circulate around it
[02:06:22] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: This is split firewood, not lumber
[02:06:27] <PetefromTn_> it is how you dry rough sawn wood
[02:06:38] <PetefromTn_> sure but the concept is the same really
[02:06:55] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I have almost 3 cords
[02:07:19] <PetefromTn_> when you stack them on top of each other moisture cannot escape and in fact you get a lot of mold etc if it sits long enough
[02:07:47] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: There's just no sun exposure and little air movement normally
[02:08:06] <Jymmm> and it's tarped too
[02:08:14] <PetefromTn_> ok
[02:08:20] <Jymmm> it's just wet up here
[02:08:32] <PetefromTn_> here people make long racks with roofs on them a lot to help with that
[02:08:34] <Jymmm> the ground hasn't even dried out from 3 days ago
[02:08:59] <Jymmm> Yeah, well I've only been here 4 months, new/learning experiance all around.
[02:09:10] <PetefromTn_> where are ya again?
[02:09:16] <Jymmm> NorCal
[02:09:22] <PetefromTn_> ah
[02:09:23] <_methods> in a pineapple under the sea
[02:09:27] <PetefromTn_> it does get cold there
[02:09:42] <Jymmm> especially at 3000ft =)
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[02:10:10] <PetefromTn_> I lived in Sacto and we used to run up to the mountains a lot to play in the snow/ski/snowboard
[02:10:23] <Jymmm> I'm just whining that all that heat is just wasted is all.
[02:10:57] <PetefromTn_> My friend here uses his wood burning stove to help heat his water, he has a bunch of copper pipe wrapped around it
[02:11:24] <PetefromTn_> he also has a big coil of black rubber hose on top of his deck roof that heats the pool water
[02:11:32] <Jymmm> I might just tarp the whole woodpile and build a fire on one end and let the smoke travel to the other end
[02:12:43] <jdh> get a propane heater to keep your wood warm and dry
[02:12:48] <Jymmm> lol
[02:12:56] <_methods> hahah
[02:13:00] <Jymmm> jdh: Gee, thanks! =)
[02:13:03] <PetefromTn_> I gotta buy another forced air heater for the shop
[02:13:07] <jdh> NP
[02:13:16] <PetefromTn_> my last one died and you azzholes could not help me fix it ;)
[02:13:21] <jdh> or, move someplace less miserable
[02:13:22] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I'm working on making a ammo can wood stove for the garage
[02:13:35] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah
[02:13:42] <PetefromTn_> that sounds cool
[02:13:56] <Jymmm> jdh: Oh, it's not miserable, quite pretty actually. Just frustrated at the vicious circle of wasted firewood
[02:14:10] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggX0J2KRLTo
[02:14:18] <jdh> having to burn trees to stay warm sounds miserable
[02:14:27] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE to put a woodburning stove in my house/shop but the really high roofline makes it near impossible without visually destroying the look of my house LOL
[02:14:57] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I'm making a portable one
[02:15:19] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: can use in a tent even
[02:15:28] <PetefromTn_> I enjoyed my thermostatically controlled kerosene forced air heater... it kicks ass
[02:15:40] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: at 20F ?
[02:15:58] <PetefromTn_> even in the dead of winter I could heat up the shop in like 20 minutes to a tolerable temp
[02:16:25] <Jymmm> lol, tolerable. This still shitty btw =)
[02:16:25] <PetefromTn_> then once it was warm enough I plug in the electric shop heater and it maintains it
[02:16:52] <PetefromTn_> tolerable to me is like at least 65 LOL
[02:17:05] <Jymmm> except whe the storm knock out the pole and theres no electicity for 4 days =)
[02:17:20] <PetefromTn_> I have a kerosene only heater for that
[02:17:28] <PetefromTn_> it works pretty good too
[02:17:30] <Jymmm> indoor use?
[02:17:42] <PetefromTn_> I have used it indoors with care before yeah
[02:17:59] <PetefromTn_> we lost power once during a winter storm
[02:17:59] <Jymmm> but its not rated for that is it?
[02:18:09] <PetefromTn_> trees fell on lines and power was out
[02:18:20] <PetefromTn_> we woke up and it was FREAKING cold in here
[02:18:40] <PetefromTn_> I don't know what it is rated for but we use it in an emergency
[02:18:49] <jdh> the last winter I lived in knoxville, we were iced in for 3 days
[02:19:09] <PetefromTn_> http://www.lowes.com/pd_93043-88644-RMC-95C6B_0__?k_clickID=af73f084-8e42-4793-bf57-e222f0e8a8dd&store_code=638&productId=3471481&selectedLocalStoreBeanArray=%5Bcom.lowes.commerce.storelocator.beans.LocatorStoreBean%402c722c72%5D&storeNumber=0638&kpid=3471481&cm_mmc=SCE_PLA-_-SeasonalLiving-_-PortableHeat-_-3471481%3ADyna-Glo&DM_PersistentCookieCreated=true&CAWELAID=&CAWELAID=1368089512
[02:19:12] <PetefromTn_> looks like that
[02:19:42] <Jymmm> " Safe indoor supplemental heating source "
[02:19:48] <PetefromTn_> works pretty good and is reasonably safe indoors
[02:20:03] <PetefromTn_> it kept us warm that night
[02:20:17] <PetefromTn_> and buddy it was freaking cold when we woke up
[02:20:47] <PetefromTn_> if you take care of it and keep it adjusted properly it actually burns pretty clean
[02:21:41] <Jymmm> I've had one of these for years http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=122001-51644-F232020&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=3353726&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1
[02:22:04] <PetefromTn_> does it work good
[02:22:10] <Jymmm> I connect it to 5gal tanks and have 4 tanks + 250gal tank int he back =)
[02:22:15] <Jymmm> excellent
[02:22:19] <Jymmm> indoor rated too
[02:22:39] <PetefromTn_> 9000 btu not bad for its size
[02:22:43] <Jymmm> you can use disposable canisters for extra portability
[02:23:02] <Jymmm> theres the big buddy too... http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=131258-51644-F274815&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=1132081&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1
[02:23:34] <Jymmm> I have about 14 of the 1gal disposable tanks and I just refill them.
[02:23:39] <PetefromTn_> the one I have is pretty big
[02:23:47] <PetefromTn_> it looks like R2d2 sitting there
[02:24:03] <PetefromTn_> but it puts out quite abit of heat
[02:24:25] <PetefromTn_> and with the metal fence shroud it is reasonably safe around the kids/dog
[02:24:36] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Here's the one I have and someone's hand for scale =) https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-Gz-bEu11Cg/maxresdefault.jpg
[02:24:53] <PetefromTn_> cool
[02:26:31] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: another for size/scale https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KKtyNndhS-I/maxresdefault.jpg
[02:26:45] <PetefromTn_> heh is that you?
[02:27:03] <Jymmm> nope, just google image search result
[02:30:21] <PetefromTn_> sure....
[02:30:45] <PetefromTn_> you know you are the one sportin' the eyelid earring
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[02:33:44] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, stack your wood in front of the fire
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[02:51:33] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-8-Sq-Shank-Threading-Tool-Lathe-CNC-Indexable-/401028083393?hash=item5d5f22eec1:g:PAIAAOSwQItT64g8 SUCKS or GREAT?
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[02:58:27] <PetefromTn_> trying to get tooled up here with the typical insert holders I think I will be needing.
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[03:01:15] <PetefromTn_> also what sort of parting off tools do you guys recommend for CNC lathe use?
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[03:21:56] <Mikesccn> I can not get linuxcnc to control the vfd on a gecko g540
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[03:22:53] <Roguish> PetefromTn_ :: you mentioned earlier you're in Sacto? Sacramento? what part?
[03:23:06] <Tom_itx> no where near Sacramento
[03:23:19] <Tom_itx> he's in Tn
[03:24:10] <Roguish> so there's a Sacto in Tn?
[03:24:24] <PetefromTn_> Roguish I used to live in Sacto
[03:24:42] <Roguish> ah, used to. ok. I'm in Walnut Creek
[03:24:47] <PetefromTn_> I was on McClellan AFB in the Coast Guard Air Station
[03:25:01] <PetefromTn_> my wife is from Elkhorn area
[03:25:48] <PetefromTn_> Mikesccn I believe there is a setup for the G540 somewhere but I am not terribly familiar with it.
[03:26:55] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Actually, I am.
[03:27:24] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: The clothes dryer vents under the back porch. It gets pretty warm under there.
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[03:28:48] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'm going to the hardware store later this week to get lumber/hinges so I can "hinge" the lattce work and roll under the garden wagon full of wood, apx 6sf.
[03:29:47] <Tom_itx> watch for termites
[03:30:10] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I spray all around the property =)
[03:31:01] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: From the wagon, I load up http://www.amazon.com/Whitmor-6307-1729-BLK-Rolling-Utility-Black/dp/B001DZ4RGE/ and park it next to the stove 12-48 hours before burning
[03:31:13] <Jymmm> I have another one of those coming Thursday
[03:31:25] <Mikesccn> Petefromtn I have been over the manual for days, it has to be between the software and the g540
[03:31:36] <Jymmm> I try to plan 3-4 days ahead for wood
[03:31:51] <PetefromTn_> that looks like something my grandma shops with
[03:31:51] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, pretty soon you'll be building a JT-Shop log splitter
[03:32:01] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, haha
[03:32:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Thos lil cartshelp dramatically as I've been using 5gal buckets to haul in wood.
[03:32:20] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: what's that?
[03:32:51] <PetefromTn_> Mikesccn there is some guys here recently that are using the G540 with mesa cards and there is a predone config for it is what I was referring to.
[03:32:59] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Yep, flea market carts
[03:33:46] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: But, it's all metal. LOTS of air flow, and I can park a load of wood on end 8" from the 400F stove =)
[03:33:51] <PetefromTn_> when we had our wood burning stove we loaded all the logs on the front porch behind the wall and I used my Bronco to move them around the yard LOL
[03:34:14] <PetefromTn_> Jymm I was just busting your chops man its fine kart
[03:34:37] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: No, it is a granny cart, but it works great for this.
[03:34:38] <PetefromTn_> ya know like when you told me my ram would not work!
[03:34:49] <PetefromTn_> you azzhole ;)
[03:34:54] <Jymmm> lmao
[03:35:00] <Mikesccn> Ia'm running the g540 and trying to get it to control the speed with a superPID, everything on the superPID works properly except the speed from the computer
[03:35:05] <Jymmm> But you deserved it
[03:35:21] <PetefromTn_> Oh most certainly
[03:35:25] <Jymmm> =)
[03:35:26] <PetefromTn_> for what I have NO IDEA
[03:35:48] <Jymmm> shit, if I wasn't so tired I'd quote you the log files =)
[03:36:41] <PetefromTn_> what so because I asked a lot of questions I deserve to get shit about it? Thats most of the people who come in here man!
[03:37:07] <Jymmm> No, because you asked, people told you, and you still doubted most of them
[03:37:07] <PetefromTn_> had to look up what a super PID is
[03:37:26] <PetefromTn_> what an azzhole I am huh
[03:37:43] <Jymmm> Nah, just a typical (L)user =)
[03:38:15] <Tom_itx> damn noobs
[03:38:23] <norias> bah
[03:38:28] <norias> i don't like turning copper
[03:38:33] <Tom_itx> haha
[03:38:42] <Tom_itx> find somebody that does
[03:38:50] <Tom_itx> stringy crap ehh?
[03:38:54] <PetefromTn_> so you are using this mach3 oriented speed controller and you wonder why you are having problems ;)
[03:38:55] <norias> eh, i'm mostly through the job
[03:39:06] <norias> hmm, it's not so much stringy as...
[03:39:08] <PetefromTn_> copper is hell with coolant
[03:39:18] <norias> it gets real hot
[03:39:29] <norias> the best thing, finish wise, i ever used as coolant for it
[03:39:34] <PetefromTn_> why?
[03:39:34] <norias> is actually way lube
[03:39:56] <norias> i was taking some wicked cuts
[03:39:56] <Mikesccn> the voltage on the output of the g540 does not change when I change the speed in linuxcnc
[03:39:58] <PetefromTn_> I have milled a good bit of copper and never saw any heat issues
[03:40:03] <norias> slowing down the lathe, etc
[03:40:08] <norias> oh, it mills great
[03:40:08] <Mikesccn> It just remains at 5V
[03:40:12] <norias> it turns like shit
[03:40:25] <PetefromTn_> Mikesccn what is it supposed to be outputting?
[03:40:28] <norias> no clue why
[03:40:49] <PetefromTn_> 0-10v?
[03:41:26] <Mikesccn> it should change between 0V and 5V as I change the speed in linuxcnc (if I have it right in my head that is).
[03:41:36] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: what is JT's log splitter?
[03:42:29] <PetefromTn_> Can be speed controlled from 0-5v external PC control source
[03:42:36] <Tom_itx> i can't find a pic of it
[03:42:41] <PetefromTn_> http://www.vhipe.com/product-private/SuperPID-Tech-Info-Support-FAQ-Downloads.htm
[03:43:26] <Mikesccn> Yes the super pid has a POT on it that I can use to control it manualy
[03:43:38] <Mikesccn> And that works fine
[03:45:08] <PetefromTn_> http://www.vhipe.com/product-private/SuperPID-v2_Instructions.pdf PG25
[03:46:02] <norias> superpid?
[03:46:04] <norias> whoa
[03:46:26] <norias> what's super about it?
[03:46:36] <PetefromTn_> its kinda cool actually
[03:46:42] <PetefromTn_> first I have seen it
[03:46:42] <Mikesccn> LOL
[03:47:05] <PetefromTn_> if you are setting up a CNC router with a wood router it would be nice I think. assuming it works
[03:47:11] <Mikesccn> it is just a way to control a normal router like a VFD
[03:47:26] <norias> ahh, ok
[03:47:28] <norias> hmm
[03:47:37] <Mikesccn> It is a wood router that I built
[03:49:05] <Mikesccn> I have read all of both of those pages a number of times, the drawing on the first page about half way down is what I am doing
[03:50:40] <Mikesccn> I beleive that I have something wrong when I use the stepconfig setup, but for the life of me I have not been able to figure it out.
[03:50:59] <norias> hmm.
[03:51:06] <PetefromTn_> I am not very familiar with the G540
[03:51:26] <PetefromTn_> but I would be looking at the signals going into it from the PC to make sure it is getting that first
[03:51:49] <norias> when ya'll are doing AC wiring
[03:52:01] <Mikesccn> I tried to join the forum on the linux cnc site and at the bottom is asks for a security code but it dosn't give a place to enter it?
[03:52:05] <norias> do you connect hot, ground or neutral first?
[03:52:05] <PetefromTn_> ya'll?
[03:52:13] <norias> and which is last?
[03:52:18] <Mikesccn> Ground
[03:52:21] <norias> or do you have no preffered order?
[03:52:29] <norias> why ground last?
[03:52:29] <Mikesccn> then neutral
[03:52:31] <Mikesccn> then hot
[03:52:37] <PetefromTn_> what difference does it make?
[03:52:42] <norias> oh, ground first
[03:52:43] <norias> hm
[03:53:01] <Mikesccn> ground first to if something goes wrong you will not be the main path to ground
[03:53:03] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: so when you shock the shit out of yourself, it has a path to ground =)
[03:53:10] <Mikesccn> I am a electircal contractor
[03:53:26] <duc> Doesn't matter. Now doing it hot is another story
[03:53:29] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: But for you, just LICK IT
[03:53:29] <PetefromTn_> you should never be hooking up AC wires that are hot anyway LO
[03:53:34] <norias> that's what i always kinda intuited
[03:53:38] <norias> do ground first
[03:53:46] <norias> to create a path of least resistane
[03:53:47] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: That depends
[03:53:50] <norias> thats not me
[03:53:59] <PetefromTn_> I know lick it right
[03:54:01] <PetefromTn_> smartass
[03:54:02] <norias> but my father in law was wiring our hot tub
[03:54:04] <Mikesccn> sucking on it will work better liking will not give you the full effect
[03:54:11] <norias> and.. he did it the opposite way
[03:54:20] <norias> so, i was curious
[03:54:21] <Jymmm> what Mikesccn said PetefromTn_
[03:54:32] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: So, SUCK IT BIOTCH!
[03:54:43] <PetefromTn_> :D
[03:54:48] <PetefromTn_> fucker
[03:55:03] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: At least I didn't get the wrong ram.
[03:55:18] <PetefromTn_> so nobody has any recommends on a parting off tool?
[03:55:38] <norias> parting is such sweet sorrow
[03:55:45] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I got a parting tool for ya ,,|,,
[03:55:50] <Jymmm> ;)
[03:55:51] <norias> i recommend doing it face to face
[03:55:55] <norias> not via text
[03:55:56] <norias> or email
[03:56:03] <duc> We use Iscar alot at work but relationship with rep may be some of that
[03:56:10] <PetefromTn_> droll soo droll
[03:56:21] <PetefromTn_> what type of iscar?
[03:56:28] <duc> I use kennemtal at home due to ebay
[03:56:29] <PetefromTn_> and are they worth a shit?
[03:56:31] <norias> what are you parting?
[03:56:38] <PetefromTn_> metal
[03:56:40] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[03:56:46] <norias> oh, good
[03:56:49] <PetefromTn_> and sometimes plastic
[03:56:50] <norias> that's so nice
[03:57:15] <norias> i kinda like thinbit
[03:57:21] <norias> eh. they make cool stuff
[03:57:29] <PetefromTn_> my wife made fresh oatmeal cookies and the house smells so nice now
[03:57:37] <PetefromTn_> thinbit?
[03:57:45] <duc> PentaIQ unless it's really big diameter
[03:58:00] <duc> Well over 1.5in diameter. Lol
[03:58:26] <PetefromTn_> hm
[03:58:31] <PetefromTn_> those are interesting
[03:58:41] <duc> On Friday I can ask our machinist
[03:59:25] <duc> When I will be back from travel
[03:59:27] <norias> i actually like the cheapo steel deals
[03:59:33] <norias> on a manual
[03:59:45] <PetefromTn_> http://www.iscar.com/Products.aspx/CountryID/1/ProductId/11887
[03:59:58] <duc> Will you have comp on for speeding up as it goes in
[03:59:59] <norias> seco is good, too
[04:00:13] <norias> most tool manufacturers make a reasonable parting tool
[04:00:18] <PetefromTn_> sure CSS
[04:01:11] <duc> Norias. Yea. Kennamental can suck my **** for milling tools but lathe tools are good
[04:01:31] <PetefromTn_> two air france flights from the US to Paris have been diverted due to some sort of threat
[04:01:59] <PetefromTn_> Thats good to hear because I just bought several kennametal tool holders for the lathe
[04:02:35] <duc> Do you have a top notch tool holder yet?
[04:02:48] <PetefromTn_> top notch?
[04:03:04] <PetefromTn_> I probably can't afford top notch stuff LOL
[04:03:05] <Mikesccn> good night
[04:03:10] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 mike
[04:03:18] <norias> you don't need it
[04:03:35] <PetefromTn_> is that a quality level or a brand name
[04:03:41] <norias> well, eh. depends.
[04:03:44] <Mikesccn> going to go beat my head againt the wall for awhile and see if anything comes out
[04:03:57] <PetefromTn_> probably some blood
[04:03:58] <norias> i do most of my turning on a manual
[04:04:02] <norias> so. eh.
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[04:04:20] <duc> It's a type of threading insert and grooving
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[04:04:55] <duc> Allows for more variation in inserts with same tool.
[04:05:13] <PetefromTn_> I have two kennametal holders now
[04:05:56] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/3nOi0yZ.jpg
[04:06:02] <duc> And shit loads on ebay. I also use a manual lathe at home. Left handed threading tools rock for inside threading if you can reverse rotation the chuck. Allows for threading away from chuck
[04:06:14] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/VlPkFpT.jpg
[04:06:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but I probably missed one earlier LOL
[04:07:08] <duc> Never used the first type but I think I have the second pic
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[04:07:38] <duc> I can admit I'm not a machinist but have a addiction for tools and access to machinists
[04:08:04] * Wolf_Mill likes tools and hates having money...
[04:09:06] <Wolf_Mill> much want this thing after seeing it today http://i.imgur.com/38lRPE1.jpg
[04:09:12] <duc> Lol. I hide the true cost of tools from the wife
[04:09:57] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/IFkX9nc
[04:10:16] <PetefromTn_> that is the one I am talking about
[04:10:29] <norias> hah. mag dril
[04:10:41] <duc> Wolf_Mill: snag one of the puppies when we moved a plant. Think it was a hougens
[04:10:57] <Wolf_Mill> cordless, brushless motor
[04:11:29] <PetefromTn_> well its already sold so too late.
[04:11:38] <PetefromTn_> heh well Gn8 folks
[04:11:48] <duc> PetefromTn_: that is a top notch style. Kennamental has probably 80 different inserts for it
[04:11:56] <duc> Night
[04:11:58] <PetefromTn_> oh really
[04:12:02] <duc> Yea
[04:12:15] <PetefromTn_> I passed because it was LH
[04:12:34] <PetefromTn_> probably should have grabbed it
[04:12:40] <duc> I would get a RH for a cnc I think
[04:12:47] <PetefromTn_> it was $45 with six inserts
[04:12:55] <Wolf_Mill> low profile hougen mag drill is nice but propritary cutters kinda suck
[04:13:04] <duc> I have no balls for blind shoulder threading
[04:13:42] <duc> Wolf_Mill: got a drill chuck with mine and can use angular cutters also
[04:13:56] <PetefromTn_> annular?
[04:14:11] <duc> Beefy hole saw
[04:14:22] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know what it is
[04:14:27] <PetefromTn_> you said angular
[04:14:31] <Wolf_Mill> starts with a A ends with lar, close enough :P
[04:14:33] <duc> Yea. I suck at spelling on cell phone
[04:14:43] <PetefromTn_> ok gn8
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[04:15:01] <duc> I'm out also.
[04:15:03] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm Gn8 Azzhole!
[04:15:07] <Wolf_Mill> that one I linked the pic of is cordless
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[04:15:30] <norias> i want some angular cutters
[04:15:36] <Wolf_Mill> pretty nuts where some of the tech is getting to, I like it
[04:16:06] <norias> what tehc?
[04:16:59] <Wolf_Mill> battery, smd control boards + brushless motors in cordless power tools finally
[04:17:07] <norias> ahh
[04:17:14] <norias> i don't like cordless power tools
[04:17:21] <norias> i have a distinct aversion to them
[04:17:39] <Wolf_Mill> I have ones now that beat corded tools in performance
[04:18:55] <norias> i used to be involved in designing batteries
[04:19:01] <norias> and worked with battery researchers
[04:19:10] <norias> i treat all batteries with deep suspicion
[04:20:04] <Wolf_Mill> well, I'm willing to bet that most of the milwaukee battery packs for the m18 line are just 18650 cells lol
[04:27:10] <Wolf_Mill> so far the 3 tools I have and used that have brushless motors in them have impressed me. Havent tried the new addition yet
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[06:27:18] <jesseg> Tom_itx, ahh thanks. (regarding repeating N numbers.) I don't think it was a hand-edit caused problem. The file was generated by some version of Mastercam (by a friend) and the file has 25k lines. Further examination shows that the highest N number used is N9998 (Only even N numbers are used.) N numbers count from 100 up to 9998 in steps of 2, then start over. I guess there's a maximum number limit ;) Harmless enough I guess. N numbers are ignored, right?
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[11:02:23] <XXCoder> geez
[11:02:30] <XXCoder> kickstarter on titanium cups
[11:02:55] <XXCoder> it says Ti does not tint taste. ok. lol
[11:03:06] <XXCoder> I don't think glass does that either
[11:03:50] <XXCoder> oh it comes with Ti straw too
[11:04:13] <XXCoder> And Ti cooling stones
[11:04:53] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/207887451/true-taste-titanium-cup-and-package?ref=home_popular if curious lol
[11:05:44] <ReadError> kickstarter more like kickscammer
[11:05:51] <XXCoder> sometimes
[11:05:56] <XXCoder> sometimes its awesome
[11:09:44] <XXCoder> ReadError: I helped bring reading rainbow back
[11:09:47] <XXCoder> I loved that show
[11:10:08] <ReadError> lol used to watch that in elementary school
[11:10:16] <XXCoder> I paid for 0.001% of it lol (wild guess, probably much lower)
[11:10:26] <ReadError> and BILL NYE THE SCIENCE GUY
[11:10:39] <XXCoder> did bull nye have a kickstarter to restart show?
[11:10:48] <ReadError> not that i know of
[11:10:55] <XXCoder> oh lol ok
[11:10:59] <XXCoder> yeah I loved bill nye!
[11:12:11] <XXCoder> I decided to back mystery science theater 3000
[11:12:24] <XXCoder> I didnt watch that show but hey they had high quality captions!
[11:12:51] <XXCoder> and his video is really funny.
[11:12:53] <ReadError> i think chris hansen had a kickstarter
[11:13:02] <ReadError> to bring back catch a predator
[11:13:23] <XXCoder> think I watched that, meh
[11:14:37] <ReadError> would have been better if a bonus perk was kimbo slice was waiting for them
[11:18:07] <XXCoder> no idea who that is
[11:19:14] <ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHA3TLu1Hms
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[11:20:17] <XXCoder> the tougher guy?
[11:20:26] <ReadError> big guy with the beard
[11:20:58] <XXCoder> which is both. but yeah understand who you mean lol
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[11:37:26] <XXCoder> jeeeeez
[11:37:29] <XXCoder> ReadError: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adamleeb/hemingwrite-a-distraction-free-digital-typewriter/description
[11:37:36] <XXCoder> just get a kindle, hack it
[11:37:45] <XXCoder> OTG and done
[11:38:51] <XXCoder> even better? get arudino, eink screen good battery pack and 3d print a case
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[11:42:12] <jthornton> there we go, had to reset the satellite router
[11:42:21] <XXCoder> wb
[11:42:42] <XXCoder> me and read was chatting about weird kickstarter stuff
[11:42:48] <XXCoder> and I found this
[11:42:56] <norias> ?
[11:42:59] <jthornton> been off line since 18:30 local
[11:43:00] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adamleeb/hemingwrite-a-distraction-free-digital-typewriter/description
[11:43:45] <ReadError> lol 350$ gtfo
[11:43:52] <XXCoder> indeed
[11:44:07] <ReadError> I love how people put a 'donate $5' thing, when they are trying to make money selling a product
[11:44:11] <XXCoder> you can get eink screen and arudino, buy a 3d printer, print a case
[11:44:18] <XXCoder> and still sneak under that price
[11:44:23] <XXCoder> you can then print lots more stuff
[11:45:02] <XXCoder> ReadError: sometimes donate $5 or something is awesome if I dont need stuff but I think concept is awesome
[11:45:21] <XXCoder> definitely not in that case though lol
[11:48:15] * norias stretches.
[11:48:21] <norias> Time to make the robots.
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[11:56:37] <XXCoder> check this out
[11:56:48] <XXCoder> timing makes it look like its moving very slowly lol https://youtu.be/VITQnHJnhFs?t=1102
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[11:59:36] <XXCoder> I wonder if that trick can be delberately done as an aid
[12:00:03] <XXCoder> makes it easier to do tricky stuff like when stock isnt round
[12:05:41] <malcom2073> Yeah, but would the kind of people who do wood turning really be into that kind of technology? :P
[12:05:58] <XXCoder> probably not. not too sure how it would be done
[12:06:07] <XXCoder> would have to be googles thing I guess
[12:06:09] <malcom2073> Adjustable framerate camera maybe?
[12:06:12] <XXCoder> yeah
[12:06:17] <malcom2073> Have it auto-adjust with an encoder on the spindle
[12:06:32] <XXCoder> with plus or minus
[12:06:37] <XXCoder> so it can slowly rotate
[12:08:51] <archivist_herron> that is just aliasing so it appears slow
[12:09:34] <XXCoder> with correct fps, water drip and speaker you can make water waves in air
[12:09:37] <XXCoder> that stand still
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[12:18:18] <XXCoder> one of best I ever seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAe2kIVJ0QI
[12:18:23] <XXCoder> so much work though
[12:20:26] <XXCoder> funny thing is when its spinning it looks like fairly plain mottled wood
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[12:32:30] <Tom_itx> jesseg, yes they're ignored by the machine, just not the operator :)
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[12:34:20] * jthornton gets to bend the trim to wrap the garage doors this morning!
[12:34:48] <Tom_itx> 40�F
[12:34:57] <Tom_itx> better get busy, winter is coming
[12:35:06] <jthornton> 54F here
[12:35:23] <Tom_itx> up to 20 inches of snow reported in NW Kansas
[12:35:26] <XXCoder> winter is coming
[12:35:35] <jthornton> I wish I could make the degree symbol on linux computer alt 248 doesn't work lol
[12:35:47] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: it actually snowed a little north of here
[12:35:53] <XXCoder> snow this early is not common
[12:36:01] <XXCoder> too bad about polar votex
[12:36:10] <Tom_itx> i've been trick or treating in snow
[12:36:22] <Tom_itx> not that often though
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[12:41:19] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: heard that record temperate difference in shortest distance was around few feet and over 50 degrees
[12:41:25] <XXCoder> from snow cold to shorts
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[12:48:57] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXcZ5PcjfTU dang
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[13:28:33] <lair82> Good Morning Gentleman, I have a question, I am installing a new servo drive from Automation direct, and it is rated at 13.6 amps, and I was wondering if I could use a small IEC contactor rated at 18 amps for the main infeed for the drive?
[13:29:53] <archivist> check peak currents for both
[13:35:48] <archivist> burnt out connectors is one of the faults I have come across more than once
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[13:42:27] <lair82> I can't find anything relating to peak current on the contactor although I do see a make/break current of 216/180 respectively, the drive says 87A for main circuit inrush current,
[13:45:05] <archivist> inrush should only ever be switched by the contactor so the connector does carry it but should be fully inserted at the time
[13:48:35] <lair82> So I should be ok then?
[13:49:18] <archivist> the makers aught to have dome data
[13:49:56] <lair82> I just put an inquiry into AD, I will see what they say
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[13:50:18] <archivist> this is one of those things where, run light lasts forever, run hard may or may not last
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[13:58:05] <lair82> I'm looking at the physical contactor now, it says Continuous Current 25A, 5KA 600V, Max Fuse 50A, Max CB 40A, 5HP at 220-240 3PH
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[14:12:51] <Jymmm> (NSFW) PROOF! There is a gawd... http://imgur.com/a/noybG
[14:15:30] <lair82> That was pretty nice Jymmm
[14:15:42] <Jymmm> =)
[14:18:36] <lair82> hell of a way to start the day ;)
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[15:18:26] <JT-Shop> got all my wraps bent up
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[15:19:37] <SpeedEvil> Now I want wraps.
[15:19:50] <SpeedEvil> I shall make do with curry.
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[15:50:43] <automata> hi
[15:51:31] <automata> have a touchscreen that has a quirk, the ABS_X value gets reported as ABS_Z and ABS_Y value gets reported as ABS_RX
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[15:53:10] <automata> To solve this, it seems the best solution is to re-compile the usbhid.ko kernel module with modifications to the files: drivers/hid/hid-ids.h | 3 +++
[15:53:10] <automata> drivers/hid/usbhid/hid-quirks.c | 1 +
[15:53:19] <automata> as per: https://lkml.org/lkml/2009/12/3/4
[15:54:01] <automata> I am currently using the Wheezy compiled kernel: uname -a
[15:54:01] <automata> Linux WheezyCNC 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.4.55-4linuxcnc i686 GNU/Linux
[15:55:03] <automata> any ideas on how to compile usbhid.ko .. maybe without building the whole kernel again?
[15:56:15] <automata> I am trying to download the kernel source using: sudo apt-get source linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae
[15:56:32] <automata> not sure what to do after that though
[15:57:18] <automata> the source package is being fetched from the http://linuxcnc.org/ wheezy/base
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[16:04:45] <automata> tried a simple make command in the linux-3.4.55 directory the source package created
[16:05:37] <automata> error is it cannot find a config file
[16:06:18] <automata> which would I find a config file used for te original kernel?
[16:06:30] <automata> *where not which
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[16:07:22] <automata> hello
[16:08:18] <anomynous_> automata, download src for the kernel you are running'
[16:08:22] <anomynous_> it probably includes it
[16:08:57] <automata> i downloaded the source using apt-get source linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae
[16:09:18] <automata> and that does nto seem to have the .config file in it
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[16:09:48] <anomynous_> then idk.
[16:11:47] <automata> thanks though
[16:11:49] <anomynous_> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/123026/where-kernel-configuration-file-is-stored suggests it might be in /boot/
[16:12:05] <automata> looking now
[16:12:27] <anomynous_> you probably know, but you need a switch for ls to see dotfiles
[16:12:36] <anomynous_> "a" switch
[16:12:42] <automata> found a config-3.4-9-rta-686-pae file there
[16:15:09] <automata> copied it to .config in the linux-3.4.55 directory and started the compile
[16:15:26] <automata> it has started compiling!!
[16:17:11] <automata> I have added the usbhid patch from https://lkml.org/lkml/2009/12/3/4
[16:17:44] <automata> will try to just copy over the usbhid.ko file to the running kernel and try to reboot
[16:17:52] <automata> hopefully it shoudl work
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[16:32:10] <automata> in the downloaded kernel tree, I have copied the /boot/config-3.4-9-rta-686-pae as .config file
[16:32:46] <automata> after that I have run make in the linux-3.4.55 directory. That is taking an awfully long time (probably as expected)
[16:32:56] <automata> beyond that I am going to run make modules
[16:33:47] <automata> hopefully that will give me an updated usbhid.ko module which I can copy over to a running kernel and things should work
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[17:08:13] <automata> would any part of usbhid.ko need to be a part of the initrd image for booting?
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[17:20:54] <gonzo_> any HAL experts heere, able to answer some pwmgen questions?
[17:24:14] <automata> I can try
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[18:19:45] <maxcnc> gonzo_ on spindel or servos
[18:20:37] <maxcnc> automata: why not the live CD install
[18:21:26] <gonzo_nb> eve maxcnc
[18:21:33] <gonzo_nb> servos
[18:21:46] <maxcnc> sorry i got no servos in use at all
[18:22:06] <gonzo_nb> trying to understand how to set params on the pwmgen pins
[18:22:51] <gonzo_nb> it's probably a lower level question that is common to both implimentations
[18:23:18] <maxcnc> did you got this http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PWM_Servo_Amplifiers
[18:23:38] <gonzo_nb> nope, will look
[18:23:40] <gonzo_nb> ta
[18:25:00] <gonzo_nb> interstting doc, recon I'll ned that later
[18:25:21] <gonzo_nb> but I'm struggling with just basic i/o config/hal
[18:25:37] <maxcnc> there id might help
[18:26:21] <automata> gonzo: are u using pwmgen module with a parallel port or with an outboard FPGA card?
[18:26:22] <maxcnc> first your main problem is
[18:26:39] <gonzo_nb> mesa 7i90 card
[18:26:54] <gonzo_nb> two issues... first:
[18:27:32] <gonzo_nb> the docs suggest that there is a pin specific param, in the pwmgen, invert_output
[18:28:23] <gonzo_nb> if i do setp hm2_ blah blah .pwmgen.00.pwm.invert_output 1
[18:28:41] <gonzo_nb> I get an error that the pin/param is unknown
[18:29:08] <gonzo_nb> trying to work out how to reference the pin by name
[18:29:10] <automata> can you run halcmd?
[18:29:23] <maxcnc> .invert_output true
[18:29:33] <maxcnc> not 1
[18:29:41] <gonzo_nb> give me a clue where that is
[18:29:48] <gonzo_nb> tried true also
[18:29:52] <automata> if so, can you share output of #halcmd show param hm2_
[18:30:39] <automata> are you running linuxcnc with directly fromt he install CD or have you compiled it for run in place?
[18:30:52] <gonzo_nb> give me a clue how to get to halcmd, save me having to go away and read up
[18:30:56] <gonzo_nb> installed
[18:31:21] <automata> then open a shell and type halcmd
[18:31:29] <gonzo_nb> rr stby
[18:31:30] <automata> it is already installed
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[18:32:59] <maxcnc> automata: i think he dident enable the pwm at all so there is nothing running that coudt be inverted
[18:33:39] <automata> i agree ... that is why we should check the output of show pin and show param
[18:34:07] <automata> that will give an idea of whether the modules are inserted
[18:34:19] <maxcnc> net x-enable axis.0.amp-enable-out =>hm2_7i90.0.pwmgen.00.enable
[18:34:40] <automata> gonzo_nb: also check output of dmesg.
[18:35:00] <automata> all the pins created by the hostmot2 module will be listed there
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[18:35:47] <g0nzo_cnc> ok fire
[18:36:28] <automata> can you runthe command dmesg in a shell?
[18:37:27] <pcw_home> pwmgen.xx.pwm.invert_output is only available in master
[18:37:42] <automata> hi pcw
[18:37:49] <pcw_home> hi
[18:37:49] <automata> good morning
[18:37:53] <gonzo_> can do, but nowt in there till I load hostmot2 ?
[18:38:28] <gonzo_> what are you refering to as the master?
[18:39:18] <pcw_home> the master version of linuxcnc the feature of module pine attribute aliases was only added in the last month or so
[18:39:33] <pcw_home> s/pine/pin/
[18:39:47] <gonzo_> ah, that could be an issue
[18:40:07] <gonzo_> would my syntax have been correct then?
[18:40:12] <gonzo_> setp hm2_ blah pwmgen.00.pwm.invert_output 1
[18:40:15] <pcw_home> for anything earlier you need to change the GPIO pin attribute
[18:40:55] <gonzo_> can I use the gpio numbers even if that pins are assigned to gens?
[18:40:57] <pcw_home> (first figuring out which GPIO pin the PWM output is on)
[18:41:19] <pcw_home> yes for setting attributes or reading the output state
[18:41:47] <g0nzo_cnc> I did try:]setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.007.invert_output 1
[18:41:51] <anomynous> what kind of steel could handle ocean water without rusting?
[18:41:53] <pcw_home> the aliases make this nicer but were only added recently
[18:42:17] <pcw_home> that will work if its the correct pin
[18:42:19] <g0nzo_cnc> but I assume that the fn invert_output doesn;t exist for gpio pins
[18:42:33] <pcw_home> it does
[18:42:56] <g0nzo_cnc> even in the earlier releases?
[18:43:08] <pcw_home> since about 2005
[18:43:25] <g0nzo_cnc> so recent addition is the pin alias in the pwmgen?
[18:43:35] <pcw_home> yes thats all
[18:43:51] <g0nzo_cnc> ok. Ta
[18:43:53] <pcw_home> (to clean up hal files)
[18:44:33] <g0nzo_cnc> I did try the line above ( .gpio.007.) but that also gave the error, on the pin/param not being found
[18:44:57] <g0nzo_cnc> (using the 7i90 demo servo hal script)
[18:45:37] <g0nzo_cnc> [13301.559811] hm2/hm2_7i90.0: IO Pin 007 (P1-15): PWMGen #0, pin Out0 (PWM or Up) (Output)
[18:46:59] <pcw_home> probably a typo
[18:47:00] <pcw_home> best thing is to list all the pins/params
[18:47:02] <pcw_home> and copy paste from this list
[18:48:00] <g0nzo_cnc> it needed true. Now runs up without error
[18:48:15] <g0nzo_cnc> also the motor does not come up full speed
[18:48:34] <pcw_home> bbl
[18:48:57] <g0nzo_cnc> reading about pwmgen in mode 1 (pwm and dir), the docs mention that the pwm is -ve and +ve
[18:49:15] <g0nzo_cnc> I assume that meands that 50% duty is motor stop?
[18:49:31] <g0nzo_cnc> ok, thanks peter, catch you later
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[18:53:25] <anomynous> i dunno what i machined today ;D it was some acid proof stuff i had to slow down to 50m/min with. With inserts that can handle another acid proof grade at 150m/min. Some other round inserts meant for tool steel died after one part at that speed.
[18:54:06] <JT-Shop> shop door wrapped and trimmed out... banana pickle time
[18:54:28] <anomynous> whhaaaat?
[18:54:44] <anomynous> boss just said he forgot to say about it
[19:00:53] <maxcnc> JT-Shop: are you the man how did the thcup comp in the linuxcnc docs
[19:01:48] <JT-Shop> yea, I did the docs too
[19:02:10] <maxcnc> question on speed is this in mashine units
[19:05:20] <maxcnc> thcud.correction-vel mm/min or the mm/s²
[19:05:37] <maxcnc> ir inch /min on mashine units
[19:05:43] <JT-Shop> IIRC that is in cycles
[19:05:44] <maxcnc> the doc is not clear about
[19:05:58] <JT-Shop> so start with a real tiny number
[19:06:21] <maxcnc> i have to use 0.001 thats why i need to alsk
[19:08:58] <JT-Shop> I have a slightly different version and I'm using 0.00003
[19:09:25] <maxcnc> ;.)
[19:09:45] * JT-Shop notices that the break minute has passed
[19:10:06] <maxcnc> coffee all the time on side
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[19:13:27] <Jymmm> Are those $100 wire fed 110V welders are good?
[19:14:26] <Wolf_> works wonderful probably. as a paper weight or door stop
[19:16:27] <Jymmm> Yeah, that doens't help any
[19:19:19] <Wolf_> what amp? port for gas feed?
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[19:27:30] <duc> If you have a quick job in a area that may damage your welder
[19:27:32] <Jymmm> no gas, household 110V outlet
[19:27:45] <duc> Like roof for swamp cooler repair
[19:28:25] <Jymmm> damage?
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[19:31:38] <duc> If it fell off the roof. Lol
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[19:34:30] <Jymmm> oh, heh. Nah, it remain on the ground
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[19:35:53] <Jymmm> Just didn't know if they could do 1/4" 1/8" 16ga as I see a duty cycle to them
[19:36:06] <Wolf_> …
[19:36:17] <Wolf_> thats why I asked what the amp output was
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[19:36:54] <archivist> go on a welding course before you get it
[19:37:36] <Wolf_> my cheap mig welder was $1500
[19:37:46] <Wolf_> so $100 screams quality to me
[19:37:53] <archivist> I only have a stick machine
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[19:39:23] <Jymmm> I was thinking homedepot, but... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOa0MCjHKC8
[19:40:09] <Jymmm> I've never welded, so no clue
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[19:40:28] <archivist> that is why I say go get some training
[19:40:30] <Wolf_> http://www.harborfreight.com/90-Amp-AC-120-Volt-Flux-Cored-Welder-61849.html?ccdenc=eyJjb2RlIjoiODQ5MzUwNjAiLCJza3UiOiI2MTg0OSIsImlzIjoiOTkuOTkiLCJwcm9kdWN0X2lk%0D%0AIjoiMTA1NzEifQ%3D%3D%0D%0A that?
[19:40:36] <Jymmm> archivist: Good advice, but it's going to be school of hard knocks training =)
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[19:41:00] <archivist> school of birdshit welding
[19:41:04] <Wolf_> haha 20% duty cycle
[19:41:23] <Jymmm> Yeah, suck duty cycle
[19:41:26] <Wolf_> means you can weld for 2mins out of 10mins
[19:41:48] <archivist> weld 5 it cuts out wait.....
[19:41:49] <Jymmm> they have a few at HD too
[19:42:20] <Jymmm> Well, I cna buy 5 and get 100% duty cycle =)
[19:43:01] <Jymmm> anyhow, can those do 1/4" steel plate?
[19:43:16] <Jymmm> lets say a repair
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[19:43:25] <Wolf_> no
[19:43:27] <archivist> I had a welder for my 21ts, I was useless at it, went and got a trainee welder job, got trained at someones expense :)
[19:44:00] <Wolf_> sheet comes with says 18 ga to 3/16”
[19:44:10] <Wolf_> but I wouldnt trust it on 3/16
[19:44:17] <Jymmm> archivist: Neighbor welds for a living, so I have a lil help there
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[19:44:44] <archivist> just give him some beers and get him to do whatever
[19:45:17] <Jymmm> archivist: I need to learn this shit, even if it's the hard way
[19:45:19] <archivist> I then moved on to mig and aluminium
[19:45:42] <archivist> and the fun of arc eye
[19:45:48] <Wolf_> if you don’t know how to weld, you will just learn to do it wtong
[19:45:53] <Wolf_> wrong*
[19:46:49] <archivist> it takes me a day after I have not done it a while to get back to slag curling
[19:46:54] <Jymmm> I'll take my chances, thanks
[19:47:32] <Wolf_> I don’t know much about welding, only cert TIG, and trained in mig and stick
[19:48:15] <archivist> I was in production after 3 weeks training
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[20:59:15] <_methods> man just mention around some norcal meth heads your lookin for a welder on the cheepz
[20:59:25] <_methods> i'm sure one will be in your driveway tomorrow lol
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[22:01:38] <PetefromTn_> I gotta laugh at people who post something on craigslist for a ridiculously high price and let it sit there for months on end hoping someone will buy it. My local Cragislist is full of that stuff. Many of the items are actually priced HIGHER than they were available for new!
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[22:02:57] <malcom2073> Hey, if you don't *have* to get rid of it... why not?
[22:03:53] <PetefromTn_> well believe me I am ALL FOR making a buck and have using craigslist many times in the past but I at least TRY to price my stuff so it has a chance in hell of selling in a reasonable time frame
[22:06:24] <malcom2073> I've got some items that I stick on there and just repost every two months
[22:06:32] <malcom2073> Occasionally lowering the price a bit, but otherwise, meh, it's free
[22:07:08] <PetefromTn_> maybe I am just whining for no reason I suppose...
[22:07:22] <PetefromTn_> at the end of the day it IS free
[22:07:31] <malcom2073> I guess your complaint is that it clutters stuff up?
[22:07:33] <malcom2073> Makes stuff harder to find
[22:07:45] <malcom2073> Look at it this way: Harder stuff is to find, the better deals there will be?
[22:07:45] <PetefromTn_> and there are plenty of shitheads that will pay stupid prices for things because they are stupid..
[22:08:15] <PetefromTn_> I just find that
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[22:08:21] <PetefromTn_> when I am searching for something
[22:08:45] <PetefromTn_> I watch for specific things and frequently update the search
[22:09:04] <malcom2073> Just the fact that you're on IRC and are computer savvy... means you're by no means the norm :P
[22:09:16] <PetefromTn_> and people have the same thing for sale for MONTHS on end and they don't even think about dropping the price or adding more photos or something to help get it sold.
[22:10:03] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073 Calling me Computer savvy is an awful strech ;)
[22:10:20] <malcom2073> I work in IT... trust me, you're savvy
[22:10:39] <Sync> haha PetefromTn_
[22:10:43] * Jymmm never trusts anyone who says "Trust me"
[22:10:44] <Sync> it is the same here
[22:11:04] <PetefromTn_> It gets old Is all I am saying
[22:11:07] <Wolf_> lol, working in IT, if the user can find the powerswitch they are tech savvy
[22:11:13] <PetefromTn_> for instance
[22:11:19] <PetefromTn_> there is a guy here selling a Fiero GT
[22:11:24] <PetefromTn_> its kind of a piece of shit
[22:11:35] <PetefromTn_> and he is asking like $6k for it
[22:11:38] <malcom2073> Fieros are hot shit though, people who want them, *REALLY* want them
[22:11:41] <Jymmm> Wolf_: not find, but USE power switch
[22:11:44] <PetefromTn_> it is probably worth maybe 500 bucks
[22:12:00] <PetefromTn_> but he keeps reposting it for the $6k
[22:12:11] <malcom2073> You're looking at it like a car, it's not a car
[22:12:12] <PetefromTn_> I want to reach thru the screen and slap the crap out of him LOL
[22:12:16] <malcom2073> It's a passion
[22:12:38] <PetefromTn_> no this is not a car it is a heap of shit in the yard with grass growing thru the hood ;)
[22:12:59] <malcom2073> You do know, that things are worth different amounts, to different people, yeah? :P
[22:13:07] <malcom2073> Like, actual value
[22:13:35] <SpeedEvil> Car is a variable state, depending on how much you like welding and cutting.
[22:17:18] <_methods> weren't fiero's like $6k new
[22:17:34] <_methods> those things were such turdmobiles
[22:17:48] <_methods> the glove box was great for warming up your lunch though
[22:18:00] <_methods> put your lunch in there and go for a ride, bewm hot lunch
[22:18:44] <PetefromTn_> I guess if you say so
[22:18:50] <PetefromTn_> I have had several
[22:18:59] <_methods> fiero's?
[22:18:59] <PetefromTn_> quite enjoyed them
[22:19:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[22:19:10] <_methods> you actually like them?
[22:19:20] <PetefromTn_> more like love em
[22:19:27] <Deejay> gn8
[22:19:27] <_methods> wow
[22:19:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah wow
[22:19:34] <_methods> you made Deejay leave
[22:19:47] <_methods> all that fiero nonsense lol
[22:19:47] <Deejay> haha
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[22:20:39] <_methods> heheh
[22:20:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah well I can understand if you don't like them
[22:20:52] <PetefromTn_> They are a niche car
[22:20:57] <_methods> definitely
[22:21:00] <PetefromTn_> there's plenty of cars I would not own
[22:21:04] <_methods> i knew a guy that had like 4 edsels
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[22:23:12] <_methods> i don't really care about cars honestly
[22:23:24] <_methods> to me they are a way to get from point a to point b
[22:23:57] <PetefromTn_> I honestly have always been a fan of cars that nobody else seems to like
[22:24:09] <PetefromTn_> for instance I am a Huge fan of the suzuki samurai.
[22:24:17] <PetefromTn_> have owned quite a few of them
[22:24:20] <_methods> i guess so guy fiero
[22:24:35] <PetefromTn_> most people say they are barbie jeeps
[22:24:42] <PetefromTn_> and wanna be jeeps etc. etc. etc.
[22:24:43] <_methods> hah the samurai's were kinda cool except for the whole tipping over thing
[22:24:50] <PetefromTn_> exactly
[22:25:14] <Sync> they are cool cars
[22:25:15] <PetefromTn_> I must say that of all the cars I have owned the most fun was had in both the Fiero's and the samurai's///
[22:25:53] <Sync> 2.6l 99kW :D
[22:25:54] <Sync> wow
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[22:25:58] <Sync> such hp/l
[22:26:00] <PetefromTn_> but as I said I am a wierdo
[22:26:15] <PetefromTn_> whats 2.6l?
[22:27:35] <_methods> that pontiac aztec thing was pretty ugly
[22:27:48] <_methods> i put that up there with miata's and fieros
[22:28:03] <PetefromTn_> heh you don't like the miata either then
[22:28:14] <_methods> no i think they're embarassing
[22:28:23] <_methods> unless you're a teen age girl
[22:28:31] <PetefromTn_> thats kinda funny because it happens to be one of the most loved and modified cars ever made
[22:28:44] <Sync> PetefromTn_: the engine capacity
[22:28:53] <PetefromTn_> Sync of what?
[22:29:02] <Sync> the v6 in the fiero
[22:29:09] <PetefromTn_> it was 2.5
[22:29:13] <PetefromTn_> v6
[22:29:25] <PetefromTn_> same that came in most of the Chevy S10 trucks
[22:29:36] <PetefromTn_> and yeah it was not known for lots of HP
[22:29:37] <Sync> 2.5 4banger and 2.8 v6
[22:29:48] <PetefromTn_> sorry that is correct
[22:29:49] <PetefromTn_> 2.8
[22:29:53] <PetefromTn_> not 2.6
[22:30:12] <PetefromTn_> the 2.5 was called the iron duke
[22:30:17] <Sync> lol 4.5k redline
[22:30:20] <Sync> what a pos
[22:30:23] <PetefromTn_> yup
[22:30:26] <PetefromTn_> like I said
[22:30:33] <PetefromTn_> it was not known for high HP
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[22:30:43] <PetefromTn_> but neither were a lot of cars made at the time
[22:30:55] <PetefromTn_> the Corvette only had like 250hp in those years
[22:31:04] <_methods> those were dark days
[22:31:10] <_methods> mustang II............
[22:31:11] <PetefromTn_> the mustang was only 220
[22:31:14] <_methods> broncoII
[22:31:17] <_methods> ugh
[22:31:23] <PetefromTn_> mustang 2 was much earlier
[22:31:39] <_methods> still that whole era was turd central
[22:32:07] <PetefromTn_> that was when our goverment decided to cripple people with taxes if your car had any sort of HP
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[22:32:22] <PetefromTn_> still I love the Fiero
[22:32:27] <PetefromTn_> it was an interesting car
[22:32:34] <PetefromTn_> and its is tons of fun to drive
[22:32:36] <_methods> hahah that's one way to put it
[22:32:50] <_methods> how many other mid engine cars are there
[22:33:00] <_methods> the list isn't exactly long is it?
[22:33:19] <PetefromTn_> ya know every time I parked it or went to the gas station in it I ALWAYS had to have a 20 minute conversation about it with a complete stranger
[22:33:31] <_methods> hahah
[22:33:38] <PetefromTn_> asking me about it and telling me about how he had one way back when
[22:33:45] <_methods> drive a fiero, have random conversations with people
[22:33:51] <PetefromTn_> pretty much
[22:34:58] <_methods> wasn't the fiero mid engine?
[22:35:01] <Sync> it doesn't seem like too much of a shitty car
[22:35:02] <Sync> it was
[22:35:14] <_methods> cause it's not even on the wiki list of mids
[22:35:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah mid engine
[22:35:17] <_methods> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-engine_design
[22:35:31] <PetefromTn_> I had a lot of fun driving mine
[22:35:36] <PetefromTn_> had three of them
[22:35:53] <_methods> lol
[22:35:59] <_methods> fiero got left out
[22:36:51] <PetefromTn_> if I could find another clean one for a decent price I would buy one
[22:37:25] <PetefromTn_> but freaking SSI had got me looking at 300ZX' s now so that may not happen
[22:37:34] <PetefromTn_> I like those too
[22:37:37] <_methods> yeah 300z is cool
[22:37:42] <PetefromTn_> and I like the miata as well
[22:37:47] <_methods> much cooler than fiero and gayata
[22:37:49] <PetefromTn_> especially modified ones
[22:37:58] <PetefromTn_> I disagree
[22:38:08] <_methods> its GAY
[22:38:15] <_methods> heheh
[22:38:26] <PetefromTn_> I like the 300z mostly because it is a 2+2 if you want
[22:38:35] <_methods> 300z is cool though
[22:38:38] <PetefromTn_> and it is a rather sleek looking car to begin with that has tee tops
[22:38:57] <_methods> your other car choices are however questionable at best
[22:38:59] <_methods> hahahah
[22:38:59] <PetefromTn_> and the place I am working can help me build it to be quite fast if I want to...
[22:39:22] <PetefromTn_> So glad you are the measure of what is and is not cool tho thanks ;)
[22:39:48] <_methods> hahah
[22:39:56] <_methods> i'm just bustin your ballz
[22:40:07] <PetefromTn_> now I know where to come to determine if the thing I want to get is cool or not
[22:40:19] <PetefromTn_> when in doubt just check with methods
[22:40:26] <_methods> i do consulting for GQ also lol
[22:40:28] <PetefromTn_> I mean shit he knows all right!
[22:40:35] <PetefromTn_> well there you go
[22:40:47] <PetefromTn_> I would not do ANYTHING I see in GQ
[22:40:53] <_methods> hahah me either
[22:45:30] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/SspWcgE.jpg is this gay too? just checkin ;)
[22:45:49] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/2fpow9j.jpg
[22:46:15] <_methods> lol still gay zoolander
[22:46:32] <PetefromTn_> thats what I figured
[22:46:55] <PetefromTn_> LS powered Miata with custom everything and over 500hp....GAY check..
[22:47:11] <_methods> if you put a jet engine in there it'd still be gay
[22:47:24] <PetefromTn_> Oh absolutely
[22:48:00] <PetefromTn_> you do know that it is far and away the most popular vehicle for amateur road racing and things like that
[22:48:11] <_methods> i actually have no idea
[22:48:14] <PetefromTn_> one of the best handling cars ever made
[22:48:36] <PetefromTn_> almost a perfect handling balance right out of the box
[22:48:56] <PetefromTn_> just sayin' ;)
[22:49:09] <_methods> i'll have to take your word because i honestly have no idea
[22:49:26] <_methods> but it's still gay lol
[22:49:28] <_methods> hahahahha
[22:49:43] <_methods> :p
[22:49:44] <PetefromTn_> oh you don't have to take my word on it...
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[22:50:15] <PetefromTn_> but to be honest my wife thinks its gay too LOL
[22:50:25] <_methods> when i was in the army there was this guy in the barracks that had a miata
[22:50:32] <_methods> and we used to harass him endlessly
[22:50:41] <PetefromTn_> I am sure he appreciated that
[22:50:45] <_methods> and he had it all souped up and tricked out with 5 point harnesses
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[22:51:11] <PetefromTn_> there is a rather large Miata club contingent here that routinely runs the tail of the dragon
[22:51:22] <PetefromTn_> many of them have been repowered
[22:51:27] * Tom_itx puts Jymmm in charge of the AM wakeup pics
[22:51:47] <PetefromTn_> most have significant suspension mods and rollcages etc.
[22:51:54] <_methods> it's funny he would go on about how awesome that car was
[22:51:57] <_methods> yeah he had roll cages
[22:52:03] <PetefromTn_> they are quite fast thru the 318 turns in 11 miles
[22:52:08] <Tom_itx> did you see the vid of daddy dave rolling his nice chevy ii?
[22:52:21] <PetefromTn_> who is daddy dave?
[22:52:34] <Tom_itx> google it you know who he is
[22:52:47] <_methods> one day like 6 of us picked it up and carried it up a hill and left it there lol
[22:53:03] <PetefromTn_> oh you mean big chief
[22:53:09] <Tom_itx> no i don't
[22:53:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah that was a bad wreck
[22:53:43] <PetefromTn_> it rolled in the quarter like five times right?
[22:53:53] <Tom_itx> yeah at least
[22:54:54] <PetefromTn_> I know I have some wierd views of what is a cool vehicle
[22:55:14] <PetefromTn_> I remember one day I was driving to work in my Lifted Rock Crawler suzuki Samuria
[22:55:20] <Tom_itx> i always liked those chevy ii and the boxy nova
[22:55:21] <PetefromTn_> and this guy pulls up next to me in his car
[22:55:29] <PetefromTn_> and he rolls down his window
[22:55:36] <PetefromTn_> and yells to get my attention
[22:55:42] <PetefromTn_> I roll down my passenger window
[22:55:55] <PetefromTn_> he goes hey man did you know those things flip over all the time!!
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[22:56:07] <PetefromTn_> you must be fuckin' nutz to actually lift one
[22:56:17] <PetefromTn_> I laughed and smiled
[22:56:21] <PetefromTn_> and drove away
[22:56:32] <_methods> they make great rock crawlers dont' they?
[22:56:46] <PetefromTn_> they are pretty unbelievable when properly built
[22:56:58] <Tom_itx> i wish i could remember the name of that hill they all climb...
[22:57:00] <PetefromTn_> they suffer from a too short wheelbase a bit
[22:57:09] <Tom_itx> and fall...
[22:57:13] <PetefromTn_> but in tight spots here in TN and many other places
[22:57:25] <PetefromTn_> they are hard to beat
[22:57:30] <PetefromTn_> which is why now
[22:57:32] <PetefromTn_> a rusted out
[22:57:35] <PetefromTn_> beat up
[22:57:38] <PetefromTn_> piece of shit
[22:57:41] <PetefromTn_> samurai
[22:57:47] <PetefromTn_> can sell on craigslist
[22:57:51] <PetefromTn_> for like $5k
[22:58:20] <PetefromTn_> because unfortunately the word is out and people know now so everyone wants to build one
[22:58:35] <PetefromTn_> I have built like six of them now
[22:58:53] <Tom_itx> but did you build a lathe today??
[22:59:02] <PetefromTn_> my wife wants me to get another one so we can play in the snow again
[22:59:17] <PetefromTn_> no mr. project planner
[22:59:24] <PetefromTn_> I did not built a lathe today
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[23:02:06] <Tom_itx> you got all the parts now though don't you?
[23:02:15] <Tom_itx> except a VFD
[23:02:15] <PetefromTn_> no
[23:02:19] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately
[23:02:24] <PetefromTn_> I still need the VFD
[23:02:29] <PetefromTn_> and a ballscrew for the Z
[23:02:36] <PetefromTn_> and some misc odds and ends
[23:02:43] <PetefromTn_> like some DB25 cables
[23:02:57] <PetefromTn_> assorted wire and whatnot
[23:03:04] <PetefromTn_> but I do have MOST of it here now
[23:03:26] <PetefromTn_> Still need to finish the painting of the lathe body
[23:03:34] <PetefromTn_> and I can start installing the new stuff.
[23:04:34] <_methods> ugh that sounds like work
[23:05:07] <PetefromTn_> well it kinda is ;)
[23:05:45] <PetefromTn_> I got a bunch of rails to machine and was planning to do it tongiht but now apparently we have to go shopping for thanksgiving party food for my wife's work LOL
[23:06:41] <PetefromTn_> its taken me a good amount of time to be able to afford to buy all that stuff lemme tell ya
[23:08:53] <PetefromTn_> anyone else building anything?
[23:09:08] <Tom_itx> nope, i wish i was
[23:09:14] <PetefromTn_> _methods have you used your new Tig yet?
[23:09:24] <Tom_itx> just learning more SW & CATIA
[23:09:25] <_methods> no lol
[23:09:28] <_methods> still at shop
[23:09:34] <_methods> i'm gonna move it this wknd
[23:09:40] <PetefromTn_> ah ok
[23:09:41] <_methods> still need torch and foot pedal
[23:09:50] <_methods> i ordered the foot pedal
[23:09:59] <_methods> but i need to pick a torch
[23:10:16] <_methods> still tryin to make up my mind on the torch and cables
[23:10:19] <PetefromTn_> how much was the foot pedal
[23:10:22] <_methods> $240
[23:10:31] <PetefromTn_> ouchie
[23:10:34] <_methods> yeah
[23:10:41] <_methods> welding foot pedals are stupid
[23:10:55] <_methods> we just got a syncrowave footpedal and it was $500
[23:10:55] <PetefromTn_> its not like they are some sorta complex mechanism hehe
[23:11:12] <_methods> yeah i'm gonna take mine apart when i get it and figure out how to make my own
[23:11:19] <_methods> then sell them for $140 lol
[23:11:21] <Tom_itx> probably just a pot inside
[23:11:26] <Tom_itx> with a return spring
[23:11:29] <PetefromTn_> its just a rheostat
[23:11:34] <PetefromTn_> and a return spring LOL
[23:11:41] <PetefromTn_> I have had mine apart
[23:11:46] <_methods> yeah it's silly
[23:11:56] <PetefromTn_> its just a big huge empty steel box
[23:11:59] <Tom_itx> market some for half the price
[23:12:03] <_methods> i have no idea why a syncrowave foot pedal costs $500
[23:12:15] <PetefromTn_> because it says SYNCHROWAVE
[23:12:32] <_methods> i have an old one at work i need to take apart and reverse
[23:12:33] <JT-Shop> I better take care of mine now that I know they cost $500
[23:12:41] <_methods> yeah they're not cheap
[23:12:57] <_methods> start breaking into shops and stealing foot pedals
[23:13:08] <_methods> hmmm someone broke in but i don't think they took anything
[23:13:16] <_methods> ermahgerd all out foot pedals are gone
[23:13:21] <_methods> our
[23:13:27] <PetefromTn_> oh wait my pedals gone AAAAAAHHHHHHHH
[23:13:31] <_methods> hahahah
[23:14:08] <PetefromTn_> thats pretty much how I felt when I broke my footpedal LOL
[23:14:24] <Wolf_> guess I need to bolt my pedal down to the floor in the shop
[23:14:36] <_methods> the foot pedal bandit
[23:14:55] <PetefromTn_> I broke the plug on mine that goes into the machine once
[23:15:05] <PetefromTn_> I was pushing the machine around in the shop after a job
[23:15:12] <PetefromTn_> and the cables were lying on the floor
[23:15:17] <_methods> yeah those are some whacky plugs
[23:15:26] <PetefromTn_> so I accidentally stood on the cable while I pushed the machine
[23:15:26] <_methods> you got the 3 and 2 pin plugs?
[23:15:30] <Sync> I want one that is not so damn huge
[23:15:31] <PetefromTn_> and I hear a CRACK
[23:15:54] <PetefromTn_> and had to spend the next two days researching L-tec foot pedal plugs
[23:16:09] <_methods> yeah they're some obscure hubbel plugs
[23:16:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah I can't remember how many pins
[23:16:11] <Sync> I replaced mine with some series 3 milspec thing
[23:16:15] <Wolf_> I needed the plug for a spool gun on the miller 210, plug was made by amp, took me 3 days to find it
[23:16:28] <PetefromTn_> it is some sort of plastic barrel plug
[23:16:34] <_methods> they do that shit on purpose so you have to buy it from them
[23:16:35] <PetefromTn_> push and twist
[23:16:47] <_methods> they make proprietary plug designs
[23:16:50] <PetefromTn_> well it turns out it is actually a commercial plug so that is good
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[23:17:04] <_methods> yeah the one is a 3 pin push and twist
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[23:17:05] <PetefromTn_> I did not buy it from L-tec or whoever they are now
[23:17:16] <Sync> better than the flimsy shit that is on the chinese ones
[23:17:19] <_methods> hubbel makes the ltec plugs i believe
[23:17:20] <PetefromTn_> Oh well gotta head to the store...
[23:17:24] <Sync> replaced that with a hirschmann pretty quick :D
[23:17:28] <PetefromTn_> talk later
[23:17:32] <_methods> later zoolander
[23:17:37] <PetefromTn_> _methods MIATAS RULE!!!!
[23:17:41] <_methods> hahahah
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[23:19:45] <_methods> Sync: you have a chinese welder?
[23:19:49] <_methods> or just foot pedal
[23:20:09] <Sync> both
[23:20:46] <_methods> is it any good?
[23:20:52] <Sync> yes
[23:21:01] <_methods> which kind you have?
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[23:22:05] <Sync> hard to say, as they are all different
[23:22:15] <Sync> I think it shares a platform with this thing http://www.longevity-inc.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/700x700/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/t/i/tigweld-200sx-igbt-main-600x600.jpg
[23:22:57] <_methods> that pedal doesn't look too bad
[23:23:13] <Sync> I don't have one like that
[23:23:19] <_methods> oh
[23:23:21] <Sync> I have this sheet metal box with the thing on top
[23:24:20] <_methods> how much was it?
[23:24:53] <Sync> 250€ or something used
[23:25:27] <_methods> well that's not bad
[23:25:40] <_methods> that's about $400 i think
[23:25:59] <_methods> oh nm
[23:26:08] <_methods> i guess the euro isn't worth much anymore lol
[23:26:11] <_methods> $266
[23:26:13] <Sync> currently about 280$ or something
[23:26:14] <Sync> yeah
[23:27:07] <_methods> poor euro
[23:27:31] <_methods> did greece do that lol
[23:28:29] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: LOL
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